The 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees
The 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were announced on Thursday, October 8th. The induction ceremony will be back in New York in April. Here are the 15 nominees.
- The Cars
- Chaka Khan
- Cheap Trick
- Deep Purple
- The J.B.'s
- Janet Jackson
- Los Lobos
- Nine Inch Nails
- The Smiths
- The Spinners
- Steve Miller
We made our ballot predictions here.
Future Rock Legends forecasts which of today's artists will be the next generation's Rock & Roll Hall of Famers by using a combination of historically predictive criteria, user votes, and nomination patterns.
Comments831 comments so far (post your own)
Nice list this year. It would be hard for me to pick which one will be inducted.
Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 02:02am
Los Lobos are a nice surprise. Didn't see that coming.
Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 02:33am
Just some early thoughts on the 2016 Nominees:
Posted by Nick on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 02:48am
Well there it is the 2016 Rock Hall nominees! I got some early thoughts on the 2016 Nominees.
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 05:16am
So they nominated Rufus with Chaka Khan in 2012, and now they are nominating Chaka Khan solo. What does this mean for Rufus in the future?
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 05:29am
Here is my predictions on what I think the Hall Of Fame Committee will pick
Posted by Kyle on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 06:09am
LOVE this list! Thoughts soon.
Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 06:55am
All I can say it's about fricking time. 5 r&b artist - they really are pushing it. They need to start putting in some folk and country. Maybe they will come through with the Carter Family as early influence.
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 07:34am
Chicago is at # 1 in the official Rock Hall Fan Poll!!! AND IT WILL STAY THAT WAY!!
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 07:35am
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 07:52am
Look at that Chicago made it to the Nominee list. It is well Known that they were one of the Best selling American groups of the 70s. Lots of albums lots of Hits. I am disappointed in my Boys Moody Blues but Chicago is fine enough for Now. They were a key Prediction of mine.
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 08:27am
I said it before, and I'll say it again, aside from a monster future inductee like Pearl Jam, The Cars have the best chance of ANYONE of being inducted. There's nobody else on the snubbed list that hits the sweet spot between classic rock favorites, critical support and artist respect that The Cars happens to do and I'll be downright flabbergasted if they somehow come up short.
Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 08:50am
4 of the nominees are from Chicago or have a Chicago connection.
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 08:55am
I miss the video the hall did a couple years ago to announce the nominees. I thought it was really cool. I was hoping they would bring that back.
Posted by Ry Guy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 08:55am
Also I think I know what happened to Singer/Songwriters this year. There is still fans on the Committee but I think this genre was indirectly affected by the Nom Com change. A lot of those artists are from the 70s. As far as I know it was the Oldest ones let go. Now Follow this. I am sure that Genre will return Next Year perhaps. You see following the Change new guys Tom Morello and Quest Love got more power and influence. Morello I am sure supported Deep Purple. Quest Love with Chic Janet Jackson perhaps, NWA. Then of course the older guys like Wenner and Van Zant along with the other older ones went for Cheap Trick Chicago Jbs and Steve Miller. Just be clear Van Zant probably didn't pick Chicago. Other older Guys.
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 08:58am
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:14am
Looks like my Baba Booey / Meg Griffin interpretation was correct, 3 of the 5 Baba Booey mentioned (Chicago, Cheap Trick, NWA) are on. I was also correct in Todd Rundgren, New York Dolls, and Warren Zevon not being on based on the conversation.
Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:18am
Who I'd like to see get in:
Posted by Ian on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:20am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:24am
I absolutely LOVE this ballot.
Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:25am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:28am
I guess you could say Chicago takes the singer-songwriter spot!
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:44am
Janet Jackson has shot up to second place on the fan ballot, right behind Chicago.
Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:45am
What a list!
Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:46am
Shame no Joe Cocker given his recent passing.
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:47am
Forgot to mention
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:49am
I'd be all for the J.B.'s getting the "Musical Excellence" award, as that's exactly what they should get. They definitely deserve recognition. Just not as a "Performer" inductee. That's probably what will end up happening. Good call Steve.
Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:51am
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:52am
My personal five winners from this list"
Posted by danny on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 09:53am
Donnie, she is at the top again. The Jackson family must have hired more pros. Are her numbers going down here?
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:08am
Here's my annual rundown of the nominees, with info on how long they've been eligible and what number nomination this is for them. A number of the nominees have been eligible for some time- especially The Spinners.
Posted by JR on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:10am
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:15am
7AM here on the West Coast, and I wake up from a sleep riddled with dreams of the nominees being announced, and they're loaded with acts I've never heard of, or barely heard of. Fortunately, that's not the case here.
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:23am
I was hoping for a special committee inducting all the neglected backing groups, but instead I get another neglected backing group.
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:25am
Chicago's drummer, Danny Seraphine, and David Hawk Wolinski of Rufus and Chaka Khan wrote Street Player for the 1978 Rufus and Chaka Khan Street Player album. Chicago recorded their version of Street Player a year later on Chicago 13. Rufus and Chaka Khan also appeared on a few Chicago albums. It sucks that Seraphine and Wolinski won't be reuniting at the Rock Hall induction ceremony. It also seems a little fishy that Chicago and Chaka Khan are on the same ballot and Rufus is left off after being nominated in 2012 as Rufus with Chaka Khan. Chaka Khan also had a hit single with Peter Cetera in 1992 - Feels Like Heaven, from Peter Cetera's World Falling Down album. There was also a music video for the song.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:27am
Wow. What a slate of nominees. The first draft of my thoughts:
Posted by AlexVoltaire on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:34am
Roy, Are you sure about who wrote Street Player? I thought it was Danny and Hawk.
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:46am
That's what I said: Danny Seraphine and David Hawk Wolinski wrote Street Player. Wolinski was a member of Rufus, but not an original member.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:49am
Ok. It's later in the day. I have decided who I am predicting for the 2016 Rock N'Roll Hall of Fame. It is a very interesting Ballot. I do agree that it can easily be all Classic Rock. Ultimately, I also don't think that will Happen. I thought it over carefully. Janet Jackson could be a Shoe in. Her Brother Michael was a more sure thing when he went in but I can see it for sure. She was one of my Back ups. However Perhaps NWA are skipped over to still keep in mind the Classic Back log. Chaka Khan I agree has a great amount of Critical respect. She is somewhat mellower than the others. Since there is no actual Singer/Songwriter The Hall could easily go with her. I'm also agreeing that Nine Inch Nails may be passed over again this year in favor of Older Rock bands. They are the only 90s band but they have so many 70s bands in their way.
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 10:54am
The only R&B-related nominee that has a chance is Janet Jackson. The RRHOF took all of the Rock-related acts that the fans have been complaining about for years, and put them ALL on the ballot in the SAME YEAR. That move just may shut out ALL the R&B acts.
Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:04am
Roy, you also listed Chaka Khan, which is what I was questioning.
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:21am
All I can say for now is....HOLY CRAP!
Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:22am
They should just put Chic in for "Musical Excellence" and be done with it. It's obvious that they want them in. It's also obvious that the voters will never put them in. It's probably the ONLY way they'll ever GET in.
Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:23am
FRL fans & regulars
Posted by KING on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:26am
I have a theory why Chic will get inducted in 2016: They will not finish in the fan ballot (as they have in recent years). I doubt anyone will argue The JB's and Los Lobos will finish in the bottom two of the fan ballot. Thus Chic will not finish dead-last, that dramatically increases their chances for an induction; because the Rock Hall can now see there is at least some fan support (no matter how minimal it might be). Plus Chic is long deserving and should be inducted to make way for newer nominees. After all, this is Chic's 10th (!) nomination.
Posted by Nick on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:28am
I have a theory why Chic will get inducted in 2016: They will not finish last in the fan ballot (as they have in recent years). I doubt anyone will argue The JB's and Los Lobos will finish in the bottom two of the fan ballot. Thus Chic will not finish dead-last, that dramatically increases their chances for an induction; because the Rock Hall can now see there is at least some fan support (no matter how minimal it might be). Plus Chic is long deserving and should be inducted to make way for newer nominees. After all, this is Chic's 10th (!) nomination.
Posted by Nick on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:31am
Los Lobos has a new album out and its currently at #153 on this week's chart. Yeah I know, it had nothing to do with the nomination. I just happened to read the Nominees article on Billboard, that's how I know ;)
Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:37am
THE 2016 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES WHEN VOTING FOR SENIORITY
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:42am
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:50am
Roy, you also listed Chaka Khan, which is what I was questioning.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 11:51am
Chaka Khan sang backup vocals on "Take Me Back to Chicago" which appeared on "Chicago XI" the last album with founding guitarist Terry Kath.
Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 12:08pm
Chaka Khan sang backup vocals on "Take Me Back to Chicago" which appeared on "Chicago XI" the last album with founding guitarist Terry Kath.
Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 12:08pm
Roy, I get you now. You were referring to the group and not the person. Thanks for clarifying.
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 12:21pm
Chicago is # 1 in the Rock Hall poll!
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 12:48pm
Steve Miller - should be elected if only for lyrics like big ole' Jed had a line-up, tick tock tick do do doo-doo and made up words like pompatus
Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 13:08pm
One of the fun things about this day, year after year, is bashing the Nom Com for boneheaded choices. I can't do that this year. I would not be upset if any of these 15 get in. This is one of the best ballots I've seen in years. I do have my preferences, of course, but all are worthy. Quick rundown and then my ballot and then my prediction:
Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 13:46pm
One thing I enjoy every year is reading the OMG I'M MAD posts by "fans" on the Hall's FB page. They never get it. They cry and complain every single year, and yet they come back. Why? Even when a band they like gets a nod, they have to complain about other acts they don't like.
Posted by dmg on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 13:57pm
Funny. Read the Chicago bio on the Rockhall site and there is no mention of the 80's at all.
Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 14:06pm
Difficult year, but I have voted for the following five artists on the Rolling Stone website:
Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 14:40pm
I just want to say that if it were up to me it would be all Classic Rock. Not just half. It can easily be The Cars, Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller and Yes. That can easily happen but not likely. There is the Quest Love influence and the Hall's general desire for some Diversity. So that is why Go with Half Classic Rock and Half R&B.
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 15:29pm
I actually find this to be one of the most boring ballots of all time...a lot of mid-tier classic rock and R&B acts that I could care less for coupled with a nice surprise like The Smiths that have no shot at really getting in. Of those that actually can be inducted, Chic/N.W.A./Nine Inch Nails are all incredibly deserving, but I'm also not much of a fan of any of those artists although I will cop to having that "Chic and related productions" box set from a few years back and I certainly love it.
Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 16:35pm
While it's great that this classic rock backlog will likely be dealt with (I see at least four of those six nominees getting in, regardless), it could potentially totally backfire in the Hall's faces. Imagine if Janet Jackson or Chaka Khan make it in while acts like Deep Purple and Yes don't...you'll never hear an end to the grumbling from the rockists out there.
Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 16:38pm
Cheap Trick - always seemed like a borderline candidate to me, still do
Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 17:10pm
KING - Great guess on Los Lobos (yeah, you deserve bonus points). It'll be interesting to see how they fare considering how well respected they are by their peers.
Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 17:28pm
Seen two of these nominees live (I'm trying to see as many RRHOFers live as I can, and I'm up to almost 35). I saw NIN a decade ago as I've always liked him. Chicago I saw back in July when they were with Earth, Wind & Fire. I almost saw Cheap Trick at the Illinois State Fair five years ago, but their set was cancelled due to rain. Blondie opened for them. Janet Jackson's coming to my city at the end of the month, so I hope I can still get tix to see her live before (I believe) her eventual induction.
Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 18:05pm
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 18:35pm
Good list. Sadly, two of the really deserving ones (NIN and The Smiths) have no chance of induction. By the way, you old time rock fans got a favorable ballot. Happy now?
Posted by Sam on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 18:42pm
I'm a little miffed at the lack of modern representation, I feel like the voters won't want to vote for acts like Nine Inch Nails or NWA because their peers are there. It's a shame because while Chicago is deserving, I feel like Nine Inch Nails and NWA are even more so.
Posted by dank on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 18:50pm
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 18:50pm
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 18:51pm
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 18:58pm
"Sadly, two of the really deserving ones (NIN and The Smiths) have no chance of induction." -Sam
Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 19:09pm
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 19:30pm
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 19:34pm
Janet is now in the #1 spot.
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 19:40pm
The photo for the Cars on the Rock Hall site got changed. I should make them change the Chicago photo. Every other band got an up-close photo of their faces except for Chicago and J.B.'s.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 19:48pm
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 20:01pm
No Zuzu, "rockist" was the right term to use... it refers to people whose definition of rock 'n' roll is the extremely narrow version that demands full bands that are predominantly guitar-driven. It's just plain wrong. That's only a part of what rock'n'roll is. The music of Janet Jackson is also part of it. Get used to it.
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 20:24pm
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 20:40pm
I want this to be the year of Classic Rock with Chicago The Cars Cheap Trick Deep Purple Yes and Steve Miller all inducted with NWA as a backup due to the success of their flim I want this to happen so it would open the door to 80s rock bands like Bon Jovi and Def Leppard to follow in the next few years as much as I love Janet Jackson and her music if she wins the fan vote over these Classic Rock Bands I am gonna be pissed shes more of a pop/R&B artist(not a rock artist) and her induction would only open the door for other female pop/R&B artists like Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey to follow in her path and getting inducted in the next few years
Posted by richie on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 20:50pm
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 20:59pm
Janet Jackson IS rock and roll. The rhythmic structures of her songs are closer to the original rhythmic structures of old school rock 'n' roll. Y'know, since music genres are defined by their RHYTHMIC STRUCTURES and not by their lead instruments. But hey, I'm just stating the obvious. And disco is rock and roll too, even in the rockist sense. I'll put the guitar solo from Donna Summer's "Hot Stuff" against the guitar solo from pretty much any Cheap Trick song (nothing against Cheap Trick either, they are rock 'n' roll too). R&B is part of rock'n'roll. Disco is part of rock'n'roll. Metal is part of rock'n'roll. Rock'n'roll ain't noise pollution, and it isn't just guitars wailing either.
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 21:34pm
"Again rockist is the wrong term."
Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 21:53pm
After Chicago .... The Steve Miller Band is the second best selling artist on the nominees list. And for that reason I think Miller along with Chicago are locks for induction.
Posted by Joe-Skee on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 21:59pm
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:15pm
Disco and Janet are much closer to early r&r than acts like Megadeth or REO Speedwagon. R&B and R&R were so strongly intertwined that for awhile, the terms WERE synonymous. Doo-wop IS rock'n'roll. Just as sure as rockabilly, soul, surf, and Chuck Berry.
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:45pm
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Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:48pm
What's with all the proud displays of racism? Most rockists at least try to hide it.
Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:53pm
I will have a lot to say about the past 24 hours. In an ironic twist of fate, these past three days involved me needing to replace my iPhone 6 due to a bad antenna; then having my car be totaled the next day due to accidentally bumping the back of a small school bus; I will not get into the details, just to say I and my family are fine and my family and I purchased a new Toyota today. Incidentally, this has kept me from finding the time to present my ballot for this week's Album and Song Project elections. This will be different next week; I am NOT missing the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project election for anything.
Posted by Lax32 on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:56pm
But in all seriousness, I LOVE that you're going on about a term being offensive while then turning on a dime and flipping off the "gangbangers."
Posted by DC on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 22:57pm
R & B is part of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame....get used to it! Look at all of the 50s doo wop and 60s Motown groups that were already inducted, sometimes back to the earliest classes from the late 80s. Janet is just a continuation along that line. As someone else mentioned, I thought this site was a bit of a haven from the rockist mentality that shows up all too often, but maybe not any more.
Posted by Boar on Thursday, 10.8.15 @ 23:09pm
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Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 00:08am
It is only your opinion that disco separated from rock'n'roll. Disco evolved largely out of soul music. With a more solid backbeat, a more ROCKIN' beat, disco became the powerhouse it was. It is most definitely a part of rock and roll. R&R stayed paired tightly with R&B through the British Invasion (remember, when the British acts first came over, they were playing blues and R&B records when they started. The Rolling Stones maintained a bluesy sound for a large part of their career and did songs that were at home in the discos such as "Miss You" and "Undercover Of The Night." Fusion, not separation.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 00:15am
That's why you need to pay attention to Weird Al, Darin... he recorded a song in which he backmasks "Satan eats Cheez Wiz." Clearly evil
Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 00:20am
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Posted by KING on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 04:51am
Posted by KING on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 04:53am
So I want to talk about the Voting Body for the 2016 Rock Hall. How would Elton John vote for instance. He would vote for ones like Chicago and the Spinners perhaps. There is Older Inductees older than Him that can Vote. I seriously doubt the guys in Lovin Spoonful would Vote for Deep Purple. I know Steve Tyler or the Guys In GnR surely will Vote for Deep Purple but I don't think the guys in Steely Dan or Dr John would. Bill Withers would probably Vote for ones like Chaka Khan and the Spinners.
Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 05:41am
I think if Chaka Khan is inducted, the Rock Hall will induct Rufus in the Musical Excellence category and Ashford and Simpson in the non-performers category the same year.
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 06:08am
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Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 07:54am
Chicago is # 1 in the Rock Hall and FRL polls!! And I only voted once!
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 08:03am
I know it's VERY early but does it seem strange that last year Nine Inch Nails finished second in fan voting, yet as of this post they have fewer votes than The J.B.'s and are in fact dead last??
Posted by Greg on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 09:14am
Ah, Roy you never disappoint. Roy just posted:
Posted by Dezmo meannd on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 09:39am
What the hell is going on with Nine Inch Nails in this year's fan ballot??? How could they end up in 2nd place in last year's ballot and dead last as of this writing? Maybe the classic rock acts are taking away votes from Nine Inch Nails but still I'm a little confused. Why aren't the Trent Renzor fans coming in droves in the likes of Chicago, Janet Jackson, Yes and The Cars?? I figured The JB's and Los Lobos would finish last. There goes my theory that they will be in the top 5 for the fan ballot the way things are going.
Posted by Nick on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 10:43am
KING, I only got six sadly. Almost did include Janet, but I figured the campaign would need another year or two finally stir the NomCom into putting her name on the ballot. Chicago is a name we bandied about here on the forum, but it didn't ultimately seem plausible. Cheap Trick, Cars, JBs, Los Lobos, just plain didn't see coming, at least not until Little Steven was tweeting about Cheap Trick. Smiths I figured would be part of the pattern for post-punk acts so far, and the Spinners... I was just afraid to get my hopes up only to have them dashed again.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 12:29pm
LAST YEAR'S FINAL TALLY!
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 13:15pm
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Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 13:33pm
You all hear that? That's the sound of a mic being dropped by Philip.
Posted by Greg on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 14:35pm
The top vote getter last year had 18 million votes. Chicago is on the verge of crossing 6 million in two days.
Posted by Greg on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 15:30pm
Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 15:31pm
Philip is here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and he's all out of bubblegum,
Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 16:51pm
Chicago is the all-time best selling act and highest Billboard charting act on this year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot. It makes sense that they are number one in the official Rock and Roll Hall of Fame fan poll and the Future Rock Legends poll because this is Chicago!
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 16:54pm
"This will be the last 'Heinz 57' catchup ballot for awhile when several first-balloters could eventually get in the next few years (PJ, Alanis, Radiohead, Beck, etc)."
Posted by Sean on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 16:59pm
And I am referring to Alanis as a one-album wonder critically. I know she was still popular after that, but so was Boston, who is also a one-album wonder only critically but had other hit albums after that, so I think the point still stands.
Posted by Sean on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:00pm
As far as The NIN question, after poking around the internet a bit it seems that a large bulk of NIN and Smiths fans don't even know this is happening.
Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:10pm
How is Cheap Trick polling at sub 1% when the rest of the classic rock acts are all at 15%? Everybody's just voting for the other five and ignoring them? That's what's blowing my mind more than NIN.
Posted by Sean on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:16pm
A Rockist's Wet Dream
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:19pm
I think the thing is that NIN/The Smiths fans don't care. Classic rock fans do.
Posted by dank on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:23pm
3 of the 15 nominees for the 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame are in the Top 10 on Future Rock Legends Most Votes list:
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:25pm
What are you talking about? Deep Purple is nominated.
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:27pm
Yeah, that one is interesting, too. In general Cheap Trick seems to have a broader cross genre appeal than the other 70s nominees, so I'm surprised by the low vote total. It's clearly one demographic hitting the poll hard right away.
Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:28pm
"I think the thing is that NIN/The Smiths fans don't care. Classic rock fans do."
Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:30pm
I was only referring to Kraftwerk there.
Posted by dank on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 17:37pm
Does anyone remember what year the Rock Hall start the fan poll? Was it 2010 for the 2011 induction, 2011 for the 2012 induction, 2012 for the 2013 induction? If you have images of the final vote tallies please post them.
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 20:44pm
2013 ceremony, always remember that was the year Rush swept the fan ballot. Rush, Kiss and Stevie Ray Vaughan all finished first in the fan ballot and was inducted that year. If that trend continues, Chicago will have an even stronger chance getting inducted this year (they are currently #1 on the fan ballot).
Posted by Nick on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 20:55pm
2013 ceremony, always remember that was the year Rush swept the fan ballot. Rush (2013), Kiss (2014) and Stevie Ray Vaughan/Double Trouble (2015) all finished first in the fan ballot and was inducted those years. If that trend continues, Chicago will have an even stronger chance getting inducted this year (they are currently #1 on the fan ballot).
Posted by Nick on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 20:57pm
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 20:59pm
Ok, now that the initial excitement is down, can we talk about how stupid it would be to induct Steve Miller without his "band?" Every single one of the albums, including the ones with their biggest or most memorable tracks are listed as "The Steve Miller Band." The only one that did not was 1988's "Born 2 B Blue."
Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 21:06pm
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 21:17pm
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 21:56pm
It has been a little under 48 hours since the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee announced the 15 artists/bands that are up for induction for 2016. This does not include who will be honored as Non-Performers, Early Influences or the Award for Musical Excellence. Bear in mind it is possible like last year that the biggest headlining inductee could go in through the back door, if you will. Such is how Ringo Starr got inducted last year. Now, onto my focus on the nominees this year.
Posted by Lax32 on Friday, 10.9.15 @ 22:31pm
I will Move on very Soon. I just show a few more examples. I am playing Bob Dylan at this moment. It occurred to me who he may Vote for. He is one of the Oldest Inductees. He is personally diverse. It is Hard to say with Good Old Bob. I think perhaps as a Guess. Chicago, The JBs and Steve Miller. He would remember Steve Millers Blues which I know he likes. Older guys like Johnnny Cash rest in Peace have come to know Nine Inch Nails. So that's possible. Now Neil Young another great Old Inductee could Vote for the Cars Chicago and maybe even Deep Purple. He has supported Harder Rock at times. You never know. I don't how many the Voters get to Vote for. It's all speculation. I am saying based on the Voting body Deep Purple may not get enough Votes. Even Neil may Vote for them. I don't think that enough in the Voting Body would Vote for them or Cheap Trick. It's not so likely that the Lovin Spoonful guys James Taylor or Jackson Browne would vote for Deep Purple. There is a lot of Inductees of different types that get to Vote. Ok I'm done with this point.
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 07:52am
Ben, I understand what you are saying. I was just saying to be careful. On Neil Young, for instance, I don't know the man, but he is my favorite artist so I have read a lot about him. I know, for instance, that Neil is a big fan of Kraftwerk. You might not guess that by just listening to his music (other than 'Trans'). But I bet when Kraftwerk was on previous ballots, Neil probably voted for them. I guess I'm just saying don't assume just because a certain artist mostly plays a certain type of music that they would automatically vote for similar sounding artists. That is what Roy had done so maddenly in the past. Fortunately he seems to have backed off that practice.
Posted by Dezmond on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 08:27am
On Los Lobos. They are still a longshot, but not as much of a longshot as many of you think. The casual listeners out there probably just remember "La Bamba." But they actually have a long and deep catalogue. But more importantly, they are very respected in the industry (aka, the voters). They (and separately, the members of Los Lobos) have worked with a lot of artists. That helps too.
Posted by Dezmond on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 08:32am
Oh no, the Cars have taken over Chicago in the poll!
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 08:55am
The top 5 on the fan vote are probably the most populist acts on the ballot: The Cars, Chicago, Yes, Deep Purple, and Steve Miller (Band). I like these artists so don't get me wrong but this fan ballot is really out-of-hand. It makes sense to me why those would appeal to various classic rock fans but this fan ballot is totally out-of-control and I don't think I get take it seriously this year. Think about it, the top 5 have 12 Million votes each, then the next artist Janet Jackson has 7 Million votes and then the rest of the artists have between 750,000 and 140,000 votes each. People are obviously voting multiple times for their favorite artists and this isn't even close at this point between the top 5 and the other 10 artists. Personally I think it takes the fun and integrity of the fan ballot.
Posted by Nick on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 10:22am
Roy, I did improve my Point that Bob Dylan could vote for Nine Inch Nails. Seems opposite but they are Revolutionary and he's Revolution. Neil Young could vote for Deep Purple even though most of his Various albums are totally different. He has supported Hard Rock at times. Stevie Nicks could vote for Deep Purple and perhaps the Cars. It doesn't show up in F Mac's music but I think I read she likes some Hard Rock and New Wave herself. Nine Inch Nails may b too extreme for her so less likely.
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 10:52am
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 12:01pm
Lax32, Donnie and Nick,
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 13:17pm
I don't know how to whip up a bot to get Chicago back at # 1.
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 13:36pm
Chicago is back at # 1 now!
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 13:39pm
To Nick, Ben and Zuzu
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 13:59pm
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 14:08pm
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 14:44pm
I had need to rewrite this:
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 14:47pm
I'm torn on this. On one hand, I love all the acts that received little or no recognition in the past (Chicago, Deep Purple, etc.) finally showing up here. As others have noted, no singer-songwriters could lead to something pretty interesting.
Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:01pm
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:02pm
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:04pm
I had definitely needed to rewrite this:
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:05pm
Of the nominees, I'll list them in the order that I like them...
Posted by Donnie on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:06pm
The Beach Boys and the Bee Gees sang back-up on a couple of Chicago albums in the 70s.
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:07pm
Posted by Dezmond on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:28pm
Alice Cooper has long been advocating for Deep Purple, so I'm pretty he'll throw a vote towards Deep Purple. I also remember back in the early 2000's when VH1 did their 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock countdown, he talked positively about Yes, so I would assume he would vote for them as well.
Posted by Donnie on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:29pm
Zuzu, you missed the point I made before. Right I understand that the masses are "getting their point across" with the top 5 on the ballot, but how can you take this fan ballot seriously now? The point that I made was that the fan ballot loses a lot of integrity when classic rock fanboys are constantly casting vote after vote for the same 5 acts. It isn't even a fair contest giving the differences are now in the millions. It was fun to cast and constantly check how the fan ballot was doing the last couple of years, now it's at a standstill and it seems very, very unlikely any of the other 10 nominees can come close to catch up. This all stems from the Rock Hall not limiting the number of times a person can vote from their device. There are no hackers; rather, it's unlimited voting this year. Maybe the Rock Hall is doing this because the fan ballot really doesn't matter in the long run (just 1 ballot of the 800+ ballots). The 3 previous years they controlled and monitored the number of times someone can vote for the fan ballot. This is just getting ridiculous now. Kudos to FRL for not having such a skewed voting system.
Posted by Nick on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:42pm
Now wait a minute Dezmond. Don't I get any credit? ;)
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 15:51pm
Posted by Nick on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 16:08pm
15. Los Lobos (the band I know the least of, although I like some of the songs on the How Will the Wolf Survive? album, as well as the La Bamba soundtrack. Most of their earlier work is in Spanish, and as much as I hate to say it, I have a hard time enjoying music sung in foreign languages. I know that's bad, but I just can't help it).
Posted by Dezmond on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 16:13pm
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 16:18pm
Zuzu, there are no hackers; it's unlimited voting from any device and thus no restrictions. It's just that simple. I did say that FRL has a 1-vote limit per device. I guarantee the Rock Hall is doing this to say they had "x" amount of votes this year; I guarantee it. Why else would they allow it?
Posted by Nick on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 16:24pm
I'll take that back, maybe there are hackers at play in this year's fan ballot. The Rock Hall needs to address this issue.
Posted by Nick on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 17:01pm
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 17:05pm
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 17:47pm
What I'm most surprised about is that there are none of the "recently departed" acts among the nominees. I would not have been surprised to see Lesley Gore, and I am very surprised not to see Joe Cocker and Ben E. King.
Posted by Joe on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 18:20pm
Posted by dmg on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 18:57pm
dmg - I like the captcha idea. There's no point having a fan poll that's so easily rigged. This is truly shameful.
Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 19:29pm
"But the funny thing is, the vast majority of Los Lobos' songs are in English. And much of it is straight rock and roll, not just the Hispanic music influence. In fact, several of their albums are very experimental. Again, I refer you all to KIKO. An amazing album. You should all check it out. In my Top 10 albums of all time." - Dezmond
Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 19:33pm
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 19:37pm
Posted by dmg on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 21:20pm
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.10.15 @ 21:58pm
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 05:32am
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 05:33am
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 05:34am
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 05:36am
The last thing I'll say about the Voting Body is I heard that Bill Clinton is one of the Voters. Has anyone heard that. Well. Who will the former President Vote for? This is not political. He is a Music lover. He will most definitely Vote for Chicago. It is very Clear that hands down they should be an Inductee. Clinton may also Vote for Deep Purple and Steve Miller Band. He is an early Baby Boomer. He will probably Vote the way lots of other Bay Boomers do. I mean He could vote for Chaka Khan also from the 70s era into the 80s. I thought I read Voters get to Vote for 3. Not sure.
Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 05:38am
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 06:08am
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 06:10am
Posted by Nick on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 09:39am
"I will update my Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction speech for Chicago to include the result of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame official fan poll."--Roy
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 10:33am
It doesn't matter. The fan vote only counts as one extra vote for each one of the acts that finishes in the top five. It won't make a difference anyway. Chicago is going to win and it makes sense because they are the highest billboard charting act on this year's nominees list. The Chicago fans are out in full force. Chicago is this year's Beatles, Rolling Stones, Beach Boys and Bee Gees.
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 19:42pm
So I have a question. Do all the members go in for these groups. Chicago has had soo many members over the Years. I am certain You can give an opinion on that Zuzu.
Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 20:49pm
FRL Fans & Regular Posters
Posted by KING on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 21:46pm
Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10.11.15 @ 22:59pm
Posted by KING on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 03:13am
Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 08:19am
So I have a question. Do all the members go in for these groups. Chicago has had soo many members over the Years. I am certain You can give an opinion on that Zuzu.
Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 08:55am
The 6 degrees of Rush separation posts are the best, keep them coming, they always make me smile.
Posted by Classic Rock on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 09:32am
Thank you KING, Ben and SoTn,
Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 09:34am
Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 09:40am
Radio.com is in error about Peter Cetera singing the lead on Wishing You Were Here. Peter Cetera sang the bridge and backround harmonies with Beach Boy members. It was Terry that sang the lead on this song.
Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 10:09am
Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 10:24am
Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 10:55am
I am going to start off by saying there is no way in hell The J.B.'s, Los Lobos or the Smiths are getting inducted in 2016. Chicago is definitely going to be inducted in 2016. Chicago is this year's Beatles, Rolling Stones, and Beach Boys on the ballot. Chicago is the top selling and highest Billboard charting act on the nominees list this year. They will win the Rock Hall's fan poll and win the votes of the Rock Hall committee and past inductees. Here are my 6 predictions for the 2016 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction ceremony:
Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 12:51pm
Only nominated acts we have not inducted into our Rock Hall Revisited/Projected are
Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 12:53pm
Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 13:59pm
Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 15:19pm
Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 16:30pm
Chic and Chicago in the same year! I had a feeling this was going to happen!
Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 16:58pm
I was wrong about Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass being Hispanic. They did help create other Latin acts.
Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 17:05pm
Michael Jackson was first accused of child molestation in 1993. The Jackson Five were inducted in '97. TheHall of Fame doesn't careabout this sort of thing. They inducted a guy who married his 13 year old niece in its first class, for crying out loud. I would be highly surprised if they won't pick Janet for the behavior of her brother, who has been inducted twice and practically has been deified since his death.
Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 19:04pm
So I guess I fall somewhere in the middle. I anm not a fan at all. I question her innovativeness but the Hall will feel she is and plus she is part of the Jackson family. So for those reasons I think she'll be Inducted. I do think Chaka Khan will be inducted too and she is Innovative and is a talented Vocalist. These 2 will block some Classic Rock. As a result it won't be All Classic Rock.
Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 20:27pm
If we get an all Classic Rock class with Chicago The Cars Cheap Trick Deep Purple Yes and Steve Miller would it that open the door to other Classic Rock acts like ELO Jethro Tull The Moody Blues.etc or heavy metal bands like Iron Maiden Judas Priest.etc or Arena Rock/80s Hair-metal bands like Journey Bon Jovi Def Leppard.etc or 80s rock bands like The Cure Duran Duran Depeche Mode.etc
Posted by richie on Monday, 10.12.15 @ 21:11pm
Posted by KING on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 01:29am
Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 02:33am
Thank you KING, Ben and SoTn,
Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 02:55am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 03:03am
(sigh) I really am not looking forward to posting this since predicting a class from this list is going to suck, but...here we go:
Posted by SotN on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 04:21am
So I guess I'm not a Rockist altogether anyway. I like the Spinners quite a bit. I have their Gr Hits. I was playing it in the Car. I play all the nominees I own after an announcement.
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 05:34am
Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 06:34am
Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 08:02am
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 08:15am
Why would the Rock Hall have a list of 15 potential nominees to only induct 5 performers? This makes NO sense given this will only create a back catalogue of artists that will be continually be snubbed. Go back to 6, if not 7 performers for the 2016 ceremony. This seems troubling given this is a classic rock heavy ballot; this would only allow maybe 2-3 of them to have a fair shot. I think Yes and Chicago are foregone conclusions this year for classic rock. I think the 3rd shot could be Cheap Trick or Steve Miller (Band). Janet Jackson, N.W.A./Chic (one of the two), Janet Jackson and Nine Inch Nails have a better shot than the others this year.
Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 11:43am
Who will be nominated in 2017?
Posted by richie on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 13:13pm
The fact that they have already stated that they will only induct 5 performers makes me think that they already have a Ringo type back door induction ready to go this year. Who will get the honor of the inside back door induction (or 2nd induction) like Ringo did?
Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 13:30pm
Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 13:55pm
Maybe they're gonna actually induct 6, with the 5 top vote getters, plus Chic (who we all know isn't gonna have the votes to beat out the likes of Janet Jackson, N.W.A., Chicago, Deep Purple, and Cheap Trick.
Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 14:13pm
There is a HUGE backlog of deserving Classic R&B acts, too. Just as much as in other genres in fact...and more than in most.
Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 16:13pm
@ Bill G.
Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 16:16pm
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 18:20pm
Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 20:04pm
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 20:11pm
Posted by KING on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 21:28pm
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 22:22pm
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10.13.15 @ 23:23pm
Those who are saying that The Spinners are not exceptional are, by their own admission, not R&B fans anyway, so I don't expect you to give an unbiased neutral opinion.
Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 03:20am
Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 07:53am
Well said Bill G.!
Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 10:19am
Many Thanks, Donnie .
Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 11:18am
Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 11:47am
With all due respect, Zuzu, I would hypothesize the reason you had to look up the Spinners' songs is because you aren't such an R&B enthusiast, by your own admission. Also, if you listened to Oldies stations, you were going to hear the Fifth Dimension more than the Spinners, as they were happy to trot out that overplayed horse "Aquarius" way too much, and MAYBE "Up, Up, And Away." Fwiw, I prefer Spanky And Our Gang to the Fifth Dimension. Their vocal harmonic structures are similar, but their style was preferable to me.
Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 13:20pm
Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 13:40pm
I'm not trying to change your mind about anything, I'm just saying you had to look them up because you didn't care for that general style anyway. You know who the 5D are mainly because of "Aquarius."
Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 13:49pm
I didn't need to look it to know and have heard the following 5th Dimension songs when it came out.
Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 13:52pm
Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 13:58pm
And the Spinners rose to prominence after most of those songs had pretty much faded away to "dusties" stations.
Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 14:07pm
Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 14:15pm
A few thoughts:
Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 14:28pm
Thanks very much for the kind words, Nick !!
Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 15:18pm
"I am open to hearing arguments for the Spinners. Like I said nobody knows it all. I just need to have something substantive to change my mind. A rant about how much you enjoy them or a statement that can't be backed up or check is not going to convince me."
Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 15:19pm
No Hall for The 5th Dimension, but Marilyn McCoo can flat out sing like an angel.
Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 15:29pm
Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 15:30pm
Tell em, Bill!
Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 15:32pm
First of all, I think its great having someone like Bill G. or Enigmaticus on our forum. It's like having our own little subcommittees for certain genres during our Rock Hall Projected voting process.
Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 15:57pm
Thanks, Paul, Steve, and Philip.
Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 16:39pm
I have advocated the Spinners in the past. I actually thought they would be Inducted last Year. I was wrong last Year. The Hall went with Bill Withers as an Old R&B choice. Some of their songs are great. My Fav is Could It Be I'm Falling. I do however feel that Janet Jackson And Chaka Khan will get more Votes. There is of course that pathetic Chic thing. The Spinners are wayyyy better than them.
Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 18:01pm
I agree its pathetic, Chic should have been in a decade ago.
Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 18:13pm
Exactly. It's pathetic how they are treating a genius like Nile Rodgers.
Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 18:29pm
My favorite song by each of the nominees:
Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 18:36pm
Classic Rock says his favorite Los Lobos song is "La Bamba" (by default), as if that is all to choose from? This is a band that has been playing and releasing music consistently for over three decades. They have released around a dozen albums, several of which are outstanding. KIKO is genius. It is only "by default" because you have chosen not to explore the rest of this rich, diverse, experimental catalogue.
Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 19:55pm
I stopped caring about the RRHOF a while ago, but I feel compelled to join the "Name your favorite songs by the nominees" game. Here are my choices:
Posted by Zach on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 20:22pm
Zach, nice call on "A Dream Away" for The Cars. Always one of my favorites as well. As I've suggested to others, give the Los Lobos album 'Kiko' a shot. One of my Top 10 favorite albums of all time. It is bursting with creativity and fresh ideas.
Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 21:04pm
Posted by KING on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 21:22pm
The Cars - Too many to list. Probably You're All I've Got Tonight though. Their recent Sad Song is great too.
Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 22:38pm
I’ll Play This Game Too although I’ll admit it’s hard to limit myself to one song per artist:
Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 10.14.15 @ 23:31pm
Posted by FRL on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 00:46am
Although I agree that the Rock Hall should abandon the current fan ballot in leu for another one, this won't happen mainly because that would be a PR nightmare for the Rock Hall. Can you imagine if they restarted? The top 5 fans of those bands would lead to an outage and that would then lead to tons of complaining from classic rock fans. My take is to leave the fan ballot as if, and hopefully the Rock Hall learns from their mistakes in future fan ballots.
Posted by Nick on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 01:01am
Ok, I'll play.
Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 03:36am
"The top 5 fans of those bands would lead to an outage and that would then lead to tons of complaining from classic rock fans."
Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 06:33am
Favorite Songs Game:
Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 06:40am
Now as far as Cheap Trick goes I think They may fall short as far as Votes. I personally like some Cheap Trick. I must admit I don't know their albums too Well. I like and Own Live at Budokhan. I am aware that Steve Van Zant has lobbied for them. It has taken time for Steve Van Zant Bands to go in sometimes. J Geils Band still haven't. I am staying with my prediction of Half Rock and Half R&B. If I'm doing that then I don't feel Cheap Trick will be one of the Inductees. I see the Rock acts this tear being Cars, Chicago and Yes. I see Cheap Trick getting inducted next year or some other year. It's a matter of Votes. A lot of members of the Voting Body nay not agree they have influence as compared to other Rock acts this year.
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 06:56am
As a classic rock fan I am surprised by this amount of bias towards classic rock on the official fan poll I can see a band like Chicago getting a lot of fan support for all of the obvious reasons (large fan base, long list of hit albums and singles) but Steve Miller Band with more than double the vote total of Janet Jackson? Something's wrong with that.
Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 07:15am
Phillip, very sorry to hear of your Grandfather's passing.
Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 07:34am
List of my favorite songs:
Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 07:54am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 09:01am
Here would be my choices.
Posted by PopeCharming on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 09:04am
My favorites from the nominees:
Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 09:42am
Paul, Enig, KING, Pope, everyone really:
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 10:15am
Chicago will perform Beginnings, Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is, Saturday In The Park or 25 Or 6 To 4 at the induction ceremony. Or maybe they should just perform the 13-minute Ballet For A Girl In Buchannon instead.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 12:03pm
Any chance Janet Jackson and Chicago won't be inducted in 2016? Chicago would be the first act to win the Rock Hall fan poll, but not be inducted.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 12:05pm
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 12:34pm
Who the hell is Troy Smith and why does he think this could be Chicago's last chance at induction?
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 12:47pm
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 14:04pm
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 14:09pm
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 14:14pm
Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 14:42pm
Now you have to wait 24 hours between each vote you place.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 15:55pm
Since we were on the Subject of R&B I will mention some Past R&B Inductees I like and Own things from. I don't l like them as much as Most Rock Artists but I do own some. Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Isley Brothers, Sam & Dave, Al Green, Earth Wind & Fire. Those are some. I like the Spinners to a degree but not as much as Those. I am not sure if they are as Influential as those. I do know they will get in at some point. They do have some memorable tunes. I think they may fall short this year. It's up to the Voters. I am a Rock Fan. That is not bad for a Rock fan
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 16:05pm
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 17:25pm
FRL Fans & Regulars
Posted by KING on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 18:34pm
I'm partial to Coverdale, Jon Anderson of Yes and Trent Reznor in this list of nominees.
Posted by dmg on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 19:27pm
Chaka Khan has one hell of a voice. When they were on Arsenio Hall to promote their duet Feels Like Heaven, Peter Cetera said that had to get a special mike for her. She would blow the mike when she was belting it out.
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 19:34pm
Yeah, Chaka's voice is amazing. I'm also partial to Morrissey, but I know that everything about him, including his voice, is polarizing. I like this strange recent cover choice of his:
Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 20:00pm
Who would Los Lobos hurt? Who would have to not be inducted in order for Los Lobos to be inducted? Do you think the voters will continue to pass on N.W.A, Nine Inch Nails, Deep Purple, Yes, Chic, The Spinners?
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 21:05pm
Coverdale and Hughes will be inducted with Deep Purple. They are mentioned in the Rock Hall bio.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 21:12pm
Los Lobos = this year's Jimmy Cliff??
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 21:34pm
From this year's 15 nominees there are only two who are definitely going to be inducted in 2016, and those would be Chicago and Janet Jackson.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 21:39pm
I was thinking Paul Butterfield Blues Band, but Jimmy Cliff works too.
Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 21:39pm
That's a compliment, by the way.
Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 21:45pm
The voters passed on Rufus with Chaka Khan. Will they pass on Chaka Khan?
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 21:46pm
Roy: My opinion on who Los Lobos being inducted would hurt?
Posted by SotN on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 22:07pm
The voters have passed in the past on the Spinners, Chic, Deep Purple, Yes, Chaka Khan, The Smiths, N.W.A, and Nine Inch Nails. If this continues, then ladies and gentlemen…
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 22:11pm
I am up to 8 predictions now for the 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 22:38pm
Roy, do you acknowledge any scenario where Chicago is not inducted?
Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 22:52pm
"Roy, do you acknowledge any scenario where Chicago is not inducted?"
Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.15.15 @ 23:58pm
Mixing together my rankings of the nominees, some brief analysis/opinion, and my favorite song.
Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 01:01am
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Best 5 Singers on the Ballot
Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 03:55am
Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 04:07am
About the 2016 Nominees, Bill G. wrote:
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 04:54am
I just want mention some of the less talked about Nominees. I've talked about the Rock and The R&B, Those are the ones more talked about. I want to share that I do know About Los Lobos. I definitely know more than La Bamba. Don't Worry Baby may be my favorite. I also know Corrido #1 and This Time. I also some cuts from Kiko. I don't know them Well but I know them. I still don't think They will be Inducted. There is often left field Nominees. It's just that are so many Big Names on this list.
Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 05:16am
Roy, do you acknowledge any scenario where Chicago is not inducted?
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 07:44am
Are you going to be OK when it doesn't happen?
Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 13:22pm
I can easily Back Roy on this. Chicago is the most Sure thing going. They had a Long career with Lots of hits. They are a more sure thing than my beloved Moody Blues. After all Moodys were not nominated. This is not about the Moodys. That's for another time. I do believe Roy is correct about them being the #4 all time charting R N R band. Also they had innovative albums in the beginning at least. The only that weakens them is their later Pop. I don't like that stuff. However I may point out that without even the strength of Key innovative albums Hall & Oates went in. I say that if Hall & Oates can go in then surely Chicago will. Chicago have the key early albums plus the Pop hits that came later.
Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 17:28pm
So I listened to Kiko online last night Dezmond, and I have ambivalent feelings regarding the album. On the positive side, there's a fascinating and seamless blend of different instruments, which is always going to impress me. Tracks that stood out to me include Dream in Blue (I love the subtle organ and hard-sounding saxes), That Train Don't Stop Here (Dig the bluesy rhythm and guitar solos), Kiko and the Lavender Moon (Haunting piano in the background, jazzy bass), Arizona Skies (A nice guitar showcase that blends flamenco, Hawaiian, and Tejano styles), Just A Man (Moody piano, solid blues-style guitar, and a haunting build-up), and Wicked Rain (A solid groovy beat, supplemented by melodic Latin saxes, driving drumming, and that subtle yet appealing organ). On the opposite end of the spectrum, there's a too much folk/roots-rock-sounding material like Saint Behind the Glass (It's too vocally/lyrically driven, and what music there is primarily consists of a too mellow-sounding guitar), Reva's House (Rather standard-sounding guitar-based roots rock, although not as painful to my ears as the atrocious Tom Petty album Full Moon Fever), When the Circus Comes to Town (Again, not enough solos and too many vocals for my liking), Short Side of Nothing (Another filler track, IMHO), and Whiskey Trail (The guitar solo uses too much distortion, which I prefer in moderation rather than in excess). The usage of guitar distortion effects can be overwhelming at times, but when used sparingly, it does shine on this album. My feelings on folk/roots rock are well-known around these parts, so I'm not going to recapitulate why I don't enjoy those styles. Overall, Kiko has gotten me interested enough in exploring more of Los Lobos' discography, provided there's more material that is in the vein of what I find most appealing about LL already. I'll rate it about 3 out of 5, because it is a good album with some unique musical ideas and a mesmerizing blend of diverse instruments, but the presence of some filler material and a little too much folky/roots rock keep it from entering my top albums.
Posted by Zach on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 18:00pm
I have to back Roy on Chicago too. I can not see Chicago not getting inducted this year. From what I see they have the respect of their peers. How many of the critics of their 80s era have a vote for who gets inducted? Those are the people whose opinions really matter - not us arm chair critics.
Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 18:10pm
What are people smoking?
Posted by DioRainbkw on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 18:20pm
"What are people smoking?"
Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 18:44pm
Zach, I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to check Kiko out. From your review you obviously gave it your full attention. We can disagree on certain things about the record (you are right in that if you not like roots/folk elements, then some of Kiko will not appeal to you). I'm not sure what else to recommend by them, because several of their other best albums are even more in the roots rock/ folk vein (like the By the Light of the Moon album, which I love but you probably wouldn't).
Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 18:45pm
Thanks for your reply, Dezmond. I will generally give something new a fair chance. I got sick of hearing Los Lobos's cover of La Bama, so when I saw your recommendation, I figured I'd better give Kiko a listen. I do plan to save the tracks I enjoyed to my iTunes and skip the ones I disliked. I suppose I'll check some samples of Los Lobos's other work and see if anything else strikes the right chord with me.
Posted by Zach on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 19:24pm
Posted by Andrew on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 19:37pm
About the 2016 Nominees, Dezmond wrote:
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 19:41pm
Two other points I want to add to our discussion, Dezmond:
Posted by Zach on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 20:31pm
Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 21:06pm
Part of me would really love to see Chicago not make it in just to shut Roy up as well his "Illuminati <3 Windy City In The '10s" conspiracy theory. But at this point, unless the Hall decides to proactively punish the people who bot-attacked the fan ballot by ejecting Chicago from the official count, they're in.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.16.15 @ 23:59pm
So just to continue I happen to feel that there are a lot of artists in the Hall who did not have great Material later on if they had a long Career. David Bowie is another example for sure. The early albums like Ziggy Stardust and Alladin Sane made him Very worthy but an album like Tonight Not so much. I do like some of his later.
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 06:48am
About the 2016 Nominees, Philip wrote:
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 06:55am
What if Bernie Taupin and Chicago are both inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in 2016, and Chaka Khan too? Bernie Taupin wrote the lyrics for Dip Your Wings, a song from Peter Cetera's 1992 album, World Falling Down, which also included a duet with Chaka Khan (Feels Like Heaven).
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 07:11am
I'm afraid the post-If You Leave Me Now period could still be an obstacle, because I have the feeling that this is what they are ultimately best remembered for. When people think about Fleetwood Mac, they will first think of Rumours. Billy Joel is and always will be the Piano Man. But when people think of Chicago, they will sooner think about You're the Inspiration and Hard to Say I' Sorry than about 25 or 6 to 4.
Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 07:13am
The nominees for the 2017 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame will be announced while President Barack Obama is still in office. The 2017 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction ceremony though, will be held after Barack Obama has left office.
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 07:25am
This is False. Chicago is very well Remembered for those early album. Even if masses of people remember You're My Inspiration there is the Hall & Oates thing. They got in and some of their most Known hits are Kiss on my List and Maneater. If you then say there is the early albums the same applies to Chicago. Chicago's early stuff is Much more know than Hall & Oates.
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 07:40am
The difference between Chicago's 80s pop and the Hall & Oates 80s pop, is that the Hall & Oates 80s pop was better. Private Eyes is considered one of the best pop albums ever produced. Rolling Stone magazine gave Private Eyes 5 STARS. Chicago 16, 17, 18, and 19 all got 1 STAR each.
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 08:27am
Chicago is more remembered for their 70s songs. They are the ones that are more requested. The only 80s song that gets a lot of requests is You're the Inspiration. 25 Or 6 To 4, Saturday In the Park, Beginnings, Does Anybody Know What Time It Is and of course If You Leave Me Now. If You Leave Me Now had been covered by over 100 artist. It was #1 worldwide for 2 weeks. Saturday In the Park is a 4th of July staple. A lot of the 70s songs are still being played by marching bands. Peter Cetera's audiences get excited when he does the 70s Chicago songs. Somebody remembers that Peter Cetera played bass. Chicago's signature song is still 25 Or
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 11:14am
Would you say Deep Purple was the most influential band of these nominees? I always hear that Deep Purple was 1 of the trinity with Zeppelin & Sabbath. I knows Lars talks about his affection for Deep Purple and several artists have cited them as influences. Roy & Zuzu have made impassioned posts about Chicago getting inducted. Chicago sure has momentum getting inducted with many 70's hits. I'm thinking Chicago and Deep Purple are 2 bands that will be inducted. A Deep Purple induction would move Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, & Motorhead to the top of the line. KING
Posted by KING on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 13:32pm
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Posted by KING on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 17:56pm
"Punish the people who bot-attacked the fan ballot? It only counts as one vote! So what! We were told to vote often."--Roy
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 20:33pm
Other favs of my girl friend Include Donna Summer, Madonna, Billy Joel and Olivia Newton John. So she is very different in Taste to me. A key indication of James Taylor as a Rock Folk fusion is that I like him. I am not into Olivia Newton John. That's pure pop that never did anything for me. Oh and my girl friend loves Lionel Richie. When I say Pop it means she likes only the Pop hits. Clearly Billy Joel is also Rock. Actually in his case she knows some albums.
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.17.15 @ 20:50pm
I would love to see Janet Jackson make to the 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. She is an icon and most of these young artists today get their inspiration from her.
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Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10.18.15 @ 21:03pm
Enigmaticus: You're a good authority on progressive rock, so I figured I'd ask you: what do you know about the band Aphrodites Child? I know them for the most part as being the band that Vangelis got his start with.
Posted by SotN on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 05:03am
Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 05:32am
No what I was saying is I think ELO will mis next year too. I mean this year the Hall only nominated Yes in the Prog bunch. I'm assuming that Yes will be Inducted. They were one of the Most popular of all Prog groups. This will free up the Moody Blues and others.
Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 05:54am
Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 08:15am
I agree with most of what Ben says. I also see ELO being pushed back. They are one of the few Brit prog bands to have hits in the US and that is a plus. But...
Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 10:56am
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Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 16:12pm
Zuzu and Ben,
Posted by Dezmond on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 20:45pm
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Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.19.15 @ 22:48pm
I can definitely say some things about this. Unlike my Hippie Boss I was listening to FM in the late 70s early 80s. ELP was still played a whole lot. King Crimson were not. Greg Lake was indeed in both bands. He is much more known for ELP. When I came along as a Rock Listener ELP were on the last tour of their Heyday. Just like Zuzu I did not hear of King Crimson in the 70s. Even when I was 13 I heard of ELP.
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 04:56am
If the Rock Hall starts picking nominees/inductees based on who people remember hearing about when they were younger, what their boss listened to or what the average person thinks, they should just stop. None of those things matter.
Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 07:54am
I thought the point was to figure out which artist should be picked. Asking why an artist was not known or why didn't people want to buy their music are very valid questions. So is why were people talking about one artist and not talking about another.
Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 08:31am
Posted by FRL on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 09:33am
First there is the direct influence on Progressive Rock bands of their era such as Genesis, ELP Yes, etc. They were also directly influential to later Prog groups like Tool, Dream Theater, and Porcupine Tree. Also with their album Red they helped create a more hard rock/heavy metal version of Prog Rock that would influence bands like Rush, Mastodon, Opeth, etc. Even Kurt Cobain has mentioned that the album Red was very influential to him. You also have other random bands like Iron Maiden and Bad Religion that have stated them as an influence. Also many of their songs have been sampled in Hip-Hop and Techno/House recordings, most famously "21st Century Schizoid Man" on Kanye West's "Power."
Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 10:31am
Wow, just checked in and saw this conversation unfolding. Great stuff. Thanks Gassman, you made most of the King Crimson arguments for me.
Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 13:34pm
And Zuzu, I'm sorry, but to say that Styx has the potential to me more influential than King Crimson is patently absurd.
Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 13:38pm
KING, thanks for asking re: The Cars. Yes, I was quite excited to see The Cars finally nominated. You know they have always been near the top of my personal snubs lists.
Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 13:42pm
Thanks for the info. From what I was finding on allmusic and who sampled King Crimson only had slightly more credits than ELP.
Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 14:31pm
What do you mean "credits"? That is not influence. that is simply other artists who E, L or P played on some of their material. Palmer did not influence Roger Daltrey, but played drums on some of his solo material. Greg Lake did not influence The Who (actually, Townshend was influenced by Lake-era King Crimson, so I take that back!), but Lake played bass on two latterday Who songs after John Entwistle died. That isn't really influence.
Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 17:12pm
Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 17:26pm
This idea of Popularity can be ignored sure. King Crimson it may be true should have gone in first or early for Prog. That is assuming that there are huge prog fans in the Hall committee. Unfortunately there isn't. That's why In the case of Prog They would go with the popular first. It's only because it's a genre that the Hall finds hard to grasp.
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 17:37pm
Actually credits can be a variety of types. It can be playing or singing on a recording or a variety of other things that are done in the production of a recording. Artist are also given credit when their songs are covered or significantly sampled and that is a sign of being an influence.
Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 17:55pm
By quoting the Hall's criteria you proved my point. I am not predicting Crimson will be inducted any time soon. Maybe never. But I am saying what should happen, and based on their own criteria. True, they don't always follow their own criteria.
Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 19:02pm
And even though I hate playing the game of who will vote for who, I imagine the members of The Who would vote for both. Townshend has said Crimson was an influence on him and once called Crimson's debut an "uncanny masterpiece." They would also probably vote for ELP because Greg Lake is a friend of their's.
Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 19:13pm
Ok, I did it for you. Going to Allmusic and counting Robert Fripp's credits I counted about 600. I stopped counting about 300 in and was about half way through, so give or take, around 600. People he's worked with? David Bowie, Talking Heads, Kanye West (sample), Peter Gabriel, etc. ELP was actually listed several times too.
Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 19:44pm
One other thing. The intro paragraph to Fripp's entry on Allmusic states: "Experimental guitar virtuoso who pushed rock boundaries with King Crimson and later became an electronic and avant-garde innovator."
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Posted by KING on Tuesday, 10.20.15 @ 21:07pm
"I'm not sure why you don't consider somebody covering or sampling a song as an indicator of influence. Don't you think it says something about an artist when their peers want to work with them. For example Chaka Khan has a lot of credits for vocals on other peoples albums. There are a number of big names and she sings for a variety of styles and genres. To me that shows depth of talent. Steve Winwood Said she was the one everybody wanted to sing with. You don't think that says something about her vocal abilities?"--Zuzu
Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 00:22am
King Crimson's debut album, "In The Court Of The Crimson King" was a major influence on many nascent progressive rock bands. However, "Days Of Future Passed" by The Moody Blues was even more ubiquitous.
Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 02:35am
I am so glad you chimed in Enig. I really don't know King Crimson enough. I know ELP very well. I would simply say that since those running the Hall know less about Prog than any of us chatting they wouldn't be smart enough for King Crimson right Now. Although I will add that Enig is far smarter on King Crimson than me.
Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 05:33am
Ben, I think that the Commodores might not get in except as sidemen behind a Lionel Richie induction.
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 09:46am
Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 10:49am
I think the FRL voters have the 5 inductees right:
Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 11:05am
Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 12:22pm
On this small issue I think the Hall will try the Commodores first. If that doesn't work they'll try Lionel Richie solo. I don't like Lionel Richie but this is not about me. As you said what they tried with Rufus
Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 18:55pm
I personally think that The Commodores should be inducted as a GROUP....Not Lionel Richie solo.
Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10.21.15 @ 20:43pm
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.22.15 @ 05:07am
I would prefer Commodores to go in, rather than Lionel Ritchie solo. This from a person who saw Mr. Ritchie last year at Bonnaroo & was blown away by his set (one of the top 4 I saw that weekend).
Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10.22.15 @ 07:11am
I couldn't agree More. The Commodores are very feasible as a Nominee. As soon as next Year. Perhaps the Hall is waiting for the Chic thing to be done. Lionel Richie not as likely as due him being so Pop. My Very Pop girlfriend loves both Barry Manilow and Mr. Richie solo.
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10.22.15 @ 08:24am
Interesting fact that I learned in my Black Music History Class in undergrad was that Lionel Richie got his start in Country Music before joining The Commodores. Would explain Mr. Richie's solo career being less R&B than The Commodores.
Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.22.15 @ 09:40am
Still, Three Times a Lady and Easy were done by the Commodores. All Night Long Was Recorded by Lionel Richie. Endless Love was a duet done by Lionel Richie and Diane Ross.
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.22.15 @ 10:48am
Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10.22.15 @ 14:13pm
So now I return to chats of this Year. I feel the Cars, Chicago and Yes stand the best chance. IT's a Matter of Votes. I love Deep Purple but as Zuzu often points out How doe the General Public and in fact the Voters feel about them? When You say the Voters do you also mean the Voters. You probably are since some Voters are people like Van Morrison and Martha Reeves. I also believe Bill Clinton is a Voter.
Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.23.15 @ 05:45am
I'm impressed with the FRL voting thus far and actually think the current top 5 are a solid indicator of our 2016 inductees.
Posted by Mike on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 04:02am
These are the artists from the list of Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame nominees who I have voted for and who I feel absolutely deserve to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame:
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 07:34am
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 13:38pm
Ben, why do you keep repeating that you don't like Chic? You mention this quite often but hardly elaborate about why you dislike them. Chic, love them or hate them, are a hugely influential act not only on Disco but popular music of the last 30+ years. I think you might be discounting Steve Miller a bit, I think he has the populist support from voters (akin to someone like Hall & Oates from a few years ago): too many hits to be ignored. I don't think the Cars are a shoe-in per-say especially with the competition this year (and I really like the Cars). It's good to see the Rock Hall embrace New Wave bands like the Cars too. Cheap Trick could be a dark-horse pick for this year but it depends on much support they generate. I'm pulling for them to get in this year.
Posted by Nick on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 14:22pm
I think Deep Purple will be inducted. Recent nominees and inductees over the last decade KISS, Rush, Heart, Metallica,Black Sabbath, Heart etc should throw some votes to Deep Purple. It also helps Deep Purple's cause that they continue to play shows and others members like Coverdale went on to have success with Whitesnake. Deep Purple is noted for Smoke On The Water but they had other classic songs Burn, Hush, Woman Of Tokyo, Space Truckin', Highway Star etc. It seems like Chicago that this is Deep Purple's Time. A Deep Purple induction would also help the logjam of hard rock/heavy metal bands such as Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motorhead, and Bon Jovi & Def Leppard. I can see Motley Crue inducted down the road. KING
Posted by KING on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 16:10pm
It's Hard to Say with the Steve Miller. They have a lot of hits. I love them all and love some of their Albums. Truthfully Steve Miller should have been in already. I would always Vote for Steve Miller. I'm just not totally sure enough Voters will agree. There are some that surely will Vote for them. They fall in the middle on chances.
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 16:37pm
Ben, a couple of things that Steve Miller has going for him and I think he has a better chance than you think.
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 18:09pm
I personally feel that Chicago and Janet Jackson are the only real locks at this point. No telling with the others.
Posted by dmg on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 18:15pm
Nile Rodgers is maybe the most influential member of Chic, but other members were also widely respected. Bernard Edwards was highly praised as a bass player. Edwards was the man behind the bassline of Good Times, quite possibly the greatest thing Chic has given to mankind. Ta dun, dun dun, ta dun dundundun I say a hip, hop, the hippie the hippie hiphop, you don't stop and another one gone, another one gone, another one bites the dust.
Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 18:41pm
Well I will drop Chic very Soon. In the Case of Chic You do have to sell me personally but not as a Prediction. I firmly believe that Chic will be inducted for the Very reasons you say. My personal taste leads me to respect Nile Rodgers. I don't even have enough knowledge of the others.
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 21:00pm
So I think this is the year for Chic because although I don't agree with it really The Hall will recognize the Influence. Janet Jackson is a real lock. More than Chic. There is also Chaka Khan. Now Chaka may be the least likely. If she don't get in then I say Steve Miller gets a spot. Nonetheless to reiterate. Here is my List of Predictions for 2016. Half Rock and half R&B.
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 21:21pm
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Posted by KING on Saturday, 10.24.15 @ 23:40pm
I have never set foot in New York City, nor have I taken a "proper" vacation in more than 27 years. However, I might be inclined to do so if Yes, Deep Purple and Chicago are inducted next year.
Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10.25.15 @ 09:59am
Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10.25.15 @ 19:15pm
Moody Blues & Zombies should be a no brainer...so apparently there is some political crap going on here that totally discredits the so-called R&R Hall of Fame. These are bands with proven fan bases that were heavily listen to when Rock was young...unlike some of the garbage they try to pass off as Rock today. Get it Right...or you're painting yourselves as nothing but a joke.
Posted by Terry Huffhines on Sunday, 10.25.15 @ 20:26pm
As we see the Hall is finally catching up on Snubs. Chicago and Yes have an incredibly Good chance. Zuzu, You have a good point about Steve Miller. The earliest album of his I know is Brave New World. The Notable track is Space Cowboy. It came out in 1969. I just wanted you to know my knowledge of Steve Miller goes back before his famous 70s stuff. Now if I'm wrong about 3 R&B choices then Steve Miller has a good chance.
Posted by Ben on Monday, 10.26.15 @ 05:42am
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Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10.26.15 @ 13:13pm
So I was having a chat at work about the new Rock Hall Nominees. The friend I talked to is a Musician and Music enthusiast. He is about 11 years Younger than me. Chicago he feels is a given like most of us do. I said Cheap Trick may fall short but Yes would win and be Inducted.
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10.27.15 @ 06:11am
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Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10.28.15 @ 19:50pm
It’s both shocking and quite fascinating that Eddie Truck is now on the Rock Hall nominating Committee. I guess now he can shut up about the Rock Hall being unfair when he's a voter/nominating member . Perhaps Morello and him can get harder rock acts on the ballot. The sky's the limit here. In the video FRL posted of Truck’s announcement, he mentioned that he’s definitely voting for Deep Purple and Cheap Trick. He’ll probably lean to harder rock acts and probably 1970s-1980s artists. I think the other 3 votes are between the following: Yes, Nine Inch Nails, The Cars, Steve Miller, The Smiths. I doubt he’d vote for any soul/R&B (even if they are highly highly).
Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 10.28.15 @ 23:02pm
^ "Highly Worthy"
Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 10.28.15 @ 23:16pm
Nick - unless I'm mistaken, it says Trunk is a voter, not on the nominating committee.
Posted by DC on Wednesday, 10.28.15 @ 23:16pm
Maybe that's right and I misheard it. Either way this is big news, especially for Rock Hall followers given Truck's constant criticisms of the organization.
Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 10.28.15 @ 23:39pm
My initial reaction to Trunk becoming a voter was very negative, but I'm hearing that others have been added as well. I'm a big advocate for reforming the voting committee and see two possibilities.
Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 01:33am
Eddie Trunk's Ballot
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 06:12am
Re: Eddie Trunk, I especially care for metal, and I don't especially like him, but I can see the Rock Hall's logic in putting him on the Voting Committee.
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Posted by Nick on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 11:44am
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 14:59pm
Nick - You make some great points. Janet Jackson is the biggest star nominated in this year and probably the biggest lock for induction.
Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 15:34pm
Chaka Khan is one of my favorite artists. If she didm't get voted in several years ago with Rufus then it is what it is.
Posted by Marissa on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 16:57pm
Marissa - That would be a great class, even though I am a fan of Chicago's early work.
Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 17:26pm
About the 2016 Nominees, Marissa wrote:
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.29.15 @ 19:46pm
Posted by Nick on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 00:11am
Zuzu: I'm not going to fight with you here either (and Nick has made great points already), but I have to ask: what did Judith Hill getting eliminated have to do with Janet Jackson's prospects?
Posted by SotN on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 04:09am
Ok. I just want to say I'm predicting both Janet Jackson and Chaka Khan for Induction. I have said that I don't feel the Class will be all Classic Rock. So logically if it's not I think since there is so many Classic artists of both Rock and R&B it will be half and half. Janet Jackson and Chaka Khan both make sense.
Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 04:58am
How is their newer albums? Chicago XXX and XXXI.
Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 07:24am
Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 10:25am
FRL Regulars & RRHOF Nominees Guessers.
Posted by KING on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 16:30pm
Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 17:59pm
FRL Regulars and Music Fans.
Posted by KING on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 19:15pm
Off the bat two I would think would pass are Journey and the Guess Who. The rest I would need more info.
Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 20:04pm
KING: this is certainly interesting. 1, 2 and 3 (as much as I have a soft spot for him) do not pass my eraser test. 4 (Scorpions) maybe, since you could credit them with giving a rock and metal platform for non English speaking countries. Jewel does not. Journey? Maybe due to how omnipresent they were, and love them or hate them the 80's power ballads were massive giants. Don't know The Escape Club, heard of America, LL Cool J I'd say maybe, since he certainly helped rap become one of the dominant musical styles. No on the rest.
Posted by Sam on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 20:16pm
If I understand the exercise. Could we tell if the History of Rock 'Roll would be different if these bands never existed. I like some Huey Lewis but I don't think Rock History would different if they never existed. The same with Culture Club and George Michael. The Scorpions perhaps pass the Eraser test. If they had not existed German heavy metal bands and European Metal bands in General may have had trouble
Posted by Ben on Friday, 10.30.15 @ 21:54pm
I meant heard of America just don't know much about them
Posted by Sam on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 05:19am
I remember a few songs America did.
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 05:34am
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 07:41am
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 07:42am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 11:12am
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 11:55am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 13:33pm
I love what Peter Cetera has to say.
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 19:34pm
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 19:59pm
Posted by KING on Saturday, 10.31.15 @ 20:16pm
Re: the City Pages article, one of the shoddiest op/ed pieces I've seen.
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 00:54am
Philip: I think it was supposed to be out of a sort of misguided satire, since the first section said something about how silly speculating on future inductees was since the ceremony has become more one sided. That's the only explanation for things like Deep Purple's cons, Steve Miller Band's pros, and Yes's entire section.
Posted by SotN on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 01:57am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 03:27am
I was reading the Recent posts. I mentioned the Other day that the Cars had a few good albums. albums that rather well regarded. I do agree Zuzu that the Fan Vote doesn't count for Much. Chicago are running strong regardless due to the Voting Body. The Nom Com probably felt forced to put Chicago in the Nominee category.
Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 05:05am
The Blues Brothers were formed because Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi were not happy with the direction music was taking. Things change from generation to generation.
Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 12:01pm
Why are people upset that Chicago is # 1 in the Rock Hall fan poll, but not upset that Rush and KISS also finished # 1 in the fan poll? Chicago finishing # 1 in the poll is no surprise to me. Let me remind all of you again who you are dealing with here! This is Chicago! Of the 15 nominees on this year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot, Chicago is the number one all-time selling and charting act on the list. Chicago at # 1 makes sense!! Rock and Roll's Holy Quintet: The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Beach Boys, The Bee Gees, Chicago! Chicago will join the rest in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in 2016!
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 12:24pm
Now I'm thinking that Cheap Trick and the Cars are like the J. Geils Band, Heart, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, the Cure, The Replacements and the Smiths. They won't be inducted on their first nomination.
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 14:48pm
Here are my 6 predictions for those to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2016 (realistically):
Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 11.1.15 @ 21:32pm
One more guess as to the 2016 R&R HoF nominations:
Posted by Joe on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 01:45am
Jason- Your predictions would make for a very good class. It's one of the more realistic and reasonable predictions that I've seen lately,
Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 02:33am
Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 05:18am
Posted by Roy on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 06:45am
I say the first 4 for Chicago were Innovative but they were still Very good through Chicago XI. In other words the first 11 are pretty good.
Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 07:13am
I could probably flip-flop Deep Purple and Yes, because I know it could be one of them. As said about Chicago, those two bands are the reasons the Rock Hall has lost respect for not inducting them. And its not just coming from me. Just read all the comments on articles and social media sites. I just think with more people on the voting committee that love hard rock will finally take the chance on voting for Deep Purple. As for The Cars, I just don't see it happen this year. Would be nice though.
Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 12:36pm
All 3 of these bands are the reasons the Rock Hall has lost respect. This goes back to my Post before on the big mistake of shrinking the Classes to 5 for about 6 years. They were already Biased to what they like and then they shrank it. I know very well who went in while others didn't. A bunch from the 60s and 70s that could have waited. I like some Dr John but because only 5 were going in he went in while Yes Chicago and many others were snubbed. They could have simply had larger classes and had all of them perhaps.
Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 13:26pm
Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 14:44pm
What I was trying to say is if the Classes had remained 8 a year then to be fair some of the ones that went still could have but some of the snubs too. So Rush could have been Inducted earlier or Yes or Chicago at the same time as Dr John. Which is fine. It's the fact that Dr John and Neil Diamond went in at that time but not Rush Yes or Chicago. Rush have gone in since 2011. I was making a point of faster. If there were classes of 8 a year then heck I figure Chicago could have been in by Now.
Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 14:54pm
Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 15:49pm
Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 15:51pm
Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 16:16pm
After a long analysis and a lot guessing and discussions with my gut, I think the 5 inductees this year will be:
Posted by shrek on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 20:44pm
Zuzu - fair argument on Chicago's innovation. I just wasn't aware of all the little details. I've just always seen them as a pop singles band, which is funny because in the 70s that's not what Chicago was all about and they were against that! I remember reading somewhere when Columbia issued their first hits compilation (IX, I think?) based on all of their singles, they at first balked at the idea since they were not a 'singles' band. When I look at their chart history in a Joel Whitburn book it just gives me the idea that they were, perhaps in the wrong way.
Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 22:45pm
Another thing: if Tommy James (& the Shondells) and/or Three Dog Night were put on the ballot this year, I'm sure all the voters would put them in in a heartbeat since they are long overdue. Whether or not what anyone thinks about them, that is. As Ben points out, all of these 60s and 70s bands have been blocked over the years because of the limit of acts getting in year by year.
Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 22:48pm
Put me down as a huge no for Three Dog Night. Gloried cover band and one of our worse picks for the Rock Hall Revisited/Projected.
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 11.2.15 @ 23:23pm
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 04:20am
Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 10:31am
Anybody has any idea why it is so quiet at Digital Dream Door? Is it so difficult to be sour about the current ballot?
Posted by The_Claw on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 16:42pm
Elvis obviously was broke huge amounts of ground and was extremely important for obvious reasons that don't need to be stated. He also started in a different era where it was acceptable for credible artists to record other people's songs. However after Bob Dylan, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, etc it is expected that you write your own material. This is one of my complaints to Linda Ronstadt being inducted, but at least she took other folks compositions and took them in another direction, in doing so making them her own. Also she continued to evolve and grow as an from the 60's to the 90's. Three Dog Night was just a small blip on the radar in the late 60's and early 70's with a few #1 hits that blended in nicely with the popular culture of the day. In that respects I would almost compare them to LMFAO, the electro/hip-hop duo. They've had 2 #1 hits and they really gel well with popular culture today, but in 30-40 years they will be largely forgotten other than an occasional play on Adult Contemporary or Oldies (I guess they call it Greatest Hits) station.
Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 18:12pm
Where is it written that Three Dog Night was called out for not writing their own songs? Where is it written that the rule was you needed to write your own music? Give me something contemporary to the era and not some history revisionist kid writing a blog.
Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 19:35pm
Three Dog Night seems to be very polarizing in RRHoF terms.
Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 19:46pm
Here are the originals.
Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 19:58pm
Posted by Zach on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 20:30pm
Posted by Zach on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 20:31pm
The hall has gotten a lot of flack for choices that have been made. Some of those choices go right to song writer over performer. I don't recall anything about artist being put down for not writing their own songs back in the 70s. I would have said 60s too but I was too young to have noticed.
Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 20:50pm
Here's my early (and first) prediction for inductees this year. Thinking about all of the R&B (and funk) artists in the voting block, I just can't see a straight-up classic rock inductee class.
Posted by dmg on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 21:33pm
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 21:56pm
Just finished listening. What a great and informative interview.
Posted by dmg on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 22:33pm
That was a great interview with Dave Marsh. There were a lot of things I didn’t know like he was a big fan of The Cars, Cheap Trick, Deep Purple and Los Lobos. These are the 4 I think he’ll definitely vote for and the 5th choice seems to be up for grabs, probably an R&B/Funk act. He definitely won’t be voting for Janet Jackson, Chicago, Nine Inch Nails, Yes, or Steve Miller. I don’t always agree with Marsh’s views, like there are “only 750 who know rock music,” (comes across too pretentious) but it’s always interesting and thought-provoking.
Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 23:10pm
I'll go with a prediction of a class of six: Janet Jackson, Chicago, Nine Inch Nails, Yes, NWA and Steve Miller. (The Spinners and Los Lobos are two darkhohorse picks that I could see happening, though.)
Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 11.3.15 @ 23:22pm
In all honesty I see the JB's as a back-door induction. I know that won't sit well with many, but I'd rather that happen than see them on the ballot again. Nothing against them...
Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 00:31am
I love the Marsh's line: "It's not how famous you are, it's how famous you should be." I don't agree with all of his opinions on the artists, but that line is 100% on point.
Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 00:47am
Chicago lost Terry Kath 11 albums in, not 4 albums in as that Dave Marsh interviewer says. Calling Chicago a vehicle for their guitar player.
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 02:58am
Dave Marsh doesn't know who he can compare to Chicago and says Dave Brubeck is better than Chicago. Dave Marsh sarcastically asks which is better Roundabout or 25 Or 6 To 4.
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 05:02am
From that Dave Marsh interview it appears he will be voting for Deep Purple, Cheap Trick, the Cars, Los Lobos, and his fifth vote will go to either Chic or the Spinners.
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 05:30am
UPDATE! Deep Purple moves ahead of Steve Miller and it will stay that way!
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 07:51am
So Tom DeSavia is voting for Cheap Trick & the J.B.'s...
Posted by dmg on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 16:58pm
About the 2016 Nominees, dmg wrote:
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 11.4.15 @ 18:07pm
Dave Marsh said he needed four people to review Chicago's Live At Carnegie for his Creem magazine. One for each disc. Also, Kiss fans never grew up, they're still sixteen years old, and that's the difference between Kiss fans and Cheap Trick fans. Plus, if he knew that Kiss fans would shut up about Kiss, he would have voted them in a long time ago. Dave Marsh also said that Los Lobos is the most qualified and deserving act on this year's nominees list behind Deep Purple.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11.5.15 @ 07:09am
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11.5.15 @ 08:37am
"I read something like each artist gets a Vote."
Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 11.5.15 @ 17:53pm
KING: I want to reply to your post on the Moody Blues page, but I'd rather do so here since it'd be more relevant here.
Posted by SotN on Thursday, 11.5.15 @ 21:24pm
The Cars: Eurymthics
Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 11.5.15 @ 22:24pm
Kind of hilarious to see the shoe on the other foot for Eddie Trunk. The Sabbath is always Blacker on the other side of the ballot.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 00:53am
Chicago paving the way for ELO or BST? NO - NO!!
Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 04:05am
I see Chicago perhaps opening the doors for jazz fusion like Blood, Sweet and Tears, Return to Forever and Mahanisu Orchestra too. As well as more jazz acts. Since Chicago had jazz incorporated in their sound and I can't help think that more jazz fusion will follow Chicago's induction. Perhaps I'm wrong about elo connection with chicago but I see Yes paving the way for them as well as moody blues, procol harum and king crimson though. I'm in agreement that Chicago could also open the door for heartland rock like above acts mentioned.
Posted by Greg F on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 04:24am
I think the nom com is clearing the shelves of previously considered artist and artist that there is an outcry for. I don't really see an outcry for jazz rock fusion. Chicago was eclectic rock fusion not jazz rock fusion. Jazz was only one of several genres they fused with rock. I just brought this point up a few days ago on this thread. Chicago did not consider themselves to be jazz rock fusion - the critics did and they were wrong. Check out what Jimmy has to say at about the 4:50 mark.
Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 09:02am
Greg F: I agree with a lot of your choices, but I have a few differences:
Posted by Gassman on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 10:19am
The Cars: Joy Division/New Order
Posted by Roy on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 10:59am
The Cars: INXS
Posted by dmg on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 12:27pm
DMG - I agree with you 100% that Chaka Khan would be the one to open it up for Whitney Houston.
Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 13:39pm
As the nominating committee is currently configured and will probably be configured in the future, Styx will never be nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. There are at least 50 groups that they would go with first as there is little to no respect for Styx in the music critic world. Also they have never even been previously considered in the committee (check out the list towards the bottom of the tabs on the left). It would be one of the biggest shocks for the institution if they were nominated.
Posted by Gassman on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 13:46pm
The Cars - The B-52's
Posted by Sean on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 14:44pm
I'm honestly more shocked they let Chuck Eddy onto the Voting Committee than Eddie Trunk, actually.
Posted by Sean on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 15:11pm
Then again I'll definitely take Eddy over Stephen Thomas Erlewine whose reviews on AllMusic seem to indicate he likes everything and he'll pan almost nothing and he writes semi-clickbaity phrases that seem to emphatically praise some of the most vapid pop artists far too often, but he, unlike Eddy, doesn't seem to be taking his writing as a joke.
Posted by Sean on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 15:16pm
Styx will never get in? Isn't that exactly what they said about Kiss? And they got inducted.
Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 15:40pm
"Styx will never get in? Isn't that exactly what they said about Kiss? And they got inducted. "
Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 17:10pm
What kind of reputation does the nom com have?
Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 17:25pm
Reputation of the NomCom doesn't change the fact that they're still the ones in power. Also, how is "punk" misogynist? "Punk" is about being anti-establishment, not anti-women.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 17:36pm
He used punk to describe garage bands. He seems oblivious to how many 70s rock artist started in garage bands. garage bands were not punk. Garage bands were the North American response to the British Invasion. This is why he and the nom com deserve to be tagged dinosaurs.
Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 18:40pm
About the 2016 Nominees, Zuzu wrote:
Posted by Roy on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 18:43pm
Just because Marsh is on a male-dominated NomCom doesn't necessarily mean HE is chauvinist/misogynist. But would it be misogynist if the NomCom was all women and assembled an all-male ballot?
Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 21:19pm
I enjoyed the Marsh interview enough that I've listened to it a couple times. I don't agree with his opinion on every single point or artist, but I find his exasperated contempt and condescension really fun and endearing.
Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 22:07pm
Agreed, Marsh is the type of person you want on the committee.
Posted by Gassman on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 23:08pm
Plus with Toure jumping ship to all rap, Marsh I suspect is one of the few people who'll battle for soul. He's supported Joe Tex in the past. I suspected he helped Cliff push the Spinners back onto the ballot, too.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 23:15pm
I think that a lot of my enjoyment of the interview is that it's largely become a novelty to hear that sort of opinionated arrogance about the Rock Hall from someone who actually has a broad, deep and textured enough understanding of RnR history to justify it.
Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 23:41pm
But still, considering his history I am actually shocked they let him on the Voting Committee, more than Trunk. At least we know what Trunk will do, while we can't be sure what Eddy might vote for as some post-modern joke. I really enjoy the guy unironically, but his inclusion puzzles me, especially when the more legendary critic who popularized him, Robert Christgau, doesn't get a vote.
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Friday, 11.6.15 @ 23:52pm
"Words matter to me when they're funny, like on the new Cult album. I think it's by far one of the best records this year--it's just so stupid!"
Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 00:09am
Chicago lost Terry Kath 11 albums in, not 4 albums in as that Dave Marsh interviewer says. Dave Marsh called Chicago just a vehicle for their guitar player, which is not enough to get them in. Dave Marsh doesn't know who he can compare to Chicago and says Dave Brubeck is better than Chicago. Dave Marsh asks which is worse Roundabout or 25 Or 6 To 4?
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 04:44am
I consider the nom com sexist based upon the choices they have made. Patsy Cline - Joan Baez - Melanie - Judy Collins - Helen Ready - Emmylou Harris and you pick Joni Mitchel and Linda Ronstandt. It makes you look sexist. I'm not talking about a whole nom com of women. At least 1/3 should be women.
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 04:56am
About the 2016 Nominees, Zuzu wrote:
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 05:14am
The Hall is clearly catching Up on Classic Rock artists. I saw that Styx were mentioned. Some feel Styx will never get in. I don't think that's true but they won't get in for a long time. It's as Philip said Kiss got in. I'm not a big fan of either I'm just observing. I think Styx could get in but 10-15 years from Now. I think Journey and Foreigner will get in before Styx. Put another way Never is a long time.
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 05:51am
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 06:20am
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 07:13am
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 10:37am
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 11:25am
As far as those artists who may follow those 2016 nominees into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees, if they are inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame is concerned, I would offer this list:
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 12:51pm
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 12:52pm
What is everyone's thoughts on the chances for glam rockers Mott the Hoople? I don't know how soon it'll happen, but I do think they are ripe for induction.
Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 14:16pm
As far as whom Dave Marsh likes:
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 14:52pm
Mott the Hoople could be an interesting choice, but only after T. Rex in terms of glam rock and the Rock Hall. There is a better argument for T. Rex and I think they are one of the biggest snubs in the Rock Hall. Marsh talked about him in that recent interview and I think a T. Rex nomination can be a strong possibility in the next few years. I'm also rooting for the New York Dolls and MC5 to reappear on the Rock Hall (previously being nominated in 2002/2003; especially the latter given Tom Morello's now on the nominating committee).
Posted by Nick on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 14:56pm
Mott the Hoople could be an interesting choice, but only after T. Rex in terms of glam rock and the Rock Hall. There is a better argument for T. Rex and I think they are one of the biggest snubs in the Rock Hall. Marsh talked about him in that recent interview and I think a T. Rex nomination can be a strong possibility in the next few years. I'm also rooting for the New York Dolls and MC5 to reappear on the Rock Hall ballot (previously being nominated in 2002/2003; especially the latter given Tom Morello's now on the nominating committee).
Posted by Nick on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 14:59pm
Oh, did I forget Los Lobos, Chic and the J.B.'s?
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 15:05pm
Oops, I forgot the Electric Light Orchestra.
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 15:19pm
Here's one for 2016/2017...
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 19:11pm
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 19:37pm
Ides of March
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 19:55pm
Interesting that my suggestion of Styx caused such controversy. I always thought, among prog acts, Styx and Yes sounded very similar. My choice didn't have anything to do with physical relationships amongst members, but rather the sound of the bands themselves.
Posted by dmg on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 20:01pm
It seems that the Nom Com showed their hand this election cycle and could be what the future nominations will be like. Many of these groups were commercially successful and popular. This bodes well for Bon Jovi, Duran Duran, Mariah Carey, and several others. My theory that we would see younger living artists nominated for the televised ceremony and crowd held true for the most part. None of the deceased Singer-Songwriters Croce, Gram Parsons, Nilsson,Zevon etc. were nominated. Other recently deceased nominee favs Joe Cocker and Ben E. King fell short.
Posted by KING on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 21:31pm
My Predictions for this year:
Posted by Evan on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 22:10pm
Ides of March
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 22:50pm
"I consider the nom com sexist based upon the choices they have made. Patsy Cline - Joan Baez - Melanie - Judy Collins - Helen Ready - Emmylou Harris and you pick Joni Mitchel and Linda Ronstandt. It makes you look sexist."
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 23:28pm
Styx seems like a puzzling one. Yes I love the band but do the so-called professional critics? Very underrated today even though they have several well-known classic rock songs (includes several chart hits). And they're one of the best to hail from Chicago. Enough said.
Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 23:49pm
Evan, your predictions for the 2016 Inductees are very similar to mine (see my post above on 11/1) except that I also had the Spinners. I assume they will induct 6 regular performers as they have in recent years. This is a Heinz 57-catchup year, so they better make this one worthy! Next year on the other hand, things will start to get very competitve again
Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 11.7.15 @ 23:52pm
Posted by KING on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 01:38am
I want to say before I continue this site has helped me in a Bad time. I too have had recent Loss. My Mom passed away in mid August. That was just before I returned to chatting here on the Site. We had the Funeral for her and the Family has tried to move On Now. I always help my Dad in this time. He just turned 84. He is clearly from before any Rock era. I just wanted to say that.
Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 05:08am
Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 07:13am
Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 08:21am
The third one was supposed to be for Jason not Rick
Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 08:37am
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 08:51am
"You do not have the ability to judge what is or is not sexist. I have said several it is not about picking women - it is about having our opinion respected. The nom com and several members are sexist. No ifs, buts, ands or maybes about it. You do not have the ability to judge what is sexism but you definitely have the ability to be sexist. Enough said on the subject."
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 08:59am
Boston, Kansas, Styx and REO Speedwagon are not in the same league as Chicago!
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 09:00am
Stop deflecting and minimizing. You can not determine what is sexism. I can though. It is what it is.
Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 09:37am
Thinking beyond the Performer Induction, I'm wondering who the Rock Hall will induct in the other categories (Early Influences, Musical Excellence, Non-Performer, Lifetime Achievement). I think they have inductees in the Musical Excellence and Non-Performer Categories this upcoming year (The Rock Hall rarely inducts Early Influence performers back-to-back). I think it would be interesting if they finally inducted a Rock Music writer in the Non-Performer category. Maybe someone like Lester Bangs or even Dave Marsh. Or Maybe the Rock Hall will finally enshrine Russell Simons or Rick Rubin for the Non-Performers category for their contributions to hip-hop and rock music. Have Questlove induct one of them, given he's on their Def-Jam label.
Posted by Nick on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 10:16am
ben, my condolences on your mother's passing. Enjoy your father's presence.
Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 10:22am
'Msybe I Know' is her best song, IMO.
Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 10:24am
I'm not deflecting anything Zuzu. You are spouting wild accusations.
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 10:27am
Nick, I vehemently oppose inducting critics as N-Ps for two reasons: one, so many of the powers-that-be are critics that it would quickly turn into a glad-handing of friends even worse than many of us suspect it of being already; two, in my opinion, critics don't do a whole lot to help with the evolution and perpetuation of rock'n'roll. We're due for another songwriter or two. Perhaps Bernie Taupin this year, to complete Roy's wet dream. I'd rather see Barri and Sloan get in, but as they move away from the '60s, that becomes increasingly unlikely. Maybe if the Spinners miss again, they'll go with producer Thom Bell.
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 10:34am
Philip, That's true and I didn't really think of that when I posted earlier. Many Rock Critics are already on the Nominating Committee so it would basically be like a power-trip for them to induct themselves. Good point taken (BTW, glad you are standing up and fighting the good fight; enjoying your previous posts). I totally agree that the Rock Hall should induct Producers or Songwriters in the Non-Performer Category. I'm really rooting for Bernie Taupin and the Rock Hall would love it because they would have Elton John induct and probably perform at the ceremony (big name attraction).
Posted by Nick on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 10:39am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 11:01am
Ben - I'm sorry for your loss - best wishes, my friend.
Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 11:02am
What do you call a man that believes they can educate a woman on what sexism is? Would you also presume to educate African Americans and Hispanics on what racism is?
Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 11:16am
Philip: Keep up the good work!
Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 12:30pm
Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 12:41pm
Posted by KING on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 13:05pm
If Lesley Gore would be nominated for the HOF, I'm sure she'd be another that would get in in a heartbeat. She would get a huge boost from Quincy Jones. For some reason it is easy to forget that he produced her hits.
Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 13:24pm
And Ben, my condolences for you and your family.
Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 13:25pm
Ben I'm also sorry to hear of your loss. It's always tough when that happens.
Posted by Nick on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 15:05pm
Greg F: I agree with a lot of your choices, but I have a few differences:
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 15:32pm
I expect the induction of the 5 Royales will get a follow-up and Chuck Willis will be inducted as an Early Influence within the next years. I see the JB's getting inducted eventually as sidemen, or how that category is called these days, but that doesn't have to happen right away. Maybe this year could be the time for The Wailers.
Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 15:40pm
Thank you all for your Wishes and Condolences on the Passing of my Mom. She was 79. This whole time I've been posting she has been gone. She's been gone almost 3 Months.
Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 15:41pm
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 19:44pm
Ben: I'm sorry about your mother. Sending my condolences.
Posted by SotN on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 20:26pm
"What do you call a man that believes they can educate a woman on what sexism is?"
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 20:28pm
I'd like to add my voice to the chorus of condolences for the loss of your mother, Ben. I hope some of the pain of her loss is assuaged by memories of a good life well lived.
Posted by AlexVoltaire on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 22:04pm
"A guy in an HR training video! *rimshot*" -Philip
Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 22:38pm
Philip, That was an epic post.
Posted by Nick on Sunday, 11.8.15 @ 22:40pm
Posted by Evan on Monday, 11.9.15 @ 15:05pm
Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.9.15 @ 18:40pm
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11.10.15 @ 00:51am
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11.10.15 @ 04:20am
Just to let everyone know, Charles Crossely Jr. just posted his breakdown of the 2016 nominees.
Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 11.11.15 @ 18:33pm
Sorry, here's the correct link:
Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 11.11.15 @ 18:36pm
Now I have a question. Does anyone here know when the Actual 2016 Inductees will be announced. I figure as we continue having fun chatting about the Nominees it would be good know when the actual announcement.
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 06:16am
FRL tweeted sometime back that ballots are due on December 15 and in past years the announcements usually came with in a week or two of the due date. So I would expect an announcement before Christmas.
Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 08:03am
Didn't you see any of the ballots that were tweeted? December 15 is when the ballots have to be in. Are we going to know the inductees before December 23?
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 08:33am
I'd like to add a little something new to Charles Crossley's list. This features all of the nominee's work on Rolling Stone magazine's lists. Also, songs that have been inducted into the RRHOF are included. The RS500 songs are based off the 2009 list. The albums is from the 2003 list (I know its been updated since, but misplaced my old magazine).
Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 12:09pm
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 13:55pm
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 14:05pm
I'll mull that over. Chicago has a lot of Material. I'll figure it Out. There isn't too much to chat about on the Nominees at the moment that hasn't been said already. There seems to be a lull in the Chats
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 15:09pm
You know something will blow up and start a flurry of discussion. I'd give it a week at the most.
Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 16:01pm
Posted by KING on Thursday, 11.12.15 @ 21:30pm
Jason, thank you for that analysis. Would not surprise me if The Smiths make the cut. Certainly the most feted band (RSwise) among those nominated.
Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 11.13.15 @ 07:03am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 11.13.15 @ 09:36am
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11.14.15 @ 09:24am
Do former nominating committee members still get to vote on who gets inducted? Do they get ballots mailed to them?
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11.14.15 @ 09:36am
I'm going to stir up some Chat myself. What happens to people I like and deserve Induction that are significantly Older than others. I'm thinking about Joe Tex. I've known him over the Years. A few tunes. Has his time for Induction passed due to the Nom Com change. Granted most people I support come much later. He was in the 60s. However there are so many heavyweights of Later times that have need of Induction.
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.14.15 @ 10:37am
Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 11.14.15 @ 13:04pm
I'd like to add that even if the Smiths do make it into the Hall next year, I don't think it would be anything worth looking forward to. Sure, they'd get great recognition for their influential/innovative career, but that's it. We sure won't be holding our breath for an on-stage reunion, that's for sure. You know something's bad when Morrissey turns down a quarter of a billion dollars to not reunite with his old bandmates. Also, if you haven't already: check out Johnny Marr's album that came out a year ago (Easy Money). You'll be glad that you did.
Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 11.14.15 @ 13:09pm
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.14.15 @ 13:40pm
Good points, Ben. The 60s and the 80s are my favorite decades in music, all-around. They can be compared in many ways. The 60s can be broken down from the psychedelic era, Motown/soul, British Invasion, and what I call the 'Innocent age' from 1960-1963. Or technically, January 1964 right before the Beatles broke to America. Sadly, a lot of acts from the 'Innocent age' will probably not be inducted. The Marvelettes, who peaked during that period, were the last to be considered into the HOF. Not saying all from that era deserve it (Bobby Vinton, Shelley Fabares and Nino Tempo/April Stevens, anyone?), but you have those like Jan & Dean, Bobby Vee and Gary US Bonds that are way overdue. We can debate all we want to about Chubby Checker (ha!). I call it the 'Innocent age' because that's mostly when rock and roll took a backseat.
Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 11.14.15 @ 17:55pm
Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11.15.15 @ 15:44pm
Ben, thanks for bringing up Patsy Cline.
Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 11.16.15 @ 09:28am
I'll join in a bit on the discussion of artists from the first decade of rock and roll (1953-1963)
Posted by Donnie on Monday, 11.16.15 @ 10:29am
I definitely agree with you about Peter, Paul and Mary, Joan Baez Chubby Checker and Patsy Cline.
Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 11.16.15 @ 15:06pm
Here is my prediction for the Class of 2016.
Posted by Kyle on Wednesday, 11.18.15 @ 06:29am
Posted by KING on Wednesday, 11.18.15 @ 20:19pm
It just hit me how silly it is that Deep Purple hasn't been inducted yet. They have been eligible since 1993. 22 years ago. In 1993, Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers were inducted. In a sane world, swap out Deep Purple for Frankie Lymon and nobody would have noticed or said a word.
Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 11.18.15 @ 22:10pm
Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers where hugely influential. Straight from Wikipedia:
Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 11.18.15 @ 22:14pm
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11.19.15 @ 05:58am
Posted by KING on Thursday, 11.19.15 @ 22:03pm
Posted by Roy on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 01:49am
I personally don't think that the JB's should be inducted. At least not before the ORIGINAL JAMES BROWN BAND. They were far more iconic, and played on 10 times as many hits to boot !!! While Famous Flames founder BOBBY BYRD definitely deserves to be inducted a second time (without HIM and The Flames, people would be saying "James WHO ??")inducting simply the post 1970 Band would leave out many stellar players as JB Bandleaders NAT JONES, ALFRED ELLIS, and J.C. DAVIS , as well as : CLYDE STUBBLEFIELD, CLAYTON FILLAU,BERNARD PURDIE, JIMMY NOLEN, WAYMON REED ,BERNARD ODUM,and other members of the Original James Brown Band that were NOT a part of the later band , The JB's.
Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 02:41am
Posted by Ben on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 04:39am
So recently, I worked on a project, where I basically went back and re-made the entire Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. For each year from 1986-2016, I came up with my own nominees, and my own inductees for each year. I went back and made a master list of every notable artist that became eligible for every year and chose from the list of eligible artists. My original plan was to do 30 nominees, and 10 inductees for the first 10 years of the Hall, then cut it down to about 20 nominees and 8 inductees for the next 10 years after that, but the 30 nominees, 10 inductees format worked so well, I ended up just sticking with that format for the entire 30 years.
Posted by Donnie on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 15:38pm
Posted by Donnie on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 15:46pm
Posted by Donnie on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 15:51pm
Posted by Donnie on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 15:57pm
Are you picking more than the hall? There were several years that there were more inductions than you have.
Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 22:26pm
Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 22:44pm
Posted by Donnie on Friday, 11.20.15 @ 23:19pm
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 07:08am
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 10:58am
What we can say about the exercise is at least Artists like Chicago a fav of yours Zuzu and Moody Blues and various others are Inducted sooner than in the Real Hall.
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 12:27pm
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 13:16pm
Chicago will win the 2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame poll and they will be inducted. Will Chicago finally get a Rolling Stone Magazine cover story? Will there also be a Rolling Stone Special Collectors Edition on Chicago? If so, should it just be the Chicago logo all over the front cover, staying in theme with all of Chicago's album covers? The Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Beach Boys and the Bee Gees have all been on the cover of Rolling Stone, as well as having been given special collectors edition magazines made just for them.
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 15:48pm
From this list, Who do I think will be inducted?
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 18:40pm
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 18:52pm
ZuZu - Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin not in the Hall of Fame? That is laughably stupid. They defined two different genres and influenced thousands of bands. If anything Black Sabbath should have been nominated and inducted on the first ballot like Led Zeppelin. You need to stop letting YOUR bias get in the way of what acts should be inducted and face the facts. Just because you are old and have your own favorites from that time does not mean you get to dismiss acts YOU do not like. Your ignorant takes and condescending tone on this site is so insulting to everyone else on here. Please go away!
Posted by Go Away ZuZu on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 19:34pm
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 20:38pm
Can someone else school Zuzu on Led Zeppelin? I have to wrap my head around that post from earlier today. Congrads Donnie on that list; don't let Zuzu's negativity bring you down. It was a good list and of course there's a level of bias when you're the sole decider. I applaud your work there.
Posted by Nick on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 21:43pm
Black Sabbath nominated 8 times before being inducted - really impressive. They didn't really sell in the US during the 70s - just check it out.
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 22:06pm
Phil or should I say Zach. Nick should I say I'm not surprised. Zep was also well know for something else. You guys really need to look things up.
Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 22:15pm
Zuzu, why take things so personally? Led Zeppelin had been sued before but why should they be removed from the Rock Hall? You know this will NEVER happen. Artists get sued also l don't get your logic there. If that was the case then many artists in the hall and future potential hall of famers would not be considered (hip hop acts immediately comes to mind like Kayne West and Jay Z, who love them or hate them will be in the Rock Hall and probably first ballot Hall of Famers). Also Black Sabbath is highly influential for their contributions to the heavy metal genre. You can dismiss like them but they are a supremely important group. For me I think they were a polarizing act for many voters (which is why it took 8 nominations) because heavy metal/hard rock is a tough sell with the voters. Finally you say that we should all "look things up", then why don't you post links to support your claims? I applaud Bill G for posting helpful links when he writes about classic R&B and soul artists. Maybe you should take that from him.
Posted by Nick on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 22:24pm
Led Zeppelin did heavily borrow from the blue artists like Howling Wolf, Muddy Waters and Willie Dixon. Nobody can deny that, especially in their earliest albums. I'm not denying they didn't incorporate heavily from these artists but it's insane to think that Led Zeppelin should be removed for that reason alone. Yeah they are a little shady with copyrights and what not (Dixon did successfully sue them many years ago after his granddaughter brought that to his attention)?but still if that was the case then many Hall of Famers would be removed by that logic.
Posted by Nick on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 22:44pm
Led Zeppelin did heavily borrow from the blue artists like Howling Wolf, Muddy Waters and Willie Dixon. Nobody can deny that, especially in their earliest albums. I'm not denying they didn't incorporate heavily from these artists but it's insane to think that Led Zeppelin should be removed for illegally obtaining the rights to use those songs. Yes it's terrible to not pay the royalties but many artists get sued for copyrights and misuse of songs without permission.Yeah they are a little shady with copyrights and what not (Dixon did successfully sue them many years ago after his granddaughter brought that to his attention)?but still if that was the case then many Hall of Famers would be removed by that logic.
Posted by Nick on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 22:47pm
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 23:05pm
Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 11.21.15 @ 23:53pm
Just look under most nominated artist on this site for Black Sabbath.
Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 00:47am
"So there is a legitimate reason to petition the hall to remove zep and Jimmy Page. It can easily be argued that people were actually influenced by the artist zep stole from. The truth hurts but it still is the truth." - Zuzu
Posted by Arrow Man on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 01:00am
You know I've been poking around this site for awhile but I never put up anything until now. I wasn't sure if I wrote something somebody disagreed with that I wouldn't be swarmed upon by some killer bees. I know what you mean. The concept of a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seems so spectacular but at the end of the day we each have our own halls of fame in our own ipods, cds, personal music collections. Its a nice website but seems a little overkill. We're only talking about music here. Way more things going on in the world to be concerned with.
Posted by Zechariah on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 02:41am
"Its a nice website but seems a little overkill. We're only talking about music here. Way more things going on in the world to be concerned with." - Zechariah
Posted by Arrow Man on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 03:21am
Posted by KING on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 03:29am
Pete Rose's gambling... as far as I understood it, they didn't have a problem with him betting on games he had nothing to do with, only on games that he was involved with because they felt it gave him an impetus to throw games. He still maintains that he never bet on a game he was a part of.
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 08:17am
Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 11:52am
I wasn't expecting a huge, giant debate/argument to arise from my project listing on here, although with Zuzu in our ever presence, I shouldn't have been surprised.
Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 12:19pm
Posted by KING on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 18:17pm
Thank you King for your response.
Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 20:22pm
KING, thanks for setting me straight. I stand corrected.
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 21:01pm
Philip & Donnie
Posted by KING on Sunday, 11.22.15 @ 21:54pm
There is a convicted murderer in the RRHoF: Phil Spector. I think everybody would agree that he is a musical genius, but also among the most horrible persons in the Rock Hall. Do you think he should be kicked out the hall?
Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 01:42am
Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 05:35am
To answer The Claw's question, that's really tough decision to make.
Posted by Donnie on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 07:16am
When I stated in the middle of my above post that "while he never murdered anyone" I meant before he was honored by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Posted by Donnie on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 07:19am
Want to also state for record that Pete Rose & the steroid cheats should never be in baseball HOF.
Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 07:29am
Donnie, for what it's worth, I liked your project a great deal and take it for what I think you intended: a fun exercise to show the folly only inducting five artists for many years.
Posted by AlexVoltaire on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 07:55am
Based on that Troy Smith article on FRL’s Twitter feed, if N.W.A., let alone LL Cool J and Afrika Bambaataa, are having a tough time getting inducted in the Rock Hall, then what the hell are Bone Thugs-N-Harmony’s chance? Zero to none.
Posted by Nick on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 15:41pm
Based on that Troy Smith article on FRL’s Twitter feed, if N.W.A., let alone LL Cool J and Afrika Bambaataa, are having a tough time getting inducted in the Rock Hall, then what the hell are Bone Thugs-N-Harmony’s chances? Zero to none.
Posted by Nick on Monday, 11.23.15 @ 15:42pm
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11.24.15 @ 07:25am
Thank you Ben for the comments.
Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 11.24.15 @ 10:09am
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11.24.15 @ 12:50pm
So to move on. As far as the true Nominees for 2016. I don't think it will be all Classic Rock as I've said. So the Classic Rock with the most chance I think is the Cars, Chicago and Yes. Deep Purple and Steve Miller would have a good chance but there is the R&B to consider. The Hall is insisting year after year on Chic. They aren't the best choice in the first place but they insist on recognizing the influence of its members.
Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11.25.15 @ 04:24am
From this list of 2015 nominees, Who do I think will be inducted?
Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 11.26.15 @ 12:20pm
To think that Yes, Chicago, The Cars, Steve Miller and The Cars will all be inducted is downright hysteria.
Posted by Marissa on Thursday, 11.26.15 @ 22:58pm
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.1.15 @ 05:40am
I'M STILL STICKING WITH MY FINAL PREDICTION
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.1.15 @ 07:53am
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.1.15 @ 17:19pm
Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 12.1.15 @ 17:53pm
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.1.15 @ 17:54pm
I am going out on a limb somewhat and predicting who will be the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees for 2016. First, I think The J.B.'s will be inducted in the Award for Musical Excellence category. Our inducting The J.B.'s into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project two months ago has precipitated the eventual induction to come. Now, here is who I think will be inducted in the Performers category.
Posted by Lax32 on Tuesday, 12.1.15 @ 22:29pm
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12.3.15 @ 14:14pm
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.6.15 @ 06:39am
Well Would you look at that. The Top 3 for the Rock Hall Fan Vote are the 3 Classic Rock acts I predict. Unfortunately I know the deal with the Fan Vote. Each act only gets just one Vote I recall. It may serve as a pattern for the Regular Voters.
Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12.6.15 @ 15:56pm
"It may serve as a pattern for the Regular Voters."
Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.6.15 @ 17:30pm
Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12.6.15 @ 18:23pm
I'll just finalize my predictions right now:
Posted by SotN on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 00:41am
Here’s my final predictions for the 2016 Rock Hall Ceremony:
Posted by Nick on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 01:38am
Since we're about one or two weeks left before the Hall announces the 2016 inductees, here is my prediction:
Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 01:58am
I think this was an outstanding ballot by the Committee. My 2015 Nominees and 2016 Inductees will be: 1.Chicago 2.Deep Purple 3.Janet Jackson 4.Nine Inch Nails 5.Steve Miller 6.The Spinners. This should be a strong induction class with a mix of younger & older artists. Chic & YES could sneak a spot. One of the posters Nick made a good point on the Hall's love for these blues artists. Steve Miller might benefit from that. Like many of the FRL regulars, I would not be surprised at any particular 5 or 6 group list considering the brilliance of the ballot. KING
Posted by KING on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 03:39am
I do agree. This was a great ballot for the Committee. I'm going to repost my list of predictions for the 2016 Inductees.
Posted by Ben on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 04:43am
Posted by Roy on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 06:13am
First of all I am not drinking the Kool-Aid. From this list, Who do I think will be inducted?
Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 09:31am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 09:34am
About the 2016 Nominees, Enigmaticus wrote:
Posted by Roy on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 10:53am
Posted by KING on Monday, 12.7.15 @ 20:16pm
It's humorous when a person gets so blinded for the frees so to speak. Janet's induction bodes very well for a DD nomination. Unbeknownst to me - they've been monitoring and asking for best practices for over a year or so. If Janet doesn't happen to get in, she';; likely receive another nod since Unbreakable and the sold out World Tour are booked well through October. Bottom line - if that happens, #InductJanet ratchets up. And your fellows Duran Duran or Sade may continue to sit out. Just some friendly food for though.
Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 00:59am
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 06:05am
Any chance this will be an all-american induction ceremony?
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 07:35am
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 07:48am
The 2016 Rock Hall Poll closes tomorrow!
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 07:53am
Thank you Roy,
Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 08:53am
Thank you KING
Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 09:45am
Enigmaticus: I remember reading that Chris Squire wanted Rush to induct him (and Yes by default) into the Hall of Fame, and assuming a reunion, Rush may jam on stage with them. I'd have to imagine how something like that would sound.
Posted by SotN on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 14:00pm
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.8.15 @ 17:18pm
Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12.9.15 @ 06:36am
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.9.15 @ 07:02am
At what time will the fan poll close today? 10AM or 5PM?
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.9.15 @ 07:04am
Ben, very sorry to hear of your car accident. Hope things get a lot better soon.
Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12.9.15 @ 07:57am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12.9.15 @ 08:11am
Let's try this again; shall we?
Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12.9.15 @ 08:19am
The fan poll is still open.
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.9.15 @ 18:25pm
Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 00:52am
"Your only problem with inducting one progressive rock act per year is the risk of having posthumous inductions. The youngest members of the first generation of progressive rock bands are now in their mid 60's; the oldest members are now in their mid 70's."
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 00:56am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 02:08am
And to really add insult to injury, our prog equivalent of Muddy Waters (King Crimson), Little Richard (Yes) and Robert Johnson (The Moody Blues) have not been inducted yet. Also, it took the prog equivalent of James Brown (Pink Floyd) 4 years to be inducted. Our version of Ray Charles (Genesis) had followed them in 14 years later. Finally, our prog equivalent of Chuck Berry (Rush) was inducted 3 years afterwards. So, now that our prog equivalent of Little Richard (Yes) is up for induction, we are very excited, but we had waited 3 additional years for that to occur.
Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 03:15am
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 05:25am
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 06:08am
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 06:35am
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 06:37am
If Chic, Chicago and Yes are all being inducted in 2016, the ceremony will have to be on April 19, 20, or 21. 21 if they do rehearsals on the 19th and the 20th.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 07:10am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 07:59am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 08:27am
Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 11:07am
Enigmaticus: I wanted to post soon after your comment, but I wasn't sure how to begin a reply. For now, I'll go with this:
Posted by SotN on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 16:04pm
My final predictions:
Posted by dmg on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 16:05pm
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 17:29pm
Too bad its a fraud vote.
Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 17:37pm
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 17:41pm
Posted by Scott Fitz on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 19:35pm
Amen Gassman; the 2016 Fan Vote was rigged no many how many times Roy posts the final results.
Posted by Nick on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 20:01pm
Not to mention prog is nowhere near as important to the foundations of rock 'n' roll as blues and R&B are. In face, some folks have even argued that rap is closer to true rock'n'roll than prog. Something to ponder.
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 21:45pm
"In face, some folks have even argued that rap is closer to true rock'n'roll than prog." -Philip
Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 22:52pm
It's kinda great that all of FRL predictions for the 2016 Rock Hall are almost the same as mine (I chose Yes; FRL chose Nine Inch Nails. Either way I'd be happy). I do have the feeling there will be 6 inductees this year thou.
Posted by Nick on Thursday, 12.10.15 @ 22:55pm
Critical acclaim rankings from acclaimedmusic.net:
Posted by Sean on Friday, 12.11.15 @ 00:29am
Tom DeSavia: The J.B.'s, The Spinners, Los Lobos, Cheap Trick, The Cars
Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.11.15 @ 07:32am
Posted by dmg on Friday, 12.11.15 @ 09:30am
About the 2016 Nominees, dmg wrote:
Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.11.15 @ 10:03am
Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.11.15 @ 10:27am
https://www.facebook.com/rockhallmike/p ... 9199910429
Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.11.15 @ 22:33pm
SO it is finally coming Up. The Rock Hall Inductees for the Class of 2016 will be announced in 5 days on Thursday Dec 17th. That is exciting. I will not go on tangents anymore about predictions for Future classes. Now then some Years ago Inductees were more obvious like Elton John, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd in fact, Fleetwood Mac, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Eric Clapton, James Taylor. What has happened over time is inductees are often not as obvious as they used to be in terms of Common or critical appeal or were passed over because of some cult favs they like in the Hall.
Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12.12.15 @ 10:04am
Hey guys Janet Jackson will be on tour in Europe around the time of the Induction ceremony so I think they will wait and induct Janet in 2017 or later
Posted by richie on Saturday, 12.12.15 @ 21:09pm
It appears that the date of the ceremony may by April 8, 2016. If that's the case, Janet has a 5 day break in her schedule of sold out European dates.
Posted by Marissa on Saturday, 12.12.15 @ 21:37pm
Hey Guys I'm sometimes the first post of the Morning. I will stop my Posts on here in a couple days just before the Big announcement. I read the Future Rock Legends predictions for the 2016 Inductees. I do have 3 that are the same. Chic, Chicago and Janet Jackson. This is the FRL who predict just like Us. I don't really agree with NIN and N.W.A. for this year. FRL predicts Steve Miller, I predict him as a 7th inductee. I just think that Yes and Chaka Khan are being inducted too as well as the Cars. I mentioned this in many different ways.
Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 06:16am
Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 10:20am
That is sort of a response. Yes that is true. I will also mention that I like Stevie Wonder and Earth, Wind & Fire quite a bit. They got in pretty promptly. Later on though The Hall were so anxious to get U2 in for example that they forgot about previous Classic Rock & R&B artists. The 5 a year messed things up a lot too. Nothing against U2 I suppose but the critics love them so they were in so promptly. Same thing with the Sex Pistols. They were rather prompt. More prompt then either the Spinners or Chicago/ Punk got supported without enough attention to Classic artists from before both Rock & R&B by then. The Spinners, Pointer Sisters and War for sure were worth considering at that time.
Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 11:30am
My philosophy is that it isn't about "when", but "if". Artists inducted in 1990 aren't "more inducted" than artists inducted in 2010. If they're worthy, they'll get their recognition.
Posted by dmg on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 11:59am
How I'd revise the process:
Posted by dmg on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 13:11pm
As mentioned, Janet has a break in the European leg of her tour. She can make a plane trip back from England to attend the Hall of Fame show and then go back in time to perform the next show the following day.
Posted by Tim on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 14:50pm
Bill, again you really need to step out of that bubble. Saying that a whopping, 4 A-level, high impact Rap/Hip Hop acts getting in before a laundry list of B, C and D level R&B acts is a problem is just as absurd as always. I'd be more than happy to see most of those you list get in, but there's no reason that Public Enemy, Grandmaster Flash, the Beastie Boys and Run-DMC should have waited in line behind any of them.
Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 18:12pm
Two things I wish to comment on while the discussion is open. More my opinions, but still.
Posted by SotN on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 19:55pm
Alright. I may have gone too far with the U2 comment. Yeah they are pretty major Ok. The biggest problem is when the Inductee list was only 5 a year. That was really the problem. If had been more like 7 or 8 then U2, Blondie and the Ronettes could have all gone in at the same time. Just an example. I got carried away. I agreed with the Clash going in when they did. So yes the Sex Pistols going when they did is fine. I went too far. Sorry.
Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 20:04pm
Why not Waldorf Astoria for 2016? It's a much more formal look. I've always wished Chicago would be inducted into the Rock Hall at the Waldorf Astoria, with VH1 Classic producing the video biographies at the ceremony. Too bad it's HBO.
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 20:32pm
One thing we all seem to agree on is that the five inductee classes really screwed things up. The ballot this year really annoyed me because of how skewed in one direction it is. If you took out Chicago, Deep Purple, Yes, the Cars, Steve Miller and Cheap Trick and replaced them with the Cure, Depeche Mode, Black Flag, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Sonic Youth and Joy Division (roughly an 80s Alt equivalent in stature to this years classic rock nominees), I think that my initial visceral reaction to the ballot would naturally be positive, but after a few minutes I'd have to concede that it's too heavy in one direction to be a credible ballot. Putting too many acts from one musical neighborhood on the same ballot waters all of them and their accomplishments down. They end up looking like one big blob where none of them shine or stand out. And like I said, I don't think it's credible at this point for any era or genre to dominate a ballot or class to that extent. As far as snubs go, the acts of A+ level importance of every era are all in. Chuck Berry, Elvis, the Beatles, the Stone, the Who, Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, the Clash, REM, U2, Madonna, Prince, Public Enemy, Nirvana -- those would be credibility killing snubs for the Hall. Right now there are a lot of puzzling and absurd omissions clear across the spectrum, but I think that classes and ballots lacking in diversity, both in musical and demographic terms is a bigger credibility blow for the RRHoF than any individual snubs are. If it weren't for those five act classes it's an issue that may not exist.
Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 20:45pm
Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 23:18pm
Dave Marsh made the comment that last year we got the strongest class from a weak ballot. I can't help thinking how funny it would be if this year we got the weakest class from a very strong ballot. Something like an induction class of The J.B.'s, Chaka Khan, Los Lobos, The Smiths, and Chic. I'd actually be happy to see Los Lobos and The Smiths get in, but can you just imagine the outrage if the class looked like that? Getting very excited for the announcement on Thursday. It'll be the perfect way to start to my birthday.
Posted by Greg P. on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 23:21pm
Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.13.15 @ 23:40pm
Posted by Ben on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 04:51am
"I'm sorry about that post. We do all seem to agree that the 5 Inductee Classes screwed things up. I don't even know why the Hall did that. I experienced those at the time. Many many of us did."
Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 07:38am
Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 08:48am
Posted by Ben on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 09:49am
Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 18:09pm
Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 18:33pm
Posted by Ben on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 19:14pm
I agree with Darin that posts where we talk about our musical listening background and how it shaped as overall music fans are among the most interesting to read, so I'll join in on that discussion.
Posted by Donnie on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 19:14pm
I actually grew up listening to prog. I was born in '78 and my father's music collection consisted of Pink Floyd, The Moody Blues, and The Alan Parsons Project mostly, though he did listen to a lot of Fleetwood Mac, The Police, Yes, and others.
Posted by dmg on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 20:44pm
"That's how I discovered the space ambient composer Jonn Serrie,'
Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 20:57pm
That is a very, very brief synopsis of my musical life.
Posted by dmg on Monday, 12.14.15 @ 20:59pm
Today is the deadline for the official ballots to arrive in the mail at the Rock Hall and be counted.
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 04:58am
Well That was some interesting Posts about people's Musical listening backround. I was born wayyy back in 1965. So I guess that can often create a different Music backround. My Dad certainly did not grow Up with any Rock. He was a kid in the time of Glenn Miller and Charlie Parker along with lots of Classical. All the intense Rock Listening belongs to me.
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 05:33am
There are only two days left before the big announcement of who will be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame in 2016.
Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 08:50am
Prior to Rush's induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame in 2013, the members of Rush (Geddy and Alex) had listed four acts who had also deserved to be in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame: The Moody Blues, Yes, Deep Purple and King Crimson. If Yes and Deep Purple are inducted in 2016, I think that The Moody Blues will be the next "prog" group to be inducted alongside another much loved "prog" band who had been described erroneously as "synth pop": Duran Duran. What do you think?
Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 09:05am
Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 17:35pm
Future Rock Legends didn't predict Deep Purple.
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 18:36pm
Given a lot of thought about who might be inducted. Here's my best guess at who will be getting in.
Posted by Tom H. on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 19:27pm
Do artists who were inducted multiple times get multiple ballots? (Does Eric Clapton get to vote 3 times?)
Posted by dmg on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 20:32pm
"Do artists who were inducted multiple times get multiple ballots? (Does Eric Clapton get to vote 3 times?)"
Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 20:41pm
FINAL PICKS FOR 2016 INDUCTION:
Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 12.15.15 @ 23:28pm
Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 01:03am
The leak starts at midnight!
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 06:55am
Alright. Tomorrow is the day of the announcement. I always seem to be off in some way with this each year. I do have backups like Steve Miller if there is 7. He could end up in the 6 I figure. I will also say that despite not liking them N.W.A. could get pushed in. They are a Key Rap group. I do know that. I am keeping them outside my actual predictions. I am still saying no to Nine Inch Nails. Too many others I think that are more possible. So I am saying that N.W.A. is more possible.
Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 08:59am
Great choices Tim and Ben. I posted my 6 choices last week and they were very similar to FRL's choices. My choices are Steve Miller, Janet Jackson, Chic, Yes, Chicago and N.W.A.
Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 09:40am
Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 09:54am
A couple things:
Posted by AlexVoltaire on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 11:40am
Alex I didn't realize you published your predictions on your blog. Great choices as well. It's a shame Eno can't get on the Rock Hall ballot with Roxy Music yet. He might as well go in the musical excellence/non-performer category. I'll be checking on the blog later today. Usually I visit your blog vis FRL but I thought it was odd that you haven't been listed in the twitter feed at the top of the homepage the last couple of weeks. Keep up the great work on the blog, it's always insightful and well-argued.
Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 13:22pm
Thank you for your kind words, Nick.
Posted by AlexVoltaire on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 14:56pm
My 'final' predictions.
Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 15:38pm
Ok. This is my last post before the Big announcement. I told you all my Predictions for Inductees in 2016 Rock Hall class as Performers. I was just trying to think about the special categories. I am not so good at that. I don't have enough knowledge to predict the Early Influence. No clue. I tried thinking about Musical Excellence. I am a blank on that too just because I can't think of anyone. The best I could say is that it may perhaps be someone from the Same era as Ringo Starr for last year. I have no particular person in mind though. So I got nothing.
Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 16:12pm
Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 16:27pm
My predictions (Prior to the possible Deep Purple Leak);
Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 17:38pm
I've been following the RRHoF long enough to know that a prediction where you just draw 5 names randomly out of a hat has probably as much or even more chance of accuracy than a prediction that's well thought out and justified.
Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 18:41pm
THE 2016 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 19:38pm
Since Cheap Trick and Deep Purple seem to be a lock based on leaks, I'll go with this as my final prediction:
Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 21:25pm
Posted by Tim on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 21:47pm
Post-leak, I'll still hold to my guns. Hope I'm wrong, but for now:
Posted by SotN on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 22:07pm
How awful if they really only induct 5.
Posted by DC on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 23:01pm
If what Eddie Trunk put out was true, then I must say it's a part-disappointment, part-blessing.
Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 23:23pm
Y'know, I don't hate any of those acts, it just really sucks about the lack of variety. Really don't want this to turn into the "White Guys Playing Guitars" Hall Of Fame.
Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 23:39pm
I'm pretty much of the same thinking. I can't begrudge or argue against any of these acts individually, but if true, this is an unfortunate class for the Rock Hall. Hopefully the secondary categories can add a little depth and diversity.
Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12.16.15 @ 23:59pm
I have the same thoughts as well when I heard about the Cheap Trick leak hours earlier. Even though they deserve induction, the only inductees that I'm okay with are Cheap Trick and N.W.A (which coincidentally both of them didn't make the top 5 on the official fan ballot).
Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 12.17.15 @ 00:14am
You should join the Twitter conversation, Darin. Charles, Tom, and I are enjoying the what-the-frackery.
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.17.15 @ 00:15am
I just tweeted somewhere about what an appropriate class this is for the Donald Trump era.
Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 12.17.15 @ 00:27am
Thanks for the suggestion, Philip. But sadly, I don't have a Twitter, and I'm not planning on making one for a little while. But you're tempting me to make one.
Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 12.17.15 @ 00:31am
I'm still waiting for the official announcement.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.17.15 @ 01:04am
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.17.15 @ 01:16am
FRL Regulars and Music Fans.
Posted by KING on Saturday, 12.19.15 @ 18:26pm
With Janet's "Unbreakable" debuting at #1 (her seventh) and the album receiving rave reviews across the board, that should be enough for another nomination this year. She wrote and co-produced every track on the album. Janet's had a #1 album in the past four consecutive decades and only one of three artists to Achieve that feat. Any guesses on the other 2 artists?
Posted by Marissa on Tuesday, 01.12.16 @ 02:31am
I also glad to see some names that were long over due. Chicago, Steve Miller, Deep Purple are all well over due. I thought that NWA was an outside shot considering the other acts that there just a formidable but the glad the movie showed their talent. I would love to see Yes, Pat Benatar, Chic, ELO, Eric B and Rakim, Ben E King, Kraftwork (All the techno music they pioneered it), The Doobie Brothers, They are all deserving and should not continue to be overlooked. I am hoping they find a better way let the public's voice to hear instead of the critics. Alot of these groups music is sampled by the hottest artists today.
Posted by Cherie on Thursday, 01.14.16 @ 16:39pm
My suggestion for the 2017 Hall of Fame nominee ballot:
Posted by dmg on Sunday, 01.31.16 @ 14:11pm
Add Pat Benatar and Sonic Youth (Kim Gordon) and that would be an awesome list of nominees.
Posted by Nick on Sunday, 01.31.16 @ 16:35pm
That's actually a great mental exercise, dmg. If you had to design the next ballot entirely out of female acts, what would that ballot be? Bonus if you can keep it all minorities. Mine? Just spitballing, not a definitive list:
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 01.31.16 @ 16:40pm
Here's my stab at an all-female ballot:
Posted by AlexVoltaire on Sunday, 01.31.16 @ 17:29pm
Posted by KING on Sunday, 01.31.16 @ 20:40pm
Very intrigued by the all female ballot wish-lists.
Posted by Mike on Monday, 02.1.16 @ 02:04am
Ahh! Forgot solo Tina Turner. Yeah, I tried to keep it all (predominantly) minorities to also counter the heavily White class. Without that stress, Carole King and Pat Benatar would definitely have been on the list, and possibly Patsy, Cher, and Kate.
Posted by Philip on Monday, 02.1.16 @ 21:29pm
Here's my early list of 35 Nominees for 2016 Nomination And 2017 Induction.I will pare it down to 18 artists for Final List.
Posted by KING on Tuesday, 03.15.16 @ 01:39am
It is TIME to nominate Huey Lewis and the News 36 years together and over 19 top ten hits... Why have they not been nominated? .
Posted by Joy on Tuesday, 04.5.16 @ 00:49am
I am so tired of the lack of attention Jethro Tull has received all of these years from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They aren't even exclusively progressive rock. They have performed different genres including blues over the years. Let's face it, the snub is just the end result due to the rude and immature reaction by Metallica when he won a grammy all those years ago. Wrong category perhaps but a grammy long deserved! Here we are , years later still they are being snubbed by this organization. What a joke!
Posted by Donna on Friday, 04.8.16 @ 08:57am
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