The 2010 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

The 2010 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were unintentionally announced on September 22nd (a website posted an article announcing the nominations and then quickly retracted it, but not before news aggregators indexed the information). Twelve nominees were named, but only the top five vote getters will be honored at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony next spring.

Cast your 2010 ballot here!

Here are your official 2010 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees (all quotes from the official press release):

  • ABBA | "They are one of the biggest-selling acts in pop-history – and if Stockholm is now a hit making mecca, it's because ABBA first put Sweden on rock's global map. The four members came together in enchanting, late-1960s post-Euro-hippie fashion – initialed for the two couples, Agnetha 'Anna' Fältskog and Björn Ulvaeus; and Benny Andersson and Anni-Frid 'Frida' Lyngstad. ABBA was a dominant music force throughout the 70's, and world¬wide licensing deals made Polar Music the second biggest corporation in Sweden. Bjorn and Benny's studio finesse over the course of ABBA's eight studio LPs drew wide praise from pure pop punks and New Wavers for whom ABBA became a guilty pleasure. They went their solo ways in 1982, but tribute albums and the boffo musical Mamma Mia are keeping ABBA on permanent display."
    Current Induction Chances: 41%

  • Darlene Love | "Her powerful gospel sound was developed singing in her father's church in East L.A. At 16, Darlene sang at a wedding where two of the bridesmaids asked her to join their vocal group, The Blossoms. They quickly established a major presence in the L.A. session scene doing backgrounds for artists such as Sam Cooke. Darlene caught the attention of young genius record producer Phil Spector and he made her one of the cornerstones of his "Wall of Sound" under various names (The Crystals, Bob B. Soxx & the Blue Jeans, and of course, Darlene Love). She sang lead on a string of hits, earning an important place on the landscape of 60's rock & roll. She continues to have a prolific singing career, having starred on Broadway, and in recent years has returned to her gospel roots."
    Current Induction Chances: 6%

  • Donna Summer | "Raised in the church, rooted in gospel, LaDonna Andrea Gaines would become Donna Summer, the undisputed "Queen of Disco." In 1975, "Love To Love You Baby" began a long-term association with Munich-based songwriters and producers Giorgio Moroder and Pete Bellotte. Summer made history from 1979-1980 as the only artist ever to have three consecutive multi disc albums all hit #1: Live and More, Bad Girls and On The Radio. Her first U.S. recorded LP, the self-titled Donna Summer, produced by Quincy Jones in 1982 featured Bruce Springsteen and other notable rock contributors. "She Works Hard For The Money" kept Summer at the top of the charts in 1983, followed by the top 10 hit "This Time I Know It’s Real" in 1989. Endless covers and sampling of her music proves that Summer’s contribution remains compelling and classic."
    Current Induction Chances: 55%

  • Genesis | "Almost no group in rock history has had such a long and varied career as Genesis, who began as a cult art-rock band in England in the late 1960's and went on to pack stadiums across the globe in the 1980's, 1990's and on their 2007 reunion tour. In the early 1970's frontman Peter Gabriel shocked audiences and grabbed headlines by taking the stages in outrageous costumes and occasionally even levitating about the audience. Their music was equally innovative, and early albums Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway are two of the most acclaimed prog-rock albums in the history of the genre. In 1975 Gabriel left the band to pursue a solo career and drummer Phil Collins stepped out from behind the kit to take over. The band experienced many more hits and successful worldwide tours over the next 30 years."
    Current Induction Chances: 40%

  • Jimmy Cliff | "Very few single albums can be said to have changed music forever. Jimmy Cliff's The Harder They Come is one. The album – and the movie that spawned it – introduced reggae to a worldwide audience and changed the image of the genre from cruise ship soundtrack to music of rebellion and inspiration. "Sitting in Limbo," "The Harder They Come," "You Can Get It If You Really Want," and "Many Rivers to Cross" made Jimmy Cliff the first international reggae superstar and created the model that Bob Marley would soon follow. A beautifully gifted singer and a uniquely influential songwriter, Jimmy Cliff has made a profound impact on rock and pop music all over the world for 40 years."
    Current Induction Chances: 39%

  • KISS | "Few bands short of The Beatles inspired more kids to pick up the guitar than KISS. With their signature make-up, explosive stage show and anthems like "Rock and Roll All Night" and "Detroit Rock City," they are the very personification of rock stars. Original members Ace Frehley, Peter Criss, Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons came together in New York in 1972. While their first two records didn't generate many sales, they quickly gained a national following for their bombastic, pyro-filled stage show. Their 1975 live disc Alive! captured that energy and reached number nine on the charts, quickly making them one of the most popular bands of the 1970's - scoring countless hit singles, sold-out tours and appearing everywhere from comic books to lunch boxes to their very own TV movie. They continue to perform sold out concerts around the world."
    Current Induction Chances: 40%

  • Laura Nyro | "Singer, songwriter and pianist Laura Nyro (1947-1997) was still a teenager in 1966 when she recorded her debut album, and Peter Paul and Mary cut "And When I Die." She was a true original - composing intricate, haunting songs which found a vast audience when recorded by other artists. Indeed, others scored hit after hit with her songs, led by the 5th Dimension's "Stoned Soul Picnic" and "Sweet Blindness" in 1968 (then "Wedding Bell Blues" in '69 and "Blowin' Away" in '70). Over two consecutive weeks in October 1969, Blood, Sweat & Tears entered the Hot 100 with "And When I Die," and Three Dog Night followed with "Eli's Coming." Elton John acclaimed her influence to Elvis Costello: "The soul, the passion, the out-and-out audacity of her rhythmic and melody changes was like nothing I'd ever heard before."
    Current Induction Chances: 31%

  • LL Cool J | "LL Cool J always had his sights set on rock & roll. Born James Todd Smith in Queens, New York, LL was only 17 in 1985 when he recorded "Rock the Bells," which included the following couplet: "Cause it ain't the glory days with Bruce Springsteen/I'm not a virgin so I know I'll make Madonna scream." A year earlier LL had made his debut on Def Jam, which was also the debut of the label itself. His first two singles – "I Need a Beat" followed by "I Want You" – sketched out the two main gears of his career: testosterone-maddened battle raps and tender, sexy love songs. The former included "I Can't Live Without My Radio" (1985), "Jack the Ripper" (1987), and "Mama Said Knock You Out" (1991). By the 1990s, LL was working in television and film and has proven that rappers can sustain a long-term career."
    Current Induction Chances: 45%

  • Red Hot Chili Peppers | "Formed in the sin-and-glamour capital of America – Hollywood, California – in 1983, the Red Hot Chili Peppers are one of the most flamboyant, commercially successful and musically influential bands of rock's last quarter century. They were high school pals who combined their passions for Jimi Hendrix, Seventies R&B and hardcore punk with sexual exuberance and local skateboard culture, immediately becoming famous for their outrageous (often near-naked) live shows and incendiary jamming. The Chili Peppers broke through with 1991's BloodSugarSexMagik, a multi-platinum fusion of metal and rap that was pivotal in bringing modern black street culture and music to the Nirvana generation. The band's 2006 two-CD set Stadium Arcadium went right to Number One and is their most ambitious collection to date."
    Current Induction Chances: 64%

  • The Chantels | "There may have been hits by female R&B vocal groups before them, but the Chantels were the first to achieve a consistent run of chart records, thus paving the way for The Shirelles, The Crystals, The Supremes and all the other "girl" groups that followed. Named for a rival Bronx, N.Y. high school, St. Francis de Chantelle, they were discovered by writer-producer and Valentines' lead singer Richard Barrett who brought them to George Goldner's End Records in 1957. The Chantels' distinctive, choir-like sound, with its classical and gospel overtones, featured the soaring lead of Arlene Smith, who also wrote much of the group's material including its signature song "Maybe," which has been covered many times over the years, most notably by Janis Joplin."
    Current Induction Chances: 10%

  • The Hollies | "Above all, it was the wide-open three-part vocal harmonies of original members Allan Clarke, Graham Nash, and Eric Haydock, inspired by the Everly Brothers, that gave the Hollies a sound apart from other British Invasion beat groups. Songwriter Graham Gouldman supplied them with "Look Through Any Window" and "Bus Stop." And the original writing talent of Clarke, Nash, and lead guitarist Tony Hicks took over on "Stop! Stop! Stop!" and "On a Carousel," as the Hollies went on to chart 21 consecutive Top 20 UK hits through 1970. After Nash's departure in 1968, new hits carried them into the mid-70's including "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother," "Long Cool Woman in a Black Dress," "Long Dark Road," "Magic Woman Touch," "The Air That I Breathe," and others."
    Current Induction Chances: 9%

  • The Stooges | "The "Big Bang" that became punk, alternative, heavy metal, new wave, grunge, hardcore and industrial music, could very well have been the advent of Iggy and the Stooges in Ann Arbor in the late 1960's. Confrontational, out of the mainstream and the complete antitheses of the hippie movement, the Stooges were adopted by those on the margins of rock. Their debut Elektra LP was produced in four days by the Velvet Undergound's John Cale and contained at least three landmarks: "I Wanna Be Your Dog," "No Fun" and "1969." Immediately embraced in New York, London and Los Angeles for the nuclear-powered simplicity of their music, the ironic nihilism of their lyrics, and the persona of Iggy himself, the Stooges have become icons in the history of modern music."
    Current Induction Chances: 58%

The "Current Induction Chances" represent the artist's odds of ever being inducted into the Hall of Fame, as calculated by Future Rock Legends and its users.


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Well, it is certainly a good start!

I had a bit of a feeling it would come down this way. What I mean to say is, I had figured that at some point Genesis would be considered legitimately eligible for consideration once the RRHOF could not only consider the band itself, but also in a rather simultaneous fashion the entirety of the works of Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, and Mike Rutherford in one instance. Oh, I forget, Phil Collins on his own as well, though I do not beleive Collins' solo output fairs well. I am rather genuinely suprised that Gabriel, Hackett, Banks, and Rutherford are now one step closer to being inducted, for which I am certain they will be for the Class of 2010. It also means it is now one step closer for these guys, whom except for Collins are now 59 years old (Phil is 58), to finally reunite for one last time. For myself, I would love to see them do "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" one final time, and film it for posterity.

By the by, it has started to become a trend of sorts that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will induct acts after a given time when not only their collective works are considered, but so too are their individual works. That is to say, these acts are inducted not only 25 or so years after their first group album; it is also 25 or so years after their important figures record their first individual albums. For instance, when Traffic was inducted in the Class of 2004, it effectively was an induction for Steve Winwood's entire output. It did come one year after Winwwod was named a finalist on his own. I suppose Traffic was picked for the induction moniker of Steve Winwood so as to include individually and collectively Jim Gordon, David Hood, and Roger Hawkins; along with to lend an equal opportunity of recognition for Jim Capaldi, Dave Mason, and Chris Wood. In the Class of 2006, the Sex Pistols were inducted. It was not so much the band in and of itself, yet rather the moniker led forth the process to include both collectively and individually John Lydon, Sid Vicious, Steve Jones, and Paul Cook for their entire works. What that means for those artists is, since further inductions of continuance for, say, Steve Winwood or John Lydon, one their own has not materialized; then they have already been inducted for their entire works and recordings all under the headings of their noted group monikers.

As for the other four inductees for the Class of 2010: I beleive Donna Summer will be inducted. The Stooges will also be inducted, using again the similar path to induct Iggy Pop, James Williamson, and Scott Asheton individually and collectively. The Hollies will also be inducted; and for that, I am also anticipating Tony Hicks, Terry Sylvester, and Bernie Calvert to reunite with Graham Nash one more time. And for my left-field pick, I will go with Jimmy Cliff. One of the better soul-reggae artists of his era, for which others should soon follow.

So, there are 2 out of 5 I initially picked for induction that will now be inducted, I infer. Somewhat dissapointing. Yet, the waiting is ending for Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, and Mike Rutherford to finally be inducted. It will be under the Genesis moniker, yet will also include everything these fellows have done or will do. I mentioned nearly one year ago of a special process of inducting these five (including Phil Collins), and in the way it is being played out, this induction process has finally occured.

Happy the poster:),

Lax26

Posted by Lax26 on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 01:38am


Those first two paragraphs are so full of shit

Posted by Greg on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 05:47am


http://www.rockhall.com/blog/?p=165

People have started commenting on the Rock Hall blog.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 06:38am


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/preyear.php?induction_year=2010

The page is set for the 2010 inductees and their presenters.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 06:54am



http://www.billboard.com/#/news/kiss-genesis-chili-peppers-among-nominees-1004014961.story

Here's the Billboard page.

There is way too much star power and way too many oldies acts on the nominees list this year, and because of that, I guarantee the following to be inducted in 2010:

KISS
Genesis
The Hollies
The Stooges
Red Hot Chili Peppers

This opens the door for Yes, Deep Purple, Chicago, Alice Cooper and Neil Diamond for 2011.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 09:31am


Genesis
Current Induction Chances: 62%

Hey, what's the big idea, your system is inconsistent, how does Genesis now go up from a 40% chance on their respective page to 62% here overnight just because they get nominated?

KISS
Current Induction Chances: 59%

Same goes for Kiss, also up from 40%!

Donna Summer
Current Induction Chances: 71%

Up from 56%.

The Hollies
Current Induction Chances: 44%

Up from 9%.

ABBA
Current Induction Chances: 56%

Up from 41%.

Laura Nyro
Current Induction Chances: 49%

Up from 30%.

The Stooges
Current Induction Chances: 70%

Up from 58%.

Darlene Love
Current Induction Chances: 29%

Up from 6%.

The Chantels
Current Induction Chances: 26%

Up from 8%.

Jimmy Cliff
Current Induction Chances: 48%

Up from 39%.

Red Hot Chili Peppers
Current Induction Chances: 75%

Up from 65%.

LL Cool J
Current Induction Chances: 49%

Up from 44%.

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 09:32am


Roy wrote:

"This opens the door for Yes, Deep Purple, Chicago, Alice Cooper and Neil Diamond for 2011."

Hey Roy,

Do ya think it also opens the door for Electric Light Orchestra?

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 09:42am


Rick, our mistake. It's been corrected.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 09:47am


No Stevie Ray? :(

Glad to see the RRHOF is looking into progressive rock again. If they can get Genesis in, they should start inducting Rush, Yes, and ELO among others.

I'm wondering whether Metallica's induction had anything to do with Kiss' nomination. Perhaps the RRHOF is now able to respect metal. Bring on Def Leppard!

Also good to see ABBA and The Stooges back. Perhaps Mama Mia helped a little with ABBA's nomination. At least they got nominated instead of the nearly-useless Chic.

I suppose everyone correctly predicted The Hollies. I was hoping for the Zombies.

Posted by Lucario on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 09:53am


GENESIS is the only nominee on the list that I would be very disappointed about if they are not inducted in 2010!

I don't see ELO being inducted anytime soon. Maybe 2012.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 10:13am


http://www.rockhall.com/pressroom/nominees-for-2010-induction/

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation Announces Nominees for 2010 Induction

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 10:30am


What exactly is the case AGAINST the Stooges? Could someone please enlighten me here?

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 10:45am


My Prediction

KISS
Genesis
The Hollies
The Stooges
Red Hot Chili Peppers

But who I really want inducted...

KISS
ABBA
Genesis
Laura Nyro
The Hollies

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 11:00am


The Hollies will definitely go in. After that, there are no certainties because let's not forget: the voters have a history of rejecting newer rap and metal acts. In theory (and based on previous patterns), the older rock & roll acts have the advantage. A good bet is ABBA, same with Laura Nyro. After that, it's a toss up between RHCP, Kiss, LL Cool J, The Stooges and Genesis.

Posted by Bradley on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 11:08am


" I guarantee the following to be inducted in 2010:

KISS
Genesis
The Hollies
The Stooges
Red Hot Chili Peppers" - Roy

Guarantee is a big word, I hope your right though (at least in terms of Genesis, The Hollies and The Stooges)

Posted by Keebord on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 11:24am


OK here's my take on things:

Darlene Love: I'm almost certain that it won't happen

Donna Summer: Seeing as she's nominated with ABBA, I'm inclined to pick ABBA over her

Genesis: Should be locks, but Pink Floyd didn't get in on their first nomination and we'll see how the Hall's traditional bias against prog rock plays out this time

Jimmy Cliff: It's likely but I can't see it happening, at least not yet

KISS: They're either going in now or we'll see another Black Sabbath story (meaning they'll go in after several nominations)

Laura Nyro: Can't see her getting in based on the competition although I'd say her chances of getting in as a non-performer are better than getting in as a performer

LL Cool J: Can't see him getting in this year, both him and RHCP are newly eligible and and the Hall are definitely picking RHCP over Mr. J

RHCP: Locks

The Chantels: If they're getting in, it's as early influence

The Hollies: Very likely

The Stooges: Up against some tough competition, I'd like to say yes, but I don't know. With Ron Asheton's death however, they might have better chances

ABBA: Doubt it, but it's going to be them over Donna Summer

Therefore, I'm going to say

Performers:

RHCP
Genesis
The Hollies
The Stooges
KISS

Early Influence:

The Chantels

Non-Performer:

Laura Nyro

Posted by Milestones on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 11:34am


I'll take the minority stand on this one, but if Bob Marley and the Wailers are in the Hall, then there is absolutely NO reason why Jimmy Cliff is not there yet. Cliff was making great reggae music before anyone outside of Jamaica had any idea who Bob Marley was.

Posted by Rob on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 11:44am


Artists that deserve most to be in due to longetivity, influence, pioneering, sales etc

Donna Summer
Genesis
ABBA
Hollies
The Chantels

but the ones probs going to be inducted due to anti-disco, anti-women, anti-pop, anti-everything other than white male guitar-orientated artists:

RHCP
Genesis
Hollies
Stooges
KISS (LOL!)

it's a mad mad mad world...

Posted by Rory on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 13:01pm


Wish they had an edit feature here, so scratch my old list, I made changes as follows...

Which five would I like to be inducted?

Genesis
The Hollies
Donna Summer
ABBA
Laura Nyro

Which five would the R&RHoF voters induct?

Kiss
LL Cool J
Darlene Love
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Stooges

Early Influence

The Chantels
Jimmy Cliff

Non-Performer

David Geffen
Laura Nyro

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 13:29pm


It doesn't work that way Rick. Cliff, Nyro and the Chantels were nominated as performers.

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 13:47pm


Darn, I did it again,really wish they had an edit feature here, so scratch my old list, changes are as follows...

Which five would I like to be inducted?

Genesis
The Hollies
Donna Summer
ABBA
Laura Nyro

Which five would the R&RHoF voters induct?

Genesis
Kiss
LL Cool J
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Stooges

Early Influence

The Chantels
Jimmy Cliff

Non-Performer

David Geffen
Laura Nyro

Side-Men

Darlene Love

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 14:11pm


Chalkie wrote:

"It doesn't work that way Rick. Cliff, Nyro and the Chantels were nominated as performers."

And so was Wanda Jackson last year and Carole King in 1989, yet both were inducted in the Early Influence and Non-Performer categories respectively, these guys make their own rules as they go!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 14:22pm


Out of my 12 predictions, I only got 3 right. I fail. lol!

But overall I like the ballot very much.

For one, no Chic, which is nice for a change. KISS and Genesis are long overdue for nomination, so I'm ecstatic to see them on the ballot. Although I feel Deep Purple should be in the HOF before KISS, but on the grander scale of pop culture, KISS are bigger stars than Deep Purple, so I guess I can see where they'll be in first.

And I didn't know LL Cool J. was up eligible for nomination. I thought he had a couple of more years left. If I had known he was eligible, I would've considered putting him on my list of predictions over the Beastie Boys.

I'm glad to see ABBA back on the ballot and would love to see them inducted.

RHCP I was surprised about. I thought for sure SRV would get the nod over them, like they made Metallica wait a year. But now they're nominated, I think they're a lock for induction.

The Stooges should be on the ballot every year until they're inducted. They're up against some really tough competition here though. Way tougher than last year's. Unfortunately, I could see them being overlooked again, unless the Hall decides to put them in anyway by some stipulation or something.

It's about time that Jimmy Cliff got nominated. The Hall has long been in need of some other reggae artists besides Bob Marley. And Jimmy Cliff is probably about as big as it gets when it comes to reggae music and it's relation/influence on rock music.

The Hollies are your token "oldie/classic rock" act. Of course there are bands that are far more deserving I think (The Zombies, the Monkees, the Moody Blues, etc.), but they were one of my predictions.

I'm surprised that Donna got the nod over Janet and Whitney. I missed the boat on that one. But with superstars like KISS, RHCP, LL Cool J., and Genesis on the ballot, the Hall maybe felt that they had too many superstars on the ballot.

Laura Nyro fits the whole "obscure" singer-songwriter nominees, that Leonard Cohen was for 2008. This was a nice surprise. If she got the nod, I could see Nick Drake appearing on the ballot in the future. And Tom Waits of course.

And the Chantels and Darlene Love are interesting choices for your "oldies" artists. Although I wonder why they chose Darlene Love, and not The Crystals? With the Crystals, you can induct Darlene Love in addition to the other members. I thought that was kind of an odd choice.

And I think there's plenty of other artists from the late '50s and early '60s that deserve induction more, such as Dick Dale, Link Wray, the Crystals, The 5 Royales, Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio, etc.

That's my comments on the ballot. I'll follow that with who I would vote for, and then with who I think will ultimately get inducted.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 14:43pm


I did the vote/poll here on the site, and here was who I voted for.....

Abba
Genesis
KISS
The Stooges
Donna Summer

I didn't vote for those 5 based off of them being my 5 favorite artists on the ballot, because they're not. I like LL Cool J. more than Donna Summer, and I like RHCP more than everyone else on the ballot except for KISS.

But I voted for the Stooges, because I feel they are the most deserving artist/band that is not yet in the HOF, for their influence and impact on rock music. To me, they are the band that pretty much kick-started punk rock and were also one of the earlierst "alternative" rock bands. They should've been in the HOF before the Ramones, the Clash, and the Sex Pistols in my view. And they are ridiculously long overdue.

KISS and Genesis are long overdue, and while I can think of some Prog bands that should be in before Genesis (the Moody Blues, Yes, Jethro Tull, etc.), I'm just lucky that one Prog band is even on the ballot, and so I voted for them. Same deal with KISS. I'm stunned that both bands are even on the ballot, so of course the one time they are, I'd vote for them.

So why would I vote for Abba and Donna Summer over RHCP and LL Cool J.? Simply because I feel RHCP and LL can wait. They are big enough names, that they'll be nominated again in the future. ABBA hasn't been nominated since 2003 I believe, and so I'd vote for them, because they might not appear on the ballot again in the future. I also feel that beings Abba was around long before LL and RHCP, that they should go in first.

My fifth vote was down to either Donna Summer or Jimmy Cliff. I feel that the HOF should have more reggae artists in the Hall, and Jimmy fits the bill perfectly. But in comparing the two artists, I think Donna is a bigger star, had more hits, and is probably more well known and thus perhaps a bit more influential (particularly on future female artists, and dance and electronica music as a whole). So I chose her.

The Hollies, I just don't feel are that deserving of induction. I wouldn't have a problem with them being in the HOF, but there are artists on the ballot that, to me, have meant much more to the overall evolution and history of rock music (which is what induction into the HOF is supposed to be based on). The Chantels and Darlene Love to me are minor compared to the other artists on the ballot. If Dick Dale or Link Wray, on the other hand, had been on the ballot I would've considered voting for them.

Laura Nyro, I admit I'm not too big on, and I think she's just a bit too obscure to be in the HOF. But I know she has many admirers.

RHCP and LL Cool J., again, can wait.


So while those are my personal selections, here is who I am predicting will get inducted.....

The Chantels
The Hollies
Donna Summer
The Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Stooges or LL Cool J. (I'm leaning towards the Stooges, but I wouldn't be surprised one bit if they get snubbed for LL)


Thanks for reading!

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 14:44pm


Well alright, but either way Jimmy Cliff is not an early influence, he should be in the performer category.

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 15:28pm


WORST CASE SCENARIO

Laura Nyro
Darlene Love
The Chantels
The Hollies
Jimmy Cliff

Posted by RAKER on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 15:30pm


My vote:

- Laura Nyro
- KISS
- The Hollies
- Donna Summer
- Genesis


Laura Nyro may not have been a successful singer-songwriter in terms of hits of her own, but her influence on others is expansive. Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Stevie Wonder, Alice Cooper, Todd Rundgren, and Elton John have all claimed to have inspired by Laura. Her songs were hits for others, but that doesn't make her original versions any less important. Plus, I think her death may play an impact on if she gets inducted. Personally, I don't think she gets the recognition that she deserves and I think she deserves to be inducted more than any other nominees this year.

LAURA NYRO '10 - ROCK HALL!

Posted by MotownConnoisseur30 on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 15:46pm


Hardly, here's my worst case scenario:

Donna Summer
Darlene Love
The Chantels
LL Cool J
KISS

Posted by Milestones on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 15:49pm


Sorry but the Peppers shouldn't have it so easy getting in. There are so many others that should go before them.

Posted by TJ on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 18:41pm


Got 5 right.... I called Donna Summer, Chantels, Red Hot Chili Peppers (and those three were my last three additions!), Stooges, and Hollies. I'll post my predictions when I've thought about it some.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 18:56pm


CLASS OF 2010

The Hollies
The Chantels
Donna Summer
Red Hot Chili Peppers
LL Cool J

2011 NOMINEES

Chubby Checker
The Stooges
The Zombies
Laura Nyro
Kool & the Gang
Bobby Vinton
ABBA
The Monkees
Def Leppard
Stevie Ray Vaughan

Posted by Lucario on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 20:05pm


Hey! This is a fun list! There is a little something for everyone here.

Posted by Matt. on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 21:15pm


Still no Ringo!?

Posted by Vilos Cohaagen on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 21:50pm


My Predictions:

Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Cure
Roxy Music
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Tom Waits

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 00:25am


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Qualification Ratings

KISS - 7 - Solid Choice
Genesis - 7 - Solid Choice
Donna Summer - 7 - Solid Choice
Jimmy Cliff - 6 - Strong Case To Be Made
The Stooges - 6 - Strong Case To Be Made
The Hollies - 5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short
The Chantels - 5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short
Darlene Love - 50 Unlikely Candidates

No Pages or Ratings for the Following Prior to Nomination

Laura Nyro
ABBA
Red Hot Chili Peppers
LL COOL J

KISS

They get a lot of scorn by critics and non-fans not inclined to take seriously a group dressed up freakishly with a bassist known as much for the length of his tongue and his sexual conquests as anything else, but KISS were absolutely huge in their day, retain a surprisingly large following still, and were among the most over the top in a decade known for its decadence. Going by strict credentials KISS certainly did enough to get in but ironically will need to overcome the image they worked so hard crafting in order to do so.

Qualifications: 7

Genesis

A group with two distinct stylistic eras, symbolized by two future solo star lead singers, Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins, the latter of whom scored hits on his own while still fronting the group simultaneously. But solo careers aside, the credentials of Genesis are strong on their own. Their progressive 70's work gives them appeal to that constituency, while a solid run of mainstream hits from the mid-80's to early 90's keep their familiarity high elsewhere, making them a perfect compromise candidate for prog-shy voters.

Qualifications: 7

Donna Summer

The undisputed Queen Of Disco has only one nomination thus far, showing how little respect the style itself gets from the Hall Of Fame. Her credentials are uniformly solid, including being among the most successful solo artists in rock history, but the critical, or even mass public acceptance of disco as a whole remains shakey, aside from the occasionally goofy retro-hipness. Her popularity and absolute dominance over an entire major style of rock though should be more than enough to assure her of eventual enshrinement.

Qualifications: 7

Jimmy Cliff

Reggae has only one artist representing the entire style in the Hall, something that shows the voters lack of recognition for something that is bigger outside the US than within it. Cliff was one of the first superstars from Jamaica, dating back to the ska era of the mid-60's, and he later brought reggae some of its most visible notoriety when he starred in the classic film, "The Harder They Come". Very highly respected by musicians and an enduring name for four decades now.

Qualifications: 6

The Stooges

Early punk rock icons led by the notorious Iggy Pop seemed like a better bet for induction than the short lived and tempestuous Sex Pistols, but it was the bigger name Pistols who got the nod first in 2006 leaving the Stooges on the outside looking in. But the door for controversial punk rockers everywhere has been pushed open a little further and their chances should only increase now. One of the more respected groups among rockers who came of age then, the guess here is they'll get in eventually.

Qualifications: 6

The Chantels

The Hall of Fame is always in need of females to acknowledge, which can be hard in a male dominated style of music such as a rock 'n' roll, so here's one that helped kick off the girl group era way back in 1958, who have a respected lead singer in Arlene Smith, and two enduring songs, including the all-time classic "Maybe". They've gotten a nomination already so they're definitely on somebody's radar.

Qualifications: 5

The Hollies

One of many British groups of the 60's taken for granted in subsequent years and of whom Graham Nash has already been honored by the Hall as a member of Crosby, Stills & Nash, making the Hollies chance for induction even slimmer. Still, they were a consistant presence during the latter half of the decade and into the 70's even without Nash. Too laid back without the critical acclaim accompanying it to be considered a serious contender however.

Qualifications: 5

Darlene Love

One of the most worshiped female voices in rock had the misfortune of being used anonymously on many of her key recordings, including substituting for the unavailable Crystals on "He's A Rebel", being the uncredited focal point of the inanely named Bob B. Soxx & The Blue Jeans, as well as being the leader of The Blossoms, the most in demand back up vocal group in rock for years. Her overall role in the music of the 60's, however unknown it may have been at the time, was vital and is now fully recognized by most and has gotten her a nomination already.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 03:27am


First off this is a very interesting ballot, and very tough. There are A LOT of different ways that this cycle could go. I posted earlier that I thought Beastie Boys, Janet Jackson, Stooges, Chic, and Hollies. would get in. Obviously not going to happen. So it is my opinion that these five will get in


RHCP
LL Cool J
Diana Ross
KISS
Hollies

Posted by Bobby on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 05:17am


Still no Ringo!?

Posted by Vilos Cohaagen on Wednesday, 09.23.09 @ 21:50pm

And it will stay that way.

Posted by Chalkie on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 05:23am


My hopes for induction:

ABBA
Jimmy Cliff
RHCP
Hollies
Kiss

My Predictions of who will make it:

Darlene Love
The Stooges
LL Cool J
RHCP
Genesis (that's for Lax26)

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 08:07am


Unfortunately most will be disappointed with these Picks:

1. Jimmy Cliff
2. The Stooges
3. Darlene Love
4. Red Hot Chili Peppers
5. The Hollies

Donna Summer, Genesis, & Kiss fans will continue to be pissed off.

I'm really interested to know if any sideman or influences will be included....(Don Kirshner, Wolfman Jack, for example)

Posted by Jason on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 09:16am


Predictions for 2010:

Genesis
The Hollies
KISS
Darlene Love
Donna Summer

My personal preferences for 2010:

ABBA
Jimmy Cliff
KISS
The Stooges
Donna Summer

Can't see LL Cool J or the Red Hot Chili Peppers as first ballot inductees, no matter how deserving they might be (and I think both acts deserve induction at some point).

Posted by Ian on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 09:52am


What does it tell you when Metallica was the number one vote getter on Future Rock Hall last year, but the Red Hot Chili Peppers are not the number one vote getter--Genesis is!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 09:57am


My 7 that go to Cleveland are:

Red Hot Chili Peppers & LL Cool J, the first year nods
KISS
ABBA
Genesis
Donna Summer
Laura Nyro (Songwriter)

Posted by Rick Pultz on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 11:04am


Bobby,

It was not Diana Ross that was nominated, but DONNA SUMMER.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 12:10pm


I'll just say:

Red Hot Chili Peppers
Kiss
ABBA
Donna Summer
Genesis (it's about time!)

Posted by anon on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 18:01pm


What does it tell you when Metallica was the number one vote getter on Future Rock Hall last year, but the Red Hot Chili Peppers are not the number one vote getter--Genesis is!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 09:57am
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It tells me that this page has only been posted for people to vote on for several days so far. It's way to early yet - this thing hasn't even been on there a full week yet. Lots more people will cast votes than the amount so far.

It's way too early to tell how many votes on this site will be cast - and for whom.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 18:34pm


I know I already ran through this, but for posterity I'll reprint my 5:

Genesis
Kiss
The Hollies
The Stooges
Red Hot Chili Peppers

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 18:38pm


You know, there is an odd artist out in these finalists: Darlene Love. Why in all heck is Darlene Love considered meritable for beong a finalist? She certainly did not advance her fields in any way, shape, or form. This is regardless of her fine Christmas-based hits, vocal brevity, and acting gigs. It shows a lack of comprehension on the part of the Nominating Committee in how they view potential inductees. What is next I may ask, Iron Butterfly?

Say one thing thing about the Chantels; while individually not all that great, together they were superb. I am not certain when an induction for the Chantels will take place: yet once it does, I will be pleased with the results.

Now then, some of you fellow posters are wondering if by finally putting Genesis and by extension the total output of Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, tony Banks, and Mike Rutherford as finalists and posssible eventual inductees, if this will cease my postings on these issues. The answer is no! Were Genesis to be inducted for the RRHOF Class of 2010, as I infer they will be, I will continue to advocate for Gabriel, Hackett, Banks, and Rutherford to be inducted on their own accord. This will be done to insure that all important branches of the Genesis tree are fully acknowledged, not just implicitly acknowledged in an induction of Genesis at the least 25 years after the first individual record put out by Mike Rutherford (Smallcreep's Day in 1980.) Getting back to the Steve Winwood/Traffic induction, one other reason for inducting Winwood under the Traffic moniker was due to the knowledge that Winwood's Traffic years were, in all fairness, his best years recording, writing, and touring. With the leading four creative leaders of Genesis, their individual careers were just as great, if not exceedingly better, than under the Genesis moniker. This is especially the case regarding Peter Gabriel, whom since he left the band in full in 1975, has done more on his own than with Genesis; and, he has had more commercial and artistic success on his own.

I continue to infer that the Performers Category inductees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2010 will be Genesis (Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford), Donna Summer, The Hollies (Graham Nash, Tony Hicks, Terry Sylvester, Bernie Calvert), Jimmy Cliff, and The Stooges (Iggy Pop, James Williamson, Scott Asheton.) This is not to say, however, that they will be inducted. And it is not just the idea that Darlene Love might get in, or even if the Chantals are surprise inductees. For instance, The Red Hot Chili Peppers are possibly already planning for an induction this induction cycle, as are their fans. ABBA certainly has enough worldwide clout and intrigue to merit an induction for this time. Laura Nyro should have been inducted before she passed away in 1997; thus, an induction with the acceptance of survivivng family members would be welcoming in all regards. Kiss, which means at least Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley, are gearing up for a likely induction. As well, the Kiss Army and Kiss Army Reserves will not, I repeat not, tolerate a snub, regardless of what Dave Marsh thinks of them. In that case, Kiss may very well be inducted to appease Gene and Paul and the massive Kiss fans, some of whom still carefully wear the makeup. And LL Cool J is genuinely pleased and excited and greatful of being a finalist. His recent interview with Rolling Stone magazine shows his words far better than I could. So I am thinking that the man born James Todd Smith may very well be inducted, due to his output, likability, and some form of genuine interest in this induction process. By the way, they are all quite good and well deserving of induction.

It might turn out, though I hope it does not, that Genesis might get snubbed for the Class of 2010. As I said, I infer and hope this does not occur. Yet, you never do know what the Dave Marsh wing of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation will do in regards to inducting Genesis, individually and collectively. After all, it was probably this wing that thought that Darlene Love was a legitimate finalist, wherein her recorded output is not that great. Should a snub occur for Genesis, then it is going to be necessary to continue the push for inducting all important branches of the Genesis tree, and that includes and starts with Peter Gabriel. Again, I hope that these guys are not snubbed. But honestly, I do not know if they are to be inducted for the Class of 2010, at least without pushing the inductees list to perhaps 7.

Chess is an underatted musical and semi-ABBA album,

Lax26

Posted by lax26 on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 18:43pm


The moment no one has been waiting for, my breakdown of the ballot:

My first thought at looking at this ballot... they've loaded up on women this year. Five strong female presences. Usually it's a token female or something like that, but they've really stepped it up.

In the order I think they'll make it:

KISS

In their favor: One of the most influential bands not in yet, quite possibly the most so on this ballot. Whether you love or hate them, they're a band that has a huge following, and is responsible for a LOT of young boys picking up the guitar. Regarded as one of the most overdue inductions. A solid guitar-band with serious name recognition.
Against them: Dave Marsh hates them, and his little circle of voters will probably work to keep them out. Also, not a very innovative band, musically speaking. From a technical perspective, not among the most stand out.
In the end: It took Black Sabbath eight nominations to get in, and this is only KISS's first. Nonetheless, I feel it's the only one they'll need. My odds for them: 80%

the Red Hot Chili Peppers

In their favor: The only act on here that might be more influential to rock'n'roll music than KISS. Maybe. Major force in the 90s, big in both the mainstream and underground circles. Also, with Flea giving the speech for Metallica last year, they're in some good graces with the muckity-mucks.
Against them: Too soon? They didn't break through the mainstream scene until the '90s, so that may play in.
In the end: They're one of two newly eligibles on this year's list, and I think they're a solid pick. My odds for them: 75%

Genesis

In their favor: Prog. There has been a BIG push to get more prog acts in the Hall. Also, the proving ground for Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel. Considered somewhat innovative.
Against them: They gave us Phil Collins. Also, Genesis doesn't top anyone's list for the prog act they'd most like to see inducted. That spot is usually reserved for either Rush, Yes, or Deep Purple. And once Collins took over, their prog-ness nosedived (nosedove?) a bit, too.
In the end: There's actually a prog act on the ballot. This may not happen again for another ten years or more. Get them in while you can. My odds for them: 66.67%

the Hollies

In their favor: A widely beloved band of the British Invasion of the '60s. And there's usually a lot of love for Oldies acts, and there's only a couple that neatly fit in that box, the Hollies most noticeably so. David Crosby has spoken out in favor of them as well, and I think most want to see Graham Nash get his second induction, this one maybe more deservedly so.
Against them: There are a couple other Oldies acts on here. Also, they're a group of White men. Diversity in the list of inductees may cause them to be overlooked.
In the end: The love for the oldies acts, especially ones that played straightforward rock'n'roll is still a pretty big factor, and I believe it'll put them in. My odds for them: 55%

At this point.... it REALLY becomes a crapshoot. So, taking a leap from the Lion's head, I'll continue....

Darlene Love

In her favor: To those in the industry, VERY respected and loved. Phil Spector's main lady for his work of the early 60s. A powerful voice. And for the diversity crowd, a Black woman, which knocks out two birds with one stone. Love for the oldies may factor in a second time.
Against her: She doesn't have the name recognition that others on here have. Plus, not the only Black woman, or oldies act. Plus, the whole argument that on those recordings, Phil Spector is the true artist.... the argument he used to keep the Ronettes off the ballot until 2005.
The Wanda Jackson factor: For those who don't know, Wanda Jackson was on the list of nominees for the 2009 ballot, but didn't get enough votes to be inducted as a Performer. So, the sub-committee that chooses Early Influences decided to induct her as an Early Influence. This opens up new and scary possibilities of workaround, cheat inductions that will come into play twice more on this ballot. In Darlene Love's case, because she was a main backup lady for Phil Spector, they may choose to induct her as a Side-Man if she doesn't get enough votes for the Performer category this year.
In the end: It really is a crapshoot at this point. I've changed my mind several times after originally choosing my top three. But, I'm going to try and walk on the water here, and say she won't need the Side-Man subcommittee to induct her this year. My odds for her induction: 53% My odds for her induction in the Performer category: 50%

Donna Summer

In her favor: She has a nickname: Queen of Disco. Always a plus factor. Again, diversity notes a Black woman, which would keep it from becoming a mulletfest. Also, possibly the foremost solo artist on this year's ballot in terms of name recognition.
Against her: Like prog, disco isn't heavily represented in the Hall. Unlike prog, though, disco has appeared several times on the ballot in the past, most notably with the five nominations of Chic. But the only disco acts in the Hall are the BeeGees and Earth, Wind, And Fire.
In the end: Darlene's my fifth pick and Donna my sixth because of the Oldies-love. Other than that, Donna would be my fifth pick. Such as it is, Donna's my pick for the Upset Special this year. My odds for her: 49%

Laura Nyro

In her favor: Well-respected singer/songwriter. She's in the realm of the artistic (second syllable pronounced "TEE") singer/songwriters also inhabited by James Taylor and Leonard Cohen. Written a lot of well-loved classic oldies. Absolutely GORGEOUS voice to boot.
Against her: Not quite as much name recognition as James Taylor or Leonard Cohen by the general public. Also, her songs are well-loved classic oldies... just not HER renditions. Her songs have become famous when later covered by acts like the Fifth Dimension, Three Dog Night, and Blood, Sweat, And Tears.
The Wanda Jackson factor: Because it's taken other acts to make her songs famous, you could make a really great sell for her to the subcommittee that chooses Non-Performer inductees. It's similar, though with some very obvious differences, to the story of Carole King's induction as a Non-Performer.
In the end: It's sad that she passed away in 1997. I would love to have heard her sing at her own induction. If she does get in, I just hope they don't have Dionne Warwick sing the tribute to her. My odds for her induction: 50% My odds for her induction in the Performer category: 45%

LL Cool J

In his favor: Well-known, well-respected rapper, and pioneer in the format. You can very clearly see, in his tracks, the bridge he provided between the rap of the early to mid-80s to rap as we know it today. Also, the only rap act on the ballot, so the ballot is not split in a way that would hurt him.
Against him: Despite two rap acts already being inducted, there's still a sentiment of "This is the ROCK'N'ROLL Hall Of Fame; rap does not belong." And those who have no problem with *some* rap acts getting in are stunned that the Beastie Boys aren't the rap act this year. Or Afrika Bambaataa. Or even the Sugarhill Gang. Also, didn't break through the mainstream arena of Pop until the late 80s/early 90s. Will it come into play?
In the end: Since rap artists have become eligible for the Hall, there's been a push to have at least one rap act on the ballot every year. There's less urgency to get him in now, especially ahead of the Beastie Boys. My odds for him: 40%

the Chantels

In their favor: Well-loved girl group. Also doo-wop. There's a soft spot for doo-wop in the Hall. Like Donna, Darlene, and ABBA, this is also the Chantels' second nomination, and odds usually improve with multiple nominations. Beautiful voices and harmonies, too.
Against them: Best known for softer love songs. Also, two stronger female presences on the ballot, and one stronger and one slightly stronger Oldies presence on the ballot.
The Wanda Jackson factor: Because they were a 50's group, and considered the first R&B girl group that got the formula right (though they weren't the first R&B girl group in rock'n'roll history), they may be another workaround, cheat induction, and once again in the Early Influence category. This is a much harder sell than Wanda Jackson, but Wanda Jackson looked pretty farfetched when they announced her as the Early Influence inductee last year. For the record, I have nothing against Wanda Jackson. Her music is awesome. But her induction in the Early Influence category is a major eyebrow-raiser for a few good reasons.
In the end: I love the Chantels, but being the earliest debuting act on this year's ballot isn't going to be enough for them, in my opinion. Just not enough strength. My odds for their induction: 40% My odds for their induction in the Performer category: 37.5%

Jimmy Cliff

In his favor: A true original. Unique marriage of soul, gospel, and reggae in his music. Unique voice too. Really, the only soul representative on this year's ballot, which worked for Bobby Womack last year.
Against him: Once Bob Marley is in, do you want/need another reggae representative? If so, why not Peter Tosh instead? Additionally, being the only soul representative hasn't helped Joe Tex get in, so that balances out somewhat. Also, may just simply get lost in the shuffle amidst the other acts. Someone you'd like to see in, but there'll probably usually be five acts more deserving on any given ballot to keep him out. In my opinion, the flaw lies within their selection process.
In the end: I am predicting he'll be lost in the shuffle. But keep an eye out. Even though I've got him ranked 10th most likely, he's still an interesting one to watch. If you want to know if Peter Tosh has a chance, let's see what happens with Jimmy Cliff first. My odds for him: 35%

ABBA

In their favor: Many hit songs that are memorable, and fun, and just well-loved. Also, a repeat nominees. Add to that, Mamma Mia! has catapulted their catalog back into the limelight, so there's a lot of positive hype going for them as well. A timely induction into the Hall as icing on the cake?
Against them: Again, still a strong "Disco sucks" sentiment, at least so it seems. Also, their brand of disco was bright and cheerful; not moody, funky, and conducive to grinding into a partner on the dance floor thus helping you hook up that night, which is the path that modern dance music has seriously taken, despite the fun pop-electronica that briefly surfaced in the mid-90s. Also, they're the reason we got Roxette and Ace Of Base... not highly respected followers.
In the end: With twelve nominees, the ballot-splitting factor is important, and with Donna on board as well, ABBA does not stand a strong chance. My odds for them: 25%

the Stooges

In their favor: Highly influential and innovative. Respected by past nominees. In fact, past inductees have been doing most of the pushing for them. Also, this is nomination number eight for them. Only one artist, Solomon Burke, has needed more nominations than that to get in. Five others got in on number eight. So, it appears that eight is indeed enough most of the time.
Against them: Just about everyone who pays attention to this thought the Stooges were a lock last year... and they missed. Upon further analysis, I've discovered that with the exception of their first nomination, every time they've lost, there has been a guitar-band with much more name recognition than them on the ballot that got in over them. See again, my top three choices to make it.
In the end: With KISS, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Genesis on the ballot, the Stooges are just going to get shafted again. If you want them in, make sure they're the ONLY guitar-heavy rock band on the ballot. My odds for their induction: 20%

My past track record: in 2007, I went 5/5. 2008, 4/5; and 2009, 3/5. The trend shows I could be 2/5 this year. And with twelve nominees, it's mathematically possible for me to be 0/5 this year. And with this ballot, it's a distinct possibility.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 19:07pm


I don't argue with your ratings, Philip. ABBA is likely a long shot for induction because I don't believe the majority of HOF voters have any real appreciation of the band's global significance or their pure pop artistry. But the North American notion that ABBA was a disco act has become a bit threadbare. Not only did they start recording together long before the disco era (1971), but of their catalogue of some 130 songs no more than a handful are anywhere close to being dance or disco numbers.

Posted by Scott on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 19:52pm


"Against them: They gave us Phil Collins."-Philip

Philip, it's only your opinion that Phili Collins made bad music. Maybe it would be better to say "I don't like Phil Collins".

"That spot is usually reserved for either Rush, Yes, or Deep Purple."- Philip

For the most part only Purple's early material counts as prog(Rod Evans, Nick Simper era). Mark 2 was a pioneering hard rock/heavy metal band.

Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 20:03pm


Loved reading your analysis Philip, but I'll have to disagree with a good portion of it. I don't think KISS has as high a chance as you give them. Them, RHCP, Genesis, and LL are probably the biggest names on the ballot, but I just don't see 4 of the 5 inductees being all Rock acts. KISS and Genesis both have their detractors, and while many people would like to see them both in, there are plenty of others that don't want them in, especially KISS. They very well could suffer from a split of the voters, which could prevent them from making the top 5, Genesis and KISS, I'm talking about.

RHCP and the Hollies, on the other hand I think have a pretty good shot of making it. Most of the current inductees of the Hall of Fame are artists from the '60s and '70s who were peers of the Hollies and respect them and are probably friends with Graham Nash who would like to see him get a 2nd induction. To me, the Hollies are probably the biggest shoe-in for this very reason. While RHCP are quite new, they're also a highly respected band that hasn't really "burned any bridges" with anyone, and thus probably won't be shut out. Plus, the HOF I'm sure would like to have an inductee that's still a current act, like Madonna and John Mellencamp were in 2008, and Metallica was last year. RHCP fits the bill here.

So I think RHCP and the Hollies have better chances of being inducted than KISS and Genesis. But I hope I'm wrong, because I'd much rather KISS and Genesis get in. I think of the two, Genesis probably has a better shot than KISS.

Darlene Love and Donna Summer is a pretty close matchup, as I think at least one of the two will make it. I can see your "side-men" argument for Darlene which would be absolutely ridiculous if it happens. I could somewhat see Laura Nyro as a "non-performer" and even the Chantels as an "Early Influence." But Darlene Love as a "side-men" would be a real insult to her career, and I'm not even really a fan of hers or anything. If I was her and I got the "Side-Men" induction, I'd consider not showing up at all and saying screw the HOF, like the Sex Pistols did. That'd be a sham and a half.

I really don't like the whole "Wanda Jackson" factor, that drives me nuts having artists inducted in categories that they simply shouldn't be in. Put them in the "Performers" category where they belong.

An "oldies act" usually always ends up being inducted though, so I could see the Chantels making it. If not as an actual inductee, but then under the "Early Influences" which I hope doesn't happen. Having artists from the late '50s and early '60s under the "Early Influences" category would pretty much contradict the first 10 years of the HOF.

I agree with you in that ABBA and Jimmy Cliff don't have much of a chance. Your logic makes complete sense on the Stooges as well. But I don't know. Maybe the voters will feel sorry enough for them beings they've been nominated so many times to finally vote for them lol. I could honestly see the HOF perhaps putting the Stooges in anyway by some technicality even if they don't get voted in. I'm not sure how, but maybe they'll change the rules again and make it 6 inductees instead of 5, just to include the Stooges. I wouldn't be opposed to this actually. I think after 8 times of being nominated, an artists should be inducted automatically.

Anyways, I enjoyed your analysis, and I'm looking forward to January when we all find out what's going to happen.

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 20:48pm


Wanda Jackson is the first and the last artist you will ever see get nominated in the performers category and then get inducted in the Early Influence category. She was a special case because of her ties to Elvis Presley. Bruce Springsteen and Elvis Costello made the case for her. Springsteen and his wife were in her video biography at the ceremony. Her first recording was in 1954. Don't expect another Wanda Jackson scenario to happen ever again. Remember, there were three Elvis people inducted this year: Wanda Jackson, Bill Black and DJ Fontana. The Chantels didn't record anything prior to 1955 and they have no relation to Elvis. The committee does not have a hard-on for them. No one in the performers category qualifies as an early influence. So forget about it. It's never going to happen again!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 03:25am


According to RollingStone.com the 2010 Rock Hall ceremony returns to New York's Waldorf Astoria Hotel on March 15, 2010. I just hope the ceremony is not being covered by FUSE. VH1 Classic does a much better job. In the press room where the inductees get photographed, they use the Rock Hall trophy as the background and fewer colors. The FUSE Rock Hall pressroom was too dark, with the black and red colors they used, which included no trophy and the Fuse name and logo.

Posted by QAZ on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 06:47am


Fuse will be handling the 2010 Ceremony. They signed a three year contract last year.
http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog_files/Fuse_to_air_Rock_Hall_Ceremony.html

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 08:33am


To me I think the inductees will be:
ABBA
Donna Summer
Genesis
KISS
the Stooges

To me, the 1960s are a piss stain now. They have been so overexposed that I can't stand it anymore. To me, the nominating committee works like Stalin. If they don't like an artist,just because they don't have a "60s thing" (I'm pointing my finger at you Little Stven Van Zandt), then they want their museum to purge geners like disco, prog, singer-songwriter, 70s pop and 80s pop like they never happended. That's just sinful (they are rock 'n' roll commies). The Rock Hall needs to concentrate more on the 1970s so we can get bands like T. Rex, Rush, ELO, ELP, Yes, Styx, Heart, Thin Lizzy, Teddy Pendergrass, REO Speedwagon, Barry White, Rick James, Bad Company, Cat Stevens, Carly Simon, Bette Middler, The Cars, Todd Rundgern, Kool & The Gang, KC & The Sunshine Band, Stevie Nicks, Motely Crue, The Go-Gos, Journey, Joe Crocker, Neil Diamond, The Carpenters, Chicago, Pat Benatar, Ted Nugent, Motorhead, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Cheap Trick, Tom Waits, and Ringo Starr and Lou Reed. Yeah that should do it. Gotta make this hall more historical. Rock can't choose its history.

Posted by g on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 09:19am


Also I forgot: Chaka Kahn, Tina Turner's solo career, Janet Jackson, Foreignor, Jim Croce, King Crimson.

Posted by g on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 09:22am


I'm feelig you G. They need to stick a fork in those 60's acts. Time to move on !!! The 60's are done.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 10:42am


Damn !!! I misspelled 'Feeling'.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 10:44am


I guess next year's show is going to be on a 30 minute delay just like this year's show was on FUSE. VH1 always aired the show completely live. Maybe the background setting in the press room has nothing to do with the networks, but the location. I guess the people at Waldorf are more classy. I guess maybe we will see the background with the multiple Rock Hall statues. I wouldn't want Genesis standing in the pressroom in front of a black banner with a FUSE logo on it.

Posted by QAZ on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 10:46am


Thanks for the agreement Joe-Seek. I alson think Kansas, Meat Loaf, and Stevie Ray Vaughn ought to be in along with Alice Cooper, Deep Purple, and Supertramp.

Posted by g on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 11:00am


Once again the Rock and Roll Hall of Shame put's out a nice safe list.olks included,

When are we going ot see some more of the Punk Rock Folks get the nood.

Here is a list of group that shoul dbe in the Hall of Shame,

Misfits,Bad Brains,Minor Threat,DOA, Husker Du, The Damn,XRay Spexs,Buzzcocks,Fear, then how about Toots and the Maytells way before Jimmy Cliff if it wasn't for Toots and King Buster then there would be no Ska/Two Tone

Posted by Rob on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 16:00pm


My 5 from this year's nominees

ABBA
Hollies
KISS
Genesis
Stooges

But probably

Donna Summer
Jimmy Cliff
RHCP

Posted by danny on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 17:19pm


Scott-- sorry. I don't consider ABBA to be that much of disco either. That's just how they're remembered.

Dude Man-- I wasn't just going by my personal opinion. Phil Collins' solo work just isn't as critically revered as his work with Genesis. Especially once we get into the 90s when he went seriously softer, towards the AC market. It may reflect badly on Genesis, though I'm not banking on it.

Roy-- ties to Elvis or not, Wanda shouldn't have been inducted as an Early Influence. She had one, count it ONE, song in '54, and that was a DUET! She didn't really strike out on her own until '56. It was a travesty and a work-around to put her in as an Early Influence. I sure hope it never happens again, and it never should have happened in the first place with her.

Donnie-- Appreciate your analysis too. I agree, Darlene really deserves it more as a Performer. What I also didn't mention was that so far, no one's been inducted as a Side-Man for being a backup singer. So, we'll see how that transpires. But really, everyone but ABBA and the Stooges were in my Top 5 picks at one point or another. I just went back and forth and back and forth on this one. Much tougher to make the calls with 12 nominees. But the reason I don't have the rock acts splitting the ballot against each other (except for screwing over the Stooges) is based on the Classes of 2003, which saw AC/DC, the Clash, and the Police all get in together; and of 2007 wherein Black Sabbath, the Sex Pistols, and Lynyrd Skynyrd got in together. If the guitar lineup is strong enough, they'll vote them in together, minus the Stooges.

As for Genesis, I think the fact they're prog will get them in. The voters are starved for prog, so they'll take prog when they're given and get them proggin' inducted.

But your critiques are perfectly valid. That's what makes these discussions awesome. By all means, let's keep talkin'!

Posted by Philip on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 19:05pm


Yep, Phil Collins was so terrible that he had an album featured on Classic Albums.

Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 19:13pm


Dude... again, I'm speaking in general.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 19:23pm


Philip, hate to break it to you but Earth, Wind & Fire were not, I repeat not, a disco band. Yes, "Boogie Wonderland" is their nod to disco, but outside of that they were a straight up R&B band.

Posted by Tom Lane on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 21:07pm


I think that Genesis are the shoe in this year.

The Hall is trying to pushed for more prog acts to get in which will help open the doors for acts like Yes, Rush, and Moody Blues to get inducted.

Plus, once the hall inducted Genesis, then it will open the door for Peter Gabriel's solo effects to make it in. Peter Gabriel was innovated and influential in early MTV years with his groundbreaking videos.

I would say the joining Genesis will be:

ABBA
The Hollies
The Stooges
Kiss

No Red Hot Chili Peppers because they will probably be overlooked once and considered for 2011 with Peter Gabriel and Stevie Ray Vaughn.

Kiss should make it, but in the past, we have seen the hall make mistakes....which means that The Chantels could knock off both Chili Peppers and Kiss

The Stooges, I think will finally get in which will concluded the major Punk/CBGB acts in the hall.....Ramones, Talking Heads, The Clash, The Police, Elvis Costello, The Pretenders, Sex Pistols, Blondie, Patti Smith.

After the Stooges get in.....then the hall will focus more on Alternative acts like The Cure, Replacements, The Smiths and Sonic Youth.....also on New Wave acts like Devo, B 52's, The Cars, Depeche Mode, Eurythmics, and Duran Duran

ABBA will make it in before Donna Summer because ABBA is a more successful global act than Summers.

The Hollies, this will conclude the CSN & Y history....Graham Nash will be inducted twice alongside with Crosby, Stills, and Young.....Plus, I hear that they are pioneers to Arena/Stadium Rock which should help pave the wave for acts like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Dire Straits, and Journey

Posted by Kyle on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 21:14pm


Tom... I would call "September", and "Shining Star" pretty disco as well. They were more R&B, but if you were stretching for a second act in the Hall disco, it'd probably be EW&F

Posted by Philip on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 21:34pm


Kyle, if the Stooges get in, I think it'd reinvigorate the push for the MC5 before they move on to Sonic Youth, Replacements, etc.

I'd also like to see them get Bad Religion in, too, but that's pretty unlikely.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 21:35pm


Oh yeah, and the New York Dolls

Posted by Philip on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 21:43pm


Once again, those aren't disco songs. There's a difference between a"dance" and a "disco" song, even among R&B groups. You can dance to "Brick House", but that song is not disco, either. Yes, you can dance to "September" and "Shining Star", but they are not representative of the disco genre, and don't have anything to do with the disco sound that was happening around them. We could go back and forth. Let me say this, if voters at the time voted for them thinking they were disco, then they were ignorant. But I wouldn't be surprised if many thought they were.

Posted by Tom Lane on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 21:48pm


For the most part, when I talk about dance music from the '70s, disco is what I call it, right or wrong. I find it pointless and frustrating to differentiate between the two when it comes to discussing it with other people. But you're right, not all dance is disco... just when you discuss it with others, disco is basically what it was called until Madonna came along and basically converted into dance (again, more generalities).

Posted by Philip on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 22:30pm


Disco is cheesy dance music like "Disco Duck" by Rick Dees and His Original Cast Of Idiots or "YMCA" by the Village People. EWF at least had some class.

Posted by Arrow Man on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 22:37pm


If they want to emphasize those who influenced rock, they should induct the following:

Louis Prima- main influence during the swing revival
ABBA- main influence during the disco revival
Big Mama Thornton- influence for Elvis and Janis Joplin
Devo- a major influence during the 80s revival

Posted by Lucario on Friday, 09.25.09 @ 23:23pm


"Disco is cheesy dance music like "Disco Duck" by Rick Dees and His Original Cast Of Idiots or "YMCA" by the Village People. EWF at least had some class."--Arrow Man

As demonstrated... discussing the differences is often a frustrating and pointless endeavor.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 09.26.09 @ 00:15am


Disco has its flaws, admittedly. However, for every Rick Dees, there is often a Donna Summer to set things right. For every Village People, there is a Chic to refine and define the style.

Kyle's predictions might be correct, yet I do not think it will occur that way. For one thing, Donna Summer has continued to make interesting and influential recordings and songs well into today. ABBA, on the other hand, broke up in 1982, and unless we are willing to count "Chess" in with the canon, nothing of significance worldwide has been heard from them since.

Also, the Red Hot Chili Peppers are currently one of the more consistent and durable acts in their field today. With the overwhelming fanbase being positioned, they might get inducted for the Class of 2010. Now, I have inferred that it would not be for this time out, yet I have been proven wrong before. This might be one of those cases.

One other thing: Genesis, and by implied extension Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, and Mike Rutherford should be the shoo-ins for the RRHOF Class of 2010. Yet, the Nominating Committee has thrown us all a significant curveball in their 12 finalists, including one artist that I know does not fit with the others. And yet, that one artist, Darlene Love, might very well be inducted. I do not like saying this; but, while I infer Genesis will be inducted, it is only an inference. It could very well turn out to not occur this time out. Realistically, I could see the five inductees be Donna Summer, Iggy Pop/The Stooges, LL Cool J, Kiss, and The Red Hot Chili Peppers: based on acceptances and appreciation from some of the artists being finalists, massive fanbases, and frankly the idea of somewhat Americanizing the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. That is how I see it.

So again, Genesis/Gabriel/Hackett/Banks/Rutherford should be inducted, and would be locks in a given year. With this year's finalists, now I am not so sure.

They will be inducted eventually,

Lax26

Posted by Lax26 on Saturday, 09.26.09 @ 06:13am


Let me get this straight. There will be 5 inductees, but if any of the other 7 nominees get more than 50% of the vote, they automatically get inducted? Is that right? So we could have 6 inductees?

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09.26.09 @ 07:36am


Roy, with 12 nominees, I believe it's mathematically impossible for more than 5 to get more than 50% of the vote, if the voters may only choose up to five. However, with 12 nominees, and voters only allowed to pick 5 maximum, it's entirely possible that NO act will receive even 50% of the vote. It's going to be the top five vote-getters, period.

Lax, an induction for Genesis will be just that: an induction for Genesis. It will not be an induction for the solo efforts of Gabriel, Collins, Banks, Hackett (or even GTR), and Rutherford (or even Mike + The Mechanics). It will only recognize the group efforts. Period.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 09.26.09 @ 10:24am


Philip, it is mathematically possible to have more than 5 get more the 50% each.

Example:
Voter 1: RHCP, KISS, Genesis, ABBA, Hollies
Voter 2: RHCP, KISS, Stooges, Donna, Hollies
Voter 3: Genesis, ABBA, Donna, Stooges, Hollies

Results: RHCP, KISS, Genesis, ABBA, Stooges, Donna Summer would all get 67% plus the Hollies at 100%.

This is a bit of an extreme example, but it's definitely possible.

Only the top 5 vote getters will be inducted, regardless of what percentage voted for them.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Saturday, 09.26.09 @ 11:09am


ok. I stand corrected on my math.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 09.26.09 @ 11:15am


By the way, the reverse is true as well: It's possible that no artist receives 50% of the vote. That's why the Hall of Fame effectively dropped the 50% requirement when they started predetermining how many artists will be inducted each year.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Saturday, 09.26.09 @ 11:31am


Well, at least I was half right. Do I get partial credit, teacher? lol

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 09.26.09 @ 13:25pm


So again, Genesis/Gabriel/Hackett/Banks/Rutherford should be inducted, and would be locks in a given year. With this year's finalists, now I am not so sure.

They will be inducted eventually,

Lax26

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Why do people always leave out Phil Collins! Even during their Prog Rock days he was their drumer and he even sang a song or two. Even if you don't like what he did to the band after Peter Gabriel left, that doesn't mean to should discredit what he did when he played with Gabriel

Also I would agree with g that it is time to leave the 60's alone (& the 50's for that matter). IMO there are still a few bands from that era that need to get in (Love, MC5, etc.), yet other then that almost any act from the 60's that should get in, is already in. Yet I would have to disagree with the point that they need more acts from the 70's. I feel that they need more acts from the 80's With the Red Hot Chili Peppers possibly getting in this year as the first big 90's band, I find it scary that they may pass over many big bands from the 80's.

80's Acts That Need To Be Looked At:
Peter Gabriel
The Cars
The Cure
Dire Straits
Joy Division
X
The B-52’s
Def Leppard
Iron Maiden
Sugarhill Gang
Depeche Mode
The Replacements
Motley Cure
The Beastie Boys
Afrika Bambaataa
Janet Jackson
Sonic Youth
Violent Femmes
Cyndi Lauper
Pantera
Slayer
The Smiths
Stevie Ray Vaughn & Double Trouble

At least next year their are no sure fire fist time nominees, so that means that you should be able to get a couple on that list in.

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 09.26.09 @ 14:09pm


I feel that they need more acts from the 80's With the Red Hot Chili Peppers possibly getting in this year as the first big 90's band, I find it scary that they may pass over many big bands from the 80's.

80's Acts That Need To Be Looked At:
Peter Gabriel
The Cars
The Cure
Dire Straits
Joy Division
X
The B-52’s
Def Leppard
Iron Maiden
Sugarhill Gang
Depeche Mode
The Replacements
Motley Cure
The Beastie Boys
Afrika Bambaataa
Janet Jackson
Sonic Youth
Violent Femmes
Cyndi Lauper
Pantera
Slayer
The Smiths
Stevie Ray Vaughn & Double Trouble

At least next year their are no sure fire fist time nominees, so that means that you should be able to get a couple on that list in.

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 09.26.09 @ 14:09pm
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Nice compendium. Mind if I toss something into the mix?

I've already mentioned on more than one occasion that one of the unspoken reasons they whipped up this museum was the realization they were losing control of rock to the 80's kids (Gen X was on it's way). Most of those folks hated 80's metal; hence, no Motley Crue, Def Lep, Iron Maiden, etc. You can probably write them off.

Afrika Bambaataa/Sugarhill Gang may get in, but don't expect it right off. They are moving forward hip-hop wise, & may have hit all the early targets they wish to.

The majority of the others you list are for the MOST PART, new wave. Hard to say what they think about them.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 09.26.09 @ 17:57pm


this will be a boring year for the rrhof and thats all i have to say

Posted by miquel on Saturday, 09.26.09 @ 20:12pm


reading thru the blogs i noticed one band consistently left out here as well as the HOF. The Moody Blues. they should have been in the RRHOF long ago. this oversight needs to be corrected ASAP. their music along with that of YES were the building blocks of stoner music then. i got to see many great groups in my younger days but the Moody Blues was one i regretfully never got the chance to see.

Posted by Grizz on Sunday, 09.27.09 @ 07:50am


For those of you making predictions, with 12 nominees to choose from this year, there are now 792 different combinations of five inductees (up from 192 when there were 9 nominees last year). So if you were selecting randomly, you would have just a 0.13% chance of getting all five correct.

Good luck!

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Sunday, 09.27.09 @ 09:54am


Let's see...LL Cool J, Darlene Love, and RHCP's are finalists, and so many great (and influential, and innovative...) rockers from the past are once again, left out!!! This "nominating committee" is a complete conundrum and a farce. It's turned into either a popularity contest or a "let's see what faction of society's ass we can kiss next" event. An absolute and complete travesty...!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 09.27.09 @ 10:59am


I can't believe so few people are predicting The Hollies will go in. Let's not forget, these are the same dinosaurs that put Percy in before Lynyrd Skynrd; The Ronettes before The Stooges; The Ventures before The Beastie Boys; and Bobby Womack before The Stooges.

The lesson? The voters always reject newer bands in favour of putting in older R&B, folk or rock & roll groups. As such, The Hollies have to be the supreme favourite this year.

That is, unless the voters have changed their patterns, which I doubt.

Posted by Riley on Sunday, 09.27.09 @ 14:12pm


Gitar - We gonna go through the whole "Band A should get in before Band B" scenario again? Not sure about LL, but the Chili Peppers are just fine as a first ballot pick. I'll admit to not being so sure about Darlene Love, but if they want her in I won't complain.

We've all done loops around this site regarding who gets in before whom, & frankly it's getting pretty boring.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 09.27.09 @ 15:32pm


So...exactly how are the RHCP so innovative and influential? Did I miss something here? I can't imagine anything they've done that hasn't been done before (and in a lot of cases better).

It's one thing to perpetuate what someone else has done and taken it a step further...or actually do it better. In the case of the Chili Peppers, what would that be...Funk? Uh...no. Rap...don't think so. I'm genuinely not getting it! I haven't heard anything astounding from them (don't get me wrong, I think Frusciante and Flea are exceptional musicians...which helps if your band is labeled "great", I suppose)

As for Darlene Love, is she being nominated for being a great "back-up singer"? Her solo career was nothing, and I don't see the Blossoms mentioned anywhere.

And LL Cool J...whatever!!!

Since I've been around a while (through no fault of my own), I've seen artists who have been around 40-50 years who've left fingerprints significant enough to be discussed with some reverance today who are NOT inducted. With the RHCP, you would have me believe that since they're the "first significant 90's group" (which means "what"???) to be nominated that it stands to reason they get in on the first ballot...which is B.S.

I think the "committee" is running on "pretzel logic"...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 09.27.09 @ 18:39pm


Gitar - you ask what's so innovative & influential about RHCP - then you say they haven't done anything that hasn't been done better before...

and even as you make those statements, may I remind you that you have repeatedly supported SRV, for whom the same argument can be made quite easily in regards to the blues.

as for the notion of being the first significant group of the 90's (to which you say "which means what???"), it means they are the 1st significant group from a decade that, in less than 90 days, will turn 20 yrs old. As I've said before, would you quibble about the induction time over the artist themselves? If you know the artist is great, why whine & complain about the necessary time? You knew Zeppelin was going in, but they had to wait their turn. By the same token, an act like the Stooges were still waiting then, and they had a chance to be on the ballot at the same time as Zeppelin. Why do you not complain about Zeppelin in this regard? Zeppelin belongs in... & the Chili Peppers belong in.

Other folks can feel "reverence" for groups as well - so sorry to have had the misfortune to be born after you.

Please pardon me while I share the Earth with you for a little while.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 09.27.09 @ 20:33pm


SRV took playing the blues to a whole different place (IMO). It's also my opinion that the RHCPs haven't taken anything to another level...that's my point. Artists who came before them DID. If it makes you feel any better, I have my reservations about the Stooges, too. I was an active musician back in the day, and at least in my part of the world (which would include Dallas/Ft. Worth & Denver) they didn't make all that much noise. All I'm saying is that other artists were (and still are to some degree) who are NOT inducted.

Since when did you start sharing the Earth with me...did I miss something AGAIN...ROFL!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 09.28.09 @ 06:32am


"SRV took playing the blues to a whole different place (IMO)." It's also my opinion that the RHCP's haven't taken anything to another level... that's my point" - Gitar

The key words here are "In My Opinion".

You CAN say the same thing about the Chili's. How many acts in the mid-late 80's were merging funk w/hard rock? Jane's Addiction - check. Beastie Boys? - on occasion, though hip-hop was more their forte. Unless you're willing to count a synth-act like Level 42 or an act like Fine Young Cannibals (even then this is iffy) there aren't many. Perhaps Anthrax, but that was more in tune w/the Beasties & hip-hop.

The Chili's did help to revive funk at a time when rap was taking over African-American music, and European-Americans were moving away to synthesizers and dance stuff, or else doing metal. There is innovation & influence there, especially of the kind you are always projecting w/SRV. Both are the same in many ways.

Only reason Chili's are getting in and SRV isn't is cause the committee has been buried under the Clapton's & Hendrix's of the past - they see nothing special in a revivalist. Chili's, on the other hand, come off to them as novel - when they think funk, they're thinking Sly/Funkadelic etc. Chili's are harder sounding than that.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 09.28.09 @ 07:59am


I've already mentioned on more than one occasion that one of the unspoken reasons they whipped up this museum was the realization they were losing control of rock to the 80's kids (Gen X was on it's way). Most of those folks hated 80's metal; hence, no Motley Crue, Def Lep, Iron Maiden, etc. You can probably write them off.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 09.26.09 @ 17:57pm

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I would totally agree with you on this point right now, but I feel like this will change in the future. The make up of the people running the hall will change and I would be shocked if there was not at least a few people that were fans of 80's Metal or at least saw the influence/importance of it. Also its not like it has been totally ignored because you have Metallica and Van Halen in.

I just hope the Hall takes a stronger look at the 80's, especally the underground music. This is the basis of the 90's music that almost all critics love and not giving them their due would be wrong. To me the big sign will be the Pixies. If the Pixies don't get in before Nirvana, their is something wrong. Yet with similar bands like Sonic Youth and The Smiths not yet in, I won't hold my breath.

That all being said I am really happy with the nominees for this year. You have two artists that are eligible in thier first year. I like the idea of having at least two newly eligible artist get nominated each year as it keeps things fresh. Yet at the same time I like how they went and nominated KISS and Genesis to offset having two newly eligible artists. Also there is a greater diversity of genre with Punk, Hard Rock, Hip-Hop, Progressive, R&B, and Funk Rock all being represented. This nominating class will provide the voters many diverse options and choices when voting.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 09.28.09 @ 11:55am


I would totally agree with you on this point right now, but I feel like this will change in the future. The make up of the people running the hall will change and I would be shocked if there was not at least a few people that were fans of 80's Metal or at least saw the influence/importance of it. Also its not like it has been totally ignored because you have Metallica and Van Halen in.

I just hope the Hall takes a stronger look at the 80's, especally the underground music. This is the basis of the 90's music that almost all critics love and not giving them their due would be wrong. To me the big sign will be the Pixies. If the Pixies don't get in before Nirvana, their is something wrong. Yet with similar bands like Sonic Youth and The Smiths not yet in, I won't hold my breath.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 09.28.09 @ 11:55am
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2 Predictions on this:

1. By 2015 the voting board will have changed enough that, at the barest minimum, Def Lep, Bon Jovi, & perhaps - PERHAPS - either Priest and/or Maiden will be in (Motley should be there as well, but I'm not so sure on it)

2. By 2020, the Smiths, Sonic Youth, Pixies, Replacements, and Husker Du will be in. I have no issue w/Nirvana getting in before the Pixies. I don't necessarily freak if Artist A beats Artist B to the punch. Recognition is the thing here, I imagine. They will get in though. The Seattle/Lollapalooza/Britpop wave will see to it.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 09.28.09 @ 16:59pm


It's just a popularity contest: whether or not anyone "deserves" to be in is irrelevant.

Posted by JB on Monday, 09.28.09 @ 14:58pm
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SO, SO correct.

The most intelligent writing on this whole site.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 09.28.09 @ 17:10pm


1. I would agree with claim almost 100%. I would say that Iron Maiden has a better chance then Judas Preist. They seem to be more respected by the Hall of Fame / Rolling Stone crowd. Agree on Motley Crue, they really have no chance. Even though I think they should. I fell they are the best representation of the Glam Metal era of the 80's. I know the people that control the Hall hate this era in music, but I feel that every important musical genre or movement that took place.

2. Also agree on this claim. I should alter my point a bit on the Pixies. I just feel when you have a direct line that connects two very importnat bands in the development of popular-rock music (like Pixies-Nirvana) the one that came about first should get in first. Yet that's just my opinion

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 09.28.09 @ 17:22pm


Well, if you listen to something like "Maggot Brain" by Funkadelic (an album that, IMO, is REQUIRED funk listening), you'd hear something that's funky, but as hard edged rock as I can imagine (Eddie Hazel was a monster, Hendrix influenced guitarist). Parliament/Funkadelic was pretty multi faceted...and definitely headed in a direction that I had hoped "funk" would keep going. RHCP's did keep that sort of hard edged funk going, and I'm certain were heavily influenced by them.

I know I had fun covering it "back in the day"...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 09.28.09 @ 18:19pm


Here's a cut called "Super Stupid" off of "Maggot Brain"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVHrvx-Ua68&feature=related

I think if you listen to Parliament/Funkadelic enough, you'll find that they did influence a lot of artists, and there'll be no doubt how they got inducted into the HoF...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 09.28.09 @ 18:26pm


I hope that alternative/indie rock gets noticed in the near future. What should come beforehand are the noted artists of the art rock/progressive movements that started the planting of the seeds that made alternative/indie rock what it is.

And yet, here is what baffles me. There are 12 finalists. One of them is clearly not deserving, and that would be Darlene Love. One is a group that had merits but lacked individuality, and that would be the Chantels. That leaves us with 10 finalists that in both collectivity and individuality should be inducted; I would put all of them in for the Class of 2010. However, there can only be five.

Of those 10, the one act that is most deserving, in my inference, is Genesis. This may extend to Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, and Mike Rutherford on their own accords. We have already gone over their merits a number of times.

Now, they should be inducted, and I infer that they will be. How the voters will take this, or even if the voters will take this, is another matter altogether. We are already aware that many of the voters prefer, erroneously, an exclusivity in inducting all things pre-British Invasion: and yes, that includes The Hollies as a British Invasion act. These voters will do everything in their influences to induct the Chantels (okay, yet nothing special) and Darlene Love (no reason for a legitimate induction) for the RRHOF Class of 2010. Geez; i can think of many other pre-British Invasion artists far more deserving. Link Wray, though posthumous, comes to mind. Mary Wells, also posthumous, comes easily to mind as well. Amd here is someone not mentioned often: Freddy Canon. The prototype of all harder and rowdier rock artists, yet he is not inducted.

As I said, I have no problem with The Chantels. I might be quizzical about the legitimacy if Darlene Love or other such minor acts are to be inducted. In any case, 5 of the remaining 10 will deservedly be inducted. Which of these 10 is anyone's guess. We do know that Donna Summer is a lock. LL Cool J, due to an increase in publicity and starring in "NCIS: Los Angeles" may be a lock. Kiss, unless Dave Marsh has his way, could turn out to be locks in large part thanks to their Kiss Army fanbase. Jimmy Cliff could possibly be a lock, in light of recent remarks and recognition. Iggy Pop/The Stooges, mainly due to their impactful roles in recent gaming software, and to memorialize Ron Asheton fittingly, may very well be locks this time out.

So that is 5 right there. I could also see the Red Hot Chili Peppers go in right off the bat, which would not surprise me one bit. The Hollies could very well be inducted, though it would depend upon Graham Nash's availability and perhaps Tony Hicks willing to meet with past Hollies that Hicks felt stiffed at. Laura Nyro might not be on the path immediate path to induction, largely to her being dead. Yet, it would be a welcome surprise. ABBA could go in, which would certainly boost sales and recognition. Finally, Genesis as I mentioned before, should be virtual locks. However, as much as I and others are in the beleif and inference that it will occur and a reunion of the classic Gabriel/Hackett/Banks/Rutherford/Collins era will be forthcoming; given the ways the Class of 2010 might be named, to say nothing of the curveball given to us with the Darlene Love selection, art/prog might be put aside this time out. I hope not. It has been a long wait to see these guys get inducted, at the very least as a band. As well, at least one-fifth of the Genesis tree induction process would be complete (Phil Collins on his own could sod off.) Plus, you would have less of my postings advocating their inductions, by at least a fifth.

So, an induction for Genesis, collectivlely and implied individually, is an inferred lock for induction. Notice how I have mentioned it being inferred, not yet a certainty. Call it what you will, yet I maintain that if Peter Gabriel was a finalist explicitly for all works and accomplishemnts in his own name, an induction would be imminent. Rest assured, he will be inducted. I am not too certain if it will be with Genesis or on his own, but it will occur.

Tony Banks is better than Keith Emerson,

Lax26

Posted by Lax26 on Monday, 09.28.09 @ 19:45pm


One more theory on the hows and whys of the nomination and induction (and yes, a decidedly cynical one) criteria: a) would the singer/group appear (or the group reunite) for the induction ceremony, and b) would anyone pay big bucks to see it happen? Obviously, Laura Nyro is not coming back, nor are the original Stooges, and Donna Summer (among others in this group) wouldn't attract much of a crowd--she currently plays the casino circuit, to not-really-sellout audiences. On the other hand, ABBA and Kiss (with the four original members)...

Posted by Joe on Monday, 09.28.09 @ 22:47pm


Will there be more than one Non-Performer Inductee this year? I really hope it's not just David Geffen!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.29.09 @ 06:55am


By the way Earth, Wind and Fire were not disco. They were soul/funk and yes Boogie Wonderland and Let's Groove does have a disco feel to it. But it's still not disco, get your facts correct.
As for this year well I'm surprise a few people made the list and a few didn't. My pick are as followed: Non-performer David Geffen, Performers Genesis, Laura Nyro, The Hollies, Donna Summer and The Red Hot Chillie Peppers. Early Influence Don't know yet.

Posted by kirby franko on Tuesday, 09.29.09 @ 18:00pm


Let's look at it this way...the Stones and Rod Stewart (among others) had songs with a "disco feel" during that era. Does anyone homestly think it was a "coincidence"?

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 09.29.09 @ 18:57pm


First Year Eligible:

The Chantels - 1983
Darlene Love - 1988
The Hollies - 1989 - Will be inducted because they got Graham Nash.
Jimmy Cliff - 1992
Laura Nyro - 1992
Genesis - 1993 - Will be inducted. You all know why!
The Stooges - 1994
ABBA - 1998
KISS - 1999
Donna Summer - 1999

LL Cool J - 2009 - NO! Afrika Bambaataa, Beastie Boys scenario!
Red Hot Chili Peppers - 2009 - YES, but I wish NO!

THE SCENARIOS

If The Stooges, ABBA and KISS are not inducted:

Genesis
Laura Nyro
Darlene Love
The Hollies
The Red Hot Chili Peppers

If The Stooges and The Red Hot Chili Peppers are not inducted:

Genesis
The Hollies
KISS
ABBA
Donna Summer

IF the Rock Hall wants a BIG BANG show:

KISS
Genesis
The Hollies
The Stooges
The Red Hot Chili Peppers

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.30.09 @ 05:38am


2010 SHOE-INS

Genesis
The Hollies

HARD TO PREDICT THE RIGHT 3

KISS
ABBA
Laura Nyro
Darlene Love
Jimmy Cliff
Donna Summer
The Stooges
Red Hot Chili Peppers

NO CHANCE THIS YEAR

The Chantels
LL Cool J

Only reason they made it was because of the decision to nominate 12 artists this year.

Posted by ROY on Wednesday, 09.30.09 @ 08:25am


Roy, I think I would change your list to:

SHOE INS

The Hollies
Red Hot Chili Peppers

HARD TO PREDICT

Genesis
KISS
ABBA
The Stooges
Jimmy Cliff
Donna Summer
Laura Nyro (only chance as non-performer)
The Stooges

NO CHANCE THIS YEAR

The Chantels (unless early influence)
Darlene Love
LL Cool J

Posted by Milestones on Wednesday, 09.30.09 @ 15:53pm


Roy, I think that I would change the "big bang" show to include KISS rather than the Hollies--at least if KISS includes the four original members.

I was going to ask if KISS is inducted, will the city of Hershey, Pennsylvania celebrate? But I am not that bad...

Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 09.30.09 @ 19:37pm


Joe, Roy included both KISS and the Hollies in his "big bang" show as well as The Stooges, RHCP, and Genesis. Personally, this is the group I'm rooting for, although ABBA and the Hollies are interchangeable to me.

And I found your KISS joke to be funny.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 09.30.09 @ 20:39pm


In the year 2010 Donna Summer should be inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The passage under her name is not even accurate or at all correct. Darlene Love's passage was put again under Donna's name. Whoever is doing the website should correct it. Donna was a trailblazer of the disco/dance music era in the mid to late 1970's. She even had a few hits in the 1980's and dance hits this decade.She still sells out at concert tours and her voice stills sound impeccable. She should be inducted withut a doubt. She is the Queen of Disco with 5 Grammy Awards,1 Oscar Award and a few Billboard Awards and has 30 plus charted hits.

Posted by onemusicencyclopedia on Thursday, 10.1.09 @ 02:41am


My Predictions Are:

Donna Summer
KISS
Genesis
Darlene Love
The Chantels


My Personal Preferences Are:

KISS
Donna Summer
LL Cool J
Genesis
Jimmy Cliff


****I hope Donna Summer Wins****
**** She deserves it greatly****

Posted by onemusicencyclopedia on Thursday, 10.1.09 @ 03:02am


Lax, what have you got against Darlene Love anyway? That booming soulful voice of hers powering through rock'n'roll songs... how can you hate on that? Phil Spector's trademark wall of sound, imo, is because of Darlene Love. Her songs (whether she was credited for them or not, or even only sang back-up on them) are the ones that we first saw the powerful sound really come together. The first two Crystals songs didn't have the full sound, then Darlene and her Blossoms were on He's A Rebel, and more importantly, "He's Sure The Boy I Love", and that's where you really start to see the Wall Of Sound take root. After that, you got Da Doo Ron Ron and Then He Kissed Me, not to mention all the Ronettes' songs, and Darlene's solo stuff, particularly "(Today I Met) The Boy I'm Gonna Marry" is incredible powerhouse stuff. Darlene is most deserving of induction, and I think she's got a chance. It's the underdog pick on this site, apparently, but I think she's got a shot.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.1.09 @ 16:28pm


http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2010.html

FROM DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

THE 2010 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

OVERVIEW

Nothing is trendier, or more passé, than criticizing the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame, its nominating committee, its voters and at times its very existence. For a quarter century now the question over not only who is deserving of induction to the Hall of Fame, but what exactly IS rock 'n' roll as they see it, has been an ongoing debate that has filled thousands of web pages with little consensus and virtually no headway made. To be fair, the Hall of Fame has attempted with some success, probably more than they're generally given credit for, to define the boundaries as broad and accurately as can be done. While they've veered into a few primary musical genres outside of rock (blues, country and jazz) at times, and have blindly neglected some authentic rock subgenres (prog entirely, metal, funk, Philly soul and early 50's rock to some degree as well), they have wisely seen fit to state unequivocally that such styles as disco and rap are every much a part of the rock 'n' roll landscape as punk and alternative, neither of which are closely related to rock's origins themselves, musically or socially. Their inclusiveness has drawn criticism from many uninformed commentators, both amateur and professional, but the Hall is clearly in the right when it comes to this question and should be commended for acknowledging virtually all of rock's many styles and subgenres in the face of often ignorant public outcry.

For the most part the Nominating Committee has made the obvious calls through the years without much trouble, but then invariably have wound up undercutting their own credibility when they've tried to justify filling the remainder of the ballot with a few leftfield choices and selections of personal favorites whose appearance has no legitimate defense using purely objective measures. This dichotomy is what makes following the Hall Of Fame so frustrating for serious rock historians.

The 2010 Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame nominees however threatens to place fair minded analysis squarely alongside the fanatical ravings of legions of hotheaded no-nothings, for this year's ballot is a shameful ode to committee favoritism and murky credentials, with two candidates in particular that are bewildering choices to say the least, obscuring the fact that many of the remaining artists are eminently worthy for induction. Once again the Hall is left mired in a controversy of its own making which sadly invites scorn upon even the most qualified names on the ballot merely for their association with the questionable motives behind the committee's other choices. A decent induction class can indeed be chosen from the twelve candidates on this year's ballot, the most up for consideration since 2006, but it is another missed opportunity for the Hall Of Fame to counter charges of what are widely perceived to be institutionalized deficiencies of the entrenched Nominating Committee.

CONCLUSION

There seems to be two unquestioned selections on the ballot this year, both first-time eligibles in LL Cool J and the Red Hot Chili Peppers, as well as two frequently nominated and qualified candidates in The Stooges and Donna Summer, both of whom are looking to turn the recent tide against them. Those would seem the best bets for induction on the surface. The wild cards are Genesis and Kiss, both of whom have the requisite qualifications and for years have not been afforded even the opportunity for selection thanks to the committee's decision to keep them from the ballot entirely. Which of these receives the most support from the electorate will be the most interesting thing to watch with fans of both poised to cry bias if either, or both, fall short. With so many women in the running it would seem that one female act at the least will get in, but while Summer's got the best credentials, the anti-disco sentiments could do her in. The remaining candidates are a strange cross-section of eras, styles and qualifications ranging from virtually non-existent to mixed. Should any of these artists break through at the expense of one of the aforementioned six (only five of which can be elected through normal channels) then it will be a major story and cause for more needless controversy for the Hall to endure.

With such a mixed bag of Main Performers on the ballot the hope for a worthy and memorable Class Of 2010 rests increasingly on the other categories which have long been a source of trouble, controversy and downright ineptitude. The Early Influence category in particular has a history of atrocious selections representing a completely inaccurate view of rock's origins. Still waiting to be enshrined here are Wynonie Harris, Roy Brown, The Ravens, Sister Rosetta Tharpe and Big Jay McNeely, among many other notable names, all of whom should've been inducted twenty years earlier as the true founders of rock 'n' roll. Two or more of these artists receiving recognition should be foremost in the Hall Of Fame's plans. As for the sidemen category, last year's three inductees were the first in some time from this field and that's a trend that should continue with three per year for the foreseeable future. There are no lack of candidates waiting, starting with Mickey "Guitar" Baker, Sam "The Man" Taylor and Huey "Piano" Smith as the most deserving and long overdue. Perhaps the area most in need of oversight is the Non-Performer category where rampant cronyism threatens the very credibility of the Hall, as each and every label owner of the past 60 years have been feted at the expense of those who were the musical brains behind their financial empires. Cosimo Matassa, Tom Dowd and Jesse Stone should've been elected years ago and only Matassa remains with us in the flesh to be honored. Other key figures on the musical side of the equation, such as Norman Whitfield and Richard Barrett, have recently departed making their potential selections sadly posthumous. All should be elected at some point in the near future before another executive is patted on the back for various crimes and misdemeanors in the boardrooms.

Overall, the Hall Of Fame's biggest ongoing problem is their resistance to restructuring its nominating committee, expanding its voter rolls and overhauling its selection process to address shortcomings and inherent conflicts of interests as well as to quell suspicions that a handful of prominent names in effect control the entire proceedings and have made the Hall into a referendum on their personal views. Having a revolving nominating committee to ensure different viewpoints and a wider array of candidates from year to year along with a concerted effort to diversify both it and the voting body to reflect a fair mix of racial (50/50%), gender, country of origin and era-based participants would go a long way in overcoming the criticisms of the Hall Of Fame being an elitist and close-minded body. Rock 'n' roll's legacy deserves to be presented accurately, with no biases, tastes or historical blind spots of a few key figures allowed to re-write that history. Until that occurs the Hall Of Fame will continue to face criticism that could easily be remedied.

Posted by ROY on Friday, 10.2.09 @ 14:22pm


I've come to the conclusion that this "Digital Dream Door" doesn't know much of what they're talking about (Darlene Love should get inducted because she never got the credit she derserved...???). They seem to be willing to let older artists who haven't been inducted fall by the wayside.

They need to stick to what they're good at...whatever that is...

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 10.2.09 @ 17:43pm


Philip, you have just proved my case in why Darlene Love does NOT deserve induction. All of these accomplishments you and others have listed as significant could just as well be credited to Phil Spector, or Ronnie Spector and the Ronettes, or any of a number of artists that Spector got invovled with. Last time I checked, Phil Spector is an inductee of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Also, Ronnie Spector and the Ronettes have recently been inducted. And rightly so.

By the by, I have finished looking at Roy's post from Digital Dream Door. Lo and behold, two of the members of the Nominating Committee that have pushed for Darlene Love to be inducted are Little Steven Van Zandt, and the ever-ubiquitous Dave Marsh. I suppose it is obvious why Little Steven would want Love inducted, considering that he and much of the E Street Band were involved with "Nobody Ought To Be All Alone On Christmas". Dave Marsh is less so, yet not suprising. This, mind you, is the same person that detests Kiss, hates any form of art rock, and has vowed to have Rush never be inducted. And yet, outside of Jann Wenner, Marsh may have the most say and finalization on who will be inducted. Thus, this massive curveball thrown at us with the Darlene Love potential induction is typical Marsh bullshit. I am certain Darlene Love would be well honored, and it would be a nice gesture. I just do not think of Love being that great; certainly less impressive than Ronnie Spector.

By the way, I would not trust Digital Dream Door with any fine analysis of artists. To think lesser of Laura Nyro is rather telling, and incoreect. To maintain that Leonard Cohen is somehow unqualified is baffling, and rubbish.

If, however, the predictions of the five from them are put into position, the toss-up might not be Genesis (though I infer they will be inducted, hopefully collectively and individually as our campaining for Peter Gabriel can attest.) Nor might it be Kiss, due again to Dave Marsh's views on them. Considering that and the reluctance to have artier rock artists inducted unless they really, really, have to; the fifth choice could be any one of the other worthy finalists. The voters might select Darlene Love, yet I do not see it happening. If it does become another Marsh induction approval, then the debating and the haaranging will continue. It could stop with a Genesis induction: at least it will be one-fifth of the Genesis tree inducted. Yet, it is, as it ever was, up to Dave Marsh to decide, is it not?

Lick it up, Dave Marsh :),

Lax26

Posted by Lax26 on Friday, 10.2.09 @ 17:48pm


"Philip, you have just proved my case in why Darlene Love does NOT deserve induction. All of these accomplishments you and others have listed as significant could just as well be credited to Phil Spector, or Ronnie Spector and the Ronettes, or any of a number of artists that Spector got invovled with. Last time I checked, Phil Spector is an inductee of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Also, Ronnie Spector and the Ronettes have recently been inducted. And rightly so."

Lax, once again, you missed my point. Phil Spector's wall of sound existed because of Darlene Love. He perfected it because of Darlene Love. Darlene Love is more deserving than the Ronettes. The success of the Ronettes would not have happened if it were not for Darlene Love. Take her out of the picture, and the whole wall crumbles. She was the corner of the capstone.

And I would call it pretty significant that both Little Steven and Dave Marsh support Darlene Love. Little Steven's one of the most outspoken people in the Pre-Art Form camp that is pushing for more 50s and 60's pop-rock acts. Dave Marsh is one of the most outspoken members in the Post-Art From camp that wants the rap acts and Chic in, but worked to keep KISS and prog (including Genesis) out. Big time members in both camps want Darlene Love, and if they have enough influence in their circles of the voting bloc, Darlene Love will get in.

She's definitely deserving, and one of those who may surprise everyone.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.2.09 @ 18:26pm


Folk and Prog in the Rock Hall

Folk

Lead Belly, Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen

Prog

Pink Floyd

I'm guessing Anthony DeCurtis is responsible for Laura Nyro getting nominated this year, and I'm predicting the same people who voted to get Leonard Cohen inducted in 2008, will vote to get Laura Nyro inducted in 2010. You should expect to see all the remaining big names in 60s Folk music to be inducted in the next few years as well. Joan Baez, Judy Collins, Phil Ochs, The Kingston Trio, Peter, Paul and Mary, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Fairport Convention. You would think that Joan Baez, Judy Collins, The Kingston Trio and Peter, Paul and Mary would be inducted first because they were better known than Leonard Cohen and Laura Nyro in the 60s, but because Cohen and Nyro were writers, and other folk acts (for the most part) were cover artists, but they wrote too; not as much though; except for Phil Ochs, Fairport Convention and Kingston Trio.

I don't know who's idea it was to nominate Genesis this year. Genesis has too many friends who are inductees. There is no way that they will not be inducted in 2010. I'm guessing past inductees get ballots in their mail boxes and they get to vote too. Genesis will become the second prog act to be inducted. Deep Purple, Yes, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Jethro Tull, King Crimson and Rush should be inducted too, soon.

MY FINAL PREDICTION FOR THE 2010 ROCK HALL:

Genesis
Laura Nyro
The Hollies
The Stooges
Red Hot Chili Peppers

I think the voters will pass on POP this time around (KISS, ABBA, Donna Summer). But maybe Laura Nyro is not as big as Leonard Cohen. I don't know!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.2.09 @ 21:57pm


I will have to disagree with you Roy, I personally believe that ABBA will definitely get in the hall this year. Because of the popularity of "Mamma Mia!", and just because ABBA is amazing, and it's insulting they haven't been inducted already. KISS is harder to lock.. They haven't necessarily had a resurgence of popularity that ABBA has, but then again, they never really lost popularity. KISS is iffy, but ABBA is almost certain in my mind.



The Artists that will get in the Hall in 2010:

The Stooges
Red Hot Chili Peppers
ABBA
Genesis
Donna Summer

In my opinion, that's a pretty dang good year :)

Posted by Calzone on Saturday, 10.3.09 @ 22:16pm


need help! i forgot the artist and the name of song but i'm pretty sure it's the 90's. the music video shows old dances around 50's or 60's but the artist didn't appear in the video but it has a great guitar scratching.

Posted by akeem on Thursday, 10.8.09 @ 00:53am


"need help! i forgot the artist and the name of song ... it has a great guitar scratching." - akeem
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Can anyone help this poster?

Posted by Telarock on Thursday, 10.8.09 @ 09:02am


Out of all the prog acts to choose from, I think Genesis was a bad choice.

Posted by Kai on Thursday, 10.8.09 @ 10:08am


Prog Order of Inductions:

01. Pink Floyd
02. Genesis
03. Deep Purple
04. Yes
05. Jethro Tull
06. King Crimson
07. Emerson, Lake and Palmer
08. Rush

No other prog groups will be inducted. These are all the big guns. No other prog group had long lasting career.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.8.09 @ 12:33pm


"No other prog groups will be inducted. These are all the big guns. No other prog group had long lasting career."-Roy

Wrong. Moody Blues, ring a bell? How about Procol Harum, who bascially started prog? And what about Uriah Heep, one of the forerunners to progressive-metal?

I just want t bring this up again that very little Purple did post-Evans, Simper era was prog. After that mainly heavy metal/hard rock.

Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 10.8.09 @ 13:11pm


Since when were Moody Blues prog?

Posted by QAZ on Thursday, 10.8.09 @ 13:20pm


"Since when were Moody Blues prog?"-QAZ

The Moody Blues were one of the pioneers of prog.

Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 10.8.09 @ 13:52pm


JOURNEY!!! Dont dtop beliving has the record for most downloads off of i tunes

Posted by Nemrac on Friday, 10.9.09 @ 16:39pm


Roy, I really like your Prog Rock prediction order. My only difference of opinion is I believe Rush will get inducted before many of the artists ahead of them. My prediction is:
1) Pink Floyd
2) Genesis
3) Deep Purple (If we are considering them Prog here)
4)Yes
5)Rush
6)King Crimson
7)E.L.O (I hope)

I don't think they will induct Jethro Tull or ELP (And definately not Supertramp or Kansas)

Posted by Jonny on Friday, 10.9.09 @ 16:49pm


My favorite nominee this year is The Hollies!
12 more 60s deserving Rock bands

1) The Moody Blues (I forgot to include them in my Prog Rock list, but I hope they will get inducted soon)
2) Paul Revere & the Raiders
3) Steppenwolf
4) Deep Purple
5) The Monkees
6) Blood, Sweat, & Tears
7) MC5
8) Herman's Hermits
9) Vanilla Fude
10) Small Faces
11) The Guess Who
12) The Zombies

Posted by Jonny on Friday, 10.9.09 @ 16:55pm


Jonny,

Pink Floyd WAS inducted in 1996.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnelld on Friday, 10.9.09 @ 20:45pm


Roy wrote:
"Prog Order of Inductions:

01. Pink Floyd
02. Genesis
03. Deep Purple
04. Yes
05. Jethro Tull
06. King Crimson
07. Emerson, Lake and Palmer
08. Rush

No other prog groups will be inducted. These are all the big guns. No other prog group had long lasting career."

The Electric Light Orchestra with Jeff Lynne did, so what about 'em?

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 10.10.09 @ 12:07pm


Again I just want to make this clear that Purple are NOT a prog band. "Smoke on the Water" era(Mark 2) Purple had no prog in them.

Posted by Dude Man on Saturday, 10.10.09 @ 12:29pm


I would tell you that I can't see how you can nominate the Red Hot Chili Peppers without first inducting Deep Purple, Blue Oyster Cult, Green Day, Whitesnake, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Golden Earring, and of course Pink...but you already knew that. (Black Sabbath and James Brown are already inducted.)

Posted by Joe on Sunday, 10.11.09 @ 21:25pm


...to say nothing of Black Oak Arkansas, Frijid Pink, Quicksilver Messenger Service, and King Crimson...and I bet by now you wish I DIDN'T say anything about any of them!

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Not that I tried.

Posted by Joe (again) on Sunday, 10.11.09 @ 22:46pm


No SRV... disgrace.

Posted by Aaron on Monday, 10.12.09 @ 10:23am


Well, it looks like Kiss will be inducted for the RRHOF Class of 2010, and deservedly so. How, you may ask?

Gene Simmons' recent comments positioning a negatory respite of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation now guarantees them an induction. To note, this approach is best remembered in Stephen King's short story and later film directed by Frank Darabont, "The Shawshank Redemption." Three times, Red (Morgan Freeman) has his parole rejected while claiming rehabilitation. The last time, Red has a fine monologue basically saying what difference will parole make; it will not change the crimes committed in his youth. As he says, "The truth of the matter is: I don't give a shit." Paroled right afterwards!

Ergo, Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley telling of the RRHOF to sod off now puts Kiss as virtual locks for the Class of 2010. On the flip side, I still infer that Genesis (Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford) will be inducted. Notice , in an homage to Peter Gabriel, that I did not include the year. Rest assured, though: all five main branches of the Genesis tree will be inducted, as listed above.

Happy 15th anniversary, Shawshank!

Lax26

Posted by Lax26 on Tuesday, 10.13.09 @ 20:02pm


On the flip side, I still infer that Genesis (Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford) will be inducted. Notice , in an homage to Peter Gabriel, that I did not include the year. Rest assured, though: all five main branches of the Genesis tree will be inducted, as listed above.

Happy 15th anniversary, Shawshank!

Lax26

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Why does everybody leave out Phil Collins. He still was the drumer during their early years. It has nothing to do with your opinion of later Genesis.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.13.09 @ 20:35pm


Well, it looks like Kiss will be inducted for the RRHOF Class of 2010, and deservedly so. How, you may ask?

Gene Simmons' recent comments positioning a negatory respite of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation now guarantees them an induction. To note, this approach is best remembered in Stephen King's short story and later film directed by Frank Darabont, "The Shawshank Redemption." Three times, Red (Morgan Freeman) has his parole rejected while claiming rehabilitation. The last time, Red has a fine monologue basically saying what difference will parole make; it will not change the crimes committed in his youth. As he says, "The truth of the matter is: I don't give a shit." Paroled right afterwards!

Ergo, Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley telling of the RRHOF to sod off now puts Kiss as virtual locks for the Class of 2010.

Posted by Lax26 on Tuesday, 10.13.09 @ 20:02pm
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It's also entirely possible that the committee will simply view this as a reason not to induct them. By taking this literally to heart, they could easily claim Kiss kept themselves out of the Hall.

I hope what I just wrote doesn't turn out to be true. I HOPE.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 10.14.09 @ 05:54am


Holy crap, I think Lax has finally flown the cuckoo's nest.

And Phil Collins will be inducted with Genesis if they do get inducted. He's the reason people still remember the band Genesis. Not that the Gabriel-era stuff wasn't of merit, it was, but it was also too short-lived and too obscure, with only a few tracks remembered to this day.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.14.09 @ 14:05pm


"I still infer that Genesis (Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford) will be inducted." - Lax26
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Lax, didnt you just slight Phil Collins in a major way??? Aye, theres the snub! You hate Collins so you can love Gabriel even more?!! Now I got you figured out, I think. (hmmmm?)

Posted by Telarock on Wednesday, 10.14.09 @ 14:54pm


It was Tony Hicks Not Bass guitarist Eric Haydock who sang in the three part harmonies of The Hollies with Allan Clarke & Graham Nash.

The Hollies earlier wrote their 1964 UK Hit "We're Through" (No 7)too..

The Hollies had MANY Worldwide singles hits....32 UK Hits and 23 USA Chart hits...plus many Charting Albums worldwide too...over SIXTY Album International chart placings

...compared to say The Zombies, whom while a Classic band made only TWO Albums...and had Three notable UK hits and a few more in the USA - ironic but Much of The Zombies due acclaim came AFTER the Original Band had broken up....!

re The Moody Blues....they began as a R & B outfit...topping the UK Charts with "Go Now" in January 1965...& supported The Beatles on a UK Tour...

then after Justin Hayward & John Lodge joined in 1966 began to record their own material....

Moodies Keyboardist introduced John Lennon to The Mellotron (Pinder had earlier worked in the UK Factory that made them !) ...hence the mellotron used on "Strawberry Fields forever"...

Mike Pinder featured the Mellotron for the Moody Blues on "Love and Beauty" in 1967...then on Hayward's "Nights in White Satin" (A UK chart hit THREE times !) ...plus on several of their MASSIVE selling seven albums from 1967 to 1972.....during which time The Moody Blues were one of the very BIGGEST Bands in the world....even their 1967 album "Days of Future Passed" Topped the USA chart in 1972 !

They had further Big chart hits with "The Story in Your Eyes" (USA 1971), "Question" (UK & USA 1970) & "Isn't Life Strange" (UK 1972)

Reforming in 1978 after a five year break....their album "Octave" sliced effortlessly through punk to sell exceedingly well....then, following Mike Pinder's Retirement, they hired Ex-Yes Keyboardist Patrick Moraz for four more charting albums...including the BIG selling "Long Distance Voyager" (1981) & "The Other Side of life" (1986)...plus had further Big USA singles hits with Haywards's "Your Wildest dream" (aka "Once upon a time") & "I Know Your Out There Somewhere" (1988) ...while a few Live sets & a "Very Best of" compilation were also later very BIG selling albums...

Moodies Guitarist/Vocalist Justin Hayward also had a very Big hit with "Forever Autumn" from Jeff Wayne's "War of the Worlds" in 1978....recently performing the song again in a Touring concert version of the Award winning Production...

...and with Moodies bassist/Vocalist John Lodge had earlier had a Big UK hit with "Blue Guitar" in 1975....and the Duo recorded a big selling album "Blue Jays" that year...

The Moody Blues, Having had their songs covered by Artists ranging from Slade("Fly Me High") ...to The Four Tops chart hits ("A Simple Game" / "So Deep Within You" ...to The Shadows and Elkie Brooks chart hit ("Nights in White Satin") ...Their influence has been considerable...

They still tour...have sold over a hundred million records...and were BIG influences on other Big selling Prog Rock bands in the same vein such as Barclay James Harvest (who even did a Moodies style standout song titled: "Poor Man's Moody Blues" !) ...their use of mellotron, Chamberlain & other Electronic Keyboards & distinctive Four and later three part Vocal Harmonies were very influential on many Album orientated Prog Rock bands....

Posted by Dave on Saturday, 10.17.09 @ 04:33am


One thing to say Kiss should not get in because ELO should get in before KISS since ELO one one of the 5 biggest and best bands of the 70's and KISS was not

Posted by Mike on Sunday, 10.18.09 @ 00:41am


Mike, agree with you about ELO. Just gotta get them nominated some year. I'm hopeful that maybe in next 5 years they'll get nominated. Maybe do it as Move/ELO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 10.19.09 @ 07:19am


To those discussing disco music, actually, disco music was defined by the music being played in clubs, or as they called them in the 60s and 70s, discoteques. Earth Wind & Fire were quite successful on the dance floor and spun by many DJs in the 70s. Donna Summer, while the queen of the dance floor, veered toward rock (or sex rock as they called it).

It is unfortunate that the label 'disco' is so misunderstood, but... in fairness, when it became hugely popular in the late 70s, some terrible, cheesy music was made (Sammy Davis Jr, Disco Candyman ha ha ha) so it is that record label produced crap created soley and quickly to cash in on dance music that many people think of when "disco" is mentioned.

In the 80s, they dropped the term disco and changed it to club music, house music, techno, and dance music, et al, but it is all still the same, music played by a DJ that gets people dancing. Don't get too hung up on labels.

And for my two cents, ABBA, whatever they are, does not define or influence rock music. Summer on the other hand, well, her electronica sent punk rockers to new wave, and everyone from Bowie, Blondie, Lennon, Springsteen, Iggy Pop, even the Red Hot Chili Peppers acknowledge this. So, the disco label is irrelevant, it is Summer's influence that gets her nominated because she and Giorgio Moroder really did invent a new form of rock music, most notably influencing Blondie, Eurythmics, Depeche Mode, New Order, Nine Inch Nails, Simple Minds, Berlin...etc. That is where it surfaced and that influence has a great deal to do with the type of music that is prevalent today.

Posted by Greg Howell on Friday, 10.23.09 @ 03:44am


It's hard to argue against Ms. Summer's influence on a host of young female performers who came after, though I'm finding some of Greg's thesis a bit of a stretch. The notion that Summer's "electronica sent punk rockers to new wave" is making my head hurt. But I agree completely that the 'disco' label is meaningless.

Of course ABBA "whatever they are" were certainly not disco, never were and never claimed to be. Of their 25 top-20 singles only two ever placed on Billboard's dance and disco charts.

There's an equally long list of artists that have cited ABBA's incredible pop artistry (Tom Moon has called the band's songs "models of impeccable craft") as influential in their work. But that's not why they deserve induction. ABBA was truly the first non-Anglo/American act to break the stranglehold of the US and UK music establishment to achieve sustained (and massive) international success. And if that's not enough, ABBA was also the first act to effectively use music video to extend their global reach. In my view these are both significant achievements that truly influenced the direction of the music industry globally. Their nomination is valid and they should be serious candidates for induction.

Posted by ns_kid on Sunday, 10.25.09 @ 02:51am


"Kiss is not a great band, Kiss was never a great band, Kiss never will be a great band, and I have done my share to keep them off the ballot,"

Unfortunately, that is not my personal opinion (and I personally disagree)--that was Dave Marsh, one of the voters for the RRHOF, which may definitely be one reason they have been suggested so many times, and nominated a few--but haven't been inducted.

Posted by Joe on Sunday, 10.25.09 @ 18:42pm


Of the 12 nominees, which 3 artists do you think benefited the most from the Rock Hall changing the number of nominees from 9 to 12 this year? In other words, who do you think would not have been on the final nominees list if there were only 9 instead of 12 nominees this year?

The Chantels
Darlene Love
Laura Nyro

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.26.09 @ 14:49pm


If this is the list, is there any way to only vote for 3 of them?

Stooges? Yes.
LL Cool J? Yes.
Peppers? Yes.

All others range somewhere between No and Hell No. I suppose I could handle Kiss in there - not like it'll actually happen. But there sure isn't a 5th deserving act.

Posted by Ralph on Monday, 10.26.09 @ 14:56pm


You didn't answer my question!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.26.09 @ 15:05pm


Abba-Im not a fan but, a lot of people like them. Maybe
The Chantels-They'll get in but not now. In a couple years
Jimmy Cliff-He should be inducted.
Genesis-They'll get in soon but I don't see them getting in this year.
The Hollies-They'll get in. They deserve it.
Kiss-There not locks but they'll get in sooner or later. There overdue.
LL Cool J-One of the very few rappers I think's talented but it's to soon to be nominated.
Darlene Love-Probably not.
Laura Nyro-Maybe
RHCP-There locks.
The Stooges-They should be in by now. 8th time's a gem.
Donna Summer-Not a fan but I'm not against her nomination.

My picks:
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Stooges
The Hollies
Jimmy Cliff
Genesis



Posted by Joe on Monday, 10.26.09 @ 18:42pm


Eventually, all of these acts will probably find their way in. My SWAG* for which order:

KISS
Genesis
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Stooges
Donna Summer
The Hollies
ABBA
Darlene Love
Laura Nyro
Jimmy Cliff
The Chantels
LL Cool J


*SWAG=Scientific Wild-Assed Guess

Posted by Joe on Monday, 10.26.09 @ 19:54pm


Roy, I think Kiss would have missed out, since Marsh has been trying to keep them out. I think LL Cool J was a compromise from the other side of the fence, even though there's been a rapper on the ballot every year for the past 5 or so. Third, I'd say that Laura Nyro was the third. A few women on the ballot already... no rush for another.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.28.09 @ 15:13pm


Granted that Genesis,Kiss,Jimmy Cliff and The Hollies deserve to be in the Hall,but where are the Moody Blues ????? Year after year the Hall turns a blind eye to one of the most talented lasting bands of all time.Their music had held up and aged well like fine wine. It is a travesty that they are not there. WAKE UP HALL OF FAME !!!

Posted by John R Reilly on Wednesday, 11.4.09 @ 12:02pm


What body of water is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame situated by and can you skate on it in the winter?

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 07:06am


What body of water is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame situated by and can you skate on it in the winter?

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 07:06am
--------------------------------------------------
Is this meant to be a riddle?

The answer is Lake Erie, and I assume if the temperatures were right, you could probably skate on at least some of it, if not all of it... ?????

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 07:35am


disappointed that Sonic Youth got snubbed by the RRHOF once again

Posted by vikram on Tuesday, 11.10.09 @ 22:20pm


Vikram, my sentiments exactly. Sonic Youth will need to be considered at some point, notably with respect to their influence in pioneering lo-fi pop.

In another respect, I am thinking that art rock artists to be inducted will go in an order as follows. First, obviously, will be Peter Gabriel: both with Genesis and on his own accord for emphasis. This, I infer, will occur for the RRHOF Class of 2010. Well, we hope that it is true that Genesis/Peter Gabriel/Steve Hackett/Tony Banks/Mike Rutherford will be inducted for the Class of 2010. Once that does occur, Yes will follow them. Then Rush will be next. Followed thereafter by Deep Purple. By the way, Deep Purple is art rock, to the contrarian views of a number of fans. This does include the Mach II era: "concerto for Group and Orchestra" and "My Woman From Tokyo" being clear examples.

After that is done, The Moody Blues will be inducted. Honestly, I would hope it comes sooner than we think. It would be really great to see Justin Hayward, John Lodge, Ray Thomas, and Patrick Moraz be in the same place one more time. Also, it would be nice for Denny Laine to receive a long-deserved recognition of his works and performances. Perhaps the elapsed time has healed previous misgivings. Same goes for Yes with their continually changing line-ups.

By the way, I am aware of my continual lessening of Phil Collins in any perceived influence he may or may not have. Certainly, Collins will be inducted with Genesis. Just do not expect his own works to ever be considered. Phil's so called "complex and amazing" songs on his own are not that well made. Besides, should not more interesting genre-shifters like Hall and Oates be inducted beofre considering Phil Collins on his own accord? Heck, Paul Carrack made more interesting recordings for his entire output. Nonetheless, Collins will go in once Genesis as a band gets inducted. I infer this will occur in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2010. Again, it is an inference with respect to the possibilities of who could be inducted.

Patrick Moraz is more influential than Michael Pinder,

Lax26

Posted by Lax26 on Wednesday, 11.11.09 @ 18:38pm


It's funny how Phil Collins has probably had more commercial success than all of the rest of them combined...must be a lot of people out there with "really bad taste"...

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 11.11.09 @ 20:10pm


Yeah Gitarzan, that is funny...

and why exactly is Patrick Moraz's work with the Moody Blues more influential than Michael Pinder, who was, by the way, a member of the Moody Blues throughout their peak? Also, Pinder performed with the Blues for 14 years and appeared on 9 albums, while Moraz performed for 13 years and appeared on only 5 albums.

Sorry, but if the Moody Blues are ever inducted into the hall of fame, and I certainly hope they do, Pinder is definitely a hall of famer, and certainly more so than Moraz and Laine.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 11.11.09 @ 20:26pm


Steve Z...it is hard for him to comprehend that the the Moody Blues are a GROUP, and have been successful as a GROUP, and no member of a GROUP is more important than another if they want to stay successful...!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 11.11.09 @ 21:11pm


Lax,

Phil Collins will get in as a soloist before Hackett, Banks, and Rutherford are inducted as solo artists. There will be no amalgamate tree induction for Genesis in 2010. If Genesis gets in, it'll be for the works released under the name "Genesis."

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 11.12.09 @ 17:28pm


KISS?? Give me a break.

Alice Cooper did it first and has been much more consistent.

Posted by Dave on Sunday, 11.15.09 @ 16:19pm


Cheap Trick never gets mentioned and should be in. As should Alice Cooper and Neil Diamond. Qaulifications are often put behind personal preferences. Having said that, the big qualification I am referring to is "impact on popular/rock music and influence on culture etc" That alone should put Kiss as well as the Stooges and Chili Peppers in. Politics unfortunately are getting in the way of what the Hall is meant to be. So many past artists/session musicians have been placed in the hall for this qualification but is often left out on others. Inconsistancy is what has led to such controversy over the Hall instead of the real focus being about love for Rock and Roll. Get back to basics.

Posted by L and B on Sunday, 11.15.09 @ 17:42pm


KISS?? Give me a break.

Alice Cooper did it first and has been much more consistent.


Posted by Dave on Sunday, 11.15.09 @ 16:19pm

Agree 100%, but KISS did it bigger!
Both should have been in 10 years ago!

Posted by Kgasser on Sunday, 11.15.09 @ 19:27pm


Dave, Kiss are going to be inducted, and rightly so, for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2010. My theory as to why, with reference to "The Shawshank Redemption", is listed in a prior posting. Yet, I will agree with you that Alice Cooper should have been inducted years ago. Cooper's unique talents were enough to have both street cred, and a rather mainstream audience.

I seem to have forgotten about this, yet Darlene Love actually was involved with the 25th anniversary concerts at Madison Square Garden. I am thus under the assumption that Love will be inducted for the Class of 2010. However, I fail to see why an induction for Darlene Love is needed: this does not only include the fact that Love's induction will cancel out a potential induction for a more deserving act, or that this might cancel out a Genesis induction of any sort this coming induction (we know how that could turn out with these voters.)

An induction for Darlene Love will be amongst the more quizzical inductions the RRHOF has established. It would be the equivalent to considering Phil Collins on the basis of being at the right time and with the right artists to help him out. To put it another way, it would be like inducting Southside Johnny because he and Bruce Springsteen have similar interests, or the Sugarhill Gang because they sampled Chic. Just because Darlene Love worked extensively with Phil Spector, a good deal of the E Street band, and other noted artists while carving up a number of hit records on her own does not make an induction of importance. I mean, it is all well and good for Darlene Love to be recognised. Love, though, does not make me think RRHOF when it involves her.

On another note, I stand by my decision in noting that Patrick Moraz is infinitley better than Michael Pinder. Pinder was basically a pianist and mellotron/chamberlain player known for being the undersold part of the Core 7 era Moody Blues. Yes, I know he recited "Late Lament", wrote a number of their early songs, brought orchestral sounds through his mellotron, and found the Lost Chord. Yet, clearly the creative nucleus at that time were Hayward, Lodge, and Thomas. Even Graeme Edge had some more bite with his spoken word poems. Once he left the band after "Octave", Pinder's output has considerably been lessened and been made more blander.

Patrick Moraz, on the other hand, is a unique prodigious artist that uses all forms of electronic and acoustic keyboards, as well as other instruments. His keyboard and electronics output with the Moody Blues expanded upon their sound design to make them relevant through the 80s and afterwards. Plus, Moraz was involved with Yes' great album "Relayer", actually toured with the group for about two years, and then began releasing albums on his own before his time with the Moody Blues came into being. "The Story of I", for example, is amongst the most unique, innovative, and influential albums of the era: it deserves being listened to in full at least a few times to fully comprehend its message.

Well, that is what I have to say now. I would just note that many of the induction choices have long been influenced by whom Bruce Springsteen thinks is deserving, or whom Bono revers, and most definitely what Jann Wenner likes at the moment. I would like to think this could be enhanced, if not changed outright. Yet, notably with a probable induction of Darlene Love, there may be a better chance of hell freezing over than Wenner expanding upon his and others' beleifs in whom is most deserving. I think, for instance, Genesis/Peter Gabriel/Steve Hackett/Tony Banks/Mike Rutherford is deserving of induction. The question is, does Jann Wenner think so too?

In search of how the Lost Chord might sound on a synthesizer,

Lax26

Posted by Lax26 on Monday, 11.16.09 @ 20:01pm


Lax, I explained above why I believe Darlene Love should be inducted, at least partially why. Your response has been the same blanket and blank statement you've given before... it's not that she worked with Phil Spector... it's more that she MADE Phil Spector. Phil Spector gave her more liberty in the studio than he did with some of his other artists.

However, I wouldn't call her working with the 25th Anniversary concerts a surefire sign of her indution. It's a GOOD one, but I don't think all the votes are even in yet. So don't read too much into it.

And please separate reality from fiction. Just because something happened in "Shawshank Redemption" doesn't mean KISS is getting into the Hall Of Fame... life doesn't always imitate art. KISS will get in because they deserve it, and because people voted for them, not because of the Shawshank Redemption.

And seriously... what the f*** did the solo careers of Banks, Hackett, and Rutherford ever amount to? Mike + The Mechanics was one of the most craptastic groups from the 80s for crying out loud.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 11.16.09 @ 21:37pm


About Darlene Love posted by Philip on Monday, 11.16.09 @ 21:37pm "it's more that she MADE Phil 'Spector

That is the funnest thing I have heard in months from you... I like ms Love and do hope she gets in,,,She should get IN But from the Beatles to Darline Love.. 99% of the times it is the Producer that makes or breaks the artist....

Posted by mrxyz on Monday, 11.16.09 @ 21:48pm


I know it sounds like a stretch, but really, if you listen to the pre-Love Spector records, the man just did not have his trademark Wall Of Sound before her. Even with "He's A Rebel"... it didn't have all the pieces in place. It wasn't until "He's Sure The Boy I Love" another Blossoms-named-Crystals record featuring Love that it really fell into place. Her voice was the lynchpin that gave the other musicians license to play the way they did, and for Spector to encourage/produce them the way he did.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11.17.09 @ 18:37pm




I know it sounds like a stretch, but really, if you listen to the pre-Love Spector records, the man just did not have his trademark Wall Of Sound before her. Even with "He's A Rebel"... it didn't have all the pieces in place. It wasn't until "He's Sure The Boy I Love" another Blossoms-named-Crystals record featuring Love that it really fell into place. Her voice was the lynchpin that gave the other musicians license to play the way they did, and for Spector to encourage/produce them the way he did.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11.17.09 @ 18:37pm

Just one of Phils many many sounds..s not all he did was the wall,,after the"WALL" ALL YA NEED IS EARS

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 11.17.09 @ 18:50pm


True, but I feel listening to the stuff before that... it kinda seemed like he didn't know quite what he was looking for. I like "Pretty Little Angel Eyes" and "I Love How You Love Me", but listening to them in terms of Phil Spector, I get a feeling of incompletion that didn't disappear until Darlene stepped up to the mic. After that, his songs he produced for the Righteous Brothers, John Lennon, George Harrison, the Ramones... it never felt like something was missing. He finally knew what he wanted and knew how to bring it about, and I really think Darlene Love deserves some of that credit in helping Spector reach that level.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11.17.09 @ 19:04pm


ever felt like something was missing. He finally knew what he wanted and knew how to bring it about, and I really think Darlene Love deserves some of that credit in helping Spector reach that level.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11.17.09 @ 19:04pm

It is always a TEAM effort to make it work..

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 11.17.09 @ 20:23pm


Genesis don't stand a chance, considering that almost every progressive band has been rejected.

RHCP will get in because the RRHOF want to further expand into the eighties. They're a good choice, though.

LL Cool J is a shoe-in considering the RRHOF's growing interest in hip hop. Surprised Afrika Bambaataa weren't inducted.

Donna Summer has a good chance because she's a major pop singer and one of the biggest stars of the seventies.

Kiss might get in this time if Metallica's induction has changed their viewpoint on metal. They've been overlooked for years probably because glam metal is viewed as a joke.

All Laura Nyro has backing her up is that she performed at Woodstock.

The Stooges have waited long enough.

The Hollies are remembered for, what, one hit? Why couldn't they have nominated the Zombies?

The Chantels will probably get in because the RRHOF likes groups like that. Still, the Marvelettes would've been a better choice.

ABBA will be rejected again because of their reputation of being a "silly pop group", although the recent broadway hit Mama Mia might give them a better chance.

The rest I have no idea who they even are.

Posted by Lucario on Wednesday, 11.18.09 @ 11:59am


"It is always a TEAM effort to make it work.."

I'm not saying it wasn't, but it just seems like Darlene was the x-factor that brought the team together and really solidified the sound.

And I re-iterate... I really feel there we wouldn't remember the Ronettes or the Lala Brooks-era Crystals if Darlene Love hadn't come along first and paved the way for them.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 11.18.09 @ 17:55pm


I just went on the RRHOF website, at the 2010 nominees page, and clicked the samples of all of the nominees so they all played at once.

It kinda sounded cool, with Rock and Roll All Nite, The Air That I Breathe, Waterloo, She Works Hard For the Money, etc. all playing simultaneously.

I obviously need help.

Posted by Joe on Thursday, 11.19.09 @ 15:55pm


http://www.rockhall.com/induction2010

They are playing music now for the nominees on the Rock Hall site.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11.20.09 @ 09:01am


Good. Anything to help keep people informed. Let them know who these acts are and why they deserve induction.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 11.21.09 @ 03:41am


I agree...a lot of people who frequent this site have no idea why some of these people are being nominated. If one were to listen, they'd be schooled pretty quickly...

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 11.21.09 @ 10:26am


tell me why bread and the carpenters are not there and i will say that the both have more #1 hits than most of the groups there.plus think of the impact that they have made. they are long over due like so many you people miss alot great groups thank you for nothing jim croce he good enough yet who votes, get it together?

Posted by todd fitzgerald eidson on Thursday, 11.26.09 @ 20:05pm


What have the Bread and the Carpenters done in the way of innovation and influence and contributing to the development and perpetuation of rock'n'roll? Sales, #1 hits are not important. Sorry, but they're not. You can actually make something of an argument for the Carpenters, but the argument you'd make would be the reason they'd cite to keep them OUT... a judgment on musical styles. That's why they really have no chance of ever being inducted.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 11.26.09 @ 20:56pm


What have the Bread and the Carpenters done in the way of innovation and influence and contributing to the development and perpetuation of rock'n'roll? Sales, #1 hits are not important. Sorry, but they're not. You can actually make something of an argument for the Carpenters, but the argument you'd make would be the reason they'd cite to keep them OUT... a judgment on musical styles. That's why they really have no chance of ever being inducted.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 11.26.09 @ 20:56pm


GOOD MUSIC..!!! specially the Carpenters... Also A CLASS ACT ... unlike many in the HALL.. You're are right they are to good to get IN...more Maddona PLEASE or U2 just can't get enough of it...

Posted by mrzyz on Thursday, 11.26.09 @ 21:02pm


"GOOD MUSIC", not criteria. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 11.26.09 @ 21:08pm


I love the Carpenters... read the Carpenters thread... I made an argument for the Carpenters. The problem is, being innovative and influential in the world of Adult Contemporary music is generally what the RnRHoF would DISHONOR if they were so classless. The Carpenters are good, but they just have no realistic chance. Bread... I've fallen asleep listening to Bread.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 11.26.09 @ 21:51pm


With Bread, it was always about the dough. They never made it to the upper crust of their era, and eventually their act just got stale, no matter how you slice it.

Posted by Vilos Cohaagen on Sunday, 11.29.09 @ 13:53pm


When is the E Street Band going to be nominated? They've been playing forever and are STILL playing. Hope they get some credit soon. JEEZ!

Posted by Candace on Sunday, 11.29.09 @ 21:49pm


MY FINAL PREDICTION

THE 2010 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

Genesis
The Hollies
Laura Nyro
The Stooges
Red Hot Chili Peppers


Genesis (because they've got star power and lots of friends who've been inducted and will vote for them)

The Hollies (because they've got star power and lots of friends who've been inducted and will vote for them)

Laura Nyro (Leonard Cohen scenario; you know the rest)

The Stooges (because they've been nominated too many times; one member died recently)

Red Hot Chili Peppers (Metallica scenario)

Posted by Roy on Monday, 11.30.09 @ 06:17am


i would love to see dave grohl win an award he has to be d best all round musician to date he has worked with d best bands around and has played with all the legends

Posted by Alan on Wednesday, 12.2.09 @ 17:33pm


i would love to see dave grohl win an award he has to be d best all round musician to date he has worked with d best bands around and has played with all the legends

Posted by Alan on Wednesday, 12.2.09 @ 17:33pm


He probably will... when he gets inducted with Nirvana

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 12.3.09 @ 12:58pm


so all of them made it???

http://blog.newsok.com/staticblog/2009/09/23/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-2010-inductees-announced/comment-page-1/

Posted by akeem on Monday, 12.7.09 @ 01:02am


The inductees should be announced sometime this week or next week. That's what happened in 2007-2008.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12.7.09 @ 06:55am


Read the date of the article, SEPT 23. That's when the nominees were announced. Whoever wrote that article had "nominees" mixed up with "inductees."

Posted by Keebord on Monday, 12.7.09 @ 16:00pm


Is it possible that the voters will pass on the Red Hot Chili Peppers and LL Cool J like they passed on the Beastie Boys and Afrika Bambaataa, or will the voters vote for Red Hot Chili Peppers the way they voted for Metallica?

MY FINAL PREDICTIONS

THE 2010 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

Genesis
The Hollies
Laura Nyro
The Stooges
Red Hot Chili Peppers

OR - IF THE OLDER VOTERS HAVE THEIR WAY THIS TIME - FUSE WOULD NOT LIKE THIS AT ALL

Genesis
The Hollies
The Chantels
Darlene Love
Laura Nyro

OR - THIS IS WHAT FUSE TV WOULD WANT FOR A BIG BANG SHOW

KISS
Genesis
The Hollies
The Stooges
Red Hot Chili Peppers

Posted by ROY on Friday, 12.11.09 @ 08:40am


Well, given the recent reads on Darlene Love, I think she'd have let it spill or wouldn't have been angry in her tone if in fact she were one of the five this year... so unfortunately, it looks like she's gonna end up back at the bottom of the pile again. At least we know where Springsteen's pull went this year with Wanda Jackson having been inducted.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 12.11.09 @ 16:47pm


Three comments above CRACKED ME UP...!

1) The Beastie Boys should have gone in BEFORE The Ventures...? (Ha ! Ha !)

....The Foremost USA Guitar Band from 1959 onwards ...colossal in Japan too...they were a BIG influence on so many aspiring Sixties Guitarists.....and on the actual "Sound" of records...including by their own admission George Harrison of The Beatles, Ray Davies of The Kinks....and much later Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders...Mel taylor's Drumming....Don Wilson's Rhythm guitarwork...Bob Bogle's basswork (& Guitar too !)...and Nokie Edwards & Gerry McGee's STUNNING Lead guitarwork has influenced several Generations of following Musicians....!

Boy that guy needs to properly Learn the HISTORY of Rock !!!!

2)The Hollies ONLY remembered for ONE song ?

- ah that must be: Long Cool Woman...or He Ain't Heavy...or Bus Stop...The Air That I Breathe...or Carrie Anne...or King Midas in Reverse...or Look Through Any Window...or Here I Go Again...or On A Carousel...or Stop Stop Stop....or about 20 odd other Worldwide hits (Most in fact after Graham Nash's 1968 Departure)...even The Everly Brothers cut 75% Hollies composed songs on their "Two Yanks in England" album in 1966 !

3) Patrick Moraz more influential than Mike Pinder...? (Yeah....and Robbie Williams was more influential than Elvis as a singer !)

- Moraz himself certainly NEVER thought so when he joined The Moodies in 1978 !openly admitting his own influence from Mike Pinder as a keyboardist ! - Mike Pinder introduced his friend John Lennon to the Mellotron in 1967 (Hence "Strawberry Fields")...pinder had worked in the factory that made them ! - After Co-founding The Band Mike played on most of The Moodies Classics from "Go Now" (1964) through all their Classic Core Seven albums from 1967 to 1972...his Keyboards "Sound" made "Nights in White Satin" & "Tuesday Afternoon" etc.....and was a BIG Influence on many Prog Keyboardists who followed later in the Seventies...including Patrick Moraz !

Some guys really do need to Learn Rock & Pop History !!!

Posted by John on Monday, 12.14.09 @ 06:03am


Is today the day?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12.14.09 @ 11:25am


Is today the day?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12.14.09 @ 11:25am

That you quit giving us all of these different lists that don't mean anything. I sure hope this is that day.

Posted by Brian on Monday, 12.14.09 @ 12:45pm


Tomorrow is the day (if it doesn't leak sooner).

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Monday, 12.14.09 @ 13:55pm


Looking at Future Rock Legends' predicted Class of 2010, it may appear feasible that the five listed will be inducted. Yet there are some reasons as to why this might not be the induction class most deserving.

Yet again, the main issue for me is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation doing every thing it can to have Darlene Love be inducted for the RRHOF Class of 2010. I still cannot understand the level of perceived influence Love has had with respect to the likes of Bruce Springsteen, Little Steven Van Zandt, Dave Marsh, et al. I do not see it. I can see, however, something of consideration regarding the Chantels, if only to a certain extent. I can obviously see the significance that Laura Nyro had throughout her life. I would also add that Nyro would probably have been inducted already if she had not died in 1997.

Yet, Darlene Love is an artist that, contrary to what Little Steven thinks, does not fit in with fellow contemporaries. I will assume, though, that an induction for Love is forthcoming; else why allow the full publicity to take heed. Honestly, I am not too certain whom will be the other 4 inductees in the Performers category. For example, despite John Frusciante possibly leaving the Red Hot Chili Peppers, those guys may still be inducted this year. Also, as I have mentioned before, Donna Summer is, I assume, the virtual lock for a certain induction.

By the way, were I to choose between the Carpenters and Bread, I would go with Bread. David Gates and Jimmy Griffin were not all love songs, and could rock out if given the finer songwriting approaches. And John, Michael Pinder may have begun the advancement of the Mellotron as an effective instrument. Pinder, however, was not an influential keyboards player that John Lennon was, or that Patrick Moraz is. You see, Michael Pinder basically focused on adequately playing piano and mellotron. While greater art rock keyboardists, including but not limited to Tony Banks, Patrick Moraz, Rick Wakeman, Peter Gabriel, Mike Oldfield, and others, expanded their keyboard prowess to include synthesizers and electric organs. Enough to lead songs and ideas, as opposed to mere accompaniment.

To note, I would like to extand my congradulations to those who will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2010, whomever they may be. I assume Darlene Love will be one of the new inductees. It will be a fine honor, even though I cannot think of any reason to induct Love. Well, if Love is pleased, then I am pleased.

Hoping for a Peter Gabriel and/or Genesis induction against the odds:),

Lax26

Posted by Lax26 on Monday, 12.14.09 @ 19:12pm


Lax, if you can't understand the significance of Darlene Love, I don't know what anyone could do for you, even if Springsteen and Little Steven were to beat it into you themselves.

But take heart... most of us are fairly certain that Genesis will be inducted in 2010... but ONLY Genesis... not solo Gabriel, Collins, Hackett, Rutherford, Banks, or Oldham... and of that list, only Gabriel and Collins have any realistic chance of making it... or even come close to deserving it. All I can say is that if Genesis makes it, it should be both Gabriel and Collins inducted with the band... Gabriel's the reason you respect Genesis, Collins is the reason you've heard of Genesis.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12.14.09 @ 20:04pm


Philip...I can honestly say that during Darlene Love's "heyday", I never heard much from her as a solo artist...not that it means much. I'd like to think that at an early age I was at least a little "in tuned" to popular music. I know she was very much sought after as a back-up vocalist and popped up on some pretty big musical happenings (including Elvis' '68 comeback show), but I'd think that would catagorize her more as a "sideman/person" than a "solo artist"...if one could be that just on the strength of their voice.

I would never question her talent or incredibly powerful voice...I think she's immensely talented, but just because Little Steven and Springsteen have anointed her doesn't mean she was that significant of an influential or innovative factor. I don't know if demographics with me was a factor, but she simply wasn't "there" during that time as a solo artist...

On the other hand, I heard Laura Nyro's work all over the place...unfortunately not coming directly from her, which wouldn't make it possible for her to be inducted as a performer. She can't be considered as a "non-performer", because she did, in fact, perform...vicious cycle...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 12.14.09 @ 23:06pm


"She can't be considered as a "non-performer", because she did, in fact, perform...vicious cycle..."

I disagree with you on this one point alone, Gitarzan. Carole King was inducted under the non-performer category due to her songwriting, despite the fact that she was a performer, and one in which I believe deserves a separate induction as a performer.

Knowing the HOF and how they inducted Wanda Jackson as an early influence (prime example of category fraud here, she should be in as a performer), I'd say that Laura Nyro's chance as a non-performer is not that far-off an idea.

Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 12.14.09 @ 23:18pm


I know what you mean, Steve Z...they just don't seem to be very consistent with it (big surprise).

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 12.14.09 @ 23:24pm


A few of you managed to correctly predict 4 out of the 5 inductees.

On 9/25/09, danny picked ABBA, Hollies, KISS, Genesis and the Stooges.

Also on 9/25/09, Kyle predicted the same five.

On 10/26/09, Joe predicted RHCP, The Stooges, The Hollies, Jimmy Cliff and Genesis (one of the few who predicted Jimmy Cliff).

By our math, you only had about a 4% chance of picking 4 out of 5. Well done, guys.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Tuesday, 12.15.09 @ 10:41am



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