Future Rock Legends predicts the 2012
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees


The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee held their meeting in New York on September 12, 2011 to determine the nominees for the 2012 induction ceremony.

The nominees will be announced on Tuesday, September 27th.

Update: The 15 nominees have been announced.

Future Rock Legends predicts the following fifteen eligible artists will be on the 2012 ballot:

Artists who have recently appeared on the ballot...

  • Beastie Boys - The Beastie Boys have previously been nominated in 2008 and last year. It's time for the Voting Committee to do their part to get them in.
    Current Induction Chances: 82%

  • KISS - The Induction Ceremony is back in Cleveland next year so it would seemingly make sense to nominate artists with passionate fans to energize the proceedings.
    Current Induction Chances: 40%

  • LL Cool J - LL Cool J has been nominated every year since becoming eligible in 2009, and his supporters on the Nominating Committee haven't gone away.
    Current Induction Chances: 45%

  • Donna Summer - Summer has been nominated three out of the last four years and likely will be again.
    Current Induction Chances: 55%

  • Chic - Chic is the current leader with the most nominations without being inducted (six). There's really no reason to believe that they won't be nominated again.
    Current Induction Chances: 40%

  • Laura Nyro - The last time the Rock Hall posthumously inducted a main performer into the Rock Hall was 2006 when Miles Davis was honored. Do voters find it easier to snub dead artists?
    Current Induction Chances: 31%

  • Joe Tex - Joe Tex (who would be another posthumous induction) has been nominated four times without getting over the hump.
    Current Induction Chances: 5%

  • Donovan - Donovan will likely be nominated for the second consecutive year.
    Current Induction Chances: 11%

  • Gram Parsons - The Rock Hall plans to look at the country roots of the rock and roll tree this year. Gram Parsons has been nominated three times before ('02, '04 and '05).
    Current Induction Chances: 41%

Now for artists predicted to make the ballot for the first time...
  • Guns N' Roses - It's been three years since a first-ballot Hall of Famer was inducted. Guns N' Roses have a great chance this year.
    Current Induction Chances: 76%

  • Sting - Sting just seems too entrenched in the music industry to be ignored by the Hall of Fame.
    Current Induction Chances: 53%

  • Rush - The only reason they are on this list is because the ceremony will be in Cleveland, and the Rock Hall Museum would love to have them included. Rush still faces huge obstacles to get on the ballot, but the iciness on the Nominating Committee towards them may be thawing.
    Current Induction Chances: 16%

  • Joan Jett - With the Rock Hall's celebrated "Women Who Rock" exhibit this year, it would be wrong not to include at least one of the featured performers on the ballot.
    Current Induction Chances: 16%

  • Fela - Fela has gotten a lot of publicity recently thanks to a hit Broadway musical.
    Current Induction Chances: 4%

  • Sonic Youth - It's encouraging to see that Sonic Youth has been taken seriously by the Nominating Committee. The next step is to get them on the ballot.
    Current Induction Chances: 57%

The "Current Induction Chances" represent the artist's odds of ever being inducted into the Hall of Fame, as calculated by Future Rock Legends and its users.

[Predictions posted September 10, 2011]

Future Rock Legends forecasts which of today's artists will be the next generation's Rock & Roll Hall of Famers by using a combination of historically predictive criteria, user votes, and nomination patterns. The official nominees are determined by the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation's 35-member Nominating Committee.

Artists are eligible for the Rock Hall 25 years after releasing their first record (anyone with a record released up through 1986). Future Rock Legends lists eligible artists by first year of eligiblity or alphabetically.

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I'll have a go:

-KISS: The outrage over them not making the cut in 2009 was huge. Now that Alice Cooper's in their last obstacle to getting back on the ballot is gone.

-Laura Nyro: Alice says he'll vote for her, and the Hall loves singer-songwriters.

-Bon Jovi: I must be the only person here who wasn't surprised to see them make the ballot. I didn't necessarily agree with it but oh well. 25th anniversary of Slippery When Wet so they're sure to get back on, but I don't think this is their year for getting in.

-Guns 'n' Roses: The Hall hasn't inducted anybody first ballot in five years. Here they have a fresh induction.

-J. Geils Band: They'll be nominated again over far more deserving candidates. They'll be shot down again. Rinse, repeat...

-Red Hot Chili Peppers: Surprisingly missed the cut first go round, but they have a new album coming out in two weeks. Respected name with popularity and longevity.

-Beastie Boys: The Hall doesn't seem to know what they're doing with these guys. They put them on a ballot with Afrika Bambatta in 2008; both missed the cut. They rejected them in favor of LL Cool J in 2009, and he missed the cut. Last year they put both on the ballot, and they split the vote. I think this year they'll learn their lesson and put just the Beasties on the ballot, and they'll have a very good shot at getting in.

-Donna Summer: More R&B representation, and if she gets in then electronica will finally be represented.

-Chic: I think once you have them and Donna Summer you've properly represented Disco.

-Donovan: Back on the shortlist thanks to Alice Cooper's endorsement.

-Joe Tex and Chuck Willis: Old names that have been brought back into the conversation; both were on the ballot last year.

Those are my picks, but don't rule out:

-Def Leppard: More critically respected than Bon Jovi and have been considered before, so they could benefit from the latter's nomination.

-Deep Purple: The tide is slowly turning towards them receiving a nomination. Only a matter of time now...

-Yes: The best chances of all the prog groups.

-Soundgarden: This is the 25th anniversary of Deep Six so not this year, but will happen very soon (new album out in December).

-Eric B. & Rakim: Well-respected second-wave rap duo. Paid In Full is essential listening for anyone interested in the genre. Probably not enough of a big name to get in, but stranger things have happened

-MC5: The last essential from the "Detroit Rock" scene (sorry Ted Nugent, not quite). The Stooges and Alice Cooper being in gives them a chance

-Kraftwerk: An acquired taste, not much commercial success and eight years since their nomination, so the window of opportunity has probably closed, but such a huge influence that they'll always be in the discussion

-New York Dolls: In the same boat as the MC5. If KISS and/or Guns 'n' Roses get in they'll likely name-drop them.

-The Cure: Window of opportunity's closing, but near the front of the queue as far as Alternative's concerned

-Depeche Mode: See The Cure, and another acquired taste, but how many people are hugely respected, can still sell out stadiums AND have sold 100 million records?

-LL Cool J: He'll always be in their sights

Posted by Sam on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 05:04am


My 2012 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees Predictions

MOTOWN

01. The Miracles
02. Mary Wells
03. The Marvelettes

SINGER/SONGWRITERS THE ROCK HALL WILL KEEP NOMINATING UNTIL INDUCTED

04. Chuck Willis
05. Joe Tex
06. Gram Parsons
07. Randy Newman
08. Cat Stevens
09. Donovan
10. Laura Nyro

ROCK AND ROLL

11. Chicago
12. The Moody Blues
13. Deep Purple
14. Yes
15. War
16. KISS
17. Bon Jovi
18. Stevie Ray Vaughan
19. Red Hot Chili Peppers
20. Guns N' Roses

DISCO

21. Chic
22. Donna Summer

RAP

23. The Beastie Boys
24. Afrika Bambaataa
25. LL Cool J

OUTSIDE LOOKING IN

26. Chubby Checker
27. The Monkees
28. Jan and Dean
29. Joan Baez
30. Judy Collins
31. Peter, Paul and Mary
32. The Kingston Trio

MY 2012 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES PREDICTION

01. The Miracles
02. Mary Wells
03. Chicago
04. Deep Purple
05. Guns N' Roses

Posted by Roy on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 06:24am


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAxjAdnrU5U&list=PL8CC868B5C4F36488

Smokey was interviewed on On Saturday, June 18, 2011, at the Roll Hall of Fame Museum’s Foster Theater. During the interview, Smokey said that he has been actively campaigning for the induction of ALL of the Miracles into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame.The video was streamed live on The Rock Hall website that day. 3 members of the Nominating Committee were in attendance, and 1 of them, Dr. Lauren Onkey, the Rock Hall’s Vice President of Education and Public Programs, actually conducted the interview. Her response to Smokey was : "I second THAT emotion ".

The Miracles 2009 induction onto the Hollywood Walk of Fame, all the fan emails to the Rock Hall, and Smokey Robinson's Rock Hall interview with Dr. Onkey this year is a sign!!

The Miracles will finally be inducted into The Rock Hall in 2012!

The 2012 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

The Miracles

01. William "Smokey" Robinson
02. Warren "Pete" Moore
03. Robert "Bobby" Rogers
04. Ronald "Ronnie" White
05. Claudette Rogers
06. Marvin Tarplin
07. Billy Griffin

Posted by Roy on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 06:45am


THE 2012 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. The Miracles
02. Mary Wells
03. Chicago
04. Deep Purple
05. Guns N' Roses

Posted by Roy on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 07:15am


Now we can discuss and influence the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee as to whom will be inducted for their Class of 2012. I will say this; for the next several years, all inductees into the actual Hall of Fame will be taken from whom we have inducted into our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall, a more egalitarian and truthful Hall of Fame if I do say so myself. Here then are five that I believe will be inducted in the Performers category.

Peter Gabriel: With Genesis now inducted, and Gabriel already having received the Polar Music Prize; it is now time for the RRHOF to induct Peter Gabriel on his own accord. For myself, I have stated on this website the need for Genesis' classic line-up to be inducted individually as well as collectively. Yet, of all their solo ventures, Peter Gabriel has been the past member to eclipse his Genesis years. In VH1's revised 100 Greatest Artists of All Time, Genesis was ranked at #63. Peter Gabriel was ranked at #55. It is my belief that Gabriel will be the virtual lock for induction next year. Also, with the 25th anniversary of So approaching, now would be the perfect time for an induction to occur.

Guns N' Roses: Easily one of the better rock acts of their era. Quite possibly a virtual lock as well. Now if only Axl Rose can get into the same building with Slash, izzy stradlin and Duff McKagen (Steven Adler or Matt Sorum does not matter); that would be a reunion worth watching.

Donna Summer: One of the most important r&b and dance artists of the era and for any era. Very innovative in her approaches during the middle to late 1970s; I would say Summer popularized, along with Giorgio Moroder, the emerging electronic scene before any mainstream artist thought of such ideas.

Janet Jackson: with Michael Jackson inducted, and the Jackson Five inducted, it is only reasonable that Janet Jackson gets her long awaited induction. Perhaps since this is the 25th anniversary of Jackson's breakthrough Control album, the RRHOF will induct this highly innovative artist of such varied influences and sounds.

Rush: an induction for one of the better virtuoso bands of their time is long overdue. Their albums still sound as intriguing and innovative as they did when the albums were first released. And to think; it is just three guys doing all the writing and performing.

So, those are the five that right now I feel will be inducted. Suffice to say, of the five, I believe only Peter Gabriel is a certainty for induction this year. There are some other artists we inducted into our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall project that may gain induction for 2012. Here are some of them.

The Eurythmics: the most eclectic and influential new wave artists of the 1980s. Should have been inducted already.

Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens): one of the better singer-songwriters and activists of his time. I hope Yusuf gets inducted one day.

Chic: A most brilliant dance/R&B/disco/Hard Rock hybrid that does not get the recognition they deserve. Should have been inducted years ago.

Yes: the greatest art rock band to emerge from Great Britain. There have been many other art rock acts with innovative ideals. But there is only one Yes.

Kraftwerk: the most influential electronic music act of their time. Were Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider and Karl Bartos to make amends with each other, an induction would be a near certainty.

Soundgarden: The first of the great grunge alternative bands to gain recognition. If not this year, then within the next few years an induction will take place.

Whitney Houston: if Janet Jackson gets inducted, Whitney Houston will have to be inducted as well. A much better popular music singer and Adult Contemporary great than many of Houston's rivals.

Judas Priest: the forefathers of British heavy metal. These guys need toi be inducted.

Iron Maiden: might probably get inducted before Judas Priest. Yet, never the less, an innovative band that has some of the most thoughtful lyrical content to appear in their genre.

XTC: Would have already been inducted if they had not stopped touring in 1982. For myself, XTC were and still are right up there with the leading artists we consider amongst the legendary greats.

And one more to name before this post gets too long:

Electric Light Orchestra: quite possibly the most maligned act that is also innovative and brilliant. Go look back at the discussions we had for inducting ELO into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. Perhaps even look at the ELO works we inducted in both the Album and Song Projects. I can only hope that the Nominating Committee realizes what Electric Light Orchestra hasmade in innovations and brilliant songwriting. For myself, I would like to see Jeff Lynne receive an honor long deserving for what Lynne, Richard Tandy, Bev Bevan, Roy Wood, Kelly Grouctt, Mik Kaminski, Wilf Gibson and others have done to really keep alive the optimism that was not as observed in their era.

Well, there you have it. I expect fellow posters might be asking me questions as to why I pick Peter Gabriel as the virtual lock for induction next year; not to mention my advocacy for the artists mentioned herein. Feel free to comment on my post. I will attempt to answer them as best as I can.

Hoping the Nominating Commitee is reading these posts and thinking very carefully,

Lax28

Posted by Lax28 on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 09:18am


FYI, it appears the Rock Hall is not including Soundgarden among their newly eligible artists. So don't expect them to make the ballot this year.

Sometimes they count compilations (such as Deep Six) as a first release, and sometimes they don't.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 09:40am


Everyone here is forgetting one act.
Public Enemy. As far as rap acts go they are gonna be at the front.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 09:45am


Agreed about Public Enemy. I think they'll definitely be nominated.

Since it's the 25th anniversary of "Control", I think it's time for Janet Jackson to be nominated as well.

Posted by Mike on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 09:51am


First, a Chicago politician named Barack Obama is elected the first black President of the United States of America in 2008. Then, in 2010, the National Hockey League's Chicago Blackhawks win their fourth Stanley Cup in franchise history, but their first Stanley Cup since 1961, the year of Barack Obama's birth. Then, what do you know, Chicago, the band, is finally inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 20??, during a Barack Obama presidency.

Also, "Chicago" has seven letters and had seven members, till a game of rumored Russian Roulette. Then there were six, just like six letters in "Barack", who is an "ally" of Russia. Keeping one's nuclear rivals close can be seen as a six-lettered gamble itself, and gambling was born of the Chicago mob scene. Seven Blackhawks on the ice would have been too many. You dig?

Posted by Roy on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 10:12am


Alice Cooper wants The Moody Blues, Deep Purple, Donovan, The Steve Miller Band, Joe Cocker, Laura Nyro, Burt Bacharach and Hal David inducted!

The whole world wants The Miracles inducted!!!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 10:17am


Screw the Miracles, i want Kraftwerk,Can Deep Purple and Joy Division.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 10:21am


Last time I checked, when an artist gets inducted into the Hall, they don't just move in an start calling the shots. Just because Cooper wants all these people inducted doesn't mean that they're going to be in next year.

PS. I support the Miracles induction wholeheartedly ***in the Sideman/sidemen category***

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 10:55am


"Everyone here is forgetting one act.
Public Enemy. As far as rap acts go they are gonna be at the front."

Not eligible. This is for the 2012 ceremony. They aren't eligible until the 2013 ceremony. Of course, they should be a lock the minute they're eligible. Greatest rap/hip-hop group of all time, IMO.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 11:07am


Oh, i thought this was for people who released their stuff in 1987, nevermind.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 11:20am


Ny hunch is that the Nomination Committee will put in at least one act we still haven't covered (ala Dr. John/Darlene Love last year, and Percy sledge in 04/05) that no one's clamoring for, just to show how "smart" they are, and piss everyone off (again)...

Posted by JDS on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 11:22am


Except that Dr. John and Darlene love somewhat deserved it.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 11:24am


They may have "deserved" it (but not ahead of many others), but I cited them as two examples of acts we haven't even "inducted" as of 2027...

Posted by JDS on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 11:26am


"They may have 'deserved' it (but not ahead of many others)"

As is the case with any number of artists already in the Hall or any of this site's projects.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 11:31am


Inducting Percy Sledge was the worst thing the hall ever did.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 11:49am


I would like to the these five artist get in this year

2012

1. Peter Gabriel
2. Beastie Boys
3. Guns N Roses
4. Red Hot Chili Peppers
5. Kiss

All of these artist are worthy and have all been snubbed (minus GNR since it's their first year of Eligibility).

However, based on the Songs and Album projects here are the top 15 artist who have the most work inducted

1. Electric Light Orchestra
2. Janet Jackson
3. Red Hot Chili Peppers
4. Roxy Music
5. The Cure
6. Soundgarden
7. The Cars
8. Beastie Boys
9. Rush
10. Deep Purple
11. Kraftwerk
12. Guns N Roses
13. Peter Gabriel
14. Depeche Mode
15. Journey

Posted by kyle on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 12:40pm


Some of you are confusing "should" with "will". Janet Jackson, Rush, Whitney Houston and The Miracles haven't even been considered yet so why would they be now? Rush do deserve induction, but you're better picking Yes if you want more prog in.

Lax: Good pick with XTC. Solid group and I do think they have a strong case for induction. No chance, sadly, and they wouldn't even without the touring thing: Too quirky and too British. If The Smiths can't get in...

Soundgarden ARE eligible this year, as they contributed several tracks to the Deep Six Compilation. However, it doesn't bother me that they have no chance, as I don't think Deep Six was that good (I voted for it in the Album Project based on it's significance to what was going on in Seattle) and Cornell and friends did their best work when they moved away from grunge. Fear not, though, it won't take them long to be inducted, though that partially depends on the outcome of this new album.

"all inductees into the actual Hall of Fame will be taken from whom we have inducted into our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall"

WHY?! Why would they even pay attention to what anyone else thinks? Whether or not they should is another discussion...

Posted by Sam on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 14:58pm


Here is who I would induct if I could

Bjork (eligible since the early 2000's)
Guns N Roses
Kraftwerk
Can
Yes

Posted by GFW on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 15:15pm


Chalkie, how dare you put The Miracles in the Sidemen category!!!

Are you reading this Bill G.? Let's teach this Chalkie person a lesson in history!!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 15:27pm


Here is my two cents on The Miracles:

The Miracles should have been inducted in 1987 with Smokey Robinson, but they weren't in one of the biggest mistakes in the Hall's history.

That being said I don't think both Smokey Robinson and The Miracles both deserve to be inducted as two separate entities and I don't think the Hall would do that.

What I hope they do is induct them as Chalkie said in the Sideman category, in the new Musical Excellence category like Leon Russell or go back and correct their mistake and retroactively induct The Miracles with Smokey Robinson.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 15:55pm


Also I agree with Gass, Induct them any other way than as a performer. Smokey solo certainly dosen't deserve it.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 16:58pm


As was stated earlier, Janet Jackson's breakthrough album "Control" was released 25 years ago. Major commercial success and major critical acclaim so it would somewhat make sense that a nomination might occur this year for Janet. ?

Regarding Bjork - I'm a big fan. But, how is she already eligible? I think that's a few years premature.

Posted by Nomination Police on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 17:12pm


When she was 11 she mmade an album sometimes in the 70's.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 17:37pm


No one would die if The Miracles were nominated and inducted in the main performs category and Smokey Robinson was inducted a second time. So what! No laws are being broken!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 18:49pm


The Miracles started out as The Miracles. They were the Miracles for 8 years, and charted as The Miracles for 8 years, and then they became Smokey Robinson and the Miracles for 7 years, and then they became The Miracles again for 5 more years. The Miracles were Motown's first group. Claudette Rogers of The Miracles was called the First Lady of Motown. The Miracles have to be nominated and inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as The Miracles, (in the main performers category; not the sidemen category) and Smokey Robinson should be inducted with them as well. Inducting the group as The Miracles (not Smokey Robinson & The Miracles) would also allow for the induction of Smokey Robinson's replacement, Billy Griffin.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 18:54pm


No one would die if The Miracles were nominated and inducted in the main performs category and Smokey Robinson was inducted a second time. So what! No laws are being broken!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 18:49pm

Yeah, but it wastes a spot that could have been used for another act. I think the solutions I listed above would be the best for all sides.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 19:08pm


These are the bands I would like to see inducted in 2012:

1. Moody Blues
2. Rush
3. Heart
4. Donovan
5. Deep Purple
6. New York Dolls
7. Kraftwerk

Posted by Aztec1957 on Friday, 08.19.11 @ 20:11pm


Here My Nominees of 2012 Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame

Soundgarden
Judas Priest
Donovan
The Miracles
Laura Nyro
Joe Tex
Gram Parsons
J. Geils Band
Moody Blues
Chic
Beastie Boys
The Del-Vikings
LL Cool J
Donna Summer
Chuck Willis
The "5" Royales
Mc5
The Doobie Brothers

My 2012 Inductes picks

SoundGarden
Moody Blues
J. Gelis Band
Judas Priest
Chic
Beastie Boys
The Miracles
Donovan
The Doobie Brothers
The Del-Vikings

Early-Influnces
The "5" Royales
Chuck Willis

Posted by Dan Windler on Saturday, 08.20.11 @ 00:04am


Alice Cooper wants The Moody Blues, Deep Purple, Donovan, The Steve Miller Band, Joe Cocker, Laura Nyro, Burt Bacharach and Hal David inducted!

Metallica wants Deep Purple, Thin Lizzy, Rush, KISS, Ted Nugent, Alice Cooper (They got him), Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motorhead, UFO inducted!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 08.20.11 @ 09:00am


GFW:

According to this website Bjork isn't eligible until 2018 (2019 Ceremony)

Don't get me wrong, she will be inducted when her time truly comes, but you have to wait at least 7 more years.....plus artist like Guns N Roses, Soundgarden, Red Hot Chili Peppers, KISS, Beastie Boys, Peter Gabriel, Rush, Deep Purple, Janet Jackson, and future eligibles like Nirvana, Jane's Addiction, Pixies, Public Enemy, Mariah Carey, Green Day, Pearl Jam, 2 Pac, Radiohead, and Rage Against The Machine will all probably get in before Bjork does.

Posted by Kyle on Saturday, 08.20.11 @ 09:49am


Not only is it the 25th anniversary of Janet Jackson's Control, but it's also the 25th anniversary of License To Ill by The Beastie Boys and Slippery When Wet By Bon Jovi, and So by Peter Gabriel

Maybe this could be the 15 nominees

1. Janet Jackson
2. Peter Gabriel
3. Guns N Roses
4. Electric Light Orchestra
5. Roxy Music
6. The Cure
7. Bon Jovi
8. Kiss
9. Red Hot Chili Peppers
10. Beastie Boys
11. Chic
12. Donna Summers
13. LL Cool J
14. J Geils Band
15. Gram Parsons

and then the 5 inductees

1. Beastie Boys- Recently had a new album

2. Peter Gabriel- Genesis is in, so it's time for Peter Gabriel's Solo Efforts to get inducteed.

3. Guns N Roses- Let's get them in, and see if they pull a Sex Pistols, Van Halen, Blondie, and CCR

4. KISS- Let's give the KISS Army what they really want since Alice Cooper is in now

5. Red Hot Chili Peppers- New Album coming out like Beastie Boys and others who were inducted with new albums the same year like Metallica, Madonna, John Mellencamp, U2, Prince, Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, Aerosmith, Michael Jackson, and Eric Clapton (Just to name the ones from the 2000's).

Posted by Kyle on Saturday, 08.20.11 @ 10:01am


"Chalkie, how dare you put The Miracles in the Sidemen category!!!

Are you reading this Bill G.? Let's teach this Chalkie person a lesson in history!!"

All he has to do is go to The Miracles site on FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS , and click on the "Wikipedia" link...and read the article.
The Miracles' accomplishments DWARF those of up to 80% of inducted artists . If they go in , they'll probably give Smokey a second induction (which he deserves anyway, despite what some of you may think.) He was the first artist in history to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, The Songwriters Hall Of Fame, and receive The Grammy Living Legend Award.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZUoV_iw0II

"Screw the Miracles, i want Kraftwerk,Can, Deep Purple and Joy Division."

Posted by GFW


Great artists , all ,GFW . And all deserving. But, so are the Miracles...and time is NOT on their side, so ,to me, it's HIGH TIME that they got in ...and as MAIN PERFORMERS....JUST LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER TRUE LEGENDS DID. NO "SIDEMEN" AWARDS OR BOOBY PRIZES. The Hall of Fame actually owes them a public apology for what they did in 1987...though I doubt they'll ever get it. THE MIRACLES are one of Rolling Stone's Top 50 IMMORTALS....They should have been inducted YEARS AGO !!

And, their "Influence Factor" also DWARFS that of many inducted artists. How many of your picks have had THIS MANY ARTISTS COVER THEIR TUNES ?

From WIKIPEDIA:

Cover versions

The Miracles, Motown's first group,are far and away,the most covered Motown group of all time.[32] Their music and songs have influenced artists all over the world – in every major musical genre – over the last 50 years.[33] Almost all of their hits were self-written, making them unique among Motown acts. Many of the Miracles' songs have been major hits or important recordings for other artists. Among these are:
"Going to a Go-Go" – The Rolling Stones, The Hags, and Secret Affair.
"I Second That Emotion" – Japan, Michael McDonald, Kiki Dee, The Manhattan Transfer, Jerry Garcia, Diana Ross & the Supremes with the Temptations, 10db, Tammy Wynette, José Feliciano,Emilie, Stuck In The Middle , Thelma Jones.
"(Come 'Round Here) I'm The One You Need " – The Jackson 5, The Cowsills, The GP's
"If You Can Want" – The Dirtbombs, Barbara McNair, Chazz Dixon.
"Nowhere To Go- Kanye West (as the basis of his song "About An Angel"), Beanie Sigel (as "Got Nowhere"), Freeway
"Much Better Off" – J Dilla.
"You've Got The Love I Need" -J Dilla, Raekwon.
"A Legend In Its Own Time" – J Dilla (as an exercept of his song "One Eleven").
"Oh Be My Love"- Barbara Lewis, The Supremes, Barbara McNair.
"I Don't Blame You At All"- Rosetta Hightower.
"Mighty Good Lovin"-Edwin Starr, Chris Clark.
"You're So Fine and Sweet"- The Undertakers.
"I Like It Like That" (Miracles song)- Bobby Vee, Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels.
"Would I Love You"-Len Barry.
"Happy Landing"- The Temptations.
"Special Occasion- Jim Gilstrap.
"I'll Try Something New" – Diana Ross & The Supremes with The Temptations, Barbara McNair, A Taste of Honey, Spyder Turner (as an excerpt from his cover of "Stand By Me")
"My Girl Has Gone" – Etienne Daho, Bobby Taylor, Edwyn Collins, Ken Parker.
"Yester Love" – Gerald Wilson & His Orchestra.
"The Love I Saw In You Was Just a Mirage" – The Jackson 5, Vance Gilbert, The Uniques[disambiguation needed]
"Love Machine" – Wham!, Thelma Houston
"Determination" – The Contours.
Choosey Beggar – Chazz Dixon, Debby Boone.
"I've Been Good To You" – Marshall Crenshaw, Brenda Holloway, Joe Meek, The Temptones, Ray, Goodman & Brown (The Moments), The Ones, The Temptations.
"Mickey's Monkey" – Mother's Finest, Martha and the Vandellas, The Supremes, The Hollies, The Young Rascals, John Mellencamp, Lou Christie, Cannibal & the Headhunters, The C.A.Quintet, The Defenders, Chris Catena, The Sugar Beats , The Mac Truque.
"More Love" – Kim Carnes, Paul Young, Barbara McNair, Mica Paris, The 5th Dimension, Rick Webb.
"Ooo Baby Baby" – Linda Ronstadt, Brenda Holloway, Shalamar, Ruby Turner, Sylvester, Spirit Traveler, Five Stairsteps, Zapp, Laura Nyro, Ella Fitzgerald, Honey Cone, Human Nature, Fingazz
"Shop Around" – Captain & Tennille, Don Bryant, The Astronauts, The Allusions, and Georgie Fame, Neil Merryweather and Lynn Carey , among numerous others.
"The Tears of a Clown" – La Toya Jackson, The Beat, The Rocking Chairs, The Re-Bops, Nnenna Freelon, The Flying Pickets, Caligula, Human Nature, Enuff Z'Nuff, Eumir Deodato, Brian Ray, Marc Cohn, Phil Collins .
"The Tracks of My Tears " – Linda Ronstadt, Aretha Franklin, Johnny Rivers, Gladys Knight & the Pips, Mongo Santamaría, Martha and the Vandellas, Bryan Ferry, Björns Vänner (as Ser Jag Ut Att Må Bra?), Dolly Parton, Boyz II Men, Human Nature, among many others
"Darling Dear" – The Jackson Five.
"Who's Loving You" – The Jackson 5, En Vogue, Terence Trent D'Arby, Brenda Holloway, The Supremes, The Temptations, Honey Cone, Stevie B., Archie Bell & the Drells, Nikka Costa.
" You've Really Got a Hold on Me" – Percy Sledge, Barbara McNair, The Beatles, The Temptations, The Supremes, The Zombies, Aidan Smith, Sonny & Cher, Mickey Gilley, Eddie Money, Cyndi Lauper, The Bobs, Greg Brown, Small Faces, Bobby McFerrin, Derrick Harriott, and She & Him among many others.
"I Gotta Dance to Keep From Crying" – The Who, Jimmy James.
"From Head to Toe" – Elvis Costello, Chris Clark
"A Fork in the Road " – Rebbie Jackson
"Way Over There" – The Royal Counts, The Temptations, Edwin Starr, The Marvelettes, New Man, Eddie Adams Jr.
"(You Can't Let the Boy Overpower) The Man In You" – Chuck Jackson
"What's So Good About Goodbye" – Giant Sunflower, The Temptations , Quix*O*Tic
"More, More, More of Your Love" – Bob Brady & the Con Chords
"Doggone Right" – Bobby Davis.
"After All" – The Supremes, The Marvelettes.
"Swept For You Baby" – The Sylvers, The Blenders, The Tamlins (as Sweat For You Baby).
"The Hurt is Over" – The DT's
"Whatever Makes You Happy"- Jacki Gore, Steve Washington.
"Save Me" – The Undertones
"(You Can) Depend On Me" – The Temptations, The Supremes, Mary Wells, Brenda Holloway , Barbara Mason.
"Baby Baby Don't Cry" – Gerald Wilson and His Orchestra, Projekt.
"Can You Love a Poor Boy" – Bobby Vee, Softones, Gil Bernal, Ronnie Walker.
"Bad Girl" – Dazz Band.
"That's What Love Is Made Of" – Michael Jackson, Bobby Vee, Choker Campbell, The Magicians.
"We've Come Too Far To End It Now"-The Escorts[disambiguation needed]
"Here I Go Again" – Chazz Dixon, Carey Bell, A.J. De Bravo, Little Willie G., Oran "Juice" Jones.
"Point It Out"' – The Supremes and The Temptations.
"Got A Job" – The Marcels
"Whole Lotta Shakin' In My Heart (Since I Met You)" – The Hellacopters, Marv Johnson.
"Give Me Just Another Day" – Young Jeezy (as the basis for his song, "Mr 17.5")
"Do It Baby"- Jimmy Ponder, Red Holt (of Young-Holt Unlimited).
"Who's Gonna Take The Blame" – Capone N. Noreaga (as the basis of their song "Live On Live Long").

References: Allmusic, The Covers Project,Second Hand Songs, "Who Sampled" website.

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08.20.11 @ 11:53am


....But, alas,the RRHOF has their favorites. If the Miracles are inducted, I'll be pleasantly surprised. WHO KNOWS what The Nominating Committee will come up with . The Miracles HAVE BEEN IGNORED FOR 25 YEARS.

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08.20.11 @ 12:03pm


Guns N Roses
Kraftwerk
Beastie Boys
Donna Summers
Depeche Mode

Posted by C-Man on Saturday, 08.20.11 @ 13:52pm


I have a whole list of bands I'd like in but how come Captain Beefheart hasn't been mentioned? Trout Mask Replica got "inducted" into the Recording Registry but I don't know. He might get the sympathy vote. He should be in.

As for Metallica's list: Kiss, Deep Purple, Judas Priest. Thin Lizzy and T. Rex..... I wish.

Posted by Aaron on Saturday, 08.20.11 @ 14:11pm


"I have a whole list of bands I'd like in but how come Captain Beefheart hasn't been mentioned? Trout Mask Replica got 'inducted' into the Recording Registry but I don't know. He might get the sympathy vote. He should be in."

I wasn't picking who I'd like in, I picked who I thought would be nominated (though the two are mutually exclusive to some degree). He has a chance but two reasons why not: 1. The Hall hasn't really embraced non-commercial music 2. The sympathy vote doesn't really work. Michael Jackson's death didn't get his sister inducted. Tony Wilson is overdue for a Non-Performer induction and still doesn't have it despite being dead for 4 years. I can think of several other cases if needed.


Posted by Sam on Saturday, 08.20.11 @ 15:24pm


Ouch. Are you seriously saying that Janet Jackson should only be (or should have only been) considered because her brother died? You can take that elsewhere.

Janet Jackson is an icon. She deserves consideration. Period.

Posted by Marissa on Saturday, 08.20.11 @ 15:31pm


I do think there's a case to be made for her induction regardless of Michael's mortality status. I was pointing out that she was not considered for two years before he died, and has not been since then, since at the time people thought she'd get a nomination based on the sympathy vote; obviously that didn't happen. I was just using her as an example in a comment about Captain Beefheart, pointing out that his death would not necessarily lead to a nomination.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 08.20.11 @ 16:12pm


Kyle: I know, but that's just what would happen if I had control which I never will.

I believe the only lock amongst the upcoming class is Guns N Roses. Next would be SOundgarden.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 08.20.11 @ 16:14pm


To me, the Miracles getting inducted would not be "wasting a spot for someone more deserving" The Miracles ARE deserving...just as much, if not more than many others. It would be just GIVING THEM THEIR DUE...and after giving them the shaft for 25 years , I think that The Nomination/Induction Committee owes them that.
***** NO "SIDEMEN" AWARD.PERIOD.*****

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08.20.11 @ 22:30pm


Acts that I believe will be nominated this year:

Donovan
Donna Summer
Guns N' Roses
Laura Nyro
Yes
Beastie Boys
The Miracles
Captain Beefheart
Randy Newman
Kiss
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Janet Jackson
Joe Cocker

Inducted:

Kiss
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Guns N' Roses
Joe Cocker
Laura Nyro

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 08.21.11 @ 02:59am


Okay, I'll give it a shot. These should eventually get in, and some in 2012, though I doubt that this will even be close to the actual 2012 nomination list.

Pat Benatar: One of the best (female) voices in rock; influenced (by their own admission) Joan Jett, Lita Ford, and others.

Cheap Trick: Credited with (helping to) usher in the punk movement. I don't know whether it's true, but...

Deep Purple: How many budding, to-be-great guitarists learned their first riff as the unmistakable, twelve-note intro/harmony of "Smoke on the Water"? Reason enough to induct them.

The Doobie Brothers: Iconic songs ("China Grove", "Black Water" and "Listen To the Music", among others, have become mainstays of classic rock; how many others have combined rock, country, soul and gospel? (Other than Elvis Presley, of course!)

Guns n' Roses: Let's not bother with specifics. Everyone who cares knows they're getting in.

Daryl Hall and John Oates (or Hall and Oates): Not the inventor of blue-eyed soul, but certainly the most successful.

Journey: Regardless of their influence, domination of an era (arguably the best of the 1980s "corporate rock" era) or Steve Perry's talent (indisputable), their popularity will sooner or later get them in, even more so with their inclusion on "The Sopranos," "Glee" and "Rock of Ages".

The Miracles: Why they weren't inducted with Smokey Robinson is beyond me--and judging from the comments above, beyond a lot of us.

The Moody Blues: Were they the first to bring orchestral backgrounds into rock (I'm not including the "Wall of Sound" on Beatles records)? Or one of the first?

Rush: For all of the reasons listed above. Progressive rock's most technically skilled, arguably (I would put them, in this area, above Yes).

Donna Summer: This one should be obvious. How many others have defined an entire genre of rock as she defined disco?

Sidemen:

The E Street Band: It's a damned shame that Claremce Clemons didn't live to see his own name in the Hall along with Springsteen.

The Silver Bullet Band: Many have said that they would be nothing without Bob Seger. I disagree. Alto Reed and the various guitarists were among the best Detroit had to offer in the 1970s and 1980, after the Funk Brothers.

Non-Performer:

Annie Liebowitz (correct my spelling?)

Posted by Joe on Sunday, 08.21.11 @ 04:24am


Darn, forgot about...

Chicago: An act where half the instruments are horns? A ROCK AND ROLL act? Who else came up with that?

Kiss: Nominated previously, I thought that they deserved induction for their groundbreaking costuming--until Alice Cooper was nominated (and ultimately inducted). Now that Cooper is in, is there room for Kiss?

Petra: Pretty much invented religious rock, now a category populated by dozens of current acts. The fact that most of us have never heard them (or even heard OF them) is a problem, but many of us never heard of Dr. John, Tom Waits or Darlene Love, either, until their individual songs were pointed out.

Okay, I know I'm about to be flamed for my choices. Feel free.

Posted by Joe on Sunday, 08.21.11 @ 04:40am


I would say Joy Division but they've never even been considered, which is just plain embarassing.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 08.21.11 @ 08:10am


Not a chance, GFW... sadly. Same with... well, their contemporaries really.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.21.11 @ 17:23pm


The induction ceremonies are in Cleveland this year. I think to get a big fan buzz with an induction (like Metallica last time the ceremonies were in Cleveland) I look for either Rush or Kiss to get a nod this year.

I would also like to throw out a few other names that rarely get mentioned:

Don Cornelius - If dick Clark is in for non per former, so should Don Cornelius. And frankly, Casey Kasem for that matter.

Albert King - Blues great--and the committee can have a "forgotten" artist.

Daryl Hall & John Oates--Why aren't they ever on the ballot?

Judas Prient - see Hall & Oates

Posted by Kenny on Sunday, 08.21.11 @ 20:10pm


Joe, you will not be flamed by me regarding Chicago and Kiss. Both bands are well deserving of induction; and indeed have been inducted into our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall project.

Petra, however, is a different story. I am familiar with them. Indeed, I am genuinely impressed with their longevity. Yet, let us not kid ourselves: they are a religious rock act. While Dr. John, Tom Waits and Darlene Love have done albums and songs dealing with a rather universality of issues; the religious rock field (and indeed all of CCM) is focused solely on enticing listeners to follow a very narrow viewpoint of Protestantism. Even then, these acts may already be preaching to the choir, to coin a phrase. Plus, and this is just my opinion: religious rock and the Christian music scene is rather bland. Maybe because I am not that much of a religious man (I am a lasped Catholic), but it does not connect with me.

Here are 12 artists I believe will be nominated for the RRHOF Class of 2012. These artists have already been inducted into our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall.


Peter Gabriel
Guns N' Roses
Janet Jackson
Donna Summer
Yes
Joy Division (or New Order)
The Spinners
Kiss
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Chic
Kraftwerk
The Eurythmics

Of those 12, the 5 I believe will be inducted are:


Peter Gabriel
Guns N' Roses
Donna Summer
Chic
Kiss

As for non-performers: I believe Quincy Jones will be inducted, and in the Sidemen category; possibly The Wrecking Crew in its entirety. My predicitons, admittedly, can change over time. I am certain that the virtual lock for induction this year will be Peter Gabriel. Guns N' Roses also seem to be a lock. The rest, therefore, may fluctuate.

A bit suspect to believe that Norman Greenbaum "never sinned",

Lax28

Posted by Lax28 on Sunday, 08.21.11 @ 21:42pm


I'm going to be throwing out fifteen names.

Nominee Predictions:

1.)KISS
I'm not a fan at all but I think they're the closest thing to a lock of being nominated at this point despite missing out on a nod last year. The glass ceiling was definitely broken by Alice's induction last year and this just seems like the natural progression. I think they'll esily be inducted on their second try. The iconic band will finally make it to Cleveland for 2012.

2.)Guns N' Roses
Mandatory first ballot nominee. I'd love for them to get inducted on their first try, but the Hall has been stingy in giving first ballot inductions lately to those who otherwise would seem like logical locks like the Beasties and the Peppers. But what GnR have is that they feel like a premiere 80s band while the other two feel like premiere acts of the 90s. This perception of them being "older" may be enough for them to get through on their first try.

3.)Beastie Boys
New album (and a critically acclaimed one at that) definitely puts them in a good spot for nod number 3. It's been 3 years since Hip-hop's last inductee and the Beasties have to go in this year before the imminent Public Enemy/NWA inductions in the upcoming years. These factors plus the fact that there's a sense of being overdue might just be enough for them to finally get to Cleveland. Let's just hope LL doesn't show up this year to siphon some votes.

4.)Red Hot Chili Peppers
Like the Beasties, they have a new album due out this year (which will definitely keep their name on the radar), they've been snubbed of a deserving first year induction, they're seen as overdue and they're loved by critics and fans alike. I think it's only a matter of time before they find themselves in Cleveland. In the meantime I'm redicting nod number 2.

5.) Donna Summer
I think the NomCom will be gunning for a rap and/or disco inductee this year and Miss Summer is a perennial favorite. Easily the biggest name in disco, she has a stronger shot i think of getting in this year with the continued rise to prominence in the mainstream of electronica. And it should be irrelevant to bring up her race and gender to the equation but the truth is, for diversity's sake it may just be her ticket to Cleveland She's also respected even by non-disco fans and would be a very respectable inductee.

6.) Laura Nyro
I think there is a push to get her inducted. Endorsements from recent inductees Alice Cooper and David Geffen keep her name alive. She's also been nominated two years in a row, so third time may be the charm. She'll have her best chance if there aren't any more higher profile singer-songwriters nominated (like Neil Diamond and Tom Waits last year)

7.) Donovan
He just fits the bill of someone they'll keep pushing till inducted

8.) Dick Dale
The type of second-tier artist that the Hall loves to nominate years after they become eligible and waltzes in on their first try (see Bobby Womack, Jimmy Cliff, Dr. John for recent examples).

9.) Linda Ronstadt
Maybe the one who waltzes in on their first try after all these years is a woman? I can see her eliciting a lot of votes from voters especially since her stature was once so high in rock.

10.) The Eurhythmics
They've been considered before and I believe will be locks if they ever get to the main ballot. Annie Lennox is well-respected in the industry and they are actually one of the few New Wave bands that are universally respected. It just seem like a natural progression from the Pretenders' and Blondie's inductions.

11.) Chic
It's a good bet that they'll be returning.

12.) Joe Tex
Someone is clearly intent in pushing him, and after last year's return to the ballot he may show up again this year.

13.) The "Five" Royales
There has to be a returning nominee from the fifties (Chuck Willis last year, the Chantels the year before that). Or they could just get chucked into Early Influences.

14.) Cat Stevens
The Hall clearly loves nominating singer/songwriters. He's already been nominated before and is a recognisable and resected name. He could come back to the ballot.

15.) Captain Beefheart
Random/totally wild card selection. May choose to put him on the ballot after his passing this year. Has critical cache the Hall is open to some out there nominees.

Extra notes:

After being heavily featured in rock hall exhibits and happenings this year I fully expect Sister Rosetta Tharpe to be inducted as an EARLY INFLUENCE. In fact, I think it will be just plain incompetent for the Hall not to do so this year.

Chuck Willis' random comeback nomination after about 20 years last year makes me think he could be inducted here as well. Either way I am hoping for a return of the EI category.

Posted by rockstar23 on Monday, 08.22.11 @ 00:09am


With the Rock Hall's continually being criticised for ignoring female artists, I think they are going to try and fill that category again in the nominees this time.

It is probably that Laura Nyro and Donna Summer will both be on the list again. But a name that I haven't heard mentioned is Patti LaBelle, who has never been nominated before (which seems a massive oversight to me). With the women in rock exhibit, I wouldn't be surprised to see Patti LaBelle or the group LaBelle nominated for the first time.

That said, if they are looking for female artists I wish they'd go take a first look at Pat Benatar or Carly Simon or Linda Ronstadt or the GoGos. Rather than just individual pet projects of the nominating committee.

Posted by Mitch on Monday, 08.22.11 @ 16:57pm


The Runaways would be a more logical pick than Pat Benatar or The Go-Go's.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 08.22.11 @ 18:00pm


GUNS N ROSES . they are the greatest rock n roll band of all time.

Posted by mike on Monday, 08.22.11 @ 18:04pm


Thought folks would like to see this:
http://www.wix.com/reedmusic/The_Miracles

Posted by Jeanne Sorensen on Monday, 08.22.11 @ 19:27pm


If the Miracles get in, at least there'll be ONE female inductee...Claudette Rogers Robinson.

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.23.11 @ 15:41pm


10 that *should* get in...

Bad Brains
Beastie Boys
Big Star
Can
Captain Beefheart
Joy Division
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
Roxy Music
Sonic Youth

Lee 'Scratch' Perry as Non-performer although he could just as very well get inducted as a performer and I wouldn't complain.

As for the Miracles, they should just amend the original Smokey Robinson induction and tag on the Miracles and honour them in the ceremony. As someone earlier said Smokey doesn't deserve the Hall sans-Miracles and the Miracles don't deserve the Hall sans-smokey. It would be a first, but amending the original induction is the only sensible solution I see to a mess that shouldn't ever have taken place to begin with (and could easily have been avoided)

In fact, it's so glaring that there shouldn't even be a vote regarding it. Whomever's in charge should just wield some executive power or something.

Posted by Chalkie on Tuesday, 08.23.11 @ 16:26pm


First off, I think it's pretty ridiculous that the hall nominates two rap acts or two disco acts in the same year. It pretty much guarantees that none of them get inducted, so I'm going into this hoping they've learned their lesson. I doubt it.



15 Nominees:

Beastie Boys
Big Star
Cat Stevens
Chic
Donna Summer
Gram Parsons
Guns 'n Roses
J. Geils Band
Joe Tex
Laura Nyro
Mary Wells
MC5
Randy Newman
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Roxy Music

- I dunno. I just figure that the nominating committee members will mostly go after the same blood as last time.


Performer Inductees:

Beastie Boys
Guns 'n Roses
MC5
Randy Newman
Roxy Music

Musical Excellence: The Miracles

Early Influence: Sister Rosetta Tharpe

- I think Brian Eno and Todd Rundgren's days in the sun are coming soon as they fit the Musical Excellence category pretty well. Wouldn't surprise me if it happened this year.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 04:03am


The Carpenters for Musical Excellence 'coz they don't fit in the Performers Category.

Posted by lina on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 04:30am


Re: Petra... I really don't think it's Lax's critique of Petra that will keep them out. They just about invented the whole genre really, and it's a huge part of the industry. I support them, but honestly, the NomCom will never considered them art enough to ever give them serious consideration.

Re: Miracles... Gassman said, "Yeah, but it wastes a spot that could have been used for another act. I think the solutions I listed above would be the best for all sides."

It's only wasted if you don't think they're really all that worthy, or are just way too far down in your queue. The Miracles are not my top pick, but I genuinely would not call them a "wasted" spot on the ballot were they to get nominated.

I'll be posting my picks later.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 07:03am


How do The Carpenters not fit the performers category?

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 08:01am


Over 50 chart hits... over 19 consecutive years...FOUR SONGS in THE GRAMMY HALL OF FAME...3 SONGS in Rolling Stone's list of the 500 GREATEST SONGS OF ALL TIME... One song entered into the UNITED STATES LIBRARY OF CONGRESS...Multiple BMI Songwriter's Award Winners...3 songs in The ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME'S LIST OF THE 500 SONGS THAT SHAPED ROCK AND ROLL...ALMOST 60 of their songs covered by SCORES of other artists...1 album in Rolling Stone's list of the 500 GREATEST ALBUMS OF ALL TIME...Inductees into the Doo-Wop Hall of Fame, The Vocal Group Hall of Fame The Michigan Rock and Roll Legends Hall Of Fame...and nominated for The Hit Parade Hall Of Fame...winners of "The Award Of Merit" from The American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers (ASCAP)...and winners of The Rhythm & Blues Foundation's Pioneer Award ...1 song chosen as one of The Top 10 Greatest Songs of All Time by a panel of 20 top industry songwriters and producers...including PAUL McCARTNEY,HAL DAVID,BRIAN WILSON, and JERRY LIEBER...Referred to by no less an authority than QUINCY JONES as " The Beethovens of The 20th Century... On Rolling Stones', Billboard's, and VH-1's lists of the 100 GREATEST ARTISTS OF ALL TIME...honored with a star on The HOLLYWOOD WALK OF FAME...and SOME OF YOU WANT TO PUT THEM IN AS SIDEMEN ??? To make room for SOMEONE MORE DESERVING ??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME ???

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 11:34am


"Bad Brains
Beastie Boys
Big Star
Can
Captain Beefheart
Joy Division
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
Roxy Music
Sonic Youth" - Chalkie

Excellent list, and you could make a great class out of any of those. However, there's a difference betwwen "should" and "will", and most of those are unlikely... sadly, Joy Division and Sonic Youth are among the unlikely's. 5 inductees a year is bloody ridiculous, so if they want more credibility they'll need to increase that number. If they do 5 again this year then the backlog will only grow bigger, considering the names coming up next year.

With The Miracles, they should either do what Chalkie suggested or the Musical Excellence. I don't know who they'll pick for the Non-Performers, as that's a crapshoot.

Guns 'n Roses will give them some new blood by being the first first-ballot inductee since Run DMC. I'd like to get Soundgarden in as well (all around better) but that'll take a few tries. Eric B. & Rakim are also newly eligible, and they raise an interesting question. Their induction is unlikely but it still has to be asked: Do they belong? Even if they'd broken up after Paid In Full they'd still be an easy choice for a Rap Hall Of Fame, and they do merit some consideration, but I think most of us agree that rappers who are going to get in should have made some direct contribution to rock, and I think that may be where these guys fall short... I just can't see it, same with LL Cool J. Grandmaster Flash and Run DMC were obvious choices. Same goes for the Beastie Boys, and Public Enemy when they're eligible (N.W.A. are borderline for me for similar reasons, as are Boogie Down Productions). Would it be appropriate to put this great duo in the Musical Excellence category? We could use that award on people who have little to no connection to any kind of rock but still have done something worthy of recognizing (same could apply to Eminem and his contemporaries down the line). Just me brainstorming here, it's fine if no one agrees.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 15:57pm


"However, there's a difference betwwen 'should' and 'will'"

And that's precisely why I worded it that way.

As for the whole rap argument, it's bullshit. It's been determined by the Hall that they are willing to induct rap artists. Whether or not the artist makes a contribution to "rock" or not should be and is irrelevant. It's more or less a "Popular Music Hall of Fame", and this has become patently obvious. Eric B. & Rakim deserve it, no questions asked.

As for the "Musical Excellence" award? More bullshit, and the people at the Hall should be taken to task for its creation (amongst other things).

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 16:11pm


Fair enough. Yeah if you ignore the contributions to rock then yeah they deserve it. Next question: We know Public Enemy and N.W.A. are eligible next year. Both deserve it and both will get in eventually. However, Boogie Down Productions will also be eligible. Do you think they deserve it? They were fairly important to gangsta rap so they're borderline for me. No chance of induction, but no exploration into rap is complete if you haven't listened to Criminal Minded.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 16:58pm


BDP deserve it, perhaps even more-so than N.W.A.. 'Criminal Minded' is great, and perhaps their most influential work but I actually prefer 'By All Means Necessary" which, while maybe isn't as influential as 'Criminal Minded', is, for my money, the better all around album.

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 17:34pm


Rap artists I'd put in the Hall (besides those already in)...

Afrika Bambaataa
Eric B. & Rakim
Beastie Boys
Dr. Dre (although he may be a case similar to 'Scratch' Perry)
Boogie Down Productions
Eminem
EPMD
Ice Cube
Jay-Z
LL Cool J
Missy Elliott
Nas
The Notorious B.I.G.
Public Enemy
Snoop Dogg
A Tribe Called Quest
2Pac
Kanye West (if he continues on his path)
The Wu-Tang Clan

...of course, I'm probably forgetting someone.

Three other acts that are hugely influential, and would make any "Rap Hall of Fame" are Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap & DJ Polo and Kool Moe Dee, although they probably didn't have enough crossover success to get themselves in to the Rock Hall. You might put the Geto Boys in that category as well.

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 17:45pm


Oh yeah, I forgot N.W.A in that above list.

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 17:45pm


...crap, and De La Soul...

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 17:46pm


Okay, here's a revised list...

Afrika Bambaataa
Eric B. & Rakim
Beastie Boys
De La Soul
Boogie Down Productions
Eminem
EPMD
Ice Cube
Ice-T
Gang Starr
Jay-Z
LL Cool J
Missy Elliott
Nas
The Notorious B.I.G.
N.W.A.
Public Enemy
Snoop Dogg
A Tribe Called Quest
2Pac
The Wu-Tang Clan

As I said before, Dr. Dre may be a case similar to 'Scratch' Perry, and I'll leave off Kanye West because of his relative youth (although he's already a virtual lock). That's 21 artists there and all of them, except perhaps Gang Starr and Afrika Bambaataa, have had significant enough crossover success to merit discussion. There's early guys like Kurtis Blow and the Sugar Hill Gang plus the four I mentioned earlier (BDK/KGR & Polo/Kool Moe Dee/Geto Boys) and that's not even mentioning the two major female acts besides Missy Elliott (Salt-N-Pepa and Queen Latifah).

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 17:53pm


Queen Latifah and MC Lyte are light-years ahead of Salt-n-Pepa, in my opinion. S-n-P had the cheese/commercial factor, sure. But Queen Latifah and MC Lyte were much more influential in the female rap game.

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 18:38pm


Yeah, fair enough. MC Lyte has the cred amongst the hardcore-set, whereas SNP has the commercial punch. Two more acts I also forgot are Lauryn Hill and the Roots.

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 19:11pm


Lauryn Hill is amazing, but that one album and the Fugees stint just isn't enough for me. We need more....

The Roots? Absolutely!

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 20:01pm


Actually, I'd say that one album and the Fugees stint IS enough... BUT the solo album by itself isn't enough to get her in (nor should it be) and theoretically, her solo career (sans-Fugees) is what she should be judged on... so forget I mentioned her.

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 20:08pm


"Actually, I'd say that one album and the Fugees stint IS enough"

..well, MIGHT BE enough anyways...

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 20:27pm


"That's 21 artists there and all of them, except perhaps Gang Starr and Afrika Bambaataa, have had significant enough crossover success to merit discussion."

Guess that depends whether 3 Gold albums (BDP), 2 Gold and 1 Platinum (Eric B. & Rakim) and your peak in the albums chart being #32 and #22 respectively really qualifies as crossover. Any singles success was limited to the R&B charts (though the latter did have 3 Top 40 singles and 2 Top 20's in the UK). To me it doesn't; I wouldn't say the Pixies did the Alternative Crossover with similar numbers.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 08.25.11 @ 07:57am


Who I Want This Year
Guns N Roses
Rush
Beastie Boys
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Kiss
Motley Crue
Black Flag

Posted by DoubleE49 on Friday, 08.26.11 @ 18:18pm


Future Rock Legends has obtained information from their source at the Rock Hall about the latest artists who have been considered for nomination, but didn't make the final nominees list. In other words, they were nominated to be nominated, but didn't make the final nominees list this year, or maybe some of them did. The Miracles are not mentioned. So I don't know what this means. It could mean The Miracles made the final nominees list this year, which will be revealed in September, it could mean they were not considered at all, but it better not mean that they are being inducted in the sidemen category (Award for Musical Excellence).

Rush
Sonic Youth
Lucinda Williams
Sting
The Smiths
Sade
The Shangri-Las
The Neville Brothers
Bad Brains
Billy Preston
Joan Jett
Black Flag
Ivory Joe Hunter
Whitney Houston
Hall & Oates
Lesley Gore
Fishbone
Chubby Checker
Chuck Brown
Crazy Horse

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 08.27.11 @ 08:02am


It would be a real slap in the face if The Miracles were inducted in the "Sidemen" category (now called "Award for Musical Excellence"), after all of their contemporaries , including many of their Motown labelmates, got inducted in the "Main Performers" category. What an insult to Motown's first group. That would imply that they "weren't good enough" to be inducted as "Main Performers", and that that they were "sidemen" to Smokey, which is really not true, because, as Roy said , Smokey , too, was a member of The Miracles to BEGIN WITH .

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08.27.11 @ 11:38am


Well looks like I've fallen behind on the annual predictions as well! Ah well, I can try and post my predictions sometime over the next few days/weeks

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 08.27.11 @ 19:04pm


"Hall and Oates - Previously Considered? Yes"
"Rush - Previously Considered? Yes"
"Joan Jett - Previously Considered? Yes"
"Sonic Youth - Previously Considered? Yes"
"The Smiths - Previously Considered? Yes"

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! (Not a fan of the last two, but they deserve it)

But seriously, my picks, separated into:

Fairly Certain

1. KISS - With Alice Cooper out of the way, its either them or Deep Purple for the "hard rock" category. KISS slightly edges out Purple in the Committee's mindframe due to the constant pressure on the outside (although Purple deserve it more). Also if Guns N' Roses gets in this year there could be a group of nominators that feel that they should at least get in at the same time.

2. Guns N' Roses - Despite a serious lack of influence and innovation, they're the one hair metal band that's cool with just about everybody and could waltz in based mostly on the fact that everybody likes Appetite for Destruction. Should be a fun ceremony.

3. Beastie Boys - What once seemed to be a sure thing ain't so anymore. Are voters so attached to the 60s that they view these legends as just stupid 80s frat boys? Lets hope not, but they find themselves victims of an image they shed 20 years ago.

4. Bon Jovi - Hair Metal gets the Rap treatment from the past two years and will likely put two nominees on the ballot. Their best shot in awhile was probably last year, but if they have connections for a nomination they could sneak in. Entirely possible they split the vote with GNR and neither gets inducted.

5. Red Hot Chili Peppers - New album comes out, has a hit single, proves old bands continued relevance, also the start of acknoledging another decade (in this case the 90s). This situation happens alot.

6. Yes - Progressive Rock returns after a year's absence with these guys. Apparently the Hall takes Rush seriously now, but Yes is the safe choice here and the Hall loves those.

7. Chic - The Hall will try to induct them before the other half of the Rodgers/Edwards collaboration dies. Okay, that sounds kinda morbid, but theres sympathy vote potential here.

8. Donna Summer - The Hall loves her all of a sudden, but can she get in when Chic is on the ballot as well?

9. LL Cool J - An important figure in Rap, but no way in hell he gets in right now. This year could be the Beastie's year, and even if they get in he'd be staring down Public Enemy next year. 2009 was his best shot IMO.

Possibilities:

10. Daryl Hall & John Oates - A few years ago? Not possible. However, times have changed and a sudden embracing from younger kids has greeted their music. They have the right combination of success, relevance among today's youth, and starting out in an era thats looked upon somewhat fondly by the Hall (1970s R&B). Their 80s output could hurt them though. If the Hall looks at "She's Gone" and "Rich Girl" instead of "Family Man" it's entirely possible they net a nomination. Momentum is on their side here.

11. Def Leppard - Despite not having the connections that Bon Jovi has (nor being as successful as them in the long run), I consider Def Leppard to be a much safer choice should the hall dare tread the hair metal waters outside of GNR. Unlike Bon Jovi, they're not massively slagged by critics and now that we're 30 years removed from the 80s time (or VH1 =P) has looked upon them much more kindly. The alternative section will inevitably object to their nomination, but they have just enough critical respect and way too much commercial success to not be considered a contender.

12. Soundgarden (?) - For those wondering about the question mark, I fully support the indcution of Soundgarden. However, I'm not even sure if the Hall views them eligible yet. We're going off of their first appearance in the Deep Six compilation, but its entirely possible the Hall selectively forgets that just so they can induct Nirvana first. Mind you word came out last year that the Hall just considered Sting eligible even though he released a single in 1982. But it would be the first step in acknowledging the 90s should they get in.

13. The Smiths - Good to see they've been considered, but they might be "too British" to be inducted. This is, most likely, the problem Joy Division has and the problem that Blur is going to have down the road. Oasis? They'll be considered because the average voter knows Wonderwal.

14. Black Flag - Another pleasant surprise to see they've been considered, but the hall hasn't really made a concession to the Uderground scene yet so I'll believe it when I see it.

15. Steve Miller Band - Just to shut up the "classic rawkers" for a year.

16. Donovan - No particular reason, but hey, he's from the 60s!

17. J. Geils Band - In a perfect world, this would have either A)never happened or B) the fact that they've been smacked down three times would indicate they're not welcome, but we don't live in a perfect world do we?

18. The Cars - New album came out and was well received, Ric Ocasek is a well known figure in rock and they're a good bridge candidate for the New Wave category. Could be a similar situation to Genesis.

19. Gram Parsons - Eventually, it will happen. Too much influence.

20. New York Dolls - Since The Stooges got in, somebody has to replace them as the "important role in establishing punk" spot.

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 08.27.11 @ 20:07pm


rom the THIRD ESTATE SUNDAY REVIEW:

Evidence that SMOKEY DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR RRHOF INDUCTION AS A SOLO ARTIST when he was inducted in 1987:

Now might be a good time to note how the rules are regularly bent by the Hall for males.(or ANYONE it sees fit. MY words, not theirs-Willgee). Smokey Robinson was inducted into the Hall in 1987 as a performer. While Smokey is intensely talented and has made many real contributions that qualify him for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, there's no denying that he wasn't qualified to be inducted in 1987. The Miracles? Absolutely. Smokey? No. The rules dictate that a minimum of 25 years must have elapsed since your first recording was released for you to qualify. That would mean Smokey Robinson (and not the Miracles or Smokey Robinson and the Miracles) would have had to begin his solo career in 1962. As even the Hall notes, "In July 1972, Robinson parted ways with the Miracles, and both entities enjoyed continued success. " As a performer, Smokey Robinson (solo) was not eligible to be inducted until 1997".

SMOKEY did NOT RECORD a SINGLE SONG as a SOLO ARTIST until 1972.Counting ahead 25 years from that date, 1997 (or 1998)would have been THE EARLIEST he would have qualified as a solo artist, NOT 1987, the year he WAS inducted.* The MIRACLES as a GROUP, however, qualified in the VERY FIRST YEAR of RRHOF INDUCTIONS, as they had been around over 30 years by then. This was a deliberate attempt by "CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS" to REWRITE HISTORY,and LEAVE THE MIRACLES OUT as a deleted footnote.
But,it hasn't worked.

*Note:The ONLY way Smokey could , and should have been POSSIBLY inducted into the RRHOF prior to 1992 would have been in the NON-PERFORMER category, as a writer-producer. BUT , that's not how he was inducted. He was inducted as a PERFORMER , which , according to RRHOF rules , requires the 25 year MININUM rule. Thus , the RRHOF violated their OWN rule , and , in so doing, did a SERIOUS INJUSTICE to PETE MOORE, BOBBY ROGERS, MARV TARPLIN , the late RONNIE WHITE, and CLAUDETTE ROBINSON.

It will be interesting to see how the RRHOF reacts now that THE MIRACLES have recieved their STAR on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame. That honor is only reserved for artists that have reached the PINNACLE of show business success, something that would NEVER have been bestowed upon a group that is a "DELETED FOOTNOTE" .

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08.27.11 @ 20:45pm


Future Rock Legends has obtained information from their source at the Rock Hall about the latest artists who have been considered for nomination, but didn't make the final nominees list. In other words, they were nominated to be nominated, but didn't make the final nominees list last year.

Rush
Sonic Youth
Lucinda Williams
Sting
The Smiths
Sade
The Shangri-Las
The Neville Brothers
Bad Brains
Billy Preston
Joan Jett
Black Flag
Ivory Joe Hunter
Whitney Houston
Hall & Oates
Lesley Gore
Fishbone
Chubby Checker
Chuck Brown
Crazy Horse

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 08.27.11 @ 20:58pm


Bill, Smokey recorded solo for End records in 1958 before recording with the Miracles. It's a borderline obscene technicality, but he was inducted when eligible.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 08.27.11 @ 23:48pm


Can somebody explain to me why the following people are not in Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame:
Randy Newman, Linda Ronstadt, Warren Zevon, Beastie Boys, Steve Winwood, The Jam, Gram Parsons, Chic, Chicago and Def Leppard. Its snobbery if u ask me cos they are considered serious lol artists cos they sold more than certain people already in RnRHOF. Induct them plz

Posted by Andrew Mackie on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 03:43am


Well, Winwood IS a Hall of Famer (not solo though). He got inducted with Traffic.

I think the closest thing we have this year to a sure induction is Sister Rosetta Tharpe for the Early Influences category. She's been featured way too prominently this year for the Hall not to have an induction planned.

Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 04:57am


A couple of points:

-What Andrew Mackie's grasping at is actually reverse snobbery. The snobbery is not inducting people because they didn't sell records.

-I like your picks Jim, and my two cents:

1. Before now I was viewing The Smiths as a 25/75 certainty; now I view them as 50/50. On one hand they had little commercial success and probably are too British; on the other, Rolling Stone loves them as do many critics, and simply too influential to be ignored forever. Since you mentioned Blur: I'd love to see them in when their time comes, and they are the only Britpop group (outside of Oasis, who have a very good chance) who have any chance of induction, but their chances will depend on what happens with The Smiths. If The Cure or Depeche Mode got in first I think that would help The Smiths' chances, as both had more commercial success (both are acquired tastes though, and I reckon the window of opportunity for both is closing). No chance for Joy Division; if Control couldn't do it...

2. I'll also believe it when I see it with Black Flag; same with Sonic Youth.

3. Soundgarden will eventually get in, but I'm not sure whether it'll be this year or next or after Nirvana and Pearl Jam get in (I'd hate for them to do that). RHCP are in the clear, don't worry about them; they can't possibly screw that one up.

4. I think KISS and GNR are both safe bets; most likely the latter gets in. Just don't let them split the vote, that's all.

5. Def Leppard's a wild card; they have a good chance, and they're too big a name to never receive a nomination, but will they a) have to wait a couple years for one b) muddy the waters of #4 and cause confusion c) cause chaos in the ranks as they try to decide between them and Bon Jovi and put neither on the ballot or d) will they and BJ both be nominated and split the vote? Interesting one.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 06:16am


I really like your points Sam. Here are a few of my own:

1.) I totally agree about The Smiths. My faith in their eventual induction has heightened. I'm thinking that the Hall has to tread the water and induct The Cure first though. If they get the go ahead, chances are the same people who pushed them will push for The Smiths next.

2.) Like The Smiths, I am thrilled that Sonic Youth have been considered. But I'm afraid that they'll probably have to wait for Nirvana and Pearl Jam to be inducted first. I'm hoping that The Pixies eventually get in the discussion though that could further muddy SY's chances. Both acts are equally deserving though.

3.) I doubt Black Flag gets in though. The furthest they'll get is probably a nomination.

4.) I'm actually iffy on Soundgarden's induction. I Think the Hall will wait till Nirvana and Pearl Jam are inducted (certified locks) but I don't know how the Hall will respond to grunge (and most members will associate Soundgarden as grunge), so I don't think they're a sure thing.

5.) I think Kiss and GnR will both go in this year. If I was a betting man and predicted the acts to get inducted without seeing the nominees this early, I would put my money on:

i) Kiss
ii) Guns N' Roses
iii) The Beastie Boys
iv) Donna Summer
v) The Red Hot Chili Peppers

There's always an act that gets in on their first nomination years after they're eligible though (Bobby Womack, Jimmy Cliff, Dr. John etc.), so I would consider dropping RHCP for someone like Dick Dale or someone else with a solid case.

Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 08:50am


Also re The Miracles, I am not at all opposed to their induction (if they eventually do). They are one of three remaining Motown stalwarts that I believe truly deserve it yet have been denied the honor so far (Mary Wells and the Marvelettes being the other two). I do think their induction is unlikely at this point but if Smokey keeps on lobbying (a la Springsteen, Costello, Elton John) they could very well be inducted.

I don't like the idea of them being inducted in the Sideman/Musical Excellence xategory though. I think the best option, as has already been mentioned, is to retroactively induct them with Smokey and to acknowledge this with a formal "induction" at the ceremony.

Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 09:04am


"Bill, Smokey recorded solo for End records in 1958 before recording with the Miracles. It's a borderline obscene technicality, but he was inducted when eligible."

Posted by Philip

OK, Philip, Let's just say for point of argument that Smokey recorded a solo song. The question is not that he did. The real question is "Did THE MIRACLES exist during this time. The answer is YES.The Miracles have been around since 1955...and began recording in 1957...1 year BEFORE this so-called "solo" single.
Now...here are the facts about this supposed "solo" single.

This so-called "solo" single that everyone has been talking about really wasn't a "solo" single at all. The song was a non-charting novelty tune called "It", and it was recorded in 1958 and released in 1959, credited to "Ron and Bill". "Ron" was Miracles member RONNIE WHITE, and "Bill" was BILL "SMOKEY" ROBINSON. Since THE MIRACLES had ALREADY existed BEFORE and DURING the release of this "one-off" single, and TWO of the MIRACLES were on it, it could HARDLY be considered a SMOKEY SOLO RELEASE.The group's first charting single on the Billboard Hot 100, "BAD GIRL" was released the SAME YEAR, and the Miracles had released songs that had charted regionally and on the Billboard R&B Charts THE YEAR BEFORE. ("Got A Job","I Cry","Your Love (Is All I Need)").Thus, the whole idea of "IT" being a SOLO single was really incorrect, because RONNIE was on it too. It was a DUO . not a "SOLO", and The Miracles WERE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE DURING AND PRIOR TO IT'S RELEASE.

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 09:49am


The REAL question HERE is:

"Why would the RRHOF go through such a tremendous effort to bypass THE MIRACLES (A truly deserving and historically important group) completely to get SM0KEY inducted on such an obscure technicality is THAT ? "

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 09:58am


No idea, who knows why the hall does anything?

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 11:02am


"1.) I totally agree about The Smiths. My faith in their eventual induction has heightened. I'm thinking that the Hall has to tread the water and induct The Cure first though. If they get the go ahead, chances are the same people who pushed them will push for The Smiths next."

I'm actually not that big a fan. I enjoy some of their work (There Is A Light That Never Goes Out will be a classic long after we're all dead), and I even feel that some of the indie groups that followed in their wake were better (no need to name names). The Cure are overdue for induction and I do enjoy them so it would be nice to see them go in first, but The Smiths' legacy is big enough that they need not wait behind anybody. They may will get in even this year and I will applaud the Hall if they do. If and when it happens perhaps then Depeche Mode and The Cure will get in; perhaps then some other ignored British Indie groups (some pressing snubs some not) may get the consideration they truly deserve.

I half agree with you on Sonic Youth and Black Flag. BF may be too extreme and obscure for some people, but then Sonic Youth are an acquired taste too and have not garnered anything more than a cult following. I'll believe it when I see it with both so the more mainstream types may get in first which I wouldn't complain about, but I'll be thrilled if even one of them gets in; then they can start looking at Pixies, Husker Du, Dead Kennedys etc. Soundgarden have a new album out at the end of the year and were very big at one stage, so I'm higher on their chances than most, though it will probably take a few years.

Good stuff.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 12:47pm


I hope The Smiths get in and The cure. On the subject of british alternative I think that the only chance JD woul dhave is if they were inducted with New Order which i don't see happening. New Order at least has commercial sucess on their side.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 13:35pm


The majority of questionable acts will end up making the grade within the next three to five yrs., I believe.

KISS will eventually get in, but I've a feeling they may have to wait one more year. GNR have this locked up, and if the Chili Peppers get the momentum going, they may not want to induct a third harder edged rock act (sucks, but, you know, it's the Hall...)

Battling down in the trenches:

Bon Jovi - Insider info will get you noticed

Def Lep - Will get in once Guns kicks in the door; never should've had to even go through it in that manner

Soundgarden - RS recently published a whole book on the 90's; if that doesn't give you a clue as to whether they're getting in, then nothing will

Sonic Youth - See Soundgarden comment; also, the Nirvana connection will grease the wheels

the Beasties will get in, but they'll have to come at it from another direction. They want rappers in there to secure extra bucks at the turnstiles in Cleveland, so you know they'll make the cut. They might also recall they released some fairly good stuff over the yrs. (hopefully)

Britpop will get in when the 80's fades into the 90's, Hall wise. The Smiths are getting in, but they may have to go through the breach that Oasis/Blur create. Much like some metal/prog is now getting in due to the overwhelming force of time/new voters/acts calling out the Hall, Britpop will follow this lead in a little while. It'll be a tad easier, since the path is being marked by that metal/prog continuum, but make no mistake, they'll all get there.

What would be really cool:

GNR
Soundgarden
KISS
Chili Peppers
B. Jovi and/or Def Lep and/or Sonic Youth and/or Beasties

What we'll probably get:

GNR
Chili's

+ 3 others that make us scratch our heads and wonder...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 14:44pm


Is it going to be 12 nominees again?

I don't think the anniversary of anything has to do with when the committee considers an act more seriously. Some acts get right in, when the date of their first record was not their BIG initial impact.

Posted by JR on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 15:14pm


"Soundgarden - RS recently published a whole book on the 90's; if that doesn't give you a clue as to whether they're getting in, then nothing will"

It would depend on how much they and Sonic Youth were featured in the book.

Since Cheesecrop mentioned Britpop, I'll give an album ranking based on the Big 4 since I can't be bothered to do an analysis:

Debuts:

Leisure>It
Definitely Maybe>Leisure
Suede>Leisure
Definitely Maybe vs. Suede? I'll get back to you on that one; close call.

Second albums:

Modern Life Is Rubbish>Freaks (no contest)
Morning Glory>MLIR (close call, but I'm going with MG for nostalgic reasons, plus greater consistency)
Dog Man Star>Morning Glory

Third albums:

Separations=Be Here Now (Though the latter has it's faults it is enjoyable in parts; however, the former sees Pulp finding cohesion so I'm calling it a tie for now)
Coming Up>both
Close call between Coming Up and Parklife musically, but I'm giving it to the latter for being more significant

Fourth albums:

The battle for bottom of the barrel is between Standing Of The Shoulders Of The Giants and Head Music. Both have the occasional shining moment but both also catch their makers in a major decline; I'll get back to you on this one
The Great Escape>both
His 'n' Hers>TGE (Score one for Jarvis and friends; the score reads 2-2 between Oasis and Blur)

Fifth album:

A New Morning vs. Heathen Chemistry: Oh dear. I'll force myself to listen to both again to come to a decision.
Blur and Different Class>both (I can't determine a winner yet as they're so different, but I own both so eventually...)

(Suede split up and bow out; probably Oasis should've done the same)

Sixth album:

Don't Believe The Truth was an improvement, but still dwarfed by both 13 and This Is Hardcore; can't determine a winner yet

Seventh album:

This'll take awhile. So far the score card reads:

One win and one tie for first for Suede. One tie for Oasis. One win and two ties for Blur. One win and two ties for Pulp. Guess the answer will depend on the seventh albums; I'll get back to you on those.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 18:41pm


my predictions for the 2012 ballot are:

KISS
guns and roses
beastie boys
yes
mc5
red hot chili peppers
cat stevens
j geils band
donna summer
ll cool j
donovan
todd rundgren
hall and oates
the cure
and the cars

and the five who will go in
guns and roses
Kiss
beastie boys
mc5
and donovan

Posted by chris on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 21:04pm


The Cure will continue to get snubbed and probably won't even get a nomination.
Wenner's on record as disliking the band and RS has never had much of a kind word to say about a group that most other critics praise.

Posted by Bob on Monday, 08.29.11 @ 03:38am


Why was Joan Jett being considered without the Blackhearts?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 08.29.11 @ 05:48am


"Wenner's on record as disliking the band"

Sources?

"RS has never had much of a kind word to say about a group that most other critics praise."

Yes, I suppose that's why they had two albums (including the mighty Disintegration) in RS' 500 Greatest Albums... yep, that makes sense

Posted by Sam on Monday, 08.29.11 @ 06:09am


I guess they just forgot to put Blackhearts next to Joan Jett when they gave that updated list of previously considered artists to FRL.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 08.29.11 @ 07:21am


Bill, it doesn't really matter if the Miracles were already in existence at that time or not. The fact that "It" is not a bona fide Miracles record gives them the NomCom the wiggle room they need to do this within the bounds of their own rules.

To answer your "ultimate" question though, I suspect a lot of it has to do with timing: I believe it was around that time that Smokey retired/resigned from being VP at Motown, which I also believe was about the time that the base of operations shifted from Detroit to LA (again, not 100% certain on this, but I think this is close to accurate). The HoF probably wanted something pretty spectacular to cap things off for Smokey. So why not give him his very own induction? It's the most obscene case of Front Man Fever by the Hall, and as I said, the technicality under which this is legit is also pretty obscene, but it is within said confines, and worked out pretty sweet for Smokey overall.

Fear not though, as Smokey has been trying to get the Miracles inducted as well. It hasn't happened yet, but when the front man wants it to happen, it may just have a way of happening.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 08.29.11 @ 18:43pm


Roy, Joan Jett sans the Blackhearts is probably another instance of front man fever. We saw it with Afrika Bambaataa without the Soul Sonic Force, Mitch Ryder is previously considered, but not the Detroit Wheels, as is Stevie Ray Vaughan without Double Trouble. It could very well be intentional. Who knows?

Posted by Philip on Monday, 08.29.11 @ 18:45pm


I get the feeling that the "almost considered" list from last year is actually ordered by how close they were to being nominated. It makes sense if you look at it that way. That would mean Rush finished 16th overall in the selection proccess and Sonic Youth 17th. If either of their names are brought up again at the next nominating committee meeting, they should easily land on the ballot.

Of course, this list includes a lot of newbies (for the committee), so perhaps it leaves out names that had been considered in year's past, etc. Either way, there is strong hope for Rush fans.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 08.29.11 @ 22:05pm


I'm surprised no one has thrown their name out their yet (including me lol) but I could see Heart picking up a nomination this year.

With the Women Who Rock exhibit this year, I'm thinking the Hall might throw in a few more women in the ballot this year. Heart has been featured in a recent Rock Hall blog, seem to be respected by the Hall and have actual rock cred. They would probably get in on their first try as well. Anyone else think they could show up on the ballot?

Posted by rockstar23 on Tuesday, 08.30.11 @ 08:25am


I do rockstar23. And for the same reason.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 08.30.11 @ 12:52pm


Many choices for 2012 but these would be valid choices:

Glen Campbell-should be in but now especially because he is ill.

Guns 'n' roses- deserving of first ballot

Bon Jovi

Kiss

Laura Nyro

Chubby Checker

The Miracles

Posted by frank morello on Tuesday, 08.30.11 @ 13:56pm


Since Cheesecrop mentioned Britpop, I'll give an album ranking based on the Big 4 since I can't be bothered to do an analysis:

One win and one tie for first for Suede. One tie for Oasis. One win and two ties for Blur. One win and two ties for Pulp. Guess the answer will depend on the seventh albums; I'll get back to you on those.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.28.11 @ 18:41pm
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Fine analysis, but I'm not sure the Hall will see it in such a manner.

For them, at least, It will be Blur and Oasis - and that's it. Pulp will forever remain a band that had a big hit ("Common People"), and the one whose singer rushed the stage during a Michael Jackson performance. This is pretty much the Rock Hall's very American take on it.

In Suede's case, they're the band that the chick from Elastica played in before she started that group. At least this is the common view amongst the uninitiated here. I'm afraid they have the misfortune of being trapped between the Stone Roses and Blur. The Roses do have a solid chance, do to the constant citings by other acts, and obviously Blur needn't worry.

In America, I'm afraid it's going to read out (bizarre as it may seem): The Smiths + The Stone Roses + Blur + Oasis = Britpop. Radiohead will get in, and the voters might equate them w/Britpop, in some twisted manner. Coldplay will get the nod here faster than Suede/Pulp, though they'll be a stink about it in some quarters.

It's going to take the Roses (if they make it), Blur, and Oasis to push a'la Metallica, for the committee to notice the full scale of Britpop.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 08.31.11 @ 07:02am


"Pulp will forever remain a band that had a big hit ("Common People"), and the one whose singer rushed the stage during a Michael Jackson performance. This is pretty much the Rock Hall's very American take on it."

More likely just remembered for the MJ incident; Common People was too British to be a hit in the US. They have a strong case to be made, but you're right; no chance. The Smiths will get in, though it'll take awhile. The Stone Roses I don't think have a chance, though I think if they had started writing their second album after the record company battle and got it put out before Seattle hit they might've cracked the American market.

Oasis are a pretty sure thing, though I'm not sure Blur are. Their Britpop period ("Popscene", Modern Life Is Rubbish, Parklife and The Great Escape) is defiantly British, so if they get judged solely on that it'll depend on what happens with The Smiths. Their later work did build them up a nice little cult following in the States but is a bit of an acquired taste (I love most of it). Their chances are borderline; if Damon would take a break from his side projects long enough to put out a killer new comeback album that might help their chances, though I'm not sure whether they have it in them.

Suede's Billboard chart positions for their albums:

Suede #14 Heatseekers (105,000 copies sold to date), Dog Man Star #35 (36,000), Coming Up #17 (40,000), Head Music #25 (25,000); A New Morning wasn't released in the US. Singles positions: Metal Mickey #7 Modern Rock Tracks, Everything Will Flow #28 Hot Dance Music/Club Play*. There are many other reasons why they don't have a prayer, but those seem to answer the question well enough. Honestly, though, I think if Oasis, Blur, Pulp and Suede are in that's enough for Britpop (unless you consider Radiohead, The Smiths, Roses and Mondays to be part of it, but the connections just aren't there). You could make a case for Elastica but I don't think they're a necessity; they were also too short-lived and not well-remembered enough to be considered. Some people from the 90's and some critics sometimes bring them up but other than that... Father Time has looked kindly upon their debut, however. Perhaps we should start a Hall Of Fame for One-Album Wonders ;)

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 08.31.11 @ 12:59pm


Some people from the 90's and some critics sometimes bring them up but other than that... Father Time has looked kindly upon their debut, however. Perhaps we should start a Hall Of Fame for One-Album Wonders ;)

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 08.31.11 @ 12:59pm
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One album wonders, you say??!!!

Nothing TOO official, but...

I'll give you a few:

Iron Butterfly - In A Gadda Da Vida
Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bollocks...
Gin Blossoms - New Miserable Experience ???
The Strokes - Is This It? (kind of fits)
Jet - Get Born

That's five I can think of right off. For the heck of it, maybe we ought to do that. Nothing official, but a one shot thing. A general ranking of who we think are the greatest one shot records ever - maybe a top 50, 75, 100, ??? something like that. I don't know if you want to float that idea out there, but I know you've got me thinking :)

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 08.31.11 @ 18:52pm


Here's a one album wonder for you:

Appetite For Destruction - Guns & Roses

Everybody thinks GNR is a lock to be nominated this year. I think not. The Hall Of Fame doesn't really like hard rock that much and GNR really didn't do anything that wasn't already done almost 20 years before.

Posted by Arrow Man on Wednesday, 08.31.11 @ 20:51pm


Big Mama Thornton and Nina Simone for Early Influence.

Posted by akeem on Thursday, 09.1.11 @ 00:03am


Here's a one album wonder for you:

Appetite For Destruction - Guns & Roses

Posted by Arrow Man on Wednesday, 08.31.11 @ 20:51pm
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I guess you could make an argument that they were a one album wonder.

I know that once, when I left a post on the Guns site here, I made mention of the "Use Your Illusion" albums. I noted that if you took the best songs off both those albums and combined them, you'd have ended up w/another great single album in the vein of "Appetite".

These days you can do just that, so I guess I'm asking you here, would you consider them a one album wonder if you could remake the "Use Your Illusion" set into one album only?

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 09.1.11 @ 07:48am


"I guess I'm asking you here, would you consider them a one album wonder if you could remake the "Use Your Illusion" set into one album only?"

One and a half.

Posted by Arrow Man on Thursday, 09.1.11 @ 11:24am


"Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bollocks..."

Throw in The La's if we're including people who wrote one album

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 09.1.11 @ 13:46pm


You can say all you want about incorporating rap music and heavy metal from the 90s, but it's the true pioneers and trailblazers of rock and pop that should be inducted. Here's my list in no particular order:
The Moody Blues
Chubby Checker
Chicago
America
Three Dog Night
Herman’s Hermits
The Doobie Brothers
The Spinners
Hall and Oates
Harry Nilsson
The Miracles
Cat Stevens
Donovan
Mary Wells
ELO
Joe Cocker
BTO
Rush
Carole King
Heart
Pat Benatar
Procol Harum
Billy Preston
Lesley Gore
Foreigner
Bad Company
Peter Frampton
The Guess Who
Meatloaf
Gerry Rafferty
The Wings
Boston
Duran Duran
T Rex
Heart
Steve Miller Band
Journey
The Monkees
Kiss
Donna Summer
Deep Purple
War
The Marvelettes
JUST TO NAME A FEW!!.....

Posted by Nathan on Thursday, 09.1.11 @ 14:32pm


Gerry Raffetry? one hit wonder.
BTO is just a standard 70's hard rock band.
Hermans Hermits? just no. They were successufl but not influential or innovative.
Meat Loaf is nowhere near deserving, Bat Out Of Hell was one of the best records ever but apart fro that and it's sequel he released nothin else of note.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 09.1.11 @ 17:11pm


I counted 43 names there Nathan. Some of them are huge omissions, but I counted 17 who weren't pioneers. Perhaps someone's given you the wrong definition of the word.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 09.1.11 @ 17:14pm


September has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 09.1.11 @ 22:14pm


Forget about the rap crap:

Stevie Nicks (before all of the women you've all mentioned except maybe Laura Nyro, who wasn't a rocker).

Marc Bolan and T. Rex


The Smiths


The Miracles


Donovan

Posted by Frank on Saturday, 09.3.11 @ 00:58am


"Forget about the rap crap:"

Yawn.

"Stevie Nicks (before all of the women you've all mentioned except maybe Laura Nyro, who wasn't a rocker)."

Double yawn.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 09.3.11 @ 05:15am


A group like public enemy has more to do with rock than Donovan or Stevie nicks, give she watch channel zero a listen.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 09.3.11 @ 07:57am


Do people really think that if the committee has enough support to nominate an act, that Wenner just goes in and erases that act from the ballot if he has a beef with them? because if an act he does not like makes it through to the final nominees ballot, it's in the hands of the many voters. Do people think he reaches out to all voters and begs them not to vote for that act? :-)

Posted by JR on Saturday, 09.3.11 @ 10:45am


JR, in short: yes. Jann Wenner pretty much dictates what artists will be inducted based primarily on Wenner's preferences. Now, Jann Wenner cannot legally erase an artist from a ballot. However with enough arm twisting and benefit maneuvering, Wenner can help to determine who will be inducted from the 12 artists in the finalists list.

There are, of course, a few times when Jann Wenner cannot ignore the obvious when certain artists gain enough significance to merit an induction. For instance, any rock and roll great that is presented with the Polar Music Prize in the modern popular category has either been inducted, or is going to be inducted. Peter Gabriel, for example, received the Polar Music Prize in 2009. 1 year later, Genesis was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. This forthcoming Class of 2012 will have Peter Gabriel be inducted on his own accord: at least a year's wait had to occur from Genesis' induction and Peter Gabriel's induction. Bjork was given the Polar Music Prize in 2010; ergo, at the latest by the Class of 2019, Bjork will be inducted.

I can assure all that Jann Wenner does not have any admiration and/or veneration of either Peter Gabriel or Bjork. Certainly not the same veneration given to Wenner's select group of legendary rockers. However, the Polar Music Prize is in all fairness a music equivalent to the Nobel Prizes. While other artists like Keith Jarrett, Sonny Rollins and Miriam Makeba have received the Polar Music Prize as well; these artists have or had other fields of recorded music to show their work, namely jazz and world influences. None the less, due to their being recipeients of the Polar Music Prize, Peter Gabriel will be inducted in the Class of 2012; and Bjork by the Class of 2019. And there is not a gosh darned thing Jann Wenner can do about it.

So, while there are limits to his influence, Jann Wenner can and has indeed influenced whom gets consideration for induction. It is just that some artists for consideration are more obvious than others. Exhibit A in this field: Percy Sledge. Inducted for basically that one overplayed song. No offense to Rick Vendl II, but an induction for Percy Sledge has as much merit as an induction for Buckner and Garcia. One song does not make a Hall of Famer. Currently, we can see this Wenner preference process with him attempting to induct J. Geils. I need to say this; J. Geils and his band have not been influential. Frankly, they would be inducted for that one album 30 years ago. That would be like inducting Rick Astley in recognition for that one album he did with Stock-Aitken-Waterman. 1 platinum album sold very well doesa not make a Hall of Famer. And honestly, bar band rock is well overrated. We will just have to see whom gets nominated this month. One thing is certain, though: Peter Gabriel will be inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2012.

You have just been subtly RickRolled,

Lax28

Posted by Lax28 on Saturday, 09.3.11 @ 21:44pm


I agree that Gabriel might have a chance, but an award guarantees nothing.

There was talk at one point of moving the eligibility down to 20 years. This would, of course, have allowed the Hall to jump straight to Nirvana, GNR, Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Green Day... basically to get their favorites from the 80's and 90's in and then close shop. This would of course have made the Nom Com. some of the biggest wankers in the business; thankfully that proposal was vetoed, so it'll be interesting to see what they'll do now that they've been painted into a corner.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 09.4.11 @ 05:01am


Oh brother, here we go again... Lax on with all the "yet we know" talk. Polar Music Prize nothing. The main reason anyone should feel good about Pete's chances is that he's been Previously Considered before and the NomCom has been drawing heavily from that list of artists in recent years. We don't know, it is not a certainty. There's a chance PG will not be on the ballot.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09.4.11 @ 07:44am


@Lax: I hope J Geils Band never get inducted, they just werne't influential. it always annoys me when people come up with the defence "They always make solid good rock!" Yes, and so do many other bands.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 09.4.11 @ 07:49am


My predictions:

Patsy Cline
Cliff Richard & The Shadows
Captain Beefheart (& His Magic Band)
Gram Parsons
The Meters
Fela Kuti
Kraftwerk
Tina Turner
Donna Summer
Chic
Afrika Bambaataa
Sonic Youth
Beastie Boys
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Guns N' Roses

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 09.4.11 @ 16:58pm


Not one mention for Dire Straits in all the posts. SHOCKING. One of the most influential, original guitarists and songwriters in Mark Knopfler not in the Hall let alone being considered for induction. A Crime.

Ask Dylan and Clapton what they think of Dire Straits and Knopfler. Pure Genius.

Posted by bucky on Sunday, 09.4.11 @ 21:24pm


Very nice, i suggest webmaster can set up a forum, so that we can talk and communicate.

Posted by Laura on Monday, 09.5.11 @ 03:02am


Lax,
I would respect you much more if you spoke in predictions and not certainties. I think Sting has just as much of a chance of being on the ballot as Peter Gabriel.

Posted by George Michael Jackson on Tuesday, 09.6.11 @ 01:22am


revised predictions (all of hich have been previously considered):

1. Kiss
2. Guns N Roses
3. Beastie Boys
4. RHCP
5. Donna Summer
6. Chic
7. Laura Nyro
8. The "Five" Royales
9. Dick Dale
10. Linda Ronstadt
11. Gram Parsons
12. The Shangri-Las
13. Cat Stevens
14. Heart
15. Captain Beefheart

Posted by rockstar23 on Tuesday, 09.6.11 @ 04:39am


Some of Wenner's dislikes have made it onto the ballot, though, yes? It's then up to the voting body to make their choice.Lax, I do agree about Percy Sledge- one of the big head-scratchers among inductees. I mean, that one song is pretty well-regarded, but still, should not have been enough for induction.

Both Peter Gabriel and Bjork have been fairly acclaimed acts, so they should get some serious consideration, at least. Gabriel is in, as part of Genesis, at least, so if his solo work gets no immediate consideration... :)

Posted by JR on Tuesday, 09.6.11 @ 18:52pm


The Walk of Fame recipients for the year 2012 are:

MOTION PICTURES:
Jennifer Aniston, Vin Diesel, Scarlett Johansson, John Lasseter, Malcolm McDowell, Sumner Redstone, Kate Winslet and Richard Burton (posthumous)

TELEVISION:
Valerie Bertinelli, Matt Groening, Mariska Hargitay, Patricia Heaton, Marg Helgenberger, Walter Koenig, and Adam West

RECORDING:
Pepe Aguilar, AMERICA, Boyz II Men, Hal David, David Foster, Vince Gill, Jennifer Lopez, Ann and Nancy Wilson (Heart) and Barry White (posthumous)

RADIO:
Ellen K.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 09.8.11 @ 05:21am


Am I the only one who thinks the bar should be higher than Jennifer Lopez? None of her work will be considered to be industry standard even 5 years from now.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 09.8.11 @ 12:36pm


Boyz II Men? Jennifer Lopez?
Christ, they've really ran out of desrving people.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 09.8.11 @ 12:43pm


Linda Ronstadt - "First Lady of Rock"...

WTF - How much crack are these guys at the RRHOF smoking? Hello McFly.... Anyone in there... Think McFly Think...

What a bunch of horseshit... While we are at it...How about Chicago? What's up with that...

I think we should get another RRHOF and leave these guys to debate whether Donna Summers should be in the Rock n Roll HOF... What a joke...LMFAO

Posted by sam on Thursday, 09.8.11 @ 15:37pm


"First Lady of Rock"...

When one considers that Janis Joplin and Grace Slick were around first, I'd say that's incorrect.

If you're going to quote the ultimate guilty pleasure trilogy you should at least get the quote right.

I don't care much for disco either, but consider what came out of it. It influenced New Order, who were... a rock group! Go figure. Also out of disco came house, which rubbed off on... rock music! I guess Prince should be removed since he's in part descended from disco.

There are legitimate complaints to be had with the HOF, but stupid arguments like that don't help your cause.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 09.8.11 @ 18:27pm


Hal David, Barry White, Heart, America, and David Foster are 2012 Hollywood Walk of Fame inductees who are also qualified for the Rock Hall. I wonder if this will impact who the Rock Hall chooses to nominate for the 2012 Rock Hall. Hal David would be inducted in the non-performers category with Burt Bacharach. Burt Bacharach is not on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 09.8.11 @ 21:55pm


2011 Kennedy Center Honors Sonny Rollins in December. Maybe he will be chosen by the Rock Hall for 2012.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 09.8.11 @ 22:05pm


To answer Roy's last question- I would say...no

Posted by JDS on Friday, 09.9.11 @ 13:55pm


Our nomination predictions have now been posted at the top of the page.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 01:06am


Donovan is very much alive, not sure what this "long since deceased" business is about.

Posted by Greg on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 01:11am


Future Rock Legends, this is your worst predictions list ever!

Beastie Boys, KISS, LL Cool J, Donna Summer, Chic, Laura Nyro, Joe Tex, Donovan, Gram Parsons, Guns N' Roses, Sting, Rush, Joan Jett, Fela, Sonic Youth

No Chicago, no War, no Bon Jovi, no Stevie Ray Vaughan, no Red Hot Chili Peppers?

You chose Rush over Deep Purple, Yes, Jethro Tull and King Crimson?

You chose Joan Jett over Heart, who were recently interviewed by the Rock Hall?

You left out The Miracles, who Smokey Robinson has really been pushing for for the past 5 years? Smokey Robinson was recently interviewed by the Rock Hall.

You chose Fela?! What the hell?!

But I guess it's okay because you are trying very hard to think like the Rock Hall this year. It's the Rock Hall's fault, not yours!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 06:36am


No Chuck Willis, no Mary Wells, no Marvelettes.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 06:39am


Darlene Love's percentage wasn't so high, and she was inducted. But, yeah, I'd be surprised if Fela made the cut. Kinda obscure compared to most, and not exactly ABBA in terms of memorable songs, impact of the musical based on the act, etc. etc. And, the music has not even been that acclaimed.

Posted by JR on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 09:56am


Regarding the Miracles, if they get recognized it will likely be with the Musical Excellence Award, not on the ballot with the other artists (since this is really a Rock Hall screwup, they shouldn't have to go through the balloting process).

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 10:33am


Regarding the Miracles, if they get recognized it will likely be with the Musical Excellence Award, not on the ballot with the other artists (since this is really a Rock Hall screwup, they shouldn't have to go through the balloting process).

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 10:33am


...But would Smokey Robinson be included in the induction as a Miracle?

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 10:50am


The Miracles were NEVER "sidemen" to Smokey. He was a Miracle too. For 8 years, they were billed simply as "The Miracles"....and Smokey's name was NOT billed separately from the group.

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 12:04pm


If Motown's first group goes in as "sidemen", while a group that was assembled for a sixties TV sitcom goes in as "main performers", that would indeed be a travesty.

What a joke.

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 12:20pm


Bill G. -- the Musical Excellence Award is not the same as the Sidemen award -- it's likely to be much more flexible than that.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 12:24pm


I would of thought that new order/joy division would have had a bit of a boost considering the hall did their living legends thing on peter hook. Oh well.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 13:51pm


"Bill G. -- the Musical Excellence Award is not the same as the Sidemen award -- it's likely to be much more flexible than that."

Posted by Future Rock Legends

Perhaps. But THE MIRACLES deserve to go in as MAIN PERFORMERS....everyone here KNOWS THAT.

They've been victims of bias and politics since day one...they deserve much better.
The MIRACLES get the booby prize, while people like PERCY SLEDGE,BUFFALO SPRINGFIELD, DARLENE LOVE,BLONDIE, and THE RONETTES get in as MAIN PERFORMERS ?? Give me a BREAK !!!

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 15:45pm


Fela? REALLY, FRH? Has it come to that??? Based on what (I doubt even the
Wenner Hall has them on their radar), exactly?

Posted by JDS on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 18:59pm


If The Miracles do get nominated in the main performers category, they will be inducted on the first try!! All inductees would vote for them! They are a shoe-in! Get them in the right way and get it over with!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 20:24pm


Fela has gotten a lot of publicity recently thanks to a hit Broadway musical. I'm thinking Future Rock Legends chose Fela because of ABBA. ABBA's music was used recently in Broadway musicals and then they were inducted into The Rock Hall.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 21:11pm


The Future Rock Legends Predictions for 2012 are now posted. Of the predicted finalists, I will say that 3 will not get any consideration this time out. This is mainly due to the influence of the Future Rock Legends website and our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall. In the years ahead, forthcoming inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will, at least in the performers category, be based on whom we have inducted in the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall project. 3 of those named as predicted finalists have not been inducted into our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall.

Sting: the good news is that The Police are in the Hall of Fame. While I would like to see an induction for Sting in recognition of his full line of works, there are many that feel Sting's years with The Police was Sting at his best. it might occur, yet I believe it is doubtful for this coming induction cycle.

Joan Jett: another great artist that I believe deserves induction. However, before Joan Jett is inducted; her old band, The Runaways, will need to be seriously considered. Jett, Lita Ford, Cherrie Currie, Sandy West, and a rotating number of bassists including Michael Steele, Jackie Fox and Victory Teshla-Blue were truly the first great all female band that mattered. The fact that many of them were in their late teens in their first taste of fame in the late 1970s is rather astounding as well. So yes, Joan Jett deserves induction. An induction for The Runaways may need to come first though.

Joseph Hazziez (Joe Tex): While worthy of induction, it has been a long while since Joe Tex passed away in 1982. A great deal of recordings and performances survive, yet it feels rather incomplete. Had he not died during an important return to the stage, Joe Tex might have already been inducted and considered one of the great soul and R&B artists. Alas, all was not meant to be.

Were I to subtract the 3 artists and put in another 3, here is whom I would pick: Peter Gabriel, Heart and Chuck Willis. In any case, not every artist predicted to be a finalist for induction has actually turned out to be a finalist for induction. Here is whom I believe right now will be inducted as Performers into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2012.


Peter Gabriel
Guns N' Roses
Donna Summer
Chic
LL Cool J

That is just if it is 5 inductees. Here are 7 other artists that will be , I believe, finalists.


Rush
Beastie Boys
Janet Jackson
Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
The Eurythmics
Soundgarden
Depeche Mode

Of those 7, I could easily see Depeche Mode nudge their way to induction. Let it be known, in our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project, Depeche Mode was inducted for the Revisited Class of 2007 in the first ballot. And, Depeche Mode made the list of VH1's revised 100 Greatest Rock Stars of All Time, coming in at #94. Those are my assertions. The only certain lock for induction in 2012 is, I surmise, Peter Gabriel.

The Great Dictator is rather apt for a mood movie this week,

Lax28

Posted by Lax28 on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 21:56pm


I've skimmed through most of the comments, and I agree with mostly all of them. I also agree with FRH on the 'already nominated' category, but I definitely would like to add Kraftwerk to that list. To me they are the most influential act that is not in the HOF. As far as left fieldness, I would definitely have to go with the Eurythmics, the Commodores, and Nick Drake. Those acts should have been in a long time ago, but you just never know!

Posted by Jason V on Saturday, 09.10.11 @ 21:57pm


^^Here's a cleaned-up version of what I posted above:

"The Future Rock Legends Predictions for 2012 are now posted. Of the predicted finalists, I will say that 3 will not get any consideration this time out. This is mainly due to the influence of the Future Rock Legends website and our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall. In the years ahead, forthcoming inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will, at least in the performers category, be based on whom we have inducted in the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall project. 3 of those named as predicted finalists have not been inducted into our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall."
-Lax28

WTF! Are you delusional? As much as I like this site, I doubt it even has smidgeon of influence on who the NomCom will want to nominate and who the members will want to induct. Do you seriously think that this site's Revisted/Projected projects hold that much influence? I doubt even a tenth of the members have heard of FRL.

Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 09.11.11 @ 01:59am


Here are my nomination predictions:

Kiss
Guns 'n' Roses
Willie Nelson
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Heart
Beastie Boys
Randy Newman
The Cars
Donna Summer
the Shangri-La's

I doubt this will even be close since it skews awfully modern and more hard rock than usual but it'd be nice to see half of these on the actual list.

Posted by Greg on Sunday, 09.11.11 @ 03:16am


I'd applaud a nomination for Fela Kuti. The Hall of Fame would finally recognize "world music" and particularly African music as an important part of the history of rock 'n' roll. I'd say Kuti would be the most obvious choice, since his afrobeat was more influential than for instance the music of King Sunny Adé and Youssou N'Dour on western music. Kuti was the first to spark attention to African music, even if that didn't result into U.S. hits. It was to him where people like David Byrne, Brian Eno, Peter Gabriel and to a lesser extent Paul Simon turned to when they were looking for inspiration. Artists like Paul McCartney, Stevie Wonder and James Brown went to Lagos in the 1970s to become acquainted with his music. Kuti's influence can still be heard in recent acts like TV On the Radio and Vampire Weekend.

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 09.11.11 @ 07:03am


http://rockhall.com/blog/post/6444_elton-john-world-tour-albums/

From the Rock Hall website

Thursday, September 8, 2011

Elton John's World of Rock

Elton John's World Tour stops in Cleveland, Ohio, at Blossom Music Center.

I don't know if The Rock Hall posted this on their website just because Elton happens to be in Cleveland, or also because the Rock Hall plans on inducting Bernie Taupin in 2012.

Heart (who were recently interviewed at the Rock Hall) are big fans of Elton John and Bernie Taupin and they mentioned them recently in their blog on the Rock Hall's website. I hope this means Heart and Bernie Taupin will be inducted the same year (hopefully 2012). Bernie Taupin wrote the lyrics for Heart's number one hit, These Dreams, from 1985. Music by Martin Page.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 09.11.11 @ 07:15am


NON-PERFORMERS FOR INDUCTION

Bernie Lowe, Tom Dowd, John Simon, Arif Mardin, Phil Ramone, Quincy Jones, David Foster, Jim Steinman, Bob Crewe, David Porter, Richard Barrett, Robert Blackwell, Carole Bayer Sager, Diane Warren, Bernie Taupin

Kal Mann and Dave Appell
Bert Berns and Jerry Ragovoy
Norman Whitfield and Barret Strong
Burt Bacharach and Hal David
Henry Cosby and Sylvia Moy
Thom Bell and Linda Creed
Boudleaux and Felice Bryant

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 09.11.11 @ 07:50am


With Nick Ashford's recent passing, I think the Rock Hall will induct Ashford & Simpson in the non-performers category. Their output as performers and non-performers is pretty even. Inducting them in the non-performers category would be okay, even more so now that Ashford has passed away. I don't think Valerie Simpson cares how they are inducted. They are already in The Songwriters Hall of Fame. They wrote Ain't No Mountain High Enough, Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing, I'm Every Woman, Solid, among others.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 09.11.11 @ 08:09am


I don't know how much something like VH1's 100 Artists list comes into play- I think more of widespread strong showing on those things would be more of a factor. But, Depeche Mode's music has enjoyed decent acclaim, so it's worth considering, for sure.

Posted by JR on Sunday, 09.11.11 @ 10:20am


I just posted my picks on my blog. Since it's a long entry, I didn't want to clutter the page here with it, so I'll link to it, and then just list the artists that I think will be on the ballot. Allowing up to sixteen nominees, here.

The link to the full version: http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2011/09/picking-ballot.html

The names, for those who don't care why I chose them:

Chic
Laura Nyro
LL Cool J
Donna Summer
Guns N' Roses
Johnny Burnette And The Rock And Roll Trio
Roxy Music
Electric Light Orchestra
Spinners
Stevie Ray Vaughan And Double Trouble
Judy Collins
Sonic Youth
Spencer Davis Group
Chuck Willis
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Grass Roots (purely left field pick)

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09.11.11 @ 18:53pm


I've read all of your blog posts, Philip. They're very well thought out and objective. Keep 'em coming.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 09.11.11 @ 20:35pm


I've made a blog on my Facebook account about my 15 predictions for the HOF. My reasonings are detailed. I'm not gonna take up the whole site with that, so I'll just list the 15 artists I feel that we'll see on the ballot. I've divided them up based on how many acts the Hall goes with. The last three years have had different amounts of nominations. 9 in 2009, 12 in 2010, and 15 this past year.

So if there happens to be only 9 nominees, here's who I think will be on the ballot....

The Beastie Boys
Ben E. King
Chic
Deep Purple
Donna Summer
Guns N' Roses
Laura Nyro
Salt N' Pepa
Whitney Houston

If there's 12 like in 2010, the 9 above will be on the ballot, plus the next three acts....

Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio
Randy Newman
The Red Hot Chili Peppers

And if it's 15 like this past year, add three more....

Gram Parsons
Rush
Stevie Ray Vaughan


Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 09.11.11 @ 23:15pm


Pardon my ignorance, but are they gonna announce the nominees straight after they meet (like today, or maybe tomorrow) or are they gonna announce them at a later date?

Posted by rockstar23 on Monday, 09.12.11 @ 15:48pm


The nominees recently have been announced (or leaked) in the last week of September, give or take a few days.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Monday, 09.12.11 @ 16:26pm


I guess no Chicago,Blood Sweat and Tears or Ringo Starr this year? Again!

Posted by Brad Englehart on Monday, 09.12.11 @ 16:40pm


I'm stunned that Judas Priest, the biggest and arguably the most influencial heavy metal band of all time with a 40 year history and still actively playing is snubbed year and year..
Unbelievable!

Posted by JayDee on Wednesday, 09.14.11 @ 09:14am


I'd say Black Sabbath was more influnetial, but I agree it's idiculous they haven't been inducted. Than agin, the hall hates metal bands that werne't sucessful in the US.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 09.14.11 @ 13:05pm


"Then again, the Hall hates metal bands. It took them ages to get Sabbath in, and even Metallica would've been left out if not for their crossover success."

Fixed :)

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 09.14.11 @ 17:50pm


All my loooong emails to Dr. Onkey, Jim Henke, Dave Marsh, Anthony DeCurtis, Terry Stewart, Robert Hilburn and all the others at the Rock Hall will make sure that The Miracles are nominated and inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the main performers category, and that all members are inducted as The Miracles because The Miracles came first!!

THE MIRACLES

01. William "Smokey" Robinson
02. Robert "Bobby" Rogers
03. Ronald "Ronnie" White
04. Warren "Pete" Moore
05. Claudette Rogers
06. Marvin Tarplin
07. Billy Griffin

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 09.15.11 @ 10:56am


My Predictions:

If 9:

Beastie Boys
Chic
Guns N' Roses
LL Cool J
KISS
Laura Nyro
Gram Parsons
Cat Stevens
Donna Summer

If 12, add:

Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Rush

If 15, add:

Joe Tex
Heart
King Crimson

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 09.15.11 @ 11:57am


I wouldn't bet on it Roy.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 09.15.11 @ 12:45pm


You guessed right, Brad- deal with it (and forget about Bread, too)!

Posted by EDS on Thursday, 09.15.11 @ 13:33pm


Yeah, I'm betting not either, Roy. If anything, you only annoyed them further with the LOONNNNG emails about it.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 09.16.11 @ 16:16pm


i would like to see .......Guns N Roses-Def Leppard -SoundGarden-Red Hot Chili Peppers-Thin Lyzzy-Beasty Boys-Heart and Motorhead go into the ROCK N ROLL HALL OF FAME

Posted by mike on Friday, 09.16.11 @ 23:10pm


If there truly was a god than Kraftwerk would get in.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 09.17.11 @ 07:53am


My personal top 5 for 2012
Jethro Tull'
Yes
Steve Miller
Donavan
KISS

alternitives
ELP
ELO
Scorpions
J Geils
Rush
Doobie Brothers
Deep Purple

Posted by danny on Saturday, 09.17.11 @ 10:37am


how can PAT BENATAR not be considered? she is one of the most successful female rock artists. billboard even wrote an article about how she influenced and helped pave the way for the girls today. she had to deal with sexism and did not let anyone stand in her way. as she says in BEST SHOT--she's a real tough cookie! get her new book. it was insane what she went through with her record company!

BENATAR deserves to be in Rock and Roll Hall of Fame!!

Posted by jeff on Saturday, 09.17.11 @ 10:37am


"I wouldn't bet on it Roy."

Posted by GFW

"Yeah, I'm betting not either, Roy. If anything, you only annoyed them further with the LOONNNNG emails about it."

Posted by Philip

Maybe those LOOONNNG E-mails are just what they NEED to get them to WAKE UP and do the right thing . LL COOL J, JOE TEX, and CHIC over THE MIRACLES ?? GIVE ME A BREAK !!

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 09.17.11 @ 11:40am


Sorry, but they are more likely to just delete them.

Anyway if long emails worked than believe me i would of sent many about Kraftwerk. Their omission is actually amazing.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 09.17.11 @ 16:10pm


Here's who I see on the ballot for 2012.
Guns 'N' Roses
RUSH
Beastie Boys
Gram Parsons
Donna Summer
WAR
Laura Nyro
The "5" Royals
The Smiths or the Cure
Captian Beefheart
chic
Donovan

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 09.18.11 @ 00:27am


Hey EDS, Keep it positive! I'm a young guy at almost 27 years of age with dreams since I was 9 years old of seeing Chicago inducted, and that day will come sometime!I believe! Won't stop believin!

Posted by Brad Englehart on Sunday, 09.18.11 @ 23:21pm


My predictions in order of likelihood


If 9 nominees:

1) Guns'N'Roses - First year, new name
2) Beastie Boys - Rap Great,
3) Chic - Perennial
4) Donna Summer - Too common lately to be ignored
5) The "5" Royales - To satisfy the 50's need
6) LL Cool J - Seems to be a newly popular choice
7) Heart - Quite a bit of buzz lately at the HOF
8) Red Hot Chili Peppers - A little to much noise about lack of induction to be excluded
9) KISS - Either them or Rush

If 12
10) Rush - To big to have never been considered.
11) Pat Benatar - The Women in Rock exhibit boosts the amount of females possibly vying this year, and Benatar has a steady list of credentials.
12) Janet Jackson - Same as Pat Benatar

If 15
13) Sting - Star power needed to gain a nomination.
14) Laura Nyro - The Hall seems to love unrecognized mainstream talent lately.
15) Gram Parsons or Linda Ronstadt - Gives the Hall a little more country credentials.

Not to be counted out
Sonic Youth

Left of Field nominees
Willie Nelson
Charlie Parker
Peter, Paul, and Mary
Joan Baez
Judy Collins

Not to be counted out
Sonic Youth
Joe Tex
Whitney Houston
Bon Jovi
Randy Newman
Bon Jovi
Mary Wells
Chaka Khan/Rufus

The 5 Inducted
1) Guns'N'Roses
2) Donna Summer
3) LL Cool J/The Beastie Boys
4) Chic
5) Heart

Possibly KISS or Gram Parsons

Early Influence
1) Sister Rosetta Tharpe - Attention draw at the last Women Who Rock exhibit
* Possibly the 5 Royales in a backdoor way as Wanda Jackson was

Ahmet Ertgun Award
1) Boudleaux & Felice Bryant

I am guessing that the Hall acknowledges Disco this year in some way, if not with both acts.

Posted by Chris on Tuesday, 09.20.11 @ 16:58pm


I am guessing that the nominees will be announced sometime next week, probaby on Tuesday or Wednesday. This is just a guess, but I think that is about the time the annoucements have occured in the past.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 09.23.11 @ 12:57pm


WILLY DEVILLE and Mink DeVille band - true "heart and Soul" of rock and roll>^..^< :))

Posted by Kat on Friday, 09.23.11 @ 13:04pm


Gassman, it will definitely be early next week. They've known the nominees for almost two weeks now, so the press release/phone calls are probably all finished by now.

Plus, the Facebook page made a big deal of stating that you'll be the first to learn about the nominations by Liking the Rock Hall page. Of course, we all know the list will be in three hundred articles on Google News within five minutes after.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 09.23.11 @ 16:00pm


JUDAS PRIEST, RUSH, KISS, IRON MAIDEN,
OZZY OSBOURNE,DEF LEPPARD, BON JOVI,
PAT BENETAR,THIN LIZZY,HEART,PETER GABRIEL,
should ALL be in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame

Posted by TRUTH on Friday, 09.23.11 @ 21:04pm



It will possibly be a Tuesday that finalists for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2012 in the Performers category will be announced. I am of the belief that the Future Rock Legends website has greatly influenced whom will be imnducted in the actual Hall of Fame in the years to come. I am also certain that some on the Nominating Committee have either looked at this website or even posted here. In any way, we have succeeded in making our voices and influence known. Congratulations to all involved.

From my inference and predictions, there will be at least 5 inductees chosen out of a probable 15 finalists. In addition, in my opinion, Peter Gabriel will be inducted on his own accord for 2012; so will Guns N' Roses be inducted first ballot. I also believe Donna Summer will be inducted after quite a bit of arm twisting for voters to be convinced of Summer's influence. Where that leads the other 2 slots remains to be seen. Although I think Chic may be inducted after years of just being a finalist, and The Monkees could be inducted provided they make it to the Finalists ballot. Of course, there are other inductees and finalists to be named. I just hope Jann Wenner and Co. do not pull our chains and attempt to induct an act not really worthy of inducting. Personally, if I find J. Geils and his band are finalists again, I will at the very least be inclined to facepalm myself. In the off chance that a one-hit wonder of little importance gets a finalist nod (e.g., the Kingsmen), I may likely send letters and emails detailing my disapproval. Please heed our concerns Wenner and Co.: do not jerk us and others back and forth.

Glad to get that off my rear end,

Lax28

Posted by Lax28 on Sunday, 09.25.11 @ 13:32pm


If the Kingsmen got inducted than I would be dissapointed. Louie louie ain't even good.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 09.25.11 @ 14:22pm


It seems like the announcement is gonna be made this week, from what people are indicating here.

One thing is for sure, I hope to hell that J.Geils Band does not net another nomination. Of all the acts the nominators have pushed, this one is not a HOF group in any way, shape or form.

At least Percy Sledge (the unanimously agreed upon worst inductee) had a true classic in "When a Man Loves A Woman". I doubt many people will be singing "Centrefold" in 50 years time.

Posted by rockstar23 on Monday, 09.26.11 @ 01:32am


Better get my predictions in before the announcement!

If there's 9 nominees:

1. Beastie Boys
2. Donna Summer
3. Guns N' Roses
(I'd be shocked if these three aren't among the inductees this year)

4. Chic
5. LL Cool J
6. Laura Nyro
(perennial choices)

7. Heart
(their hype at the Hall right now is pretty big. Their visit had to have had some sort of impact)

8. Kiss
9. Joe Tex, Chuck Willis, The Chantels or The 5 Royales for the final spot. (cheating, I know)


If there's 12:

10. Randy Newman
11. Red Hot Chili Peppers
12. Rush

If there's 15:

13. Janet Jackson
14. Donovan
15. Another one of the acts I tied for 9th.

I can't muster any excitement for a Rush induction, but I'll freely admit that's a personal bias. I will add to the chorus and say that another J. Geils Band nomination will make me die a bit inside.

Posted by DC on Monday, 09.26.11 @ 03:01am


I'm also gonna go out on a limb and predict/hope that they recognize Glen Campbell this year. It seems like a great time considering his Alzheimers diagnosis this past year. That new "Musical Excellence" thing seems perfect for him.

I could see them back-dooring Laura Nyro to that category too.

Posted by DC on Monday, 09.26.11 @ 03:41am


I will actually be pretty disappointed if the J. Geils Band make the nominee list again this year, and it's not because I don't like them.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 09.26.11 @ 07:55am


I'll actually be suprised if the J. Geils Band appears on the ballot again, especially if there are only 9 nominees. While they've been pushed for, they haven't been pushed as heavily as Chic, Joe Tex, and Donna Summer. The Hall has been trying for years to get disco in via Chic and/or Donna Summer. Whereas with the J. Giels Band, there are plenty of other "classic rock" bands that can fill that slot. I'm not saying they won't ever be nominated again, I just think the Hall will go for other artists this year.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 09.26.11 @ 10:15am


And Glen Campbell would be perfect for the "Musical Excellence" award. I would like to see him get it too while his Alzheimers's Disease is in the early stages so he can recognize that he's being rewarded and truly appreciate it.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 09.26.11 @ 10:17am


I'll be a little annoyed if J Geils Band gets nominated again this year, too.

I'm still hopeful (but not holding my breath) that Janet Jackson will finally get recognized.

Posted by Mike on Monday, 09.26.11 @ 10:34am


Since it looks like the nominations could be named at any time, I guess I'll try my hand at predicting who I think will be on that list...assuming there will be 15 nominees again:

1) The Beastie Boys
2) LL Cool J
3) Chic
4) Donna Summer
5) Guns N' Roses
6) Laura Nyro - I consider these 6 to be very likely to be on there, much like DC

Rounding out the ballot:

7) KISS - The hard rock choice
8) Red Hot Chili Peppers - The modern rock choice
9) Gram Parsons - The singer-songwriter choice
10) Joe Tex - The 50's choice
11) Johnny Burnette and the Rock N' Roll Trio - The Little Steven choice
12) Heart - The female artist choice (this would be a nice surprise as a fan)
13) Sonic Youth - The alt-rock choice
14) Donovan - The British Invason choice
15) The Chantels - The "let's nominate a previous nominee again to fill out the ballot" choice

Posted by BSLO on Monday, 09.26.11 @ 11:37am


Nominations will be revealed very soon, if not today, probably tomorrow. It could be a little later, but I really doubt.

The Hall Facebook page has a whole section set up for the nominees list which they will reveal on their wall (I can't WAIT to read the hundreds of angry comments...especially if Rush isn't on the ballot). They have already given away that the week of festivities will run from April 6th to April 14th, so I presume that Saturday April 14th, 2012 will be the next induction ceremony.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 09.26.11 @ 14:21pm


Last year's nominations were revealed on Tuesday as well, so I'd bet all my chips on tomorrow for certain.

If someone is web savvy enough and the rock hall plans a page for each nominated artist, I bet a lot of the material is already on their web site...just sayin....

Posted by Casper on Monday, 09.26.11 @ 14:23pm


K, I just bugged Toure for some information. A hint for one measly artist. Let's see if he bites. ;)

Posted by Casper on Monday, 09.26.11 @ 14:28pm


Looks like the nominees are gonna officially be announced tomorrow. I am so excited!!!!

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 09.26.11 @ 21:59pm


IT'S OUT! IT'S OUT!!!

Here is a link to a copied Rolling Stone article with the nominees:

http://craigjparker.blogspot.com/2011/09/cure-finally-nominated-for-r-hof.html?spref=tw

They are:

Red Hot Chili Peppers
Guns N' Roses
Donovan
Rufus with Chaka Khan
The Spinners
The Small Faces (The Faces)
The Cure
Eric B. & Rakim
Beastie Boys
Heart
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
Freddy King

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 04:49am


Wow, great list this year. "All of the above" sounds good to me.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 05:09am


I'm thinking I'll probably be writing the Faces as "The (Small) Faces" a la the (Young) Rascals, haha.

I love seeing Chaka Khan on there. She, Donna Summer and Patti LaBelle should be in before they ever consider Janet and Whitney (who I do believe are worthy).

I really hope the Beasties can pull it out this year, even though another hip-hop act has been nominated again (Eric B. & Rakim, who I also believe are worthy).

Great, great, great list. I love it.

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 05:18am


War and Laura Nyro also made the ballot, although they weren't included in the RS article.

The nominees:

Red Hot Chili Peppers
Guns N' Roses
Donovan
Laura Nyro
Rufus with Chaka Khan
The Spinners
War
The Small Faces (The Faces)
The Cure
Eric B. & Rakim
Beastie Boys
Heart
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
Freddy King

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 05:26am


I'm thrilled beyond belief to see the Cure on the ballot finally. Now, can they scrape up the votes to finally get things moving on the 80's Alternative/College void?

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 05:30am


I'm really excited to see The Cure nominated, too!!

Was hoping to see Janet Jackson listed, but perhaps next year?

Nice to see Rufus & Chaka, too.

Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 05:32am


This is a pretty good ballot, though like usual I'm disappointed. One I like it when there's 15 nominees. They could've fit in another singer-songwriter (Laura Nyro, Gram Parsons, or Randy Newman), and one of the big three 70's hard rock groups (Deep Purple, KISS, and Rush), and another '60s classic rock group (the Monkees, the Moody Blues, Paul Revere and the Raiders, etc.).

But to me with the exception of the Small Faces and Freddy King, I'm all for all of the nominated acts being inducted. While the Small Faces were influential on mod-rock and thus later on the Britpop era of the '90s, I still can't help be underwhelmed with their nomination when compared to other acts of their era that deserve to be nominated moreso. Although seeing Ronnie Lane and Steve Marriott (one of the most underrated rock vocalists of all-time) get in the HOF sounds like a win to me, plus Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood would join the "Clyde McPhatter" club, something I wasn't ever even thinking was possible.

I'm really surprised that the Hall went with as many female hard rock artists that they did, and to me they picked the right choices. Heart to me should easily be the next female "rock act" to be inducted. I know most people would rather the Runaways have gotten the nod, but realistically, Joan Jett made more of an impact with her solo career with the Blackhearts, than with her run in the Runaways. While they inspired many future female groups, it was Joan Jett on her own, Pat Benatar, and the Go Go's that really put female rock artists on the map and made it truly possible for future hard rock female artists to become successful. They proved it was possible. And Joan Jett put out more classic songs with the Blackhearts than the Runaways, so to me it makes sense to nominate Joan Jett and the Blackhearts rather than the Runaways.

As for the Beastie Boys, I don't think that Eric B. and Rakim is gonna pose near as much of a threat to them getting shut out as LL Cool J has the last two years and would've had he been nomianted again. Eric B. and Rakim just don't have the mass appeal that LL does, so much of the older baby-boom era voters will probably barely even know who Eric B. and Rakim is what their real influence on rap music is, unlike LL who is one of the biggest stars in rap history. I'm sure that most of the people voting will have no problem voting for the Beasties over Eric B. and Rakim if they decide to vote for a rap act. Whereas LL and the Beasties together had enough mass appeal to earlier generation that the votes were split, hence why both have yet to be inducted.

I'm actually kind of disappointed to see that Donna Summer didn't make the ballot this year, as to me she is the most important non-hard rock female act that hasn't been inducted yet. But then again, it's nice to see Chaka Kahn on the ballot for the first time, who has also been very influential on future female R&B and pop artists. Chaka Kahn may have a better chance, because Rufus wasn't really pegged under disco, but under funk, which is a far more respected genre amongst rock critics and fans and artists.

And I'm really happy to see the Spinners get a shot at the ballot. The Hall has really dropped the ball the last few years with '70s and '80s R&B, instead continunely nominating Donna Summer (who does deserve it) and Chic and Joe Tex. Whereas groups like the Spinners, Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes, The Commodores, Rufus and Chaka Kahn, Teddy Pendergrass, Barry White, and Luther Vandross have been passed over. It's nice to see some new R&B blood with Rufus/Chaka Kahn and the Spinners being nominated.

The Cure being nominated is awesome. Along with RHCP and Sonic Youth and the Smiths, they are one of the most notable alternative acts currently eligible. And unlike Sonic Youth and the Smiths, the Cure have been commercially successful and even defined an entire cultural movement (the goth movement), so I'm all for their nomination. I'd like to see them make it.

Guns N' Roses, we all knew would get nominated, and will obviously be inducted, they'll probably finish first in the votes as they should.

I think as far as an outside genre type artist (blues, folk, country), they could've picked someone better than Freddy King. As far as blues acts, why not Stevie Ray Vaughan!!!! And as far as blues artists in the same era as Freddy King, why not Albert King, or Albert Collins, or Slim Harpo? I would've preferred a country artist like Willie Nelson, Loretta Lynn, Dolly Parton, George Jones, or Patsy Cline get nominated too. I have nothing against Freddy King. I just think they've could've picked someone better.

I have nothing against Donovan being on the ballot again. He's got tons of good songs, and I would have no problem with his induction.

If I got to vote on the ballot, I would vote for the following five artists.....

The Beastie Boys
The Cure
Guns N' Roses
The Red Hot Chili Peppers
Heart or The Spinners (can't decide)

Chronologically I would like Heart to go in over the Cure and RHCP, but I'd have to admit that in the grand scheme of rock and roll, the Cure and RHCP are probably more important than Heart and the Spinners for that matter. But I'd like an R&B act to make it (the Spinners especially).

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 05:38am


I just now saw that Laura Nyro and War are on the ballot as well. And is there a 15th act to round it out (Donna Summer or Rush or Stevie Ray Vaughan?). With the new additions, I might be inclined to vote for War over the Spinners actually. That's a close call. I wouldn't vote for Laura Nyro though. Sorry :(

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 05:44am


Looks like Donna Summer did in fact make the list yet again. Yawn.

Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 05:55am


Here is the RS article: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/guns-n-roses-the-cure-red-hot-chili-peppers-nominated-for-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-20110927

The nominees listed, in order, are:

Guns N' Roses
The Cure
Heart
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
Eric B. & Rakim
The Spinners
The (Small) Faces
Freddie King
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Beastie Boys
Laura Nyro
War
Donovan
Red Hot Chili Peppers

That's it. So, I guess it's 14 this year.

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 05:57am


Yep, Mike, more news articles are popping up listing Donna Summer's name as the 15th.

Dear Cleveland: With a list like this, five inductees is just not enough. Please up it to eight or something. Please?

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 05:59am


Where is Donna Summer getting mentioned as the 15th nominee? Link please.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 06:01am


Donnie- Here is the list on their official Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/rockandrollhalloffame?sk=app_261638650537551

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 06:02am


Overall pretty solide set of nominees. The only ones I'm kinda iffy on are Freddie King and The (Small) Faces.

I hope there are more than 5 inductees this year but it probably isn't gonna happen. I thought they would nominate one of the big 3 hard rock snubs (KISS, Rush or Deep Purple) though.

BEYOND THRILLED FOR THE CURE! Finally!!!

My early 5:
Beastie Boys
GNR
The Cure
Heart
RHCP or Donna Summer

I don't think we'll get an R&B/Disco inductee this year. I think voters will be really torn between Donna, Rufus & Chaka, The Spinners and War. If there is one, I'm hoping the perennial choice Donna Summer finally gets her (and Disco) due.

I hope Joan Jett doesn't syphon off too much votes from Heart though. (Joan is deserving but Heart deserves it more chronologically and in the grander scheme of things).

Posted by rockstar23 on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 06:43am


Right now, my first three definite choices I would vote for are the Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses, and Donna Summer. After that I'm torn between Heart, the Spinners, and the Cure. Chronologically, Heart and the Spinners should get in before the Cure, but I would love to see an alternative act in. The Red Hot Chili Peppers would be my 7th choice, but I consider them a '90s act, so they can wait another year or two.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 07:34am


This better be the top 5 that get into the HOF because they are the best 5 of the ballot this year:
Donavan
Small Faces
Laura Nyro
Donna Summer
War
FYI: What the hell is rap and newer RnR doing dominating the nominations list once again????

Posted by danny on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 08:19am


This better be the top 5 that get into the HOF because they are the best 5 of the ballot this year:
Donavan
Small Faces
Laura Nyro
Donna Summer
War
FYI: What the hell is rap and newer RnR doing dominating the nominations list once again????

Posted by danny on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 08:20am


"FYI: What the hell is rap and newer RnR doing dominating the nominations list once again????"

-Danny


Because the time has come for the RNRHOF to start acknowleding the 1980's and 1990's (artists that debuted in the '80s and went on to influence the 1990's).

Do we really need more 3rd and 4th tier acts from the 1950's and the early 1960's to continue being inducted while the major acts of the 1980's be ignored? I certainly don't think that at least.

Of course there are many major acts from the late 1960's and the 1970's "classic rock period" that still need inducted, but I have no problem with the Hall starting to move towards more modern genres like rap, heavy metal, alternative rock, punk rock and new wave, etc. What I'd like to see is maybe 3 '60s/70's acts inducted with 2 late '70s/1980's acts.

You're really telling me that Paul Revere and the Raiders and the Small Faces meant more to rock and roll than Guns N' Roses and Nirvana and Pearl Jam (who will be eligible in the coming years)?

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 08:27am


I'm getting ready to start making my blog with my thoughts on this year's nominees. I'll post my link later on.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 08:54am


Wow, some of these people on the Rock Hall's facebook page are dumb as hell. The Beasties Boys are not rock? Really? Have they not heard "Sabotage?" Wow.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 09:17am


We've tallied up the predictions and we have a three-way tie for the lead. Ben (9/18), DC (9/26) and BSLO (9/26) all correctly predicted 7 out of the 15 nominees. Congratulations!

We correctly predicted 6 out of 15. Others who also got 6 right: Sam, Greg F, rockstar23, Chris, and Gassman. Well done.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 09:43am


I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't see one of the big three hard rock snubs nominated this year (KISS, Rush, Deep Purple), but it's very hard to argue that these nominees aren't a huge step up from previous years.

It's nice to see that there is a lot of new blood on the ballot, and only a small minority of questionable nominees (particularly the Small Faces...I like them but there were several better choices from their genre/era).

I'd love to see the final five be GNR, Heart, The Beastie Boys, The Cure and RHCP, but I doubt more than 3 of those bands will get in. Maybe we'll get lucky and see more than 5 bands get in this year, because there are definitely a lot of deserving acts on this ballot.

Either way, it's nice to see lots of women, some alternative rock and a couple of first-ballot acts on the ballot. Well done nominating committee!

Posted by BSLO on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 09:57am


Here's my blog about the 2012 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees...

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created&¬e_id=10150303944130423#!/notes/donnie-durham/my-thoughts-on-the-nominees-for-the-2012-class-of-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame/10150303944130423

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 11:38am


Well, I have just looked at the 15 finalists for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2012 in the Performers Category. 12 of the 15 have already been inducted in our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. I might expect Joan Jett and/or The Runaways to join in fairly soon. I am not really interested in The Small Faces; indeed I feel peturbed that the Hall of Fame is practically double dipping with getting The (Small) Faces inducted if that includes the Rod Stewart era. The RRHOF has already inducted Rod Stewart; why induct his Faces work again? As for Chaka Khan, I never really paid much attention to it.

So, of the finalists listed, here is whom I believe will be the 5 inductees. Yes, again only 5 inductees.

The Cure
Heart
Guns N' Roses
Donna Summer
Eric B. and Rakim

And now, the bad news. For the 9th consecutive time, I have again been proven wrong by the nominating committee. Peter Gabriel has again not been considered as a finalist. Albeit Genesis has been inducted; yet an induction for Peter Gabriel is needed. One reason why the Revisited/Projected Project is miles better than the real thing is the fact that Peter Gabriel, along with other artists like The Euythmics, Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens), Chic and Depeche Mode have gotten inducted here. And I did not need to be the most vocal in getting many of these artists inducted. Well, with that out of the way, we should now get back to the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project for the Classes of 2027 and beyond. I look forward to it and am ready.

Jann Wenner and Co. do not care about art rock:(,

Lax28

Posted by Lax28 on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 19:34pm


Why can't they just break down and finally let Def Leppard in. This is just completely bullcrap. RNRHOF is a joke.

Posted by kim on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 00:01am


Rush isn't nominated to be inducted into the Rock Hall of Fame? Outrageous. They are standout musicians and still selling out major venues after 35 years. They are an iconic band for my generation and deserve to be inducted for their significant accomplishments and contributions to the rock music genre.

Posted by joanie2112 on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 19:40pm


"You're really telling me that Paul Revere and the Raiders and the Small Faces meant more to rock and roll than Guns N' Roses and Nirvana and Pearl Jam (who will be eligible in the coming years)?"

-Donnie

I am just saying that they should get the older
acts in first, and then induct the newer acts. It is not fair that a younger act like Guns n Roses should wait until an older more inspiring act like the Small Faces get their due. I only think that is how the HOF should operate

Posted by danny on Saturday, 10.1.11 @ 16:30pm


Even older acts who did not matter at all?

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 10.2.11 @ 12:01pm


Atleast it's not like Roy who thinks everyone who made a hit in the 60's-90's should get in.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 10.2.11 @ 12:27pm


Here are the top 25 vote-getters (year 2011) on the "Deserving of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" list at:
http://www.rateitall.com/t-2529-deserving-of-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame.aspx

The 2012 nominees for the R&R HoF are (# indicates where they were on my list at the time of their nomination): Red Hot Chili Peppers (#19), Guns n' Roses (#25), Joan Jett (#60), The Beastie Boys (#168), Heart (#12), Freddie King (#181), Laura Nyro (#191), Rufus with Chaka Khan (#421), Donna Summer (#212), The Faces/Small Faces (#232), The Spinners (#82), Donovan (#30), The Cure (#43), Eric B. & Rakim (#949), War (#64)

1) Rush

2) Chicago

3) Yes

4) Deep Purple

5) Doobie Brothers

6) Moody Blues

7) Dire Straits

8) The Cars

9) Electric Light Orchestra

10) Jethro Tull

11) Pete Townshend (solo)

12) Heart

13) Journey

14) Steve Miller

15) Carole King

16) Styx

17) Kiss

18) Peter Gabriel (solo)

19) Red Hot Chili Peppers

20) Squeeze

21) Stevie Ray Vaughan

22) Jim Croce

23) The Guess Who

24) Foreigner

25) Guns N' Roses

Posted by garjen on Monday, 10.10.11 @ 16:23pm


Not to be rude garjen, but that's a horrible list. It would be one thing if someone liked Squeeze, Foreigner, The Guess Who, Styx, Heart, Journey and ELO better than The Cure since that's opinion, but are they objectively more deserving than Smith and the guys? Not even close. Heart are not the most deserving of the nominees, though there's a strong case to be made for their nomination.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 10.13.11 @ 19:39pm


Pete Townshend solo? 10 spots above Stevie Ray Vaughan? Seriously?

Anyway for discussion's sake here's my take on the list:

Rush (yeah sure, put 'em in)
Chicago (yeah)
Yes (Yes)
Deep Purple (Should've been in 1st ballot)
Doobie Brothers (A little borderline but probably deserving)
Moody Blues (Yes)
Dire Straits (Yes)
The Cars (*Nods head in approval*)
ELO (Ya)
Jethro Tull (obviously)
Pete Townshend solo (Can I a get wtf?)
Heart (Borderline but I'd be ok with it)
Journey (Nah, though I wouldn't complain)
Steve Miller (Do we really have to?)
Carole King (Already in as a Non-Performer)
Styx (Hell no)
Kiss (not a fan but I could see the reasoning behind this)
Peter Gabriel solo (sure)
RHCP (yeah)
Squeeze (Hell no)
SRV (Hell yes!)
Jim Croce (yeah, I'd put him in)
The Guess Who (Borderline, leaning no)
Foreigner (Probably not)
Guns N' Roses (yeah)

I can do a detailed GFW-analysis on each if people have issues with my one-liners and want more detailed info as to my reasoning (and yes these are just my opinions, no need to get upset if I just dumped on your beloved act)

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 04:40am


"(Can I a get wtf?)"

Ugh, so much for proofreading.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 04:44am


I'm pretty sure that BTO and REO Speedwagon were higher up on that list than Eric B. & Rakim and Happy Mondays.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 10.17.11 @ 04:31am


FWIW, my selections if I alone picked the acts:

The Spinners
Guns N' Roses
The Cure
Donna Summer
War

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 10.17.11 @ 08:30am


Rock Hall Monitors predicts the inductees for the other categories:

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2011/10/dont-forget-other-categories.html

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.23.11 @ 20:04pm


If Ll Cool J and Guns and Roses makes it in before Journey Im goona be sick! You people need a prescription os something! JORNEY is out selling your beloved KIss at this point! Not that Kiss doesn't deserve hall of fame status! The fact that Donna Summer is not in stumps me also! But Journey belongs there I do not care that the band hates each other Did they not put Blondie in and they didn't even perform together are you serious?? LL Cool J and GNR do not deserve an induction before a band of Journey or Styx's stature and if you think they do your HIGH! and you explaine why America is in such upheaval! Excuse me while I go weep for music in the United States!

Posted by Lena Caruso on Thursday, 11.3.11 @ 23:01pm


"JORNEY is out selling your beloved KIss at this point!"

Who's talking about Kiss? And if you're going to yell your beloved band's name at us by writing it in caps, you could have at least bothered spelling it right.

"LL Cool J and GNR do not deserve an induction before a band of Journey or Styx's stature"

Says who? (Also, Styx? Seriously? Of all the bands who could've picked...)

"and if you think they do your HIGH!"

I wish.

"and you explaine why America is in such upheaval! Excuse me while I go weep for music in the United States!"

Can you say melodramatic?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 11.4.11 @ 08:43am


That would be "you" not "who," excuse me for a minute

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 11.4.11 @ 08:45am


Clearly America is in such upheaval because GNR and LL Cool J were considered before Journey, nothing to do with the economy.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 11.4.11 @ 14:50pm


I quite like being high actually :)

Why bring up LL Cool J? He hasn't even been nominated this year. Of course it would be even more ridiculous to bring up the Beastie Boys and they're probably too ignorant to discuss Eric B. & Rakim.

Oh they've been reading that instead. Never mind.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 11.24.11 @ 05:50am


That Hall of Fame committee is insane. Janet Jackson needs to be inducted--yesterday. The woman has accomplished so much, set so many records, and influenced just about every young female pop artist you see in the industry today (and some of the males as well). Her songs are still being sampled and remade. She has won tons of industry awards (more Billboard awards than any artist in history, the only artist to be nominated in all major categories at the Grammys, etc.), and has a slew of iconic music videos that have influenced a whole generation of performers. Her albums are landmarks in the history of Pop and R&B. "Control" and "RN 1814" alone ushered in a whole era of sounds. SMH.

Posted by Mr. Music on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 08:42am


I certainly agree with you, Mr. Music. I thought this would the year that Janet Jackson at least made the ballot since it marks the 25 year anniversary of the Control album.

Maybe next year she'll get some recognition.

Posted by Mike on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 08:46am


I want next year to have the follwoiung who were not inclded this year

chic- not only am in a band with their sax players son, but they rock

THe monkees- did more as a TV band then some regular band,s na din the end wrote only hteir own music

Moody BLues- sohuld have made it in 10 years ago

jethro tull- same

Posted by Corey on Sunday, 12.4.11 @ 03:28am


It is so sad that Donna Summer was nominated 4 times and the RRHOF members couldn't recognize the importance of her work both in Disco and R&B. As Lax28 says, "I would say Summer popularized, along with Giorgio Moroder, the emerging electronic scene before any mainstream artist thought of such ideas." Now she is gone and was not given this honor she so deserving earned. RIP Donna Summer.

Posted by Kariann Hart on Saturday, 05.19.12 @ 02:53am



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