Rock Hall Revisited

This is a chance for Future Rock Legends readers to vote as if they had a ballot for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Thanks to Gassman for organizing and moderating the voting (this discussion originally started in the comments on the 2010 Inductees page).

Here are the original guidelines that Gassman wrote:

As we all know the time between the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony and the announcement of the nominees in September is a relatively slow time for this website. I have thought up of an idea of how to pass the time. Everybody here has their own problems with the way in which the Hall of Fame is constructed. You either think that there are horrible omissions or you feel that someone got inducted that didn’t deserve it. So I think it would be fun and interesting if we made or own Hall of Fame here. My idea would be that every week would represent a given year and people would get seven votes. The top seven vote getters at the end of the week of voting will get inducted into the Future Rock Legends Hall of Fame. I felt that seven would be a good middle ground as the normal five seems too low, but at the same time 10 seems too high. Also I know that you can change your name and vote multiple times, but please refrain from doing this so this can be somewhat legit.

Voting Results

(click on the year to see who was actually inducted in that class)
1986PerformersBuddy Holly and the Crickets, Chuck Berry, Elvis Presley, James Brown and the Famous Flames, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Ray Charles
1987PerformersBill Haley & His Comets, Bo Diddley, Fats Domino, Johnny Cash, Roy Orbison, Sam Cooke, The Everly Brothers
1988PerformersBob Dylan, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, The Drifters, The Four Seasons, The Miracles with Smokey Robinson, The Temptations
Non-PerformersAlan Freed, Berry Gordy, Jr., Leonard Chess, Phil Spector, Sam Phillips, Wolfman Jack
InfluencesHank Williams, Jimmie Rodgers, Les Paul, Louis Jordan, Robert Johnson, T-Bone Walker
1989PerformersAretha Franklin, Dion & The Belmonts#, Jackie Wilson, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, The Coasters, The Rolling Stones
Non-PerformersHolland-Dozier-Holland, Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller
InfluencesHowlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters
SidemenBill Black, Billy Preston, Earl Palmer, Floyd Cramer, Hal Blaine, James Burton, Scotty Moore, The Funk Brothers
1990PerformersB.B. King, Carl Perkins, Otis Redding, Simon & Garfunkel, The Animals, The Kinks, The Who
Non-PerformersBernie Lowe, George Martin
InfluencesBig Joe Turner, Jimmy Yancey
SidemenD.J. Fontana, King Curtis
1991PerformersDuane Eddy, Eddie Cochran, The Byrds, The Four Tops, The Supremes, The Yardbirds, Wilson Pickett
Non-PerformersAhmet Ertegun, John Hammond
InfluencesJohn Lee Hooker, Woody Guthrie
SidemenChet Atkins, Glen Campbell
1992PerformersBob Marley & The Wailers#, Cream, Ike & Tina Turner, Ricky Nelson, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Platters, The Velvet Underground
Non-PerformersGerry Goffin & Carole King, Leo Fender
InfluencesDjango Reinhardt, Screamin' Jay Hawkins
SidemenJohnnie Johnson, Nicky Hopkins
1993PerformersCreedence Clearwater Revival, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, Sly & The Family Stone, The Doors, The Isley Brothers, Van Morrison
Non-PerformersBill Graham, Jerry Wexler
InfluencesLead Belly, Louis Armstrong
SidemenBooker T. & The M.G.'s, The Wrecking Crew
1994PerformersBobby Darin, Deep Purple, Elton John, John Lennon, Sam and Dave, T. Rex, The Band
Non-PerformersDr. Robert Moog, Quincy Jones
InfluencesFrank Sinatra, Miles Davis
SidemenSteve Douglas, The Jordanaires
1995PerformersAl Green, Janis Joplin and Big Brother and the Holding Company#, Led Zeppelin, MC5, Neil Young, The Allman Brothers Band, The Impressions
Non-PerformersBernie Taupin, Otis Blackwell
InfluencesBill Monroe, Jimmy Reed
SidemenLittle Walter, Mickey "Guitar" Baker
1996PerformersAlice Cooper, Black Sabbath, Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention#, Jefferson Airplane, Link Wray, Parliament-Funkadelic, The Grateful Dead
Non-PerformersDick Clark, Jim Stewart
InfluencesBessie Smith, Willie Dixon
SidemenAl Kooper, Lee Allen
1997PerformersCrosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Fleetwood Mac, Joni Mitchell, King Crimson, The Jackson Five, The Shirelles, The Stooges
Non-PerformersDoc Pomus, Mort Shuman, Tom Dowd
InfluencesBillie Holiday, Patsy Cline
SidemenBernard Purdie, Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section
1998PerformersClyde McPhatter, Eagles, Martha and the Vandellas, Michael Jackson, Santana, The Bee Gees, The Moody Blues
Non-PerformersBrian Epstein, Lou Adler
InfluencesCharlie Christian, The Weavers
SidemenMick Ronson, The Memphis Horns
1999PerformersAerosmith, Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band, Buffalo Springfield, Etta James, Kraftwerk, Queen, Rod Stewart
Non-PerformersDave Bartholomew, Jesse Stone
InfluencesMahalia Jackson, Professor Longhair
2000PerformersDonovan, Gladys Knight & The Pips, Johnny Burnette & The Rock 'n' Roll Trio, KISS, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Steely Dan, The O'Jays
Non-PerformersBrian Eno, Gamble & Huff
InfluencesBig Mama Thornton, Little Willie John
SidemenJimmy Nolen, Leon Russell, Spooner Oldham, The Tennessee Three
2001PerformersAC/DC, Billy Joel, Curtis Mayfield, Hank Ballard & The Midnighters, Paul McCartney & Wings#, Roxy Music, Yes
Non-PerformersAlan Lomax, Ralph Bass
InfluencesElmore James, Ma Rainey
SidemenLouis Shelton, Maceo Parker
2002PerformersGene Vincent & His Blue Caps, New York Dolls, Paul Simon, Ramones, Ruth Brown, Talking Heads, Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
Non-PerformersEllie Greenwich and Jeff Barry, Lee "Scratch" Perry
InfluencesBob Wills & His Texas Playboys, Bobby "Blue" Bland
SidemenCrazy Horse, Ry Cooder
2003PerformersBig Star, Dick Dale, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, Genesis, Isaac Hayes, The Clash, The Police
Non-PerformersAllen Toussaint, Paul Ackerman
InfluencesJohn Coltrane, Nina Simone
SidemenJeff "Skunk" Baxter, Jim Keltner
2004PerformersJoy Division, Prince, Ritchie Valens, Sex Pistols, The Cure, Van Halen, ZZ Top
Non-PerformersBarry Mann and Cynthia Weil, David Geffen
InfluencesThe Carter Family, The Soul Stirrers
SidemenLeland Sklar, Mike Bloomfield
2005PerformersDusty Springfield, Earth, Wind & Fire, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Rush, Traffic, U2
Non-PerformersClive Davis, Don Cornelius
InfluencesBuddy Guy, Nat "King" Cole
SidemenDr. John, The Meters
2006PerformersChicago, Judas Priest, Patti Smith Group#, Peter Gabriel, The Dave Clark Five, The Mamas & The Papas, The Staple Singers
Non-PerformersCasey Kasem, Herb Alpert & Jerry Moss
InfluencesElla Fitzgerald, Wynonie Harris
SidemenJabo Starks & Clyde Stubblefield, Randy Rhoads
2007PerformersBlondie, Depeche Mode, Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five, New Order, R.E.M., The (Young) Rascals, The Monkees
Non-PerformersJohn Peel, Mo Ostin
InfluencesCab Calloway, Sister Rosetta Tharpe
SidemenKlaus Voormann, The Revolution
2008PerformersBob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band#, Cheap Trick, Madonna, Metallica, Sonic Youth, The Cars, The Pretenders
Non-PerformersBarrett Strong & Norman Whitfield, Jann Wenner
InfluencesAlbert King, Dinah Washington
SidemenDarlene Love and the Blossoms, Sly & Robbie
2009PerformersJeff Beck, Jethro Tull, Motörhead, Neil Diamond, Run-D.M.C., Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, The Smiths
Non-PerformersCosimo Matassa, Malcolm McLaren
InfluencesRoy Brown, The "5" Royales
SidemenCarmine Appice, Charlie Daniels
2010PerformersDevo, Electric Light Orchestra, Iron Maiden, Leonard Cohen, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Solomon Burke, The Spinners
Non-PerformersLang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfeld, Robert "Mutt" Lange
InfluencesRavi Shankar, The Kingston Trio
SidemenJim Horn, Kenny Aronoff
2011Voting on classes 2011 and beyond continues over at the Rock Hall Projected page.
Orange names are not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
# = Only the lead performer is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Voting on classes 2011 and beyond continues over at the Rock Hall Projected page.


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Comments

306 comments so far (post your own)

ELO- 4
Neil Diamond - 3
Jeff Beck - 2
Etc...... - 1

Oh wait Motorhead (1)

Posted by Tom Lane on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:16pm
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LOL.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:24pm


My tiebreaker vote, quick candidate analysis:

Jeff Beck
Legendary in every definition of the word, one of the greatest rock and roll guitarists of all time, in with the Yardbirds already but deserving of a solo spot as well.

Neil Diamond
Gets seniority points plus one of both Hall's most glaring omissions, IMO. I also voted for him this year so not too much doubt which spot he's going to take.

Electric Light Orchestra
Solid band and Jeff Lynne's name is a name deserving of being in a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, IMO.

Motorhead
Would make a perfect addition to our metal category which we're underrepresented in, also the newest eligible candidate on our tiebreaker. By my early count of adding up the tiebreaker tally so far already doing pretty well without my help.

There's really not going to be any losers in this tiebreaker, as whoever falls short is probably going to be one of the top vote getters next year, so without further ado...

Neil Diamond - 4 points
Jeff Beck - 3 points
Electric Light Orchestra - 2 points
Motorhead - 1 point

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:25pm


Neil Diamond 4
Jeff Beck 3
Motorhead 2
_ _ _ 1

Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:34pm


Seeing that our voting of 1960's acts has died off a bit, I would like to forth the fallowing acts:

Blue Cheer
Neil Diamond
Solomon Burke
The Hollies
Love
The Lovin’ Spoonful
Procol Harum
The Righteous Brothers
The Ronettes
Del Shannon
The Sonics
Steppenwolf
The Zombies

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:20pm

If he misses out on the tiebreaker I will be voting for Neil Diamond again next year. The Zombies and Solomon Burke are both going to return to my ballot and I will be voting for both until they get inducted. The Lovin' Spoonful, the Hollies, Del Shannon, the Righteous Brothers and Procol Harum are all waiting to make an appearance on my ballot and are all among the artists next on my queue. All of the rest are on my queue and good call on the Sonics. I would add Paul Revere & The Raiders to that list since they've had a fair amount of past support here.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:35pm


To those who are suggesting we add names such as Garth Brooks, Shania Twain and the Dixie Chicks to the influences category in the future, I don't disagree. But, by then we'd better have inducted Merle Haggard, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Loretta Lynn, George Jones and Dolly Parton. If we're going to open the country can of worms, we've got a lot of ground to cover.

Posted by DC on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:36pm


Oh and in regards to those 60s act Gassman, I can see someone making a case for Johnny Rivers and the Turtles as well

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:38pm


*acts

Good point, DC. I plan on voting for one of Nelson, Jennings and Jones the moment the Kingston Trio get in as Influences. I need to do more research on the other's influence on rock

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:41pm


Seeing that our voting of 1960's acts has died off a bit, I would like to forth the fallowing acts:

Blue Cheer
Neil Diamond
Solomon Burke
The Hollies
Love
The Lovin’ Spoonful
Procol Harum
The Righteous Brothers
The Ronettes
Del Shannon
The Sonics
Steppenwolf
The Zombies

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:20pm
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Solid list, but someone's really going to have to sell me on Steppenwolf. They've always seemed far to trivial to me for Hall of Fame consideration.

There are a few acts not on the list like Captain Beefheart, Paul Butterfield Blues Band or 13th Floor Elevators that I'd rather see in before Steppenwolf.

I like the rest of the list, though.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:44pm


Good list, Gassman. I would add the Shangri-Las, Peter Paul & Mary and Brenda Lee, though.

Posted by DC on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:46pm


I would like to add the these 60s names for consideration as well:

Manfred Mann, Petula Clark, The Troggs, The Association, Nico, The Kingsmen, Them, Tim Buckley, The Small Faces, Fairport Convention, Nick Drake and Joe Cocker

Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:50pm


And of course, Scott Walker!

Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:56pm


A few more 60s names in addition to Paul Revere & The Raiders, Johnny Rivers, and The Turtles who had at least their first recording in the 60s who may be worth considering who haven't been mentioned yet:

Cliff Richard & The Shadows (begun in the 50s, yes but notable work in the early 60s)
Ben E. King
The Spinners
The Marvelettes (maybe)
John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers (maybe)
Cat Stevens
Gram Parsons
Quicksilver Messenger Service (maybe)
Warren Zevon

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 13:00pm


For the entire 60s add The Tokens.
Add Moby Grape from the later part of the 60s and Connie Francis from the early part of the decade.

Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 13:30pm


1) Neil Diamond - 4 points
2) ELO - 3 points
3) Jeff Beck - 2 points
4) Motorhead - 1 point

Posted by Jonny on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 14:39pm


Well, this is tough, but I'll have to ignore the seniority thing and vote for the act that's most likely to get lost in the shuffle if they lose this.

Motorhead-4
Jeff Beck-3 (Next year, dude, don't worry.)
After that I don't really care, but for what it's worth:
ELO-2
Neil Diamond-1

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 14:43pm


1) Motorhead - 4 points
2) ELO - 3 points
3) Jeff Beck - 2 points
4) Neil Diamond - 1 point

Posted by BSLO on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 14:48pm


Tiebreaker:

Motorhead 4
Electric Light Orchestra 3
Jeff Beck 2
Neil Diamond 1


As far as '60's acts deserving of consideration, might I add Iron Butterfly, The Move, The Nice, and Soft Machine? Good picks, however, from everyone.


Tahvo: Sorry for the delayed response, but thank you for supporting my Influence votes!

Posted by Ray on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 15:08pm


tie breaker votes

4-neil diamond
3-jeff beck
2-motorhead
1-elo

Posted by Brian on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 15:09pm


You're welcome Ray!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 15:34pm


Just a reminder to all that tie breaker voting closes on Monday, August 9th at 12pm Eastern

Jeff Beck 47

Gassman 4
Darren 1
Dezmond 4
Greg F. 1
KXB 3
DC 3
The_Claw 4
DarinRG 3
Obutiy 4
Tom Lane 2
Tahvo Parvianen 3
Classicrocker 3
Jonny 2
Sam 3
BSLO 2
Ray 2
Brain 3

Neil Diamond 41

Gassman 2
Darren 2
Dezmond 2
Greg F. 2
KXB 2
DC 4
The_Claw 1
DarinRG 2
Obuity 1
Tom Lane 3
Tahvo Parvianen 4
Classicrocker 4
Jonny 4
Sam 2
BSLO 1
Ray 1
Brain 4

Electric Light Orchestra 34

Gassman 1
Darren 4
Dezmond 1
Greg F. 3
KXB 1
DC 1
The_Claw 2
DarinRG 1
Obuity 2
Tom Lane 4
Tahvo Parvianen 2
Classicrocker 1
Jonny 3
Sam 1
BSLO 3
Ray 3
Brain 1

Motörhead 48

Gassman 3
Darren 3
Dezmond 3
Greg F. 4
KXB 4
DC 2
The_Claw 3
DarinRG 4
Obuity 3
Tom Lane 1
Tahvo Parvianen 1
Classicrocker 2
Jonny 1
Sam 4
BSLO 4
Ray 4
Brain 2

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 15:58pm


tie-breaker:

Neil Diamond - 4 points
ELO - 3
Motorhead - 2
Jeff Beck - 1

Posted by Darrin A on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 16:14pm


Here is my 70's queue, after next year I am going to group the 60's together and split the 70's into early and late (i.e. 2 automatic votes for the 70's, one automatic vote for the 60's):

Jeff Beck
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Jimmy Cliff
Jackson Browne
Thin Lizzy
Mahavishnu Orchrstra
Electric Light Orchrstra
Gram Parsons
Donna Summer
The Carpenters
Chic
Steve Miller Band
Toots & The Maytals
George Harrison
Television
Kool and the Gang
Bill Withers
The Spinners
Bobby Womack
The Jam
Tom Waits
Leonard Cohen
Barry White
ABBA
Heart
Bad Company
Blood, Sweet & Tears
Boston
The Runaways
Journey

I feel like some have been over looked like Mahavishnu Orchrstra and others like Gram Parsons and Television had support that died off. I also agree with the statement that some form of Arena Rock / Corperate Rock needs to be represented, but only after many others have gotten in.

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 16:16pm


I hope to make a big push for Mahavishnu Orchrstra in the near future. They were the premire Jazz-Rock Fusion band. They did it in a way that really was Jazz mixed with Rock unlike some of the other Jazz Rock bands that just had a horn section (not that, that's bad). Also I feel like we need to get John McLaughlin in. He was Miles Davis' guitar player for Bitches Brew, which is probably the main reason why Miles Davis could be considered rock and in the 'real' Hall of Fame as a performer. His playing has influenced various guitar players from different genres including Jeff Beck, Steve Morse, Greg Ginn of Black Flag, and Omar Rodriguez of The Mars Volta.

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 16:30pm


Neil Diamond - 4 points
Electric Light Orchestra - 3 points
Jeff Beck Group - 2 points
Motorhead - 1 point

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 16:34pm




4 = Electric Light Orcesthra

3 = Jeff Beck

2 = Motorhead

1 = Neil Diamond

Posted by Kyle on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 16:48pm


Hey Gassman,

Sam gave ELO 2 and Neil Diamond 1, so your counts are off by one each, thus should have been...

Neil Diamond-40
ELO-35

PS-When will you start voting for ELO? They've got much more traction than any other above them on your 70's queue right now, you already did it for Jethro Tull this year citing the same reason!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 16:56pm


Gassman: How about Can, Neu!, Uriah Heep, Tangerine Dream, Rainbow, and Throbbing Gristle for your '70's queue?

Posted by Ray on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:06pm


Well, concerning ELO...in the famous words of Warren Zevon;

"Send lawyers, guns, and money...the s**t has hit the fan"

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:13pm


Rick - My bad, I fixed. That is why I put post the names, just in case I make a mistake. I hopefully will be voting for ELO very soon. The reason I changed my vote for Jethro Tull and Motorhead is I really want to get Emerson, Lake & Palmer and Iron Maiden in. I came to the conclusion that they would get in faster if I helped get their vote competiton inducted first. Now I am hoping that those who supported Jethro Tull and Motorhead will now vote for ELP and Iron Maiden. ELO is really close to getting my vote, I will probably vote for them in 2011. Also I would have voted for them in the tie breaker if they weren't going up against 3 acts that I voted for.

Ray - I am going to have to look into those acts. I like Rainbow, but I don't know if they are Hall of Fame worthy. They would probably go to the back of my queue. I know Can is really important, but I would have to listen to some of their music before making a decsion and I know that Neu! is similar to Can. I know very little on the other 3 and I would need to do some research on them.

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:29pm


"Well, concerning ELO...in the famous words of Warren Zevon;

"Send lawyers, guns, and money...the s**t has hit the fan"

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:13pm"

Gloating eh Terry or should I call you obutiny, might as well be since whoever they were did your dirty work with a 1/2 hour left and you do not sabotage ELO huh, yeah right, you never needed to cry about Jeff Beck getting an induction because you knew that he would all along, easy to say when your favorites always get their inductions!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:35pm


4-Jeff Beck
3-Neil Diamond
2-Motorhead
1-Orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark...oops, I mean Electric Light Orchestra

Posted by Zepulon Pike on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:47pm


Electric Light Orchestra 4
Neil Diamond 3
Motorhead 2
Jeff Beck 1

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:47pm


Rick, dude, not cool. Just drop it. People are voting however they feel. If they feel that Neil and Motorhead and Jeff Beck are more deserving than ELO, that's their right to vote as they see fit. And now also badgering Gassman about it too. This is why I dropped support in 2008. No one is doing Git's work for him; there is no conspiracy. Just let it go. It's the best thing you can do right now.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:55pm


Ooh, A tiebreak between some of my favorites, this could be interesting.

Motorhead-4 pts.
Neil Diamond-3 pts.
Jeff Beck-2 pts. (are we inducting him solo or with Jeff Beck Group?)
ELO-1 pt.

Not that I dislike ELO, but I just feel they could wait one extra year. ELO is one of my votes for next year.

Posted by Dr. W on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:56pm


"Rick, dude, not cool. Just drop it. People are voting however they feel. If they feel that Neil and Motorhead and Jeff Beck are more deserving than ELO, that's their right to vote as they see fit. And now also badgering Gassman about it too. This is why I dropped support in 2008. No one is doing Git's work for him; there is no conspiracy. Just let it go. It's the best thing you can do right now.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:55pm"

If this is why your ELO support stopped then you're no better, so Gitarzan can say whatever he wants about me or E.L.O. and I have to shut up, but when my mother votes, most everybody goes apeshit immediately, what the hell double standard is at play here, boy you guys got some nerve, hypocrites!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:14pm


^What Philip said. We don't want an ELO version of Roy around here ("If Chicago ever sucked blame it on the producers"; bollocks.)

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:14pm


1. Jeff Beck - 4 Points
2. Neil Diamond - 3 Points
3. Motorhead - 2 Points
4. ELO - 1 Point

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:16pm


Gassman? FRL mods? My program's on at 9, so I don't have time to stick around and break up a slapping contest, so if one of you could intervene if anyone gets too defensive, angry or whiny... thank you.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:17pm


A four-way tiebreaker. This is something I have not seen in quite a while. Anyway, here are my votes and preferences for whom shall be the tiebreakers.

Electric Light Orchestra. 4 points.
Motorhead. 3 Points.
Jeff Beck. 2 points.
Neil Diamond. 1 point.

My reasoning for Elo, Motorhead and Jeff Beck to go in the Revisited Rock Hall Class of 2009 are clearly based on personal preferances, and their impressive career and artistry innovations. As for Neil Diamond, I am certainly not against the idea of the "Jewish Elvis" to be inducted. Diamond's recent recordings with Rick Rubin have brought forth a great reconsideration of his deserving accomplishments and songwriting craft. Yet, compared to the above three, Neil Diamond did not rock out as much as the above three did. Not to worry, though: Neil will be inducted into the Revisited Rock Hall as late as next year (or week).

Waiting to see what Dave Barry thinks about this:),

Lax27

Posted by Lax27 on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:29pm


Vendl, you're pushing it this time like never before. If it weren't for good old Ray changing his vote from Iron Maiden at just about the last possible minute, you wouldn't even be in this tiebreaker.

I don't think it should be permitted to change any votes unless it's 24 hours after the opening of voting instead of 24 hours before the close. There's too much of a temptation to try and manipulate the outcome when people see some of their votes that aren't going to produce a winner think they can change them to alter the outcome. And, yeah, I would feel that way even if it worked in my favor.

Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:34pm


"And now also badgering Gassman about it too.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:55pm"

Look I asked the man a straight forward question and Gassman had no problem in answering it, so it's none of your business or are asking questions now forbidden here too!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:43pm


Gloating eh Terry or should I call you obutiny, might as well be since whoever they were did your dirty work with a 1/2 hour left and you do not sabotage ELO huh, yeah right, you never needed to cry about Jeff Beck getting an induction because you knew that he would all along, easy to say when your favorites always get their inductions!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:35pm

Wow, I can't believe I just got called out on here. Rick, you need to cool your jets. It's really not that serious. I started voting on this almost a month before you came in. It's not like I'm some mysterious new poster. Most of my votes haven't agreed with Gitarzan so how does that even make sense. And to think, I almost voted for ELO just so you might go away (although I do think they deserve induction just not yet). You're really taking the fun out of this because, after all, this is just for fun.

Posted by obutiny on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:46pm


"Vendl, you're pushing it this time like never before. If it weren't for good old Ray changing his vote from Iron Maiden at just about the last possible minute, you wouldn't even be in this tiebreaker.

I don't think it should be permitted to change any votes unless it's 24 hours after the opening of voting instead of 24 hours before the close. There's too much of a temptation to try and manipulate the outcome when people see some of their votes that aren't going to produce a winner think they can change them to alter the outcome. And, yeah, I would feel that way even if it worked in my favor.

Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:34pm"

No I'm not and Casper changed 2 of his votes to Jeff Beck and Devo right before that, so your point is moot!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:47pm


Rick - I agree with Philip that your aggressive campaigning is only hurting your cause. ELO is going to get in very soon, there has yet to be an act that has gotten as close as ELO has and not gotten in. Just take a deep breath and clam down. Also, obuity always votes really close to the close of voting and he gave ELO 2 votes during the tie-breaker which means he wants to see ELO get in out of the 4 tie breaker acts. Please just cool it down bit!

To Everyone - I know you all have strong opinions on why you don't think someone should be in or out and that is your right. Just try to keep your comments respectful and don't be insulting to the act. Music can be really personal for people, even to a point where saying something bad about the act feels like a personal insult. We just need to remember that when we discuss why or why not we think an act is worthy. We have done a really good job here and I would hate to see people quit because they feel disrespected.

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:56pm


"Wow, I can't believe I just got called out on here. Rick, you need to cool your jets. It's really not that serious. I started voting on this almost a month before you came in. It's not like I'm some mysterious new poster. Most of my votes haven't agreed with Gitarzan so how does that even make sense. And to think, I almost voted for ELO just so you might go away (although I do think they deserve induction just not yet). You're really taking the fun out of this because, after all, this is just for fun.

Posted by obutiny on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:46pm"

No, they are, so you just so happen to vote for all the top vote getters in every category except ELO, come on, don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:56pm


classicrocker, do you think it was cool to post your choices and not mention ELO for your vote total? If I was Rick and a huge ELO supporter I wouldn't be happy either when you or someone else doesn't even mention they exist in your ballot.

Gitarzan- gloating about ELO's vote totals was pretty immature as well.

To me if ELO don't get in this year, they will be right back on my ballot next year. Rick's passion is refreshing. Would love to here him pushing ELO on the Cleveland Hall's Nominating Committee at their yearly meeting to discuss nominees. After reading his posts here, I can tell you my money would be on him and on ELO getting nominated.

P.S. To me there should be no more vote changes period. Once you are locked in, you're locked in. Most are doing this.

Posted by Tom Lane on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:00pm


"If this is why your ELO support stopped then you're no better, so Gitarzan can say whatever he wants about me or E.L.O. and I have to shut up, but when my mother votes, most everybody goes apeshit immediately, what the hell double standard is at play here, boy you guys got some nerve, hypocrites!"--Rick

1. I supported you in the face of the case of your mother's votes. I said your votes should still count.

2. Git has almost always been a tit-for-tat kind of debater. If he is calling you names, chances are he didn't start it.

3. I'm no better? I've supported ELO in the face of criticism from people like Git before you went over the edge at him. I could change my tie-breaker vote to switch places between Motorhead and ELO if I really am no better, but I won't.

4. 2008 was the ONLY year that my vote was affected by your acting up like this. This year, my votes went for current Hall Of Famers (except for SRV) who aren't in our version yet because I wanted to show some love and say that I had no problem with these people being in the real Hall Of Fame. I don't quite buy into Casper's argument about who we don't get in is basically a mistake of the Real Hall, but not to give ANY love for some of these people is really bad on our part. I even dropped my campaign for the Tokens for the sake of Real Hall Of Famers, and I'll probably do it again for 2010 and 2011.

5. Your question to Gassman came off like badgering because it was right on the heels of your attack on Gitarzan. It was not unreasonable to assume you were turning on Gassman.

6. If you continue to act up like this, you're gonna lose even more supporters. For the sake of ELO, grow up.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:04pm


I don't think it should be permitted to change any votes unless it's 24 hours after the opening of voting instead of 24 hours before the close. There's too much of a temptation to try and manipulate the outcome when people see some of their votes that aren't going to produce a winner think they can change them to alter the outcome. And, yeah, I would feel that way even if it worked in my favor.

Posted by classicrocker

I may be down for this after what happend this year even though it probably helped get Jeff Bekc in, which I am pumped about. Let me sleep on it, I may put it to a vote.

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:05pm


I agree with both Tom Lane and Phillip. Both sides just need to back off, calm down and stop disrespecting each other and the acts people like!

Also the more I think about it the more I like the rule classicrocker said. I think we should add some clause that lets people makes changes if they make a quick realization like I did this year switching Roy Brown to The Kingston Trio.

The next round of voting we will vote on the fallowing

"One can only change their votes during the first 24 hours of voting or within the hour that they vote"

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:17pm


Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:04pm
"1. I supported you in the face of the case of your mother's votes. I said your votes should still count."

Thanks!

"2. Git has almost always been a tit-for-tat kind of debater. If he is calling you names, chances are he didn't start it."

Go back and read before Gitarzan posted his latest ELO bash as I said nothing to provoke him.

"5. Your question to Gassman came off like badgering because it was right on the heels of your attack on Gitarzan. It was not unreasonable to assume you were turning on Gassman."

Then you assume too much.

"3. I'm no better? I've supported ELO in the face of criticism from people like Git before you went over the edge at him. I could change my tie-breaker vote to switch places between Motorhead and ELO if I really am no better, but I won't.

6. For the sake of ELO, grow up."

Take your own advice by voting for ELO once again.

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:26pm


There's really not going to be any losers in this tiebreaker, as whoever falls short is probably going to be one of the top vote getters next year, so without further ado...

...

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:25pm



Isn't this exactly what was said about ELO last round? And the round before? Etc. Jeff Beck would surely get in next round, seeing the backlash of vote changing created when he was out and ELO was in. Motörhead is a sure-fire in next round as people feel we're underrepresenting metal. I personally am not in favor of Neil Diamond, but it seems like some feel that we need more early and singer-songwriter presences in our Hall. ELO is the odd men out, I feel. Their situation is much like The Zombies'. They've been on the cusp for years but never seem to break through. Sure, our Hall definitely has more of a progressive presence than the real HoF, but how many symphonic rock bands do we have? The bands closest to ELO in our Hall are The Beatles and Rush.

I'm sure down the road sometime they'll be inducted, but don't give us the "it'll happen next year for sure" shtick again because it's been used before to describe ELO.

--------------------------
Tiebreaker vote:
4 - Electric Light Orchestra
3 - Motörhead
2 - Jeff Beck
1 - Neil Diamond

Posted by Weiner on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:34pm


"classicrocker, do you think it was cool to post your choices and not mention ELO for your vote total? If I was Rick and a huge ELO supporter I wouldn't be happy either when you or someone else doesn't even mention they exist in your ballot." -Tom

I have my reasons for that which I expressed earlier in the week...

ELO- 4
Neil Diamond - 3
Jeff Beck - 2
Etc...... - 1

Oh wait Motorhead (1)

Posted by Tom Lane on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:16pm

Oh and we're supposed to believe that's not offensive to Motorhead fans, huh Tom.

Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:01pm


Git was attempting to make a joke. At least that's what I got from him when he quoted Zevon.

The fact that I did not change my tie-breaker to hurt ELO despite your attacking me would suggest that I have already grown up, thank you very much. As I said, for now, I'm gonna focus on voting for real Hall Of Famers to show them at least some form of support, that their inductions were reasonable. If you cannot accept that as a legitimate reason to vote for people other than ELO, that is your problem, and I will leave you to stew in it.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:05pm


Hmmm...if my vote this time around would've registered when I entered it there wouldn't have been a tie-breaker in the first place. Add that to the fact I'm not the one who actually threatened litigation on here for something that's rather trivial.

I also don't think I mentioned anyone on here by name, did I? Someone must have a guilty conscience. Also, what criticism have I leveled at ELO? I was merely stating that we were all going to hear about it when they fell short...

"TAH DAHHHHHH....!!!!!!"

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:13pm


And now for something completely different...

Oingo Boingo. This is a band that many of you have likely derided as a novelty act. I'm here to tell you otherwise. Oingo Boingo is one of Top 5 artists, along with The Beatles, David Bowie, Talking Heads, and Nirvana. Yes, that is quite the varied list.

The band started as a performance art group called The Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo. This may be where the view of them as a novelty act begins, and continues with their film Forbidden Zone. It could also be their song Weird Science from the film of the same name, which is probably their most famous song. The band hated that song and never played it live.

The band's usually compared to Devo. Both are definitely new wave acts, so there are some similarities in sound, but Devo is much more rooted in synthpop/punk and art rock while Oingo Boingo is more rooted in jazz, ska, and world beat. What really sets them apart is Oingo Boingo's usuage of many different instruments, including African drums, vibraphones and xylophones, and a three-piece horn section (the latter of which gives Oingo Boingo a distinctive sound compared to other new wave acts). Their lyrics also may draw some comparisons; their catalog has lots of usage of ironic lyrics and surreal imagery. The group also used the unconventional time signatures, keys, and harmonies that seem more akin to progressive and symphonic rock. The band did have a more symphonic sound towards the end when Elfman was composing film scores at the same time.

Band-leader Danny Elfman later became very famous for in his film scores. Other members that went on to film include guitarist Steve Bartek (The Tick, Tales from the Crypt, Amazing Stories, Desperate Housewives [for which he received an Emmy]; orchestrator for most Elfman scores) and keyboardist and trombonist Richard Gibbs (Muppets Tonight, The Simpsons, Battlestar Galactica; and session artist on over 150 albums).

They released 8 studio albums, 2 EPs, a quasi-live album (Boingo Alive recorded live on a soundstage without an audience), and a proper live album. The live album was Farewell, which was recorded at their last concert on Halloween 1995. Oingo Boingo played a special concert every year on Halloween.

I would recommend you all to listen to the songs Only A Lad, Capitalism, and Nasty Habits from Only A Lad; all of Nothing to Fear; Dead or Alive, Fill the Void, and Little Guns from Good for Your Soul; Just Another Day and Fools' Paradise from Dead Man's Party; New Generation from BOI-NGO; Only Makes Me Laugh, Wild Sex (In The Working Class), Violent Love, Sweat, and Country Sweat from Boingo Alive; Lightning from So-Lo; and Insanity, Can't See (Useless), Change, and Helpless from Boingo. Yeah, that's a lot of songs, but I feel that those really show the depth and breadth of the band.

Posted by Weiner on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:25pm


Oingo Boingo...good group, and one of the tightest bands I've ever heard. Danny Elfman is a SERIOUS composer/arranger. Calling them a "top 5 group" is a bit of a stretch, but they did make a strong statement in the 80's.

I think Elfman is more interested in winning an "Oscar" than getting inducted into the HoF, wouldn't you think...???

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:35pm


My tie-breaker votes.....

Neil Diamond- 4 votes

Electric Light Orchestra- 3 votes

Motorhead- 2 votes

Jeff Beck- 1 vote

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:55pm


"Gitarzan- gloating about ELO's vote totals was pretty immature as well."- Tom Lane

Define "gloating"...and while you're at it, define "immature".

Y'know, I've frequented this site for a long time, and have had disagreements with just about everyone...Philip, Cheesecrop, Donnie, Dezmond, Dameon, etc, etc, etc... some of them actually got a little heated. For the most part these disagreements have resulted in mutual understanding, and none of the individuals mentioned (as well as others) went off like blithering idiots. If anyone who comes on here has thin skin or is easily offended when someone doesn't completely agree them, this is probably not "the place to be" for open Rock & Roll discussions. I made what I thought was a funny comment, based on the build-up to ELO not making it again, and of course a certain few people didn't disappoint...not my problem!

These people are truly lucky that Liam hasn't frequented this site for a while...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:56pm


I said they're in my top 5 favorites, not the top 5 greatest of all time. If we were only concerned with the top 5 greatest of all time, we probably would've stopped around the 1993 induction ceremony.

I would say that nowadays he is more focused on film than rock, considering Oingo Boingo broke up in 95. Elfman said in 2007 that he and others in the band have some hearing problems that would prevent them from doing a reunion concert/tour. However, he didn't rule out a new album and isn't done with rock entirely; on the Wanted soundtrack he recorded a song called "The Little Things" which I very much so liked. From 85 through their break up in 95, Elfman split time between the band and composing scores, and in that time the band made some great albums and he made some of his signature scores (Pee Wee, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, Nightmare Before Christmas). His work in Oingo Boingo influenced his film scores and vice versa; the album "Boingo" is very much so influenced by symphonic rock and classical music.

And there have been plenty of other musicians who have left the world of rock to focus on Oscars; Mark Mothersbaugh has been scoring films and TV and producing other artists' albums since the late 80s. Brian Eno and Jeff Lynne have been producing albums whilst performing since the dawn of time. I don't think him trying to EGOT detracts from his band's merits anymore than his peer's out-of-band work detracts from Devo or ELO, or Eno's work with scores detracts from his work with Bowie or Talking Heads. In fact, I feel that his and other band members' outside work only strengthens Oingo Boingo's case.

Posted by Weiner on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:57pm


Oingo Boingo? An underrated band that will always be discounted because of their name much in the same way Flock Of Seagulls will always be discounted because of their goofy haircuts, but I'm not sure the members of the band would even put them in the top 5 all-time.

Posted by Darren on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:59pm


Sorry about the misinterpretation, Weiner...my mistake!

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:01pm


To quote Chuck D., "Who Stole the Soul?"

In the last 3 years no R&B artists have been inducted. In the last 5 only 2 have gotten in.
2 acts out of 35 names. I'm not counting the 2 Rap acts that are in, this is about Soul names. And these stats aren't very good.

We do better in the other categories, but when it comes to the main performers, an R&B iceberg has definitely been struck.

Any argument that there aren't many good R&B names left is ridiculous. There seems to be this sentiment that all the good Soul names are in, and that there's no one else worth voting on, so let's just go with Rock names from here on out.
There was a post about this a few weeks back by someone else, and it didn't appear to sway anyone here. There was talk of putting names in queue's and agreement that R&B names are getting behind, but nothing changed. Meanwhile the Rock induction onslaught here picked up steam.

The Spinners and Solomon Burke, as well as Frankie Lymon are knocking on the doors here. But they should have been in long ago. The last 2 R&B acts inducted, EWF and the Staples took an embarrassingly long time to get in. And there are many others from Donna Summer to the Marvelettes to to Dionne Warwick to Barry White to Little Anthony to LaVern Baker to Lloyd Price to the Ohio Players to the Stylistics to Joe Tex to Chic to the Commodores to Teddy Pendergrass to Kool & The Gang to the Stylistics to War to Bill Withers etc, etc.
There's also Blue-Eyed Soul greats the Righteous Brothers and Hall & Oates. And now the 80's bring us Whitney Houston, Luther Vandross and Janet Jackson. All of these acts have made as great a contribution to music history as some of the Rock acts that have gotten through, or ones now getting a fair amount of votes, or even ones that people say they are going to vote for.

Maybe your record collection is one-sided and leans all-Rock. But what is your definition of "Rock and Roll"? Is it just Rock music? For me and others it is truly varied. Albums by Soul, Rock, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Pop and Blues artists are all grouped alphabetically in my collection. That's why my ballot always included a little bit of everything. Sadly, others don't do the same.

If the All-Rock trend continues, this Hall would have achieved little in convincing people that it is a better alternative to the Cleveland one.
Especially those who believe that any attempt at a "Rock and Roll" Hall of Fame should indeed include all the diverse elements that make up that term.

I'm not saying that in one year 7 R&B names need to be inducted. And to be fair, the Cleveland Hall hasn't done much better. Since 2005 they've inducted only 2 Soul names (Womack, Little Anthony). Yet, they have also only inducted 5 names a year in that period. "It's hard times befallen the Soul Survivors" went a 1980 Steely Dan lyric, and went it comes to this Hall or the Cleveland one, it's true.

Posted by Tom Lane on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:03pm


"Oh and we're supposed to believe that's not offensive to Motorhead fans, huh Tom.

Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:01pm"

Go back and read before that, it was in response to DarinRG's comment about Etc.......=ELO, then he replied with a "LOL!"



Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:05pm


Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:05pm
"Git was attempting to make a joke. At least that's what I got from him when he quoted Zevon."

Nice spin, but it's too late and if so, why didn't you just come out and say that before?!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:18pm


Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:13pm
"Hmmm...if my vote this time around would've registered when I entered it there wouldn't have been a tie-breaker in the first place."

Likely story, always double check when if it's that important.

"Add that to the fact I'm not the one who actually threatened litigation on here for something that's rather trivial."

"Rather trivial", then why did Future Rock Legends remove it so quickly?!

"I was merely stating that we were all going to hear about it when they fell short...

TAH DAHHHHHH....!!!!!!"

I was not going to say anything until you opened your pie hole.

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:29pm


Rick, knock it off.

Posted by DC on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:36pm


"Isn't this exactly what was said about ELO last round? And the round before? Etc. Jeff Beck would surely get in next round, seeing the backlash of vote changing created when he was out and ELO was in. Motörhead is a sure-fire in next round as people feel we're underrepresenting metal. I personally am not in favor of Neil Diamond, but it seems like some feel that we need more early and singer-songwriter presences in our Hall. ELO is the odd men out, I feel. Their situation is much like The Zombies'. They've been on the cusp for years but never seem to break through. Sure, our Hall definitely has more of a progressive presence than the real HoF, but how many symphonic rock bands do we have? The bands closest to ELO in our Hall are The Beatles and Rush.

I'm sure down the road sometime they'll be inducted, but don't give us the "it'll happen next year for sure" shtick again because it's been used before to describe ELO.

Posted by Weiner on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:34pm"

Thanks Weiner, was thinking about commenting on this until I saw your comment above, but I'm glad it was said by somebody!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:40pm


"classicrocker, do you think it was cool to post your choices and not mention ELO for your vote total? If I was Rick and a huge ELO supporter I wouldn't be happy either when you or someone else doesn't even mention they exist in your ballot.

Gitarzan- gloating about ELO's vote totals was pretty immature as well.

To me if ELO don't get in this year, they will be right back on my ballot next year. Rick's passion is refreshing. Would love to here him pushing ELO on the Cleveland Hall's Nominating Committee at their yearly meeting to discuss nominees. After reading his posts here, I can tell you my money would be on him and on ELO getting nominated.

P.S. To me there should be no more vote changes period. Once you are locked in, you're locked in. Most are doing this.

Posted by Tom Lane on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:00pm"

Thanks for your most kind comments here Tom, this also needed to be said!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:46pm


"Rick, knock it off.

Posted by DC"

What are you my father?

And this coming from someone who stopped considering ELO for the exact same reason that Philip did, talk about childish.

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:55pm


The reaction to all of this was predictable...you started fretting about ELO's lack of votes before it was even a done deal! I didn't double check my posting for the simple reason that it's not "life or death" to me. I didn't get a vote this time...so what???? Also...yes, it's trivial! Aren't there enough frivilous lawsuits floating around without someone threatening another one??? Maybe if you're so thin-skinned and don't like people's comments on this site then maybe you should, I don't know...AVOID IT!!!! I enjoy this site (except for people like you) and I'm not going to change the way I conduct myself. If you don't like it...TOUGH!!! My comment didn't mention your name or refer to you in any way, did it? But you sure jumped on it!

Like I said before...you don't like me and I surely don't like you. I've asked you to avoid commenting to me or about me...DO IT!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 22:16pm


"Donnie - Your post is spot on about how our influences section is supposed to work. My goal was to have a section where artists from genres that predate Rock but were active after the birth of rock. This is my opinion would include Blues, Classical, Country, Folk, Gospel, Jazz and some R&B (R&B that is more in the mold of pre-Rock R&B and probably couldn't be described as a least somewhat Rock and Roll). Future acts I could see in this category would be Garth Brooks, Shania Twain and The Dixie Chicks. Where I disagree is with electronica/avant garde and Hip-Hop. To me both of these genres are apart of Rock. This is why I have yet to vote for the Silver Apples as an influence. What is different between them and Kraftwerk. My opinion is that all genres of popular music that have come after the start of the Rock Era in the mid-1950's is a from of Rock. To me Rock is describing period of music like Baroque, Classical or Romantic. I wish I could post a drawing on here where I could show what I am saying."

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 08.7.10 @ 08:08am


-------------------------------------------------

I actually share the same viewpoint as you do Gassman. I also feel that electronica and rap are offshoots of rock and roll, and I also agree that pretty much everything that has emerged after rock and roll in popular music is generally an offshoot of rock and roll in some fashion.

I don't know if you saw a post I made awhile back in which I discussed my view of music and it's evolution and rock and roll's place in the world of music. This was when everyone was discussing what they planned to do with rap.

I pretty much detailed my view that rock and roll was basically the center of 20th century music as all forms of music that predated it (except perhaps opera and classical although both genres would certainly influence future rock and roll artists) pretty much led up to rock and roll, and all forms of music that followed it were basically offshoots of rock and roll in some fashion, genres of music like metal, electronica, funk, rap, punk, and dance/pop/disco.

So you'll get no disagreement with me on your viewpoint of rap and electronica being a part of rock and roll.


However, my description of what the "Influences" category was didn't necessarily represent my personal opinion of the category, as I've stated plenty of times that I actually disagree with certain formats of the Influecnes category. My biggest one being blues artists being considered as "outside artists or crossover artists," as to me blues music is very much rock and roll. If I had it my way, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, Jimmy Reed, and John Lee Hooker, and Buddy Guy would be right in the Performers category with B.B. King and SRV and the rest of the rock and soul/R&B artists in there. Blues should not be on the outside. Not in my view, however, the majority have spoken and most blues artists are considered "outside artists" and thus represent the second type of inductee of the Influences category.

However, my description was instead based on what our category is whether I agree with it or not. When we were all discussing our stance on rap, most agreed that a few rap artists would go in as performers, rap artists who clearly had a rock influence in their sound and style, while some more straight up "rap" artists would be voted for in the Influences category. And with most people voting for the Silver Apples in the influences category, I felt that the majority of the voters here would consider rap and early electronica/avant garde to be outside of rock and roll and thus qualifying for the second type of artists we induct in the Influences category.

I don't really know much about the Silver Apples, but from what I've heard about them, then I do think the Influences category is the wrong category for them. They were a pioneer of electronica music just as Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, Can, etc. were and while I haven't seen a vote for Tangerine Dream yet, anyone voting for Kraftwerk and Can in the Performers category and then voting for the Silver Apples in the Influences category really are putting in some puzzling votes.


But most people have done that, so obviously most people view those genres as outside genres, thus, why I described it that way. I was basically speaking of what the general idea of the Influences category was, not on my own personal opinion of it. Hope that makes sense and that I cleared myself up a bit.

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 22:33pm


Tie breaker:

4-Neil Diamond
3-ELO
2-Jeff Beck
1-Motorhead

Posted by Mike W on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 22:41pm


Relax, ladies.

There is a point where campaigning and harassing others about their support for a certain group can be counterproductive. You have every right to do it, but it just may not produce the result that you are hoping for. Gitarzan's comment was clearly a lighthearted joke in relation to the passionate ELO discussions of the past weeks.

I disagree with Tom Lane when he says that that tactic would work on the real Hall's Committee for ELO. You state your case, develop your argument if others respond, and then let it stand.

And Tom, do you want some sort of quota system on our ballots? Diversity for diversity's sake doesn't mean much. I'm not going to go trolling through each genre to make sure my ballot is diverse so nobody gets their feelings hurt. I'm going to pick the seven strongest artists that I feel the most passionate about and put them all on my ballot and make the case for them. If they happen to be all hair metal, then so be it (don't worry, they won't be).

I think that one of the few things the real Hall has done very well is represent soul and R&B. R&B/soul is obviously a hugely important component to rock and roll, but it is not all there is. Are you seriously suggesting that we need to make sure to honor Dionne Warwick before we even consider The Smiths? Come on, dude.

I agree with you, Tom, on Spinners and Solomon Burke. They ought to eventually be here. And some of the others you listed. But they have no greater claim than The Smiths, Replacements or Cure. I'm going to say exactly what you accuse some of us of saying. I think that as far as soul and R&B goes, we've got the essentials. There are others that are deserving (I'm a big Hall & Oates fan, Commodores and Kool & the Gang definitely), but I think we still have more of a Metal deficit than we do R&B. We are miles ahead of the real Hall on essential 80's artists, but we still have a long way to go there too.

I will also disagree a little bit with what Gassman said. If I think a band or artist is not deserving, overrated or just not good, I will say so. That is how you have an honest, passionate discussion about music. We are all big boys. I'm not going to burst into tears if some of you guys tell me that you think Dire Straits sucks balls. You would be wrong, of course, and I would attempt to explain to you why, but you've got a right to add that to the discussion. I mean, we are all here because we have strong opinions about music. How interesting is a discussion about art of any kind if the ground rules say "you can only say nice things about the artists." Not very much depth to that discussion and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

The key here, and Gitarzan already said it, we can have strong disagreements without it getting the least bit personal. I may not do it all of the time, but I try to always address and critique the issue and the artists in question, not the person making the argument. That is a crucial distinction and explains why most of us here can disagree with each other and still remain cordial and respectful.

OK, have I disagreed with enough of you in this post? =)

Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 22:42pm


Dezmond...maybe (you notice that I said "MAYBE") they could learn something from our conversation about Mark Knopfler today...which I found to be enjoyable.

That might be asking for a miracle...?

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 22:56pm


Sure there are Soul / R&B artists who are worthy but haven't gotten in yet. Every genre is under-represented in some way or another. That's why it's a Hall Of Fame and not a Hall of Everyone Gets In.

Metal needs more representation, but that's improved with Metallica and probably Motorhead making it in recently. In the future we'll hopefully get Ozzy Osbourne (solo), Iron Maiden, and Pantera in with Slayer and Megadeth as longshots.

I also see deficiencies among the singer-songwriter genre, the hardcore punk genre and college rock.

For S-S, Leonard Cohen and Tom Waits have been consistently getting votes but falling well short. I'd also hope Warren Zevon would see more support in the future.

Hardcore punk has been almost completely overlooked. Black Flag got some early support but never really came close, Minor Threat wasn't prolific enough for consideration and I think I might be the only person to ever vote for The Dead Kennedys. Fugazi will be eligible soon, so maybe they'll be the one to get in.

British alternative artists from the late 70's, early 80's have a good track record in this hall (Cure, Smiths) relative to the actual Hall, but I don't think we can complete the American part of the equation until we get Husker Du and The Replacements into the Hall. I realize that things will even out significantly once we get to the Grunge vs. Brit-pop 90's.

There are a few more quiet years coming up where "clean-up" will be possible before the alt-rock boom of the 90's collides with the prime years of hip hop and the window closes on a lot of the older artists for good.

Also, can we please, for the love of God resolve the ELO thing in the next week or two? This petty crap from both sides of the debate is tedious.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 00:07am


Wait a minute. My post from this morning all of a sudden showed up?

What the hell? I don't know how it came back on as I didn't type it, but there you go Gassman, that's what I was trying to post this morning.

Can someone explain how this happened?

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 00:13am


Tom, I really appreciated your post on R&B. Our Hall has always been just a little bit behind the real Hall in R&B and I figured we would at least catch up during 2010-2025. But now I am startled that we haven't inducted a single R&B act in years. Like Tom said if our Hall is to be greater than the real Hall, it has to be greater in EVERY single way and R&B has been a HUGE part of the real hall. So to me if our hall is superior than the real Hall in Prog Rock and Metal and Alt-Rock but Inferior in R&B than it can't be ultimately superior to the real hall - just different. And I know we have the potential to build a superior, but I strongly believe that involves inducting several of the remaining R&B acts the Hall has PLUS many R&B acts the real Hall has so far neglected. Keep in mind, at the rate that the real Hall inducts R&B acts, by THEIR 2025 inducting ceremony they will have at least an additional 20 R&B performers. I very strongly believe that by 2025 The Marvelettes, Mary Wells, Jerry Butler, The Stylistics, Chic, Kool & the Gang, The Commodors, and War will be in the real hall.

Posted by Jonny on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 01:39am


"I don't really know much about the Silver Apples, but from what I've heard about them, then I do think the Influences category is the wrong category for them. They were a pioneer of electronica music just as Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, Can, etc. were and while I haven't seen a vote for Tangerine Dream yet, anyone voting for Kraftwerk and Can in the Performers category and then voting for the Silver Apples in the Influences category really are putting in some puzzling votes." - Donnie

Well I was one of those pushing for Silver Apples in the Influence category because I had convinced myself that's where they belong (Before I started voting for them I believe they already had votes in that category so maybe I jumped on the bandwagon a bit, unfortunately I feel bandwagon-jumping is all too common in the sideman category, see Mark Knopfler, but more on that later or if you've already read my posts on the subject you know what I'm talking about). I do believe Silver Apples should be in our Hall of Fame but you're correct about it making no sense to have Kraftwerk in our Performer category and then Silver Apples as Influences. I've changed my mind and Silver Apples will be receiving votes from me in the Performer category from now on. We need to keep our Influence category solid and not do any sort of questionable things Cleveland has done (like inducting Wanda Jackson as an Early Influence because they couldn't fit her on the Performer ballot) and this is one of the many reasons I was pushing earlier about getting Dire Straits in as Performers before we get Mark Knopfler in as a sideman. Having Silver Apples in as Influences and Mark Knopfler in as a sideman with no Dire Straits anywhere would be two very questionable things are Hall would do and for me, both of these would be two MAJOR mistakes. We've done well for the most part on this (Although there are some questionable things, Cleveland inducted Little Walter as a sideman and not as an Early Influence because they inducted Muddy Waters, whom he played for, as a Performer so it wouldn't make sense having him as an Early Influence. In contrast, we put Muddy Waters in as a an Influence so Little Walter should have been in as an Influence as well. Philip will tell you about inducting Darlene Love as a sideman) so let's avoid small things like this, ok? That's why I'm happy to see the Kingston Trio have done the switch around from the Performer category to the Influence category. It wouldn't make much sense having the Weavers in as Influences and the Kingston Trio in as Performers would it? I know this is a bit hypocritical coming from the guy who initially voted for the Kingston Trio as Performers but from the get-go I had my doubts about this and well, nobody's perfect lol.

And Weinar, good job on Oingo Boingo, I've added them to my queue. Oh and I'm sorry if anyone was offended about my comment how "there aren't going to be any losers in this tiebreaker." Because from our history, we have yet to fail to induct a single artist who was in a tiebreaker who kept missing the cut (so far it took the Mamas and the Papas the longest but they eventually got in). ELO will get in, no doubts about it. It may take until 2012 or maybe even 2013 but they'll get in. I don't think I'll be able to support them quite next year but after that it's very likely I will if they're not in by that point yet. It depends on how some of these acts I've been pushing for do since a lot of them have been receiving very little votes (see the Zombies, etc) but I will be supporting ELO sometime soon, hope that's at least some reassurance, though doesn't seem like it's going to be.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 02:49am


And in terms of more R&B/soul, I think it's only a matter of time until we get Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers, Solomon Burke and the Spinners in. I have been pushing for Solomon Burke for a few years now and I will continue to do so next year as I feel he's crucial to have in our Hall.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 02:54am


Tahvo,

Yeah I'm in firm agreement that it would be a shame for Mark Knopfler to get in as a sidemen before the Dire Straits do as a band. While I'm sure Mark Knopfler has done plenty of session work and makes for an interesting candidate, I think we as a group need to make sure that our inductees are being acknowledged (by being inducted) for their biggest and most memorable contributions to music, basically what they are best known for. And when the history books are written (well there's already plenty of rock history books, but you know what I mean lol), Mark Knopfler will be best remembered as a great guitar player and the leader of the Dire Straits, not as a guy who played guitar on a bunch other people's albums and a sometimes producer. A lot of people I think feel that any induction cuts the mustard, just as long as they're in, but for the most part, I'm not a fan of that ideaology (sp?) and I would rather be accurate and get someone inducted for their biggest contributions and by which category they best go under.

I wouldn't have a problem if Knopfler got in at some point as a sidemen, but I think that's doing a disservice not only to Mark Knopfler but to the hundreds of other great musicians who are worthy but also don't have the name recognition that Mark Knopfler does. By inducting Mark Knopfler as a sideman, we're taking away the chance of acknowleding other musicians who won't ever stand a chance as a performer or non-performer and whose only chance of induction is in the sidemen category.

I haven't voted for Dire Straits yet, and I don't know that I will anytime soon, but I would support their induction as a Performer, certainly over Mark Knopfler as a sideman.


The Kingston Trio are a complicated case, because to me they're one of the few artists in which there really isn't a clear cut category for them. They were around during the rock era so I can see a strong case being made for them as a Performer. Folk music to me isn't really that "outside" of a genre from rock and roll as both musics share similar qualities (a major musical basis around the guitar and witty meaningful lyrics for example). The Kingston Trio though were more pure folk rather than folk rock though, so I can see a case for them either way, which is why it's been so difficult to get them inducted. They're an artist who is worthy of either category.

I do want to vote for the Zombies soon (if Neil Diamond makes it in, I might go for the Zombies as my next '60s act), however I've been pushing more for Neil Diamond as to me he's more worthy due to having a much longer, prolific career, and because he is a bigger name act and more of a legend. Even though the Zombies do predate Neil by a couple of years (when it comes to noteworthy work). But if we can get Neil Diamond in, I may move back to the British Invasion. I'll probably push for the Zombies before the Hollies. Because while the Hollies had a longer, more enduring career, with the exception of "The Air That I Breathe," I don't think the Hollies ever made anything as good as some of the Zombies' best work, nor do I think they were as influential. The Zombies to me were just a better overall band, so when I decide to go back to British Invasion acts, the Zombies will be my next choice.


As for Oingo Boingo, sorry they will not be on my queue. Yes they gave the world Danny Elfman (a great contribution indeed), but even that's not enough for them to get me to vote for them as a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame group. There are plenty of '80s acts who are bigger legends and better overall acts. Sorry to any Oingo Boingo fans :/

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 03:19am


I echo Tom Lane's sentiments that about finding our R&B voting trend to be disturbing.

Yes we're lacking in other genres as well, but to go three straight classes without a single R&B act to me is a shame, plain and simple.


The Spinners have been close for the last 5-6 classes, and Solomon Burke and even Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers are starting to build momentum, but I think it's starting to get a bit worrisome that we're not making any progress on R&B. I don't think that every single R&B group should be inducted, but we do have plenty of movers and shakers in the world of R&B that need their due.


I really hope come next class we don't go a 4th year without an R&B/soul act.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 03:22am


4 pts. Neil Diamond
3 pts. Jeff Beck
2 pts. Motorhead
1 pt. ELO

Posted by Matt Love on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 03:26am


"I wouldn't have a problem if Knopfler got in at some point as a sidemen, but I think that's doing a disservice not only to Mark Knopfler but to the hundreds of other great musicians who are worthy but also don't have the name recognition that Mark Knopfler does. By inducting Mark Knopfler as a sideman, we're taking away the chance of acknowleding other musicians who won't ever stand a chance as a performer or non-performer and whose only chance of induction is in the sidemen category." - Donnie

Exactly. This gives me a good excuse to highlight some names who I think would be well-suited to the sideman category who if people are having trouble finding spots for should check out:

The Andantes
A prolific female session singing group for the Motown record label during the 1960s. Comprising Jackie Hicks, Marlene Barrow, and Louvain Demps, the group sang background vocals on numerous Motown recordings, including songs by Martha Reeves & the Vandellas, The Temptations, Stevie Wonder, The Four Tops, Jimmy Ruffin, Edwin Starr, The Supremes, Marvin Gaye, among others, along with the occasional non-Motown recording (Jackie Wilson's hit "Whispers (Gettin' Louder)" being one example). Barrow also substituted for Florence Ballard of The Supremes in concert on several occasions. The Andantes provided back-up singing on Motown singles starting in 1962. The Andantes were most prominently used on all of the Four Tops' Holland–Dozier–Holland-produced hits, including "Baby I Need Your Loving", "I Can't Help Myself (Sugar Pie Honey Bunch)", "Reach Out I'll Be There", and more. The Andantes were used as vocal substitutes for Mary Wilson and Cindy Birdsong on many of The Supremes' recordings done in 1968 and 1969. They were also called upon to overdub and smooth out The Marvelettes' background vocals records (wikipedia)

Kenny Aronoff
Who he's done work for pretty much speaks for itself: "In the mid-1980s, Kenny began to develop an enormously successful career as a studio musician, playing on hundreds of records as well as touring worldwide with many artists. Aronoff has recorded with musicians such as Tony Iommi, John Mellencamp, The Smashing Pumpkins, Bob Seger, John Fogerty, Melissa Etheridge, Jon Bon Jovi, Elton John, Bob Dylan, Rod Stewart, Alanis Morissette, The Rolling Stones, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Puddle of Mudd, Avril Lavigne, Joe Cocker, B. B. King, Mick Jagger, Ray Charles, Alice Cooper, The BoDeans, Meat Loaf, Bonnie Raitt, Ricky Martin, Santana, Trey Anastasio, GB Leighton, Michelle Branch, Vince Gill, Gladys Knight, Aaron Neville, Trisha Yearwood, Patti LaBelle, George Jones, Conway Twitty, The Buddy Rich Big Band, Jefferson Airplane, Jason Sadites, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Alex Band, Johnny Cash."

Jackie Brenston
A session musician for Ike Turner (and later Lowell Fulson) whose lead vocals on Ike Turner's "Rocket 88" is considered by many to be the "world's first rock and roll song."

Del Casher
An early session guitarist in rock and roll history who invented the wah-wah pedal "A type of guitar effects pedal that alters the tone of the signal to create a distinctive effect, intended to mimic the human voice. The pedal sweeps the peak response of a filter up and down in frequency to create the sound (spectral glide), also known as "the wah effect." From wikipedia: "His many innovations include the Wah-wah pedal, which changed the course of rock and roll, the Ecco-Fonic, and later the solid state Fender Electronic Echo Chamber. He was the first to introduce the [Roland Guitar synthesizer for the Roland Corporation, founder Ikutaro Kakehashi,
Because of Del Casher, the movie music for the film SHAFT by Isaac Hayes as well as music by Jimi Hendrix and Frank Zappa has been a huge success."

Jesse Ed Davis
From my 2009 vote for him: A very talented guitarist who worked with some of the biggest names in jazz, rock & roll (most notably), blues and country in his remarkable career. He had three solo albums himself but his greatest legacy lies in his influential session work.

Stuart Hamm
"An American bass guitar player, known for his session and live work with numerous artists as well for his unconventional playing style and solo recordings...Hamm has performed and recorded with Steve Vai, Frank Gambale, Joe Satriani and many other well-respected guitarists. It was playing live on tour with Satriani that brought Hamm's skills to national attention. Subsequent recordings with Satriani and other rock/fusion artists, along with the release of his own solo recordings (featuring a.o. keyboard player Tommy Mars), solidified his reputation as a bassist and performer...Hamm's slapping, popping and two-handed tapping techniques are demonstrated on his solo recordings as well as in his instructional videos"
Chris Spedding
(Taken right off from wikipedia) English rock and roll and jazz guitarist, best known for his session work. Allmusic states - "Spedding is one of the UK's most versatile session guitarists, and has had a long career on two continents that saw him tackle nearly every style of rock and roll, as well as sporadically attempting a solo career. The fact that he never quite broken through to stardom, except in his native England and parts of Europe, and in professional music circles, is more a result of bad timing and worse luck than any lack of talent or commitment on his part." He's worked with Andy Fraser, Roxy Music, John Cale, Elton John, Bryan Ferry, Brian Eno, Jack Bruce, Nick Mason and Tom Waits among others.

The Sweet Inspirations
(wikipedia again, sorry but they have really good condensed knowledge on these ladies) The original backup group that was so in demand among producers, publishers, artists, and songwriters in the early '60's included Doris Troy and the two Warwick sisters, with both Doris and Dionne enjoying solo careers with hits ("Just One Look" and "Don’t Make Me Over" respectively) in 1963. At that time, Sylvia Shemwell (sister of Judy Clay) replaced Doris; while Cissy Houston took over from Dionne, with Dee Dee Warwick as the group’s official leader. The group sang backup for many stars, including Wilson Pickett, Solomon Burke, Esther Phillips and Aretha Franklin. Dee Dee left in 1965, when her solo career began to take off. She was replaced by Myrna Smith. Estelle Brown joined the team soon after, and the line-up that was to become an Atlantic recording group was set.
In a recording session on March 28, 1967, The Sweet Inspirations provided the back up vocals for Van Morrison on his classic hit "Brown Eyed Girl". It was released in June 1967 and rose to #8 on the Billboard Hot 100 charts.[1] In October 2007, Morrison was awarded a Million-Air certificate by BMI for 8 million air plays of "Brown Eyed Girl".

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 03:48am


Jim Horn
"An American saxophonist and woodwind player. He was born in Los Angeles, and after replacing saxophonist Steve Douglas in 1959, he toured with member Duane Eddy for five years, playing sax and flute on the road, and in the recording studio.[1] Along with Bobby Keys and Jim Price he became one of the most in-demand horn session players of the 1970s and 1980s.
Horn played on solo albums by three members of the Beatles, and worked on a session with Paul McCartney, who was producing a track for Duane Eddy's 1987 album project. Jim Horn also toured with John Denver on and off from late 1978 to early 1993. He also played with Denver in concert occasionally before and after the 1995 wildlife concert.
Horn also played flute and saxophone on the The Beach Boys' album Pet Sounds." If you go to his wikipedia page and see who he's played for it's pretty much a who's who of important names at the time.

Hi Rhythm Section
"The Hi Rhythm Section was most notably the house band for hit soul albums by several artists, including Al Green and Ann Peebles, on Willie Mitchell's Hi Records label in the 1970s. The band included the three Hodges brothers, Charles Hodges (organ), Leroy Hodges (bass), and Mabon "Teenie" Hodges (guitar), together with drummer Howard Grimes (or Stax Records legend Al Jackson, Jr. on most singles until his death in 1975). Many recordings also used The Memphis Horns - Wayne Jackson and Andrew Love - of Stax fame, usually with Willie's brother James Mitchell arranging. The recordings were made at producer Willie Mitchell's Royal Recording Studio in Memphis, Tennessee."

Chris Spedding
(Taken right off from wikipedia) English rock and roll and jazz guitarist, best known for his session work. Allmusic states - "Spedding is one of the UK's most versatile session guitarists, and has had a long career on two continents that saw him tackle nearly every style of rock and roll, as well as sporadically attempting a solo career. The fact that he never quite broken through to stardom, except in his native England and parts of Europe, and in professional music circles, is more a result of bad timing and worse luck than any lack of talent or commitment on his part." He's worked with Andy Fraser, Roxy Music, John Cale, Elton John, Bryan Ferry, Brian Eno, Jack Bruce, Nick Mason and Tom Waits among others.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 03:54am


Woops, didn't mean to post Chris Spedding twice

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 03:56am


Would you guys consider Tower of Power to be more of performers or sidemen? We say that we need more R&B, soul, and jazz acts...

Posted by Weiner on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 04:18am


My tiebreqaker votes:

4 - ELO
3 - Jeff Beck
2 - Motorhead
1 - Neil Diamond

As for the recent ELO 'controversy', I would hope that no one is childish enough to be manipulating votes to keep an act they personally don't care for out just to spite someone. That would be the definition of a dick move, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 05:39am


Paul in KY...I really don't think anyone is trying to do that, what I DO think is that it's paranoia coming through at it's very worst and someone taking all of this way too seriously. Besides, it's way too easy for the Web Adm. to see if it came from the same computer.

It all stems from an overzealous fan being a little over the edge of good sense...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 06:10am


To Weiner

I would place Tower of Power in the sideman Catergory because they have performed with several musical acts over the years.

I don't recall which artist, but I know they performed along side with Huey Lewis & The News during the 1980's.

Posted by Kyle on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 06:27am


Donnie - One time I had a post that the website thought was spam and Future Rock Legends was able to get it posted on here. That is probably what happens.

Dezmond - I understand where you are coming from and I wish that was the case. There are just too many people on here that get way too touchy. You can say what ever you want, but please just keep it respectfull. I have had enough of these cat fights.

To everyone - I am sick of this back and forth over ELO. It is getting really annoying and petty. I am ending now, next person who continues the arguement loses their voting rights for one period. I am sorry, but this is driving me nuts! You make thoughtful and detailed posts on to why or why not you think they should get in, but no more back and forth.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 07:09am


I mentioned The Andantes some time ago,but the comment fell on deaf ears . They DEFINATELY deserve induction in the sidemen category.

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 07:40am


To put mediocre Rock acts in , while leaving out bonifide R&B superstars and legends over and over is indeed a travesty, a trend that I hope will be reversed soon.

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 07:45am


Bill G. - Do you have your James Brown & The Famous Flames write up done yet? I would like to get that soon so we can start next year. Thanks!

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 07:59am


Sam - After listening to both Badmotorfinger and Superunknow today, I am changing my position on Soundgarden. I previously held the position that they should wait until Nirvana got in. Yet I have come to the realization that they really aren't grunge. They are more alt-metal and they were labled grunge because they came from Seattle. They will be getting a vote from me in 2012 along with Guns N' Roses and Beastie Boys (25 years after License to Ill).

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 09:19am


Bill G., who is in our Hall that is "mediocre?" Also, and I am sincerely curious, who are some of your favorite non-R&B artists?

Posted by Dezmond on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 09:40am


My 2009 tiebreaker votes...

Electric Light Orchestra-4
Jeff Beck Group-3
Motörhead-2
Neil Diamond-1

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 09:58am


Has the tiebreaker closed? Or will it close in 3 hours?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 10:15am


Tahvo - You are right it should have closed like a half hour ago. I have been getting confused about what time I am setting as deadlines. I set the time to the Eastern Time Zone as it is the most offical, at least in the US, even though I live in the central. I am currently in Europe so I am 7 hours ahead of home but 6 hours ahead of the Eastern Time Zone. So when I said it would close today at noon I was thinkin noon Central. I am just going to let it go to 1pm Eastern/12 Central. Hope that is okay with everyone.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 10:30am


Fine with me!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 10:32am


Tie breaker voting is closed!

Joining Jethro Tull, Run-D.M.C., The Smiths and Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble is:

Jeff Beck
Neil Diamond
Motörhead

Here are the final vote totals:

Jeff Beck 80

Gassman 4
Darren 1
Dezmond 4
Greg F. 1
KXB 3
DC 3
The_Claw 4
DarinRG 3
Obutiy 4
Tom Lane 2
Tahvo Parvianen 3
Classicrocker 3
Jonny 2
Sam 3
BSLO 2
Ray 2
Brain 3
Darrin A 1
Phillip 2
Kyle 3
Zepulon Pike 4
Steve Z 1
Dr. W 2
Casper 4
Lax27 2
Weiner 2
Donnie 1
Mike W 2
Matt Love 3
Paul in KY 3
Rick Vendl II 3

Neil Diamond 79

Gassman 2
Darren 2
Dezmond 2
Greg F. 2
KXB 2
DC 4
The_Claw 1
DarinRG 2
Obuity 1
Tom Lane 3
Tahvo Parvianen 4
Classicrocker 4
Jonny 4
Sam 1
BSLO 1
Ray 1
Brain 4
Darrin A 4
Phillip 4
Kyle 1
Zepulon Pike 3
Steve Z 3
Dr. W 3
Casper 3
Lax27 1
Weiner 1
Donnie 4
Mike W 4
Matt Love 4
Paul in KY 1
Rick Vendl II 1

Electric Light Orchestra 75

Gassman 1
Darren 4
Dezmond 1
Greg F. 3
KXB 1
DC 1
The_Claw 2
DarinRG 1
Obuity 2
Tom Lane 4
Tahvo Parvianen 2
Classicrocker 1
Jonny 3
Sam 2
BSLO 3
Ray 3
Brain 1
Darrin A 3
Phillip 3
Kyle 4
Zepulon Pike 1
Steve Z 4
Dr. W 1
Casper 1
Lax27 4
Weiner 4
Donnie 3
Mike W 3
Matt Love 1
Paul in KY 4
Rick Vendl II 4

Motörhead 78

Gassman 3
Darren 3
Dezmond 3
Greg F. 4
KXB 4
DC 2
The_Claw 3
DarinRG 4
Obuity 3
Tom Lane 1
Tahvo Parvianen 1
Classicrocker 2
Jonny 1
Sam 4
BSLO 4
Ray 4
Brain 2
Darrin A 2
Phillip 1
Kyle 2
Zepulon Pike 2
Steve Z 2
Dr. W 4
Casper 2
Lax27 3
Wiener 3
Donnie 2
Mike W 1
Matt Love 2
Paul in KY 2
Rick Vendl II 2

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:10am


To Future Rock Legends:

Run DMC should be posted as Run-D.M.C.

Thanks!

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:21am


Voting is now open for 2010!

Here are the most likey candidates that were first eligible in 2010:

Nick Cave
The Cult
The Flaming Lips
Whitney Houston
The Jesus and The Mary Chain
LL Cool J
Pet Shop Boys
The Pogues
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Sade
Soul Asylum

Here are those that are still eligible:

1986

The “5” Royals
Johnny Ace
Paul Anka
Little Anthony & The Imperials
Joan Baez
Lavern Baker
Harry Belafonte
Bobby ‘Blue’ Bland
Pat Boone
The Big Bopper
Dave Brubeck
Solomon Burke
Jerry Butler
Freddy Cannon
The Chantels
Cubby Checker
Petula Clark
Patsy Cline
Ornette Coleman
John Coltrane
Bing Crosby
King Curtis & His Noble Knights
Danny & The Juniors
Miles Davis
Eric Dolphy
Bill Evans
Ella Fitzgerald
The Five Keys
Connie Francis
Serge Gainsbourg
Stan Getz
Dizzy Gillespie
The Five Saints
The Flamingos
Annette Funicello
The Harptones
Johnny Hallyday
Herbie Hancock
John Lee Hooker
Wanda Jackson
Jan & Dean
Little Willie John
George Jones
Carole King
King Curtis & His Noble Knights
The Kingston Trio
Brenda Lee
Peggy Lee
Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers
Charles Mingus
Thelonious Monk
The Moonglows
Charlie Parker
Junior Parker
The Penguins
Gene Pitney
Ester Phillips
Lloyd Price
Jimmy Reed
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Cliff Richard & The Shadows
Sonny Rollins
Neil Sedaka
Jack Scott
Del Shannon
Nina Simone
Frank Sinatra
Huey “Piano” Smith and The Clowns
Big Mamma Thornton
Big Joe Turner
The Tokens
Conway Twitty
The Ventures
Billy Ward & The Dominos
Muddy Waters
Mary Wells
Chuck Willis


1987

Judy Collins
Lee Dorsey
Ben E. King
Slim Harpo
The Marvelettes
Willie Nelson
Paul Revere & The Raiders
Nancy Sinatra
The Spinners
Mary Wells

1988

Glen Campbell
Lou Christie
Bobby Fuller Four
Albert King
The Kingsmen
Patti LaBelle
Little Eva
Peter, Paul & Mary
Tommy Roe
Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs
The Surfaris
Booker T. & The M.G.’s

1989

Paul Butterfield Blues Band
The Chiffons
The Crystals
Darlene Love
Loretta Lynn
Manfred Mann
Dolly Parton
Righteous Brothers
The Ronettes
The Searchers
Rufus Thomas
Dionne Warwick

1990

Marianne Faithfull
The Hollies
Johnny Rivers
The Shadows of Knight
Them
Waylon Jennings
The Zombies

1991

John Cale
Albert Collins
The Spencer Davis Group
The Dells
The Guess Who
Merle Haggard
Herman’s Hermits
Tom Jones
John Mayall & The Blues Breakers
Randy Newman
Nico
Boz Scaggs
The Shangri-Las
The Sonics
Sonny & Cher
Lovin’ Spoonful
Boz Scaggs
Edwin Starr
Joe Tex
The Turtles
Junior Walker & The All-Stars
Junior Wells

1992

13th Floor Elevators
The Association
The Blues Project
Captain Beefheart
Tim Buckley
Jim Croce
Tim Hardin
Tommy James & The Shondells
Love
Toots & The Maytals
Mitch Ryder
Percy Sledge
The Small Faces
Cat Stevens
The Troggs
Scott Walker
? & The Mysterians

1993

The 5th Dimension
The Amboy Dukes
The Box Tops
Canned Heat
Jimmy Cliff
Leonard Cohen
Country Joe & The Fish
Buddy Guy
Fairport Convention
Moby Grape
Harry Nilsson
Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
Laura Nyro
Gram Parsons
Procol Harum
The Soft Machine
Ten Years After
Vanilla Fudge
Bobby Womack
Tammy Wynette

1994

Blood, Sweet & Tears
Blue Cheer
Can
Caravan
The Delfonics
Dr. John
The Flamin’ Groovies
Free
Emmylou Harris
George Harrison
Iron Butterfly
Steve Miller Band
Johnny Nash
Quicksilver Messenger Service
The Sir Douglas Quintet
Spirit
Steppenwolf

1995

Blind Faith
The Carpenters
The Chi-Lites
Joe Cocker
John Denver
Nick Drake
The Flying Burrito Brothers
Grand Funk Railroad
Humble Pie
The James Gang
Kool & The Gang
The Meters
Mott The Hopple
Lee “Scratch” Perry
Poco
Linda Ronstadt
Slade
Three Dog Night
Van der Graaf Generator
Johnny Winter
Warren Zevon

1996

Badfinger
Jimmy Buffett
Ry Cooder
Derek & The Dominos
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
The Faces
Gentle Giant
The J. Geils Band
Hot Tuna
Mick Jagger
The Last Poets
Mountain
Diana Ross
Todd Rundgren
Gil Scott-Heron
Ringo Starr
Supertramp
Sweet
Tower of Power
UFO
Uriah Heep
ZZ Top

1997

America
The Doobie Brothers
Dr. Hook
Electric Light Orchrstra
Fela
Faust
LaBelle
Little Feet
Mahavishnu Orchrstra
Meat Loaf
Neu!
John Prine
Bonnie Raitt
REO Speedwagon
Carly Simon
Thin Lizzy
War
Wings
Steve Winwood
Bill Withers
Robert Wyatt
Yoko Ono

1998

Blue Öyster Cult
Jackson Browne
Foghat
Peter Frampton
Hall & Oats
Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes
Bette Midler
Loggings & Messina
Lou Reed
Pure Prairie League
Scorpions
Styx
Richard Thomson

1999

ABBA
The Average White Band
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
John Fogerty
Doug Sahm
The Marshal Tucker Band
Tina Turner
Tom Waits
Barry White

2000

Bad Company
The Commodores
Ian Dury and the Blockheads
Brian Eno
The Gap Band
Gloria Gaynor
Jefferson Starship
Kansas
KC & The Sunshine Band
Rufus & Chaka Khan
Donna Summer

2001

Captain & Tennille
Natalie Cole
Grace Jones
Journey
Ted Nugent
The Alan Parsons Project
Rainbow
Jonathan Richman
Sister Sledge
Television

2002

Boston
The Damned
Heart
John Mellencamp
The Modern Lovers
Gram Parker
The Runaways
Peter Tosh

2003

The Buzzcocks
Cameo
Chic
The Jam
Teddy Pendergrass
Iggy Pop
Suicide
George Thorogood & The Destroyers
Throbbing Gristle
Village People
Wire
XTC

2004
The Birthday Party
Black Flag
Kate Bush
The Cramps
Crass
Devo
Dire Straits
The Fall
Gang Of Four
The Human League
Joe Jackson
Rick James
Chaka Khan
Los Lobos
Magazine
Midnight Oil
Misfits
Pere Ubu
Public Image Ltd.
Siouxsie & The Banshees
Squeeze
Steel Pulse
Stiff Little Finger
The Undertones
The Wipers
X
2005

Bryan Adams
The B-52's
Pat Benatar
The Dead Kennedys
Def Leppard
Dexys Midnight Runners
Echo and the Bunnymen
Iron Maiden
Rickie Lee Jones
The Psychedelic Furs
Simple Minds
The Specials
Sugarhill Gang
Twisted Sister
Lucinda Williams
“Weird Al” Yankovic

2006

Afrika Bambaataa
The Go-Go’s
INXS
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
Huey Lewis & The News
Ozzy Osbourne
Treacherous Three

2007

The Bengals
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Hüsker Dü
Billy Idol
Meat Puppets
Ministry
Minor Threat
Mötley Crüe
The Replacements
Venom

2008
Beastie Boys
Cocteau Twins
Culture Club
Steve Earle
Don Henley
Ice-T
Janet Jackson
Sting
Violent Femmes

2009

Anthrax
Bon Jovi
Billy Bragg
Butthole Surfers
Frankie Goes To Hollywood
Cyndi Lauper
Pantera
Pulp
Queensrÿche
Slayer
Social Distortion
Suicidal Tendencies

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:27am


My votes, with the reasoning coming later!

Performers

The B-52s
Jimmy Cliff
Dire Straits
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Iron Maiden
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Zombies

Non Performers

Tom Donahue
Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfel

Influences

The Kingston Trio
Ravi Shankar

Sidemen

Jim Horn

Sam "The Man" Taylor - Was the sax player on the orginal "Shake, Rattele and Roll" by Big Joe Turner, "Money Honey" by The Drifters and "Sh-Boom" by The Chords. Also he was the band leader for Alan Freed's "Camel Rock 'n Roll Dance Party"

Yes - To the new voting rule

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:36am


The truth of the matter is that Grunge was a media created genre that lumped together bands of many different genres connected only by geographic location. Pearl Jam's sound is the closest to what people think of when they think of Grunge, but the other bands fit neatly into pre-existing genres.

Nirvana = Punk
Soundgarden / Alice In Chains = Metal
Stone Temple Pilots = Classic Rock
Smashing Pumpkins / Nine Inch Nails = Industrial

It's really a genre that existed more as a description of alt music at the time than any specific type of music.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:40am


We are also voting on this rule about voting:

"One can only change their votes during the first 24 hours of voting or within the hour that they vote"

Also voting will close on Saturday August 14th at 3pm Eastern.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:40am


Performers:

Solomon Burke
Let's get him in this year!

Jimmy Cliff
We need more reggae in the Performer category. This is the year Cleveland inducted Jimmy Cliff so let's get him in very soon.

Dire Straits
Sorry if I sound repetitive and I'll really try to not mention this again but just in case people missed my prior posts, I'm more than a bit concerned to see the amount of votes Mark Knopfler's been receiving in the sideman category. I don't have a problem with him getting in as a sideman but it should happen AFTER he gets in as a Performer with his band Dire Straits, getting him in as a sideman first not only doesn't give him the credit he deserves, but will likely ruin his chances to get in with Dire Straits (not to mention discrediting his bandmates). Don't feel you have to vote for him as a sideman because you don't think Dire Straits have a shot in the Performer category, if all those you voted for him as a sideman would vote for his band as Performers, Dire Straits would probably get in within the next two years. The sideman category is first and foremost for legendary session players who backed up other legendary artists on their critical recordings. NOT for a talented guitarist to get in just because people falsely believe he doesn't have a chance in the Performer category and because they recognize his name, don’t follow the herd, vote responsibly! If you have trouble finding other sidemen to vote for just see my post from a few hours ago (Kenny Aronoff, Del Casher, The Andantes, Jesse Ed Davis, the Sweet Inspirations, Chris Spedding, Jim Horn, etc). Also, if you want to see why I've been pushing for Dire Straits, please read my post towards the bottom of their page on this website, it pretty much summarizes how I feel about them and I don't think I quite need to post it again! Like I said, if you appreciate Mark Knopfler's accomplishments please try and support him as a Performer before pushing for him as a sideman as inductees should go first in the category they most belong.

Electric Light Orchestra
I would like to see ELP and Procol Harum get in first, but I may just as well stop beating around the bush. I said I would vote for them, so here I am doing it.

Silver Apples
I have been consistently voting for them in the Influence category but I changed my mind. They belong as Performers no doubt. If we're going to induct Kraftwerk as Performers, then this very influential and innovative electronic and pre-krautrock band should go in as Performers as well.

Sparks
One of rock's greatest secrets, Sparks are probably one of the most influential bands that far too little people have heard of.

The Zombies
I said it before and I'll say it again, among the last great British Invasion bands we should induct and a pretty notable 60s omission for us. I've outlined their influence and innovation many times already so I don't think I need to remind people again this year.


Non-Performers:

Tom Donahue
Agree with what others have said, let's get him in!

Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfeld
These guys organized Woodstock. Enough said.


Influences:

The Kingston Trio
One of the most influential folk bands of all time.

Eddie Lang
The "Father of the Jazz guitar."


Sidemen:

The Andantes
One of the most prolific female backing vocal groups of all time. Worked with pretty much everyone on the Motown label and more than a few who weren't on the label including: Martha & The Vandellas, the Supremes, Marvin Gaye, Jackie Wilson, the Temptations, the Four Tops, Stevie Wonder, Jimmy Ruffin and Edwin Starr among others.

Jim Horn
See my posts on him earlier today! One of the most in-demand horn session players of the 70s and 80s. Played with pretty much everybody so I won't redo the list. Check him out on Wikipedia if I've struck your curiosity!


Yes to the new voting rule

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:42am


Here is my ballot:

Thin Lizzy
Sade
Iron Maiden
Styx
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Cat Stevens
Bobby Womack

Non Performer: Donna Halper
Red Beard

Early Influence: John Coltrane, Miles Davis

Sideman: I can't think of any.

Posted by George on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:44am


My 2010 votes for induction into Rock Hall Revisited...

Performers

Electric Light Orchestra
The Spinners
George Harrison
Phil Collins
Buckner & Garcia
The Doobie Brothers
The Alan Parsons Project

Non-Performers

Don Arden
Reinhold Mack

Early Influences

Lena Horne
Kurt Weill & Maxwell Anderson

Side-Men

Daryl Stuermer
Jim Horn (Also played on Jeff Lynne's solo debut album Armchair Theatre in 1990!)

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:50am


My vote for 2010

Performers:

Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Afrika Bambaatta
The Flaming Lips
Esther Phillips
Iron Maiden
Kate Bush
Can

Non-performers:

Nickolas Ashford & Valerie Simpson
Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfeld

Influences:

The Kingston Trio
Mississippi John Hurt

Sidemen:

Marc Benno
The Dixie Flyers

Yes to the rule change

Posted by Greg F. on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:50am


Darren - I agree with you on Grunge being more of a media creation, but there are still are some musical connections between the bands. There are a bunch of STP songs that sound a like Nirvana songs.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:54am


2010 Votes and Musings:

PERFORMERS:

Dire Straits:
Glad to see the Dire Straits push. Hopefully we can get them in. There has been much discussion lately regarding Mark Knopfler’s guitar work, and justly so. He brought Chet Atkins-fingerpicking style into mainstream rock, and there is no guitarist with more style and grace. Dire Straits arrived in the late 70’s, but were very much outside the trends. They weren’t punk, they were disco, they weren’t New Wave. They were just a solid pub band with an extraordinarily gifted leader in writer/guitarist/singer Mark Knopfler. Dire Straits developed into one of the biggest bands of the 80’s, and broke some ground in videos and digital recording. But in the end, they made outstanding records that dabbled in everything from pub rock to hard rock to country to prog (listen to some of the stuff on ‘Love Over Gold’). ‘Making Movies’ is one of the most beloved records ever released in Britain.

Devo:
Much more than the one hit wonder or novelty act many people think they are. Pioneers of New Wave, their debut record is one of the greatest records of that genre. Their influence has grown over the years.

Jackson Browne:
Along with James Taylor, Browne exemplifies the 70’s singer-songwriter genre. His 70’s records are outstanding, and so it is time to get this icon of the singer-songwriter genre in the Hall. He is one of our more embarrassing omissions at this point.

Randy Newman:
Other than Bob Dylan, I think that Randy Newman is our most gifted singer-songwriter storyteller in popular music. His way of completely inhabiting some of the more seedy characters that he creates is unparalleled. He has inspired and emboldened other daring songwriters who choose to write songs in character vs. just about themselves.

Duran Duran:
Critically dismissed during their peak in the 80’s, it is good to see that DD has gained some respectability over the decades and continue to put out music. They deserve it. Their pretty boy/pin-up popularity often overshadowed some excellent and daring pop music in the 80’s, deftly combining influences such as Bowie, T. Rex and Roxy Music. In hindsight, DD was responsible for some truly superior pop music, with ‘Rio’ standing out as a classic album of that decade. Also often overlooked is that Andy Taylor and John Taylor are both excellent musicians.

John Mellencamp:
Once disregarded as a poor man’s Springsteen, John “Cougar” Mellencamp finally found his own voice in the mid-80’s. ‘The Lonesome Jubilee’ stands as one of the best combination of rock elements with acoustic and folk instrumentation. As big as it was, I think it is still way underrated. Mellencamp also gets kudos for organizing Farm-Aid with Willie Nelson.

Kool & the Gang:
OK, OK. I agree. We need some more R&B/Soul. It was toss-up between Spinners, Solomon Burke, the Commodores and these guys. But I decided to go with The Gang.

SIDEMEN:

Kenny Aronoff

Jim Horn

NON-PERFORMERS:

Daniel Lanois

Robert ‘Mutt’ Lange

INFLUENCES:

Sonny Boy Williamson (II)

Freddie King

As strongly as Bill G. and Tom Lane feel about their R&B/Soul, I feel that we need to continue to induct important Blues artists as Influences.

Posted by Dezmond on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:57am


George - Both John Coltrane and Miles Davis are already inducted as influence. We have everything listed at the way top. Also if you can't think of any sidem men you should look at the vote getters for last year and look them up on wikipedia or somewhere else online.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 12:00pm


"We are also voting on this rule about voting:

One can only change their votes during the first 24 hours of voting or within the hour that they vote"

Also voting will close on Saturday August 14th at 3pm Eastern.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:40am"

Forgot about that in my 2010 votes comment...

I vote yea to this rule change!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 12:00pm


Dezmond - John Mellencamp and Jackson Browne are very close to getting my vote.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 12:08pm


I'm changing my vote for The Flaming Lips to Silver Apples.

Posted by Greg F. on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 12:10pm


Performers- Solomon Burke, Wanda Jackson, Iron Maiden, Gram Parsons, Robert Plant, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Barry White.

Posted by KXB on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 12:14pm


Performers:

Scott Walker - From the beginning Scott has stood out. He was one of the first to use the electric bass and was doing session work in LA before he was 20. In the 60s he formed The Walker Brothers who had a bigger European fan club than The Beatles! From there he came up with a unique sound that blended Phil Spector's "wall of sound" with orchestrations and released killer albums that influenced the likes of David Bowie, Brian Eno, Bryan Ferry, Sting, Bono and Radiohead. Rolling Stone.com says- "The ultimate cult artist, it is hard to think of another American who had such an impact on rock music as a whole while being almost completely unknown to his countrymen as Scott Walker." Bowie is quoted as saying "Scott Walker is the original avant-garde crooner." If you doubt any of this I suggest you check out Scott Walker 30 Century Man.

Sparks - Another unappreciated and very very influential act is the duo of Ron & Russell Mael known as Sparks. They became semi-well known in the early 70s in London where a band called Queen opened for them at the Marquee.
Their sound was described as a cross between the Mothers of Invention and The Monkees and is credited for forming the basis for what was later known as "new wave." In the late 70s they teamed up with Giorgio Moroder and released an extremely influential album called "Number One In Heaven" which set the standard for 80s synthpop. Bands like Depeche Mode, New Order and Pet Shop Boys have cited Sparks as a direct influence. Their lyrical wittiness is unparalleled. Bjork and Morrissey have said it was Sparks who inspired them to go into music as their careers. Also influenced the Go-Gos, and Duran Duran. It's nice to see support starting to build as awareness dawns that the various groups we have already inducted have Sparks to thank for blazing the trail.

Manfred Mann - Regarding the British Invasion, I wanted to explain why I feel Manfred Mann stands out compared to most others. I feel that any British Invasion act that hit #1 in 1964 should be in the Hall Of Fame because such acts are the equivalent of frontline warriors in an invasion that changed the face of Rock & Roll forever! The only other acts from the UK besides The Beatles to hit #1 before Manfred Mann were The Tornadoes in 1962 with "Telstar" and The Animals with "House Of The Rising Sun" which beat Manfred's "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" by just a few weeks. From 1964 till the early 80s Manfred Mann outlasted all the other British Invasion acts for relevance except for The Rolling Stones, The Kinks and The Who. Manfred is the only person to take a Bruce Springsteen song to #1 with one of the greatest remakes of all time, "Blinded By The Light". The changes Manfred made to what the original song was reflect true pop genuis. He is also 1 of only 3 persons or groups that I know of to have #1 songs both before 1965 ("Do Wah Diddy Diddy") and after 1975 ("Blinded By The Light") which is two totally different eras!! The other 2 are Stevie Wonder ("Fingertips (part 2)" 1963 / "Sir Duke" 1977) & The Beach Boys ("I Get Around" 1964 / "Kokomo" 1988) which puts Manfred Mann in some elite company. What makes it even more remarkable is that unlike the other 2, Manfred isn't even an American! It's not dumb luck-it's true talent from a classicly trained musician who knew exactly how to combine his knowledge of classical, jazz and R&B together starting with Manfred Mann in the 60s and Manfred Mann's Earth Band in the 70s and 80s. For all those complaining about a lack of R&B you should check out "The Five Faces of Manfred Mann." It's a different approach to R&B that some guitar enthusiasts might not like because the guitar isn't the dominant instrument but still incredibly powerful. Don't ever underestimate the talent of Manfred Mann.

Emerson, Lake & Palmer - The most innovative 70s prog band with the most talented keyboard player Keith Emerson and the best technical drummer Carl Palmer. Emerson and Dr. Robert Moog were honored at The Smithsonian Institution for their "pioneering work" in electronic music. Palmer also was one of the first drummers to use a percussion synthesizer. Just as much raw intensity than any other prog band and just as much as any of the hard rock/metal bands of the time. Even over a decade later in ordinary songs like "The Final Countdown" by Europe you can hear that Emerson influence. ELP are certified innovators and also sold plenty of records, so there's no reason other than personal dislike not to vote for them. Now that Jethro Tull has been inducted there just aren't any more excuses to screw over the most talented and innovative musicians in 70s prog. I call on EVERYONE who just voted to induct Jethro Tull to now support ELP and close the door on prog.

The Carpenters - Set the standard for 70s soft rock with ballads like "We've Only Just Begun" which is one of the most popular wedding songs of all time. We have plenty of R&B, hard rock, prog rock, but we're lacking in soft rock/adult contemporary more than any other genre BY FAR. Still looking for that counterbalance to the 70s hard rocks acts like Queen, Sabbath and Kiss that we have inducted. No better choice than Richard & Karen. Still looking for the support that many pledged previously..including some who said they would support them after James Taylor was inducted.

Dire Straits - I don't agree with argument that Mark Knopfler doesn't deserve induction as a sideman. Each situation should be judged on its own merits. If somebody who thinks Dire Straits deserves induction would then decide not to vote for Dire Straits because Mark was inducted as a sideman is simply making a mistake. There is no reason Mark can't have both if he deserves both. Clapton is inducted for 3 different situations and Mark can be inducted multiple times if the situation warrants as I believe it does. Look, we've inducted 50 sidemen so far-only Charlie Daniels and now Mark are people that have had big solo careers besides their studio work. I hardly think that's a big deal as these 2 guys are exceptional talents. It's not the end of the world if 2 or 3 out of 50 or 60 sideman have big solo careers. My heart goes out to all the musicians and their families who don't receive the recgonition they deserve for long hours of toiling in recording studios only to have their names forgotten.

The Association - I feel we're lacking in straight up 60s American pop, so what better band to induct than the most versatile of them all, the Association. They were capable of doing prom rock, hard rock, party songs, bubblegum, war songs, folk rock, psychedelic and did them all as good or better than anybody else. Their harmonies were second to none. "Along Comes Mary," is one of the songs on the infamous black list because of its bad influence on youth. "Windy" is an absolute pop sing along classic. "Pandora's Golden Heebie Jeebies" is as deep a top 40 song as you'll ever hear. "Six Man Band" rocks. "Requiem For The Masses" is one if not the best war songs of the Vietnam era. They led off Monterey with "Enter The Young" a fabulous symbol of everything the 60s generation represented. "Cherish" and "Never My Love" are the best soft rock/prom rock songs of the 60s.
"Never My Love" is certified by BMI as being the 2nd most played song of the 20th century. If making the Hall Of Fame requires extrodinary accomplishments, then that certainly qualifies them. No band whatsoever had better harmonies.

The Association!


Sidemen:

Mark Knopfler - Worked for: Joan Armatrading, Chet Atkins, the Chieftains, Eric Clapton, The Dandy Warhols, Bob Dylan, Bryan Ferry, John Fogerty, Emmylou Harris, Jeff Healey, Jools Holland, Sonny Landreth, Phil Lynott, Van Morrison, Gerry Rafferty and Steely Dan as well as Randy Newman. We need more country oriented people in this category as well.

The Andantes - Tahvo describes them in very good detail so I won't repeat


Non Performers:

The Tokens - One of the first bands to transcend the traditional role of just being musicians. They went on to produce for The Chiffons and Tony Orlando. They started their own record company. They inspired many others down the road including indie artists to do the same.

Todd Rundgren - The most prolific producer of cool bands from the last 40 years. This list speaks for itself:
New York Dolls, Grand Funk Railroad, Meat Loaf, XTC, Halfnelson (before they were called Sparks),Badfinger, Hall & Oates, Patti Smith, The Tubes, Cheap Trick, The Psychedelic Furs, The Band


Early Influences:

Johann Sebastian Bach - His reputation precedes him, and it's time to include someone from the classical arena!

Ken Nordine - Quite possibly sowed the seeds of rap with his World Jazz voice over recordings of his poetry on top of cool Chicago jazz in the 50s. Most definitely a leader in the beat poetry scene of the 50s which lead to so much cool stuff later on. Ken Nordine was a big influence on Tom Waits in particular. Stiil has a radio show today even as he pushes 90 years old. Seek him out on You Tube or somewhere else if you don't know who he is or have ever heard him.

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Yes to new voting rule!

Posted by classicrocker on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 13:00pm


Performers:

Can
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
Leonard Cohen
Duran Duran
Husker Du
Silver Apples
Tom Waits

I was actually the first to cast a vote for Silver Apples in the Influence category (and credit due, Tahvo is the first that actually tried to illustrate and sell their importance), but I have no problem with moving them to the performer category. In hindsight it's the correct way to go. Also, while we're talking about under-represented genres, I'd rate us about a D- on acknowledging pioneering electronic acts. We've been resting on Kraftwerk's induction for too long and Silver Apples, Can, Suicide, Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire wold all be solid, trail blazing acts with long reaching influence for us to look at.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 13:01pm


DarinRG - Electronic acts are something that I have not given any thought to. My problem is that I won't vote for an act that I haven't heard at least one of there songs. I won't to at least have an idea of what I am voting for. Now I don't have to like it, I just need to hear what they sould like. I don't think that just because you don't like something, you should't vote for them. I will look into the ones that you and Ray listed.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 13:16pm


Fair enough, Gassman. I'd really recommend starting with Suicide's self titled debut record. Quite an amazing piece of work for the time. Other good records for introduction would be Throbbing Gristle's "20 Jazz Funk Greats", Cabaret Voltaire's "Original Sound of Sheffield 78/82" and Can's "Cannibalism 1" which is an overview of the first (and most important) phase of their career.

Also I forgot to cast my resounding YES vote for the rule change.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 13:31pm


I have always have had a preference for vocal groups...as a singer and a member of a vocal group myself. I have always admired great singers and great vocal harmony . Some of my favorite non-R&B vocal groups include : THE FOUR SEASONS (that's why I voted for them), THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS, THE BEACH BOYS, DION & THE BELMONTS, (what can I say, I'm a middle- aged guy). Great singers all . I'm heavy into 50's & 60's doo wop. I also like GINO VANNELLI,DUSTY SPRINGFIELD, TOWER OF POWER, THE KINKS,THE RASCALS, THE RIGHTEOUS BROS,HALL & OATES ,STEELY DAN and THE DOOBIE BROS.(that's just a partial list.)

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 14:12pm


Spinners
Donna Summer
Hall & Oates
Barry White
ELO
Frankie Lymon
Solomon Burke

Early
Clovers
Sonny Boy Williamson II

Non
Thom Bell & Linda Creed
Bacharach & David

Side
Kenny Aronoff
Richard Tee

Yes to rule change

Posted by Tom Lane on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 14:12pm


Here is my revised vote for Early Influence: Charlie "Bird" Parker and Edgar Varse (without him, no Zappa!)

Posted by George on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 14:13pm


"Fair enough, Gassman. I'd really recommend starting with Suicide's self titled debut record. Quite an amazing piece of work for the time. Other good records for introduction would be Throbbing Gristle's "20 Jazz Funk Greats", Cabaret Voltaire's "Original Sound of Sheffield 78/82" and Can's "Cannibalism 1" which is an overview of the first (and most important) phase of their career." - DarinRG

Great recommendations, DarinRG.
For Silver Apples, to start, I would recommend listening to "The Owl," "Ruby," "Lady and the Clown," "Walkin," "Again," and "Oscillations & Seagreen Serenades." Unfortunately I can't post multiple links on here but all the songs are on YouTube, here's "The Owl."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u647s9miou8&feature=related

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 14:29pm


Performers
1. ABBA
2. Captain Beefheart
3. Gram Parsons
4. Red Hot Chili Peppers
5. Chic
6. LaVern Baker
7. Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers

Non-Performers
1. Johnny Otis
2. Milt Gabler

Influences (Woohoo! Got both my previous influence votes inducted!)
1. The Ravens
2. The Ink Spots

Sidemen
1. Huey 'Piano' Smith
2. Sam 'The Man' Taylor

Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 14:32pm


here are my votes

performers

joan jett and the blackhearts
devo
heart
def leppard
war
steppenwolf
hall and oates

non performers

ted templeman
joel whitburn

influences

ravens
crew-cuts

sidemen

boots randolph
paul shaffer

yes to voting change

Posted by Brian on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 15:07pm


My votes for 2010:

Performers

Red Hot Chili Peppers
Electric Light Orchestra
Duran Duran
Iron Maiden
John Mellencamp
Afrika Bambaataa
Emerson, Lake & Palmer


Non Performers

Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfel
Robert "Mutt" Lange


Influences

Ravi Shankar
The Kingston Trio


Sidemen

Kenny Aronoff
Jim Horn

Posted by BSLO on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 15:10pm


Oh, and Yes to the voting change

Posted by BSLO on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 15:15pm


RHCP
Linda Ronstadt
Afrika Bambaataa
Carole King
Iron Maiden
Duran Duran
LaVern Baker

The Ravens
Duke Ellington

Willie Mitchell
Johnny Otis

The Andantes
The Hi-Rhythm Section

sorry if this is a multiple post, the wireless keeps stuffing up.

Posted by Matt Love on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 15:40pm


My 2010 Class

Performers

Beastie Boys
Red Hot Chili Peppers
John Mellencamp
ABBA
Bon Jovi
Journey
Def Leppard

Just Missing The Cut

George Harrison
Jackson Browne

Non-Performers

Robert "Mutt" Lange
Howard Stern

Early Influence

Ben E. King
Willie Nelson

Sideman

Chester Thompson
Daryl Struemer

Posted by Kyle on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 15:47pm


yes to the new rule

Posted by Matt Love on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 17:32pm


Bill G. - Do you have your write up on James Brown & The Famous Flames done? If not I am going to have to give it to someone else or do it myself because I want started on the next year.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 17:49pm


Gassman - There are plenty of STP songs that sound like Nirvana and Pearl Jam and every other popular band of the 90's. lol My friends and I liked to play the "who are they trying to rip-off" game whenever their new album came out. That being said, they were still really good and I'm actually going to see them and Cage The Elephant in concert in St. Paul on Friday.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 17:58pm


It is a shame that some give Rick Vendl II a hard time... I don't always agree with his picks but he seems to have a openmind and knows music.. . carry ON...!
Peace and love through MUSIC

Posted by mrxyz on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 18:17pm


Performers:
1. ABBA
2. The B-52’s
3. Solomon Burke
4. Leonard Cohen
5. Dire Straits
6. Randy Newman
7. The Zombies

Non-Performers:
1. Burt Bacharach & Hal David
2. Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfeld

Influences:
1. The Kingston Trio
2. Ravi Shankar

Sidemen:
1. The Andantes
2. Jim Horn

Posted by DC on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 18:43pm


I will list my choices for inductees into the Revisited Rock Hall Class of 2010 shortly. I would like, though, to comment on two different artists.

First, I am going to have to pass on inducting Alan Parsons. It is a shame, I admit. However, at best, Parsons' albums by himself and with Eric Woolfson were scattershot. Sometimes rather uneven, with interesting works mixed in with crappy throwaways. It left me feling rather unsatisfied at the end product of an Alan Parsons album.

Also, Buckner and Garcia? Really? Are you sure? The same Buckner and Garcia that made "Pac-Man Fever" and "Froggy's Lament"? The duo rode the wave of the early 80s arcade fad? That Buckner and Garcia? Why?

My apologies, Rick. We both seem to agree on a great deal of artists. I just question the idea of Buckner and Garcia. Look, I like "Pac-Man Fever." I also like "Moonlight Feels Right." However, Starbuck are never going to be Hall of Famers by any means. And neither will Buckner and Garcia be inductees either.

Remembering an NES and SNES and N64 I had with fondness,

Lax27

Posted by Lax27 on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 18:48pm


Lax27 - What about Alan Parsons as a Non Performer? He was the producer for Dark Side of the Moon and worked on a lot of The Beatles albums. I am probably going to vote for him in that category next year if one of my votes gets in this year.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 19:17pm


Kyle

Just a reminder to all that tie breaker voting closes on Saturday, August 14th at 3pm Eastern

Performers

Red Hot Chili Peppers 6
Iron Maiden 5
Dire Straits 4
Duran Duran 4
Electric Light Orchestra 4
Emerson, Lake & Palmer 4

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Afrika Bambaatta 3
John Mellencamp 3
Silver Apples 3

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ABBA 2
LaVern Baker 2
Solomon Burke 2
Can 2
Jimmy Cliff 2
Def Leppard 2
Devo 2
Daryl Hall & John Oats 2
Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers 2
Sparks 2
The Spinners 2
The Zombies 2

The Association
The B-52s
Beastie Boys
Captain Beefheart
Bon Jovi
Jackson Browne
Buckner & Garcia
Kate Bush
The Carpenters
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
Leonard Cohen
Phil Collins
The Doobie Brothers
George Harrison
Heart
Hüsker Dü
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
Journey
Carole King
Manfred Mann
Randy Newman
The Alan Parsons Project
Gram Parsons
Esther Phillips
Linda Ronstadt
Sade
Steppenwolf
Cat Stevens
Donna Summer
Styx
Thin Lizzy
Tom Waits
Scott Walker
War
Barry White
Bobby Womack


Non Performers

Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfel 4
Robert ‘Mutt’ Lange 3

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Tom Donahue 2
Jonny Otis 2

Don Arden
Nickolas Ashford & Valerie Simpson
Thom Bell & Linda Creed
Burt Bacharach & Hal David
Milt Gabler
Donna Halper
Daniel Lanois
Reinhold Mack
Willie Mitchell
Red Beard
Todd Rundgren
Howard Stern
Ted Templeman
The Tokens
Joel Whitburn

Influences

The Kingston Trio 4
The Ravens 3

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Ravi Shankar 2
Sonny Boy Williamson (II) 2

Johann Sebastian Bach
The Clovers
The Crew Cuts
Duke Ellington
Lena Horne
Mississippi John Hurt
Freddie King
The Ink Spots
Ben E. King
Eddie Lang
Willie Nelson
Ken Nordine
Charlie "Bird" Parker
Kurt Weill & Maxwell Anderson
Edgar Varse

Sidemen

Jim Horn 5

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The Andantes 3
Kenny Aronoff 3

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Daryl Stuermer 2
Sam "The Man" Taylor 2

Marc Benno
The Dixie Flyers
The Hi-Rhythm Section
Mark Knopfler
Boots Randolph
Paul Shaffer
Huey 'Piano' Smith
Chester Thompson
Richard Tee


Rule

Yes 8
No

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 19:27pm


" Bill G. - Do you have your write up on James Brown & The Famous Flames done? If not I am going to have to give it to someone else or do it myself because I want started on the next year."

I'll work on it today.

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 19:33pm


Thanks Bill G! If I could get it by tomrrow, that would be awesome!

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 19:49pm


I have been reading the comments of everyone here, & I want to say that we've reached a critical state here. Normally I do not comment extensively, but I feel I must say a few things.

There is a strain of insanity that is running across the board, to the effect that we are engaged in creating the "perfect" Hall. I said it before, & I'll say it again: let's not take this thing TOO seriously. As far as I know, this whole project is not being sent to the real Rock nominating committee, so the idea of showing up Jann Wenner & "righting their wrongs" is at least a tad trivial.

One of the reasons everyone is so worked up is the knowledge that very soon we will hit the rock boom yrs. of the late 80's-mid-90's. Fact is, from 2012-2020 (roughly) there will be for the most part 2-3 candidates each year that will be locks or near locks for induction. There will also be a few afterwards that will fit the same mold.

This can only lead regrettably to one of two things. One, everyone will cry for some sort of voter correctness, so that we have to have 1 R&B group, 1 female group, 1 hard rock/metal group, etc. The other will be a full on, blatant Little-Steven-esque disregarding of anything new, so that we reach a point where we are arguing if Manfred Mann's milk man should be added as an early influence. Both of these ideas are patently wrong, & will satisfy no one, least of all those interested in a level playing field for all.

It is the reason why, once again, I will bring up the suggestion of extending the cut-off date to somewhere around 2004-2005, which would be 2030 or so in voting terms. I ask this knowing that several of you have suggested you might vote for a few acts from the early 2000's. It will allevaite the crankiness of voters screaming about 60's & 70's queue's, & it will also prevent a backlog of 80's/90's artists caused by a Little Steven style ballot push.

You can't create a perfect Hall. That being said, I can see what's coming on the horizon. Please give some thought to what I wrote.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 20:31pm


Cheesecrop, we will certainly consider your words and concerns once we all come across that path.

As of now, here are my selections for the Revisited Rock Hall Class of 2010:

Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
Donna Summer
Electric Light Orchestra
George Harrison
Phil Collins
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Iron Maiden

Amongst Non-Performers:

Daniel Lanois
Milt Gabler

In the Influences category:

Ravi Shankar
Lena Horne

And for Sidemen:

Jim Horn
Daryl Steurmer

Anticipating our projections for future inductions,

Lax27

Posted by Lax27 on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 20:46pm


"Relax, ladies.

There is a point where campaigning and harassing others about their support for a certain group can be counterproductive. You have every right to do it, but it just may not produce the result that you are hoping for. Gitarzan's comment was clearly a lighthearted joke in relation to the passionate ELO discussions of the past weeks." - Dezmond

Truth well spoken. The two acts I wanted in got in, so I'm in too good a mood to get too riled up about it. I will say this, however: I've seen more maturity from the 5 year old twins I babysit sometimes. I don't care who started this crap, but I'm guessing everyone else is tired of seeing it. We're big boys here, so we're supposed to have thick skin. We're going to disagree sometimes, and if you can't handle it then take a hike and leave the people who can take it in peace. That goes for everyone, including me, and I second Gassman's idea that anyone who oversteps the boundaries of civil discussion should be slapped with a one-round suspension (I'll stop now before I lead myself into one.)

My votes:

-Devo
-Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers. I understand Bill G's and Tom's concerns; in fact, I share them. I'll be making room on my ballot for R&B from now on until Lymon, Chic, Little Anthony & the Imperials, Donna Summer and War are all inducted.
-Iron Maiden. I was very pleased that Motorhead upset the competition and sneaked in; now let's keep that going with the next in line.
-Emerson Lake & Palmer.
-Silver Apples
Beastie Boys
-Duran Duran

Non-Performers:
-Tony Wilson
-Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfel

Early Influence:
-The Kingston Trio
-Sonny Boy Williamson. There are actually two of these guys with the same name, but they're different people. I'll tryand get both in, starting with this one, named Rice Miller.

Sidemen:
-Kenny Aronoff
-Del Casher

Posted by Sam on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 20:46pm


Just a reminder to all that tie breaker voting closes on Saturday, August 14th at 3pm Eastern

Here is the correct updated voting (forgot DC and KXB the first time, added Lax27 and Sam):

Performers

Iron Maiden 8
Red Hot Chili Peppers 7
Emerson, Lake & Palmer 6
Dire Straits 5
Duran Duran 5
Electric Light Orchestra 5

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Solomon Burke 4
Silver Apples 4

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ABBA 3
Afrika Bambaatta 3
Devo 3
Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers 3
John Mellencamp 3
The Zombies 3

The B-52s 2
LaVern Baker 2
Beastie Boys 2
Can 2
Jimmy Cliff 2
Leonard Cohen 2
Phil Collins 2
Def Leppard 2
Daryl Hall & John Oats 2
George Harrison 2
Randy Newman 2
Gram Parsons 2
Sparks 2
The Spinners 2
Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam) 2
Donna Summer 2
Barry White 2

The Association
Captain Beefheart
Bon Jovi
Jackson Browne
Buckner & Garcia
Kate Bush
The Carpenters
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
The Doobie Brothers
Heart
Hüsker Dü
Wanda Jackson
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
Journey
Carole King
Manfred Mann
The Alan Parsons Project
Esther Phillips
Robert Plant
Linda Ronstadt
Sade
Steppenwolf
Styx
Thin Lizzy
Tom Waits
Scott Walker
War
Bobby Womack


Non Performers

Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfel 6
Robert ‘Mutt’ Lange 3

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Burt Bacharach & Hal David 2
Tom Donahue 2
Milt Gabler 2
Daniel Lanois 2
Jonny Otis 2

Don Arden
Nickolas Ashford & Valerie Simpson
Thom Bell & Linda Creed
Donna Halper
Reinhold Mack
Willie Mitchell
Red Beard
Todd Rundgren
Howard Stern
Ted Templeman
The Tokens
Joel Whitburn
Tony Wilson

Influences

The Kingston Trio 6
Ravi Shankar 4

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The Ravens 3

Lena Horne 2
Sonny Boy Williamson (II) 2

Johann Sebastian Bach
The Clovers
The Crew Cuts
Duke Ellington
Mississippi John Hurt
Freddie King
The Ink Spots
Ben E. King
Eddie Lang
Willie Nelson
Ken Nordine
Charlie "Bird" Parker
Kurt Weill & Maxwell Anderson
Edgar Varse
Sonny Boy Williamson (I)

Sidemen

Jim Horn 7

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The Andantes 4
Kenny Aronoff 4

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Daryl Stuermer 3

Sam "The Man" Taylor 2

Marc Benno
Del Casher
The Dixie Flyers
The Hi-Rhythm Section
Mark Knopfler
Boots Randolph
Paul Shaffer
Huey 'Piano' Smith
Chester Thompson
Richard Tee


Rule

Yes 8
No 0

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 21:07pm


"Red Hot Chili Peppers 6
Iron Maiden 5
Dire Straits 4
Duran Duran 4
Electric Light Orchestra 4
Emerson, Lake & Palmer 4"

Well, good start.

Rest assured, Cheesecrop, I will not be holding back on newly eligibles. I will be playing catchup for awhile, but I most certainly will not be having ballots where nobody knew gets my vote. It doesn't work like that.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 21:18pm


New artists this year:

Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds - I doubt I'll get around to voting for them, but they're an excellent alt rock band and their most recent album is outstanding.

The Cult - A couple classic alt rock songs, but a lot of bands can say that.

The Flaming Lips - I can't begin to describe what genre they'd be in, but whatever it is, they're consistently great at it. I can see them making the Hall, but it'll be awhile.

Whitney Houston - One of the all-time great voices of the last 30 years. It's a shame she never found a decent songwriter. "The Greatest Love Of All" might be the worst-structured popular song I've ever heard, except for maybe "Survivor" by Destiny's Child.

The Jesus And Mary Chain - An outstanding shoegaze band that had some success in the early 80's. I'd love to see them get in, but like Echo and the Bunnymen, I doubt they'll ever get more than a few votes.

LL Cool J - Too poppy for my tastes, though "Mama Said Knock You Out" was excellent.

Pet Shop Boys - Well, Depeche Mode got in on the first ballot, so I guess it's not impossible for these guys to get in eventually. I'm not a huge fan, but some of their stuff is good.

The Pogues - Not bad, but I doubt I'll ever vote for them.

Red Hot Chili Peppers - MVP of a weak class, but a first ballot inductee all the way. One of the few dynamic bands of the 80's with staying power.

Sade - Never really listened to her very much, but what I have heard is good and she's probably the best R&B artist of her era.

Soul Asylum - Meh. Just meh.


Other artists worth mentioning:

Yngwie Malmsteen - He plays the gee-tar real fast.

Spinal Tap - Sure, they're a fake band, but we let KISS in, right?


And in the category of "How can we mock you if we don't acknowledge your existence":

2 Live Crew, The Fat Boys - Rap didn't even get a chance to get started before guys like this started making it into a joke.

Stryper - Easily the best Christian hair metal band. Sure, it's the worst genre in rock n roll merged with the other worst genre in rock n roll, but they're the best, right? Also, again, KISS.

White Lion - When the children cry, it's because you're making them listen to White Lion. Social Services is on their way.

Did we miss out on making fun of Whitesnake? That's a shame. They were easily the most famous Led Zeppelin Tribute band in the world. Not the best mind you (Dread Zeppelin), but the most famous.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 21:44pm


Performers:
The B-52's
Devo
Electric Light Orchestra
Hall & Oates
Leonard Cohen
Weird Al Yankovic
The Zombies
Holding off on Oingo Boingo, PiL, etc. to get some acts some help. All of these acts have been waiting too long. We can wait on RHCP, give the old acts some respect!


Non-Performers:
Robert Lang
Daniel Lanois


Influences:
Ravi Shankar
Duke Ellington


Sidemen:
T-Bone Burnett
Tower of Power - Let's get some R&B/soul/jazz act in this year!

Posted by Weiner on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 21:48pm


Too bad I didn't have room this year for Spın̈al Tap. They deserve some love!

Posted by Weiner on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 21:53pm


My votes:

The Replacements - One of two remaining cornerstones of college rock that hasn't been inducted yet (REM and Sonic Youth being the other two, The Pixies came later). The Mats are overlooked because they didn't last long enough to cash in on the alt boom of the early 90's, but 80's alt rock is incomplete with them.

Husker Du - The other cornerstone I was referring to earlier. Husker Du has got more love in this poll than the Replacements, but they still haven't really come close yet. Let's fix that, shall we?

The Dead Kennedys - Black Flag is more popular and they came first, but DK's music was better and if any band should represent hardcore punk, it should be them.

Red Hot Chili Peppers - A consistently great alt rock band that's also been wildly successful.

Electric Light Orchestra - I'm not sure if this band has been discussed much on this board, but I'm sure that someone could provide some relevant links and articles as soon as the restraining orders expire.

Leonard Cohen - Maybe the best singer-songwriter not yet in our Hall.

Tom Waits - And he's waited a long damn time at that. Let's correct this error before the real Hall does.


Honorable Mention:

Devo
Ozzy Osbourne
Siouxsie & the Banshees
Heart
Beastie Boys
John Mellencamp
Warren Zevon
Iron Maiden
Social Distortion
Pantera
Echo & The Bunnymen
The Jesus and Mary Chain
Violent Femmes
XTC
Dire Straits
The Flaming Lips
The Jam
Black Flag
X
Slayer
The B-52's
Pulp
Muddy Waters

Posted by Darren on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 21:59pm


Performers:

Afrika Bambaataa
Jackson Browne
Solomon Burke
Leonard Cohen
Devo
Husker Du
The Replacements


Influences:

The Kingston Trio
The Ink Spots

Sidemen:

Kenny Aronoff
Jim Horn

Non-Performers:

Johnny Otis
Todd Rundgren

Yes to the new rule.

Also, I think the idea of extending this project past 2026 is a terrible one. We're doing a great job inducting newer artists, probably sticking to the 2-3 per year with the backlog taking up the rest of our inductee lists. To extend the project past those that started out in 2000 is a great disservice to the music of the last decade, and again, a lot of the fears going around are unfounded because we clearly are cutting away at the backlog with each election.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 22:30pm


There has to be some cut-off point. Otherwise the new artists being considered will only have an album or two under their belt. Basically, any Hall of Fame has lost it's point when Blink 182 or Fall Out Boy get serious consideration. That's when you throw in the towel for sure.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 23:29pm


Duran Duran
ABBA
John Mellencamp
Daryl Hall & John Oats
Donna Summer
Bon Jovi
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts


Posted by Mike W on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:22am


With the Peppers, Beasties and LL Cool J all eligible now, I'll be voting for Rick Rubin as a non-performer very soon.

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:38am


JAMES BROWN and the FAMOUS FLAMES
(Macon AND Augusta , Ga.)

Inducted by BOOTSY COLLINS.

Film clips: The T.A.M.I show, SKI PARTY, The ED SULLIVAM SHOW.

Audio Clip: the intro from the 1962 million-selling "LIVE AT THE APOLLO" album:

"So now ladies and gentlemen it is star time, are you ready for star time? Thank you and thank you very kindly. It is indeed a great pleasure to present to you at this particular time, national and international[ly] known as the hardest working man in show business, the men that sing "I'll Go Crazy" ... "Try Me" ... "You've Got the Power" ... "Think" ... "If You Want Me" ... "I Don't Mind" ... "Bewildered" ...the million dollar seller, "Lost Someone" ... the very latest release, "Night Train" ... let's everybody "Shout and Shimmy" ... Mr. Dynamite, the amazing Mr. Please Please himself, the star of the show, James Brown and The Famous Flames!! "

Narrative: JAMES BROWN was born in Barnwell, S.C. sometime around 1932, in poverty, to parents who were soon to part. He was raised by his father, and aunt,and , as he grew into young adulthood, ran afoul of the law, ending up in a Juvenile Detention facility. There he met Johnny Terry, and the two became fast friends .Before too long , it became apparent that Brown excelled in two things: sports and music:He sang in the prison gospel group, and played baseball for the prison team. One day, while his prison team was playing playing a local team,that he met a young man who was a player on the opposing team named BOBBY BYRD. Thus began a friendship and a musical partnership that would last over 20 years.

Byrd's family was highly respected and well known in the Toccoa area, and Byrd, after learning of Brown's singing and performance skills,wanted him in his gospel group.Byrd's family sponsored his release, and eventually,Brown joined Byrd's vocal group, THE AVONS. This is the group that shifted their musical focus from gospel to Rhythm and Blues,eventually becoming THE FAMOUS FLAMES.
the group developed a reputation for their powerful live onstage performances in Black venues across the U.S...and eventually caught the attention of Ralph Bass of KING RECORDS,who sighed the group to it's FEDERAL subsidiary label. In this original group was, BROWN, BYRD, JOHNNY TERRY, Sylvester Keels,Fred Pulliam, Doyle Oglesby, and Nash Knox with Nafloyd Scott on guitar. With his great energy, and dymamic performance skills, Brown quickly was moved to the position of lead singer . Bobby Byrd once commented: " I didn't need him in competition, I needed him with me. That's why I worked so hard to get him over to my group".

(end of part one) .

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:40am


sorry for the typos. I'm tired. Going to bed now . will finish this tomorrow.

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:43am


Here's video clip from 1964's TAMI show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLaS8wEbSaE

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:47am


here's another from that same film :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8gL52V0B4I&feature=related

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:48am


Here is a clip from SKI PARTY (1965) with James & the Flames http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZo954DwLhA

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:53am


another clip from SKI PARTY (1965) WITH JAMES BROWN & THE FAMOUS FLAMES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_xBT_xavzM

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:57am


Casper & Darren:

I don't think that anyone is suggesting that we go past 2026 or induct acts that have started after 2000. I think that is the line that everyone as drawn as the last class that we will vote on. I would also agree that we are doing a great job in having a mix of new and old acts getting in each year instead of having an overload of one or the other.

Bill G - Good work on the James Brown post, but I was wondering if you could shorten a bit with whatever you decide. The goal was to have one short to medium paragraph. I know it can be hard to cut stuff down when it is an artist that you love, but I would like to keep these writes up to be about the same length. Thanks!

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 02:33am


Here are the votes from Caledonia:

Performers:

George Harrison
Leonard Cohen
ABBA
Devo
B-52's
Soloman Burke
Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers

Non-performers:
Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfel
Brian Wilson

Influence:
Ravi Shankar
Kingston Trio

Sidemen:
Jesse Ed Davis
Mark Knopfler

Posted by Darrin A on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 04:52am


As Bill G. finishing up his write up for James Brown & The Famous Flames, lets determine who is going to do who for 1987:

Johnny Cash - Tahvo Parvianen (previous claim)
Sam Cooke -
Fats Domino -
Bo Diddley -
The Everly Brothers -
Bill Haley & His Comets -
Roy Orbison -

I would like to Roy Orbison, but if I would let someone else do the write up for him if they really want to.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 05:37am


RE: my previous post:

I hope my words will be heeded. There are a lot of folks saying "we have to get more of this in, we have to get more of that in..."

I hope you will all feel the same way when I start sending in ballots w/Poison, Ratt, Warrant, Dokken, etc. Since we will need to get our fair quota of pop metal acts in.

In addition, I hope you will all share the love for the Gin Blossoms, Toad the Wet Sprocket, Better than Ezra, etc. when we get to early-mid 90's pop-rock.

After all, there are plenty of psychedelic, glam, prog, soul, etc. acts already in our Hall, that one could argue we don't need to measure up to some mythical quota. I'd hate to see a queue of artists from the 80's/90's had formed precisely because of this reason.

My choices for 2009:

Red Hot Chili Peppers / Def Leppard
Weird Al Yankovic / E.L.O.
The Replacements / The Psychedelic Furs
The Spinners

Non Performers:

Bob Geldof
Giorgio Gomelsky

Sidemen:

Kenny Aronoff
Jackie Brenston

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 06:05am


Performers:

1. Hall And Oates
2. The Replacements
3. Iron Maiden
4. Electric Light Orchestra
5. Solomon Burke
6. Dire Straits
7. Husker Du

Non-Performers:

1. Tom Donahue
2. Tony Wilson

Early Influences:

1. The Kingston Trio
2. The Orioles

Sidemen:

1. Rick Derringer
2. Shaun "Stoney" Murphy

Yes to the new vote.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 08:09am


Performers =

The Replacements
Dire Straits
Duran Duran
Spinners
Devo
Jackson Browne
Thin Lizzy

Non-Performers =

Mutt Lange

Daniel Lanois

Sideman =

Kenny Aronoff

Don't feel strongly about a second one, maybe later

Influences =

Sonny Boy Williamson 2

Kingston Trio

Posted by Zepulon Pike on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 09:34am


DC, Rick Rubin is a great choice. I would like to point out that Dr. Dre should be considered soon for a Non-Performer slot...not just yet, but around the time the 1987 or 1988 artists become eligible.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 09:49am


Non-Performers- Rick Rubin, Ted Templeman. Early Influences- Willie Nelson, Ravi Shankar. Sidemen- Kenny Aaronoff, Steve Vai.

Posted by KXB on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 09:51am


Also with Rick Rubin you need to give equal attention to Russell Simmons.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 10:00am


Regarding how long to do this, I've already said this before, but I don't see a reason to go passed Class of 2011 (one more class after this one). This is simply because if we are going to be consistent with the real Hall's and our adopted standards (you cannot be inducted unless 25 years have passed since your first release), then for this to be consistent we could not induct any newly eligible artists after 2011, it would all be backlog.

We have accepted that 25 years should have gone by in order to have the proper historical perspective. We should stick with it. If we decide to project into some fictional future, it loses some credibility. Also, if we also want to compare with the real Hall, side by side, we should stop where they have stopped (I know, they have only gone through 2010, but next month they will announce the 2011 nominees, so it makes sense that we go through 2011 as well).

Just my 2 cents. I will stop voting after 2011.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 11:17am


Gassman, could you please confirm that a poster mean't to vote for 'Sonny Boy Williamson I', instead of 'Sonny Boy Williamson II'?

To me, there's only one 'Sonny Boy' and that is the gentleman also known as Rice Miller, who I thought was 'Sonny Boy Williamson II'.

Thanks!

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 12:12pm


"As Bill G. finishing up his write up for James Brown & The Famous Flames, lets determine who is going to do who for 1987:

Johnny Cash - Tahvo Parvianen (previous claim)
Sam Cooke -
Fats Domino -
Bo Diddley -
The Everly Brothers -
Bill Haley & His Comets -
Roy Orbison -

I would like to Roy Orbison, but if I would let someone else do the write up for him if they really want to."

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 05:37am


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I'll take Sam Cooke.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 12:26pm


Paul in KY - I did not know that Alex "Rice" Miller was the real name of Sonny Boy Williamson (II). I will correct my mistake.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 12:30pm


Johnny Cash - Tahvo Parvianen (previous claim)
Sam Cooke - Donnie
Fats Domino -
Bo Diddley -
The Everly Brothers -
Bill Haley & His Comets -
Roy Orbison - Gassman (willing to give it to someone else if they want it)

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 12:38pm


Non performers

Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfeld
Tony Wilson

Influences

Ravi Shankar
Willie Nelson

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 13:17pm


Appreciate all your help, Gassman.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 13:19pm


Time for my votes....


Performers


Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers

One of the few remaining 50s acts who clearly deserves induction into the HOF. These guys were the first teen idols/teenage/kid act of the rock and roll era. They were also one of the most successful doo wop groups of the late 1950's. They influenced countless artists from the Jackson Five, to Smokey Robinson, to the Ronettes, to the Beach Boys. Some of their songs have become American rock and roll classics. A very influential and important part of the story of the early years of rock and roll that shouldn't be forgotten


The Zombies

One of the last two deserving British Invasion bands (along with the Hollies), the Zombies proved to be the most underrated band of that period. The stuff they were doing was unique and ahead of it's time. They made some of the most sophisticated and innovative pop/rock music of the 1960's, hands down. One of definiting bands of baraoque pop, they were an influence on what would become progressive rock. While they weren't the only band of that period using the organ (see the Spencer Davis Group, the Rascals, ? and the Mysterians, and later the Doors and Iron Butterfly), they used the organ perhaps better than anyone with Rod Argent at the helm (one of the best keyboardists ever). They created some of the greatest singles of the British Invasion period with "Tell Her No" and "She's Not There." Then when it seemed they had faded away, they went out with a bang with the masterpiece album, Odyssey and Oracle. Seriously, for those who haven't heard it, do yourself a favor and pick it up. It's one of the best albums ever made. A very innovative and pioneering band who were one of the great, if overlooked, bands of the British Invasion.


The Spinners

One of the most succesful R&B and soul groups of the 1970's. Made hit after hit. Served as one of the defining groups of 1970's Philly soul. "It's a Shame," "I'll Be Around," "Could it Be I'm Falling in Love," "The Rubberband Man," and "Working My Way Back to You/Forgive Me Girl," are just a few of the classic songs they produced. As myself, Bill G, and Tom Lane have stated repeatedly, we are falling seriously behind on R&B artists in our HOF, and there aren't many more R&B acts of the '70s who deserve induction more than these guys. They've also been ignored by the real HOF as well. Let's upstage them again, and get this great R&B group in!


George Harrison

As I stated in the last election, while he may not have produced as socially impactful work as John Lennon, nor was he as consistent as Paul McCartney, he still managed to produce some of the best rock music of the 1970's, let alone some of the best solo Beatles material. All Things Must Pass, is to me, arguably the finest solo Beatles album, and also arguably the finest triple album in rock history. Classic song after classic song. George was one of rock music's most overlooked and underrated songwriters. He also kickstarted the rock music benefit concert trend with the groundbreaking 1971 Concert for Bangladesh. He's influenced countless guitar players. He is a legend and one of the greatest songwriters in rock history. He is definitely due for induction into our HOF.


Electric Light Orchestra

I haven't voted for them yet, mainly because I was pushing for earlier prog bands, and now that we've got the majority of them in (except ELP), I'm ready to lend my support for ELO. I'm well aware of the heated debate over them, but I've thought long before I even came to this site that ELO are deserving of induction. I don't care if they weren't a revolutionary band or that they weren't the first band to fuse classical with rock music. When it comes to just putting out damn good music, few bands in the '70s were better than ELO. ELO made some of the most gorgeous music of the 1970's with plenty of classic songs. "Evil Woman," "Showdown," "Can't Get it Out of My Head," "Fire on High" (one of the best rock instrumentals ever), "Do Ya," "Telephone Line," "Livin' Thing," "Turn to Stone," "Sweet Talkin' Woman," "Mr. Blue Sky," "Don't Bring Me Down." They were one of the biggest hit machines of the 1970's. Just a great, great band. Jeff Lynne has also become one of the most sought after and respected musicians/producers in the music industry. ELO had a truly distinctive sound. When you heard an ELO song on the radio, you knew instantly it was them. Very deserving of induction. Plus they get closer and closer each year. Let's get them in.


Devo

One of the most unique and innovative and groundbreaking bands to emerge in the late '70s/early '80s rock scene. Pioneers of new wave and electronic music, there was no band like them. With their unique stage attire, image, and music, and groundbreaking music videos, they truly paved the way for much of modern music. Their music, made over 30 years ago, still sounds ahead of it's time, even today. To me they are one of the biggest ommissions we have of the new wave/punk period. They are very deserving.


The Replacements

We're on the cusp of the explosion of alternative rock, and I just can't justify us moving on to Nirvana, Soundgarden, Jane's Addiction, the Pixies, Green Day, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, etc. without getting the Replacements in first. Husker Du is the other major American alternative act of the early '80s, but to me the Replacements were a greater overall band with a better sound, and also more commercial success which proved to be crucial in getting alternative rock to cross over into the mainstream within the next 5 years after their career peaked. The Replacements are the quintessential American college rock band (besides R.E.M.). Let it Be and Tim are two of the best rock albums of the 1980's. "Bastards of Young" is still the ultimate anti-MTV music video, and to me "Unsatisfied" is one of the best songs ever written. A great band, and one of my favorite punk-sounding bands ever. If we're going to accurately portray the early years of American alternative rock in our HOF, these guys are easily one of the top 5 most essential acts to have in (along with R.E.M., Sonic Youth, the Pixies, and Jane's Addiction). Husker Du are deserving as well, but not as much as the Replacements in my view.


Non-Performers


Tom Donahue

I'm glad to see he's builing more momentum. Once again to reiterate, this is the father of modern FM radio. He was the first radio DJ to present album-orientated music across the airwaves. He moved the direction of radio away from top 40, 3 minute pop singles, and into more obscure and sophisticated rock music. The stuff that was more challenging to the music listener. Rock music was expanding into serious art in the late '60s, and it couldn't have reached the masses without radio airplay, and it was Tom Donahue who provided the outlet for all of this great music that otherwise wouldn't have gotten a chance. Much of modern radio was founded on the pioneering works of this man. Other than Alan Freed and Wolfman Jack, he is the most important radio DJ of the last 50 years. Essential for our Non-Performers category.


Seymour Stein

I'm surprised that hardly anyone has voted for him, as best as I can recall, so I'm going to throw his name into the hat as well. He was one of the most important non-performing figures in the music industry from the mid '70s to the mid '80s. He was the founder of Sire Records which was the record label that many of the founding punk and new wave bands of the late '70s were featured on. He signed four of the most important artists to emerge in that period: the Talking Heads, the Ramones, the Pretenders, and Madonna. Not to mention also signing Depeche Mode, the Smiths, Ice-T, and Echo and the Bunnymen. He was the major promoter of the new waves groups of the late '70s and is often credited with coming up with the term for this style and period of bands. Today he is the Vice President of Warner Bros. records and is also still the President of Sire Records.

He was one of the most important record executives in rock history, and is deserving of induction.


Influences

The Ink Spots

I will continue to push for them as to me they are the biggest ommission we have in the Influences category. This group was the key vocal group who led the way for doo-wop, soul music, and ultimately rock and roll. The Soul Stirrers were around at the same time but was not able to break through to mainstream pop audiences the way the Ink Spots did. The Mills Brothers were also around, but they were more strictly pop and were lacking in true gospel roots and passion. The Ink Spots were the best of all worlds in that period, and they went on to pave the way and influence every major vocal group to emerge in the years of pre-rock and roll: groups like the Orioles, the Ravens, the 5 Royals, Billy Ward and the Dominoes, etc. Not to mention influencing many if not all of the R&B and doo wop groups of the early years of rock and roll: groups like the Drifters, the Flamingos, the Clovers, the Penguins, the Impressions, the Miracles, the Moonglows, etc. There wouldn't be soul music, and arguably rock and roll music without the Ink Spots


Duke Ellington

One of the biggest figures of 20th century music, he played as much a role in establishing jazz music into the mainstream of American culture as Louis Armstrong did, and is as big an icon. He was also one of the most prolific songwriters and composers of the 20th century. He is another one of those figures who obviously didn't play rock and roll music, but he is such an enormous figure of popular music, that he should be in just about every music HOF. There wouldn't be a lot of the music that emerged in the 20th century (including rock and roll) without the Duke.


Sidemen

The Andantes

Thanks to Tahvo for that inciteful post about more sidemen to consider. I had forgotten about this group, and you are correct, they are essential for this category. We have the Funk Brothers, the backing musicians of Motown Records in our HOF. Now it is time to honor the background vocals of Motown Records. Why should they be inducted? Because they sang backgrounds on more hit songs than practically anyone in history. Think of all of the great Motown songs. Think of all of the great vocals on all of those songs. Chances are, for every single one of them, you're hearing the Andantes. Do I really need to say more?


Kenny Aronoff

He is one of the most prolific session drummers of the last 30 years in rock music. He is mostly known as John Mellencamp's drummer, and was his main drummer during Mellencamp's best years. He's also played with numerous bands and artists from John Fogerty, to the Smashing Pumpkins, to Waylon Jennings, to Mick Jagger and countless others. He's a perfect candidate for this category.


Well those are my votes!

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 13:20pm


since the new rule isn't in play yet, this is the first (and probably only) time I'll be doing this.

Pls. change my vote from LaVern Baker to John Mellencamp

thanks

Posted by Matt Love on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 16:32pm


As I stated before, I'm showing love to the real Hall's inductees that I'm glad got in. So, I'm continuing that theme.

Performers:
1. Brenda Lee
2. Gene Pitney
3. LaVern Baker
4. The Ventures
5. The Dells
6. The Moonglows
7. The Flamingos

Non-Performers:
1. Tom Donahue
2. Seymour Stein

Influences:
1. Jelly Roll Morton & His Red Hot Peppers
2. Charles Brown

Side-Men:
1. Kenny Aronoff
2. The Cookies

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 17:10pm


Just for everyone's information, the last election of the fall (and year) should be the 2026 class. I know once we go a few weeks or months without an election, some people will get a little trigger happy...but I think we should try and keep the ten year's distance and return for the 2027 class next September (right before the Cleveland Hall announces their 2012 nominees).

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 18:23pm


Casper - I totally agree!

Dezmond - I understand your concern. I look at what we did up to next year as . While 2012 and on will be more like us doing a projection of what we think the future will be or should be, with twist of using our Hall of Fame as the base. I hope you still stay active with this even if you still choose not to vote. That is part of the reason I wanted to come up with idea of doing the induction ceremonies, so we can still keep doing things in this section.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 19:11pm


I will post my comments up on Sam Cooke once we determine who all will be commenting on which artists.

In addition to Sam Cooke, I can do anyone else in the class if need be Gassman, although I understand wanting each person to do only one act. That makes it seem more like the real class.


Oh, also something else I meant to point out that I forgot about. I can remember which one did Elvis Presley in the last class (was it Gitarzan), but I thought I would point out that his choice of Little Richard as his inductee really doesn't work, because Little Richard was a fellow inductee that year. At pretty much any HOF ceremony (be it any music, or sports, or any other kind of HOF), a person who is also being inducted that same year doesn't come up and induct one of their fellow inductees.

Don't mean to be picky, but I just thought I would point that out. I can't ever remember any HOF ceremony where someone who was being inducted that year also served as one of the inductors. Certainly not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 19:50pm


"Little Richard as his inductor" was what I meant to say.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 19:51pm


"I hope you will all feel the same way when I start sending in ballots w/Poison, Ratt, Warrant, Dokken, etc. Since we will need to get our fair quota of pop metal acts in." - Cheesecrop

I think the Crue and Leppard are all that's needed to represent that era. Dokken and Ratt are fine bands, but including them would be stretching it a bit.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 20:29pm


I do not see the need for a cut-off of 10 years for future Revisited Roc Hall inductions. There are quite a great deal of artists that began their recording careers in the past 10 years that would merit a 2036 induction ceremony, and beyond.

For example, I think that Arcade Fire are worthy of an induction. I also am of the opinion that Kanye West is worthy of an induction; as are John Legend, Lady GaGa, Rihanna, John Mayer, Coldplay, The darkness, The Strokes, Beyonce Knowles, Kings Of Leon, amongst others. We should let us all see how these artists will fare in projected future Revisited Rock Hall inductions.

Knowing art from trash,

Lax27

Posted by Lax27 on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 20:33pm


I'll agree to disagree Lax.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 21:13pm


do not see the need for a cut-off of 10 years for future Revisited Roc Hall inductions. There are quite a great deal of artists that began their recording careers in the past 10 years that would merit a 2036 induction ceremony, and beyond.

For example, I think that Arcade Fire are worthy of an induction. I also am of the opinion that Kanye West is worthy of an induction; as are John Legend, Lady GaGa, Rihanna, John Mayer, Coldplay, The darkness, The Strokes, Beyonce Knowles, Kings Of Leon, amongst others. We should let us all see how these artists will fare in projected future Revisited Rock Hall inductions.

Knowing art from trash,

Lax27

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I think that the current cut-off we're going for (artists becoming eligible in 1999) is the perfect time to cut the project off. With the exception of the Strokes, Coldplay, Kanye West, and Beyonce, the rest of the artists you mentioned, are no doubt amongst the biggest acts in music today. However, I think it's really too soon to tell for most of them how far their career is going to go. Most of the acts who got going in the '90s have been around long enough that we at least have some semblence of what their career has meant to rock history. But I mean Lady GaGa while a huge star has only released one full album. How can we assume she's a HOFer based on one album? And I'm not saying "she sucks" and it's a joke to consider her or none of that crap. I actually like her, and she's quickly becoming the David Bowie of her day, but it's just too soon to tell.

A good example of what I'm talking about is Britney Spears. If we had asked circa 2002 if Britney Spears was going to eventually be inducted into the RNRHOF, I would've probably said yes, as at that point she was hands down the biggest female pop star to emerge since Janet Jackson and Madonna. But then just a few years later she had her huge meltdown and decline, and while she's had some success since that rut, I really don't know for sure that she should be inducted now.

With artists in the 2000's with a few exceptions, it's really too soon to tell what their careers will mean. So I think cutting it off with artists that started out in 1999 (which include 2000's music giants like the White Stripes, Coldplay, Eminem and Beyonce (through Destiny's Child)) is the best route to go. Artists like Rhianna, the Killers, and Lady GaGa who have debuted within the last 5 years, it's just too soon to tell.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 21:24pm


I think it would be fun to discuss which newer bands are worthy of the Hall of Fame, but we should definitely stop 10 years short of the present and I think Lax's inclusion of Lady Gaga is a consideration is a good argument for the cut-off. Her music isn't bad, but there's definitely flash-in-the-pan potential. If her next album sucks, that might be the last we hear from her, which is how pop music works and why we need at least some perspective.

That being said, I've really been looking forward to the "future" induction votes because I'm really curious about how contemporary artists stack up against each other. If we stop after this year just because we caught up with the real Hall, the only thing we'd prove is that this group of voters likes Band X better than the Hall's voters did.

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 22:44pm


JAMES BROWN & THE FAMOUS FLAMES
pt 2

After several line-up changes in the group between 1956 and 1958, the Flames'lineup finally stablized in 1958 , just in time for the group's second million - seller, "Try Me".(Please Please Please was the first.) Original members James Brown, Bobby Byrd, and Johnny Terry were joined by new Flames members "Baby Lloyd" Stallworth and Bobby Bennett. This is the line-up that cemented the group's success. Terry would come and go over the next few years, but Brown , Byrd, Bennett , and Stallworth continued to have hit after hit , with I'LL GO CRAZY, THINK, LOST SOMEONE,OH BABY DON'T YOU WEEP, NIGHT TRAIN, PRISONER OF LOVE , and many more. Brown & the Flames were featured in two Hollywood motion pictures, THE TAMI SHOW, where they upstaged The Rolling Stones, and 1965's SKI PARTY.

Brown would go on to even bigger success as a solo star , with many more hits, like THIS IS A MAN'S WORLD , I FEEL GOOD, PAPA'S GOT A BRAND NEW BAG , and many more. The Flames broke up in 1968, after 10 years. Brown would go on to revolutionize popular music, by inventing Funk, which , in turn , laid the foundation for the Rap/Hip-Hop movement. Dan Aykroyd referred to Brown as "one of the four or five greatest performing artists in music history. Brown was awarded the Kennedy Center Honors in 2003, and The Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award in 1992, and was inducted , without The Flames , into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in it's first induction year of 1986.A ceremony was held for Brown on January 10, 1997 to honor him with a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 22:45pm


PS. But, in OUR Hall, The Flames get INDUCTED !!!

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 22:48pm


It wasn't Gitarzan who did Elvis, it was me, Donnie. I was too busy writing to see the forest through the trees. I apologize for going against protocol. Substitute BB King for Little Richard.

Posted by classicrocker on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 23:05pm


I'll go ahead and do a write-up for Fats Domino.

Posted by DC on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 01:09am


Bill G - Do you have who would play for them at the ceremony and the three songs they would play as a representation of James Brown career?

1987

Johnny Cash - Tahvo Parvianen (previous claim)
Sam Cooke - Donnie
Fats Domino - Sam Cooke
Bo Diddley -
The Everly Brothers -
Bill Haley & His Comets -
Roy Orbison - Gassman (willing to give it to someone else if they want it)

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 02:44am


Gassman, since I finished my draft for Johnny Cash relatively quickly (10-15 minutes) I was wondering if I can help you out here a bit by doing the write-up for Bo Diddley, if nobody else minds of course (I don't even know if I'm allowed to do more than one in a single year?). Also, any word from FRL whether or not these write-ups are going to be posted anywhere?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 03:13am


Tahvo - At first I wanted it to be one write up per person per year, but the response to this idea has been kinda mediocre. So I have no problem if you want to do another one. Also I have had discussions with FRL. They said that they could accommodate. I told them that I would like to have the ability to click the name of the act/person above and you would go to a special page that would have the write up for that act person. It just might take some time to set things up. Also we still aren't 100% done with 1986 yet, as I need to know who will play for James Brown & The Famous Flames and what 3 songs they will play.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 03:28am


What hasn't been mediocre is the quality and variety in these write ups. I think that they all are great and some of you choices for replacement performers/indcutors have been great. Now its time to pick that 3 jam songs! Only rule is it can't be one of the songs played earlier. These are the artists that would be apart of the jam:

Jerry Allison
Chuck Berry
Nick Cave
Bootsy Collins
Jamie Foxx
Mick Jagger
Billy Joel
B.B. King
Jerry Lee Lewis
Joe B. Mauldin
Paul McCartney
Little Richard
Stray Cats
Angus Young
+ Whoever Bill G. chooses to play for James Brown & The Famous Flames

Here are the songs that can't be apart of the Jam:

“Maybellene”
“Roll Over Beethoven”
“Johnny B. Goode”
“I Got A Woman”
“What’d I Say”
“Georgia On My Mind”
“Peggy Sue”
“That’ll Be The Day”
“It Doesn’t Matter Anymore”
"Great Balls of Fire”
"Breathless"
"Whole Lotta Shakin' Going On”
“Hound Dog”
“Jailhouse Rock”
“Burning Love”
“Good Golly, Miss Molly”
“Long Tall Sally”
“Tutti Frutti”
+ The 3 songs that Bill G. chooses for James Brown & The Famous Flames

Here are 3 of my suggestions:

"Not Fade Away" - Buddy Holly & The Crickets
"Rock and Roll Music" - Chuck Berry
"That's All Right" - Elvis Presley

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 03:50am


"Not Fade Away" would be really cool especailly considering that Mick Jagger could sing lead as The Rolling Stones covered it really early in their career.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 03:55am


With artists in the 2000's with a few exceptions, it's really too soon to tell what their careers will mean. So I think cutting it off with artists that started out in 1999 (which include 2000's music giants like the White Stripes, Coldplay, Eminem and Beyonce (through Destiny's Child)) is the best route to go. Artists like Rhianna, the Killers, and Lady GaGa who have debuted within the last 5 years, it's just too soon to tell.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 21:24pm


Only need to copy-paste this last part (albeit the entire post is great). There are a few artists today who are obviously high quality and have had an impact on rock and popular music as a whole. Donnie has mentioned The White Stripes, Coldplay, Eminem, and Beyoncé, and I'd full-heartedly agree with those groups (although I don't very much like Coldplay...). Other artists, especially Lady Gaga, are way too new to have any sort of objectivity or grand opinion made of them. Eminem's first LP was released in 1995, and Slim Shady came out in 1999. He's had 7 albums released, plus 8 Mile and its soundtrack. He's an artist that we can safely call "influential". Lady Gaga has basically had an LP then an EP, the first of which was released in 2008. It's really not be in long enough to look at her "career" as a whole and judge it.

Oh, and on comparing her to Bowie, don't. I've written about an essay's-worth of material showing how she is not at all like Bowie, but decided to spare you all from the long-windedness of it. Needless to say, she doesn't stack up in any category. Even wearing women's clothing.

Oh, and two modern artists who will definitely be interesting to see how we judge them are Daft Punk and Muse. Daft Punk's Homework was released in 1997, and Muse's Showbiz was in 1999 (although Daft Punk first single was recorded and released in 1994 and Muse's first EP was recorded in 1997). I'm quite interested to hear others' opinions of them.

Posted by Weiner on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 05:01am


Gassman - Thanks for clarifying. I'll do Bo Diddley then.

Weiner - In terms of Daft Punk, I would certainly having nothing against them being in our Hall, but being a semi-chronologcial oriented kind of guy I think by that time we should have Silver Apples (It's great to see them picking up support, at this rate we may even see them in as early as next year which would be amazing), Can and Massive Attack all in. And Suicide, Throbbing Gristle, and the Chemical Brothers should all be considered as well (either before during or after the same time as Daft Punk, as long as they're considered). We've done a good job with inducting Kraftwerk but that was a long time ago and I would like to see getting more of the electronic music going and hopefully Silver Apples and Can aren't to far off as they would both be excellent picks to start.

Speaking of artists worth considering, when Gassman posted his 60s queue last week (or was it a few days ago) many people, myself included, decided to contribute to it and I'll post the full list now.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 05:30am


I know some of these acts may be more 70s oriented and some maybe even 50s but here's the compiled list nevertheless. I may try to tackle a 70s one as well. We're still in the middle of the 80s so it's a bit too soon and from the 50s there are still a few notable names left:

But yeah, 60s notables more or less (as compiled by the voters)

The 13th Floor Elevators
The Association
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band
Blue Cheer
Tim Buckley
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Petula Clark
Joe Cocker
Solomon Burke
Fairport Convention
Nick Drake
Connie Francis
The Grass Roots
The Hollies
Iron Butterfly
Ben E. King
The Kingsmen
Brenda Lee
Love
The Lovin' Spoonful
Manfred Mann
The Marvelettes
John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers
Moby Grape
The Move
The Nice
Nico
Gram Parsons
Peter, Paul & Mary
Lloyd Price
Procol Harum
Quicksilver Messenger Service
Paul Revere & The Raiders
Cliff Richard & The Shadows
The Righteous Brothers
Johnny Rivers
The Ronettes
Del Shannon
The Shangri-Las
The Small Faces
The Spinners
Spirit
Soft Machine
The Sonics
Cat Stevens
Steppenwolf
Them
The Tokens
The Troggs
The Turtles
Scott Walker
Warren Zevon
The Zombies

Remember, I'm not saying all of these should be inducted (although there's quite a few I would like to support in the upcoming years/are on my queue) just trying to be helpful ;)

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 05:36am


And Weiner, in terms of Muse who I'm not very familiar with, would you recommend any required listening?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 05:40am


Muse will only have 1 or 2 years to get into the Hall at the end of our voting. I don't know if they'll get in right away, but they'd probably get in eventually if they had more opportunities.

Recommended albums:

Absolution
Black Holes And Revelations
The Resistance

They also had a live album come out recently, but I can't remember the name of it. Their music is sort of indie pop meets prog with elements of Queen at their over-the-top best. The singer's voice is a point of contention for some, but if that isn't a breaking point, you might like them. They were moderately successful for much of the last decade but they became one of the biggest indie rock bands in the world after being featured prominently in the Twilight movies (the author has great taste in music, which might be the only nice thing I can say about Twilight).

Posted by Darren on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 06:08am


I would classify them as new prog far more than indie rock. Their first album had some indie elements, but past there, not much. Although they some recent tracks have a more popular feel to them.

I'd suggestion Origin of Symmetry and Absolution as albums to get the feel of Muse. Both showcase a variety of sounds and the scope of the band. The problem with them, as mentioned, is they'll have about two years to get in. However, I don't know how many bands will be added to people's queues between now and then (personally, there won't be many).

I'd also recommend the tracks Take A Bow and Knights of Cydonia from Black Holes and Revelations and the Exogensis Symphony from The Resistance. Take A Bow shows off their synth and prog side, Knights their classic rock side, and Exogensis their symphonic side.


And, on the 60s acts, Cat Stevens and The Zombies have had some nice pushes this round (not sure what their totals are right now though). I'd really like to see The Zombies finally make it in, they've been waiting for so long and really deserve it. On others on your list, I'm not sure how much they deserve it. I mean, I like Steppenwolf, but I don't know if they're more deserving than 80s acts like The B-52's or Oingo Boingo. Some of these acts will survive into the 90s if they don't get in (Stevens and Zombies are the definites), but others will likely not be getting in.

Posted by Weiner on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:03am


"In terms of Daft Punk, I would certainly having nothing against them being in our Hall, but being a semi-chronologcial oriented kind of guy I think by that time we should have Silver Apples (It's great to see them picking up support, at this rate we may even see them in as early as next year which would be amazing), Can and Massive Attack all in. And Suicide, Throbbing Gristle, and the Chemical Brothers should all be considered as well (either before during or after the same time as Daft Punk, as long as they're considered). We've done a good job with inducting Kraftwerk but that was a long time ago and I would like to see getting more of the electronic music going and hopefully Silver Apples and Can aren't to far off as they would both be excellent picks to start"

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 05:30am

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Actually, the Chemical Brothers are around the same time period as Daft Punk. Both bands broke out and emerged as giants of the mid-to late '90s electronica scene. For my money they are the two best. The Chemical Brothers have proven, to me to be the most consistent and enduring electronic act perhaps ever. As great and influential as Massive Attack was they have not produced near as many albums as the Chemical Brothers. There's quite a few electronic bands who get more critical acclaim from Rolling Stone, Pitchfork and other magazines, bands like Portishead, Massive Attack, Aphex Twin, and the Orb, although none of those bands have proven to be as enduring and prolific as The Chemical Brothers. I think Portishead took 10-12 years to release another album after "Dummy?" Aphex Twin, I haven't heard anything about since the '90s though they were one of the best of the decade no doubt. Orbital and Underworld were two other fantastic electronic bands of the 1990's, but both were pretty much done by the late '90s and early '00s.

Air and the Prodigy were two other great bands of the 90's electronica movement who are still putting out good material today. Basement Jaxx as well.

But I think the Chemical Brothers did as much as anyone to establish electronic music into the mainstream of American music. So have Daft Punk.

As influential as Massive Attack was, I think Daft Punk already has and will have proven to be near their equals on influence. Daft Punk on the Discovery album (released in 2001) were doing the robotic sounding vocals, which pretty much everyone in rap uses nowadays. And they've also proven to be a highly accessible electronica group that rock and rap fans have gotten into (see Kanye West's collaboration with them on "Stronger").


So to answer Weiner's question about what everyone thinks of Daft Punk, I will definitely be voting for them. And the Chemical Brothers as well. If we're going to have 90's and '00s electronica music in our HOF, to me, Massive Attack, Aphex Twin, the Chemical Brothers, and Daft Punk are the 4 main essentials to have. AFter them, then the Orb, Orbital, Underworld, the Prodigy, Air, the KLF, and Basement Jaxx, amongst others should at least be considered (I'd lean towards voting for Air and the Prodigy).

I agree with Tahvo that Silver Apples, Kraftwerk (whom we already have), and Massive Attack should go in first, Aphex Twin too. But I think Daft Punk and the Chemical Brothers should be considered by voters around the same time period as they both started about the same time. Daft Punk's first works predate the Chemical Brothers by about 6-8 months maybe. So they're not that far apart.


As for Muse, they're a fantastic band along with Queens of the Stone Age, who are on the brink of that late '90s/early '00s line where they've probably been around long enough for us to seriously consider and try to predict on, yet at the same time, it may be a bit too soon. Neither band have become amongst the giants of modern music (like Coldplay, Eminem, the White Stripes, Beyonce, Kanye West, etc.), though they very well could. I'm on the fence on both of them as far as whether I'd vote for them. If I didn't vote for them, it certainly wouldn't be that I don't think they're good, because that's definitely not the case. I'm just not sure if we can really predict whether they're going to be legitimate HOFers yet or not. But Muse is certainly on their way. Queens of the Stone Age haven't done much lately unfortunately, so that's a good example right there of it being too soon to tell. They may fade out, or they might become even bigger. We don't know.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:30am


- We still need some one to do a write up for The Everly Brothers and Bill Haley & His Comets. Doesn't have to be that long and will only take about 10-20 minutes. Also if you don't know much about either or if 50's Country leaning Rock and Roll isn't exactly your favorite type of music, you should do it as an educational experience!

- I love Muse! They're one of my favorite rock bands from the 00's, along with Arcade Fire and The Killers. I don't know if they are worthy yet for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. For someone that has never heard their music before, I would recommend Black Holes & Revelations. It probably does the best job of mixing a pop feel with their more alt-indie/prog origins. I personally feel that their best album is Origin of Symmetry, so if you like Black Holes & Revelations I would go there next. Absolution is also really good and I don't know if it is my 2nd or 3rd favorite album of theirs. Showbiz (their first album) is pretty good, but kinda different while their newest album, The Resistance, was a let down to me, but it still was decent album.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:39am


Oh and two other major figures of 90's Electronica music that I forgot to mention who are probably sure-fire HOFers are Bjork and Moby.

Moby is commercially the most succesful electronica artist of all-time, as "Play" is the best selling Electronica album ever. And he's one of the few major electronica acts who became a major pop star, at least for a few years (circa 1999-2003). Not to mention he's damn good.


And Bjork was one of the most famous alternative/electronica artists of the '90s hands down. Another HOFer.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:41am


Thanks for the recommendations Darren and Weiner, I'll check it out.

As for the 60s acts, I think Solomon Burke's chances are very good for induction in the next two years (he may even get in this year, though I'm unaware of the current voting total), if he misses out yet again this year I'll be supporting him again next year. Nick Drake may have support for him gaining momentum as enough people have mentioned him in the past to show there may be something boiling under the surface. I think it's a matter of how long it takes us to induct Jackson Browne, Tom Waits, Warren Zevon, Leonard Cohen and possibly Randy Newman. Connie Francis had some early support but it died off fairly quickly, the Hollies, I think are going to start getting much more votes the moment the Zombies get inducted. The Lovin' Spoonful I think have a decent shot as the fact their one of the major omissions (apart from some R&B/soul acts) in our Hall that's in Cleveland, not too mention they're one of the last folk-rock artists we should induct (Peter, Paul & Mary are also noteworthy). Gram Parsons, I think has enough support to get in in a few years, while Procol Harum I can see picking up support once ELO and ELP get inducted, I know I'll be supporting them very soon. Del Shannon has strong potential and I think he's on most people's queues (at least those who have been posting their queues). For the Spinners it's only a matter of time. Cat Stevens, yes, as you mentioned. Scott Walker is an important name but unfortunately I think only classicrocker has been supporting him though he is on my queue, and the Zombies, yes they should get in within the next two years if they don't make it this year.

Other than that, I can perhaps see one of the girl groups making it (Marvelettes, Ronettes, Shangri-Las) and possibly the Righteous Brothers (highly deserving and an important blue-eyed soul group). The rest it isn't looking too good for unless someone steps up and does some serious campaigning. Don't get me wrong, they may get 1, 2 or 3 vote totals in any given year, but not enough to push them over the wall so to speak. Though this is all speculation. It also all depends how quick we are with inducting newly eligibles in the upcoming years.


Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:42am


I don't know if you missed my post Gassman, but I offered to write ups on anyone else you needed (kind of bummed that Tahvo stole Bo Diddley as he's my other favorite of this class lol). With the two remaining choices, I could probably do better on the Everly Brothers, but if you need someone for Bill Haley and His Comets, I'm sure I could come up with something for them.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:43am


Donnie, you can have Bo Diddley if you want, I just picked him out as he's probably the one I feel most comfortable writing for after Johnny Cash and I wanted to help Gassman out

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:46am


"The rest it isn't looking too good for unless someone steps up and does some serious campaigning."

One of these years (errrrr....weeks) I'm going to go all out for Gene Pitney lol. I'm just waiting for the right time (once we've got enough artists on my queue inducted).

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:47am


That's okay Tahvo. I was mostly kidding. You called dibs on him first and it'd be best for everyone to write about artists that they're qualified for, so if Bo Diddley is someone you're more comfortable with, then I'll leave him up to you.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:49am


Also great summary of 80s/90s electronica.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:51am


That's okay Tahvo. I was mostly kidding. You called dibs on him first and it'd be best for everyone to write about artists that they're qualified for, so if Bo Diddley is someone you're more comfortable with, then I'll leave him up to you.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:49am

Alright Donnie, thanks. Once I post it (after I write of course) if you have anything to add or suggest something to change let me know.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:53am


Correction: "after I write it of course"

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:54am


and thanks for the Muse recommendation, Gassman, I initially missed seeing your post there

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:57am


Donnie - Go for The Everly Brothers! I'll take Bill Haley & His Comets. I already have an unexpected person in mind to do the induction speach, lol!

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 08:01am


I would also like to see a push for Love. I one time heard Alice Cooper say on his radio show that Love along with The Doors were the best representation of what the Los Angeles sound was in the late 1960's. They were probably one of the best bands at mixing many different genres together. In thier magnum opus, Forever Changes, which is ranked #40 on Rolling Stones Top 500 albums list (intresting enough this is the highest ranking for an act not in either Hall of Fame) you can here perfect mix of folk, garage rock and psychedila. Also Arthur Lee is one of the underrated frontmen in rock history!

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 08:12am


Duran Duran
Journey
Thin Lizzy
RHCP
The Replacements
ELO
Def Leppard

Posted by Jim on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 08:39am


Performers: Solomon Burke, Def Leppard, Devo, Husker Du, LL Cool J, Gram Parsons, Red Hot Chili Peppers. Non-Performers: Roy Thomas Baker, Mutt Lange. Early Influences: Willie Nelson, Ravi Shankar. Sidemen: RIck Derringer, Steve Vai.

Posted by K9 RockForce on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 10:26am


Also: YES to the proposed rule change...

Posted by K9 RockForce on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 10:28am


'Forever Changes' is a gorgeous album. Don't hear a lot of garage rock in it, though, Gassman. I would love to see Love eventually get in as well.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 12:24pm


I was about to volunteer to take Bill Haley, but it looks like Gassman's already got him. that's cool. I've got my Bob Dylan write up ready for next year.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 12:26pm


Gassman- When you said Sam Cooke would be writing the induction speech for Fats Domino, did you mean me?

Posted by DC on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 16:49pm


Also Dezmond- Speaking of Dylan, I just bought my ticket to see him in concert Sunday. I'm pretty damn excited.

Posted by DC on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 16:51pm


Performers

Solomon Burke
Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers
LaVern Baker
Beastie Boys
Leonard Cohen
George Harrison
The Carpenters


Non Performers

Laura Nyro
Burt Bacharach & Hal David

Influences

The Ravens
The Ink Spots

Sidemen

Jim Horn
Tony Peluso

Posted by akeem on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 18:16pm


Donnie has mentioned The White Stripes, Coldplay, Eminem, and Beyoncé, and I'd full-heartedly agree with those groups (although I don't very much like Coldplay...). Other artists, especially Lady Gaga, are way too new to have any sort of objectivity or grand opinion made of them. Eminem's first LP was released in 1995, and Slim Shady came out in 1999. He's had 7 albums released, plus 8 Mile and its soundtrack. He's an artist that we can safely call "influential". Lady Gaga has basically had an LP then an EP, the first of which was released in 2008. It's really not be in long enough to look at her "career" as a whole and judge it.

Oh, and on comparing her to Bowie, don't. I've written about an essay's-worth of material showing how she is not at all like Bowie, but decided to spare you all from the long-windedness of it. Needless to say, she doesn't stack up in any category. Even wearing women's clothing.

Oh, and two modern artists who will definitely be interesting to see how we judge them are Daft Punk and Muse. Daft Punk's Homework was released in 1997, and Muse's Showbiz was in 1999 (although Daft Punk first single was recorded and released in 1994 and Muse's first EP was recorded in 1997). I'm quite interested to hear others' opinions of them.

Posted by Weiner on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 05:01am

Rolling Stone's all over Gaga these days, but I just don't get it. I've heard a couple of her songs, and they're basically just dull dance-pop in my eyes, so I'm not interested in buying any of her stuff. Way too early to be judging her either way; let's see if she has some staying power over the next decade before we even think about her being in the Hall. I didn't like Destiny's Child hits when I was in middle school, and I don't like Beyonce hits now. Again, I'll have to see some more staying power before I even consider her for induction. The White Stripes? Great band, and they have caused some sort of garage rock revival and have plenty of material (6 albums), so I'm at least willing to think about the possibility. Eminem now has 14 years of being a rapper, 7 albums and a decade of success under his belt, so I think he's proven enough staying power. He's one of the most respected rappers of all time, a talented writer, and did bring white rappers back to the forefront, and is the only one besides the Beastie Boys to survive and have a lengthy career. I'm sure he's been influential in terms of showing white kids that they can do it, so I'd have no issue with his induction, as long as we get the earlier deserving rappers in first.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 19:37pm


I reserve comment on Daft Punk until I actually listen to them. I like Coldplay, and obviously commercially they're off to a great start (though if you don't like them then you think they're either a lightweight version of The Smiths, Radiohead wannabes or U2-lite.) I don't think they're Hall of Fame material quite yet, but they could be by the time they're eligible, and as long as they keep releasing critically acclaimed and commercially succesful material then, barring a huge scandal or meltdown, they'll get into Cleveland easily. In fact, they're close to being a lock right now, and have a new album out at the end of the year. Muse... well, the music that I've heard is pretty good, but Bellamy is kind of a Thom Yorke wannabe as a singer, which is a major turn-off. I won't pass judgement either way just yet.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 19:51pm


1. medley: Please Please Please/Try Me/Prisoner Of Love.

2.Medley: I Feel Good/Papa's Got A Brand New Bag

3.Medley: Living In America/Night Train.

Performed by : Tower Of Power,and The James Brown Band.

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 20:19pm


My 2010 votes:

ELO
The Spinners
The Marvalettes
The B-52s
The Doobie Brothers
Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers
The Zombies

Non-Perfs:

Seymour Stein
Tom Donahue

Early Infs:

Sonny Boy Williamson (Rice Miller)
The Ravens

'Yes' on the rule change.

Could we please get a vote recapping? Thanks!

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 06:06am


I'll explain perfrormers since I have the time:
Journey: This mainstream rock group created a memorable sound still followed to this day. You can hear their sound in Nickelback and Bon Jovi, which counts for something.
Thin Lizzy: We've done good with '70s hard rock, lets close the door on it by inducting this underrated group, an influence on Metallica.
Duran Duran: Critics hated them, but their sound is legendary and can be heard on the 2000's pop scene.
RHCP: Critcally acclaimed, and too big to ignore.

I'll finish up later

Posted by Jim on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 08:39am


Donnie, good call on Gene Pitney. I will be supporting him in the years to come as well.

Gassman, good call on Love. They are a great psychedelic LA 60s band to be inducted.

And Dezmond, I agree that there isn't really any aspects of Garage Rock in Love's Forever Changes. Listen to heir eponymous debut album, however, and it is very garage rock. Their transition from garage rock to psychedelic orchestral rock gives them a rich career, and one that is worthy of our HoF.

Posted by Jonny on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 15:30pm


I agree.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 15:44pm


In addition to the names being discussed, I'll be supporting The Righteous Brothers real soon as well as LaVern Baker (after reading up some more on her, I fully agree with her induction. She just got inducted too early. Surely, they should have inducted Ruth Brown first).

I think a girl group should get in soon again. It's just a matter of who to focus on first. There are 4/5 more worthy ones (The Chantels, The Ronettes, The Marvelettes, The Shangri-Las and maybe The Crystals). I think the Ronettes should probably get the push first since they're already in the Real Hall.

Also with the Electronica/Dance convo going on earlier. I'd like to add the Pet Shop Boys to the notables.

any word on voting updates?

Posted by Matt Love on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 16:24pm


I'd certainly like one.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 16:44pm


I got some bad news. My computer that they have been using here in Europe got a virus. I have been trying to get it off, but it takes forever and it isn't going anywhere. Fortunately my family just arrived and I am currently using my brothers computer, which means that I will be able to vote. Yet I think I am going to need to have somebody else take over and run the show for a while, until I get my computer fixed. Also I think I am going to put on hold the induction ceremony write ups until I get my situation under control. I am sorry for the inconvenience, this whole situation really sucks!

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 16:48pm


This is certainly unofficial, but it's based on the tally I keep for myself. I've counted 32 votes. The last one was from Paul In KY.

I'm going to be out of town and away from the computer for the next few days, so someone else will have to keep a running tally, but this should get you started:



Electric Light Orchestra 12
Red Hot Chili Peppers 11
Devo 9
Iron Maiden 9
Solomon Burke 9
Duran Duran 8

Dire Straits 7
Frankie Lymon And The Teenagers 7
Leonard Cohen 7
The Replacements 7

Emerson, Lake And Palmer 6
The Spinners 6
The Zombies 6
ABBA 5
Def Leppard 5
George Harrison 5
Hall And Oates 5
Husker Du 5
John Mellencamp 5
The B-52's 5
Afrika Bambaata 4
The Silver Apples 4
Donna Summer 3
Gram Parsons 3
Jackson Browne 3
LaVern Baker 3
The Beastie Boys 3
Thin Lizzy 3
Barry White 2
Bon Jovi 2
Can 2
Cat Stevens 2
Jimmy Cliff 2
Joan Jett And The Blackhearts 2
Journey 2
Phil Collins 2
Randy Newman 2
Sparks 2
The Carpenters 2
The Doobie Brothers 2
Tom Waits 2
Weird Al Yankovic 2
Bobby Womack 1
Brenda Lee 1
Buckner And Garcia 1
Captain Beefheart 1
Carole King 1
Chic 1
Esther Phillips 1
Gene Pitney 1
Heart 1
Kate Bush 1
Kool And The Gang 1
Linda Ronstadt 1
LL Cool J 1
Manfred Mann 1
Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds 1
Robert Plant 1
Sade 1
Scott Walker 1
Steppenwolf 1
Styx 1
The Alan Parsons Project 1
The Association 1
The Dead Kennedys 1
The Dells 1
The Flamingos 1
The Marvelettes 1
The Moonglows 1
The Psychedelic Furs 1
The Ventures 1
Wanda Jackson 1
War 1

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 17:15pm


"Electric Light Orchestra 12
Red Hot Chili Peppers 11
Devo 9
Iron Maiden 9
Solomon Burke 9
Duran Duran 8"

That's a good enough class that I can't nitpick over anything. But then:

"Dire Straits 7
Frankie Lymon And The Teenagers 7
Leonard Cohen 7
The Replacements 7"

I couldn't possibly complain about any pair of those being inducted, as long as whichever two that missed out got in soon. Excellent work everyone.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 18:27pm


Thanks Darren for the voting update!

I would agree that this looks like a good class! I have a feeling that once ELO gets in this year that ELP will get a lot of their votes for next year. Hopefully Dire Straits can pull it out, but I wouldn't object to Frankie Lymon and The Teenagers and Leonard Cohen as they both have waited a long time. The Replacements I feel like could wait another year as they have only been eligible for few years and our college/alt/indie rock collection is strong enough to hold on The Replacements for at least a year.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 18:46pm


The Everly Brothers

One of the greatest musical duos of all time, the Everly Brothers blended a harmony scheme that was unusually rich for being two-part, a firm rhythmic backbeat, and a wit and knowledge for the teenage crowd that combined together for an incredible amount of both success and influence in the late 1950's and early 1960's. Whether it was a soft love song, a country-pop flavored lick, or a cooker with youthful twist, the Everly Brothers remained the top commercially successful duo of the Rock era in both the realms of the pop and R&B scene for roughly three decades, and proved successful with just about everything they tried. Despite the conflict between the two brothers, Don and Phil, the Everlys proved that when they worked together, excellence happened. It may not have been easy being the musical mold for teen idols, and while there will always be cheap imitations, the original genius and undeniable splendor of their singing abilities have landed them in both the Rock And Roll and Country Music Halls Of Fame. A duo that means so much to many people, we thank them, and honor them in our own revisitation of the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

Inductees: Don Everly and Phil Everly

Inducted by: Graham Nash

3 Songs of Proof: "Wake Up, Little Susie", "Poor Jenny", "On The Wings Of A Nightingale".

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 19:56pm


Thanks for the voting update, Darren.

"Electric Light Orchestra 12
Red Hot Chili Peppers 11
Devo 9
Iron Maiden 9
Solomon Burke 9
Duran Duran 8

Dire Straits 7
Frankie Lymon And The Teenagers 7
Leonard Cohen 7
The Replacements 7"

That's good. Real good. Obviously I would like to see Dire Straits take that last spot but I would have no problem with any of the other three taking it and Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers and Leonard Cohen have both been waiting a long time as Gassman said. Hope Solomon Burke hangs in there and I've got my fingers crossed that this means the Zombies, the Spinners and ELP get in next year.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 01:00am


Darren's unofficial tally matches up with a count I've been keeping

EXCEPT

I had Dire Straits on 8
and Duran Duran on 7
(instead of the other way around)...

I haven't gone back and checked... can someone confirm which is right ?

As Gassman is having PC problems so we do not have an "official" count, I guess.

Posted by Darrin A on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 02:47am



Darren was correct. My apologies. I went back to check. The correct totals for Dire Straits and Duran Duran are indeed 7 and 8 respectively.

Posted by Darrin A on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 04:17am


I can try to keep a running tab on the votes here in Gassman's place if everyone would like?


And when does voting close for this class?

Posted by Donnie on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 06:50am


I believe voting closes tomorrow at 3 est.

Posted by DC on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 09:16am


My 12 suggestions for the year:

1) RHCP - This year's no-brainer first ballot inductee.
2) The Hollies - One of the greatest, most influential, most innovative, long-lasting, and beloved bands of the 60s. From R&B covers to ("Stay" and "Searchin") to psychadelic masterpieces ("Dear Eloise" and "King Midas in Reverse") to pure pop ("Carrie Ann" and "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother"), this Manchester band could do it all.
3) Lovin' Spoonful - Along with the Hollies, the only 60s band in the real hall thats not in ours. As one of the leaders of the folk-rock scene, I don't know why more ppl aren't supporting this great band. Their string of hits in the 60s is one of the strongest of the decade. And as far influence, if you watch their 60s clips it's easy to see where Slash derived his image and style.
4) Del Shannon - One of the key representatives of rock n' roll between the initial wave of R&R and the second wave in '64. Kept rock & roll on the map with the number 1 hit Runaway in '61 and many other great hits. His falsetto style, rockin' image, and innovative instrumentation made him one of the more influential singer-songwriters of the period
5) Lloyd Price - One of the very most popular and influential R&B singers of the late 50s, Price refined the New Orleans sound and brought it to the top of the charts. Had 2 numbers 1 hits: "Lawdy Miss Clawdy" and "Stagger Lee".
6) Paul Revere & the Raiders - Another groundbreaking 60s rock band, these guys mastered the garage rock sound into a string of diverse and exciting songs. For those unfamiliar with their body of work I suggest starting out on "Hungry" and "Steppin' Out". Their music is much stronger and powerful than their cheesy image suggests so PLEASE give these guys a shot, there's a lot more to them than the Revolutionary War costumes.
7) The Carpenters - One of the greatest pop-rock bands IMO. Their early 70s hits raised the bar for soft rock song-writing, harmonies, and orchestration and they set the standard for pop perfection. IMO, the Hall should have inducted The Carpenters before ABBA.
8) Solomon Burke - I'm pleased as punch to see we're finally inducting another R&B pioneer. Burke brought blues, gospel, and soul together to create the Philly sound.
9) Steppenwolf - I am surprised to see many ppl dismiss Steppenwolf as irrelevant or one-hot-wonders. Their hard, bluesy, rockin' sound was a direct bridge between late 60s hard rock and early 70s metal. They literally invented the phrase "Heavy Metal" in "Born to Be Wild". "The Pusher" "Sookie Sookie" "Magic Carpet Ride" "Snowblind Friend" and "Rock Me" are all anthems of a generation.
10) LaVern Baker - Baker is THE earliest artists inducted in the real hall but not in ours. Why have we neglected to induct her? Easily one of the most important R&B singers of the era, and one of Atlantic's first bona-fide stars. Just check out "Tweedle Dee" - GREAT.
11) John Cougar Mellencamp - During the 80s, Mellencamp was one of the few artists to remind us what rock & roll is really about. Following in the tradition of Springsteen, Mellecamp sings about blue-collar life and love in America. His career has endured through FIVE decades and he's still THE rock icon of Middle America.
12) Gene Pitney - Along with Del Shannon, another important artist who kept the rock & roll torch burning in the early '60s. Not only did he have a string of early rock classics ("Town Without Pity" "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence", "Only Love Can Break a Heart", "It Hurts to Be in Love", "I'm Gonna Be Strong") he also wrote a great deal of rock classics for other artists ("Red Rubber Ball", "Hello Mary Lou", "He's a Rebel"). Pitney would a GREAT addition to our HoF.

Posted by Jonny on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 14:41pm


My picks.

Emerson Lake And Palmer - A classic Prog Rock band with one of the best keyboardists in the history of rock.

Can - Their early stuff was among some of the best in Krautrock.

ELO - One of the first mainstream rock bands to heavily feature classical instruments.

The Dead Kennedys - A great Hardcore Punk band who played heavy but still had melody and didnt end up sounding like a bunch of noise.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 14:54pm


You know GFW, you can add three more performers inductees. There is still time to enhance your selections.

Also to note: you are one of the first posters to mention the Dead Kennedys. I had forgotten about those guys. I may very well add them for my 2011 inductees list. Considering the real Rock Hall's reluctance to induct politically-charged punk, and considering Jello Biafra's reluctance to have any relationship with his previous bandmates, and with mutual feelings from the bandmates, the Revisited Rock Hall will be a great place to induct the Dead Kennedys.

Please do not call John Mellencamp "Cougar", or worse, "Johnny",

Lax27

Posted by Lax27 on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 18:06pm


Performers:

Electric Light Orchestra
Iron Maiden
Silver Apples
Solomon Burke
Leonard Cohen
The Zombies
Can

Non-Performers:

Tom Donahue
Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfeld

Influences:

The Kingston Trio
Eddie Lang

Sidemen:

Del Casher
The Andantes


"Just for everyone's information, the last election of the fall (and year) should be the 2026 class. I know once we go a few weeks or months without an election, some people will get a little trigger happy...but I think we should try and keep the ten year's distance and return for the 2027 class next September (right before the Cleveland Hall announces their 2012 nominees)."

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 18:23pm


Sounds good.

Posted by Ray on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 19:12pm


My Votes

Non-Performers
Hayes/ Porter - These guys were the main songwriters at Stax Records, home of Otis Redding, Sam & Dave, Carla Wilson, and many more. Their songwriting style defined the Memphis Sound in the mid/late 60s with songs such as "Soul Man" and "Hold On, I'm Comin". A very necessary songwriting duo for our HoF.
Bacharach/ David

Influences
The Kingston Trio
Jerry Roll Morton

Sidemen
Rob Sabino - Sabino is one of, if not THE, most prolific session keyboardist of the 70s and 80s. He was a key musician in the New York disco and dance movement of the late 70s/ early 80s, playing on everything from Sister Sledge's "We Are Family", Chic's "Good Times" and "Le Freak", Donna Summers "I'm Comin' Up", Madonna's "Like a Virgin", and David Bowie's "Modern Love". Has played for Simon & Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Jeff Beck, Mick Jagger, Todd Rundgren, Peter Frampton, Steve Winwood, Carly Simon, and many, many more.
The Mar-Keys - The session band at Stax records. They were formed in the mold of Booker T & the Mgs but took over as the main session band in the late 60s, playing on Isaac Haye's legendary "Hot Buttered Soul" album as well as recording their own hits (most notably, "Soul Finger").

Posted by Jonny on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 20:21pm


Electric Light Orchestra 14
Red Hot Chili Peppers 11
Iron Maiden 10
Solomon Burke 10
Devo 9
Leonard Cohen 8
Duran Duran 8

We have our seven inductees, for now. Still with a chance to sneak in:

Dire Straits 7
Emerson Lake & Palmer 7
Frankie Lymon And The Teenagers 7
The Replacements 7
The Zombies 7 (If things stay as they are, then hopefully these 5 will all get in soon.)

Honorable mentions:

The Spinners 6
The Zombies 6
ABBA 5
Def Leppard 5
George Harrison 5
Hall And Oates 5
Husker Du 5
John Mellencamp 5
The B-52's 5
The Silver Apples 5
Afrika Bambaata 4
Can 4
Donna Summer 3
Gram Parsons 3
Jackson Browne 3
LaVern Baker 3
The Beastie Boys 3
Thin Lizzy 3
Barry White 2
Bon Jovi 2
Cat Stevens 2
Jimmy Cliff 2
Joan Jett And The Blackhearts 2
Journey 2
Phil Collins 2
Randy Newman 2
Sparks 2
The Carpenters 2
The Dead Kennedys 2
The Doobie Brothers 2
Tom Waits 2
Weird Al Yankovic 2
Bobby Womack 1
Brenda Lee 1
Buckner And Garcia 1
Captain Beefheart 1
Carole King 1
Chic 1
Esther Phillips 1
Gene Pitney 1
Heart 1
Kate Bush 1
Kool And The Gang 1
Linda Ronstadt 1
LL Cool J 1
Manfred Mann 1
Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds 1
Robert Plant 1
Sade 1
Scott Walker 1
Steppenwolf 1
Styx 1
The Alan Parsons Project 1
The Association 1
The Dells 1
The Flamingos 1
The Marvelettes 1
The Moonglows 1
The Psychedelic Furs 1
The Ventures 1
Wanda Jackson 1
War 1

GFW gets 3 more Performer votes, plus all the other votes if he wants, and voting closes tomorrow at 3 p.m. ET. I'm going to be away tomorrow, so anyone who wants to close it may do so.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 20:28pm


MY VOTES

1) The Hollies
2) Lovin' Spoonful
3) Solomon Burke
4) Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers
5) The Spinners
6) John Cougar Mellencamp
7) Del Shannon

Posted by Jonny on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 20:54pm


Performers:
Iron Maiden
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Dire Straits
Solomon Burke
Leonard Cohen
The Replacements
The Jesus & Mary Chain

Non Performers:
Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfel
Robert ‘Mutt’ Lange

Influences:
The Kingston Trio
The Ink Spots

Sidemen:
Jim Horn
The Andantes

Rule:
Yes (not that I ever vote early enough for it to matter)

Posted by obutiny on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 22:48pm


I'll go ahead and close the voting tomorrow.

Here is a full voting update, using Sam's numbers for the Performers section, and counting Jonny and obutiny's votes.

Electric Light Orchestra 14
Solomon Burke 12
Iron Maiden 11
Red Hot Chili Peppers 11
Leonard Cohen 9
Devo 9
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Dire Straits 8
Duran Duran 8
Emerson, Lake & Palmer 8
Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers 8
The Replacements 8
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The Spinners 7
The Zombies 7
John Mellencamp 6
ABBA 5
The B-52's 5
Def Leppard 5
George Harrison 5
Daryl Hall & John Oates 5
Husker Du 5
Silver Apples 5
Afrika Bambaataa 4
Can 4
LaVern Baker 3
The Beastie Boys 3
Jackson Browne 3
Gram Parsons 3
Donna Summer 3
Thin Lizzy 3
Bon Jovi 2
The Carpenters 2
Jimmy Cliff 2
Phil Collins 2
The Dead Kennedys 2
The Doobie Brothers 2
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts 2
Journey 2
Randy Newman 2
Sparks 2
Cat Stevens 2
Tom Waits 2
Barry White 2
Weird Al Yankovic 2
The Association 1
Buckner & Garcia 1
Kate Bush 1
Captain Beefheart 1
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds 1
Chic 1
The Dells 1
The Flamingos 1
Heart 1
The Hollies 1
Wanda Jackson 1
The Jesus & Mary Chain 1
Carole King 1
Kool & The Gang 1
Brenda Lee 1
LL Cool J 1
The Lovin’ Spoonful 1
Manfred Mann 1
The Marvelettes 1
The Moonglows 1
The Alan Parsons Project 1
Esther Phillips 1
Gene Pitney 1
Robert Plant 1
The Psychedelic Furs 1
Linda Ronstadt 1
Sade 1
Del Shannon 1
Steppenwolf 1
Styx 1
The Ventures 1
Scott Walker 1
War 1
Bobby Womack 1


Non Performers

Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfeld 10
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Tom Donahue 7
Robert “Mutt” Lange 7
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Burt Bacharach & Hal David 4
Daniel Lanois 4
Johnny Otis 3
Seymour Stein 3
Tony Wilson 3
Milt Gabler 2
Todd Rundgren 2
Ted Templeman 2
Don Arden 1
Nickolas Ashford & Valerie Simpson 1
Roy Thomas Baker 1
Thom Bell & Linda Creed 1
Bob Geldof 1
Giorgio Gomelsky 1
Donna Halper 1
Hayes & Porter 1
Reinhold Mack 1
Willie Mitchell 1
Laura Nyro 1
Red Beard 1
Rick Rubin 1
Howard Stern 1
The Tokens 1
Joel Whitburn 1
Brian Wilson 1


Influences

The Kingston Trio 13
Ravi Shankar 9
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The Ink Spots 5
The Ravens 5
Willie Nelson 4
Sonny Boy Williamson (II) 4
Duke Ellington 3
Lena Horne 2
Eddie Lang 2
Jelly Roll Morton (& His Red Hot Peppers) 2
Johann Sebastian Bach
Charles Brown
The Clovers
The Crew Cuts
Mississippi John Hurt
Freddie King
Ben E. King
Ken Nordine
The Orioles
Charlie "Bird" Parker
Kurt Weill & Maxwell Anderson
Edgar Varse
Sonny Boy Williamson (I)


Sidemen

Kenny Aronoff 10
Jim Horn 10
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The Andantes 7
Daryl Stuermer 3
Del Casher 2
Rick Derringer 2
Mark Knopfler 2
Sam "The Man" Taylor 2
Steve Vai 2
Marc Benno
Jackie Brenston
T-Bone Burnett
The Cookies
Jesse Ed Davis
The Dixie Flyers
The Hi-Rhythm Section
The Mar-Keys
Shaun “Stoney” Murphy
Tony Peluso
Boots Randolph
Rob Sabino
Paul Shaffer
Huey 'Piano' Smith
Chester Thompson
Richard Tee
Tower Of Power

Posted by DC on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 23:45pm


Here are my votes:

1. Solomon Burke
2. The Spinners
3. Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers
4. The Spinners
5. Little Anthony & The Imperials
6. LaVern Baker
7. The Marvelettes

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 04:14am


Bill G. you voted for the Spinners twice

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 04:26am


Sorry . I voted for The Spinners twice. Place that other vote for The Dells.

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 04:31am


performers...beastie boys, solomon burke, def leppard, devo, husker du, red hot chili peppers, the spinners; non-performers...mutt lange, rick rubin; early influences...lena horne, willie nelson; sidemen...kenny aaronoff, steve vai

Posted by Speed King on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 09:40am


I honestly don't understand what all the Dire Straits fuss is about. Call me ignorant, but i don't really get when exactly they became HOF-caliber. Everyone seems to push for the them for 2 reasons:
A) Their music was good
B) Mark Knopfler was an influential guitarist
To which I have to say:
A)Thats a matter of opinion
B)Thats why you can vote for him as a sideman
But if they do get in because of his influence as a guitarist, then whats the problem with inducting a band like Journey because of Steve Perry's influence as a vocalist? (Rolling Stone even admits he had influence) I wouldn't throw a fit if the DS get in, but they're the definition of "You Can't Induct Everyone", especially since 80s roots rock is something we've covered quite well here. The DS are probably dead last in that category, since at least Mellencamp has built up a stable and enduring career for 30 years now. I'd hate for DS to get into a run-off with ELP and Duran Duran, since there's the possibility that two actual influential bands may be shoved aside for some B-level 80s act.

Anyways, hope people don't get too angry, this is just a thought I've had for awhile now, hopefully someone can answer this.

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 10:33am


Well Jim, I find it interesting that you dismiss people voting for them because "their music was good" as a matter of personal opinion when you yourself refer to them as a "B-level 80s act" which is also a personal opinion. I mean how does one measure "levels?" It's really up to the person who votes. Some may argue that KISS was totally undeserving of induction and have pushed for Donovan's induction while another may have completely dismissed Donovan as "insignificant" and praised KISS. What one person says may be the "worst inductee in our Hall" someone else will totally disagree with saying that inductee is an excellent choice. And the fact of the matter, both parties may have strong, solid support for their respective opinions. As for why Dire Straits deserve it, I take it you've missed both my own posts and Dezmond's posts on why they deserve to be in and if I've ever simplified my support for them as "they should get in because they're great and Mark Knopfler's a good guitarist" (which I don't believe I have but feel free to correct me), then it was simply a matter of me already expressing in detail prior why I feel they deserve it and it was me not wanting to sound like I'm repeating myself.

Speaking of sounding like I'm repeating myself, In terms of Mark Knopfler in as a session musician, I've already discussed in great detail why I think it's important Dire Straits get in first as a band BEFORE Mark Knopfler as a sideman and I'm not going to repeat myself. If you've missed the initial posts, you can scroll up a bit to find them, they weren't that long ago. Your answer to your second point ("Thats why you can vote for him as a sideman") totally makes me feel like my posts last week fell on deaf ears because that is NOT what I feel our sideman category should be for as I've already discussed. If Mark Knopfler should go in as a sideman it should be due to his session work, not because he was a "good guitarist who I don't feel measures up in the Performer category, so let's just get him in as a sideman" type logic. It's this kind of flawed logic that gets people to start voting for deserving R&B/soul acts or Ritchie Valens as an Influence because "they don't feel they'll have a shot in the Performer category."

I certainly hope your post doesn't turn people off from voting for Dire Straits because if someone feels Dire Straits is worthy then they are worthy.

Also, if you're in anyway offended by my response I apologize as that was not what I was aiming for.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 10:55am


Well KISS actually had undeniable influence though, so they're kinda hard to argue against. As for Donovan, well I never understood why he got in early so i agree with you there. I just don't think the DS quite meet the standards, for 3 reasons:
A) They weren't innovative (which you can say about alot of bands)
B) I haven't heard their anyone cite them as an influence
C) Their career doesn't scream "HOF" to me. At least other groups can point to longevity, impact of certain songs, and influence. DS can only point to the popularity of "Money For Nothing", which is becoming somewhat forgotten nowadays. DS were only around for about 12-13 years, and they had a decent first album, then flamed out until they fluked into a MTV hit. (Yes I'm aware they had other hits, but they're not that memorable unless you lived in the 80s or are a DS fan). They're not a bad band Tahvo, and I admire it when someone pushes for a band, its just ALOT of other bands right now are much more deserving. Plus they were, to me, a B-level 80s act, they were outshined by practically every other roots rock act (Mellencamp, U2, Springsteen) and are only seen as hall worthy probably because they associated themselves with those acts. Decent band, but definitely a "close, but no cigar" for me.

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 11:11am


I think my vote for The Bar-Kays changed to The Mar-Keys in the voting tally. An easy mistake to make, especially since they're both from Stax and have very similar names, but they are actually 2 completely different bands. The Mar-Keys were basically an early mix of Booker T & the MGs and The Memphis Horns. We don't need to honor The Mar-Keys because we have essentially already done that by inducting The MGs and The Memphis Horns. The Bar-Kays, however, followed AFTER these other groups and took Stax to a more sophisticated sound at the end of the 60s with their instrumental tracks and Isaac Haye's groundbreaking albums.

Posted by Jonny on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 11:24am


Jonny- you definitely wrote the Mar-Keys. But that's okay, I fixed it. :)

Posted by DC on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 11:30am


That's fair enough Jim and you make a good argument but since this isn't a small Hall we're working on here (7 Performers a year from 1986 to 2026 is hardly small), there's really not enough no-brainer legendary performers to fill all of these slots (like "The Immortals," pretty convenient how they just decided there was exactly 100 Immortals out there, isn't it? I think there's not any more than 30-40 "Immortal" artists out there and these are the one's who should truly be in a Hall of Fame but obviously this isn't what we're working on here). With all this in mind, it's inevitable that there's going to be artists in our Hall some people disagree with. One man's honey may be another man's poison so to speak.

I also find it sort of humorous that everybody who has a case against Dire Straits always dismiss their MTV stardom as a "fluke," (and don't really elaborate much more, it's like people dismissing the Monkees as "not playing their own instruments") and forgetting the innovative analog equipment alternative the band did with Brothers In Arms but that's a discussion for another day. In terms of "Yes I'm aware they had other hits, but they're not that memorable unless you lived in the 80s or are a DS fan" well that's not really that strong since I'm sure there are loads of people who only know KISS for "Rock and Roll All Night" and their makeup, the Clash for the song "London Calling" or have never even heard of everyone from the Platters to Devo and are we really going to let what John Q. Public thinks influence us here, let's not forget I may know nothing about baseball other than maybe one or two names (I don't live in the US, so in advance cut me some slack, lol) and that doesn't mean only the two names I know should be the only ones in a Baseball Hall of Fame.

In short I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 11:31am


That's fine Tahvo, and I'll admit that I myself am ignorant on some acts (Devo, Solomon Burke), but I also think we've covered that whole 80s roots rock quite well, and its time to move on, (although you probably need Mellencamp and *possibly* DS to close the door on it)

I'd like to talk about a band that hasn't gotten much support here, but many have said they'd be willing to support: Journey. Now arena rock doesn't exactly have the best reputation here, but Journey is an act that deserves some consideration. Aside from being the first band to use large video screens at concerts, Journey have shown influence in their music. Rolling Stone (who detests the band) listed Steve Perry as an influence on singers such as Rob Thomas, Chad Kroeger, and Chris Daughtry, and if they can admit their influence they obviously must have some. Journey also laid down the template for mainstream rock of the 80s, many bands, such as Bon Jovi, copied Journeys successful formula of using different styles of songs to different audiences. You didn't like their anthem? Well you'll like their hard rock song. And If you didn't like that, you'll like their ballad etc. It was an interesting formula and absolutely paved the way for mainstream rock in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s. Many people on here, when mentioning arena rock, have said that "Journey is the only band I'd vote for" so hopefully theres people who can make good on that statement, since we can't call ourselves a rock hall of fame and then proceed to ignore an entire section of rock history.

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 11:51am


Performers

Beastie Boys
ABBA
Donna Summer
Spinners
Afrika Bambaataa
Leonard Cohen
Red Hot Chili Peppers

Influences
Kingston Trio
Ravi Shankar

Posted by Tennison on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 12:05pm


Jim, Dire Straits is one of my favorite bands, but I admit their "influence" argument is not as strong as many other candidates. I do think that their influence lies primarily with Knopfler's playing, and that playing is best expressed through Dire Straits (vs. solo or as a sideman). And 'Making Movies' was such a huge record overseas (not so much in the States, it took 'Brothers in Arms' to make the band a household name over here). But I do not think it is totally absurd to question whether they are Hall of Fame worthy, although I am certainly voting for them.

I agree with you on Journey, too. as far as representing the arena/corporate rock genre/era, we only need a few bands. And Journey should be at the top of that list. Let's not forget that before their huge early 80's hits, they were a really solid hard rock band of the 70's. And before that period, they were actually a decent prog rock band (I am speaking of pre-Steve Perry, their first three albums were without Perry). I would definitely support Journey when looking at the breadth of their entire career.

Posted by Dezmond on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 12:34pm


By my count it looks like the last few ballots settled our class at ELO, Burke, Maiden, RHCP, Cohen, Devo and Spinners with a two vote cushion separating the rest of the pack. Outstanding class!

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 12:57pm


Voting is Closed!

The Class of 2010 is:

Performers:

Solomon Burke
Leonard Cohen
Devo
Electric Light Orchestra
Iron Maiden
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Spinners

Non Performers:

Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfeld
Robert “Mutt” Lange

Influences:

The Kingston Trio
Ravi Shankar

Sidemen:

Kenny Aronoff
Jim Horn

Posted by DC on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 13:00pm


Voting's already over?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 13:09pm


Here are my write-ups on Johnny Cash and Bo Diddley


Johnny Cash

It is easy to understand why Johnny Cash is often considered to be one of the most influential musicians of the 20th century. Although he always saw himself as primarily a country artist and is no doubt one of the most important country musicians of all time, his influence and importance to rock and roll has been considerable. His songs were critical to the developing sound of rock and roll in the 1950s. He was not only one of the most significant pioneers of the early style of rock and roll known as rockabilly, but his contributions to music can be heard as far as blues, folk and gospel. Together with his signature "boom-chika-boom" sound and often with his backing band the Tennessee Three, Johnny Cash immortalized as "The Man in Black" produced timeless classics from the standard folk-blues and country blend that is "Folsom Prison Blues" to such well known songs as "I Walk the Line," "Ring of Fire," "Get Rhythm," "A Boy Named Sue" and "Sunday Morning Coming Down" to such lesser known gems as "I Still Miss Someone," "Flesh and Blood," "You’re the Nearest Thing to Heaven," "There You Go," "The Ways of a Woman in Love" and "Ballad of a Teenage Queen" to such early hits as "Hey, Porter" and the unforgettable cross-over hit "Guess Things Happen That Way" a song that perfectly contrasts Cash’s bass-baritone voice with a doo-wop vocal chorus. The Man in Black has inspired an endless list of fans from Willie Nelson to Waylon Jennings to Bob Dylan to Bruce Springsteen to the more modern day Indie and alternative rock circles. Few musicians can claim to have the talent of a man who spoke of the somber tones of life to humor to religion to the railroad. Johnny Cash epitomizes the American spirit.

Inducted by: Bruce Springsteen

Songs Performed:

1. "Folsom Prison Blues"
2. "I Walk the Line"
3. "Guess Things Happen That Way"

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Bo Diddley

Elias Otha Bates, a man better known as Bo Diddley has often been called "The Originator;" and this title does him justice. How would one begin to describe the undeniable genius of Bo Diddley? A vocalist, songwriter, guitarist and inventor who proved pivotal in the transition from blues to rock and roll, Bo Diddley would influence a countless number of musicians from Buddy Holly to Jimi Hendrix, the Rolling Stones to Eric Clapton and the Doors to ZZ Top among many others. With his trademark rectangular guitar and his explosive talent with such energetic songs as "Bo Diddley," with the illustrious and instantly recognizable guitar riff to the pioneering approach of the pick slide (albeit a reverse one) in "Road Runner" to the masterful use of the violin in the haunting instrumental "The Clock Strikes Twelve" Bo Diddley would pioneer a rumba-like sound that has become known as the "Bo Diddley beat." His dynamic sounds immersed in everything from pop ballad style songs to doo wop to R&B to blues to rock and roll truly shows us an originator.

Inducted by: Eric Burdon

Songs Performed:

1. "Bo Diddley"
2. "Road Runner"
3. "The Clock Strikes Twelve"

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 13:17pm


Among my Top 10 favorite classes along with 1997 & 2001-2006!

Electric Light Orchestra-no ELO, no Jeff Lynne production career, E.L.O. put him on the map, all his lavish, then 1980's roots rock productions really took off right here in 1970, 40 years ago!

The Spinners-For me these guys were Philly Soul back in the 1970-80s with "They Just Can't Stop It the (Games People Play)", "Rubberband Man", "I'll Be Around", "Could It Be I'm Falling In Love", "Then Came You", "Working My Way Back to You" and "Cupid" all on Top 40 radio!

Leonard Cohen-As Jeff Lynne sang in Illusions in G Major from Eldorado, A Symphony by The Electric Light Orchestra (Just named among the 50 Albums That Built Prog Rock by Classic Rock Magazine from their July 2010 issue) in 1974...

On the seven seas there was aphantom ship acoming,
Shinin' in the dead of night,
I heard the crew a hummin'
Tunes that sounded like the Rolling Stones and Leonard Cohen.
But they didn't know the words,
So I assumed that they was foreign.

CHORUS
But I heard them just the same doctor let me teach 'em,
I just wanna please 'em, doctor let me teach 'em.

I looked up in the sky there was a phantom plane a comin',
Shinin' in the dead of night,
I heard the pilot saying,
Poems that were written by John Keats and Robert Browning.
But he didn't know the words so,
I suppose that it was nothing.

CHORUS
But I heard them just the same doctor let me teach 'em,
I just wanna please 'em, doctor let me teach 'em.

Doctor please believe me, I know you won't decieve me,
But do these things I'm seein', have any hidden meaning.
It's all good entertainment and it doesn't cost a penny.
So please doc, let me teach 'em, if I could only reach 'em.

CHORUS
But I heard them just the same doctor let me teach 'em,
I just wanna please 'em, doctor let me teach 'em.

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 13:39pm


Thanks to everybody who voted for and supported Electric Light Orchestra up until their actual induction, then also, I'd like to apologize to Sam and obutiny for unfairly lumping them in with other people that I do not get along with on here!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 14:06pm


The induction speeches for the Rock Hall Revisited classes can be found here: http://www.futurerocklegends.com/Rock_Hall_Revisited_Inductees.php

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Wednesday, 11.3.10 @ 22:32pm


I grade The Rock Hall Revisited an A all the way. Fine work throughout-especially with progressive rock. Infinitely better than the snubfest of Cleveland.

Posted by classicrocker on Wednesday, 11.3.10 @ 23:04pm


Neil Diamond, Leon Russell, Dr. John & Alice Cooper need their "not in the Hall" designations removed from this page. Darlene Love & The Blossoms need their designation changed from "not in the Hall" to "only the lead performer is in the Hall of Fame".

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 12.14.10 @ 22:37pm


"I've been thinking ahead to the fall and about what I'd choose. I can't really choose who I'd nominate, but I can decide who I'd induct.

-The Miracles (tip of the hat to Bill G. for persistance)"

Posted by Sam.






"I'd pick...

The Miracles (I'm not familiar with many R&B groups and I like Tears Of A Clown so yeah)"

Posted by GFW

....Hey Guys-Good call.

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 01.30.11 @ 02:57am


A couple of comments here, based on the "early influence" list on the Snubbed board, as well as a couple of comments on this page about Rick Vendl II's age.

First, please do NOT use Wanda Jackson's induction as an early influence as some sort of basis to even think that the R&RHoF somehow expanded what "early influences" mean. Come on, think about it. Jackson was nominated as a performer, and she doesn't get enough votes, so all of a sudden that very same year they induct her as an early influence. Don't you find that strange? Ever consider why? Ever consider that Elvis Costello and Bruce Springsteen had been advocating for Wanda Jackson's induction over all those years? Could it be there was some sense that they needed to get it done and over with, so they did? I mean, Wanda Jackson didn't go solo and start releasing rock sides until AFTER Elvis Presley. How could she be early? It was a political induction, people. Mind you, Wanda Jacksons DESERVES to be in the R&RHoF, and I'm glad she's in, but that doesn't mean she was inducted in the right category, and seeing this was probably political, it doesn't mean her induction should be used as a precedent for every other 50s act. Think about it. The more times you get it wrong, the more worthless the award becomes, the more pointless it becomes to talk about it. Concentrate on getting it right, not getting it expedient.

Second, who says Rick Vendl II wasn't around for ELO's heyday? I'm under the impression Vendl is as old as me, and ELO's heyday was the mid to late 70s, my teenage years. So, if that's true, then Vendl doesn't need anybody else who was "around at that time" to tell him anything about ELO.

Besides, he owns the saucer. . . . okay, he doesn't own the saucer, but he would if he could, I know he would!

Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 13:39pm


I agree with you on Wanda Jackson.

I've mentioned before in the Projected project how Jackson definitely deserves induction, but not in the influences category. She was getting a strong push for that category, but if she were it wouldn't make sense.

I know our category is not "Early" influences, but Wanda was rock and roll, or at least as much so as Carl Perkins, who we have inducted as a performer.

The only reason I finally pushed for the Kingston Trio into influences was because there was a good enough arguement that they were purely folk. Wanda is definitely rock and roll and deserves to be in as a performer.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 14:34pm


Charles, yeah, we didn't base the decision off Wanda's induction as an Early Influence. The decision was made near the beginning that we would use the category for all "non-rock" artists, whose contributions had a sizeable impact on rock'n'roll. The problem became a matter of what was "rock" and what was "non-rock". IMO, a lot of acts that arguably got shafted got so because putting them on as Performers meant less ballot space for whatever indie/underground acts we were trying to get in that week/month/"induction year"

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 16:28pm


In fact, Charles, a bunch of us fought to keep Wanda Jackson from getting inducted as an Influence in our little version of it. We campaigned against it, and thankfully, it never happened.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 16:32pm


IMO, a lot of acts that arguably got shafted got so because putting them on as Performers meant less ballot space for whatever indie/underground acts we were trying to get in that week/month/"induction year"

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 16:28pm

LOL. I've missed you Philip. Good to see you again.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 17:03pm


Hey DarinRG, I never went away, but never had much interest in the Song or Album Projects.

And yeah, I kinda beat the horse dead, but I still feel we went a bit overboard and didn't get a very good diaspora/cross-section of rock'n'roll music after 1985 or so. It became mostly rap and inde/undie, and past nominees for the real hall couldn't get any serious consideration as Performers here. I even saw a number of comments that kinda came off as sighs and shrugs of resign. For me, it was the Clovers and Bobby Womack that really ticked me off. I thought they should have been Performers, but the impetus for more prog, punk, rap, indie and underground just meant no chance for them. And I thought that was an injustice. But we NEVER based our broadening of the Influence category off of Wanda's RL induction. It was always the "Influence" category.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 18:37pm


Philip, I think where I've always disagreed with you is that throwing around words like Indie, Alternative and Underground is just too overly broad. That's a big swath of the past 30 or so years of music being dismissed as if it's just some tiny little genre.

That said, I've come to agree with you about some of the earlier acts that you've advocated for being left behind. I've decided to save one ballot spot per year for one of our remaining pioneering acts.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 18:54pm


I've read your comments, and I appreciate them. I was told otherwise about Wanda Jackson being used as an excuse to induct the others. I'm glad we agree otherwise.

As far as those labeled "early influence," may I give some advice, though?

It is better that Esther Phillips, Billy Ward & the Dominoes and other R&B and doo wop acts who were contemporaries of current inductees be left off ANY list than to be put on the wrong list. Getting creative and putting them on the wrong list is to repeat the same mistakes the R&RHoF has already done with Dinah Washington (jazz to many, but R&B to jazz fans, and hey, if the jazz fans say she R&B, who are we to say otherwise?), Howlin' Wolf (Muddy Waters and John Lee Hooker are performers and Howlin' Wolf isn't, even after being nominated as such?), or Wanda Jackson. To put it another way, you don't want to screw up like the Hall. Don't shove them into early influence just because you want them in but also want others in. If they don't get the votes, leave them off.

Then there's the conundrum of musicians contemporary to rock & roll who are vastly influential on rock & roll but are not. You brought up the Kingston Trio. How about John Coltrane, Charles Mingus, Sonny Boy Williamson (the second guy), Son House, Mississippi John Hurt, Lightnin' Hopkins, Fred Neil, Dave Von Ronk. . . . all highly influential, all contemporaries. I mean, at least Miles Davis created a hybrid of rock and jazz now called jazz fusion, so you could make a case for him being inducted. What do you do with these others? There's four things you can do - leave them off, create a brand new category, induct them as performers or expand the renamed "musical excellence" category to more than just sidemen. There may be more ideas, but you need to figure it out.

Finally, and this goes along with the whole thing, don't let your agenda determine where other acts belong. They belong where they belong. You want your act in? You should do it the old-fashioned way - convince others that those acts are as important as you feel they are. If you can't convince them, then you either need to improve your persuasive skills, or you need to be patient until their attitudes change, or you need to re-examine things to see if maybe you have over-valued your act, as hard as that may be. And then go advocate another act that IS important as you feel it may be.

Thanks for your time.

Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 21:43pm


"Then there's the conundrum of musicians contemporary to rock & roll who are vastly influential on rock & roll but are not." -Charles Crossley, Jr.

I would include Kraftwerk in that conundrum and possibly Can.

Also, Rick Vendl II was born in the early 70s.

Posted by classicrocker on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 22:30pm


Charles, I think you're confusing Howlin' Wolf with Elmore James. To my knowledge, Howlin' Wolf was never nominated as a Performer, but Elmore James was. In the case of the Wolf, he had a modest pre-rock career (using '55 as the start of th Rock Era), and a modest one Rock Era. "Smokestack Lightning was from '56, but the double sided hit that included "Moanin' At Midnight" was from '51. So you could go either way there. For Elmore, "Dust My Broom" is probably the most important record of his, and was from '51 or '52. Hooker I won't even guess to explain. I think WE called him an Influence, just as we did with Willie Nelson, the Four Freshmen, and Gil Scott-Heron. And if memory serves, there was a buzz about trying to get Coltrane in our Revisitation/Projection as an Influence too.

Darin, I'll admit I lumped a lot of that scene together in the convenient label of "indie/undie" but it almost runs together anyway. I don't generally break them down any further because none of those subdivisions really make a big enough impact on their own to be heard/felt in the music world at large. It seems to me, those are usually things you have to be looking for in order to find it. I feel that if the division merits separate representation, it should be something that's easy to come across without necessarily looking for it. JMO.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 23:35pm


Howlin' Wolf was nominated for the performer category in 1989, Philip. Go check it out.

1951 is just as much rock & roll as 1956. Don't buy into the Elvis "1955" myth - Remember, Alan Freed popularized the term to cover early r&b, so that's the field you're playing in.

Actually, "Smokestack Lightning" would be considered the most important of Howlin' Wolf, and he was considered a god by the British blues rock bands. And if you bothered to explain Hooker, you'll find yourself pretty much saying exactly the same thing you said about Howlin' Wolf. If Hooker is a performer, why not Howlin' Wolf?

You already dumped Coltrane in the EI section.

Remember this, too. Nominator Robert Hilburn is already on record as wanting Willie Nelson and Patsy Cline nominated as performers (and for good reasons for both of them, I might add, even though he's so wrong about prog). Doesn't mean it's gonna happen, but if that's his way of thinking being a nominator, you'd do best to at least consider it while putting these things together.

Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Sunday, 07.24.11 @ 00:08am


Kraftwerk NOT rock? Ha! Influenced by the Velvet Underground, the Beatles, early Pink Floyd and the Beach Boys besides the obvious influence of composer Karlheinz Stockhausen. The British press at the time lumped them in a category called "Krautrock", and they were known as that throughout the 70s. Electronica, btw, is considered a subgenre of rock, and electronica starts with Kraftwerk. So, what is it about how you define rock that cuts out the historical facts behind Kraftwerk being rock? You need to go back to the books, classicrocker.

Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Sunday, 07.24.11 @ 00:16am


As for Vendl, even if he was born in the early 70s, that means he was culturally aware through much of ELO's heyday. Speaking as someone who was indeed there, Vendl has an overblown emphasis on ELO, and he'll be the first to admit he gets carried away. But that's not saying they aren't important. And when it comes to his facts, he is absolutely correct.

And, hey, over the years he's broaden his scope to include Genesis, Phil Collins solo and Chicago, so he's working on it.

Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Sunday, 07.24.11 @ 00:22am


"Electronica, btw, is considered a subgenre of rock, and electronica starts with Kraftwerk. So, what is it about how you define rock that cuts out the historical facts behind Kraftwerk being rock?"

My belief is that at some point there's a fine line between the prog groups like ELP, Genesis and Floyd and the more experimental types like Kraftwerk which are on the other side of that line. I have nothing whatsoever against what Kraftwerk contributed to the development of electronic driven music (krautrock or whatever tangential label is attached to it.) I think it depends on which meaning of the word "rock" is being used. If it's the traditional Happy Days rock & roll deal with the guitar, the drummer and the saxophone with The Fonz and Ritchie Cunningham at Arnolds then I don't think Kraftwerk would go over that well. If a panel was assembled consisting of Little Richard, Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis and James Brown I think they would conclude that The Carpenters were closer to rock & roll ground zero than Kraftwerk.

Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 07.24.11 @ 00:57am


Charles, where do you get your information on the Wolf being on the 1989 ballot? I looked here on this site and don't see him listed at all as having been nominated before. Care to point me to your source?

And really, I'm not playing in any field so much as trying to figure out what "field" the real Hall plays in. 1955 is the generally accepted year because that's when it is generally accepted as having it's first #1 hit (though some would claim it was really the Crew Cuts' "Sh-Boom", which was the previous year). Maybe his style of blues wasn't deemed close enough to rock, whereas Muddy and John Lee were, and it's moot too. I don't know why one and not the other. "Smokestack Lightning" was his most important record, but "Moanin' At Midnight" really established what kind of bluesman he was, so I feel that that's pretty important too.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.24.11 @ 12:46pm


Hi, Philip. Got my information from the Cleveland Plain Dealer on that one. Only the Plain Dealer reported on nominees back then. I'm currently looking for my copy of the page that article was on. It's gonna take awhile - it's paper. . . . I sent a request to the circulation desk to see if I could buy another copy of that page, in case that's a lot quicker.

Now that you've pointed it out, though, I Googled the Internet and looked through the websites, and that article would be the ONLY source for that info. If so, that would make it suspect (the Plain Dealer did occasionally make mistakes back then). It's certainly not in "The Unofficial Enecyclopedia of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame".

As for "Smokestack Lightnin'", forgive me. My eyes jumped from where you said "Dust My Broom" was Elmore James "most important record" up to "Moanin' After Midnight". I misread your post. And, yes, "Moanin'" became iconic for Howlin' Wolf. According to the insert from the MCA compilation "His Best", "Moanin' After Midnight" reached #8 on the R&B chart in 1951 and "Smokestack Lightnin'" reached #11 on the R&B chart in 1956 (the chart info on All Music Guide says #8 - hmmm). Remember, the methodology for calculating Billboard charts changes all the time, before Soundscan, sales on one chart may not count towards sales on another chart, and a lot of sales of R&B records by porters on trains, who sold a lot of R&B records, would go unreported. So, these are not insignificant chart positions here.

As for "generally accepted", say a lie long enough and people will believe it's true. Who cares when "Rock Around The Clock" hit #1? There are many who would argue that "Sixty Minute Man" by Billy Ward & The Dominoes (crossed over to pop in 1951, position #17, unheard of for such an overtly sexual song for that time) is where you should start ("I'm rockin', rollin', all night long. I'm your sixty minute man.") Some would point to Wynonie Harris' cover of Roy Brown's "Good Rockin' Tonight". Even Bill Haley released "Rock That Joint" in 1952 years before "Rock Around The Clock". Some would be less kind than what is "generally accepted" and claim 1956 is the year with Presley hitting #1 with "Heartbreak Hotel". It's just a bunch of talk. Think about it. Rock & roll didn't just suddenly appear out of nowhere. It developed over time, and that's what you should be looking at.

Speaking of which, as far as "what field the real Hall plays in," you'll see if you just go by their inductees, such as Ray Charles (1951), Fats Domino (1949), Little Richard (1951), the Coasters (1950), Bill Haley (1950, not counting one he recorded as a kid in 1943), B.B. King (1951), Big Joe Turner (1951), Muddy Waters (1948), John Lee Hooker (1948), Ike Turner (1951 or earlier), Ruth Brown (1948) and Miles Davis (1945), to borrow from something I posted about Big Mama Thornton on this site. It's obvious they're taking the same view. . . . unless it's not working out as quickly as they would like and they decided to circumvent the process (Washington, Wolf and Wanda, (w)hy, (w)hy, (w)hy. . . .).

When I get the Cleveland Plain Dealer article (it may take awhile), I'll let you know. Until then, or even then, I'll have to mark that detail "suspect" until corroborated.

Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Tuesday, 07.26.11 @ 05:06am


classicrocker sez:

"My belief is that at some point there's a fine line between the prog groups like ELP, Genesis and Floyd and the more experimental types like Kraftwerk which are on the other side of that line."

From what I'm getting from what you wrote, you're saying there's a fine line between one form of rock vs. another form of rock. So? It's all rock.

Remember what I said about the Beatles, the Beach Boys, the Velvet Underground and early Pink Floyd influencing Kraftwerk? How? Because all four of them were among the most experimental acts of their time, and Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider studied what they did. Are you going to try that fine line you use on Kraftwerk with those four acts, too?

One of the things that sets rock apart is what Chuck Berry called "the backbeat, you can't lose it." I was listening to the 22 minute version of "Autobahn" today, and guess what? There's a backbeat throughout that whole thing. See, there's a reason they called it rock back when Kraftwerk first came out - because it was.

As for the Happy Days crew's opinion of Kraftwerk, you could say the same about Led Zeppelin. You're gonna question LZ being rock because of that? And I wouldn't short-change Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis Presley or James Brown on what they thought was and wasn't rock - you may be right, but you really should find where they actually drew the line. Besides, in either case, you're talking more about preference than an actual appraisal of the music itself. What, you're going to base rock on what you like and what you don't like? Who are you? Jann "the S" Wenner? . . . ;)

Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Tuesday, 07.26.11 @ 05:21am


One of the things that sets rock apart is what Chuck Berry called "the backbeat, you can't lose it." I was listening to the 22 minute version of "Autobahn" today, and guess what? There's a backbeat throughout that whole thing. See, there's a reason they called it rock back when Kraftwerk first came out - because it was.

Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Tuesday, 07.26.11 @ 05:21am
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In mentioning this, I believe you've unwittingly hit upon the problem here.

The key diff. between Kraftwerk and the ELP/Genesis/Floyd end of prog lies w/in the drums. I listened to "Autobahn" myself, and while there is a rhythm, there are moments where it's barely perceptible. In addition, the "backbeat" is nothing more than a 4/4 style (for the most part).

The diff. is in the fact that the prog acts were fucntioning bands w/mobile rhythm sections. It's the diff. between live drummers and machines. The fact that a bass/snare combo can be simulated through technology does not mean that it's the same thing as a real drum kit.

Fact is, Mr. Berry could create a living backbeat that would lose these gents in a cloud of dust on said Autobahn, if he wished to.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 07.26.11 @ 07:18am


Well, let's start with the technicality. Kraftwerk originally had a drummer. His name was Wolfgang Flur.

Of course, they eventually went electronic, although it's interesting to note that there are still four that go on tour even though Kraftwerk is essentially Hutter and Schneider. Makes me wonder what each one does with their laptop (go look for a live performance of "Trans Europe Express" to see what I mean).

So, coming to your point, you're saying that because you want live drums, that Kraftwerk isn't rock, because Kraftwerk doesn't have live drums. I submit that has nothing to do with whether Kraftwerk is rock or not, and it has everything to do with you, and so your preference shouldn't be used to sideline Kraftwerk, or else you're just like the nominators who have sidelined prog all these years.

As for Chuck Berry creating "a living backbeat that would lose these gents in a cloud of dust on said Autobahn", may I remind you that when Kraftwerk went on tour in the U.S. (2005 and 2008), they did very well, and the tour culminated with a show at the Coachella festival in 2008 where the tent was not only packed but was overflowing. May I also remind you that DJ festivals are where tens if not hundreds of thousands of youth go to hear the likes Dangemau5, Tiesto, David Guetta and Swedish House Mafia mix up their various styles of electronica.

Say Chuck Berry opened up a tent across from Kraftwerk's back in 2008. If he was having a good night, I would expect that tent to be packed. But is it not reasonable to expect BOTH tents would be packed, and that the fans of one concert probably wouldn't be that interested in the other concert?

Which brings us back to preference, which was what you were actually talking about.

Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Tuesday, 07.26.11 @ 10:40am


So, coming to your point, you're saying that because you want live drums, that Kraftwerk isn't rock, because Kraftwerk doesn't have live drums. I submit that has nothing to do with whether Kraftwerk is rock or not, and it has everything to do with you, and so your preference shouldn't be used to sideline Kraftwerk, or else you're just like the nominators who have sidelined prog all these years.

Which brings us back to preference, which was what you were actually talking about.


Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Tuesday, 07.26.11 @ 10:40am
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First off, for a journalist to attempt to place words in another persons mouth suggests a questionable lack of procedure. Continue to correct me on my "preferences" sir - just make sure you don't slip up yourself :)

Second - you have completely failed to see just what I was aiming at. Perhaps a part of this is my fault.

Nobody is "sidelining" this group, nor is it the fact that I necessarily "want" live drums. Allow me to introduce two outside sources that I think might make this perspective a bit clearer:

"Rock Till You Drop" - John Strausbaugh (2001) - page 237

"But is a DJ really a substitute for a live band? Isn't the DJ electronica rave culture really a substitute not for rock, but for disco? There's something visceral about being in the same room with a live drummer, seeing live musicians onstage, that is a wholly different experience from the electronic dance club scene. Not more valid, just different."


"Hype!" - Montion Picture Soundtrack (1996) - Liner Notes:

"What we've attempted here is not a soundtrack per se, but a companion piece to the movie... shorthand for liberties were taken. Fuzz pedals get unplugged, microphones topple and drummers mistake 2 for 3 (the difference between rock and shtick)" - Mike Giacondino and Dave Rosencrans, Executive Producers of Production Execution

The last part is a small excerpt from what was written.

Perhaps this helps to better illustrate my point. When I mentioned a mobile rhythm section, I meant a human rhythm section, one that comes fraught with all the potential errors that human drummers are prone to make. One Kraftwerk dropped their original drummer, that all went out the window.

Do not get me wrong - I appreciate Kraftwerk as being experimental w/in the realms of computerized music (of all sorts). I appreicate "Autobahn" as a soundscape of sorts. The problem here is that there's no ability to "jam" here, since it's all coming from a computerized aesthetic. There's nothing being laid out on the line in human terms. This is the difference between the Yes's, Genesis's, Floyd's, etc. & Kraftwerk - nothing is being risked in human musical terms.

If you, sir, do not believe that a human element must be present w/in THE ACTUAL MUSIC, then I sorley question your ability to even recognize what makes a band rock, musch less what rock & roll even is. If you wish to quote me on my preferences, let it be stated then, that "humanity is my preference".

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 07.27.11 @ 08:14am


Charles, I take it your definition of "Rock Era" means it begins with the very first rock'n'roll record. I think the more commonly accepted definition is the time when rock'n'roll began to take over the pop scene. Other than hit or miss, Ray, Fats, Ruth, etc. didn't cross over to the pop scene until '55 or so.

The problem with your conveninece theory is that it took Ruth Brown 6 nominations to finally get in while Hooker I believe was only one or two. The NomCom never gave up on Ruth as a Performer. Elmore and Wanda are the ONLY two (according to this website) who were nominated as Performers, but inducted as Early Influences. (Of course Carole King and King Curtis are former Performer nominees inducted as a Non-Influence and Side-Man respectively). Washington (whose career goes back at least to the mid-'40s and imo was rightly put in as an EI), Willie Dixon, etc. were never considered Performers, only Influences. Personally, I think Miles, Hooker, and Big Joe should have been Early Influences (Big Joe also goes back to the 40's). Ruth Brown I could have gone either way with. The closes thing I can guess is that they look at Pop chart performance. When the bulk of that success was. Muddy Waters really became a force on the R&B charts (never on Pop) in the late '50s. Ray, Fats, Bill, B.B. all were huge in the latter half of the decade, and in the case of Ray and B.B., enjoyed eeven bigger success in the '60s or later. Miles' most influential albums (to rockers) were late '60s or later.

Like I said, I'm only trying to figure out why and how than trying to invent my own wheel. At least for right now.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 07.27.11 @ 13:18pm


I love these selections. I do believe you have created a Rockhall list that is superior to the true RHOF inductees. I think that your inductees would have few detractors, while the Cleveland Rock Hall has many. I love the fan voting aspect of it. Something like this could yield a viable alternative, analogous to the American Music Awards v. the Grammys. I have created a Rock Hall playlist, that I am thinking about replacing with these, more accurate and democratic selections.

Posted by Gordster on Thursday, 09.22.11 @ 06:37am


I love these selections. I do believe you have created a Rockhall list that is superior to the true RHOF inductees. I think that your inductees would have few detractors, while the Cleveland Rock Hall has many. I love the fan voting aspect of it.

Posted by Gordster on Thursday, 09.22.11 @ 06:37am
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Stick around, then. We're supposed to be voting on another class in the Projected section sometime this month, though we seem to be in a stall mode.

Just make sure to wander over to the Projected page, & you'll see everybody's most recent posts are setting up for it.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 09.23.11 @ 06:36am


Hi all. I hope I'm not stepping on any toes around here. I think this was a fantastic, fun idea, but I missed it. So I am repeating the experience on the internet movie database message boards. We have already completed the 1986 voting, but everything else is still ahead of us. If you missed the voting here, or just want to experience it all over again, come over and vote. I'm trying to get as many voters as possible for the best results. Link here:

http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000051/flat/189143281?p=2&d=189683995#189683995

Posted by jtrichey on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 12:28pm


Back to the "Kraftwerk-Topic":

The question is NOT: "Is kraftwerk a rock band"

The question is: "Did Kraftwerk have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll?"

The most plausible answer is: "Yes - they don't neatly fit into the `rock` genre, but their influences on today's rock landscape is undeniable!"

Posted by Soundcheck on Saturday, 12.31.11 @ 10:08am


Sylvia Robbinson NEEDS to be inducted as a non performer. This women is one of the most important record producers in history for her work in disco and rap. Robinson is credited as the mother of modern hip-hop, and an important influence on the formation of disco.


1. founder/CEO of the hip hop label Sugar Hill Records as well as Bon Ami Records which both housed early influences for rap.

2. She is credited as the driving force behind two landmark singles in rap. The first was "Rapper's Delight" by the Sugarhill Gang, which was the first rap song to be released by a hip hop act, The second was "The Message" by Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five which is credited as the rap song that brought socially conscious lyrics into hip hop.

3. "Pillow Talk" has been called an early example of prototypical disco music and went on to sell two million copies. The vocals are replete with moaning and heavy breathing, predating Donna Summer's orgasmic moans on "Love to Love You Baby". The drumming rhythm would reappear in 1985 on Kate Bush's "Running Up that Hill", then again in 1987 on Fleetwood Mac's "Big Love".

4. She invented "sampling" which revolutionized the music industry


more important singles to her name: Love is strange,singing background on Ike & Tina Turner's hit single, "It's Gonna Work Out Fine".

Posted by Mikhail on Sunday, 08.5.12 @ 03:42am


deserved women:

Kate Bush

Carol Kaye of "The Wrecking Crew" for being one of the most widely known bass players ever

Ella Fitzgerald as early influence

Nina Simone

Pat Benatar

Sylvia Robinson as a non performer for being the mother of Hip Hop

Linda Ronstadt

Bjork

Patsy Cline

Janet Jackson

The "wife" sections of a few important husband and wife sonwriting teams I am too lazy to look up.

Karen Carpenter of The Carpenders

The Marvelettes

Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth

Mary Wells

Donna Summer who will be getting in in about a day

Cher EITHER solo or with Sonny (not both)

D'arcy Wretzky of the smashing pumpkins

Nancy and Anne Wilson of Heart

Carol King Solo

Sandy Denny of Fairport Convention

Tina Turner Solo

Mariah Carey

Diana Ross solo

Dolly Parton

Mary Ford as a sideman to les paul(First person ever to be double tracked, and thus perhaps one of the most important footnotes ever as it is)

destiny's Child/Beyonce

Joan Jett/Black Hearts OR the runnaways

Also countless underground acts who easily could have Posthumous popularity one day. I have my eye on Kath Bloom, Vashti Bunyan, and karen dalton)






Maybe, but likely not/perhaps in distant future:

Siouxsie and the Bansheesthes for undeniable early alternative innovation

go gos

stevie nicks solo

A number of Mowtown Groups

Carly Simon

sydney Lauper

Judy Collins

Barbra streisand

Amy Winehouse/Adele for impressive early legacies

Lady Gaga (likely, whether you like it or not)

celine dion

Janis Ian (naw)

Edith piaf

Lucinda Williams (naw)

Joan Baez (naw)

Nico (Also could remain one of the most important footnotes in history, respectivley was a major influence on elliot smith and other notable Acts)

Throwing muses/Cocteau Twins for early alternative innovation, though likely not






Up to three of the following puzzling 90s acts I can't seem to find a place for:

Portishead for being the second most important band in forming trip hop

Tracy chapman for being a close second in the 3rd S/S wave, and one or two timeless songs

Tori Amos for Fantastic innovative/influencial compositions and songwriting(Who I personally hope gets in)

PJ Harvey for being a critic darling and having the most mercury prizes

Alanis morissette for major sucess and influence

Suzanne Vega for being the first in the 3rd singer/songwriter wave (probrably not though)

Sarah McLachlan for creating the Lilith Fair tour

The cranberries (3 or 4 timeless 90s hits may be enough, especially if 2 can get Blondie in)

Sheryl Crow for too many hits.

The Cardigans






Slim Chance 90s acts:

Sinnhead Oconnor/Fiona Apple/hole, they might not get in for acting like crazy period junkies, but the rock hall seems to like that shit being all 3 are on the "greatest 500 albums" list

The Breeders/Mazzy Star/The Sundays/Eva Cassidy are notible mentions

Posted by Mikhail on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 22:17pm


YES
YES
YES
YES

Posted by Steven Brinson on Wednesday, 03.13.13 @ 14:20pm


The hall will be complete until ELO, Deep Purple, King Crimson, Yes and Chicago entering.

Electric Light Orchestra

Deep Purple

King Crimson

Yes

Chicago

Posted by Linda on Wednesday, 08.7.13 @ 21:24pm


Will NOT... lol!

Posted by Linda on Wednesday, 08.7.13 @ 21:50pm


I think it's shameful that Connie Francis is not in the Hall of Fame. She was very successful and much loved in the fifties and early sixties.

Posted by Denise on Saturday, 12.28.13 @ 02:44am


Voting on classes 2011 and beyond continues over at the Rock Hall Projected page.

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