The 2008 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame InducteesThe 2008 Inductees are:
- Leonard Cohen
- The Dave Clark Five (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, Rick Huxley, Denis Payton and Mike Smith)
- John Mellencamp
- The Ventures (Bob Bogle, Nokie Edwards, Gerry McGee, Mel Taylor, Don Wilson)
"The 2008 inductees are trailblazers -- all unique and influential in their genres," Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation President and CEO Joel Peresman said in a written statement. "From poetry to pop, these five acts demonstrate the rich diversity of rock and roll itself. We are proud to honor these artists and celebrate their contribution to rock and roll's place in our culture."
Additionally, Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff will be inducted in the Non-Performer category (now called the Ahmet Ertegun Award). The Sideman category has also been resurrected this year with blues harmonica player Little Walter winning the award.
Artists who didn't make the cut this year were first time nominees Afrika Bambaataa, the Beastie Boys, and Donna Summer. Chic has been nominated four times without induction.
Long time eligible artists, but first time nominees, Leonard Cohen (eligible since 1993) and The Ventures (since 1985) were eagerly inducted once the voters had the chance to honor them.
The Rock Hall voters were not as quick to induct Chic and Donna Summer, two artists with major disco credentials, nor did they want to honor hip hop this year, by rejecting the Beastie Boys and Afrika Bambaataa. This sends a clear message to the Nominating Committee that the 500+ Rock Hall voters want to see more traditional "rock" artists on the ballot.
For a look at who is going to eligible for next year's induction, check out the 2008 list here, with The Smiths, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Bon Jovi, and Run DMC as the lead contenders.
Full press release below:
THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME ANNOUNCES ITS INDUCTEES FOR 2008
New York -- The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation today announced its inductees for 2008. The inductees will be honored at a ceremony on March 10, 2008, at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City.
"The 2008 inductees are trailblazers - all unique and influential in their genres," said Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation President and CEO Joel Peresman. "From poetry to pop, these five acts demonstrate the rich diversity of rock and roll itself. We are proud to honor these artists and celebrate their contribution to rock and roll's place in our culture."
The performer inductees are:
- Leonard Cohen
- The Dave Clark Five (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, Rick Huxley, Denis Payton and Mike Smith)
- John Mellencamp
- The Ventures (Bob Bogle, Nokie Edwards, Gerry McGee, Mel Taylor, Don Wilson)
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame also announced the induction of Little Walter in its sideman category, and the newly named "Ahmet Ertegun Award" (formerly the non-performer category) will be presented to legendary producers, Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff.
The 2008 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame performer inductees were chosen by the 600 voters of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. Artists are eligible for inclusion in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twenty-five years after their first recording is released.
In addition to being honored at the March ceremony, each inducted artist is commemorated at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in Cleveland Ohio, which serves as a monument to rock and roll's impact on our culture. There, this year's inductees will be honored - along with previous year's inductees and hundreds of other artists - with exhibits, video and interactive presentations and programs that serve to tell the story of modern music. The Hall of Fame itself will include artifacts from this year's inductees, a multi-media presentation with highlights from each artist's career and their signatures permanently engraved in the glass walls of the Hall of Fame.
Presenters and performers at the induction will be announced at a later date. The induction ceremony will again air live on VH1 Classic on March 10, 2008.
More about the inductees:
With the 1966 release of In My Life by Judy Collins, containing Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne" and "Dress Rehearsal Rag," Cohen became a folk rock icon of the singer songwriter movement. Already an acclaimed poet and novelist in his native Canada, Cohen moved to New York in 1967 and released his classic album Songs of Leonard Cohen on Columbia Records. Its music launched Leonard Cohen into the highest and most influential echelon of songwriters. Cohen's elegiac work is widely used in film and covered by artists from Jeff Buckley to Bono to Bob Dylan to R.E.M. As Kurt Cobain said, "Give me a Leonard Cohen afterworld so I can sigh eternally."
One of the most successful British Invasion bands of the Sixties, The Dave Clark Five topped the UK charts in 1965 with their iconic pop song "Glad All Over." Thundering production set the DC5 apart. Their slick melodic sensibility masked their boom factor: The DC5 were the loudest group in the U.K. until the advent of The Who. Drummer, songwriter and manager Dave Clark provided a perfect foundation for Mike Smith's soulful vocals. Reaching the Top Forty 17 times in just three years, with more appearances on the Ed Sullivan show than the Beatles or the Rolling Stones, the DC5 were an enormous pop phenomenon before disbanding in 1970. The Dave Clark Five have sold more than 50 million records worldwide to date.
Doors opened wide for Madonna Louise Ciccone in 1982, after five years as a singer and dancer on New York City's competitive club circuit. She signed with Sire Records (her label for the next 14 years) where her idiosyncratic persona exploded onto turntables, dance floors and airwaves and captured the imagination of the first generation of MTV viewers. She went on to become the top female star of the 1980s with seven #1 hits, three #1 albums and seventeen top ten hits in that decade. In addition to molding her public image, Madonna is a meticulous studio craftsperson and completely uninhibited stage performer. From her first #1, 1984's "Like A Virgin" (produced by Nile Rogers of Chic) to her most recent two year Confessions campaign, Madonna remains one of the most ferociously original artists in music today.
Over the course of his career, John Mellencamp has become a symbol of the hopes, struggles and passions of America's heartland. As a songwriter, many of his efforts have transcended "hit" status ("Hurts So Good," "Pink Houses," "I Need A Lover") and have entered the cultural vernacular. Mellencamp's musical heart is in his ballads and rock numbers rooted in late 50s and early 60s rock and roll. His music describes the American experience; the hopes and fears of the common everyman. As co-founder of Farm Aid, Indiana's favorite son gives voice to issues that might otherwise be ignored, from our disappearing farmlands to the role of race and class in America.
From Seattle, The Ventures defined instrumental guitar rock in the 1960s. Their hits bookended the decade, from 1960's "Walk Don't Run" to 1969's "Hawaii Five-O." Nokie Edwards' twang-guitar and the crisp rhythm of Don Wilson, bassist Bob Bogle and drummer Mel Taylor gave every Ventures album their trademark bent note sound. Long admired by other bands like the Beatles (and especially George Harrison), Stephen Stills, Joe Walsh, Aerosmith, and others, The Ventures hit the Billboard chart nearly three dozen times in the 1960s. The transparent stereo mixes enabled guitarists to isolate and learn every riff, an idea that fueled 1965's essential instruction LP Play Guitar With The Ventures. Founders of surf rock, The Ventures inspired a classic line of Mosrite guitars and have maintained a flourishing touring and recording career for decades, especially in Europe and Japan.
Little Walter (May 1, 1930 - February 15, 1968) Although Little Walter might not have been the first person to amplify the harmonica, his pioneering use of the microphone helped establish the modern blues harmonica. With a mike clasped to his harp, Little Walter created echoing, moaning, hornlike sounds that redefined the capabilities of the instrument. Walter Jacobs had fourteen top ten hits on the R&B charts in the 1950's including two number #1 songs "Juke" and "My Babe." Little Walter toured and recorded extensively with blues great Muddy Waters in the 1950's. He also recorded with Jimmy Rogers, Memphis Minnie, Otis Rush and Bo Diddley. Little Walter's influence was pervasive, especially in England where the next generation of harp players such as Mick Jagger listened to his records over and over.
Songwriters-producers and record label owners Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff made Philadelphia the soul capitol in the 1970's. Gamble and Huff's label Philadelphia International had a stable of artists that included the O'Jays, McFadden & Whitehead, Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes, Lou Rawls and Dee Dee Sharp. Their records featured the duo's trademark sound: lush string orchestrations, a powerful rhythm section and a disco beat. They also worked with Dusty Springfield, Wilson Pickett, and Jerry Butler among others. In 1990, Gamble and Huff won a Grammy for best R&B song, awarded for Simply Red's cover of the Blue Notes' 1972 hit "If You Don't Know Me By Know." And in 1999, they won the Grammy Trustees Award.
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Comments380 comments so far (post your own)
Your 2008 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees:
Posted by Future Rock Legends on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 07:50am
This was somewhat a surprise. I expected Madonna and Mellencamp (even before Mellencamp's own preemptive announcement). The Dave Clark 5 makes sense to make up for last year's scandal, although I don't agree with their induction. Leonard Cohen is a surprise, and I am glad to see him in there. I'm also glad to see The Ventures get it. As a guitar player myself, I know how influential they are on other players.
Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 07:54am
The Ventures! It's about time! They are more than just great musicians, they are a brother- hood. They have also done so much for American- Japanese relations and won an important award for that 2 years ago. The Ventures have been such a great influence on guitarists for 50 years now, are still recording, writing and touring. Thanks to all the session people who helped them over the years, including David Gates, Leon Russell, Larry Taylor, Glen Campbell and many others! The Ventures should have been inducted at the HOF's initial induction years ago, but am very happy to see them as 2008 inductees!
Posted by MICUS on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 08:10am
Well, I called the Beasties' snub, but I'm very surprised that Donna Summer didn't make it, since she has much more name recognition than the Ventures.
Posted by A-Killa on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 08:11am
I also, also want to point out that on the Rock Hall's official web site, there is nothing whatsoever about the inductees being announced today. Shows you where their priorities are.
Posted by A-Killa on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 08:36am
How old are these voters? I would love to know how many of them have actually listened to a Beastie Boys record.
Posted by c.w. on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 08:37am
I've got to admit, I'm surprised that the Beastie Boys didn't get in, but I'm not really disappointed.
Posted by Freduardo on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 08:40am
No Beastie Boys... that's too bad. Their influence on the current music landscape seems incalculable.
Posted by Sarah on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 08:43am
Congratulations to MADONNA!
Posted by K on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 08:43am
Just a note for Sarah, you have to remember that this is a ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame, and while the Beastie Boys are certainly deserving of being enshrined somewhere, it shouldn't be here. Although it is a tricky question, because many rap artists have had a lot of influence on todays musical stuff.
Posted by A moron (AKA Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee member) on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 08:47am
"..this is the Class of 2008 and they are inducting not one but two bands from the early 1960's. You might even count Cohen as a 1960's artist as well. So much for relevance." A-Killa
Posted by shawn on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 08:48am
I can't wait to see Leonard Cohen jamming with The Ventures and the Dave Clark Five at the end of the ceremony! Not to be missed!
Posted by c.w. on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 08:55am
So happy that Chic and Donna Summer are not in.
Posted by roméo on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 11:09am
Well...the Beasties was a surprise, but it does make sense. This isn't the 25th anniversary of Licensed to Ill...it's the 25th anniversary of their hardcore punk tapes. They'll make it in a couple of years. Metallica will be a lock next year as it is their 25th anniversary of Kill 'Em All. John Mellencamp was probably necessary...and Leonard Cohen was a surprise.
Posted by maplejet on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 12:18pm
Posted by William on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 12:40pm
No Beastie Boys? Grandmaster Flash made it? Where are Hall & Oates? Jann Wenner is a homo.
Posted by john bull on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 14:08pm
"The induction ceremony will again air live on 'VH1 Classic' on March 10, 2008."
Posted by Matzo Ball on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 16:34pm
It's aired on VH1 Classic before, and on VH! in the past (but not live). The ceremony didn't even air at all prior to a few years back.
Posted by JR on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 16:49pm
On the website at:
Posted by Garrett on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 18:06pm
"Say what? You took a big leap.." - William
Posted by shawn on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 22:40pm
At least one of the biggest omissions (Cohen) is now the holder of a throne in rock's not-so golden palace. Of course, this comes at the expense of the unworthy Dave Clark Five and Mellencamp being given the same red carpet.
Posted by Casper on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 02:18am
I can't take the RRHofF seriously until they induct Rush.
Posted by Kat on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 04:47am
When you read that list above, it simply a joke of who has not been inducted to the hall, some of which I am not a fan at all, but could readily admit their influence and importance in rock (Yes, Jethro Tull, Rush, Deep Purple, Genesis, Moody Blues, SRV). Maybe next year!
Posted by Matzo Ball on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 05:55am
"Why would the relevance of a year's inductions hinge on the age of those inductees, i.e., the proximity of their first recording to our current year?
Posted by William on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 07:09am
as long as u got DC4 off the dam ballot thats fine
Posted by martin on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 07:48am
The Ventures, Leonard Cohen, DC5, Gamble/Huff and Little Walter deserve induction into the Hall of Fame for their great contributions to Rock and Roll. The other 2 names for whom I don't want to mention are posers and corporate sellouts and shouldn't receive their honors.
Posted by James on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 10:11am
For 2009 I'd like to see the following
Posted by Richard on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 10:21am
"You might even count Cohen as a 1960's artist as well."
Posted by The King on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 10:50am
I "strangely" get the feeling that all four rejected artists will be returning next year...they'll probably throw in Run DMC as well just to ensure that Disco/Hip Hop have at least a solitary inductee.
Posted by Casper on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 17:05pm
I think The Stooges will return to the final ballot next year.
Posted by David on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 18:22pm
Such a shame that the Hall robbed Donna Summer, a major player in shaping American music. Her abilities are phenominal and repertoire quite exceptional and diverse. Madonna before Donna really makes a statement that the Hall becomes more of a joke every year. Donna can sing rings around Madonna and paved the way for current female "singers." Guess she joins many other overlooked non-inductees.
Posted by Tom on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 18:39pm
Tom, I agree that Donna Summer should be in the HOF, but let's not take away from what Madonna has accompished and what she's meant. We know the HOFD isn't just about the music, but also the overall impact, and few have had as much impact as Madonna with what they've done in their work.
Posted by JR on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 21:15pm
Casper, I'd agree with your bottom 3 likelies -
Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 22:37pm
"Incorrect. Cohen has released.. "Tower of Song"--1988.." -king
Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 22:44pm
My bad, King.
Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 22:47pm
"..but if there's a thirty-some-odd-year gap between them and us, how exactly are you showing that progression?" - William
Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 23:15pm
Posted by Gassman on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 23:31pm
Isn't part of the problem with "not keeping up with the times" the fact that there's only 5 inductees per year- yet the same people like "The Stooges" (nominated 4 straight years 04-07) and others keep on being nominated?
Posted by interviewer on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 00:57am
"The Smiths have no chance at all."
Posted by liam on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 05:26am
"And also if the choice is between a newer artist that recently qualifies and an older artist who is still touring and releasing new music then shouldn't that older artist receive higher consideration because of that fact???"
Posted by liam on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 05:46am
"Although I disagree with "no chance at all". (for The Smiths) -liam
Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 07:33am
"Maybe 10 years down the line, but even then without a complete paradigm shift........"
Posted by liam on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 07:49am
Next Year's induction
Posted by Irving on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 08:03am
It's funny that Madonna got inducted for 2008. No offense to Madonna and her music but Donna Summer's music is more rock oriented than Madonna's. Remember, Summer is the recipient of the Grammy's FIRST "Best Rock Vocalist" Category in 1979 for "Hot Stuff". Not to mention that Summer is the only artist in the Rock Era to have 3-consecutive double albums hit #1 in the Billboard Charts from 1978-1980.
Posted by DJ on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 09:48am
"So you'd propose that the Hall, ideally, would make sure that each year they try to purposefully amass a thorough cross secton of eras/decades for induction, something similar to the forced segregation of genres I suggested?"-shawn
Posted by William on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 10:54am
"Don't feel like listing."
Posted by Matzo Ball on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 11:08am
"What? You wrote a huge posting, yet will not answer Shawn's simple question of listing a few artists."-Matzo Ball
Posted by William on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 11:23am
Me: The affirmative action for younger acts proposal.
Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 13:49pm
Q) Isn't part of the problem with "not keeping up with the times" the fact that there's only 5 inductees per year- yet the same people like "The Stooges" (nominated 4 straight years 04-07) and others keep on being nominated?
Posted by interviewer on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 20:25pm
"Isn't part of the problem.. fact that there's only 5 inductees per year" -interviewer
Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 21:42pm
Who cares? The ceremony airs on VH1 "classic", not even the original. It is like number 30 on most people's list of things to do, if on their list at all, just after take a dump and brush teeth.
Posted by Matzo Ball on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 21:55pm
As an observer of the Rock Hall for a number of years, I feel that I should, to balance the contenders newly eligible in 2008/2009 with some artists already eligible but who I feel might have a chance of getting in even though most have never been on the ballot.
Posted by Julien Peter Benney on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 23:43pm
I go away for one gig, yes ONE Kaiser Chiefs gig, and THIS happens....
Posted by liam on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 06:09am
I didn´t expect it. But Leonard Cohen deserves his nomination, for me he is one of the greatest artists, a fantastic poet of the inner voice.Many thanks from Austria..Wolfgang
Posted by wolfgang on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 10:43am
Herman's Hermits? The lightest of lightweight bands. C'mon, we can do MUCH better.
Posted by The King on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 15:38pm
I think disco/dance music belongs in the HOF because it's derived from blues and jazz. How do you think Sly and the Family Stone or Funkadelic got in ???? Rap on the other hand doesn't deserve because it doesn't involve singing and proper musical notes. Plus it's not Rock and Roll, or anything that's close to it. Take Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, Afrika Bambattaa, and Sugarhill Gang and put them in a Rap Hall of Fame where they belong, or a plain Music Hall of Fame, anything that can rightfully honor rap music.
Posted by Patrick on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 16:47pm
William, are we done with our conversation? Are you pissed off?
Posted by shawn on Monday, 12.17.07 @ 00:30am
I didn't see it until now.
Posted by William on Monday, 12.17.07 @ 00:52am
I think, shawn, that you have made some wrongful connection between "age of artist" and "level of impact". You can't create a rule, as then you'd have a situation where it gets used out of context. Also, by giving a priority to artists from before 1979, you are essentially belittling post 1980.
Posted by liam on Monday, 12.17.07 @ 11:48am
No, he is saying that if you have two artists that deserve induction (and no they do not necessarily have to be equal in terms of their deserving of induction, but lets just say they both deserve induction), why not let seniority be the trump card? And, as for belittling 1980 and beyond I did not take that from his posts.
Posted by Matzo Ball on Monday, 12.17.07 @ 17:45pm
"if you have two artists that deserve induction (and no they do not necessarily have to be equal in terms of their deserving of induction, but lets just say they both deserve induction), why not let seniority be the trump card?"
Posted by liam on Tuesday, 12.18.07 @ 10:47am
"No, he is saying that if you have two artists that deserve induction (and no they do not necessarily have to be equal in terms of their deserving of induction, but lets just say they both deserve induction),"
Posted by liam on Tuesday, 12.18.07 @ 13:40pm
"I think, shawn, that you have made some wrongful connection between "age of artist" and "level of impact"...by giving a priority to artists from before 1979, you are essentially belittling post 1980." -Liam
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 08:49am
"Regardless of how many of my "favorites" are from whatever era, I don't bring favoritism into this."
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 09:42am
The prbolem, shawn, is that it's almost impossible for artists of perfectly equal merit to exist.
Posted by liam on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 11:19am
"Horseshit. Plug in most of your "objective" criteria that you want and it's still Your favorite criteria, ergo your favorite choices."
Posted by liam on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 11:47am
"Elton John, Rod Stewart, The Rolling Stones, Eric Clapton, The Eagles...more...are you saying that someone like Sonic Youth would deserve induction before any of them by your standards?"
Posted by liam on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 11:57am
"The problem, shawn, is that it's almost impossible for artists of perfectly equal merit to exist." -liam
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 12:11pm
"Shawn, you've got to accept that there's a limit on how subjective you can't be. If you REALLY wanted to nitpick, why not just go ahead and say that NOTHING can be completely objective?" - liam
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 12:35pm
"Definitely before Elton and Rod, although maybe you're confusing William's argument - he never said anything about forgetting the 25 year rule" -liam
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 12:37pm
"Horseshit. Plug in most of your "objective" criteria that you want and it's still Your favorite criteria, ergo your favorite choices."-shawn
Posted by William on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 12:51pm
Maybe I missed something - I THINK that what you're getting at is that IF two 'equal' artists came across each other - one being older and having waited ages, the other being a new eligible - the older artist should receive priority SIMPLY because they've had to wait.
Posted by liam on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 12:57pm
"..and those band C's are of at least decent quality.." -liam
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 13:06pm
Shawn, you onbviously know what I mean, otherwise you wouldn't have made that "just like how the smell of my fart influenced you to vomit" comment.
Posted by liam on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 13:10pm
" THINK that what you're getting at is that IF two 'equal' artists came across each other - one being older and having waited ages, the other being a new eligible - the older artist should receive priority SIMPLY because they've had to wait." -laim
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 13:14pm
Look, just remeber that William never argued aginst them being inducted.
Posted by liam on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 13:17pm
"Shawn, you onbviously know what I mean, otherwise you wouldn't have made that "just like how the smell of my fart influenced you to vomit" comment." -liam
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 13:22pm
""Look, just remeber that William never argued aginst them being inducted." -liam
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 13:27pm
"They are not my "favorite" criteria, but rather the only criteria that make any sense to me." -William
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 13:31pm
"and William's perspective of "if they aren't in the air right now, where is there lasting significance" is dismisive and discards many 70's gems who should get a nod because they just don't satisfy some hip factor anymore."-shawn
Posted by William on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 13:42pm
"If you were to ask me to choose between two different criteria for the Baseball Hall of Fame, say for example "batting average" and "number of hats worn," would I be playing favorites by picking the statistic that has the most to do with how the actual game is played?" -William
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 13:44pm
"and William's perspective of "if they aren't in the air right now, where is there lasting significance"..." -me
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 13:49pm
"Significance? Means a lot of things. More than two."-shawn
Posted by William on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 13:59pm
"Well if you paid the slightest bit of attention to any of my posts regarding future eligibles.. I always qualify my predictions: "If such and such happens and they do this or that, I think they stand a fair shot." That's hardly the same as saying "lock. I r teh smarterest." _Willaim
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 14:17pm
Let me put it in terms that you might understand: Eat a dick.
Posted by William on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 14:19pm
"Didn't look like semantics to me. It looked very clearly as though you were accusing me of picking criteria out of convenience..accusing me of favoritism.."
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 14:27pm
"Let me put it in terms that you might understand: Eat a dick." -W
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 14:36pm
"Let me put it in terms that you might understand: Eat a dick." -W
Posted by interviewer on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 15:35pm
Alright, that is it - you two go to your rooms!
Posted by Matzo Ball on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 17:52pm
"Significance? Means a lot of things. More than two."-shawn
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.19.07 @ 23:24pm
Well interviewer, something like your suggestion could be an alternative - like a music journalist and musician's run Hall of Fame, but this current Hall could immediately solve the credibility debt and broaden its appeal by simply adding to and tweaking its nomination process by humbling itself and outsourcing a couple of the inductions to Pitchfork & Co.
Posted by shawn on Thursday, 12.20.07 @ 22:12pm
Wow - it must have gotten much worse if the site's admin squad is even deleting my question about yesterday. Anyone able to give me the news before this is zapped again? What happened with Liam and "Hey Joe"?
Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 07:10am
Yeah, in reading these posts I see that Liam used to "fight" with anon, and many others, then "Hey Joe." Common denominator? Pattern?
Posted by Matzo Ball on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 07:40am
I don't know, shawn. The admins have some explaining to do. (liam)
Posted by not lol on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 08:05am
Unless there is some sort of problem occuring with the admin team, I'll ask one question: Why delete mine, and, by the looks of it, shawn's posts, when you leave the blatant adverts and spams?
Posted by not lol on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 08:07am
Geezus Krist Michael, just shut the f**k up already, will you? I can't believe your stupidity and audacity. Nobody is fooled - everybody sees you, your stupid voice is that recognizable; do you have any semblance of personal dignity whatsoever, dude? I'll leave you alone as "Matzo", but not if you continue to push it. Just keep your stupid yap shut with regard to liam or anything related. Damn.
Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 08:09am
FFS, I have ONE spat with a Kiss fan boy/Anonymous, and my name gets blocked. One problem thought, as I can obviously just go on under a different name. Why not just accept that I was a bit overboard on the insults last night, and let me use "liam" again? Please.
Posted by not lol on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 08:15am
"Please keep comments relevant to the topic."
Posted by not lol on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 08:17am
The Great OZ has spoken! I feel like I just heard from the Burning Bush.
Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 08:23am
"Let Gollum writhe in bitterness alone and shut him out."
Posted by not lol on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 08:27am
He craves attention. Truly ignoring him will render him inert and harmless, if we can stomach it.
Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 08:33am
Yeah, trust me to not know when to stop. I'm sure that if we weren't as funny as we are, the admins would have booted us.
Posted by not lol on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 08:38am
So William, getting back to relevance in the context of preoccupation for "keeping up to date" vs respect for history, one of the things you said keeps standing out for me and I'd like to hear your explanation:
Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 08:51am
I only have one word for you all:)
Posted by KaThLeEn:) on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 12:02pm
Ok guys, new list.
Posted by not lol on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 13:21pm
"1) What is your defintion of "ANYTHING"? This is probably the core of my isuue with your paradigm."-shawn
Posted by W on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 01:05am
"..If it didn't amount to anything, then why learn it?" -William
Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 11:01am
This began with my objection to A-Killa's guffaw at the "relevance" of 3 inductees from the 60's.
Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 11:24am
"You dismiss too much; you have a hipster soul no matter that you deny it."
Posted by LLIIAAMM on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 11:38am
".. but should it be counted against an artist, say, Brian Eno or Kraftwerk, simply because they aren't as accessible as, say, Oasis or the White Stripes?" -Liam
Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 12:18pm
"I can give you examples that I know of, if that is necessary."
Posted by LLIIAAMm on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 12:29pm
Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 12:51pm
"But deserving a spot in your CD player because it sounds good and deserving a spot in history because it truly matters are different." -W
Posted by Ryan on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 13:16pm
Who is this??
Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 13:44pm
Ryan is our old pal, come back to try and slip back into the debating.
Posted by LLIIAAMM on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 13:45pm
Old pal!!!!!!! Peek-a-boo, we see you Michael.
Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 13:48pm
Hey, I'll even do your next comment for you, "Ryan":
Posted by LLIIAAMM on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 13:54pm
Nicely done, Liam. May I help too?
Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 14:00pm
Hahahahahaha!!! Can you imagine the look on his face right now?!
Posted by LLIIAAMM on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 14:04pm
--- Posted by Anonymous on the John Mellencamp page on Friday 3.16.07 @ 17:47pm:
Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 14:16pm
-- Posted by Ryan on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 13:16pm:
Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 14:17pm
Look, I 'm just trying to have a conversation here, leave out the references to this anon character. Not sure why you keep bringing him in.
Posted by Ryan on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 15:16pm
You're beyond pathetic, Michael.
Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 17:11pm
I do not understand how MY name is blocked, and yet he is allowed to repeat his rampages of stupidity as he so pleases.
Posted by LLIIAAMM on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 17:21pm
"is thinly veiled elitism - yes, yes it is. "-shawn
Posted by W on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 19:43pm
"You're beyond pathetic, Michael."
Posted by Ryan on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 20:17pm
"but I like to think I can smell bullshit, and most people reek of it." - W
Posted by L on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 04:10am
And Michael, stop trying to suck up.
Posted by L on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 04:12am
The cheerleader routine was lame the FIRST time. Now it's just annoying.
Posted by W on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 07:08am
I was not sucking up at all. On the contrary, I agreed with what he said, thats all, so I agreed. What should I have done? That expression comes to mind, damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Posted by Ryan on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 09:09am
"Epiphany is.." -shawn
Posted by shawn on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 10:24am
"What should I have done? That expression comes to mind, damned if you do and damned if you don't." - Michael
Posted by shawn on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 10:29am
Honestly, not the slightest clue what you are talking about. What's with inititiating all this hostility? Oh, btw the way, thanks for the definitions. Now, go look up "loser" - it will likely say someone with no life who obsesses over a music website and argues with strangers over petty nonsense using verbose and "flowery" language. Then it will have a picture of you with the name "Shawn." You asshole.
Posted by Ryan on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 10:48am
Try all you want to cram words in where they don't fit, but the usage is still incorrect. Let's read it together:
Posted by W on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 11:25am
Oh please Michael, the chances of a new person coming to this site so quickly after you were kicked off are minimal. That's forgetting about how obvious you make it with the general style of writing.
Posted by l i a m on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 13:33pm
I can't believe our original debate over time and an artist's historical relevance has been wittled down to this. For fu**'s sake.
Posted by shawn on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 19:23pm
William, despite presently wanting you tell you to bite it, I have much respect for you and would just as soon drop this argument that has turned curiously petty.
Posted by shawn on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 19:41pm
I'll repeat it Michael ---- fu**ing pathetic.
Posted by shawn on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 19:44pm
Man this place is sure intense considering its for what's supposed to be a pleasurable activity-the enjoyment of Rock & Roll!!!
Posted by Arrow Man on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 22:58pm
"I'm not gonna write any more here till I bring my high school English teacher and consult my lawyer for fear of a slander suit." -arrow
Posted by shawn on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 09:17am
"You may also want to consult your local forensic psychologist and music critic while you're at it."
Posted by l i a m on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 09:23am
Cohen's the only one I could be said to be happy about.
Posted by Kit on Tuesday, 12.25.07 @ 18:26pm
Actually Kit, there has been a rather big change of which you indirectly acted as a player.
Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 12.25.07 @ 19:29pm
Well don't I feel like the prettiest belle at the ball now. Went back and read this thread and apparently anon is banned. Well glory be.
Posted by Kit on Tuesday, 12.25.07 @ 20:23pm
Little Kit Cratchet's bad mouse aim has brought him back to our fold; 'tis truly a Christmas miracle. God bless us, everyone!
Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 12.25.07 @ 21:51pm
Ha, The Ventures got in, Kit, not Donna Summer. Shows how much you care. ;)
Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 00:58am
I hate insomnia. But I want to thank you boys. After reading this load of snore, I should be able to fall back to sleep with no problem.
Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 01:55am
Hey, Kit. Don't be surprised if said-familiar-someone starts spamming, or blindly attacking you.
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 07:32am
First off, been out of it for a few weeks. Reading over these posts, I gotta laugh. First off, I have nothing against Kit, so I will not be attacking him Liam. BTW, just to set the record - I was never "kicked off" of the site here - I chose to leave b/c it was getting lame and boring. In reading the posts I see that Liam continued his annoying banter with other bloggers and was even banned for awhile - oh, the irony.
Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 08:57am
"Shawn are you that much of geek that you write things like that." - some loner dork
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 09:08am
"they annoy everyone."
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 09:11am
Weren't you banned? Now wasn't that for a reason? Take a look in the mirror. And, don't speak for "everyone" because that is a lot of people...ass hole.
Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 09:19am
BTW, I do hate to admit it, but the homeless shelter comment was funny and I did laugh.
Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 09:20am
"they [some random shit about shawn] annoy everyone." - Anon
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 09:38am
"Weren't you banned? Now wasn't that for a reason?"
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 09:40am
I used the term loosely - you truly meant it.
Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 09:44am
"I used the term loosely"
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 09:52am
Actually Liam, ANON does peak the truth when he says that you don't speak for everyone. In fact, during the few months that I have perused this site, I have noticed that you are liked by very few. As I have said in previous comments, you certainly know music, however, that doesn't mean that your opinion holds sway over others. In fact, your opinions seem to have the opposite effect. Perhaps you don't realize it, but the opinions that you and your boys make do come off as a bit elitist. It seems that anyone who disagrees with you have zero knowledge about the subject matter being discussed. And if you don't get your way, you all tend to get a little offensive in your comments. And in doing so, those who you would look to have dialogue with only focus in on your attacks. I see that you went after someone on the GnR site because he challenged your choice of words. Perhaps you really do not wish to have dialogue accept with those who think like you do.
Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 09:59am
This is pathetic. You are Michael. This is how you've decided/reacted to go about doing this...really? Really? You're going to
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 10:04am
Thank you Dameon - he does not get that he comes off a bit rough on the edges, depsite that he does seem to possess a good working knoledge of music. Oh, well...and, yes Liam I READ that you were banned this morning / last night as I was reading through some of these posts since I was away for 2-3 weeks - I am not even sure where you were going with that one??
Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 10:04am
Hey Michael, could you have made it a bit more obvious that you are Dameon?
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 10:09am
Hey Shawm, it looks like Dameon was more in agreement with me. Reading your post is funny though, more flowery and annoying language. Shawn, the point here is that who cares?? - and I am sure the adminstrators could care less either- so please get a life. So, are you going to tell me that I am so terrrible, yet yourself and Liam have never had any run-ins with anyone? C'mon...and please stop with the flowery talk...it annoys me.
Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 10:15am
Yeah, I mean you copuld have at LEAST gotten "Anonymous" and "Dameon" to hi-5 each other or shout "POWER RANGER - UNITE!!!"
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 10:15am
Liam, I'm not so sure that is true. The aliases that are ridiculously obvious are so becuase of his easily identifiable voice, syntax, style; he's even so fu**ing clueless as to use indentical phrases sometimes. But if you get frantic and accuse every dissenting name as Michael, it plays into his stupid strategy of trying to confuse everybody to the point of madness. Dameon has been around since he and I disagreed on Def Leppard; I doubt Michael would be stupid enough to assume the name of an actual poster.
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 10:18am
You actually expect us to call you Anon and not Michael, you King Ass?
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 10:21am
Sorry if I believe it to be a BIT convenient for Dameon to pop-up and say hello, especially right now.
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 10:30am
Dameon is dameon.
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 10:37am
"how can you impress upon an idiot child the concepts of shame and humility?" - shawn
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 10:44am
Shawn, nice try, but you are wrong. You are the pathetic loser here. You should be ashamed, a man in his mid 40's arguing with people here on some cheesy blog - like a 12 year old. Pathetic.
Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 10:44am
I won't even bother arguing with that sh*t.
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 10:57am
If any of the admins want to give me a late Christmas present, they could block Michael's IP address before he continues to deface this website.
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 11:00am
"But, listen, would love to stay and chat, but I gotta get back to the shelter -"
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 11:36am
Gentlemen - I first commented on this board regarding Def Leppard's inclusion into the HoF discussion, for which I was thoroughy beaten on for by Shawn, Anon and one or two others. I do not know who Michael is, nor do I care. He's not me!! Also, I have no idea who Anon is and as he mentioned, he and I disagreed regarding D.L. I have no need to to get into some silly war with anyone on an internet site. I happen to love music and it seems that somewhere along the line, some of you forgot what music is. It is a form of expression and entertainment! How you want to view the various artists that provide it is clearly up to you. Not everyone is going to agree and to try and bang your opinions into someone else's head is a completely irrrational notion. At times, some of you sound like the knuckleheads that occupy the White House. I enjoy reading many of your comments regarding the bands that you love. I have learned from it and will actually give some bands that you have raved about another listen. But sometimes you all seem to comment just for the sake of pissing someone off. You present wonderful arguements about why you do or don't like a certain bands inclusion into this disaster called the HoF and then you throw away whatever creditability you have by ragging on someone else who offers a different viewpoint. You use vulgarity when there is no logical reason for it, especially you Liam. And that to me is very sad. Like I said, I hope you all had a great holiday and I do wish you a wonderful 2008.
Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 11:38am
"you throw away whatever creditability you have by ragging on someone else who offers a different viewpoint. You use vulgarity when there is no logical reason for it, especially you Liam."
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 11:47am
Look, Michael, you oozing sore of a human being: I am going to ask you, point blank, to answer this question directly: Are you denying that you were Michael first on the Rush page who argued with Kit, then Anon as of 2.4.07, as well as "A Rush Fan"?
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 12:26pm
Liam - I am sure fans come onto this site and go crazy for the bands they enjoy. And if they want to take a minute to write "RUSH ROCKS", or "KISS SUX" then let them be, no matter which side you are on. This type of site allows fans to at least believe that their opinion means something. And I have said before, Wenner and company could give a rat's arse about what the fan thinks. I have read your writings and can tell you possess a great amount of intelligence. You don't need to respond to the "fanboy" comments. Choose the dialogue that you feel will give you some interesting conversation and leave the b.s. alone. Conversing, while not always agreeing is not necessarily a bad thing. I got ripped for the fact that I defended the Leppards inclusion even though, IMO and using the Keltner List as a rating tool, D.L. would and should be included. I won't say for sure, but I believe Shawn, Casper and Kit thought I was out of my mind because of this. I am not sure if you chimed in or not. I also believe that I actually made the mistake of being a bit arrogant myself when discussing Patti Smith and I regret that. Even though I find her to be lacking any musical appeal or talent, I cannot deny her influence on the mid 70's scene which I was part of. Her inclusion was justified and who the hell am I to tell her fans that I thought she was a piece of dog manure. I should have just stated my opinion and let it go at that.
Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 12:27pm
Dameon; imagine all the fanboys rolled into one, then allowed to rot in their own self absorption for a few days, and then grown into a single being.
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 12:36pm
Liam - I believe they are called "trolls' on sites like this. Instead of engaging someone like this, then friggin ignore them. These are people who are looking and relishing your angry responses. They get some perverted kick out of it. If you ignore them, trust me, they get bored and go away. If you want to experience annoying trolls and antagonism just for the sake of it, go check out the fan message boards for the Yankee's and Red Sox. Trust me, you will see what I am talking about. There is a hundred years of hatred between these two fandooms. But believe it or not, when the trolls are ignored, you would be amazed at the intelligent dialogue that takes place between fans of these two bitter sports rivals.
Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 12:50pm
Dude, the image of me being a colostomy bag made me laugh out loud!
Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 12:50pm
Hey, you haven't experienced Anonymous to the full. Just wait 'til you see him for what he really is.
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 12:59pm
Been asked and answered.
Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 13:04pm
"cursing and behaving in ways no one would ever act in person."
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 13:15pm
No, I was merely making the point that we are all unknonwns both physically and in character and then you make some ironic statement about getting to "really" know someome here.
Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 13:25pm
"No, I was merely making the point that we are all unknonwns in character"
Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 13:34pm
I disagree, anononymity makes us all behave much differently than if we were speaking in person. Unless, Shawn is the type of guy that would go to his local store and call someone a colostomy bag :-)Maybe he would, but somehow I doubt it. BTW, where have you been?
Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 13:38pm
"No, I was merely making the point that we are all unknonwns in character" - Anonymous
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 13:38pm
"Def Leppard Rules!!!!!!!!!!! ;-}" - dameon
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 13:41pm
I got a better idea - why don't you all let this go. Trust me Liam, if Anon was a troll and wanted to egg me on, he couldn't. If a Red Sox troll canot get under my skin, no one can. Like I said before, there is no money in it for me. And Anon, let this die man. Like you said, no one knows who the other person is on this site. Therefore, the arguement of who said what just isn't important. I just think you guys have gotten so used to battling each other that you forgot how to have a decent dialogue.
Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 13:43pm
"I disagree, anononymity makes us all behave much differently than if we were speaking in person."
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 13:44pm
"Will someone please send Wenner copies of the following albums (showing my age):
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 13:48pm
"Been asked and answered." -Micahel
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 13:48pm
"I disagree, anononymity makes us all behave much differently than if we were speaking in person."
Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 13:53pm
"Therefore, the arguement of who said what just isn't important. I just think you guys have gotten so used to battling each other that you forgot how to have a decent dialogue." -dameon
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 13:55pm
Not needed Shawn - it is a pleasure to meet you in this cyber-world. And thanks for giving me my guilty pleasure. But I will say this again - Leppard was not part of the Hair Band scene. By the time all the 80's bands hit on their formula, they were trying to figure out how to keep Rick Allen and Steve Clark alive.
Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 13:55pm
"the drummer lost his f'n arm and they had the patience to stick by him and see what happens. If RnR is not about that, then I don't know what is."
Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 14:03pm
Apologies for re-using a joke, but I really enjoy the solo albums the arm put out.
Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 14:11pm
but I really enjoy the solo albums the arm put out.
Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 14:17pm
"just because I don't tell my friend that I would like to smash her back doors in doesn't mean I don't have that desire at some level"
Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 18:42pm
"Not me - I am not Michael Billinglsey or whatever his name was" - Michael
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 19:44pm
"That is exactly my point - on this site you WOULD say it, but in person, you might think it, but for a host of reasons would not say it - thats my only point..." -Michael
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 20:03pm
Dude, take it easy - holy shit what’s with the exclamation points. I was merely looking at the behavioral manifestation and saying that it is different that is all. I was making a simple point that people behave differently on this site than in real life. Whether or not the way they behave here is "more" representative of who that person really is, is questionable and a different subject matter. And, if you think that it is more representative of who that person is, well, then that's not good for you Shawn considering the rudeness and vulgarity and two, why is a person a their crudest who they "really" are?
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 23:58pm
Shawn and Anon - Please forgive me for interjecting but it has occurred to me that you will never get each other to admit to anything. So why are you trying? And unless you are going to try and find a way to meet face to face and have a go at it, what is the point of it all? You clearly don't like each other, so why are you wasting your time and energy trying to prove or disprove some point that will not effect either one of your lives. How about we move on to a different subject.
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 05:27am
Honestly Dameon - as much as Shawn and I go back and forth - for me at least it is really not that serious. I really cannot speak for Shawn on this, but somehow behind all the rudeness, I am sure he is trying to be funny, but who knows for sure - mb he is really that pissed off about -IDK. I mean he called me a colostomy bag, which for whatever reason the imagery of the whole thing is still making me laugh, and suggesting to me that he really does not take this that serious. Anyway, to answer your question, no opinion on Kings X.
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 06:57am
"Now, who is dumb?" - michael
Posted by shawn on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 09:57am
"Not me - I am not Michael Billinglsey or whatever his name was. If you "know me" by now, I am much too conscientious to make such blatant spelling errors." -Michael
Posted by shawn on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 11:50am
You are smart enough to be able to write all that diagnostic crap about social psychology; is that what we are to believe - that your intellect as a doctor was the source of your words? That's what you would have us belive and you assert?
Posted by shawn on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 11:56am
Shawn, I was not trying to "show off", but was merely pointing out what I think occurs here - that was it. It is a basic social psychology concept that I had remembered from some psych undergrad course from many, many years ago. Yes, it was well defined on the wiki web page, so I provided that definition - so what? Cutting and pasting is easier than typing unless of course one has endless free time, but since I have a family, a small business, mortgage, etc. I cannot spend endless time on this website.
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 16:32pm
"Shawn, I was not trying to "show off...I had remembered from some psych undergrad course from many, many years ago. Yes, it was well defined on the wiki web page, so I provided that definition - so what? Cutting and pasting is easier than typing... I cannot spend endless time on this website" - Michael
Posted by shawn on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 19:17pm
"And, Shawn has been "arguing" with William" - anon/michael
Posted by shawn on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 19:42pm
Shawn - you really need to calm down. I am not embarassed about anything. How ironic...how could I be embarassed when we are all anonymous. I think the point I made was valid. Who cares if I cut and paste the idea of deindividuation - it is really not a very complex concept - I was just lazy. Would you have felt better if I said that when there is anononymity, there is diffusion of self, and lowered inhibitions.
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 19:47pm
Michael, I have nothing more to say to you ever other than "Fu*k Off". I don't think I have ever met an individual as patheticLLY devoid of humility and character. You are an infected sore.
Posted by shawn on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 19:53pm
"I don't think I have ever met an individual as patheticLLY devoid of humility and character. You are an infected sore."
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 05:30am
Anon, I get the feeling that you really don't have much to say about music. You never seem to make any statements about it anymore. You don't appear to like any contemporary bands. You don't have an opinion on the 2008 inductions, even though that's what this topic is presumably about. At least shawn has something to say occasionally. Aren't there some psych message boards you can go troll?
Posted by Chuck on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 07:21am
Chuck (Shawn) I have plenty to say about music - I was merely responding to the bizarre notion that you "met" me ya weirdo.
Posted by Anon on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 07:40am
"I have plenty to say about music"...
Posted by l i a m on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 07:47am
Anon, you have painted a far more vivid portrait of yourself here than a physical "meeting" could provide. And it's not a pretty picture.
Posted by Chuck on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 07:56am
I have??? That is funny - Shawn you have painted a picture of yourself as a rude, hostile, vulgar and obsessed individual - look in the mirror. Now whether that reflects who you "really" are, I will never know and do not care to know.
Posted by Anon on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 08:23am
"Shawn you have painted a picture of yourself as a rude, hostile, vulgar and obsessed individual"
Posted by l i a m on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 08:27am
"Chuck (Shawn) I have plenty to say about music - I was merely responding to the bizarre notion that you "met" me ya weirdo." - asshole
Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 08:42am
"I like a lot of bands besides Rush - there is always "the Boss" from my home state of New Jersey." - shitstain
Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 08:51am
Just out of interest, which Supergrass and Happy Mondays albums do you own?
Posted by l i a m on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 08:52am
"Just out of interest, which Supergrass and Happy Mondays albums do you own?"
Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 09:06am
Those two are definitely jewels in their makers' crowns. They were indeed the right place to start.
Posted by l i a m on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 09:16am
shawn, I was wondering why you seem to hate Rush so much. I mean, I'm not really a fan but it's hard to deny that they've been influential, especially in Canada.
Posted by Brian on Sunday, 12.30.07 @ 00:34am
"I think people here are just go by the "I think they shouldn't be in, therefore they shouldn't" philosophy." - "Brian"
Posted by liam on Sunday, 12.30.07 @ 07:35am
No, once again whoosh over your head. What he is referring to is that if you personally do not like a band, so what? For many though they conclude, since I do not like this band, they should not get in. In other words he is questioning your objectivity as well as others. For example, I do not like the VU, but readily admit their influence and importance
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 12.30.07 @ 07:57am
Now we know that Shawn is from the Phoenix area and Mitch (ANON) is a Jersey boy and I was born and rasied in NYC; I was just wondering where you are from Liam?
Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 12.30.07 @ 08:09am
Posted by liam on Sunday, 12.30.07 @ 08:21am
Anon, the irony, and hypocrisy, of your entire last comment is that you made it: it was YOU who put in YOUR opinion of Iggy Pop, and punks in general, being f*ck ups; it was YOU who called Primal Scream, the Stone Roses, My Bloody Valentine, Happy Mondays and Dinosaur Jr. "shitty underground bands", simply because you'd failed to hear about them.
Posted by liam on Sunday, 12.30.07 @ 08:36am
"shawn, I was wondering why you seem to hate Rush so much. I mean, I'm not really a fan but it's hard to deny that they've been influential," -brian
Posted by shawn on Sunday, 12.30.07 @ 09:00am
The biggest names from the 50s and 60s not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame:
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 01.3.08 @ 07:04am
"Chubby Checker" -Roy
Posted by shawn on Thursday, 01.3.08 @ 08:25am
This may be a bad comparison, but in Baseball, there are two different voting groups. One of the Writers Assn. who vote on each years new nominees. There is also the Veteran's Bd. which is comprised of retired players that view those who have been passed over by the Writers and are no longer allowed to be nominated for the Writers vote. Would it not make sense for the RnR HoF to do something similiar? Maybe actual artists would have a different take on those who Wenner and company did not feel deserved inclusion.
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 01.3.08 @ 08:37am
"I wonder if Wenner would even consider such a thing?"
Posted by shawn on Thursday, 01.3.08 @ 13:48pm
I agree and I have no problem with outsourcing it, but I certainly would not go to another group of writers. I would still look to make up a committee based on Musicians who have already made the HoF. The last thing we need is more writers involved.
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 01.3.08 @ 14:03pm
"but I certainly would not go to another group of writers. I would still look to make up a committee based on Musicians who have already made the HoF. The last thing we need is more writers involved."
Posted by liam on Thursday, 01.3.08 @ 14:22pm
Yea, I was going to steer you to Pitchfork's site too, Dameon; after checking it out you may feel differently. I believe that PF would do a very admirable and exciting job of picking 2 goodn's each year; they'd make some choices that Wenner & Co. never would.
Posted by shawn on Thursday, 01.3.08 @ 14:44pm
I just checked out the web-site. Seems like they have a reasonably objective point of view, but I still have issues with writers/critics. But I will keep an eye on this site for the next few months and see if they are truly objective.
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 01.3.08 @ 17:37pm
I agree with you Dameon; as long as Wenner and his lackies are at the helm we will probably be infuriated one way or another year after year.
Posted by shawn on Thursday, 01.3.08 @ 20:26pm
I agree that not all writers/critics are pompous a-holes, but as a group, I have way too much mistrust in them.
Posted by Dameon on Friday, 01.4.08 @ 06:40am
You guys should check out the latest entry in "the Latest Rock Hall News" column titled "** Roger Friedman's Latest Rock Hall Screed", there on the left.
Posted by shawn on Friday, 01.4.08 @ 08:43am
I believe that all the charting musicians from the 1950s and early 1960s should be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, no matter who they are or how good they were or how many hits they had. They should all be inducted just because they were a part of the foundation of Rock & Roll.
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 01.5.08 @ 05:48am
I'm wondering what the order of induction will be.
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 01.5.08 @ 21:10pm
The 2008 Rock Hall Rundown
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 01.5.08 @ 21:13pm
Don't be shocked if she asks Bowie to induct her. He was her biggest influence.
Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 01.5.08 @ 23:51pm
The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 01.6.08 @ 05:24am
I completely forgot about David Bowie. Madonna gave the induction speech for him. Ya, it will probably be Bowie who gives the induction speech for Madonna.
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 01.6.08 @ 05:30am
"Balcony seating is between $2000.00-$3000.00 per person
Posted by liam on Sunday, 01.6.08 @ 09:42am
I think that the RnR HOF should induct the following people for 2009 despite their political views which I think prevented them from getting in the hall in the first place
Posted by Lance on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 10:08am
I have one band who's being snubbed is an insult
Posted by James on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 10:10am
"To me inducting John Mellencamp is the biggest mistake the hall ever made in its 20 years." - Lance
Posted by liam on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 10:29am
Leave Chubby alone - he may not be worthy, but he is a nice enough person who did give us the Twist.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 11:16am
"As for John Mellencamp - I am not really understanding his induction. I really don't care one way or another, but I really don't see where he did anything special." -dameon
Posted by shawn on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 11:37am
Shawn - Are you in a battling mood today? There is one difference between Mellencamp and D.L. and that is the fact that D.L. did dominate for a short period of time where Mellencamp didn't.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 12:12pm
Jeezus Dameon, who is trying to "dominate a blog"? I was just commenting back on your post; you do understand how this works right? It's not just a forum for one person's soliloquies.
Posted by shawn on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 15:02pm
Shawn - I am not the one who brought Def Leppard up in this conversation. I made no mention of them in my initial comments regarding Mellencamp. You are the one who brought D.L. into this conversation. As I mentioned, you made your point regarding D.L. a long time ago. I made no attempt to base an arguement for D.L. on my Mellencamp comment.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 16:36pm
One last thing - I don't make ignorant comments. I may make a comment that is factually incorrect; then someone corrects me and I say thanks. But if I don't know something, I either ask a question or I just keep my mouth shut. So I repeat, I do not make comments based on ignorance.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 16:56pm
Thank you, Lance, for opening up the idea of a list of worthies. My list:
Posted by Joe on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 21:01pm
Okay, add Heart to my list.
Posted by Joe on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 21:04pm
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01.8.08 @ 10:06am
Madonna is not rock, she is as much pop/dance as Donna Summer who can sing much better than Madge. You guys got it wrong, also Donna Summer won a grammy for Best Female Rock Performance with Hot Stuff. Back then that was as much rock as a contemporary female could get. DO NO PIDGEON HOLE yesteryears dance pop performers, disco lives in rock, and I am not sugar coating that fact. Many honest rockers will agree!!!!!
Posted by ron on Tuesday, 01.8.08 @ 11:23am
Very cool - thank you, Roy.
Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 01.8.08 @ 16:37pm
Hey Gang! Madonna is in, so let's get over it and move on. She is in! Later.
Posted by Steven on Tuesday, 01.8.08 @ 21:52pm
Is the Writers STRIKE going to effect the Rock Hall Induction Ceremony?
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01.9.08 @ 13:18pm
Good question, Roy... really. I see where the Golden Globes have benn cancelled because of the strike.
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 01.9.08 @ 13:54pm
The WGA only represents writers for film and television. The induction ceremony shouldn't be affected.
Posted by William on Wednesday, 01.9.08 @ 13:57pm
But the ceremony being televised (albeit VH1)doesn't apply to television writers?
Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 01.9.08 @ 16:33pm
It's not really "television." It's a ceremony/show that just so happens to be televised. There's not a story or scripted dialogue, and as far as I know, the presenters have always written their own speeches.
Posted by William on Wednesday, 01.9.08 @ 22:49pm
I understand at that seems perfectly reasonable to me..... so why have the Golden Globe Awards, which operate under the same situation you point out, been cancelled?
Posted by shawn on Thursday, 01.10.08 @ 00:07am
Because the WGA was threatening to picket the ceremony and the Screen Actors' Guild is showing solidarity.
Posted by William on Thursday, 01.10.08 @ 00:11am
I made a big mistake! Sorry!
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 01.10.08 @ 16:43pm
This is where you will be able to watch the 2008 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Posted by Roy on Monday, 01.14.08 @ 13:59pm
MY FINAL INDUCTION SPEECHES PREDICTIONS:
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01.15.08 @ 05:47am
Digital Dream Door
Posted by Roy on Friday, 01.25.08 @ 08:06am
The complete biographies of all the 2008 Inductees have been posted on www.rockhall.com
Posted by Roy on Friday, 01.25.08 @ 18:58pm
The overall important thing here is that the truly ground-breaking and most popular acts remaining from the '60s and '70s should have been inducted by now.
Posted by Walter on Tuesday, 02.5.08 @ 15:52pm
"The overall important thing here is that the truly ground-breaking and most popular acts remaining from the '60s and '70s should have been inducted by now."
Posted by Liam on Wednesday, 02.6.08 @ 10:26am
Remember what The Digital Dream Door said about Leonard Cohen last year?:
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02.9.08 @ 06:31am
I can't wait any longer!
Posted by Roy on Monday, 02.11.08 @ 13:53pm
I noticed that The Church isn't even listed on the "complete" artist list. I really liked "Under The Milky Way" and "Reptile", but haven't heard anything else that I'm aware of. Anything else worth pursuing???
Posted by Terry on Saturday, 02.16.08 @ 15:24pm
Wasn't Afrika Bambaata biggest hit basically sampled from Kraftwerk? They should be in there before he is.
Posted by Stephen on Saturday, 02.16.08 @ 21:14pm
Has Madonna stated why she won't be performing????????
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 02.24.08 @ 15:37pm
This is starting to look more and more like it will be Leonard Cohen's music performed in the All-Star Jam at the end of the ceremony. Maybe that's what Madonna wants!
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 02.24.08 @ 15:42pm
Well, the inductions are coming soon and we will then be able to start up conversation for next year. I have a question which I put out to everyone. What do you feel are the five biggest ommissions so far in the history of the RnRHoF?
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 06:26am
Posted by Roy on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 08:10am
I like the Bernie Taupin choice. Without him, does Elton exist? The Monkees are my guilty pleasure. They are bashed for being fabricated, but if you look into the history of Motown, you will see that a lot of that success was due to the genius of Berry Gordy, the songwriting of Smokey Robinson and the musicianship of the Funk Brothers. Yet may people hold the Supremes, the Temps and 4 Tops in as high esteem as they do many of our beloved Rock bands. So why are the Monkees any different than them? Thanks for your opinions Roy.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 08:27am
THIS SUCKS!!! WHY ISN'T THE ROCK HALL GOING TO BE SHOWN ON SPINNER.COM THIS YEAR??
Posted by Roy on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 10:17am
Lets see, I'm gonna go back a ways here;
Posted by Terry on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 10:27am
I'll be taking the top five from my list; namely Kraftwerk, The Stooges, Joy Division, Brian Eno and King Crimson (in that order).
Posted by Liam on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 12:14pm
Posted by Terry on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 12:31pm
Lol, sure! I'll repost it here for convenience:
Posted by Liam on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 12:51pm
Liam - 5 or 50; who is counting. I agree with a lot that is on your list, but I have a feeling some of them will not see the light of day with Wenner and Company. If I was to make a top 50, we would probably agree on a good % of them; especially The Jam, XTC, NY Dolls, The Cure, The Stooges and T. Rex. I also hope the "Ska" bands are given a chance to shine one day.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 14:13pm
Thanks Dameon, that was a bit stupid of me! I completely forgot about those two, and would ofcourse have them in my list. I'd throw them both into either Block 3 or 4.
Posted by Liam on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 14:20pm
EDIT: ..."Damned Damned Damned" line-up...
Posted by Liam on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 14:21pm
And yet again I forget New Order....jeez!
Posted by Liam on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 14:25pm
Dameon...I want to steal that multi-necked Hamer from Rick Neilsen....lol!!!!
Posted by Terry on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 14:28pm
Liam...how am I supposed to copy all this if you keep forgetting artists....lol
Posted by Terry on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 14:29pm
Don't worry, Terry.
Posted by Liam on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 14:34pm
Liam/Terry - There was the supposed supergroup, "Lords of the New Church" which was Stiv Bators (Dead Boys), Brian James (The Damned), Dave Tregunna (Sham 69) and Nicky Turner (Barracuda)that formed in 1982. I think they disbanded in 89. I was a huge fan from day one with this band. I was checking my vinyl, so I know of at least three studio albums; but I also think they have a "live" album. I think Stiv died a year after the break-up. I thought Bators and James made a great team, mixing pieces and ideas of different genres together. Kind of like an unholy offspring of the NY Dolls and The Clash.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 15:57pm
Were they influential at all?
Posted by Liam on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 16:10pm
Not particularly; I cannot really say. You would probably know better than me. - I just really liked them and thought they had a bit of a different sound.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 16:24pm
Not aware of them to be honest. I'll give them a look some time.
Posted by Liam on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 16:26pm
I'd say they were a bit influential, since they kind of started playing music that seemed to be a little darker than the norm at the time, and influenced others to do so. I don't know if the term "Goth" is appropriate, but they seemed headed in that direction. People (who don't know) say The Cure were Goth, but they're music wasn't all that dark, they just looked the part a bit. That's about the extent of my knowledge of them...I thought they were a very good group.
Posted by Terry on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 16:29pm
OK, I'll definitely check em out now!
Posted by Liam on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 16:34pm
I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised by what you here with The Lords of the New Church.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 16:48pm
Dameon and Terry, are you both aware of The Birthday Party and/or Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds?
Posted by Liam on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 16:55pm
Liam...I'm going to check them both out tonight, plus add The Lords to my library...I had kinda forgot about them, thanks for jarring my memory Dameon!
Posted by Terry on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 18:46pm
A song called "Rather Lovely Thing" by Nick Cave...I remember hearing that in the new "Jesse James" movie! Real mood setting stuff!
Posted by Terry on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 18:56pm
okay, you got me...I listened to a song called "If I Had Known" by the Bad Seeds...good stuff!!!
Posted by Terry on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 19:00pm
Prepare for a shock when you hear The Birthday Party...
Posted by Liam on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 19:08pm
Just listened to a song called "The Friend Catcher"...cool stuff, I really like it!
Posted by Terry on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 19:14pm
Justin Timberlake will be inducting Madonna at the 2008 ceremony...
Posted by Future Rock Legends on Tuesday, 02.26.08 @ 12:20pm
"Besides Timberlake and Madonna, pairings of presenters and honorees (who were originally announced Dec. 13), include presenter Lou Reed and honoree Leonard Cohen; Tom Hanks and the Dave Clark Five (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, Rick Huxley, Denis Payton and Mike Smith); Billy Joel and John Mellencamp; and John Fogerty and the Ventures (Bob Bogle, Nokie Edwards, Gerry McGee, Mel Taylor and Don Wilson)."
Posted by Future Rock Legends on Tuesday, 02.26.08 @ 12:39pm
Nice, can't wait to see Louie baby induct LC.
Posted by Chalkie on Tuesday, 02.26.08 @ 13:33pm
Where are you getting all this information about the names of the artists who will be giving the induction speeches?
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02.26.08 @ 13:40pm
Look a few comments above this one. You will see a post by "Future Rock Hall" who I assumed is the Web Adm. for this site.
Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 02.26.08 @ 15:08pm
Liam, Dameon, Blue, and anyone else who agrees with Blue's recent comment...there's an article in the body of this page you should be interested in reading;
Posted by Terry on Tuesday, 02.26.08 @ 17:49pm
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Announces Presenters
Posted by Albert on Tuesday, 02.26.08 @ 17:50pm
I thought this was an interesting statement...
Posted by Terry on Tuesday, 02.26.08 @ 18:32pm
This is hillarious!! BESTBUY.COM will be streaming the 2008 ROCK HALL. It's not mentioned yet anywhere on their site! Do you know when they will start to mention it? Will the show be directly on BESTBUY.COM, the main page??
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02.26.08 @ 19:35pm
Do you have to have an online account or screen name with BESTBUY in order to watch the show on their site? In other words, do we have to log in?? Do we have to pay??
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02.26.08 @ 19:56pm
Roy...from everything I've heard they're just going to do some sort of simulcast. Didn't hear anything about it costing extra. Have you checked "VH-1 Classic"s website? Seems like they might, too. It seems like they have in the past but not sure.
Posted by Terry on Tuesday, 02.26.08 @ 20:32pm
I'm guessing this is a marketing tactic. I'm imagining all the BEST BUY stores in North America showing the 2008 Rock Hall ceremony on all the TV screens they have on display for sale. The stores will all be flooded with people watching the show, and buying products. BEST BUY closes at 10PM. LOL
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02.26.08 @ 21:27pm
Hey, Dameom...I put all three Lords albums into my Rhapsody library..really good to hear it again!!
Posted by Terry on Wednesday, 02.27.08 @ 08:41am
Justin "ex Mickey Mouse Club and NSYNC" Timberlake was really the best they could summon to present supposed icon and chameleon Madonna with her honor? What happened to the hope of David Bowie showing up?
Posted by Blue on Wednesday, 02.27.08 @ 09:34am
I have to agree with you on every point. The HoF loses more prestige every year and seems to be entering into the "Who Cares" world of music.
Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 02.27.08 @ 14:21pm
12 MORE DAYS!!
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02.27.08 @ 15:41pm
The only rumor I've heard besides the ones mentioned is that Springsteen might step in for Mike Smith of the DC5 and do his vocals...supposedly discussed it at a show at the same place in London where Zeppelin did their show (like I said, just a rumor). That might pump some life into the "festivities". Like I mentioned before, its a shame...Mike Smith would love to perform, but can't...
Posted by Terry on Wednesday, 02.27.08 @ 18:45pm
I hear Tom Hanks Is doing it for the Dave Clark 5...I wonder what prompted that? Tom Hanks was pretty young in their heyday.
Posted by Terry on Wednesday, 02.27.08 @ 19:18pm
I guess The Dave Clark Five don't have any fans in the music business!
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02.27.08 @ 19:22pm
Roy...It does seem like the music industry has a pretty short memory anymore...they haven't learned the old saying "how can you know where you're going if you don't know where you've been?.
Posted by Terry on Wednesday, 02.27.08 @ 19:25pm
After some of the "follies" I've read about in the induction process, it seems like one person...Jann Wenner...has ultimate say on who gets inducted. I'm sure he had NO problem inducting himself!
Posted by Terry on Wednesday, 02.27.08 @ 19:29pm
Putting "YES" into the Roll Hall of Fame is way over due.
Posted by Campbell on Wednesday, 02.27.08 @ 20:33pm
Springsteen has his own show that night on Long Island. It's unlikely he could be in both places simultaneously.
Posted by Albert on Wednesday, 02.27.08 @ 20:52pm
Might be rough...lol!!! Well, thats rumors for ya!! Sounds like its gonna be a bit of a dull evening...
Posted by Terry on Wednesday, 02.27.08 @ 21:03pm
"I hear Tom Hanks Is doing it for the Dave Clark 5...I wonder what prompted that?"
Posted by Blue on Wednesday, 02.27.08 @ 23:03pm
Blue...good point. That movie was even based on about the same time.
Posted by Terry on Thursday, 02.28.08 @ 06:33am
Mike Smith, lead singer of the Dave Clark Five, passed away today.
Posted by Future Rock Legends on Thursday, 02.28.08 @ 14:40pm
FINALLY, THE 2008 ROCK HALL TV COMMERCIAL
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02.28.08 @ 21:17pm
Roy...I'd be surprised if VH-1 Classic isn't showing it on their website...it seems like they have in the past, just not sure if it's live or not. It's a drag you don't have VH-1 classic, not a bad channel...
Posted by Terry on Thursday, 02.28.08 @ 21:28pm
The show will be live!
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02.28.08 @ 21:41pm
Cool...sounds like you're set, then. I guess the events of today kind of put a different spin on this year's ceremonies...
Posted by Terry on Thursday, 02.28.08 @ 21:57pm
Will we know the order of inductions before the night of the ceremony, and which indutee's music will be played in the all-star jam at the end?
Posted by Roy on Friday, 02.29.08 @ 09:53am
The 2008 Rock Hall page is now up on bestbuy.com
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 07:54am
Future Rock Hall broke the story that Madonna would not be performing at the Induction Ceremony, and now we learn that perpetual Rock Hall snubs, Iggy & the Stooges will be the ones to play some Madonna songs.
Posted by Future Rock Legends on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 13:09pm
HOLY CRAP!! MAJOR CHANGES!!
Posted by Roy on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 20:28pm
What about The Dave Clark Five?
Posted by Roy on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 20:32pm
Madonna being inducted by Justin Timberlake; performance by Iggy Pop and The Stooges (THEY MUST BE PISSED!)
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 22:03pm
That should be worth the price of admission!!!
Posted by Terry on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 22:39pm
Roy, what are you going to do with yourself after this is over? You're going to go into Leonard Cohen withdrawal.
Posted by mel on Tuesday, 03.4.08 @ 08:21am
About the 2008 Inductees, mel wrote:
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 03.4.08 @ 13:44pm
Wtf? Weird Al? You'll be waiting a long time.
Posted by mel on Tuesday, 03.4.08 @ 15:04pm
Rolling Stone has learned that Joan Jett will be performing for the Dave Clark Five at Monday's Induction Ceremony.
Posted by Future Rock Legends on Wednesday, 03.5.08 @ 12:32pm
My nomination list for next year:
Posted by Liam on Saturday, 03.8.08 @ 10:22am
"The problem is, you've got a bunch of people who know a lot about music on the (nominating) committee, but then you have a lot of people doing the voting who don't."-Dave Marsh
Posted by Terry on Sunday, 03.9.08 @ 08:41am
For live updates during the Induction Ceremony tonight, keep refreshing http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog.php
Posted by Future Rock Legends on Monday, 03.10.08 @ 18:11pm
If someone doesn't jump on stage right now and punch Timberlake in the face, I am going to be very upset.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 03.10.08 @ 20:04pm
Too late, Dameon...he already inducted himself, I think in 2004. Kind of a lame show, huh???
Posted by Terry on Monday, 03.10.08 @ 20:12pm
Lame is not the word. What was Timberlake doing? Even worse, Madonna's speech was horrible. As for the Stooges, if this was Madonna's idea of getting the Hall to start acknowledging them, I applaud her. But that performance didn't do it for me.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 03.10.08 @ 20:56pm
Hey, Dameon...I thought the Dave Clark 5 segment was the best part of the telecast by far. Tom Hanks was, well, Tom Hanks!! The speeches seemed very heartfelt, and the performances of both songs were very good. Nice to see other hall of famers paying homage.
Posted by Terry on Monday, 03.10.08 @ 22:05pm
I like some of Madonna's songs but rock and roll?? wtf this takes all the meaning and honour out of it for me. I won't ever even bother to go to the museum now. Why can't pop artists have there own bloody hall of fame. Rap , pop, country etc..are all good genre's of music but they are not rock and roll! If anyone with a microphone can get in then what's so special about it?
Posted by Juju on Wednesday, 03.12.08 @ 12:38pm
Posted by Metalsmith on Wednesday, 03.12.08 @ 12:47pm
After this year I think they should call a one-year moratorium on trying to expand the mission of the hall, and give us just one all rock and roll, all famous class. They could induct KISS, Jethro Tull, The Stooges, Alice Cooper, Deep Purple, Metallica and Motörhead and then go back to filling the hall with all the pop, country, blues, folk, jazz and rap artists they want.
Posted by Wayne on Saturday, 03.15.08 @ 03:15am
Hello ~ I am a Founding Member of the RRHOF and first time poster. Regarding the obvious omission of certain artists and groups, we cannot neglect the effects of 'politics' and who you know. Regarding why certain groups or artists are inducted, looking at the foundation of ROCK AND ROLL will help. Genres included are:
Posted by Karen on Saturday, 03.15.08 @ 07:57am
Who I would like to see inducted into the RRHOF:
Posted by Karen on Tuesday, 03.18.08 @ 02:40am
While watching the voting and seeing the list of artists that people deem "worthy", I came up with a great idea...lets just put EVERYBODY in the HoF and have a ceremony every year to see who gets KICKED OUT!!! Makes as much sense as some of the artists who get "yes" votes!
Posted by Terry on Tuesday, 03.18.08 @ 21:09pm
Shut up Terry. I am so tired of this stupid line of thought. Were you the one who said he thinks only 30-40 artists are actually worthy?
Posted by Blue on Tuesday, 03.18.08 @ 22:37pm
That was me...don't remember asking or caring what you think, and I'm entirely the WRONG person to be telling to "shut up". Of course, people can get pretty brave when they're nameless and faceless! Instead of "blue" you should call yourself "yellow"! I give my opinion, and certainly don't tell anyone else how to think!! I suggest when it comes to me you keep your opinions to yourself!!
Posted by Terry on Tuesday, 03.18.08 @ 23:15pm
I don't remember giving a shit whether you think this forum is your own mastubatory pulpit or you understand that what you say might elicit a response you may or may not care to engage. Why so delicate, flower? Do you enjoy gazing into your little makeup mirror and talking to yourself without challenge at home too?
Posted by Blue on Wednesday, 03.19.08 @ 09:10am
Terry, I think our exchange got oddly out of hand at Mach 5. I've read your posts for a while and actually find you agreeable. Sorry I told you to shut up; shoulda delivered my opinion without that.
Posted by Blue on Wednesday, 03.19.08 @ 09:54am
"Do you enjoy gazing into your little makeup mirror and talking to yourself without challenge at home too?"
Posted by Liam on Wednesday, 03.19.08 @ 12:37pm
"I do think the paradigm of 'exclusivity' that you and William tilt towards is ultimately a dead end that would give a HoF a prognosis of death.
Posted by William on Wednesday, 03.19.08 @ 14:26pm
"If you want that, then remove induction altogether. Remove the showy exhibitions, and just fill the walls with biographies on every band out there." - W
Posted by Blue on Wednesday, 03.19.08 @ 15:01pm
A Hall Of Fame with only Leonard Cohens in it would be like a football Hall Of Fame with nobody that the masses ever heard of. It would flop faster than Pam Anderson's last marriage. Imagine a dad with his kids going in and asking, "Excuse me, but where can I find the Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana exhibits?" Then the curator replies, "Sorry, we don't have Terry Bradshaw or Joe Montana in this museum. They didn't design the football or invent the goalposts. Those are the only type of folks we have here." That would be one mad dad...magnify that by 1000s of pissed off disappointed people who realize they traveled all the way for next to nothing and what do you get....
Posted by Arrow Man on Wednesday, 03.19.08 @ 23:20pm
There is a point where the comparison between music and sports breaks down, and that's definitely past that point. Sports achievements are based on purely objective criteria, statistics which can be measured. Measuring influence and innovation in music isn't impossible, but it's not as easy as writing down a number.
Posted by William on Thursday, 03.20.08 @ 00:28am
"There is a point where the comparison between music and sports breaks down, and that's definitely past that point." -W
Posted by Blue on Thursday, 03.20.08 @ 10:17am
"You want a Hall full of just Sonic Youths and Flaming Lips and Joy Divisions and Arcade Fires? They all belong, but you have to have the Doobie Brothers and Steve Miller Bands and Alice Coopers and KISS's, and all the rest of the so-called "leftover" acts to make it a healthy and interesting museum to travel to and creation to pay attention to."
Posted by Liam on Thursday, 03.20.08 @ 13:31pm
Liam, you and I would be in agreement on how to run a Rock Hall 95% of the time were we a part of its Legion of Doom. I concur heartily with your thoughts there, mate.
Posted by Blue on Thursday, 03.20.08 @ 16:18pm
Im still waiting for Cheap Trick to get in....they have been together and still recording than most of the bands that have gotten in.....Im totally disgusted with the voting committee.....Ive seen the future nominees..are you all on crack??? The Smashing Pumpkins?? who the hell do you think influenced them??CHEAP TRICK...and they will get in before them?? smoke another one guys.......maybe the fans should pick
Posted by TrkZep66 on Thursday, 03.27.08 @ 00:45am
WHY IS JOHNNY MASTERO NOT IN THE HALL OF FAME?
Posted by JOHN ROSSI on Wednesday, 04.9.08 @ 21:27pm
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