Future Rock Legends predicts the 2013
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees


The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee met on Monday, September 10th in New York to determine the nominees for the 2013 induction ceremony.

Update: The 15 nominees have been announced.

Future Rock Legends predicts the following fifteen eligible artists will be on the 2013 ballot:

Artists who have recently been nominated...

  • Donna Summer - It doesn't get any easier to predict than having the chairman of the Nominating Committee publicly support Summer's induction.
    Current Induction Chances: 55%

  • Chic - When you've been nominated six times, it's not "if" but "when." No artist has ever been on the ballot that many times without eventually getting inducted.
    Current Induction Chances: 41%

  • Heart - It's hard to know exactly how much support Heart received from the voters last year, but based on the results of our poll, we suspect it was strong. They should get another chance at induction this year.
    Current Induction Chances: 17%

  • KISS - There are some artists that the Nominating Committee will aggressively nominate every year until they get inducted. There are quite a few others that don't get in the first time on the ballot, but will reappear in two or three years to try again. KISS was previoulsy nominated for the 2010 induction ceremony.
    Current Induction Chances: 40%

  • War - After nominees have a waiting period between nominations, many enter a phase where they get nominated nearly every year until they get eventually get inducted (like The Stooges or Skynyrd).
    Current Induction Chances: 30%

  • Eric B. & Rakim - There will be a strong hip hop presence on the ballot as more and more of the "golden age" of hip hop artists become eligible.
    Current Induction Chances: 41%

  • The Paul Butterfield Blues Band - They have been nominated once, in 2006, but they were name-dropped by none other than Jann Wenner as an artist he'd like to see inducted, during an interview with Paul Shaffer, who also supports them.
    Current Induction Chances: 15%

  • The Spinners - They have a strong enough candidacy that they should be nominated for the second year in a row.
    Current Induction Chances: 8%

Now for artists predicted to make the ballot for the first time...
  • Public Enemy - They are #44 on Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Artists of All Time list and are one of the most important hip hop artists ever.
    Current Induction Chances: 59%

  • N.W.A - Speaking of the greatest hip hop groups ever, N.W.A also becomes eligible this year and should get a nomination.
    Current Induction Chances: 42%

  • Pasty Cline - If the Rock Hall wants to increase the number of women in their halls, it would be difficult to find a better candidate than Patsy Cline.
    Current Induction Chances: 40%

  • Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels - When looking for Hall of Fame candidates, it never hurts to look back to see who influenced Bruce Springsteen.
    Current Induction Chances: 11%

  • Junior Parker - Consider this one a wild card pick. Even he gets nominated, he'll likely get the Freddie King and Wanda Jackson treatment and get inducted as an "Early Influence."
    Current Induction Chances: 4%

  • Stevie Ray Vaughan - It's a bit of a surprise that he hasn't been nominated yet.
    Current Induction Chances: 25%

  • Rush - What else is there to say? It has to happen one of these years, right? Nominating Committee member Cliff Burnstein is Rush's former manager and he successfully steered a band he currently manages, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, into the Rock Hall last year.
    Current Induction Chances: 16%

The "Current Induction Chances" represent the artist's odds of ever being inducted into the Hall of Fame, as calculated by Future Rock Legends and its users.

[Predictions posted September 4, 2012]


Future Rock Legends forecasts which of today's artists will be the next generation's Rock & Roll Hall of Famers by using a combination of historically predictive criteria, user votes, and nomination patterns. The official nominees are determined by the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation's 35-member Nominating Committee.

Artists are eligible for the Rock Hall 25 years after releasing their first record (anyone with a record released up through 1987). Future Rock Legends lists eligible artists by first year of eligiblity or alphabetically.

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deep purple, donna summer, yes, cat stevens, kiss, and the spinners

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 10:30am


Public Enemy, Donna Summer,Sonic Youth, Pixies,The J. Geils Band, Janet Jackson, Captain Beefheart, Roxy Music

Posted by Ryan on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 10:47am


Public Enemy is a lock for a nomination. The Pixies and Janes Addiction will most likely also see nominations now that they're eligible.

Donna Summer will definitely be nominated and I'm hoping to see The Cure nominated again.

I definitely think it's time for a Janet Jackson nomination.

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 10:52am


2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominee predictions

SOLO MEN

Chubby Checker, Chuck Willis, Joe Tex, Gram Parsons, Cat Stevens, Randy Newman, Todd Rundgren

SOLO WOMEN

Mary Wells, Dionne Warwick, Tina Turner, Donna Summer, Janet Jackson

BANDS AND GROUPS

Chic, Chicago, Deep Purple, Heart, Kiss, War, Yes, The Moody Blues, The Marvelettes, The Monkees, Jan and Dean, The Spencer Davis Group

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 11:10am


The Rock Hall has nominated 15 artists on each ballot the last couple of years, so feel free to guess that many in your predictions.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 11:10am


Sidemen and Addendum Nominees

The Belmonts * The Jordanaires * The Funk Brothers * The Wrecking Crew * The Mothers of Invention / The Mothers * The Wailers * Wings * The Silver Bullet Band * The E Street Band * The Revolution

Non-Performer Nominees

Willie Mitchell, Bernie Lowe, John Simon, Arif Mardin, Phil Ramone, Quincy Jones, Richard Barrett, Robert Blackwell, Rudy Toombs,
Bob Crewe, David Porter, Bernie Taupin, David Foster, Jim Steinman, Carole Bayer Sager, Diane Warren, Wolfman Jack, Casey Kasem, Don Cornelius

Kal Mann and Dave Appell
Bert Berns and Jerry Ragovoy
Norman Whitfield and Barret Strong
Burt Bacharach and Hal David
Henry Cosby and Sylvia Moy
Thom Bell and Linda Creed
Boudleaux and Felice Bryant
Nick Ashford and Valerie Simpson

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 11:23am


2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominee predictions

Chubby Checker, Chuck Willis, Joe Tex, Gram Parsons, Cat Stevens, Randy Newman, Todd Rundgren, Mary Wells, Dionne Warwick, Tina Turner, Donna Summer, Janet Jackson, Chic, Chicago, Deep Purple, Heart, Kiss, Rush, War, Yes, The Moody Blues, The Marvelettes, The Monkees, Jan and Dean, The Spencer Davis Group

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 11:29am


I imagine Donna Summer and Public Enemy are locks at the moment. Also in a Donna Summer-style posthumous glow, I wouldn't be surprised to see Deep Purple or The Monkees after losing notable members this year, though I wouldn't be surprised to see either still left out.

I expect the Spinners and Heart to remain on the ballot. I wouldn't be surprised if Bon Jovi returned, but moreso if Kiss did. I expect Chic is also likely to return but a Donna Summer groundswell might prioritize her first of the disco acts. I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Cure hold on though wouldn't be surprised if another of their contemporaries like the Smiths take their spot. I hope maybe the rising recognition of hip hop might let Kraftwerk return to the ballot, but it's not likely. A Randy Newman nomination would also be very welcome, but rather out of left field. He is in line for the singer-songwriter slot though now that both Donovan and Nyro were inducted. (Cat Stevens or Gram Parsons could also figure in here.)

I don't expect Jane's Addiction or Sonic Youth to make it. I also don't expect Eric B. & Rakim to repeat either, but someone of Joe Tex/Chuck Willis/J. Geils is likely to return. Not sure why, but I expect Joan Jett is less likely to return than Rufus or War. I perennially hope Yes makes the ballot, as they have the most going for them of any prog rock group now that Genesis is in.

Those are my early thoughts.

Posted by Jonah on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 11:31am


Last year, if someone had simply picked Gun 'n Roses along with the most recent artists to have been nominated, they'd have had the best prediction on this website.

However, I think this year will have a lot more fluctuation with plenty of the candidates that weren't inducted last year to be chucked out completely.


Donna Summer - Lock for induction.
Public Enemy - Lock for induction.

Remaining Thirteen Artists Vying For Induction:

Lou Reed - Loutallica will get him on their radar. For better or worse.

Deep Purple - Key members' death will give them the populist hard rock slot (Kiss, Bon Jovi, Heart). I actually see them getting in though.

MC5 - Death of Michael Davis will help them get recognition. Also a highly likely inductee.

Chic - They might take a rest and not nominate these guys, but when choosing a list of 15 names, you can't go wrong with picking the record holder for previous nominations without an induction. Nile Rodgers' health issues add to the urgency factor.

Warren Zevon - I think he's the heir apparent to the Laura Nyro/Donovan/Neil Diamond-type slot.

Soundgarden - I think their mainstream success will put them ahead of artists like Sonic Youth, etc. If someone brings their name forward, they will be nominated.

N.W.A. - I think Toure will trump for them after somebody else brings up Public Enemy. He bigged up LL Cool J the last few years although we're not sure how much of a hand he had in helping get The Beastie Boys or Run-DMC nominated.

Joy Division/New Order - The Hall had an exhibit on these two bands like a year or two ago and I feel that the Small Faces/Faces induction has paved the way for something like this to occur. Frankly, I feel that both are enormous omissions, so knocking out two birds with one induction is fine by me.

The Cars - Random.

Steve Miller Band - Taking the J. Geils Band's slot, but with a better overall candidacy and likely far more support.

The Monkees - Kirshner induction + Davy Jones death = nomination

The Zombies - 60's rock (The Hollies/Dave Clark Five slot)

The Marvelettes - Soul/Mo-Town rep.



Inductees:

Deep Purple
Donna Summer
Joy Division/New Order
Lou Reed
MC5
Public Enemy
Soundgarden

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 14:43pm


The Rock Hall has inducted more Performers that had their first release in the 1960s (91) than all of the other decades combined (89).

1940s - 1
1950s - 47
1960s - 91
1970s - 34
1980s - 7

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 16:26pm


I don't see the Pixies or Jane's Addiction making the ballot. Alt-scene acts that had minimal mainstream crossover success (especially in the singles charts) don't usually get nominated when they become eligible. A couple notable exceptions, but they are exceptions, not the rule.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 17:24pm


Rush, Kiss, Bon Jovi, Public Enemy, The Cure, Cat Stevens, Donna Summer, Heart, The Pixies, Gram Parsons, Joe Tex, Kraftwrek, The Sir Douglas Quintet, War, New Order.
Of those I could see a class of KISS, Bon Jovi, Public Enemy, The Cure, Parsons and Summer getting Inducted. Also, if they induct backing bands again it should be Big Brother and the Holding company and The E street band.

Posted by Ben.S on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 19:56pm


I don't see the Pixies or Jane's Addiction making the ballot. Alt-scene acts that had minimal mainstream crossover success (especially in the singles charts) don't usually get nominated when they become eligible. A couple notable exceptions, but they are exceptions, not the rule.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 17:24pm

This doesn't happen very often, but I actually agree with Philip on this. ;)

Both the Pixies and JA have good cases for induction at some point, but neither jump out as first ballot material, especially considering the long line of their direct forebears standing in front of them. Let's not forget what a piss poor job the HoF has done on 70s-80s "Alternative" (for lack of a better phrase) thus far. I'd be pretty surprised if the Pixies and Jane's didn't both have a pretty long wait ahead of them.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 20:16pm


In about a month from now, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee will meet to discuss which artists will be making the cut for being finalists in the Class of 2013 in the Performers category. In the past few years, I believe the involvement of the posters and webmasters at Future Rock Legends has given the Nom Com enough reason to hear the wishes of a grand selection of fans not tied within the industry. Indeed, the last two induction classes have been influenced resoundingly by the artists inducted in our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project; to this day the crown jewel of the website.

With that in mind, I think the Class of 2013 will continue the trend of finally giving recognition to important artists not yet inducted into the RRHOF: yet they are Revisited/Projected inductees. I infer the following artists will be inducted as Performers for 2013.

Peter Gabriel
Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Pixies
Kraftwerk
Deep Purple
Gram Parsons

I will explain in a later post why I think these seven will be inducted. Albeit it may not be all seven; five or six is the apt possibility. Well, to complement the inductees I think we will see before the ned of this year; here are 9 artists I infer will be at least nominated by next month.

Soundgarden
Whitney Houston
Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
Randy Newman
The Cure
The Spinners
Yes
The Monkees
Mary Wells

I will also explain these picks in a later post fairly soon. For now, let me know what you fellow posters think of these predictions. In the end, all of these artists, along with those also inducted into the Revisited/Projected project, are deserving of being inducted into the actual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Who should go in first is a matter not entirely decided upon by consensus.

Curious as to where I could purchase a new vinyl machine,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 21:38pm


My wish list...

Performers

Electric Light Orchestra
Phil Collins
The Alan Parsons Project
The Doobie Brothers
The J. Geils Band
Chicago
Foreigner
Three Dog Night
The Cars
Blood, Sweat & Tears
The Spinners
Bachman-Turner Overdrive

Non-Performers

Casey Kasem
Hugh Padgham

Early Influences

Cab Calloway
Lena Horne

Side-Men

Leland Sklar
Daryl Stuermer

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 21:46pm


The Rock Hall has inducted more Performers that had their first release in the 1960s (91) than all of the other decades combined (89).

1940s - 1
1950s - 47
1960s - 91
1970s - 34
1980s - 7

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Wednesday, 08.15.12 @ 16:26pm

Wow, I knew the Hall was biased towards the 60's, but I didn't know it was THAT bad! They certainly aren't trying to make it less obvious, that's for sure!! lol

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 08.16.12 @ 03:39am


Future Rock Legends wrote:

The Rock Hall has inducted more Performers that had their first release in the 1960s (91) than all of the other decades combined (89).

1940s - 1
1950s - 47
1960s - 91
1970s - 34
1980s - 7

Wow, I knew the Hall was biased towards the 60's, but I didn't know it was THAT bad! They certainly aren't trying to make it less obvious, that's for sure!! lol


Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 08.16.12 @ 03:39am


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Indeed, that is bullshit and it has to stop now, that 70s number is pathetic! >:-(

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Thursday, 08.16.12 @ 07:10am


Here we go again. Let's try & impart a bit of logic based on what this Hall is really all about - money.

On one side, you've a lot of folks saying that they need to get on the ball & induct folks before they're no longer around to enjoy it - see Monkees, Whitney, Summer, Purple, MC5, etc.

On the other side of the equation is the fact that these folks are now financing this little shindig courtesy of a telecast that they hope will draw in paying customers.

It may sound a bit nasty, & frankly it reeks of crass commercialism, but it's also the truth (to some extent). Looking at it in this manner, try this out:

2012

Purple
Houston/Summer - split on the vote, w/one remaining for next yr.
Public Enemy - for the hip-hop end
Soundgarden
The Monkees
War/Spinners - the older R&B act that always makes it
Phl Collins/Peter Gabriel/Warren Zevon - Agree w/Casper about Zevon; however, Collins/Gabriel could get this slot if the Hall decides they no longer want singer/songwriter end of things

In addition, I think one has to look at next years ballot. I've heard everyone talking about the Pixies/Jane's potential vote. Next yr. is the Nirvana yr. which means the top spot is already set. It would not suprise me if the Hall turned next yr. into a Nirvana celebration, & inducted the Pixies & Sonic Youth w/them.

Reasons? One, it would announce that they were moving into a new era (consider a potnetial Soundgarden induction not only commercially viable this yr., but a precursor of things to come). Second, it would make monetary sense next yr. as well.

Strangely, a few of the nominees might be better fits for next yr. While the Monkees are long overdue, & I would want them in this year, they may wait till next year. Not only would it fit the bill of an old 60's act, but if you'll remember, Nirvana often commented on how much they liked the Monkees & the Beatles. In a strange sense, this would dovetail w/ a Pixies/ SY double-header (in addition, it would leave Deep Purple free & clear to take the top older rock act honors this year).

Try this out:

2012

Deep Purple
Houston/Summer
Public Enemy
Soundgarden
War/Spinners

2013

Nirvana
The Monkees
Houston/Summer - other end of the split
Pixies
Sonic Youth

I doubt they really would put both the Pixies & SY in at the same time, though it would definitely break from tradition. I imagine Zevon might fit the bill here as a better option. Both of those billings would work in terms of artistry & money. I don't know - can anyone come up w/a better way to do it?

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 08.16.12 @ 07:38am


they definitely need to induct some prog rock bands soon like yes, moody blues, and rush

Posted by chris on Thursday, 08.16.12 @ 10:30am


N.W.A. and Public Enemy. Double whammy.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Thursday, 08.16.12 @ 13:35pm


NWA will more than likely receive a nomination, but I think Public Enemy will get the induction. Public Enemy had much more longevity, etc.

Posted by Mike on Thursday, 08.16.12 @ 14:14pm


Who I'd like to see get nominated this year:

Captain Beeheart
Yes
Harry Nilsson
The Monkees
Nick Drake
Soundgarden
Kate Bush
Lucinda Williams
Gram Parsons
Joy Division/New Order
Donna Summer
Jim Croce
Poco
Sonic Youth
Kraftwerk

Who I think is likely:

Donna Summer
Deep Purple
Heart
The Spinners
Public Enemy
Bon Jovi
Chic
Cat Stevens
Gram Parsons
Randy Newman
Soundgarden
J. Geils Band
Chuck Willis
Carole King
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 08.16.12 @ 18:53pm


*****DON CORNELIUS (1936-2012)*****

DON CORNELIUS should be inducted as a Non-Performer. He did more to bring R&B and Soul music (and the artists who made it) to the masses than ANY single person in the last 40 years. Ditto to spreading Black Culture and Dance. He highlighted artists that American Bandstand would not touch. And , even in death, he's STILL influencing American Culture, because Soul Train reruns are still airing all over the world. And he highlighted White artists too. Gino Vannelli made his first American Television appearance on Soul Train. Elton John was on too. Tower of Power, The Average White Band, Dennis Coffey,Frankie Valli,Herb Alpert,The Manhattan Transfer, and Shena Easton all made appearances on Soul Train. Yes to Don. (R.I.P.)

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 08.17.12 @ 15:31pm


It's been a few years since I gave this a whirl.

I'll say that of all the big names that passed away this year, only DONNA SUMMER will be nominated since they have already put her on the ballot for several years. If they nominate any of the others like The Monkees or Deep Purple it would just serve to remind everyone how badly the Hall Of Fame has been behind the curve.

I don't think Chic will be on the ballot so as not to split up the disco vote. They will probably re nominate THE SPINNERS instead. They may give BON JOVI one more chance to be inducted this year before all the grunge bands start blowing by them on the highway starting next year. Maybe this could be the year that RUSH receives a nomination since several recent inductees have mentioned them as an influence. And since Neil Diamond was inducted, could THE CARPENTERS be in line for the next soft rock/Adult Contemporary spot (if there is going to be a next soft rock/Adult Contemporary spot?) For the British Invasion/late 60s/early 70s slot I'll say T REX. For the rap/hip hop it's PUBLIC ENEMY. For singer-songwriter I'll say JOE JACKSON. The rest, if there's 15 again: HEART, WAR, JOE TEX, THE SMITHS, THE MARVELETTES, GRAM PARSONS, KATE BUSH

Posted by classicrocker on Saturday, 08.18.12 @ 01:08am


Alright, I'll take a stab:

-Public Enemy
-Donna Summer
-The Cure
-Deep Purple (probably wishful thinking, but Alice Cooper and Kiss eventually made the ballot, so why not)
-Kraftwerk (They had a high profile year and we're a year or two away from getting into the phase where we'll have one or twoo Hall worthy electronic acts becoming eligible each year.)
-Gram Parsons (he's had a few nominations already. I see him back on the ballot soon)
-The Spinners
-Roxy Music (I've heard tale of them having support on the committee for a few years. I'll predict that they pop up this year.)
-Black Flag (I know that Black Flag and Bad Brains have both been considered, so I'll predict that one finally makes the ballot. I'd rather see Buzzcocks go in before we get to Green Day, but I'm not optimistic of that.)
-Bon Jovi (This will either be Bon Jovi, Kiss or Heart IMO. I suppose it's probably BJs turn to come back.)
-The Zombies (The best choice for the 60s rocker slot, IMO.)
-Joe Tex
-The Marvelettes
-Lou Reed
-NWA

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 08.18.12 @ 23:20pm


Lou Reed
Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Hall & Oates
Depeche Mode
Kraftwerk
Whitney Houston
The Cure
War
Roxy Music
Sting
Chic
N.W.A.
Peter Gabriel
Heart

Posted by Brian on Saturday, 08.18.12 @ 23:59pm


I'm just hoping to see Deep Purple, Kraftwerk, the Cure, Joy Division/New Order and the Zombies on the ballot, but I know it's not very likely we'll see all of these at once. One can still hope, though.

(There are others too, but the above are my priorities)

Seeing any, some or all of War (again), the Spinners (again), Gram Parsons, Kate Bush and the Monkees on the ballot would be welcome too.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 05:23am


I'm just hoping to see Deep Purple, Kraftwerk, the Cure, Joy Division/New Order and the Zombies on the ballot, but I know it's not very likely we'll see all of these at once. One can still hope, though.

-Tahvo

With the NomCom's history I feel like the Cure being on the ballot is just them pretending that they realize that the 80s happened. The Cure is the pick because their former manger has quite a bit of stroke on the nominating committee. (and you know I'm a Cure supporter) Joy Division (and I'm generally opposed to the joint NO nomination because each band's music points in different directions) and Depeche Mode should both be getting heavy consideration right now.

I don't know what else could be asked of Depeche Mode. Massive commercial success. Check. Massive influence. Check. Shame it didn't happen in the 60s, they would've gone first ballot.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 06:01am


"Joy Division (and I'm generally opposed to the joint NO nomination because each band's music points in different directions)"

I agree with this, however it looks like they are going to go for the joint nomination/induction, unfortunately. If they did it with the Small Faces and the Faces I can't see them treating JD and NO separately.

"I don't know what else could be asked of Depeche Mode. Massive commercial success. Check. Massive influence. Check. Shame it didn't happen in the 60s, they would've gone first ballot."

True.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 06:08am


2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominee predictions

Chubby Checker, Chuck Willis, Joe Tex, Joe Cocker, Gram Parsons, Cat Stevens, Randy Newman, Todd Rundgren, Mary Wells, Dionne Warwick, Tina Turner, Linda Ronstadt, Kate Bush, Donna Summer, Janet Jackson, Chic, Chicago, Deep Purple, Heart, Kiss, Rush, War, Yes, The Moody Blues, The Marvelettes, The Monkees, Jan and Dean, The Spencer Davis Group

Sidemen and Addendum Nominees

The Belmonts * The Jordanaires * The Funk Brothers * The Wrecking Crew * The Mothers of Invention / The Mothers * The Wailers * Wings * The Silver Bullet Band * The E Street Band * The Revolution

Non-Performer Nominees

Willie Mitchell, Bernie Lowe, John Simon, Arif Mardin, Phil Ramone, Quincy Jones, Richard Barrett, Robert Blackwell, Rudy Toombs, Bob Crewe, David Porter, Bernie Taupin, David Foster, Jim Steinman, Carole Bayer Sager, Diane Warren, Wolfman Jack, Casey Kasem, Don Cornelius

Kal Mann and Dave Appell
Bert Berns and Jerry Ragovoy
Norman Whitfield and Barret Strong
Burt Bacharach and Hal David
Henry Cosby and Sylvia Moy
Thom Bell and Linda Creed
Boudleaux and Felice Bryant
Nick Ashford and Valerie Simpson

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 06:17am


"I agree with this, however it looks like they are going to go for the joint nomination/induction, unfortunately. If they did it with the Small Faces and the Faces I can't see them treating JD and NO separately."

Hell, even though I disagree with the idea, if we had a year where the big controversy was a JD/NO joint induction, I think I'd keep my mouth shut and enjoy the moment.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 06:19am


"no alt 70's/80's acts on Roy's predictions"

you're breaking my heart man.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 07:34am


Oh, come on, Roy has advocated for the Miami Sound Machine and Wham!. They were in the 80s. (How do you make an eye rolly emoticon on this site?)

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 07:49am


Future Rock Legends wrote:

The Rock Hall has inducted more Performers that had their first release in the 1960s (91) than all of the other decades combined (89).

1940s - 1
1950s - 47
1960s - 91
1970s - 34
1980s - 7

Wow, I knew the Hall was biased towards the 60's, but I didn't know it was THAT bad! They certainly aren't trying to make it less obvious, that's for sure!! lol


Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 08.16.12 @ 03:39am




Indeed, that is bullshit and it has to stop now, that 70s number is pathetic! >:-(

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Thursday, 08.16.12 @ 07:10am
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It is a dreadful situation. Remember though, this was founded in the mid-80's by people who didn't care for what they saw in the contemporary rock of the day. They were nostalgic for the era they controlled (the 60's) & the era of their youth (the 50's).

My feeling is that it will all shake out in a few yrs. time, & we'll all be the happier for it. My take on it is, it will have to be a roundabout process. GNR represented the last wholly 80's act there going to put in. I assume there is something of a block, perhaps Van Halen, Metallica, the Chili Peppers, GNR, etc., who might be pushing for more harder edged acts to get in. There aren't enough to break down the barriers - yet. I think when the Seattle bands start getting in, you'll see a push, especially from Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, AIC, & Dave Grohl. Along w/the already enshrined acts, they might form a block that would be impossible to get around.

It only takes the addition of one to start the momentum. If the majority of those guys team up & get an act like Deep Purple in, it helps build the block even further. Who knows - Purple leads to, say, Rush getting in the next yr., & so on & so forth. Eventually it get's to be too much, and you can't hold it back.

I think that's why there was talk about squeezing the requirements down from 25 to 20 yrs. for induction. They wanted more control over who got in. Then they could close up shop & have their private club all signed, sealed & delivered. That wouldn't fly, though, as it would've been too transparent a move, so they had to leave it like this.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 10:36am


I only like Joy Division / New Order. That is how they will be nominated and inducted. The exhibit at the Rock Hall museum proves it. They won't be nominated this year though.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 14:12pm


Are you going to make wait until September 1 for your predictions FRL?

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 14:15pm


Oh I hope they don't get in like that. Their careers are very different sounds, and both are worthy on their own.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 16:58pm


I just have time for predictions right now:

-The Cure: The token Alt/Indie pick. It's possible that Joy Division/New Order or The Smiths could take this spot but I don't think that's likely. Pixies and Jane's Addiction don't have enough crossover success to get in straight away. Keep an eye on Depeche Mode, though. Also a highly respected band with a great deal of longevity and even greater sales, so they could take this spot instead.

-Public Enemy: Lock.

-Donna Summer: She was coming close, having been nominated 4 times, and was very popular in her day. Allows the Hall to give their first representation of electronic music without stepping too far outside their comfort sense. I think this is her year.

-Deep Purple OR KISS: I can't decide which way they'll go here. A band long overdue for a nomination who have the sympathy vote, vs. a band that can sell tickets. It'll be one of them anyway, unless they manage to massage the big egos on the Committee by choosing Bon Jovi or Heart for the Hard Rock slot instead (wouldn't put it past them). More likely to be one of the above though.

-The Monkees: They have to look somewhere to satisfy the 60's fetish. Seriously, though, you can make a fairly good case for these guys. Beyond that and having a member pass away, I don't think anyone could get away with not honoring a band but honoring their manager. Expect them on the ballot.

-Whitney Houston: You know why.

-Chic: I think they're just going to keep ending up on the ballot until they get in, and I can't complain about that even though I'm not a fan.

-Rush: Momentum's building still. They've now received consideration, and they could become the acceptable face of non-Pink Floyd prog for the Hall. Rolling Stone has written about them and interviewed them a fair amount, so you never know. The much-loved and famous lineup still intact and would sell a few tickets.

-Yes: Seems unlikely, but you never know. If Rush aren't nominated this is where they'll turn to please the prog fans. The constant lineup changes (only one founding member in the band right now and only two left over from the beginning of their "classic" period) doesn't help them at all.

-MC5: They're also dropping off rapidly, and are overdue for another nomination. Several important/big names will advocate for them. Without them punk would not be what it is, period. Just ask The Stooges.

Of these, I think the most likely are:

-Donna Summer
-Deep Purple OR KISS (I think whichever one is nominated gets in)
-Public Enemy
-Whitney Houston
-The Monkees

This is not necessarily how I'd pick, just who I think is most likely.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 18:08pm


Concerning Soundgarden, I'd love for this to be their year but I don't see it. They only had one really succesful album and the heavy guitar music area is pretty crowded this year. They'll get in soon, but I don't think it'll be until after Nirvana and maybe Pearl Jam.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 18:12pm


It is quite disgraceful that the Hall's bias for the 1960s clouds the nominating committee's ability to recognize some of the great acts to come in the 1970s and 1980s. The fact that The Lovin' Spoonful, Percy Sledge, and Buffalo Springfield are in, but T. Rex, Depeche Mode, and Judas Priest aren't, is a complete joke.

I'd seriously like to see Don Cornelius go in as a Non-Performer. Bill G. explained it perfectly, so there's no need for me to reiterate what's already been posted.

As much as I'd love to see Screamin' Jay Hawkins go in as a Performer, the Hall will most likely relegate him to the Early Influence category, which sadly appears to be what they will do with the rest of the uninducted '50s acts, should they be considered. Witness the Wanda Jackson and Freddie King fiascos for evidence of this disturbing trend.

I agree with what's already been posted regarding Public Enemy (regardless of my dislike for their music), Donna Summer, Deep Purple, and The Monkees. However, I'd like to see the RRHOF give some long overdue representation to synthpop/electronica. Kraftwerk would be a natural choice being that they pioneered the style, but I wouldn't complain if Depeche Mode or Gary Numan (both as worthy) got in before them. In a perfect world, all three would get inducted the same year.

Glam rock is another genre that needs more representation in the Hall. David Bowie, Queen, and Alice Cooper are already in, but T. Rex and Roxy Music are the two biggies still waiting in the wings. Electric Warrior was a major commercial success in the U.K. (it topped the U.K. album charts twice) and helped usher in the glam rock style. Unfortunately, the U.S.-centric viewpoint of the Hall may keep T. Rex from getting in for a few more years. Likewise with Roxy Music. However, some acts already in the Hall could try to use their influence to convince the committee to consider T. Rex and Roxy Music (David Bowie and Ringo Starr both come to mind).

More ruminations and predictions to come...

Posted by Zach on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 20:41pm


http://rockhall.com/photo-gallery/legends-series-featuring/2563/

Here it is: Joy Division / New Order exhibit at the Rock Hall Museum in Cleveland.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 21:17pm


Here my Nominee Predications of Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame Class of 2013

Rush
Cheap Trick
The Cure
Soundgarden
Public Enemy
Eric B and Rakim
Heart
Gram Parsons
Donna Summer
The Monkees
The Spinners
War
The Pixies
Deep Purple
Chuck Willis
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
The Marvelettes
Ben. E King
Carol King
Sir Douglas Quinet
Connie Francis
Johnny Mathis
Roxy Music
MC5

Class Of 2013 Inductees Predications

Rush
Cheap Trick
Deep Purple
Roxy Music
Gram Parsons
Public Enemy
Soundgarden
The Monkees
Donna Summer
Carol King
War
The Spinners
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
The Marvelettes

Early Influnce
Chuck Willis
Blind Lemon Jefferson

Sidemen
Funk Brothers

Non-Performers
Don Cornelius
Willie Mitchell
Phil Ramone

Posted by Dan Windler on Monday, 08.20.12 @ 00:25am


too many inductees there dan

Posted by chris on Monday, 08.20.12 @ 10:25am


1940s - 1
1950s - 47
1960s - 91
1970s - 34
1980s - 7
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Pretty remarkable, and there are actually distinctions within each decade. In the 60s you see Motown, the British Invasion and late 60s Psychedelic. In the 70s you see punk and a smattering of major Glam acts (Queen, Bowie). Arena rock, Progressive Rock, Hard/Rock-Metal and major Glam artists are ignored. As to the 80s, it's bsically scandalous. The whole early 80s new wave/post punk period is undervalued. It's time to induct the Moody Blues, Yes, T-Rex, Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, The Cars, the Cure, Depeche Mode, Joy Division/New Order. Heck I'll even go for Journey and Kiss. I think Chic and Donna Summer have a good shot as well. And I wouldn't mind the B-52s and Joan Jett individually.

Posted by astrodog on Monday, 08.20.12 @ 13:20pm


I cannot believe the Bobby Rydell is not in the Hall of Fame. It's true that all of his hits, and there were many of them, were not vulger or suggestiove and I hope that's not the reason his induction has not happened.

Posted by Ray on Monday, 08.20.12 @ 16:42pm


Ray, the Hall has been unfriendly to pretty much anything related to Cameo-Parkway. Chubby's not in, Bernie Lowe, Mann & Appell aren't... the only connections to CamPark in the Hall are the Kinks and Bob Seger, and both of those really saw their careers take off AFTER leaving the label.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 08.20.12 @ 17:56pm


I think that the Hall of Fame should announce their nominees with a video presentation that goes all over the internet with videos of the nominees, and show a video of Rick Astley (who will be eligible this year), for 5 seconds, only to skip to one of the actual real nominees. That way the HOF can get in on the Rickrolled craze lol.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 08.21.12 @ 05:55am


In all seriousness, I will post my predictions in the coming days.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 08.21.12 @ 05:56am


Actually I will post my predictions right now. It was a tough call, as of course all of us here know, trying to predict who the Hall of Fame nominates, is like trying to play darts blind. But it's still fun, so that's why we're all here. I went through Future Rock Legends of the list of eligible artists for the HOF and came down to around 98 serious/viable contenders for nomination. I divded out my predicted nominees into 9 different categories based on the type of nominations we see each year. The categories are as follows:

Newly Eligible/Headliners (newly eligible artists that are big name acts and potential headliners)

Hard Rock/Progressive Rock/General Classic Rock (70's)

Soul/R&B/Funk/Disco

Rap Acts

Alternative Rock/Punk Rock/Art Rock/Glam Rock/Electronic (alternative forms of rock music)

Singer/Songwriter/Solo Artist (Both Obscure and Popular, Male and Female)

60's Classic Rock Band (British Invasion/Garage Rock, etc.)

50's/Oldies Act (aka: the artist that will probably end up in the "Early Influences" category)

Outside Genre/Left-Field Pick (Country/Blues/Jazz/Reggae/Folk/Avant-Garde: artist that no one sees coming)

So with that said, I'll post and explain my picks for each category along with a few runner ups (other possibilities in case I'm wrong), and then give a final listing of my 15 picks:


Newly Eligible/Headliners:

Public Enemy (shoe-in)

N.W.A. (I was torn between picking N.W.A. and one of the two runner up acts, as I feel the voters may pass on N.W.A, due to being extremely controversial and their subject matter being too violent for the older members of the Nominating Committee, but their influence and impact on popular music is just too large to ignore, thus I think they will make it)

Runners Up: Jane's Addiction and the Pixies (it's a strong possibility that one of these acts will be on there instead of N.W.A)


Hard Rock/Prog/General Classic Rock

Deep Purple (They've been long overdue for induction, have been seriously considered in the past, and they're one of the last remaining early major pioneers of hard rock and heavy metal that haven't been nominated or inducted. Maybe the death of Jon Lord will finally put them over the top and get them on the ballot).

Heart (Heart has a lot going for them due to the fact that they are one of the most prominent female acts in hard rock history. They have pretty good respect from critics, and the Hall will want as many females on the ballot as possible to not look sexist. I see Heart back on the ballot for another shot at the Hall of Fame).

Runners Up: Electric Light Orchestra, KISS, and Stevie Ray Vaughan (Jeff Lynne is one of the most respected and admired people in the music industry, particularly amongst many current HOFers, and putting ELO on the ballot and the HOF would get some prog in the HOF at last, and not just prog, but extremely popular and accessible prog. KISS is always a shoe-in if the Hall wants to draw money and ratings for the HOF ceremony which is more important than ever. Stevie Ray Vaughan always has to be a strong candidae, as the moment he gets nominated he would be inducted immediately).


Alternative/Punk/Glam/Art/Electronic:

The New York Dolls (it's been more than 10 years since the New York Dolls have been on the ballot, so they're due for another shot. Other than the Stooges in 2010, there hasn't been any punk in the HOF in many years, so I think the Hall will try to get some more punk in the HOF, with one of the most prominent proto-punk bands being their choice. The MC5 is also a possibility, but the New York Dolls have went longer without a nomination, so I think it will be their turn).

Soundgarden (I think it's extremely possible that the Hall will bypass both Jane's Addiction and the Pixies in favor of Soundgarden who were much more famous and commercially successful. Not to mention Soundgarden has a new album coming out, so that helps their chances. But the bottom line is that between Sonic Youth, the Pixies, Jane's Addiction, and Soundgarden, at least one of those bands has to be on the ballot, or the HOF will be a joke).

Runners Up: The Cure and the Smiths (With so many late 80's alt-rock bands being possibile contenders, and in addition to a nod to proto-punk, I think it's possible that the HOF will also give a nod to an early 80's/mid 80's alt-rock/punk band. I think it's possible that the Cure could be back again, or instead of the Cure, the Smiths will be on the ballot for the first time. Granted most of their success was in Britian, but their influence is enormous and they've been discussed for induction. They're always a possibility).


Singer-Songwriter/Solo Artist

Linda Ronstadt (I think the HOF will go with a female act in this category (in addition to my female R&B predictions, and Heart which represents hard rock), and looking through my list of possibilities in this category, I only came across Joan Baez, Carly Simon, Carole King, and Linda Ronstadt. Carly Simon I just don't see getting the nod, Carole King I think won't ever get in due to her already being inducted in the Non-Performers category, and Joan Baez hasn't ever been considered (which I found shocking). So that leaves Linda Ronstadt, who was frankly one of the most successful artists of the 1970's. She's kind of been on the outs with the Rolling Stone Club portion of the HOF committees, but if they want to get a successful and popular female artist on the ballot, than Linda is as good a candidate as any).

Runners Up: Joan Baez, Ringo Starr, and Todd Rundgren (Joan Baez is one of the most influential female folk artists, she's a political activist, and her history with Bob Dylan is well established, she's always a possibility. Ringo Starr is always a possibility as he's been rumored for nomination for years. Getting one of the Beatles in the HOF is always good for publicity, so why not? Todd Rundgren I have a feeling could be pushed for the Musical Excellence category like Leon Russell).


60's Classic Rock Band

The Monkees (This was a tough choice as there are other bands that are more popular with the Rolling Stone Club portion of the HOF Committees, not to mention actual HOFers and other members of the committee, but again the Monkees have been long overdue, and the death of Davy Jones gives the HOF yet another chance to get some notoriety and publicity by giving them a nod. I won't be surprised if once again they're snubbed, but yet, I won't be surprised if they end up on the ballot for the first time).

Runners Up: The Moody Blues and Paul Revere and the Raiders (In addition to the Monkees, the Moody Blues are by far the most successful 60's Rock band to not yet be inducted. Getting the Moody Blues in kills two birds with one stone as you not only get another British Invasion band in, but you also get a progressive rock band in too. Paul Revere and the Raiders are a band that has gotten discussion from some of the most powerful members of the Nominating Committee (Little Steven in particular). I read an article a few years ago that Little Steven was pushing for Johnny Burnette, the Hollies, the Small Faces, and Paul Revere and the Raiders. He has a pretty good track record, so I won't be surprised one bit if Paul Revere and the Raiders are representing 60's rock on this year's ballot).


Soul/R&B/Funk/Disco

Bill Withers (Last year the HOF pushed for many new R&B acts that haven't ever been nominated before, and I think that trend will continue somewhat this year, with Bill Withers being a strong contender. He's one of the most acclaimed R&B singer-songwriters ever, so why not?)

Donna Summer (shoe-in)

The Spinners (I think they'll be back on the ballot again as they're the most important R&B vocal group of the 70's not yet in)

Whitney Houston (if the Hall wants major publicity and attention to their ceremony, than Whitney Houston is a must, especially with her death. I realize that it would be risky having two recently deceased female R&B stars on the ballot together, but I really don't think they'll hinder one another from induction. SO I will be shocked if Whitney isn't on the ballot with Donna Summer. And besides even if she was still alive, she was getting due for a nomination anyway).

Runners Up: Barry White and War (Barry White would be a representative for a new R&B artist being nominated for the first time. He had strong ties to disco music, so he could be another disco nominee. War seems to be gaining traction with the Nominating Committee with two nominations in the last 5 years, so I think at this stage, they're always a possibility to appear on the ballot)


Rap Acts

LL Cool J (It's a very strong possibility that there may not be any further rap acts on the ballot if NWA and Public Enemy both end up on the ballot, but if NWA doesn't end up on the ballot, then I think it's a pretty safe bet we'll see LL Cool J back again for his third nomination. LL is one of the biggest stars still in rap music, and he was an important pioneer. And he's not threatening image-wise, so he's always a safe bet to be on the ballot. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if he's on the ballot, even if both NWA and Public Enemy are on there as well).

Runners Up: Eric B. and Rakim and Salt N' Pepa (Eric B. and Rakim are one of the most influential acts in rap music history, even if they're a bit more obscure than other acts in the genre. But if Eric B. and Rakim were able to get nominated in their very first year of eligbility, then they're always a contender to be on the ballot. Salt N' Pepa were the first important and successful female act in rap music history. So they're always a contender to be there. Especially with the HOF looking to induct more females).


50's/Oldies Act

The Dominoes (Trying to predict this category is a real crapshoot, as it's never anyone you expect. One trend I have noticed is that they don't really go with any acts that they haven't inducted before. They usually try again with someone they've already nominated. And besides the acts they tried to induct and gave up on in the early years of the HOF, the Dominoes have went the longest without a second nomination. So I wouldn't be surprised to see them on the ballot. Plus, when they don't get enough votes to get in, the HOF can instead induct them in the "Early Influences" category like they did with Freddie King and Wanda Jackson. The different here though is that it wouldn't be bad as the Dominoes really did pre-date rock and roll. So they get a deserving proto-rock and roll group in, and they don't lose legitmacy. It's a win-win for everyone).

Runners Up: The 5 Royales and Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio (The 5 Royales are in the exact same position as the Dominoes. While they happen to be a bit more influential, they just haven't waited as long for another shot. Johnny Burnette happens to be an act they've never nominated, so with the trend of oldies and 50's acts, that hurts them. But they have Little Steven on their side, so that always helps their chances. And they're long overdue).


Outside Genre/Left-Field Pick

Willie Nelson (I looked at the last 10 years of the Hall of Fame and when outside genres had representatives on the Nominations list or Inductions list. This year we had blues (Freddie King). In 2010 we had reggae (Jimmy Cliff). In 2006 we had Jazz (Miles Davis). And in 2005 we had Country (Conway Twitty) and Blues (Buddy Guy). So of those genres, Country is the one that has went the longest without a nomination. Beings Blues has been fairly represented compared to the others, beings Folk and Reggae aren't as revered and respected here in America, and beings Jazz isn't as related to rock and roll as the other "outside genres" that leaves country at having their turn on the ballot. And to me there's not a country artist that screams "rock and roll" moreso than Willie Nelson. So I wouldn't be surprised to see Willie Nelson on the ballot for the first time).

Runners Up: John Coltrane and Patsy Cline (If they wanna go jazz then John Coltrane is clearly the next choice. As for Patsy Cline, she's also one of the country artists most associated with rock and roll, and she would put another female artist on the ballot. And she's been previously considered).


So with that said my final list of predicted nominees for the 2013 class of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame are as follows:

Bill Withers (R&B)
Deep Purple (Hard Rock/Classic Rock)
The Dominoes (50's/Oldies Act)
Donna Summer (R&B/Disco/Female)
Heart (Hard Rock/Classic Rock/Female)
Linda Ronstadt (Singer-Songwriter/Solo Act/Female)
LL Cool J (Rap)
The Monkees (60's Classic Rock)
The New York Dolls (Alternative/Punk)
N.W.A. (Newly Eligible/Rap)
Public Enemy (Newly Eligible/Rap)
Soundgarden (Alternative/Punk)
The Spinners (R&B)
Whitney Houston (R&B/Female/Headliner)
Willie Nelson (Outside Genre/Left-Field Pick)


And a final listing of runner ups/possibilities to take a spot from one of my predicted artists:

The 5 Royales (50's/Oldies)
Barry White (R&B/Disco)
The Cure (Alternative Rock)
Electric Light Orchestra (Prog/Classic Rock)
Eric B. and Rakim (Rap)
Joan Baez (Singer-Songwriter/Solo Artist/Female)
John Coltrane (Outside Genre/Left-Field)
Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio (50's/Oldies)
KISS (Hard Rock/Classic Rock)
Jane's Addiction (Newly Eligible/Alternative)
The Moody Blues (60's Classic Rock/Prog)
Patsy Cline (Outside Genre/Left-Field/female)
Paul Revere and the Raiders (60's Classic Rock)
The Pixies (Newly Eligible/Alternative)
Ringo Starr (solo artist)
Salt N' Pepa (Rap/female)
The Smiths (Alternative Rock)
Stevie Ray Vaughan (Classic Rock/Outside Genre)
Todd Rundgren (Singer-Songwriter/Solo Artist)
War (R&B)


Thanks for reading and after that, I leave with one final thought. What if the HOF doesn't even nominate 15 artists this year?

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 08.21.12 @ 08:23am


they should nominate 15 im sure.

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 08.21.12 @ 10:29am


What are the 7 from the 80's?

Off the top of my head

Madonna
U2
REM
GNR
Chilli peppers

Who are the other 2?

Posted by Brian on Tuesday, 08.21.12 @ 17:57pm


I'm not sure is U2 would be 80's. "Out Of Control" was released as a single in '79, which is why they were eligible for the class of 2005. Offhand though, I'd say Metallica and Run-D.M.C. are two of the other three you'd be looking for.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 08.21.12 @ 18:09pm


Oh der... the Beastie Boys!

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 08.21.12 @ 18:10pm


Great Suggestions Donnie, I liked your Nominees

Posted by Dan Windler on Tuesday, 08.21.12 @ 22:00pm


Sorry about that, I just voice my Opinion

Posted by Dan Windler on Wednesday, 08.22.12 @ 00:39am


how about gerry and the pacemakers?

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 08.22.12 @ 10:27am


Liked Donnie's well reasoned lists. I'm sure some assortment of those 2 lists will make the final cut.

A wild card 70s/80s alt. act could be from this group: The Replacements, Husker Du, Television, and/or Big Star. Just have a feeling they may want to recognize these hugely influential bands before they start rolling in the late 80s/early 90s alt. acts in the next few years.

Always interesting...never entirely satisfying...with so many great artists overdue for recognition.

Posted by ash on Wednesday, 08.22.12 @ 13:43pm


Jane's Addiction has no chance in hell. Seriously. They deserve it and all, but think about the other indie/underground acts that came before them that haven't been nominated. Do you really think the committee that has ignored The Replacements and Sonic Youth and Big Star and Gang of Four, etc. are going to nominate Jane's Addiction out of the blue?

I rest my case.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 08.22.12 @ 15:59pm


I'm slightly more optimistic about Jane's Addiction and the Pixies, Casper. They certainly didn't have the same mainstream crossover that the bigger bands (such as The Cure) had, but in their own right I'd call them succesful. JA had a Platinum album certification for their third record in September '91... not as good as R.E.M. and the Chili Peppers were doing no, but a Platinum certification for a band that didn't focus on singles? That's good, I'd say. I think you're also underestimating the amount of critical respect both bands receive. No, neither of them will get in straight away, but I think they will once some of the more popular bands get in (like Nirvana) have gotten in.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 08.22.12 @ 17:52pm


Here are my predictions/thoughts for nominees:

1. Donna Summer (lock for nomination/induction)

2. Public Enemy (lock for nomination/near lock for induction)

Returning nominees:

3. Heart - This is an induction waiting to happen. They have a lot of things the Hall wants in. Popular with both critics and audiences. Hard rock (which most rock fans point to as unquestionably rock) and woman-fronted. They tick a lot of boxes that I'm surprised they didn't get in the first time they appeared in the ballot. Joan Jett probably syphoned a number of votes so I expect her band to be left out this go-round.

4. The Cure - I think The Cure will return to fill the alternative slot this year. They had some tangible commercial success stateside, are quite influential and have some name recollection to the casual rock/music fan. Other bands can take this slot but I think the Hall probably wants The Cure in before moving on to Joy Division/New Order and The Smiths.

5. The Spinners - Another good bet to return. They seemed to be well liked by the nominators and in the industry in general. As I've mentioned before I can see them being the nominators new pet project, nominating them till they get in. But iI suspect they'll be getting in sooner rather than later.

Rap slot(s):

6. N.W.A. - In the last couple of years there have been usually two rap slots in the ballot and it's safe to assume the same will happen this year. Since Public Enemy will unquestionably take one of these slots, I'm also quite confident in N.W.A. rtaking the other. Massively influential and liked by The Rolling Stone crowd, they even made it to the first incarnation of "The Immortals" list. The only reason they could be kept off the ballot may be to prevent them taking away from Public Enemy's votes. However, if the likes of LL Cool J and Eric B. and Rakim and can get nominated on their first year of eligibility then doubtless, N.W.A. will make it as well.

R&B slot(s):

7. Whitney Houston - Her untimely death shocked the industry and with it came a lot of goodwill and revisitation of her catalogue and re-estimation of her natural talent. Could be kept off so as not to affect Donna Summer's inevitable induction, but with Clive Davis behind her, Whitney is a good bet to return to the ballot.

Nominators' pet projects:

8. Chic - They could be kept off the ballot, in order for the Disco vote to focus on Donna Summer but the most nominted act is always a good bet to turn up. Especially with Nile Rodgers health concerns, the nominators will probably want to induct them sonner than later.

9. Gram Parsons - I could've gone with Joe Tex or The J. Geils Band, but Gram retaining his place in the revised 2011 Immortals list makes me think he could be back in the nominators' radar. The fact that they cleaned slate for singer/songwriters in the last couple of years bodes well for him too as they'll always be looking to induct new ones and he fits the bill pretty well.

The Singer/Songwriter slot (s):

10. Warren Zevon - He seems most likely to be next in line after the recent inductions of Leonard cohen, Tom Waits and Laura Nyro. So I'm predicting him. Look for previous nominees Randy Newman or Cat stevens to spoil.

11. Carly Simon - Fills the necessary female act quota on the ballot. Between her and Carole King, I think Carly may get the nod.

British Invasion/60s slot(s):

12. The Monkees-I don't quite know who this spot will go to. I'm going with the Monkees purely because they had a good run, Davy Jones' death and Don Kirshner's induction last year. I know that the nominators won't really put all the recently deceased rock-stars on the ballot this year. But this guess is as good as any.

Hard rock acts:

13. KISS - I think they'll be inducted within the next five years. They've already been nominated before and I think the Hall would like to replicate the three headliners in one night they had for last year's ceremony. KISS is a good bet to bring in that kind of audience and revenue. They've been nominated before and are due to return any time now.

14. Deep Purple - Another long snubbed artist who should've been in already. Jon Lord's death may finally put them in the ballot and if that happens, they'll be near-lock for induction.

Random-ass slot:

15. Dick Dale - For my final spot, I could've gone in a number of different directions. A 50s act? A girl-group? maybe even the other guitar great Stevie ray vaughan. But on veery ballot, without fail, the nominators always throw a curve ball nomination. Looking at years past, there have been the likes of Jeff Beck and The Ventures. Put those two together, you get Dick Dale. Weak reasoning I know, But my gut tells me that there will be a nod no one sees coming. For now, I'll go with Dale.

Posted by rockstar23 on Wednesday, 08.22.12 @ 22:52pm


Casper, for whatever reason, I think voting members of the Hall might be on friendly terms with Dave Navarro & Perry Ferrell.

Remember, Perry helped to start Lolapalozza & that has made alot of money for acts that have played there over the years (some of which are in the Hall).

I saw them recently at Bunbury & they sure put on a show.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 08.23.12 @ 07:58am


how about jim croce?

Posted by chris on Thursday, 08.23.12 @ 10:37am


Jim Croce is great candidate but I don't see happening for him this year. They may wind up nominating Gram Parsons, Cat Stevens, Warren Zevon or Randy Newman instead.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 08.25.12 @ 15:19pm


It'll never happen, but it's time for King Crimson to get in. I'd give them the prog slot this year.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.26.12 @ 04:56am


Classic Rock- Deep Purple
Classic Soul- The Marvelettes
Early Rock- Chubby Checker
Eighties- Depeche Mode
Seventies- Donna Summer
Hip Hop- The Sugarhill Gang
Sixties- The Monkees
Fifties- The Marcels

Posted by Lucario on Sunday, 08.26.12 @ 11:46am


Oh, is it fifteen now?

Deep Purple
Chic
Donna Summer
The Marvelettes
The Belmonts
Chubby Checker
The Big Bopper
The Sugarhill Gang
Public Enemy
Lou Rawls
Herman's Hermits
The Zombies
Dolly Parton
J.J. Cale
Big Mama Thornton

Posted by Lucario on Sunday, 08.26.12 @ 11:49am


The Class of 2013:

Donna Summer
ELO
Heart
Connie Francis
Deep Purple
The Monkee's
The Moody Blues
Yes

Posted by Dan Martel on Sunday, 08.26.12 @ 18:14pm


Here are the artists/bands that I'd like to see nominated/inducted into the R&R HOF:
Depeche Mode
Hall & Oates
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
KISS
Nirvana
Phil Collins
Ringo Starr
Traveling Wilbury's
Whitney Houston
Wing's

Posted by GV on Sunday, 08.26.12 @ 19:03pm


My guesses for this year:

Bon Jovi
Heart
Whitney Houston
J. Geils Band
Jane's Addiction
KISS
Kraftwerk
The Monkees
Public Enemy
The Shangri-Las
The Spinners
Donna Summer
War
Chuck Willis
Link Wray

Posted by Ian on Sunday, 08.26.12 @ 22:33pm


now way king crimson will get in not until yes, the moody blues, and rush get in first

Posted by chris on Monday, 08.27.12 @ 10:45am


I quite agree of course chris. I'd just quite like to see them get in soon, though I agree it'll never happen.

By the way, out of boredom I decided to share this, even though it's old (sorry). Just wanted to know what you think. http://www.somethingawful.com/d/your-band-sucks/worst-rock-stars-2.php

Posted by Sam on Monday, 08.27.12 @ 17:56pm


Willy DeVille and Mink DeVille band

Posted by Kat on Monday, 08.27.12 @ 17:57pm


Here's the RHM prediction on the ballot:

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2012/08/predicting-nominees-for-2013.html

Posted by Philip on Monday, 08.27.12 @ 21:40pm


it would be nice to get stevie ray vaughan and hall and oates nominated also.

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 08.28.12 @ 10:37am


http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.ca/2012/08/predicting-nominees-for-2013.html?spref=tw

Rock Hall Monitors makes its prediction for the 15 nominees for the 2013 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

Whitney Houston, Donna Summer, Chic, Public Enemy, N.W.A., Sonny And Cher, Lesley Gore, Daryl Hall And John Oates, The Spencer Davis Group, War, The Spinners, Bon Jovi, KISS, Stevie Ray Vaughan And Double Trouble, The Monkees

OUTSIDE LOOKING IN

Wham!/George Michael, The Pixies, Jane’s Addiction, The Zombies, Joe Tex, Chuck Willis, The Chantels, Buffy Saint-Marie, Phil Ochs, Tim Hardin, Peter Gabriel, Cat Stevens, Jan And Dean, Neil Sedaka, The Cure

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 08.28.12 @ 10:48am


I would personally like to see Afrika Bambaataa before Public Enemy and NWA. Not too high on Sonny and Cher or Stevie Ray Vaughan. And some of the late 70s/80s groups like the Cure or Depeche Mode would be refreshing.
Houston, Summer and Chic have very strong chances. Hall and Oates is worthwhile.
Can't we just keep Kiss out; their complaining is great. And why not Iron Maiden and Deep Purple and the Moody Blues?
The Shangri-Las would be interesting.
Not high on the Monkees. Even less so with Wham!.
How about this:

Whitney Houston
Deep Purple
Kiss
Iron Maiden
The Cure
Joy Division/New Order
Donna Summer
Chic
Shangri-Las
Link Wray
Hall & Oates
Moody Blues
Afrika Bambaataa
Connie Francis
Kraftwerk

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 08.28.12 @ 16:30pm


I like that, Astro. Very good.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 08.28.12 @ 19:22pm


Four days remain for the month of August. By this Saturday, September 1, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee will be in the final stages of picking Performers category finalists. Some two weeks ago, I posted my predictions for whom would be inducted and whom would make the finalist ballot. I had mentioned that I would explain why I think the artists listed in my previous post would be chosen for these honors. Before September comes, I feel the best time to explain these reasonings is now. Here they are then.


Peter Gabriel: The likely virtual lock for induction for 2013. Peter Gabriel is gearing up for a tour of North America at least to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the So tour. In addition, So is being re-released in box set form. Coupled with other important ventures with WOMAD and humanitarian work through Witness and The Elders, and the potential for new music to emerge. Plus, enough time has passed between Genesis' induction in 2010 till now that the RRHOF can and will induct Peter Gabriel solely on the merits of his own works and life. An induction for Gabriel is forthcoming: 2013 will be that year.

Donna Summer: Having been a perennial nominee for a few years, Summer had been on the cusp of obtaining induction. As we all know, Donna Summer passed away last May. It is sad that she was not able to be inducted into the RRHOF in her lifetime. The very least the Hall of Fame and the Nominating Committee can do now is to induct Donna Summer in 2013.

Public Enemy: the virtual lock amongst first-time balloters this induction cycle. Quite honestly, they are amongst the top 30 great rock/rap artists of all time in my opinion. In addition, I got to see Public Enemy in concert two years ago: to this day, a fine experience filled with enough memories to last. There is no question of doubt in my mind; Public Enemy are getting inducted PDQ.

The Pixies: Quite possibly a first ballot inductee as well. We did induct the Pixies into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project in our Projected Class of 2013; thus they have the potential to be considered worthy of getting inducted right off the cuff. I figure, start inducting the grunge era before the obvious 2014 Nirvana induction by voting in the first progenors of the Seattle grunge format.

Kraftwerk: The left-field choice, to be certain. Yet, for an influential act, Kraftwerk have not gotten the recoginition by their peers that they richly deserve. I do not even think they have been honored in Germany. It is time to rectify the mistakes and induct Kraftwerk. We just need to be certain that Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider and Karl Bartos can be in the same room together and put differences aside.

Deep Purple: The great hard rockers should have gotten inducted years ago. I am not sure what the Nominating Committee might have been concerned about; if they were art-rock or heavy metal, whom to include for induction (besides Joe Satriani and the Mach II lineup), amongst other trivial matters. What we do know is: Jon Lord passed away last month. And with that, Mach II can never reunite, nothwithstanding much of Deep Purple's tireing of Ritchie Blackmore. I say, induct every important member of Deep Purple, have those still alive appear, and rightfully put the band in the Hall where they will live in the ages to come.

Gram Parsons: This might seem a bit fanciful considering Parsons died in 1973. Yet, it is clear as day that the alt-country-rock movement owes it origins to Gram Parsons. The Byrds were already inducted in 1991; yet Parsons' influence on his own eclipses his time with The Byrds. Thus, in reference to a great deal of country music artists today gaining their influence from rock stars; I feel it is fair to induct Gram Parsons in recognition for bridging the two genres of American music with ease.

Now, in somewhat more briefer terminology; an explanation for the artists listed below for being finalists, if not inducted this year. I do expect the remaining artists to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame fairly soon.

Soundgarden: A new album and involvement in movie soundtracks put Soundgarden in the minds of the NomCom.

Whitney Houston: She should have been inducted in her lifetime. Houston's death in February was the end of a brilliant life cut short. A fair assesement of what Whitney Houston meant to rock and roll is needed.

Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens): The NomCom usually nominates a unique singer-songwriter every year. Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) may be this pick this coming month.

Randy Newman: Another left-field choice. Yet gaining wide recognition with Movie soundtracks and scores.

The Cure: They were nominated last year. I expect the Cure to continue to be finalists until an induction occurs.

The Spinners: Representing r&b and soul music. Also, one of the best vocal groups of the 1970s.

Yes: The band selected to represent Art-Rock. Yes might not get inducted for 2013 due to other artists considered locks. However, Yes could go in by 2014.

The Monkees: In rememberance of Davy Jones, who passed on last February. It may take a while for The monkees to get in. The NomCom needs to be convinced of their authenticity.

Mary Wells: One of the great r&b sensations that never got the recognition and breaks she well deserved. Wells passed away in 1992; and sad to say, "My Guy" is the only Mary Wells song to still get radio airplay. But her influence was non-parralel. A nod to Mary Wells' life and work may get rectified by the Nominating Committee next month.

Well, there you are then. Let me know what you fellow posters think of these predicitions. One thing is for certain though. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will for the forseeable future induct artists already inducted into the Revisited/Pojected Rock Hall Project. In many respects, they need us, as much as we may need them.

Watching unpredictable tennis as opposed to a predictable convention,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Tuesday, 08.28.12 @ 21:24pm


Why the Pixies and not Sonic Youth, The Replacements, Gun Club, Husker Du, Siouxsie and the Banshees, PIL, the Meat Puppets, the Violent Femmes, The Smiths, etc.? It's very hard to claim that a band whose first album appeared in 1988 did anything to invent 80s alternative music. I'm happy they were on the Kurt Cobain's playlist, but really so what? So were most of the bands I just mentioned, all of whom have a much greater claim to originating 80s alternative than the Pixies.

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 08.28.12 @ 23:38pm


Astro, you just nailed why I don't get as excited about the Pixies as others of my general leanings do.

I'd be thrilled to see them inducted one day, but there are plenty ahead of them who paved that road.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 08.29.12 @ 00:48am


will they be nominating 15 inductees like last year or 12 this time around?

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 08.29.12 @ 10:41am


Darin, I have to agree with Lax, at least about the Pixies' chances. They came closer to commercial success* than the bands Astro mentioned, plus they've received more love from Rolling Stone (check out their [admittedly patchy] 500 Greatest Albums list). I still don't think they're getting a nomination this year, but it will happen in a few years.

The rest of what Astro said is very valid, however. Would I put Sonic Youth, The Smiths Husker Du and The Replacements in first? Absolutely. I'd also rather listen to Metal Box anytime, though the idea of PIL even being nominated is a stretch. No doubt the Pixies had a great deal to do with the Alternative and Indie of the 90's but so did the aforementioned bands, so this idea that they had anything to do with the invention of Alternative is ludicrous.

*I didn't mention The Smiths' commercial success in the UK because the Committee has already shown they don't take that into account.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 08.29.12 @ 11:29am


I can tell you who will NOT be on the list yet again.

Rush

It's a better story for the Hall if they continue to refuse to nominate them. Besides, there are still hundreds of far less influential bands with a fraction of the body of work and longevity of Rush to nominate...

On a more positive note, I do hope the committee gets off their collective azzez regarding alternative and nominates either The Cure again or Joy Division/New Order. The Smiths is a longshot, but a deserving one as well.

Posted by S2 on Wednesday, 08.29.12 @ 13:41pm


The commercial success of the Replacements and Sonic Youth was relatively comparable to the Pixies. And it's not like the Pixies were leading the commercial charge during the whole Grunge wave. Doolittle was certified gold in 1995, six years post release. Surfer Rosa reached gold in 2005. The whole wve had already broken by then (By comparison, the Violent Femmes first album was certified gold in 1987 and platinum in 1991; Jane's Addiction's Nothing Shocking was certified gold in 1991).
Of course if Rolling Stone has one of its patented love affairs with the band, then nothing else matters. Objectivity is so outmoded.(Strange, but I suddenly feel the urge to buy Laura Nyro's greatest hits.)

Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 08.29.12 @ 14:31pm


Obviously I'd pick R.E.M. as the leaders of Alternative's crossover. The One I Love broke into the top 40 in '87. They had a Gold album in '87 and two Platinum albums by '89, and their seventh album was triple platinum by the end of '91 (while Losing My Religion went Gold and Top 10). Automatic For The People went double Platinum in December '92.

"Of course if Rolling Stone has one of its patented love affairs with the band, then nothing else matters."

Obviously. Bias on the Nominating Committee? You don't say :)

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 08.29.12 @ 16:46pm


The commercial success of the Replacements and Sonic Youth was relatively comparable to the Pixies. And it's not like the Pixies were leading the commercial charge during the whole Grunge wave. Doolittle was certified gold in 1995, six years post release. Surfer Rosa reached gold in 2005. The whole wve had already broken by then (By comparison, the Violent Femmes first album was certified gold in 1987 and platinum in 1991; Jane's Addiction's Nothing Shocking was certified gold in 1991).
Of course if Rolling Stone has one of its patented love affairs with the band, then nothing else matters. Objectivity is so outmoded.(Strange, but I suddenly feel the urge to buy Laura Nyro's greatest hits.)

Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 08.29.12 @ 14:31pm

Yeah, because on your planet the Violent Femmes are more deserving Laura Nyro? Equal footing if you ask me. This forum reeks nowadays.

Posted by DC on Thursday, 08.30.12 @ 01:17am


This forum reeks nowadays.

Posted by DC on Thursday, 08.30.12 @ 01:17am
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That's probably my fault. I switched cologne's a few weeks ago.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 08.30.12 @ 06:48am


the pixies won't be nominated for the hall of fame

Posted by chris on Thursday, 08.30.12 @ 10:37am


Yeah, because on your planet the Violent Femmes are more deserving Laura Nyro? Equal footing if you ask me. This forum reeks nowadays.

Posted by DC on Thursday, 08.30.12 @ 01:17am


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I must have missed the part where I ever directly compared the two. But sorry for committing the thought crime of apparently disagreeing with you.

But on the subject, I'm not a big fan of Nyro's induction. Yes other artists had a few hits with her songs, etc. The only one most people would even remember is Wedding Bell Blues. I thought she was talented, but a lot of talented artists are still waiting in line.

Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 08.30.12 @ 10:53am


Sting vs Gabriel I feel they are both on the same plane but I noticed many prefer GAbriel for Hall chances. I wonder why?

Posted by Brian on Friday, 08.31.12 @ 21:26pm


Brian, Sting made solid records for the Adult Contemporary crowd, but there was nothing that great or innovative about his solo stuff.

Gabriel on the other hand put out some truly classic tracks and albums, many of them very unique sounding for the time.

Sting's solo stuff is closer to Steve Winwood in overall acclaim and influence. Gabriel is closer to Lou Reed.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 08.31.12 @ 21:38pm


Casper good points. I was just listening to both artists bodies of work and I have to agree.

Posted by Brian on Friday, 08.31.12 @ 22:07pm


Casper good points. I was just listening to both artists bodies of work and I have to agree.

Posted by Brian on Friday, 08.31.12 @ 22:07pm


I'm Don't think she would be Inducted before sting or Peter Gabriel but I think Sade should be mentioned in the adult contemporary category

Posted by Ryan on Friday, 08.31.12 @ 22:25pm


September has finally arrived!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09.1.12 @ 00:43am


It is now September. The Nominees will be announced soon!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09.1.12 @ 10:25am


Just returned from my pilgrimage to the HOF. The first time in 15 years. The U23D show was out if this world! I came away from my trip with two thoughts.

1, They really are missing an 80's presence. They of course have certain exhibits to eras, cities, decades, and genres , including a wall all about rap. However they did not have anything celebrating electronic/techno music. I think it is time.

2. When watching the hour long video of inductees organized year by year, A feeling grew in me as it ended that a larger percentage of inductees in the most recent years seemed ou of place, like they Were not quite worthy of being there. I really hope this year and years to come the Hall is very careful of who they select and not just pick enough to fill a quota. Less then 5 would be fine if that is all that is worthy.

Posted by Brian on Saturday, 09.1.12 @ 21:44pm


they better announce the nominees soon

Posted by chris on Sunday, 09.2.12 @ 15:35pm


Add Willie Nelson to my list.

Posted by Brian on Sunday, 09.2.12 @ 23:09pm


no willie nelson no way at all!!!

Posted by chris on Monday, 09.3.12 @ 16:27pm


If you want to look at my predictions - rather hastily made I will confess - for the 2012/2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot, please go to http://jpbenney.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/the-20122013-rock-hall-ballot-new.html.

(Please make any comments on my blog rather than here).

Posted by Julien Peter Benney on Monday, 09.3.12 @ 22:43pm


We posted our predictions at the top...

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Tuesday, 09.4.12 @ 01:27am


We took a look at most of the predictions from around here and elsewhere. Here is what the consensus looks like (in rough order): Donna Summer & Public Enemy (pretty much unanimous selections), The Spinners, Deep Purple, Heart, Whitney Houston, The Monkees, Chic, The Cure, Gram Parsons, Kraftwerk, War, N.W.A., KISS, Bon Jovi.

We'll see if that fifteen beats any of our individual predictions. Wisdom of the crowds!

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Tuesday, 09.4.12 @ 01:36am


I can't help but disagree with you on one thing, FRL. I don't think they'll totally omit alternative, I can see them going for The Cure or maybe The Pixies.

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 09.4.12 @ 08:25am


No Mary Wells, no Marvelettes, no Monkees, no Deep Purple, and no Whitney Houston

Future Rock Legends predicts the 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees

Donna Summer, Chic, Heart, Kiss, War, Eric B. & Rakim, The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, The Spinners, Public Enemy, N.W.A., Patsy Cline, Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels , Junior Parker, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Rush

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.4.12 @ 08:28am


Eric B. & Rakim, Public Enemy, N.W.A.

You actually think they will put 3 Rap acts on the same ballot?

Damn you Toure!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.4.12 @ 08:40am


If there are going to be any surprises on the ballot this year, who would they be?

The Monkees, Deep Purple, Chicago, Joe Cocker, Linda Ronstadt

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.4.12 @ 08:43am


I don't really see any basis for Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels. And the R&RHF needs to shed their 80's phobia. The Cure were previously nominated and have a good case. Also if Hip/Hop is being fully embraced than Afrika Bambattaa was as important a pioneering figure as Grand Master Flash.

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 09.4.12 @ 15:12pm


i would not be shocked if two prog rock bands get nominated

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 09.4.12 @ 15:38pm


I's important to remember that even though the Miami Sound Machine has been eligible for 10 years, this is Gloria Estefan's first year to be eligible. They need more qomen and Latinos/Latinas in the RRHOF.

Posted by Kariann1 on Tuesday, 09.4.12 @ 18:09pm


1, They really are missing an 80's presence. They of course have certain exhibits to eras, cities, decades, and genres , including a wall all about rap. However they did not have anything celebrating electronic/techno music. I think it is time.

Posted by Brian on Saturday, 09.1.12 @ 21:44pm

I'll drink to that, and then some. I think that the rockist mentality has been a driving force in keeping the likes of Kraftwerk, Gary Numan/Tubeway Army, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, and other seminal new wave/synthpop/electronic acts from gracing the RRHOF. The 1980s are sorely underrepresented in the Hall, outside of Madonna, Prince, Michael Jackson, Van Halen, The Clash, and a few others. Like it or not, synthesizers helped define a major part of the 1980s music scene. Unlike today's coma-inducing autotune, synthesizers weren't just a cheap gimmick for artists to use as a crutch. Many of Gary Numan's songs feature haunting piano solos and a lot of classical influences.

Posted by Zach on Tuesday, 09.4.12 @ 19:54pm


"I think that the rockist mentality has been a driving force in keeping the likes of Kraftwerk, Gary Numan/Tubeway Army, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, and other seminal new wave/synthpop/electronic acts from gracing the RRHOF." -Zach

You nailed it. All more than worthy acts continually and obnoxiously ignored.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 09.4.12 @ 21:46pm


Alright to say that mitch ryder should get inducted because they influenced Bruce Springsteen is like saying the Pixies should get inducted because thy influenced Nirvana. They have to have better credentials than just influence huge acts

Posted by Andrew on Wednesday, 09.5.12 @ 00:36am


Wait. I actually agree with what Zach said. Very well said. There are many genres underrepresented (like prog and metal), but it is even more ridiculous that an entire DECADE is being glossed over by the suits on the Central Committee. Nominating The Cure last year was finally a good start in getting beyond the obvious mainstream (Madonna, Prince, etc.) But The Cure, Smiths, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Pixies, Replacements, Cars...all are such obviously important choices vs. dredging the bottom of the 60's.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 09.5.12 @ 07:37am


It's a good thing that new blood is being added to the hall, I just wish it'd happen more rapidly. You can't omit the likes of Depche Mode and Kraftwerk while inducting Laura Nyro.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 09.5.12 @ 10:58am


Here is a partial list of groups that have been cited as underrepresented in the Rock Hall:

- Prog
- Metal
- Hip Hop
- 80s artists
- 70s artists
- 50s artists
- Women
- Electronic
- Alternative
- Disco

When you induct only five artists per year, you're just going to keep sinking further underwater.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Wednesday, 09.5.12 @ 11:07am


Folk is underrepresented!

IN

Lead Belly, Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen, Tom Waits, Laura Nyro

OUT

Phil Ochs, Joan Baez, Judy Collins, Peter, Paul and Mary, The Kingston Trio

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.5.12 @ 12:08pm


I forgot where I read it, but the R&RHF voting/nomination patterns tend to track the Rolling Stone History of Rock. That history clearly valued certain eras and styles over other. And it tended to go in a rockist direction. It's good to try to drain these type of arbitrary judgments out of the discussion. Times change. Music changes. Attitudes change. As do perceptions of the past.

Re: Mitch Ryder, unless I am missing something important, it doesn't compute at all. It's a bit hazardous to speak about "influence" in the limited terms of artist A really liked artist B. It opens the door to personal preferences, favoritism, cronyism, etc. Influence has to reflect something a bit more concrete, such as stylistically impacting the development of popular music, not just "Bruce Springsteen thought he was cool."

Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 09.5.12 @ 13:44pm


I think the primary reason FRL put Mitch Ryder up is because it's no secret the Hall and Jann Wenner/Rolling Stone have a deep infatuation with everything Bruce Springsteen.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 09.5.12 @ 14:42pm


Eventually, everyone who is brought up here will get in. The method to look at is: Look Forward to go Backwards.

It all revolves around money. Under the current conditions, there is no reason to induct anyone from the 1980's. They are still working off tail end boomers for their revenue. In addition, as I've said before, the 80's are the reason they built this place. The last thing they want to do is go back & induct the acts that drove them to think up a hall.

This is the reason you've heard me mention the groups from the 90's as a barometer regarding the voting. Consider it this way: they did not build the place only to honor their heroes for about 30 yrs. or so. They want this to be permanent, & in order to have a Hall to last for all time, you need a reason for folks to show up, including Younger folks.

This is the key - & it's the reason why they don't need the 80's - they've got the 90's crowd coming up. Generation X is split in three groups - knuckleheads who only like the 80's, knuckleheads who only like the 90's, & the smart folks in the middle who liked them both. Thing is, the Boomers who built this place only need 1/2 of the audience to keep the place going - & considering their take on the 80's, guess which end of Gen X they're looking at? You got it.

It's the reason I've said keep looking at the 90's crowd. We already know how Metallica & a few others feel about older acts, but so long as the Hall has the 90's crowd to fall back on, then so what, goes the thinking. However - If suddenly, the Pearl Jam's & Green Day's & Radioheads joined Metallica & a few others, then... then... you've got a problem. Take away the Whole of Gen X (& their reason for even thinking about showing up) & you knock out the Financial Underpinnings of the Hall!

Do this, & then you'll start to see all sorts of acts left over from the 70's & 80's start rolling in. Remember, these folks want their 50's & 60's icons to be remembered forever - but someone has to foot the bill for it all! A coalition of like-minded acts can do it, but it Has To Have The 90's Acts involved - the Hall has already proven it can do an end around on the 80's w/out a problem. This is what I mean by Looking Forward to go Backwards.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 09.5.12 @ 16:01pm


"I think the primary reason FRL put Mitch Ryder up is because it's no secret the Hall and Jann Wenner/Rolling Stone have a deep infatuation with everything Bruce Springsteen."

So sad, yet so true. Bruce could come out tomorrow and say the 80s were the best decade ever, and all of a sudden you'd probably see an all 80s ballot.

Actually, I have a feeling that the reason Little Steven hates synthesizers so much because when his band tried to use them it ended up sounded REALLY dated. I mean, the keyboard in Born In The USA sounds like something at an old carnival. Syths can age well, in fact; Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, "Everybody Wants To Rule The World", there's examples out there, the Hall just wants to ignore them.

With that being said, It wouldn't surprise me to see the 80s break through, simply because enough of those 90s acts WERE fans of the 80s bands.

Posted by Jim on Wednesday, 09.5.12 @ 16:55pm


Jim- *slow clap* coz I'm on my shite phone and can't clap any faster. But, a spot on post from you. Well said my old friend.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 09.5.12 @ 18:15pm


the cure will only probably be the synth/alternative/80s band that would get nominated for the hall of fame

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 09.5.12 @ 18:45pm


In addition, as I've said before, the 80's are the reason they built this place. The last thing they want to do is go back & induct the acts that drove them to think up a hall.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 09.5.12 @ 16:01pm
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I'm sure your right, but it's not a very tenable attitude. It makes the R&RHF totally reactionary and reopens the criticism that it arbitarily favors certain eras and styles above others. There isn't a whole lot of credibility left after this becomes too readily apparent. Also a strong argument can be made that the music of the early 80s is more relevant today than the music of the early 90s. Either way, if the R&RHF wants to be taken seriously than it needs to grow up and not be afraid of change.

Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 09.6.12 @ 01:22am


I'm sure your right, but it's not a very tenable attitude. It makes the R&RHF totally reactionary and reopens the criticism that it arbitarily favors certain eras and styles above others. There isn't a whole lot of credibility left after this becomes too readily apparent. Also a strong argument can be made that the music of the early 80s is more relevant today than the music of the early 90s. Either way, if the R&RHF wants to be taken seriously than it needs to grow up and not be afraid of change.

Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 09.6.12 @ 01:22am
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You're right on almost every point here.

Think about it, though. Have these folks ever shown any fear of not being credible? Madonna before Metallica? Madonna Period?!

Look at it using ridiculously over-simplified mathematics. There's about 50 million Gen-X'er's out there, give or take. Let's pretend that it's split directly down the middle, 25 for the 80's, 25 for the 90's. All this institution need's to do is guarantee Some kind of audience for the future - it's not going to worry about where it's coming from.

I'm going to play Boomer Advocate here. All I really want is for my favorites, the one's from the 50's, 60's, & maybe some from the early 70's to be remembered yrs. from now. Now I didn't care for all those synths in the 80's - they sounded cheesy, un-rock-like, & we all know Elvis & the Beatles wouldn't stoop to making such fake music. I may not care for the 90's, either - but at least I can take the fact that they did it like the 50's - 70's. Therefore, if I stuff this place w/Seattle acts & major 90's stars, I can probably rope in a fair amount of those 25,000,000 in question. I'm going to need to, since Boomers are all moving toward the retirement age, & fixed incomes may not allow them to keep the doors open here in Cleveland.

Of course, if any of those 90's acts start acting like Metallica, & start suggesting what acts should be in here - well, then, I've got a problem. If all of a sudden, I were to find that Metallica, GNR, & maybe the Chili Peppers all balked - well I can survive this. But if they balk, & are joined by say, Dave Grohl 9representing both acts he's well known for), Pearl Jam, Green Day, Radiohead, etc., then I've got an issue. You're talking 15 yrs. of bands, which means 15 yrs. of potential diminished audiences, & I can't have that. That's when you've got me over a barrel, per se'.

It's not the nicest way to do it, but it would work. When I first came to this site a while back, it was possible to envision the 80's acts getting in on teir own. Now it's not. It's the reason why I'm saying Look Forwards To Go Backwards. If the 80's were smart, they'd raise the white flag & get together w/the 90's & do something about it. Cause as I've just shown, there's no economic reason why I should even think about considering the 80's, especially from my closed, inner-circle position.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 09.6.12 @ 07:09am


All thoughtful comments.

I know Rush fans are Yahoos (I am one), but it is patently absurd. They are not just "a prog band". They are one of the very, very few bands that have been around since the early 70's with the same line up, consistently put out new material and consistently are able to support arena tours. On top of that, each musician is considered a master of his craft and 2 of them still win or place high in polls even today.

The arguments have all been made, but we are really discussing a guy who may have influenced Bruce and there is so little discussion or consideration for a band that has records like the 3rd most consecutive gold/platinum records after the Beatles and the Stones AND are extremely musically respected?

Posted by Dubes on Thursday, 09.6.12 @ 12:18pm


well then they better get nominated

Posted by chris on Friday, 09.7.12 @ 12:11pm


I'll drop my 2 cents about 2013:

Well, Donna Summer's passing away pretty much guarantees that she will be inducted this year. And as discussed, Public Enemy is another big-name hip-hop act, so they will take a second lock and all other hip-hop acts will have to wait.

I hear a few people discussing Soundgarden, but it does not make sense to induct them before Nirvana. SG will have to wait.

As for Rush, if not inducted, at least a nomination to show that there is interest in getting the band in. But as said before, I think Deep Purple might sneak in ahead of Rush. Remember, Deep Purple was also progressive rock (at least in their early career), so that could take in the prog vote.

The rest is up for decision IMO.

Posted by maplejet on Friday, 09.7.12 @ 17:35pm


I procastinated on commenting on this post just because there's so much I can say and so much I can predict, disagree, etc. So here it is:

Assuming they will choose 15 nominees, I would definitely agree that Public Enemy and Donna Summer would be locked. As much as I hate to say it but now that Summer's dead people will probably give the committee a guilt trip for not putting her in while she was alive. Especially for all those times she was nominated.

As for the newbies this year, I would actually substitute Jane's Addiction for NWA, just because (no pun intended!). Sure, NWA did help invent gangsta rap and West Coast hiphop, but I don't see it happening this year. Jane's, on the other hand, I think many will recognize their influence as well as Perry Farrell and Dave Navarro's shaping of the music industry. Also, Rolling Stone has put their songs and albums on their lists, more than NWA.

For the previously nominated, I would only agree with Heart, KISS and the Spinners. Its easy to say if Cameron Crowe was on the nominating board he would definitely put his wife's band in the HOF (Lol). I see KISS definitely getting in soon. Not to sound mean but its already clear that those who vote for the inductees don't want War or Chic. This should send a message to the nominating committee. I would like to throw in The Cure, Kraftwerk and Chuck Willis.

It's a totally mixed bag for the yet-to-be-nominated group, so there's going to be plenty of happy and disgusted people, depending on how they feel who deserves what and when. I'll start with Patsy Cline. Only her, Conway Twitty and Willie Nelson are pretty much the last of the 'old-school' Country bunch and putting her on the list would be a great start. I don't know why but for some reason I see them sneaking her out the back door and putting her as an 'Early Influence'.

Like you said about Rush, it HAS to happen sometime. It's no secret that they are one of the Top 5 bands that rock fans want in the HoF. So why haven't they already? To give us more hope Rolling Stone magazine has given them more space in their publications the last two years.

Mitch Ryder is a great 'left-field' pick. Bob Seger and the Boss have cited him as an influence and he could very well get in. Unfortunately I missed my opportunity to see him live in my town earlier this year when he performed at the re-opening of a community theatre.

Here are my 'left-field' picks:
-Nick Drake, as it has been the last 2 years.
-Eurythmics -or- Duran Duran (for some reason, I see an MTV-era British 80s group coming in soon!)
-The Cars. They need some sort of mention....sooner the better!
-Roxy Music. Rolling Stone has put a lot of their stuff on their lists so it strikes me as odd that they haven't even got on the ballot yet
And lastly...
-The Commodores -or- Kool and the Gang. They might as well put a slot for a 70s-era-type funk group. Kool and the Gang because I often compare them to Earth Wind and Fire, and I saw them open for Van Halen (or Van Roth) earlier this year, and arguably they put on a better performance than VH! The Commodores because of many reasons, not just for Richie's sudden career resurgance in Country. After all, no one can touch every genre like Lionel!

What do you think?

p.s. Is it just me or do I think the webmaster of this site is a huge fan of Stevie Ray Vaughan. I see so many mentions and references to him on here....

Posted by Jason Voigt on Friday, 09.7.12 @ 20:04pm


yeah donna summer and public enemy are locks for induction, the rest could be deep purple/kiss, the spinners, heart, and maybe a singer/songwriter

Posted by chris on Saturday, 09.8.12 @ 13:48pm


Tomorrow is the nominating committee's meeting.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 09.9.12 @ 21:19pm


After her death, Donna seems like a shoo-in ("sympathy vote"). Public Enemy will likely be the fourth hip-hop act to be inducted judging from their embrace by Rolling Stone. Heart could definitely get in for the female rock addition. The rest are up for debate, but KISS could get in, I think one of the new members of the committee that joined this year once managed or looked after KISS. The Spinners will also get in for the soul vote. So that's five potential inductees. I could see NWA, Rush, Stevie Ray, Rufus & Chaka (again) and (possibly) Whitney Houston getting nominated.

Posted by Tim on Sunday, 09.9.12 @ 23:38pm


Does this mean the nominees will be announced before September 21st?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 09.10.12 @ 03:39am


p.s. Is it just me or do I think the webmaster of this site is a huge fan of Stevie Ray Vaughan. I see so many mentions and references to him on here....

J.V.
I think ther are so many references to Stevie Ray Vaughan, because like Deep Purple and Rush his nomination/ induction is way overdue.
Jeff Peterson

Posted by Jeff Peterson on Monday, 09.10.12 @ 13:54pm


is the nominations going to be announced today?

Posted by chris on Monday, 09.10.12 @ 16:02pm


No, the nominees likely won't officially be announced for a couple of weeks.

Posted by FRL on Monday, 09.10.12 @ 16:28pm


damn it!!! it should be now though

Posted by chris on Monday, 09.10.12 @ 19:43pm


It is shocking that CONNIE FRANCIS was not inducted a long time ago! She seems to be essential.

Posted by Sal on Tuesday, 09.11.12 @ 17:16pm


I wonder what the left-field candidate will be. We always tend to groan around here when someone's on the ballot that wasn't even inducted in our Rock Hall Revisited/Projected inductions (*cough*RufuswithChakaKhan*cough*) since it's so weird that an act not even on our radar can suddenly appear on the ballot or even be inducted (*cough*TheSmallFacesandFaces*cough*).


Of course, it's even crazier when somebody not on our list of the top 500 Performers ends up on the ballot (*cough*SirDouglasQuintet*cough*). However, it's even stranger if such a name is inducted into Cleveland (*cough*Percy Sledge*cough*).

*cough*

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 09.12.12 @ 02:59am


I find that this Rock'n' Roll Hall of Fame is a feud.The 'title' sais it all.ie All who are inducted must belong to the Rock'n' Roll era[1955-1970],who shaped and who made it'BIG'[Fame]on the music scene.
I am astounded WHY!!!! Connie Francis is NOT inducted.She should've been inducted with Elvis as the King and Queen.She was the FIRST FEMALE SINGER as the Prototype for all the Female followers.She made it 'BIG' and sold 500 million worlwide.She holds certain records STILL!!!.Her record tally of singing in 15 languages is still unbeaten.I could go on and on.
I really believe that Connie SHOULD BE INDUCTED,but,ON HER OWN.
How's possible that Ella Fitzgerald is there.?She is NOT Rock'n' Roll but Jazz.You should have a JAZZ HALL OF FAME then.Thanks

Posted by Roger Turner on Wednesday, 09.12.12 @ 05:17am


@ Roger Turner

Ella Fitzgerald is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Re: Connie Francis, yes I agree with you she should be in.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 09.12.12 @ 05:41am


http://www.longafterdark.net/2012/04/2013-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-ballot.html

Long After Dark

The 2013 Rock And Roll Hall of Fame Ballot

Traveling Wilburys, Brian Wilson, Tracy Chapman, Mudhoney, Soundgarden, Pixies, Fugazi, Joan Jett and The Blackhearts, Rush, Hall & Oates, Todd Rundgren, Kiss

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.12.12 @ 08:02am


"only artists from55 - 70 should be inducted"

what a boring hall that'd be

"500 million records sold" not true

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 09.12.12 @ 11:08am


Also inducting Mudhoney before Nirvana would be a tragedy.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 09.12.12 @ 11:08am


Mudhoney aren't eligible anyway.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 09.12.12 @ 12:23pm


what day specifically will they announce the nominees for 2013?

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 09.12.12 @ 16:57pm


Chris, whenever Little Steven feels like taking a shit on our hopes and dreams by revealing that Herman's Hermits is on the ballot.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 09.12.12 @ 17:39pm


Absolutely...Connie Francis should be in and should have been one of the first to walk in!

Posted by Sal on Wednesday, 09.12.12 @ 20:36pm


Sorry Mr. Peterson, I'm just not convinced about SRV. I can't take away the fact he was talented and all, but his influence and HOF credentials? Maybe if Kenny Wayne Shepherd and/or Jonny Lang would get in on their first year of eligibility then I would definitely think he's deserving. Everyone's got their own opinions though. I'm aware I'm in the minority on this one. Good news is I agree with everyone else about Deep Purple, Rush, list goes on and on and on

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 09.12.12 @ 21:36pm


final predictions for the 2013 nominees:

donna summer
public enemy
MC5
Deep Purple
The monkees
Yes
the spinners
cat stevens
J geils band
KISS
the cure
Heart
chicago
soundgarden
and stevie ray vaughan

and if that is the list, then my 2013 inductees are:

kiss
donna summer
public enemy
MC5
cat stevens
and the monkees

Posted by chris on Thursday, 09.13.12 @ 10:53am


****25 Women and groups who, IMO, should ALREADY BE in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame:****

1)Connie Francis.

2)Dionne Warwick.

3)The Marvelettes.

4)Mary Wells.

5)Patti LaBelle & The Bluebelles/LaBelle

6)Karen Carpenter (with her brother Richard)

7)Janet Jackson.

8)Donna Summer.

9)The Shangri-Las

10.Ella Fitzgerald (Performer, Early Influence, or Both).

11.Cher (with Sonny and solo)

12.Natalie Cole.

13.The Pointer Sisters.

14. Whitney Houston.

15.Sade.

16.Anita Baker.

17.Linda Ronstadt.

18.Carole King ( as a PERFORMER)

19.Tammi Terrell

20.Pat Benatar.

21.Nancy Wilson (as an early influence)

22.Minnie Riperton.

23.Phoebe Snow.

24.Betty Everett.(one of the most-covered Female Artists)

25. Big Mama Thornton (ditto).

Other's opinions may differ. Does anyone have other names to add ?

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 09.13.12 @ 16:11pm


Petula Clark and Olivia Newton-John.

(Other's opinions WILL differ!)

Posted by classicrocker on Thursday, 09.13.12 @ 16:16pm


***25 R&B and Doo-Wop groups who, IMO, should ALREADY BE in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame:***

1.The Spinners.

2.The Manhattans.

3.The Chi-Lites.

4.Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes.

5. The Dominoes.

6. The Whispers.

7. The Dramatics.

8. Ruby and The Romantics.(much-covered group)

9.The Valentinos.(not just Bobby solo).

10.The Stylistics.

11.The Delfonics.

12. The Crests. (best way to get Johnny Maestro in).

13 The Fifth Dimension(kinda Popish, but deserving).

14.The Belmonts. with or without Dion.

15. Jay & The Americans.

16. The Penguins.(early influence)

17.The Duprees.

18.The Contours. (don't laugh. One of the most important early Motown groups, and yes,they had more hits than "Do You Love Me".)

19. The Tokens.

20.The Cadillacs.(a BIG influence on the Temptations).

21.The Clovers. (early influence)

22.The Diamonds.

23.The Commodores.

25. The Tavares Brothers.

I'll add others as I think of them. Other's opinions may differ.

Also, add THE CHANTELS to my previous list.

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 09.13.12 @ 16:46pm


"Petula Clark and Olivia Newton-John.

(Other's opinions WILL differ!)"

Yeah, them too. (and The Chantels)

I can't remember everybody. That's what this blog is for ...so we can help each other fill in the blanks.

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 09.13.12 @ 16:49pm


for women chuck in Bjork.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 09.13.12 @ 16:58pm


Bill G, no disrespect to Sade (quite the opposite if I was forced to pick) but, really? Opinions will differ I guess.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 09.14.12 @ 11:15am


how many inductees does everybody think will be inducted for 2013? Im thinking at least 6-7 at best.

Posted by chris on Friday, 09.14.12 @ 11:52am


I'd say 5.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 09.14.12 @ 13:31pm


idk, i think it will be 6-7, depending who are the nominees are, you know.

Posted by chris on Friday, 09.14.12 @ 15:04pm


Technically, Bjork isn't eligible yet (although I think she should be based on the Sugar Cubes, right?)

I hope they induct 6 or 7 since there is such a big backlog of deserving & eligible candidates!

Posted by Mike on Friday, 09.14.12 @ 15:11pm


Bjork made an album in 1976, so she is eligible.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 09.14.12 @ 15:33pm


GFW, it is true that Bjork is eligible to be inducted. However, I think Bjork would rather have the eligibity start in 2018. You see, Bjork's 1993 album which included such gems as Human Behavior was actually named Debut. For Bjork, it was a new start after her Icelandic recordings, and her work with her old band, The Sugarcubes. In fact, looking at Bjork's website, there is no mention whatsoever of her 1976 covers album in the Icelandic language. So, when Bjork does get inducted at ar about 2018; it will be treated as a first ballot or near first ballot induction.

Like many, I await what the Nominating Committee at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has decided to put as finalists for the Class of 2013. Here, once again, are the Performers I infer will be inducted.

Peter Gabriel
Donna Summer
Kraftwerk
Deep Purple
Gram Parsons
The Pixies
Public Enemy

And here is who will also be nominees, though not inducted this year.

Whitney Houston
The Monkees
Soundgarden
Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
Randy Newman
The Cure
The Spinners
Yes
Mary Wells

I am pretty certain this will be the result the RRHOF will take by the end of this year. At some point, I have to be in the right. If not, I am willing to humbly eat a crow, metaphorically speaking.

Will not be suprised to see Giorgio Moroder inducted next year,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Friday, 09.14.12 @ 20:58pm


Yeah, makes sense. Considering her 76 album isn't even in print I think it's officially disowned. Anyway, most the commitee probably have never heard of it.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 09.15.12 @ 06:29am


Yeah, makes sense. Considering her 76 album isn't even in print I think it's officially disowned. Anyway, most the commitee probably have never heard of it.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 09.15.12 @ 06:31am


no way the pixies and/or kraftwerk will get in

Posted by chris on Saturday, 09.15.12 @ 18:07pm


Maybe Kraftwerk won't make it, but they should. If the Hall really cared about inducting the most influential artists and if they knew anything about music history, Kraftwerk should be their top priority.

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 09.15.12 @ 20:17pm


I like Kraftwerk and I even nominated them in my proposed nominations. But somewhere along the line they began to stand in for all electronic bands. Let's just say there were quite a few of them, including bands that preceded them like the Silver Apples and acts that had a stronger impact on the charts like Moroder. So I consider Krafwerk a worthy inductee, just not "the most influential band of all time" that we often hear related to them.

Posted by astrodog on Sunday, 09.16.12 @ 03:34am


I would say that they are the biggest snub and certainly more influential than Silver Apples but mostinfluential band should probably go to Beatles or someone like that.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 09.16.12 @ 07:14am


predictions:
-Donna Summer
-Chic
-Labelle
-KISS
-Cher
-Eric B and Rakim
-Judy Garland (early influences)

Posted by mjm on Sunday, 09.16.12 @ 10:35am


How on earth did you come up with THAT?

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 09.16.12 @ 11:29am


Hey Bill, just thought I'd add my two cents on your two lists:

1)Connie Francis---definitely

2)Dionne Warwick---definitely NOT

3)The Marvelettes---huge omission

4)Mary Wells---hate her music, but see her importance, so I won't support her, but I won't call her a bad call either.

5)Patti LaBelle & The Bluebelles/LaBelle---maybe down the line. They're pretty good.

6)Karen Carpenter (with her brother Richard)---I don't wanna use the Carpenters to break ground on inducting AC... rather the Association be the ones to do that. Or the Vogues.

7)Janet Jackson---Yup

8)Donna Summer---Yup

9)The Shangri-Las---Not a top pick, but sure

10.Ella Fitzgerald (Performer, Early Influence, or Both)--EI only.

11.Cher (with Sonny and solo)---Definitely the duo... on the fence about the solo career

12.Natalie Cole---no. Sorry

13.The Pointer Sisters---Goodness yes.

14. Whitney Houston---I'd give her the nod

15.Sade---I can see why you'd say that, but she puts me to sleep.

16.Anita Baker---need to research more

17.Linda Ronstadt---Perhaps, but not a major omission either

18.Carole King ( as a PERFORMER)---I could go for that

19.Tammi Terrell---tough call, but no. She had a bunch of songs without Marvin, but her duet career stands head and shoulders above all that.

20.Pat Benatar---yup

21.Nancy Wilson (as an early influence)---need to research more

22.Minnie Riperton---lulz, no

23.Phoebe Snow---Smelly cat, smelly cat... oh wrong Phoebe. Research time!

24.Betty Everett.(one of the most-covered Female Artists)---Yeah, but still gonna say not quite.

25. Big Mama Thornton (ditto)---EI, yeah.

A close but no to Petula Clark. A HELL NO to ONJ, and a yes to the Chantels. And I'm sorry, but I hate the sound of Bjork's voice.

Some others to add, imo:

1. Sister Rosetta Tharpe--A lot of us were shocked when she didn't get the EI nod this past year.

2. Lesley Gore--Rock and roll is the music of youth, and she's the original Teen Queen

3. The Crystals--the last major nail in the coffin of Spector's spectre.

4. The Chiffons---I'd say as deserving as the Shangri-La's

5. Chaka Khan solo--And I think Rufus deserves a nod. Two inductees here.

6. Tina Turner solo---better be good to her!

7. Kate Bush--Not my cup of tea... come to think of it, neither is tea, but as a nod for my British compatriots here, I'll mention her as well.

Onto the groups list.


1.The Spinners--I bummed pretty hard when they missed this past time

2.The Manhattans--maybe

3.The Chi-Lites---A hard sell, but they're awesome

4.Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes--YES

5. The Dominoes--Yes

6. The Whispers---I wouldn't support them

7. The Dramatics---down the line maybe

8. Ruby and The Romantics.(much-covered group)---Eek. No.

9.The Valentinos.(not just Bobby solo)--I see why you say that, but no.

10.The Stylistics--I'd say yes.

11.The Delfonics---Another hard sell that I'd like to see get in.

12. The Crests. (best way to get Johnny Maestro in)---probably. Honestly, I'd like to see them use the "Award For Musical Excellence" as a Lifetime Achievement category, and induct Johnny Maestro here.

13 The Fifth Dimension(kinda Popish, but deserving)---not my faves, but yeah

14.The Belmonts. with or without Dion---with Dion, yes.

15. Jay & The Americans---I like them, but no.

16. The Penguins.(early influence)---NOT as an Early Influence. If they're in, they're a Performer

17.The Duprees---noooooo

18.The Contours. (don't laugh. One of the most important early Motown groups, and yes,they had more hits than "Do You Love Me".)---yeah but Do You Love Me's the only one that has really survived. That song is huge, but I don't think that makes the Contours a necessity.

19. The Tokens---I think you all know how I feel about this one.

20.The Cadillacs.(a BIG influence on the Temptations)---Close call, but I'm gonna say no.

21.The Clovers. (early influence)---I really hope they'd get in as Performers. The only reason we inducted them in our revisited bit as Influences is because we were too busy going out of our skulls for late 70's onward alternative scene bands.

22.The Diamonds---definitely

23.The Commodores---probably

25. The Tavares Brothers---Tavares I'd say yes too.

I think The GAP Band deserves a mention too. I mentioned others in my analysis of the Vocal Group Hall of Fame on the RHM blog. I'll also mention Junior Walker And The All-Stars, too.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09.16.12 @ 18:02pm


Well... that's out there.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 09.16.12 @ 18:03pm


Any rumblings/news about when the nominees will be announced? Last year, they released the nominees within a week of the big meeting.

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 09.16.12 @ 22:12pm


These are the artists who should have been in by now, but aren't probably because they ticked off Jann Wenner somewhere down the road-

The Cars- more influential than ever
Cheap Trick- been together forever
Rush- see above
Steve Miller- Born into rock and roll (Les Paul was his Godfather), and no one can play or sing like him.
ELO/ Jeff Lynne- You didn't hold out Elton or Rod when they did disco, why hold that against Jeff? He's one of the most prolific songwriters of the 70s.
Hall & Oates- Biggest selling duo EVER!

Posted by Steve Lah on Tuesday, 09.18.12 @ 07:49am


yeah when will they announce it?

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 09.18.12 @ 11:16am


No leaks yet?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.18.12 @ 12:51pm


Male Artists that, IMO, should ALREADY BE in The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

1.Brook Benton (how can they induct Dinah Washington ...and leave Brook out ? Over 50 Chart Hits, mostly self written, and he wrote for numerous other artists as well.)

2.Eddie Floyd (he had more hits than just "Knock on Wood"- one the last major Stax artists not inducted.

3. Rufus Thomas (ditto)

4. Carla Thomas (ditto- "Gee Whi" and "B-A-B-Y" alone should have gotten her in ...not to mention her duet hits with Otis Redding (I know she's not a guy, but when I thought of her dad, she came to mind.

5.Gino Vannelli - One of the most innovative artists of the '70's with the albums to prove it. No one had a sound anywhere NEAR his.

6. Paul Anka - great artist and songwriter. I know he went "Pop" later in his career...but so did Bobby Darin...and that didn't keep HIM out.

7. Chuck Jackson -a String of R&B classics...from "Any Day Now" to "I Don't Want To Cry". Wanna know where Michael McDonald got his hit "I Keep Forgetting ? Look right here.And "Any Day Now" was covered by everyone from Elvis to Ronnie Milsap.

8.Joe Simon - Grammy Award-winning R&B singer and songwriter with a long string of over thirty chart hits from the late 60's throughout the seventies...including the original version of "Misty Blue" and hits like "The Choking Kind", "Drowning In A Sea Of Love", "Get Down, Get Down (Get On The Floor)","Pool Of Bad Luck", and "Moon Walk". 27 R&B Top 20 Hits...including 13 R&B Top 10's and 3 #1's....not to mention numerous chart hits in Canada.One of the last great Soul Singers.

9. Lou Rawls: He was more than just a Jazz and Blues singer: He recorded over 70 albums, and had numerous hits on both the Pop & R&B Charts as well...and a long successful acting career, and has won numerous awards for his musical career and his charity work. He also has one of the greatest voices in music.A Biopic of his life story is on the way.

10.Johnny Maestro (already mentioned earlier).

11.Frankie Avalon

12. Bobby Rydell

13 Bobby Vee (Yes, I think all of them should go in. so sue me). LOL

14.Chubby Checker (actually, I'm kinda on the fence with this one...but The Twist WAS the biggest dance craze in music history...and now that Hank Ballard AND The Midnighters are finally in, why not ?

15. Del Shannon. Numerous hit singles,wrote a lot of his own stuff, a tragic death...the stuff Rock and Roll is MADE OF.

16.Gene Chandler -The mighty "Duke Of Earl"-some 40 Pop and R&B Chart hits...singer, songwriter,record executive and label owner...has his own publishing companies, and one of the few artists that can boast of having hits through the Doo-Wop, R&B, Soul, and Disco Eras.51 years in the industry, and still knocking 'em dead on stage today....at the age of 75 !!! "Due Of Earl" is in the Grammy Hall of Fame , AND is one of The R&R HoF's 500 Songs That Shaped Rock and Roll. Put him in,already !!

17.Jerry Butler Ah, C'mon. He should have BEEN inducted YEARS AGO !!.Singer, Songwriter, Multi- Instrumentalist...I know he got in with The Impressions, but Jerry's career goes so much FURTHER than the Impressions. A long string of solo hit singles...dating all the way back to 1959. Chairman of The Rhythm & Blues Foundation, Host of all those great PBS Oldies Specials, County Commisioner of Cook County , Illinois,and still touring today. If Curtis Mayfield can get inducted as a member of the Impressions and solo, than Jerry , as the group's first big star,who wrote and sang lead on their first million-seller, "For Your Precious Love", also deserves a 2nd induction .



Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 09.18.12 @ 21:15pm


Del Shannon is already in the Hall of Fame

Posted by bojanthebest on Tuesday, 09.18.12 @ 21:43pm


Cool. Then scratch the Delster.

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 09.19.12 @ 02:37am


"he Contours. (don't laugh. One of the most important early Motown groups, and yes,they had more hits than "Do You Love Me".)---yeah but Do You Love Me's the only one that has really survived. That song is huge, but I don't think that makes the Contours a necessity. "

Obviously you haven't heard "First I Look at The Purse" Written by Robinson and Rogers of The Miracles ...covered by The J. Geils Band . The Contours did the original.Rod Stewart covered it too. And,it's a known fact that The Capitols' Top 10 hit, "Cool Jerk" was just a shameless , sped-up ripoff of The Contours' "Can You Jerk Like Me"...a far better song.Grand Funk Railroad covered The Contours' Motown hit, "Can You Do It"."Do You Love Me was covered by The Dave Clark Five, Brian Poole & the Tremeloes,the Silicon Teens,The Kingsmen,The J.Geils Band (did these guys rip off ALL or The Contours songs, or WHAT ?),Andy Fraser,the Hollies, The Sonics, Paul Revere & the Raiders and Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers and others.The Supremes covered The Contours R&B hit , "Just A Little Misunderstanding"...co written by Stevie Wonder. Do You Love Me has sold over 10,000,000 copies.

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 09.19.12 @ 03:02am


Bill G., gotta disagree with you on Del Shannon. IMO, basically a one-hit wonder who offed himself in a fit of pique over the world not realizing how great Del Shannon was.

A lot more deserving artists than him, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 09.19.12 @ 09:13am


Must change comments above to 'Del Shannon should not be in HOF (heh)',

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 09.19.12 @ 09:16am


come on, nomination commitee, announce the nominations already, wuts taking so long? at least announce it by this weekend at the latest

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 09.19.12 @ 11:35am


chris, I think we should get word on the nominees by Sept 29th at the latest, at least that's my guess. Of course, it would be more entertaining if it happened sooner.

Isn't there usually at least 1 or 2 leaks by this time?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 09.19.12 @ 15:16pm


Rush, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Steve Miller Band

Posted by hollywoodjesse on Wednesday, 09.19.12 @ 15:18pm


well, that is too long of a wait in my opinion, just announce it now for gods sake

Posted by chris on Thursday, 09.20.12 @ 10:56am


I agree, they should get it over with already.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 09.20.12 @ 11:02am


"Obviously you haven't heard 'First I Look at The Purse'"--Bill G.

Yes I have, and it's a good song, but not groundbreaking.

1.Brook Benton--Big yes

2.Eddie Floyd--not really

3. Rufus Thomas--sure

4. Carla Thomas --maybe, but I'm leaning know.

5.Gino Vannelli - No

6. Paul Anka - F*** no

7. Chuck Jackson -

8.Joe Simon - Both of these I'm leaning towards no... they just never really broke through the glass ceiling, but could be nominated as "revenge against the '60s" picks similar to Darlene Love and Laura Nyro

9. Lou Rawls: Definitely

10.Johnny Maestro (already commented).

11.Frankie Avalon - No

12. Bobby Rydell - Yes

13 Bobby Vee-- No

14.Chubby Checker - BIG YES

16.Gene Chandler - I've read your dissertation in the past on him, and my answer is still no.

17.Jerry Butler - Big yes to the Ice Man

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 09.20.12 @ 18:16pm


Today is September 21. A couple years ago the nominees were announced on September 21.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 09.21.12 @ 10:44am


Philip wrote:
"Obviously you haven't heard 'First I Look at The Purse'"--Bill G.

Yes I have, and it's a good song, but not groundbreaking.

1.Brook Benton--Big yes

2.Eddie Floyd--not really

3. Rufus Thomas--sure

4. Carla Thomas --maybe, but I'm leaning know.

5.Gino Vannelli - No

6. Paul Anka - F*** no

7. Chuck Jackson -

8.Joe Simon - Both of these I'm leaning towards no... they just never really broke through the glass ceiling, but could be nominated as "revenge against the '60s" picks similar to Darlene Love and Laura Nyro

9. Lou Rawls: Definitely

10.Johnny Maestro (already commented).

11.Frankie Avalon - No

12. Bobby Rydell - Yes

13 Bobby Vee-- No

14.Chubby Checker - BIG YES

16.Gene Chandler - I've read your dissertation in the past on him, and my answer is still no.

17.Jerry Butler - Big yes to the Ice Man

Well, Phillip, It's like I previously said, other's opinions may differ.

You and I have had our differences before, like on The Famous Flames. The RRHOF sided with me . The Flames are in. As they should be. (And I'm not going to argue with you about that issue anymore).

I still believe that you put too much of an emphasis on Pop Chart penetration. And I'll tell you now what I told you then: There is more to life than just the Pop Charts.

I also told you this before:

If the RRHOF used only those charts and that philosophy to determine induction suitability, The Midnighters, Lloyd Price, Ruth Brown,The Dells, and a host of others would have never gotten inducted.

Artists such as The Dramatics, The Whispers, and The Manhattans, have all had long, distinguished careers. All 3 groups have had numerous chart hits dating all the way back to the 1960's and are still touring and recording today. Should they be excluded from the RRHoF just because they didn't sell as many records or had as many #1 hits as Madonna ? I think not.
Just because their records weren't played in rural USA, doesn't mean they weren't important or influential .

(And yes, I STILL think that Gene Chandler deserves to be inducted. He has influenced Pop culture in immeasurable ways. He deserves to be in.)

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.





Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 09.21.12 @ 13:56pm


Others that I think should be considered:

BARRY WHITE

Barry was NOT a "Disco" artist ! He was an R&B artist that later rode the disco wave...just like a lot of other artists did.The Stones made Disco records during that time too.Does that make THEM a "Disco" group ?

THE INTRUDERS

The Intruders were to Philly and Gamble and Huff what The Miracles were to Berry Gordy and Motown: The first major success...the group that started the entire Philly Soul phenomenon. Their success opened the the doors to The O'Jays, Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes,The Spinners and numerous other Phily acts. Their success gave Gamble & Huff the seed money to start Gamble Records...the precursor to Philly International Records.Numerous hits on the Pop and R&B Charts. Ask Gamble and Huff and they'll tell you: It all started with The Intruders !!

DEL SHANNON

Yep, you were right !! He's already inducted. Class of 1999. That's what happens when I don't do research. Sorry.

ELLA FITZGERALD:

"America's First Lady Of Song" should have BEEN inducted YEARS AGO.

THE WAILERS.

Another group that should have been in a long time ago.With Marley.

DON CORNELIUS:

VERY IMPORTANT in bringing R&B/Soul music to the masses.Ditto to Black Culture and Dance. Probably the single most important figure in doing so since Berry Gordy. Should have BEEN inducted years ago.

NORMAN WHITFIELD and BARRETT STRONG:

I don't think I'll get many arguments here. Not even from GFW...now.

NEIL SEDAKA

No excuses...just put him in.You know he belongs there.

BEN E. KING

Yeah, he's already in with The Drifters.But, like Jerry Butler, He deserves individual recognition.

THE CHANTELS

Rock and Roll's first successful "Girl Group".
Yep.

THE MARVELETTES

Motown's first successful "Girl Group".
3 times the charted hits of the inducted Ronettes...and more influential to boot!! Opened the doors to The Vandellas, The Supremes, and many other non-Motown girl groups as well.

JR WALKER & THE ALL-STARS

Motown's all-time great party group !! Over 2 dozen chart hits. Jr Walker, Willie Woods, James Graves, Vic Thomas,(and perhaps Tony Washington and Billy "Stix" Nicks) should go in.

THE E STREET BAND:

Yep. No arguments. I won't listen. You shouldn't either.

THE BELMONTS:

See the E STREET BAND.



Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 09.21.12 @ 16:29pm


Bill, I realize there's more to determining merit than the pop charts, or R&B, or any charts at all, but if an artist wasn't hugely innovative or influential, the chart success will help quite a bit as it helps establish an artist's impact on the culture otherwise. Also, most of those acts you mentioned would still be in. And honestly, chart data alone would be reason enough to put the Dramatics, Moments, Manhattans, etc. in. I also think that still getting airplay to this day on Oldies, or any kind of classics station matters too, largely because they bring back the ones that were considered important. I remember once discussing Percy Sledge's induction with someone, and they said they thought he was a good call because "When A Man Loves A Woman", on any oldies station, would probably have to be one of three songs you can't call yourself an Oldies station if you don't have. I didn't buy it, of course, because that would also mean they'd have to induct Los Bravos (I'm still f'in burnt out on "Black Is Black"), but at least his name's still recognized. The charts are a factor, not the only one and certainly not the make or break criterion, but anyone who says they don't come into play at all is lying.

As for your newest list, the only one I'd disagree with is the Intruders, but I also admit I need to check them out more. Offhand, I can tell you that I really REALLY hate "Cowboys To Girls". Always have, always will. Also, I think comparing them to the Miracles is flawed. Badly.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 09.21.12 @ 16:56pm


" Also, I think comparing them to the Miracles is flawed. Badly."

As I said....other's opinions may differ.

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 09.21.12 @ 17:36pm


Re: Oldies Stations:

Philip,You know as well as I do that you can't always go by what is played on oldies stations today, either. Most radio stations today in the U.S. are owned and operated by Clear Channel, and their playlists have become highly specialized. They take one , maybe two songs from an artist's ENTIRE CAREER and play those songs into the ground...as if THOSE SONGS represented that artist's ENTIRE CAREER.And they ingore the rest. This is done by design. No, it's not fair...or even logical, but that's the way it is. James Brown is a case in point. He has had some 96 entries on the Billboard Hot 100 and at least 110 entries on the Billboard R&B chart....but honestly, when was the last time on any Oldies station, have you heard any of his songs, other than "I FEEL GOOD" or "PAPA'S GOT A BRAND NEW BAG" ?? Every now and then, you MAY hear "PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE", but that is about it.

Oh, and just because you personally didn't like "Cowboys To Girls " doesn't mean that you're in the majority. That song was an R.I.A.A. Certified Million-Seller....so SOMEBODY out there must have liked it.

Unless a person has satellite radio these days...you can forget about hearing a lot of great songs that commercial radio ignores. Trying to hear them on THOSE stations is just an exercise in sheer futility.

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 09.21.12 @ 18:00pm


Along with Percy Sledge, Del Shannon's induction didn't make sense to me. Both of them had only one big hit. Compared to Chubby Checker, that's an insult.

It'll be nice to get Brook Benton in but the rules have changed so much from 1986 that another few years may pass before he's finally considered.

The Contours is not Hall of Fame material. If they get in before the Marvelettes and Mary Wells, that would put a stain on Motown's stance on the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (which was a little stained for not inducting the Miracles until this year, but of course they had to say they were a "backing group". "Backing group" my butt).

Posted by Tim on Friday, 09.21.12 @ 20:40pm


Shannon is one of the more marginal inductees in the Hall, but he does have some credentials far beyond "Runaway". Aside from Roy Orbison, he was probably the most important rocker in that downtime of rock and roll between Elvis and the Beatles.

Posted by rockstar23 on Friday, 09.21.12 @ 23:38pm


KISS is most likely to get a nomination.. The last time they were announced on the ballot (2009 nominees/2010 induction) co-incided with the release of their album "Sonic Boom" .. They have a new album on the way called "Monster" plus 2013 marks the 40th anniversary of the Band.. would the Hall pass up the opportunity to capitalize on that?

Posted by director818 on Saturday, 09.22.12 @ 01:49am


Del Shannon was an excellent choice. "Hats Off To Larry," "That's The Way Love Is", "Keep Searchin'", "Stranger In Town"... great songs.

Bill--I wouldn't use James Brown as a case in point... sorry, but a lot of his post-Famous Flames stuff sounds the same. Between Popcorn, Ants In My Pants, etc. It's great funky stuff, but it doesn't offer a lot of variety of sound. And Clear Channel doesn't own "most". Hard as it is to believe, the anti-trust laws still come down pretty hard on broadcast media. It IS a bit oligopolistic, with little room left for individual market research, but it's still there. And a lot of acts still get a much bigger variety of their songs played on Oldies radio. Marvin Gaye gets a lot more than "I Heard It Through The Grapevine", the Beatles have almost their entire catalog in rotation (except for the weirder later material), the Beach Boys and Four Seasons both have a good dozen songs or so in Oldies stations' libraries, etc. But you're also forgetting why the design is like this... it's because most listeners are only casual at best. Some listen in the car ride, but how long is that? If you're lucky, you can listen at work. Once they're home it's the TV or movies or Internet... you can play "Surfin' U.S.A." everyday, and you'll still get someone different each day who'll say they haven't heard that song in a long time.

And I admitted my beef with "Cowboys To Girls" was personal... you don't need to preach at me. But the song's harmonies are a bit on the shrill side, and the lead vocals reminds me a bit of Bobby Lewis, who I also don't care for. Because face it, all of us here on this site are guilty to some degree of letting our personal taste factor in as to whether we'd induct a group or not. Just like the other "great songs" that you whine will never be played on commercial radio...that too is just your personal opinion of whether it's a great song.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 09.22.12 @ 10:55am


I doubt the nominees will be announced on the weekend, so we'll probably have to wait till Monday or Tuesday.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 09.22.12 @ 11:22am


yes, but even if kiss gets a nomination again, will dave marsh and his buddies induct them again? possibly not? deep purple is most likely going to get a nomination and possible induction instead of kiss. and ur right, the nominations will probably be announced on tuesday hopefully

Posted by chris on Saturday, 09.22.12 @ 14:20pm


In terms of Hard Rock (includes Heavy Metal, Punk, Grunge, etc), here is the order in which I want to see the following bands get inducted:

- Deep Purple
- MC5
- KISS
- Rush
- Judas Priest
- Cheap Trick
- Iron Maiden
- Soundgarden
- Motorhead
- Def Leppard
- Thin Lizzy
- Steppenwolf
- Jane's Addiction
- The Dead Kennedy's
- Black Flag
- Ozzy Osbourne
- Slayer
- Faith No More
- Motley Crue
- Pantera
- Megadeth
- Bad Brains
- Anthrax

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 09.22.12 @ 17:00pm


"And I admitted my beef with "Cowboys To Girls" was personal... you don't need to preach at me. But the song's harmonies are a bit on the shrill side, and the lead vocals reminds me a bit of Bobby Lewis, who I also don't care for. Because face it, all of us here on this site are guilty to some degree of letting our personal taste factor in as to whether we'd induct a group or not. Just like the other "great songs" that you whine will never be played on commercial radio...that too is just your personal opinion of whether it's a great song."

First of all,let's be clear: I don't whine . To you or anybody else. Second of all, Your personal taste is your personal taste. I've got no problem with that . Just don't trash others' "personal tastes" or favorites just because they may not be the same as yours. Third of all, How can anybody with any measure of decent hearing say that "Little Sonny " Brown of the Intruders sounds like Bobby Lewis? The two sound nothing alike at all. Sonny has a higher, somewhat nasal vocal delivery. Bobby Lewis has a deep baritone voice...not at all similar.

I dare anybody on this site to play "Tossing and Turning" and then play "Cowboys to Girls, "Together", "I'll Always Love My Mama" or any other Intruders hit...and say that the lead voices sound similar. I think you'll get a big "No".

About James Brown:
First , you say that his early songs with The Famous Flames were not that great,that only a few were definitive...and that because of that they only deserved induction as "sidemen", then you say that his later post-Famous Flames songs all sounded alike.
...Are you implying that THEY weren't "definitive" either?
What statement did I make about James Brown ? Did you even HEAR IT? or are you just trying to find a point to argue about ?

I said that Oldies commercial radio will take just a few of an artist's songs...and play those over and over again. And they do....as if those songs were the only ones that artist recorded in their career.
Then you come totally out of left field ...and say "Bill--I wouldn't use James Brown as a case in point... sorry, but a lot of his post-Famous Flames stuff sounds the same. Between Popcorn, Ants In My Pants, etc. It's great funky stuff, but it doesn't offer a lot of variety of sound."

What does THAT got to do with what I just said? NOTHING. I was talking about which of his songs got played. Nothing about "variety of sound" or anything else remotely similar.Are you implying that justifies the DJ's not playing it? JUST WHAT ARE YOU SAYING ?
So...if to YOU, His songs with The Flames were not that great, and his post Famous Flames material all sounds alike....just WHAT are you saying about the career of James Brown ?
Do you have a valid point ? Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing ?

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 09.22.12 @ 19:04pm


This is from Wikipedia ( and no...I DIDN'T put it there):

"The Intruders were an American soul music group most popular in the 1960s and 1970s.[1] As one of the first groups to have hit songs under the direction of Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff, they had a major influence on the development of Philadelphia soul."

This statement about the Intruders is true.They were Gamble and Huff's first group.

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 09.22.12 @ 19:26pm


http://www.gamble-huffmusic.com/tsopradio/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49:new-order&catid=34:dance&Itemid=54

This next statement is from Gamble and Huff's OWN SITE:

The Intruders

"As the first group to score hits with the songwriting/production team of Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff, the Intruders played a major role in the rise of Philadelphia soul, but are sometimes lost in the shuffle amid better-known acts like the O'Jays or Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes. The Intruders were originally formed as a doo wop group in 1960, and sang around Philadelphia for several years. Lead singer Sam "Little Sonny" Brown, Eugene "Bird" Daughtry, Phil Terry, and Robert "Big Sonny" Edwards signed with Gamble and Huff's fledgling Gamble label in 1966. They scored a Top 20 R&B hit that year with "(We'll Be) United," and followed it up a year later with "Together," as well as their first album, The Intruders Are Together. 1968, though, was the Intruders' breakthrough year: "Cowboys to Girls," a template for what would become Philly soul's trademark sound, topped the R&B charts and climbed to number six on the pop side, giving the group their biggest hit. The follow-up, "(Love Is Like A) Baseball Game," was their only other Top 40 pop hit, and the accompanying LP, Cowboys to Girls, wound up their most popular.

Gamble and Huff's success with the Intruders helped convince Columbia to grant them the money to launch Philadelphia International, which became the most successful soul label of the early '70s."

This next statement is from The Miracles' site:

"The Miracles the very first group to sign to Motown records, continue to keep the Motown sound alive by performing songs, such as: “Shop Around”, “I Second That Emotion”, “Tears Of A Clown”, “Love Machine”, “You’ve Really Got A Hold On Me”, “The Tracks Of My Tears” , “Ooh Baby Baby” and many more. Their performances at the Nassau Coliseum, the Inaugural Gala in Washington, D.C. and the 4th of July celebration at Duke University with over 60,000 fans in attendance, was simply unbelievable.

In 1956, Bobby Rogers, Smokey Robinson, Claudette Robinson, Ronnie White and Pete Moore, childhood friends became The Miracles, and embarked on a career that would surpass their wildest dreams. Berry Gordy Motown’s founder recorded and released “Shop Around” a number one smash on all the charts, establishing The Miracles and giving Motown their first gold seller, this was the beginning of the record company and the group success for many years to come. The Miracles and Motown Records became known throughout the entire world."

In THIS respect, The Intruders and The Miracles are similar. They were both the FIRST GROUPS of their respective companies...Just as The Miracles' success put Berry Gordy and Motown on the map...The Intruders were Gamble and Huff's first group...and THEIR success put Gamble and Huff and THEIR record company on the map. In THAT respect, the two groups were similar. I made no other claims about The Intruders.
Did I say that they made it as big as The Miracles ? No. Did I say that they were as important in Rock and Roll History ? No. Did I make any other inaccurate claims about them? No. I only said that they were the first groups of their respective companies....and the success of each put their respective labels on the map.

So you tell me ....just HOW is my comparision to The Miracles flawed?

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 09.22.12 @ 19:47pm


Wow did I touch a nerve or two.

Personal tastes--We all bag on each other's personal tastes. It's what we do here. Sorry you haven't noticed that, but we do it more than we'd care to admit.

James Brown--you were incoherent there. I'm not sure what you were trying to say. Those songs that I mentioned that sounded alike... my point was they don't offer a lot of musical variety. You play Popcorn one hour and then another one of his late 60's or early 70's records in the next hour, and you'll get callers wondering why you're playing the same record so soon again.

It's hard to describe what the similarity between Lewis and the Intruders' lead singer's voice is. It's not range, but I don't think the latter is all that nasal either. But it's that kind of timbre or tone color you kind of hear in the back of the voice, if that makes any sense... it's really hard to describe.

And you actually pointed out why the analogy is flawed: scale, or longevity. The Miracles were much bigger, lasted much longer, and they're music has stood the test of time that makes the Intruders pale by comparison. The "first group" commonality is not sufficient grounds to call the Intruders comparable to the Miracles.

And again, admittedly knowing only "Cowboys To Girls", it sounds like the Intruders were the rough draft for Gamble & Huff, before they really got it right with groups like the O'Jays and Harold Melvin And The Blue Notes. Again, maybe I need to hear other songs by them, but I hate "Cowboys To Girls" so much, I have no desire to listen to anything else by them.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09.23.12 @ 01:00am


The Miracles are my favorite group of all time. Anyone that has blogged on this site for the last several years KNOWS THAT. In my view, there are few , if any groups that can match them. That's MY "personal opinion".

I was the one taking up for them on this site while several others here were saying "Smokey's inducted...so who CARES about the rest".

I was the one who revamped their main article in Wikipedia...while no one else there even bothered to view them as a priority...doing six years of painstaking research into their origins and numerous accomplishments...and backed up EVERYTHING I added with references. Most of the info that people on this site currently know about The Miracles came as a result of my research.
Not only THAT, but I was the one who pushed for , and got, sites on FRL for THE MIRACLES, THE FAMOUS FLAMES, and THE MIDNIGHTERS IN THE FIRST PLACE...while many here looked upon all 3 groups as "dead issues" because their lead singers were already inducted.But, it paid off...because this year, all 3 groups got in.

When I first started the Wikipedia project on the Miracles back in 2006...there were only seven (7) articles on Miracles songs listed...just seven...from a group with over 50 chart hits...because the Miracles weren't viewed as a priority there. In fact , there were more song articles there on Martha & The Vandellas !!! So , I started writing . Today , there are articles on 53 Miracles songs on Wikipedia...the majority of which were written my me.
Once they finally got inducted ,The Miracles suddenly became a hot priority...and everybody there wanted to get into the act...including someone who completely changed my work on their main article...removing many important facts on their career...like their Grammy Hall of Fame inducted songs...a list of Motown Hits they wrote for others ... labeling them a "Band" (totally inaccurate) and other inaccuracies (I'm not talking about EVERYONE in Wikipedia. Some editors there, such as "Discographer","Halls4521" "Leahtwosaints" and others, were VERY kind and helpful in smoothing out the rough edges on my articles...but they didn't completely wipe out my info and research ...as was just recently done this past week. My point that I'm trying to make is this:
The Miracles have been my favorite group since I was seven years old....many many years ago. Nobody here can tell me about the Miracles....I know more about them that probably anyone on this site. Just because I drew ONE (and ONLY ONE) comparison of them with The Intruders , that BOTH GROUPS were the FIRST groups for their respective labels...don't come out of left field , and insinuate that I drew OTHER comparisons between the two.I didn't. YOU DID.

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 09.23.12 @ 02:42am


I think it is safe to say, that without Bill G, there would be no Miracles.

Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 09.23.12 @ 10:06am


Hey, I've always believed in Miracles... in fact, I wanted them to go through the whole nomination process and give Smokey a second induction. I've no beef with them. Although I like Martha And The Vandellas a whole lot more.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09.23.12 @ 12:37pm


"I think it is safe to say, that without Bill G, there would be no Miracles."

Posted by Dezmond.

I think it's even safer to say, that without BOBBY ROGERS, PETE MOORE, SMOKEY ROBINSON, MARV TARPLIN, CLAUDETTE ROBINSON, and RONNIE WHITE, there would be no Miracles.

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 09.23.12 @ 15:42pm


Hello Heart should have already be in there 10 years ago. They are Rock&Roll. Jan Werner has something against women. Usually one woman gets in every year and most the time they have passed away. So I'm sure it will be Whitney Houston or Donna Summer. Yeah lets wait until they die to induct them jackass. Also no one knows if they are going by the votes Jan has the final say. Kind of rigged to me.

Posted by Kathy Hulen on Sunday, 09.23.12 @ 16:57pm


r the nominees going to be announced today? lets go, people. get wit the program!!!

Posted by chris on Monday, 09.24.12 @ 11:22am


1. Donna Summer
2. Public Enemy
3. N.W.A.
4. Kiss
5. Whitney Houston
6. Stevie Ray Vaughan
7. The Cure
8. Burt Bacharach / Hal David / Dionne Warwick
9. Warren Zevon
10. The Monkees

Posted by Jason on Monday, 09.24.12 @ 17:15pm


1. Ringo Starr
2. The Doobie Brothers
3. Three Dog Night
4. Joe Cocker
5. The Spinners
6. Steppenwolf
7. Bad Company
8. Steve Miller Band
9. Chicago
10. The Guess Who

Posted by Bob J. on Monday, 09.24.12 @ 18:35pm


Is today the day?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.25.12 @ 07:45am


Doesn't seem likely at this point...

Posted by FRL on Tuesday, 09.25.12 @ 09:16am


Realistically or not, here's what I'd like to see:
1. Rush
2. Public Enemy
3. Deep Purple
4. Stevie Ray Vaughan
5. Peter Gabriel
6. NWA
7. Kiss
8. Joe Cocker
9. Steve Miller Band
10. Moody Blues, Jethro Tull, ELP, ELO, Doobie Brothers, The E Street Band, Warren Zevon, Heart, The Cure, The Smiths, Soundgarden, Squeeze, Judas Priest, J.Geils Band, Cheap Trick, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, King Crimson, et. al.

Posted by Dan on Tuesday, 09.25.12 @ 10:11am


Sorry, I can't believe I forgot Yes. Seriously, how is Yes not already in?

Posted by Dan on Tuesday, 09.25.12 @ 10:20am


well, lets go already. just announce the nominees. wuts taking so long?

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 09.25.12 @ 10:40am


Afrika Bambaataa
Captain Beefheart/Magic Band
The Fugs
Hüsker Dü
MC5
New York Dolls
Public Enemy
Roxy Music
The Smiths
Sonic Youth

...and Lee Perry (in some capacity)

Any and/or all of these would be great.

Posted by Chalkie on Tuesday, 09.25.12 @ 11:37am


Here are the dates when the Rock Hall nominees have been announced previously:
Tuesday, 9/27/2011
Tuesday, 9/28/2010
Tuesday, 9/22/2009
Monday, 9/22/2008
Thursday, 9/27/2007
Saturday, 10/28/2006

Posted by FRL on Tuesday, 09.25.12 @ 11:40am


And a long shot: Fela Kuti in the Hall would be great.

Posted by Chalkie on Tuesday, 09.25.12 @ 11:43am


Odd. Sometime within the last month, the @Rock_Hall has changed the number of inductees listed on their site from 685 to 701. Any idea why? 1 day ago

Maybe they will be making more addendums this year. Inducting more members of R&B groups and Rock bands who were inducted earlier, but not with all their members.

685 to 701? That's 16 more inductees!

Or maybe they didn't count right in the beginning and 685 was the wrong number.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.25.12 @ 15:06pm


well then it should be either today or tomorrow then to announce the nominees

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 09.25.12 @ 16:46pm


Why hasn't anyone leaked anything yet? Like Tom Lane.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.25.12 @ 18:19pm


I'm thinking it has to be tomorrow right?

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 09.26.12 @ 11:19am


Heart! And if they get in, the Wilson sisters should acknowledge that Roger Fisher, mike D, Steve F and Howard L helped get them there! Reunion time!

Posted by Sotto on Wednesday, 09.26.12 @ 18:17pm


If they aren't announced tomorrow, we'll probably have to wait until next Tuesday.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 09.26.12 @ 18:23pm


It was already established last year that Heart (the whole band) was nominated, not just Ann and Nancy. Read the press release. Howard Leese, Roger Fisher, Steve Fossen, and Michael DeRosier were all mentioned. Check Heart's page for a link to a radio interview with Roger Fisher about his nomination.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.26.12 @ 20:35pm


Ben E. King
Mary Wells
Jethro Tull
T. Rex
Randy Newman
Lou Reed (solo)
J. Geils Band
Donna Summer
Peter Tosh
Chic
The Cure
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Janet Jackson
Eric B. & Rakim
Public Enemy

Posted by Sounder 93 on Wednesday, 09.26.12 @ 22:10pm


Just a factual correction on The Intruders. They made the pop Top 40 again in 1973 with "I'll Always Love My Mama".

Posted by Sounder 93 on Wednesday, 09.26.12 @ 22:25pm


I notice they always announce nominations at the final week of September. I'm guessing they'll announce it either tomorrow or Friday at the latest but it's possible we still could get an announcement next week but I think they want to stop people from leaking information like they've done the last three years.

Posted by Tim on Thursday, 09.27.12 @ 01:58am


The wait is killing me. Come on RNRHOF!!!! Get on the ball!!!!

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 09.27.12 @ 06:33am


http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/the-beat-goes-on/posts/the-next-10-acts-who-should-go-into-the-rock-roll-hall-of-fame

From HIT FIX

The next 10 acts who should go into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

By Melinda Newman MONDAY, APR 16, 2012 8:46 PM

*Chic: They will always be debate on this one between the folks who just can’t get their head around that Chic was much more than a disco act. They melded all different types of music in innovative and creative ways. “Clams on the half shell and roller skates” for all.

*Hall & Oates: The most successful pop/rock duo of all time, whose songs have aged even better than Daryl and John. Well, except for “Man Eater.”

*Heart: If they had testicles, they would have been in the first year they were eligible. Having said that, Ann and Nancy Wilson have more balls than 99% of the rockers out there. Ann’s voice hasn’t diminished a bit--it can still peel the paint from the walls.

*Judas Priest: It seems impossible that they aren’t in yet. Like prog rock, heavy metal has also been slighted. Otherwise (and we know they’re all different shades of metal) Deep Purple and Iron Maiden would already be in as well.

*KISS: No one thinks they should be in as much as Gene Simmons, but there’s no denying when you look at their influence, contributions to rock, and longevity that KISS deserves to be in. No question.

*The Monkees: Scream all you want, they deserve it There are plenty of acts in the Rock Hall, including many of the acts produced by Phil Spector, who didn’t produce or write their own material but who were pivotal figures who deserve inclusion. The outpouring of grief over Davy Jones’ death from “legitimate” music critics only proved the point.

*The Runaways: Joan Jett should be in period, whether it’s as a member of this seminal, pioneering female rock group or as a member of Joan Jett and the Blackhearts (as she was presented on the ballot this go round) or just as Joan Jett. Just get her in.

*Todd Rundgren: As true a rock innovator as anyone who has ever come along. If we can’t get him in as an artist, what about as a groundbreaking producer?

*Rush: This Canadian power trio is, to many fans, the Rock Hall’s most obscenely glaring omission, although the Hall has shown a shocking lack of respect for any act that even remotely borders on prog rock, so Geddy, Neil, and Alex certainly have company.

*Stevie Ray Vaughan: Have the voting members heard him play? Think of every word you would use to describe rock and roll and you’d use it to describe Vaughan’s fire, virtuosity and passion.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 09.27.12 @ 07:18am


Yeah, they seem to be giving no signs so far of announcing. Usually by this time, a little teaser could be seen at the top of the rock hall site of when they'll make the announcements. This year, nada. Nothing on their facebook or twitter pages as well.

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 09.27.12 @ 07:32am


You want my guess as to what's going on? I bet you there is a dispute going on the committee about who exactly should be on the nomination list. Just a hunch.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 09.27.12 @ 08:06am


LOL, just this morning, their Facebook page actually posted the picture with the title: "be the first to know the nominees for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" lmao they're making sure nothing gets leaked!

Posted by Tim on Thursday, 09.27.12 @ 10:48am


https://www.facebook.com/rockandrollhalloffame

They also posted a photo of Green Day performing at the 2012 Ceremony here:
https://www.facebook.com/rockandrollhalloffame/app_364041783617057

"ROCK ON! Stay tuned... we'll announce the 2013 Nominees soon!"

Are they teasing a more rock oriented ballot? Probably not, but we'll watch for it.

Posted by FRL on Thursday, 09.27.12 @ 10:58am


well whatever it is, they better announce it soon

Posted by chris on Thursday, 09.27.12 @ 11:46am


"You want my guess as to what's going on? I bet you there is a dispute going on the committee about who exactly should be on the nomination list. Just a hunch."

I just had this terrifying image in my head of Little Steven trying to argue that Herman's Hermits should be on the ballot instead of Public Enemy this year.

Thank god for younger members.

Posted by Jim on Thursday, 09.27.12 @ 17:20pm


Jim, if what you hypothesized is even Remotely possible; I suppose we at Future Rock Legends should thus consider ourselves more legitimate than the actual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Herman's Hermits, despite probable backing from Little Steven Van Zandt and other 60s historians, were in fact not influential. I am sorry to say this to fans; yet we know it to be true.

In any respect, I concur with Gassman's hypothesis. By now, if a finalist list was already decided upon, the NomCom would have announced the ballot. As it is now, we may be getting a press release of some sort to present a ballot that guarenteed will not please anyone. To reiterate, here are the artists I believe will be inducted as Performers for the Class of 2013.

Peter Gabriel
Donna Summer
Public Enemy
The Pixies
Deep Purple
Gram Parsons
Kraftwerk

And here is who will be inducted in a later time, just not this year.

Whitney Houston
Yes
The Monkees
Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
The Cure
Soundgarden
Randy Newman
Mary Wells
The Spinners

I still am not sure who will fill out the remaining categories. Although I would not be surprised to see Giorgio Moroder be inducted as a Non-Performer in the likelihood of a Donna Summer induction. I am pretty certain this ballot I presented is the most logical and needed ballot to please a great deal of people. Plus, the sooner the RRHOF can present their finalists ballot; the sooner we can commence the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2028. Perhaps even include 2029 and the years to follow as well.

Hoping for the best, yet expecting the passable:(,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Thursday, 09.27.12 @ 18:03pm


Might as well give my predictions:

Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Chic
War
Whitney Houston
Kiss
Heart
The Pixies
Stevie Ray Vaughn
ELO
The Marvalettes
NWA

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 09.28.12 @ 07:45am


Predictions in order of how likely they are to actually be nominated:
1. Public Enemy
2. Donna Summer
3. Heart
4. The Spinners
5. War
6. Joy Division/New Order (jointly)
7. LL Cool J
8. Deep Purple
9. Kraftwerk
10. The Cars
11. Yes
12. Bill Withers
13. The Marvelettes
14. Carly Simon
15. (completely out-of-left-field obscure artist that no one predicted)

Posted by A-Killa on Friday, 09.28.12 @ 11:00am


so it looks like it won't be today to announce the nominees, probably next tuesday i guess

Posted by chris on Friday, 09.28.12 @ 11:45am


I wouldn't be surprised about Little Steven, he has some strong '60s bias or something. He'd probably scream out how Herman's Hermits ruled the Beatles that one year LOL

Posted by Tim on Friday, 09.28.12 @ 11:52am


Motown is already WELL represented in the Hall of Fame....(but it took them FAR too long for them to honor Motown's First Group....The Miracles).

But, there are STILL deserving Motown artists who have YET to be enshrined.

1)Mary Wells.

2)The Marvelettes.

3)Junior Walker & The All-Stars.

4) The Commodores.

5) The Funk Brothers.

6) Norman Whitfield and Barrett Strong.

A case could also be made for:

7)Hank Cosby and Sylvia Moy (writers for Stevie Wonder).

8) Frank Wilson (wrote many Motown Hits for The Miracles,(whole lot of Shaking) The Temptations,(the Top 10 hit "All I Need") Marvin Gaye,(Chained), The Supremes (the smashes "Love Child", I'm Livin In Shame,"Up The Ladder To The Roof",and "Stoned Love"), and songs by The Marvelettes, Brenda Holloway,(he co-wrote her hit "You've Made Me So Very Happy" (later covered by Blood,Sweat, & Tears),The Four Tops smash "Still Water" (co-written with Smokey), former Temptation Eddie Kendricks' #1 smash, "Keep On Trucking" ,and his Top 10 "Boogie Down",and many more.

Frank Wilson just died yesterday. R.I.P., Frank.

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 09.28.12 @ 15:07pm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Wilson_(musician)

Here is a list of songs written for Motown and Non- Motown Artists by Frank Wilson:

963: "Stevie" - Patrice Holloway
1965: "Castles In the Sand" - Stevie Wonder[2]
1965: "Somebody Else Somewhere Needs Me" - Tina Turner[2]
1965: "I'm So Thankful" - Ikettes[2]
1965: "Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) - Frank Wilson
1966: "Do I Love You (Indeed I Do)" - Chris Clark
1966: "Whole Lot Of Shakin' In My Heart (Since I Met You)" - The Miracles[2]
1966: "It's Easy to Fall in Love With a Guy Like You" - Martha Reeves & the Vandellas
1966: "McArthur Park" - Four Tops
1967: "You've Made Me So Very Happy" - Brenda Holloway, later covered by Blood, Sweat & Tears[2]
1967: "All I Need" - The Temptations[2]
1967: "I Can't Turn Around" - The Marvelettes[2]
1968: "All Because I Love You" - The Isley Brothers
1967: "Chained" - Marvin Gaye[2]
1967: "Every Now and Then" - Marvin Gaye
1967: "Temptations in a Mellow Mood" - The Temptations
1968: "Love Child" - Diana Ross & the Supremes[2]
1969: "Diana Ross and the Supremes Join the Temptations" - Diana Ross & the Supremes & the Temptations
1969: "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me" - Diana Ross & the Supremes and The Temptations
1969: "I'm Livin' in Shame" - Diana Ross & the Supremes[2]
1970: "Up the Ladder to the Roof" - The Supremes[2]
1970: "Everybody's Got The Right To Love" - The Supremes
1970: "Still Water (Love)" - Four Tops[2]
1970: "Stoned Love" - The Supremes[2]
1970: "It's Time to Break Down" - The Supremes
1970: "Bridge Over Troubled Water" - The Supremes
1971: "It's the Way Nature Planned It" - Four Tops[2]
1971: "Nathan Jones" - The Supremes
1971: "Touch" - The Supremes (Mary Wilson shared vocals with lead singer Jean Terrell)
1971: "This Is The Story" - The Supremes
1971: "Here Comes The Sunrise" - (The Supremes - Written by Clifton Davis)
1971: "Can I" - Eddie Kendricks
1971: "If You Let Me" - Eddie Kendricks
1972: "Girl You Need A Change of Mind"- Eddie Kendricks
1973: "Love Train" - The Supremes
1973: "Come Back Home" - Eddie Kendricks
1973: "Keep on Truckin'" - Eddie Kendricks[2]
1974: "Boogie Down" - Eddie Kendricks[2]
1975: "Going Down to Lovetown" - The Originals
1977: "If I Didn't Have You" - Lakeside
1977: "I'll Be There Knocking" - Lakeside
1977: "It Must Be Love" - Alton McClain & Destiny
1978: "Anatole" - Frank Wilson
1977: "Deeper" - New Birth
1977: "Choosing You" - Lenny Williams
1977: "Love Magnet" - Freda Payne
1978: "Cause I Love You" - Lenny Williams
1978: "Stare & Whisper" - Renee Geyer
1978: "Be There in the Morning" - Renee Geyer
1978: "You Got Me Running" - Lenny Williams
1978: "When I'm Dancing" - Lenny Williams
1977: The Two of Us - Marilyn McCoo & Billy Davis, Jr.
1994: Motown Comes Home - Various Artists
2002: "Lights, Action, Camera" - Mr. Cheeks
2006: "Each Day Gets Better" - John Legend

A GREAT Motown writing and producing talent that didn't get the accolades of Smokey & The Miracles or Holland-Dozier-Holland, but still wrote many of Motown's BIGGEST HITS. Frank should be inducted. Read his Wikipedia bio at the above link.

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 09.28.12 @ 15:13pm


Bridge Over Trouled Water was written by Paul Simon.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 09.28.12 @ 15:56pm


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19757439

*****FRANK WILSON-1940-2012*****

MOTOWN SONGWRITER and PRODUCER

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 09.28.12 @ 16:08pm


Hall and Otes had many hits, but to keep calling them the greatest duo's ever is silly. Just because that is how they classify their band is ridiculous. How many duo's are there?

Posted by Dubes on Friday, 09.28.12 @ 17:38pm


Actually, Dubes, there was a study on the greatest duos conducted by Oxford University. Loggins & Messina came out on top.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 09.28.12 @ 20:51pm


I can argue that Sam & Dave were an even BETTER duo than Hall & Oates (though I dig them too).

Posted by Tim on Friday, 09.28.12 @ 21:30pm


I'd say Simon and Garfunkel were also a better duo.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 00:32am


I won't argue with that either. Great duo they were...

Posted by Tim on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 10:44am


so i guess the nominations wont be announced today either, well theres always monday or tuesday

Posted by chris on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 11:32am


Most likely tuesday, 10/2.

Posted by Mike on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 11:38am


I'd also argue Ike & Tina Turner, Everly Brothers,
Steely Dan, and White Stripes are all better duos.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 13:02pm


Josh, if you are looking for duos better than Hall & Oates- for those not yet mentioned, how about the Righteous Brothers, Eric B. & Rakim, Outkast and the Carpenters?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 13:30pm


And let's not forget the brothers Mael, Ron and Russell, better known as Sparks!

Posted by classicrocker on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 14:15pm


Sparks are not a duo, they're a trio!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 14:52pm


Erasure counts as a due. I am just saying.

Posted by Brian on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 17:33pm


it better be tuesday october 2nd

Posted by chris on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 18:07pm


Is there any support for Rush? Does anyone like them?

Posted by Dubes on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 18:08pm


Yes, I like Rush and would support their induction, however I don't think that they're the biggest snub out there as some do. They'd fall somewhere in the lower teens or upper 20s on my snub list. Still, I'd be happy to see them inducted at any point.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 18:26pm


Tahvo, you're right, all of those duos are better than Hall & Oates!

Also, while I do not like Rush at all, they should be in the Rock Hall. I don't think they are the biggest snub, or even in the top 10 snubs, but its silly they aren't in.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 18:42pm


I'm not a Rush fan, either. But they definitely deserve to be in.

Posted by Mike on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 19:06pm


http://rockhall.com/inductees/nominees/donna-summer/

That's an example of a nominee page from last year and you can currently see the other ones as well. If you dick around on

http://rockhall.com/inductees/nominees/

in the near future, we might get an early peek.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 09.30.12 @ 01:08am


This will be the second time nominations are announced on October. Hope nothing's holding it up like it's alleged lol

Posted by Tim on Sunday, 09.30.12 @ 02:24am


I'd probably put Rush from 10-15 on snubs, and they are definitely deserving.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 09.30.12 @ 06:14am


Snub List - Just 15

1. The Funk Brothers
2. Link Wray
3. Deep Purple
4. T-Rex
5. The Monkees
6. The Cars
7. Chicago
8. Rush
9. Dick Dale
10. Hall & Oates
11. War
12. Chubby Checker
13. Heart
14. The Spinners
15. Yes

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 09.30.12 @ 06:28am


Hey Cheesecrop, I think you've forgotten MC5, New York Dolls, and Gram Parsons.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Sunday, 09.30.12 @ 13:57pm


Hey Cheesecrop, I think you've forgotten MC5, New York Dolls, and Gram Parsons.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Sunday, 09.30.12 @ 13:57pm
--------------------------------------------------
Indeed. I'v probably missed a lot more. I was winging some of it off the top of my head.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 09.30.12 @ 19:24pm


My finalized picks for the nominees, realistically speaking. This is with the assumption they'll have 15.

The Cars
Patsy Cline
The Commodores
The Cure
Nick Drake
Heart
Jane's Addiction
Kiss
Kraftwerk
NWA
Public Enemy
Roxy Music
Rush
Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels
The Shangri-La's
Donna Summer

Thanks everyone for the ideas!

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 09.30.12 @ 21:41pm


Feel free to throw a few e-bricks at me, but...

Nominee wish list:

Pat Benatar: No woman, with the possible exception of Madonna, had more followers and more people try to copy her look (Joan Jett in the Blackheart era, Lita Ford, etc.).

Cheap Trick: More credit than I thought for starting the punk-rock era.

Deep Purple: How many young guitarists' first riff was "Smoke on the Water"? Even Pat Boone covered it! Talk about influence!

Dire Straits: Not the first to usher in the MTV era, but probably the most representative of it.

Daryl Hall and John Oates: What group was more successful--or better--at blue-eyed soul?

Heart: Women could perform hard rock too!

Journey: I know I will take a lot of flak for this one, but face it: "corporate rock" was a part of rock and roll history. And if they can engineer a reunion with Steve Perry, it is guaranteed to sell tickets.

Kiss: For much the same (second) reason as Journey: a Stanley/Frehley/Simmons/Criss reunion would sell tickets.

The Moody Blues: One person stated that this is the most successful 60s group not yet inducted. If that is true, their induction is probably overdue.

Public Enemy: Not really a fan, but the support among those who are makes them almost inevitable.

Rush: For their popular support alone. It would be great to have a country other than America and England represented.

Ringo Starr: The last Beatle (excluding Pete Best and Stuart Sutcliffe) to not be nominated as a soloist. Probably the second most prolific former Beatle in their post-Beatles career.

Donna Summer: Unfortunately, this couldn't be done in her lifetime.

Stevie Ray Vaughn: Unfortunately, living proof that posthumos inductions are not inevitable. Seriously overdue.

Sidemen: The E Street Band and the Funk Brothers (as a group or individually for the ones not yet inducted).

Non-performers: Casey Kasem (the man who taught all of us to count from 40 backward!) and Annie Leibowitz (sp?) (possibly the most influential rock and roll photographer).



Posted by Joe on Sunday, 09.30.12 @ 23:35pm


October has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 05:59am


My prediction:

IN
Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Heart
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Chic
KISS
NWA
The Cure

As the next few years pass, the older genre-setters will get consideration, but will need to wade through the grunge explosion and the emergence of rap/hip-hop. And, if it matters, what about TLC for a future consideration? Salt-N-Pepa are the first hip-hop females to dominate, but TLC rocked the pop world throughout the 90's.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 06:00am


Maybe they will nominate 20 and induct 10 this time, like they've done in the past.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 07:04am


http://voices.yahoo.com/six-80s-acts-deserve-2013-rr-hall-fame-consideration-11682994.html?cat=33

Six 80s Acts that Deserve 2013 R&R Hall of Fame Consideration

Duran Duran
Cheap Trick
Daniel Ash
B-52s
Billy Idol
Frankie Goes to Hollywood

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 08:50am


Is today the day?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 09:54am


Joe, the only other countries besides USA & England that are represented in the HOF (that I can think of) are Canada (Neil Young) and Australia (AC/DC). I know there's probably more but these fall on the top of my head....

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 11:05am


Don't get me wrong, Canada should be more represented than it should. The Guess Who are mostly credited for putting it on the map, even though Neil Young came after them, and he's been in the HOF since '94! Rush? All the way, without question. Bryan Adams? Not so sure, before they start inducting soccer mom-rockers like John Mayer and Jason Mraz. Australia is the only other country that has brought us great bands as well like Midnight Oil and INXS.

And, of course, it would be very awesome to have a German act in there: (cough cough) Kraftwerk

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 11:10am


Jason, here are some others from the top of my head:

The Band, Leonard Cohen- Canada
U2- Ireland
ABBA- Sweden
Bob Marley, Jimmy Cliff- Jamaica

And yes, Kraftwerk for Germany is way overdue.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 11:13am


Oh yeah and Joni Mitchell- Canada

Any others?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 11:23am


CANADIANS IN THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. 1994 - Rick Danko (The Band)
02. 1994 - Garth Hudson (The Band)
03. 1994 - Richard Manuel (The Band)
04. 1994 - Robbie Robertson (The Band)
05. 1995 - Neil Young
06. 1997 - Neil Young (Buffalo Springfield)
07. 1997 - Bruce Palmer (Buffalo Springfield)
08. 1997 - Dewey Martin (Buffalo Springfield)
09. 1997 - Joni Mitchell
10. 1997 - Gene Cornish (The (Young) Rascals)
11. 1998 - Denny Doherty (The Mamas and the Papas)
12. 2000 - Zal Yanovsky (The Lovin' Spoonful)
13. 2008 - Leonard Cohen

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 11:39am


is today the day?

Posted by chris on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 11:43am


Thanks Roy, I forgot about Buffalo Springfield.

chris & Roy - doesn't look like it so far, unfortunately. They're really dragging it this year.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 11:56am


I've never seen the Rock Hall do an announcement on Monday or Friday. My guess would be sometime in the next three days.

Another hypothesis, just a random guess as for why there has been a delay, is that there was a dispute on the nominating committee as to who the 10-15 acts will be and it's currently being "worked out." Just a guess.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 12:47pm


Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday are when they usually announce it.

Posted by Tim on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 12:56pm


Carlos Santana was born in Mexico

Posted by bojanthebest on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 13:17pm


Going by country of birth, Eddie and Alex van Halen are both Dutch.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 13:45pm


well then it should be tomorrow then

Posted by chris on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 15:12pm


The real question is: How many bands have been inducted where the majority of their success was in a country other than the United States or Great Britain? I can't think of any off the top of my head.

And regarding Canada, I actually made a post regarding my thoughts in The Tragically Hip yesterday, so here it is:

This is a tough one. The users above seem to be saying "they only get played in Canada because of the Canadian Content rules." So? The point is, in Canada they are one of the biggest rock bands. Do they have a lot of appeal in the States? No, and that's what hurts them.

Considering the Rock Hall's track record when it comes to non-British or American acts, the rule is that they must have success internationally. Take a look at Canada's four performer representatives: Neil Young, The Band, Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen (there have been a few Canadians inducted with bands such as Denny Doherty of the Mamas and the Papas). There is definitely a lack of Canadian representation (off the top of my head, some of the top candidates are Rush, Heart (American members, but the band had its beginnings in Vancouver), Steppenwolf and The Guess Who).

So will The Tragically Hip ever get into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? No, most likely not. Do they deserve it? Well, if you only consider their popularity in Canada, yes. If you include their lack of recognition in the USA, no.

Do they belong in a Canadian Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Without a doubt.

Posted by Jacques on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 17:07pm


Regarding nationalities, there are a few individual band members originated in other countries.

Freddie Mercury was from India
Hillel Slovak was from Israel
Lars Ulrich is from Denmark

And so on and so forth.

Posted by Jimmy on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 17:13pm


Wow, didn't mean to go off-topic on this one. This is an interesting conversation, about where who/what band is from. Also, gotta correct myself that Neil Young was inducted in '95 (not '94).

I think the HOF has definitely something big up its sleeve, hence the fact they've waited this long to unleash their list of nominees. Perhaps plenty of surprises? Don't disappoint us, Mr. Wenner and crew!

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 17:24pm


30 Inductees that would restore (some of) the Rock Hall's credibility (mostly off the top of my head):

Afrika Bambaataa
Blue Cheer
Boogie Down Productions
Can
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band
The Cure
Deep Purple
Dinosaur Jr.
Nick Drake
Fairport Convention
The Fall
The Fugs
Hüsker Dü
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Fela Kuti
MC5
New York Dolls
Lee Perry
Pixies
The Pogues
Public Enemy
Roxy Music
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
The 13th Floor Elevators
Peter Tosh
Scott Walker
X
The Zombies

Posted by Chalkie on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 19:01pm


Oh shit: and Joy Division/New Order (normally I'd be against this but what the Hell, they did it with the Small Faces/Faces.

Posted by Chalkie on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 19:03pm


Six 80s Acts that Deserve 2013 R&R Hall of Fame Consideration

Duran Duran
Cheap Trick
Daniel Ash
B-52s
Billy Idol
Frankie Goes to Hollywood

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 08:50am

I saw this story a couple weeks ago and was really puzzled by the author advocating for Daniel Ash solo when neither Bauhaus nor Love and Rockets have been inducted. (Not to mention that Peter Murphy had a far more successful and significant solo career than Ash.)

Ash is one of my favorite guitarists (easily top 5 for me personally), and I enjoy his solo records, but I really don't see a case for him going in except as a member of one of his two primary bands.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 19:13pm


I think they are going to announce the nominees on the same day as the debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney-Wednesday, October 3. This means Chicago will be nominated!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 19:43pm


Tomorrow would make the most sense....new music day and don't have to deal with all the debate clutter. Either that or on Thursday.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 22:03pm


I just thought of something about what I wrote earlier: do they sometimes announce things on Wednesday? I know about Tuesday or Thursday but I don't recall Wednesday announcements.

Posted by Tim on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 23:22pm


Would Santana be considered from Mexico or America (specificly San Francisco)?

Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 00:35am


So will it be a 10 am or 2 pm announcement?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 10:20am


What's taking so long?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 11:07am


Maybe they'll surprise us and the random, left field pick this year will be Quentin Tarantino's favorite band, Edward Bear, or as he calls them, "The Beatles of Canada."

Doubt it, but still I'm surprised there hasn't been a leak or anything!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 11:45am


if it is not today, then it has to be tomorrow. i hate all this dragging along, just get on wit it already

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 11:53am


@Roy, they usually announce these things in the morning eastern daily time... but I don't know what's going on.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 12:05pm


Okay it's 2 pm. It's not happening today!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 14:19pm


SINGER-SONGWRITER: Jim Croce
MODERN: Soundgarden, Anthrax and Public Enemy
SOUL: Lou Rawls, Donna Summer, Kool and the Gang
CLASSIC ROCK: Heart
EARLY ROCK: Chubby Checker, Buddy Knox
INFLUENCE: Big Mama Thornton, Tommy Johnson

Posted by Lucario on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 14:24pm


lets go nomination commitee!!!

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 15:08pm


INFLUENCE: Big Mama Thornton, Tommy Johnson

Posted by Lucario on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 14:24pm

Tommy Johnson! Forgot about him! That's a name I may start nominating under the influence category in the Blind Ballot Hall starting next round.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 15:42pm


http://www.facebook.com/rockandrollhalloffame

The Rock Hall just posted on their facebook page that they will be announcing the nominees soon!

What does soon mean?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 15:44pm


Apparently not soon enough.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 15:50pm


It's 4 PM!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 16:00pm


Gee, what time is it now?

Posted by Paul on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 17:07pm


Dunno what that means. Possibly that they're going to announce it later (though 6 pm is cutting it fine, so more likely tomorrow).

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 17:53pm


So, the nominee pages for Donna Summer, Heart and Joan Jett & The Blackhearts are all missing as pointed out on this site's Twitter feed.

That leaves only two possibilities.

1) Those three artists are nominated this year.

or

2) Those artists are not nominated this year so they had their pages deleted. Therefore, the artists that were on the ballot last year, but didn't get it will simply have their page chance to say "Nominee for 2013 Induction"


By this logic, the ballot has either...

- Donna Summer, Heart and Joan Jett & The BlackHearts

or

- The Spinners, War, Rufus with Chaka Khan, Eric. B and Rakim, The Cure


Both are plausible. The odd stretches are Joan Jett and Rufus returning, but the rest of the names on each list make total sense given who is on the committee, etc.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 18:11pm


Also, why do they make it such a big deal to like their Facebook page when they just put the nominees up on the Rock Hall site at the same time? (Not to mention that media outlets will simply report the nominees once they see them on the Facebook page)

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 18:48pm


Quite possible Donna, Joan and Heart will be on this year's nominees list. Looks like the others are gonna have to wait for 2014 if that's the case.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 19:03pm


Just saw their Facebook "announcement" so I'm guessing "soon" is two days from now lol

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 19:16pm


Given the rise of EDM, I predict Kraftwerk will get a nomination again.

Posted by John Mutford on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 22:29pm


Yep. It looks like Donna Summer, Heart and Joan Jett & The Blackhearts are all back on the ballot and the only ones returning.

Earlier, their individual pages weren't working, but the links to them were still on this page:

http://rockhall.com/inductees/nominees/

Now, that page only lists 12 of last year's 15 nominees, it doesn't even link to those three artists.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 02:06am


So no Spinners, War or Cure in that case, huh? Disappointing. Hopefully if the Cure isn't nominated it'll mean Joy Division and/or New Order are. Doubt it, but it IS a possibility.

Since Public Enemy and N.W.A. are both likely going to be nominated I wasn't expecting Eric B. & Rakim to get nominated since they don't want to split the rap vote too much and they are perhaps banking on a PE induction, which is almost certain.

If The Spinners aren't nominated, I wonder who'll take the soul slot, Junior Walker? Mary Wells? The Marvelettes? (all Motown, but still).

Should be interesting to see who takes the mandatory British Invasion (Zombies? Spencer Davis Group?) and/or 60's (Love? The Monkees? The Turtles? The Moody Blues?) slot.

I've got my fingers crossed this'll be the year with the 2nd nomination for Kraftwerk.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 02:35am


I figured out the reasoning behind this. I think they simply have all of the pages for the nominees (Public Enemy, etc.) waiting to go on the server. However, they don't want people to be able to find them so they're currently labeled as something else. That would explain why the links to those three artists suddenly stopped working.

One wonders if the posts here (which led to people mentioning this "incident" on the Facebook page) led the webmasters to simply remove those links entirely from that 2012 Nominees page.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 02:54am


10 AM or 2 PM? When will they make the announcement?

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 09:14am


It's 10AM!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 10:01am


It's 11AM!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 11:09am


It's probably for the best that they haven't revealed the nominees yet, Roy. After all, when we find out that Herman's Hermits are on the ballot, we'll wish we hadn't even bothered acknowledging this institution.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 11:23am


Also, to everyone here, there's no information leading us to believe that today will actually be the day the nominees are revealed. There was obviously some background activity taking place on the Rock Hall website yesterday, but that doesn't really mean that today will be the day.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 11:25am


Wait a minute Roy, you said at was 11 AM when it was, in fact, 11:09 AM. Fail.

Posted by John on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 11:25am


It's 12PM!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 12:02pm


looks like they will annouce it tomorrow i guess

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 12:29pm


It's 1PM. They're still having lunch. I remember one year when they made the announcement at 2 PM.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 13:01pm


The Hall of Fame is sneaky... the only explanation I have for the removals of Donna, Jett and Heart were they would be 2013 nominees and nothing else. Can't be nothing wrong with the servers or anything as to why those three pages "suddenly stop working". That said, I think they may not announce it today. If Herman's Hermits do get nominated, we'll know who to blame for that and that person needs to just stick to being Bruce Springsteen's hype man/backing musician.

Posted by Tim on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 13:21pm


just as long as Kiss and Rush are not nominated. They can't deprive us of the annual gnashing of teeth from the respective fanbases.

Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 14:01pm


I agree, astro. It would feel like losing a friend if one of them were inducted.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 14:16pm


If Herman's Hermits do get nominated, we'll know who to blame for that and that person needs to just stick to being Bruce Springsteen's hype man/backing musician.

Posted by Tim on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 13:21pm

Agreed, but in fairness, he was great in "Lillyhammer"(even if you could tell that he was fantasizing about Herman's Hermits the whole time).

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 14:22pm


Oh no, what if both are nominated... then inducted!

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 14:33pm


It would definitely be odd if both were inducted... We'd need to find new posterbands for Rock Hall snubs. In 2006(?) they inducted three of the most notorious snubs (Black Sabbath, Sex Pistols, Lynyrd Skynyrd), so maybe they'll do this again sometime soon and while they're at it, start to represent Heavy Metal more.

But who am I kidding? Odds are they'll instead nominate a few of the usual suspects (Chic, J. Geils, etc.), three of four rappers, a mostly forgotten 60's group, a middle of the pack British Invasion group first and some 60's or 70s female singer that has a cult following, a couple choices that are completely out of left field (just to show us fans that the nominating committee has a more expansive knowledge of music than everyone else) and a newer band that will be nominated once, fail to get in, then never be nominated again.

Posted by Geddy on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 14:45pm


imo the hall are equa lto child molesters and murderers for not inducting kraftwerk but that's just me.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 15:10pm


again they have not announced it yet, so it looks like tomorrow or worst case maybe next tuesday october 9th. the thing is dragging way too long

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 15:28pm


The delay is probably to prevent our angry mob from taking over.

Posted by KissMyArmy on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 15:45pm


If yu do storm the hall and kill jann for crimes agaisnt rock, don't forget to charge him for snubbing Yes.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 15:53pm


I'm not being a jerk, but why should Yes be inducted? GFW, sell me on Yes. By the way, don't state album sales or longevity. I would like to know who they influenced.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 16:12pm


I don't care about longetivity and album sales are only one factor.

Influence? Well, It's hard to find anything on the internet it seems. i'd say that a great deal of prog rock bands that have followed since have been influenced by them, as yes were one of the most prominent acts of prog rock as well as one of the first. Sorry for not giving a better answer, but I couldn't find anything on the net.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 16:20pm


How about rock legends Uriah Heep, Jethro Tull, Golden Earring, and Pat Benatar.

Posted by charmedjannie on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 16:57pm


I don't know if there has been an abundance of prog rock bands since the mid-70s though. Prog Rock, to me at least, seems to be a genre of rock that had a high of, at most, 10 years. Other than Pink Floyd, Rush, and Genesis other Prog bands seemed to have been mostly forgotten over the years. I fail to see how "snubbing" Yes is any worse a crime than the snubbing of Big Star has been.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 17:02pm


Also, if a person can't express why a band should be in the Rock Hall other than "I like them" that band should probably not be in.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 17:04pm


Josh Treadway, progressive rock helped inspire progressive grunge bands like Tool, Mastodon and Dream Theater.

Also, don't forget the reverse: "if a person can't express why a band shouldn't be in the Rock Hall other than "I don't like them" or "I'm not familiar with them", that isn't a good reason to keep them out."

Posted by Paul on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 17:28pm


Slight typo there. I meant progressive metal, not "progressive grunge".

Posted by Paul on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 17:31pm


To everybody who's posting everyday about how ridiculous it is that the hall hasn't revealed the nominees yet, It'll happen, just give it time. If the selection process is going on for this long I do believe that there's a very serious debate going on between the "Springsteen crowd" (Little Steven/Landau/Marsh) who want to pretend that rock post-1981 doesn't exist (or at least didn't in the 80s) and anybody else who actually wants to admit that Glam Metal/Rap/Synthpop/80s alternative DID happen and since alot of this stuff is nearing the three decade mark, its time to recognize it before the 90s comes in with full force next year. Add in various other problems with overlooked nominees from previous decades (MC5/Deep Purple/Kraftwerk) and pet projects from certain members (J. Geils Band) and it's easy to see why things might be a little held up. Oddly enough, I think the newer members take their jobs alot more seriously than the older ones (who, as Cheesecrop stated, probably started the Hall out of spite for the 80s) and seeing as how the public seems to be paying alot more attention to the hall than say, ten years ago, the hall realizes that a majority of their choices are going to have to be alot more credible from now on. Even an idiot like Jann Wenner has to realize that maybe the benefits of trying to get personal friends like J. Geils Band probably probably don't outweigh the storm of criticism from leaving a band like Chicago or The Smiths out.

Honestly, outside of Donna Summer, I have no idea who's going to be nominated this year. And I kinda like that.

Posted by Jim on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 17:31pm


Paul, I'll give you progressive grunge as an offspring of prog, although I'm not sure how much influence Yes had on those groups. As, I've stated there are Prog bands that should be in but I think it is important for people to be realistic. Some bands, no matter how much you like them, should not go in.

Furthermore, I asked GFW to sell me on Yes, he couldn't do it. So, I did ask to be more informed on Yes. I'd still like to hear why they should be inducted.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 17:49pm


The Rock and Roll Hall of fame has SNUBBED to many Great Artist's. Singer's like Kiss, Three Dogs Night, Journey, The Osmonds Brother's. Yet you put Rap Artist in the ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME. It's not Hip Hop Hall of Fame they have that now. Maybe they need to Open a Pop Hall of Fame so Great Artist's can Honor too.

Posted by Carolyn on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 18:30pm


Carolyn, I'm sure you are joking when saying Three Dog Night, Journey and The Osmonds should be inducted before Run DMC, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, or Grandmaster Flash.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 18:32pm


Personally, I'm not sure why the committee is so hung up on making sure we know album sales (or popularity) is not a criteria. Why shouldn't it be? Sure, it shouldn't be the ONLY indicator, but it is, after all, a Hall of FAME. And, of course, don't forget that rock and roll is incredibly diverse and has many genres.

I think how the Hall treats certain genres can be answered with the following question: "If you asked a casual fan what they think are the five most famous groups from a certain genre, are those five groups in the Hall of Fame?" (And this applies to major genres and eras, not niche genres like Norwegian Black Metal, as great as it is).

So let's see here, I'm hardly a casual fan, but:

Progressive rock: Pink Floyd, Rush, Moody Blues, Yes, Genesis. How many are in? 2/5. (a casual fan might also include King Crimson, ELP, Jethro Tull, none of whom are in.)

Heavy metal: Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, KISS, Slayer. How many are in? 1/5.

Whereas with the British Invasion, just about every artist a casual/non fan could name is in. Perhaps it's time to put to genre to rest.

I also think that if a rock band/artist has permeated pop culture to the point where the majority of non-music fans have heard of them, they are worthy of getting in. That, after all, is an indicator of FAME, and this is a Hall of FAME. And I mean famous for music. Someone might say that would be a reason to put in Janet Jackson. My response is that she is most famous for 2 things: Being Michael Jackson's sister and flashing the Superbowl, neither of which have to do with her prowess as a musician.

Posted by Bryan on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 19:07pm


Bryan, the reason why album sales are the least important criteria for inductions is because it's the least important. Blood, Sweat, and Tears sold vastly more records than Velvet Underground or Stooges but one ultimately had little impact on Rock's history while the other two influenced countless bands of future generations. To quote either Brian Eno or Peter Buck: "the first Velvet Underground album only sold 10,000 copies, but everyone who bought it formed a band."

Posted by Josh Treadway on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 19:35pm


Jim, you said something interesting about the newer committee members. I don't remember how the committee was in the first few years but I imagine they announce nominees quicker. I can imagine the Rolling Stone reviewers (Marsh and Landau) and Little Steven are probably holding things up lol like I said why is Little Steven even in the committee? Guess Jann Wenner hired him lol

Posted by Tim on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 19:43pm


Josh Treadway, I did say "it shouldn't be the ONLY indicator, but it is, after all, a Hall of FAME." My point is that an argument often made here and by others is that "[insert band like KISS] shouldn't be considered only because they've sold millions of albums."

People say Laura Nyro belongs in because she was highly influential without selling many albums. Well, bands like Rush and Kiss and Deep Purple were highly influential AND they sold millions of albums.

Okay, a band that sold millions of albums like Baha Men shouldn't be considered just because of that, but why can't sales be used as one of the many factors? Instead, people here seem to use it to dismiss someone. (you yourself said "By the way, don't state album sales or longevity." when referring to yes.

Besides, certain sales statistcs should be taken into consideration. For example, Rush has had the third most consecutive gold or platinum studio albums by a rock band.

Numbers one and two? Herman's Hermits and Styx.

Okay, no, not really. No, Numbers one and two are THE BEATLES AND THE ROLLING STONES. People say it's hard to judge a music Hall of Fame because there aren't stats to judge them on like in sports. Well, there's a stat (and a pretty damn impressive one too that proves their longevity, staying power and ingenuity) that ranks them up there with two of the most renowned rock bands of all time.

But people like you would say it doesn't matter because sales don't count.

Posted by Bryan on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 20:05pm


Bryan, I don't completely discount sales, I just think they aren't very important. I do think Rush should be in the Hall but not because of their sales.

I think the longevity of sales is more important than how much is sold right away. The Kinks' Village Green album sold very poorly when first released, however over time it has became the Kinks' biggest selling album. That is because the album is fantastic and timeless. I think that is more impressive than an album selling a couple million copies within the first year of so of release and then putter out.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 20:16pm


I think how the Hall treats certain genres can be answered with the following question: "If you asked a casual fan what they think are the five most famous groups from a certain genre, are those five groups in the Hall of Fame?" (And this applies to major genres and eras, not niche genres like Norwegian Black Metal, as great as it is).

So let's see here, I'm hardly a casual fan, but:

Progressive rock: Pink Floyd, Rush, Moody Blues, Yes, Genesis. How many are in? 2/5. (a casual fan might also include King Crimson, ELP, Jethro Tull, none of whom are in.)

Heavy metal: Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, KISS, Slayer. How many are in? 1/5.

Whereas with the British Invasion, just about every artist a casual/non fan could name is in. Perhaps it's time to put to genre to rest.

I also think that if a rock band/artist has permeated pop culture to the point where the majority of non-music fans have heard of them, they are worthy of getting in. That, after all, is an indicator of FAME, and this is a Hall of FAME. And I mean famous for music. Someone might say that would be a reason to put in Janet Jackson. My response is that she is most famous for 2 things: Being Michael Jackson's sister and flashing the Superbowl, neither of which have to do with her prowess as a musician.

Posted by Bryan on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 19:07pm


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You forgot ELO as a casual fan would also have Electric Light Orchestra on your lists for progressive rock and FAME!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 21:36pm


Sales/commercial success plays little, if any, role in deciding who the nominees are (and, probably, the inductees). Some in the Hall have enjoyed great commercial success, but that's just icing.

I think for some acts, it's only a matter of time before they get in- question is, how long of a wait will they have? That's what makes first-year-eligible inductees all the more impressive. Usually those are the no-brainers, though.

Posted by JR on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 23:05pm


http://www.facebook.com/92.3KGONPortland/posts/417041021683763

According to 92.3 KGON's facebook post, this is the 2013 ballot (looks legit):
Rush, Deep Purple, Heart, Procol Harum, The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Randy Newman, Donna Summer, Chic, Joan Jett, Albert King, Kraftwerk, The Meters, N.W.A. and Public Enemy.

The 28th annual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony will be held in at the Nokia Theater in Los Angeles on April 18th, 2013.

WOW.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 23:46pm


Well, if those are the nominees, who gets in?

I'd say Donna Summer and Public Enemy are obvious. The other, I presume, three inductees are pretty tough. If I just had to guess it might be Randy Newman, Heart, and Rush.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 23:51pm


My first prediction is that Albert King will end up being this year's early influence inductee.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 23:56pm


DarinRG, I'd say that is the safest bet.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 23:57pm


If that is the list of nominations, I will crap myself. Almost all of those acts are worthy of induction. It would be the best list of nominees in a very long time. Could you imagine an induction ceremony of Deep Purple, Rush, Kraftwerk, Donna Summer and Public Enemy?

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 00:03am


Wow... and in Los Angeles? That's breaking away from tradition LOL

This is gonna be tough now... so that's how many? 14 this year? Wonder how many will be included in? It was six last time. Maybe it'll be seven (or eight).

Posted by Tim on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 00:04am


Holy cow. This is going to be a nailbiter, no question.

Randy Newman is the person I've pushed most in all of this site's projects, so I'll be steadfastly hoping for him to be inducted. This nomination is good news as it shows that the Nom Com feels he is the next most worthy singer-songwriter.

Still, this news will be all about Rush in the public's eye, and all about Kraftwerk here on FRL.

Posted by DC on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 00:10am


I would bet on 6+ inductees and possibly Albert King as an influence. If they went back to 5 it would make last year seem VERY fishy.

Posted by DC on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 00:12am


The more I think about the more I think it is likely Randy Newman will be one of the inductees. He'll satisfy the singer-songerwriter pick and he's a well known Los Angeleno. I also wouldn't count out N.W.A. as they too are a famous LA act.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 00:16am


My first prediction is that Jeff Lynne will end up being this year's Award for Music Excellence inductee leaving Electric Light Orchestra on the outside looking in forever, back-up would be Randy Newman and no way Procol Harum belongs before ELO!

>:-(

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 00:19am


I'm quite pleased at the inclusion of the Marvelettes... they were the first star group of Motown besides the Miracles. Likely the Rock Hall site will update their list by tomorrow morning.

Posted by Tim on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 00:30am


Deep Purple just got nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. After 19 years of eligibility.

God damnit, bust out the champagne glasses. This ballot makes me explode with joy. This ballot makes Joan Jett and Chic look acceptable, and that's saying something.

Posted by Jim on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 00:56am


Don't mess this up Hall of Fame Committtee!

Show some balls and have a induction class Of Deep Purple, Rush, N.W.A., Public Enemy, Donna Summer, Kraftwerk, Heart and Randy Newman. This ballot better have more than 5 inductees.

Who gives a crap if Little Steven hates it. Nobody cares about him anyway.

Posted by Jim on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 01:00am


My 2nd prediction is that Joe South will end up being one of this year's Non-Performers, he wrote "Hush" and many more, although he should be inducted as a Performer for "Games People Play" alone!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 01:08am


Jim: This group of nominations is so good I would have no problem they they inducted all of them! There is not an unworthy nomination in this group! I know they won't do that, but still!

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 01:10am


Jim and Gassman: I agree! This is a great ballot. I hope they realize that this class could really do a lot of good for the Hall's image. A good, old-fashioned class of 8 and some Influence, NP and Musical Excellence indutees would be fantastic.

Posted by DC on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 01:15am


I won't try predicting any NP/Musical Excellence/Influence inductees. That's always totally random. My predictions last year were for Sister Rosetta Tharpe as an Influence and Glen Campbell in the Musical Excellence category, and neither of those panned out.

My early prediction would be Don Cornelius, just like Don Kirshner last year, but it's not like the Committee jumped all over the recent deaths. They nominated Deep Purple and Donna Summer, and not Whitney or the Monkees, so it's 50-50.

Posted by DC on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 01:19am


I have one guess already. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band will be inducted this year. That appears to be the only "Springsteen" band on this list. I wouldn't have a problem with them either, would imo be a better induction then The Hollies.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 01:22am


Wow great ballot makes up for the wait! My detailed thoughts coming soon.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 03:52am


I nailed six of the nominees from my prediction of fifteen artists. Public Enemy, Donna Summer, Deep Purple, Chic, N.W.A. and The Marvelettes. Not bad.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 04:40am


Looks like this year's winners were Greg F and FRL's owner/webmaster with 7 correct selections.

FRL Prediction - 7
Greg F - 7
A-Killa - 6
DarinRG - 6
Brian - 6
Dan Windler - 6
rockstar23 - 6
Casper - 6
Jason Voigt - 6 (after an earlier prediction/write-up that had 3 right)
Paul in KY - 6
classicrocker - 5
Sam - 5
Lax29 - 5
Donnie - 5
K-Dawg - 5 (pretty good considering he only guessed 8 names that would be INDUCTED)
Joe - 5 (wishlist, rather than picks)
astrodog - 4 (not sure if this was a prediction, wishlist, or a mix of both)
maplejet - 4 (threw out 5 names casually and 4 made the ballot)
Chris - 4
Sounder93 - 4
RockHallMonitors - 4
Ian - 4
Dan Martel - 3 (from an 8 artist induction guess)
Lucario - 3 (5 right in an earlier prediction)
Jason - 3
cheesecrop - 3 (from an incomplete musing/guess)
mjm - 2
Ryan - 2 (small prediction crop)
Rick Vendi II - 0 (I doubt he was trying)

FRL's take on the group consensus/outside editorials also had 7 right.

Roy had 7 right from a prediction group of about 43 or something like that. It's actually kind of embarassing and I expected more from him.

Jonah mentioned 7 names in one post about 5 or 6 of which he was considering likely nominees.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 05:10am


Nobody really said anything about Albert King, The Meters or Procol Harum being on the ballot. Telling?

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 05:11am


Paul Butterfield Blues Band seemed to be the one that put both of this year's winners over the top. A risky pick paid off.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 05:13am


I didn't make any formal predictions, but I namedropped about 5 or 6 who ended up making the ballot (Public Enemy, Donna Summer, Deep Purple, The Marvelettes, Kraftwerk and I think somebody else). I don't even remember if I made the guesses on this page, doesn't matter anymore lol.

Anyway, kudos to everybody who made solid predictions!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 06:06am


Remember when Disco (Donna Summer) was the Anti-thesis of Rock & Roll? Thus far, RARHOF has included just about everything but opera.
Now it's just getting silly.

Posted by Mucker on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 01:09am


Not that I'm a fan, my mum is but for gods sake when are they going to fix the most glaring omission of the HoF, Cliff Richard (and The Shadows), he's the most influential act that emerged from the UK, basically without him paving the way there wouldn't have been the great bands that came out of the UK in the 60's which shaped the music we listen to today. I doubt there are any other artists who have sold close to 300 million records that haven't been inducted. Hand Marvin also influenced most of the great UK guitarist's of the last century.

Posted by KiwiRob on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 11:04am


Minger Boy Roger Friedman blasted Rush & Deep Purple on his hideous sits, and is rightfully getting HAMMERED by the responses! #justiceserved #fhim

Posted by EDS on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 11:23am


Roger Friedman is a fat-face scumbag. I remembered when he got dissed for talking all that mess about Michael Jackson when Michael was breathing. Now he wanna talk mess about Rush and Deep Purple? He's got some gall.

Posted by Tim on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 12:56pm




The Rock Hall so far has only inducted 10 artists who first started their careers in the 80's as of right now.
U2
The Pretenders
Grandmaster Flash
REM
Madonna
Metallica
RUN-DMC
Beastie Boys
Guns N Roses
Red Hot Chili Peppers
It seems that there will be another act from the 80's added inducted, but i still feel that there should be more added.

Posted by Ryan on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 18:15pm


Nomination *SNUBS*

Afrika Bambaataa
Big Star
Blue Cheer
Boogie Down Productions
Can
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band
The Cure
Dinosaur Jr.
Nick Drake
Fairport Convention
The Fall
The Fugs
Hüsker Dü
The Jam
Judas Priest
Fela Kuti
MC5
Motörhead
New York Dolls
Gram Parsons
Lee Perry
Pixies
The Pogues
Roxy Music
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
The 13th Floor Elevators
Peter Tosh
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Scott Walker
X
The Zombies

Posted by Chalkie on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 01:03am


I amazed that I got 7 out 15 right this year and on top of Kraftwerk who was my want list also got the nod. If this counts I got 8 right.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 02:12am


2013, and Linda Ronstadt not only not in, but noever nominated. That's disgraceful.

And what about Pat Benatar, Donna Summer, Stevie Nicks (solo), Heart, Joan Jett, Carly Simon? They're not in either. What's the story?

Posted by Its a damn shame on Friday, 11.16.12 @ 20:18pm


Moody Blues, ELO, ELP, Steve Miller Band, Kiss, Jethro Tull, Chicago not in HOF. BUT Tom Petty, Elvis Costello, Jackson Brown, Lovin' Spoonful, Rascals, Mama's and Papa's are???? R&RHOF is a joke.

Posted by Phil J on Monday, 04.22.13 @ 01:20am


As long as Chicago...or the Doobie Brothers, for that matter, have been overlooked for this long, I cannot see myself ever caring nor respecting this organization. It stinks that politics or personal vendettas interfere with recognizing one of America's most successful and creative bands. There has to be someone involved at a high level within the RRHF that simply has it our for Chicago. There is no other logical reason for excluding them.

Posted by Mark Sherman on Sunday, 05.19.13 @ 20:12pm



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