The 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

The 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were announced on Thursday, October 8th. The induction ceremony will be back in New York in April. Here are the 15 nominees.



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Nice list this year. It would be hard for me to pick which one will be inducted.

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 02:02am


Los Lobos are a nice surprise. Didn't see that coming.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 02:33am


Just some early thoughts on the 2016 Nominees:

Absolutely shocked how much the shakeup earlier in the summer really mattered for the 2016 nominations. All the acts' popularities began in 1970s (Spinners were at their peak popularity in the early/mid 1970s). I'm so very happy Chicago finally appeared on the ballot; they will easily take #1 on the fan vote and thus will probably be inducted this year.

Biggest Shocks:
-Chicago!!!!!! (Hell is freezing over at the Rock Hall and I'm happy)
-Heavy Emphasis on Classic Rock (Chicago, Cheap Trick, Deep Purple, Yes, The Cars, Steve Miller) especially compared to last year's batch of nominees
-No Singer-Songwriters
-No 1960s American Acts
-No British Invasion Acts
-No J. Gelis Band (Almost everyone pegged them to be nominated; I'm stunned by this omission. Maybe Stevie Van Zandt lobbied more for Cheap Trick)
-Surprising 1st-Timers (Chicago, Janet Jackson, The Cars, Steve Miller, Cheap Trick)
-Left-Field Picks (The JB's, Los Lobos)
-No 1st-Ballot Nominees (Smashing Pumpkins?)

2 Biggest Questions: Chaka Khan and Steve Miller
I wonder if Chaka Khan's nomination this year is for her solo work or does that also include her work with Rufus (who were nominated back in 2012)? This needs to clarified by the Rock Hall.

Also, the Rock Hall only lists Steve Miller and NOT the Steve Miller Band. If inducted, is it only Steve Miller and not the bandmates? This seems similar to Stevie Ray Vaughan's nomination last year: how can you induct him without Double Trouble? Steve Miller without his band doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm already calling who will be the top 5 fan votes this year: Chicago, Deep Purple, Yes, Janet Jackson, Nine Inch Nails. I think maybe Steve Miller or Cheap Trick might sneak into the top 5 here.

Also, just looking at the ballot, I don't like N.W.A.'s chances this year. This is such a classic rock heavy ballot that I'm afraid they might get lost in the shuffle. The same goes for Chic.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 02:48am


Well there it is the 2016 Rock Hall nominees! I got some early thoughts on the 2016 Nominees.
For one thing I got 5 right. I am sooo Glad I am right about Chicago. Also Deep Purple, Nine Inch Nails, N.W.A. and Yes. I am so very Glad Deep Purple and Yes are in. I'll predict the Inductees later on. I have a good idea but it's early.
You know what I am disappointed once again that there is No Moody Blues. Ok Philip, I think it was you among others that said 3 Prog acts was Unlikely. The Hall has taken Prog into account with Yes. Since Chris Squire passed it was a fair bet they would be nominated. I will say right off the bat that I predict Yes for Induction. I own a lot of Yes albums. They packed arenas in the 70s almost as Much as Zeppelin. I remember when that was happening.
I am so excited about Chicago being nominated. They were a key prediction also. I will predict them Right Now as an Inductee.

I also think Nine Inch Nails is a fair bet as an Inductee since they are the Only 90s act on the Ballot. I am not an NIN fan at all. I barely know any tunes. It's just that the Hall is slowly taking into account the 90s era. That's half the Class I predict right Now. Again it's early.

Besides the Moody Blues omission there is No J Geils Band. I am more shocked about that. The Moody Blues omission happens all the time even though I always Hope. The J Geils Band though is loved by Van Zant.

As for Chic. They are back once again. They were on my Back up. Zuzu you were right. You were dying to know. I had hoped they Rock Hall would give up. Janet Jackson was on my backup list. A no go on Journey or Bon Jovi. They were both on my Back up too.

There is really no 60s acts. The oldest acts here were popular in the 70s. I am aware that Chicago and Deep Purple formed in the 60s. They were not popular until the 70s. This does not mean that the Zombies, Monkees or Turtles never have a chance. Obviously not this year.

Some surprises for me are the Cars and Steve Miller. I never saw the Cars coming. I had Steve Miller on my list but took them off. I felt it wasn't his year. He was on my list(Steve Miller Band actually} because he was key in the 70s. I loved them a lot as a kid in the Mid 70s.

Totally out of Left field is the Jb's and Los Lobos. I would never ever think of those. Totally surprised on those. It happens every year. I will say that I like the Spinners quite a bit. They were on my list early on a couple months ago. I took them off during my Changes. Pleasantly surprised. A good older R&b choice. Chaka Khan is a decent R&B choice. My Sade choice fell flat. Hey Enig. You'll be on here soon enough. So sorry about Moody Blues Duran Duran ELO and Sade not on here. Hey Yes made it! That's it for Now. We will all chat for sure.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 05:16am


So they nominated Rufus with Chaka Khan in 2012, and now they are nominating Chaka Khan solo. What does this mean for Rufus in the future?

They nominated Steve Winwood in 2003, but wasn't inducted. Traffic is inducted in 2004.

Carole King was nominated as a performer in 1989, but was inducted in the non-performers category in 1990 with Gerry Goffin.

The Steve Miller Band is nominated as Steve Miller. Last year they nominated Stevie Ray Vaughan and then it was changed to Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 05:29am


Here is my predictions on what I think the Hall Of Fame Committee will pick

1. Janet Jackson
2. N.W.A.
3. Chic
4. Deep Purple
5. Yes
6. Nine Inch Nails


Here is My Favorite 6

1. The Cars
2. Steve Miller Band
3. Cheap Trick
4. Nine Inch Nails
5. Janet Jackson
6. Yes

Chicago is my 7th favorite on the list

Posted by Kyle on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 06:09am


LOVE this list! Thoughts soon.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 06:55am


All I can say it's about fricking time. 5 r&b artist - they really are pushing it. They need to start putting in some folk and country. Maybe they will come through with the Carter Family as early influence.

The picks are almost all 70s and 80s. I am disgusted with one entry but other than that I have to say this is the first time I am happy with a ballot. Ben, I was so hoping you were right about Chic. I am so sick with having them shoved down our throats.

I am happy about Steve Miller. I didn't expect him on there for another couple of years. Steve Miller and Steve Miller Band were used interchangeably so I think there is a good chance that his band will be added.

I love Chaka Khan but I am disappointed about Rufus since I think that Hawk Wolinski is also deserves being inducted. They are right that Chaka has a better chance on her own. It is possible but I don't think they will add Rufus.

Cheap Trick being put on the ballot with Chicago is a back handed slap in the face to Chicago. They should have done the decent thing and held off at least till next year.

If Chaka and Chicago gets in maybe They will do Take Me Back to Chicago. Chaka was on the studio version.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 07:34am


Chicago is at # 1 in the official Rock Hall Fan Poll!!! AND IT WILL STAY THAT WAY!!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 07:35am




Chicago is at # 1 in the official Rock Hall Fan Poll!!! AND IT WILL STAY THAT WAY!!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 07:35am


You tell them Roy.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 07:52am


Look at that Chicago made it to the Nominee list. It is well Known that they were one of the Best selling American groups of the 70s. Lots of albums lots of Hits. I am disappointed in my Boys Moody Blues but Chicago is fine enough for Now. They were a key Prediction of mine.

I probably will not predict 3 Prog artists at one time again. It probably was pushing to ask for that. I'll go for one a year. Strong chance for Yes. Enig you're out there somewhere. Next year I will predict more R&B since the Hall pushes that.

So I am confident Chicago will be Inducted. If they are their tunes can likely be 25 or 6 to 4 and Take Me Back to Chicago.

I think you are right Zuzu. They will add the band to Steve Miller like they did last year with Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble. I also agree about Chaka Khan. Chaka has a better chance on her Own. Chaka Khan was more popular on her own. So does she count as a 70s artist or 80s? 80s right?

Cheap Trick is a New Wavish choice. That type of music has been avoided quite a bit.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 08:27am


I said it before, and I'll say it again, aside from a monster future inductee like Pearl Jam, The Cars have the best chance of ANYONE of being inducted. There's nobody else on the snubbed list that hits the sweet spot between classic rock favorites, critical support and artist respect that The Cars happens to do and I'll be downright flabbergasted if they somehow come up short.

It's going to be a big classic rock inductee class...I see The Spinners, Chaka Khan and Janet all falling short along with idiosyncratic nominees like The Smiths (unfortunately), Los Lobos and The J.B.'s. By process of elimination, you're basicaly left with Chic, N.W.A. and NIN up against a hell of a lot of classic rock acts with a good chance at being inducted.

I'd wager right now that five of the six inductees will be from the classic rock group of The Cars, Chicago, Steve Miller, Yes, Cheap Trick and Deep Purple. Chic and NIN will come up a little short while N.W.A. benefits from not having similar competition and becoming the sixth inductee. Gun to my head, I'd say Deep Purple is the one that misses out from the classic rock list once again. The influence is there, but not the catalog of hits that the others seem to have.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 08:50am


4 of the nominees are from Chicago or have a Chicago connection.

Of course Chicago

Chaka Khan is a Southside girl

Steve Miller was born in WI and raised in TX but he did spend time in the Chicago Blues community to learn

Cheap Trick is from Rockford and one of the band did spend time in the Chicago Blues community

Ben I don't think she was more popular but just more well known on her own with the younger crowd. Rufus was 70s. Chaka solo was 80s. Trivia: Peter Cetera and Chaka Khan did a duet called Feels like Heaven. They were on Arsenio together.

Cheap Trick, Deep Purple, Yes and The Cars have passed up Janet and Steve Miller is closing in on her.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 08:55am


I miss the video the hall did a couple years ago to announce the nominees. I thought it was really cool. I was hoping they would bring that back.
For those who don't remember/didn't see it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPNMp5_vhd0

Posted by Ry Guy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 08:55am


Also I think I know what happened to Singer/Songwriters this year. There is still fans on the Committee but I think this genre was indirectly affected by the Nom Com change. A lot of those artists are from the 70s. As far as I know it was the Oldest ones let go. Now Follow this. I am sure that Genre will return Next Year perhaps. You see following the Change new guys Tom Morello and Quest Love got more power and influence. Morello I am sure supported Deep Purple. Quest Love with Chic Janet Jackson perhaps, NWA. Then of course the older guys like Wenner and Van Zant along with the other older ones went for Cheap Trick Chicago Jbs and Steve Miller. Just be clear Van Zant probably didn't pick Chicago. Other older Guys.

What happened is because of all those picks and others like the Cars Los Lobos and The Smiths there just wasn't room for A singer/Songwriter. So no picks for Carly Simon Gordon Lightfoot or Harry Nilsson. I am sure next year or thereafter they will get a pick. Tell me what you guys think.

Hey Chicago made it that's Cool! Thumbs Up to Yes.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 08:58am


Casper,

Don't underestimate Chicago and under no circumstances would I consider The Cars a monster. I would consider them 2nd or maybe 3rd tier. They just have support on the Nom Com and with some vocal people.

I wouldn't rule out Chaka just yet. The Cubbies are a bit distracted right now and were probably up all night celebrating. Wait until the post season ends to see what happens with her numbers. Also take a look at the number of artist she has worked with.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:14am


Looks like my Baba Booey / Meg Griffin interpretation was correct, 3 of the 5 Baba Booey mentioned (Chicago, Cheap Trick, NWA) are on. I was also correct in Todd Rundgren, New York Dolls, and Warren Zevon not being on based on the conversation.

Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:18am


Who I'd like to see get in:

The Cars
Chic
Deep Purple
Janet Jackson
Steve Miller
N.W.A.

Who I expect to get in:

Cheap Trick
Chicago
Janet Jackson
Steve Miller
N.W.A.
Nine Inch Nails

Posted by Ian on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:20am


Ben,

The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominating Committee had switched the venue from Los Angeles to New York. That was quite a surprise. From this list of nominees, I will be easily voting for: Yes, Deep Purple, Chicago, The Cars and Steve Miller.

I am very disappointed that neither The Moody Blues, or the Electric Light Orchestra, or Duran Duran, or Sade, or Carly Simon were even nominated. I do sincerely appreciate your support of those artists, however.

Who do I think will be inducted?

Nine inch Nails
Yes
Chicago
Steve Miller
The Cars
Chaka Khan


I am surprised to

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:24am


I absolutely LOVE this ballot.

I honestly think this is one of the most interesting (and best) ballots that the Hall has put out in a long time. They basically broke the mold of what many of us have stated the nominees ballot are every year.

With the exception of Los Lobos (talk about a left-field pick), N.W.A., Janet Jackson, the Smiths, and Nine Inch Nails, this list is virtually dominated by "classic rock" and classic R&B." And Janet Jackson.

So many traditional spots for nominees on the Hall were left closed this year.

As Tom Lane alluded, there is no solo singer-songwriter, nor really a blues act (though the Steve Miller Band is borderline blues-rock, especially in their early days).

Also, there was no newly eligible nominee (I was stunned to not see the Smashing Pumpkins, or anyone newly eligible for that matter). I think this if the first class since the 2011 class that didn't feature a newly eligible artist get a nomination. Very surprising.

On the rock side, whereas last year was dominated by alternative rock, this year's is dominated by classic rock.

Chicago, Janet Jackson, the Cars, and the Steve Miller Band are such welcome first time nominees, and with the exception of Janet Jackson, I didn't see any of them coming. I know some here were hoping for Chicago to make the ballot and were putting it over like a real possibility, but I just didn't believe it. Congrats and kudos to Zuzu and Ben, and Roy for believing in Chicago.


I'm also ecstatic to see Deep Purple and Yes return to the ballot.


As for Chaka Khan, I'm happy to see her as well. I ultimately predicted Rufus w/ Chaka Khan, but I did bring up the possibility that they might go with Chaka as a solo artist instead to put more full-fledged female representation on the ballot, plus Chaka was a bigger star on her own than with Rufus. So I'm not surprised they went that route.

Apparently I was wrong on Depeche Mode, as I thought that article in Rolling Stone Magazine would be enough to get them on the ballot, but apparently not. Maybe someone did bring them up, but the Committee decided to go with other artists.


I don't think a single person here predicted the J.B.'s (the one nominee I don't agree with) nor Los Lobos. Those were two left-field picks. I usually say almost every year there's a nominee that fits outside the rock and R&B spectrum. Usually a blues, country, jazz artist, or an artist from another genre. I guess Los Lobos fits that spot.


I just did my first vote (won't be my last for sure), and ultimately I voted for Chicago, Deep Purple, Janet Jackson, N.W.A., and Yes (the Spinners would be my 6th choice).


As to how this group of nominees are gonna go and who ends up getting the official nod, I think it's tough to say. The Hall likes to have a diverse group usually, but they very well may have shot themselves in the foot on that, as they have such a strong field of "classic rock" inductees, that realistically, this class of 6 inductees could very well be the 6 classic rock nominees themselves. I could easily see a class of Chicago, Deep Purple, The Cars, Cheap Trick, yes, and the Steve Miller Band. Maybe that's the idea. To have one class that's "classic-rock" centered and that will make a huge dent in the backlog all in one shot, so they can move on to more current forms of music in the future?

Ultimately, I don't think that will happen. I think Janet Jackson and N.W.A. are shoe-ins at this point. Janet is such an iconic superstar that everyone in any form of music knows and that will more than likely get the votes. Even the older baby-boom era voters will probably vote for her. N.W.A., I also feel will finally get over the hump and make it in. That leaves four more spots. Chaka Khan does have a pretty good amount of critical respect as well as respect from artists in the industry, so I could see her making it. Nine Inch Nails, I actually think might possibly get passed over this year in favor of all the older rock bands. Sure there's really no other alt-rock or 90's rock bands in their way (NIN will crush the Smiths when it comes to the voters, right or wrong), but they've got so many 70's bands in their way, I could see them slipping by again. But then again, maybe not. The 70's bands could receive so many votes that they could cancel some of each other out.

Between Deep Purple, Yes, Chicago, the Cars, Cheap Trick, and the Steve Miller Band, I think that Deep Purple and Cheap Trick probably stand the best chances of induction. All of the more recent younger hard rock inductees of the last 7-8 years are gonna probably all vote for Cheap Trick, and Deep Purple both most likely for their influence on hard rock. I'd say the next two are probably the Cars and Yes, as the Cars also had an influence on younger rock artists, and Yes has become pretty beloved as well. I think Steve Miller comes across as "flat" and won't garner the support compared to other classic rock acts. As for Chicago, they were the most successful of all the bands in this group, but are your Tom Morello's and Dave Grohl's gonna look at their soft rock, sappy 80's period and pass on them? That very well could happen? Then again, I thought that very thing would keep them from getting nominated, and sure enough here they are.

I think one other key thing in regards to the classic rock groups is the fan ballot. It's gonna be a battle that's for sure, as you've got some serious fan favorites among these groups. And every year thus far, whichever band has won the fan ballot has been inducted. I don't see that tradition changing, so if Chicago can hold onto the lead they have now, then they'll pretty much automatically be guaranteed to be inducted.

Los Lobos, the J.B.'s, the Smiths, and the Spinners, to me stand almost no chance in getting induction, especially the first two. The Spinners could slide past everyone as a good old fashioned vocal group which usually get in.


Ultimately, for right now, I'll predict the following 6 artists will be inducted....

The Cars
Cheap Trick
Chicago
Deep Purple
Janet Jackson
N.W.A.


If I had the sole power to decide the class, I would go with


Chicago
Deep Purple
Janet Jackson
N.W.A.
The Spinners
Yes

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:25am


Ben,

The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominating Committee had switched the venue from Los Angeles to New York. That was quite a surprise. From this list of nominees, I will be easily voting for: Yes, Deep Purple, Chicago, The Cars and Steve Miller.

I am very disappointed that neither The Moody Blues, or the Electric Light Orchestra, or Duran Duran, or Sade, or Carly Simon were even nominated. I do sincerely appreciate your support of those artists, however.

Who do I think will be inducted?

Nine inch Nails
Yes
Chicago
Steve Miller
The Cars
Chaka Khan


I am most surprised to see Los Lobos on this list and just who are the J.B.'s.?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:28am


I guess you could say Chicago takes the singer-songwriter spot!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:44am


Janet Jackson has shot up to second place on the fan ballot, right behind Chicago.


Looks like Mike has the troopers in battle this morning, lol.

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:45am


What a list!

If they somehow got Chicago, Deep Purple, Yes, & The Cars all in in one fell swoop - a LOT of longstanding snubs would be cured and many rock and roll purists would be off their case.

The Smiths, the Spinners, Cheap Trick, Steve Miller (BAND), Janet Jackson, N.W.A., & Chic would all be fine choices as well.

I can see the J.B.'s getting the "Musical Excellence" award this year.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:46am


Shame no Joe Cocker given his recent passing.

Just Steve Miller? Not the whole band?

Chic again. Just get it over with.

No one from before the sixties.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:47am


Forgot to mention

Los Lobos? Aren't they only remembered for their cover of La Bamba?

Good to see majority classic rock.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:49am


I'd be all for the J.B.'s getting the "Musical Excellence" award, as that's exactly what they should get. They definitely deserve recognition. Just not as a "Performer" inductee. That's probably what will end up happening. Good call Steve.

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:51am


More comments:

NWA is likely due to the film

Cheap Trick would finally get a true power pop band in

The Smiths should get in because of Morrissey's diagnosis

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:52am


My personal five winners from this list"

Yes
Deep Purple
Chicago
Cars
Steve Miller

Unfortunately with the success of "Straight Outta Compton", N.W.A. will most likely get inducted. I keep stressing that rap should have its own Hall of Fame and not interfere with this one. Leave this one for the artists that have been around 30-40+ years.

Posted by danny on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:53am


Donnie, she is at the top again. The Jackson family must have hired more pros. Are her numbers going down here?

I'm not worried about it. There is a long way to go. They won't be able to keep up.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:08am


Here's my annual rundown of the nominees, with info on how long they've been eligible and what number nomination this is for them. A number of the nominees have been eligible for some time- especially The Spinners.

* The Cars: 13th year of eligibility; first nomination
* Chaka Khan: 13th year of eligibility; first nomination*
* Cheap Trick: 14th year of eligibility; first nomination
* Chic: 14th year of eligibility; 10th nomination
* Chicago: 22nd year of eligibility; first nomination
* Deep Purple: 23rd year of eligibility; third nomination
* The J.B.'s: 21st year of eligibility; first nomination
* Janet Jackson: Ninth year of eligibility; first nomination
* Los Lobos: 13th year of eligibility; first nomination
* N.W.A: Fourth year of eligibility; fourth nomination
* Nine Inch Nails: Second year of eligibility; second nomination
* The Smiths: Eighth year of eligibility; second nomination
* The Spinners: 30th year of eligibility; third nomination
* Steve Miller: 23rd year of eligibility; first nomination
* Yes: 22nd year of eligibility; second nomination

*Rufus & Chaka Khan has been eligible since 1999, and received its first and only (to date) nomination in 2012, its

Posted by JR on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:10am


Donnie,

Thanks for the kudos about Chicago. I could feel the pressure building up over the last few years. RR let them show up as #5 on a weekend poll. Somebody recently put up videos of Peter playing the bass again and videos of him singing some of the 70s Chicago songs. I wonder if that's any indication of what they might play at the induction ceremony.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:15am


7AM here on the West Coast, and I wake up from a sleep riddled with dreams of the nominees being announced, and they're loaded with acts I've never heard of, or barely heard of. Fortunately, that's not the case here.

First off, Enig, if you don't know who the J.B.'s are, that's on you. Do your effin' homework and realize there's more to rock'n'roll than prog. But by all means, DO connect the dots on this ballot and tell us how every nominee on here is indeed connected to prog, art rock, or Rush in a significant way.

I'd be happier with Chicago's nomination if it didn't mean having to listen to Roy's Illuminati Conspiracy Theory for the next four damn months. And the fact that the Cubs are doing this well this year really isn't helping either. Maybe after Chicago gets in, Roy can make a career switch toward predicting the apocalypse: zombie, Zombies, or otherwise.

And yeah, this is classic rock heavy. And so will the inductees. When you've got inductees like Alex Liefson swear they'll only vote for artists who fit the myopic rockist "classic rock" definition, it's gonna perpetuate itself. It's not intentionally racist, it's just the White acts who are there are gonna vote for the acts who inspired and influenced them, which will most likely be other (White) guitar acts, and will be the case forever on forth.

In fact, other than the J.B.'s getting the Award For Musical Excellence induction (which they will, that was my first thought when I saw their names on the ballot), this class will probably be all White acts. Maybe N.W.A. or Janet Jackson can punch through, and maybe the NomCom will tamper with the votes to put Chic in, because shut up, that's why. But the Spinners are just going to be left out again, dammit. Chaka Khan? Not happening. Especially not against Janet.

And Los Lobos? I thought Roy Trakin was one of the people let go from the NomCom. How the hell did they get nominated?

Deep Purple will need 8 nominations to get in. With Chicago, the Cars and Cheap Trick, not only is this year's ballot brought to you by the letter "C", but the three of them could keep Deep Purple buried for another year or two. Hopefully, the same fate will befall Yes. Nine Inch Nails and the Smiths are wild cards at this point and could both work to undermine the classic rock cult's stranglehold on the ballot this year. Steve Miller right now is just a question mark with the whole missing band bit.

Here we go again.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:23am


I was hoping for a special committee inducting all the neglected backing groups, but instead I get another neglected backing group.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:25am


Chicago's drummer, Danny Seraphine, and David Hawk Wolinski of Rufus and Chaka Khan wrote Street Player for the 1978 Rufus and Chaka Khan Street Player album. Chicago recorded their version of Street Player a year later on Chicago 13. Rufus and Chaka Khan also appeared on a few Chicago albums. It sucks that Seraphine and Wolinski won't be reuniting at the Rock Hall induction ceremony. It also seems a little fishy that Chicago and Chaka Khan are on the same ballot and Rufus is left off after being nominated in 2012 as Rufus with Chaka Khan. Chaka Khan also had a hit single with Peter Cetera in 1992 - Feels Like Heaven, from Peter Cetera's World Falling Down album. There was also a music video for the song.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:27am


Wow. What a slate of nominees. The first draft of my thoughts:

CHICAGO!!!! Other people on this board feel the way I do, but as a long-suffering fan who has attended 9 of their concerts, its just a great thing to have happen. Wasn't sure it would. This might be the only circumstance that could trigger a brief reunion on stage with Peter Cetera and Danny Seraphine.

And lots of other acts the Nom Com has ignored for years. Really odd that The Cars and Cheap Trick both appear on the ballot at the same time. For Classic Rock enthusiasts this ballot is a dream come true- but it will never be enough. Even if we get a Class of 2016 that consists of Chicago, Cheap Trick, The Cars, Steve Miller, Deep Purple, and Yes, people will still complain, unfortunately. Where's ELO? Where's Tull? You just can't make some people happy.

For all of its Classic Rock mojo, this ballot does right by artists in the R&B branch of rock and roll's family tree. 6 African-American artists, and one Hispanic artist. Yet, only 3 female artists: Janet Jackson, Chaka Khan, and the Chic vocalists.

And speaking of-- congrats to #InductJanet. You ran a classy campaign that didn't berate the Hall for ignoring your favorite artist. You sought celebrity help, made persuasive arguments, and got the grassroots motivated. Nice work.

On my list of Top 100 snubs, 13 of them are on this list (everybody but JBs and Los Lobos). In fact, four are in my Top 15 snubs, and 11 (!) are in my top 30.

I reserve the right to change my mind, but in voting, I'd probably go for: Chicago, Janet, The Spinners, Yes, and Steve Miller Band.

I'd predict tentatively that Chicago, Janet, Yes, NWA, NIN, and Cheap Trick would get in.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:34am


Roy, Are you sure about who wrote Street Player? I thought it was Danny and Hawk.

Chaka has moved up to the #3 spot.

How long will it be before somebody passes 1 million votes?

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:46am


That's what I said: Danny Seraphine and David Hawk Wolinski wrote Street Player. Wolinski was a member of Rufus, but not an original member.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:49am


Ok. It's later in the day. I have decided who I am predicting for the 2016 Rock N'Roll Hall of Fame. It is a very interesting Ballot. I do agree that it can easily be all Classic Rock. Ultimately, I also don't think that will Happen. I thought it over carefully. Janet Jackson could be a Shoe in. Her Brother Michael was a more sure thing when he went in but I can see it for sure. She was one of my Back ups. However Perhaps NWA are skipped over to still keep in mind the Classic Back log. Chaka Khan I agree has a great amount of Critical respect. She is somewhat mellower than the others. Since there is no actual Singer/Songwriter The Hall could easily go with her. I'm also agreeing that Nine Inch Nails may be passed over again this year in favor of Older Rock bands. They are the only 90s band but they have so many 70s bands in their way.

We need to get Chic off the Ballots. The only way they are out is they get Inducted. That's going to Hurt. No Pain No Gain. You like that. So I'm going with Half Classic Rock and Half R&B. This will make up for a lack of R&B in my Nominee predictions. A key thing with the Classic Rock is the Fan base. A lot of these groups have big Fn Bases.
So here are my Predictions for the 2016 Rock N'Roll Hall of Fame.

The Cars
Chic
Chicago
Janet Jackson
Chaka Khan
Yes

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:54am


The only R&B-related nominee that has a chance is Janet Jackson. The RRHOF took all of the Rock-related acts that the fans have been complaining about for years, and put them ALL on the ballot in the SAME YEAR. That move just may shut out ALL the R&B acts.
The only reasons why NWA are back are because 1) their recent bioflick WAS A SUCCESS, AND 2) they need a Rap act.
Chaka Khan should NOT have garnered a second nomination without Rufus. Wonder who made the decision not to include them this time.
Glad the Spinners are back, but I doubt that they'll make it in this year.Too many popular Rock acts.
In recent years, the Rock acts have been getting in , and the R&B acts are being shut out .With the possible exception of Janet, I expect more of the SAME this year.

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:04am


Roy, you also listed Chaka Khan, which is what I was questioning.


Peter Cetera and Steve Miller are both on Amos Galpin's Rock N' Roll Recidivist.

Amos Galpin wrote Big Mistake which Peter Cetera recorded and made a video of.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:21am


All I can say for now is....HOLY CRAP!

This is a classic rock fan's dream ballot for sure. I underestimated how different the shakeup in the NomCom would be. But hey, I'm happy that so many underlooked bands from the 70s and 80s that made a difference are finally on the ballot. There's just too many to mention, and I could write a book about it. I'm sure Eddie Trunk and several die-hard classic rockers are jumping for joy at the moment, even though the 'heavier' acts aren't listed.

This will be the last 'Heinz 57' catchup ballot for awhile when several first-balloters could eventually get in the next few years (PJ, Alanis, Radiohead, Beck, etc). So they better make this one well-worthy. And I'm sure they will. What better way to do it than put a bunch of 70s/80s acts, right?

Which brings me to my next observation: no 50s, 60s acts (not counting the ones that started their careers in the late 60s like Steve Miller and Chicago). I usually b**** and moan about that, but the 70s were an important decade in rock too. I can't say that I am surprised about any of them, except maybe Los Lobos. Not really sure as far as influence (hey guys, remember Sir Douglas Quintet?), but I say give them a go.

Its gonna be difficult predicting this one, as I believe this list can't be pared down to six! (The JBs can be a back-door act for all I care) N.W.A. and Janet Jackson are sure to make it. Gotta keep in mind about the headliners and the $10,000 tables and such. I'm sure all the voters will put Chicago in, and who can blame them? It'll be no surprise for me.

Here's to the next two months of predicting, as I know it will be very, very interesting.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:22am


They should just put Chic in for "Musical Excellence" and be done with it. It's obvious that they want them in. It's also obvious that the voters will never put them in. It's probably the ONLY way they'll ever GET in.

Chic is simply NOT a group that people think of as being Legendary. The Marvelettes, yes. The Whispers, yes. The Spinners, yes. But not Chic.
Sorry that Gladys, Wanda, Juanita,Georgeanna, and Kathy, The Marvelettes, didn't get a nomination this year. THEY deserve to get in. I hope that the 3 surviving members, Kathy, Wanda, and Juanita live long enough to see it happen.

Only Henry Famborough of the Original Spinners is left alive. Unless they also decide to induct G.C.Cameron and John Edwards, (which they SHOULD DO) I'm afraid that Henry will be taking the stage alone.
I hope that The Spinners get in while AT LEAST HE'S alive.
But it won't happen THIS year.

Bobby Byrd has the potential to possibly be a 3- time inductee. He's already in with The Famous Flames,is nominated this year with The J.B.'s, and also has a page on this site as a solo artist. But he is best known as the founder of The Flames, and as the man who discovered James Brown, so his place in Rock Hall History is already secure.

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:23am


FRL fans & regulars

I had Los Lobos that should be worth 50 pts. Good morning for Zuzu with Chicago and his Chicago area & adjacent bands. This ballot really strong Classic rock. Man, this is a pretty ballot. My dead vs. live artist thing I brought up a few weeks agois interesting. None of the dead signer-songwriters Croce,Nilsson,Zevon made the list or Joe Cocker or Ben E. King.
It's a real commercial and headlining type ballot. Groups like Chicago & Deep Purple sold over 100 million albums and The Cars & Janet Jackson had thereshare of platinum albums. Enig's prog and prog adjacent ballot crashed and burned but YES made
it though. Could see 12 of these artistsinducted.( My be tsguesst bindest) KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:26am


I have a theory why Chic will get inducted in 2016: They will not finish in the fan ballot (as they have in recent years). I doubt anyone will argue The JB's and Los Lobos will finish in the bottom two of the fan ballot. Thus Chic will not finish dead-last, that dramatically increases their chances for an induction; because the Rock Hall can now see there is at least some fan support (no matter how minimal it might be). Plus Chic is long deserving and should be inducted to make way for newer nominees. After all, this is Chic's 10th (!) nomination.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:28am


I have a theory why Chic will get inducted in 2016: They will not finish last in the fan ballot (as they have in recent years). I doubt anyone will argue The JB's and Los Lobos will finish in the bottom two of the fan ballot. Thus Chic will not finish dead-last, that dramatically increases their chances for an induction; because the Rock Hall can now see there is at least some fan support (no matter how minimal it might be). Plus Chic is long deserving and should be inducted to make way for newer nominees. After all, this is Chic's 10th (!) nomination.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:31am


Los Lobos has a new album out and its currently at #153 on this week's chart. Yeah I know, it had nothing to do with the nomination. I just happened to read the Nominees article on Billboard, that's how I know ;)

Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:37am


THE 2016 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES WHEN VOTING FOR SENIORITY

01. The Spinners
02. Deep Purple
03. Yes
04. Steve Miller
05. Chicago
06. The J.B.'s

THE 2016 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES WHEN VOTING FOR THE MOST RECENT ACTS

01. Nine Inch Nails
02. N.W.A
03. The Smiths
04. Janet Jackson
05. Chic
06. The Cars

THE REST: IN ORDER OF SENIORITY

01. Chaka Khan
02. Los Lobos
03. Cheap Trick

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:42am


King,

Congratulations on the Los Lobos pick. You know I am happy about my boys.


Zuzu is a Polish variant on a common girl's name. Didn't you ever see It's a Wonderful Life? I know the baseball thing threw you off, but us Sox ladies do understand the game.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:50am


Roy, you also listed Chaka Khan, which is what I was questioning.

Peter Cetera and Steve Miller are both on Amos Galpin's Rock N' Roll Recidivist.

Amos Galpin wrote Big Mistake which Peter Cetera recorded and made a video of.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:21am

I'll be more clear:

I wrote, David Hawk Wolinski "of" Rufus and Chaka Khan, wrote Street Player with Danny Seraphine.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:51am


Chaka Khan sang backup vocals on "Take Me Back to Chicago" which appeared on "Chicago XI" the last album with founding guitarist Terry Kath.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 12:08pm


Chaka Khan sang backup vocals on "Take Me Back to Chicago" which appeared on "Chicago XI" the last album with founding guitarist Terry Kath.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 12:08pm


Roy, I get you now. You were referring to the group and not the person. Thanks for clarifying.


Los Lobos isn't the only possible Latino or Hispanic that could be inducted this year. Laudir de Oliveira is a Brazilian and could possibly be inducted with Chicago.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 12:21pm


Chicago is # 1 in the Rock Hall poll!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 12:48pm


Steve Miller - should be elected if only for lyrics like big ole' Jed had a line-up, tick tock tick do do doo-doo and made up words like pompatus

Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 13:08pm


One of the fun things about this day, year after year, is bashing the Nom Com for boneheaded choices. I can't do that this year. I would not be upset if any of these 15 get in. This is one of the best ballots I've seen in years. I do have my preferences, of course, but all are worthy. Quick rundown and then my ballot and then my prediction:

The Cars: YES YES YES YES!! I have been a diehard backer of The Cars getting inducted since I started following this thing. Recall several days ago when I posted my Top 10 snubs, The Cars were there. Didn't really expect this either, which makes me all the more happy. If any of you don't see why The Cars are a Hall of Fame act, ask me and I would be happy to discuss it in detail.

Chaka Khan: I know of her, of course, but I have to say I am probably least familiar with her work out of all of these nominees.

Cheap Trick: I've never been a huge fan, but definitely worthy and a Greatest Hits worth of power pop classics.

Chic: Poor Chic. Mercy. Uncle. Look Rockhall, go ahead and cook the books and get them in already.

Chicago: Has Roy exploded? What is the over under for how many times Roy will check the Fan Poll totals over the next few months? They are worthy, but I won't be voting for them.

Deep Purple: Definitely need to be in there. Along with Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Ozzy Osbourne (solo)...metal is grossly underrepresented in the Hall.

The JB's: I agree with others who have said to go ahead and get them in with another category.

Janet Jackson: Glad to see her finally nominated, and I think she has a great chance of getting in.

Los Lobos: This took everyone (including me) by surprise. Did not see this coming at all. Don't think they will get in this time around, this seems more of a "the honor is the nomination" type of thing. Many people just remember their "La Bamba" cover hit, but this is a great, great band with a deep, rewarding catalogue. Do yourself a favor, if you have never listened to it, go grab a copy of their album KIKO. It is genius.

NWA: I agree with others who say this year is probably their best shot because of the film. Still not sure they'll get in, though. Would be a fun ceremony if they did.

NIN: This is an artist whom I dislike but also agree deserves induction. Won't be voting for Reznor, but I am OK with him getting inducted.

The Smiths: With this crowded ballot, I don't see them getting in, unfortunately. Man they deserve it, though. Like with metal, the 80's has a huge backlog that needs to get in. The Cure, Joy Division/New Order, Duran Duran, Replacements, Sonic Youth, Depeche Mode, Pixies...so many.

The Spinners: Love them. Don't have a chance this year.

Steve Miller: OK, first of all, love that he's nominated. Another one who is associated with some radio hits but actually has a deep, rich catalogue. As for the Steve Miller BAND issue. I don't really know the answer here, because I am not that familiar with the personnel over the years in the Band. (Roy, get on that.) It was so egregious last year with Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble (so bad they fixed it) because his band was a stable line-up that was with him his entire career (well, Wynans joined after the first two records). But has Miller's Band been a rotating door of musicians, or was it stable with the same guys playing with him for years? That would be crucial for me to know before I got upset about it.

Yes: Recall from my Top 10 snubs list, Yes was #1. Any time you have the arguably most important band from a major genre of rock and roll not in the Hall, that is on its face absurd.

My Votes:
The Cars
Yes
The Smiths
Steve Miller
Los Lobos

My Predictions:
Janet Jackson
Deep Purple
The Cars
Yes
Chicago
NWA

I bet they slip JB's in another category, which is fine.

Man, this is hard to really predict. I am shooting in the dark with my predictions.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 13:46pm


One thing I enjoy every year is reading the OMG I'M MAD posts by "fans" on the Hall's FB page. They never get it. They cry and complain every single year, and yet they come back. Why? Even when a band they like gets a nod, they have to complain about other acts they don't like.

They absolutely lose their minds regardless, and it's rather entertaining.

Posted by dmg on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 13:57pm


Funny. Read the Chicago bio on the Rockhall site and there is no mention of the 80's at all.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 14:06pm


Difficult year, but I have voted for the following five artists on the Rolling Stone website:

Chic
Deep Purple
Janet Jackson
N.W.A
The Smiths

Yes and Nine Inch Nails were close.

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 14:40pm


I just want to say that if it were up to me it would be all Classic Rock. Not just half. It can easily be The Cars, Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller and Yes. That can easily happen but not likely. There is the Quest Love influence and the Hall's general desire for some Diversity. So that is why Go with Half Classic Rock and Half R&B.

Sadly Chic keep being nominated. I had hoped for the Musical Excellence thing for them but the Hall insists. So I deduce that maybe finally they will. Chaka Khan Is highly respected and Janet Jackson is such a Huge Superstar that everyone knows her.

So I go with The Cars, Chicago and Yes for the Classic Rock. I know someone criticized me for too many White acts. So I redeem that this way by picking 3 African American acts. This has happened before several times.

I say that Inductees will be Classic but not simply Classic Rock. The only one that's unfortunate is Chic. I wanted to be wrong so bad about them. Yet here they are again. So Now I take the other extreme that the Hall will finally take care of this.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 15:29pm


I actually find this to be one of the most boring ballots of all time...a lot of mid-tier classic rock and R&B acts that I could care less for coupled with a nice surprise like The Smiths that have no shot at really getting in. Of those that actually can be inducted, Chic/N.W.A./Nine Inch Nails are all incredibly deserving, but I'm also not much of a fan of any of those artists although I will cop to having that "Chic and related productions" box set from a few years back and I certainly love it.

What would get me excited? More key 80's indie and new wave artists (Depeche Mode, Pixies, Sonic Youth, etc.) More overlooked Motown artists (Marvelettes, Mary Wells). More ignored singer-songwriters (Zevon, Nilsson, Nick Drake, etc.) And especially, not giving short shrift to incredible 90's artists like Smashing Pumpkins and it's truly shameful that they didn't make it onto this ballot.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 16:35pm


While it's great that this classic rock backlog will likely be dealt with (I see at least four of those six nominees getting in, regardless), it could potentially totally backfire in the Hall's faces. Imagine if Janet Jackson or Chaka Khan make it in while acts like Deep Purple and Yes don't...you'll never hear an end to the grumbling from the rockists out there.

It's not impossible that a lot of those votes cancel each other out and an artist with a nice niche like Janet, N.W.A. or The Smiths make it in over them.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 16:38pm


Cheap Trick - always seemed like a borderline candidate to me, still do

Steve Miller - several rock classic and millions sold without having an image whatsoever, I'd be ok with him going in

The J.B.'s - come on, admit it, you had to look them up too

Yes - my answer...Yes!

The Cars - about time. Too many good songs to ignore.

Janet Jackson - ugh, if Madonna is in, then they've broken the seal on whatever that genre is, so it's hard to argue against her although I would have preferred Tina Turner or Whitney Houston here

Chicago - and with this, the most egregious non-nominee ever is corrected, I'll let Roy provide the details

The Smiths - I'm glad they've settled on the Smiths as the 80's alt band nominee and not the much speculated Sonic Youth. Love the Smiths, would love to see the shunning of the ceremony shenanigans as well.

N.W.A - whatever

Chic - stop it. Find some way to get Niles Rodgers in on his own and forget Chic, 99 percent of the public has

Nine Inch Nails - will be surprised if they don't go in this year with little direct competition for their genre

The Spinners - I like me some Spinners.

Deep Purple - get them in already, should have been in over a decade ago now

Los Lobos - babababala bamba, awesome, ummmm no

Chaka Khan - chaka khan let me rock ya let me rock ya chaka khan. ummmm no

Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 17:10pm


KING - Great guess on Los Lobos (yeah, you deserve bonus points). It'll be interesting to see how they fare considering how well respected they are by their peers.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 17:28pm


Seen two of these nominees live (I'm trying to see as many RRHOFers live as I can, and I'm up to almost 35). I saw NIN a decade ago as I've always liked him. Chicago I saw back in July when they were with Earth, Wind & Fire. I almost saw Cheap Trick at the Illinois State Fair five years ago, but their set was cancelled due to rain. Blondie opened for them. Janet Jackson's coming to my city at the end of the month, so I hope I can still get tix to see her live before (I believe) her eventual induction.

Who's seen any of these bands live and how were they?

Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 18:05pm


Casper,

The correct term is rocker which has been in use since the 70s. Fusion and genre jumpers are ok. The problem is artist in other genres that had nothing to do with rock. Janet is a problem, but Chaka Khan is a different story. She has recorded in several genres and not just r&b. she has worked with: Eric Clapton - Chicago - Tom Jones - Robert Palmer - Joni Mitchell - Rod Stewart - Peter Cetera - Stephen Bishop - Prince - Bruce Hornsby - Steve Winwood - Blood, Sweat & Tears.

I have said it before and I will say it again Janet has no rock cred and Chaka does. Chaka was in high demand for her vocals. She was considered the best. What's Janet known for - dancing?

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 18:35pm


Good list. Sadly, two of the really deserving ones (NIN and The Smiths) have no chance of induction. By the way, you old time rock fans got a favorable ballot. Happy now?

I actually wonder if this will backfire on the Hall. For example: Deep Purple vs Yes. Two giants of the 70s, both way overdue. The voters could be not at a consensus on which one to vote for, meaning that they split the vote and neither gets in. Same with Chic vs Janet Jackson. The five that I'd vote for:

The Smiths
Chic
Deep Purple
Yes
NWA (I'd to have the genius Trent Reznor get this, but we have to sell tickets)

Who I think will get in:

Janet Jackson or Chic (can't decide which yet)
NWA
The Cars
Yes
Chicago

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 18:42pm


I'm a little miffed at the lack of modern representation, I feel like the voters won't want to vote for acts like Nine Inch Nails or NWA because their peers are there. It's a shame because while Chicago is deserving, I feel like Nine Inch Nails and NWA are even more so.

This has me a little scared for some other 90s big names like The Smashing Pumpkins, Tupac, Beck, Rage Against the Machine (despite Morello being on the committee), Wu-Tang Clan, Weezer, Biggie, Oasis, OutKast, Daft Punk, and maybe even Jay-Z. Basically acts that aren't no-brainers like Pearl Jam, Radiohead, or the Foo Fighters. Don't even get me started on the 2000s, acts like Gorillaz, The Strokes, LCD Soundsystem, Arcade Fire and the Arctic Monkeys don't seem as sure as they once were.

Basically I think while we are finally getting acts like Chicago, Cheap Trick, and The Cars some recognition, it's probably at the cost of never being able to see Soundgarden or Jane's Addiction in. Also I dislike how Steve Miller is listed as a solo artist but maybe that can change.

Posted by dank on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 18:50pm


http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/entertainment/rock-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-feat/index.html

Janet Jackson, N.W.A., Los Lobos among Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 18:50pm


http://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/music/n-w-nine-inch-nails-among-rock-roll-hall-fame-n440771

N.W.A., Nine Inch Nails Among Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 18:51pm


http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6722021/janet-jackson-nine-inch-nails-nwa-2016-rock-hall-of-fame

Janet Jackson, Nine Inch Nails, N.W.A Nominated for 2016 Rock Hall of Fame

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 18:58pm


"Sadly, two of the really deserving ones (NIN and The Smiths) have no chance of induction." -Sam

Another way it could play out is that they both have a much clearer path to induction on this ballot while the heroes of classic rock are splitting votes.

I don't think that the VoteComm is going to be tripping over themselves to induct an all rockist approved class.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 19:09pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbh_SQIuh8Y

Greg Harris on USA TODAY - VIDEO

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 19:16pm


http://ultimateclassicrock.com/2016-rock-hall-nominees/?trackback=tsmclip

Analyzing the 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 19:30pm


http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/rock-hall-nominees-janet-jackson-nwa-chicaco-chic-1.3262231

Janet Jackson, N.W.A., Chicago among Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees

Disco-funk band Chic lands 10th nod, setting record for nominations without induction

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 19:34pm


Janet is now in the #1 spot.

top 5

Janet Jackson
Chicago
The Cars
Yes
Deep Purple

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 19:40pm


The photo for the Cars on the Rock Hall site got changed. I should make them change the Chicago photo. Every other band got an up-close photo of their faces except for Chicago and J.B.'s.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 19:48pm


Roy,

Did you notice that Jimmy and Bobby are up front and Lea and Walt are in the middle. Terry, Peter and Danny are all the way in the back, the three that are not current members. At least it is a picture of the original band members. On the hand it isn't one of the best pictures I have seen of the band.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 20:01pm


No Zuzu, "rockist" was the right term to use... it refers to people whose definition of rock 'n' roll is the extremely narrow version that demands full bands that are predominantly guitar-driven. It's just plain wrong. That's only a part of what rock'n'roll is. The music of Janet Jackson is also part of it. Get used to it.

"Another way it could play out is that they both have a much clearer path to induction on this ballot while the heroes of classic rock are splitting votes.

I don't think that the VoteComm is going to be tripping over themselves to induct an all rockist approved class."--DarinRG

Disagree. Aside from NWA (and the JBs getting the AME side-door induction), it'll be five classic rock acts. And contrary to what Tom Lane, Chicago fits in very comfortably with classic rock formats, provided you don't play anything after 1975. Alex Leifson has promised to go straight rockist, pretty sure the members of Metallica will too, and I can't imagine the members of Nirvana and Green Day being any different. Joan Jett might try for a woman or two, but her bandmates? Classic rock. Unless we can get classes that are more than half Black again, this is what's gonna happen every year. Chic will probably be the last non-rap Black act inducted into the Rock Hall for a very long time.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 20:24pm


THE SMITHS
Nominated last year but not inducted despite Morrissey's diagnosis. The Hall has a spotty history with alternative. Green Day was only a headliner.

CHIC
Nominated what thirteen times now? Just get it over with so more worthy musicians can get nominated.

STEVE MILLER
I hope they alter the ballot to change it to Steve Miller Band like what they did with Stevie Ray Vaughan. You can't just have Steve, you need the whole band.

NWA
A shoe-in due to the film. They're almost obligated to induct them. The film was the reason they even got nominated.

DEEP PURPLE
From what I understand a member of the classic lineup died several years ago due to a long terminal illness. The best they could do would be to include him. I still think Space Truckin' sounds like Enter Sandman.

CHEAP TRICK
The Hall does not have a pure power pop group. Because of their association with Top Gun, they have the eighties revival on their side.

THE CARS
They already have Talking Heads and the Police.

YES
Definitive seventies progressive rock band, but they have little to go on.

THE SPINNERS
I do not know who they are.

THE JB'S
I do not know who they are.

CHAKA KHAN
I do not know who she is.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 20:37pm


CHICAGO
They are a good jazz-rock band. That is all I can say.

NINE INCH NAILS
My sister used to love them. That's all I know.

JANET JACKSON
Could be the headliner, although NWA will probably fill that position. Should've been inducted after Michael died.

LOS LOBOS
They had two hits, both of which were Ritchie Valens covers. They're not remembered for much.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 20:40pm


I want this to be the year of Classic Rock with Chicago The Cars Cheap Trick Deep Purple Yes and Steve Miller all inducted with NWA as a backup due to the success of their flim I want this to happen so it would open the door to 80s rock bands like Bon Jovi and Def Leppard to follow in the next few years as much as I love Janet Jackson and her music if she wins the fan vote over these Classic Rock Bands I am gonna be pissed shes more of a pop/R&B artist(not a rock artist) and her induction would only open the door for other female pop/R&B artists like Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey to follow in her path and getting inducted in the next few years

Posted by richie on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 20:50pm


Philip,

Janet Jackson is not rock and roll. Neither is disco. Disco was being used to supplant r&r. Rock and roll and r&b evolved out of the blues. There is some fusion with the two genres over the years but they are separate genres. Remember it is the blues that brings us all together. There is also fusion with folk and country. This does not mean all r&b, folk and country artist did rock fusion. I think it should be pointed out that Elvis said he learned from Blues artists and not r&b artist.

Again rockist is the wrong term. The correct term is rocker. From what I can see, rockist is a derogatory term thought up by r&b enthusiast.

Are you familiar with these post 75 Chicago songs? I would suggest listening to the live version to get the true feel of the song.

Little Miss Lovin
Mississippi Delta City Blues
Take Me Back to Chicago

I would also suggest listening to Peter Cetera Limelight done live by Chicago

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 20:59pm


Janet Jackson IS rock and roll. The rhythmic structures of her songs are closer to the original rhythmic structures of old school rock 'n' roll. Y'know, since music genres are defined by their RHYTHMIC STRUCTURES and not by their lead instruments. But hey, I'm just stating the obvious. And disco is rock and roll too, even in the rockist sense. I'll put the guitar solo from Donna Summer's "Hot Stuff" against the guitar solo from pretty much any Cheap Trick song (nothing against Cheap Trick either, they are rock 'n' roll too). R&B is part of rock'n'roll. Disco is part of rock'n'roll. Metal is part of rock'n'roll. Rock'n'roll ain't noise pollution, and it isn't just guitars wailing either.

And rockist is the right term, BECAUSE it's derogatory for myopic people who think guitar is all that matters in rock'n'roll. The ignorant knuckle-draggers, like Gene Simmons.

And yes, I do know post-75 Chicago songs: You're The Inspiration, If You Leave Me Now, Stay The Night, etc. Honestly, those are to Chicago what "You Don't Bring Me Flowers" was for Neil Diamond: the reason it took so long to get their names on the ballot in the first place. Fwiw, You're The Inspiration had potential to be a blue-eyed soul classic. If a group like Boyz II Men were to cover it with their Motownphilly style, they could do serious improvement to it. The point is: those songs aren't the ones people think of when you say "post-'75 Chicago"... it's the sap. And it dominated and tarnished their image.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 21:34pm


"Again rockist is the wrong term."

"Rockist" is exactly the word that several of us intended to use. Philip explained it pretty well. This site used to be a nice refuge from the rockist mentality that pollutes blogs and comment sections all over the internet. Not so much this year.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 21:53pm


After Chicago .... The Steve Miller Band is the second best selling artist on the nominees list. And for that reason I think Miller along with Chicago are locks for induction.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 21:59pm


Philip,

No she isn't and no what she did was not closer to early r&r. I believe you are confusing r&b for r&r.

Disco and Donna Summer are not r&r. We had that trash shoved down our throats. We puked it up. I saw and heard the following myself and I was more than old enough to understand what they were doing. The talking heads on tv were saying well it looks like rock and roll is dead and disco is here to stay. That is what the were all saying - disco was here to kill rock. We were getting it instead of rock whether we wanted it or not. So no - under no circumstances is disco rock and roll. It is gangbanger music and none of the gangbanger music is rock and roll. Disco sucks came about because idiots in the music industry decided to turn rock stations into disco stations.
Saying any gangbanger music was rock and roll is like saying r&r is blues and that the two never separated.

And all the boo hooing coming from disco artist. They were the ones that started it. I don't exactly consider Cheap Trick a stellar example but where do you get that disco has better guitar playing from. Disco was especially know for it's lack of guitar playing. And speaking of Donna Summer were you aware that she tried to push a disco record off as a rock record?

I am offended as a rocker and no I do not think guitar is the only thing that makes rock - rock. Do not confuse rock with party hardy rock and metal. A rocker likes soft rock and hard rock and rock that is in between. Go back and look at what you wrote - you are using the term as a put down.

Those songs are still post 75. What is wrong with If You Leave Me Now? It is a soft rock song with folk elements. Some of the things Jimmy wrote were worse.

Just for the record - you may not like Chicago's 80 style of rock but there are plenty of people who do. For the record what do you think the Who and the Stones sounded like to those of us that were teens on the 70s? 80s Chicago influenced metal prog and according to Who Sampled, several r&b artist sampled 80's Chicago. Part of the problem is it's hard to find live videos. You can not grade Chicago on the studio version. That is why I suggested Living in the Limelight. The studio version is ok but the live version really rocks.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:15pm


Disco and Janet are much closer to early r&r than acts like Megadeth or REO Speedwagon. R&B and R&R were so strongly intertwined that for awhile, the terms WERE synonymous. Doo-wop IS rock'n'roll. Just as sure as rockabilly, soul, surf, and Chuck Berry.

"The talking heads on tv were saying well it looks like rock and roll is dead and disco is here to stay."--Zuzu

Yes, because if a person on TV said it, it MUST be true. You just can't argue with ironclad logic like that.

"We were getting it instead of rock whether we wanted it or not. So no - under no circumstances is disco rock and roll."-Zuzu

You were getting rock'n'roll, just a different flavor.

"It is gangbanger music and none of the gangbanger music is rock and roll."--Zuzu some more

That is either incredibly racist, or incredibly ironic considering another term for "gangbanger" is PUNK, but either way, it is incredibly stupid.

The blues were always part of rock'n'roll, thriving in the RHYTHM section. Again, a genre is defined by RHYTHMIC structures

Disco had guitars in it... they just weren't the lead instruments. So if r&r isn't just guitars wailing, it must be okay if guitars are not the lead instrument, right? And Donna was right to push her disco records and rock records, because it's part of rock'n'roll.

You're right. I am using the term as a put down. Stop and think about that.

I have no problem with "If You Leave Me Now" personally. The point is, the Hall is not all that favorable in its regard to soft rock: Bread, the Carpenters, Air Supply, the Association, the Vogues... none of whom have even been Considered. I'd even suspect the power ballads of Heart were why it took so long for them to be considered either. Can't prove that, of course, but it's not entirely unfounded as a theory.

Metal prog was largely dead by the '80s, only to be replaced by thrash and hair metal. And I'm sorry, but if a band can't sound good on the record, that should be held against them. It's important for an act to sound awesome both on their recordings AND live. If you don't sound good on the record, you've got no reason to see them live; if they don't sound good live, then there's a stronger chance that it's the production effects that made the song and not the talent of the band.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:45pm


...

gangbanger music?

......

Posted by DC on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:46pm


DarinRG,

As somebody that lived through the 70s I understand exactly what is meant by the term. It refers to those who recognize the split between rock and disco. It is intentionally meant as a put down for the wrong reasons and it is therefore offensive and derogatory.

It is thinking that erroneously supports that r&r developed out of r&b. r&r along with r&b developed out of the blues

Gangbanger music is not rock and roll. Soul, funk, rock, blues, country and folk had a lot of fusion. Disco created a gap. This is why many do not accept hip hop and rap. I have some fusion with rock but a lot of it isn't.

If the hall wanted to include non-rock artist who were only an influence. I would have been alright with it if they had created a separate category. I came across a blog. The guy made a list of who he thought were the greatest rock songwriters. He included LZ and Michael Jackson. The first is on their 8th lawsuit and from what I have read there is between 20 and 30 songs that is stolen material and the second is the first time I heard referred to as a rock artist. Yet the blogger insisted that Johnny Cash was not rock despite several people trying to correct him.

With Janet Jackson I have problems with her beyond r&r designation. I have several people I Know that were molested as children and I realize how hard it is to prove. I am disgusted with behavior of the whole family in what I believe is a cover up of what happened. The only thing I see Janet Jackson has going for her is dancing. I also see her as a female version of her brother and therefore not innovative.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:48pm


What's with all the proud displays of racism? Most rockists at least try to hide it.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:53pm


I will have a lot to say about the past 24 hours. In an ironic twist of fate, these past three days involved me needing to replace my iPhone 6 due to a bad antenna; then having my car be totaled the next day due to accidentally bumping the back of a small school bus; I will not get into the details, just to say I and my family are fine and my family and I purchased a new Toyota today. Incidentally, this has kept me from finding the time to present my ballot for this week's Album and Song Project elections. This will be different next week; I am NOT missing the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project election for anything.

Even with all that, there are more important matters of this world to be concerned about,

Lax32

Posted by Lax32 on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:56pm


But in all seriousness, I LOVE that you're going on about a term being offensive while then turning on a dime and flipping off the "gangbangers."

"Then I see your true colors shining through..."

God I miss how this site used to feel.

Posted by DC on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:57pm


R & B is part of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame....get used to it! Look at all of the 50s doo wop and 60s Motown groups that were already inducted, sometimes back to the earliest classes from the late 80s. Janet is just a continuation along that line. As someone else mentioned, I thought this site was a bit of a haven from the rockist mentality that shows up all too often, but maybe not any more.

Overall a good ballot, but a little too "classic rock" leaning from the 70s. I was hoping for more 80s alt noms, but that sadly always gets the short end of the stick. Mildly surprised the Pumpkins were left off, but maybe they come on next year with Pearl Jam. Perhaps Billy has ticked off too many lately.

My predictions:
N.W.A.
Janet
Deep Purple
Cheap Trick
Nine Inch Nails
Chicago

The 6 I want in:
The Smiths (even though the Moz will never show up....not sure about Marr)
N.W.A.
Nine Inch Nails
Deep Purple
The Cars
The Spinners

Posted by Boar on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 23:09pm


Philip,

Disco separated from rock and roll - so no she is not rock or rock and roll.

The split between r&r and r&b started in the early 60s and disco created a huge rift. NO IT WAS NOT ROCK AND ROLL of a different flavor and Donna Summer was not I repeat not playing on rock stations.

The term rockist is racist and is therefore derogatory. Gangbangers had nothing to do with punk - it was a term used to define somebody who was in a gang. They were the ones that were into disco. This was in contrast to heads who were the partiers who listened to pardy hardy rock and metal. You are wrong to use the term - think about that.

The hall has a problem with not only those you mentioned but also with the rock crooners from the late 50s and early 60s. They are also remiss with putting in a lot of folk and country artist. Not all r&b, folk and country artist should be considered. This is the problem with going so heavy on r & b and neglecting folk and country - people begin to think that r&b and r&r are interchangeable terms. They aren't. When I went to the record store they were two different sections. Oldies refers to r&r while dusties refers to r&b. These were played on different stations.

Peter Cetera referred to playing the chitlin circuit with the band he was in before Chicago. Marty Grebb mentions that they would listen to WVON. WVON was not the rock station it was the r&b station.

Bread actually had some very good music and David Gates had a pretty good voice. I find it interesting that Elton John is given a pass and he did a Disney song. Paul McCartney, Rod Stewart and Phil Collins are given a pass. Why? Almost every style of music has a hard side and a soft side.

If you are going to have no boundaries then why are so few folk artist included? Every style of music came out of folk. They developed certain characteristics and was defined as another category of music. How many rock artist are in the Blues Hall of Fame? I think it is only 2 - Eric Clapton and one other I can't remember. Do rock artist get BET awards? DownBeat magazine lists only two rock artist on their all time bass player list - Peter Cetera and another I can't remember.

What you describe is like neapolitan ice-cream. Sliced it tastes good with variations. What you want is it all melted together and it does not look and taste as good.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 23:43pm




What's with all the proud displays of racism? Most rockists at least try to hide it.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:53pm


So you are trying to turn it around to hide your own bigotry. Are you also part of the cheese wiz factory which are also bigots that put down certain cultural elements.



But in all seriousness, I LOVE that you're going on about a term being offensive while then turning on a dime and flipping off the "gangbangers."

"Then I see your true colors shining through..."

God I miss how this site used to feel.

Posted by DC on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:57pm


What you are defining isn't bigotry and jumping to conclusions? Perhaps the true colors you actually see are your own reflection.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 23:58pm


Huh?

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 00:08am


It is only your opinion that disco separated from rock'n'roll. Disco evolved largely out of soul music. With a more solid backbeat, a more ROCKIN' beat, disco became the powerhouse it was. It is most definitely a part of rock and roll. R&R stayed paired tightly with R&B through the British Invasion (remember, when the British acts first came over, they were playing blues and R&B records when they started. The Rolling Stones maintained a bluesy sound for a large part of their career and did songs that were at home in the discos such as "Miss You" and "Undercover Of The Night." Fusion, not separation.

And early rock'n'roll crooners? Are you perchance referring to throwaway teen idols such as Tommy Sands? Because they've already inducted Ricky Nelson and Gene Pitney, two artists from that period that did a bit of crooning, but also did a fair amount of not-so-soft (for their times) rockers. Because I'm fairly certain you're not talking about soul singers or doo-wop.

Unfortunately, your logic is backwards.... "rockist" IS derogatory, but it's not racist. And certainly not as racist as "gangbangers", who by the way were NOT associated with disco music or discotheques.... too many witnesses for starters.

Folk and country have not been ignored... Bob Dylan and the Byrds, Johnny Cash, and Brenda Lee, etc. And there's really not much objection (at least on this site) if the Hall inducted the Kingston Trio, Joan Baez, Peter Paul And Mary, Willie Nelson, Patsy Cline, Emmylou Harris, etc. So, your accusations of hypocrisy on our part fall hilariously flat.

Those artists DID have a soft side, but they have a hard side as well. Bread had "Let Your Love Go" and "Mother Freedom"... but beyond that, not much of a hard side. The Carpenters didn't have much of a "hard" side, pretty much relegated to "Calling Occupants Of Interplanetary Craft" as their hardest song.

Interesting anecdote about your record store... did they also have separate drinking fountains? I kid... music stores today still separate based on race, only they call them "pop" and "urban." Seriously though, you're confusing marketing with actual musicology. That's a very serious mistake to make because it utterly destroys your argument from under you, and because it's an extremely easy one to make, you've gotta be aware of it.

And it's not so much Neapolitan, as it is like Ben & Jerry's core ice creams... who cares how it looks, and it tastes pretty awesome when it's melted. Actually, so is Neapolitan.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 00:15am


That's why you need to pay attention to Weird Al, Darin... he recorded a song in which he backmasks "Satan eats Cheez Wiz." Clearly evil

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 00:20am


Philip,

Nobody I knew considered disco r&r. Nobody I knew was into the Stones in the 70s. This ties into what I have been saying that the Brits were not doing so well in the 70s. I do not see Missing You as fusion - it is disco - it did not play on rock stations. Do You Think I'm Sexy was not considered fusion. You don't get it. The moment they thought turning a rock station into a disco station was a good idea all bets were off. Before that if you wanted to dance you played r&b and if you wanted listening music you went to rock. Gee I always thought disco developed out of funk not soul. Soul is smooth and funk is more staccato like disco. I wouldn't call what the Brits were doing the Blues. Listen to Muddy Waters sometime. The Brits don't have the vocals. Well maybe Tom Jones and Joe Cocker got the vocals.

There is a point of separation when a style is no longer a subcategory but large enough to be considered a separate entity. Something similar happened in rock too. Prog, Metal and punk were separated from rock. They were viewed more as derivatives.

For rock crooners I was thinking of Paul Anka and Bobby Vinton.

Gangbanger was somebody in a gang and they could be black, white or hispanic. I suppose they could be Asian too. The people in the gangs were the ones that were into disco. Are you thinking of the wealthy coke snorting club goers? That wasn't your typical person. You went to a bar with a dance floor and a jukebox that played disco music if you were an average person. A friend once took me to a Puerto Rican dance club with a band but that wasn't disco. The term heads was a drug term from a question do you have anything for the head meaning something to get high.

If the term rockist refers to only people that are white then it is racist. I sure don't see the term being used for people who object to folk or country.

There isn't much objection? I think you will find that there are comments under Patsy Cline, Kenny Rogers and Arlo Guthrie that contradicts that. As far as the Byrds go I suggest looking at the Old Town School of music. Roger McGuinn was not their star alumni. As far as folk and country how much discussion goes on here about it.

Philip, the problem is that you are trying to make this about race and not about music style. I was talking with this person on the bus once and they told me you notice most r&b bands are all black and most rock bands are all white but most blues bands are both. I realize that it can be hard to separate music style from race when so much of it is divided along racial lines.

I object to Janet Jackson for several reasons one of which is her brother the accused child molester and the way the family dealt with it. I also object to LZ in part because I think some of them should have been put in jail for rape. Also I object of their stealing of material from others and claiming it as their own work. You should read what Willie Dixon's daughter has to say about what they had to go through to get compensation because of statute of limitations. I object to Donna Summer and Chic. I do not object to Aretha Franklin, Tina Turner (I admit I do object to Ike), 5th Dimension or Chaka Khan.

I see an overload of certain eras of r&b and Motown artist. Not everybody should be in. At some point when you oversaturate, you are letting in mediocre artist and bypassing quality artist of another era or style. I also see this with British Invasion and late 60s California sound.

Maybe a better way to define it is: ice-cream, sherbert or frozen yogurt. I have had rainbow sherbert and I have had rainbow ice-cream. They each have defining differences that put them in a different category. There are boundaries. To a certain degree those boundaries evolve and change. The do not jump from one end to another. What is acceptable in one era is not necessarily acceptable in another.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 02:30am


Philip
How did you do on your picks? Had 7 nominees cut Chicago & Steve Miller. Could have 9. They brought Chic back for 10th time.
Love this ballot. I would vote for 1.The Spinners2.Chicago 3.Deep Purple 4.Chic 5.Janet Jackson 6. YES. Good to see SteveMiller on the ballot. They will find a way to get Chic inducted. Some late ballots like the military overseas ballots votes you see that mysteriously arrive late election time. Enig's prog groups were YES and I think. You could count Chicago & DeepPurple as Prog Adjacent. Over the moon my Los Lobos pick hit. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 04:51am


Philip
How did you do on your picks? Had 7 nominees cut Chicago & Steve Miller. Could have 9. They brought Chic back for 10th time.
Love this ballot. I would vote for 1.The Spinners2.Chicago 3.Deep Purple 4.Chic 5.Janet Jackson 6. YES. Good to see SteveMiller on the ballot. They will find a way to get Chic inducted. Some late ballots like the military overseas ballots votes you see that mysteriously arrive late election time. Enig's prog groups were YES and I think. You could count Chicago & DeepPurple as Prog Adjacent. Over the moon my Los Lobos pick hit. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 04:53am


So I want to talk about the Voting Body for the 2016 Rock Hall. How would Elton John vote for instance. He would vote for ones like Chicago and the Spinners perhaps. There is Older Inductees older than Him that can Vote. I seriously doubt the guys in Lovin Spoonful would Vote for Deep Purple. I know Steve Tyler or the Guys In GnR surely will Vote for Deep Purple but I don't think the guys in Steely Dan or Dr John would. Bill Withers would probably Vote for ones like Chaka Khan and the Spinners.

This will create diversity in the Inductee list. So I'll stay with Half Classic Rock and Half R&B.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 05:41am


I think if Chaka Khan is inducted, the Rock Hall will induct Rufus in the Musical Excellence category and Ashford and Simpson in the non-performers category the same year.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 06:08am


Ben,

Roy used to do this all the time. Decide what certain voters would vote for. I'd be careful doing that if you don't actually know the person. Because basically the assumption then is based on stereotyping, race, etc. I'm guilty too sometimes. In my own criticisms of the voting process, I've said a flaw is that Jerry Lee Lewis is asked to consider the importance of Kraftwerk or The Smiths. Although I seriously doubt it, perhaps Jerry Lee loves himself some Moz.

Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 06:12am


C

Cars
Chaka
Cheap
Chic
Chicago

S

Smith
Spinners
Steve

J

J.B.'s
Janet Jackson

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 07:04am


http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6722672/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-2016-nominees-cheap-trick-chicago-react

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2016 Nominees: Cheap Trick, Chicago & More React

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 07:54am


Chicago is # 1 in the Rock Hall and FRL polls!! And I only voted once!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 08:03am


I know it's VERY early but does it seem strange that last year Nine Inch Nails finished second in fan voting, yet as of this post they have fewer votes than The J.B.'s and are in fact dead last??

Posted by Greg on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 09:14am


Ah, Roy you never disappoint. Roy just posted:

C

Cars
Chaka
Cheap
Chic
Chicago

S

Smith
Spinners
Steve

J

J.B.'s
Janet Jackson

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 07:04am

So Roy, what could this possibly mean? What is the significance, and what does it portend for Chicago? And Enig, can you somehow connect Roy's analysis to Rush?

Posted by Dezmo meannd on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 09:39am


What the hell is going on with Nine Inch Nails in this year's fan ballot??? How could they end up in 2nd place in last year's ballot and dead last as of this writing? Maybe the classic rock acts are taking away votes from Nine Inch Nails but still I'm a little confused. Why aren't the Trent Renzor fans coming in droves in the likes of Chicago, Janet Jackson, Yes and The Cars?? I figured The JB's and Los Lobos would finish last. There goes my theory that they will be in the top 5 for the fan ballot the way things are going.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 10:43am


KING, I only got six sadly. Almost did include Janet, but I figured the campaign would need another year or two finally stir the NomCom into putting her name on the ballot. Chicago is a name we bandied about here on the forum, but it didn't ultimately seem plausible. Cheap Trick, Cars, JBs, Los Lobos, just plain didn't see coming, at least not until Little Steven was tweeting about Cheap Trick. Smiths I figured would be part of the pattern for post-punk acts so far, and the Spinners... I was just afraid to get my hopes up only to have them dashed again.

Dezmond, you're right about that, however, Gene Simmons and Alex Leifson have taken to social media in the past to express their classic-rock-only votes. We heard Hetfield's speech pushing for acts like Deep Purple. They've pretty much shown their hands in those instances.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 12:29pm


LAST YEAR'S FINAL TALLY!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 13:15pm


Actually...


C

Cars
Chaka
Cheap
Chic
Chicago

J

J.B.'s
Janet Jackson

N

Nine Nails
N.W.A

S

Smiths
Spinners
Steve

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 13:24pm


Zuzu,

Your point would be valid except "Missing You" and "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" play very popularly on classic rock radio, now. Not as popular as Zeppelin, maybe, but those songs are part of the catalog of classic rock stations. And quite frankly, it is MUCH more telling that tried-and-true rockers such as the Rolling Stones, Rod Stewart, the Kinks, Wings, Pink Floyd and even Springsteen were dabbling in danceable, disco-tinged songs. In other words, they were FUSING disco with their own established brand of rock. Maybe not long term, but they were doing it. I'm sorry that nobody YOU knew listened to the Stones in the '70s, but the fact remains that their singles and albums were still selling very well for most of the decade. And quite frankly, the Stones are a more authoritative figure on whether or not the Rolling Stones were rock'n'roll during those years than, say, you are.

I'm sorry you still don't get that "danceability" is not a disqualification for being considered "rock'n'roll." In fact, that flat out betrays the history of rock'n'roll. You can dance to Zeppelin, you can dance to prog. Even if it's just swaying, if it's holding the sign of the horns in the air and headbanging, if it's tapping your foot or air drumming/guitaring... it's an intentional movement elicited by the music. It may not be what is widely considered "dancing" as it is used commonly, but it all comes from the same place: movement brought on by the music. Ultimately, it's all the same.

Funk is part of soul. "Soul" is not JUST soft music. It can be upbeat, and it can be gritty. Take Stax/Volt music. Great soul music that gets flat-out nasty sometimes. Great stuff. But early disco, more to the point, came out of songs like "Rock Me Baby" by George McRae, widely considered the first disco record. That's not a really funky thing. Nor is "Bad Luck" by Harold Melvin And The Blue Notes, the song that holds the record for biggest hit of the disco charts. It's a smooth record with a very solid beat behind it.

The Brits were doing covers of Blues records. They were doing them with the traditional blues structure of A-A'-B and other various blues structures. And Blues is not simply in the vocals. I've heard Muddy Waters... not a fan personally, but I've heard him. Just because the Brits didn't sound exactly like him doesn't mean they weren't doing the blues, or even doing them justice.

Joe Cocker's got the vocals of a homeless person; or that broken down, dirty uncle your parents told you they invite to holiday dinners because he's family, but don't tell you that they invited him to also keep an eye on him to make sure he doesn't fall of the wagon during the holiday season. I hear Joe Cocker's voice and want to give him a dollar so he can buy a cup of coffee.

"Prog, Metal and punk were separated from rock." So you don't think Yes, Anthrax, or Ramones belong in the Hall either?

Bobby Vinton is not a rock'n'roller. He's a bandleader and traditional style singer, similar to Andy Williams and Steve Lawrence. The higher tone and timbre, plus the fact he recorded under the name "Bobby" instead of "Robert" to appeal to teenagers probably threw you, but he is not a rock'n'roller.

Paul Anka is just inferior-grade. Sure he wrote a lot of stuff, but he's plain awful. I'll take Bobby Rydell or Bobby Vee before Anka.

"Gangbanger was somebody in a gang and they could be black, white or hispanic. I suppose they could be Asian too."

Yes, and Eminem is a white rapper. Seriously, the problem with this all too common defense is that it willfully turns a blind eye to reality, choosing to embrace the strictly hypothetical. Yeah, you have your Latin gangs as well, but stop and think: who are primarily in gangs? No, I'm not confusing "gangbanger" at all. On the contrary, I'm pretty convinced now that you're the one who's confused as to what the term means, at least what it means today.

Rockist isn't racist: it points out the stupidity of people who think rock'n'roll is simply "minimum of two guitars and a drum set." The only reason it isn't being used against people who oppose folk and country is because folk and country acts haven't been getting nominated. If Willie Nelson or the Kingston Trio got nominated, the people who don't want their kind in the Hall would speak up and be called "rockist" too.

When I said "Not much objection", I was mainly referring to the regulars here. Those who contribute to the Rock Hall Revisited/Projected and Album and Song Projects. Again, not much discussion because those acts haven't been getting nominated to stimulate discussion.

You're the one who made it about race when you said "gangbanger."

If unimpeachable character was a requirement for a Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, there would be no Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, period. The sooner you drop that from your requirements list, the sooner you can be taken seriously.

Excessive saturation is another topic entirely.

And your rainbow ice cream analogy doesn't work because those boundaries cannot be cleanly determined by the common spoon. Also, all color works on a spectrum and slowly roll and bleed into each other. So it is with Rock And Roll. The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame is about recognizing not just the purists' definition of rock'n'roll, but all of its children and pieces of evolution. That includes rap, soul, disco, metal, prog, rockabilly, surf, grunge, doo-wop, etc. They are family, and they are appropriately housed together.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 13:33pm


You all hear that? That's the sound of a mic being dropped by Philip.

Posted by Greg on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 14:35pm


The top vote getter last year had 18 million votes. Chicago is on the verge of crossing 6 million in two days.

Posted by Greg on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 15:30pm


Dezmond,

I am glad somebody at least responded to that. Jerry Lee Lewis is one of the Oldest examples. I was simply saying that the old Inductees would more likely base their Votes on their Upbringing. In the Case of Elton John He could probably Vote for Chicago as well as Chaka Khan and Others like the Spinners. I remember he enjoyed Soul and particularly the Philly sound. I was simply saying its More likely Steve Tyler would Vote for Deep Purple than Lets say the Guys in Steely Dan who I know love Jazz Fusion and Jazz Rock. Anything is possible. Im just taking into account with who may be more likely. That's Why I go with Cars Chicago and Yes as the most likely. In fact I could see the Guys in the Grateful Dead as Voting for Yes. Even though The Yes sound is somewhat further away from what they do. Although Terrapin Station was kinda Prog.

I guess I was stereotyping but Not completely. I was simply about Votes for the various Nominees.
In any Case I figure based on the Voting Body and the Judges it would not just be All Classic Rock since lots and lots of Different Inductees Can Vote.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 15:31pm


Philip is here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and he's all out of bubblegum,

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 16:51pm


Chicago is the all-time best selling act and highest Billboard charting act on this year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot. It makes sense that they are number one in the official Rock and Roll Hall of Fame fan poll and the Future Rock Legends poll because this is Chicago!

The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Beach Boys, The Bee Gees, Chicago!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 16:54pm


"This will be the last 'Heinz 57' catchup ballot for awhile when several first-balloters could eventually get in the next few years (PJ, Alanis, Radiohead, Beck, etc)."

Pearl Jam and Radiohead, sure. Alanis Morissette? Influential but not innovative one-album wonder who subsequently released increasingly poorly-received copycat albums over time until she was forgotten. She was basically the Boston of the '90s and Boston haven't been considered yet (nor should they be until a lot of others are in). She probably has an edge since the Hall wants to have women on the ballot, but I think they would probably go for a bunch of others first (Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Kate Bush, Sheryl Crow, Tori Amos, Fiona Apple, possibly Liz Phair - also one album wonder but a much bigger critical smash, probably not P.J. Harvey due to lack of mainstream popularity)... And I don't think any of those had the mixture of popularity/critical acclaim to be first ballot. And Beck will get in but he's too offbeat to get in quickly if other acts that also fused many genres and were more popular and more critically acclaimed like the Beastie Boys didn't make it first-ballot either.

If Smashing Pumpkins didn't make the ballot I'm not seeing any first-ballot inductees besides Pearl Jam/Radiohead for a long time.

"Gun to my head, I'd say Deep Purple is the one that misses out from the classic rock list once again. The influence is there, but not the catalog of hits that the others seem to have."

That would be disappointing since they likely have more innovation/influence than any of the other classic rock acts except for maybe The Cars. But they already did miss against Rush and Heart, which was a surprise then.

And rockist a racist term? There are probably people who would support Living Colour or Tracy Chapman (actually I could easily see either of those sneaking in randomly/unexpectedly pretty soon like Los Lobos) who wouldn't support Eminem or whatever. Presumably most rockists would take that position. If they also opposed Living Colour/Tracy Chapman while supporting metal/folk rock acts of maybe a similar tier like The Cult/Suzanne Vega or whatever then and only then would the rockism become racism.

Posted by Sean on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 16:59pm


And I am referring to Alanis as a one-album wonder critically. I know she was still popular after that, but so was Boston, who is also a one-album wonder only critically but had other hit albums after that, so I think the point still stands.

Posted by Sean on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:00pm


As far as The NIN question, after poking around the internet a bit it seems that a large bulk of NIN and Smiths fans don't even know this is happening.

They'll likely pick up over the next few weeks.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:10pm


How is Cheap Trick polling at sub 1% when the rest of the classic rock acts are all at 15%? Everybody's just voting for the other five and ignoring them? That's what's blowing my mind more than NIN.

I'd say Steve Miller is probably the worst of the six classic rock acts (although Chicago's worst is way worse than any of the others' worst...) and I expected him to be trailing, relatively. Admittedly, he was more popular than Cheap Trick and Cheap Trick's critical peak (late '70s, when they were not popular) and commercial peak (late '80s, when they had kind of become a joke...I actually like "The Flame" but definitely think it sucks) coming at different times may be hurting them.

Posted by Sean on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:16pm


A Rockist's Wet Dream

THE 2016 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

01. Chicago
02. The Cars
03. Cheap Trick
04. Deep Purple
05. Yes
06. Steve Miller

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:19pm


I think the thing is that NIN/The Smiths fans don't care. Classic rock fans do.

Anyways actual predictions:
NWA/Nine Inch Nails (either/or unfortunately, even though they should both be no-brainers)
Janet Jackson (huge push for her to get in, and I don't think the voters would be too against if Madonna got in first-ballot)
Yes (Chris Squire's death gives them an edge over the other classic rock acts, not to say they will be the only)
Chicago (*sigh* fan vote, even though there are more deserving acts from that era, I guess it is the hall of FAME. Would prefer Deep Purple or Kraftwerk [even though they aren't nominated])
Cheap Trick (The Van Zandt endorsement will help them I think, at least they aren't the J.Geils Band)

Posted by dank on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:23pm


3 of the 15 nominees for the 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame are in the Top 10 on Future Rock Legends Most Votes list:

02. Janet Jackson
08. Deep Purple
10. Chicago

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:25pm


What are you talking about? Deep Purple is nominated.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:27pm


Yeah, that one is interesting, too. In general Cheap Trick seems to have a broader cross genre appeal than the other 70s nominees, so I'm surprised by the low vote total. It's clearly one demographic hitting the poll hard right away.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:28pm


"I think the thing is that NIN/The Smiths fans don't care. Classic rock fans do."

Pretty much.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:30pm


I was only referring to Kraftwerk there.

Posted by dank on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:37pm


Does anyone remember what year the Rock Hall start the fan poll? Was it 2010 for the 2011 induction, 2011 for the 2012 induction, 2012 for the 2013 induction? If you have images of the final vote tallies please post them.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 20:44pm


2013 ceremony, always remember that was the year Rush swept the fan ballot. Rush, Kiss and Stevie Ray Vaughan all finished first in the fan ballot and was inducted that year. If that trend continues, Chicago will have an even stronger chance getting inducted this year (they are currently #1 on the fan ballot).

Posted by Nick on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 20:55pm


2013 ceremony, always remember that was the year Rush swept the fan ballot. Rush (2013), Kiss (2014) and Stevie Ray Vaughan/Double Trouble (2015) all finished first in the fan ballot and was inducted those years. If that trend continues, Chicago will have an even stronger chance getting inducted this year (they are currently #1 on the fan ballot).

Posted by Nick on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 20:57pm


Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 20:59pm


Ok, now that the initial excitement is down, can we talk about how stupid it would be to induct Steve Miller without his "band?" Every single one of the albums, including the ones with their biggest or most memorable tracks are listed as "The Steve Miller Band." The only one that did not was 1988's "Born 2 B Blue."

Its not hard to pick the other band members. Hell, based on the amount of albums they've appeared on and which albums specifically (namely, the "bigger" albums hold a bit more weight,) these musicians are all worthy:

Lonnie Turner
Gary Mallaber
Norton Buffalo
Byron Allred
Gerald Johnson
Kenny Lee Lewis
Greg Douglass

Thoughts on this? Maybe if there's enough of an outcry, there can be a switch like last year with SRV & DT.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 21:06pm


Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 21:17pm


Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 21:56pm


It has been a little under 48 hours since the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee announced the 15 artists/bands that are up for induction for 2016. This does not include who will be honored as Non-Performers, Early Influences or the Award for Musical Excellence. Bear in mind it is possible like last year that the biggest headlining inductee could go in through the back door, if you will. Such is how Ringo Starr got inducted last year. Now, onto my focus on the nominees this year.

Well, I thought I was surprised with how the 2014 and 2015 classes turned out; considering some great artists finally got inducted. But I can honestly say I was not in the least prepared for this bunch of nominees! It will be amazing to see which 7 I think will be inducted. Now before I offer my opinion on these artists, what do I think about the recent shake ups the NomCom and the RRHOF itself has gone through?

I think we at Future Rock legends have a legitimate reason to believe we have greatly influenced the outcomes of the more recent induction classes, particularly since we started the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. One only needs to look at our most recent Revisited/Projected election, when Bill Withers and Lou Reed got inducted into our Hall of Fame a week after the 2015 nominations were announced; and in December both got inducted into the RRHOF! For the most part, we are not the industry nor the experts. What we are though are a collection of fans and amateur historians that truly are well versed in Rock and Roll and recorded music. What are our favorites become favorites of others new to understanding what good music is. We have thus been able to reach a wider audience through this website and frankly the NomCom has taken notice, even if they refuse to admit it.

I also think the RRHOF has come to realize that they cannot just limit themselves to Jann Wenner's personal record collection. It pleases me and others to see artists that years ago would never get to sniff the Hall have now entered their good graces; and yes I did feel a bit of personal validation when my constant badgering of the RRHOF to induct Peter Gabriel ended when Gabriel actually did go in. If anything, we have shifted from inducting artists in Jann Wenner's collection to those in the personal collections of the Houser Brothers (creators of Grand Theft Auto). Now that collection seems more interesting.

So, my look at each nominee and their chances at an induction.

Yes: they are going in. It should have occurred before Chris Squire died; yet this is the best way to honor one of the greatest art-rock bands to have ever existed.

Janet Jackson: she is going in. It has been a long time coming, and honestly it couldn't have occurred a while back. None the less, it is the perfect time for Janet to be honored.

N.W.A.: they will be going in. I expect Dr. Dre to get inducted on his own probably in two or three years from now as well. This though is the best time for N.W.A., amongst the best in their fields, to be included.

Nine Inch Nails: Trent Reznor and/or others will be inducted. They came close last year, and since NIN are effectively the most recent of nominees, a much needed induction will happen.

Chic: this will go one of two ways. Either Chic will be inducted as Performers, or Chic will receive the Award for Musical Excellence. This has gone far enough. Nile Rodgers should not have to wait to join Bernard Edwards and Tony Thompson in the afterlife to enjoy this great reward.

Chicago: a personal favorite for myself and my family. I suppose hell has frozen over; already Chicago leads the fan ballot, and it looks like they will lead in the end and will be inducted. About time if it happens.

The Cars: my seventh pick should it go to seven. Easily amongst the more iconic 1980s bands to have gained a second wind with MTV.

Steve Miller: a very versatile artist that I hope one day gets a well deserved induction. I am not too sure this will be the year, what with so many other worthy nominees. Yet, Steve Miller is the most blues-centric artist nominated this year, so anything is possible.

The Smiths: it would be awesome for them to go in. I doubt Morrissey or Johnny Marr would show up (maybe Morrissey), but no reconciliation will ever happen. We can dream though.

Deep Purple: this might happen. Then again, unlike the other bands considered, we know for a fact that the current Deep Purple have major problems with past living members; and yes, that namely means Ritchie Blackmore. I suspect the hesitation for an induction does involve who will show up; and what sort of fighting there may be. We will find out one day, though maybe not this day.

The Spinners: this would be a good time for an induction with only One of the original members still alive. Yet, it might not be this year.

Cheap Trick: I am rather pleased they got nominated. Who knows, perhaps an induction is forthcoming. Yet if that does happen, Robin, Rick and Tom need to reconcile with Bun E. as soon as can be. I doubt this happens.

The J.B.'s: I cannot see them going in as Performers. Maybe the Award for Musical Excellence should Chic actually get inducted through the front door. None the less, we did induct Fred Wesley, Jabo Starks and Clyde Stubblefield as sidemen in our Revisited/Projected elections; so this helps quite a bit.

Chaka Khan: let me point out that I do not have Chaka Khan on my shortlist for Revisited/Projected this year. In any case, I think Janet Jackson's pending induction will suffice this year. Perhaps one day.

Los Lobos: were any of you surprised as I was? Well, perhaps more people will look at Los Lobos more deeply than their late 1980s commercial peak. Having mentioned that, it is an honor for Los Lobos just to be nominated, as I doubt they will get inducted. They are also not on my Revisited/Projected shortlist.

So there you have it. As I mentioned before, I would have posted more earlier, yet life got in the way. Now let us move forward to our Crown Jewel and to give the NomCom some ideas in the days and months ahead. Let me know what you fellow posters think about these opinions. It should be an interesting few weeks to come.

Can someone explain to me the saying "Bye Phelicia"?,

Lax32

Posted by Lax32 on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 22:31pm


I will Move on very Soon. I just show a few more examples. I am playing Bob Dylan at this moment. It occurred to me who he may Vote for. He is one of the Oldest Inductees. He is personally diverse. It is Hard to say with Good Old Bob. I think perhaps as a Guess. Chicago, The JBs and Steve Miller. He would remember Steve Millers Blues which I know he likes. Older guys like Johnnny Cash rest in Peace have come to know Nine Inch Nails. So that's possible. Now Neil Young another great Old Inductee could Vote for the Cars Chicago and maybe even Deep Purple. He has supported Harder Rock at times. You never know. I don't how many the Voters get to Vote for. It's all speculation. I am saying based on the Voting body Deep Purple may not get enough Votes. Even Neil may Vote for them. I don't think that enough in the Voting Body would Vote for them or Cheap Trick. It's not so likely that the Lovin Spoonful guys James Taylor or Jackson Browne would vote for Deep Purple. There is a lot of Inductees of different types that get to Vote. Ok I'm done with this point.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 07:52am


Ben, I understand what you are saying. I was just saying to be careful. On Neil Young, for instance, I don't know the man, but he is my favorite artist so I have read a lot about him. I know, for instance, that Neil is a big fan of Kraftwerk. You might not guess that by just listening to his music (other than 'Trans'). But I bet when Kraftwerk was on previous ballots, Neil probably voted for them. I guess I'm just saying don't assume just because a certain artist mostly plays a certain type of music that they would automatically vote for similar sounding artists. That is what Roy had done so maddenly in the past. Fortunately he seems to have backed off that practice.

Posted by Dezmond on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 08:27am


On Los Lobos. They are still a longshot, but not as much of a longshot as many of you think. The casual listeners out there probably just remember "La Bamba." But they actually have a long and deep catalogue. But more importantly, they are very respected in the industry (aka, the voters). They (and separately, the members of Los Lobos) have worked with a lot of artists. That helps too.

Although I can probably guess that Paul Simon will not be voting for them. Los Lobos played on a song on 'Graceland,' and when Simon did not credit them with a co-writing credit, things got nasty. They didn't go to court over it, but Los Lobos has been pretty vocal in the media over the years about Paul Simon ripping them off.

Posted by Dezmond on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 08:32am


Oh no, the Cars have taken over Chicago in the poll!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 08:55am


The top 5 on the fan vote are probably the most populist acts on the ballot: The Cars, Chicago, Yes, Deep Purple, and Steve Miller (Band). I like these artists so don't get me wrong but this fan ballot is really out-of-hand. It makes sense to me why those would appeal to various classic rock fans but this fan ballot is totally out-of-control and I don't think I get take it seriously this year. Think about it, the top 5 have 12 Million votes each, then the next artist Janet Jackson has 7 Million votes and then the rest of the artists have between 750,000 and 140,000 votes each. People are obviously voting multiple times for their favorite artists and this isn't even close at this point between the top 5 and the other 10 artists. Personally I think it takes the fun and integrity of the fan ballot.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 10:22am


Roy, I did improve my Point that Bob Dylan could vote for Nine Inch Nails. Seems opposite but they are Revolutionary and he's Revolution. Neil Young could vote for Deep Purple even though most of his Various albums are totally different. He has supported Hard Rock at times. Stevie Nicks could vote for Deep Purple and perhaps the Cars. It doesn't show up in F Mac's music but I think I read she likes some Hard Rock and New Wave herself. Nine Inch Nails may b too extreme for her so less likely.

2 more. Whoever is alive in the Dave Clark Five.
I seem to have read they are not that in touch
with later genres. I read things. Perhaps Chicago and Steve Miller. With them from what I know Steve Miller is stretching. Also Neil Diamond Perhaps Chicago And Steve Miller
THAT'S IT on that. My point on all this is Deep Purple and Cheap Trick may be harder than people think. It's not just up to Tom Morello and guys like Zep and Aerosmith. Votes from Unlikelys like Dave Clark Five and Neil Diamond would have to come to. I am aware Deep Purple did one of his tunes in 68. Don't mean he Loves them



Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 10:52am


Nick,

If they wanted to the hall could have limited votes, but it gives an advantage to hackers who know how to get around limits. I think you are missing the point. 20+ years??? It's a message.


Ben,

I think you will get a better idea of who somebody will vote for by looking at who they worked with and who they have made positive comments on. Another thing is who knows who that has a friend.

a couple examples:

Peter Cetera wears a Bauhaus t-shirt in the You're The Inspiration video. Who would have thought?

I have been researching Chicago artists and it's interesting to see subtle connections between artist from Chicago. It is almost like a spider web.

Peter Cetera's high school friend. Marty Grebb, played in Bonnie Raitt's band. Bonnie Raitt played on one of Peter Cetera's albums. Another Chicagoan, John Prine had one of his songs, Make Me an Angel was recorded by Bonnie Raitt and he performed with her on stage. Paul Anka paid for John Prine and Steve Goodman's air fare to go to New York to get more exposure. Petera Cetera sings back-up on one of Paul Anka's songs.

Dezmond,

I am familiar with Los Lobos because of La Bamba. I did come across their version of the classic, Guantanamera. They did a mariachi take on it and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Unfortunately I am not familiar with most of their work, but I have heard them spoken about outside of La Bamba to realize that they were respected.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 12:01pm


Lax32, Donnie and Nick,

You have articulated clearly who you feel deserves to be inducted. Thank you very much for your opinions and analyses, I am still looking forward to reading Philip's, Charles Crossley's, Tom Lane's and of course, the opinions of Pope Charmings.


Meanwhile, I will list my favorite artists from this list of the 2016 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame nominees from first to last:

01. Yes- yes, absolutely! Yes is second on my list of favorite bands, after Rush. Yes has frequently been referred to as the so-called "high priests" of progressive rock. Their classic songs, 'Roundabout,' 'Your Move/All Good People,' and 'Owner Of A Lonely Heart' are in regular rotation on f.m. And satellite radio. Their classic studio albums: "The Yes Album," "Fragile," "Close To The Edge" and "Going For The One" are loved by millions. As much as I talk about how much I like Rush, I have even more Yes recordings in my collection. Yes has been a seminal influence upon Rush since their earliest days. The late Chris Squire had wanted the members of Rush to induct Yes, perhaps that will happen next year.


02. Deep Purple- yes, absolutely. The recent unfortunate passing of keyboardist Jon Lord in 2012 had probably led to their first nomination in October, 2012. Deep Purple is known for their huge influence upon "hard rock" and "heavy metal." In fact, they are considered to be one of the godfathers of those genres. Originally, Mark I and some of Mark II Deep Purple was "progressive rock." They were also a major influence upon Rush. Mark III Deep Purple had also featured the magnificent vocals of David Coverdale and Glenn Hughes. "Burn" was an extraordinary recording, although Deep Purple is probably better known for "Machine Head" and "Deep Purple In Rock." My personal favorite Deep Purple songs are 'April' and 'Chasing Shadows' from their third album, "Deep Purple" and 'Burn' from "Burn" and 'Perfect Strangers' from "Perfect Strangers," although I do not dislike 'Smoke On The Water.'

03. Chicago- yes, absolutely. Zuzu and Roy must be ecstatic about this particular pick. I have been listening to the music of Chicago for well over 4 decades, due to their presence on the f.m. radio. I did not purchase my first Chicago compilation until 2012, however. I presently have only two studio albums by Chicago: "Chicago Transit Authority" and "Chicago."

04. The Cars- yes, absolutely. I only have "The Car's Greatest Hits." I have never owned any of The Cars' studio albums, unfortunately. My favorite songs by The Cars are: 'Just What I Needed,' 'Drive' and 'You Might Think.'


05. Steve Miller-yes, although I do not own a single studio album by him. I do like the songs, 'Fly Like An Eagle' and 'Abracadabra' however.


06. The Spinners- yes. A colleague of mine from work is very familiar with their catalogue.

07. Chaka Khan- yes. I am not terribly familiar with her songs, except for 'I Feel For You.'

08. Los Lobos- maybe. other than their songs on the "La Bamba" Soundtrack, I am not familiar with their other work.

09. Chic- maybe, due to their influence. Personally, I think that Nile Rodgers should be inducted as a producer and given the Ahmet Ertegun award, instead.

10. The J.B.'s - maybe, due to their connection to the late James Brown.

11. Nine Inch Nails- maybe. Other than Trent Reznor's appearance in "Rush: Beyond The Lighted Stage," and his Academy award win, I know almost nothing about 'Nine Inch Nails,' other than their very twisted video of 'Closer.'


12. Cheap Trick- maybe. I am only familiar with 'Dream Police'
and 'Surrender.' There has been a huge number of people who have been touting Cheap Trick for years.

13. The Smiths- no, Morrissey is too whiny! ;-)

14. Janet Jackson- No, absolutely not! One colleague of mine had voted for her induction only because he likes her nipples. Are you kidding me? Outside of her acting ability, I have numerous reasons for disliking Janet Jackson which would probably take me days, months, or possibly even years, to explain. If she had written her own music and her own lyrics, then I would be inclined to vote maybe. However, I really think that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis should be inducted, instead. Since most people are only familiar with her striptease act, her appearance on the cover of Rolling Stone Magazine with her boyfriend cupping her breasts and her lip synching in concert, I would be inclined to vote no, definitely not. Nobody that I know, or will admit to purchasing, that I know of, has ever purchased a single album of hers. Personally, her work does not resonate with me in any way, shape, or form. I wonder who had sponsored the huge hype machine surrounding her nomination and induction?


15. N.W.A. - Hell no, absolutely not! actually Injuring, or assaulting any woman is not unacceptable under any circumstances, whatsoever, unless of course, she is trying to kill you and you are in danger of being killed. Then you are entitled to defend your life, but attempting to throw someone down a staircase, pushing them against the wall and hitting them in the back of the head is unforgivable. Physically assaulting anyone should never be supported, nor rewarded, under any circumstances, whatsoever.

Of course, lyrics which espouse hatred, racism, misogyny and homophobia are completely unwarranted also.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 13:17pm


I don't know how to whip up a bot to get Chicago back at # 1.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 13:36pm


Chicago is back at # 1 now!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 13:39pm


To Nick, Ben and Zuzu

Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Barry Gibb, The Beach Boys, The Rolling Stones, The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Genesis and Earth, Wind & Fire, Rush, Guns 'N Roses will be among the inductees who will vote for Chicago.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 13:59pm


Enigmaticus,

I have big smile on my face for Chicago. I would love to see Chaka Khan get in but I'm not too hopeful. She is from Chicago and I grew up not too far from where she grew up. I think chances for her both solo and with Rufus would have been better if more Chicago area artist were already in.

There are 2 You Tube videos of her appearance with Peter Cetera on the Arsenio Hall show - 1 performing and 1 interview. Also look up her credits on Allmusic. She was highly in demand for her exceptional vocals. Steve Winwood said she was the person everybody wanted to sing with on their songs. She has a ton of Grammies.

I hope that helps you in determining her worthiness and chances for the hall.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 14:08pm


Roy,

Do you have something concrete or are you speculating?

I would also look at possibilities for: David Gilmour, Bonny Raitt, Billy Joel, Abba, Madonna, Joni Mitchell, Prince, Rush and who is still alive from the Dells and Paul Butterfield.

Some other things to consider:

The Exceptions were playing at some of the clubs were celebrities would drop in and perform.

What artist did the Exceptions open for or back up that have been inducted?

Danny, Walt and Terry were part of the Dick Clark traveling show with other bands - were any of them inducted?

Jimmy, Walt and Lee did a lot of studio work for other artist.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 14:44pm


I had need to rewrite this:

14. Janet Jackson- no, absolutely not!

One colleague of mine had voted for her, only because he likes her nipples. Are you kidding me? That has to be the lamest excuse that I have ever head for voting for someone. Outside of her very impressive acting ability, which I actually like, I have numerous reasons for disliking Janet Jackson. These reasons would probably take me days, months, or possibly even years to elucidate fully. If she had written her own lyrics and her own music, then I would be inclined to vote, maybe. However, I think that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis should be inducted, instead. Since most people are only familiar with her badly executed striptease act, her topless appearance on the cover of Rolling Stone Magazine with her boyfriend cupping her breasts and her lip synching in concert, I would be inclined to vote no, definitely not. Nobody that I know of, has ever purchased, or will admit to purchasing a single album of hers? So, how did she sell so many recordings? Personally, her body of work does not resonate with me on any level, nor in any way, shape, or form. I definitely wonder who has sponsored the huge hype machine responsible for her nomination and possible induction?

15. N.W.A.- Hell no, absolutely not!

Actually injuring, or assaulting any women is not acceptable under any circumstances whatsoever, unless of course, she is trying to kill you and your life is in danger. Then, in that unlikely instance, you are entitled to defend your life. However, chasing somebody, throwing them against a wall and attempting to throw them down a flight of stairs and then punching them in the back of the head while they are fleeing is totally unforgivable. Physically assaulting anyone should never be supported, nor rewarded under any circumstances, whatsoever.

Of course, writing lyrics which espouse hatred, racism, misogyny and homophobia are completely unwarranted also. I do not care if wealthy white kids like their beat, either. If you think that I dislike Janet, I like AC/DC, a band who I strongly detest, much more than I do N.W.A.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 14:47pm


I'm torn on this. On one hand, I love all the acts that received little or no recognition in the past (Chicago, Deep Purple, etc.) finally showing up here. As others have noted, no singer-songwriters could lead to something pretty interesting.

On the other hand, it shocked me to see no new artists from the current crop show up. Unlike next yr., where you have Pearl Jam, 2-Pac, and a whole lot of long shots, this yr. had all sorts of potential. No Pumpkins, no AIC, no Blur... no anything. It's a real stunner.

Perhaps they've finally woken to the fact that a few of these acts may not be around too much longer, & they really do wish to acknowledge them.

My personal ballot:

The Cars
Chicago
Deep Purple
The Spinners
Steve Miller
Yes

I have nary a clue as to what it really will be.

What would be interesting is if they did elect a heavy, classic-oriented line-up this yr., and then went nearly all modern next yr. Try this for next yrs. ballot:

Pearl Jam
2-Pac
Pumpkins
AIC
Blur
(?) - maybe Janet Jackson ? - The Smiths ?

It would be a pleasant switch, though I doubt it'll turn out this way.


Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:01pm


Dezmond,
I meant to respond to you Not Roy. I got mixed up
I am looking to end this topic soon. Real soon. So you see I am taking into account some personal taste of the artist. Bob Dylan is about 74 I think. I am a huge fan. I read a Book on him and Own 30 albums of his. So As old as he is I could see him Voting for Nine Inch Nails because he was a revolutionary. He may not but it is possible. He's the Oldest Inductee I could see doing that. The 60s was the first decade to produce revolutionaries. Dylan was revolutionary in the 60s NIN revolutionary in the 90s. I still don't think NIN will garner enough Votes. There is plenty Younger than Old Bob that are probably too conservative for them.

Dezmond and Zuzu,
I think the guys in Queen could Vote for Chic. Another One Bites the Dust was inspired by Good Time. A tune I hate but they like I think. I read about their respect for Nile Rodgers. I mean I am sure they would also Vote for Deep Purple as part of the Hard Rock community they kinda share. So I Totally agree. You get a better idea on Votes on who they worked with and made positive comments about. Queen is a good example.

Let's take David Byrne. He is a revolutionary in his time. Late 70s and early 80s. He is diverse. So I can see him Voting for the Cars and NIN.

Now I think Yes can get plenty of Votes. I want them in Badly. Well there is the guys in Queen perhaps to Vote for them. Genesis Rush Of course and Pink Floyd guys. There is also some other music officianados that Vote. Steely Dan's Becker and Fagan certainly could. Hey you never know Donovan may find Yes mystical and Vote for them. I could see Heart voting for Yes perhaps. Peter Gabriel certainly. There are some possibilities.

Again my point in the beginning is certain Classic Rockers may not get in Now like Deep Purple. The Hall voters are diverse body and the Hall likes diversity. So my list of Inductees stays. This is to say that Janet Jackson may Block some Classic Rock for example. That is unfortunate but probable to Happen. I own nothing of her and Proud of that. Not my Bag at all. I do like Chaka Khan though who I also predict.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:02pm


To FRL

Quote from the Rock Hall Fan Poll Page:

Vote now – and vote often – for the TOP FIVE nominees you think should be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame! The fan votes will comprise a fans’ ballot that will be tallied along with the other ballots to choose the 2016 inductees to be announced in December!

This means the 82 million votes makes sense because people were told to vote often.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:04pm


I had definitely needed to rewrite this:

14. Janet Jackson- no, absolutely not! One colleague of mine had voted for her, only because he likes her nipples. Are you kidding me? That has to be the lamest excuse that I have ever heard for voting for someone.

Outside of her very impressive acting ability, which I actually do like, I have numerous reasons for disliking Janet Jackson.

Those reasons would probably take me days, months, or
possibly even years to elucidate fully. If she had written her own lyrics and her own music, then I would be inclined to vote,
maybe. However, I think that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis
should be inducted as songwriters instead. Since most people are only familiar with her badly executed striptease act, her topless appearance on the cover of Rolling Stone Magazine with her boyfriend cupping her breasts and her lip synching in concert, I would be inclined to vote no, definitely not. Nobody that I know of, has ever purchased, or will admit to ever having purchased a single album of hers? So, how did she sell so many recordings and who purchased them?

Personally, her body of work does not resonate with me on
any level, or in any way, shape, or form. I definitely wonder
who has sponsored the huge hype machine responsible for her nomination and possible induction?

15. N.W.A.- Hell no, absolutely not!

Actually injuring, or assaulting any woman is not acceptable under any circumstances whatsoever, unless of course, she is trying to kill you and your life is in danger. Then, in that unlikely instance, you are entitled to defend your life. However, chasing somebody, throwing them up against a wall and attempting to throw them down a flight of stairs and then punching them in the back of the head while they are fleeing from you, is totally unforgivable. Physically assaulting anyone should never be supported, nor rewarded under any circumstances, whatsoever.

Of course, writing lyrics which espouse hatred, racism, misogyny and homophobia are completely unwarranted also. I do not care if wealthy white kids like their beat, either. If you think that I dislike Janet, I happen to like AC/DC, a band who I strongly detest, much more than I do N.W.A. How much more, you might ask? Try, 10 to the power of a googolplex more.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:05pm


Of the nominees, I'll list them in the order that I like them...

1. Chicago (I'm not as much of a fanatic as Roy and Zuzu on them, but they are my favorite among the nominees)

2. Janet Jackson (huge Janet fan, grew up with her music as a kid in the late 80's and 90's)

3. The Cars (such a great run of hit singles and an innovative sound for their time)

4. Deep Purple (one of the best hard rock bands ever, period)

5. N.W.A. (yeah their lyrics are questionable at times, but their music was great and still sounds fresh today)

6. The Steve Miller Band (another great run of songs in the 70's. Their late 60's work is also underrated)

7. The Spinners (my favorite R&B vocal group of the 1970's with the O'Jays)

8. Yes (the kings of progressive rock, though I'm honestly not a die-hard fan, great band nonetheless).

9. Nine Inch Nails (I like a lot of other 90's rock bands much better, but still NIN are great)

10. Chic (probably the best disco band ever, who had a great run of singles in that era)

11. Chaka Khan (a truly magnificent and gifted singer, either with Rufus or on her own, she's one of the most underrated singers ever, IMO)

12. Cheap Trick (I'm honestly not a major fan, certainly like many other rock enthusiasts are, but I enjoy some of their work, particularly the two songs they did for the Heavy Metal soundtrack in 1981)

13. The J.B.'s (until two days ago I had never heard a single song of theirs, well not knowingly anyway, as I have heard their songs for many years, for as long as I've heard Public Enemy, Eric B. and Rakim, and many other school rap artists. But I actually listened to an album of their on Spotify yesterday, and their work was really bad-ass. Great, underrated group)

14. The Smiths (I'm not really a fan of the Smiths and never have been. "How Soon is Now? and "Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me" are the only two Smiths songs I really like. I was thoroughly disappointed when I bought the Queen is Dead many years ago, so I can't really say I'm a fan. But they're still one of the greatest bands of the 1980's and a shoe-in for the HOF. Just not my cup of tea.

15. Los Lobos (the band I know the least of, although I like some of the songs on the How Will the Wolf Survive? album, as well as the La Bamba soundtrack. Most of their earlier work is in Spanish, and as much as I hate to say it, I have a hard time enjoying music sung in foreign languages. I know that's bad, but I just can't help it).

Posted by Donnie on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:06pm


The Beach Boys and the Bee Gees sang back-up on a couple of Chicago albums in the 70s.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:07pm




To FRL

Quote from the Rock Hall Fan Poll Page:

Vote now – and vote often – for the TOP FIVE nominees you think should be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame! The fan votes will comprise a fans’ ballot that will be tallied along with the other ballots to choose the 2016 inductees to be announced in December!

This means the 82 million votes makes sense because people were told to vote often.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:04pm

So 13 million of Chicago's votes are coming from Roy.

Posted by Dezmond on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:28pm


Alice Cooper has long been advocating for Deep Purple, so I'm pretty he'll throw a vote towards Deep Purple. I also remember back in the early 2000's when VH1 did their 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock countdown, he talked positively about Yes, so I would assume he would vote for them as well.

He might vote for Nine Inch Nails and Cheap Trick as they're both hard rock bands. I'd assume he'd round out his ballot with the Cars or possibly the Steve Miller, Chicago, or the Spinners.

Posted by Donnie on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:29pm


Zuzu, you missed the point I made before. Right I understand that the masses are "getting their point across" with the top 5 on the ballot, but how can you take this fan ballot seriously now? The point that I made was that the fan ballot loses a lot of integrity when classic rock fanboys are constantly casting vote after vote for the same 5 acts. It isn't even a fair contest giving the differences are now in the millions. It was fun to cast and constantly check how the fan ballot was doing the last couple of years, now it's at a standstill and it seems very, very unlikely any of the other 10 nominees can come close to catch up. This all stems from the Rock Hall not limiting the number of times a person can vote from their device. There are no hackers; rather, it's unlimited voting this year. Maybe the Rock Hall is doing this because the fan ballot really doesn't matter in the long run (just 1 ballot of the 800+ ballots). The 3 previous years they controlled and monitored the number of times someone can vote for the fan ballot. This is just getting ridiculous now. Kudos to FRL for not having such a skewed voting system.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:42pm


Now wait a minute Dezmond. Don't I get any credit? ;)

I see a very good possibility of over a billion votes. I wouldn't be surprised if one or more artist topped a billion votes. The top 5 are less then 1 percentage point apart. Probably several people are voting for all 5 together. That last week and especially the last day or 2 will be complete mayhem on that site. I hope they make sure they have the capacity to handle the traffic because the site has already crashed a few times.

The hall will pimp it for publicity. They will probably say a record number of over # votes were cast.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:51pm


FRL,
Here is a link to a website that gives the playlists on SiriusXM. One of the channels there is "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Radio" (Channel 310). If you look at the playlist since the day the nominations were announced (the last 2-3 days), they have been playing a different 2016 Rock Hall Nominee every 15 minutes until the inductees are revealed in 2 months. The only 2 artists NOT being played so far is Nine Inch Nails and N.W.A. I listen to Rock Hall Radio all the time and last year they played Nine Inch Nails quite a bit when they did the same thing with the 2015 Nominees. I wonder why Rock Hall Radio is not playing either artist (they didn't play N.W.A. since they've been nominated from 2013-now)? Also, they are playing Chicago, Yes, Janet Jackson, The Cars, and Steve Miller (Band) the most.

http://www.dogstarradio.com/search_playlist.php?artist=&title=&channel=310&month=&date=&shour=1&sampm=AM&stz=&ehour=12&eampm=AM

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 16:08pm


15. Los Lobos (the band I know the least of, although I like some of the songs on the How Will the Wolf Survive? album, as well as the La Bamba soundtrack. Most of their earlier work is in Spanish, and as much as I hate to say it, I have a hard time enjoying music sung in foreign languages. I know that's bad, but I just can't help it).

Posted by Donnie on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:06pm

But the funny thing is, the vast majority of Los Lobos' songs are in English. And much of it is straight rock and roll, not just the Hispanic music influence. In fact, several of their albums are very experimental. Again, I refer you all to KIKO. An amazing album. You should all check it out. In my Top 10 albums of all time.

Posted by Dezmond on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 16:13pm


Nick,

This site has limits and yet somebody knows a way around it. A hacker does not need to break into a system. All they need to know is how the system sets limits and what are the means to get around those measures.

The singing competition shows block ip's outside the US. People outside the US get around it by going to sites that give them a US ip address.

I understand your frustration with wanting to see a true idea of what the public wants. The only way you will get that is with a well run survey sample.

Even on this site you have people that have no qualms with artist that have lied cheated and stolen from other artist and claimed it as their own original work and artist that have committed felonies such as rape and child molestation being inducted into the hall. There has been a shift over the decades from lying and cheating being shameful to being expected and cheered on. There are too many people out there that want to be validated and are willing to cheat to get that validation.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 16:18pm


Zuzu, there are no hackers; it's unlimited voting from any device and thus no restrictions. It's just that simple. I did say that FRL has a 1-vote limit per device. I guarantee the Rock Hall is doing this to say they had "x" amount of votes this year; I guarantee it. Why else would they allow it?

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 16:24pm


I'll take that back, maybe there are hackers at play in this year's fan ballot. The Rock Hall needs to address this issue.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 17:01pm


Nick,

I agree totally that the hall is doing it for the publicity.

There are ways around the limits. I thought the limit was set by ip address. There might be a way around the device thing. A techie would know how to do it. I'm not sure if a shell account would work. I don't know how but I heard from a techie that using a shell can hide things but it may have been from the other direction.

There are companies that specialize in protecting their clients image. They would have the means to insure that surveys went their way.

One single individual could go to a library and go from one computer to another. Somebody that is really obsessed would also go to different libraries.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 17:05pm


Nick,

It is possible that there have been hacks. I saw it occur the other day and it was Janet's numbers that were increasing at a significantly high rate.
Any other increases or decreases have been at a steady rate. It is possible pros are involved where people are hired to run up numbers.

A system crashing can be from traffic but it can also be a sign of a hack. The crashes have not been long. I refresh and I get the page again so it is probably traffic related. It can also be related to the hall doing something to their computers.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 17:47pm


What I'm most surprised about is that there are none of the "recently departed" acts among the nominees. I would not have been surprised to see Lesley Gore, and I am very surprised not to see Joe Cocker and Ben E. King.

Posted by Joe on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 18:20pm


Zuzu,

The top five vote-getters are pulling a hundred votes per second. PER SECOND. These are not fan votes.

They could pull the poll down and re-upload with a Captcha. That would stop the bot problem.

Posted by dmg on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 18:57pm


dmg - I like the captcha idea. There's no point having a fan poll that's so easily rigged. This is truly shameful.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 19:29pm


"But the funny thing is, the vast majority of Los Lobos' songs are in English. And much of it is straight rock and roll, not just the Hispanic music influence. In fact, several of their albums are very experimental. Again, I refer you all to KIKO. An amazing album. You should all check it out. In my Top 10 albums of all time." - Dezmond

I'll second the "Kiko" recommendation. Almost everybody is sleeping on Los Lobos, but they have the peer respect factor to potentially pull a Paul Butterfield.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 19:33pm


dmg,

They should have done that from the start. The other day when the system was crashing Janet was moving up somewhere between 1,000 and 2,000 at a shot. Maybe a bit closer to 2,000. It was going in spurts and would then go back down to a low point and the move up started again. The rhythm to the way her numbers were moving was not normal and now there have been no surges for the last 24 hours. That was pros and not a fan base. A fan base pattern is completely different. What was happening had more of the feel of pros checking in and making corrections and going away.

100 votes a second is nothing. I have seen numbers go up at a faster rate than that and that was with Captcha type entry. It is probably fairly consistent for the top 5 because a large number of people are picking those 5. The pattern to surges among the top 5 follows the normal rhythm.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 19:37pm


Zuzu,

Yes, they should have done that from the start. I agree on that. But it would be a travesty to not fix their mistake.

Also, 100 votes per second is NOT NORMAL, especially when it happens at ALL HOURS. You really think Chicago fans are legitimately voting 100 times a second at 3AM? Come on.

Posted by dmg on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 21:20pm


dmg,

They could do it now. I wish somebody would come up with a different system. Some of those codes are hard to read. Sometimes you can't tell a capital from a lower case letter.

I assume this poll is open world wide. Chicago has devout fans in the Philippines and Japan. The middle of the night is the best time to be on a poll. 100 at a low point is not funny. There were some points were it was going about 400 or 500. A fan base knows how to work a poll. What is abnormal behavior is a fan base gets their person to the top and goes away. You don't sit on the computer to get your person up only to let them drop all the way down. A fan base is just bot going to let that happen. That is what makes it look like hired help and not a fan base.

Have you ever heard the quote "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Why is Chicago being singled out alone of the group of 5. I am sure several people are picking those as their 5 picks. Do you think that all the votes on here for Janet are fans. I am sure the family has hired pros to watch their backs on the internet.

dmg have you ever gotten on a free for all poll. I'm not sure how many of the voters are Sox fans, but they know how to work a poll. They got AJ, the most hated man in baseball voted in for the All-Stars.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 21:58pm



http://www.stereogum.com/1836077/rock-hall-2016-nominees-include-the-smiths-nin-n-w-a-janet-jackson/news/

Rock Hall 2016 Nominees Include The Smiths, NIN, N.W.A, Janet Jackson

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 05:33am



http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6722640/rock-roll-hall-fame-2016-nominees-analysis

Rock Hall of Fame 2016 Nominees: Perfect Timing for N.W.A, Plus 4 More Thoughts (Analysis)

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 05:36am


The last thing I'll say about the Voting Body is I heard that Bill Clinton is one of the Voters. Has anyone heard that. Well. Who will the former President Vote for? This is not political. He is a Music lover. He will most definitely Vote for Chicago. It is very Clear that hands down they should be an Inductee. Clinton may also Vote for Deep Purple and Steve Miller Band. He is an early Baby Boomer. He will probably Vote the way lots of other Bay Boomers do. I mean He could vote for Chaka Khan also from the 70s era into the 80s. I thought I read Voters get to Vote for 3. Not sure.

Soo moving on Chicago with combined force of the Fan Base Vote and the Voting Body I would say are a No Brainer. It's like Roy said the Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Genesis Earth Wind & Fire and Rush are among the Inductees who will Vote for Chicago. When I drive in my Car soon I will be listening to Chicago II. I also own 2 Gr Hits. First 2 Volumes not Vol 3. I don't like their 80s. I do like them to some extent on all their stuff through the late 70s.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 05:38am


http://digitaldreamdoor.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1128

THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME THREAD ON DDD

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 06:08am



Roy,
Joe Walsh joined the Eagles in 1975 at the peak of their popularity. Plus he played on Hotel California (album), the biggest and most successful album of the Eagles' career. Walsh's guitar solo on "Hotel California" alone qualifies him as a worthy inductee alongside the Eagles. No debate here on Walsh.

Timothy B. Schmit might be a little more debatable since he joined after Hotel California. He sing lead vocals on "I Can't Tell You Why" but the band broke up in 1980 (only 1 year later).

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 09:39am


"I will update my Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction speech for Chicago to include the result of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame official fan poll."--Roy


Roy, we don't take kindly to open threats here.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 10:33am


It doesn't matter. The fan vote only counts as one extra vote for each one of the acts that finishes in the top five. It won't make a difference anyway. Chicago is going to win and it makes sense because they are the highest billboard charting act on this year's nominees list. The Chicago fans are out in full force. Chicago is this year's Beatles, Rolling Stones, Beach Boys and Bee Gees.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 19:42pm


So I have a question. Do all the members go in for these groups. Chicago has had soo many members over the Years. I am certain You can give an opinion on that Zuzu.
Also with Deep Purple should I assume that Rod Evans the original Vocalist will not be Inducted. Is he still alive and Nicky Simper I recall was in the band Originally. What happens to David Coverdale?
Yes Have a similar deal with Members that Have come And Gone. Jeff Downes comes to mind. Also Trevor Rabin. I know the Hall has often gone with Famous line ups

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 20:49pm


FRL Fans & Regular Posters

I've seen some prediction RRHOF lists here over the last few months. Curious to see who is leading the points race. A few lists had 7 or 8 correct.

Pleasantly surprised on Cheap Trick & The Cars. I think this is the best slate of 15 nominees I can remember. Steve Miller clearly deserving.

On My Possible Inductees:1.Chicago-This year's Rush. A energetic and volumous fan base who are dedicated to get Chicago inducted. Sold 100+ million albums. Respected in music world. Deserving of honor.
2.Deep Purple. Influential and innovative. Cited by many hard rock & metal musicians as an influence. Incredible amount of talented singers & musicians. Blackmore,Lord,Coverdale, etc. Smoke On The Water Classic song. Their induction paves the way for Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motorhead.
3.The Spinners. This could be their year. Rubberman Man, I'll Be Around classic songs. Only 1 original Spinner still alive. Like Deep Purple, The Spinners induction should open it up for Kool & The Gang, The Commodores & similar groups.
4.Janet Jackson. A JJ induction would be a good headliner for Ceremony and also a strong female selection. There are always cries for more female representation in the Hall. Control & Rhythm Nation classic albums. I like Black Cat.
5.YES. Should get many votes from Prog & the classic rock voters. One of the biggest snubs I keep hearing. Enig has recited their album list. My FAV song from them probably Owner Of A Lonely Heart.
6.Chic. Somehow, they will be voted in I believe. This is 10x now. N.W.A. or NIN could be the odd man out if this occurs.
You could make the argument for 10 inductees. Should be interesting voting the next few months. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 21:46pm


KING,

It's good to have you back. Although we do agree on many other artists, we will continue to disagree about Janet Jackson and I have no use whatsoever for N.W.A. However, I do agree with you about Chicago, Deep Purple, Yes and The Spinners. I was very disappointed that my "prog" class has not yet been inducted. Maybe, next year.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 22:59pm


ENIGMATICUS

Always enjoy your Rush & Duran Duran posts to be sure. You know your Prog & Prog Adjacent bands inside and out. Disappointed Duran Duran & Moody Blues were not nominated but there is a strong ballot this year. It seems like Duran Duran was passed over again by the likes of The Smiths. Can't understand that when Duran Duran has greater longevity & volume of work.

On Janet Jackson:Not her biggest fan but like some of the music. Black Cat sounds hard rock or heavy metal to me. I think Control & Rhythm Nation were Classic albums. I'm not big on these singing and dancing groups but JJ has nice choreography and dance numbers. Don't know if being a Jackson helps or hurts. It might have gotten JJ a foot in the door but she made it on her own talent.

Hoping YES is inducted...That will help your prog groups. I would suspect Procol Harum & Moody Blues would be next. You were smart to amend your ballot late. Chicago & Steve Miller helped you pick up some more points. It is possible Queensryche will benefit in the future as prog metal makes more inroads. I like the Rush songs Time Stands Still & Limelight. You were right about Geddy Lee and his voice getting better as the years went by. We are in the month of Rushtober. Thought you would like that. Very happy my Los Lobos pick hit. Probably my best out of the blue pick since Peter Gabriel. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 03:13am


Enigmaticus,

I enjoy your Posts On Moody Blues as well As Rush and Duran Duran. Also Yes. I just want to say I am disappointed the Moody Blues and ELO are not dominated this year. So I am sorry to say Will only predict one Prog at a time from Now on. Next Year I will predict Moody Blues for the Prog.

The others had a Point that most of the Committee is not a big fan of them even though a bunch of them are from that era. Yes are on the Ballot. I say they will be Inducted due to the Passing of Chris Squire.

I do have to say even Though I am not a fan at all I think Janet Jackson is headed for the Hall. She is unfortunately A no Brainer. Her choreography and being a Jackson will get her in. It will Happen the way Michael the brother went in. I think The Hall wants to get Chic over with already. I hope I'm wrong but if I'm right We never have to worry about Chic again. Chaka Khan is one of the most talented R&B artist on the Ballot. They throw off the Strong Classic Rock but the Hall likes diversity.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 08:19am


So I have a question. Do all the members go in for these groups. Chicago has had soo many members over the Years. I am certain You can give an opinion on that Zuzu.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 20:49pm

Ben,

I can't speak for who would go in for the other groups but I can speak for Chicago. There is a committee that decides who goes in and who doesn't. The committee is somewhat inconsistent on their decisions so you never know what kind of logic they are going to use in a situation.

Chicago will definitely have the original and I feel that because of the lack of Hispanics and Latinos (they only have Los Lobos) for this years nominees, that Laudir de Oliveira, a Brazilian and Latino, will also be included. After that it gets pretty dicey.

I think the majority of Chicago fans would be happy with this line-up being inducted.

Roy is trying to make an argument for Bill Champlin, Jason Scheff and Tris Imboden. The only one that an argument can be made for is Bill Champlin. A lot of fans would not be happy with Chanplin and Scheff being added because of the rumor circulating that they were the ones that got Danny fired and a number of fans can not stand their vocals. There are some you tube videos were both sound pretty bad. also Champlin is credited for hooking Chicago up with David Foster. David Foster is not very much liked by older fans and a lot of people in general for changes he made to a several artist.

Then you have a couple that are listed as hired hands but were involved with Chicago at points that have some argument for relevance. I do not see Chicago being relevant after Peter Cetera was gone. I can see an argument being made for the 80's since 80's Chicago did influence metal prog and according to Who Sampled has been sampled by some r&b artist.

The important so called hired hands that have any importance are Chris Pinnick, Marty Grebb and Kenny Cetera. There is open question about Pinnick. Marty Grebb roomed with Terry. There are two you tube videos from the Merv Griffen Show where Grebb and Pinnick are introduced as members of the band. Kenny filled in after Laudir de Oliveira left and was involved with Chicago 17. Roy doesn't think so but I think all three involve a deeper look.

From a fan point of view Pinnick would be accepted for his guitar. Personally I would consider him before Champlin. Even if he isn't considered, I personally would love to have Marty Grebb sing for Terry. He is the only one that I have heard that can bring out a similar soulfulness that Terry had. There are videos of Marty Grebb singing Make Me Smile and Colour
My World on You Tube. He sounds better than anyone that has tried to fill in for Terry.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 08:55am


The 6 degrees of Rush separation posts are the best, keep them coming, they always make me smile.

You forgot...
Los Lobos - one of those guys had a mustache, Neil Peart had a mustache for many years, Los Lobos was clearly influenced by Neil's mustache

Posted by Classic Rock on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 09:32am


Thank you KING, Ben and SoTn,

Well, I am extremely disappointed that neither Duran Duran, or The Moody Blues, or the Electric Light Orchestra, or Sade, or Carly Simon were nominated this year; it is somewhat disheartening to say the least. Perhaps "Paper Gods" was too much of a dance album, perhaps the members of Duran Duran need to pull out their secret weapon, "Reportage." Perhaps Duran Duran should release a BluRay of their catalog of most recent videos also.

I certainly hope that Chicago, Deep Purple and Yes are finally inducted next year. I would be okay with an induction of The Spinners also.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 09:34am


The Cars

01. Ric Ocasek (1976–Present: vocals, guitar)
02. Elliot Easton (1976–Present: guitar)
03. Greg Hawkes (1976–Present: keyboards, synthesizer, percussion, saxophone, bass)
04. David Robinson (1976–Present: drums, percussion)
05. Benjamin Orr (1976–2000: vocals, bass)

Cheap Trick

01. Robin Zander (1974-Present: vocals, guitar)
02. Tom Petersson (1974-Present: bass)
03. Rick Nielsen (1974-Present: guitar)
04. Bun E. Carlos (1974-2010: drums)

Deep Purple

01. Rod Evans (1968-1969: vocals)
02. Nick Simper (1968-1969: bass guitar)
03. Ritchie Blackmore (1968-1975; 1984-1993: guitar; Rainbow)
04. Jon Lord (1968-1976; 1984-2002: organ, keyboards; Whitesnake)
05. Ian Paice (1968-1976; 1984-Present: drums, percussion; Whitesnake)
06. Ian Gillan (1969-1973; 1984-1989; 1992-Present: vocals, harmonica, percussion; Episode Six)
07. Roger Glover (1969-1973; 1984-Present: bass guitar; Episode Six, Rainbow)
08. David Coverdale (1973-1976: vocals; Whitesnake)
09. Glenn Hughes (1973-1976: bass guitar)
10. Steve Morse (1994-Present: guitars, vocals; Dixie Dregs, Kansas)

Yes

01. Jon Anderson (1968-2004: vocals, guitar)
02. Peter Banks (1968-1970: guitar)
03. Chris Squire (1968-2015: bass)
04. Tony Kaye (1968-1971; 1982-1994: keyboards)
05. Bill Bruford (1968-1972; 1990-1992: drums, King Crimson)
06. Steve Howe (1970-1981; 1990-1992; 1995-2004; 2008-Present: guitar; Asia, GTR)
07. Rick Wakeman (1971-1974; 1976-1980; 1990-1992; 1995-1997; 2002-2004: keyboards)
08. Alan White (1972-1981; 1982-2004; 2008–present: drums)
09. Patrick Moraz (1974-1976: keyboards, The Moody Blues)
10. Trevor Rabin (1982-1994: guitar, keyboards)

The Spinners

01. Henry Fambrough (1961-Present: vocals)
02. Bobbie Smith (1961-2013: vocals)
03. Pervis Jackson (1961-2008: vocals)
04. Billy Henderson (1961-2004: vocals)
05. George Cameron (1967-1972; 2000-2003: vocals)
06. Philippe Wynne (1972-1977: vocals)
07. John Edwards (1977-2000: vocals)

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 09:40am


Radio.com is in error about Peter Cetera singing the lead on Wishing You Were Here. Peter Cetera sang the bridge and backround harmonies with Beach Boy members. It was Terry that sang the lead on this song.

Hawk Wolinksi of Rufus played the moog on the studio version of this song. He is responsible for the sound of waves at the beginning of the song.

I am a bit disappointed in Chaka Khan is not even mentioned. I would love to see her perform Take Me Back to Chicago with Chicago since she was on the studio version. I would also like to see Chaka Khan and Peter Cetera perform their duet Feels Like Heaven. There are a couple of videos of them doing this song on the Arsenio Hall Show and the interview that followed.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 10:09am


Zuzu,

Which album is Wishing You Were Here on? I forget. I think it's On Chicago VII. Also How is that Album? I think Happy Man is on the same one. I've heard most of the first 10. That's the best ones to me. That's further than A lot go. A lot say first 3 and that's it. I think they had good stuff for most of the 70s. I've only owned Gr Hits albums for Years. I owned a bunch of the first 10 on Vinyl.

It makes sense for Chaka Khan to be inducted at the same time. She is recognized as a Talent too. Also I have never thought of her as Disco. I know that was discussed. There was both disco and Regular R&B in the late 70s. The Hall likes annoying us with Chic. So at least Chaka Khan makes things better.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 10:24am


Ben,

It's on VII. Happy Man is on that one as is Searchin So Long. It's not one of my personal favorite albums but a lot of people who are into Chicago's jazz elements like this one too. I personally think VIII is underrated. Several people like Brand New Love Affair Parts 1 & 2. This album also has: Anyway You Want, Hideaway, Oh, Thank You Great Spirit, Ain't It Blue and Old Days.

I prefer the live albums in most cases. The best one is the 72 Japan concert. The Toronto Bootleg isn't bad either. One of the best songs is Sing a Mean Tune Kid from Carnegie Hall. Peter Cetera's vocals are phenomenal on that one. You have to hear one that isn't digitally remastered because Peter Cetera's vocals do not sound right on those.

The three I would love to have inducted out of this group are Chicago (of Course :) ), Chaka Khan and Steve Miller. You have to look up Chaka on allmusic. If you check out her credits you will see how many artist wanted her to sing on their recordings. She sing across several genres. To me this show depth to her ability. I love how Peter Cetera said on the Arsenio Hall Show that they had to get a special mike because her powerful vocals would break the regular ones. He said she could belt it out one right after another all day. She is an immense vocal talent and I would be very disappointed to see somebody I consider undeserving get inducted instead.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 10:55am


I am going to start off by saying there is no way in hell The J.B.'s, Los Lobos or the Smiths are getting inducted in 2016. Chicago is definitely going to be inducted in 2016. Chicago is this year's Beatles, Rolling Stones, and Beach Boys on the ballot. Chicago is the top selling and highest Billboard charting act on the nominees list this year. They will win the Rock Hall's fan poll and win the votes of the Rock Hall committee and past inductees. Here are my 6 predictions for the 2016 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction ceremony:


Scenario 1: A Pre-1980s All Rock/R&B Bands/Groups Ceremony

01. Chicago
02. The Cars
03. Cheap Trick
04. Deep Purple
05. Yes
06. The Spinners

Scenario 2: If Voters Continue To Ignore Chic, The Spinners, Deep Purple and Yes, and prefer solo acts over bands; this has happened before recently

01. Chicago
02. Steve Miller
03. Chaka Khan
04. Janet Jackson
05. Nine Inch Nails
06. N.W.A

Scenario 3: The Future Rock Legends Poll

01. Chicago
02. Deep Purple
03. Yes
04. Janet Jackson
05. Nine Inch Nails
06. N.W.A

Scenario 4: The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Fan Poll

01. Chicago
02. Deep Purple
03. Yes
04. The Cars
05. Steve Miller
06. Janet Jackson

Scenario 5: Steven Van Zandt

01. Chicago
02. Cheap Trick
03. The Cars
04. Steve Miller
05. Chaka Khan
06. Janet Jackson

Scenario 6: If All Else Fails

01. Chicago
02. Chic
03. The Spinners
04. Janet Jackson
05. Nine Inch Nails
06. N.W.A

I am leaning towards scenarios 2 and 5. I won't make my final prediction yet.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 12:51pm


Only nominated acts we have not inducted into our Rock Hall Revisited/Projected are

Los Lobos
Chaka Khan
the J.B.s

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 12:53pm


Zuzu,

Thanks for the Chicago Info. They are doing well across the Board. The Voting Body will know them very Well. Chaka Khan is very deserving. I know something about her Back up singing experience. I predict Both.

She is not too deserving but Janet Jackson will probably mess things up for some of the other Classic Rock candidates. She is after all a Jackson. This may be the year for the Annoying Chic. They were annoying when they were originally out.

Those are some thoughts Right Now.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 13:59pm



Ben,

I keep going back and forth on whether Janet gets in. A tid bit I came across is the Michael had left the rights to the Beatles songs to Paul and that the Jackson family is fighting him on this one. So how does that play out - is it blackmail for support or does it go against Janet because Paul isn't happy. Does she really have the respect of the voting body? I could be wrong because they voted Kiss in. Are enough Motown artist still alive? I think that may have played into her brothers getting in.

Another thing to remember is that her brothers got in before it started coming out that there were molestation accusations against Michael. That could play against her. I know there is media hype but does that honestly reflect how the general public feels about her and the Jackson family.

Then it's back to what has she done to deserve being nominated let alone inducted? She is only known for her dancing. She isn't a great vocalist and I don't see anything exceptional about her music. She isn't innovative and in many ways she is nothing more than a female version of her brother. With all the cosmetic surgery the two went through she could easily pass for her brother in drag before he started getting some wonky stuff done to his face.

Basically, I really think it could go either way despite all the hype.


I don't need to have an all classical rock induction. I do think that that with the exception of Chaka Khan some very poor choices were made for r&b. The Spinners weren't bad but they weren't exceptional either. NWA may be liked by the younger crowd but I don't think they go over well with too many people over 40. The JB's would probably be better as sideman. Chic - I just don't think so.

There are some people complaining about the lack of representation of African Americans. But what kind of representation have Hispanics had? I mean look only Los Lobos. There are earlier choices such as Joan Baez and Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass. I grew up in a neighborhood that had a number of Mexican Americans and many of the young adults were into Herb Albert when I was a kid. I heard about him as much as I heard about Paul Butterfield.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 16:30pm


Chic and Chicago in the same year! I had a feeling this was going to happen!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 16:58pm


I was wrong about Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass being Hispanic. They did help create other Latin acts.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 17:05pm


Michael Jackson was first accused of child molestation in 1993. The Jackson Five were inducted in '97. TheHall of Fame doesn't careabout this sort of thing. They inducted a guy who married his 13 year old niece in its first class, for crying out loud. I would be highly surprised if they won't pick Janet for the behavior of her brother, who has been inducted twice and practically has been deified since his death.

Janet cemented her place in music history. Not innovative? Her music is practically the starting point for contemporary R&B.

Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 19:04pm


So I guess I fall somewhere in the middle. I anm not a fan at all. I question her innovativeness but the Hall will feel she is and plus she is part of the Jackson family. So for those reasons I think she'll be Inducted. I do think Chaka Khan will be inducted too and she is Innovative and is a talented Vocalist. These 2 will block some Classic Rock. As a result it won't be All Classic Rock.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 20:27pm


If we get an all Classic Rock class with Chicago The Cars Cheap Trick Deep Purple Yes and Steve Miller would it that open the door to other Classic Rock acts like ELO Jethro Tull The Moody Blues.etc or heavy metal bands like Iron Maiden Judas Priest.etc or Arena Rock/80s Hair-metal bands like Journey Bon Jovi Def Leppard.etc or 80s rock bands like The Cure Duran Duran Depeche Mode.etc
Also If both Janet Jackson and Chaka Khan get inducted in place of 2-3 Classic Rock bands would it that open the door to other R&B/Soul female artists like Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey
If NWA gets inducted in place of 2-3 Classic Rock Bands would it that open the door to an LL Cool J induction or with the Superstars of 90s Rap becoming eligble soon NWA`s induction would open the door for it

Posted by richie on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 21:11pm


Philip

You are a good evaluator of music. Do you think this is the Best 15 RRHOF Nominees list that you can remember? You can make a case 10 or 12 groups could get voted in. Enig's Prog list thought Moody Blues would make nomination. The Moody Blues will be good bet in 2016-2017 if Chicago, Deep Purple, YES, all get inducted. I thought NIN & N.W.A. would be sure things but this list of nominees is so good. Steve Miller or The Spinners could slide and take a spot away. Just love this list. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 01:29am


****The SPINNERS****

The Spinners WERE certainly exceptional. It's just that the Rockists don't want them to get in because they want an All-Classic Rock Inductees' list this year. I hear them extolling the virtues of all of the Rock acts, while blasting the R&B acts. That, Sir, is Rockism.

The Spinners have waited the longest of any act on this year's ballot.They have paid their dues....and THEN some. One or two 70's or Eighties acts could wait a year or two to let these guys in . Henry Fambrough is 76 years old. All of the other Original Spinners are DEAD.
If NWA gets in before the legendary SPINNERS , just because they released a movie, there id NO JUSTICE in this world.
*****Let's get THE SPINNERS into the Rock Hall for 2016 !!!****

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 02:33am


Thank you KING, Ben and SoTn,

Well, I am extremely disappointed that neither Duran Duran, nor The Moody Blues, nor the Electric Light Orchestra, nor Sade, nor Carly Simon were nominated this year; it is somewhat disheartening to say the least. Perhaps "Paper Gods" was too much of a dance oriented album, perhaps the members of Duran Duran need to pull out their secret weapon, their unreleased masterpiece, "Reportage." Perhaps Duran Duran should release a BluRay of their catalog of most recent videos also, including 'Girl Panic.'

I certainly hope that Chicago, Deep Purple and Yes are finally inducted next year. I would certainly be okay with an induction of The Spinners also.


Who should be inducted, in my opinion:

01. Chicago
02. Yes
03. Deep Purple
04. The Cars
05. The Spinners
06. Chaka Khan

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 02:55am


Ben,

The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominating Committee had switched the venue from Los Angeles to New York. That was quite a surprise. From this list of nominees, I will be easily voting for: Yes, Deep Purple, Chicago, The Cars and The Spinners.

I am very disappointed that neither The Moody Blues, nor the Electric Light Orchestra, nor Duran Duran, nor Sade, nor Carly Simon were even nominated. I do sincerely appreciate your support of those artists, however.

Who do I think will be inducted?

Nine inch Nails
Yes
Chicago
The Spinners
The Cars
Chaka Khan

I am extremely surprised to see Los Lobos on this list.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 03:03am


(sigh) I really am not looking forward to posting this since predicting a class from this list is going to suck, but...here we go:

1-5 Minimum:

1. N.W.A (The Hall didn't induct the Moody Blues or King Crimson in time, and the subsequent prog rock backlog got worse and worse. The Hall didn't induct T. Rex or Roxy Music in time, and the subsequent post-British Invasion alternative backlog got worse and worse. The Hall didn't induct Kraftwerk or Depeche Mode in time, and the subsequent electronic music backlog got worse and worse. Failing to induct N.W.A will result in immediate issues with 2Pac becoming eligible next year, and the resulting backlog will include bigger snubs like 2Pac, Notorious B.I.G., Jay-Z, Eminem, Dr. Dre solo, Kanye West, and possibly OutKast and Missy Elliot. Even with their newfound popularity, this is still a bitter pill, but the Hall needs to swallow it NOW.)

2. Chicago (With a plethora of classic rock bands coming in fresh this year, it's nigh on impossible to imagine a ballot with none of them on it, so of the possible candidates, Chicago may easily be the best possible pick of the bunch, not only because it would be a solid 70s pick, but because of the prospect of Peter Cetera reuniting with them for the subsequent induction.)

3. Yes (On the subject of prog rock, not inducting Yes while Chris Squire was alive is one of the biggest black eyes the Hall has going into this year, especially considering how badly they've handled prog rock. Look for a Squire tribute and possibly even Geddy Lee (if not the whole of Rush) performing with a reunited Yes line-up (something Squire wanted before he died) to sweeten the pot. No doubt Enigmaticus would be pleased.)

4. Deep Purple (If the shake-up in the committees translates to a shake-up of the voting block, then Deep Purple is going in. Like with N.W.A and Yes, Blackmore reuniting with them would help the idea of their induction, and it may win some favor back from the metal heads whom the Hall had fallen out of favor of.)

5. Los Lobos (I was simply not prepared for them being nominated, and neither was anyone else not named KING. That being said, the wiser money would be to say they aren't getting in, but between their great reviews, their strong resume, and their still-going relevance, I have a feeling an upset is in the cards.)

The sixth inductee:

6. Janet Jackson (Even with the Hall actively against her it seems, the amount of people who may give her the time of day is out of the Hall's hands, and with a range of people who give her props from Tom Morello to Joni Mitchell to Beyonce and Jay-Z to P!nk, Janet's going to have a solid groundswell of support, and with the backing of #InductJanet, that may be more than enough.

7-8 (The hall's max number, but likely not getting in yet):

7. Nine Inch Nails (As much as I can imagine a Stevie Ray Vaughn/Paul Butterfield situation causing fans of both NIN and the Smiths to pool together and get them both in, there's a small doubt for me that they'll get it. If the retool of the Hall of Fame leads to more than six inductees, NIN would be the seventh.

8. The Smiths (I'd want to say Chic, but this list is horrifying for them - competing with Chaka Khan AND the Spinners? I don't wish that on anyone. That being said...)

Of a special note:

X. The J.B.'s (It's almost too easy to imagine the Hall trying to backdoor them through as a sidemen inductee, because if Chic can't pull an induction, how are they going to?)

Posted by SotN on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 04:21am


So I guess I'm not a Rockist altogether anyway. I like the Spinners quite a bit. I have their Gr Hits. I was playing it in the Car. I play all the nominees I own after an announcement.

I don't predict them to go in though. I would love them too. I think Janet Jackson and Chaka Khan will get more Votes. True some of the Older Voters will Vote for the Spinners. Overall though they may fall short.

Zuzu,
You said Somewhere that the Spinners are good but real great. Could It be I'm Falling and One of a Kind Love Affair are great but there is also tunes like Love Don't Love Nobody. What is that? I like their Top Ten Hits. So based on hearing the Whole Gr Hits I know they aren't perfect. They did some great tunes and they did some bad tunes. Many artists are like that true. I'm just saying it indicates a weaker Catalog than others. It's just my opinion of their tunes as far as the Spinners.

So Zuzu can you suggest any Chaka Khan to listen to. That means that you are not a Rockist. My Fav bands are Rock. That don't mean I'm a Rockist. By the way that disco craze was out of control back in the 70s. I did like some fine R&B like Earth Wind and Fire and recall some Chaka Khan and there is some Teddy Pendergrass that I didn't mind. This is from a guy that loves his Neil Young Eric Clapton and Allman Brothers stuff. My fav band is the Who. A Brit band. Sorry. I dig plenty of Americans. My focus here is R&B

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 05:34am


Ben,

What I was trying to say about the Spinners was that their music was not bad. They were doing something similar to what a lot of other vocal groups had been doing. They were still doing in the 70s what had been done in the 60s. They didn't do anything that made them stand out from the crowd.

Isn't that what an artist should do to be considered for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They should stand out from the crowd and not blend in.

I don't object to r&b artist but I think the ideology that r&r came out of r&b instead of the blues and that r&b equals r&r is completely off base. The anything goes philosophy is wrong. None of the genres do it. Somebody is doing something wrong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

By the way my first slow dance was to Betcha By Golly Wog which is r&b.

I think there is an oversaturation r&b and Motown. When you get to that point you are no longer putting in the best. you are now putting in mediocre artist. I think this is one of two main reasons that r&b artist are not getting the votes. The other is that some of them have absolutely no connection to r&r.

I'm not opposed to the Brits. I'm just sick and tired of their glorification while the North American bands are getting bashed.

I know Chaka Khan from singles. She did I'm Every Woman and Feel for You. There is the duet with Peter Cetera, Feels Like Heaven and she was also featured on Steve Winwood's Higher Love.

I do like some r&b but I am not really into it. I am more into rock, outlaw country, folk and blues. (I'm from Chicago - you either like the blues here or go crazy.) I also like music that merges elements of any or all of those 4. I also get into a lot of various ethnic folk.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 06:34am


The Claw,

You are thinking of the Chandler case which occurred in 93 and never went to trial. I am referring to the Arvizo case which did go to trial. There was the documentary which included Arvizo where Jackson talked about sleeping inthe same bed as children. The trial had witnesses that talked about several different children. Macaulay Culkin testified on Jackson's behalf. After the trial it made Jackson look more suspicious when he left the country.

Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old 2nd cousin - not his niece. Loretta Lynn was married at 15. The Roosevelts were 5th cousins. Although we look at it differently today, what Lewis did was completely legal and not uncommon for that area or time. I actually met somebody that was married when they were 13 around the same time as the Lewis marriage. Michael Jackson was brought to trial for a serious crime - the rape of a child.

Micheal Jackson revered or did the family spend enough money trying to clean up history. The Voice tried having something about Michael Jackson a couple of years ago. It really didn't go over very well. Maybe the Jackson family is not as well thought of as you think. media hype is not the same as the mood of the general public.

I know of only 2 artists that cite Janet Jackson as an influence and that is for dancing. I see a lot of the contestants do songs by r&b female artist but none of them are Janet Jackson's. If anything I would say Whitney Houston is the most revered.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 08:02am


http://fox8.com/2015/10/08/nominees-announced-for-2016-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-induction/

Chicago is winning the FOX NEWS Cleveland poll too!! Greg Harris interview.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 08:15am


Why would the Rock Hall have a list of 15 potential nominees to only induct 5 performers? This makes NO sense given this will only create a back catalogue of artists that will be continually be snubbed. Go back to 6, if not 7 performers for the 2016 ceremony. This seems troubling given this is a classic rock heavy ballot; this would only allow maybe 2-3 of them to have a fair shot. I think Yes and Chicago are foregone conclusions this year for classic rock. I think the 3rd shot could be Cheap Trick or Steve Miller (Band). Janet Jackson, N.W.A./Chic (one of the two), Janet Jackson and Nine Inch Nails have a better shot than the others this year.

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 11:43am


Who will be nominated in 2017?
we all know that Pearl Jam is certain to be Nominated and inducted next year
if Chicago The Cars Cheap Trick Deep Purple Yes and Steve Miller all get inducted this year I could see a repeat nomination for either Bon Jovi or The Cure or a first-time nomination for someone like The Moody Blues or ELO
if Chaka Khan and Janet Jackson both get inducted this year I could see a first-time nomination for either Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey or a female rocker like Pat Benatar
If NWA gets inducted this year it will open the door for 2Pac getting a first-year nomination though I could see another nomination for LL Cool
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if Nine Inch Nails get inducted this year it will open the door for Pearl Jam next year and Radiohead in 2018 though I could see first-time nominations for Soundgarden Jane`s Addiction Alice In Chains and The Smashing Pumpkins in the next few years

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 13:13pm


The fact that they have already stated that they will only induct 5 performers makes me think that they already have a Ringo type back door induction ready to go this year. Who will get the honor of the inside back door induction (or 2nd induction) like Ringo did?

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 13:30pm


Classic Rock,

He said 5 and if it shades close then possibly a little bit higher. at about the 2:20 mark on the Fox 8 Cleveland interview.

To me it sounds like it could be maybe 6 or 7 if the numbers are close. Maybe the problem is that they are not putting up nominations that generate enough close votes.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 13:55pm


Maybe they're gonna actually induct 6, with the 5 top vote getters, plus Chic (who we all know isn't gonna have the votes to beat out the likes of Janet Jackson, N.W.A., Chicago, Deep Purple, and Cheap Trick.

That may be why they're only "gonna induct 5."


Although Greg Harris did say that if it's a close call in the votes, they might induct more than 5. I really hope that's the case, because I think it would be an epic disaster for the Hall to go back to only inducting 5 artists per year again. That's who they built up such a huge backlog. And it would be unfathomable to go back that route, especially this year with such a strong ballot of nominees.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 14:13pm


There is a HUGE backlog of deserving Classic R&B acts, too. Just as much as in other genres in fact...and more than in most.

I don't have to go through the list again...but I will...just to prove to you I'm not lying.

DIONNE WARWICK
JR.WALKER & THE ALL STARS
THE DOMIMOES
MARY WELLS
THE MARVELETTES
THE POINTER SISTERS
GENE CHANDLER
JOHNNIE TAYLOR
JOE SIMON
BARRY WHITE
LOU RAWLS
THE SPINNERS
THE WHISPERS
THE DRAMATICS (they were recently INTERVIEWED at the Rock Hall, the interview is on YouTube....but no nomination
CHUCK JACKSON
HAROLD MELVIN & THE BLUE NOTES
JERRY BUTLER
BEN E. KING
THE INTRUDERS
THE STYLISTICS
DON CORNELIUS
THE CHI-LITES
THE DELFONICS
ASHFORD & SIMPSON
WHITFIELD & STRONG
THE ORIGINAL JAMES BROWN BAND (NOT JUST THE LATER UNIT, THE J.B.'s)
NATALIE COLE
WHITNEY HOUSTON
THE FUNK BROTHERS
THE BLOSSOMS (not just Darlene Love)
THE BELMONTS (Doo-Wop)

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 16:13pm


@ Bill G.

If you want to go into 80's R&B, I'd also say that Luther Vandross, Anita Baker, and Sade (if they count as R&B) are pretty big snubs too.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 16:16pm


Zuzu,

I just want to correct myself and clarify. I think You said the Spinners are Good but NOT real great. I agree with You that a bunch of their Music was not bad. Although I've heard some clunkers. I agree that they don't stand out from the Crowd. Of course that don't seem to bother the Hall anymore. I do think They'll fall short on Votes though as compared to Janet Jackson for instance. I see an induction for Chaka Khan too. I only Own I Feel For You. That's why asked about other tunes.

Just like you I like some R&B but I am much more into Rock. I own every cd from The Who. I own most of the ones from Neil Young and Lots and lots of Eric Clapton. I own hundreds of cds from So many Rock artists. I have a very small R&B collection in contrast. I do like Chicago a lot. I have spoken about the Moody Blues. I like all the Classic Rock artists in some way this year. A bit less on Cheap Trick.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 18:20pm


Ben,

I never did get the adoration for Cheap Trick. I don't see why they are considered so influential either. Rockford isn't that far from Chicago and when I see or read about local reaction to Chicago, all I can do is shake my head. I really don't hear anything locally. Part of it could be that most of the other local artist came on the scene a lot earlier than they did.

I'm very well versed on folk. It comes from all the time I spent at camp and day camp. My grade school friends were into rock and some were into r&b. Most of my high school friends were into rock - Beatles, Elton John and Chicago. A few of them were in competition to see who had the most complete collections.

Personally I like Chicago, Reo, Fleetwood Mac, Styx, John Mellancamp, Muddy Waters, Steve Goodman, James Taylor and Melanie. There are several others that I like too.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 20:04pm



Bill G.

Right on The Spinners. They deserve to be inducted. These guys made some of the classic 70's songs. Rubberband Man, I'll Be Around, Could it be...etc. This is such an amazing ballot. Chicago would be a lock with their number of hits, love of the voters,and ravenous fan base. I'm hoping Deep Purple too. Love listening to Burn and Hush again this week. You wonder if The Cars & Cheap Trick cancel each other out. They arrived about the same time. Had great early success in late 1970's and early 80's. Will continue to monitor this. Steve Miller probably a Wild Card since his longevity spans 1960's to today. Will pick up votes from a variety of artists. I thought Nine Inch Nails would be a lock this year. This amazing 2015 list will make it difficult for NIN to make it. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 21:28pm


Zuzu,

That's why said a bit less on Cheap Trick. I only Own Budokhan. No use for the Others. I have great doubt they will get enough Votes. When You think of great Rock bands they are not the first band you think of. Nor are they one of those great Under rated bands. There are just there.
I'm confused what You said. Did you mean Local reaction to Cheap Trick?

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 22:22pm


"Philip

You are a good evaluator of music. Do you think this is the Best 15 RRHOF Nominees list that you can remember? You can make a case 10 or 12 groups could get voted in. Enig's Prog list thought Moody Blues would make nomination. The Moody Blues will be good bet in 2016-2017 if Chicago, Deep Purple, YES, all get inducted. I thought NIN & N.W.A. would be sure things but this list of nominees is so good. Steve Miller or The Spinners could slide and take a spot away. Just love this list. KING"

KING,

It really depends on your metric. For my personal taste, I'm okay to pretty good with this one. Other than Yes, there's no act on here that I really hate (though I'm not fully researched on a couple), and other than the Spinners, none that I absolutely love. As far as merits go, I've been kind of considering it, but I've got a lot of personal issues on my plate right now. Just a sample of that plate: the little lady's grandfather passed away after a 4 month or so battle with cancer. So, yeah. You'll excuse me if I don't give this hobby the full weight that you guys are right now.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 23:23pm


Those who are saying that The Spinners are not exceptional are, by their own admission, not R&B fans anyway, so I don't expect you to give an unbiased neutral opinion.
And that's OK.
Because everybody is not going to be a fan of every genre of music.
I myself, am not, for the most part, a fan of Rock, either. I didn't grow up with it ,nor did most of my friends and peers. I was not a fan of it, and I pretty much thought that self-contained bands were boring.
I relished vocal groups . tight harmonies. Exciting choreography. Great showmanship. THAT was my thing, and as a singer in numerous vocal groups myself,THAT was my cup of tea, what I aspired to. I thought that guitars and other instruments just slowed you down.
What a lot of you don't realize is that many of the members of classic R&B groups boast members that are exceptional instrumentalists...that are proficient in many different musicial instruments.
they simply DIDN'T WANT TO play them onstage. Why? because it would detract from THE EXPERIENCE.
Example: James Brown was a multi-instrumentalist...and a very good one . But , do you really think people would prefer seeing him onstage playing the guitar, drums, or keyboards ? Or doing his dymanic singing and dancing with The Famous Flames ?
I rest my case.
My point is this: everybody has their thing: the type of music and genre of artists that they like better that other styles of music and artists.
So, I don't expect people who grew up with Rock to like , or feel the same way that I do about R&B. I grew up with it . I was a part of that era . The Spinners and other Classic R&B artists were what I GREW UP ON, AND LEARNED TO SING TO.
Just because you DIDN'T grow up on it, or happen to like it ,doesn't mean it doesn't have merit .
...Because, a LOT of people DO like The Spinners and their music...and happen to think that they're quite exceptional, indeed. And , this may SHOCK you...but many of their fans are White, as well as Black. You don't HAVE to like them. But give them their props. They deserve it.
And, remember this...It's called the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
NOT the ROCK Hall of Fame.
...there's a difference.
R&B is a legitimate branch of Rock and Roll. In fact (as I've said many times before) It's one of its PROGENITORS.
R&B Artists such as The Spinners definitely belong in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame
Whether you may personally LIKE them...
or NOT.

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 03:20am


Ben,

Local reaction is twofold. I haven't found much in my research on local groups but like I said Cheap Trick came later. Everybody in Chicago is so interconnected. According to Joe Mantegna everybody knew everybody. This is a large part of the reason Chicago was influential before they recorded a record. Some of this guys lived pretty close to each other to boot.

Everybody I knew cared about Chicago. One of the kids I went to high school with lived in the same neighborhood as Peter Cetera. You mentioned Chicago and they were bouncing off the walls with excitement. Two of the kids I hung around with lived to the neighborhood to the west. Nobody talked about Cheap Trick.

Skip Haynes coyly mentions CTA being one of the bands they saw at the clubs. All of the garage bands seem to keep in touch and support each other. I find no interaction for Cheap Trick. Pretty much the same goes for Smashing Pumpkins. So I don't see how either can be thought of as more influential than Chicago.

Just a note:

Joe Mantegna was in a local band called The Apocryphals. he was also in a couple of rock musicals, Hair and Godspell. I saw him in Godspell when I was in high school.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 07:53am


Well said Bill G.!

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 10:19am


Many Thanks, Donnie .

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 11:18am


Bill G,

I do not see anyway that you and I can ever see eye to eye on what genre r&r developed out of. I I feel that you are as solidly entrenched in the ideology that r&r developed out of r&b as I am that both r&r and r&b developed out of the blues and had influences on each other. Over the decades they have had times they were almost melded together and times they were cut off from each other. It is the blues that brings us all together.



By your own admission you know little about rock and are only an r&b enthusiast. You don't think that makes you biased? To some degree or another all of us have biases. Not one of us knows everything. All of us have a different perspective and bring different bits of info to the table. Nobody knows it all.


I have nothing against vocal groups. If you knew more about 70s rock you might be aware that better musicianship was not the only driving force. It was not all about hard rock and guitar solos. You had influence and fusion coming from folk and country. Both used harmonies and that influence showed up in a lot of 70s rock. The early 70s had a lot of r&b connections. It was with disco that there was a huge severance of ways.

For the record I personally would love to see

Chicago
Chaka Khan
Steve Miller
Nine Inch Nails
Los Lobos

Out of the r&b artists this year the Spinners would be second on my list. I'm not cheering for them but considering the nominees this year, I would be ok with them being one of the r&b artist to be nominated.

When I say they don't stand out I was talking about standing out from other vocal groups. I had to look them up to see what songs they recorded. By comparison I didn't need to look up 5th Dimension songs. I remembered their songs and I remember that they were the ones that sang those songs. There music was a part of my preteen and teen years. Add to that i have read that Marilynn McCoo was well regarded as a vocalist.

When I bring up Steve Goodman I can back it up with over 80 artist have covered one of his songs, 5 at least in a language other than English. I can bring up people who say he was an influence, people he worked with and people that have covered his music. I can point out that artist from different genres, Etta James and Trisha Yearwood have both covered A Lover Is Forever, a song he co-wrote with Fred Knobloch.

I am open to hearing arguments for the Spinners. Like I said nobody knows it all. I just need to have something substantive to change my mind. A rant about how much you enjoy them or a statement that can't be backed up or check is not going to convince me.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 11:47am


With all due respect, Zuzu, I would hypothesize the reason you had to look up the Spinners' songs is because you aren't such an R&B enthusiast, by your own admission. Also, if you listened to Oldies stations, you were going to hear the Fifth Dimension more than the Spinners, as they were happy to trot out that overplayed horse "Aquarius" way too much, and MAYBE "Up, Up, And Away." Fwiw, I prefer Spanky And Our Gang to the Fifth Dimension. Their vocal harmonic structures are similar, but their style was preferable to me.

Oldies stations were always a little shy with vocal R&B in the '70s. Living in Michigan, our Oldies stations laid on the Motown waaaaaayyyyy too heavy and left no room for other R&B... even Aretha and James didn't get a whole lot of love (Seriously, when I lived in Lansing, there were some hours of programming where literally every other song was Motown). And when they did have '70s soul, it was usually the O'Jays. By the mid '00's, when Oldies stations went much more '70s, you definitely started hearing the Spinners more... "It's A Shame," "I'll Be Around," even "Cupid" and "Working My Way Back To You" started getting programmed. Now, Sirius is the only place you'll hear Oldies.

Point being, if you're not into it to begin with, you weren't going to be passively bombarded by them, but that doesn't mean they aren't worthy of the Hall. As for "standing out," I'll repeat, they did stand out inasmuch they didn't sound like other R&B groups of that time. With their bass-thumping, rhythmic grooves, they clearly did not sound like the Delfonics, the Stylistics, Chi-Lites, Moments, Dramatics, Persuaders, etc.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 13:20pm


Philip,

With all due respect, I didn't need a history lesson to know who the 5th Dimension was and what their music was. I was listening to the radio when their music came out.

If you wanted to listen to 60s r&b you listened to a dusties station, not a oldies station in the 70s. We had both here in Chicago.

What part of VOCAL GROUP do you not understand? I said nothing about r&b in general. What part of give me something substantive and not rants did you not comprehend?

Chi-Lites are a Chicago group so I am familiar with them and know a couple of their songs. I remember Oh Girl and Have You Seen Her playing on the top 40s stations when they came out.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 13:40pm


I'm not trying to change your mind about anything, I'm just saying you had to look them up because you didn't care for that general style anyway. You know who the 5D are mainly because of "Aquarius."

Also, your Chicagoan status is also a big hindrance for you. Just as being a Michigander means Motown was unavoidable, it also meant other stuff didn't filter through as well. The first thing that needs to go is the subjectivity of your life experiences and local color.

Again, not making any argument or lecture. Just observations.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 13:49pm


I didn't need to look it to know and have heard the following 5th Dimension songs when it came out.

Go Where You Wanna Go
Up, Up and Away
Stoned Soul Picnic
Wedding Bell Blues
I Didn't Get to Sleep at All
One Less Bell to Answer

And of course Aquarius


They were on TV quite a bit in the late 60s and early 70s as well as on the radio.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 13:52pm


Philip

Put up or shut up.

Give me info or don't bother me. That is what I asked for. Your rants do not make you look good.

All I can gather is that you just happen to like the Spinners and have nothing to back-up your mouth.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 13:58pm


And the Spinners rose to prominence after most of those songs had pretty much faded away to "dusties" stations.

Although, I would argue that just because you had to look them up shouldn't necessarily be a handicap either. When Jersey Boys took to Broadway, one of the most common reactions when journalists interviewed people coming out of the theater was along the lines of, "I never realized the Four Seasons recorded so many songs I know and love!" If you know and love the songs, that's what it's about, honoring artists for their music.

And if you didn't know the songs, well, then it's just an experience you haven't had yet. Just because you had to make it happen rather than you being able to sit back and have it happen to you (not to be taken out of context, thank you), doesn't necessarily diminish an artist's worth either. Just ask any advocate of '80's post-punk, lol.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 14:07pm


Zuzu,

I'm not ranting, I'm not arguing (all that much anyway), and I'm not trying to be a teacher. I told you: these are just observations I'm making. Stop taking it so personal. I'm not trying to do anything right now, other than kill some time discussing music. Chill.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 14:15pm


A few thoughts:

Ben, Cheap Trick is an awesome rock group who often gets overlooked. I’m glad to see them finally get the Rock Hall ballot and receive a nomination. I think they might be a dark horse for induction this year because they are garnering a lot of support. It helps that Stevie Van Zandt lobbied for them. Also, Cheap Trick, IMO, is one of the best live rock groups and one of the reasons why they are so respected in the rock community. Listen to their live albums and you'll understand why they are a very Rock Hall worthy band.

Bill G, thanks for supporting the Spinners and R&B/Soul in general. It is nice you are the voice of reason in a message board filled with sometimes ridiculous observations. The Spinners are one of the great soul acts of the 1970s and super influential. Besides the O’Jays who were inducted back in 2005, the Spinners personified the Philadelphia Sound. What I find more troubling is that the last couple of years, the Rock Hall has nominated a slew of worthy soul artists who stand little chance to bigger-named rock acts. As much as I like the Spinners, I don’t see them having much a chance this year. I really want to be wrong here but I’m being realistic. Anyone denying the Spinners’ legacy is only fooling themselves.

Zuzu, read Bill G’s comments on various boards here, he KNOWS what he’s talking about and he backs that up with evidence almost every time. He can school any of us who doubts the influence soul/R&B had on the development of rock music. On a side note, we’re all bias when we talk about our favorite artists and genres. I prefer rock music but I greatly enjoy and appreciate soul/R&B music. To be quite honest Zuzu I’m not really sure what you’re point is on The Spinners. You’re asking Phillip to elaborate on something that I’m still puzzled about its meaning.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 14:28pm


Thanks very much for the kind words, Nick !!

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 15:18pm


"I am open to hearing arguments for the Spinners. Like I said nobody knows it all. I just need to have something substantive to change my mind. A rant about how much you enjoy them or a statement that can't be backed up or check is not going to convince me."
I am not trying to convince you of anything . I am simply saying that you should show some respect to the favorites and opinions of others that may not necessarily agree with yours.
The fact that you don't KNOW much about The Spinners doesn't mean that they are not worthy.
They are a long lasting and highly respected vocal group that are very deserving of induction.
If they weren't, they wouldn't have been nominated THREE TIMES .
I don't claim to be a expert on Rock...but you don't see me going around on this site , bashing other people's likes and choices. I defer to those who have greater knowledge about other groups and artists, and respect their opinions.
How can you bash a group that you know nothing about ? So you like classic Rock and you don't like R&B. that's fine.
But bashing other people's choices and favorite genres is childish.
Numerous times on this site,I have said that, if you don't know about an artist, LEARN ABOUT THEM.
...and try to respect the opinions of those who do. If you don't know about a group,how can you criticize and be so vocal about them not being deserving ?
Neil has posted Wikipedia links to every artist on this site. Use it.
Also go to Charles Crossley's excellent "Top Of The Charts" page on the Spinners. You'll learn even more.Or even to the "SoulWalking UK" page on the Spinners. It is also quite good.
Several years ago, I kept hearing from people on this site that RUSH was deserving of induction.
I had never even HEARD of Rush.
But not once did I post on this site that, because I didn't know anything about them, then they could possibly be worthy.
Instead, I made it my business to click on their Wikipedia link and READ ABOUT THEIR HISTORY.
And, once I did, I added my voice to others who said they deserved to be in the Rock Hall.
Maybe you should consider doing the same for the Spinners.You claim that you're open to hearing arguments about the Spinners...but you really aren't . People here are talking ...but You're not listening. So I guess you're really not that open to hearing arguments.
So do your own research. You either will or you won't . It's up to you.But if you really don't want to....Then don't bash or try to influence the opinions of those who did...
That KNOW The Spinners deserve induction.

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 15:19pm


No Hall for The 5th Dimension, but Marilyn McCoo can flat out sing like an angel.

The Spinners were much bigger (on radio) back in 70s than the 5th Dimension ever were. That's generally because they had better songs.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 15:29pm


http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/topic/1736/The-Spinners?page=1
From Charles Crossley's "Top Of The Charts" page on The Spinners:
"The Spinners have been cited as an influence by, have had their songs covered or sampled by, and have collaborated with the following:

Eric Clapton, the Supremes, David Bowie, Elton John, the Four Tops, Public Enemy, James Taylor, Elvis Costello, Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five, Dionne Warwick, Rakim of Eric B. & Rakim, Todd Rundgren, LL Cool J, Doobie Brothers, Hall & Oates, 2Pac, Charles Mingus, Boyz II Men, Jay-Z, Lionel Richie, Bobby Brown, John Hiatt, R. Kelly, Atlantic Starr, Phyllis Hyman, Afghan Whigs, Regina Belle, William Bell, Earl Klugh, Ween, DMX, D'Angelo, Youssou N'Dour, Otis Clay, Mobb Deep, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Lisa Stansfield, Ray Parker, Jr., Phil Perry, Debarge, CeCe Peniston, Freddie Jackson, Rebbie Jackson, Will Downing, Lupe Fiasco, Joan Osborne, Talib Kweli, Monie Love, Full Force, the Family, Tony Orlando & Dawn and Jeffrey Osborne among many others."

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 15:30pm


Tell em, Bill!

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 15:32pm


First of all, I think its great having someone like Bill G. or Enigmaticus on our forum. It's like having our own little subcommittees for certain genres during our Rock Hall Projected voting process.

I've used this site (and the knowledge of my peers here) to learn about a LOT of musicians that I had been unfamiliar with, among them being Joy Division, whom have over the years become one of my all-time favorite groups.

Zuzu, if you're interested in learning about the Spinners, you can use the comments left on their page here, as well as the songs chosen to be in the song project (although sometimes there are artists that are grossly underrepresented, but that's another matter.) If you decide that they're still not worthy after doing your research, then that's all good! Its ultimately beneficial that we all have differing opinions on this site. Having a hive mind on everything would be boring.

I, personally, think that the Spinners are worthy, although I also think that Chicago, Deep Purple, & Yes are among the biggest snubs ever made by the hall. I also don't think Janet Jackson is this giant snub that everyone is making her out to be, especially against the likes of all the artists I've just previously mentioned or uninducted female solo acts like Connie Francis, Lesley Gore, Petula Clark, or Kate Bush. But I understand that a lot of people like her and I know how successful she's been, so I'll live with the fact that she'll probably get in before or at the same time as all those listed above.

I also support the Fifth Dimension, by the way, and while Aquarius may be their most recognizable, (Last Night) I Didn't Get to Sleep at All and Wedding Bell Blues are staples as well. If anyone is looking for an R&B pick for the upcoming Projected vote this week, these guys would be a great pick and I'm totally down for support.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 15:57pm


Thanks, Paul, Steve, and Philip.

I think that's it's very important to keep this site positive and focusing on ALL different artists and subdivisions of Rock and Roll....not just one.
...it's only fair.

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 16:39pm


I have advocated the Spinners in the past. I actually thought they would be Inducted last Year. I was wrong last Year. The Hall went with Bill Withers as an Old R&B choice. Some of their songs are great. My Fav is Could It Be I'm Falling. I do however feel that Janet Jackson And Chaka Khan will get more Votes. There is of course that pathetic Chic thing. The Spinners are wayyyy better than them.

I'm not a huge Fan. I own their Gr Hits. Some are clunkers like Sadie. Other tunes I love. I feel they will get in but in a different Year. There's a lot of Classic Rock and the other R&B I said. It's a matter of Votes. Other Nominees will get more Votes I think. I own the Gr Hits so clearly I like them somewhat. I feel they will be passed up as a prediction. I happen to like them more than Janet Jackson. I would never desire to own an album by her.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 18:01pm


I agree its pathetic, Chic should have been in a decade ago.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 18:13pm


Exactly. It's pathetic how they are treating a genius like Nile Rodgers.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 18:29pm


My favorite song by each of the nominees:

The Cars - Touch and Go
Chaka Khan - I'm Every Woman
Cheap Trick - Dream Police
Chic - Good Times
Chicago - Beginnings
Deep Purple - Knocking At Your Back Door
The J.B.'s - Take away James Brown songs and no idea
Janet Jackson - The Pleasure Principle
Los Lobos - La Bamba (by default)
N.W.A - ?
Nine Inch Nails - Hurt
The Smiths - There is a Light That Never Goes Out
The Spinners - I'll Be Around
Steve Miller - Swingtown
Yes - And You And I

Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 18:36pm


Classic Rock says his favorite Los Lobos song is "La Bamba" (by default), as if that is all to choose from? This is a band that has been playing and releasing music consistently for over three decades. They have released around a dozen albums, several of which are outstanding. KIKO is genius. It is only "by default" because you have chosen not to explore the rest of this rich, diverse, experimental catalogue.

Initially i was happy they got the nomination, and that wpuld enough. But the more people blow their legacy off, the more i hope they actually get in.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 19:55pm


I stopped caring about the RRHOF a while ago, but I feel compelled to join the "Name your favorite songs by the nominees" game. Here are my choices:

The Cars - Good God, how do I choose one song when The Cars are in my top 10 favorite musical acts of all time? Nope, can't do it, so I'll just list my top five favorites in no particular order: Up and Down, A Dream Away, Moving in Stereo, Why Can't I Have You, and Double Life (I love their hits, but as a hardcore Cars fan, I find their deep cuts even more satisfying)

Chaka Khan: I Feel for You

The Spinners: One of A Kind (Love Affair)

Yes: Owner of A Lonely Heart (The 12" extended version, not the original single)

Steve Miller Band: Fly Like An Eagle (I'm not crazy about SMB, but I always liked this song)

The Smiths: How Soon Is Now? (I consider the Smiths fairly overrated, but I do like some of their songs. HSIN is their crowning jewel for me)

Nine Inch Nails: N/A (I need to listen to more of their work before I can make a decision)

The JB's: N/A (Attention Bill G: What songs of theirs not featuring James Brown should I seek out?)

Cheap Trick: Dream Police

Janet Jackson: Nasty (The 12" extended Summer Mix)

Deep Purple: N/A (Not a fan)

NWA: N/A (Ditto, although I actively despise NWA and gangsta rap as a whole)

Chic: N/A (Need to listen to more of their catalog)

Chicago: Questions 67 and 68

Los Lobos: N/A (I may eventually check out some of their non-La Bamba material, but not for a long time. I'm too busy focusing on different 1980s new wave/synth-pop/dark wave/post-punk, 1900s-1920s pop/jazz/cabaret/ragtime, 1970s/'80s soul/funk, and other acts that don't fit into any of the aforementioned genres/styles like Dionne Warwick).

Posted by Zach on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 20:22pm


Zach, nice call on "A Dream Away" for The Cars. Always one of my favorites as well. As I've suggested to others, give the Los Lobos album 'Kiko' a shot. One of my Top 10 favorite albums of all time. It is bursting with creativity and fresh ideas.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 21:04pm


Bill G.
Love The Spinners comments. Definitely deserving for sure.

Philip
Sorry to hear about the grandfather passing. Lost my Dad and grandmother in short span. King prayer to you.

Zach
Some of the best songs by nominees. Cheap Trick-Probably Surrender although I like The Flame & Tonight It's You. Steve Miller-Many hits...I would say Abracadabra. Cool for it's time. Deep Purple-I like Burn. Love the drumming in that one. Love the fast pace in that one. The Cars-Something off the early albums. Just What I Needed fits the bill. Chicago-So many I would probably go with Saturday In The Park. Janet Jackson-Black Cat! That rocks could be metal. I'll do one more. YES-Owner Of A Lonely Heart A brilliant song. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 21:22pm


The Cars - Too many to list. Probably You're All I've Got Tonight though. Their recent Sad Song is great too.

Chaka Khan: Gotta look more into her

The Spinners: Rubberband Man

Yes: Owner of A Lonely Heart probably. Yours is No Disgrace is great too.

Steve Miller Band: Jungle Love or Jet Airliner.

The Smiths: Bigmouth Strikes Again. Love Asleep, These Things Take Time, and many more.

Nine Inch Nails: Hurt as of now. Maybe Terrible Lie on other days

The JB's: No idea, open to suggestions

Cheap Trick: Surrender

Janet Jackson: Rhythm Nation

Deep Purple: Probably Hush or Smoke on the Water. Burn is climbing up though, as is Knocking on your Back Door.

NWA: Straight Outta Compton

Chic: Probably Good Times

Chicago: 25 or 6 to 4, but I like a lot of their work.

Los Lobos: Viking (it was featured in an episode of the Sopranos too, by the way)

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 22:38pm


I’ll Play This Game Too although I’ll admit it’s hard to limit myself to one song per artist:

Chaka Khan: Tell Me Something Good (with Rufus)

Cheap Trick: I Want You to Want Me

Chic: Good Times

Chicago: 25 or 6 to 4

Deep Purple: Highway Star

Janet Jackson: Love Will Never Do (Without You)

Los Lobos: Set Me Free (Rosa Lee)

N.W.A.: Straight Outta Compton

Nine Inch Nails: Head Like a Hole

Steve Miller Band: Jungle Love

The Cars: Moving In Stereo

The J.B.’s: Pass the Peas

The Smiths: Panic

The Spinners: I’ll Be Around

Yes: Long Distance Runaround

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 23:31pm


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog_files/Unusual_Voting_Rock_Hall_Fan_Poll.html

Unusual Voting Activity in the Official Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Fan Poll

(throw it out and start over)

Posted by FRL on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 00:46am


Although I agree that the Rock Hall should abandon the current fan ballot in leu for another one, this won't happen mainly because that would be a PR nightmare for the Rock Hall. Can you imagine if they restarted? The top 5 fans of those bands would lead to an outage and that would then lead to tons of complaining from classic rock fans. My take is to leave the fan ballot as if, and hopefully the Rock Hall learns from their mistakes in future fan ballots.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 01:01am


Ok, I'll play.

The Cars: this is tough. Zach used my "A Dream Away," so I'll go with "Nightspots"

Cheap Trick: "Surrender", it encapsulates what they do best

Chic: "Good Times" works, although I admit to only knowing their hits.

Chaka Khan: "Ain't Nobody"

Deep Purple: "Woman From Tokyo"

Chicago: Anything from Chicago 17. Kidding. I'll go with "Saturday in the Park"

Janet Jackson: "That's the Way Love Goes"

JBs: Juat picked up a hirs collection of theirs and really like it, but not familiar enough to pick a favorite

Los Lobos: "Peace", or the entire Kiko record

NWA:" Straight Outta Compton"

Steve Miller: Since it is just him does it have to be off the ONE album not billed as Steve Miller Band? Kidding. Sorta. "Take the Money and Run"

NIN: Don't have one. I guess "Hurt," but mainly because of what Johnny Cash did with it

Spinners: "I'll be Around", there is a great live version on the When We Were Kings soundtrack

Smiths: "Shoplifters of the World"

Yes: "Changes"

On the poll thing. I don't think it can be fixed this late into it. Fix it for next year. I hope they don't just drop it completely though. It has little impact, but even the token participation for the fan is nice.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 03:36am


"The top 5 fans of those bands would lead to an outage and that would then lead to tons of complaining from classic rock fans."

Maybe that might distract them from complaining about all them colored folk on the ballot for a little while.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 06:33am


Favorite Songs Game:

The Cars: Moving in Stereo

Chaka Khan: I'm Every Woman

Cheap Trick: Reach Out

Chic: Good Times

Chicago: Old Days

Deep Purple: Space Truckin'

Janet Jackson: Rhythm Nation

The J.B.'s: The Grunt, Pt. 1

Los Lobos- A Matter of Time

Nine Inch Nails: The Hand That Feeds

N.W.A.: Straight Outta Compton

The Smiths: How Soon is Now?

The Spinners: I'll Be Around

Steve Miller Band: Threshold/Jet Airliner

Yes: Roundabout

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 06:40am


Now as far as Cheap Trick goes I think They may fall short as far as Votes. I personally like some Cheap Trick. I must admit I don't know their albums too Well. I like and Own Live at Budokhan. I am aware that Steve Van Zant has lobbied for them. It has taken time for Steve Van Zant Bands to go in sometimes. J Geils Band still haven't. I am staying with my prediction of Half Rock and Half R&B. If I'm doing that then I don't feel Cheap Trick will be one of the Inductees. I see the Rock acts this tear being Cars, Chicago and Yes. I see Cheap Trick getting inducted next year or some other year. It's a matter of Votes. A lot of members of the Voting Body nay not agree they have influence as compared to other Rock acts this year.

Deep Purple is an interesting Case. I want to say that I love Deep Purple a lot. I favor the line up with Ian Gillan. Some of the stuff with David Coverdale is Ok. I am so Glad they are back on the Ballot. I think before later Hard Rock bands go in they should. The thing is people like myself are not one of the Voters. I have said that a lot of the later Inductees will likely Vote for them like Steve Tyler and Alice Cooper. The problem is you need Votes of Other kinds of Inductees too. I say Deep Purple have tremendous influence. The thing is it took Black Sabbath many nominations before getting in.

If you consider the R&B thing I say that would block Deep Purple. I'm not putting much in the Fan base poll in the Rock Hall. It seems bogus at this point. I would say sadly Janet Jackson may get in before Deep Purple. Chaka Khan I predict too and she deserves an induction. My full support of Deep Purple does not hinder my Predictions. I may seem Rockist with my support of them as compared to Deep Purple nonetheless. So I am saying that I'm fine and pleased with an Induction of Chaka Khan.

It's like I said I feel The Inductees will be all Classic but not just Rock. You may notice I don't think NWA go in this year. That's because there is so Much Classic Rock and Classic R&B this year. By the was I won't play the Song game because I'm not into every single artist this year. I'll give 4. The Cars-Dangerous Type Chicago-Make Me Smile Deep Purple-Highway Star Yes- Yours is No Disgrace. I am undecided or don't know the other artists enough.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 06:56am


As a classic rock fan I am surprised by this amount of bias towards classic rock on the official fan poll I can see a band like Chicago getting a lot of fan support for all of the obvious reasons (large fan base, long list of hit albums and singles) but Steve Miller Band with more than double the vote total of Janet Jackson? Something's wrong with that.

Personally I'll admit that I've voted often in the fan poll (about once a day) but unlike the current totals I've put forth an ecumenical (SAT word of the day) ballot. After a lot of hemming and hawing I voted for Chicago and Yes because they are two of my favorite bands of all time that aren't already in the Hall. However I also voted for The Spinners, N.W.A., and Janet Jackson because they need to be in the Hall. These five would be perfect for this year's class as it would satisfy fanbases of multiple genres as follows:

Chicago- Classic Rock
Janet Jackson- Modern R&B and Dance pop
N.W.A.- Rap (they need to get the ball rolling before the major 90's acts show up to the party)
The Spinners- Classic R&B/Soul
Yes-Prog Rock (and would probably make some Hard Rock fans happy too)

I'll have more thoughts on this year's nominees list in a few days.

Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 07:15am


Phillip, very sorry to hear of your Grandfather's passing.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 07:34am


List of my favorite songs:

The Cars: My Best Friend's Girlfriend
Chaka Khan: N/A (need to get familiar with her)
Cheap Trick: Surrender
Chic: Good Times
Chicago: 25 or 6 to 4
Deep Purple: A Gypsey's Kiss
The JBs: N/A (need to get familiar with them)
Janet Jackson: Rhythm Nation
Los Lobos: N/A (need to get familiar with them)
NWA: F*ck Da Police
Nine Inch Nails: Head Like a Hole
The Smiths: Bigmouth Strikes Again
The Spinners: They Just Can’t Stop it, the (Games People Play)
Steve Miller: The Joker
Yes: Long Distance Runaround

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 07:54am


Bill G.,


Thank you for voting for Rush those many years ago. On the official ballot, I had voted for The Spinners, The Cars, and of course, the three prog acts (Yes, Chicago and Deep Purple).

Tom H.,

I am glad that you had voted for Yes, Chicago and The Spinners.

Philip,

I am so sorry to hear that you hate Yes. Probably, not nearly as much as I detest AC/DC, or N.W.A., or even as much as I dislike Janet Jackson, as a "pop star." As I have said previously, I do not dislike her acting ability, however.

KING and Philip,

My late grandmother and father had passed away within less than two months of each other. So, I know how just painful losing two family members during the same year is. My most sincere condolences. My only living grandfather had passed away while I was attending the University of Arizona, when I was 19.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 09:01am


Here would be my choices.

The Cars: My Best Friend's Girlfriend
Chaka Khan: Feels Like Heaven (What? Is it cheating to include a duet with Peter Cetera?)
Cheap Trick: I Want You to Want Me
Chic: Everybody Dance
Chicago: Questions 67 & 68
Deep Purple: Child in Time
The JBs: Pass the Peas (I've been saying for years, we need to give peas a chance.)
Janet Jackson: Runaway
Los Lobos: Will the Wolf Survive?
NWA: Express Yourself
Nine Inch Nails: Closer
The Smiths: There Is a Light That Never Goes Out
The Spinners: Rubberband Man
Steve Miller: Swingtown
Yes: Close to the Edge

Posted by PopeCharming on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 09:04am


My favorites from the nominees:

The Cars: Moving in Stereo
Chaka Khan: I Feel For You
Chicago: Does Anybody Really What Time It Is
Cheap Trick: Voices
Deep Purple: Smoke on the Water
Chic: Real People
The J.B.'s: N/A
Janet Jackson: Just a Little While
Los Lobos: La Bamba
NWA: F@$& Tha Police
Nine Inch Nails: The Hand That Feeds
The Smiths: That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore
The Spinners: Could It Be I'm Falling in Love
Steve Miller: Fly Like An Eagle
Yes: The Gates of Delirium

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 09:42am


Paul, Enig, KING, Pope, everyone really:

Thanks for the kind words. Just to clarify, he wasn't my grandfather, he was my fiance's grandfather. I wasn't especially close to him, seeing him really only on the important holidays, but he was the first member of her family to not treat me with suspicion or as a burden. He treated me like a welcome member before just about anyone else in her family. So, that does mean something special to me. But most of the strain and exasperation has been trying to be there for HER. It was about a four month decline (can't really call it a struggle as he pretty much accepted it right away) from bone cancer, and while that's relatively brief, it's a long time for a family who's watching it happen to their loved one. The funeral is tomorrow. Meanwhile, we're trying to keep everything else in life in a proper balance too, because this isn't the only thing on our plates, and the world ain't gonna stop for us. In some ways, keeping up with all of this (including writing a blog entry or two) has been a welcome respite from the anguish for both of us. I do fully intend to comment on the favorite songs bit, but I'll probably do THAT when I do the Personal Taste evaluation of the nominees on RHM.

Again, thanks for all your kind words, thoughts, and prayers.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 10:15am


Chicago will perform Beginnings, Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is, Saturday In The Park or 25 Or 6 To 4 at the induction ceremony. Or maybe they should just perform the 13-minute Ballet For A Girl In Buchannon instead.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 12:03pm


Any chance Janet Jackson and Chicago won't be inducted in 2016? Chicago would be the first act to win the Rock Hall fan poll, but not be inducted.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 12:05pm


To FRL

It's not true. You can still vote in the Rock Hall fan poll. You just have to keep pressing on the place your vote icon at the bottom of the page until the results show.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 12:34pm


Who the hell is Troy Smith and why does he think this could be Chicago's last chance at induction?

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 12:47pm


http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/10/chicago_and_yes_fans_produce_r.html

Chicago and Yes fans produce record numbers for 2016 Rock Hall Fan Vote

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 14:04pm



Bill G,

I did intend to offend you and apologize that what I said did. I did go to Wiki. That is where I found their songs listed. I realize from my own research on Chicago and other Chicago area artist that actually finding info can take some work and time to dig up something useful. Thank you for the info and leads.

Paul in KY,

We both could be right about which played more. Where you lived in the 70s could make a difference. Forgotten Hits will sometimes put up radio surveys from different cities for the same week. It is interesting to see how different they could be. Also it could make a difference if you were listening to a top 40s station vs a r&b station. If you look on wiki you will see. that sometimes the pop #s are higher than the r&b #s. According to Wiki 5th Dimension appeared on TV about 15 times in 4 years. Based on my personal experience I heard them more on the radio. Your experiences were obviously different.

Steve Z,

Thanks for the additional source.

You may want to also consider Patsy Cline for your list of long snubbed women. She broke barriers for women across all genres by being a headliner in a era when women needed a man to cosign to get a loan. About 40 years after her death she made the Guiness Book of World Records by having the longest run on the charts for an album by a women.

I came across a tidbit on an album by the 5th Dimension. Magic Garden was considered a concept album. Their music is also described as having elements of pop, r&b, soul, jazz, light opera and Broadway. Maybe Enigmaticus could let us know if they could be considered prog adjacent.

I also remembered another song of theirs I liked, Love's Lines, Angles and Rhymes.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 14:14pm


Zusu,

Agree The 5th Dimension were on TV more. Good point about what station you listened to.

Enig would think 5th Dimension were Prog. they did have some proggy outfits they wore.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 14:42pm


Now you have to wait 24 hours between each vote you place.

Thanks for voting! You can vote again in 24 hours for your favorite 2016 nominees!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 15:55pm


Since we were on the Subject of R&B I will mention some Past R&B Inductees I like and Own things from. I don't l like them as much as Most Rock Artists but I do own some. Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Isley Brothers, Sam & Dave, Al Green, Earth Wind & Fire. Those are some. I like the Spinners to a degree but not as much as Those. I am not sure if they are as Influential as those. I do know they will get in at some point. They do have some memorable tunes. I think they may fall short this year. It's up to the Voters. I am a Rock Fan. That is not bad for a Rock fan

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 16:05pm


Bill G.,

That should read I did not intend to offend you.

Paul,

Ben and I had been talking about that. Alliotta, Haynes and Jeremiah's Lake Shore Drive was huge around here. It wasn't until recently that I found out that it was only a regional hit. I think a lot of the garage bands were regional too, since there were several I had never heard of.

So their outfits are proggy huh. Just when I think I got I don't.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 17:25pm


FRL Fans & Regulars

I'm curious who you would say are the best 5 singers in this 2015 RRHOF Nominee class. My dad use to sing on the corner with friends in the 50's when the Doo Wop sound was big. He liked Sha Boom by the Crew Cuts. I'm Big vocalist fan of The Association and those vocal groups. Tough to pick a FAV but Robin Zander Cheap Trick underrated. Always enjoyed David Coverdale's power and range. Like his Whitesnake songs. Is This Love? In The Still Of The Night. Can't forget Peter Cetera. Excellent voice! Steve Miller could sing as well. FRL fans...Who are your FAV vocalists from this nominee class? I've always believed a great singer enhances a band. Most of the RRHOF bands had dynamic front men who were excellent singers. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 18:34pm


I'm partial to Coverdale, Jon Anderson of Yes and Trent Reznor in this list of nominees.

Posted by dmg on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 19:27pm


Chaka Khan has one hell of a voice. When they were on Arsenio Hall to promote their duet Feels Like Heaven, Peter Cetera said that had to get a special mike for her. She would blow the mike when she was belting it out.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 19:34pm


Yeah, Chaka's voice is amazing. I'm also partial to Morrissey, but I know that everything about him, including his voice, is polarizing. I like this strange recent cover choice of his:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1KKhZ80GDQ

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 20:00pm


Who would Los Lobos hurt? Who would have to not be inducted in order for Los Lobos to be inducted? Do you think the voters will continue to pass on N.W.A, Nine Inch Nails, Deep Purple, Yes, Chic, The Spinners?

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 21:05pm


Coverdale and Hughes will be inducted with Deep Purple. They are mentioned in the Rock Hall bio.

Best 5 Singers on the Ballot

01. Peter Cetera
02. Chaka Khan
03. Robin Zander
04. Ric Ocasek
05. Robert Lamm

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 21:12pm


Los Lobos = this year's Jimmy Cliff??

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 21:34pm


From this year's 15 nominees there are only two who are definitely going to be inducted in 2016, and those would be Chicago and Janet Jackson.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 21:39pm


I was thinking Paul Butterfield Blues Band, but Jimmy Cliff works too.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 21:39pm


That's a compliment, by the way.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 21:45pm


The voters passed on Rufus with Chaka Khan. Will they pass on Chaka Khan?

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 21:46pm


Roy: My opinion on who Los Lobos being inducted would hurt?

I'd say Nine Inch Nails. While the other options are weakened either by vote-split (Chic and the Spinners), by competing against a whole genre (Janet Jackson) or by their own music (N.W.A), NIN has the worst situation: they already got pushed back a year and don't have the protection of being a first-ballot inductee (even though they should have been), are competing against the Smiths who are not equal enough to cause a guaranteed Stevie Ray Vaughn/Paul Butterfield situation but not minor enough to avoid vote-split, and unlike N.W.A who can lead to a big situation down the line (competing against a plethora of artists inspired by them, including one of their own members), Nine Inch Nails doesn't have as much competition down the line (Radiohead would be the most likely one, and I can see NIN getting in with Pearl Jam before that has a chance to happen, whereas N.W.A would have to wait longer), so they could be seen as briefly expendable.

Posted by SotN on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 22:07pm


The voters have passed in the past on the Spinners, Chic, Deep Purple, Yes, Chaka Khan, The Smiths, N.W.A, and Nine Inch Nails. If this continues, then ladies and gentlemen…

THE 2016 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

01. Chicago
02. Janet Jackson
03. Steve Miller
04. Los Lobos
05. Cheap Trick
06. The Cars

But wait a minute, the Paul Butterfield Blues Band was passed on three time before they were inducted on their fourth try. Could that happen to Los Lobos? What about Deep Purple and Yes? Are the American voters on the rock hall committee tired of bands from the British invasion? If not, then ladies and gentlemen

THE 2016 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

01. Chicago
02. Janet Jackson
03. Steve Miller
04. Los Lobos
05. Deep Purple
06. Yes

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 22:11pm


I am up to 8 predictions now for the 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony

Scenario 1: A Pre-1980s All Rock/R&B Bands/Groups Ceremony

01. Chicago
02. The Cars
03. Cheap Trick
04. Deep Purple
05. Yes
06. The Spinners

Scenario 2: If Voters Continue To Ignore Chic, The Spinners, Deep Purple and Yes, and prefer solo acts over bands; this has happened before recently

01. Chicago
02. Steve Miller
03. Chaka Khan
04. Janet Jackson
05. Nine Inch Nails
06. N.W.A

Scenario 3: The Future Rock Legends Poll

01. Chicago
02. Deep Purple
03. Yes
04. Janet Jackson
05. Nine Inch Nails
06. N.W.A

Scenario 4: The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Fan Poll

01. Chicago
02. Deep Purple
03. Yes
04. The Cars
05. Steve Miller
06. Janet Jackson

Scenario 5: Steven Van Zandt

01. Chicago
02. Cheap Trick
03. The Cars
04. Steve Miller
05. Chaka Khan
06. Janet Jackson

Scenario 6: If All Else Fails

01. Chicago
02. Chic
03. The Spinners
04. Janet Jackson
05. Nine Inch Nails
06. N.W.A

Scenario 7: If voters continue to pass on the Spinners, Chic, Deep Purple, Yes, Chaka Khan, The Smiths, N.W.A, and Nine Inch Nails

01. Chicago
02. Janet Jackson
03. Steve Miller
04. Los Lobos
05. Cheap Trick
06. The Cars

Scenario 8: Hating on The Cars and Cheap Trick

01. Chicago
02. Janet Jackson
03. Steve Miller
04. Los Lobos
05. Deep Purple
06. Yes

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 22:38pm


Roy, do you acknowledge any scenario where Chicago is not inducted?

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 22:52pm


"Roy, do you acknowledge any scenario where Chicago is not inducted?"

I'd like to see that, too. If I had to put money on whether Chicago makes it or not this year, I'd bet in favor of it, but we've seen plenty of "sure things" not make it first time around. Add to that that their post-Terry Kath work is seen as a giant black mark against them by a lot of people.

It'll probably happen, but to not even consider a scenario where it doesn't is delusional.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 23:58pm


Mixing together my rankings of the nominees, some brief analysis/opinion, and my favorite song.

1. Deep Purple - Should have been inducted a long time ago. Arguably the most influential group nominated. There greatest innovation was bridging the gap been the Psychedelic 60s and the Hard rock/Heavy Metal of the early 70s. (Highway Star)

2. N.W.A. - Hopefully the 4th time is a charm, especially with their extremely successful biopic taking over the summer. Along with Public Enemy, N.W.A. was the most important Hip-Hop group in transitioning the genre from its relatively safe nature of the early 80's into one that was willing to take chances and challenge the status quo.(F**k Tha Police)

3. The Smiths - Arguably the most important and popular British group of the 80s. British Alt from the 80s is the most snubbed genre for the Rock Hall right now and The Smiths would be a great step in rectifying that void. The Smiths incorporated almost every alternative British music scene in the early 80s (Post-Punk, New Wave, Synthpop, Goth, etc) and was able to create there own sound that would influence every British musician, and countless worldwide, there after. (How Soon Is Now?)

4. Nine Inch Nails - Simply enough they brought Industrial Music to the masses. David Bowie compared Trent Reznor's impact to that of The Velvet Underground. So much of the music created in the 90's, 00's and today take a direct influence from NIN. (Head Like A Hole)

5. The Spinners - One of the biggest R&B hit-making groups to currently be on the outside looking in to the Hall of Fame. To me there are just way to many hits to be ignored. Their induction would be the second "Philly Soul" group to be inducted after The O'Jays (even though The Spinners are from Detroit and started off at Motown). (The Rubberband Man)

6. Yes - The definition of a Progressive Rock band and therefore should be inducted into the Hall of Fame at some point. Five years ago or so they would have been in the top two for me, but my once love for Progressive Rock has waned a bit. Yet it has not totally died and I do recognize the innovation, pure genius of musical skill, and influence on current Prog Rockers that they have provided. (Close To The Edge)

7. Chic - No one can create a groove better than Nile Rodgers can. This is an indisputable fact that cannot be argued! ;) While I only have them at 7th on my list, they should have been voted in years ago and I really hope they get in soon. They truly are the last Disco act that deserves recognition. (Everybody Dance)

8. Cheap Trick - A personal favorite band that still produces some pretty decent music today (catch out "Sick Man Of Europe" if you think I'm kidding) and has been influencing bands throughout the 80s, 90s, 00's, and today. Their only negative is that their innovation isn't as clear as other groups, even though they did help continue the Power Pop legacy of Big Star and The Raspberries. (Hello There)

9. The Cars - I have always argued that the "80s" as a musical decade began in 1978 when The Cars released their eponymous debut album. The album was years a head of its time and would have not have felt out of place in the mid-80s. The innovation is there, but the reason they aren't at the top is that I feel like they got a bit cheesy as the 80s progressed and that I don't feel as if there influence is still felt today as other groups listed above have. (My Best Friend's Girl)

10. Janet Jackson - In many ways there is Female R&B before Miss Jackson and there is R&B after her. For good and bad, every female R&B artist since has incorporated part of her sound. The influence and innovation is totally there, but unfortunately personal preference is pushing her down a bit on my list. That being said I would be 100% fine with her induction this year. (Nasty)


11. Chicago - Like Yes, I would have been going nuts about this nomination 5 years ago. However my tastes and opinions on music have changed since then. The 70s version of the band is still excellent in my opinion and extremely innovative in their continual use of a horn section. However their ventures into Adult Contemporary in the 80s was extremely cheesy and you really don't hear their influence in bands that came afterwards. However I would still be pleased if they were inducted as they should be in already, its just a really strong class to put them any higher. (25 Of 6 To 4)

12. Steve Miller - I feel really bad putting him so far down the list as a fellow Wisconsinite, but this is a really strong group of nominations. So many great sounds scattered throughout the 60s, 70s, and 80s. You can't turn on a Classic Rock station without hearing one of his great song. The reason he's down this low is I really don't see the influence or innovation. That being said I would be trilled if he was inducted. (Swingtown)

13. Los Lobos - I really need to give them a better look before I can have a clear and valid opinion on them, but early examination has shown me that they are worthy of their nomination and even a possible induction. The more diversity and differing languages in the Hall of Fame the better. (Anselma)

14. Chaka Khan - This is one of the few nominations that I don't know is truly worthy. I don't see the innovation or influence, especially compared to Janet Jackson who will be her main competition on the ballot. If It took Donna Summer as long as it did to get inducted, I don't she Chaka Khan making this year. (I'm Every Woman)

15. The J.B.'s. - Like others I unfortunately had to look up this group when they nominations were announced and my first reaction was that they are going to get in trough the Musical Excellence route. I have no issue with this as this band's work with James Brown and their own music is totally deserving, but they shouldn't have taken a nomination spot from an artist that could have been voted in as a Performer. (The Grunt Pt. 1)

Overall this is a great group of nominations as there is really only 1-2 that I don't see as true Hall of Fame material. The nominating committee really did good work here!

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 01:01am


Steve Z.,

Thank you for the compliment?

Philip,

You are very welcome. It is always difficult to lose someone who cares about you, even if they are not a blood relative.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 02:08am


Steve Z.,

Thank you for the compliment. It's always nice to hear that one's efforts are appreciated.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 02:16am


Best 5 Singers on the Ballot

01. Peter Cetera
02. Chaka Khan
03. Robin Zander
04. Ric Ocasek
05. Robert Lamm

Posted by Roy

What about Bobby Smith and Phillippe Wynne of The Spinners ?

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 03:55am


"Bill G,

I did intend to offend you and apologize that what I said did. I did go to Wiki. That is where I found their songs listed. I realize from my own research on Chicago and other Chicago area artist that actually finding info can take some work and time to dig up something useful. Thank you for the info and leads."

Bill G.,

That should read I did not intend to offend you.

Posted by Zuzu

Apology accepted,Zuzu .

Also, thanks for checking Wikipedia. There would be far less misinformation and a much better understanding of the merits of R&B artists and their industry accomplishments if more people did the same .

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 04:07am


About the 2016 Nominees, Bill G. wrote:

Best 5 Singers on the Ballot

01. Peter Cetera
02. Chaka Khan
03. Robin Zander
04. Ric Ocasek
05. Robert Lamm

Posted by Roy

What about Bobby Smith and Phillippe Wynne of The Spinners ?

Friday, 10.16.15 @ 03:55am

I was responding to KING. I thought it was about a scenario at next year's all-star jam? Bobby Smith and Phillirre Wynne are both dead. I would put them ahead or Robert Lamm and Ric Ocasek.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 04:54am


I just want mention some of the less talked about Nominees. I've talked about the Rock and The R&B, Those are the ones more talked about. I want to share that I do know About Los Lobos. I definitely know more than La Bamba. Don't Worry Baby may be my favorite. I also know Corrido #1 and This Time. I also some cuts from Kiko. I don't know them Well but I know them. I still don't think They will be Inducted. There is often left field Nominees. It's just that are so many Big Names on this list.

There is the JBs. I know James Brown but Not Them one of his back Up Bands. Another left field Choice. Some of the Older Voters may know them but I don't see a lot of Votes. No Way.

Nine Inch Nails is an interesting choice. They are the only 90s choice this year. I expected them but also Smashing Pumpkins. I want everyone to know I expect big 90s names at this point like these but I am not into these 2 at all. I will say at 50 that not every 50 Year old likes these. I do have a friend that is 51 and loves these 2 along with many others like Korn. I assume they will come. So as far as NIN despite it not being my Bag at all I predicted them to Be inducted before I saw the great Classic nominees that were Nominated. You know what I think It will be Classic this year and more Modern ones next year, This would mean Pearl Jam and NIN at the same time. The 25th Ann of a Big change in Music. That is exactly when bands like Def Leppard and Cinderella stopped being real Hip replaced in the Limelight By the Alt bands.

NWA is the one rap Group this year. Just as I say about Alt. I am no way into Gangster Rap but I accept that Rap will be at the Rock Hall. Not this year though due to all the Classic acts. This is where I got my theory of Classic Rock and Classic R&B. Now does this mean 2 Rap acts next year then. I don't like him but 2PAc is a No Brainer next year. I know he was very popular. I worked at Music stores in the 90s. He sold well.

The last I'll mention is the Smiths. Every year lately a Brit alt band is nominated and fails. I think That will happen again. This is especially due to all the Big Names. I mean you got big names like Chicago Deep Purple Yes as well as Janet Jackson. The Smiths just can't compete with that. That's it for now.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 05:16am


Roy, do you acknowledge any scenario where Chicago is not inducted?

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 22:52pm

No I don't because of Chicago's status as being the # 4 all-time charting rock and roll band on Billboard behind the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, and the Beach Boys, and being followed by the Bee Gees. The voters know this. Chicago belongs with that group. Chicago is a shoe-in for 2016.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 07:44am


Are you going to be OK when it doesn't happen?

Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 13:22pm


I can easily Back Roy on this. Chicago is the most Sure thing going. They had a Long career with Lots of hits. They are a more sure thing than my beloved Moody Blues. After all Moodys were not nominated. This is not about the Moodys. That's for another time. I do believe Roy is correct about them being the #4 all time charting R N R band. Also they had innovative albums in the beginning at least. The only that weakens them is their later Pop. I don't like that stuff. However I may point out that without even the strength of Key innovative albums Hall & Oates went in. I say that if Hall & Oates can go in then surely Chicago will. Chicago have the key early albums plus the Pop hits that came later.

I do agree that You're the Inspiration and those other 80s hits are not too great. Certainly not like the early stuff. Come on Hall & Oates went in even though they did Maneater and those others. I'm not trying to bash Hall & Oates totally. I'm just saying that pop Hits didn't hurt them.

Also Chicago will get the Votes. All kinds of Voters can place a Vote for them. They are sort of a Household Name. At least for those over 35.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 17:28pm


So I listened to Kiko online last night Dezmond, and I have ambivalent feelings regarding the album. On the positive side, there's a fascinating and seamless blend of different instruments, which is always going to impress me. Tracks that stood out to me include Dream in Blue (I love the subtle organ and hard-sounding saxes), That Train Don't Stop Here (Dig the bluesy rhythm and guitar solos), Kiko and the Lavender Moon (Haunting piano in the background, jazzy bass), Arizona Skies (A nice guitar showcase that blends flamenco, Hawaiian, and Tejano styles), Just A Man (Moody piano, solid blues-style guitar, and a haunting build-up), and Wicked Rain (A solid groovy beat, supplemented by melodic Latin saxes, driving drumming, and that subtle yet appealing organ). On the opposite end of the spectrum, there's a too much folk/roots-rock-sounding material like Saint Behind the Glass (It's too vocally/lyrically driven, and what music there is primarily consists of a too mellow-sounding guitar), Reva's House (Rather standard-sounding guitar-based roots rock, although not as painful to my ears as the atrocious Tom Petty album Full Moon Fever), When the Circus Comes to Town (Again, not enough solos and too many vocals for my liking), Short Side of Nothing (Another filler track, IMHO), and Whiskey Trail (The guitar solo uses too much distortion, which I prefer in moderation rather than in excess). The usage of guitar distortion effects can be overwhelming at times, but when used sparingly, it does shine on this album. My feelings on folk/roots rock are well-known around these parts, so I'm not going to recapitulate why I don't enjoy those styles. Overall, Kiko has gotten me interested enough in exploring more of Los Lobos' discography, provided there's more material that is in the vein of what I find most appealing about LL already. I'll rate it about 3 out of 5, because it is a good album with some unique musical ideas and a mesmerizing blend of diverse instruments, but the presence of some filler material and a little too much folky/roots rock keep it from entering my top albums.

I sincerely hope you do not find my critique to be overly harsh in the missives because I generally trust your musical judgments (Neil Young and Lindsey Buckingham notwithstanding) and did find much to admire about Kiko. That's why I stated at the outside that my overall opinion of the album is very much a shade of a grey as opposed to being too black-and-white. I eagerly await your response.

Posted by Zach on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 18:00pm


I have to back Roy on Chicago too. I can not see Chicago not getting inducted this year. From what I see they have the respect of their peers. How many of the critics of their 80s era have a vote for who gets inducted? Those are the people whose opinions really matter - not us arm chair critics.

There are several artist whose earlier work was more appreciated than their later work. Rod Stewart, David Bowie and Mick Jagger were made fun of in a derogatory manner because their later work was looked down upon. They got in with no problem.

The Bee Gees were banned from rock radio because of Saturday Fever and they are in. Saturday Night Fever and the fallout gave Chicago problems because horns were associated with r&b and at that time everything r&b and not just disco was a problem for a lot of rockers. The fact that Peter Cetera included the Bee Gees in the recording of Little Miss Lovin should actually be seen for the bold move that it was, especially at a time when they were trying to regroup from the loss of Terry.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 18:10pm


What are people smoking?
The 6 nominees that should be in are:
Deep Purple
Chicago
Yes
Steve Miller (as well as his backing band)
Cheap Trick
and The Cars
If they also could squeeze in a 7th with Chic, that'd be a huge rock and roll hall of fame ceremony.

Posted by DioRainbkw on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 18:20pm


"What are people smoking?"

Most people don't live in a classic rock fanboy bubble.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 18:44pm


Zach, I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to check Kiko out. From your review you obviously gave it your full attention. We can disagree on certain things about the record (you are right in that if you not like roots/folk elements, then some of Kiko will not appeal to you). I'm not sure what else to recommend by them, because several of their other best albums are even more in the roots rock/ folk vein (like the By the Light of the Moon album, which I love but you probably wouldn't).

Anyway, you are awesome for checking it out.

Did I ever tell you that I really got into Gary Numan after your recommendation on this site awhile back? That is something cool about this site, we argue and disagree because we all feel strongly about this stuff, but we can also share great music suggestions and open each others ears to some new sounds.

Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 18:45pm


Thanks for your reply, Dezmond. I will generally give something new a fair chance. I got sick of hearing Los Lobos's cover of La Bama, so when I saw your recommendation, I figured I'd better give Kiko a listen. I do plan to save the tracks I enjoyed to my iTunes and skip the ones I disliked. I suppose I'll check some samples of Los Lobos's other work and see if anything else strikes the right chord with me.

I do recall reading that my advocacy of Gary Numan turned you on to him. I'm glad his music endeared himself to you. Which albums have you listened to? I have The Pleasure Principle and Telekon, plus some of his singles from the 1997 comp Premier Hits (which also includes some of his work with Tubeway Army, the band he played in before going solo). Much like Los Lobos, Numan is unfairly remembered by the mainstream for 1 song (In GN's case, it's Cars). I can't tell you how many times I've brought his name up in musical conversation (both in real life and online) and not had the other person recognize him until I quoted a few lines or hummed a chorus from Cars. Quite frustrating for this Numanite. I really enjoy his dark take on synthpop and how he blends synthesizers with more traditional instruments. He explores a lot of musical ground in Telekon, including classical strings and violins on The Joy Circuit, piano-driven tracks like Photograph (There's a piano-only version of Down on the Park on the 1998 CD release that is absolutely gorgeous), the funk=styled Remind Me to Smile, and even a synthesized rendition of Trois Gymnopedies (First Movement) that adds a new layer of mystique to this classical standard). I'd give Telekon a shot if you haven't heard it.

I too agree on the nature of having passionate agreements and disagreements that can lead to inspired, informative discussion.. While I've lost interest in tracking the Hall of Fame, I do enjoy my conversations with you.

Posted by Zach on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 19:24pm


Hello, all,

It's been a long time since I've posted a comment on this site, but with the recent nominees for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame announced, I felt that I should post my thought on who I think should get in.

Deep Purple: Just them let in already!
The Cars: Took them long enough.
Janet Jackson: Amazingly talented. Hopefully, she'll get in this year.
NWA: I haven't seen "Straight Outta Compton" yet, but it should provide NWA with some much needed leverage to get into the Hall.
Nine Inch Nails: It's a shame that they weren't inducted this year, so it would be nice if they would get in next year.
Yes: Should've been inducted years ago.

These are just my picks, but what are your guys' opinions on my picks. Feel free to let me know.

Posted by Andrew on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 19:37pm


About the 2016 Nominees, Dezmond wrote:
Are you going to be OK when it doesn't happen?
Friday, 10.16.15 @ 13:22pm

It's going to happen. The Rock Hall wants it to happen. Obama is President. The Chicago Blackhawks are winning Stanley Cups. The Chicago Cubs are going to win the World Series this year and Chicago is going to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2016.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 19:41pm


Two other points I want to add to our discussion, Dezmond:

1. You probably noticed that one of my chief complaints with Kiko is that vocals are emphasized over the actual musicianship in some of the songs. You already know I despise political proselytizing in music, but I also don't care for music where vocals and lyrics (any kind) are emphasized over the instrumentation and musicianship. I do appreciate fine singers of the ilk of Nat King Cole, Freddie Mercury, Billy Eckstine, and Howlin' Wolf, to name some I admire, but I listen to music for the music. I've always found it peculiar, even strange, that anyone would value songwriting or singing over the actual musical content. I find this narrow view akin to someone who would watch movies to listen to dialogue, thus missing the visual elements like cinematography, set design, costumes, physical acting, and use of color. Film is a visual artform and should accordingly be judged as such (People are free to study dialogue all they want, but it's not an essential component to film. Just look at the silent era). I have trained my ears to pick up on instrumental solos, chord changes, interplay between musicians (such as trading solos and how different instruments drive the rhythm, melody, or harmony) and virtuosity first and foremost. When listening to a singer, I pay more attention to how the vocalist phrases words and utilizes vocal techniques (especially in jazz with scat and vocalese). This is why I find favor with such genres as jazz, blues (electric/post-WWII, I loathe the earlier acoustic stuff which isn't as musically complex or adventurous), synthpop/electronic, classical, instrumental rock, and funk, as well as why I despise singer-songwriter, folk, and punk. I simply have no tolerance for mediocre musicianship and demand at least some competency to be able to enjoy music. I may not be a musician or have studied music theory, but my ears are well-trained and can tell what sounds pleasing or offensive.

2. In order of preference, I find these instruments the most satisfying and enriching to hear:

1. Piano
2. Saxophone
3. Trumpet/Cornet
4. Harmonicas
5. Synthesizers
6. Drums/Drum Machines
7. Blues/Jazz/Classical Guitar
8. Miscellaneous: Clarinet, Violin, Fiddle, Bass, Trombone, Jazz Banjo, Tuba, Slide Whistle, and Cymbals.

Posted by Zach on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 20:31pm


Zuzu,

Exactly. That's what I was trying to say. What Chicago did in the 80s and after doesn't matter. They had already made their Mark. Some said that could be a Hindrance. It didn't hurt over half the Artists in the Hall. We totally agree. Rod Stewart made his mark with his material before 1975. He is a good example of a long career that went bad later. He was Inducted based on Early albums not Infatuation or Something. There's so many examples like that. Same thing with Chicago,

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 21:06pm


Part of me would really love to see Chicago not make it in just to shut Roy up as well his "Illuminati <3 Windy City In The '10s" conspiracy theory. But at this point, unless the Hall decides to proactively punish the people who bot-attacked the fan ballot by ejecting Chicago from the official count, they're in.

Just as long as their effin' football team doesn't win the Superbowl before the HAWAIIAN president leaves office.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 23:59pm


So just to continue I happen to feel that there are a lot of artists in the Hall who did not have great Material later on if they had a long Career. David Bowie is another example for sure. The early albums like Ziggy Stardust and Alladin Sane made him Very worthy but an album like Tonight Not so much. I do like some of his later.

Other Inductees like the Bee Gees, Fleetwood Mac Billy Joel and certainly Traffic. In the case of the Bee Gees they were Inducted with their Early career in Mind as well when they did tunes like New York Mining Disaster. A lot of People just may not have realized. I know you did Zuzu. Their 60s early 70s stuff. They went in despite the Night Fever stuff. I mean Fleetwood Mac. Even if we say they were highly regarded passed Rumours. They were not Regarded as Favorably after Mirage. This includes Gypsy as great Stuff.

The Point is that Chicago would not be Ruined by 80s Hits like You're My Inspiration. They were a best selling 70s artist just like the ones I said. I know you agree Zuzu. The ones above are in so as we move ahead Chicago is a key seller that's Left Plus they had key albums in the Beginning like those others. Roy and Zuzu we totally agree

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 06:48am


About the 2016 Nominees, Philip wrote:

Part of me would really love to see Chicago not make it in just to shut Roy up as well his "Illuminati <3 Windy City In The '10s" conspiracy theory. But at this point, unless the Hall decides to proactively punish the people who bot-attacked the fan ballot by ejecting Chicago from the official count, they're in.

Just as long as their effin' football team doesn't win the Superbowl before the HAWAIIAN president leaves office.

Friday, 10.16.15 @ 23:59pm

Punish the people who bot-attacked the fan ballot? It only counts as one vote! So what! We were told to vote often. Plus, you better hope Chicago is inducted in 2016, or I will never shut up! Also, Barack Obama will be in office until mid-January 2017. The 2016-2017 NHL, NBA and NFL seasons will have started before President Obama leaves office. So if any of the Chicago teams win championships in 2017 you will still hear about it from me. After 2017 I am never going to post anything again on Future Rock Legends unless someone from Chicago dies, Elton John dies or Bernie Taupin gets inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or dies. My job here will be done.

Chicago will be inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in 2016! It's done! Tom Morello wore a CTA cap at the ceremony last year.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 06:55am


What if Bernie Taupin and Chicago are both inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in 2016, and Chaka Khan too? Bernie Taupin wrote the lyrics for Dip Your Wings, a song from Peter Cetera's 1992 album, World Falling Down, which also included a duet with Chaka Khan (Feels Like Heaven).

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 07:11am


I'm afraid the post-If You Leave Me Now period could still be an obstacle, because I have the feeling that this is what they are ultimately best remembered for. When people think about Fleetwood Mac, they will first think of Rumours. Billy Joel is and always will be the Piano Man. But when people think of Chicago, they will sooner think about You're the Inspiration and Hard to Say I' Sorry than about 25 or 6 to 4.

The Bee Gees are a special case. I can imagine that some people voted for their induction despite of Saturday Night Fever, but others voted because of that album.

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 07:13am


The nominees for the 2017 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame will be announced while President Barack Obama is still in office. The 2017 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction ceremony though, will be held after Barack Obama has left office.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 07:25am


This is False. Chicago is very well Remembered for those early album. Even if masses of people remember You're My Inspiration there is the Hall & Oates thing. They got in and some of their most Known hits are Kiss on my List and Maneater. If you then say there is the early albums the same applies to Chicago. Chicago's early stuff is Much more know than Hall & Oates.

I stick With Roy and Zuzu. Guys I need your Help especially you Zuzu. It don't matter about the cheesy later hits even if they are more known. Guys like Hall & Oates got in.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 07:40am


The difference between Chicago's 80s pop and the Hall & Oates 80s pop, is that the Hall & Oates 80s pop was better. Private Eyes is considered one of the best pop albums ever produced. Rolling Stone magazine gave Private Eyes 5 STARS. Chicago 16, 17, 18, and 19 all got 1 STAR each.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 08:27am


Chicago is more remembered for their 70s songs. They are the ones that are more requested. The only 80s song that gets a lot of requests is You're the Inspiration. 25 Or 6 To 4, Saturday In the Park, Beginnings, Does Anybody Know What Time It Is and of course If You Leave Me Now. If You Leave Me Now had been covered by over 100 artist. It was #1 worldwide for 2 weeks. Saturday In the Park is a 4th of July staple. A lot of the 70s songs are still being played by marching bands. Peter Cetera's audiences get excited when he does the 70s Chicago songs. Somebody remembers that Peter Cetera played bass. Chicago's signature song is still 25 Or
6 To 4. The kids know it.

Roy, do you think RS's ranking of Chicago albums should be taken seriously?

I take Chicago 80s comments for exactly what it is - anti-Chicago propaganda. There are too many artist that are in the hall that have songs of a similar vein. Doesn't anybody remember Just Another Silly Love Song?

Bee Gees are remembered for one thing and one thing only - Saturday Night Fever and that falsetto. Anyone that thinks this was a good reason to put them in the hall really needs to read up on John Travolta. The songs and the movie were pushed down our throats. A lot of the disco songs that came out afterwards were considered the low end of disco. A lot of people that were into disco say that you need to hear the songs before the disco craze to understand that it could be good. They are no exception. If you asked them I think you will find that that most people who lived through that era and the overplay of those songs do not want to hear it ever again. It was overdone

Ben, I wouldn't call 80s Chicago cheesy. That is their word and what is interesting is songs in a similar vein that they don't use the word for. I believe it is very telling.

It does not matter what people with an anti-Chicago agenda think. It matters what their peers think. Unless a significant number of people in the voting body are known to be planning not to vote for Chicago because of their 80s material there is really no reason to bring it up. On the other hand I can look at the number of artist that are in the hall and have covered or sampled a Chicago song, claim Chicago as an influence or have worked with Chicago or individual members.

Chicago is just too much an important part of Rock history to be passed over. They were the little engine that could. Their record company was promoting BST and ignoring them. They got noticed because of a grassroots effort. BST faded away in a few years. Chicago stayed relevant and became the dominating rock group of the 70s.

I remember the rumors that were going around in the 70s that they were getting the raw end of the deal from the record company and their manager. Danny said that after the first tour several members of the group still owed money. In order to get those double albums they had to agree to cut their take in half. Then add in that they were twice as big as most rock bands of that era. They were also getting worn out from a grueling schedule. Their manager and record company were playing head games with them to keep them in line. This is probably the major reason that Terry accidentally shot and killed himself.

The 70s were the start of the money makers taking over the music business. Lawyers were running the music business instead of musicians. Artist were being pushed into a money making niche and variety was frowned upon. Don't for get that despite the depth of your album work, The general public knew an artist by the singles that were being played on the radio. Guess who controlled which songs were released as singles. If you want to understand what was happening to 70s artist, I would suggest looking up what Melanie has to say about what was going on in the 70s. She has some pretty insightful things to say.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 11:14am


Would you say Deep Purple was the most influential band of these nominees? I always hear that Deep Purple was 1 of the trinity with Zeppelin & Sabbath. I knows Lars talks about his affection for Deep Purple and several artists have cited them as influences. Roy & Zuzu have made impassioned posts about Chicago getting inducted. Chicago sure has momentum getting inducted with many 70's hits. I'm thinking Chicago and Deep Purple are 2 bands that will be inducted. A Deep Purple induction would move Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, & Motorhead to the top of the line. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 13:32pm


Zuzu,

Thank you for your help. You are better at explaining these things. Sorry for the word cheesy. The Sum up is forget the 80s stuff of Chicago. We'll just drop it. The Voters will remember their Earlier hits and albums. 25 or 6 to 4 and Saturday in the Park are 2 of their signature tunes. I do agree about Blood, Sweat & tears. Also a fine group but they faded after a few years. Nobody Cared about B,S & T by 1976. People still loved Chicago. I Remember that from when I was a kid.

So Chicago is one of the No Brainers to me. I want to talk about some of the other Classic Rock Choices. Some are more popular than others

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 13:53pm


Ben,

The the descriptions used, cheesy, syrupy and similar terms mean nothing more than too girly. To me that is sexist thinking. The ladies have as just as much right as the guys to have an opinion on what is good and what is bad. Being a woman, I am more in tune to what the term really means - so no problem.

I'm sensitive to this because I feel that who gets in to the hall is pretty much still a boy's club. The important thing is not about more women getting in. It is about having our opinion respected.

Most people speak of music in terms of decades. I think that is misleading. A switch seems to occur every five years. You see a phasing out of the older style and a newer style coming in. The people I knew in the 70s considered the Who and the Stones as old news, British Invasion groups from the 60s.

It still all come down to not what we or our friends think. It matters what those who can vote think. We can make some guesses based on actions and words from the voting body. I still see the number of artist in the hall that have connections or have said positive things about Chicago. These are the ones I know about. I am sure that there are more that have not been mentioned but hinted about.

I would like to add that Government's cover of Chicago's Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is? is included on Deep Purple's 2002 Listen Learn Read On set. They must have thought enough of Chicago to include it in their album in 2002.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 14:36pm


Zuzu,

I withdraw the term Cheesy and apologize. Also out of respect for my lovely girlfriend. She loves Pop. She wouldn't even Know the early great albums. She is an avid Pop fan. She however as a pop Fan loves their 70s and 80s Hits. She is my Age which is about 50. She loves hits like Saturday in the Park and Just You n' Me but also hits like Will You Still Love Me.

However the point remains that Chicago have songs for every one. Therefore an easy winner for the Rock Hall. She knows of the Rock Hall. I told her Chicago were nominated. She responded finally and felt they would get in. I would love to take My Girl friend to see Chicago. We would both like it. She doesn't like Hard Rock. She would never see Van Halen for instance. She enjoys Pop. Older Pop mostly like Carly Simon, Barry Manilow and James Taylor.

I would like to cover other Inductees. Particularly some the Classic Rock ones. How do chances look for the Cars and Yes?

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 15:07pm


Ben,

Sweet Baby James - music for the soul. I think of him more rock - folk fusion than pop. You are both about the same age as my younger siblings.

Steve Miller - I read that a lot of his songs get sampled. He also spent time in Chicago's Blues community. Did he make connections there that can translate into votes? It's his first time up. I suspect he will be inducted.

I'm taking these two together. Yes and Deep Purple - These are the 2 Brits that have been nominated before. The question is why didn't they get the votes to be inducted. Both have quite a few samplings. Both have a following.
Has their influence been overestimated in comparison to other artist of the era? I think what has been holding them back is that their influence is more narrow band in comparison to other contemporaries. Several of their contemporaries have a more wide band appeal. I find it hard to say if they get in this time or not. I think it could go either way.

Cheap Trick and the Cars are hard for me to evaluate. They are both going into an era where I wasn't too crazy about the changes that were happening in rock so it is hard for me to give a fair evaluation. I see listings for influence and covers or samples. Which I could see can support their getting in. Then I have to go back to what I feel instinctively that they are narrow band compared to other contemporaries that had a wider scope. I know this doesn't help but I have to go with it could go either way with these two.

When I say narrow band and wide scope I am talking about who they appeal to in age and style and gender and across genres. I look at who says something about them - Is older artist, contemporaries or younger artist. Do artist in other styles talk about them or do you hear from artist that are only of a similar style. Do artist in other talk about them with respect or consider them an influence? I feel the wider the range an artist covers the higher are that artist chances are of getting the votes.

I realize that a lot of people support these artist and that is why I am saying that it could go either way. I think one or two will get in but I would have to think about which ones it would be.

I like some hard rock. I'm not that into Van Halen which I see as Californiazed version of REO. I See Eddie Van Halen as a hot dogger. It could be the age thing though. I realize that most people would disagree with me. My taste in hard rock goes more towards BIO and Def Leppard.

I love BTO's Let It Ride. To me it has the quintessential rock growl.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 16:54pm


ENIG

Would you consider The Spinners Prog Adjacent with their use of strings and orchestration in Could It Be I'm Falling In Love? I'll Be Around and some other hits. I voted for The Spinners this year too. Tough ballot but they could get votes from R&B and some of the older voters. Who of the RRHOF voters would vote for The Spinners? Sounds like Roy research.

ROY-Great comment on the best singers. I think Zander is criminally underrated as singer. Cetera one of the best as well. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 17:56pm


"Punish the people who bot-attacked the fan ballot? It only counts as one vote! So what! We were told to vote often."--Roy

Yes you were, but if bot-attacks skewed the fan ballot that badly, this is exactly the power-tripping kind of move the Rock Hall could pull to assert their elitist dominance over us, the people they deign to amuse by even allowing a fan ballot in the first place. I'm just saying I wouldn't put it past them to do it, regardless of how the professionals' votes turn out.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 20:33pm


Other favs of my girl friend Include Donna Summer, Madonna, Billy Joel and Olivia Newton John. So she is very different in Taste to me. A key indication of James Taylor as a Rock Folk fusion is that I like him. I am not into Olivia Newton John. That's pure pop that never did anything for me. Oh and my girl friend loves Lionel Richie. When I say Pop it means she likes only the Pop hits. Clearly Billy Joel is also Rock. Actually in his case she knows some albums.

As for me. I love my Rock and some Folk. I totally agree on Let it Ride. That is one of my Fav Rock tunes. I also like Def Leppard quite a bit.

I think Yes may get in while Deep Purple fall short. I think Yes are slightly more popular and will therefore get more Votes. It's not as clear Cut as Chicago. Yes just had the Loss of Chris Squire. This could be known by the Voting Body.
That's it or now

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 20:50pm


I would love to see Janet Jackson make to the 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. She is an icon and most of these young artists today get their inspiration from her.

Posted by Jennifer Davis on Sunday, 10.18.15 @ 09:16am


Rick

Tough luck with ELO this year. It played out like I thought with different genres taking the slots leaving ELO without a chair. Things looking good for ELO 2016 Nominations. Chicago, Deep Purple, YES might all be inducted this year. That should open a spot for ELO in 2016-2017. My FAV ELO song probably Evil Woman. Rick, who are you hoping to get inducted in 2016? KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 10.18.15 @ 18:22pm


Roy,

It was touch luck on ELO. It made sense for them to be Nominated. It seems like the Hall will include Prog slowly but will be slower than I thought. I predicted 3 prog groups this Year. Next year I am only predicting the Moody Blues in this area. I think the Hall will only nominate one Prog group at a time. I am realizing that reality. So I'll go with Moody Blues.

Totally different people like Gordon Lightfoot, Harry Nilsson and the Meters may get nominated next year. No way I'm predicting a lot for next Year right Now. I'm saying people like those may shut ELO out again.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10.18.15 @ 20:45pm


Ben,

I think that the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame wants to remain enigmatic. They probably do not want us to figure out what they are doing. Since only six of my nominees made the list, I will simply move my nominees list to 2017, instead.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10.18.15 @ 21:03pm


Enigmaticus: You're a good authority on progressive rock, so I figured I'd ask you: what do you know about the band Aphrodites Child? I know them for the most part as being the band that Vangelis got his start with.

Posted by SotN on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 05:03am


SotN,

I'm not sure about Enig. I have heard of Aphrodite's Child. I am not nearly as Prog as Enig but I have heard of them. I can tell you why that is. I worked at a Used Record shop I the late 80s with a Hippie Boss. He mentioned FM artists of the late 60s and early 70s everyday, You should ask the expert Enig. I just thought I'd throw that in. You see that boss was not listening to average Hits. He was listening to FM in NY back in the early 70s. I don't know much about them. They were quite obscure. Obscure stuff was Common on FM radio in the early 70s.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 05:32am


No what I was saying is I think ELO will mis next year too. I mean this year the Hall only nominated Yes in the Prog bunch. I'm assuming that Yes will be Inducted. They were one of the Most popular of all Prog groups. This will free up the Moody Blues and others.

I am only going to predict One prog at a time moving forward in an effort to be more right. The Hall doesn't want us to figure out what it's doing. They probably don't. I do know that a lot of them involved in the Hall don't like Prog but they seem to be loosening Up very slightly. I am then figuring one nominee of prog at a time. I tried for 3. It didn't work.

SO as a result Others like Gordon Lightfoot, Harry Nilsson, the Meters and the Commodores would be Nominated instead along with the Moody Blues. I am figuring Singer/Songwriters will make a comeback and more R&B. I don't want to get into predicting Next Year. I'll stick with this Year.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 05:54am


King,

I meant to respond to you about ELO. I mix Names up sometimes. Sorry About that. In any Case it was Tough luck with ELO not being nominated. I am now going with 1 Prog Nom a year from Now on. I'll go with the Moody Blues. Logic dictates that after Yes they work on them. I was a prediction experiment this Year. It didn't work. I think Singer/ Songwriters will make a return I think and there may be a bunch of R&B like the Meters and perhaps the Commodores. Also more 90s next year.

I'm assuming Yes will be Inducted. They have a previous nomination going for them and also Chris Squire Passed. I'll stick with this Year as I said. This year's Prog choice is Yes. I do think Chicago Will be Inducted too. The Cars I predict also which makes 3 Classic Rock artists. The other 3 I think will be R&B. Janet Jackson whether we like it or Not seems like a No Brainer. I am not a fan at all but she is so Famous. The Madonna is and she went in.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 08:15am


I agree with most of what Ben says. I also see ELO being pushed back. They are one of the few Brit prog bands to have hits in the US and that is a plus. But...

I think ELO might have a similar problem to Boston. When I take each song individually I would give them high marks. Then I look at their work as a whole and this is where I have a problem. I find that too many of their songs are too similar. It is almost as if it was a slight variation on one song. I can see this being a negative for them in regards to depth. Maybe it's just me because I haven't seen anybody else bring it up.

I am now going to look at this as who would have a better chance of getting support from the voting body. I still think that at this point in time American Prog bands, Kansas and Styx have a better chance of getting in. Out of the Brit prog bands the 2 I see as having the greatest shot at induction are ELP and Moody Blues.

I think that because when you step outside of prog enthusiasts, that Kansas and Styx are better known to the general public. I think that could help them. Kansas and Styx were talked about in the 70s and 80s. I think both hit some core Heartland mythos. I think you will also find that there is some crossover between Heartland mythos and Southern mythos.

Maybe Ben you can give your input on what you remember your boss saying. The reason I would give higher emphasis to ELP and Moody Blues is for exact same reason I knew Butterfield Blues band was important even though I don't recall any of their music. People that were older than me talked about them. These were people who went to college. ELP had a lot more of a buzz about them than either of the other two.

I pretty much agree with Ben about not more than one prog group at a time. There are too many backlogs in North American 70s rock groups, folk, country, singer/songwriters and there are still some upper tier artist from the 60s missing. The only way I can see multiple prog artist being nominated is if some of the backlog in other areas gets caught up a bit. I diverge from Ben in that until the catch up on some of the other variety of artist that they also need to dial back a bit on the number of r&b artist nominated each year down to 3 or 4. I also think they need to keep numbers low on the numbers of Eastern Seaboard, California and Brit artist until backlog areas are brought up to the sane level. It would help some to have higher numbers inducted.

At the rate they are going, artist that should have been inducted already will not get inducted for another 20 or 30 years. The nom com created this problem. Right now I see what they are doing as being too little too late. There are too many relevant 70s artist that have been backlogged too long. I see having another super induction as just adding salt to the wound. It would be seen as diluting their importance when less important artist have been let in with bigger pomp.

Ben, I think that the Commodores might not get in except as sidemen behind a Lionel Richie induction. I think what he has done solo will eclipse what the Commodores have done. Although Brick House was an anthem - so it is possible that may help them in sticking out. Lionel Richie's album Tuskegee went to #1 when it came out in 2012. He redid several songs with guest country artist. How many r&b artist have made any waves on the country charts?

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 10:56am




Zuzu,

Excellent response. You are absolutely right. After Yes the standouts for British Prog are Moody Blues and ELP. I figure you were talking about Prog groups being nominated after Yes. I feel very strongly that they will be inducted Now.

I certainly Can give my Input on what my FM Hippie Boss said. He used to talk in fact about How the Paul Butterfield Blues Bad were important. He spoke a lot about the Moody Blues. He spoke even more about them. He loved their first 5 Albums. He said they were dynamite and were one of the most talked about Bands out of Britain in 1968 and 69. He stopped listening to Rock in 1973 he said. He felt His FM heyday was ending. He didn't listen too much to ELP.

However, there was an employee like me 8 years younger than him that was in High School in the Mid 70s. He was much more of a 70s guy. This employee was a teenager in the Mid 70s as opposed to late 60s like the Boss. That employee loved ELP. The employee said ELP were very important and saw them in 74 or something. Not the Boss though. That employee was a little older than me. He also loved Yes, Rush and Jethro Tull. He dug early Kansas and other early arena Rock as it's called. That employee also loved Atlanta Rhythm Section and other Americans like that.

Now just getting back to Upper tier of the 60s. Would we include Steppenwolf as one of those? The Hippie boss told me they were huge and important. Not as key as the 60s people Inducted but known.


I agree on the backlog of North American 70s Rock as well as Folk and Singer/Songwriters. Good possibilities in the next couple years are Kansas, Styx and Journey. Joe Walsh solo is somebody to consider. He has made appearances at Rock Hall ceremonies. I'm going to refrain from predicting nominees specifically for 2017. I mentioned several. Enough said.

As far as Folk and Singer/Songwriters I agree with your choice of Gordon Lightfoot. There is a buzz on Harry Nilsson. Joan Baez is a possibility. This is even with the Nom Com change. Only the oldest are gone. Joan Baez was notable in the 60s and 70s. I'm sure there are some left that know and dig her. Jon Landau perhaps.

I was guessing as far as Commodores for R&B. Probably not so fast on that one. A better choice is War. They have been nominated before.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 14:55pm


Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 14:58pm


Ben,

I think I need to define how my tier system works. It goes from tier 1 - no brainer should be in the hall 1st year eligible, through tier 10 - are you kidding - not even after everybody else is in. There is no one group of tiers. I keep separate tiers for genre and to some degree will break it down to sub-genres.

I don't believe in one ranking. I think anything should first be ranked according to style break downs. I hate a ranking such as best guitarist or vocalist that doesn't break it down to sub groups first. I've seen too many lists that are almost all metal or hard rock.

My 60s top tiers are Patsy Cline, Chubby Checker and Joan Baez. Patsy Cline - maybe you need to be a female from that era to understand the breakthroughs she made. Chubby Checker - The twist was so big when I was little. The game Twister comes from the dance as well as an exercise device called the Twister. It was done at all the parties when there was a live band for a long time. Joan Baez - do you realize how many people she helped. One of them was Bob Dylan.

Steppenwolf I would rank at about 3 or 4. The had some good songs and if they had come out with more in that vein I would rank them higher. I think they were really relevant for about a year or two. I think that pulls them down.

As far as my next up for 70's bands, I would say it is a toss up between the Guess Who and Journey. I would give the edge to the Guess Who because they were relevant earlier. Journey didn't have their break out till Steve Perry joined and they released Infinity. Infinity is probably their most underrated album. I like their 80s stuff but I really enjoy the contrast between Greg Rollie's and Steve Perry's vocals.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 16:12pm


Zuzu and Ben,

More important than any of the prog bands you have been discussing as far as influence and innovation is King Crimson. In a just world, Crimson would have been the first prog band inducted.

Posted by Dezmond on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 20:45pm


Dezmond

You must be happy to see The Cars on the ballot this year. I remember groups like Blondie, Talking Heads, The Pretenders, Elvis Costello making it pretty much 1st ballot. My feeling is The Cars would make it this year but Chicago, Deep Purple, YES strong contenders. With your music knowledge, who of the new wave and classic rock voters would vote for The Cars? Enter Roy with a list. What would your Top 5 The Cars songs be? Love this ballot of nominees. Can't find any fault with it other than no Duran Duran or Moody Blues. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 21:56pm


Dezmond,

Greg Lake was in both bands
ELP was the first band to travel with a moog.

Along with Keith Emerson being one of the moog pioneers, Dennis DeYoung of Styx is also considered a moog pioneer. Due to the increased popularity of electronic music I see both ELP and Styx having a wider potential for influence.

Outside of prog how much of the general public is going to be familiar with King Crimson. I never heard of them back in the 70s. I did hear a lot of people talk about ELP. I do realize that you are more familiar with prog so how influential is King Crimson outside of prog?

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 22:48pm


I can definitely say some things about this. Unlike my Hippie Boss I was listening to FM in the late 70s early 80s. ELP was still played a whole lot. King Crimson were not. Greg Lake was indeed in both bands. He is much more known for ELP. When I came along as a Rock Listener ELP were on the last tour of their Heyday. Just like Zuzu I did not hear of King Crimson in the 70s. Even when I was 13 I heard of ELP.

ELP were known for some big Tours. The 70s Employee at the shop named Kevin saw them a couple times. He didn't mention King Crimson. I came to hear them but prefer ELP.

Enig should chime in here. Where are you? Well in the meantime I will say I totally agree with Zuzu, That is right on the button. I am not nearly so focused on Prog as Enig but I can tell you I bought a lot of ELP albums not King Crimson. That's me. So Outside of Prog how much of the General Public is going to be familiar with King Crimson. Prog is having enough trouble in the Hall.

So if you consider how gradual Prog is even being nominated it will probably be over 10 years before King Crimson is even nominated. Longer at this rate. I don't even think ELP will make it to ballots until about 2019 or 2020. ELP were very successful with their albums and that's what I see for them.

It always comes back to the Moody Blues. They are known by the general Public. My Girl friend even knows about the Moody Blues and she is into Pop and Mainstream Rock. She certainly don't know prog. People like Billy Joel Carly Simon and Olivia Newton John are her Usual speed. Yet she knows about the Moody Blues. That's why I am always predicting them. Moody Blues besides Prog also make a good 60s choice. Late 60s early 70s is what I say.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 04:56am


If the Rock Hall starts picking nominees/inductees based on who people remember hearing about when they were younger, what their boss listened to or what the average person thinks, they should just stop. None of those things matter.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 07:54am


I thought the point was to figure out which artist should be picked. Asking why an artist was not known or why didn't people want to buy their music are very valid questions. So is why were people talking about one artist and not talking about another.

Not sure where you get that hall is picking on this criteria or should.

One of the possible reasons we have come up with for why there was a buzz about ELP is because they were the first band to use a moog in concert. I believe that is a fairly important point to show that an artist was influential. So now the question is did King Crimson influence artist that were not prog.

You didn't happen to know did you?

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 08:31am


http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/10/rock_hall_fan_vote_stirs_contr.html

Cleveland.com: Has this year's Rock Hall Fan Vote been hijacked by computer hackers?

Posted by FRL on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 09:33am


First there is the direct influence on Progressive Rock bands of their era such as Genesis, ELP Yes, etc. They were also directly influential to later Prog groups like Tool, Dream Theater, and Porcupine Tree. Also with their album Red they helped create a more hard rock/heavy metal version of Prog Rock that would influence bands like Rush, Mastodon, Opeth, etc. Even Kurt Cobain has mentioned that the album Red was very influential to him. You also have other random bands like Iron Maiden and Bad Religion that have stated them as an influence. Also many of their songs have been sampled in Hip-Hop and Techno/House recordings, most famously "21st Century Schizoid Man" on Kanye West's "Power."

Lastly, bandleader Robert Fripp was directly influential to both the New Wave and Art Pop/Rock scenes of the 70's and 80's as he played on numerous albums by David Bowie, Blondie, Talking Heads, Peter Gabriel, and Brian Eno. Incorporating his band's sounds into their albums. Also King Crimson's album Discipline totally fits in with those artists.

Also what made King Crimson great is they didn't keep trying to make the same album over and over again. Days of Future Passed by The Moody Blues is an amazing album, but every album afterwards to me feels like an attempt to recreate it and most of the time they fall sort. King Crimson was constantly evolving and changing. Going from pure-Progressive Rock, to Jazz Fusion, to a Hard Rock/Metal Prog, to New Wave/Art Rock. They never sit still and keep doing the same thing. That in itself is influential to many bands.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 10:31am


Wow, just checked in and saw this conversation unfolding. Great stuff. Thanks Gassman, you made most of the King Crimson arguments for me.

It really doesn't matter how popular they were or how big the tours were. Please refer back to the criteria that the Rockhall themselves claim they use. "Musical Excellence," where factors such as "Influence," "Innovation" and musical skill are considered. Nowhere in there is "sales" or how often they are played on the radio mentioned.

Now, it may be a different discussion if we talk about what the criteria "should be." I actually do believe that popularity and sales should be part of the equation, as this is a "popular" music that we are enshrining. But only part of the equation, and not the most important. That aside, the fact is that it is not part of the currently listed criteria.

So, let's take the Rockhall's own criteria regarding King Crimson. Influence? Influence is not about how many people bought their records or remember hearing them on the radio. Influence is musical influence on other musicians. And as Gassman rightfully discusses, Crimson's influence was massive. You could argue they were really ground zero for Progressive Rock as we know it, and just as importantly (also as Gassman pointed out), they stayed relevant longer than any other progressive rock band.

They didn't try and retread the same ground. Ever. Always evolving. That leads right into innovation. Nobody was more innovative in rock and roll. Nobody. Through daring improvisation, through pioneering the use of certain instruments (the Bass Stick, the mellotron, etc.)

They were one of the first to lay the groundwork for progressive rock eschewing the blues/r&b roots of almost every other genre of rock, instead using European influences and jazz.

The musicians to go through Crimson are a who's who of influential musicians on other musicians: Robert Fripp, Greg Lake, Bill Bruford, Tony Levin, Adrian Belew, Mel Collins, etc.

Musical Excellence and Innovation? Always evolving. Their debut is often considered the first great progressive rock record. We can argue that, of course. The trilogy of early to mid-70's records stretched rock improvisation to its absolute limits, more jazz and experimental classical than rock and roll. 'Red' brought elements of metal to prog. The trilogy of early 80's records seamlessly combined New Wave conciseness and sounds with experimental textures. 'Discipline' will blow you away if you listen to what they are doing. The 90's work, as Gassman said, influenced Tool and NIN.

Why I say King Crimson should have been the first progressive rock band in the Hall is because from them sprung so much of everything else. That, combined with a consistency. There is no really bad Crimson album. And more than a handful are absolute genius.

So, you are right in that they would probably not be voted in for a long time. They do not have the popular name recognition. That does not matter. Rockhall criteria: Innovation, Influence, Musical Excellence, Musical Skill...it is a no brainer.

Your turn.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 13:34pm


And Zuzu, I'm sorry, but to say that Styx has the potential to me more influential than King Crimson is patently absurd.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 13:38pm


KING, thanks for asking re: The Cars. Yes, I was quite excited to see The Cars finally nominated. You know they have always been near the top of my personal snubs lists.

Top five songs would be very hard. I know I'd put "Night Spots" and "A Dream Away" in there. I've also always loved the song "Heartbeat City." Man, so many. "Blue Tip" off their latest is up there with their best.

As far as who would vote for them, as I have criticized people like Roy for so long for being presumptuous enough to know how others will vote, I can't really go down that road. I just hope they get in.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 13:42pm


Thanks for the info. From what I was finding on allmusic and who sampled King Crimson only had slightly more credits than ELP.

I have so far only found general and not specific artist concerning ELP's influence due to moog.

I've found that Keith Emerson worked closely with Bob Moog in the 70s and that Moog recreated Keith Emerson's modular synthesizer. It sounds like Bob Moog thought Emerson had a lot to do with the popularity of his synthesizer.

I have found that ELP is also an influence for Dream Theater. Some of the other ones for ELP that I have found are Kansas, Spock's Beard, Asia and Triumverait.

For Emerson I found credits for John Mayall, Rod Stewart, Spinal Tap, California Transit Authority, Refugee, Pink Floyd, Ringo Star, Peter Tork and Marc Bonilla.

For Lake I found credits for The Who, Ringo Star, Parliment, Ozzy Osbourne, Yes, Lizard, April Wine and Diana Ross.

For Palmer I found credits for Roger Daltrey, John Wetton, Ringo Starr, Atomic Rooster and Mike Oldfield.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 14:31pm


What do you mean "credits"? That is not influence. that is simply other artists who E, L or P played on some of their material. Palmer did not influence Roger Daltrey, but played drums on some of his solo material. Greg Lake did not influence The Who (actually, Townshend was influenced by Lake-era King Crimson, so I take that back!), but Lake played bass on two latterday Who songs after John Entwistle died. That isn't really influence.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 17:12pm


Dezmond,

just from doing a quick check on Allmusic I am coming up with over 60 credits listed for Dennis DeYoung and Tommy Shaw. I want to double check these since I am coming up with names like Asia, Alice Cooper, Edgar Winter, Pink Floyd. Aerosmith,Warren Zevon and Van Morison under Tommy Shaw and I want to make certain that some of these are not related to Damm Yankees. So I might be a day or two getting back with proof.


There are several listed criteria for getting in the hall and they are constantly adjusting it and at times the non com and voting body quite frankly throw it out the window. You might not like it and I might not like it but popularity with the public and those who put artist in the hall plays a part in who gets in and who doesn't.

I once had an art teacher say that great art is universal. To me that says that the art is going to speak to a wide variety of people. As a general rule of thumb, if an artist has quality work then people will want to listen to and buy their music. There are exceptions both ways and there are other things to look at rule out or include these exceptions.

The truth is that they are not going to fill the hall with lesser known artist. They will put some in but they are to put in more of the known artist.

I am not trying to judge who is more influential. I am trying to figure out who is most likely to get in the prog category. the artist that are more well known both by the public and the nom com and voting body are more likely to get in the hall. If a lesser known artist is not well known by the nom com or voting body they are not going to get in. Part of the truth of the process is that the most important is not always the one to get in first.

Kansas' Dust In The Wind And Wayward Son are covered quite a bit. Some of the artist that cover them are Scorpions,Melanie, Crosby Stills and Nash, Steve Walsh and Butterfield Blues Band.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 17:26pm


This idea of Popularity can be ignored sure. King Crimson it may be true should have gone in first or early for Prog. That is assuming that there are huge prog fans in the Hall committee. Unfortunately there isn't. That's why In the case of Prog They would go with the popular first. It's only because it's a genre that the Hall finds hard to grasp.

Just to confuse things a little Tom Waits went in without the benefit of much Commercial success. The difference is the Hall is biased to what they like. Certainly Dr John had very little commercial success but was inducted. These are artists the Hall regards much better. They are weak with Prog and that's why they would go with the most popular.

In genres they like the Hall goes all out on Cult artists and artists with Little or no Commercial success. A recent example is Paul Butterfield. He certainly didn't have much Sales. They are weak when it comes to Prog. I am not an authority on Prog Rock like Enig. My knowledge of King Crimson is limited. All things being equal King Crimson perhaps should have gone in just as easily as let's say Patti Smith or Tom Waits.

I am simply predicting. That is not how it should be. By the way I like Paul Butterfield. They are an artist someone like Steve VAn Zant goes for. He doesn't like Prog. I have come to know that

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 17:37pm


Actually credits can be a variety of types. It can be playing or singing on a recording or a variety of other things that are done in the production of a recording. Artist are also given credit when their songs are covered or significantly sampled and that is a sign of being an influence.

It isn't just about influence. There are different criteria that is considered. It is also about other artist respecting your work. That shows that artist is considered to have musical excellence. They are not going to work with somebody they do not respect. Don't you think that they will probably vote for that artist?

Dezmond it is about will this artist vote for you. Do You think that members of the Who would vote for either ELP or King Crimson?

"We shall consider factors such as an artist's musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation and superiority in style and technique, but musical excellence shall be the essential qualification of induction." from the hall site

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 17:55pm


By quoting the Hall's criteria you proved my point. I am not predicting Crimson will be inducted any time soon. Maybe never. But I am saying what should happen, and based on their own criteria. True, they don't always follow their own criteria.

Again, "credits" are not influence. But if you want to play that game, Zuzu, check out Robert Fripp's credits. And don't just count the number, look at the quality too of who he has worked with. It is most impressive. Then check out Tony Levin's credits. Adrian Belew. Bill Bruford. And include Greg Lake too. Mel Collins. All Crimson alums.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 19:02pm


And even though I hate playing the game of who will vote for who, I imagine the members of The Who would vote for both. Townshend has said Crimson was an influence on him and once called Crimson's debut an "uncanny masterpiece." They would also probably vote for ELP because Greg Lake is a friend of their's.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 19:13pm


Ok, I did it for you. Going to Allmusic and counting Robert Fripp's credits I counted about 600. I stopped counting about 300 in and was about half way through, so give or take, around 600. People he's worked with? David Bowie, Talking Heads, Kanye West (sample), Peter Gabriel, etc. ELP was actually listed several times too.

Try Tony Levin and Bill Bruford you will see a similar story. Adrian Belew and Mel Collins will be in the hundreds too, I would guess.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 19:44pm


One other thing. The intro paragraph to Fripp's entry on Allmusic states: "Experimental guitar virtuoso who pushed rock boundaries with King Crimson and later became an electronic and avant-garde innovator."

That tracks the Rockhall criteria rather remarkably, doesn't it? Innovation. Influence. Musical excellence. Skill and style. All there rather nicely in a single sentence. You could say similar things about 4 or 5 other past members of Crimson. Hell, Tony Levin actually helped invent a new instrument that is used fairly regularly now.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 20:06pm


Dezmond,

I only count each name once and I don't count their own group. I came up with about 215 different ones on Robert Fripp. Only a handful of those names are already in the hall. That is a respectable total. I also check for big names too. Some of the artist are missing credits. I had found one that was better but I didn't bookmark it. It is only one thing I look at. You are going to have lower numbers for somebody that doesn't write their own material.

I'm not sure why you don't consider somebody covering or sampling a song as an indicator of influence. Don't you think it says something about an artist when their peers want to work with them. For example Chaka Khan has a lot of credits for vocals on other peoples albums. There are a number of big names and she sings for a variety of styles and genres. To me that shows depth of talent. Steve Winwood Said she was the one everybody wanted to sing with. You don't think that says something about her vocal abilities?

Look at the problem with Yes and Deep Purple getting in. Sometimes you need to get in some of the people that will support an artist first before they will get in.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 20:49pm


Dezmond

It seems King Crimson could use a strong advocate. There are plenty of knowledgeable FRL Regulars and Music lovers like Enig, Philip, Rick, Zuzu yourself etc. That would be excellent if the FRL Regulars could throw support or weight around a particular artist or artists. Suppose through writing and e-mails and other medium. It would be a strong year campaign for King Crimson and Moody Blues or another group. It's something to consider. There was a late push for The Cars. Maybe, that helped them over the top. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 21:07pm


"I'm not sure why you don't consider somebody covering or sampling a song as an indicator of influence. Don't you think it says something about an artist when their peers want to work with them. For example Chaka Khan has a lot of credits for vocals on other peoples albums. There are a number of big names and she sings for a variety of styles and genres. To me that shows depth of talent. Steve Winwood Said she was the one everybody wanted to sing with. You don't think that says something about her vocal abilities?"--Zuzu

Zuzu,

We've actually had this discussion before, and I dare say this is not the last time we'll have this conversation, either.

Covering and sampling CAN be an indicator of influence, but you have to be very careful when gauging that level of influence. It really has to be multiple artists and multiple songs. A song could be covered just because it's a huge smash and someone else wants to cash in on it with their take, which was an extremely common thing to do pre-Rock era. It could also be to have a song people know for album filler, which was an extremely common practice during the 60's. A song could be sample because it's got a great beat, hook, or moment in a song that makes a great loop to a song (classic example: the Winstons' "Amen, Brother")

Also, there's a difference between liking a song and liking an artist. Recent, personal example, I was browsing around on YouTube and came across Europop artist, Axelle Red. I was hooked by the first song I encountered, "Kennedy Boulevard"; however, looking for more songs, I was disappointed by the selection of other songs by her--bad ballads that were vastly different. Now that's not a perfect analogy, but just because you like one song by the artist doesn't mean you like the artist as a whole, nor find yourself influenced by them.

So, while you are correct in saying covering and sampling can be indicators of influence, they're not the most reliable indicators.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 00:22am


King Crimson's debut album, "In The Court Of The Crimson King" was a major influence on many nascent progressive rock bands. However, "Days Of Future Passed" by The Moody Blues was even more ubiquitous.

If King Crimson does happen to garner a nomination for Rock & Roll Induction, I will definitely support them.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 02:35am


I am so glad you chimed in Enig. I really don't know King Crimson enough. I know ELP very well. I would simply say that since those running the Hall know less about Prog than any of us chatting they wouldn't be smart enough for King Crimson right Now. Although I will add that Enig is far smarter on King Crimson than me.

From now on as I said I predict one Prog artist a year. I will stick with the Moody Blues. I thought it was an interesting point that in other genres the Hall has sometimes gone for artists with Little or No Sales like DR John and Tom Waits. However, When it comes to Prog the few that have gone in are the Most Popular. Genesis and Rush for instance. I don't see a whole bunch of Prog fans joining the Committee so Unfortunately that's How it goes. Yes seem to be next. I hope so personally.

I just want to Clarify I make predictions not what the Hall should do. In other Genres my Predictions can prove right. Singer/Songwriters and R&B. I will only predict one per year Now as a Nominee.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 05:33am


Ben, I think that the Commodores might not get in except as sidemen behind a Lionel Richie induction.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 10:56am

Now you are talking crazy!!! The Commodores will be nominated and inducted in the main performers category and Lionel Ritchie will be included in the induction as a Commodore. I'm sure Questlove will push for them eventually. The Commodores are like Genesis, the Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Earth, Wind & Fire. The Commodores are not like The Meters and the J.B.'s.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 09:46am


Roy,

You hit it on the Button. I was looking to discuss another Genre right Now. Excellent new Topic. In their Time The Commodores were more than Sideman. Sorry to disagree Zuzu. The Hall wouldn't just go by How they are looked on Now. I am not a big fan of the Commodores. I like a few songs. The fact is every year The Hall Nominates R&B choices. Questlove would push for them. Brick House is my Fav.

The Commodores seem like a logical choice in R&B. They are not like the Meters and JBs. So if those can get nominated then surely these guys. I may lean much more to Rock but it don't mean I won't predict R&B. I made the mistake of Predicting too Many White acts this year. So How about Commodores, Meters and War next Year. I don't want to dwell on 2017. Again I'll stick with this Year.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 10:49am


I think the FRL voters have the 5 inductees right:
NWA
NIN
Chicago
Deep Purple
Janet Jackson

I think if we get a #6 it will be a mercy entry for Chic. Of course, they could back door the J.B.s in another category.

Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 11:05am


Ben,

I'm not saying I think they should do this. I saying I think they may try to do it like several think they are going to do with Chaka Khan and Steve Miller.

On one hand you have Lionel Richie's solo work eclipsing the Commodores by a very large scale. As a solo artist Lionel Richie is recognized as a performer, songwriter and producer. Lionel Richie is a songwriter in the true sense. Artist not only covered his songs, they actually went up to him and asked him to write a song specifically for them.

On the other hand Brick House might help the Commodores buck the trend. That song was an anthem.

Whether the Commodores get in or not, will not make a difference on any question of Lionel Richie getting in as a solo artist.


Roy, Cubs are 0-3 against the Mets. They need to win the next 4 games to play in the World Series.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 12:22pm


On this small issue I think the Hall will try the Commodores first. If that doesn't work they'll try Lionel Richie solo. I don't like Lionel Richie but this is not about me. As you said what they tried with Rufus

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 18:55pm


I personally think that The Commodores should be inducted as a GROUP....Not Lionel Richie solo.
It was the Commodores that MADE Lionel Richie...not the other way around. Seeing as how 2 of their biggest, most well remembered signature hits, "BRICK HOUSE" and the Grammy-winning "NIGHT SHIFT" weren't even led by Lionel Richie, but by the group's OTHER lead singer, Walter "Clyde" Orange...that kinda kills the idea of Richie getting in alone.
Besides,Lionel Richie changed his style drastically after he left the Commodores to that of a Pop crooner , with very little R&B or Funk leanings... he went almost all Pop...so much so, in fact, that he was given the moniker "The Black Barry Manilow".
...Is Barry Manilow in the Hall ?
(see my point ?)
Since all of the guys wrote big hits, several of which, like "Machine Gun" ,"Slippery When Wet",and "Lady (You Bring Me Up)" weren't even WRITTEN by Richie, it makes no sense to simply induct him solo...and leave out William King, Tommy Mc Cleary, Walter "Clyde" Orange, Ron LaPread , and the late Milan Williams...since ALL OF THEM contributed in a BIG way, to the group's success .
The Commodores were always a GROUP effort.
...as a GROUP is how they should be inducted.

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 20:43pm


Bill G.

I do see your point. I already said they would try the Commodores first, I didn't stop to think about just How Pop Lionel Richie is. I don't like Lionel Richie. So that would please me personally. That's why I must Have said Commodores as a group. I'm planning on a bunch of predictions of R&b next year. It will make up for this year. I only predicted 1 or 2. I was focuses on other genres a lot.

There will be plenty of Rock Nominated I figure but a bunch of R&B. The only thing is to get the Chic thing over with.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.22.15 @ 05:07am


I would prefer Commodores to go in, rather than Lionel Ritchie solo. This from a person who saw Mr. Ritchie last year at Bonnaroo & was blown away by his set (one of the top 4 I saw that weekend).

I will say he's a hell of a lot better than Barry Manilow.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10.22.15 @ 07:11am


I couldn't agree More. The Commodores are very feasible as a Nominee. As soon as next Year. Perhaps the Hall is waiting for the Chic thing to be done. Lionel Richie not as likely as due him being so Pop. My Very Pop girlfriend loves both Barry Manilow and Mr. Richie solo.

I know Michael Jackson and Madonna both went in. Those are Pop Icons that worked with Rock Musicians. That as far as I know is not as evident with Mr. Richie. I have not checked his Credits. I wasn't planning to. He did I suppose but not too Much.

Commodores is more Clearly R&B than Mr. Richie. They had a whole bunch of Pop hits but also lots of R&B albums. It's another R&B choice to consider. This comes from a Rock fan such as myself. The Hall does also like R&B. The Commodores are not too shabby.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.22.15 @ 08:24am


Interesting fact that I learned in my Black Music History Class in undergrad was that Lionel Richie got his start in Country Music before joining The Commodores. Would explain Mr. Richie's solo career being less R&B than The Commodores.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.22.15 @ 09:40am


Still, Three Times a Lady and Easy were done by the Commodores. All Night Long Was Recorded by Lionel Richie. Endless Love was a duet done by Lionel Richie and Diane Ross.

They also tried to tag Melanie as the female Barry Manilow. Well they were also trying to push her into doing a Barry Manilow song. She didn't budge. Neither sounds anything like Barry Manilow.

Another good place for info on Lionel Richie is his entry in the Songwriters Hall of Fame.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.22.15 @ 10:48am


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Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10.22.15 @ 14:13pm


So now I return to chats of this Year. I feel the Cars, Chicago and Yes stand the best chance. IT's a Matter of Votes. I love Deep Purple but as Zuzu often points out How doe the General Public and in fact the Voters feel about them? When You say the Voters do you also mean the Voters. You probably are since some Voters are people like Van Morrison and Martha Reeves. I also believe Bill Clinton is a Voter.

I'm taking into account the R&B thing this year. Janet Jackson for instance seems like a really good Bet and I don't think her Nipplegate makes a difference. There is plenty of Rock Stars in that had controversy. There is a long list. I have mentioned that the Chic thing may be solved this year. I know there is sooo much Classic Rock Nominees However even though I don't like Chic that makes no difference.

Clearly I like Steve Miller sooo much more than Chic. I love Steve Miller. There has been this push for Chic so this may be their year. If Chic don't go in They could be hanging around Nom Lists for Years more. I feel Chic will go in.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.23.15 @ 05:45am


I'm impressed with the FRL voting thus far and actually think the current top 5 are a solid indicator of our 2016 inductees.

Janet Jackson
NWA
Chicago
Deep Purple
Nine Inch Nails

If there's a sixth - I'm hoping for The Smiths. But it may be Yes or Cheap Trick.

Posted by Mike on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 04:02am


These are the artists from the list of Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame nominees who I have voted for and who I feel absolutely deserve to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame:

1. Yes

2. Chicago

3. The Spinners

4. Deep Purple

5. The Cars

Other artists from the list who I think may be possibly inducted:

6. Steve Miller

7. Chic

8. Los Lobos

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 07:34am


Hey Enig,

I'm thinking that Deep Purple and the Spinners may fall short as deserved as they may be in their genres. I do think Chic will be inducted. I am not a Fan at all! It's just that they have the record for being Nominated.

I thought the Hall would give Up on Chic. Apparently Not. So the solution is Induct them even though I don't like them at all! I think the Hall has been trying for a Disco follow Up to Donna Summer since she went in.

Steve Miller is somewhere in the Middle. I love Steve Miller but they may fall short. Only 6 get inducted as far as I can tell.

No worries for the Cars, Chicago and Yes. They seem to be the strongest for Rock this year

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 13:38pm


Ben, why do you keep repeating that you don't like Chic? You mention this quite often but hardly elaborate about why you dislike them. Chic, love them or hate them, are a hugely influential act not only on Disco but popular music of the last 30+ years. I think you might be discounting Steve Miller a bit, I think he has the populist support from voters (akin to someone like Hall & Oates from a few years ago): too many hits to be ignored. I don't think the Cars are a shoe-in per-say especially with the competition this year (and I really like the Cars). It's good to see the Rock Hall embrace New Wave bands like the Cars too. Cheap Trick could be a dark-horse pick for this year but it depends on much support they generate. I'm pulling for them to get in this year.

Janet Jackson, Chicago and Yes seem like locks as of this moment. The other 3 spots could go either way. I think Chic will finally pull through, mainly because there are so many classic rock acts nominated this year that some of them are bound to cancel one another out (e.g., Deep Purple, The Cars). I still don't know if NWA will have enough support from the voters (even with that biopic, but if I'm a betting man I'd say they'll get in this year), and the same goes for Nine Inch Nails (who should have already been inducted last year).

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 14:22pm


I think Deep Purple will be inducted. Recent nominees and inductees over the last decade KISS, Rush, Heart, Metallica,Black Sabbath, Heart etc should throw some votes to Deep Purple. It also helps Deep Purple's cause that they continue to play shows and others members like Coverdale went on to have success with Whitesnake. Deep Purple is noted for Smoke On The Water but they had other classic songs Burn, Hush, Woman Of Tokyo, Space Truckin', Highway Star etc. It seems like Chicago that this is Deep Purple's Time. A Deep Purple induction would also help the logjam of hard rock/heavy metal bands such as Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motorhead, and Bon Jovi & Def Leppard. I can see Motley Crue inducted down the road. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 16:10pm


It's Hard to Say with the Steve Miller. They have a lot of hits. I love them all and love some of their Albums. Truthfully Steve Miller should have been in already. I would always Vote for Steve Miller. I'm just not totally sure enough Voters will agree. There are some that surely will Vote for them. They fall in the middle on chances.

I'm most sure about Cars, Chicago and Yes. I'm certainly including Janet Jackson in this. Nick we do agree on your 3 Locks. Chicago, Janet Jackson and Yes. I think the Cars will come through in support of New Wave. I'll drop the the Chic thing after this. Chic rubbed me the wrong way back in 79. I like other R&b like Earth Wind & Fire and War much more. I wasn't into the disco thing. However, I think since it's not about me Chic will be Inducted based on 10 nominations.

Nile Rogers in the Music Excellence category would work much better for me. He produced a David Bowie album and all sorts of other things. It's the fact that it's Chic as a group. Nile Rogers is the Influential one.

In any Case I don't think it will be an Classic Rock class. I'd love that.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 16:37pm


Ben, a couple of things that Steve Miller has going for him and I think he has a better chance than you think.

A lot of his songs have been sampled. I've read that the samplings are more current.

Before starting his band, Steve Miller did spend time in the blues community in Chicago. I haven't looked into who has worked with but I am sure there are some blues artist that are in the hall that would vote for him.


Without knowing why the repeat nominees didn't get enough votes to be inducted - I don't think any of these artist could be a considered a lock.


My main reason for thinking that Chicago is a lock is that I know of several artist that they have worked with either as individuals or as a band that have been inducted. There is also a possibility of more artist that I have read only generalities about that members of Chicago have worked with. Some of these artist may have some that have been inducted.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 18:09pm


I personally feel that Chicago and Janet Jackson are the only real locks at this point. No telling with the others.

If I was casting a ballot, I would not vote for Steve Miller. He should be nominated with the Steve Miller BAND. So annoying when they do that. I was half expecting/hoping they'd change it like they did with SRV, but so far it doesn't look like it.

Posted by dmg on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 18:15pm


Nile Rodgers is maybe the most influential member of Chic, but other members were also widely respected. Bernard Edwards was highly praised as a bass player. Edwards was the man behind the bassline of Good Times, quite possibly the greatest thing Chic has given to mankind. Ta dun, dun dun, ta dun dundundun I say a hip, hop, the hippie the hippie hiphop, you don't stop and another one gone, another one gone, another one bites the dust.

Edwards was an important producer as well, both in cooperation with Rodgers and by himself. Who, for instance, produced Robert Palmer's Addicted to Love or Duran Duran's A View to a Kill?

Edwards was also the producer and manager of The Power Station, which included not only Palmer and members of Duran Duran, but also Chic drummer Tony Thompson. Thompson's drum work is widely respected. He not only drummed on many of Rodgers' and Edwards'productions, but he also drummed with Led Zeppelin on Live Aid and was asked to go on a tour with them the next year, if not for a car accident. They don't just ask any drummer to replace John Bonham.

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 18:41pm


Well I will drop Chic very Soon. In the Case of Chic You do have to sell me personally but not as a Prediction. I firmly believe that Chic will be inducted for the Very reasons you say. My personal taste leads me to respect Nile Rodgers. I don't even have enough knowledge of the others.

Now since I don't feel the Class will be all Classic Rock simply because it never is Logic dictates that a longtime Nominee such as Chic will get in. I think this is the Year for Chic. I just wanted it to be clear that I am not a fan. I can see Chic getting the Votes.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 21:00pm


So I think this is the year for Chic because although I don't agree with it really The Hall will recognize the Influence. Janet Jackson is a real lock. More than Chic. There is also Chaka Khan. Now Chaka may be the least likely. If she don't get in then I say Steve Miller gets a spot. Nonetheless to reiterate. Here is my List of Predictions for 2016. Half Rock and half R&B.

The Cars
Chic
Chicago
Janet Jackson
Chaka Khan
Yes

It's been awhile since I posted the list. So there it is Now. It's a fair list with Half Rock and Half R&B. That's how certain Rock nominees get shut out.

My Dream list is this.
The Cars
Chicago
Deep Purple
Steve Miller
The Spinners
Yes

I got to admit I do have a sore spot for The Spinners. I like a bunch of tunes and represent old Soul. All Classic Rock would be great too. In either list it's All Classic in one way or another

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 21:21pm


Ben,

I really like your Dream inductees list. By the way, I am certainly quite okay with Chaka Khan's induction as well.

Although, I happen to prefer these artists the most:

Yes
Deep Purple
Chicago
The Spinners
The Cars
Steve Miller



Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 23:30pm


BEN
Interesting list. I think Chicago & Deep Purple will be inducted. Both are ranked as 2 of the biggest snubs right now and I think it's their time. That leaves 4 spots. Steve Miller is interesting with his 50 year longevity and had his SF 60's music plus his blues stay in Chicago. Has a good chance in his 70's now. Janet Jackson looks like a good headliner and has an impressive string of hits Black Cat, Rhythm Nation, Nasty Boys, That's The Way Love Goes. Janet turns 50 in May so that would be a nice present. Maybe, they can blow some balloons and give her some gifts. That leaves Enig's Prog band YES. The Spinners would be my last guess. They have earned this honor and 1 original left. It would be smart to do it now. So my 6 2015 Induction 1.Chicago 2.Deep Purple 3.Janet Jackson 4.Steve Miller 5.The Spinners 6.YES. This would be a strong class and open some logjams in the heavy metal hard rock & Prog genres. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 23:40pm


I have never set foot in New York City, nor have I taken a "proper" vacation in more than 27 years. However, I might be inclined to do so if Yes, Deep Purple and Chicago are inducted next year.

Even though, I had supported Rush's induction for more than 15 years prior to their actual induction, I did not attend that particular ceremony. I think that this illustrates just how important Yes's induction is!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10.25.15 @ 09:59am


Enig,

I think if Yes are Inducted and do think They will be it will be a Step in the right direction for bands that have been snubbed a long time and for Prog bands of course. Chicago has been snubbed a long time as well.

The Hall is due for a Prog addition. The last one was Rush. The irony is Yes came first. I think it's a matter of Popularity. That's why. In other genres the Hall goes for some lesser known artists that never had much Sales. It seems to me at least right now the Hall for Prog is going for the most popular ones. Perhaps that will change over time.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10.25.15 @ 19:15pm


Moody Blues & Zombies should be a no brainer...so apparently there is some political crap going on here that totally discredits the so-called R&R Hall of Fame. These are bands with proven fan bases that were heavily listen to when Rock was young...unlike some of the garbage they try to pass off as Rock today. Get it Right...or you're painting yourselves as nothing but a joke.

Posted by Terry Huffhines on Sunday, 10.25.15 @ 20:26pm


As we see the Hall is finally catching up on Snubs. Chicago and Yes have an incredibly Good chance. Zuzu, You have a good point about Steve Miller. The earliest album of his I know is Brave New World. The Notable track is Space Cowboy. It came out in 1969. I just wanted you to know my knowledge of Steve Miller goes back before his famous 70s stuff. Now if I'm wrong about 3 R&B choices then Steve Miller has a good chance.

Perhaps Chaka Khan will fall short for Votes. I'm predicting her. If she falls short that may put Steve Miller in. It's because of my prediction of half Classic Rock and Half Classic R&B that I left Steve Miller out. This issued 6 Inductees.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.26.15 @ 05:42am


Ben,

I doubt that 3 r&b acts will get enough votes. At some point they will have to shift and start to include some of the big snubs in country and folk. So for a while I think you are going to be seeing less than half r&b artist. I also feel that maybe 6 or 7 artist will be inducted this year. So maybe you will have the 3 r&b acts that you have been predicting. Greg Harris has said in interviews that there might be more than than five if the numbers are close.

I think they may go with a higher number because I don't think that there are as many locks as some people think.

I would put Steve Miller ahead of Yes. I don't think this has anything to do with being anti-prog. I think it has more to do with the huge glaring snubs of North American artist from the 70s. You have 2 glaring Canadian snubs as well as American.

Right now I wouldn't venture to guess who will be inducted. I am just going to stick with my dream list because I think everybody is going to be surprised.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.26.15 @ 06:34am


Zuzu,

In my Dream Class I have both Steve Miller and Yes at the Same time. Perhaps the real class will fall closer to my Dream Class. I've stayed away from Dream Classes in the past because I like to focus on real predictions. Heck so many here are doing it so might as well.

I will also share that the Spinners are in my Dream class. My Real class predictions has 3 others instead for R&B. Chic and Janet should get the Votes. Chaka Khan is slightly less likely. More chance than the Spinners I think. I just like the Spinners more.

If it's 2 R&B choices then Chic and Janet. Steve Miller could pull through. I will Hold steady with 3 R&b because I think Chic, Janet and Chaka Khan will all come through. Chaka has a bit of support. There are a lot of Rock and R&B Inductees that may Vote for her.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.26.15 @ 07:54am


Ben,

On the rock side I like Chicago, Steve Miller, Los Lobos and NIN and Chaka Khan for r&b. I think everybody is in for a surprise, myself included, this year so you may well be right about 3 r&b acts getting in.


A few tidbits about Steve Miller

Steve Miller's parents were best man and maid of honor at Les Paul and Mary Ford's wedding. They were guests at their home when Steve Miller was little.

Steve Miller jammed with Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf and Buddy Guy


Steve Miller and Peter Cetera connections

Both worked on Amos Galpin's album

Both live in Idaho.

Steve Miller worked with Paul Butterfield

Peter Cetera worked with Paul Butterfield on Dick Campbell's album

Steve Miller worked on John Lee Hooker's album

Kal David jammed with John Lee Hooker (Kal David was in the Exceptions with Peter Cetera)

I can't find anything definitive but I think there is enough connections to the same people that I find it hard to believe that they didn't cross paths in Chicago.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.26.15 @ 13:13pm


So I was having a chat at work about the new Rock Hall Nominees. The friend I talked to is a Musician and Music enthusiast. He is about 11 years Younger than me. Chicago he feels is a given like most of us do. I said Cheap Trick may fall short but Yes would win and be Inducted.

The friend feels that Cheap Trick sold albums in the 70s and had extensive MTV airplay. He feels they are more likely than Yes. I say NO. Yes are much more likely than Cheap Trick. Yes sold out arenas all through the 70s. Even TAles from Topographic Oceans sold well. They have been highly respected through the years.

The fact is My friend is Younger so he wouldn't know about their Heyday. He was an 80s kid. He got real into key Classic groups like Floyd and Zep. The Yes fame faded much more. However, Zep and Floyd are both in the Hall. So it's time due for Yes. The prog buzz comes from those my Age and Older. I remember something of their Heyday.

My friend was a bit little in the 80s too. I was not little at all. Cheap Trick had some MTV airplay. I don't think their success is enough to impact. Perhaps there is the Influence. The one thing that could get Cheap Trick in is it's A Steve VAn Zant fav. As I said Sales seem to factor in for Yes. Sales don't often factor in other genres. That could be the Case with Cheap Trick.

My friend also mentioned Deep Purple being key. What my friend don't realize is the Voting Body. Many members of Hard Rock inductees will Vote for Deep Purple. I would Vote for them if allowed. They will lose Votes with the real old artists and other genres. Martha Reeves and Jackson Browne are not as likely to Vote for Deep Purple

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10.27.15 @ 06:11am


Ben,

Unless you have something I don't think it is fair to say that Martha Reeves and Jackson Browne would not likely vote for Deep Purple. Would you expect Johnny Cash to cover a NIN song or Peter Cetera to wear a Bauhaus t-shirt?

Artist do not view music the way we do. They do not see the differences the way we do. They see the art that is there and the creativity. They see the core elements that are there that say this is quality work.

I may not be musically talented but I am well versed in the visual arts. Your core elements may not be the same but will be similar. Somebody may work in a style that is different from me or one that I get into, but that isn't going to stop me from appreciating the hard work that went into what they created.

I think Yes and Deep Purple's problem is that they are too narrow band. Great art is universal. look for signs that the artist creates works that gets the attention of the old guard, contemporaries and up and coming artist. Look for signs that they are noticed by artist outside their sub-genre and genre. This will show that their work is probably more well regarded.

Also look at who their audience is. Is it just young kids? Does it cross generational, gender and cultural lines?

I think it comes down to the problem being that there are other artist that the voting body feels better displays these core elements. I don't think the voting body is looking at good vs bad. I think they are putting artist in a scale and those that have a higher score will get in before others.

It's not about if an artist are deserving - it is about if there are artist that are considered more deserving.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.27.15 @ 07:51am


Zuzu,

Ok. I take that back. I said less likely anyway not Impossible. I happen to think Bob Dylan could voter for Nine Inch Nails due to his revolutionary attitude in music. Similar to Johnny Cash. It's also who they may support more. Who's to really say.

I take it back because Black Sabbath made it in. Support had to come from other kinds of Inductees. Besides Eventually perhaps Martha Reeves or Jackson Browne may Vote for Deep Purple I've just decided. Just maybe not this year. Chicago I think will get tremendous Votes. There is a lot of strong choices this Year. The Cars I think. Yes has quite a bit of support as well as Steve Miller. I won't give examples of artists anymore.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10.27.15 @ 14:32pm


Ben,

You never know what an artist listens to or appreciates. I found it interesting reading what the members of M & R Rush list in their bio's on their website.

Some artist keep up and others don't. According to Willie Dixon's daughter, she was the one that came across Led Zeppelin's recording of her father's songs. By the time they found out the statue of limitations had expired and they had to wait until Led Zeppelin reissued the album before they could sue.

So you never know. I wouldn't consider it definite unless they say that they are or are not voting for an artist. I only consider working together or mentioning an artist a probable. If they say somebody is an influence I consider that a high probability.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.27.15 @ 16:19pm


Zuzu,

Moving On. I will say that Cheap Trick and Deep Purple may not get as many Votes from the Voting Body as a whole as some of the others. I won't drop any names. Chicago to me is an real sure thing. They are known and liked all over. They are a Household name. So is Janet Jackson whether we like it or not.

Yes I do think are headed for the Hall. The Hall and the Voters will note that Chris Squire has passed. I do also think that Chic will go in. This is due to the support they have obviously with 10 Noms. I can see quite a bit of the Voters going for them. That leaves 2 spots. I gave my list a couple times. Now while I'm choosing the Cars and Chaka Khan for those 2 spots Steve Miller stands a good chance.

I don't see a lot of Votes for the JBs. I know they are the back up band for James Brown but there are so many real strong Nominees this Year.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10.28.15 @ 05:51am


Ben,

I know that I am the only one and I am not saying she won't get in, but from some things that I remember and from some things I have read, I don't think she is the lock everybody think she is.

You could be right about Yes and Chris Squire. I feel that JBs should just have been put in as sidemen. Chic obviously has the support of the nom com, but 10 years and not enough votes to get inducted? I feel that Chaka Khan has a stronger chance.

She has about 150 credits listed for other artist on Allmusic. some of them are:

George Benson - Kenny G - Quincy Jones - Robert Palmer - Eric Clapton -Luther Vandros - Chick Corea - Vince Garldi - David Foster - Herbie Hancock - Peter Cetera - Incognito - Tom Jones - De La Soul - Mary J Blige - Etta James - Aaron Neville - BB King - The Average White Band - Joni Mitchell - Rod Stewart - Stephen Bishop - Chicago - Phil Upchurch - Peabo Bryson - Questlove - Shaggy - Barry White - Ray Charles - Prince - Sinbad - Bruce Hornsby - The Manhattan Transfer - New Edition - The Gap Band - Christian McBride - Dionne Warwick

A few of the people she has worked with have votes.

:)
I was thinking that the Cubs loosing may actually work out better for Steve Goodman. I was thinking I'd start telling my all the Cubbies I knew that their curse won't be lifted until they get Steve Goodman into the hall. I would say it was a total funny but those Cubbies take their curses seriously. ;)

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10.28.15 @ 19:50pm


It’s both shocking and quite fascinating that Eddie Truck is now on the Rock Hall nominating Committee. I guess now he can shut up about the Rock Hall being unfair when he's a voter/nominating member . Perhaps Morello and him can get harder rock acts on the ballot. The sky's the limit here. In the video FRL posted of Truck’s announcement, he mentioned that he’s definitely voting for Deep Purple and Cheap Trick. He’ll probably lean to harder rock acts and probably 1970s-1980s artists. I think the other 3 votes are between the following: Yes, Nine Inch Nails, The Cars, Steve Miller, The Smiths. I doubt he’d vote for any soul/R&B (even if they are highly highly).

Zuzu, the Rock Hall must induct a woman each year or else they’ll be called sexist by critics and fans. Janet Jackson is the safe bet, especially when the ceremony takes place in NYC and she would easily be the headliner of that crop of nominees. Chaka Khan might have a chance, but I doubt she can be in the top 6 this year given the competition is so competitive.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 10.28.15 @ 23:02pm


^ "Highly Worthy"

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 10.28.15 @ 23:16pm


Nick - unless I'm mistaken, it says Trunk is a voter, not on the nominating committee.

Posted by DC on Wednesday, 10.28.15 @ 23:16pm


Maybe that's right and I misheard it. Either way this is big news, especially for Rock Hall followers given Truck's constant criticisms of the organization.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 10.28.15 @ 23:39pm


My initial reaction to Trunk becoming a voter was very negative, but I'm hearing that others have been added as well. I'm a big advocate for reforming the voting committee and see two possibilities.

If they're also adding people who understand the Alt nominees and where they fit in, more people who are knowledgeable about the post-70s music landscape and people who are more knowledgeable about Brit/European nominees, someone like Trunk who advocates for overlooked 70s rock acts could be a valuable piece of an overhaul. (There's also the problem of some very worthy pre-Beatles acts still sitting out there, but that's more of a NomComm issue right now.)

If they're just adding the king of the rockists and others who think like him the RRHoF is looking at trading one problem for another.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 01:33am


Eddie Trunk's Ballot

01. Yes
02. Chicago
03. The Cars
04. Cheap Trick
05. Deep Purple

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 06:12am


Re: Eddie Trunk, I especially care for metal, and I don't especially like him, but I can see the Rock Hall's logic in putting him on the Voting Committee.

As Lyndon Johnson once put it, with characteristic crudity, better to have someone inside your tent pissing out, than outside pissing in.

Posted by PopeCharming on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 09:42am


^
"DON'T especially care for metal."

Posted by PopeCharming on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 09:43am


Nick,

In this woman's opinion Janet Jackson makes them look like slobbering, drooling sexist who voted for her for her appeal rather than her talent. I've said it before and I will say it again, it is not about having more women in the hall it is about having a voice in who goes in to the hall. It is about having our opinions respected. Nominating Janet Jackson shows a lot of disrespect for women.

Read what I said again. I did not say she was not going to get enough votes. I said that her getting in was not a sure thing. I am basing this on the negativity that is out there related to her and her family. It is about what her brother was accused of and how the family handled it. It is about the rights to the Beatles' songs that the family is fighting Sir Paul on. It is about tidbits I have come across that think she is not the one to have written the songs she was given credit for. There may be or may not be enough votes for her to get in.

Getting a headliner may be the motives of the nom com but I doubt very much that the voting body is going to look at that as criteria to vote for her. It is going to be more about did her family spend enough money to buy her way in.

I was listing some of the major names for Chaka Khan more for a comparison to Chic. But if you want you can compare Janet Jackson's credits to Chaka Khan's credits go ahead. Chic really does not have many credits. Niles Rodgers does have a lot of credits but most of his credits are as a producer or composer. Maybe the nom com should have inducted Niles Rodgers as a writer or producer rather than nominating Chic for 10 years in a row. There has to be a reason they are not getting the votes. Maybe Niles Rodgers could even been put up as a solo nominee but I still think he would be better inducted as a composer or producer.

Eddie Trunk was given a vote to just shut him up. I doubt it will work. They need to have more female opinion and people with an understanding of folk and country's influence on rock during the 60s, 70s and 80s. They need to fill gaps and not jump ahead and leave more gaps.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 10:49am


Zuzu,
I don't think you get it: Janet Jackson will get inducted this year no matter what. Besides Chicago, she is the next best bet this year. It will be in NYC and they need a headliner. Who cares about the accusations against her brother (after all, he DID get inducted TWICE with the Jackson 5 and a solo artist, and this was AFTER he was first accused of those crimes). So you're idea that her chances are hurt based on her famous family seems unjustly and discredits her major influence on music since the late 80s. Plus she is probably the most famous and recognizable name on this year's ballot. I think you're taking this a little personally (for whatever reason) and believe me the Rock Hall cannot go a year without inducting a female act unless they want to be called a sexist institution (which in some ways they are). Plus Jackson is one of the most talented female performers of the last 30 years. It is rather insulting to suggest that she would have to "buy her way in" to get inducted to Rock Hall. Personally I think this is one of the biggest criticisms that the Rock Hall gets almost every year: they don't nominate or induct enough women in the Rock Hall. There are a ton of deserving female candidates on the outside looking in. In the case of Chaka Khan, yeah she should probably be in before Janet Jackson but this only shows the Rock Hall dropping the ball on worthy soul/female performers. I strongly disagree with why Chic isn't inducted thou: it's the Disco stigma that Rodgers and Company cannot shake off. No matter how many times the Committee nominates Chic, there will always be a segment of voters who refuse to vote for them based on their association with Disco. At least we agree about Eddie Trunk, someone who I don't like and believe has a mentality that seems too rockist for me. I do agree that Deep Purple and Cheap Trick should be inducted (and maybe that's it with my agreement with Trunk).

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 11:44am


Nick,

What do you see that guaranties her enough votes to get inducted? Who is she most recognizable with? Are you talking about the perspective of somebody that is too young to remember a time when there was no Janet Jackson? I am not only old enough to remember a time before Janet Jackson was in the public eye, I am also old enough to remember a time before Janet Jackson even existed. It gives you a different perspective.

For those of us that are older and are into rock, Janet Jackson is not the biggest thing on this year's list. Chicago is and the idea of Peter Cetera performing again with Chicago after about 30 years is bigger than anything that Janet Jackson could come up with. That includes any booby popping.

It's not that I don't get your perspective - It is that I can see things that I think you are missing. Are you familiar with the hoopla regarding the rights to the Beatles' songs and the falling out that Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson had? In season 4 of the Voice they were trying to push a Michael Jackson sub theme. A week after she performed a Michael Jackson song Judith Hill (she worked with Michael Jackson for a tour that was cancelled due to his death) was eliminated.

Nick talented in what way according to who? According to the media who love to hype her? I have seen criticism for her vocals and there are questions about whether she actually should have received credit for writing songs.

Look at Allmusic credits for both Janet Jackson and Chaka Khan. Notice that Chaka Khan has worked with a wide range artist in both style and era. Chaka Khan has also worked with more artist that have votes. Sure it is possible that she can get nominated. I just don't think that it is a lock. The nom com may think it terms of headliner but why would the voting body think in those terms? The voting body does not always give the nom com what they want.

Lets say you had a nom com comprised of at least 1/3 women most of whom would be over 50 - do you really think Janet Jackson would have even been nominated?

Actually soul female performers are very well represented until you get to the end of the 70s. The shortcomings for females are in country and folk and rock. Patsy Cline - Joan Baez - Melanie - Judy Collins - Pat Benatar If it wasn't for my dislike for double dips when so many deserving are overlooked I would also include Stevie Nicks.

Nick do some googling on the Jackson Family. They are really trying to push the accusations against Michael out of the public mind. Personally I think nipplegate was an intentional distraction from the lawsuits against her brother's estate concerning molestation. I realize that these kinds of things are easily blown off by the younger generation but keep in mind the younger generation does not dominate the voting body. It is the older generation that does and to a lot of people that are older these kinds of things do matter. This I would consider buying votes or at least making her look better. Read about what is going on with the rights to the Beatles songs then let me know what you think.

I think Chaka Khan is well regarded by her peers and is very deserving of being inducted. I do not feel the same way about Janet Jackson. I am not even sure how respected she is by her peers. I feel that you assume that just because younger artist like her that means the older artist do to. I feel that may not entirely be the case - at least not as many as I feel you think she is worthy.

Disco may be part of the problem with Chic but that may also be in part to later disco not being viewed as being as high quality as earlier disco. Some of what Earth Wind and Fire performed was considered disco and they are in. I still think Niles Rodgers has a lot more as an individual that the group Chic.

Eddie Trunk is a sexist. All of those shock jocks and their armies of followers are. Armies are little pervs with Peter Pan Syndrome. For the record 9 - 12 year old girls were called teeny boppers and boys of the same age were called little pervs. I think that there are more important artist from the 70s than the ones he is pushing. I can't forget he pushed for Kiss. In the 70s they were considered too juvenile to be good. This is like saying Picasso got into art because his mom gave him paint by number sets so now paint by number pieces should be put into art museums. There is influence and there is influence.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 14:59pm


Nick - You make some great points. Janet Jackson is the biggest star nominated in this year and probably the biggest lock for induction.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 15:34pm


Chaka Khan is one of my favorite artists. If she didm't get voted in several years ago with Rufus then it is what it is.

Chicago is overrated. Boo hoo syrypy bullshit.

Nine Inch Nails, Yes, NWA, Deep Purple and Janet Jackson will be our 2016 class.

Posted by Marissa on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 16:57pm


Marissa - That would be a great class, even though I am a fan of Chicago's early work.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 17:26pm


About the 2016 Nominees, Marissa wrote:

Chicago is overrated. Boo hoo syrypy bullshit.

Go listen to The Chicago Transit Authority through Chicago 13, and then go listen to Chicago XXX, XXXII, XXXVI.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 19:46pm


Zuzu,
I don’t wanna get into a pissing contest with you but give me a break if you don’t believe Janet Jackson is an influential artist. Aaliyah, Beyonce, Britney Spears, and Rihanna (and a slew of others) are some of the obvious artists influenced by Jackson. Also, Jackson's music videos were ground-breaking and memorable for their time, especially Rhythm Nation comes to mind. Besides Madonna, Jackson is arguably the other most successful and commercially popular female performer from the late 1980s to the early 2000s. Just look at the Rhythm Nation album, IMO her best album and the one that best incapsulates her legacy as a performer.

I still don’t understand for the life of me what Michael and her family has to do with her NOT getting a Rock Hall induction. You’re the only one who brings this up and she wasn’t even directly involved with Michael’s accusations. Just because you don’t like her, doesn’t mean you can dismiss her legacy. If crimes and “bad behavior” was ever a factor, then many HOF-ers would have never been considered. The Jackson family and their problems has NOTHING to do with an interference for Jackson’s potential induction. If anything, Janet has tried to separate himself from her family and became a global superstar on her own terms. She is very talented, haven’t you seen any of her concerts or performances? She is a fantastic live performer.

Thank you Gassman for your support and kind words.

An Entire Wikipedia Page is devoted to Jackson’s Influence and Legacy as a Performer (I rest my case):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artists_influenced_by_Janet_Jackson

Posted by Nick on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 00:11am


Zuzu: I'm not going to fight with you here either (and Nick has made great points already), but I have to ask: what did Judith Hill getting eliminated have to do with Janet Jackson's prospects?

That season of The Voice was country music on parade, and the winner of the season (Danielle Bradbury) sang exactly one non-country song (in the Battle round) in her entire run. The final six consisted of four country artists (or close to it). Keep in mind that until the final six became five, Blake Sheldon had a full team, and all three were country acts who, during the live performances, sang nothing but country songs and utterly prospered from it.

Was it the public being angry at Michael and his family? Or was it the public being all for country music that virtually every other artist had no chance to win?

Posted by SotN on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 04:09am


Ok. I just want to say I'm predicting both Janet Jackson and Chaka Khan for Induction. I have said that I don't feel the Class will be all Classic Rock. So logically if it's not I think since there is so many Classic artists of both Rock and R&B it will be half and half. Janet Jackson and Chaka Khan both make sense.

I am now going to change the subject to Chicago. Their albums in the 70s are great and have a High quality. Some fine albums. They were weaker in the 80s with their albums Pop hits. How is their newer albums? Chicago XXX and XXXI. Any other newer ones. 1989 my last memory of Chicago was some time ago. They were Very much Pop at that time. Not my cup of tea at all. 1989 was some time ago. I heard they went back to their earlier quality and simply Updated it for the Millenium. THat sounds good. This is where You Zuzu or Roy can respond.

Another Choice of mine Yes has done well with newer albums. I know several. I own lots of their Classic stuff like Close to the Edge. I own a whole bunch of theirs. I also own Talk and heard about the LAdder.

Newer Albums indicate an artist continuing which also shows strength. I personally don't think it matters. It helps perhaps. I was curious about the newer Chicago. The Cars even came back I know. I still feel these 3 are the strongest for Rock this year.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 04:58am


How is their newer albums? Chicago XXX and XXXI.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 04:58am

That's Chicago XXX, XXXII, XXXVI (30, 32, 36).

XXXII: Stone of Sisyphus | XXXVI: NOW

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 07:24am


Nick,

I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest. I think it may be a generational thing. That is probably why you do not understand where I am coming from. I don't think you got what I had been saying about a message with the polls either. I think people in their 40's are mixed and once you get to people over 50 you will have a different attitude for the most part.

How many people on here are over 50? That probably has a lot to do with why I am the only one saying anything. Look at the reaction. How many people are willing to deal with that? She may have one of the highest total of yes votes but she also has one of the highest number of no votes.

I never said she had no influence. I think her level of influence has been inflated and overstated. Look at those allmusic credits for all three (Janet Jackson, Chaka Khan and Niles Rodgers). Notice the huge difference between Janet Jackson and the other two. There is practically no depth in comparison. The artist that Chaka Khan and Niles Rodgers have worked with spans generations and genres. Chak Khan has worked with some of the same younger artist but she has also worked with some of the old guard like BB King, Etta James, Chick Corea, Eric Clapton and Steve Winwood. Now out of all the people that say they were influenced by her, how many of them mention anything other than dance. Dance does not rate very well with the nom com. Chubby Checker started a dance craze with the Twist in the early 60s that lasted for three years and he hasn't even been nominated.


ScotN,

Judith Hill's numbers dropped the week she did the Michael Jackson song. She went low enough the next week to not make the cut.

The Swon Brothers were not solid country. They were country - rock - folk fusion. They did songs by: The Eagles, Tom Petty, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, Kenny Loggins and Bob Seger performed with them in the finals. There did also add some country songs. So no, Blake Shelton's team was not solid Country.


Ben,

I stopped following Chicago after Peter Cetera left. I'm Southside Polish - what can I say. I can not stand how the kid sounds and I am not happy with how they treated Danny. Without Peter, Danny and Terry they could never get back to their earlier level of quality. They also can't get back the Chicago (the city) sound. I have heard that Danny's band California Transit Authority was better. Roy gets into the later stuff but this is where we have very different opinions.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 10:25am


FRL Regulars & RRHOF Nominees Guessers.

Found The Cars Greatest Hits in the bargain bin in a store and could not resist the purchase. Since The Cars are nominated for 2015 RRHOF, it makes sense to take a listen and give it an honest opinion. I would highlight 3 songs. 1.Just What I Needed 2.Tonight She Comes 3.Shake It Up. Enjoyed these 3 the best. Would give them 10/10 A+ grades.

Just some thoughts:1. Think Elliot Easton underrated guitar player. He let's loose on Shake It Up and other hits. Wish he shined more. 2.Gravitate to the Ben Orr songs more. Very good voice. Like Just What I Needed and the ballad Drive. 3.Prefer the more guitar driven tracks. Like the synthesizer in many of the songs but after awhile gets overused. 4.The Cars Greatest Hits shows a strong array of The Cars best songs. You probably could induct The Cars on the basis of the 1st album but they did make other quality album. I think Heartbeat City had some good hits too. Drive and Magic and You Might Think. 5.I would give The Cars Greatest Hits an A grade. They are deserving of RRHOF induction. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 16:30pm


King,

I agree with everything you said about the Cars. You seem to have experience with the Cars. I am into hundreds of Classic artists, I would say that the Cars are certainly my Time. I was there as a teenager when the Cars released their first album. I bought a bunch in the Original days of Vinyl. They certainly made other quality albums. Candy O and Panorama are good. Heartbeat City had some good hits and some good Deep Cuts too. It's Not the Night is a good one. Guitar driven.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 17:59pm


FRL Regulars and Music Fans.

I already suggested my 6 Inductees for this year's cycle. 1.Chicago 2.Deep Purple 3.Janet Jackson 4.Steve Miller 5.The Spinners 6. YES

Time for the Eraser Test! Could you tell the history of rock and roll if these bands never existed? Here's 12 bands future nominees or random groups. Would they pass the Eraser Test?
1.Huey Lewis & The News 2.Culture Club 3.George Michael 4.Scorpions 5.Jewel 6.Journey 7.The Escape Club 8.Bad Company 9.LL Cool J 10.America 11.Bryan Adams 12.The Guess Who
See who passes your test. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 19:15pm


Off the bat two I would think would pass are Journey and the Guess Who. The rest I would need more info.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 20:04pm


KING: this is certainly interesting. 1, 2 and 3 (as much as I have a soft spot for him) do not pass my eraser test. 4 (Scorpions) maybe, since you could credit them with giving a rock and metal platform for non English speaking countries. Jewel does not. Journey? Maybe due to how omnipresent they were, and love them or hate them the 80's power ballads were massive giants. Don't know The Escape Club, heard of America, LL Cool J I'd say maybe, since he certainly helped rap become one of the dominant musical styles. No on the rest.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 20:16pm


If I understand the exercise. Could we tell if the History of Rock 'Roll would be different if these bands never existed. I like some Huey Lewis but I don't think Rock History would different if they never existed. The same with Culture Club and George Michael. The Scorpions perhaps pass the Eraser test. If they had not existed German heavy metal bands and European Metal bands in General may have had trouble

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 21:54pm


I meant heard of America just don't know much about them

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 05:19am


I remember a few songs America did.

A Horse With No Name
Ventura Highway
I Need You
Tin Man
Lonely People
Sister Golden Hair

It's hard to remember the 70s without these songs, but I would put a lot more artist ahead of them as far as importance goes. Offhand I would say know unless somebody has more info about them.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 05:34am



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Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 07:42am


Zuzu,

I am also over 50 years old; in fact I am almost 54. Therefore, my perspective is probably very similar to yours. Many individuals in my age group tend to like "progressive rock" and of course, artists who have written their lyrics, their own music and know how to play an instrument; we are not impressed by lip synching and dancing. I have never met a single individual in my age group, who has ever purchased more than a few hit singles by any kind of dance artist, other than perhaps those of a disco artist, or if they had, they would not be willing to admit it. Many individuals in my age group tend to like classic rock and older rhythm and blues artists. Therefore artists such as: Chicago, Deep Purple, Yes, Steve Miller, The Cars and The Spinners will probably garner most of their votes.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 11:12am


Enigmaticus,

Thanks for the support. I'm about 3 or 4 years older than you. I'm old enough to remember Patsy Cline and the Twist - well barely. Most of my age group wasn't into prog as much. A lot of the people I knew went in different directions. I knew people who were also into country, folk and blues. I'm from Chicago so Chaka Khan would also be a pick. Don't forget Rufus worked with Chicago. Chaka Khan sang on a Chicago favorite around here, Take Me Back to Chicago.

The Cars not so much around here. And this might be different for some of those closer to your age. My younger brother is about a year younger than you but he was into pardy hardy rock and metal. Around here the ones closer to your age would go more for Cheap Trick.

Other than that I would say it was similar.

Disco did not go over well around here. I lived only a few mile away from Disco Demolition. My brother was part of the The Insane Coho Lips Army, Steve Dahl listeners. Saturday Night Fever came out and you did not dance.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 11:55am


Zuzu,

You are very welcome. I am not that familiar with that many people who were into the music of Cheap Trick. Softer rock artists were also very popular among people who are my age, however.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 13:33pm


I love what Peter Cetera has to say.



"October 24, 2015

Hold your horses all you folks that are so excited about this Hall of Fame voting. Let me remind you that whomever has this vendetta that has kept the original Chicago out of the HOF is still in charge. We should have been in years ago of course and that’s my point. They have put in so many who don’t belong that it’s an insult to think that they might have to be forced to at least finally put us in the nominee category. Also, this fan vote only counts for ONE vote out of the hundreds of voters out there so there’s still a chance for them to finagle their way out of “letting” us in. I also heard something about Chicago fans cheating by voting early and voting often! Keep it up because you never know what might happen!
Ciao, p"

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 19:34pm


Enigmaticus,

I have found that different areas have different preferences. Long term a good portion of my favorite artists turned out to be from Chicago or the region. With the exception of Chicago, I didn't find out until later where they were from.
The best way I can explain it is that we speak the same language.

Cheap Trick is from Rockford. Rockford is very close to Chicago. That could be part of the reason why they were more popular here.


Just out of curiosity, since you were studying architecture and are not too far away, have you seen Taliesin West?

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 19:59pm


ENIG
Enjoy your posts! Curious on what your FAV Deep Purple songs and how they fit into your Prog Adjacent system. We have some commonality there. Like Child In Time, Hush, Burn, Smoke On The Water, Woman of Tokyo, Highway Star. I really enjoyed the Burn album and the Burn song with Coverdale as singer. I'm really hoping Deep Purple is inducted too. No doubt Ritchie Blackmore was 1 of the best guitarists. Should be interesting all the Deep Purple group members over the years showing up. Many are still alive and playing shows. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 20:16pm


Re: the City Pages article, one of the shoddiest op/ed pieces I've seen.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 00:54am


Philip: I think it was supposed to be out of a sort of misguided satire, since the first section said something about how silly speculating on future inductees was since the ceremony has become more one sided. That's the only explanation for things like Deep Purple's cons, Steve Miller Band's pros, and Yes's entire section.

Problem is that I didn't find any of it funny.

Posted by SotN on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 01:57am


KING,

Thank you.

As far as "prog adjacent" songs by Deep Purple are concerned, I would also choose 'Perfect Strangers,' from "Perfect Strangers," also.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 03:27am


I was reading the Recent posts. I mentioned the Other day that the Cars had a few good albums. albums that rather well regarded. I do agree Zuzu that the Fan Vote doesn't count for Much. Chicago are running strong regardless due to the Voting Body. The Nom Com probably felt forced to put Chicago in the Nominee category.

I am 50 years old so I'm in there too with the 70s. I was a teenager when the 70s turned into the 80s. So I ended up with a large variety of Music. I remember America very Well. I don't think they are going into the Hall all that soon but I remember when they were big. People my age as with some of you like Classic Rock & old R&B.

Now since a lot of the Voters are 50 and Over I think it will be a Fairly good Classic class. Not just Rock as I've said. 4 of my predictions are the Cars, Chicago Chaka Khan and Yes. I feel those to be pretty darn Good. I do think Janet Jackson will get in too due to Votes from a lot of Younger Voters and some Older. I'm not mentioning names anymore.

I am not as huge on Prog as Enig but quite a bit. I owned a lot of Yes and ELP albums when I was Young. I also got into the Moody Blues a lot. I regret that I was 10 years late on them due to my Age. In my High School Various prog groups were still Talked about. Circa 1980.

People my age also do like the Who, Eric Clapton Steely Dan Led Zep Fleetwood Mac Journey and hundreds of others. Lots of 70s and 80s Hard Rock bands too.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 05:05am


The Blues Brothers were formed because Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi were not happy with the direction music was taking. Things change from generation to generation.

I can't help but think of some of the lyrics from Old Time Rock and Roll.

"Today's music ain't got the same soul ...

Don't try to take me to a disco
You'll never even get me out on the floor
In ten minutes I'll be late for the door ...

That kind of music just soothes the soul ...

Won't go to hear them play a tango
I'd rather hear some blues or funky old soul "

Ben, the man does not get credit for how smart he is. He gets that the fan vote sends a message. They may have expected this with Kiss fans but they got taken by surprise by Chicago fans. We pretty much have been flying under the radar but made our voices heard when it counts.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 12:01pm


Why are people upset that Chicago is # 1 in the Rock Hall fan poll, but not upset that Rush and KISS also finished # 1 in the fan poll? Chicago finishing # 1 in the poll is no surprise to me. Let me remind all of you again who you are dealing with here! This is Chicago! Of the 15 nominees on this year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot, Chicago is the number one all-time selling and charting act on the list. Chicago at # 1 makes sense!! Rock and Roll's Holy Quintet: The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Beach Boys, The Bee Gees, Chicago! Chicago will join the rest in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in 2016!

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 12:24pm


Now I'm thinking that Cheap Trick and the Cars are like the J. Geils Band, Heart, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, the Cure, The Replacements and the Smiths. They won't be inducted on their first nomination.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 14:48pm


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Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 17:05pm


Here are my 6 predictions for those to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2016 (realistically):

JANET JACKSON - Sure to be a headliner, and without a doubt she'll be the female representative for next year's class. While I do think there are several female rockers that deserve to get in before Ms. Janet, I think this is the right time. Her somewhat of a comeback, fueled by a tour and new album, will be kept in mind by voters. Age and the 2004 Super Bowl incident kind of sidelined her career, but hopefully this induction will remind people of her fabulous career.

N.W.A.- I'll be the 300th person to say that because of the recent success of their bio-pic, Straight Outta Compton, there is no reason why they shouldn't be inducted in 2016. The timing is right, even though they should have been first-year inductees.

CHICAGO - Let's all be honest here...one of the reasons the Rock Hall has lost respect and credibility over the years is because of them shunning many bands, though some have been inducted in recent years (KISS, Rush). One of those bands that many people wonder who are not in is Chicago. Look, I know they weren't really innovative, but they have contributed positively in music. Just ask the fans who come to their shows, bought their singles and albums, etc. Hell, just ask Bill Clinton (its his favorite band). Hopefully people have noticed in the last five years how quickly the pop favorites have gotten in. What I mean is when Neil Diamond, Hall & Oates and Linda Ronstadt were finally nominated (after several years of being eligible), they got in the HOF just like that. Snap! The same is going to happen for Chicago, like it or not. And I'm more than excited. I can't wait to see all the surviving members on stage, and hopefully Peter Cetera will make up with the band and perform. Gonna get exciting, folks!

THE SPINNERS - Yes they have been nominated 2 or 3 times but I do think this is their year. I happened to listen to their Greatest Hits the other day and I forgot about some of their great songs besides the few that everyone is familiar with. It's been almost 7 years since the typical R&B group have been inducted (Hall & Oates and the backing groups do not count!), and I believe the Spinners are destined to be the next to be enshrined.

NINE INCH NAILS - I also believe Trent Reznor will be the newest one inducted, kind of in place of the average 'first-ballot' inductee. I think they should get him out of the way before they start to induct all the 90s acts (Pearl Jam, Alanis, Radiohead, Beck, etc) so this will be a perfect fit between Green Day and Pearl Jam. David Bowie should definitely induct him.

DEEP PURPLE - Finding a sixth one was a challenge, so I finally gave into Deep Purple. Like Chicago, they are one of the most notable bands that have been shunned for many years. I think with a strong backup of people waiting for them to get in.

Believe me, the last three were not easy to come up with, so I envisioned on how they've kept it diverse over the years. This should put it like that. I wish I can put several groups on here (okay, maybe not the JB's, lol) but maybe next year hopefully we'll see Cheap Trick or The Cars inducted next year. I'm more than happy they are on the board. And hopefully the NomCom will figure out whether or not to include Steve Miller's 'band' and decide on either Chaka Khan or Rufus.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 21:32pm


One more guess as to the 2016 R&R HoF nominations:

My "official" votes (on the rockhall. com website)

The Cars
Cheap Trick
Deep Purple
The Spinners
Yes

Who I think will make it:

Chicago
Deep Purple
Janet Jackson
Yes

Beyond that, I have a tie between Chaka Khan, Chic (get it over with!) or the Spinners.

Posted by Joe on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 01:45am


Jason- Your predictions would make for a very good class. It's one of the more realistic and reasonable predictions that I've seen lately,

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 02:33am


Jason,

That is a good class. It is realistic. Mine is quite different though. I do agree with you on Janet Jackson and Chicago. I almost agree with your comments on Chicago. I just want to add that they were innovative on their first four Albums. This includes a Fantastic Live Album at Carnegie Hall. Zuzu would agree with this.

NWA and Nine Inch Nails make sense but I think the Hall will go Classic this year to catch up on the 70s artists. I feel the Cars and Yes will be in the Class instead. The Cars would represent New wave. It's been awhile since an artist of that genre went in. I think Blondie was the last. I am from that time. I can tell you that the Cars and Blondie tended to have the same fans back in 1978 1979. I was in fact a fan of both. I did not go on to be a huge New Wave fan during the mid 80s.

Yes I would think will most definitely get in due to the Big Buzz. There is a buzz for Prog in general but Particularly Yes. Added to that is that Chris Squire passed.

I happen to like the Spinners and I love Deep Purple. Now Deep Purple is loved at my job by us Classic Rockers but we also feel they will be snubbed for several more years. We used to joke that they would be inducted in 2027! Nooo they will go in Wayyy before that but perhaps not until 2018 or 2019.

I think this may be the year for Chic. I have stated my view on the group itself. A good point has been made that many rock artists would vote for them. I won't mention names.

Those are my thoughts on your list. It is a good admirable list nonetheless Jason. It is realistic. I'll stick with mine. A Half Rock Half R&B list.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 05:18am


Ben wrote:
Jason,

That is a good class. It is realistic. Mine is quite different though. I do agree with you on Janet Jackson and Chicago. I almost agree with your comments on Chicago. I just want to add that they were innovative on their first four Albums. This includes a Fantastic Live Album at Carnegie Hall. Zuzu would agree with this.

Monday, 11.2.15 @ 05:18am

I say the first 11 albums.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 06:45am


I say the first 4 for Chicago were Innovative but they were still Very good through Chicago XI. In other words the first 11 are pretty good.

Now I just want to say many of my Favs and other deserving artists are in. My Fav band is the Who. They went in right away. I am a huge fan of Neil Young and Eric Clapton as well, I don't talk a lot about those because they have been in a long time. In those day me and a lot of us thought the Hall was on the mark. I didn't think a lot about who was left out. I was real happy about the Grateful Dead and Allman Brothers too.

I did notice around 2000 that the Hall was still honoring the deep past with people like the Moonglows Lovin Spoonful and the Flamingos without honoring and in fact inducting deserving artists of the late 60s and early 70s. I was overjoyed when Bruce Springsteen went in. Same thing with Tom Petty and the Talking Heads. Clearly the biggest problem was that they shrank the Classes to 5. Had it stayed at 7 or 8 a year there would not have been such a problem. The Hall could have inducted the Dave Clark Five and Rush at the same time as an example in 2008. I always felt it was fair to honor the past before me. Shrinking the Classes was going too far.

If the classes had stayed at 8 let's say then Chicago may have at least gone in 5 years ago in 2010. Then Chicago would not have been as late. It would have been ideal that Chicago went in on time with Allman Brothers Zep and Neil Young. I suppose that's too much to ask. Couldn't Chicago at least have gone in alongside Jimmy Cliff and the Hollies. Same thing with Deep Purple and Yes. They could have gone in before this.

If you excuse me I'll be ordering some old Chicago albums.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 07:13am


I could probably flip-flop Deep Purple and Yes, because I know it could be one of them. As said about Chicago, those two bands are the reasons the Rock Hall has lost respect for not inducting them. And its not just coming from me. Just read all the comments on articles and social media sites. I just think with more people on the voting committee that love hard rock will finally take the chance on voting for Deep Purple. As for The Cars, I just don't see it happen this year. Would be nice though.

Unfortunately I haven't taken the time to listen to all of Chicago's early full-length albums. One of these days I'll have to crank up Spotify and start from the beginning.

As for Chic: from the get-go its been very hard for the R&B/disco group to compete with the other acts on the ballot (with the exception of two years ago, though they still didn't get in...). I got mixed thoughts but they could surpass Solomon Burke as the most times nominated.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 12:36pm


All 3 of these bands are the reasons the Rock Hall has lost respect. This goes back to my Post before on the big mistake of shrinking the Classes to 5 for about 6 years. They were already Biased to what they like and then they shrank it. I know very well who went in while others didn't. A bunch from the 60s and 70s that could have waited. I like some Dr John but because only 5 were going in he went in while Yes Chicago and many others were snubbed. They could have simply had larger classes and had all of them perhaps.

Chic is a concession of mine. It's based on so many Noms. I would love an all Classic Rock class instead.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 13:26pm


Jason,

You said Chicago wasn't innovative now and in the Chicago thread a couple of months ago. Let me repost what I said to that.

Chicago was considered the most easily recognizable band of the 70's. This means they were different and that takes innovation.

In several articles I have read that Chicago took integration of the horns to a new level. According to Lee what Chicago did was use the horns as a lead instrument.

When Chicago changed their name from CTA to Chicago they did something that I can't find anybody else before doing this. It was nver the name alone

Gibson used Peter Cetera for its bass ads. They were targeting musicians and I doubt they would respect somebody that was not doing something innovative. Google Peter Cetera and bass to see what actual bass players have to say about him. I believe you will find he is very respected bass player.

The switch from baritone to tenor being the standard occurred in the early 70's. Who do you think led the way - the singer defined as an elastic tenor who gets in your head and stays there or the guy defined as struggling and straining and still not getting it up there?

Chicago pushed the use of the 2 part song. In his book Danny explains how the record company gave them problems with the suites. The 2 part song was a way around this and became associated with Chicago. By the end of the 70's the 2 part song being played on even top 40 AM radio stations became a common occurrence.

Neil Diamond, Hall & Oates and Linda Ronstadt - I don't get the connection. If this is what you think I don't think you are really familiar with Chicago at all.

I remember the first time I saw Chicago on tv. They couldn't fit the whole band on the screen at the same time. They were different from any rock band I had seen or heard.

You need to hear the 72 Budokan concert and Sing a Mean Tune Kid from Carnegie Hall. Make sure it is not the digitally remastered version.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 14:44pm


What I was trying to say is if the Classes had remained 8 a year then to be fair some of the ones that went still could have but some of the snubs too. So Rush could have been Inducted earlier or Yes or Chicago at the same time as Dr John. Which is fine. It's the fact that Dr John and Neil Diamond went in at that time but not Rush Yes or Chicago. Rush have gone in since 2011. I was making a point of faster. If there were classes of 8 a year then heck I figure Chicago could have been in by Now.

That did not happen so here we are with this Problem. It has gone to 6 at least. I'm figuring on 6. I am going with Chicago, Janet Jackson and Yes as sure bets.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 14:54pm


Ben,

Shrinking classes and stalling the late 60s and 70s was part of the problem. They also were going into too many 80s artist too early. They also were putting in some of the wrong people and skipping some important artist.

I think part of the problem is the nom com was getting too old to appreciate the direction music was starting to take from the late 60s and into the 70s. I think they were getting too old. They were not bringing in people who understood where the music was centered at for the era. They still had their heads stuck in the British Invasion and the California sound when the center had moved to Chicago and the Heartland.

Another part of the problem is the allegations that the nom com has been putting up their favorites. One temp nom com member said an artist was passed through without any discussion. There are several artist that really do not belong in the hall. There is one whose album I bought and I enjoyed his music but other than connections I do not see enough for him to be in the hall. Too many people on the nom com have a vested interest in who gets in to the hall. Do you realize that members of the nom com managed artist. You want to bet these artist went in early.


I keep reading that the voting body needs to be reigned in but I think the nom com is where the problems lie. The Chic situation is ridiculous. It is like a bully tactic. I feel that an artist should not be nominated more than 3 times in a ten year period. They need to have a more open process and they need to be evaluated by the voting body.


;) You know I am going to have to say that Chicago should have been a first year eligible inductee. They were the main reason that the Midwest became the focal point for the 70s.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 15:49pm


Zuzu,

I'm glad you gave a response to that about Chicago. Jason stated that he's not familiar with the earlier work they did. I am Somewhat. I do know it took a long time for them to become more Pop. Saturday in the Park were more Pop but the albums they were on still had the Jazzy quality they were known for. Chicago were Innovative for sure. I say that the first 4 were Innovative. I'm not going so far as to say Chicago VII, VIII and 10 were but they are also of a good quality.

I don't get the connection with Neil Diamond, Hall & Oates and Linda Ronstadt either. Chicago were not primarily Pop Early on. Jason is Pro Chicago though. He just didn't realize they were way out and Innovative early On. Chicago are not simply a Pop fav. A listen to the first 5 Albums for sure tell you that. Dialogue is not Pop for instance. Not Really.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 15:51pm


Ben

Chicago wasn't a jazz rock fusion band. They were actually eclectic rock fusion. Yeah I know the critics said that but they got it wrong. A lot of their best songs did not have jazz elements at all.

Check out a few written by Peter: Little Miss Lovin, Hold On, Hideaway and Happy Man.


Bobby brought in jazz elements

Jimmy brought in pop, big band and classical elements

Terry brought in Blues elements

Danny brought in funk and r&b elements

Peter was more straight up rock but he did bring in folk, country and ethnic elements.

Check out this interview video. At about the 4:50 mark Jimmy talks about their influences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IirSI2TK3pU

Eclectic fusion is fairly common for a lot of artist from the Chicago area from the late 60s into the 80s. I can even hear the influence on John Mellencamp and Bob Seger and to a smaller extent Steve Miller. You can hear it in the folk artist from Chicago like Steve Goodman and John Prine too.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 16:16pm


After a long analysis and a lot guessing and discussions with my gut, I think the 5 inductees this year will be:

Janet Jackson - Too big of a name to ignore and also meets the need to induct more women into the HOF

Chicago - Now that they have been nominated, too big to pass over.

NWA - The movie will help to smooth over the tendancy of the voters to avoid bands with a high degree of edgy controversy and to them (see previous long delays for inducting bands like The Sex Pistols, The Stooges, and Black Sabbath, as well as the continued lack of support for the MC5).

Yes - Sympathy votes for Squire added to a band that was a near miss the last time they were nominated, that will send them over the top

Cheap Trick - Seems to be a "favorite band" of a large portion of the musicians who are voters in the HOF.

I also predict that contrary to the assumptions that The JB's will just go ahead and be inducted under the Musical Excellence award this year, that their appearance on this main ballot is due to the fact that they have selected a different trend setting funk band for that honor this year, and so this was a consolation prize for the JB's. The Musical Excellence Award will go to: The Meters

And finally I predict that they will not induct an early influence act this year, but will induct some industry people (Label execs and/or producers. My Predicition there is for the induction of Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons, the founders of Def Jam Records.

Posted by shrek on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 20:44pm


Zuzu - fair argument on Chicago's innovation. I just wasn't aware of all the little details. I've just always seen them as a pop singles band, which is funny because in the 70s that's not what Chicago was all about and they were against that! I remember reading somewhere when Columbia issued their first hits compilation (IX, I think?) based on all of their singles, they at first balked at the idea since they were not a 'singles' band. When I look at their chart history in a Joel Whitburn book it just gives me the idea that they were, perhaps in the wrong way.

Which brings me to the connection of Chicago/Neil Diamond/Hall & Oates/Linda Ronstadt. All four of them have had a successful run of pop singles and they could have been inducted earlier into the HOF. But once they were finally nominated after several years, everyone put them on the list. Of course, I could be saying the same about any of the 8 artists who have made their first ever appearance on this year's ballot. The Cars and Steve Miller were (and still are) those who had a great long run on the pop music charts.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 22:45pm


Another thing: if Tommy James (& the Shondells) and/or Three Dog Night were put on the ballot this year, I'm sure all the voters would put them in in a heartbeat since they are long overdue. Whether or not what anyone thinks about them, that is. As Ben points out, all of these 60s and 70s bands have been blocked over the years because of the limit of acts getting in year by year.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 22:48pm


Put me down as a huge no for Three Dog Night. Gloried cover band and one of our worse picks for the Rock Hall Revisited/Projected.

Tommy James on the other hand would be a great choice.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 23:23pm


Zuzu,

You do know the group Chicago. That's for sure. Thanks for clearing that up about Chicago wasn't Jazz Rock fusion. When I think About it that was someone like Jeff Beck in the Mid 70s. At least I knew about Chicago's Innovation. I know the tunes Hideaway and Happy Man. I owned some 70s Chicago albums decades ago. I remembered the Jazzy quality not the Eclectic fusion. You cleared that Up. Dialogue Parts 1 and 2 would then be Eclectic fusion. I was about order some Very old Chicago albums. CTA and III is the ones I was going for. Never owned III. I did V and VI long ago. I may order V.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 04:20am


Jason,

There is a lot of anti-Chicago propaganda out there and it seems in particular that Peter Cetera gets especially singled out. One of the I went to school with was from Peter Cetera's neighborhood so I think of the original Chicago members as my guys. I try to correct what misinformation I find out there.

I would not consider either Chicago or Neil Diamond pop but rather rock. Check out some of Neil Diamond's earlier songs from the 60s. If you are going to redefine rockers if they soften up as they get older as pop then you also need to redefine Paul McCartney, Rod Stewart and Elton John.

Ben,

I went through a rediscovery of Chicago after I started finding a lot of misinformation out there so I learned a lot that I didn't know growing up. Not sure if you are familiar with John Prine but I know you are familiar with Steve Goodman but both were fusing elements of rock, folk, country and blues. Both are folk artist but they fitted right in with the outlaws.

Gassman,

If you are going to call anybody that records songs written by other artist glorified cover artist then you are going to have to include Elvis. You do that and I know a lot of little old ladies that would go after you with their canes for trying that one. ;) If you do it for one you have to do it for all. No fair cheating by saying it only for the artist you personally do not like.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 10:31am


Anybody has any idea why it is so quiet at Digital Dream Door? Is it so difficult to be sour about the current ballot?

Posted by The_Claw on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 16:42pm


Elvis obviously was broke huge amounts of ground and was extremely important for obvious reasons that don't need to be stated. He also started in a different era where it was acceptable for credible artists to record other people's songs. However after Bob Dylan, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, etc it is expected that you write your own material. This is one of my complaints to Linda Ronstadt being inducted, but at least she took other folks compositions and took them in another direction, in doing so making them her own. Also she continued to evolve and grow as an from the 60's to the 90's. Three Dog Night was just a small blip on the radar in the late 60's and early 70's with a few #1 hits that blended in nicely with the popular culture of the day. In that respects I would almost compare them to LMFAO, the electro/hip-hop duo. They've had 2 #1 hits and they really gel well with popular culture today, but in 30-40 years they will be largely forgotten other than an occasional play on Adult Contemporary or Oldies (I guess they call it Greatest Hits) station.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 18:12pm


Where is it written that Three Dog Night was called out for not writing their own songs? Where is it written that the rule was you needed to write your own music? Give me something contemporary to the era and not some history revisionist kid writing a blog.

The funny thing is I don't remember anything in the 70s being said about this. If anything I have come across several instances in my research where people were having hits with songs written by other people. The funny thing is that many of them also wrote songs that other people had hits with. Go figure huh!

You are aware that often the writers approached well known artist and pitched their material to them. The recording artist got a hit and the struggling songwriter got royalties that payed their bills why they tried to break through. As a matter of fact several established artist intentionally recorded these new artist to give them a hand.

Back to Elvis. Elvis recorded three songs written by Jerry Reed in the 70s. He asked Reed to play on some of his recordings. As a matter of fact Reed wrote a song called Tupelo Mississippi Flash about Elvis. By the way this was in the late 60s. I should also mention that Johnny Cash recorded a Jerry Reed song.

LMFAO compares to Three Dog Night - seriously? Go look at the thread for both. Three Dog Night is not forgotten with 1419 votes at 81% and 115 comments and 3 songs listed. LMFAO does not even come close with 20% and 377 votes and a whole whopping 6 comments. And get this LMFAO is current and Three Dog Night recorded their first song almost 50 years ago. Three Dog Night had 21 count them 21 top 40 hits. Not exactly a flash in the pan. They were also having hits for 8 years running. Can't say the same about LMFAO now can you. Who is forgotten?

Gassman here is the big problem I have with your method of evaluation. It's too subjective. You are letting your personal tastes control your evaluations. You need some hardcore facts so that your evaluations are more objective.

Maybe you should check them out before you comment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CuNBengxaQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKaQzQAlNn4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtAlzo_pqys

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 19:35pm


Three Dog Night seems to be very polarizing in RRHoF terms.

To me they're a good example of how shaky an artist's candidacy can be if it's based solely on chart/commercial success and not much else.

I have no problem with commercial success. I think it's often overvalued, but I don't see it as a negative or disqualifier if you have something else in your favor to go with it. With Three Dog Night I just cant find that other qualifier.

And it's nothing to do with my lack of enjoyment of their music or genre. Looking just at this year's RRHoF ballot I'd rather slice my ears off with a razor blade than listen to Chicago, Yes or Steve Miller, but I think they're all deserving of induction. In one way or another I feel that way about every act on this year's ballot.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 19:46pm


Here are the originals.

Laura Nyro - Eli's Coming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfW41eKUkKE

Randy Newman - Mama Told Me Not to Come

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUmLAGEHB0U

Leo Sayer - The Show Must Go On

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6gEkfwozhE

Some times the writer is not the best to interpret the work. I can even say that about one of my favorite artists and I like the original version but the cover was better.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 19:58pm


Dezmond,

Did you ever have an opportunity to read my follow-ups to your response about my critique of Kiko? You'll have to scroll up about halfway as I posted my replies on 10/16, but I thought you might be interested in reading them, as I clarified on some of the statements I made in my previous post regarding Kiko. You may find particular interest in my evaluation of what musical instruments most strike my fancy as well as the principles upon which I base my musical tastes and critiques.

Posted by Zach on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 20:30pm


Dezmond,

Did you ever have an opportunity to read my follow-ups to your response about my critique of Kiko? You'll have to scroll up about halfway as I posted my replies on 10/16, but I thought you might be interested in reading them, as I clarified on some of the statements I made in my previous post regarding Kiko. You may find particular interest in my evaluation of what musical instruments most strike my fancy as well as the principles upon which I base my musical tastes and critiques.

Posted by Zach on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 20:31pm


The hall has gotten a lot of flack for choices that have been made. Some of those choices go right to song writer over performer. I don't recall anything about artist being put down for not writing their own songs back in the 70s. I would have said 60s too but I was too young to have noticed.

For the record I don't have Three Dog Night at the top of my list for 70s artists. As a matter of fact I have about 2 dozen 70s artist ahead of them. My bone of contention is that they didn't write their own songs is being used as an excuse for why they should not be in the hall.

An artist that does not write their own songs should not be disqualified and an artist should not automatically be considered because they wrote their own songs. Some of the song writing performers were pretty mediocre. I see several elements that add to a whole in evaluating an artist. Some artist will be high in one area but low in another.

Now back to those song writing performers. Some of them have rumors circulating that they actually did not write their own material but had ghost writers do it for them and took the credit. You also have some that have been accused of stealing material and claiming it as their own original work. Some of these artist are in the hall. One of those artist are among this year's nominees.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 20:50pm


Here's my early (and first) prediction for inductees this year. Thinking about all of the R&B (and funk) artists in the voting block, I just can't see a straight-up classic rock inductee class.

Chicago
Janet Jackson
The J.B.'s
Deep Purple
The Spinners

Posted by dmg on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 21:33pm


http://laradiosessions.com/audio/LARSMarsh10-10-15.mp3

Dave Marsh on the 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 21:56pm


Just finished listening. What a great and informative interview.

Posted by dmg on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 22:33pm


That was a great interview with Dave Marsh. There were a lot of things I didn’t know like he was a big fan of The Cars, Cheap Trick, Deep Purple and Los Lobos. These are the 4 I think he’ll definitely vote for and the 5th choice seems to be up for grabs, probably an R&B/Funk act. He definitely won’t be voting for Janet Jackson, Chicago, Nine Inch Nails, Yes, or Steve Miller. I don’t always agree with Marsh’s views, like there are “only 750 who know rock music,” (comes across too pretentious) but it’s always interesting and thought-provoking.

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 23:10pm


I'll go with a prediction of a class of six: Janet Jackson, Chicago, Nine Inch Nails, Yes, NWA and Steve Miller. (The Spinners and Los Lobos are two darkhohorse picks that I could see happening, though.)

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 23:22pm


In all honesty I see the JB's as a back-door induction. I know that won't sit well with many, but I'd rather that happen than see them on the ballot again. Nothing against them...

Yes I know they were a self-contained band. But their songs show up on James Brown compilations, plus the band's career pretty much paralleled James Brown's as their style of funk faded to disco in the mid-1970s. Anyone agree?

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 00:31am


I love the Marsh's line: "It's not how famous you are, it's how famous you should be." I don't agree with all of his opinions on the artists, but that line is 100% on point.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 00:47am


Chicago lost Terry Kath 11 albums in, not 4 albums in as that Dave Marsh interviewer says. Calling Chicago a vehicle for their guitar player.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 02:58am


Dave Marsh doesn't know who he can compare to Chicago and says Dave Brubeck is better than Chicago. Dave Marsh sarcastically asks which is better Roundabout or 25 Or 6 To 4.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 05:02am


From that Dave Marsh interview it appears he will be voting for Deep Purple, Cheap Trick, the Cars, Los Lobos, and his fifth vote will go to either Chic or the Spinners.

Does Dave Marsh vote? He didn't even know that the Cars were on the ballot. Didn't he get his yet?

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 05:30am


UPDATE! Deep Purple moves ahead of Steve Miller and it will stay that way!

01. Chicago 23.47% (37494635 votes)
02. Yes 16.17% (25843203 votes)
03. The Cars 16.17% (25833737 votes)
04. Deep Purple 15.92% (25433215 votes)
05. Steve Miller 15.92% (25432219 votes)
06. Janet Jackson 5.90% (9426644 votes)
07. Cheap Trick 1.37% (2186365 votes)
08. The Spinners 1.27% (2026795 votes)
09. Chaka Khan 1.15% (1831515 votes)
10. Chic 0.83% (1327828 votes)
11. The J.B.'s 0.59% (936013 votes)
12. N.W.A 0.41% (655932 votes)
13. Nine Inch Nails 0.33% (524231 votes)
14. The Smiths 0.29% (455450 votes)
15. Los Lobos 0.24% (379858 votes)

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 07:51am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huIyiLG7l8w

ARTISAN NEWS - CHICAGO LEADS

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 12:36pm


So Tom DeSavia is voting for Cheap Trick & the J.B.'s...

https://twitter.com/desavia?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Posted by dmg on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 16:58pm


About the 2016 Nominees, dmg wrote:
So Tom DeSavia is voting for Cheap Trick & the J.B.'s...

https://twitter.com/desavia?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 16:58pm

From all his comments it appears he's voting for Cheap Trick, the Cars, the Smiths, Los Lobos and the J.B.'s

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 18:07pm


Dave Marsh said he needed four people to review Chicago's Live At Carnegie for his Creem magazine. One for each disc. Also, Kiss fans never grew up, they're still sixteen years old, and that's the difference between Kiss fans and Cheap Trick fans. Plus, if he knew that Kiss fans would shut up about Kiss, he would have voted them in a long time ago. Dave Marsh also said that Los Lobos is the most qualified and deserving act on this year's nominees list behind Deep Purple.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11.5.15 @ 07:09am


Roy,

Look at that. Chicago, The Cars and Yes have the Top 3 spots in the Fan Vote. Unfortunately the Fan Vote doesn't count for Much. I read something like each artist gets a Vote. Somebody should clarify. However, Somehow whoever is #1 gets Inducted. I think that the ones in the Top 3 will get the big Votes from The Voting Body. I won't mention names anymore.

Some writers may Vote for JBs Los Lobos and Cheap Trick but I just don't think a lot of the Inductees already in will. I think Chic and the Spinners will get a lot of Votes from the Voting Body. I think will pick up Votes because a couple of the Guys helped out Rock artists. Again no Names. I'll keep my own view of the group out of it. Others like Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Janet Jackson and Chaka Khan should get the Votes.

Nine Inch Nails and NWA will get some votes but I don't think enough due to all the other Choices.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11.5.15 @ 08:37am


"I read something like each artist gets a Vote."

Yes, each of the top five get one vote.

"However, Somehow whoever is #1 gets Inducted."

It's worked out that way in the past years, though it's coincidental. The top vote getter in the poll doesn't get an automatic induction.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 11.5.15 @ 17:53pm


KING: I want to reply to your post on the Moody Blues page, but I'd rather do so here since it'd be more relevant here.

I think Moody Blues would benefit, but I think the idea may be a bit more complex. Yes would be the Moody Blues' best benefactor. Deep Purple would probably be more a herald for hard rock and metal (and Judas Priest may be the best follow up to them). Chicago, in my opinion, would easily pave the way for ELO in that both bands have prog rock tones, but had enough edge to make for worthy radio tunes. However, ELO would also benefit from many of the classic rock bands in the ballot (the Cars could do it too).

Good question for anyone interested: in the event of any act from this ballot getting in (any at all), what act would you see getting a rub from that act? Basically, who would be a good follow-up next year? The only conditions are that the act had to, at the very least, been considered for nomination before (according to our list) or become eligible next year.

Posted by SotN on Thursday, 11.5.15 @ 21:24pm


The Cars: Eurymthics
Chicago: Blood, Sweet and Tears or ELO
Yes: Moody Blues or Procol Harum or King Crimson
Deep Purple: Judas Priest or Iron Maiden
Chic: The Average White Band
The J.B.'s: The Meters
Janet Jackson: Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey
The Spinners: The Commodores
The Smiths: The Replacements or Sonic Youth or Pixies
Steve Miller: Boz Scaggs or The J. Geils Band
Cheap Trick: T.Rex or Roxy Music
Chaka Khan: Whitney Houston or Grace Jones
N.W.A: LL Cool J or 2 Pac or Eric B. & Rakim
Nine Inch Nails: Depeche Mode or Kraftwerk
Los Lobos: Lucinda Williams

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 11.5.15 @ 22:24pm


Kind of hilarious to see the shoe on the other foot for Eddie Trunk. The Sabbath is always Blacker on the other side of the ballot.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 00:53am


Chicago paving the way for ELO or BST? NO - NO!!
Chicago is not prog and BST had a totally different sound.

I think this type of logic is too linear for Chicago. You need to think multidimensionally. Think more in terms of heartland rock and the Chicago sound and spread out from there.

I see Chicago opening the way primarily for Journey - REO - Styx - Kansas - The Guess Who - Grand Funk - the Buckinghams - Ides of March - Tommy James and the Shondells.

Then there is the secondary wave that includes such artist as Boston, BTO and MTB.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 04:05am


I see Chicago perhaps opening the doors for jazz fusion like Blood, Sweet and Tears, Return to Forever and Mahanisu Orchestra too. As well as more jazz acts. Since Chicago had jazz incorporated in their sound and I can't help think that more jazz fusion will follow Chicago's induction. Perhaps I'm wrong about elo connection with chicago but I see Yes paving the way for them as well as moody blues, procol harum and king crimson though. I'm in agreement that Chicago could also open the door for heartland rock like above acts mentioned.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 04:24am


I think the nom com is clearing the shelves of previously considered artist and artist that there is an outcry for. I don't really see an outcry for jazz rock fusion. Chicago was eclectic rock fusion not jazz rock fusion. Jazz was only one of several genres they fused with rock. I just brought this point up a few days ago on this thread. Chicago did not consider themselves to be jazz rock fusion - the critics did and they were wrong. Check out what Jimmy has to say at about the 4:50 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IirSI2TK3pU

I don't see the nom com going the jazz rock route at this time. I can see prog and hard rock and also I see the nom com starting to pick up on some overlooked country and folk artist. I see the nom com eventually dialing back on the number of r&b artist nominated each year. I think that eventually it will sink in that they are going to have to give a little more thought to which r&b artist they pick otherwise it will get to the point that r&b artist will not get the vote. They also need to reconsider their views on disco. They are getting backlash for that one from certain quarters and I see a possibility of it building.

As far as prog goes I still see Kansas and Styx having a better chance of getting votes and then a switch to the Brits because those two along with Chicago will add votes for prog artist. I would think that ELP would be ahead of Procol Harum and possibly even King Crimson. I am talking about who I see having an easier time getting votes and not who is more important or more deserving.

A note on Mahavishnu Orchestra. They have a Chicago connection. Jerry Goodman is from Chicago and was in a Chicago group called the Flock. The record company destroyed the Flock by pulling Jerry Goodman out and putting him in Mahavishnu Orchestra.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 09:02am


Greg F: I agree with a lot of your choices, but I have a few differences:

The Cars: Eurymthics
Chicago: Electric Light Orchestra (Not based on genre, but by big popular snub)
Yes: Procol Harum (Based on Dave Marsh interview)
Deep Purple: Judas Priest (Based on Tom Morello interview)
Chic: Average White Band (?uestlove's t-shirt, lol)
The J.B.'s: The Meters
Janet Jackson: Whitney Houston
The Spinners: The Commodores
The Smiths: The Cure
Steve Miller: The J. Geils Band
Cheap Trick: T.Rex (Dave Marsh interview makes it sound like this could happen soon)
Chaka Khan: The Marvelettes (I could see them going back)
N.W.A: 2pac
Nine Inch Nails: Kraftwerk (As wrong as the order would be)
Los Lobos: Willie Nelson (Or any other left-field pick)

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 10:19am


The Cars: Joy Division/New Order
Chicago: Jan and Dean, the Monkees
Yes: King Crimson
Deep Purple: Iron Maiden
Chic: WHAM!/George Michael
The J.B.'s: The Meters
Janet Jackson: Whitney Houston
The Spinners: The Commodores, Kool & the Gang
The Smiths: The Cure
Steve Miller: Todd Rundgren
Cheap Trick: T.Rex
Chaka Khan: Dionne Warwick
Nine Inch Nails: Kraftwerk
Los Lobos: Miami Sound Machine

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 10:59am


The Cars: INXS
Chicago: Boston
Yes: Styx
Deep Purple: Judas Priest
Chic: Kool & the Gang
The J.B.'s: Rick James
Janet Jackson: Kylie Minogue
The Spinners: Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes
The Smiths: Joy Division
Steve Miller: The Doobie Brothers
Cheap Trick: Sweet
Chaka Khan: Whitney Houston
N.W.A: Tupac Shakur
Nine Inch Nails: Ministry
Los Lobos: War

Posted by dmg on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 12:27pm


DMG - I agree with you 100% that Chaka Khan would be the one to open it up for Whitney Houston.

I would tie Styx to Chicago more because they did tour together and members of Styx grew up in the neighborhood next door to Peter Cetera's neighborhood. Yes and Styx may both be considered prog but I think that the Chicago effect is a lot stronger. Members of M & R Rush who are from the same neighborhood as Styx and opened for them list both Styx and Chicago as an influence or among their favorite artists.

I see some of these artist being nominated a dead end since I think the people they would have opened the door for are already inducted. I am surprised that nobody mentioned Steppenwolf for Deep Purple.

Roy - I really would like to see your logic on the Monkees and Jan and Dean for Chicago.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 13:39pm


As the nominating committee is currently configured and will probably be configured in the future, Styx will never be nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. There are at least 50 groups that they would go with first as there is little to no respect for Styx in the music critic world. Also they have never even been previously considered in the committee (check out the list towards the bottom of the tabs on the left). It would be one of the biggest shocks for the institution if they were nominated.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 13:46pm


The Cars - The B-52's

(Either them or Devo. Both seem to give off the exact same quirky nerdy new wave vibe that The Cars do, as opposed to bands like Duran Duran/Eurythmics, which don't.)

Chicago - Blood, Sweat, & Tears

(If they get in it will be for their '70s jazz rock, not their '80s soft arena rock which honestly comes closer to Survivor than Boston or Journey anyway)

Yes - Procol Harum

(seems like they're going in order of popularity for prog rather than innovation/influence, even more than they do in many other genres, but here I think the '60s fixation will win)

Deep Purple - Judas Priest

Chic - Daft Punk

(if they are having this much trouble, I think it's clear no other classic disco group will get in after they do)

The J.B.s - The Meters
Janet Jackson - Mariah Carey
The Spinners - The Commodores
The Smiths - The Cure
Steve Miller - one of the Winter brothers, not sure which...probably Johnny since he recently died

Cheap Trick - Badfinger

(T. Rex is a more important snub but they and Badfinger basically are considered the two giants of power pop, at least until Weezer)

Chaka Khan - Whitney Houston
N.W.A. - 2pac
Nine Inch Nails - Kraftwerk

(again bewildering but whatever...)

Los Lobos - Tracy Chapman

(overlooked briefly popular contemporaries who blended lots of different genres breaking stereotypical racial boundaries...both seem to be the kind of thing the Hall would love and would be great dark horse contenders to make it any year nominated)

Posted by Sean on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 14:44pm


I'm honestly more shocked they let Chuck Eddy onto the Voting Committee than Eddie Trunk, actually.

I enjoy Eddy's writing quite a bit as humor. I think all three of his books are hilarious. "Stairway to Hell" was very punk rock trolling the metal audience by not including any Iron Maiden/Judas Priest albums yet including Teena Marie, The Osmonds, .38 Special, a bunch of punk bands, lots of middle of the road classic rock bands, and pretty much every hair metal band except Motley Crue as metal. I admire his ideas of recognizing that genres cross and blend and aren't some static thing where bands in a particular genre must consist of exclusively the same set of elements, which really ultimately leads to creative death. However, in an era when metal was generally disrespected by critics and there were few guidebooks out there, for him to release one and omit a lot of canonical acts and insert tons of dubious ones, was certainly insulting to metal fans, even though it's a fun read to rock fans in general, especially considering the creativity of a lot of his phrasing.

"Accidental Evolution of Rock and Roll" where he concocts all sorts of wild theories and principles to connect seemingly unrelated acts, usually something highbrow with something lowbrow, was somewhat less controversial and more fun. His anthology "Rock and Roll Always Forgets" may have been better yet.

He is one of my absolute favorite critics to read ever (better than his similarly-named yet more popular ripoff Chuck Klosterman), but his history of what he defends seems surprisingly dubious for him to get a Rock Hall ballot. Eddy's schtick (defending genres/acts that critics hate and attacking almost every single critical favorite) can easily get annoying and repetitive. While in his early years he hyped up heavy metal and indie rock when most other critics didn't, but when the other critics switched on he suddenly switched to dance-pop, particularly Debbie Gibson (critically debased in the late '80s), then pop outside the US, then modern mainstream Nashville country, etc..., etc... Maybe he wasn't just trolling and he did want to find the good in what other critics overlook, but he took it too far, even though he was a necessary corrective for some of the original critics' biases against other genres.

Eddy definitely has a point that other critics get into a circle-jerk where some acts seem to be above criticism, but he way oversells the opposite case. I view him more as a highly knowledgeable entertainer who does have a lot of good insights but just as many ridiculous ones (and at least his endorsement of almost every genre at some point and his willingness to find connections between acts from supposedly disparate genres is admirable), than an actual critic.

But still, considering his history I am actually shocked they let him on the Voting Committee, more than Trunk. At least we know what Trunk will do, while we can't be sure what Eddy might vote for as some post-modern joke. I really enjoy the guy unironically, but his inclusion puzzles me, especially when the more legendary critic who popularized him, Robert Christgau, doesn't get a vote.

Posted by Sean on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 15:11pm


Then again I'll definitely take Eddy over Stephen Thomas Erlewine whose reviews on AllMusic seem to indicate he likes everything and he'll pan almost nothing and he writes semi-clickbaity phrases that seem to emphatically praise some of the most vapid pop artists far too often, but he, unlike Eddy, doesn't seem to be taking his writing as a joke.

Given some of the critics on there, maybe Trunk isn't too much of a stretch.

Posted by Sean on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 15:16pm


Styx will never get in? Isn't that exactly what they said about Kiss? And they got inducted.

The problem with the critics is that they had become dinosaurs. They were unable to see beyond what they liked in the 60s. They also could not see beyond the Eastern Seaboard elitist artist, the West Coast sound. r&b, Motown and the British sound. They didn't recognize anything from Chicago unless it was Blues or r&b. They had no 70s and instead had a decade of 60s has beens and 80s wanna bes.

I don't know of anyone who took the critics seriously in the 70s. If anything their name was mud and people went the opposite of what they said.

Do we even know who is left on the nom com? If Chicago got nominated I feel there is a chance for Styx.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 15:40pm


"Styx will never get in? Isn't that exactly what they said about Kiss? And they got inducted. "

Styx doesn't have KISS's legendary brand/business strategy behind them either though.

"I don't know of anyone who took the critics seriously in the 70s. If anything their name was mud and people went the opposite of what they said."

Well then, the joke's on you and the people you knew, because mud runs the show at the Hall Of Fame. Los Lobos' nomination proves it. Dave Marsh's comment about "It's not about how famous you [are/were], it's how famous you should be" is very much about how he feels the critics should be and to some degree do get the final say. The Hall is only just now becoming more populist, but miles to go and some validity to not letting John Q. Public run things.

I do think there's a chance for Styx... the inductions of Neil Diamond and Heart, and the inevitable induction of Chicago show that the embargo against acts that rocked early and went sappy later has clearly been lifted. Styx and Foreigner and Journey could all benefit from this. That said, I hope ELO and BS&T make it in before those three.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 17:10pm


What kind of reputation does the nom com have?

Dave Marsh is the poster child for what is wrong with the nom com. The man came up with with the term punk. Obviously he was a sexist dinosaur that was clueless about the 70s and how many rock artist from the 70s started out in a garage band. He doesn't seem to know who should be famous.

What embargo on sappy? You forgot about Paul McCartney, Elton John and Rod Stewart. Let's also not forget about the Bee Gees.



Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 17:25pm


Reputation of the NomCom doesn't change the fact that they're still the ones in power. Also, how is "punk" misogynist? "Punk" is about being anti-establishment, not anti-women.

Paul McCartney was a Beatle. 'Nuff said. Rod Stewart is just well connected to the right people. Elton John, like Elvis, and probably Madonna, was just way too huge to not be first-year-eligible slam dunk. Even Neil Diamond wasn't as big as ol' Reg. Styx has none of those things in their corner. And there's no official "embargo." Speaking figuratively.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying "No" to Styx, and I did say Chicago's nomination bodes well for them because it continues the trend that also includes Heart and Neil Diamond.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 17:36pm


He used punk to describe garage bands. He seems oblivious to how many 70s rock artist started in garage bands. garage bands were not punk. Garage bands were the North American response to the British Invasion. This is why he and the nom com deserve to be tagged dinosaurs.

The sexist tag comes from looking at how many women are on the nom com and which woman are being nominated. It also comes listening to that interview. I couldn't even finish listening to it because he gave me a nasty headache.

The sexist tag did not refer to punk.

It's not about who got in. It is about being fair and you can't call one group sappy without calling the other group sappy. So it looks like sappy doesn't matter. For the record using the description sappy is sexist. It's another way of saying too girlie.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 18:40pm


About the 2016 Nominees, Zuzu wrote:

Roy - I really would like to see your logic on the Monkees and Jan and Dean for Chicago.

Friday, 11.6.15 @ 13:39pm

Chicago's induction will remind the nominating committee that Chicago is the # 2 American band behind the Beach Boys on Billboard, and that the Beach Boys performed on a couple of Chicago albums in 1970s and that the Beach Boys toured with Chicago in the 70s and 80s. The Beach Boys were surf music, Chicago had one "Beach Boys feel" song called Wishing You Were Here, which the Beach Boys performed on. Chicago's induction will remind the nominating committee of the Beach Boys, which will remind the nominating committee of Jan and Dean.

Chicago's induction will also remind the nominating committee of the British invasion of the Beatles and Rolling Stones, which will remind them of the Monkees whose TV show aired in reruns in the 80s on MTV while Chicago's cheesy 80s music videos were also playing on MTV.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 18:43pm


Just because Marsh is on a male-dominated NomCom doesn't necessarily mean HE is chauvinist/misogynist. But would it be misogynist if the NomCom was all women and assembled an all-male ballot?

As far slower, lusher, love ballads... every rule has its exceptions. The NomCom was willing to overlook "Only Love Remains" and the like because Paul was a Beatle. If I even have to explain that to you, we're in trouble. Elton's slower songs were seldom romantic ballads for starters (some were, but many weren't), but also 30 consecutive years on Top 40 presence... he was just too big a name to ignore. Even by his eligibility year, he was already in the Top 5 commercially successful Pop singles artists of the Rock era. 20 years later, he still is. Chicago is #23 as of the latest rankings... that's good, but it's not impossible to ignore. Foreigner is #126, Journey #145, and Styx is #157, they're not even in the same league. Rod Stewart may very well just be proof that it's who you know... but it's also speculated that his first induction was "Front Man Fever"... that is he was inducted for his work in Faces and the Jeff Beck Group.

As for the word "sappy"? I disagree that it's inherently sexist. Sappy just means slower, emotionally wrought, romantic, where the style is legato enough that it oozes at pace like sap, and the vocal delivery and lyrical content is sentimental enough to be described as "treacly," much like syrup or sap. However, I also don't really care enough to debate it further. However, having worked in radio, I can unfortunately confirm the trend/stereotype that women prefer the "girlier" songs. If the artist was Bryan Adams, women wanted to hear "Heaven," and men would request "Summer Of '69." Phil Collins? Men, "In The Air Tonight;" women, "You'll Be In My Heart." Then again, it was an adult contemporary station marketed itself primarily towards women 29-49, so make of that what you will. *shrug*

Anyway, again... Neil Diamond, Heart, now probably Chicago. Maybe it is too early to call it a trend, but we can say pretty confidently that even for less commercially successful, less legendary names, whose works are commonly divided into two eras of "the good years" and the "love songs" years are no longer having that "love songs" years thing held against them, if they ever were.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 21:19pm


I enjoyed the Marsh interview enough that I've listened to it a couple times. I don't agree with his opinion on every single point or artist, but I find his exasperated contempt and condescension really fun and endearing.

I love that he sounds like he's in a permanent state of facepalm.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 22:07pm


Agreed, Marsh is the type of person you want on the committee.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 23:08pm


Plus with Toure jumping ship to all rap, Marsh I suspect is one of the few people who'll battle for soul. He's supported Joe Tex in the past. I suspected he helped Cliff push the Spinners back onto the ballot, too.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 23:15pm


I think that a lot of my enjoyment of the interview is that it's largely become a novelty to hear that sort of opinionated arrogance about the Rock Hall from someone who actually has a broad, deep and textured enough understanding of RnR history to justify it.

We've become so used to hearing clownishly stern and angry rants from people who then present an almost exclusively single-era, single-genre, single-race, completely depth lacking list of snubs.

It was a refreshing listen.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 23:41pm


But still, considering his history I am actually shocked they let him on the Voting Committee, more than Trunk. At least we know what Trunk will do, while we can't be sure what Eddy might vote for as some post-modern joke. I really enjoy the guy unironically, but his inclusion puzzles me, especially when the more legendary critic who popularized him, Robert Christgau, doesn't get a vote.

Posted by Sean on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 15:11pm


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Well, we know Chuck Eddy likes Electric Light Orchestra see the article below about that and his thoughts about other critics.

8-)

I also like Robert Christgau, most reviews from him make me LMAO!

:D

http://rockcriticsarchives.com/interviews/eddy-marcus/eddy86.html

Critics

I've never met Greil Marcus, and I really want to. He's one of the people in the world I would really like to meet. Sometimes, I think he's way out in left field somewhere; I don't even understand what he's writing about. I mean, I've got to be honest--I'll read his "Real Life Top 10" and...you can't say it's over-intellectualizing, because that's not it. I have a radio in my car, and being in Detroit without mass transit, I drive around a lot too. So I really sympathize with what he does there. He was the only person besides me who realized that "Calling America" by ELO was one of the most brilliant records of last year. I thought it was really neat that it ended up on both our top 10s.

I've got nothing against Greil. Yeah, I probably do. I think both him and Christgau miss a lot. With Marcus it's probably not that important, because he never set out to hear everything there is. With Christgau it is important, although I know he realizes that he misses a lot.

The thing that bugs me about rock criticism more than anything else, and this applies to both Marcus and Christgau, and Marsh even more, is what I would call a hero-worship syndrome. Both Marcus's and Christgau's aesthetics are at least partially based on the idea that anybody can make great music. But I don't think they carry that out in practice. To me, it's not that likely that Elvis Costello will make four great albums; most people will make one great album or one great single. Making one great album doesn't really increase the chances of making another great album. I guess I'm not as convinced by the concept of genius as most critics are.

Hüsker Dü are a perfect example. If they emerged now, playing the kind of music they do, they'd be deservedly ignored. They sound like Big Country! There's no punch to that music. The other thing that makes me real different from Marcus and Christgau--probably makes me different from most critics--is that I want music to have immediate impact. That's one of the reasons I really like heavy metal. There are very few albums that grow on me over time. The Mekons's Edge of the World is probably the only album I've loved in the last couple of years that didn't hit me right off and kill me, and just continue to kill me.

Another thing is--I say these guys are great, and then I come up with all these things I hate about them--these guys judge music on lyrics. Marcus does it less than most critics, Christgau does it less that most critics, both do it way more than they ought to. Music is not lyrics. To me, lyrics are almost irrelevant. The only time lyrics will affect me one way or the other is if they outwardly annoy me, like with the Wiseblood record. I don't look for meaning; I don't think most people who listen to music do.

Words matter to me when they're funny, like on the new Cult album. I think it's by far one of the best records this year--it's just so stupid! Or like the Shonen Knife record, this power-pop group from Japan. They're three Japanese girls who are playing '79 style power-pop, influenced by the Buzzcocks or early XTC, with all the songs about animals, ice cream, and stuff like that. To me, those are good lyrics.


Posted by Rick Vendl II on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 23:52pm


"Words matter to me when they're funny, like on the new Cult album. I think it's by far one of the best records this year--it's just so stupid!"

I legitimately laughed out loud at that line (in a good way). Great read.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 00:09am


Chicago lost Terry Kath 11 albums in, not 4 albums in as that Dave Marsh interviewer says. Dave Marsh called Chicago just a vehicle for their guitar player, which is not enough to get them in. Dave Marsh doesn't know who he can compare to Chicago and says Dave Brubeck is better than Chicago. Dave Marsh asks which is worse Roundabout or 25 Or 6 To 4?

Dave Marsh said he needed four people to review Chicago's Live At Carnegie for his Creem magazine. One for each disc. Also, Kiss fans never grew up, they're still sixteen years old, and that's the difference between Kiss fans and Cheap Trick fans. Plus, if he knew that Kiss fans would shut up about Kiss, he would have voted them in a long time ago. Los Lobos wrote the better songs and had the better albums. - Dave Marsh

"It's not how famous you are, it's how famous you should be."

-Dave Marsh on how he chooses the nominees

Dave Marsh was interviewed by Mike Stark

Dave Marsh wants the Rock Hall to induct more than 5 artists each year. The Cars are like Led Zeppelin to Dave Marsh. The Rolling Stones, the Who, the Stooges and the MC5 are the best live acts he's ever seen.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 04:44am


I consider the nom com sexist based upon the choices they have made. Patsy Cline - Joan Baez - Melanie - Judy Collins - Helen Ready - Emmylou Harris and you pick Joni Mitchel and Linda Ronstandt. It makes you look sexist. I'm not talking about a whole nom com of women. At least 1/3 should be women.

As far as saying John Marsh is sexist goes to the interview. I can't remember which female artist he was talking about at the start but it really came across that he was picking her for reasons other than her talent.

Phil if you are speaking in a derogatory manner of a subgroup that is preferred by women you are putting down women for their choices. That is sexist - no way around it.

Sir Paul should not get a pass for being one of the Beatles. This part of the problem with the nom com - no oversight. If it counts for one it should count for all.

Chicago was the top selling group of the 70s. What is that list? Albums? singles? all sales? Did you know that so many plays on you tube official videos and online music sites counts as a sale? Also how many older artist have official videos?

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 04:56am


About the 2016 Nominees, Zuzu wrote:

Chicago was the top selling group of the 70s. What is that list? Albums? singles? all sales?

Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 04:56am

I've mentioned this many times before.

Chicago was the number # 1 charting band on the Billboard 200 Albums Chart during the 1970s.

Chicago was also the # 1 charting band on the Billboard 100 Singles Chart in the 1970s.

You need to go buy those Joel Whitburn Billboard Books. Joel Whitburn is a voter too!

Add Chicago's points from the Billboard 200 Albums Chart to their points from the Billboard 100 Singles Chart, and Chicago is still the # 1 band of the 1970s overall.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 05:14am


The Hall is clearly catching Up on Classic Rock artists. I saw that Styx were mentioned. Some feel Styx will never get in. I don't think that's true but they won't get in for a long time. It's as Philip said Kiss got in. I'm not a big fan of either I'm just observing. I think Styx could get in but 10-15 years from Now. I think Journey and Foreigner will get in before Styx. Put another way Never is a long time.

Styx are not exactly a priority I figure. Styx may Get in just not anytime soon. maybe in 2025 or 2026. Something like that. There is so many other Classic Rock artists to consider first. The Hall with that I think.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 05:51am


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01. Chicago 23.46% (37512442 votes)
02. Yes 16.17% (25862184 votes)
03. The Cars 16.16% (25844539 votes)
04. Deep Purple 15.91% (25443192 votes)
05. Steve Miller 15.91% (25441545 votes)
06. Janet Jackson 5.90% (9430845 votes)
07. Cheap Trick 1.38% (2199212 votes)
08. The Spinners 1.27% (2031131 votes)
09. Chaka Khan 1.15% (1834513 votes)
10. Chic 0.83% (1329913 votes)
11. The J.B.'s 0.59% (937413 votes)
12. N.W.A 0.41% (657971 votes)
13. Nine Inch Nails 0.33% (527447 votes)
14. The Smiths 0.29% (457904 votes)
15. Los Lobos 0.24% (382564 votes)

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 06:20am


Philip,
Just another thing on the Styx thing. You pointed out Neil Diamond and Heart as comparisons of Strongly delayed Inductees. Neil Diamond is a good example timewise. It took over 40 years for Neil Diamond to get in. He's somebody regarded pretty well in the Music biz.

60s artists going in Recently is a good example. Heck Donovan didn't go in until 2012. I see Styx going in after a long time like that. Styx is a not regarded as key as other 70s Bands. So they will be waiting a long time still.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 07:13am


Ben,

The next 2 70s rock bands I see getting a nom are Journey and the Guess Who. It's a question of will they go early or later 70s first. I see both getting nominated in the next few years. Expect another vote run up for Journey that will outdo Kiss but not Chicago.

I don't think Foreigner is as strong as a lot of people think. They were Johnny Come Lately's to this style of rock. Interesting note I just thought of - a lot of rock's all time greatest vocalist are in this sub group.

A few things to keep in mind in evaluating Styx. They have a following. Somebody is voting for Dennis DeYoung on lists for all time greatest vocalist. Dennis DeYoung is considered one of the pioneers in the use of a Moog on stage. Don't forget that their first single, Best Thing peaked at 82 on the charts in 1972. So they have been around for awhile.

They have toured with several bands. Members of M & R Rush who they helped out speak well of them. I see them being nominated within the next 5 or 6 years. ;) You know I am going to speak up for them - they are fellow Sox fans.

REO are my personal preference but I think there is a stronger case for Styx.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 10:37am


Zuzu,

I do agree that Journey and the Guess Who will be nominated in the Next few years. The Doobie Brothers also. Just thought I'd throw that in. I think They'll lean to early 70s first. Perhaps Journey will b Nominated a few times but early 70s artists like the Guess Who and the Doobie Brothers will be inducted.

Although I'm not a big fan I know quite bit about Styx. Styx's first was released in 1972 and Styx II 1973. This doesn't mean Styx will be nominated that soon even though they have been around so long. I agree with the ones you said plus Doobie Brothers.

Again I see Styx getting Nominated in about 10 years mayb. It will be 2025. Many others from the 70s before then. That's it on Styx

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 11:25am


As far as those artists who may follow those 2016 nominees into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees, if they are inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame is concerned, I would offer this list:

Cheap Trick: Devo
Chic: Duran Duran
Chicago: Sade
Deep Purple: Whitesnake
Nine Inch Nails: Smashing Pumpkins
The J.B.'s: Sade
Yes: King Crimson
Steve Miller: The Doobie Brothers
Chaka Khan: Sade
The Cars: Duran Duran
The Smiths: The Cure
The Spinners: Tina Turner (as a solo artist)

Now, as far as previous nominees are concerned, after Rush had been inducted in 2013, Yes had been nominated for the first time. Was this just a coincidence? A nomination for The Moody Blues, Duran Duran, Jethro Tull, Supertramp and King Crimson could quite possibly be directly related to Rush's previous induction and the fact that Rick Krim is on the Nominating Committee.

Another possibility is that a nomination for Jeff Lynne, and/or the Electric Light Orchestra may be related to the previous inductions of Tom Petty, Sir Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr.

If The Doobie Brothers receive a nomination, I would look to Steely Dan as the reason for that one.

Please remember, "progressive rock" artists will always endorse other prog artists; it is an unwritten rule. ;-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 12:51pm


Ben,

I see Journey getting in on first nomination. Journey has 2 home bases. San Fran and Chicago. I think Journey has the respect of their peers more so than the Doobies. Don't forget Greg Rollie and Neil Schon were in Santana. Jonathan Cain is one of the survivors of the Our Lady of Angels Fire so I can see him getting some support from Chicago area artist. I wasn't old enough to be aware of the fire when it happened but I still felt its impact. The best way I can explain it is that the OLA fire is sacred ground here.

I don't see the Doobies having the strength to get in on the first shot. They had some good songs and they do have a following on the plus side. Their music was somewhat sporadic and had its ups and downs on the negative side. I'm not familiar with them having any influence. Maybe you're more familiar with that and can enlighten me.

A lot of people on here were saying Journey was at least a decade off. I think Chicago getting a nom may have changed a few minds to move them up. I see something similar happening with Styx. I haven't delved so deeply but I think they may have more support among their peers than people realize. I may push them up my list for research.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 12:52pm


What is everyone's thoughts on the chances for glam rockers Mott the Hoople? I don't know how soon it'll happen, but I do think they are ripe for induction.

The band had a ton of very talented musicians, a catalogue of great, if overlooked, songs, and, according to Allmusic, have a slew of elite bands that they've influenced - including Queen, Kiss, Def Leppard, Motley Crue, The Clash, Cheap Trick, Sex Pistols, Bad Company, the Runaways, as well as Quiet Riot, Twisted Sister, Poison, and Hanoi Rocks.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 14:16pm


As far as whom Dave Marsh likes:

Deep Purple
Chaka Khan
The Spinners
Cheap Trick
The Cars
Los Lobos
N.W.A.
Steve Miller

Who do I think will be inducted in 2016?

Yes
Chicago
Deep Purple
The Cars
Steve Miller
Chaka Khan
The Spinners
Cheap Trick?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 14:52pm


Mott the Hoople could be an interesting choice, but only after T. Rex in terms of glam rock and the Rock Hall. There is a better argument for T. Rex and I think they are one of the biggest snubs in the Rock Hall. Marsh talked about him in that recent interview and I think a T. Rex nomination can be a strong possibility in the next few years. I'm also rooting for the New York Dolls and MC5 to reappear on the Rock Hall (previously being nominated in 2002/2003; especially the latter given Tom Morello's now on the nominating committee).

On a side note, tonight is the 20th Annual Music Masters Series Concert honoring Smokey Robinson. It was announced yesterday that Rock Hall Radio (Channel 310) on SriiusXM will air the entire concert tomorrow night at 8pm. Martha Reeves, Mary Wilson, and many others will be performing at the concert.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 14:56pm


Mott the Hoople could be an interesting choice, but only after T. Rex in terms of glam rock and the Rock Hall. There is a better argument for T. Rex and I think they are one of the biggest snubs in the Rock Hall. Marsh talked about him in that recent interview and I think a T. Rex nomination can be a strong possibility in the next few years. I'm also rooting for the New York Dolls and MC5 to reappear on the Rock Hall ballot (previously being nominated in 2002/2003; especially the latter given Tom Morello's now on the nominating committee).

On a side note, tonight is the 20th Annual Music Masters Series Concert honoring Smokey Robinson. It was announced yesterday that Rock Hall Radio (Channel 310) on SiriusXM will air the entire concert tomorrow night at 8pm. Martha Reeves, Mary Wilson, and many others will be performing at the concert.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 14:59pm


Oh, did I forget Los Lobos, Chic and the J.B.'s?

Who deserves to be inducted?

Who do I think will be nominated for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame in 2017?

Duran Duran
The Moody Blues
Sade
Foreigner
Carly Simon
Procol Harum
The Doobie Brothers
Pearl Jam
Smashing Pumpkins
King Crimson
Chic
Queen Latifah
Bad Company
T. Rex
Whitesnake

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 15:05pm


Oops, I forgot the Electric Light Orchestra.

In that case, the nominees for 2017 are:

Duran Duran
The Moody Blues
Electric Light Orchestra
Sade
Foreigner
Carly Simon
The Doobie Brothers
Pearl Jam
Smashing Pumpkins
Queen Latifah
Chic
T. Rex
Bad Company
King Crimson
Mott The Hoople?
Whitesnake

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 15:19pm


Here's one for 2016/2017...

Chic: Electric Light Orchestra (both bands had a front man who went on to become famous producers)

Electric Light Orchestra is a major 70's band (First release & peak period from 1971-1986), ELO was way more popular and belongs well before The Doobie Brothers (First release in 1971, peak period from 1972-1980), Foreigner (Peak period from 1977-1985), Journey (First release in 1975, peak period from 1978-1996), Styx (First release in 1972, peak period from 1973-1983), REO Speedwagon (First release in 1971, peak period from 1978-1985) & The Guess Who (First release in 1965, peak period from 1969-1974), oh please.

Ides of March?! A one-hit wonder with "Vehicle" at #2 in 1970? BS&T deserve it more.

Oh hell no!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 19:11pm


Enig,

I'm not predicting for 2017 yet but that's Not a Bad list. You included Pearl Jam. They are very key for next Year. You seem to feel Chic will lose again and be Nominated again. It can happen But I still think they'll be taken Care of this year.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 19:37pm


Ides of March


"You Wouldn't Listen" (1966) U.S. #42
"Roller Coaster" (1966) U.S. #92
"Vehicle" (1970) U.S. #2
"Superman" (1970) U.S. #64
"Melody" (1970) U.S. #122
"L.A. Goodbye" (1971) U.S. #73
"Tie-Dye Princess" (1971) #113

The album Vehicle went to #55

I remember LA Goodbye being popular in Chicago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o1n1yQTcDU

Jim Peterik

Ides of March
Survivor

He has written songs for other artist such as .38 Special and has produced records.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 19:55pm


Interesting that my suggestion of Styx caused such controversy. I always thought, among prog acts, Styx and Yes sounded very similar. My choice didn't have anything to do with physical relationships amongst members, but rather the sound of the bands themselves.

Personally, I don't know why Yes is receiving attention from the Nomcom at all. The Moody Blues, Roxy Music, Jethro Tull, etc. are more deserving of recognition in this category, among others, IMO.

Posted by dmg on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 20:01pm


It seems that the Nom Com showed their hand this election cycle and could be what the future nominations will be like. Many of these groups were commercially successful and popular. This bodes well for Bon Jovi, Duran Duran, Mariah Carey, and several others. My theory that we would see younger living artists nominated for the televised ceremony and crowd held true for the most part. None of the deceased Singer-Songwriters Croce, Gram Parsons, Nilsson,Zevon etc. were nominated. Other recently deceased nominee favs Joe Cocker and Ben E. King fell short.
KING's Crystal Ball-Look for more modern artists on the 2016-2017 ballot. Whoever doesn't make it on this years ballot from The Cars, Cheap Trick, NIN, N.W.A will be back. I see Bon Jovi as an early FAV for hard rock choice and Duran Duran filling the 80's alternative slot. Bad Company would be good 70's rock choice since Paul Rodgers is often cited as one of rock's greatest singers. It's about time for Moody Blues as Prog choice. YES has a couple kicks at the can. If they can't get the votes this time, the Nom Com might go elsewhere. I think Los Lobos could become the next Chic. They fill a unique genre of music and there are lack of Latin groups currently inducted. Pearl Jam will be the 1st time no-brainer nominee and inducted like Nirvana and Green Day. My Wildcard Women's choice is The Bangles. They had a platter of 80's hits: Hazy Shade Of Winter, In My Room, Manic Monday, Walk Like An Egyptian etc. Disbanded for a while but had a few more albums released. Love to see Deep Purple inducted but they should return if they fall short 2015. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 21:31pm


My Predictions for this year:

Chicago
Deep Purple
Janet Jackson
NWA
Nine Inch Nails

My Predictions for next years nominees:

Returning from this years ballot:

Cheap Trick
Yes
Chic
The Smiths
The Cars

First Year Nominees:

2Pac
Pearl Jam

Other First time nominees:

Electric Light Orchestra
Dick Dale
Judas Priest
Whitney Houston

Previous Nominees:

Ben E. King
Kraftwerk
War
The Cure

Others acts that could slip onto the list:

Any of this years nominees that I have not mentioned
Alanis Morissette
Procol Harum
LL Cool J
The Zombies
Mariah Carey

Some acts who could end up on the ballot out of nowhere:

Bjork
Willie Nelson
Can
Peter Tosh
Chubby Checker
Iron Butterfly


Posted by Evan on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 22:10pm


Ides of March


"You Wouldn't Listen" (1966) U.S. #42
"Roller Coaster" (1966) U.S. #92
"Vehicle" (1970) U.S. #2
"Superman" (1970) U.S. #64
"Melody" (1970) U.S. #122
"L.A. Goodbye" (1971) U.S. #73
"Tie-Dye Princess" (1971) #113

The album Vehicle went to #55

I remember LA Goodbye being popular in Chicago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o1n1yQTcDU

Jim Peterik

Ides of March
Survivor

He has written songs for other artist such as .38 Special and has produced records.


Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 19:55pm


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That list sure doesn't help them, a better case could be made for Survivor than The Ides of March IF you really want to see Jim Peterik inducted.

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 22:50pm


"I consider the nom com sexist based upon the choices they have made. Patsy Cline - Joan Baez - Melanie - Judy Collins - Helen Ready - Emmylou Harris and you pick Joni Mitchel and Linda Ronstandt. It makes you look sexist."

No it doesn't. You're intentionally neglecting that over those years they've also inducted Donna Summer, Joan Jett, Laura Nyro, Darlene Love, ABBA, Madonna, the Ronettes, the Pretenders (led by Chrissy Hynde), Blondie (led by Debbie Harry), Brenda Lee, etc., plus nominated the Marvelettes, NOT to mention the forced side door induction for Wanda Jackson because they didn't want to make her wait any longer. If you wish to argue that they're touting the WRONG females, that's another matter, but it's not misogynist.

"I'm not talking about a whole nom com of women. At least 1/3 should be women."
And what if those females don't nominate female artists? One of the women on the NomCom at one point, a lawyer in the music industry, made comments that lamented more the lack of big name draws for the TV specials and the museum in Cleveland. She wasn't thinking pink, she was thinking green. And even if there were more women on the NomCom, that doesn't mean the voters have to vote for those women. It's like Title IX-- you can force the schools to provide the programs for girls, but you can't force people in the communities to attend a girls' basketball game. And you can't force members of the voting bloc to vote in a quota of women.

"As far as saying John Marsh is sexist goes to the interview. I can't remember which female artist he was talking about at the start but it really came across that he was picking her for reasons other than her talent."

1. If you can't get Marsh's name right, don't expect to be taken seriously. Dave's been on the NomCom for a long time, is one of the more outspoken members, and knows his stuff.

2. He was talking about Darlene Love, and the "good-for-her-age" comment was an afterthought. You can be forgiven for that though, since not having been around here as long, you aren't familiar with Marsh and Little Steven's crusade for Darlene Love. It wasn't based on bedroom motivations.

"Phil if you are speaking in a derogatory manner of a subgroup that is preferred by women you are putting down women for their choices. That is sexist - no way around it."

Well, Zuzie Q, I wasn't speaking derogatory of a subgroup because it appealed to women. My point was that because the station played lite rock that was marketed towards women, the data could be considered skewed. I was simply stating fact that the women, as a whole, tended to request the love ballads. I didn't say anything negative, just stating fact. You're jumping to conclusions and putting words in my mouth. Also, you're the only one who's making the associations, which is something you actually frequently do. If that's how it was for you and your friends in Chicago in your teen and early adult years, then hot damn, that's the way it must be for everyone, everywhere, every generation.

"Sir Paul should not get a pass for being one of the Beatles."

Well, he did. Although his solo career was pretty awesome. I love is as a whole Songs I love from pretty much every era of his post-Beatles career.

"This part of the problem with the nom com - no oversight. If it counts for one it should count for all."

Gather 'round everyone, time for a grammar lesson. In that last sentences, what is the operative word?

Not that I don't agree with a lot of what you're saying. I'd love to see more women inducted--shit, I was ticked when Lesley Gore died before she could even receive nomination. I support bigger classes to clear out the backlog, and there's backlog pretty much everywhere. Everyone would benefit. As far as oversight, you're not alone. The admin of FRL here frequently harps on the lack of transparency or third-party tallying on the part of the whole process.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 23:28pm


Styx seems like a puzzling one. Yes I love the band but do the so-called professional critics? Very underrated today even though they have several well-known classic rock songs (includes several chart hits). And they're one of the best to hail from Chicago. Enough said.

I'm not sure about the rest of the country but they, along with REO are a big deal in the Midwest, and their shows sell out every year in St. Louis. REO Speedwagon is also another one to question. Whether or not those two ever get inducted, they will always be remembered for doing what they loved for the fans, not the critics.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 23:49pm


Evan, your predictions for the 2016 Inductees are very similar to mine (see my post above on 11/1) except that I also had the Spinners. I assume they will induct 6 regular performers as they have in recent years. This is a Heinz 57-catchup year, so they better make this one worthy! Next year on the other hand, things will start to get very competitve again

Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 23:52pm


Philip
I was wondering what are 20 groups/singers that would be in Philip's RRHOF. Hoping for Deep Purple, Steve Miller, & The Spinners induction the most this time of the nominees. Enig and his prog bands gaining some traction. I would support King Crimson, Moody Blues, Procol Harum the most out of those outside the RRHOF gates. What are 3 reasons Lesley Gore deserves induction? You seem to be a powerful advocate of her induction. Always enjoy your posts. Hope the Lord has helped you in the death of the grandfather or whatever religion or support system you have. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 01:38am


I want to say before I continue this site has helped me in a Bad time. I too have had recent Loss. My Mom passed away in mid August. That was just before I returned to chatting here on the Site. We had the Funeral for her and the Family has tried to move On Now. I always help my Dad in this time. He just turned 84. He is clearly from before any Rock era. I just wanted to say that.

Now then Philip, I am pretty big on Paul McCartney. Can you tell me what album Only Love Remains is on? I do feel he got a pass for being a Beatle. With a Little Luck was a huge hit but a low point for him Creatively. Also Say Say Say would be another one they overlooked. It would not be what he's most known for or should be.

Rod Stewart certainly had plenty of slow songs. He Certainly got in without a problem. So I do agree with You that there are many artists already inducted who have slow songs. You're in My Heart and others are slow.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 05:08am


Ben,

Sorry to hear about your mom.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 07:13am


Philip,

You do not have the ability to judge what is or is not sexist. I have said several it is not about picking women - it is about having our opinion respected. The nom com and several members are sexist. No ifs, buts, ands or maybes about it. You do not have the ability to judge what is sexism but you definitely have the ability to be sexist. Enough said on the subject.


Rick,

I definitely feel that Jim Peterik deserves to be in the hall in one capacity or another. Whether as Ides of March, Survivor or as lifetime contribution. Looking at it from a Chicago perspective - Ides of March is more important.

First he still performs as Ides of March and not Survivor although he does include some Survivor songs in the performance. Second Ides of March places higher as a garage band than Survivor does as a rock band. Third garage bands are definitely a Chicago thing. There are several that are known nationally (probably more than any other city)along with some that are known locally. Several of these garage bands perform together locally. There was recently a recording of one of these performances that has not yet aired on the local PBS station yet.


Rick,

Regarding Styx and REO - they have the respect of their peers. Critics be damned. The will get pressure to be inducted.

Trivia: Peter Cetera, Dennis DeYoung and Kevin Cronin all grew up within a few miles of each other.

Chicago area artist can not be denied. It is not only rock but also garage bands such as the Buckinghams and Ides of March and folk/singer-songwriter artist such as Steve Goodman, John Prine and Dan Fogelberg (Peoria is not that far away). I suppose I shouldn't forget Benny Goodman as early influence. I was surprised to find out how many rock and roll artist had parents that were big band artist.

From the 60s into the 80s there is a hot bed of creativity in not only music but also comedy and acting from the Chicago area. You have: John and Jim Belushi, Robin Williams, Bill Murray, Gary Sinise, Joe Mantegna, John C. Reilly (went to Brother Rice - same high school as Kevin Cronin), George Wendt, Harrison Ford, and numerous others.

Even if they aren't the critics darlings the pressure will build up for them like Chicago.


Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 08:21am


The third one was supposed to be for Jason not Rick

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 08:37am


KING,

Thank you. Again, it was the fiance's grandfather, though he and I got along quite well, too. He more than anyone saw how good I was/am for his granddaughter and welcomed me pretty openly. The family right now is having a tough time having to clean out his house and get it ready for resale. It wasn't the house he raised his children in, so the attachment to the place isn't quite as powerful for them, but still, packing up the pieces of him that remain is always hard.

As for Lesley Gore, it's hard to call her groundbreaking per se when she came after the likes of Brenda Lee, Connie Francis (another big omission), Wanda Jackson, and Timi Yuro, but by 1963, Brenda and Wanda had pretty much gone country, Connie had slipped into Steve & Eydie style ballads and Timi had mostly just slipped away. This was the early '60s when the push to suppress rock'n'roll seemed to be succeeding. You still had Cameo-Parkway putting out the music for teens and supplying American Bandstand and Phil Spector was at his peak with the Wall Of Sound, but Elvis was making movie soundtracks, Del Shannon was still around but not putting them in the Top 10, the Beach Boys were just starting to come into their own, the Four Seasons were having problems with their label Vee-Jay, Motown was delivering with Martha And The Vandellas and the Marvelettes, but the Temptations, the Miracles, Marvin Gaye, et al. weren't quite in their stride yet, etc. Point is, rock'n'roll seemed to be on the wane, and the Beatles weren't here yet. Then you got "It's My Party," and the follow-up "Judy's Turn To Cry." These were songs with more punch to them than songs like "Sugar Shack."

More than that, she was the Teen Queen. She helped pave the way for more young female singers. To some degree, I feel she helped pave the way for the likes of Linda Ronstadt. More than anyone before Britney Spears, I feel Lesley Gore is the sterling example of what teenage, female superstardom is about, and unlike a lot of superstar youth who couldn't grow beyond it, she didn't let it destroy her.

Speaking of female empowerment, "You Don't Own Me" is widely regarded as one of the first feminist anthems. Almost a decade before "I Am Woman," there was "You Don't Own Me."

She's also the first major success in the rock'n'roll world for Quincy Jones. He'd been around for awhile, but almost entirely in the jazz world. Lesley Gore was his first big score in rock'n'roll and is the foundation for all the reasons we wanted the man in the Hall for a long time.



Lastly, I'm just gonna say musical excellence. I know not all will agree with me, but if all you know is "It's My Party" and "Judy's Turn To Cry," you're missing out. "Look Of Love," "She's A Fool," "That's The Way Boys Are," "Start The Party Again," "Hey Now," "Maybe I Know," "My Town, My Guy, And Me," and yeah, even "Sunshine, Lollipops, And Rainbows"... fantastic records. Excellent stuff.

As for 20: I don't think I've ever made it a secret that I would lean heavy on the '60s.


Ben,

Sorry for your loss. Both my parents are still alive, so I can't imagine what you're going through. Best wishes and deepest condolences.

As for your question, I'm 95% certain "Only Love Remains" is from Flowers In The Dirt.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 08:51am


"You do not have the ability to judge what is or is not sexist. I have said several it is not about picking women - it is about having our opinion respected. The nom com and several members are sexist. No ifs, buts, ands or maybes about it. You do not have the ability to judge what is sexism but you definitely have the ability to be sexist. Enough said on the subject."

No, you didn't actually say it was about having your opinions respected. You said it was sexist because Patsy Cline, Emmylou Harris, Joan Baez, etc. were not in while Joni Mitchell and Linda Ronstadt were. You said it was sexist because Dave Marsh said Darlene Love was still good-looking, which isn't the best thing he could've said, but following the struggle to get Darlene inducted over the years, it's definitely about the music and not the physique. It'd be great to have more women on the NomCom. As long as they're knowledgeable, I'm fine with it.

And don't confuse trolling with genuine sexism. It ain't the same. And don't become the monster you claim to hate either.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 08:59am


Boston, Kansas, Styx and REO Speedwagon are not in the same league as Chicago!

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 09:00am


Stop deflecting and minimizing. You can not determine what is sexism. I can though. It is what it is.

As long as they're knowledgeable???

Let's translate - as long as they are pretty little cheerleaders that are going to go rah rah for whatever the men say on the nom com. As long as they will be good little girls and not have opinions contrary to what a man might think. The point is to be a counterbalance to male opinion and the glorification of cock rock of which there is too much of it that has no place being in a hall of fame.

You are deflecting again and you would fit perfectly on the nom com.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 09:37am


Thinking beyond the Performer Induction, I'm wondering who the Rock Hall will induct in the other categories (Early Influences, Musical Excellence, Non-Performer, Lifetime Achievement). I think they have inductees in the Musical Excellence and Non-Performer Categories this upcoming year (The Rock Hall rarely inducts Early Influence performers back-to-back). I think it would be interesting if they finally inducted a Rock Music writer in the Non-Performer category. Maybe someone like Lester Bangs or even Dave Marsh. Or Maybe the Rock Hall will finally enshrine Russell Simons or Rick Rubin for the Non-Performers category for their contributions to hip-hop and rock music. Have Questlove induct one of them, given he's on their Def-Jam label.

Musical Excellence category is always tricky to see where the Rock Hall goes here; Don't Know Why but I think the JB's or The Meters will be inducted in this category.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 10:16am


ben, my condolences on your mother's passing. Enjoy your father's presence.

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 10:22am


'Msybe I Know' is her best song, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 10:24am


I'm not deflecting anything Zuzu. You are spouting wild accusations.

And no, knowledgeable doesn't mean a yes-person. It means someone who can back up their arguments with facts and cogent counterarguments, and doesn't resort to name-calling, bigotry, and character assassination when challenged.

I know what sexism is, I've seen it, it ain't cool. Is the NomCom sexist? Possibly. Entertainment as an industry has had a tendency to be pretty shitty to anyone who isn't a white male, and the accolades arm of that is probably bound to be a little bit by extension. especially when said industry still works very much on a "who-you-know" basis. But quotas on membership are not the answer. It's ridiculous, in fact. Knowledgeable is knowledgeable. If they can do better on an expert-level multiple choice test about rock 'n' roll history than Dave Marsh or ?uestlove, they deserve to be on the NomCom, regardless of gender. I have never said otherwise.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 10:27am


Nick, I vehemently oppose inducting critics as N-Ps for two reasons: one, so many of the powers-that-be are critics that it would quickly turn into a glad-handing of friends even worse than many of us suspect it of being already; two, in my opinion, critics don't do a whole lot to help with the evolution and perpetuation of rock'n'roll. We're due for another songwriter or two. Perhaps Bernie Taupin this year, to complete Roy's wet dream. I'd rather see Barri and Sloan get in, but as they move away from the '60s, that becomes increasingly unlikely. Maybe if the Spinners miss again, they'll go with producer Thom Bell.

AME.... I have no idea. They've been so all over the map with this one already that I don't dare venture a guess.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 10:34am


Philip, That's true and I didn't really think of that when I posted earlier. Many Rock Critics are already on the Nominating Committee so it would basically be like a power-trip for them to induct themselves. Good point taken (BTW, glad you are standing up and fighting the good fight; enjoying your previous posts). I totally agree that the Rock Hall should induct Producers or Songwriters in the Non-Performer Category. I'm really rooting for Bernie Taupin and the Rock Hall would love it because they would have Elton John induct and probably perform at the ceremony (big name attraction).

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 10:39am


Ben,

My most sincere condolences on the passing of your mother. I know how difficult the loss of a parent is. My father had passed away nearly 13 years ago at the age of 70. My mother had just turned 87 in August of this year. I try to telephone her every day, although I have not seen her in person for more than 12 years. She moved to Washington state to be near my sister and her children. Now, both of her granddaughters are attending school at two different universities in Northern California.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 11:01am


Ben - I'm sorry for your loss - best wishes, my friend.

Philip - Just wanted to co-sign on Lesley Gore. Thoughts on Petula Clark?

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 11:02am


What do you call a man that believes they can educate a woman on what sexism is? Would you also presume to educate African Americans and Hispanics on what racism is?

Based on the way you are responding to what I have to say, you would not accept a women's opinion unless it reflects your own.

And no, knowledgeable doesn't mean a yes-person. It means someone who can back up their arguments with facts and cogent counterarguments, and doesn't resort to name-calling, bigotry, and character assassination when challenged.

What have you been doing?

I will try to explain it to you one more time and I will try to take baby logic steps so maybe this time you will get it.

You are a man - men are the source of sexist behavior. You have never had the opportunity to be on the receiving end of sexist behavior or remarks. You can not begin to understand what it is because you have not lived it. You do not see how it was devised to be used as a tool to put down women. Sometimes the reaction to behavior or words are not easy to explain. If you have spent a lifetime being on the receiving end you can spot it right away.

So how does one interpret a man trying to tell a woman that he understands what sexism is better than she does. What term would one use to define such an attitude. Based on your responses and inability (or acting as if you don't)to follow my train of logic, I would say you are looking for a narrow definition of what is knowledge and do not accept contradicting theories as being a possibility. So yes I believe you are looking for good little girls that are rah rah cheerleaders for logical men.

I have had several people on here that I have disagreed with. We have had some interesting arguments that have taken opposite points of views. I have not felt like I was put down in any of them despite differences in opinions. If anything I believe we both helped each other strengthen out arguments. I did not feel disrespected.

I feel that there is no need to discuss this further. If you do not understand what I am saying or continue to insist that you don't, then there is no sense in taking this any further.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 11:16am


Philip: Keep up the good work!

Ben: Sorry to here about the passing of your mother.

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 12:30pm


*hear

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 12:41pm


Ben
Sorry to hear about your Mom. My Dad has been gone several years. Know that despair and pain. Usually sleep in on Sundays. Just saw the post now.

I was curious who do you think is your FAV of Enig's Prog groups and who has best chance to be inducted next? Thinking Duran Duran should get a strong push for nomination in 2016-2017. I support and voted for Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, and The Spinners this time around. Still mad at myself for cutting off Chicago & Steve Miller in my 18 nominees list. Could have predicted 9 but had 7 right. I did get Los Lobos right though. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 13:05pm


If Lesley Gore would be nominated for the HOF, I'm sure she'd be another that would get in in a heartbeat. She would get a huge boost from Quincy Jones. For some reason it is easy to forget that he produced her hits.

As for non-performer (or whatever its called now?), I think they should devote this year to the radio disc jockeys. Seems that every year they do a theme, like producers, label people and songwriters. Casey Kasem, Wolfman Jack, Kid Leo, Rick Dees, somebody. Remember, radio has played a huge part in rock and roll.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 13:24pm


And Ben, my condolences for you and your family.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 13:25pm


Ben I'm also sorry to hear of your loss. It's always tough when that happens.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 15:05pm


Greg F: I agree with a lot of your choices, but I have a few differences:

The Cars: Eurymthics
Chicago: Electric Light Orchestra (Not based on genre, but by big popular snub)
Yes: Procol Harum (Based on Dave Marsh interview)
Deep Purple: Judas Priest (Based on Tom Morello interview)
Chic: Average White Band (?uestlove's t-shirt, lol)
The J.B.'s: The Meters
Janet Jackson: Whitney Houston
The Spinners: The Commodores
The Smiths: The Cure
Steve Miller: The J. Geils Band
Cheap Trick: T.Rex (Dave Marsh interview makes it sound like this could happen soon)
Chaka Khan: The Marvelettes (I could see them going back)
N.W.A: 2pac
Nine Inch Nails: Kraftwerk (As wrong as the order would be)
Los Lobos: Willie Nelson (Or any other left-field pick)

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 10:19am


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Thanks, I appeciate that Gassman!

As a side note here, Roy has interestingly overlooked an obvious Chicago-ELO connection, Camelia Kath, Terry's widow has been dating Jeff Lynne since 2008.

8-)

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 15:32pm


I expect the induction of the 5 Royales will get a follow-up and Chuck Willis will be inducted as an Early Influence within the next years. I see the JB's getting inducted eventually as sidemen, or how that category is called these days, but that doesn't have to happen right away. Maybe this year could be the time for The Wailers.

They indeed often have themed inductions. 2010 - songwriters, 2012 "backing" bands and vocal groups, 2014 managers. If this is a two year cycle, next year will be one of those years. Radio DJ's could be an option. I could also see them induct Rick Rubin, Russell Simmons, and maybe the late Sylvia Robinson. And off course, this could be the year for some glaring omissions. Todd Rundgren, Brian Eno.

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 15:40pm


Thank you all for your Wishes and Condolences on the Passing of my Mom. She was 79. This whole time I've been posting she has been gone. She's been gone almost 3 Months.

King,
My Fav of Enig's Prog groups is Moody Blues. Now the answer to Who has the Best chance of being Inducted Next. Let's put it this way I hope it's the Moody Blues. Unlike Enig I'll be more modest with Prog predictions next time. I know he hopes for a lot of Prog and that's Cool but I have learned now that the Hall doesn't do things that way. So my One prog prediction Next Year is Moody Blues. ELO, King Crimson and all these others will wait.

Jason,

As far as Lesley Gore. I know about her. That's before my earliest Era of interest. I respected the inclusion of early Performers for the Longest time in the past. Who am I to judge a previous era. Lloyd Price is a good example. They inducted early era artists for a long time. Now though there was the Nom Com shake up. Most eras are not affected by this. Lesley Gore is one artist that will have great difficulty being Nominated by the Current Nom Com.

The focus will now start with the late 60s. Prog and 70s R&b both have a fair shot. There is certainly people on the Nom Com that would Nominate Zombies or Tommy James. The time I think has passed for Lesley Gore to have a good chance. chance. This is where the Nom Com comes into play.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 15:41pm


Steve Z,

As far as Petula Clark goes... I'm iffy. I love her music, but she herself has been known to turn her nose up to being classified as "rock 'n' roll." She's particularly disdainful of pre-Beatles American rock. I think if she were nominated, she'd actually ask people not to vote for her. As far as her actual musical style goes, if we can attempt to be gender-neutral about it, I think a lot of her songs have very strong stylistic similarities to the Vogues' catalog. If you're not on board with the Vogues, you shouldn't be on board with Pet either. I love them both, but would say "probably not" to both of them.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 19:44pm


Ben: I'm sorry about your mother. Sending my condolences.

Posted by SotN on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 20:26pm


"What do you call a man that believes they can educate a woman on what sexism is?"

A guy in an HR training video! *rimshot*

"Based on the way you are responding to what I have to say, you would not accept a women's opinion unless it reflects your own."

And that right there is the problem, Zuzu. And as I pointed out earlier, you take the strictly anecdotal and try to force it as a universal absolute. Since that's how it is for you, it must be how it is for everyone. Well, you ain't Chaka Khan, so don't tell me that you're every woman. You also ain't Marissa. Marissa is a fellow, although not as frequent, contributor whose rock'n'roll knowledge I would stack up against any regular contributor on this site, be it Darin, Gassman, PopeCharming, me, Darren, Enigmaticus, Ben, KING... anyone. I've disagreed with her, and she's provided some thought-provoking counterarguments. I don't always agree with her, but I respect her opinion. She's knowledgeable, and she happens to be a woman. Intellect first.

I'd also point out that I've been taking your arguments to task well before you told us you were female. I didn't know then, I didn't care then. Because it ain't about gender.

I respect women. YOU in particular, however, not so much. Which is a shame, because you have produced some good stuff, but when it comes down to actually defending your points, you generally end up being unable to see the forest for the trees. And I know that has nothing to do with your second X-Chromosome.

"What have you been doing?"

I certainly haven't been calling names, for starters. I've pointed out the historical precedents, corrected on the fact of a NomCom member's name, given historical facts, and offered insights to connotations that take a different path than you generally to.

"You are a man - men are the source of sexist behavior."

So you're saying it's impossible for women to be sexist? Because I would say that right there is wrong. While it doesn't happen nearly as often as misogyny, misandry does indeed happen.

"You have never had the opportunity to be on the receiving end of sexist behavior or remarks."

No, but I have been witness to it in the workplace, and have given testimony to it when HR investigated. And I have in fact, been on the receiving end of unwelcome, unsolicited sexual advances from a female superior of mine. I know that's hard to believe, but it's true.

"You do not see how it was devised to be used as a tool to put down women."

Again, been witness to it.

"Sometimes the reaction to behavior or words are not easy to explain. If you have spent a lifetime being on the receiving end you can spot it right away."

You're right that I haven't seen it my whole life, and I don't pick up on the more subtle examples, but I have seen it.

"So how does one interpret a man trying to tell a woman that he understands what sexism is better than she does. What term would one use to define such an attitude. Based on your responses and inability (or acting as if you don't)to follow my train of logic, I would say you are looking for a narrow definition of what is knowledge and do not accept contradicting theories as being a possibility. So yes I believe you are looking for good little girls that are rah rah cheerleaders for logical men."

I really don't give two bags of llama droppings what you believe. And not because you're a woman, but because you yourself have shown difficulty in understanding words, their meanings, and some of their connotations. You believe "sappy" means "girly" and is therefore a sexual slur. Fine, whatever. I don't agree, and I offered the analogy to actual sap to describe a music piece's texture, speed, and lyrical content... all completely void of gender implications. But if you don't want to accept that, that's fine. But when I point out that Dave Marsh and Little Steven had been trying for years to get Darlene Love inducted because of her powerful voice and her contributions of unquestionable musical excellence to the '60s soundscape, but you still insist that it's all because of physical attraction, you're just being historically inaccurate. And calling punk music at its core sexist when the core of punk music was anti-establishment, that's just factually inaccurate. So you can believe that all I want are yes-people, because ultimately, so what? You've shown enough inaccuracies that I'd recommend you work for Fox News instead. At this point, I'm more likely to believe you're seeing sexism because you want to have something to shout about, on a witch/warlock hunt.

"I have had several people on here that I have disagreed with. We have had some interesting arguments that have taken opposite points of views. I have not felt like I was put down in any of them despite differences in opinions. If anything I believe we both helped each other strengthen out arguments. I did not feel disrespected."

Well let me take this moment once again to assure you once and for all that any disrespect you've felt from me here has absolutely nothing to with your gender.

"I feel that there is no need to discuss this further. If you do not understand what I am saying or continue to insist that you don't, then there is no sense in taking this any further."

And that's the thing. I understand what you're saying, and even agree with a lot of the things you've said. But I think your accusations in this case are largely baseless. Again, read back through my replies. My counters to you have been entirely rooted in your inaccuracies. I've never written you off because of gender, never even thought it, and even now still wouldn't say you've given me reason to. You've given me plenty of reasons to write your arguments off, but I've known too many women in my life who are smarter than me, wiser than me, and better examples of humanity than me to even seriously postulate the reason I don't respect you is because you're a woman. No, Zuzu, that lies squarely on the content of your arguments and the (lack of) character you've shown in your lashings out. It's. All. On. You.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 20:28pm


I'd like to add my voice to the chorus of condolences for the loss of your mother, Ben. I hope some of the pain of her loss is assuaged by memories of a good life well lived.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 22:04pm


"A guy in an HR training video! *rimshot*" -Philip

Pure gold right there.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 22:38pm


Philip, That was an epic post.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 22:40pm


Jason Voigt

The only reason I picked 5 was because I could not decide between The Spinners, Chic, Yes, or Cheap Trick. I think all 4 of them have excellent cases to get inducted this year.

These next few years will definitely be interesting, some of the ballots in the last few years seems to suggest that the Hall is acknowledging the mistakes they have made in snubbing many acts for decades. Case in point, until the past few years Rush, Kiss, Donovan, The Spinners, Yes, Deep Purple, Link Wray, Bill Withers, The Cars, Cheap Trick, Steve Miller, and Chicago had never once been nominated. They have been playing catch up for the past few years now. Although they have really kicked up a notch this year.

I really hope that some of those aforementioned snubs get in soon, in the hopes that they will open the door for some more overlooked acts like ELO, The Moody Blues, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Warren Zevon, Kraftwerk, etc. The hall has been slacking for too long and it be nice to get in most of these acts before they all pass away.

Posted by Evan on Monday, 11.9.15 @ 15:05pm


Philip,

Thank you for the Condolences. I looked up Paul McCartney. Only Love Remains is on Press to Play from the Mid 80s. That's why I don't know it. I never owned most of his 80s albums. Never owned Flowers in the Dirt either. I own Band on the Run album and Venus and Mars. I skip to Unplugged then. I wasn't a big fan of his 80s stuff. I like the tune Pipes of Peace. That's one of the few.

Rod Stewart has had quite few slow songs also and got inducted. The point is that Chicago is not starting a trend with that at all. Which was your point as well.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.9.15 @ 18:40pm


Ben,

I knew it was one or the other. Press To Play is a bit less celebrated that Flowers In The Dirt, the latter of which gave Paul a few more hits on the album tracks charts at the time. Press itself is not his best song, but it's catchy and I like it.

As I said about Rod, when he was inducted solo, it was stretching the eligibility rules a little. He did have a couple releases before joining the Jeff Beck Group or Faces, but if they'd have gone by "Maggie Mae" he would not have been eligible when he did get in. It's my hypothesis that they inducted him solo first, figuring they wouldn't be able to get around to either of the other two. Of course, now Jeff Beck is in as a soloist and Small Faces/Faces happened, so there you go. Stewart is also pretty well connected, going back to the "who-you-know" bit. Personally, not a big fan of Rod. I like a few of his songs, but overall, not an artist I make a point to collect.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11.10.15 @ 00:51am


Philip,

Actually I am not a big fan of Rod either. Some early stuff. I own one album Never a Dull Moment. Nothing else. Probably they went by the earliest solo single they could find to induct Him right away. He was inducted back in 1994. He went on to lots of Pop. I don't just mean the Infamous hit Do Ya Think...Others too like Some Guys Have All the Luck. Those tunes clearly are not really Rock Hall material. Although it is hard to tell what is.

The point in the beginning of this chat is that Chicago simply continues a trend. The trend where the Highly regarded work is earlier. Those first 10 or 11 albums really make Chicago. Not a tune like You're My Inspiration. Chicago had made their Mark so the Love songs of later don't matter.

What does end Up happening is by Inducting Chicago the Hall is getting improvisational Jazz and Rock Fusion into the picture as well as Pop. There is nothing new certainly about Inductees that had Love songs and Pop later on. You agree very much with this point. I do think We'll move on from this Point. Chicago is a No Brainer for the Hall this year in any case.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11.10.15 @ 04:20am


Just to let everyone know, Charles Crossely Jr. just posted his breakdown of the 2016 nominees.

http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/forum/getrefs/id/31102/type/0

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 11.11.15 @ 18:33pm


Sorry, here's the correct link:

http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/reply/31102/The-2015-Nominee-Ballot-for-2016-Induction-Are-#reply-31102

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 11.11.15 @ 18:36pm


Now I have a question. Does anyone here know when the Actual 2016 Inductees will be announced. I figure as we continue having fun chatting about the Nominees it would be good know when the actual announcement.

I just got a couple Cars albums in the mail I ordered. The first 2. It was with the Hall in Mind. I was going to order Chicago albums. I held off because they have so many. Just in the 70s. I couldn't make up my Mind. Often when people are nominated that we like it reminds us to purchase stuff from those. I have limited funds for this so I have to decide. I'm good on Cheap Trick and Deep Purple I like. Fairly good on Steve Miller. I own Gr Hits and Book of Dreams.

I do own a Spinners Gr Hits actually. Oddly enough as far as predicting I haven't predicted them. Not sure they'll make it thru due to the Competition.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 06:16am


FRL tweeted sometime back that ballots are due on December 15 and in past years the announcements usually came with in a week or two of the due date. So I would expect an announcement before Christmas.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 08:03am


Didn't you see any of the ballots that were tweeted? December 15 is when the ballots have to be in. Are we going to know the inductees before December 23?

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 08:33am


I'd like to add a little something new to Charles Crossley's list. This features all of the nominee's work on Rolling Stone magazine's lists. Also, songs that have been inducted into the RRHOF are included. The RS500 songs are based off the 2009 list. The albums is from the 2003 list (I know its been updated since, but misplaced my old magazine).

The Cars:

No songs inducted into RRHOF or RS500 list.
Their self-titled 1978 debut album is #282 on the albums list.

Cheap Trick:

'Surrender' - RS500 #471
In Color - RS500 #448
At Budokan - RS500 #430

Chic:

'Le Freak' and 'Good Times' in RRHOF
'Good Times'- RS500 #229
No albums made the RS500 albums list

Chicago:

No songs OR albums inducted into RRHOF or on RS500 list

Deep Purple:

'Smoke on the Water'- RRHOF and RS500 #434
No albums made the RS500 list

Janet Jackson:

'Control'- RRHOF
No songs on RS500 list
Rhythm Nation 1814 - RS500 #275
The Velvet Rope - RS500 #256

The J.B.'s:

No songs inducted into RRHOF or RS lists

Chaka Khan (solo career):

No songs or albums inducted into RRHOF or RS lists

Los Lobos:

No songs inducted into RRHOF or RS lists
Will The Wolf Survive? - RS500 #461

Steve Miller:

'Fly Like an Eagle' - RRHOF
Fly Like an Eagle (album)- RS500 #450

Nine Inch Nails:

'Head Like a Hole' -RRHOF
The Downward Spiral - RS500 #200

N.W.A.:

'F*** the Police' - RS500 #425 and is in RRHOF
Straight Outta Compton - RS500 #144

The Smiths:

'Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now' and 'How Soon Is Now' both in RRHOF
'William It Was Really Nothing'- RS500 #431
'How Soon Is Now' - RS500 #477
The Smiths (album)- RS500 3481
Meat Is Murder - RS500 #295
The Queen Is Dead - RS500 #216
Louder Than Bombs - RS500 #365

The Spinners:

No songs inducted in RRHOF or on RS lists

Yes:

'Roundabout'-RRHOF
No songs or albums on RS lists.

You're all probably wondering why I did this...that's because to me I feel this kind of gives the list a little perspective. You can look at it any way you want. Some may think my theory is a crock of s***, but I believe this kind of helps influence things. Yes, there's a part of me that believes this is still Jann Wenner's HOF. And don't forget most of these people who voted on the lists are on the voting committee. Then again, this may mean nothing...just ask Roxy Music (four of their albums are on the RS500 album list). Interestingly, Chicago, the J.B.'s and the Spinners had none of their work on these lists. Hell, I don't think they are on the Immortals list either (?). In fact, I think only one of these nominees is on there, and that's NIN. Anyway, enjoy this and feel free to comment

Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 12:09pm


Ben,

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 13:55pm


Ben,

Of course it is going to depend on which are your favorite Chicago songs but I would consider the live albums from the 70's. There is the Carnegie Hall album, the 69 Toronto bootleg and the 72 Japan concert. I would stay away from the digitally remastered versions because Peter Cetera's vocals do not sound as good. There is also a 76 or 77 live album but I do not think it has that great of a sound. The 72 Japan concert is my personal favorite. If you want to check out the sound most of these have you tube videos.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 14:05pm


I'll mull that over. Chicago has a lot of Material. I'll figure it Out. There isn't too much to chat about on the Nominees at the moment that hasn't been said already. There seems to be a lull in the Chats

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 15:09pm


You know something will blow up and start a flurry of discussion. I'd give it a week at the most.
;)

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 16:01pm


ENIG

Say Chicago,Deep Purple,YES all merit induction in 2015-2016 Cycle. What will be the Prog plan in 2016-2017? Will you throw weight and support around Moody Blues the most? I think Duran Duran has a good chance of nomination in 2016. Seems like the alternative 80's spot can't seem to receive enough votes for induction. They might give Duran Duran a whirl. Liked the BTM Duran Duran! KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 21:30pm


Jason, thank you for that analysis. Would not surprise me if The Smiths make the cut. Certainly the most feted band (RSwise) among those nominated.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 11.13.15 @ 07:03am


KING,

Thank you,

For this ballot, I had voted for the following artists:

01. Yes
02. Chicago
03. Deep Purple
04. The Spinners
05. The Cars

Next year,

I will still be sticking with my "prog" heavy ballot:

01. Duran Duran
02. The Moody Blues
03. Electric Light Orchestra
04. Carly Simon
05. Sade
06. Doobie Brothers
07. Foreigner
08. Pearl Jam

The other 8 on this list are still being worked on.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 11.13.15 @ 09:36am


Robert Hilburn

01. Los Lobos
02. Nine Inch Nails
03. N.W.A
04. ?????
05. ?????

Dave Marsh's Ballot

01. The Cars
02. Cheap Trick
03. Los Lobos
04. ????
05. ????

Tom DeSavia's Ballot

01. The Cars
02. Cheap Trick
03. The J.B.'s
04. Los Lobos
05. The Spinners

Eddie Trunk's Ballot

01. Chicago
02. Cheap Trick
03. Deep Purple
04. Nine Inch Nails
05. Yes

Milo Miles' Ballot

01. Chic
02. Cheap Trick
03. The Cars
04. The J.B.'s
05. Los Lobos

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11.14.15 @ 09:24am


Do former nominating committee members still get to vote on who gets inducted? Do they get ballots mailed to them?

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11.14.15 @ 09:36am


I'm going to stir up some Chat myself. What happens to people I like and deserve Induction that are significantly Older than others. I'm thinking about Joe Tex. I've known him over the Years. A few tunes. Has his time for Induction passed due to the Nom Com change. Granted most people I support come much later. He was in the 60s. However there are so many heavyweights of Later times that have need of Induction.

My Music is diverse. Perhaps Steve Van Zant likes Joe Tex. Granted I'm supporting others like Moody Blues and J Geils more. I'm just mentioning different types of artists. What happens with the Searchers and some other Brit Invasion bands? Zuzu has made a good point about Patsy Cline. She is certainly good but very Early. Sadly they may get jipped due to the Nom Com change. The Zombies have a chance. A Steve Van Zant fav. I figure Late 60s aren't a problem as long as they have enough material but what about these and others? This year was a lot of 70s and 80s artists which is great but there are some from before still deserving Induction. I understand forgetting the 50s due to the Nom Com but these are somewhere in the middle. Early to Mid 60s. I know I said it was time to move into somewhat later Artists but there are some earlier ones. Is their support in the Current Nom Com?

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.14.15 @ 10:37am


Paul,
Thanks for looking at the analysis! I was always into that kind of thing when comparing lists. The Smiths should have made it last year. Hopefully this year, but they got a lot of competition. To me it would be a bit weird if they got in before The Cure and Kraftwerk, but oh well I guess :p

Ben,
Its upsetting that a lot of 60s bands will probably not be inducted, at least not for awhile due to that change. Also, because of what you mentioned before about inducting only 5 per year. That was definitely a horrible decision on Jann Wenner/RRHOF's part. I can name at least a few 50s acts that still need to get in (very few still living today): Huey Piano Smith and the Clowns, Danny & the Juniors, the Clovers, Big Bopper and some of those who have been nominated and forgotten in the past. I'd really hate to see them get inducted as 'Early Influences' (or whatever the hell its called now). For the record, my music taste is diverse too, from old 50s R&B to today's EDM. I largely despise Lady Gaga and Fall Out Boy, but I do like Skrillex and some of today's new alternative groups.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 11.14.15 @ 13:04pm


I'd like to add that even if the Smiths do make it into the Hall next year, I don't think it would be anything worth looking forward to. Sure, they'd get great recognition for their influential/innovative career, but that's it. We sure won't be holding our breath for an on-stage reunion, that's for sure. You know something's bad when Morrissey turns down a quarter of a billion dollars to not reunite with his old bandmates. Also, if you haven't already: check out Johnny Marr's album that came out a year ago (Easy Money). You'll be glad that you did.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 11.14.15 @ 13:09pm


Jason,

We are essentially in agreement with this. Although I am not a 50s fan. Sorry. I am a big 60s fan. Thus the Joe Tex mention I made. It's just that when the Nom Com change happened the Oldest Members were fired. My Music tastes essentially start around 1964 with the Beatles, Stones, Dave Clark Five, the Zombies and all the Rest of the British Invasion as well as some Motown and Aretha. I have trouble naming tunes before that. I am still pretty diverse.

So in firing the Oldest members you're eliminating the knowledge and support of the first 10-12 years of Rock n'Roll. So there is that middle period of 1964-1967 that suffers. Late 60s and early 70s is certainly not a problem. Sorry about my weakness in 50s. But as far as 60s. It seems to me While not as difficult as 50s there are mid 60s artists that will have almost as much trouble. What happens now to the Turtles, Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels and the Troggs. Although the Troggs may not have enough material anyway. Tommy James probably still have a good shot. His hits went on throughout the late 60s. There is also the Box Tops. This some of the earliest stuff I know and like. I am shaky before this era.

The Moody Blues, Procul Harum, Blood. Sweat & Tears and Steppenwolf all still have a very good shot. Plenty of members still on the Nom Com that grew up with those. At least that.

I only know a few tunes by the Smiths. They are Ok. It's not my usual bag. How Soon is Now is Ok. I only know a couple others. I do predict them to be inducted in the next few years. I happen to support the Replacements to go in. Another 80s Alt that's been Nominated. Just thought I'd mention that. They are more up lifting for my Tastes.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.14.15 @ 13:40pm


Good points, Ben. The 60s and the 80s are my favorite decades in music, all-around. They can be compared in many ways. The 60s can be broken down from the psychedelic era, Motown/soul, British Invasion, and what I call the 'Innocent age' from 1960-1963. Or technically, January 1964 right before the Beatles broke to America. Sadly, a lot of acts from the 'Innocent age' will probably not be inducted. The Marvelettes, who peaked during that period, were the last to be considered into the HOF. Not saying all from that era deserve it (Bobby Vinton, Shelley Fabares and Nino Tempo/April Stevens, anyone?), but you have those like Jan & Dean, Bobby Vee and Gary US Bonds that are way overdue. We can debate all we want to about Chubby Checker (ha!). I call it the 'Innocent age' because that's mostly when rock and roll took a backseat.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 11.14.15 @ 17:55pm


Jason,

Glad you broke it down that way. I don't know that much from the Innocent Age. But once you hit 1964 when the Beatles broke I have rather good knowledge. So I'm good with Motown/ Soul, British Invasion as well as Psychedelic era. It seems to me any remaining Motown acts will suffer as well as British Invasion bands. Psychedelic era is safe I'd say. Jann Wenner Steve Van Zant and other older ones on the current Committee are fans. Also Steve Van Zant loves a lot of British Invasion. Some like the Zombies still have a chance but ones like the Searchers a little less chance Now. I think Motown acts are kinda done as far as the Hall goes. I actually don't know the Marvelettes too well. Too early for me. I think as far as R&B the focus is later artists like War and the Meters.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11.15.15 @ 15:44pm


Ben, thanks for bringing up Patsy Cline.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Patsy_Cline


"In 2005, the album Patsy Cline's Greatest Hits was certified by the RIAA as Diamond, reaching sales of ten million copies. That same year, that same album was listed in the Guinness Book of World Records for staying on the overall music charts the longest of any female artist of any music genre in history.

Cline's career and musical influence have been cited as inspirations by countless vocalists, including Tammy Wynette, Cyndi Lauper, Marianne Faithful, Patti Smith, Dottie West, Barbara Mandrell, Michelle Branch, Amy Grant, Reba McEntire, Trisha Yearwood and LeAnn Rimes. Singer K.D. Lang built her early career and first five albums on a character that was in large part a tribute to Cline in vocal characteristics, fashion sense (cowgirl skirts and cowboy boots), and musical material. Lang's band was even named the Re-Clines."


Jason,

For the 60s I would break your early music even further. Some is late 60s to early 60s.

Beatnik - jazz plus other music
Go Go Dancing
Rock Crooners - referred to as teen idols also
Doo Wop
Folk & Folk Fusion
California Sound
Garage bands

In defense of Fall Out Boys - Patrick Stump is a huge fan of one of my favorites, Steve Goodman. He played City of New Orleans at a concert in New York. His dad was a Old Town folk musician along with Steve Goodman, John Prine and Bonnie Koloc.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 11.16.15 @ 09:28am


I'll join in a bit on the discussion of artists from the first decade of rock and roll (1953-1963)

I agree that there's still artists from that era that definitely deserve induction, though not near as many from the late 60's, 70's, and definitely 80's periods. But some did get lost in the shuffle due to politics, being forgotten, not being famous enough, etc. I'd say this would be a list of the 15 biggest snubs from that era.


15. Connie Francis

I'm honestly not too big into the whole teen idol period of the late 50's/early 60's, and Connie kind of fits that category of artists to a degree, but in all honesty it's kind of criminal she was never nominated, let alone inducted. She was an absolute hit machine in that period, and she was hands down the biggest female star in the rock and pop music scene (unless you count Patsy Cline) in the late 50's/early 60's. She does seem like a major oversight, even coming from someone that isn't a major fan of her.


14. Peter, Paul, and Mary

Pope Charming really put them on my radar, as I never really thought about how important and deserving they are as an inductee. They really helped bring folk music to the mainstream and they basically led to Bob Dylan becoming a superstar. That alone should get them in.


13. Joan Baez

Folk music for the most part has been ignored by the Hall, as other than Dylan (for his early years), is there really any other folk artists from the genre's peak in the 50's and early 60's inducted into the HOF as Performers? Not that I can think of. And while Dylan was considered the "King of Folk" until he went electric, Joan was the Queen of Folk and was an important figure in 60's music. She's someone that you would've thought would've been in the Hall a long time ago, let alone nominated (which she has yet to be).


12. Cliff Richard and the Shadows

They were the kings of British Rock and Roll in the late 50's and early 60's before the Beatles changed everything. Though they weren't hugely successful here in the States, they were the first big time British rock band, and Cliff Richard, today remains an iconic figure in Britain. If the Hall could look more beyond American music, Cliff and the Shadows would be a no-brainer inductee.


11. The Crystals

This is where Darlene Love should've gotten an induction. Other than the Ronettes, the Crystals were the most famous and successful girl group in the early 60's (before Motown exploded). Hits like "And Then He Kissed Me," "He's a Rebel," "Da Doo Doo Ron Ron" are absolute classics of the early 60's period of music. Their confusing lineup of singers make them a difficult candidate I feel, but the easiest way to induct them would be to induct both lineups as one and give all those ladies a deserving induction.


10. Link Wray and His Wray-Men

He invented the power chord. Does anything else need to be said?


9. Mary Wells

Mary Wells was really the first breakthrough star (well, and the Miracles) for Motown Records in the early 60's. She was the female focal point of the label before the Supremes and Martha Reeves and the Vandellas broke through. And thus she was an important figure in establishing Motown Records as a majorly successful label. If she had not left the label at her peak in early 1964, her legacy would be much greater than it currently is, and she may have been a star on the level of Diana Ross, Tina Turner, or Aretha Franklin today.


8. Billy Ward and His Dominoes

This was one of the leading early 50's R&B groups that really paved the way for what would become rock and roll music. Also another group that could either be inducted in the "Early Influences" category or the Performers one. Either way they should've been inducted. They have been nominated in the past at least, but it's been almost 20 years since they were last nominated. And probably won't be anytime soon sadly.


7. Ben E. King

Ben E. King had a surprisingly long career, from his days with the Drifters in the 50's, to his superstardom as a solo artist in the early 60's, and even his re-emergence as a funk and soul star in the mid 1970's, Ben was a pivotal figure in the R&B music scene for three decades. "Stand by Me" is one of the greatest songs of the 20th century, in addition to his other hits. A deserving inductee indeed.


6. Big Mama Thornton

Big Mama is a borderline candidate as far as which category she belongs on, as you could make a strong argument for her to be an Early Influence inductee as well as a Performer inductee. It kind of depends on your time-frame criteria. To me, I'd induct her as a Performer mainly because in the early years of the Hall they inducted quite a few acts that were very popular in the early 1950's before rock and roll exploded (The Drifters, Ruth Brown, Big Joe Turner, Clyde McPhatter, Muddy Waters, B.B. King come to mind) and Big Mama Thornton was at her peak in that time. No matter which category you feel she should be in, either way she should've been inducted a long time ago, as she was the leading female solo artist in early 50's Blues and R&B music. The fact that she performed the original version of "Hound Dog," one of the most iconic songs of the rock and roll era alone should've gotten her an induction.


5. The Clovers

The Clovers were a hit machine on R&B radio throughout the entire 1950's. They were around in the early 50's with the early vocal groups, and unlike their peers, they managed to continue to have success after rock and roll broke though and enjoyed hit songs up to the early 60's. They had a lot of longevity compared to most other 50's vocal groups and should've been inducted long ago.


4. Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio

One of the greatest rockabilly groups of all time (better than Gene Vincent and the Blue Caps, IMO), but unfortunately didn't have major commercial success during their prime and thus never became a major act during the explosion of rock and roll. Still they perfected the style of rockabilly and would make a fine representative of that style in the HOF.


3. Dick Dale & the Del-Tones

Along with the Ventures, Dick Dale was the architect of surf rock music and besides Chuck Berry and Scotty Moore, probably the greatest guitar player in the first decade of rock music. He was one of the earliest virtuoso guitar players, and pretty much every major guitarist considered him a major influence.


2. Chubby Checker

Chubby defined rock and roll in the early 60's with his string of dance-craze singles, most famously with "The Twist," which is still the biggest dance craze in the rock and roll era some 50 years later. He was a big star in that era and should've been inducted a long time ago.


1. Patsy Cline

One of the biggest female stars in 20th century music, she was the Queen of Country Music. And she was around in the early years of rock and roll and released records of the rock and roll style. Her legacy, influence, and iconic status is more than enough to warrant her a spot in the HOF, one she should've received very early in the Hall, especially after Johnny Cash was inducted in 1992. I'm assuming early on the Hall wasn't going to approach country artists other than in the early Influences category, but once Johnny was inducted, all bets were off, and pretty much any country artists that were borderline rock and roll started being considered. This is when Patsy should've been inducted. She's probably the biggest star of the 50's not in the Hall presently, other than jazz musicians (Dizzy Gillespie, Ella Fitzgerald, etc.) or traditional pop singers (Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, etc.)


Some other artists from that period to consider include The Marvelettes, Chuck Willis, Screamin' Jay Hawkins, Neil Sedaka, Charlie Feathers, Huey Piano Smith and His Clowns, Guitar Slim, Johnny Ace, Brook Benton, The Big Bopper, The Chantels, The Five Keys, Slim Harpo, Jan & Dean, The Kingston Trio, Rufus Thomas, Larry Williams, and Lesley Gore

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 11.16.15 @ 10:29am


I definitely agree with you about Peter, Paul and Mary, Joan Baez Chubby Checker and Patsy Cline.

I'm not so sure about Bing Crosby, Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra who I always thought of as being anti rock. Frank Sinatra actually used artist like Mick Jagger to increase his popularity. I would go more with artist like Andy William, Tom Jones, Bobby Vinton and Paul Anka who actually did help up and coming artist rather than use them.

Missing in early influence

The Carter Family - influenced both country and folk artist

Benny Goodman and Glen Miller - Several rock and roll and rock artist had parents that were big band artist. I sometimes think that a little too much credit is given to some jazz artist while big band artist seem to get no credit for influencing the use of brass in rock and roll and rock.

Tom Paxton - a contemporary of Pete Seger. Several of his songs have been covered by several artist: The Last Thing on My Mind, The Marvelous Toy and Bottle of Wine.

The Chieftains - Irish folk - highly requested to play instruments on other artist works - including: Van Morrison, Rolling Stones, Luciano Pavarotti, Madonna, Roger Daltry, Sinead O'Connor and several folk, rock and country artist.

Several missing country artist are: Willie Nelson, Jerry Reed, Kris Kristofferson and Dottie West who started song writing in the late 50s to early 60s era and did not start to come into their own until the the 70s. It should also be noted that Jerry Reed is highly influential for the picking style he came up with called the claw method of picking among country, folk and rock artist among others.

Other folk artist that should be mentioned are Melanie whose vocal styles is one of the most copied. It has influenced Stevie Nicks, Cindy Lauper and most of today's indie artist.

Judy Collins, Steve Goodman and John Prine should also be mentioned for their influence and of course EmmyLou Harris should not be forgotten.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 11.16.15 @ 15:06pm


Here is my prediction for the Class of 2016.

The Hall of Fame has done 6 inductees since 2012, and I honestly believe that this trend will continue for some time so the Hall of Fame and get caught up with snubs.

Performers

1. Janet Jackson
2. N.W.A.
3. Nine Inch Nails
4. Chicago
5. Cheap Trick
6. The Cars

Musical Excellence

1. The J-B's
2. Weird Al Yankovic

Non-Performer

1. Rick Rubin


I think Deep Purple, Yes, and Chic will wait 1 more year, and then they will be inducted in 2017 with Pearl Jam and Tupac Shakur.

Posted by Kyle on Wednesday, 11.18.15 @ 06:29am


KYLE
Like your Induction choices. My only difference is Deep Purple making it this year. It helps that KISS, Nirvana, Heart, Black Sabbath and especially Metallica will throw votes Deep Purple's way. Ritchie Blackmore was smart to announce some 2016 shows doing some Rainbow/Deep Purple songs now. It would be nice seeing the different Mark formations at the Ceremony. Blackmore, Gillan, Glover, Hughes, Paice etc.

Like to see The Spinners sneak in finally. My Final 6 Inductions would be: 1. Chicago 2.Deep Purple 3.Janet Jackson 4.Nine Inch Nails 5.The Spinners 6.YES. Hoping Steve Miller but strong ballot.This is a strong class but can't go wrong with any of 12 or 13.

The Cars & Cheap Trick will be very interesting. Their 1st decade was similar as both landed big hits and albums in late 70's. Solid 80's albums as well.I would give Cheap Trick slight advantage due to their longevity.

I think N.W.A, NIN, and YES would be slam dunks in most years but only 1 may be inducted in 2016. Thanks Kyle with your FRL posts. They are smart and informative. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 11.18.15 @ 20:19pm


It just hit me how silly it is that Deep Purple hasn't been inducted yet. They have been eligible since 1993. 22 years ago. In 1993, Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers were inducted. In a sane world, swap out Deep Purple for Frankie Lymon and nobody would have noticed or said a word.

Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 11.18.15 @ 22:10pm


Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers where hugely influential. Straight from Wikipedia:

"Although their period of success was brief, Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers' string of hits were highly influential on the rock and R&B performers who followed them. Lymon's high-voiced sound is said to be a direct predecessor of the girl group sound, and the list of performers who name him as an influence include Michael Jackson, Ronnie Spector, Diana Ross, The Chantels, The Temptations, Smokey Robinson, Len Barry and The Beach Boys, among others. The performers most inspired by and derivative of Lymon and the Teenagers' style are The Jackson 5 and their lead singer and future superstar Michael Jackson. Motown founder Berry Gordy based much of the Jackson 5's sound on Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers' recordings, and the Teenagers are believed to be the original model for many of the other Motown groups he cultivated."

To me the biggest issue has been the years of only inducting 5 acts a year. You bump that up to 7-10 and you have a lot less issues.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 11.18.15 @ 22:14pm


Gassman,

You hit right on it. That is the biggest issue. Those years when the classes were shrunk to 5. Now I am not one to judge artists from Before my era. I know almost nothing about Frankie Lymon. I can easily say that Deep Purple should have been inducted in 1993 or something like that. However I won't. I guess it's a respect your elders kind of thing.

I know that in that year it was people like Ruth Brown, Frankie Lymon, Cream, CCR and the Doors. At that time 60s artists were just coming of age. The Hall was just putting 60s people on the committee. I love Deep Purple. In that time 8 artists were inducted. Now I could understand a little delay. It makes sense that some artists from the 60s went in right away together with paying homage to 50s artists still going in. It's easy to go back and wish this and wish that but respect was still being given to 50s artist. 50s is not a realm of mine at all but I understand the Hall still Inducting them at the time.

Nobody including me was complaining at the time because people like Cream and the Doors were going in. I don't like taking issue with artists from a different era. I wouldn't like it if some day someone is complaining that Fugazi or someone didn't go in while Chicago and Deep Purple did. I figure Fugazi is an era a little later than mine. I've heard of them.

So anyway paying Homage is fine. Now 10 years later it was 2003. Only 5 artists went in. That is much more of a problem. You had ones like AC/DC, The Police and the Righteous Brothers. There was also the Clash and Elvis Costello. There lies the problem. Why couldn't the Hall have caught up on Chicago and Deep Purple in 2003 or something? The odds were very against Deep Purple to go in right away but why not in 2003 or 2004. I agree with your point right here. When they limited it to 5 they were still paying homage with Righteous Bros, going with AC/DC for Hard Rock and getting in with huge Punk/ New Wave artists. If it had still been 8 artists the ones that went in would still be inducted plus Chicago and Deep Purple perhaps.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11.19.15 @ 05:58am


GASSMAN

I agree with you 100% about Deep Purple. They could have entered first ballot DP 1993. Nobody would have questioned it. Deep Purple has better qualifications than over 50% of those already inducted. Ritchie Blackmore has influenced dozens of guitarists including greats like Malmsteen, Satriani,& Vai. Also albums like In Rock & Machine Head Classic albums. They Deep Purple were pioneers in the heavy rock or metal. Throw in the different branches of Deep Purple Coverdale & Whitesnake plus Ritchie Blackmore & Rainbow show the innovation and talent of the Deep Purple members. I would be shocked if Deep Purple did not get inducted in this 2015-2016 cycle. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 11.19.15 @ 22:03pm


FINAL PREDICTION

THE 2016 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. Chicago
02. Deep Purple
03. Los Lobos
04. The Spinners
05. Steve Miller
06. Janet Jackson

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 01:49am


I personally don't think that the JB's should be inducted. At least not before the ORIGINAL JAMES BROWN BAND. They were far more iconic, and played on 10 times as many hits to boot !!! While Famous Flames founder BOBBY BYRD definitely deserves to be inducted a second time (without HIM and The Flames, people would be saying "James WHO ??")inducting simply the post 1970 Band would leave out many stellar players as JB Bandleaders NAT JONES, ALFRED ELLIS, and J.C. DAVIS , as well as : CLYDE STUBBLEFIELD, CLAYTON FILLAU,BERNARD PURDIE, JIMMY NOLEN, WAYMON REED ,BERNARD ODUM,and other members of the Original James Brown Band that were NOT a part of the later band , The JB's.
Members that were a part of BOTH old and new JB Bands were: MACEO PARKER,his brother MELVIN PARKER, FRED WESLEY, & JOHN "JABO" STARKS,
THESE were the guys that were on such hits as I FEEL GOOD, PAPA'S GOT A BRAND NEW BAG, IT'S A MAN'S WORLD, SAY IT LOUD , I'VE GOT THE FEELING,OUT OF SIGHT and numerous other hits ...long BEFORE Bootsy and his brother even GOT there !!and THEY'RE going to be ignored...while the (much later) JB's GET NOMINATED ??



Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 02:41am


Gassman,

I agree with Your actual point. You said that Frankie Lymon was influential. I know almost nothing about him. Too early an era for me. I wouldn't dispute it. Classic Rock made the point that they could have swapped Frankie Lymon for Deep Purple not you. King was saying that he agreed with You that Deep Purple could have been inducted in 93 Not you.

I would have loved seeing Deep Purple go in at that time. Knowing how the Hall works that would not have happened. At that time the oldest Nom members had firm hold still and 60s rockers were just getting on the Com. In 93 Cream, CCR, The Doors and Van Morrison all went in. I like all of those and that is where the Hall was at. There were no Hard Rockers on the Com yet. You seem to agree with that. I do think though that Deep Purple could certainly have been inducted before this. Around 2003 or 2004 would have been right.

The years of only inducting 5 acts a Year was the biggest issue like you said.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 04:39am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q96ylFiQK_I

Frankie Lymon and The Teenagers were the Jackson Five of the 1950's . they were HUGE !!!

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 13:26pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r2HF5uHtNE

The Teenagers were also one of the first interracially mixed groups...with 3 Black and two Hispanic members .

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 13:35pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSUXrU9i2Zk

The Teenagers' Rock Hall Induction...inducted by BOYSllMEN

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 13:39pm


So recently, I worked on a project, where I basically went back and re-made the entire Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. For each year from 1986-2016, I came up with my own nominees, and my own inductees for each year. I went back and made a master list of every notable artist that became eligible for every year and chose from the list of eligible artists. My original plan was to do 30 nominees, and 10 inductees for the first 10 years of the Hall, then cut it down to about 20 nominees and 8 inductees for the next 10 years after that, but the 30 nominees, 10 inductees format worked so well, I ended up just sticking with that format for the entire 30 years.

And because I was in theory the sole member of the Nominating Committee as well as the Voting Committee, I didn't have to change nominees each year. Basically once an artist got on my list of nominees, they stayed on it every year until they got inducted. So basically each year, I would induct 10 of the 30 nominees, and the following year, the 20 nominees that didn't make the cut the previous year returned to the ballot, while 10 new artists (mostly newly eligible) made the ballot.

From a combination of greatness as well as chronological relevance to music history, that's how I chose who got in each year.

I must say this project proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, that if the Hall hadn't limited the amount of inductees to 5 per year for so many years, their backlog issue would not be near as high. By 2005, I had just about every truly worthy artist from before 1980 inducted, and I got to the point where I probably could've cut down the amount of nominees and inductees, that's how well it went. But I ultimately stuck with the format for the last 10 years of the project.


Anyways, I plan on making a much more detailed blog on my blog page in the next month or so (busy with work for the next month or so with Christmas season here), but I thought I'd go ahead and share the results with everyone here. Each post will contain my list of nominees and chosen inductees for each year. I'll do 1986-1995 in one post, 1996-2005 in another, and then 2006-2016 in the last post.

The posts will follow.

Posted by Donnie on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 15:38pm


1986

Nominees: Chuck Berry, James Brown and the Famous Flames, Ruth Brown, Johnny Cash, Ray Charles, Chubby Checker, The Coasters, Eddie Cochran, Sam Cooke, Bobby Darin, Bo Diddley, Dion, Fats Domino, The Drifters, The Everly Brothers, Bill Haley & His Comets, Buddy Holly and the Crickets, B.B. King, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, Carl Perkins, The Platters, Elvis Presley, The Shirelles, Big Mama Thornton, Big Joe Turner, Gene Vincent and His Blue Caps, Muddy Waters, and Jackie Wilson

Final Inductees: Chuck Berry, James Brown and the Famous Flames, Johnny Cash, Ray Charles, Sam Cooke, Bo Diddley, Fats Domino, Buddy Holly and the Crickets, Little Richard, Elvis Presley


1987

Nominees: Hank Ballard and the Midnighters, Ruth Brown, Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio Chubby Checker, Patsy Cline, The Coasters, Eddie Cochran, Bobby Darin, Dion, The Drifters, The Everly Brothers, Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Bill Haley & His Comets, B.B. King, Ben E. King, Jerry Lee Lewis, Ricky Nelson, Roy Orbison, Carl Perkins, The Platters, Smokey Robinson and the Miracles, The Shirelles, The Temptations, Big Mama Thornton, Big Joe Turner, Ike and Tina Turner, Gene Vincent and His Blue Caps, Muddy Waters, Jackie Wilson

Final Inductees: The Coasters, Eddie Cochran, The Drifters, The Everly Brothers, Bill Haley & His Comets, B.B. King, Jerry Lee Lewis, Roy Orbison, The Platters, Muddy Waters


1988

Nominees: Hank Ballard and the Midnighters, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, Ruth Brown, Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio, Chubby Checker, Patsy Cline, The Clovers, Bobby Darin, Dion, Bob Dylan, The Four Seasons, The Four Tops, Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Howlin’ Wolf, Ben E. King, Ricky Nelson, Carl Perkins, Smokey Robinson and the Miracles, The Shirelles, The Supremes, The Temptations, Big Mama Thornton, Big Joe Turner, Ike and Tina Turner, Gene Vincent and His Blue Caps, Mary Wells, Jackie Wilson, Stevie Wonder

Final Inductees: The Beach Boys, The Beatles, Bob Dylan, Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Carl Perkins, Smokey Robinson and the Miracles, The Supremes, Big Joe Turner, Stevie Wonder


1989

Nominees: The 5 Royales, Hank Ballard and the Midnighters, Booker T. and the MG’s, Ruth Brown, Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio, Chubby Checker, Patsy Cline, The Clovers, Bobby Darin, Dion, The Four Seasons, The Four Tops, Howlin’ Wolf, The Isley Brothers, Ben E. King, Martha and the Vandellas, Ricky Nelson, Wilson Pickett, Otis Redding, The Righteous Brothers, The Rolling Stones, The Ronettes, The Shirelles, The Temptations, Big Mama Thornton, Ike and Tina Turner, Richie Valens, Gene Vincent and His Blue Caps, Mary Wells, Jackie Wilson

Final Inductees: Ruth Brown, Bobby Darin, Dion, The Four Seasons, The Four Tops, Otis Redding, The Rolling Stones, The Shirelles, The Temptations, Jackie Wilson


1990

Nominees: The 5 Royales, The Animals, Hank Ballard and the Midnighters, Booker T. and the MG’s, Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio, Chubby Checker, The Dave Clark Five, Patsy Cline, The Clovers, Dick Dale and the Del-Tones, Howlin’ Wolf, The Isley Brothers, Ben E. King, The Kinks, Brenda Lee, Martha and the Vandellas, Clyde McPhatter, Ricky Nelson, Wilson Pickett, The Righteous Brothers, The Ronettes, Big Mama Thornton, Simon and Garfunkel, Ike and Tina Turner, Richie Valens, The Ventures, Gene Vincent and His Blue Caps, Link Wray and His Wray-Men, Mary Wells, The Who

Final Inductees: Chubby Checker, Patsy Cline, Howlin’ Wolf, The Isley Brothers, The Kinks, Clyde McPhatter, Ricky Nelson, Simon and Garfunkel, Ike and Tina Turner, The Who


1991

Nominees: The 5 Royales, The Animals, Hank Ballard and the Midnighters, Booker T. and the MG’s, Solomon Burke, Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio, The Byrds, The Dave Clark Five, The Clovers, Dick Dale and the Del-Tones, John Lee Hooker, The Impressions, Etta James, Ben E. King, Brenda Lee, Little Willie John, Martha and the Vandellas, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Wilson Pickett, Gene Pitney, Jimmy Reed, The Righteous Brothers, The Ronettes, Big Mama Thorton, Richie Valens, The Ventures, Gene Vincent and the Blue Caps, Link Wray and His Wray-Men, Mary Wells, The Yardbirds

Final Inductees: Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio, The Byrds, The Clovers, Dick Dale and the Del-Tones, Etta James, Ben E. King, Little Willie John, Wilson Pickett, Big Mama Thornton, Gene Vincent and the Blue-Caps


1992

Nominees: The 5 Royales, The Animals, Hank Ballard and the Midnighters, Booker T. and the MG’s, David Bowie, Solomon Burke, The Dave Clark Five, Cream, Neil Diamond, The Flamingos, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, John Lee Hooker, The Impressions, Brenda Lee, Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers, Bob Marley and the Wailers, Martha and the Vandellas, The Moody Blues, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Gene Pitney, Jimmy Reed, The Righteous Brothers, The Ronettes, Sam & Dave, Richie Valens, The Ventures, The Velvet Underground, Link Wray and His Wray-Men, Mary Wells, The Yardbirds,

Final Inductees: The Animals, Booker T. and the MG’s, David Bowie, Cream, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, John Lee Hooker, Bob Marley and the Wailers, Martha and the Vandellas, The Velvet Underground, The Yardbirds


1993

Nominees: The 5 Royales, Hank Ballard and the Midnighters, Solomon Burke, The Dave Clark Five, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Neil Diamond, The Doors, The Flamingos, The Grateful Dead, The Impressions, Jefferson Airplane, Brenda Lee, Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers, The Mamas and the Papas, The Monkees, The Moody Blues, Van Morrison, Pink Floyd, Gene Pitney, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Jimmy Reed, The Righteous Brothers, The Ronettes, Sam & Dave, Sly and the Family Stone, Richie Valens, The Ventures, Link Wray and His Wray-Men, Mary Wells, Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention

Final Inductees: Hank Ballard and the Midnighters, Creedence Clearwater Revival, The Doors, The Grateful Dead, The Impressions, Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers, Van Morrison, Pink Floyd, Jimmy Reed, Sly and the Family Stone


1994

Nominees: The 5 Royales, The Band, The Bee Gees, Solomon Burke, The Dave Clark Five, Neil Diamond, The Dominoes, The Flamingos, The Jackson 5, Jefferson Airplane, Elton John, Brenda Lee, John Lennon, The Mamas and the Papas, The Monkees, The Moody Blues, Gene Pitney, Lloyd Price, Paul Revere and the Raiders, The Righteous Brothers, The Ronettes, Sam & Dave, Dusty Springfield, Richie Valens, The Ventures, Link Wray and His Wray-Men, Mary Wells, Neil Young, The (Young) Rascals, Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention

Final Inductees: The Band, The Dominoes, Jefferson Airplane, Elton John, John Lennon, the Mamas and the Papas, The Moody Blues, Sam & Dave, Richie Valens, Neil Young


1995

Nominees: The 5 Royales, The Allman Brothers Band, The Bee Gees, Solomon Burke, Crosby, Stills, & Nash, The Dave Clark Five, Deep Purple, Neil Diamond, The Flamingos, Fleetwood Mac, The Jackson 5, Janis Joplin, Led Zeppelin, Brenda Lee, The Lovin’ Spoonful, The MC5, The Monkees, Gene Pitney, Lloyd Price, Paul Revere and the Raiders, The Righteous Brothers, The Ronettes, Dusty Springfield, The Stooges, The Ventures, Link Wray and His Wray-Men, Mary Wells, The (Young) Rascals, Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention, The Zombies

Final Inductees: The Allman Brothers Band, The Bee Gees, Crosby, Stills, & Nash, The Jackson 5, Janis Joplin, Led Zeppelin, Brenda Lee, The Righteous Brothers, Dusty Springfield, Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention

Posted by Donnie on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 15:46pm


1996

Nominees: The 5 Royales, Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, Bobby “Blue” Bland, Solomon Burke, Eric Clapton, The Dave Clark Five, Deep Purple, Neil Diamond, The Flamingos, Fleetwood Mac, Kraftwerk, The Lovin’ Spoonful, Curtis Mayfield, The MC5, Paul McCartney, Joni Mitchell, The Monkees, Parliament/Funkadelic, Gene Pitney, Lloyd Price, Paul Revere and the Raiders, The Ronettes, Santana, The Stooges, The Ventures, Link Wray and His Wray-Men, Mary Wells, The (Young) Rascals, The Zombies

Final Inductees: The 5 Royales, Black Sabbath, Eric Clapton, Fleetwood Mac, Curtis Mayfield, Paul McCartney, Joni Mitchell, Parliament/Funkadelic, Lloyd Price, The Ronettes


1997

Nominees: Chicago, Alice Cooper, Bobby “Blue” Bland, Solomon Burke, The Dave Clark Five, Deep Purple, Neil Diamond, Earth, Wind, & Fire, The Flamingos, Billy Joel, King Crimson, Kraftwerk, The Lovin’ Spoonful, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The MC5, The Monkees, Gene Pitney, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Santana, The Spinners, Rod Stewart, The Stooges, T. Rex, The Ventures, War, Link Wray and His Wray-Men, Mary Wells, Yes, The (Young) Rascals, The Zombies

Final Inductees: Alice Cooper, The Dave Clark Five, Deep Purple, Neil Diamond, Billy Joel, Santana, Rod Stewart, The Ventures, Mary Wells, The (Young) Rascals


1998

Nominees: Bobby “Blue” Bland, Solomon Burke, Chicago, Eagles, Earth, Wind, & Fire, The Flamingos, Genesis, George Harrison, Isaac Hayes, Michael Jackson, King Crimson, Kraftwerk, The Lovin’ Spoonful, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The MC5, The Monkees, The O’Jays, Gene Pitney, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Paul Simon, The Spinners, The Staple Singers, Steely Dan, The Stooges, T. Rex, Jethro Tull, War, Link Wray and His Wray-Men, Yes, The Zombies

Final Inductees: Bobby “Blue” Bland, Solomon Burke, Eagles, Earth Wind, & Fire, The Flamingos, Michael Jackson, Kraftwerk, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Steely Dan, The Stooges


1999

Nominees: Abba, Aerosmith, Chicago, Jimmy Cliff, Donovan, Duane Eddy, Genesis, George Harrison, Isaac Hayes, King Crimson, Gladys Knight and the Pips, The Lovin’ Spoonful, The MC5, The Monkees, The O’Jays, Gene Pitney, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Queen, Paul Simon, The Spinners, Bruce Springsteen and the E-Street Band, The Staple Singers, James Taylor, T. Rex, Jethro Tull, Traffic, War, Link Wray and His Wray-Men, Yes, The Zombies

Final Inductees: Aerosmith, George Harrison, Gladys Knight and the Pips, The O’Jays, Queen, Paul Simon, Bruce Springsteen and the E-Street Band, The Staple Singers, Link Wray and His Wray-Men, Yes


2000

Nominees: Abba, Chicago, Jimmy Cliff, The Crystals, Donovan, Duane Eddy, Electric Light Orchestra, Genesis, Isaac Hayes, King Crimson, KISS, The Lovin’ Spoonful, The MC5, The Monkees, The New York Dolls, Gene Pitney, , Paul Revere and the Raiders, Roxy Music, Rush, Bob Seger, The Spinners, James Taylor, T. Rex, Jethro Tull, Traffic, Tina Turner, War, Barry White, The Zombies, ZZ Top

Final Inductees: Chicago, The Crystals, Duane Eddy, Genesis, KISS, The Monkees, Bob Seger, The Spinners, James Taylor, Tina Turner


2001

Nominees: Abba, AC/DC, Big Star, Jackson Browne, Jimmy Cliff, Donovan, Electric Light Orchestra, The Guess Who, Isaac Hayes, King Crimson, Kool and the Gang, The Lovin’ Spoonful, The MC5, The New York Dolls, Gram Parsons, Gene Pitney, Bonnie Raitt, Lou Reed, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Roxy Music, Rush, Patti Smith, T. Rex, Jethro Tull, Traffic, War, Bill Withers, Barry White, The Zombies, ZZ Top

Final Inductees: AC/DC, Jimmy Cliff, Donovan, Isaac Hayes, King Crimson, The Lovin’ Spoonful, The MC5, Bonnie Raitt, T. Rex, The Zombies


2002

Nominees: Abba, Big Star, Blondie, Jackson Browne, The Doobie Brothers, Electric Light Orchestra, The Guess Who, Buddy Guy, The Hollies, Kool and the Gang, John Mellencamp, The New York Dolls, Gram Parsons, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Gene Pitney, Ramones, Lou Reed, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Linda Ronstadt, Roxy Music, Rush, The Sex Pistols, Patti Smith, Talking Heads, Jethro Tull, Traffic, War, Bill Withers, Barry White, ZZ Top

Final Inductees: Abba, The New York Dolls, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Gene Pitney, Ramones, Linda Ronstadt, Rush, The Sex Pistols, Talking Heads, War


2003

Nominees: Big Star, Blondie, Jackson Browne, The Clash, The Commodores, Elvis Costello and the Attractions, The Doobie Brothers, Electric Light Orchestra, Peter Gabriel, The Guess Who, Buddy Guy, The Hollies, Kool and the Gang, Little Walter, John Mellencamp, Gram Parsons, The Police, Lou Reed, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Cliff Richard and the Shadows, Roxy Music, Todd Rundgren, Patti Smith, Donna Summer, Jethro Tull, Traffic, Tom Waits, Bill Withers, Barry White, ZZ Top

Final Inductees: Jackson Browne, The Clash, Elvis Costello and the Attractions, Electric Light Orchestra, Peter Gabriel, Little Walter, The Police, Lou Reed, Roxy Music, Jethro Tull


2004

Nominees: Jeff Beck, Big Star, Blondie, The Commodores, The Cure, The Delfonics, The Doobie Brothers, The Guess Who, Buddy Guy, The Hollies, Joy Division, Kool and the Gang, John Mellencamp, Willie Nelson, Randy Newman, Gram Parsons, Prince, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Cliff Richard and the Shadows, Rufus/w Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Patti Smith, Donna Summer, Traffic, Van Halen, Tom Waits, Chuck Willis, Bill Withers, Barry White, ZZ Top

Final Inductees: Buddy Guy, Joy Division, Willie Nelson, Prince, Cliff Richard and the Shadows, Patti Smith, Donna Summer, Traffic, Van Halen, ZZ Top


2005

Nominees: Jeff Beck, Big Star, Blondie, The Cars, Chic, The Commodores, The Cure, Def Leppard, The Delfonics, Devo, The Doobie Brothers, The Guess Who, Hall & Oates, Heart, The Hollies, Judas Priest, Carole King, Kool and the Gang, John Mellencamp, Randy Newman, Gram Parsons, The Pretenders, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Rufus/w Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, U2, Tom Waits, Chuck Willis, Bill Withers, Barry White,

Final Inductees: Blondie, The Cars, Def Leppard, The Delfonics, Devo, The Doobie Brothers, Carole King, John Mellencamp, The Pretenders, U2

Posted by Donnie on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 15:51pm


2006

Nominees: Joan Baez, Jeff Beck, Big Star, Chic, The Commodores, The Cure, The Guess Who, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Hall & Oates, Heart, The Hollies, Wanda Jackson, Tommy James and the Shondells, Judas Priest, Kool and the Gang, Little Anthony and the Imperials, The Marvelettes, Steve Miller Band, Randy Newman, Gram Parsons, Dolly Parton, Peter, Paul, and Mary, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Rufus/w Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Gil Scott-Heron, Tom Waits, Chuck Willis, Bill Withers, Barry White

Final Inductees: Chic, The Commodores, The Cure, The Guess Who, Hall & Oates, The Hollies, Judas Priest, Little Anthony and the Imperials, Dolly Parton, Bill Withers


2007

Nominees: The B-52’s, Bad Company, Joan Baez, Jeff Beck, Big Star, Black Flag, Cheap Trick, Depeche Mode, Dire Straits, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Heart, Iron Maiden, Wanda Jackson, Tommy James and the Shondells, Journey, KC and the Sunshine Band, Kool and the Gang, The Marvelettes, Steve Miller Band, Randy Newman, Gram Parsons, Peter, Paul, and Mary, Paul Revere and the Raiders, R.E.M., Rufus/w Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Gil Scott-Heron, Tom Waits, Chuck Willis, Barry White

Final Inductees: Joan Baez, Big Star, Depeche Mode, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Wanda Jackson, Kool and the Gang, Steve Miller Band, R.E.M., Tom Waits, Barry White


2008

Nominees: The B-52’s, Bad Company, Beastie Boys, Jeff Beck, Black Flag, Cheap Trick, Dead Kennedys, Dire Straits, Eurythmics, Heart, Iron Maiden, Janet Jackson, Tommy James and the Shondells, Journey, KC and the Sunshine Band, Madonna, The Marvelettes, Metallica, The Meters, Randy Newman, Gram Parsons, Peter, Paul, and Mary, The Replacements, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Rufus/w Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Gil Scott-Heron, Sonic Youth, Luther Vandross, Chuck Willis

Final Inductees: Jeff Beck, Heart, Iron Maiden, Journey, Madonna, Metallica, Randy Newman, Peter Paul, and Mary, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Todd Rundgren



2009

Nominees: The B-52’s, Bad Company, Beastie Boys, Pat Benatar, Black Flag, Cheap Trick, Phil Collins, Dead Kennedys, Dire Straits, Eurythmics, Janet Jackson, Tommy James and the Shondells, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, KC and the Sunshine Band, The Marvelettes, The Meters, Motorhead, Motley Crue, New Order, Harry Nilsson, Gram Parsons, The Replacements, Run-DMC, Rufus/w Chaka Khan, Gil Scott-Heron, The Smiths, Sonic Youth, Luther Vandross, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble, Chuck Willis

Final Inductees: Bad Company, Black Flag, Cheap Trick, Janet Jackson, Tommy James and the Shondells, Gram Parsons, Run-DMC, Rufus w/Chaka Khan, The Smiths, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble



2010

Nominees: The B-52’s, Beastie Boys, Pat Benatar, Boston, The Buzzcocks, Phil Collins, Dead Kennedys, The Dells, Dire Straits, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Charlie Feathers, Connie Francis, Whitney Houston, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, KC and the Sunshine Band, Albert King, LL Cool J, The Marvelettes, The Meters, Motorhead, Motley Crue, New Order, Harry Nilsson, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Replacements, Gil Scott-Heron, Sonic Youth, Luther Vandross, Chuck Willis

Final Inductees: Beastie Boys, The Buzzcocks, Eurythmics, Connie Francis, Whitney Houston, Albert King, The Marvelettes, Motley Crue, New Order, Chuck Willis



2011

Nominees: The B-52’s, Pat Benatar, Boston, Joe Cocker, Phil Collins, Dead Kennedys, The Dells, Dire Straits, Duran Duran, Charlie Feathers, Screamin’ Jay Hawkins, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, KC and the Sunshine Band, Patti Labelle, LL Cool J, The Meters, The Moonglows, Giorgio Moroder, Motorhead, Harry Nilsson, Laura Nyro, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Replacements, Gil Scott-Heron, Neil Sedaka, The Small Faces, Sonic Youth, Sonny and Cher, Cat Stevens, Luther Vandross

Final Inductees: Joe Cocker, Phil Collins, Dead Kennedys, Dire Straits, Duran Duran, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, LL Cool J, Motorhead, The Replacements, Luther Vandross



2012

Nominees: Bad Brains, The B-52’s, Pat Benatar, Bon Jovi, Boston, Kate Bush, The Dells, Eric B. and Rakim, Charlie Feathers, The Go Go’s, Grand Funk Railroad Guns N’ Roses, Screamin’ Jay Hawkins, Don Henley, KC and the Sunshine Band, Patti Labelle, The Meters, The Moonglows, Giorgio Moroder, Harry Nilsson, Laura Nyro, Ozzy Osbourne, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Salt N’ Pepa, Gil Scott-Heron, Neil Sedaka, The Small Faces, Sonic Youth, Sonny and Cher, Cat Stevens,

Final Inductees: The B-52’s, Pat Benatar, Bon Jovi, Eric B. and Rakim, Guns N’ Roses, The Meters, The Moonglows, Laura Nyro, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Sonic Youth



2013

Nominees: Bad Brains, Boston, Kate Bush, The Dells, Charlie Feathers, The Go Go’s, Grand Funk Railroad Screamin’ Jay Hawkins, Don Henley, Husker Du, INXS, Jane’s Addiction, KC and the Sunshine Band, Patti Labelle, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Giorgio Moroder, Harry Nilsson, N.W.A. Ozzy Osbourne, The Pixies, Public Enemy, Salt N’ Pepa, Gil Scott-Heron, Neil Sedaka, Slayer, The Small Faces, Sonny and Cher, Soundgarden, Cat Stevens

Final Inductees: Boston, Kate Bush, The Dells, Screamin’ Jay Hawkins, Harry Nilsson, N.W.A., Ozzy Osbourne, The Pixies, Public Enemy, Soundgarden



2014

Nominees: Bad Brains, Bobby Brown, De La Soul, Gloria Estefan, Faith No More, Charlie Feathers, The Go Go’s, Grand Funk Railroad, Don Henley, Husker Du, INXS, Jane’s Addiction, KC and the Sunshine Band, Patti Labelle, Cyndi Lauper, Megadeth, George Michael, Giorgio Moroder, Nirvana, Teddy Pendergrass, Sade, Salt N’ Pepa, Gil Scott-Heron, Neil Sedaka, Slayer, The Small Faces, Sonny and Cher, Cat Stevens, Sting, “Weird Al” Yankovic,

Final Inductees: Bad Brains, De La Soul, Grand Funk Railroad, Jane’s Addiction, George Michael, Nirvana, Salt N’ Pepa, Slayer, The Small Faces, “Weird Al” Yankovic



2015

Nominees: Anita Baker, Blue Oyster Cult, Boogie Down Productions, Garth Brooks, Bobby Brown, Gloria Estefan, Faith No More, Charlie Feathers, Foreigner, The Go Go’s, Green Day, Don Henley, Husker Du, Ice-T, INXS, KC and the Sunshine Band, Lenny Kravitz, Patti Labelle, Cyndi Lauper, Megadeth, Giorgio Moroder, Nine Inch Nails, Teddy Pendergrass, Queen Latifah, Sade, Gil Scott-Heron, Neil Sedaka, Sonny and Cher, Cat Stevens, Sting

Final Inductees: Blue Oyster Cult, Green Day, Don Henley, Ice-T, INXS, Giorgio Moroder, Nine Inch Nails, Gil-Scott Heron, Neil Sedaka, Cat Stevens



2016

Nominees: Alice in Chains, Anita Baker, Blur, Boogie Down Productions, Garth Brooks, Bobby Brown, Mariah Carey, En Vogue, Gloria Estefan, Faith No More, Charlie Feathers, Foreigner, The Go Go’s, Husker Du, Ice Cube, KC and the Sunshine Band, Lenny Kravitz, Patti Labelle, Cyndi Lauper, Megadeth, Moby, Sinead O’Connor, Teddy Pendergrass, Queen Latifah, Sade, Smashing Pumpkins, Sonny and Cher, Sting, The Stone Roses, A Tribe Called Quest

Final Inductees: Alice in Chains, Garth Brooks, Mariah Carey, Charlie Feathers, Ice Cube, Megadeth, Sade, Smashing Pumpkins, Sonny and Cher, A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Donnie on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 15:57pm


Are you picking more than the hall? There were several years that there were more inductions than you have.

You are picking nominations and you are picking inductions and you are missing something very important. Are the right people being nominated and therefore are the right people getting inducted? If you are getting who you want you have a whole blind spot to another aspect to the problem.

There have been a number of inductions that have been questionable. You are not showing anything to reflect that problem. Also I do not think you are being realistic in who would be picked. Again this is who you want and not who has gotten the votes and who needed to be nominated several times before they were inducted. I also think you are not giving consideration to would certain artist be pushed back if other artist were also nominated that same year.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 22:26pm


Bill G.

Agreed it would be a misfortune. Looking at it however, it would appear that the band that played on those hits never received artist credits (while the Famous Flames did, despite not singing a note on several of them). In that event, it would probably be mistake to actually nominate them for the Performer category (just my opinion, though). Was there a reliable continuity of personnel on those records and on the tours with James before the J.B.'s came into the picture? If so, I think you could make a strong case to have some sort of induction for "the James Brown band" to induct all of those people you mention in the Award For Musical Excellence category. If not, however, it looks like it will have to come down to individually recognizing the various players throughout the years, which would be an arduous task, since to make the Hall as individuals, they would not only need other solid credentials apart from James Brown to show their true musicianship, but they'd also need the Hall to wake up. The Hall only inducted a couple "Wrecking Crew" members and only a couple members from Motown's stable of gifted musicians (I think a couple of the actual Funk Brothers, but I'm not sure), so they're really asleep at that wheel (I won't even get into the omission of the Jordanaires either). It really should happen, because if it hadn't been for the way "I Got You," "Papa's Got A Brand New Bag," "Cold Sweat," and "It's A Man's World grabbed us when they did, I don't know if audiences would have been as forgiving for the monotony and derivative nature and just plain lazy "songwriting" of a lot of his '70's stuff. (That's my opinion, at least... I'm sure a lot of those songs were primarily meant to be the backing track for his electrifying stage presence.)

Donnie,

Excellent work. Don't know if I'd have had the patience to flesh that out the way you did. Excellent work.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 22:44pm


Zuzu,

This project was a completely biased project on my part, And I have no apologies for it. This was basically my rock and roll hall of fame over the last 30 years, with my own rules, criteria, choices, etc. The only rule from the real Hall that I kept, was the 25 year eligibility rule. So yeah, this was basically my version of the Hall. Sorry, I didn't state that more clearly.

Posted by Donnie on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 23:19pm


Donnie,

That was an interesting project there. I don't know that a lot of people would take the time for it. It does demonstrate the point How the limit of 5 or 6 Inductees causes a problem.

You have Chicago inducted in 2000 and the Moody Blues before that back in the 90s. That's good. I think I would have had all 50s artists inducted earlier in this Dream project. You get the idea across though. I don't think Bluer Oyster Cult who like quite a bit as well as KC & the Sunshine Band are being nominated any time soon But Hey it's your list.

I'll go back to the Real World of 2016 Nominees and Inductees of Now and Future Now. A world where deserved Inductees are delayed soo Much.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 07:08am


Donnie,

My comment relates to your following statement.

"I must say this project proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, that if the Hall hadn't limited the amount of inductees to 5 per year for so many years, their backlog issue would not be near as high. By 2005, I had just about every truly worthy artist from before 1980 inducted, and I got to the point where I probably could've cut down the amount of nominees and inductees, that's how well it went. But I ultimately stuck with the format for the last 10 years of the project."

This relates back to an argument I have been making that the larger problems is who is being nominated. I think you are actually proving that nomination bias is the bigger problem.

1. You are inducting some artist on the first year of nomination when in reality the did not get inducted for several years

2. There are some artist that never even should have been nominated - let alone inducted and they are on your list. One of these artist is one that I did buy one of their albums. It is not a matter of were they good or bad but one of were they good enough.

Without plugging up those holes you can not show that limiting the number of inductees was the main problem.

Maybe I misunderstood your intent of doing this exercise but bias has been the complaint of many artist. Some of these artist that have spoken up have been guest nom com members. One even said that a nominee was just put through without discussion.

Sorry but it is the numbers person in me that requires a higher standard. It is a habit that was formed from taking several classes that concentrated on the use of logic.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 10:58am


What we can say about the exercise is at least Artists like Chicago a fav of yours Zuzu and Moody Blues and various others are Inducted sooner than in the Real Hall.

You are right Zuzu. Bias is another terrible problem. Although if Donnie is Huge on Frankie Lymon and yet he included them. I have said that many times who am I to judge about an earlier Era. That is why I have no prob with Frankie Lymon in his 93 Inductees and Richie Valens in his 94. Those are both inductees in real Life.

Donnie continues the Bias Prob but he does at least get rid of the problem created by limiting the amount of inductees to 5 per year. That just made things worse. The Bias plus a limit. So to be positive if that's Ok things would have been better. Hey he has Moody Blues inducted in 1993 as it should have been and Chicago in 2000. Linda Ronstadt is inducted in 2002. So it solves things a bit. Bias is a problem much harder to Avoid. His # of Inductees of 10 is an improvement at least. Back to the real world and Present day with the current nominees for 2016.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 12:27pm


Ben,

You know Chicago is my main pet project. I am old enough to understand the impact that they had. I remember the first time I saw them on tv. They were different from anybody else. Chicago should have been a first year eligible induction. Bias and anti Chicago propaganda keeps people from seeing this clearly. Statistical analysis shows that Chicago's records sales vs the small amount that is claimed for influence is a red flag that needs deeper analysis.

I have come across mention a couple of times that Jann Wenner manipulated polls to exclude Chicago. How much of a logic leap is it to consider the possibility that he also manipulated interviews and made sure that artist who mentioned Chicago or its members as an influence was excised from articles.

You also know that I am also somewhat familiar with Country and folk artist. A lot of this is going to tie right back to gender bias and who would women choose versus who would men choose. This ties into Patsy Cline not getting in when first eligible and big of an influence she was for any women after her in the music industry. It also ties into why Joni Mitchell and Carole King are even considered before: Joan Baez, EmmyLou Harris, Judy Collins and Melanie.

Compare Melanie's The Saddest Thing and her other songs to what Joni Mitchell wrote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8eja2tB1Gw

Add in that her vocal style has been copied by Stevie Nicks, Cyndi Lauper and just about every current indie artist.


continuing on with gender bias. If there had been enough women on both the nom com and the voting body, do you really think Black Sabbath and Led Zepplin would have been inducted let alone nominated. And that is not considering that Zep is up to lawsuit #8 and that if you look at lists of of material they stole you could have as many as 20 to 30 songs they do not deserve credit for.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 13:16pm


Chicago will win the 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame poll and they will be inducted. Will Chicago finally get a Rolling Stone Magazine cover story? Will there also be a Rolling Stone Special Collectors Edition on Chicago? If so, should it just be the Chicago logo all over the front cover, staying in theme with all of Chicago's album covers? The Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Beach Boys and the Bee Gees have all been on the cover of Rolling Stone, as well as having been given special collectors edition magazines made just for them.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 15:48pm


From this list, Who do I think will be inducted?

01. Yes
02. Chicago
03. Deep Purple
04. The Spinners

05. The Cars
06. Chaka Khan
07. Steve Miller

Who may be possibly inducted?

Cheap Trick
The J.B's
Los Lobos


Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 18:40pm


Enig,

A little confused about your list. I think Yes, The Cars and Chicago have the best chance. I also think Chaka Khan has a decent chance. I am predicting Half Classic Rock and Half Classic R&B. If not then perhaps Steve Miller can perhaps go in too. I'm not quite as confident in Him.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 18:52pm


ZuZu - Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin not in the Hall of Fame? That is laughably stupid. They defined two different genres and influenced thousands of bands. If anything Black Sabbath should have been nominated and inducted on the first ballot like Led Zeppelin. You need to stop letting YOUR bias get in the way of what acts should be inducted and face the facts. Just because you are old and have your own favorites from that time does not mean you get to dismiss acts YOU do not like. Your ignorant takes and condescending tone on this site is so insulting to everyone else on here. Please go away!

Posted by Go Away ZuZu on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 19:34pm


Ben,

It's so nice to hear from you. With my previous list, I have listed the 2016 inductees, in the order of induction probability. The wild cards are: Cheap Trick, the J.B.'s and Los Lobos.

Thus:

I believe that Yes has the greatest probability of induction followed by Chicago, Deep Purple and The Spinners.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 20:38pm


Can someone else school Zuzu on Led Zeppelin? I have to wrap my head around that post from earlier today. Congrads Donnie on that list; don't let Zuzu's negativity bring you down. It was a good list and of course there's a level of bias when you're the sole decider. I applaud your work there.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 21:43pm


Black Sabbath nominated 8 times before being inducted - really impressive. They didn't really sell in the US during the 70s - just check it out.

Some people really need to educate themselves on the liars, cheats and thieves that Zep were. just google zeppelin stole songs or list of songs led zeppelin ripped off. Jimmy Page blamed Robert Plant for not changing the words enough for getting caught. I have even come across some people saying that Page was stealing songs when he was with the Yardbirds.

So there is a legitimate reason to petition the hall to remove zep and Jimmy Page. It can easily be argued that people were actually influenced by the artist zep stole from. The truth hurts but it still is the truth.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 22:06pm


Phil or should I say Zach. Nick should I say I'm not surprised. Zep was also well know for something else. You guys really need to look things up.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 22:15pm


Zuzu, why take things so personally? Led Zeppelin had been sued before but why should they be removed from the Rock Hall? You know this will NEVER happen. Artists get sued also l don't get your logic there. If that was the case then many artists in the hall and future potential hall of famers would not be considered (hip hop acts immediately comes to mind like Kayne West and Jay Z, who love them or hate them will be in the Rock Hall and probably first ballot Hall of Famers). Also Black Sabbath is highly influential for their contributions to the heavy metal genre. You can dismiss like them but they are a supremely important group. For me I think they were a polarizing act for many voters (which is why it took 8 nominations) because heavy metal/hard rock is a tough sell with the voters. Finally you say that we should all "look things up", then why don't you post links to support your claims? I applaud Bill G for posting helpful links when he writes about classic R&B and soul artists. Maybe you should take that from him.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 22:24pm


Led Zeppelin did heavily borrow from the blue artists like Howling Wolf, Muddy Waters and Willie Dixon. Nobody can deny that, especially in their earliest albums. I'm not denying they didn't incorporate heavily from these artists but it's insane to think that Led Zeppelin should be removed for that reason alone. Yeah they are a little shady with copyrights and what not (Dixon did successfully sue them many years ago after his granddaughter brought that to his attention)?but still if that was the case then many Hall of Famers would be removed by that logic.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 22:44pm


Led Zeppelin did heavily borrow from the blue artists like Howling Wolf, Muddy Waters and Willie Dixon. Nobody can deny that, especially in their earliest albums. I'm not denying they didn't incorporate heavily from these artists but it's insane to think that Led Zeppelin should be removed for illegally obtaining the rights to use those songs. Yes it's terrible to not pay the royalties but many artists get sued for copyrights and misuse of songs without permission.Yeah they are a little shady with copyrights and what not (Dixon did successfully sue them many years ago after his granddaughter brought that to his attention)?but still if that was the case then many Hall of Famers would be removed by that logic.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 22:47pm


Zuzu,

Sorry, I've had nothing to do with this latest mess you've found yourself in. I don't pull passive-aggressive crap like pseudonyms. An IP trace from the admin can tell you that, but you don't need me to tell you that.

Whatever your opinion of Led Zeppelin, they were hugely influential. In fact, for someone who draws the "rock" vs. "not rock" line the way you do, it's astonishing you don't think Led Zeppelin should be in. Put simply, you cannot have a classic rock station without Led Zeppelin. Bar none, the most important, most played act on the classic rock format. More than the Beatles, more than Hendrix, or AC/DC or Dylan or Aerosmith.... it's Led Zeppelin. You're practically cutting off your own legs by being anti-Zep.

As far as for all the crap they've pulled over the years, whether plagiarizing or cruelty to women and mud sharks... well again, look at who all is in the Hall. The Hall is a rogues' gallery, not a den of boy and girl scouts.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 23:05pm


WTF?!?

If there's any redeeming quality to what I just read it's that it's a nice break from hearing people whine about Madonna or Rap for once.

But, still.. WTF?!?

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 23:53pm


Just look under most nominated artist on this site for Black Sabbath.

"GW: When you were borrowing from classic blues songs on the first two albums,
did you ever think it would catch up to you?

Page: You mean getting sued? Well, as far as my end of it goes, I always tried
to bring some thing fresh to anything that I used. I always made sure to
come up with some variation. In fact, I think in most cases, you would
never know what the original source could be. Maybe not in every case
-- but in most cases. So most of the comparisons rest on the lyrics. And
Robert was supposed to change the lyrics, and he didn't always do that
-- which is what brought on most of the grief. They couldn't get us on
the guitar parts of the music, but they nailed us on the lyrics.

We did, however, take some liberties, I must say [laughs]. But never
mind; we did try to do the right thing, it blew up in our faces... When
we were up at Headley Grange recording Physical Graffiti, Ian Stewart
came by and we started to jam. The jam turned into Boogie With Stu, which
was obviously a variation on "Ooh My Head" by the late Ritchie Valens,
which itself was actually a variation of Little Richard's "Ooh My Soul".

'What we tried to do was give Ritchie's mother credit because we heard
she never received any royalties from any of her son's hits, and Robert
did lean on that lyric a bit. So what happens? They tried to sue us for
all of the song!! We had to say bugger off. We could not believe it. So
anyway, if there is any plagiarism, just blame Robert [laughs]."

http://www.iem.ac.ru/zeppelin/docs/interviews/page_93.gw

I said what to google - there is too much to list individually.


Zep did not borrow - they took a song switched a few things up and claimed it as their own original work. There could be as many as 20 - 30 songs that Zep should not be given credit for. Willie Dixon's daughter did not discover the theft until after the statute of limitations had run out. Zep did a digitally remastered album and they were then able to sue.

What they were doing was called rape and that can land you in jail which is where they belonged. This was not being arrested for drugs or swearing on stage. This was something major. The mud shark incident has 2 variations - one where she is willing and one were she isn't. There is also the incident with the 14 year old girl and the incident where Bonham was chasing their employee trying to tear her clothes off. this is past being a rogue.

With the number of songs that have been questioned it brings up the question of did they even write any of their songs. Were they the influence or were the people they stole from the influence.

There are precedents for their removal. Milli Vanilli lost their Grammy for lip-synching. Pete Rose was barred from the Baseball Hall of Fame for gambling on baseball games while manager of the Reds. Then there is Bonds and the asterisk.

I don't think Zep is as much of the foundation of hard rock as they used to be' It seems that their popularity is slipping somewhat and no they are not in any way, shape or form the foundation of classic rock and no they are in no possible way more important than the Beatles. There is classic rock and there is classic rock. What you kids think belongs on classic rock is not the same as those of us who lived through the era think. For the record Aerosmith was not exactly considered one of the top rock bands. Toys in the Attic was considered their only descent album. If it wasn't for Waynes World and Run DMC you kids may never have heard of them.

I wouldn't even listen to a classic rock station. I do not have a high opinion of the music that is played on those stations. I have completely different taste in music. Maybe you should actually read what I write - I do not have a problem with fusion - I do have a problem with artist that did not do any rock and roll or rock in any form or fusion being inducted. I also have a problem with certain areas of rock and rock and roll being over represented while other areas have little to no representation.

What I am bringing up about Zep is facts and has nothing to do with like or dislike. I am disgusted with their behavior and the cavalier attitude that is out there on their behavior. I think you need to start paying a little more attention to the increase in the number of people bringing up what Zep did.

There is no shame or dishonor in covering or building on another's work as long as you pay your respects and pay your dues. Zep did neither and they did it several times so they can't claim a whoopsie on it and they should be called to task for it. They even admitted what they did.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 00:47am


"So there is a legitimate reason to petition the hall to remove zep and Jimmy Page. It can easily be argued that people were actually influenced by the artist zep stole from. The truth hurts but it still is the truth." - Zuzu

I've been an occasional visitor to this site over the years and have seen some pretty agitated, disgruntled, and downright belligerent people who seem to want to take out every frustration over the fact that certain bands they love aren't inducted or certain artists they hate shouldn't even be considered. But I don't think I've ever seen someone so utterly emotionally invested in these proceedings the way you appear to be, Zuzu. It's only some 2nd rate magazine publisher's Hall Of Fame we're talking about here. You or anybody can listen to whatever music you want to listen to for however long you choose. Jann Wenner or anybody else can't stop you. I've only been reading this thread for the last few days but the vehemence of your rhetoric has me concerned. This stuff isn't worth risking your emotional health over. It's not good for your overall well being. Take a break. Take it easy for awhile.

Posted by Arrow Man on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 01:00am


You know I've been poking around this site for awhile but I never put up anything until now. I wasn't sure if I wrote something somebody disagreed with that I wouldn't be swarmed upon by some killer bees. I know what you mean. The concept of a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seems so spectacular but at the end of the day we each have our own halls of fame in our own ipods, cds, personal music collections. Its a nice website but seems a little overkill. We're only talking about music here. Way more things going on in the world to be concerned with.

Posted by Zechariah on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 02:41am


"Its a nice website but seems a little overkill. We're only talking about music here. Way more things going on in the world to be concerned with." - Zechariah

Indubitably. Like I said, I only come by now and then for amusement purposes to watch the lions go at it. They have these projects going on with voting for songs and albums and various rankings of artists and even a mock Hall Of Fame. I'll probably head over and cast a meaningless vote for some songs before I leave. You might want to check them out. It's like fantasy football. Again, it never ceases to amaze me how many people take this stuff so ardently. Quite the cottage industry.

Posted by Arrow Man on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 03:21am


Zuzu

Thanks for writing your posts. The site is a good watering hole discussion for several FRL regulars on music. You bring up some good points about the merit of why some bands are selected and inducted while others like Chicago wait forever. I think many who write here have bands they wish were inducted. Bryan Adams & Scorpions are 2 FAVS of mine.

You have passion for your groups like Chicago and that's a good thing. I think most who post here believe Chicago should have been inducted 5-10 years ago. This ballot shows a positive change in the Nom Com. Excellent ballot!

On Black Sabbath & Led Zeppelin: I think both are deserving of their RRHOF inductions. Many bands of the 60's & 70's were lucky they were not in the social media & Twitter age. You see how today 1 photo or Instagram can cause commotion instantly. The artist then issues some kind of apology or sincerity and then it goes to the next person who does something wild.

I think you bring some value to the site. Hopefully, your Chicago gets inducted and that will be 1 less stressor on you. Goodnight! KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 03:29am


Pete Rose's gambling... as far as I understood it, they didn't have a problem with him betting on games he had nothing to do with, only on games that he was involved with because they felt it gave him an impetus to throw games. He still maintains that he never bet on a game he was a part of.

As far as the crimes of Zep... yes, they are horrible people. I don't think you'll find anyone saying they weren't. But rape, domestic abuse, voyeurism, tax evasion, drug possession, mafia participation, leading police on a high-speed car chase, even murder.... none of these things have kept inductees from getting inducted, and they've never led to anyone being removed. Led Zeppelin was influential. SUPER influential. To deny that is to dismiss a huge, very vocal swath of music out-of-hand, including Heart, who tried to be a "female Led Zeppelin" in a way (Wilsons' words, not mine). I hate Led Zeppelin. My first girlfriend tried to convince me of their awesomeness. She failed. I like maybe one or two songs, but not a fan. I switch stations when I hear "Stairway To Heaven" come on. But they were extremely influential. They were inducted for that, and should have been. They're still horrible people, but while it's a slight stretch to say the Rock Hall rewards bad behavior, it's safe to say that criminal records don't enter the conversation. Drunk driving can get your driving license revoked, but there's no revocation of artistic license.

Instead of belittling what Donnie took the time and obvious careful consideration to do, why not post your own damn version of it? Rewrite the Rock Hall in your image for shits and giggles, like he did. 30 nominees and 10 inductees every year. You're always claiming to know better than us. Put up or shut up.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 08:17am


King,

Thanks for the kind words. I respect that you view it differently but could you see yourself changing your mind about Zep if it came out that all or almost all of their songs was stolen material? What was the source of the influence - the writer or the performer? Think of how differently the nom com handled Zep and Chubby Checker. The Midnighters were inducted and the Twist was on the B side of the record. B sides were commonly referred to as the throw away side because they were not expected to be played on the radio.


Philip,

You really need to read what I write before you comment. What does what I said to Donnie have to do with you anyway?



Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 11:52am


I wasn't expecting a huge, giant debate/argument to arise from my project listing on here, although with Zuzu in our ever presence, I shouldn't have been surprised.

I hadn't posted much since my initial reply, because I've been busy with work, but also because I hadn't really thought much about it. But after kind of reading what everyone had to say about my project from both a positive and critical standpoint, I have some actual thoughts I'd like to share, mostly in defense of myself and my project.

From a literal, technical standpoint, in the end my project was going to be "biased" towards my way of thinking, after all this project was essentially my "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame." My viewpoint on music history, who made an impact, who was worthy of being in. That was the whole freakin' point of the project, lol. ANYONE that did such a project, including the almighty Zuzu (yeah that's sarcasm), would be biased towards their viewpoint.

But taking the literal sense out of the equation, and just speaking in the broad sense of music history, I really don't see how any credible music buff could criticize my Hall of Fame for being "biased." I think my roster of Hall of Fame inductees covers a very broad spectrum of music history from the 1950's to the 1990's (2000's artists obviously weren't eligible as I didn't go past the 2016 inductions). Not to toot my own horn here, but I feel like any credible music historian would look at my roster of inductees and be pretty pleased with how well I covered the majority of artists. If anything, some would criticize it for having too many people. I'm sure fans of more underground/punk/alt-rock music would scoff at me having Boston, Bad Company, and Journey in there. And in turn classic rock fans would look at me and say why are the Buzzcocks, Dead Kennedys, and Bad Brains in there? Well, because you can't accurately tell the story of rock music without including punk rock as well as "classic rock"/arena rock (whatever you want to call it) type of bands. The best of each of those styles/eras should be in there. Compared to the actual real HOF, I think mine did a much better job of covering genres and styles sorely lacking in representation. From heavy metal, to punk and alternative rock, to 70's R&B, to prog rock, even folk and country, my Hall has far more representation for all of those genres than the real one does. Nitpick my Hall all you want, but how in the world can you say it's just as bad as the real one? I do find that insulting honestly.


Two, from a personal taste standpoint, my Hall really isn't nearly as biased as Zuzu made it out to be? There's plenty of artists I inducted whom I actually don't like or care all that much about. Some examples....

The Platters, Clyde McPhatter, Brenda Lee, Joni Mitchell, Roxy Music, Willie Nelson, Joy Division, Tom Waits (I actually can't stand Tom Waits), Iron Maiden, Jeff Beck, Randy Newman, Black Flag, Connie Francis, and Garth Brooks.

All of the above artists, I wouldn't either consider myself to be much of a fan, and some I flat out don't even like at all. But I don't deny their influence on musicians and the history of modern music, and thus they have to be in any credible Hall of Fame. I could put my bias aside and acknowledge them for the great artists they are, even if they're not my cup of tea.


And yet you feel that both Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath, two of the most important bands of all-time shouldn't be in the HOF for personal reasons. You don't like the things the guys in the band did in real life, and thus you don't like them personally, and for that they shouldn't be in the HOF. You want to accuse me of being biased, and yet you want people out of the HOF, because you personally don't like them? That is the very FREAKING' definition of being biased. Get a clue!


All of use here at this site that you like to argue with all of the time have their personal tastes. DarinRG and myself have a lot of differing tastes when it comes to rock music for example. He's far more in punk and underground music, while my tastes tend to lean more mainstream. Bill G. loves 50's, 60's, and 70's R&B. Phillip loves the early years of rock and roll. Roy loves Chicago and Bernie Taupin, lol. We all have our particular favorites and styles we like better than others. The difference between us and you though, is that we're willing to look beyond our particular tastes and look at the general history of rock and roll. Phillip and myself may not care as much for the punk scene like Darin does. But we both acknowledge it, respect it, and appreciate how important it was to rock and overall music history. And thus Phillip and I both wouldn't say Black Flag or the Ramones shouldn't be in the Hall, simply because we don't like them. Because when we're judging stuff like this, we don't just go with our personal tastes and opinions. We go with a broader sense of the entire scene of music.

You, on the other hand, don't at things beyond your personal experience and opinions. From your idea that British bands were not successful in the 70's and were vastly inferior to local, American bands, which has absolutely no validation whatsoever, other than what you and your friends at the time listened to, to your idea that major, iconic bands like Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath shouldn't be in, because you essentially don't like them, and yet, local Chicago based musicians like Steve Goodman belong in the Hall and are among the all time great/legendary artists. Nothing against Steve Goodman, but in the broader sense of music history, he doesn't equal out to one of the soles on Jimmy Page's shoes compared to Led Zeppelin. He may have been a nicer guy, I wouldn't argue against that, but that leads me to another point which makes your statements on here complete crap. You base a lot of your judgments on who were great, legendary, important acts, based on their personal behavior and actions, and thus who are better people. The entire Jackson family and Led Zeppelin seem to be your two big favorite targets, but you've done it to many others as well.

No one is denying that the guys in Led Zeppelin did some pretty bad things in their heyday. The child molestation accusations against Michael Jackson are obviously deplorable (though he was never found guilty, that should be noted). The thing is, 90% of the people presently inducted into the HOF are not perfectly moral, upstanding citizens. 3/4 of them were probably drug addicts at one point. I'm sure a good chunk of the male musicians inducted were probably abusive to women at one point in their lives (look at all four members of the Beatles who have all been accused of cheating on their wives as well as physically attacking them). If you wanted to judge who should be on the HOF based on how nice they were to their fans, how well they treated their fellow man, how many charities they worked for, etc. Well, you might as well eliminate 90% of the Hall presently.


The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is an institution that essentially honors the art that musicians make. It's not about their morals and how they are as human beings. This isn't the Nobel Peace Prize. This is an award for their musical legacy. Simple as that.


So the truth of the matter, Zuzu, is that you can accuse all of us here of being biased all you want, but there is absolutely no on here that is more wrapped up into their own musical mindset, and thus more biased towards music than you are. You base all of your viewpoints on what really happened in music on how it was in Chicago in 1974 or 5 (or whatever year from that time frame you want to choose). Well it's 2015, and there are more places in the world than Chicago. The musical world doesn't center on the city of Chicago and how far the Chicago Cubs go. If anyone here needs to broaden their musical mindset, it's you.

Have a good day.

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 12:19pm


Donnie

That 30 years Hall Of Fame you showed here was quite impressive. I thought it was fair to the artists. I like when you brought back the artists who failed to receive induction into the next cycle. That could be something RRHOF adopts. Definitely, the nominees list should be expanded to 20 or higher number. Your list inducts deserving music artists like Megadeth, Pat Benatar, Moody Blues, Deep Purple etc. Enjoyed the post immensely.

Philip

Major League Baseball has a stricter Hall Of Fame where a player's character and integrity is assessed with his numbers & stats. Voters can deny a player's entry based on these factors. Pete Rose broke one of the Cardinal Rules gambling on baseball. He was placed on the restricted list where voters could not vote on Pete Rose as his name was not placed on the ballot. Pete had a meeting with the new Commissioner Manfred in 2015. The Pete Rose fans & supporters are hoping that Manfred rules in Pete's favor and takes Pete off the restricted list. Then,the voters could vote on Pete Hall Of Fame. Other great players Shoeless Joe Jackson have not been voted in because of the Black Sox 1919 scandal where 8 players decided to throw the 1919 World Series in exchange for cash. Over the years, there has been the question of Jackson's involvement receiving $ but many believe Joe was innocent. Also in the modern steroid PED era, several star MLB players have not been inducted because of suspicions or proof they used performance enhancing drugs. Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mark McGwire come to mind. My view is that I would put all these men into the Hall. Their numbers were amazing with or without these substances. Remember you still have to strike a 99 mph fastball or a bending curve with a round bat. The NFL HOF focuses more on a player's numbers and his greatness in the game. Hope that is some good info.

Maybe, the FRL regulars can discuss and finalize a list of nominees for the 2016-2017 cycle. With the wide swath of music fans on this site, it would be a strong list to be sure. I think Pearl Jam will be the first time nominee and inductee. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 18:17pm


Thank you King for your response.

You definitely bring up some interesting points in the differences between the RNRHOF and MLB HOF.

The Baseball HOF does have more of a moral sense of who they induct then the RNRHOF. That much is very true.

I think the reason for that is because what's expected of a baseball player, football player, etc is different than a musician or artist. It is important for athletes to be upstanding, professional, overall good human beings. Athletes deal in reality and thus what they do in their personal lives really matters to people. Kids probably look up to athletes more than any other type of celebrity (if not any human being period). So I see why the Baseball or any other sports HOF takes a player's overall character into consideration when putting them in the Hall. Professionalism and class behavior is an important quality in what makes a great athlete, so it makes sense.

For the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or any other music HOF for that matter, it doesn't matter nearly as much. These HOF's are dealing with honoring art essentially. A more abstract thing. A musician could be a horrible human being and do bad things, but those actions or behavior have absolutely nothing to do with the art or music that musician makes. Their music and art stands on it's own merits. And if it's of high quality, or important and influential than it should be honored.

Obviously musicians can be role models for people as well, but professionalism and good behavior frankly doesn't matter at all in causing a musician to make good, creative, or original music.

So it really doesn't make any sense for a music HOF to dismiss someone because they were a drug addict, or did crimes, or what not. Whereas for a Sports HOF it does make a lot more sense.


Now for my personal perspective, I'm pretty lenient when it comes to that. I'm the type of person that when I'm judging someone for their career (be it sports, music, art, teaching, whatever), I can take someone and what they do in their personal life aside, and judge them solely for their work. If a co-worker of mine is an asshole, but is good at their job, I'll work with them. But obviously there's some exceptions.


Murdering people is definitely a type of crime I can't look past when it comes to honoring more realistic things, such as sports or jobs that deal in reality. Police officers that kill people in cold blood, don't get a "ehhhhh whatever" judgment from me. I look very down on that. Police officers that kill people in cold blood, are horrible at their job and should be fired, let alone spend time in prison like anyone else. If an athlete murders someone, then yeah they shouldn't be in a HOF. OJ Simpson is an interesting case, because more than likely he did the crime, but he was never found guilty, so I'm borderline on whether he should be out or in. A good, personal example for me in that regards would be for the WWE Hall of Fame, regarding Chris Benoit. Chris Benoit was one of the greatest pro wrestlers of the 1990's and 2000's and should be in any credible wrestling HOF, for his career. But in 2007 he killed his wife and son, and then himself in a murder/suicide. He forever ruined his legacy as an athlete and entertainer, and now now one will ever be able to look at his career solely on those merits. Yeah, pro wrestling is scripted, but it's still an athletic form of entertainment, and the wrestlers off the show are real people and they matter to fans. Much like athletes in the NBA, NFL, MLB, etc. And thus what Chris Benoit did in his final days, definitely rules out any chance of him being honored in any wrestling HOF, especially the WWE one (who wouldn't want the train wreck of a negative publicity it would ultimately get for doing such a thing).


I'm borderline when it comes to a music HOF, because like I stated earlier, it's much easier for me to dismiss how a musician is as a human being in comparison to their music career. But doing something like Chris Benoit did is so extremely bad, I would even be tempted to say "take this person out of the HOF, or never even consider them." If Bruce Springsteen or Ozzy Osbourne did something horrible like that, it would be very tempting to take them out, but ultimately it wouldn't matter as much, because their music career is far more separated from that do in real life, compared to an athlete.


But murder is probably the only thing I would take a musician out of the HOF for. Anything else (rape or child molestation come close as well), I'd say doesn't pertain to their overall musical legacy. As for athletes, it matters a little more.

As far as Pete Rose goes, induct him, lol. That was 20 years ago, let it go, lol.

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 20:22pm


KING, thanks for setting me straight. I stand corrected.

Donnie, boom baby.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 21:01pm


Philip & Donnie
Great posts this week. I'm really hoping Deep Purple and The Spinners can be inducted. Listening to Deep Purple songs and they had a strong catalogue of songs. I like Burn, Highway Star, and Space Truckin' as my favorites. Too bad RRHOF Committee didn't nominate Duran Duran this cycle. It will be another year of Enig & my posts for Duran Duran. This is a strong ballot of nominees. Hoping Moody Blues for next year. That's cool when a few RRHOF voters take a picture of their induction selections. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 21:54pm


There is a convicted murderer in the RRHoF: Phil Spector. I think everybody would agree that he is a musical genius, but also among the most horrible persons in the Rock Hall. Do you think he should be kicked out the hall?

Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 01:42am


Donnie,

I too liked your 30 Years of the Hall of Fame. I stayed away a day due to the controversy. It looks like rather than fading it exploded. I saw what happened. I have enough stress in my Family life. I come to this site relieve stress not get more. Things seem to be calming down a little.

I think Your list had variety just like the real Hall. It was impressive. You included artists that you may not be into too much yourself. It was an impressive project. Hey I think You put the Moody Blues in back 1993. Deep Purple and Chicago went in much faster. After all none of those 3 have gone in yet as of this writing. I don't remember lots of your project but it was fine.

I criticized it in a small way for having a 50s artist like the Moonglows so much later on. Hey nobody's perfect and it's Your list. I would have to scroll up to look. It was a great project to pass the time. We are after all still weeks away from the real announcement of the real 2016 Inductees. We were in a lull here on the site recently.

I am very diverse. I am sure you have my favorite band the Who in your Hall pretty early. I do love the Who. All my friends know I love the Who. I am very diverse. Whether it be Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Steely Dan, Bruce Springsteen, Aerosmith, Chicago, Gordon Lightfoot Journey. I simply love Music. I lean to Rock true but also like Stevie Wonder, Earth, Wind & Fire a few Curtis Mayfield tunes and people like Harold Melvyn & the Bluenotes.

Now if I had done your project I would also have include the Clash, Ramones & Buzzcocks. I am not big on Punk Rock much but it should be in the Hall due to its impact. You can't tell the story of Rock without including Punk Rock as well as Classic Rock. Arena Rock. Hey you included prog far better than the real Hall. That's cool by me and Enig can appreciate that.

Ok back to the real world of the Real Rock Hall of Fame. This project was fun despite all the controversy. We will move on.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 05:35am


To answer The Claw's question, that's really tough decision to make.

Phil was inducted in I believe 1989 (maybe 1990), so he was inducted almost 15 years before he killed that woman and about 20 years before he went to jail.

He certainly tainted his legacy and he will more than likely be blacklisted from any further awards or anything like that.

However he was already honored long before the crime took place, so most likely it won't happen.

As for do I think he should be taken out. Like I said, it's a tough call, but ultimately, I'm gonna go with a no. He's too huge a part of music history to be taken out, and again his art, was essentially being honored, not so much him as a human being. Even before the crime, there had been plenty of negative stories about Phil Spector's personality, how he treated people, and his personal behavior. He once pulled a gun on the members of the Ramones. Imagine if he had killed that entire band? He treated his wife Ronnie Spector horribly during their marriage (probably no different from Ike Turner), and he was the main reason that the Ronettes never got a nomination let alone induction for so many years. It wasn't until he was taken off the Committee, that the Ronettes broke through and got inducted within a few years of finally being considered.

So while he never murdered anyone, he engaged in plenty of other deplorable behavior. But even so, his music was among the greatest ever made, and his impact and influence on rock and roll was huge. And thus he was rightly inducted.


That's the tricky thing about this. When it comes to music, real life is far more separated from the art. The main goal of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (or what it should be) is to tell an accurate story of what the history of rock and roll and modern popular music is, and you can't tell it without Phil Spector and the "Wall of Sound." So he had to be inducted, and should probably remain inducted.


If he was an NFL HOF running back though, yeah, I say kick him out.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 07:16am


When I stated in the middle of my above post that "while he never murdered anyone" I meant before he was honored by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

I really wish the FRL site would give us an edit option, so we could go back and edit our posts.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 07:19am


Want to also state for record that Pete Rose & the steroid cheats should never be in baseball HOF.

Pete broke the only rule that is posted over door of every clubhouse (many, many times). He also gave inside info to gamblers & mob guys. When Pete laid off betting the Reds, that meant he thought there was a good chance they were going to lose. Also, if elected to HOF, he would be able to work in baseball again & there's no way that guy should be around young players.

The steroid cheats repeatedly broke basic rules to get big contracts. They got their contracts, they should never get the Hall.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 07:29am


Donnie, for what it's worth, I liked your project a great deal and take it for what I think you intended: a fun exercise to show the folly only inducting five artists for many years.

This raises the question of convicted killers in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. We also potentially have Little Willie John (technically, for manslaughter), probably Sid Vicious, and if you accept Ben Cramer's journalism, Jerry Lee Lewis.

Oops. I came here to assuage a thread that's out of control, not add fuel to the fire. I'm going to shut up now.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 07:55am


Based on that Troy Smith article on FRL’s Twitter feed, if N.W.A., let alone LL Cool J and Afrika Bambaataa, are having a tough time getting inducted in the Rock Hall, then what the hell are Bone Thugs-N-Harmony’s chance? Zero to none.

Posted by Nick on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 15:41pm


Based on that Troy Smith article on FRL’s Twitter feed, if N.W.A., let alone LL Cool J and Afrika Bambaataa, are having a tough time getting inducted in the Rock Hall, then what the hell are Bone Thugs-N-Harmony’s chances? Zero to none.

Posted by Nick on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 15:42pm


Donnie,

I scrolled up. You had the Who inducted on time in 1990 in your Dream Rock Hall. The Who are my favorite group. I love the Who in every way. The greatness of Pete Townsend, Roger Daltrey John the Ox Entwistle and Keith Moon. The original Who. Kenny Jones and Zack Starkey are fine too.
I haven't talked about the Who much because they are already inducted and long time ago in fact. I own everything by the Who. I'm just missing some Live releases. I own all their original albums. OK I have stated my Fav band ever.

As for the other in your 1990 inductees. I agree with the Kinks, Simon & Garfunkel and Isley Brothers. I don't really agree with Cubby Checker. Again though I have lack of knowledge in the Early Rock n Roll era. Patsy Cline is fine. One from the era that's deserving. It has homage to earlier while including The Who and the Kinks that came out in the 60s.

Another key fav of mine Neil Young is inducted a year early in 1994. That is interesting. I love Neil. I felt Neil was prompt for induction in 95. You have the Moody Blues inducted in 1994 along with Neil and Elton John. That's very fine. You have Crosby Stills & Nash in 95 at the same time as Allman and Led Zep and you also have Brenda Lee. I know very little about her. Again homage to the earlier era. The prob I had with Brenda Lee was that she was not inducted until 2002! The Hall should have been mostly done with that era by then. That was due to the more limited #of inductees. Which was 7 or so at that time.

Your project solves that Problem for sure. You go through 70s ones like Fleetwood Mac, Billy Joel, Chicago Steely Dan Yes and many many others. So your 2016 class is then a lot more modern. You have Alice in Chains, Garth Brooks Sade & Smashing Pumpkins. I only like Garth & Sade in that bunch but that don't matter. In your project things are caught up Mostly on 60s and 70s so Sonny & Cher are inducted in 2016. MAkes sense.

It is unfortunate that this is only a Dream project. It's now time for reality. The Hall has its bias & politics and the HAll has to catch up. It's back to chatting on the Real Hall and the real 2016.








































































































Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11.24.15 @ 07:25am


Thank you Ben for the comments.

Yes, I had the Who inducted as first ballot. To me other than the Stones and the Beatles, they're the greatest rock band of all-time, so of course they're gonna go in on first ballot.

As far as Chubby Checker goes, a lot of serious music critics agree that Chubby Checker isn't worthy of the Hall and doesn't have a lot of credibility as an artist. I think he's kind of viewed by some as one of the earliest "flashes in the pan" type artists (not a one hit wonder obviously as he had tons of hits from 1960-1964). But the truth of the matters is that in the year between the first wave of rock and roll icons in the 50's, up to the British Invasion and the explosion of Motown in the mid 60's, Chubby Checker was one of the leading figures in the rock and roll scene with his dance hits, including the immortal "The Twist." He had a lot of hits and was a key part of the rock and roll scene in that time. He's definitely one of the most glaring omissions from that period of time, IMO. I ended up inducting him in 1990, because obviously I wasn't going to put him in ahead of Elvis, Chuck Berry, Ray Charles, Buddy Holly, etc. But by 1990's, the huge iconic first wave 50's acts had mostly been inducted, so it was time to move to the early 60's (as well as the newly eligible British Invasion acts), so that's where Chubby went in.

Neil Young is an interesting case, as either the Hall got it wrong, or FRL got it wrong. Neil Young is cited as an artist that was inducted in his first year of eligibility, but in actuality, he was inducted in his second year of eligibility. He was inducted in the 1995 class, which would've meant his first recording (as a solo act) was released in 1969, but that's actually not true. His first album (which was his first solo recording) was released in 1968. So he was actually first eligible for the 1994 class, and thus I inducted him then.


And everything you pointed was exactly what I was trying to do. By the 2010's, I was still inducting 60's and 70's acts for sure, but these acts were more of the third tier acts of the era. All the headlining acts from the 60's and 70's were inducted in good time (usually no more than 5-6 years after first being eligible), so that way the Hall could keep moving forward. The 2010's classes were more focused on 80's and 90's acts, which was exactly the way I intended it to be, and the way it should've been in real life. By now all of the big time 60's acts should've been inducted, as well as the majority of the big time 70's acts, which the Hall in real life has failed miserably at. My project was designed to do it right compared to the real Hall, so that's exactly what I did.

90's acts at this point shouldn't have to wait, because there's still so many 80's, 70's and 60's acts in the way.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 11.24.15 @ 10:09am


Donnie,

I am an all time Fan of Neil Young but I didn't remember the release date of his 1st Solo album correctly. I stand corrected. It was released Nov 1968. Those at the Hall were then incorrect too. I actually was wrong. I thought it was Jan 1969. I don't know it as well as Everybody Knows this is Nowhere and the other early ones. I own some odd Neil albums. So you were right and had the right idea.

The main idea is that all the prime 60s and 70s acts are inducted in Good time. So by 2016 it's possible for Sonny & Cher to be inducted. Alice in Chains & Smashing Pumpkins at the same time as Sonny & Cher. This is impossible due to the issues the real Hall brought on. Your Hall did it right. Good project. Now back to the real Hall and real World.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11.24.15 @ 12:50pm


So to move on. As far as the true Nominees for 2016. I don't think it will be all Classic Rock as I've said. So the Classic Rock with the most chance I think is the Cars, Chicago and Yes. Deep Purple and Steve Miller would have a good chance but there is the R&B to consider. The Hall is insisting year after year on Chic. They aren't the best choice in the first place but they insist on recognizing the influence of its members.

I actually own an album produced by one of the members. The Power Station. Janet Jackson is a superstar who is so popular still. I am certainly not a fan. And there is Chaka Khan. She is the most talented in the R&B bunch this year. She could falter for sure and that would free up a spot for Steve Miller I think. I'm staying with Chaka Khan because the Hall is known for picks that don't seem as popular as others.

I certainly don't think they would go as far as the JBs. It's not the first pick on the minds of the Voters except for maybe some of the writers.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11.25.15 @ 04:24am


From this list of 2015 nominees, Who do I think will be inducted?

01. Yes
02. Chicago
03. Deep Purple
04. The Spinners
05. The Cars
06. Chaka Khan
07. Steve Miller

Who may also, be possibly inducted?

Cheap Trick
The J.B's
Los Lobos

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 11.26.15 @ 12:20pm


To think that Yes, Chicago, The Cars, Steve Miller and The Cars will all be inducted is downright hysteria.

Posted by Marissa on Thursday, 11.26.15 @ 22:58pm


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01. Chicago 23.42% (37618952 votes)
02. Yes 16.19% (25995173 votes)
03. The Cars 16.15% (25939876 votes)
04. Deep Purple 15.88% (25510947 votes)
05. Steve Miller 15.87% (25489153 votes)
06. Janet Jackson 5.89% (9452137 votes)
07. Cheap Trick 1.43% (2298486 votes)
08. The Spinners 1.28% (2055293 votes)
09. Chaka Khan 1.15% (1850931 votes)
10. Chic 0.84% (1342416 votes)
11. The J.B.'s 0.59% (946181 votes)
12. N.W.A 0.42% (667846 votes)
13. Nine Inch Nails 0.35% (555911 votes)
14. The Smiths 0.30% (484017 votes)
15. Los Lobos 0.25% (398817 votes)

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.1.15 @ 05:40am


I'M STILL STICKING WITH MY FINAL PREDICTION

THE 2016 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. Chicago
02. Deep Purple
03. Los Lobos
04. The Spinners
05. Steve Miller
06. Janet Jackson

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.1.15 @ 07:53am


Roy,

That's a good list. I have a list that is a bit different. However, Yours is fine. I have predicted Chicago and Janet Jackson in actuality. I don't actually care for Janet but to be fair I think she would be in this Class. I love Deep Purple and Steve Miller on the other hand but I think they may fall short on the Votes a little this year. Steve Miller has some good possibility. I have talked at work many times about Deep Purple in the Hall. We felt it would be awhile which is bad thing due to a lack of support. Great support from fellow Hard Rock inductees but not enough from others. I do think eventually. Our joke at work was Deep Purple would be inducted in 2026! Good list though

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.1.15 @ 17:19pm


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Jackson_discography#Singles

Have you guys ever looked at Janet Jackson's sales numbers,Worldwide Gold and Platinum Record Awards and chart stats ? (click on the above link) . She has a HUGE cross section of fans... all over the PLANET !! Plus , she is a multi-media star...of movies, television, and records...while most of the Classic Rock nominees are icons only to fans of Classic Rock .
NO WAY is she not getting in. Deal with it !!

I personally wish that the Spinners would get in instead of N.W.A. But , because the HoF is so political, coupled with the fact that they just had a successful movie...they will probably get in instead.
I hope that The Marvelous Marvelettes appear on the ballot again next year. They and The Spinners have been around longer than any of the other acts here...and both deserve induction...as do Mary Wells,The Commodores, Dionne Warwick, The Pointer Sisters,Jr Walker & The All-Stars, and Patti LaBelle & The BlueBelles/LaBelle.

Bobby Byrd just might get that second induction with The J.B's in the "Musical Excellence" category. First with the Famous Flames, and again with the J.B's. It would be fitting, since he discovered BOTH groups...and James Brown too !!
Wouldn't it be funny if Bobby was inducted TWICE...while James was only inducted ONCE ??
It would be Poetic JUSTICE for all of the millions of dollars that he STOLE from his singing partners in The FAMOUS FLAMES (not to mention his bandmembers as well) !!!














Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 12.1.15 @ 17:53pm


Roy,

I will also add that I like the Spinners a bit but I think the Hall will hold off and go with a lesser act like Chic and also Chaka Khan. Now Los Lobos sounds ridiculous but it is more possible than some might think. I didn't go so far as predicting them but I see the point. Left field stuff has often been Inducted. I'll call them a back up for mine. Perhaps Los Lobos instead of Chaka Khan. People like Dr John and Laura Nyro have been inducted in recent years.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.1.15 @ 17:54pm


I am going out on a limb somewhat and predicting who will be the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees for 2016. First, I think The J.B.'s will be inducted in the Award for Musical Excellence category. Our inducting The J.B.'s into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project two months ago has precipitated the eventual induction to come. Now, here is who I think will be inducted in the Performers category.

Janet Jackson
N.W.A
Yes
Chic
Nine Inch Nails

There will likely be a sixth inductee. I am pretty sure it will be Chicago, considering the near certainty of Chicago winning the fan ballot. I say that knowing that the fan ballot was rigged in favor of a select few classic rock artists. None the less, it will be rather difficult to ignore Chicago at this time.

I also anticipate a seventh inductee in the Performers category. Should it go to 7, I believe Deep Purple will be selected. There will need to be certain matters to attend to should Deep Purple get inducted. Suffice to say, who shows up and who does not for the ceremony is going to be rather important.

Obviously, any one person's ballot can only have up to 5 artists for a ballot to be turned over. So I reiterate that the 5 virtual locks for induction this year are Janet Jackson, N.W.A., Yes, Chic and Nine Inch Nails. This to me seems the most varied and interesting induction class to be announced in a week or so. So for all thinking this will be a classic rock induction, think again. Yes will go in, yet I doubt others of that field of rock music will go in should there only be 5 inductees. I do think it will be 7, yet it is not a given.

Happy Decemberween month!,

Lax32

Posted by Lax32 on Tuesday, 12.1.15 @ 22:29pm


Lax32,

I agree with you On Janet Jackson. I'm not a fan but I face the facts. We basically agree on Chicago since I believe there will be 6. And of course there is Yes we agree on. Also we agree on Chic because like it or not they have insisted on this choice for years. The only 2 we don't agree on is N.W.A. and Nine Inch Nails. I think both these will be beat out by Classic acts. However Not just Classic Rock. I am predicting The Cars and Chaka Khan. So not just Classic Rock. We agree to some extent on our lists

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12.3.15 @ 14:14pm


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Chicago 23.42% (37641922 votes)
Yes 16.19% (26031349 votes)
The Cars 16.15% (25956187 votes)
Deep Purple 15.88% (25526814 votes)
Steve Miller 15.86% (25498292 votes)
Janet Jackson 5.88% (9455063 votes)
Cheap Trick 1.44% (2317225 votes)
The Spinners 1.28% (2059881 votes)
Chaka Khan 1.15% (1853514 votes)
Chic 0.84% (1344282 votes)
The J.B.'s 0.59% (947512 votes)
N.W.A 0.42% (669669 votes)
Nine Inch Nails 0.35% (560289 votes)
The Smiths 0.30% (487064 votes)
Los Lobos 0.25% (401696 votes)

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.6.15 @ 06:39am


Well Would you look at that. The Top 3 for the Rock Hall Fan Vote are the 3 Classic Rock acts I predict. Unfortunately I know the deal with the Fan Vote. Each act only gets just one Vote I recall. It may serve as a pattern for the Regular Voters.

The R&B acts I chose are lower. Janet Jackson is rather High. I think Chic could still be inducted. They are higher than in the Past. Results worth Knowing I would say.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12.6.15 @ 15:56pm


"It may serve as a pattern for the Regular Voters."

Except the regular voters won't be able to use bots to spam the vote.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.6.15 @ 17:30pm


DarinRG,

Good point about spamming the Vote. You reminded me of that. I am predicting the Cars, Chicago and Yes as the 3 Classic Rockers regardless. I based my predictions On Regular Voters. It doesn't matter about the Fan Vote really. My predictions aren't based on Any Fan Votes. I was thinking of a pattern but it doesn't matter. I think those 3 will be strongest with the regular Voters.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12.6.15 @ 18:23pm


I'll just finalize my predictions right now:

I'll play a risk here: I'm predicting one of either Janet Jackson or N.W.A get in, but not both. Alternatively, I'm losing the ability to see Los Lobos not getting in. Ergo, I'll settle with:

1. Chicago
2. Deep Purple
3. Yes
4. Los Lobos
5. N.W.A
-6. Nine Inch Nails-

Posted by SotN on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 00:41am


Here’s my final predictions for the 2016 Rock Hall Ceremony:

1. Chic
2. Chicago
3. Janet Jackson
4. N.W.A.
5. Steve Miller
6. Yes

Dark Horses: Cheap Trick, Deep Purple. and Nine Inch Nails

On a side note, I’d be happy with ANY of the 15 nominees inducted this year. This was a slacked ballot to say the least. In fact, I’m gonna go out on a limp and guess there will be 7 inductees in the performer category this year. If they is a 7th inductee, I’d choose Nine Inch Nails.

Here’s my reasoning:

1. Chic: They have been nominated TEN times. It’s about time the Rock Hall puts them in. They are one of, if not the, best disco groups of the 1970s. They will simply get the Solomon Burke treatment: 10 nominations equals guaranteed induction. Plus Nile Rodgers should already be in the Rock Hall at this point.

2. Chicago: Populist choice and arguably one of the most popular rock bands from the 1970s. Although they had a ton of hit singles and albums, Chicago was never a critic’s favorite. i strongly like Chicago’s work and feel this induction is long overdue. Let’s hope Catera agrees to perform with Chicago one last time and that would surely be a great Rock Hall moment.

3. Janet Jackson: She will be the headliner for the ceremony that HBO desperately wants for the televised broadcast. Without question, the most famous name on the ballot and has a string of classic top 40 singles. Besides Madonna, she is probably the best-selling and most influential female pop star of the last 30 years. A powerhouse of a performer, Jackson will be inducted this year as the female choice.

4. N.W.A.: They will be the 5th-ever Hip-Hop/Rap act inducted to the Rock Hall, it’s a matter of when than if at this point. Clearly the Rock Hall wants N.W.A. inducted (they’ve been nominated every year since their eligibility back in 2013). With the recent success of the biopic Straight Outta Compton, this could not be a more perfect year for the pioneering gangsta rappers. I’m betting that Kayne West or Jay-Z i(or both) inducts N.W.A.

5. Steve Miller: This is more of a hunch than anything else. Miller has many recognizable hit singles and appears to be a non-threatening act (no controversies, this is why I don’t believe Deep Purple will be inducted this year). What helps Miller is that there are two phases to his music career: his early blues period in San Francisco music scene of the late 1960s and his eventual crossover to more traditional top 40 rock music in the 1970s. The Rock Hall loves any artist associated with the Blues and that’s a major plus for Miller. Sure he might not be the most influential performer on the ballot but Miller has the populist edge over his classic rock counterparts. Miller will squeak in this year’s class fighting alongside other deserving classic rock bands like Cheap Trick, Deep Purple and The Cars. If Miller doesn’t get inducted, I bet one of hte other three will get inducted here, most likely Cheap Trick (who I’m hoping gets inducted).

6. Yes: If it’s true that Yes was about 20 or so votes short of induction 2 years ago, it’s safe to bet they have a great chance of induction this year. With the recent passing of Chris Squire, a possible reunion with Jon Anderson is plausible and, like Chicago, would make a great Rock Hall moment. They are one of the best progressive rock acts and someone who I feel is long overdue for induction. Have Geddy Lee or Roger Water induct Yes.

For the Dark Horses, I’m going with Nine Inch Nails, Cheap Trick and Deep Purple (Sorry, I can’t choose Los Lobos despite their underrated and great music because they were dead-last in the fan ballot this year and that doesn’t bode well for them. Plus they seem more like a critic’s band and most voters will only know them for their version of “La Bamba.” I really like Los Lobos but I’m being realistic given this is a very slacked ballot this year).

1. Cheap Trick: I really like Cheap Trick and I think they have a better chance that most people are giving them credit for. If the likes of Dave Marsh and members of Aerosmith and Red Hot Chili Peppers are actively supporting you in public, Cheap Trick must be doing something right. I’m not sure if they’ll make it on their first appearance but they have a lot of momentum behind them. Plus it helps that Cheap Trick is one of the best live bands of all time and they have a very underrated discography. They are the underdogs from this year’s ballot and might sneak in.

2. Deep Purple: They are without question the biggest Rock Hall snub, bared none. However, what hurts Deep Purple’s chances is that most voters only know them for “Smoke on the Water” and that’s it. Of course they are not a one-hit wonder band but I’m sure that’s in the mindset of many voters. Also the Rock Hall really doesn’t want another PR nightmare on their hands and a Deep Purple induction would likely indicate that.

3. Nine Inch Nails: The only 90s rock act on this year’s ballot and that helps them a lot. Although I love Trent Reznor and strongly believe he should have been inducted last year, I think he is a tough sell for many general voters. You either love NIN or hate them, there’s really no middle ground. With the Rock Hall’s push for more contemporary artists, look no further than NIN (even if some voters might have their reservations).

Posted by Nick on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 01:38am


Since we're about one or two weeks left before the Hall announces the 2016 inductees, here is my prediction:

*Chicago
*Deep Purple
*Janet Jackson
*Los Lobos
*N.W.A
*The Spinners

Alternatives (might replace one or two from above):

*Cheap Trick
*Chic
*Nine Inch Nails
*Yes

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 01:58am


I think this was an outstanding ballot by the Committee. My 2015 Nominees and 2016 Inductees will be: 1.Chicago 2.Deep Purple 3.Janet Jackson 4.Nine Inch Nails 5.Steve Miller 6.The Spinners. This should be a strong induction class with a mix of younger & older artists. Chic & YES could sneak a spot. One of the posters Nick made a good point on the Hall's love for these blues artists. Steve Miller might benefit from that. Like many of the FRL regulars, I would not be surprised at any particular 5 or 6 group list considering the brilliance of the ballot. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 03:39am


I do agree. This was a great ballot for the Committee. I'm going to repost my list of predictions for the 2016 Inductees.

The Cars
Chic
Chicago
Janet Jackson
Chaka Khan
Yes

The only thing I'll add is that there could be a 7th artist. This is due to the brilliance of this Ballot. The Hall may feel the need to Induct an extra artist. I predict Steve Miller if there is a 7th. As I've said many times about my 2016 list. I am not going with All Classic Rock. I surely love my Classic Rock but the Hall has never done anything like that. Half Classic Rock and Half Classic R&B is a more realistic way to go. This wouldn't create a mix of younger and older artists but it would satisfy the great need to catch up on Older artists. I'm going with a Strong Induction class of older Rock and R&B artists. I agree with you King about the Hall's love for the blues and that Steve Miller might benefit from that. The other 6 are my priority but he could be a 7th inductee.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 04:43am


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Chicago 23.42% (37645579 votes)
Yes 16.19% (26036257 votes)
The Cars 16.15% (25959101 votes)
Deep Purple 15.88% (25529630 votes)
Steve Miller 15.86% (25499692 votes)
Janet Jackson 5.88% (9455804 votes)
Cheap Trick 1.44% (2321096 votes)
The Spinners 1.28% (2060596 votes)
Chaka Khan 1.15% (1853961 votes)
Chic 0.84% (1344595 votes)
The J.B.'s 0.59% (947811 votes)
N.W.A 0.42% (669961 votes)
Nine Inch Nails 0.35% (560781 votes)
The Smiths 0.30% (487423 votes)
Los Lobos 0.25% (402182 votes)

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 06:13am


First of all I am not drinking the Kool-Aid. From this list, Who do I think will be inducted?

01. Yes
02. Chicago
03. Deep Purple
04. The Spinners
05. The Cars
06. Chaka Khan
07. Steve Miller

Who may be possibly inducted?

Cheap Trick?
The J.B's (as an early influence)
Los Lobos?

The headliner will be Chicago, or Yes.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 09:31am



About the 2016 Nominees, Enigmaticus wrote:
First of all I am not drinking the Kool-Aid. From this list, Who do I think will be inducted?

01. Yes
02. Chicago
03. Deep Purple
04. The Spinners
05. The Cars
06. Chaka Khan
07. Steve Miller

Who may also possibly be inducted?

Cheap Trick?
The J.B's (as an early influence)
Los Lobos?

The headliner will be either Chicago, Deep Purple, or Yes.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 09:34am


About the 2016 Nominees, Enigmaticus wrote:

The J.B's (as an early influence)

Monday, 12.7.15 @ 09:31am

The J.B.'s are not early influence. They are musical excellence. There is nothing early about Bobby Byrd and Bootsy Collins.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 10:53am


Enigmaticus

Hope your bands and favorites are an inducted this year. I had to make a tough cut YES replaced with Nine Inch Nails. I think NIN doesn't have much competition in their era and might get the nod. We have several similar inductees Chicago, Deep Purple, The Spinners, Steve Miller. YES is having a tough time getting inducted. They might shoehorn Chic into the Hall somehow. I think 10 nominations should equal an induction. Hoping Duran Duran can earn a nomination for 2016-2017 cycle. As you say, DD deserves immediate induction into the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame. Working on my 2016-2017 RRHOF list with 3 spots left open for those groups who fall short of induction 2016. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 20:16pm


It's humorous when a person gets so blinded for the frees so to speak. Janet's induction bodes very well for a DD nomination. Unbeknownst to me - they've been monitoring and asking for best practices for over a year or so. If Janet doesn't happen to get in, she';; likely receive another nod since Unbreakable and the sold out World Tour are booked well through October. Bottom line - if that happens, #InductJanet ratchets up. And your fellows Duran Duran or Sade may continue to sit out. Just some friendly food for though.

You may not enjoy Janet"s music, but her creative outputs, cultural impact and ranked as the 7th highest charting Billboard H0t 100 artist of ALL TIME. Oh again on this record, she wrote or co-wrote the entire project.

Oh - go listen to Unbreakable. You may still not technically enjoy the music, but the album that she delivered is another commercial and critical success. The lyrics are still eerily reminiscent to the powerful Rhythm Nation 1814 album (1989).

A brand new movement - that started with a conversation in a cafe. It's ALL ABOUT LOVE!

In if you choose to respond - please leave SuperBowl out of it and charges brought on about her brother. *Not HER, by the way)

Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 00:59am


King,


I am so surprised you made that Tough cut of Yes. I know you aren't into Prog as much as Enig, Neither am I. I do love Yes and I do think they will be Inducted. Not just based on my Love for sure. Chris Squire passed away and Yes have been respected by musicians for Years. They only fell a little short when they were last Nominated.

You replaced Yes with Nine Inch Nails. I would have chosen Nine Inch Nails but as I've said there's too many Classic Choices of all kinds this Year. So I retain Yes for sure. We agree on Chicago and Chic. I agree they Might shoe in Chic into the Hall somehow. I would say there's a reason for 10 nominations. A clear case of a prediction I don't Care for at all. The same thing with Janet Jackson. I am not a fan at all but she is very Popular and can easily get Votes. The Hall does that. They choose super popular artists as well as Lesser known Cult heroes. Sometimes Critical appeal without popularity is the strength and other times it's Popularity as with Janet.

Perhaps Duran Duran next year. I am not talking about that Now at all. I'm focusing on the 2016 Induction.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 06:05am


Any chance this will be an all-american induction ceremony?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 07:35am


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Chicago 23.41% (37651061 votes)
Yes 16.20% (26044109 votes)
The Cars 16.15% (25962372 votes)
Deep Purple 15.88% (25532609 votes)
Steve Miller 15.86% (25501601 votes)
Janet Jackson 5.88% (9457025 votes)
Cheap Trick 1.45% (2325611 votes)
The Spinners 1.28% (2061576 votes)
Chaka Khan 1.15% (1854694 votes)
Chic 0.84% (1345102 votes)
The J.B.'s 0.59% (948214 votes)
N.W.A 0.42% (670542 votes)
Nine Inch Nails 0.35% (561595 votes)
The Smiths 0.30% (488150 votes)
Los Lobos 0.25% (402947 votes)

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 07:48am


The 2016 Rock Hall Poll closes tomorrow!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 07:53am


Thank you Roy,

I had actually meant that the J.B.'s might receive the "musical excellence" award instead.

Who else might be inducted?

Bernie Taupin as a songwriter.
Nile Rodgers and Brian Eno may receive the Ahmet Ertegun award.

So, here are my final predictions:

1. Yes
2. Chicago
3. Deep Purple
4. The Spinners
5. Chaka Khan
6. Steve Miller Band?
7. The Cars
8. The J.B.'s (musical excellence award)

Opener: Chaka Khan
Headliner: Any of the three aforementioned progressive rock bands: Yes, Chicago (with Peter Cetera), or Deep Purple (with David Coverdale and Ritchie Blackmore).

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 08:53am


Thank you KING

As I had said before, progressive rock artists will support other progressive rock artists. I think that Duran Duran's induction chances went up exponentially this year. John Taylor's admission that Duran Duran has always been a prog band did not go unnoticed. So why haven't they been inducted, yet?

Well, the Same year that Rush had received their nomination, Duran Duran had also received a great deal of buzz in the Bay area. They had won a poll of bands most worthy of induction. For Rush, the release of "Clockwork Angels" and Duran Duran's "A Diamond In The Mind" had helped immensely. This year, "Paper Gods" has received a great deal of attention, plus there are also numerous interviews, appearances on Jimmy Kimmel, et cetera. I have no doubt that the members of Rush will support the inductions of Duran Duran, The Moody Blues and E.L.O. in 2017.

Duran Duran's continued popularity for over 35 years has now started to reach critical mass. Rush had reached that point in 2012.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 09:45am


Enigmaticus: I remember reading that Chris Squire wanted Rush to induct him (and Yes by default) into the Hall of Fame, and assuming a reunion, Rush may jam on stage with them. I'd have to imagine how something like that would sound.

As for me personally, staggering the prog acts over time is likely the best approach: going by your posts (and considering a recent interview), Rush is more than happy to support acts in that field. That support would still remain even if Duran Duran, the Moody Blues, and E.L.O. went in one-a-year. This way, the voting block doesn't get tired and would easily be able to cut down on the backlog without costing another genre.

Personally, I get the feeling E.L.O. is next: Lynne's pretty well respected, both on the radio and in industry. Going by your post, Rush would be just three (assuming no member between now and then dies) of several votes they'd get, because they have across the board appeal (the old guard would likely have no issue voting for them). Finally, selling an HBO show or ticket with E.L.O. and Pearl Jam (who, without question, are going in next year)? I can just imagine how great that show would be.

Posted by SotN on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 14:00pm


Enig

I personally get the Feeling the Moody Blues are Next for Prog type stuff. I mean would like to think they are. I do agree spreading the Prog acts Over time is the Best approach. I'm going with one a Year. By the way I want to mention that I like Jethro Tull even more than the Moody Blues but I feel that the Moody Blues would be sooner because they go back further into the 60s. Jethro Tull emerged in 1969. That is why I go with Moody Blues first and they may be slightly more key overall. Its a few years I think for Tull.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 17:18pm


Enig

I just want to mention I was in Car accident. That was in late Nov. I have not been on here as much. My car was totaled. I have no more Car. There are also some Family issues going on. car accident is the main thing for me.

So anyway as I mentioned I think the Moody Blues would hopefully next. I can see E.L.O. after that. I guess before Jethro Tull who I love. I am not actually a big E.L.O. fan. I never did get into their full albums. However, ELO and especially Jeff Lynne is highly respected both on the Radio and in the industry as SotN mentioned.

I am going to focus on this year. Let's see who is Inducted at long last for 2016 first. Let's get Yes in and take it from there. My 3 choices for Classic Rock this year are the Cars, Chicago and Yes. I don't remember your predictions for 2016. You may agree with those 3. I don't expect all Classic Rock. I'm predicting Chic, Janet Jackson and Chaka Khan as well. The Hall always goes for some diversity. I saw your final list. We mostly agree. We agree on 4. I chose Chic and Janet Jackson. I'm not a fan at all of those 2 as I've said.

At work me and my friends have talked many times about Deep Purple not going in due to ignorance and bad tastes in the Hall. A lot of them don't realize their importance. We at my job were figuring originally on about 2027. A Half Joke. I see now that it looks hopeful for much sooner but not this year. So Unfortunatly I think Chic and Janet before them.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12.9.15 @ 06:36am


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Chicago 23.41% (37657397 votes)
Yes 16.20% (26051206 votes)
The Cars 16.14% (25965740 votes)
Deep Purple 15.88% (25535551 votes)
Steve Miller 15.86% (25503449 votes)
Janet Jackson 5.88% (9458241 votes)
Cheap Trick 1.45% (2330136 votes)
The Spinners 1.28% (2062772 votes)
Chaka Khan 1.15% (1855464 votes)
Chic 0.84% (1345701 votes)
The J.B.'s 0.59% (948683 votes)
N.W.A 0.42% (671180 votes)
Nine Inch Nails 0.35% (562387 votes)
The Smiths 0.30% (488860 votes)
Los Lobos 0.25% (403766 votes)

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.9.15 @ 07:02am


At what time will the fan poll close today? 10AM or 5PM?

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.9.15 @ 07:04am


Ben, very sorry to hear of your car accident. Hope things get a lot better soon.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12.9.15 @ 07:57am


Ben,

I am terribly sorry to hear about your car accident.

My choices for Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction for 2017 are:

1. Yes
2. Chicago
3. Deep Purple
4. The Spinners
5. The Cars
6. Chaka Khan
7. Steve Miller (Band)?
8. The J.B.'s for musical excellence

9. Bernie Taupin as songwriter

Nile Rodgers and Brian Eno for the Ahmet Ertegun award.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12.9.15 @ 08:11am


Let's try this again; shall we?

Ben,

I am terribly sorry to hear about your car accident. I certainly hope that you were not injured.


Once again, here are my final predictions for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame in 2016:

01. Yes
02. Chicago
03. Deep Purple
04. The Spinners
05. The Cars
06. Chaka Khan
07. Steve Miller (Band)?
08. The J.B.'s for musical excellence
09. Bernie Taupin as songwriter
10. Nile Rodgers and Brian Eno for the Ahmet Ertegun award

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12.9.15 @ 08:19am


The fan poll is still open.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.9.15 @ 18:25pm


SotN,

Thank you for your response.

Yes, I had read that the late Chris Squire had wanted the members of Rush to induct Yes into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

Your only problem with inducting one progressive rock act per year is the risk of having posthumous inductions. The youngest members of the first generation of progressive rock bands are now in their mid 60's; the oldest members are now in their mid 70's.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 00:52am


"Your only problem with inducting one progressive rock act per year is the risk of having posthumous inductions. The youngest members of the first generation of progressive rock bands are now in their mid 60's; the oldest members are now in their mid 70's."

Yes, Enigmaticus, because it's completely fair when R&B acts get inducted posthumously, even when it's groups where all inducted members have died, but it's an absolute crime against humanity for any member of a prog group to be inducted after they've died. smh

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 00:56am


Philip,

I did not say that it was fair that R & B acts had been passed over either, but the fact that only 3 of the so-called major "progressive rock" bands and 4 major "art rock" acts thus far, have been inducted is an absolute travesty. To make a comparison between prog and r & b and put it in a proper perspective, that would be like only having James Brown, Chuck Berry and Ray Charles inducted as artists into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 02:08am


And to really add insult to injury, our prog equivalent of Muddy Waters (King Crimson), Little Richard (Yes) and Robert Johnson (The Moody Blues) have not been inducted yet. Also, it took the prog equivalent of James Brown (Pink Floyd) 4 years to be inducted. Our version of Ray Charles (Genesis) had followed them in 14 years later. Finally, our prog equivalent of Chuck Berry (Rush) was inducted 3 years afterwards. So, now that our prog equivalent of Little Richard (Yes) is up for induction, we are very excited, but we had waited 3 additional years for that to occur.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 03:15am


Enig

I'm a supporter of yours to a Good extent but you lost me with Prog equivalent of Muddy Waters, Little Richard and all that. Can you please explain that. Robert Johnson-Moody Blues? All that. I have to say you lost me.

I do want to say that predicting One Prog act a year is something realistic for the Hall. That would still be better than A Prog act every several years. I am not nearly as Prog as you are. I don't even know King Crimson too well. I also have predicted and have supported R&B acts too.

There actually haven't been too many R&B acts inducted lately. There was Donna Summer in 2013, I am not a fan but I felt it was sad that she was a posthumous induction. Last year they had Bill Withers was inducted. They were successful with inducting him while he is alive. So actually the Hall isn't doing so good with R&B lately either.

I would personally predict the Spinners based on that fear. They are pretty old. I know this isn't your forte so I will switch back to Prog. It seems overall that Prog groups have fared worse than the R&B. This is because The Committee just don't like Prog as a Whole. Neither you or me are on the Committee. So one Prog act a year is simply my way of conceding. It aint going to be more. Perhaps it will change with changes in the Committee yet to come. I tried predicting 3 Nominees for this year and fell flat. You may recall I predicted ELO, Moody Blues and Yea all in one year. That didn't happen. That's the reason for my one a year policy Now.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 05:25am


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Chicago 23.41% (37666825 votes)
Yes 16.20% (26062286 votes)
The Cars 16.14% (25972912 votes)
Deep Purple 15.87% (25540337 votes)
Steve Miller 15.85% (25507025 votes)
Janet Jackson 5.88% (9461880 votes)
Cheap Trick 1.45% (2336490 votes)
The Spinners 1.28% (2066704 votes)
Chaka Khan 1.16% (1858906 votes)
Chic 0.84% (1348307 votes)
The J.B.'s 0.59% (949877 votes)
N.W.A 0.42% (673860 votes)
Nine Inch Nails 0.35% (563938 votes)
The Smiths 0.30% (490058 votes)
Los Lobos 0.25% (404759 votes)

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 06:08am


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog_files/FRL_Predicts_the_2016_Inductees.html

Future Rock Legends Predicts the 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

Chic
Chicago
Janet Jackson
Nine Inch Nails
N.W.A
Steve Miller

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 06:35am



If Chic, Chicago and Yes are all being inducted in 2016, the ceremony will have to be on April 19, 20, or 21. 21 if they do rehearsals on the 19th and the 20th.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 07:10am


Ben,

I was attempting to make a rough comparison between those artists who are important to the world of progressive rock and those artists who are important to rhythm and blues. Robert Johnson is considered by many individuals to be crucial to the development of the blues and rock & roll. The Moody Blues are considered to be extremely important to the development of progressive rock, in much the same way. I had compared Little Richard to Yes, due to his keyboard expertise.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 07:59am


Ben,

Or to think of it another way, The Moody Blues are the godfathers of progressive rock. Every prog artist owes a great deal to The Moody Blues. Their so-called sons are: Genesis, Yes, Rush, King Crimson, ELP, E.L.O., Gentle Giant, Kansas, Styx, Supertramp and others. Each one of those artists had created their own style of prog. Pink Floyd, Procol Harum and Jefferson Airplane are brothers to The Moody Blues, or uncles to Yes, Genesis, Rush, etc. Jethro Tull and Frank Zappa are The Moody Blues' cousins. Roxy Music, Talking Heads and Duran Duran (art rock), etc. are their daughters.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 08:27am


Enig

I understand a lot better Now except. Just to have fun here. Why are Talking Heads and Duran Duran daughters? I like both groups to an extent so No worries there but why are they Daughters not Sons. The real announcement is 1 week away. Might as well pass the time with something fun.

The Moody Blues are the Godfathers of Progressive Rock. I totally agree with. That's why others like Jethro Tull would come after. Now it is true that Yes are likely now even though Moody Blues are first. They are going by their Greater Fame in the arenas there. Moody Blues will probably be before Jethro Tull based on the same thing.

Let me know about the Daughter thing with Talking Heads and Duran Duran

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 11:07am


Enigmaticus: I wanted to post soon after your comment, but I wasn't sure how to begin a reply. For now, I'll go with this:

Sadly, the threat of posthumous inductees is a bed the Hall of Fame has made, and it's never going to go away. There's two things I can blame this on: the decision to induct five acts per year (and skimp badly on other types of nominees) as well as the almost laser-like focus away from outlying genres.

You submit prog rock as a badly snubbed genre, and without question it is: there is no reason why, in 2015, Yes and Deep Purple are on a ballot instead of in the Hall of Fame. The same can be said of bands like King Crimson, ELO, ELP, and the Moody Blues.

Problem is, it's far from the only heavily neglected genre. Glam rock, for example, started around the same time, and is hideously represented in the Hall of Fame despite influence that lasted even into the 90s. Despite Roxy Music's catalog, Sweet's radio presence, and T. Rex's influence, the Hall of Fame seems to think David Bowie is enough to represent the whole genre. Make no mistake: Bowie is a far and away deserving inductee, but the idea that him alone can represent the genre forever is foolish. It's a similar thing to Pink Floyd: they thought that inducting just them was enough from prog rock (although prog has a lot more major snubs than glam rock).

A few more badly snubbed genres: metal (Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, any of the Big Four from the 80s other than Metallica), alternative in the 80s, especially British (The Cure, The Smiths, Joy Division/New Order, Pixies), R&B (the quickly dying-out Spinners, War, Chic), female solo vocalists (Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Tina Turner, Chaka Khan, Carole King, Pat Benatar, and now Mariah Carey), electronic or users of electronic instruments (Kraftwerk, Suicide, Can, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran), etc.

The Hall of Fame could've learned from their snubs over the years, but the revelation that they want a class of five this year (only going higher if the vote is close) and even debating moving the needle up to 20 years vs. 25 years means that they'll likely lose several more deserving artists before they finally get to them. By this time, the founders should have been in: for prog rock, this would be the point where we're discussing the merits of bands like Supertramp, Kansas, ELP, and the soon-to-be-eligible Tool and A Perfect Circle and for British alternative, we'd be debating Blur, the Stone Roses, My Bloody Valentine, and maybe Madness. Instead, here we are discussing the merits of the founders of those genres. It's bizarre.

Posted by SotN on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 16:04pm


My final predictions:

Chic
Chicago
Deep Purple
Janet Jackson
NWA
The J.B.'s

Posted by dmg on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 16:05pm


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Chicago 23.41% (37666974 votes)
Yes 16.20% (26062453 votes)
The Cars 16.14% (25973028 votes)
Deep Purple 15.87% (25540416 votes)
Steve Miller 15.85% (25507094 votes)
Janet Jackson 5.88% (9461890 votes)
Cheap Trick 1.45% (2336572 votes)
The Spinners 1.28% (2066730 votes)
Chaka Khan 1.16% (1858917 votes)
Chic 0.84% (1348330 votes)
The J.B.'s 0.59% (949883 votes)
N.W.A 0.42% (673866 votes)
Nine Inch Nails 0.35% (563997 votes)
The Smiths 0.30% (490088 votes)
Los Lobos 0.25% (404767 votes)

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Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 17:29pm


Too bad its a fraud vote.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 17:37pm


Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 17:41pm


Hi everyone,
New to commenting to this site, but I've been a follower for quite some time. Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in and make some predictions for the 2016 Rock Hall class. I'm thinking there'll be six inductees (five is ludicrous, especially on a ballot like this).

Cheap Trick- Seems they have a pretty huge following among fellow rock musicians, and many of them have been championing their inclusion for a while now. I think they have a real good chance of making it this year on their first nom.

Chic- Their 10 nominations has become ridiculous and I think they're going to garner votes simply to clear space. They do deserve induction and clearly have a fan base as well, so I can see them sneaking in this year.

Chicago- Won the fan vote and again, many have been pushing for their induction for two decades. They're in.

Janet Jackson- The closest thing to a shoo-in on the ballot. Kind of surprising she wasn't a first year eligible nom, but she's a sure-fire ratings boost for HBO.

N.W.A.- Influence, popularity and consistent noms over four years. Speaks for itself.

Yes-People love their prog, and they definitely are overdue. Their influence and fan base is way too strong to ignore, and yes, the death of a key member definitely ups their game. I could potentially see this slot being handed over to Deep Purple instead, but I think Yes fans have the upper hand.

Dark horse- Los Lobos. Another highly regarded outfit with a number of high profile fans. They could slip in.

Posted by Scott Fitz on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 19:35pm


Amen Gassman; the 2016 Fan Vote was rigged no many how many times Roy posts the final results.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 20:01pm


Not to mention prog is nowhere near as important to the foundations of rock 'n' roll as blues and R&B are. In face, some folks have even argued that rap is closer to true rock'n'roll than prog. Something to ponder.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 21:45pm


"In face, some folks have even argued that rap is closer to true rock'n'roll than prog." -Philip

My favorite is when you see one of these "rap izn't rawk, d00d!!!11!!1!!" robots who then turn around and give you their snub list that's almost all Prog.

You can either be a purist on the definition of RnR or have a broad, inclusive view of the definition of RnR, but you don't get to stand on some middle ground of historical illiteracy and self absorption and decide that these branches of the tree are valid and these ones aren't, based solely on your own personal likes and dislikes, and still be taken seriously.

Whether I personally enjoy them or not (and with the exceptions of Rush and Public Enemy it's mostly not), I think that all of the Prog and Rap acts that have been inducted are highly deserving and there are plenty more strong, worthy candidates waiting in both subgenres. I've never heard a credible or convincing argument for the exclusion of either.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 22:52pm


It's kinda great that all of FRL predictions for the 2016 Rock Hall are almost the same as mine (I chose Yes; FRL chose Nine Inch Nails. Either way I'd be happy). I do have the feeling there will be 6 inductees this year thou.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 22:55pm


Critical acclaim rankings from acclaimedmusic.net:

Muddy Waters - 146
King Crimson - 196

Little Richard - 110
Yes - 291

Robert Johnson - 246
Moody Blues - 645

James Brown - 30
Pink Floyd - 22

Ray Charles - 72
Genesis - 283

Chuck Berry - 46
Rush - 502

I realize that website's rankings have some flaws: artists that a fringe minority think are great (Britney Spears) can be ranked higher than artists that everyone acknowledges are good but don't get the same kind of mainstream critical slobbery (George Jones, Alice in Chains, Stevie Ray Vaughan). And the same kind of kooky results exist on equivalent sites such as theyshootpictures.com which places "Plan 9 from Outer Space" and "Showgirls" on the list of top 2000 acclaimed movies while most Best Picture nominees and even a lot of winners don't make it. (I guess people would say both those movies defined their weak camp genres due to having entertainment value in a so-bad-it's-good way while something like "Driving Miss Daisy" doesn't, whatever...) I like the idea of rewarding what some people think is great and other people hate (everything from "A Clockwork Orange" to "Fight Club" to "Forrest Gump") over things everybody agrees are good but nobody thinks are great (for some reason "Searching for Bobby Fischer" is the first thing I come up with here) but taken too far, a fringe minority thinking something atrocious is great will likely overrate certain things (I would *not* say that about any of the highly-rated HoF nominees here though) and people's refusal to rate things highly that are good but not great over a rather lengthy period (Chicago) leads bands like that to be underrated (and Diamond outside the top 2000 behind even groups like Live and The Backstreet Boys?)

Still, while there are a bunch of things on that top 1000 artists list that stick out like a sore thumb, and it isn't necessarily the best proxy for influence/innovation/historical impact, it does serve the point that each prog band you listed pales to the R&B acts you compared them to, except for Brown/Floyd, which is comparable. You can argue that critics didn't like prog rock (which is true), but I'll argue that the R&B acts should probably also likely be higher and aren't because they were from the era before albums really became an art form so acts who had the opportunity to feature highly on albums and singles had a much greater advantage.

The highly popular acts that take forever to get into the RNRHOF *can* be reflected by this to some degree so I think it's worth looking at (for example: Chicago - 950, Neil Diamond - 2022, and even their worst haters I think would rank them as more important than that 1950-present, but still...) I think this explains why SRV wasn't first ballot, because the critical slobbering over him strangely wasn't as much as most people think it is.

23 - Smiths
163 - Nine Inch Nails
165 - Deep Purple
192 - Chic
209 - N.W.A
257 - Janet Jackson
291 - Yes
400 - Cheap Trick
456 - Cars
545 - Steve Miller Band
553 - Los Lobos
755 - Spinners
950 - Chicago
1080 - Chaka Khan
Not listed - JBs (but not sure what it would be if you counted the James Brown singles/albums they played on)

Is that precisely where I'd rank them in historical importance? Not a chance, because critics liking something may not mean it is influential or innovative (Spears over Vaughan), just a correlation. But I do think this still does a good job of predicting snubs, and the classic rock acts generally look bad by this. I think everybody is overrating Chicago's chances (since critics still hate them) and underrating Cheap Trick's (Cheap Trick and Cars are the bands the mainstream/alternative like equally, but I guess the fact that alternative is underrepresented may hurt the fact that they seem to be liked equally by all demographics much like the Cars and Deep Purple; Chicago and Miller and Yes are loved among some demographics and hated among others, so I would guess they'll have more trouble). I suppose they do seem to be going directly based on hits ultimately, just looking at the order they chose prog rock bands for example. Pink Floyd - Genesis - Rush - Yes. They're ranking by classic rock and/or pop radio standards, nothing else, so I guess the Moodies are next after Yes is in.

Posted by Sean on Friday, 12.11.15 @ 00:29am


Tom DeSavia: The J.B.'s, The Spinners, Los Lobos, Cheap Trick, The Cars

Dave Marsh: The Spinners, Chic, Los Lobos, Cheap Trick, The Cars

Robert Hilburn: The Spinners, Chic, Los Lobos, N.W.A, Nine Inch Nails

Eddie Trunk: Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Nine Inch Nails, Yes

Tom Nawrocki: Janet Jackson, The Smiths

Rush: Chicago, Deep Purple, Yes

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.11.15 @ 07:32am


Roy,

It seems that Lee & Lifeson stopped short of saying they voted for Chicago. They talked about them, but then said they were voting for Yes and Deep Purple 100%. Also, Neil Peart was absent from the interview, so can't say for sure who he voted for (if he voted).

That was my take from the article.

Posted by dmg on Friday, 12.11.15 @ 09:30am


About the 2016 Nominees, dmg wrote:
Roy,

It seems that Lee & Lifeson stopped short of saying they voted for Chicago. They talked about them, but then said they were voting for Yes and Deep Purple 100%. Also, Neil Peart was absent from the interview, so can't say for sure who he voted for (if he voted).

That was my take from the article.
Friday, 12.11.15 @ 09:30am

They said they were surprised Chicago wasn't in already. They also called them very influential.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.11.15 @ 10:03am


http://www.kshe95.com/news/real-rock-news/rock-and-roll-hall-fame-fan-voting-complete

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame fan voting is complete
Chicago, Yes, The Cars, and Deep Purple lead the pack

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.11.15 @ 10:27am


https://www.facebook.com/rockhallmike/p ... 9199910429

Those are the same six acts Future Rock Legends predicted. This would be the first time they guessed all the right inductees.

Rock Hall Inductees for the Class of 2016 will be announced this coming Thursday, Dec. 17th. Ceremony will be held in New York sometime in April although exact date and venue is still not determined. Coincidentally, CHICAGO is scheduled to play Madison Square Garden on April 18th. Also, CHIC will be touring North America at the same time with Duran Duran. JANET JACKSON is on a full scale North American Tour. STEVE MILLER is also on tour next year. Makes me think that these four acts will be inducted..... Not sure about the fifth. My guess would be N.W.A. due to its consecutive nominations and the after buzz from the film about them "Straight Outta Compton" or Nine Inch Nails since they are among Rolling Stone's Top 100 Artists of All Time.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.11.15 @ 22:33pm


https://mobile.twitter.com/rockhallmike ... 9373048832

Rock Hall Inductees for the Class of 2016 will be announced this coming Thursday, Dec. 17th. Ceremony will be…

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.11.15 @ 22:35pm


SO it is finally coming Up. The Rock Hall Inductees for the Class of 2016 will be announced in 5 days on Thursday Dec 17th. That is exciting. I will not go on tangents anymore about predictions for Future classes. Now then some Years ago Inductees were more obvious like Elton John, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd in fact, Fleetwood Mac, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Eric Clapton, James Taylor. What has happened over time is inductees are often not as obvious as they used to be in terms of Common or critical appeal or were passed over because of some cult favs they like in the Hall.

So many artists have gotten passed over due to Bad and biased calls by the Hall and bias by Voters too. As I've said I think The Cars, Chicago, Yes and Janet Jackson all stand a very good chance. I have said that Chic should finally get in as well as Chaka Khan. She is a little weaker than the others. I don't think N.W.A. will get in but they could be in instead of Chaka. So another backup on my part. I am not a rapper in any way but I know they have been Nominated a few times. I also said that maybe there will be 7. I predict a 7th with Steve Miller.

We shall soon know. I am still going with the Classic focus simply because they could go with 90s artists a bit more next year. N.W.A. could foreseeably wait but Chic stand a good chance because of 10 Nominations. So I do predict them. I am most interested Clearly in my predictions of Cars, Chicago and Yes. I don't think this is my last post before the announcement. I just wanted to say all this and get responses on this post.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12.12.15 @ 10:04am


Hey guys Janet Jackson will be on tour in Europe around the time of the Induction ceremony so I think they will wait and induct Janet in 2017 or later

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12.12.15 @ 21:09pm


It appears that the date of the ceremony may by April 8, 2016. If that's the case, Janet has a 5 day break in her schedule of sold out European dates.

Posted by Marissa on Saturday, 12.12.15 @ 21:37pm


Hey Guys I'm sometimes the first post of the Morning. I will stop my Posts on here in a couple days just before the Big announcement. I read the Future Rock Legends predictions for the 2016 Inductees. I do have 3 that are the same. Chic, Chicago and Janet Jackson. This is the FRL who predict just like Us. I don't really agree with NIN and N.W.A. for this year. FRL predicts Steve Miller, I predict him as a 7th inductee. I just think that Yes and Chaka Khan are being inducted too as well as the Cars. I mentioned this in many different ways.

Now years ago many favs of Mine were Inducted. The Who, Neil Young Led Zep Pink Floyd Jefferson Airplane and Eric Clapton among many others, Now like I've said things got tricky and mixed up later on. People like the Flamingos and Solomon Burke went in very late and so did Isaac Hayes. I don't know those too well. I can respect other genres. I'm just saying their delay mixed things up for others of the 70s and 80s later on. The 5 a year way made it worse. There was Tom Petty, Talking Heads Bob Seger and Traffic along the way as well as Skynyrd and various others.

Ok. So we come to the present day. The Hall has realized its errors somewhat. They have a nice Nominee list this year. I am staying with my Classic lineup of Half Rock and Half R&B. I think this way my predictions are fair and realistic. This simply shuns out NIN and NWA along with some others. If the Hall catches up on Classics like the Cars, Chicago and Yes as well as Chic then they are catching Up. I am reallyyyy hoping for responses. I'll Chat with ya!

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 06:16am


http://rockhall.com/inductees/ceremonies/

The 2016 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony will be on Friday, April 8, 2016.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 08:05am


"
So many artists have gotten passed over due to Bad and biased calls by the Hall and bias by Voters too."
Yeah...especially classic R&B artists.
The Marvelettes weren't even nominated this year. They,Mary Wells, Dionne Warwick,The Spinnerts, Gene Chandler, The Pointer Sisters, WAR, The Olympics, Jr. Walker & The All-Stars, The Commodores, Patti La Belle & The BlueBelles/LaBelle , Brook Benton,Barry White, Don Cornelius,The Stylistics, The Chi-Lites,The Whispers,Rufus (not just Chaka)Lou Rawls, and numerous others should have gotten in DECADES ago...long BEFORE they even got to '80's Rappers.
Now, because of Rockist bias,and the removal of their biggest boosters on the Nominating Committee, most of them will probably not get in at ALL.
It's a SAD DAY for fans of Classic R&B.

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 10:20am


That is sort of a response. Yes that is true. I will also mention that I like Stevie Wonder and Earth, Wind & Fire quite a bit. They got in pretty promptly. Later on though The Hall were so anxious to get U2 in for example that they forgot about previous Classic Rock & R&B artists. The 5 a year messed things up a lot too. Nothing against U2 I suppose but the critics love them so they were in so promptly. Same thing with the Sex Pistols. They were rather prompt. More prompt then either the Spinners or Chicago/ Punk got supported without enough attention to Classic artists from before both Rock & R&B by then. The Spinners, Pointer Sisters and War for sure were worth considering at that time.

I love Rock but I am diverse and fair about it. They could have waited on Grandmaster Flash and Patti Smith in favor of R&B and Prog rock In fact. Those are some the people I meant as far as Bias. In fact Patti Smith is a Punk Poet that deserves to be inducted but the question is the timing and How many Inductees should go in. Should have been more than 5. Hence the problem.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 11:30am


My philosophy is that it isn't about "when", but "if". Artists inducted in 1990 aren't "more inducted" than artists inducted in 2010. If they're worthy, they'll get their recognition.

I do acknowledge that there's a major downside to my philosophy: people die. Many worthy artists will never see their induction. But as long as the Hall doesn't make death a strike against them (like the Songwriter's Hall of Fame does), then I personally don't have a problem with it. The Hall of Fame shouldn't be something an artist strives to achieve. Just make music, and let society and culture take it from there.

I do think the number of inductees per year shouldn't have an upper limit. I think it should be a MINIMUM of 5, then induct artists on a certain percentage or more of ballots after that.

Posted by dmg on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 11:59am


How I'd revise the process:

Rock Hall Revisions

The Nominating Committee

To add some degree of legitimacy to the nomination process, I feel there needs to be some sort of dynamic process that allows different opinions to be present each year. To start, I would change the nominating committee makeup to exactly 32 members. This allows the committee to break up into even parts for sub-committees or the nomination routine. The makeup of the committee would be changed to the following:

1. 30 permanent members, each of whom would sit out every third year, giving a total of 20 participating permanent members each year. They would still be on the payroll, and they still would have a vote in the general election in years when they are not participating.

2. 12 temporary members. Each of these members would get to participate in the general Hall of Fame vote for that year only (unless they are already included in the voting block, in which case they would get to keep their voter status). Temporary members would not be eligible again as a temporary member for at least 5 years, but they may be hired as permanent members.

a. 10 temporary members will be hired from an application pool. These could be
anyone in the industry - radio DJs, historians, musicians, writers, execs, etc.
Hall of Fame inductees are allowed to participate as temporary members. This
pool will be chosen with diversity in mind - they cannot all be Hall of Fame
inductees, for example, even if more than 10 inductees applied.

b. 2 temporary members will be contest entrants and will be open to the public at
large. It can be from an essay contest, or video contest, or something like that,
with all expenses paid.

All nominating committee members must be present during the nomination process. There will be no remote submissions, debating, or voting. Exceptions may be made on a case-by-case basis for things like illness, injury, or other unforeseen circumstance.

The Nominating Process

Each member will present four acts they would like to discuss for the nomination process (they must present at least one that has not been presented yet) and open the floor to debate their choices. The order will be chosen at random. Members may list off additional possibilities for other members who have not yet presented, and who might be out of ideas come their turn.

After the presentations, the entire committee debates the merits of the entries. Once the debate is completed, the committee members vote for exactly 20 nominees.

The Voting Process

Each voter would then receive a ballot with 20 nominees, and must vote for up to seven. The biggest change would be the addition of a write-in slot, and one of those seven votes may be for that write-in.

The ballot counting would be from a third-party firm. The write-ins would be presented to Rock Hall scholars out of context (meaning the source of the write-in is not made known) and the scholars would make the determination whether or not the write-in is eligible. They would also offer assistance for illegible write-ins when requested. After review, if a write-in is determined to be ineligible or illegible, it is not counted; however, the rest of the ballot is. Write-ins that are not counted are still kept so that the Hall can evaluate possible changes to the process in the future; and write-ins that are counted would be presented at the following year's nominating committee for evaluation for possible future nominees (it would be in list format by number & percentage of ballots to ensure anonymity of voters).

The Hall of Fame would induct a minimum of five acts from the voting process based on total number of votes. Acts who are voted for on a certain percentage or more of ballots (say, 45%) would also be inducted. There would technically be no maximum number of inductees, but it probably wouldn't be more than eight based on the conditions set forth (that would be the goal when setting the percentage mark).

Other Categories

After the nominees have been released, the sub-committees can be formed from the pool of nominating committee members for the purposes of inducting people or acts in the other categories. These can either be chosen at random, or chosen from those who fall into specific categories: historians, writers, etc. to ensure accuracy and legitimacy. These inductees would be announced along with the voted-in performer inductees.

Posted by dmg on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 13:11pm


As mentioned, Janet has a break in the European leg of her tour. She can make a plane trip back from England to attend the Hall of Fame show and then go back in time to perform the next show the following day.

Some folks just have a very stringent work ethic. But even then, that shouldn't stop Janet from getting inducted. The HOF needs a big name and Janet's by far the biggest name on the bill, just like Madonna was the big name of the 2008 class and Michael Jackson being the big name of the 2001 class and Prince being the big name of the 2004 class.

Posted by Tim on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 14:50pm


Bill, again you really need to step out of that bubble. Saying that a whopping, 4 A-level, high impact Rap/Hip Hop acts getting in before a laundry list of B, C and D level R&B acts is a problem is just as absurd as always. I'd be more than happy to see most of those you list get in, but there's no reason that Public Enemy, Grandmaster Flash, the Beastie Boys and Run-DMC should have waited in line behind any of them.

Ben - They were anxious to get U2 in right away because they've consistently been one of the biggest bands on the planet for the past 30 years, none of the remaining classic rock acts, as deserving as a lot of them are, come anywhere close to U2's level of impact and importance. Maybe the Rolling Stones should have had to wait until Johnny Burnette, Link Wray and Gene Chandler get in. That makes about as much sense.

As far as an all classic rock or all 70s rock-R&B class goes, looking at all of the snubs out there, there's not an era or genre or associated collective of candidates at this point important enough to merit a class to themselves, not classic rock, not prog, not punk or post-punk not pre-Beatles rockers, not R&B. None. Not to mention that the chronologically later nominees on this years ballot (NIN, NWA, Janet Jackson) were all high impact, A-level acts who don't need to wait in line behind anybody. And I say that as someone who has always strongly disliked Janet's music and who NWA has never rated highly for on a personal listening enjoyment level.

You seem like a nice enough guy, but when you're pointing at top tier punk, post-punk and alternative acts as people who should have to wait until they've scraped the barrel on classic rock, it makes it difficult to read your comments as being based in anything other than your own record collection. One thing that a lot of classic rock fans seem to forget is that most everybody else feels that their favorite genre has been snubbed to death and disrespected, too, but as I read RRHoF comments around the internet I rarely see fans of pop, alternative, R&B (except Bill) or any other avenue that the Rock Hall deals with posting snub/complaint lists that are as self-entiled and lacking in any sort of diversity or understanding of RnR history as a whole as I see from classic rock fans. If I ever seem to display some contempt toward classic rock it's not about the actual music or artists (many of whom I agree are snubs, and many others who I feel are strong candidates) or fans of the genre who have a broader acceptance and understanding of RnR history (like most of the classic fans who are regular posters here, the majority of whom I I respect), it's about the constant barrage of calls for all white 70s rock classes, the cliche, predictable contempt for any Rap, Reggae, Dance/Disco or R&B artist who makes it in and the attitude that every other genre should be put on hold until every obscure classic rocker is in.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 18:12pm


Two things I wish to comment on while the discussion is open. More my opinions, but still.

1. Since I first heard about the Hall of Fame from an almanac in 2001, I always was of the impression that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's purpose was to honor those who contributed to the evolution of Rock and Roll, not just people who performed it. That's why "the rap question" never really bothered me: it can be as much of a contributor to Rock and Roll as, say, punk or new wave or pop. If an artist like, say, the Sex Pistols or Grandmaster Flash helped introduce new ideas to the music, why not admit it instead of take all the credit for those ideas?

2. U2 had first-year inductee written all over them. For me, the act that always struck me as a questionable first-balloter were the Pretenders. I don't know if it was because I never grew up when they were at their peak, but while I admit they deserve in, I never thought of them as an act so deserving that they get in immediately upon eligibility. I'm willing to hear if somebody can shed light on this.

3. One argument that I've never really been a fan of as far as snubs are concerned is "Madonna/Grandmaster Flash (or rap in general)/Sex Pistols are in the Hall of Fame and (x) isn't!" The reason I've never been a fan of that argument is because that's more of an issue with the politics of the Hall of Fame or the process than with the artists themselves. Madonna was one of the 80s biggest stars, and her influence was easily visible. She was going to be a first-ballot inductee, but the Hall mucked things up so badly between the five inductee limit and their favoritism for or against certain artists (The Moody Blues, Kraftwerk, Black Sabbath) meant that she got in before any of them. If she was not inducted, she'd be, hands down, considered one of the biggest snubs the Hall ever made.

For me, however, the biggest example of how badly the five-act limit, combined with politics, blew up in the Hall's faces was with Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. Wenner wanted a rap inductee so badly, and while they weren't in the Top 5, they were in #6, which means if the recent regime was around, they'd be in normally. Problem was that the Dave Clark Five were in #5, so instead of just having both in (if the limit was either 6 or more), the Furious Five got in on a controversial move, which led to two issues: it corrupted the induction of an act that deserved induction normally, and the five vote limit meant that, in an attempt to rectify the criticism, they pretty much HAD to vote in the DC5 the next year, which meant that 2008 really had only four possible inductees. If they had bumped up the number of inductees that year to six to accommodate it, who knows? Maybe Chic or Bambaataa would've been in or the Beastie Boys or the Stooges wouldn't have needed to wait. Worse, they still got bit in the end, because pushing the band back one year meant that Mike Smith didn't live long enough to be at the ceremony in person. At the very least, you'd think they'd learn from the fiasco, but apparently they didn't.

And while you could argue that the five act limit is a way to make the prize of induction a worthwhile honor instead of watering it down, the failure to induct certain acts makes the limit more of a hindrance, plus it isn't like upping the number by one or two would have taken away from the value of the induction.

Just my impressions.

Posted by SotN on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 19:55pm


Alright. I may have gone too far with the U2 comment. Yeah they are pretty major Ok. The biggest problem is when the Inductee list was only 5 a year. That was really the problem. If had been more like 7 or 8 then U2, Blondie and the Ronettes could have all gone in at the same time. Just an example. I got carried away. I agreed with the Clash going in when they did. So yes the Sex Pistols going when they did is fine. I went too far. Sorry.

I agreed with Isaac Hayes going in even though I am not a big Fan. I am not a big Prince fan but that one made enormous sense. Huge and influential. Bob Seger and Traffic went in at the same time as him. 2004. That year was pretty well rounded.

So getting back to present day I am not going with an all white 70s Rock class. That would not be realistic. Thus I predict Janet Jackson who is real major and is not anywhere in my Own record collection. Same thing with Chic. I think their time has come. I do own one tune from Chaka Khan who I predict. There is of course my Rock choices like Yes for this year. OK. I will move on now. I've been known to rethink things so I did. In previous posts I did mention last month about the impact of Punk despite not being a big Punk Rocker. Sorry. I'll stick with my predictions for this Year.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 20:04pm


Why not Waldorf Astoria for 2016? It's a much more formal look. I've always wished Chicago would be inducted into the Rock Hall at the Waldorf Astoria, with VH1 Classic producing the video biographies at the ceremony. Too bad it's HBO.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 20:32pm


One thing we all seem to agree on is that the five inductee classes really screwed things up. The ballot this year really annoyed me because of how skewed in one direction it is. If you took out Chicago, Deep Purple, Yes, the Cars, Steve Miller and Cheap Trick and replaced them with the Cure, Depeche Mode, Black Flag, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Sonic Youth and Joy Division (roughly an 80s Alt equivalent in stature to this years classic rock nominees), I think that my initial visceral reaction to the ballot would naturally be positive, but after a few minutes I'd have to concede that it's too heavy in one direction to be a credible ballot. Putting too many acts from one musical neighborhood on the same ballot waters all of them and their accomplishments down. They end up looking like one big blob where none of them shine or stand out. And like I said, I don't think it's credible at this point for any era or genre to dominate a ballot or class to that extent. As far as snubs go, the acts of A+ level importance of every era are all in. Chuck Berry, Elvis, the Beatles, the Stone, the Who, Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, the Clash, REM, U2, Madonna, Prince, Public Enemy, Nirvana -- those would be credibility killing snubs for the Hall. Right now there are a lot of puzzling and absurd omissions clear across the spectrum, but I think that classes and ballots lacking in diversity, both in musical and demographic terms is a bigger credibility blow for the RRHoF than any individual snubs are. If it weren't for those five act classes it's an issue that may not exist.

And, SotN, I was around for the Pretenders peak, and I've never quite gotten that one either. Definitely a worthy inductee who should have gotten in pretty quickly, but I never quite figured out how they flew in when contemporaries of theirs from the same musical neighborhood who were just as or even more important didn't or in some cases still haven't. Who knows with these people.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 20:45pm


DarinRG,

My original list of nominees was based upon the idea that the induction city was going to be Los Angeles. Unfortunately, that did not happen and the location was switched to New York City. I find it somewhat ironic that many of the nominees are from my back up list, instead. Be that as it may, from this list I could easily choose my favorites: Yes, Deep Purple, Chicago, The Spinners and The Cars. I also think that Chaka Khan, Steve Miller and the J.B.'s have a chance of being inducted this time. Please tell me how exactly would you define an A+ class artist? Would they play a musical instrument? Would they have a history of consistency throughout their discography? Would they still be selling out arenas and stadia?

Bill G.,

If the Pointer Sisters had been on this particular ballot, I would have definitely voted for them. I was extremely surprised that they have not already been inducted.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 23:18pm


Dave Marsh made the comment that last year we got the strongest class from a weak ballot. I can't help thinking how funny it would be if this year we got the weakest class from a very strong ballot. Something like an induction class of The J.B.'s, Chaka Khan, Los Lobos, The Smiths, and Chic. I'd actually be happy to see Los Lobos and The Smiths get in, but can you just imagine the outrage if the class looked like that? Getting very excited for the announcement on Thursday. It'll be the perfect way to start to my birthday.

Posted by Greg P. on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 23:21pm


Ben,

Sometimes, we tend to forget that The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame is a private institution; they are entitled to induct whoever they like, whenever they like. However, I do agree that they probably should have inducted more than 5, or 6 people per year. I also think that The Moody Blues should have been inducted prior to Genesis and Rush. Rush should have been inducted long before Metallica and Guns N Roses and U2. Yes should have been inducted around the same time that Rush was. Procol Harum should have already been inducted as should King Crimson, Roxy Music and Duran Duran. I am somewhat surprised that Pink Floyd had not been inducted until 1996. Jefferson Airplane should have been inducted earlier, as well. We should now be debating the merits of inducting Kansas, Gentle Giant and Supertramp. But that did not happen. Instead, we are debating the merits of inducting Yes, which in my honest opinion, should have been a "no brainer."


In an ideal world, The Spinners, The Pointer Sisters and Sade would have already been inducted and the late great Donna Summer would not have been inducted posthumously.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 23:40pm


DarinRg,

I'm sorry about that post. We do all seem to agree that the 5 Inductee Classes screwed things up. I don't even know why the Hall did that. I experienced those at the time. Many many of us did.

SO in rethinking what I said. Blondie and the Sex Pistols should have gone in exactly when they did But if there had been 7 or 8 inductees in that Class Perhaps the Ronettes and Van Halen could have gone in early. Perhaps. Then maybe the Dave Clark Five, Jeff Beck and Bobby Womack would have gone in earlier as well. Hey then who knows Rush as well as the Cure and Siouxie and the Banshees would have gone in earlier. I do own a few tunes by Siouxie and the Banshees. I went with predicting a Classic lineup for this year because this way if that happens next year may and could have more 80s and 90s. Ahh that's right.

I noticed that Neither Smashing Pumpkins or Alice in Chains were nominated this year. I would think next year along with Pearl Jam they could be nominated as well as Duran Duran, The Cure and Siouxie and Sonic Youth. I would also predict a few Classic Rockers. I don't want to labor over next year. We are 3 days away from the announcement of this year.

Just like Enig I'm choosing some favs of mine with The Cars, Chicago and Yes. I would predict Deep Purple but I don't know if they have enough overall support for this year. I do as well think Chaka Khan and Steve Miller have a pretty good chance of being inducted this time. I've mentioned my prediction so many times. The announcement is coming. I will focus on that Now.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 04:51am


"I'm sorry about that post. We do all seem to agree that the 5 Inductee Classes screwed things up. I don't even know why the Hall did that. I experienced those at the time. Many many of us did."

Please don't feel the need to apologize. There was no animosity or anger toward you intended in my comments. I know that you're excited about this ballot, I'm just trying to share another perspective on it. Just to let you in a little more on where I'm coming from, I'm younger than you, but older than the average here and started to come of age as a music fan at the very end of the 70s/early 80s and I've remained engaged with current music still up to today. Growing up in the 70s I was mostly exposed to classic country and French pop, (when I listed my 100 favorite artists a month or so ago and put Serge Gainsbourg, Jacques Brel, Edith Piaf, Charles Aznavour and Charles Trenet on the list, it wasn't to look hip or edgy, those artists are all very important parts of the early foundation of my musical world view). When I did get to the age to start choosing and relating to my own musical interests I was largely drawn to what an older cousin and two older neighbors were listening to, which was punk, post-punk and early Industrial as well as some of the synthpop and New Wave that I was hearing on the radio. So, my foundation as a music fan is largely founded on classic Country, Francopop, Punk and Post-punk and jumping off from that oddly constructed platform can point you in a lot of strange directions. A lot of people can't imagine a world where the classic rock and prog of the 70s never existed, but I lived in that world really until the late 90s/early 00s when I started going back and investigating in that direction. I found some artists there who I really love and others who I just don't understand the love for, but I don't hold that era as precious or more important than any other because I lived most of my life in a world that was musically rich, adventurous, innovative and stimulating that classic rock wasn't part of and had no relevance to.

Now, what I'm not saying is that because that era of music was irrelevant to my world, that it's categorically unimportant. Chicago, Yes and Steve Miller are completely unlistenable to me. Deep Purple, the Cars and Cheap Trick are listenable, but not artists that I'd choose to listen to over thousands of other options most of the time. But, I also think that every one of the six should be in the RRHoF and most of them are way overdue. What I don't think is that they should all be part of the same class at the expense of other important artists, eras and genres represented on this year's ballot. An awful lot of people live in a musical existence where the artists who are most important to my experience have no presence or relevance and for others of us it's the entire foundation of our musical world. I spent most of my life in a world where Prog and 70s guitar rock had no presence and still have very little relevance, but those genres are the important foundation for a lot of other people. The house of cards doesn't collapse if you remove Chicago, Yes, Steve Miller, Rush, Deep Purple, Jethro Tull, etc and it still doesn't collapse if you remove Bauhaus, the Cure, Black Flag, Nick Cave, Cabaret Voltaire, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Eisturzende Neubauten, Tom Waits, etc. None of these artists are indispensable in any realistic way, but they all mean a hell of a lot to a lot of peoples most visceral life experiences and foundations. None of these artists had to exist for the world's musical heart to keep beating, and no collective based on the arbitrary or chronological grouping that we call genres have such a critical existence that they merit being held above any of the others.

So, again, no harm done and I have no anger or animosity toward you. In my own tired rambling way, I'm just trying to point out that there's a much broader scope to look at here than our own home base eras or musical styles.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 07:38am


DarinRG,

I, on the other hand, did not grow up with Elvis Presley and early rock and roll. I was exposed to my parents love for big band music, the late Perry Como, the Carpenters, motion picture soundtrack music, some Romantic and Classical music and the Ray Conniff singers instead. My sister had liked Simon & Garfunkel and Jim Croce. My only single purchase was of 'Me and My Arrow' by Harry Nilsson. As I have said before, my only exposure to more modern music had come from watching "Solid Gold," while my parents were at the store and hearing the f.m. radio, while at high school, during lunch hour.

I suppose that all of those elements somehow came together in the music of Rush and the other progressive rock bands: the poetry of the singer/songwriters, the structure and complexity of Classical, Baroque and Romantic music. Progressive rock had one additional characteristic: vivacity.

I had been immediately hooked. The music of Rush and that of other progressive rock bands had been much like a musical sponge, collecting disparate elements of rock, jazz, classical, reggae and folk and fusing them together in something that was much more palatable to me, than just plain old rock and roll and heavy metal had been. Once I heard prog, there was no looking back.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 08:48am


DarinRg,

I just wanted you to know My Mom who passed away this year loved Edith Piaf and Charles Aznavour. I heard those when I was little. My Dad who is very much alive is an All American from Brooklyn. He loves Classical as well as Early American Jazz.

When I was a little older and got to the age to start Choosing my Own Musical Interests I was drawn mostly to the key Rock and Pop artists of the Time. Doobie Brothers, Jim Croce, Simon & Garfunkel and of course the Beatles along with many other artists. As a teenager I got into the Who, The Doors, Eric Clapton, Moody Blues, and hundreds of other CLassic Rock artists. However I also got into Talking Heads, and even Adam & the Ants a bit. So I am into a bit more than typical Classic Rock. I didn't get to into New Wave that came later on. That is true. I do like some Duran Duran. You are much stronger with New Wave and 80s Alt.

I predict more of that for next year. So While I am a big Classic Rocker I am more diverse than others. I am not a fan of the Cure but they should go in. In fact the Cure should go in before Blue Oyster Cult and Steppenwolf even though I like those 2 bands a bit. I don't know who Cabaret Voltaire are so I can't say. There are many musical experiences. Most key 70s Rock should be in. But that didn't happen.

Like Enig I took to the Music of the Moody Blues and Yes and some others like ELP. Rush somewhat as well. Enig you are more of a Prog authority than me.

Now then. I still predict my Half Classic Rock Half R&B list. At least it's not All Classic Rock. My predictions next year will be different and more varied. So to the business at hand. The announcement of the 2016 Inductees. N.W.A. and Nine Inch Nails are possible but I stay with my list. DarinRG. You are a fine person and your music artists I'm sure will get their due as well. I will go for a Broader scope next year.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 09:49am


Enig -

Rush was a strange exception for me. When I talk about classic rock and prog having little presence or relevance for me, there is a little more nuance to it than. I wasn't in some distant bubble where I was completely unaware of those areas of music.

My best friend my senior year of high school was really big into that area of music. He'd constantly play Journey, Styx, Yes, Marillion and Heart and I just felt zero connection to any of them. Still to this day after having broadened my view, those are five bands that I still just can't relate to in any way. But, he was also a huge Rush fan and for some reason Rush did click with me where none of the others did. After graduation we went our own ways and those bands all faded back into a very distant, remote background for me, except for Rush. I've kept them around since.

As far as the few other prog bands that I've come to enjoy, it was Robert Fripp's ambient work in the 90s and 00s that convinced me to finally give King Crimson a fair shot and they ended up clicking with me. And Greg F on this site nominated a Wishbone Ash album that lead me to check them out and I became a bit of a fan.

I'm a big fan of Krautrock, which sometimes gets lumped in with Prog, but that's completely inaccurate. Krautrock is small "p" progressive, but those German artists had a completely different agenda and foundational influences than the British and North American Prog bands did. Nonetheless the comparisons pointed me toward a couple other bands like Curved Air and Camel who I enjoy listening to now and again. So, overall Prog is a mixed bag for me. There are some bands there that I really enjoy, but some of the bands that I least enjoy fall into that genre as well.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 18:09pm


Ben -

Posts like that are some of my favorite to read. In the end we're on a site that's centered on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and a majority of the conversations here naturally tend to default to the tribalism and exalting of those we deem induction worthy and ghettoizing those that we don't that comes with that. But, some of the conversations that are most interesting to me are learning about what people were exposed to growing up, what they gravitated toward once they jumped in on their own and what they actually listen to now on a regular basis, as opposed to who they advocate for the HoF (which for me are very different looking lists), and starting to get a picture of how those phases fit together.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 18:33pm


DarinRG,

I would like to mention that also in addition to my Classic Rock I listened in the 80s to bands like the Alarm and the Replacements. I did own an album or 2 from Siouxsie and the Banshees and the B52s back in the 80s. That may seem surprising since a lot of my favs are Classic Rock. There is other stuff I've liked and listened to.

I didn't get into the Cure and Bauhaus but know who they are somewhat. I gravitated to Classic Rock and some Metal but there is some other stuff too personally. I am 50 years Old. So I don't know how much younger you are. You did have a different Music experience than me. I did explore quite a bit beyond typical Classic Rock. Roxy Music caught my interest. They aren't real typical Classic Rock. Just throwing that in. I have heard Camel by the way. Enig probably knows them.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 19:14pm


I agree with Darin that posts where we talk about our musical listening background and how it shaped as overall music fans are among the most interesting to read, so I'll join in on that discussion.

I was born in 1984 (so I'm a pure Generation Y person). I had my parents, as well as two older sisters, one who was born the previous year, and the other who was born in 1978, the tail end of Generation-X.

Pretty much from the time I was born until around 2000 ish, I was an MTV addict. I remember spending much of my childhood just watching music videos on MTV non-stop. To this day, I can still play back tons of music videos from the 1980's in my head, shot for shot. So pretty much anything in the 80's that was betting played on MTV in the 1980's, from the mainstream new wave/synth-pop stuff, to the big 80's pop stars (Prince, MJ, Madonna, Janet Jackson, George Michael, Whitney Houston, etc.), to the 80's hair and glam metal bands), that was among the first music I listened to. The first song I really remember loving was "When Doves Cry," by Prince, and it's to this day my No. 1 favorite song of the 1980's (neck and neck with "With or Without You" by U2). Although my mom often tells a story of me watching the video for "Dancing in the Dark" by Bruce Springsteen in my crib.


At the same time as that my parents were avid 70's rock music fans. My dad was born in 1952 and my mom was born in 1958, so my dad particularly came of age in the late 60's and into the 1970's. When they started dating, they would attend concerts in Indianapolis on an almost weekly basis and saw tons of bands in that era. Bands like KISS, Aerosmith, Rush, REO Speedwagon, Blue Oyster Cult, Foghat, Golden Earring, etc. My mom's tastes were more mainstream as she loved more of the pop music of that era like the Carpenters, the Bee Gees, Cher, etc. Whereas my dad liked more "cult-like" hard rock bands from that era like Montrose, Uriah Heep, Robin Trower, in addition to the major hard rock bands like Deep Purple, The Who, and Led Zeppelin, and he loved Jethro Tull.

So springing forward to my childhood, my mom especially would take me and my sisters out for random drives all the time, and she always had these cassette tapes of random songs she liked that we listened to all the time, that mostly featured 70's and 80's classic rock music. So a lot of the mainstream 70's and 80's classic rock I listened to from an early age thanks to my parents. I remember many a Saturday mornings after the cartoons were over, we'd be in the living room, and my dad would play the entire "Aqualung" cd on our new cd player stereo.


As the early 90's approached, mainstream music went in a more alternative direction with grunge, general alt-rock and gangster rap becoming the dominant forms. By this time my older sister was becoming a teenager and starting to find her own identity as a music fan, and naturally she got heavily into the alt-rock of the early 90's. Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Pantera, White Zombie, Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, etc. So I heard a lot of that in glance thanks to MTV, and my older sister. My parents were never rap fans (still aren't to this day), but I lived in a more urban area of Indianapolis, so I was also listening to the popular rap and R&B music usually on the school bus, and from what was popular with the kids at school, not to mention rap and R&B in general getting far more airplay on MTV by the time the early 90's came around.


So all of these bases are what helped formulate my early years as a music fan, before I ended up finding my own identity in the mid-to late 90's, aka: my early teenage years. Then my spectrum got 10X bigger, but that's another story for another time.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 19:14pm


I actually grew up listening to prog. I was born in '78 and my father's music collection consisted of Pink Floyd, The Moody Blues, and The Alan Parsons Project mostly, though he did listen to a lot of Fleetwood Mac, The Police, Yes, and others.

In Junior High, I got into gangsta rap, since it was popular amongst the neighborhood kids. NWA, Eazy-E, Ice Cube, Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg, Ice-T and Geto Boys were all tops.

When I got to high school, I was back to listening to old prog and classic rock (though I'm not sure what that means anymore).

I studied music for a few years in college and listened to quite a bit of classical. I still listen to it on occasion. Sometimes I just have this weird brain itch that requires some bizarre avante garde classical, like Penderecki's Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima.

I took a big jump into thrash metal for a bit, with artists like Testament, Overkill, Kreator, and Artillery. I still enjoy it and I'm always on the lookout for new stuff.

Nowadays, I experiment. I have my favorites, but I'm also on the lookout for new sounds. Sometimes I'll go to the second-hand record store and look for interesting-looking CDs of artists that I've never heard of. That's how I discovered the space ambient composer Jonn Serrie, the "beautiful sadness" music of Dark Sanctuary, the wickedness of Opera IX, the Norwegian thrash metal band Waklevören, or the Dutch folk-alternative rock band Bettie Serveert (love this band).

I recently discovered the music of Paul Pena. He performed with T-Bone Walker on a live album I purchased, so I researched him. Pena's albums are amazing, front to back. It's too bad he had such little output, thanks to the record label he signed with. They wouldn't release his second album over some stupid managerial dispute, and he contractually couldn't record with anyone else.

I also have guilty pleasures - one of them being the fast dance music of Blümchen. I also sometimes have the urge to turn on the top 40 pop station. Don't judge me...

Here's my Allmusic profile, if you're interested:

http://www.allmusic.com/profile/cyclonus11

Posted by dmg on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 20:44pm


"That's how I discovered the space ambient composer Jonn Serrie,'

I was Facebook friends with Jonn Serrie a few years back. Interesting guy. He's a Civil Air Patrol pilot and always has interesting photos and posts about it. Great ambient composer, too.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 20:57pm


That is a very, very brief synopsis of my musical life.

Posted by dmg on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 20:59pm


Today is the deadline for the official ballots to arrive in the mail at the Rock Hall and be counted.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 04:58am


Well That was some interesting Posts about people's Musical listening backround. I was born wayyy back in 1965. So I guess that can often create a different Music backround. My Dad certainly did not grow Up with any Rock. He was a kid in the time of Glenn Miller and Charlie Parker along with lots of Classical. All the intense Rock Listening belongs to me.

So even somebody as far back as the Jefferson Airplane, Pink Floyd and the Moody Blues lies with lies with me. As I've said my favorite band is the Who. I love Neil Young Eric Clapton Jethro Tull,Chicago and most of the other hundreds of Classics. However I do love Blondie, The Cars and Talking Heads as well. I didn't go real far with New Wave but I do like some amount of Late 70s early 80s arena Rock like Journey and Heart
There is also some R&B like Stevie Wonder, Earth, Wind & Fire. The Spinners, War & Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes I like.

Now I would like to focus on this Year's Inductees. I am holding steady with my List of 70s Rock and 70s R&B. This does not mean that I will do this next year and other years. I'm hoping this Flushes out some Classics that have been snubbed before. Next year I may predict The Cure, Duran Duran and hey perhaps Black Flag as well as the Moody Blues. I heard Black Flag from a few friends. Did Black Flag do Rise Above? I have Classic Rock leanings but know that tune.

Now then each year I predict some artists I like and some I don't like much at all. I am no fan of Chic and Janet Jackson but I do see that they have a good chance. I just wanted to be clear about that. I originally predicted Nine Inch Nails months back before the Nominee list but when I saw the list I felt Nine Inch Nails had their chances reduced. This opens them up for next year. I will stay away from Next year.

So we are 2 days away from the big announcement. We will see what really happens.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 05:33am


There are only two days left before the big announcement of who will be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame in 2016.

Once again, my choices are:

1. Yes- my co-favorite band musically along with Rush. Yes has been described as the high priests of progressive rock. Did Rush's induction in 2013, have any lasting effect upon the nominations of other "prog" bands? The pending induction of Yes would seem to indicate that it had.

2. Deep Purple- another "prog" band who has changed their style over the past 45 years. I can certainly appreciate the diversity of their discography. If Deep Purple are inducted, I expect Lars Ulrich to be among the inductees.

3. Chicago- I think that this is an absolute travesty that Chicago had not been inducted earlier. When Chicago came out as a prog band last year, I was not surprised by their nomination.

4. The Spinners- a long overdue induction is definitely in order.

5. The Cars- I have never owned a single studio album by them, but I do own their greatest hits collection.

6. Steve Miller (Band)- his singles have been a mainstay of rock radio for over 4 decades.

7. Chaka Khan, aka Yvette Marie Stevens. I am hoping that her induction leads to the nomination of Sade.

If there are 8 inductees, I think that the J.B.'s have the best chance of being inducted for musical excellence.

Who else? Well, I was tempted to list Chic, but I think that Nile Rodgers and Brian Eno both deserve to be honored with the Ahmet Ertegun award. Also, Bernie Taupin should be inducted as a songwriter by Sir Elton John.

By the way Philip, I had read your insightful opinions on your Rock Hall Monitors Blog. I think that you did a great job with this year's list of nominees. Well done! I am just sorry that you do not like "prog."

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 08:50am


Prior to Rush's induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame in 2013, the members of Rush (Geddy and Alex) had listed four acts who had also deserved to be in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame: The Moody Blues, Yes, Deep Purple and King Crimson. If Yes and Deep Purple are inducted in 2016, I think that The Moody Blues will be the next "prog" group to be inducted alongside another much loved "prog" band who had been described erroneously as "synth pop": Duran Duran. What do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 09:05am


Enig,

Those are some nice posts. While it is true You are more into Prog than me I do like and support a bunch of them. My 3 Classic Rock choices as I've said so many times are Yes, The Cars and Chicago which we agree with. Also I predict Chaka Khan. I did list Chic because they Have been nominated so many times. I also have mentioned this so many times. Deep Purple is a maybe not an actual prediction by me.

Unlike Philip I do like some prog. I guess I partly like Prog. I admit I also have favs like The Who, Eric Clapton Grateful Dead and some J Geils Band. I like so much music. I am staying focused on the announcement coming

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 17:35pm


Future Rock Legends didn't predict Deep Purple.

I'M STILL STICKING WITH MY FINAL PREDICTION

THE 2016 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. Chicago
02. Deep Purple
03. Los Lobos
04. The Spinners
05. Steve Miller
06. Janet Jackson

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 18:36pm


Given a lot of thought about who might be inducted. Here's my best guess at who will be getting in.

Janet Jackson
Chicago
N.W.A.
Yes
Nine Inch Nails

If there are 6:

The Spinners or Chic

If there are 7:

Deep Purple

Award for Musical Excellence:

The JB's
Brian Eno (maybe that will remind the committee that they have ignored Roxy Music)

Non-Performer

Wolfman Jack (just grasping at straws with this one but it would be a nice pick for the oldies crowd)

Posted by Tom H. on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 19:27pm


Do artists who were inducted multiple times get multiple ballots? (Does Eric Clapton get to vote 3 times?)

Posted by dmg on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 20:32pm


"Do artists who were inducted multiple times get multiple ballots? (Does Eric Clapton get to vote 3 times?)"

I saw this answered somewhere within the past week or so. I can't remember exactly who answered it, but he said that everybody only gets one ballot.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 20:41pm


FINAL PICKS FOR 2016 INDUCTION:
Janet Jackson
N.W.A.
Chicago
Deep Purple
Nine Inch Nails
The Spinners if six

Reason I decided on this list are explained below:
*Janet: to complete the Jackson family trifecta and to put an exclamation point on Janet Jackson's incredible comeback.
*N.W.A.: due to the hype and success of the rumored Oscar-favored biopic.
*Chicago: the fan base's strong fight to get them in. A few days ago I wasn't sure of their induction but now I'm sure of it now. Cheap Trick will have to wait another year.
*Deep Purple: just mainly to get it over with and make Eddie Trunk a little pleased (but we know he'll be angry with some of the picks minus Chicago, he likes them)
*Nine Inch Nails: mainly because both Trent and Dr. Dre (N.W.A.) are business partners with Apple Music. I guess the only one to accept the induction would be Trent since he was practically the only one who worked on the NIN albums lol
*The Spinners: if they pick a sixth one, it would be an R&B group and it won't be Chic because Chic would be touring.

----
Yes won't get in even with Chris Squire's death but if the Spinners or Nine Inch Nails don't get in, they might be the last ones announced.

Chaka Khan won't get in.

Steve Miller's nomination was a mistake, not because he wasn't worth it (he sure is) but they should've nominated the STEVE MILLER BAND. That's gonna mess it up so he's out.

Chic will be touring so we'll see them for an 11th time unless the RRHOF inducts Nile and Bernard for the Ahmet Ertegun Award.

Los Lobos won't get in.

Neither will the Smiths. If The Cure ain't in yet, don't count on Morrissey whining about being inducted a'la John Lydon style (but without the humor of John's rant against the RRRHOF).

The Cars will get in, just not this year.

The J.B.'s will likely get in for Musical Excellence instead of as performers.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 23:28pm


Ben,

Thank you for the positive reinforcement. Yes, I do agree that Yes, The Cars and Chicago will be inducted also.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 01:03am


The leak starts at midnight!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 06:55am


Alright. Tomorrow is the day of the announcement. I always seem to be off in some way with this each year. I do have backups like Steve Miller if there is 7. He could end up in the 6 I figure. I will also say that despite not liking them N.W.A. could get pushed in. They are a Key Rap group. I do know that. I am keeping them outside my actual predictions. I am still saying no to Nine Inch Nails. Too many others I think that are more possible. So I am saying that N.W.A. is more possible.

I hold steady with my 6 predictions. They are all Classic. I'm going with that as what the Hall and the Voters have in mind. I may do one more post. Enig good seeing you on even towards the end of this wait. I think my choices are logical and make sense. Enig we have a lot of agreement in our predictions. One last time.

The Cars- It's been awhile for a New Wave act. This is a good opportunity for that.

Chic- This group has been nominated a record 10 times. Sooner or later I figure they would go in. This seems like a good time because it does bring diversity to the Class whether I like it or Not.

Chicago-It is a Tragedy they have not been Inducted earlier. They have many albums and hits. A key group of the 70s and since.

Janet Jackson- I am not a fan at all but she is a huge huge superstar. So like Madonna several years ago she seems like an easy choice for the Hall. A choice for the 80s as well as beyond.

Chaka Khan- This is a good R&B choice. As you said Enig this could lead to Sade. She leans towards the 80s but she did have some material in the 70s as well.

Yes- They were nominated before and missed. Yes have indeed been described as the High priests of Progressive Rock. They were a key group of Arenas in the 70s. The loss of Chris Squire increases their chances I would say.

As I said I was tempted to list Steve Miller. They are the 7th choice if there is 7. The Hall made mistake only nominating only Steve Miller and not the Steve Miller Band. Certainly very key in the 70s.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 08:59am


Great choices Tim and Ben. I posted my 6 choices last week and they were very similar to FRL's choices. My choices are Steve Miller, Janet Jackson, Chic, Yes, Chicago and N.W.A.

Ben, I think you have some great reasons for the 2016 Rock Hall ceremony. I think The Spinners probably have a better shot in the classic R&B category than Khan this year. Mainly because they've been nominated for the third time in recent years and had crossover appeal for pop and soul/R&B audiences. That definitely matters to voters and The Spinners are LONG overdue at this point. Khan would be an awesome female inductee this year but Jackson will probably get more votes and inducted (I think it's virtually a lock at this point). Jackson's induction will probably lead to a Whitney Houston (and then probably Mariah Carey the following year, remember it will be back in New York: her home state) next year.

Who does everyone think the Rock Hall will choose in the speciality categories this year? Early Influences? Musical Excellence? I'm going with 2 pioneering Hip-Hop producers for the Non-Performer Category: Rick Reuben and Russell Simmons. My reasoning is that the Rock Hall would want to induct them before shoe-in 90's Hip-Hop and Rap artist get enshrined (the likes of 2Pac, Notorious B.I.G. and Jay-Z). Both producers very much deserve the honors and have the Beastie Boys induct them. Plus the ceremony's in NYC which couldn't be a better location for their inductions, given the genre's development in the late 1970s and throughout the 1980s.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 09:40am


Roy,
I know you posted this in another trend on FRL but I think Chicago's induction would lead to a Journey or Bon Jovi nomination in the near distant future. Not akin to one another musically but mainly for their populist appeal to the mass voters. Bon Jovi was nominated in 2011 and will appear on another ballot soon. They were too popular to ignore and I'll probably predict another Bon Jovi nomination until they get a 2nd nomination. They will be a classic rock choice from the 1980s but with mass appeal.

I think the odds are much better for Journey if Chicago does indeed receive induction this year. Like Chicago, Journey were never critical darlings but any means. However, they both have a slew of classic songs in their catalogues. Journey has that anthem "Don't Stop Believing" in their catalogue, one of the definitive songs from the 1980s. Like Chicago, Journey is a populist choice for the voters and the critics will have to shallow their pride. This doesn't suggest I'd vote or support Journey if they received a nomination but it's plausible in the near-distant future.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 09:54am


A couple things:

1) As I said on my blog, I've altered my predictions to: Chicago, N.W.A. Janet Jackson, Cheap Trick, and Steve Miller (Chic if 6.) I put down the JBs as Musical Excellence, but really- if they were going to do that anyway, why even bother making them artist nominees? I ultimately think someone else will get chosen, but can't figure out who.

And yes- probably either Brian Eno or Rick Rubin as Non-Performers. Eno, especially, would bring in an A-lister like Bono in for the festivities.

2) I'd like to contribute, if I may, to the trend of posters explaining their musical background.

I'm roughly Donnie's age- I was born in 1983, which makes me 32, another millennial. But unlike many millenials, I was never really connected to my own generation's music. I've loved 60s and 70s material for a long time. My mom would play the local oldies station when she drove my brother and I to school. It was there that I found my first real musical milieu.

But I took 60s music fandom to a new level. I remember in 5th grade reading an age-appropriate biography of John Lennon, which sparked an obsession with The Beatles. I spent my early teenage years slowly compiling everything they did (happily, these years also coincided with the Live at the BBC and Anthology volumes.) In fact, for most of my early life, I was simply known as my school's "Beatles guy." My friends and I made Sgt. Pepper suits for Halloween my senior year of high school. As Salutatorian of my class, I gave a Beatles-themed speech during my graduation, and I was somewhat unhealthily convinced that I was even John Lennon's reincarnation.

But eventually, I began to explore other facets of the 60s and 70s. My parents' tastes were sound, but somewhat basic. My dad was a Pink Floyd and Moody Blues fan, while my mom preferred Simon and Garfunkel, John Denver, Peter Paul & Mary, and Carole King. My other favorites for that era quickly became radio-friendly artists with lots of top 40 hits, but deep back catalogs as well: Chicago, Elton John, Billy Joel, and CSN.

Yet, I felt removed from the 90s music of my era. I knew a bit of Top 40 material by osmosis, but when I was in high school, my only familiarity with the alternative music from that era- Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, and of course, Nirvana- was through Weird Al's polka medleys! This is maybe one reason why, when we ranked the top 100 songs of the 90s, I was a bit surprised at what songs contended for a spot. For me, the 90s were TLC, Mariah Carey, Boyz II Men, not Alice in Chains or Stone Temple Pilots.

Looking back, I wish I had more people who could have exposed me to a wider array of music earlier in life. I wish I had a Gen X uncle who could have played an album from The Smiths or The Cure when I was in high school. I wish I had a metalhead friend who could have gotten me to appreciate the nuances of Metallica or Ozzy earlier. Or an edgy feminist professor in college who could have gotten me plugged into the Violent Femmes or Siouxsie and the Banshees or something. Sometimes we meet the right people at the right moments in our life. Sometimes we don't.

What I can say is that my musical horizons have broadened tremendously over the last few years. FRL is a big part of that. When I first started, I was a monomaniacal Chicago fan who had never even heard of De La Soul or Paul Butterfield or Link Wray. By taking part in the rankings, listening carefully to songs other people nominated for the Song project, and figuring out the cases for different Rock Hall snubs, I learned an awful lot.

I also need to credit my wife. When we first started dating in 2010, she slowly got me into more indie music, some more politically charged material (Indigo Girls), and some fascinating contemporary artists I like a great deal- Janelle Monae, Sara Bareilles, Brandi Carlile, Sufjan, Mumford and Sons, and many others.

Ultimately, I now approach music a bit more ecumenically, and with far less certainty that the 60s and 70s were a lost golden age. I am a historian of the 1970s by profession (I will hopefully have a book on George McGovern published in the next couple years that will blow. your. mind) and like any good historian, I try to look at the world with an appreciation for how we got here, and the contexts and contingencies that influence the choices we make. Understanding the flux in black identity in the 1960s and 70s, for example, imparts a new level of appreciation for, say, Curtis Mayfield or EWF.

So, thanks to all of you for helping me out in my musical education.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 11:40am


Alex I didn't realize you published your predictions on your blog. Great choices as well. It's a shame Eno can't get on the Rock Hall ballot with Roxy Music yet. He might as well go in the musical excellence/non-performer category. I'll be checking on the blog later today. Usually I visit your blog vis FRL but I thought it was odd that you haven't been listed in the twitter feed at the top of the homepage the last couple of weeks. Keep up the great work on the blog, it's always insightful and well-argued.

Let us know when your George Mcgovern book gets published, I'll read it. History was one of my majors in college and I always had great interest in historical biographies.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 13:22pm


Thank you for your kind words, Nick.

Let me also put out a last minute theory: The Meters/Neville Brothers are going to get the Musical Excellence Award, which is why they weren't nominated this year. Instead, the JBs were nominated on a hopelessly competitive and stacked ballot as artists to pave the way for a future induction, either as artists or a backdoor Musical Excellence bid.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 14:56pm


My 'final' predictions.

1st, who I think they will choose:

Chic
Los Lobos
NWA
Chicago
Janet Jackson

If 6

The Smiths

If 7

Chaka Khan

I would choose:

The Cars
The Spinners
Deep Purple
NWA
The Smiths

If 6

Chicago

If 7

Steve Miller

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 15:38pm


Ok. This is my last post before the Big announcement. I told you all my Predictions for Inductees in 2016 Rock Hall class as Performers. I was just trying to think about the special categories. I am not so good at that. I don't have enough knowledge to predict the Early Influence. No clue. I tried thinking about Musical Excellence. I am a blank on that too just because I can't think of anyone. The best I could say is that it may perhaps be someone from the Same era as Ringo Starr for last year. I have no particular person in mind though. So I got nothing.

So this is it. We will know tomorrow who the actual Inductees are. I feel all the Inductees will be Classic in some way. There is my 3 Classic Rock choices and I feel Janet Jackson is kinda Classic too. She first became a star in the 80s and is part of the Jackson Family. So many people on here had some good lists even if they weren't all my choices. Enig with his Prog leanings I agree with a bit at times for sure. Nick, Roy, DarinRG, and so many other people that made good points. Ok. I'll talk to you all after the announcement. See ya later.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 16:12pm


My predictions:

Deep Purple
Chicago
Janet Jackson
Cheap Trick
N.W.A.

If 6:

Yes

If 7:

The Spinners

Who I'd choose:

Deep Purple
Cheap Trick
Janet Jackson
Chic
Chicago
Yes

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 16:27pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3OBw5iFthI

Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Announces Nominees | ABC News

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 17:31pm


My predictions (Prior to the possible Deep Purple Leak);

Cheap Trick
Janet Jackson
Los Lobos
N.W.A
Nine Inch Nails

If 6:

Chic

If 7:

Chicago

If the Deep Purple leak is correct, Predictions:

Cheap Trick
Deep Purple
Janet Jackson
Los Lobos
N.W.A

If 6:

Chic

If 7:

Chicago

Who I would choose:

Deep Purple
Janet Jackson
N.W.A.
Nine Inch Nails
The Smiths

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 17:38pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l3_pV8Ebt4

Rock Hall's Greg Harris talks 2016 nominees

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 17:46pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbh_SQIuh8Y

Who will be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2016?

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 17:50pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWSxKjVDkaw

2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees Announced

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 18:34pm


I've been following the RRHoF long enough to know that a prediction where you just draw 5 names randomly out of a hat has probably as much or even more chance of accuracy than a prediction that's well thought out and justified.

So, using a random number generator to pick I came up with:

Chaka Khan
Chic
Chicago
N.W.A
Yes

And a sixth spot backup of Nine Inch Nails. A class that's implausible enough to actually be a solid prediction.

I'm definitely on board personally with the Eno, Rubin and Simmons picks that I'm seeing for secondary categories, but they all seem a little too hip for me to actually feel comfortable predicting. With the rock Hall it could very well end up being some guy who sold popcorn at a Beatles gig in hopes that McCartney will show up for the ceremony.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 18:41pm


https://mobile.twitter.com/EddieTrunk?p=s

Eddie Trunk
@EddieTrunk
Follow
Various sources telling me Deep Purple have finally made the R&R HOF and that @cheaptrick also made it. Officially announced later tonight

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 19:25pm


THE 2016 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. Cheap Trick
02. Deep Purple
03.
04.
05.
06.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 19:38pm


Since Cheap Trick and Deep Purple seem to be a lock based on leaks, I'll go with this as my final prediction:

The 5 I'm feeling very strongly will be inducted.
1) Deep Purple
2) Cheap Trick
3) Chicago
4) Janet Jackson
5) NWA

The 6th spot, if there is one, is more difficult:

6) The Spinners or Chic or NIN, I'll go with The Spinners in an upset

I'd say it's 50/50 that the JB's get side-door entry in another category.

Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 21:25pm


Leaks out:

My new predictions before it comes out at 3 am:
1.) Deep Purple
2.) Cheap Trick
3.) Chicago
4.) Janet Jackson
5.) N.W.A.
6.) Nine Inch Nails or Spinners (if a sixth inductee is included)

Posted by Tim on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 21:47pm


Post-leak, I'll still hold to my guns. Hope I'm wrong, but for now:

Cheap Trick
Chicago
Deep Purple
Los Lobos
N.W.A
*Yes
**Nine Inch Nails

The J.B.'s for sidemen or musical excellence.

Posted by SotN on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 22:07pm


How awful if they really only induct 5.

Posted by DC on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 23:01pm


If what Eddie Trunk put out was true, then I must say it's a part-disappointment, part-blessing.

Pros:
-Chicago is finally in. Enough said.
-And so are the other four. Two of them it took the longest time to get nominated, and the other two the longest time to get inducted. N.W.A. was actually predictable.

Cons:
-ONLY 5 INDUCTEES!
-No women. To be fair, there were only two women nominated. I'm not one of those pc liberals that rallies for diversity, but you would think the RRHOF would have at least one woman representing the ballot?!
-For all you Chic lovers, it looks like they will be setting a new record. Need I say it?
-Some of those that were nominated now have to wait at a certain time and I guess I can say for all of them it will be more difficult to get in. This would have been a perfect year for NIN. Oh well....
-Say, what about the other categories? Like non-performer, sidemen, etc.....

All I gotta say for now...

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 23:23pm


Y'know, I don't hate any of those acts, it just really sucks about the lack of variety. Really don't want this to turn into the "White Guys Playing Guitars" Hall Of Fame.

Really hope Eddie Trunk is wrong. Hopefully they fed him false information so that he'll STFU.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 23:39pm


I'm pretty much of the same thinking. I can't begrudge or argue against any of these acts individually, but if true, this is an unfortunate class for the Rock Hall. Hopefully the secondary categories can add a little depth and diversity.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 23:59pm


I have the same thoughts as well when I heard about the Cheap Trick leak hours earlier. Even though they deserve induction, the only inductees that I'm okay with are Cheap Trick and N.W.A (which coincidentally both of them didn't make the top 5 on the official fan ballot).

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 12.17.15 @ 00:14am


You should join the Twitter conversation, Darin. Charles, Tom, and I are enjoying the what-the-frackery.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.17.15 @ 00:15am


I just tweeted somewhere about what an appropriate class this is for the Donald Trump era.

I'll head back over.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 12.17.15 @ 00:27am


Thanks for the suggestion, Philip. But sadly, I don't have a Twitter, and I'm not planning on making one for a little while. But you're tempting me to make one.

=======================

I just tweeted somewhere about what an appropriate class this is for the Donald Trump era.

I'll head back over.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 12.17.15 @ 00:27am

I really laughed at that one, Darin. It makes a little bit happy yet scared if that era is becoming reality.

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 12.17.15 @ 00:31am


I'm still waiting for the official announcement.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.17.15 @ 01:04am


To FRL

You sure were quick to take next year's inductees off the voting statistics page this year.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.17.15 @ 01:16am


FRL Regulars and Music Fans.

The 2016-2017 RRHOF Nominees starting to shape up after this week's 2016 Induction. Deep Purple's induction opens up the hard rock/metal slot to Bon Jovi and or Judas Priest. I think Bon Jovi will be inducted if nominated. The Prog slot could be YES returning plus Moody Blues. Janet and Nine Inch Nails will return in 2016. Look for the Induct Janet Jackson crowd to be back in full force. First time nominees Pearl Jam will be the slam dunk with Duran Duran and Bad Company as the 70's rock. Paul Rodgers should be in the Hall. The Cars should return with Chaka Khan this time with Rufus. My singer/songwriter would be Gordon Lightfoot. He's in his 70's and had a few health battles in recent years. It might be his time. My left field picks Peter Gabriel & Los Lobos hit last few years. Two I'm leaning towards are The Bangles & Black Crowes. Bangles had plenty of hits and Michele was in The Runaways one of the first all women rock groups. Plus there are cries for more quality woman artists in the Hall. The Black Crowes should take the blues rock slot and have a strong fan base. They appeal to many demographics. I'm hoping the Hall pairs Gram & Emmylou as a nominee. That would be a slam dunk pick for me. Who doesn't love Emmylou Harris?! I'd like to see Kool & The Gang receive a nomination after 50 years in the business. Crossing my finger on The Spinners but they might not return. Don't know what the RRHOF does with Chic. That's KING's 2 cents. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 12.19.15 @ 18:26pm


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/statistics.php

THE 2017 FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS HALL OF FAME

Bon Jovi
Pearl Jam
Jethro Tull
The Moody Blues
Whitney Houston
Janet Jackson

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.19.15 @ 18:54pm


With Janet's "Unbreakable" debuting at #1 (her seventh) and the album receiving rave reviews across the board, that should be enough for another nomination this year. She wrote and co-produced every track on the album. Janet's had a #1 album in the past four consecutive decades and only one of three artists to Achieve that feat. Any guesses on the other 2 artists?

Aside from Janet, it's pretty safe to pencil in Pearl Jam and 2Pac. Chic!? Sigh, I suppose they'll add them again.

It's time for The Cure and Kraftwerk to reappear. Maybe Bon Jovi? Pat Benatar? War could also make a return appearance.

There will be at least one other rap act on the ballot. It'll likely be LL Cool J or Eric B. & Rakim. I'd be happy with a De La Soul nod, or A Tribe Called Quest. PJ Havey is definitely on my radar and she's got the critical acclaim. The lack of major stateside success could limit her ballot chances, though.

Yes could make a return but I wouldn't bank on it. Another long shot is Depeche Mode, but that make me a very, very happy gal! Will they give a nod to Smashing Pumpkins?

Posted by Marissa on Tuesday, 01.12.16 @ 02:31am


I also glad to see some names that were long over due. Chicago, Steve Miller, Deep Purple are all well over due. I thought that NWA was an outside shot considering the other acts that there just a formidable but the glad the movie showed their talent. I would love to see Yes, Pat Benatar, Chic, ELO, Eric B and Rakim, Ben E King, Kraftwork (All the techno music they pioneered it), The Doobie Brothers, They are all deserving and should not continue to be overlooked. I am hoping they find a better way let the public's voice to hear instead of the critics. Alot of these groups music is sampled by the hottest artists today.

Posted by Cherie on Thursday, 01.14.16 @ 16:39pm


My suggestion for the 2017 Hall of Fame nominee ballot:

Big Mama Thornton
Chaka Khan
Dionne Warwick
Ella Fitzgerald
Gloria Gaynor
Janet Jackson
KoKo Taylor
Mary Wells
Nina Simone
Patti LaBelle
Queen Latifah
The Marvelettes
The Pointer Sisters
Tracy Chapman
Whitney Houston

This is most assuredly as perfect of a ballot as one can get.

Posted by dmg on Sunday, 01.31.16 @ 14:11pm


Add Pat Benatar and Sonic Youth (Kim Gordon) and that would be an awesome list of nominees.

Of course this is a long time away, but for 2017 I envision many overlooked artists to be nominated this time around. I expect to see more diverse choices here (aka less Classic Rock heavy); I'm listing 20 acts who I feel have the best chance (at this moment):

2Pac
Bad Company (Just announced new album=renewed interest and Paul Rodgers needs to be inducted soon anyway)
Bon Jovi
Chic
Electric Light Orchestra (Shocked they haven't received a single nomination given Jeff Lynne's friends with many HOFs)
Janet Jackson
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
Nine Inch Nails
Pat Benatar
Pearl Jam
The Cars
The Cure
The J. Geils Band (blues-rock choice after not being nominated again years ago)
The Smiths
The Spinners
War
Warren Zevon
Yes

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 01.31.16 @ 16:35pm


That's actually a great mental exercise, dmg. If you had to design the next ballot entirely out of female acts, what would that ballot be? Bonus if you can keep it all minorities. Mine? Just spitballing, not a definitive list:

1. The Marvelettes
2. Janet Jackson
3. Whitney Houston
4. The Crystals
5. Mary Wells
6. The Pointer Sisters
7. LaBelle (whole group including Blue Belles)
8. The Chiffons
9. Chaka Khan
10. Grace Jones
11. The Chantels
12. Mariah Carey
13. Jody Watley
14. Salt-N-Pepa
15. Lesley Gore (does being a member of the LBGT community count as minority?)

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 01.31.16 @ 16:40pm


Here's my stab at an all-female ballot:

1. Mariah Carey
2. Whitney Houston
3. Janet Jackson
4. Joan Baez
5. Nina Simone
6. Pat Benatar
7. Salt N Pepa
8. Carole King
9. Kate Bush
10. Indigo Girls
11. Siouxsie and the Banshees
12. Bjork
13. Tina Turner
14. Big Mama Thornton
15. Gloria Estefan & the Miami Sound Machine

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Sunday, 01.31.16 @ 17:29pm


Philip
Stumbled upon the thread of all Female ballot. Here's a 16 list from KING.
1.Natalie Merchant/10,000 Maniacs
2.Chaka Khan
3.Stevie Nicks
4.The Bangles
5.The Marvelettes
6.Pat Benatar
7.Sheryl Crow (Not eligible yet but my list)
8.Tina Turner (Solo)
9.Mary Welles
10.Janet Jackson
11.Mariah Carey
12.The Pointer Sisters
13.Annie Lennox/The Eurythmics
14.Charo
15.Whitney Houston
16.Barbara Streisand or Dionne Warwick

Posted by KING on Sunday, 01.31.16 @ 20:40pm


Very intrigued by the all female ballot wish-lists.
Here are some of mine....

The Marvelettes
Janet Jackson
Rufus feat Chaka Kahn
PJ Harvey
Kate Bush
Pat Benatar
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Bjork
Queen Latifah
Whitney Houston
Sade
Dolly Parton
Patsy Cline
Sonic Youth

Cher? Carly Simon?

Posted by Mike on Monday, 02.1.16 @ 02:04am


Ahh! Forgot solo Tina Turner. Yeah, I tried to keep it all (predominantly) minorities to also counter the heavily White class. Without that stress, Carole King and Pat Benatar would definitely have been on the list, and possibly Patsy, Cher, and Kate.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 02.1.16 @ 21:29pm


Here's my early list of 35 Nominees for 2016 Nomination And 2017 Induction.I will pare it down to 18 artists for Final List.
1.Black Crowes 2.Janet Jackson 3.The Spinners 4.Procol Harum 5.The Cure 6.Pearl Jam 7.Duran Duran 8.The Cars 9.Mariah Carey 10.Moody Blues 11.Lionel Richie/The Commodores 12.Stevie Nicks 13.Judas Priest 14.Kool & The Gang 15.X 16.Alice In Chains 17.J.Geils Band 18.Los Lobos 19.Pat Benatar 20.Rufus/Chaka Khan 21.Bad Company 22.Social Distortion 23.Bon Jovi 24.Gordon Lightfoot 25.The Association 26.LL Cool J 27.Emerson, Lake & Palmer 28.Gram/Emmylou 29.Def Leppard 30.Ben E.King 31.Soundgarden 32.Quicksilver Messenger Service 33.King's X 34.Queensryche 35.Iron Maiden. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 03.15.16 @ 01:39am


It is TIME to nominate Huey Lewis and the News 36 years together and over 19 top ten hits... Why have they not been nominated? .

Posted by Joy on Tuesday, 04.5.16 @ 00:49am


I am so tired of the lack of attention Jethro Tull has received all of these years from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They aren't even exclusively progressive rock. They have performed different genres including blues over the years. Let's face it, the snub is just the end result due to the rude and immature reaction by Metallica when he won a grammy all those years ago. Wrong category perhaps but a grammy long deserved! Here we are , years later still they are being snubbed by this organization. What a joke!

Posted by Donna on Friday, 04.8.16 @ 08:57am


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