The 2008 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

The 2008 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were announced on September 27th. For the second consecutive year, only nine nominees were named, and of those, five will be inducted.

Cast your 2008 ballot here!

Future Rock Legends correctly predicted six of the nine nominees for 2008.

Much more on the 2008 nominations in the FRH Blog.

Here are your official 2008 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees (all quotes from the official press release):

  • Afrika Bambaataa "began DJing at block parties in the Bronx in 1977 with the help of Universal Zulu Nation, an organization he founded to help pull Bronx youth away from gangs. Bambaataa’s stunning knowledge of obscure funk grooves and his turntable skills earned him the nickname “Master of Records.” As his parties grew, so did his Zulu Nation – which soon encompassed the Bronx’s finest rappers, break dancers and graffiti artists. In 1982, Bambaataa released the Kraftwerk-sampling hit single “Planet Rock” which spawned an entirely new genre of music: electro funk. In 1984, he teamed up with former Sex Pistol John Lydon for “World Destruction” one of the earliest examples of rap fusing with rock and roll."
    Current Induction Chances: 29%

  • Beastie Boys "began as a hardcore punk band in 1982, but soon jumped to the city’s vibrant rap scene. Their Rick Rubin-produced album, Licensed to Ill, was a masterful collage of classic rock samples, pop culture references and bratty attitude. Its fifth single, “(You Gotta) Fight For Your Right (To Party)” became an MTV staple and the party anthem of the 1980s. The Beasties’ follow up, 1989’s Paul’s Boutique was a critically loved masterwork of sampling. In the 1990s, they became elder statesmen of the genre, scoring monster hits (“Sabotage”, “Intergalatic”) while speaking out about social and political issues such as the Tibetan Freedom Concerts. In 2007, the Beasties released The Mix-Up, a post-punk instrumental album further showcasing their boundless originality."
    Current Induction Chances: 82%

  • Chic "was a pioneering New York jazz-funk group led by Nile Rodgers on guitar, Bernard Edwards on bass and Tony Thompson on drums. Chic brought refined musicianship and rhythmic innovation to 1970s disco, and also laid the foundation for hip hop, with their song “Good Times” providing the music for the groundbreaking hit “Rapper’s Delight.” Chic created some of the disco era’s classic songs such as “Dance, Dance, Dance (Yowsah, Yowsah, Yowsah)” and “Le Freak.” Rodgers and Edwards went on to write and produce some of the ’80s’ biggest pop songs for Madonna, David Bowie, Mick Jagger, Diana Ross, Sister Sledge, and others."
    Current Induction Chances: 46%

  • Leonard Cohen "With the 1966 release of In My Life by Judy Collins, containing Leonard Cohen’s “Suzanne” and “Dress Rehearsal Rag,” Cohen became a folk rock icon of the singer songwriter movement. Already an acclaimed poet and novelist in his native Canada, Cohen moved to New York in 1967 and released his classic album Songs of Leonard Cohen on Columbia Records. Its music launched Leonard Cohen into the highest and most influential echelon of songwriters. Cohen’s elegiac work is widely used in film and covered by artists from Jeff Buckley to Bono to Bob Dylan to R.E.M. As Kurt Cobain said, 'Give me a Leonard Cohen afterworld so I can sigh eternally.'"
    Current Induction Chances: 64%

  • The Dave Clark Five "topped the UK charts in 1965 with their iconic pop song “Glad All Over.” Thundering production set the DC5 apart. Their slick melodic sensibility masked their boom factor: The DC5 were the loudest group in the U.K. until the advent of The Who. Drummer, songwriter and manager Dave Clark provided a perfect foundation for Mike Smith’s soulful vocals. Reaching the Top Forty 17 times in just three years, with more appearances on the Ed Sullivan show than the Beatles or the Rolling Stones, the DC5 were an enormous pop phenomenon before disbanding in 1970. The Dave Clark Five have sold more than 50 million records worldwide to date."
    Current Induction Chances: 42%

  • Madonna "Doors opened wide for Madonna Louise Ciccone in 1982, after five years as a singer and dancer on New York City’s competitive club circuit. She signed with Sire Records (her label for the next 14 years) where her idiosyncratic persona exploded onto turntables, dance floors and airwaves and captured the imagination of the first generation of MTV viewers. She went on to become the top female star of the 1980s with seven #1 hits, three #1 albums and seventeen top ten hits in that decade. In addition to molding her public image, Madonna is a meticulous studio craftsperson and completely uninhibited stage performer. From her first #1, 1984’s “Like A Virgin” (produced by Nile Rogers of Chic) to her most recent two year Confessions campaign, Madonna remains one of the most ferociously original artists in music today."
    Current Induction Chances: 83%

  • John Mellencamp "has become a symbol of the hopes, struggles and passions of America’s heartland. As a songwriter, many of his efforts have transcended “hit” status (“Hurts So Good,” “Pink Houses,” “I Need A Lover”) and have entered the cultural vernacular. Mellencamp’s musical heart is in his ballads and rock numbers rooted in late 50s and early 60s rock and roll. His music describes the American experience; the hopes and fears of the common everyman. As co-founder of Farm Aid, Indiana’s favorite son gives voice to issues that might otherwise be ignored, from our disappearing farmlands to the role of race and class in America."
    Current Induction Chances: 62%

  • Donna Summer "Raised in the church, rooted in gospel, LaDonna Andrea Gaines would become Donna Summer, the undisputed “Queen of Disco.” In 1975, “Love To Love You Baby” began a long-term association with Munich-based songwriters and producers Giorgio Moroder and Pete Bellotte. Summer made history from 1979-1980 as the only artist ever to have three consecutive multi disc albums all hit #1: Live and More, Bad Girls and On The Radio. Her first U.S. recorded LP, the self-titled Donna Summer, produced by Quincy Jones in 1982 featured Bruce Springsteen and other notable rock contributors. “She Works Hard For The Money” kept Summer at the top of the charts in 1983, followed by the top 10 hit “This Time I Know It’s Real” in 1989. Endless covers and sampling of her music proves that Summers’ contribution remains compelling and classic."
    Current Induction Chances: 65%

  • The Ventures "defined instrumental guitar rock in the 1960s. Their hits bookended the decade, from 1960’s “Walk Don’t Run” to 1969’s “Hawaii Five-O.” Nokie Edwards’ twang-guitar and the crisp rhythm of Don Wilson, bassist Bob Bogle and drummer Mel Taylor gave every Ventures album their trademark bent note sound. Long admired by other bands like the Beatles (and especially George Harrison), Stephen Stills, Joe Walsh, Aerosmith, and others, The Ventures hit the Billboard chart nearly three dozen times in the 1960s. The transparent stereo mixes enabled guitarists to isolate and learn every riff, an idea that fueled 1965’s essential instruction LP Play Guitar With The Ventures. Founders of surf rock, The Ventures inspired a classic line of Mosrite guitars and have maintained a flourishing touring and recording career for decades, especially in Europe and Japan."
    Current Induction Chances: 46%

The Rock Hall voting committee will now cast their ballots with five names to determine the winners, which will be announced in January, 2008. The inductees will be honored at the annual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Ceremony on March 10th, 2008.

Artists are eligible for the Rock Hall 25 years after releasing their first record.

* The "Current Induction Chances" represent the artist's odds of ever being inducted into the Hall of Fame, as calculated by Future Rock Legends and its users.

Future Rock Legends forecasts which of today's artists will be the next generation's Rock & Roll Hall of Famers by using a combination of historically predictive criteria, user votes, and nomination patterns.

Future Rock Legends lists eligible artists by first year of eligiblity or alphabetically.

This is where you will find the 2008 Inductees after they are announced on December 13, 2007.

This site is not affiliated in any way with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum or the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation.

Comments

338 comments so far (post your own)

I much prefer the list of predictions compiled by this site. This list is seriously underwhelming.

I'm saddened and disheartened.

I tip my glass of milk to Metallica, Depeche Mode, Peter Gabriel, Hall & Oates, Kraftwerk, Joy Division, Tom Waits and so many others. You are in my hall of fame, and I'm glad all over DC5 is not.

Posted by Matt. on Thursday, 09.27.07 @ 21:22pm


I can't even vote five times! My fingers refuse to click more than the Beasties and Madonna. Rock Hall 2008, party of two.

This is ouuuuur coountray!

Posted by Matt. on Thursday, 09.27.07 @ 21:26pm


Leonard Cohen and The Ventures are fabulous surprises, but 5 of 9 nominations going to disco/rap is a few tooooo many.................

Posted by SG on Thursday, 09.27.07 @ 23:06pm


Well, I think we now have conclusive proof that some of the nominators read this site. I mean, there was a fuckin' deluge of Ventures posts right around the time they convened. :/

Leonard Cohen's a nice surprise (can you say MOVIE?), but where's Metallica/Sonic Youth? WTF? It's so obvious there's politics at play here.

Springsteen-ness: They outright mention that he worked with Donna Summer and Mellencamp is obviously a devotee.

Chic: Bruce likes the Chic, but did they REALLY have to give them a shoutout in the Madonna blurb. Seriously skewed.

This definitely proved my theory correct that The Stooges finished a dismal 8th place last year. Cleared from the ballot along with Joe Tex.


I'd vote for:

1) Leonard Cohen
2) Beastie Boys
3) Afrika Bambaataa
4) Madonna
5) Chic - Seems like the least offensive of the lot. DC5/Ventures are truly minor 60's acts, I won't open a can of worms with the Mellencamp argument...Donna Summer is just plain confusing, inconsistent career with some forgettable highlights.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 01:06am


I only see 2 Ventures posts on this site-both from 1-8-07.

"The Ventures hit the Billboard chart nearly three dozen times in the 1960s"


"Reaching the Top Forty 17 times in just three years, with more appearances on the Ed Sullivan show than the Beatles or the Rolling Stones, the DC5 were an enormous pop phenomenon before disbanding in 1970. The Dave Clark Five have sold more than 50 million records worldwide to date."

DC5/Ventures don't seem like minor 60's acts to me.



1) Leonard Cohen
2)Beastie Boys
3)Ventures
4)DC5
5)Mellencamp

Posted by SG on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 01:29am


My bad, the Ventures stuff was over on that RateItAll list....their score was hugely inflated lately with a ton of generic posts (similar to the SRV stuff we see now and then here)...

Posted by Casper on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 02:25am


To further clarify, their fans basically spammed that site and the band shot up to nearly the top of the "who should be inducted" ranking...meanwhile, there was a massive campaign to contact the Hall, etc...

Posted by Casper on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 02:31am


Love the Afrika Bambaataa nomination... Definitely lays the groundwork for letting in the next generation of hall of famers. You gotta get the pioneers in while you have the chance.

Looks like the Beastie Boys and Madonna are going to have to provide the fireworks at the induction ceremony. Without them, wake me when it's over.

Posted by c.w. on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 07:02am


Alright!!!!

Here's my picks for 2008 hall of fame, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012

2008
Madonna
Beastie Boys
John Mellencamp
Dave Clark Five
Donna Summer

2009
Metallica
Run DMC
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Stooges
Leonard Cohen

2010
Bon Jovi
Kiss
Alice Cooper
Genesis
Sting

2011
Janet Jackson
Ringo Starr
Dire Straits
Peter Gabriel
Rush

2012
Guns and Roses
Hall and Oates
Joy Division
Depeche Mode
Tina Turner

Posted by KVP on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 07:07am


I can see Stooges pulling a Johnny Rotten. Kiss pulling a Black Sabbath, and Guns n Roses pulling a Van Halen when inducteed finally.

Posted by Kyle on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 07:10am


Jann Wenner needs to get kicked off the committee if this was his doing

Posted by Kyle on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 07:11am


Well, Madonna and the Beasties are locks. My attention is focused solely on Leonard Cohen. I'm a huge fan. Huge, huge fan. I'm pretty much keeping my fingers crossed.

My ballot (alphabetical)

The Beastie Boys
Leonard Cohen
The Dave Clark Five
Madonna
The Ventures

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 07:38am


It's funny that Metallica showed they could "play nice" at Sabbath's induction but then get screwed during their first year of eligibility.

Posted by Trashy on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 07:40am


I don't think Metallica was eligible this year because Kill 'Em All was released in 1983. Trashy, I think Future Rock Hall made a mistake with Metallica being eligible this year. Metallica will be nominated next year trust me. I am reponding to your comment that you made this morning.

Posted by Patrick on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 08:01am


Self produced demos don't count as first recording. so they will no let metallica be eligible untill 2008

locks
Madonna
Beasties boys

Maybes
John melloncamp
Dave clark 5
Afrika bambatta
Donna summers

F no
Chic
Leonard Cohen
The Ventures

Posted by Martin on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 08:14am


Wow, Leonard Cohen is a HUGE surprise. I didn't think he would ever get in, or even be given the chance. He might have a chance.

I can't help but wonder if these lacklustre artists are being nominated so that the voters are FORCED to put in disco and rap.

And with Sonic Youth being snubbed, I wonder how many people are going start saying the Rock Hall hates alt rock?

Should get in
Beastie Boys
Leonard Cohen

Will get in
Madonna
Beastie Boys
John Mellancamp
Donna Summers
Dave Clark Five

Posted by Stevie on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 09:23am


Thanks to those who clarified the Metallica elligibility issue. I am sure we will see them nominated and inducted next year.

As I said in some other section yesterday, it is absurd that the entire genre of prog rog yet again gets the shaft as if it does not even exist. We are pondering the worth of Donna freakin' Summer while the likes of Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Yes and King Crimson have yet to be nominated. Also, metal is by and large ignored as well. Judas Priest? Yet to be nominated.

If I were a voter, from this list, my votes would be:
Madonna
Beastie Boys
John Mellencamp
Afrika Bambaata
The Ventures or Leonard Cohen (I am still undecided for my 5th slot)

Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 09:47am


I had such hopes for this slate, but jesus christ it's hard to even come up with five. In my mind, the two rap artists cancel each other out, and please god why are they shoving the minor movement that was disco in our faces like this? It's quite clear Wenner wants music to have stopped at 1977, it's clear through his writing and through the way the Hall is run.

Cohen's nomination was the only plesant surprise.

So, my ballot, filled out under duress:

Cohen
Bambaata
Madonna
Mellencamp
SONIC YOUTH YOU JERKS

Posted by Kit on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 10:53am


My picks out of this line-up

Donna Summer - Who is a primary artistic and commercial leader in not only defining and expanding the scope of what disco was and what dance and pop music is today, but is still a viable force in this lack-luster line-up of musical talent we have today.

Beastie Boys - Although I don't own any of their music, I recognize and respect their place not only in rap/rock history, but their expansion of the artform into a larger mass audience.

Madonna - Next in line to the legendary Aretha Franklin stands Madonna. No she can't sing anywhere near Ms. Franklin's abilities, however she is the first to combine talent, imigary, and media into a mega-force that is Madonna.

After that I say let the remainder of the candidates fight it out. Death Match 2008! (lol)

Posted by Jakeinlove on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 11:44am


The Rock Hall CEOs are in their own goddamn universe of reality. Fuck their tiny 5 nominees club designed to create exclusivity - fuck it.
I am just fine with significant rap artists getting in -- but not at the cost of stepping over the laundry list of worthy artists from the 70's and 80's habitually being abandoned in the dark and musty corners of the rock music garage.
Are they hoping we just eventually forget about the entire prog and alternative genres?

Leonard Cohen over Sonic Youth? Donna freaking Summer over The Cure? Chic over Genesis? Afrika Bambaataa over Alice Coooper? And even within rap genre - Beasties over Run DMC? Ventures over The Stooges? Disco over Metal? WTF??????????????

It's to the point that it's not even worth talking about any longer. Add Sonic Youth now to the backlog clog. Stodgy old men obviosly are at the helm of this commitee. I'm done paying attention. It's beyond a joke now - it's a certifiable farce.

Glad for Mellencamp finally.

Posted by shawn on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 11:55am


If I were a voter I would say:
1-Leonard Cohen the only legendary artist on this list
2-Afrika Bambaataa: my favorite one and on an equal footing with grandmaster flash
3-John Mellencamp: because he is probably the most truly rock artist there
4-Dave Clark Five: because they were supposed to be inducted last year
5-The Ventures
6-Madonna: just to tell that if Iggy is waiting qhe can wait one year too
7-Beastie Boys: more important than that but 2rap artists would be too much
8-Dona Summer
9-CHIC

Posted by roméo on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 12:28pm


Well,while I agree with the nods to Mellencamp,Dave Clark Five,Madonna,Donna Summer,Chic and The Ventures..I don;t know enough about the others to comment.

As for The Beastie Boys,I don't recall them recording anything back in '83! Wasn't "License To Ill" their very first recorsing in 1986? If so,that's not 25 years.

I seriously suggest dumping the "Boys" and giving it to one of the acts that has been waiting since this whole Rock and Roll Hall of Fame started.

I.E. :

The Moody Blues (They're not getting any younger!)
The Grass Roots
Alice Cooper
Kiss
Heart
Chicago
and maybe for a little originality...
Gordon Lightfoot.
Gordon Lightfoot has recorded twenty great albums that offer the listener something wonderful to hear each time. Whether he's doing folk,pop/rock-country,straight rock or adult contemporary.

I feel,based on "The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald" alone he hould be inducted because it's an inccredible example of creative musicianship and songwriting. A staple of his music overall and his lyrics are unforgettable.

Not to mention he's been in this business since 1962 and has been playing clubs and touring almost non-stop since then. He's already announced his next tour will start in Oct. of 2008! He still sells out concert halls and still has a large following. If you can induct Gene Pitney,you can induct Gordon Lightfoot!

Beastie Boys are young enough to wait awhile,if you don't choose Gordon at least make it one of these acts far more deserving acts,please.

Posted by Walter laMont on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 17:03pm


WELL IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME THE RHF FINALLY GOT IT RIGHT DONNA SUMMER SHOULD HAVE BEEN INDUCTED! IF IT WEREN'T FOR HER THERE WOULD BE NO MADONNA HENCE HER NOMINATION WITH DONNNA & A WHOLE LIST OF OTHER ARTIST WHO CAME AFTER AND COPIED HER.HOW LONG WILL THIS VOCAL POWERHOUSE AND TRUE MUSICAL LEGEND BE OVERLOOKED GIVE THIS WOMAN HER DUE.WHY IS DONNA SUMMER SO UNDERATED IN THIS INDUSTRY IT'S A SHAME!NOT ONLY IS SHE A SINGER SHE EITHER WROTE OR CO WROTE EVERY HIT SHE HAD! HOW MANY CAN SAY THAT? SHE CAN SING ROCK,COUNTRY,R&B,GOSPEL,DISCO & MUSICAL THEATER AND SHES A FABULOUS ARTIST TO BOOT.SHES TRULY OVERDUE FOR THIS GET IT RIGHT PEOPLE! MADONNA SHOULD THANK DONNA FOR HER CAREER AND HER NOMINATION ALONG SIDE A REAL VOICE. I KNOW I'LL GET LOTS OF FLACK ABOUT MY MADONNA COMMENT BUT WHO CARES IT'S THE TRUTH. I LIKE MADGE BUT SHE IS NO SINGER SHE IS AN ENTERTAINER AND A GOOD ONE TOO BOOT ,BUT SHE IS NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS DONNA SUMMER! MY LIST IS AS FOLLOWS
1 DONNA SUMMER
2 JOHN MELLENKAMP
3 MADONNA
4 CHIC
I THINK THIS SHOULD BE A YEAR OF 4 INDUCTEES
AND WHILE I'M HERE WHY HAS GRACE JONES NOT BEEN INDUCTED OR CONSIDERED ALONG WITH ASFORD AND SIMPSON AND PAT BENATAR YOU GUYS ARE NUTS!
IN CLOSING DO THE RIGHT THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by MARCUS on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 19:45pm


4 inductees? Are you joking?! People are already complaining that five isn't enough. Why the hell would you want the Hall to cut the number down even more in the exact same year that they snubbed so many first-time eligibles?

The Hall is barely teetering on the edge of relevant as it is. I think they have an actual vendetta against their own credibility.

Posted by William on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 20:18pm


Madonna should get in the hall, hands down she is the BIGGEST female performer EVER!!! Madonna still reinvents herself and she does it better than ANYONE!!! She was the one that people thought was gonna vanish and Cyndi Lauper would still be on top. Madonna is the one trends and artists follow. Bambaataa should get in before the Beasties, people love the Beasties because of License To Ill at first but these guys abandoned Rap music and started doing other stuff and only came back to rap music when Emeniem came out. They wanted nothing to do with there genre of music. Don't get me wrong I like the Beastie's but if you want to put in a pioneer and that's what the Hall usally does than Bambaataa should be in first. Donna Summer hands down should also be in, people complaining about Disco, Disco this Disco that. Rod Stewart did Disco, The Stones did Disco, The Bee Gees were Disco. Donna Summer also survived after Disco and had 3 HUGE hits after Disco. Without Donna Summer there would be no Madonna, Whitney or Mariah. Leonard Cohen should be in, very original, very influential, a very overlooked legend. The Ventures should get in because they influenced just about everyone in the 60s and most in the 70s that picked up a guitar, hell they influenced The Beatles!!! and you can here some of it in their songs. Chic should get in because they influenced the Hip Hop world and hell the first rap record used a Chic sample. The Dave Clark 5 should get in. They were worthy rivals to the Beatles more than any other band. As far as Mellencamp, he will get in and he should but I think he is a fake Springsteen.

Posted by The Truth on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 22:00pm


Donna Summer hands down deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. She became the first black woman ever to win a Grammy for a rock performance. What she accomplished in the late 1970's speaks for itself. She should have been nominated a long time ago. I hope and pray she gets in. She will make her hometown Boston proud!

Posted by Milton on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 22:24pm


Cohen is a shockingly good surprise.

The nominees should have been:

1) Cohen
2) Roxy Music
3) Television
4) The Smiths
5) The Cure
6) Bryan Ferry
7) Warren Zevon

Posted by JOB on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 22:59pm


Vote for the most deserving but overlooked artists for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at:
http://www.rateitall.com/t-2529-deserving-of-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame.aspx
The top 20 at this point are:
1) Rush
2) Yes
3) Deep Purple
4) Genesis
5) Stevie Ray Vaughan
6) Chicago
7) The Ventures
8) Alice Cooper
9) Madonna
10) Duran Duran
11) Pete Townshend (solo) 12) Dire Straits
13) Jethro Tull
14) The Cars
15) Moody Blues
16) Peter Gabriel (solo)
17) Heart
18) Steve Miller
19) The Hollies
20) Pat Benatar

Posted by Garrett on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 23:09pm


well, i wont be watching this year!!!!

Posted by lauren on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 01:25am


Hate all you want, Madonna is the queen and should have been inducted years ago, NOBODY, NOBODY is better then her. She's the most succesful female of all time ... MADONNA RULEZ, so does CHIC AND DONNA SUMMER !!!

Posted by MKay on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 02:23am


With the addition of Chic and Donna Summer the RRHOF Disco trilogy will be complete. The Bee Gees are already in.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 08:54am


There is no way in hell Bambaataa will get in the Hall before Kraftwerk!!! I'll put money on it!!!

Posted by Joe-Skee on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 09:01am


out of the 9 nominees I want the 5 to be
Leonard Cohen- folk pioneer, poet, of the 1960's
DC5-British Invasion (automatically get in)
The Ventures- Surf music is an early form of RnR
and they were one of the pioneers
Chic- Damn good musicians, I mean Nile Rodgers
is a funk genius, and they rule ass
Donna Summer- Queen of Disco sexy talanted
wonderful voice

the others are rap artists or just plain suck

i want to see
Steve Miller
Deep Purple
Moody Blues
Chubby Checker
Genesis
ELP
Yes
Doobie Brothers
to name over a hundred

grace the hall of fame

Posted by danny on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 09:41am


My three votes are Madonna, Beastie Boys, and John Mellencamp of the 2008 Nominees and nobody else.

Also, where is Metallica and Violent Femmes??!!

Somebody need to make up their mind if this is going to be Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or a Music Hall of Fame.

Also need to be in: Genesis, T-Rex, Steve Miller Band, Alice Cooper, Herbie Hancock, America, Meatloaf, Scorpions, Bryan Ferry, Kiss, Journey, Heart, .38 Special, Cheap Trick, Peter Gabriel, Quiet Riot, Toto, Foreigner, The Cars, Def Leppard, INXS, Billy Idol, Duran Duran, Phil Collins, Tears For Fears, and Sting.

Posted by Stephen on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 10:47am


From paying special interest to the nomination process over the past few years, I've been able to draw several conclusions about the selection process.

If you have any insight or theories of your own, please share.

THINGS THAT WILL WORK IN YOUR FAVOR

1. Being a larger than life figure.
The Rock Hall wants to grab headlines, and will need to fill seats and get ratings from the ceremony. Madonna is an enduring pop culture phenomenon, and can be seen as the home run, marquee talent. Only Michael Jackson is really comparable here.

2. Being critically acclaimed AND commercially successful.
Critics and the masses are two distinct camps. If you have favor with both, your chances are excellent. Beastie Boys have sold very well over the course their career--Licensed to Ill was the top-selling rap album of the 80's, and check the wikipedia entry for its accolades. Paul's Boutique, huge critical favorite. Ill Communication topped the charts.

3. Continued success and longevity.
Just because your band is still together, doesn't mean it's relevant. If you've been in the game for decades, and get radio airplay with artists 20 years younger, you have a great chance. Avoid being labeled a nostalgia act.

4. Survival in the face of changing tastes.
Grunge destroyed hair metal. Bands like U2 and R.E.M. adapted and even elevated their careers.
Survive cultural sea changes.

5. Have friends in high places.
If you're buddies with Jann Wenner, Jon Landau, Bruce Springsteen or Dave Marsh, you will probably get in.

6. Be old.
The selections are made by crusty dinosaurs. Sonic Youth didn't stand a chance with this committee.

7. Affirmative Action.
The nominating committee will always select several black candidates of wildly varying qualifications. Soul, Blues, R&B, Funk clearly have favor over some guitar-based, predominantly white sub-genres.

THINGS THAT WON'T WORK IN YOUR FAVOR

1. Being prog, hard rock or metal.
Clearly these are not committee favorites. Much of the artists classified as such are boring, pretentious, overly indulgent, or polarizing. Still, many others are great. But it doesn't really matter.

2. Lots of filler.
If you have several essential recordings, but lots of misfires, your legacy will be watered down. Concise and impactful careers, and consistenly good artists will be viewed more highly than low-percentage hitters (3 strikeouts for every home run).

3. Confusing history.
Deep Purple probably has 30 current and former members, denoting by Mach I, II, III, IV, V etc. You do you nominate, who do you exclude? Nobody, it makes your head hurt just thinking about it.

4. Being overtly commercial at the expense of your art.
Bon Jovi and Journey, you lowest common denominator power balladeers, you don't stand a chance.

5. Enemies in high places.
Jann Wenner hates the Monkees. So they won't get in. Dave Marsh hates Kiss, so they won't get in either.

Can anyone think of any others?

Posted by Matt. on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 16:56pm


Jann Wenner and Jon Landau should be canned from the committee for the choices of nominations for the last 3 years. What the fuck are they doing nominating political musicians, rap artists and younger acts. These people have probably never heard of half of the RnR acts that aren't in the
HOF

Also..There is no fucking way that John Mellencamp
or Madonna are getting in to the same place that honored The Beatles, Elvis Presley The Rolling Stones etc... They better get in when I'm dead b/c both acts spew garbage into their music and in their anti-Bush bullshit speeches.They are being considered over better clean cut musicians like Steve Miller, Peter Frampton, and Carole King (solo)

P.S. I used to watch the HOF every year on VH1
but i've boycotted b/c they induct garbage and it's gotten bad reviews from the papers.
Wake up and smell the coffee assholes who think rap is RnR HOF material.

Posted by danny on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 17:52pm


Seriously this is insane. I know there are alot of bands people think should be in I have a few myself.. But one Band that there is no reason what so ever they shouldnt be in or at least nominated for god sakes... KISS.... Yes they are my favorite band of all time but I dont say this because of that.. I say it cause its the truth.. How many albums do you have to sell how much more influential do you have to be.. Ya I guess the hall is right on this one.. Ya I dont think so.. You had Elvis, The Beatles, and then KISS as far as a pop/rock whatever phenom and I hate Elvis but he owned the public.. So facts are facts call em' commercialized puppets or whatever you would like but when you make movies, lunchboxes, toys, and whatever else you have quite a fanbase.. Which they did and still do.. So as if it isnt already not our Hall of Fame in the first place it never will be until KISS is inducted..

Posted by Chuck on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 18:40pm


Madonna? In the Rock Hall of Fame? Sorry, but no. One contribution that Madonna has made to the American rock culture is one that few discuss - that she is the apotheosis of modern American culture, which currently rewards triviality and vulgarity moreso than talent and virtuosity. Her true gift is self-promotion, being able to call attention to herself through reinvention. However, when she does capture the attention of her audience, it's obvious that she has nothing really worthy of attention or praise. She is not a talented singer (like Pat Benatar). She is not a talented songwriter (like Chrissie Hynde). She is not a talented dancer (like Janet Jackson). She is not a talented actress (like Annie Lennox). She is not a talented beauty (like Deborah Harry). So much about her is mediocre or average, and yet that rises her to the top of the heap. There is a small gap between creativity and reinvention, but she has not managed to bridge that on a scale worthy of induction into the Rock Hall of Fame.

Posted by ko on Sunday, 09.30.07 @ 11:50am


Where the HELL is Johnny Rivers?

Posted by kathy on Sunday, 09.30.07 @ 18:15pm


Very interesting nomination, and for the first time in a while all of the nominees are actually deserving. Yes, progressive got left out, and Metallica got shafted ("Hit the Lights" was included on the compilation "Metal Massacre" in 1982), but otherwise a very good class.

Predictions:

Madonna
Donna Summer
Chic
John Mellencamp
Afrika Bambaataa

To everyone pissed off that disco and rap are being honored: They are both types of rock. Both have their origins in funk, which is also a type of rock. Disco was the most popular rock form of the 1970s, and rap has been the dominant rock form of the 1990s and 2000s.

I'd say that the biggest problem people have with them is that the primary artists in both cases are black. For worse, radio, the artists themselves, and (especially) fans have created the incorrect thought that rap is a seperate form of music from rock, which it is not. Therefore, only white people can play rock music, according to the theory. This is terrible, but it permeates the thought of music fans. Look at all the "biggest omissions" from the website: all of them are white, "classic rock" artists.

And "JOB": Wow, you really love post-punk. That isn't bad, but it's one subgenre, which is no better than any other. Your opinion shouldn't impact who you think is Hall-worthy.

Posted by John on Sunday, 09.30.07 @ 18:55pm


Like these Nominees or not, this is not just about our favorite Rock band or who Rocks the hardest. Its about the Giants of the Rock & Roll Era! Musician that define not just POPULAR Music but an entire ERA & Generation. Very few artist can define an Era. Also, remember the Rock & Roll Era has had many genres over its 5 decades.

If there was a "Mount Rushmore" Of musical Giants of the Rock & Roll Era, these faces would be chiseled in the rock!

50's Elvis / Little Richard / Chuck Berry
60's Beatles / Aretha Franklin/ Rolling Stones
70's Elton John / Donna Summer / Led Zeppelin
80's Bruce Springsteen / Madonna
90's Nirvana / Alanis Morrisette

I am no Music historian but these Superstars and a few others define their Era. I don't love them all, but they are History .. enough Said

Posted by Randy on Sunday, 09.30.07 @ 22:13pm


Richard Nixon defined an era, if you'll recall.

Posted by William on Sunday, 09.30.07 @ 22:25pm


BOYCOT ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE.... what a joke - I've seen bad lists in the past but Madonna over many greats. Not knocking her talent - but she should be in the Dance Hall of Fame vs. R&R Hall of Fame (oh I forgot - there is none)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298681,00.html

Posted by Robert Log on Sunday, 09.30.07 @ 22:34pm


This list is pathetic

Posted by John on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 06:54am


Madonna before Tina Turner? Where's Chuck Berry?

Pathetic....

Posted by ML on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 08:12am


Madonna?? I thought this was the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So has she really done more for rock and roll than Ozzy's solo career, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden? The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a joke if they're gonna induct hip hop stars and rappers. They should have their own hall of fame.

Posted by The Kid on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 08:35am


John, how the hell do you make this into a race issue?

"I'd say that the biggest problem people have with them is that the primary artists in both cases are black."

That's rediculous. And if rap is rock and disco is rock and everything is rock then why isn't it just the Music Hall of Fame? And why aren't the rap CDs thrown in with the rock CDs at the music store? Rap is not rock. Rock and roll is a genre just like rap. And I don't know who told you rap dominated in the 1990's and 2000.

Posted by The Kid on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 08:45am


For the past few years this list has been a joke. What about Rush, Tina Turner (Proud Mary), Metallica...

Posted by scuba on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 08:52am


Like these 2008 Nominees or not, this is not just about our favorite Rock band or who Rocks the hardest. Its about the Giants of the Rock & Roll Era! Musician that define not just POPULAR Music but an entire ERA & Generation. Very few artist can define an Era. Also, remember the Rock & Roll Era has had many Sub-genres over its 5 decades.

If there was a "Mount Rushmore" Of musical Giants of the Rock & Roll Era, these faces would be chiseled in the rock!

50's Elvis / Little Richard / Chuck Berry
60's Beatles / Aretha Franklin/ Rolling Stones
70's Elton John / Donna Summer / Led Zeppelin/
80's Bruce Springsteen / Madonna/ Tina Turner
90's Nirvana / Alanis Morrisette/ others?

I am not a Music historian but , These Superstars along with a few others out there define their Era. I don't love them all, but they are our morden music History.. enough Said!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_genres

Posted by Randy on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 09:47am


ML: "Where's Chuck Berry? Pathetic..."

Um, inducted 21 years ago?

Randy: "70's Elton John / Donna Summer / Led Zeppelin/
80's Bruce Springsteen / Madonna/ Tina Turner
90's Nirvana / Alanis Morrisette/ others?"

If you're picking someone to define the '70s, I'd think the Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, and maybe even the Bee Gees should go ahead of Donna Summer. '80s: How about U2 instead of Tina Turner? '90s: How did you come up with Alanis? Try RHCP and maybe Pearl Jam.

Posted by A-Killa on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 09:56am


I agree. The 90's was more of an alternative rock era with influential bands like Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, RHCP, and others.

Posted by The Kid on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 10:03am


I find this a very sad day. I do not believe that rappers, or entertainers such as Madonna should be in the Hall of Fame. What has this come to? It should be people like Yes, Rush, Metallica, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Dream Theater and many more. The Beastie boys definitely do not belong. If it continues like this, the hall of fame will be nothing to me but a disappointment and just one more entity that has subjected itself to the main stream media.

Posted by Chris on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 10:11am


how i'd like it to look:

50's: Presley/Berry/Cash
60's: Beach Boys/Kinks/Rolling Stones
70's: Bowie/Buzzcocks/Jam
80's: Smiths/Soundgarden/R.E.M.
90's: Nirvana/Oasis/Prodigy
00's: Kaiser Chiefs/Arctic Monkeys/Kasabian

Posted by liam on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 10:16am


You have got to be kidding!!! Chic and the Beastie Boys are not rock. They are Disco and Rap. Put them in there respective places out of the catagory of rock you idiots!!!! I always thought that Rolling Stone magazine has gotten lame and P.C. this confirms it. That rag hasn't been any good since the mid 80's. BOYCOTT IT !! let the so called rap "Artists" get there own hall of shame

Posted by Bobcat on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 12:45pm


I completely understand the need for the committee to start inducting grossly overlooked artists from the 50's, 60's and 70's, but you also can't ignore the newer generation of 80's artists either; there needs to be some sort of balance. They could induct 6 per year, with 3 of them being first-year eligibles or 80's backlogs, and the other 3 being 50's, 60's or 70's backlogs.

I also believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) that one of the main reasons for the induction of only five per year is because of the televised ceremony. They could induct 10 per year, but would they have any interest in extending it to 3 or 4 more hours? I doubt it.

Posted by Antonio on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 14:43pm


why are the beastie boy being nominated to in the rock in roll hall of fame when they sing rap not rock music, the one group that sould be in the hall of fame are the moody blues since they been around for over forty years and sold over 200 million album world wide.

Posted by Gilbert on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 15:09pm


Well, the ceremony isn't televised anymore (it's streamed on AOL) so I doubt it's that. If anything, not being televised has allowed artists who would have never been nominated to be nominated this year.

But yes, there needs to be more artists inducted every year, at least 7 or 8. There is a definite backlog of artists right now, and only inducting five a year makes it longer every year.

An interesting option would have the fans getting some sort of vote, but that would probably backfire.

Posted by John on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 15:14pm


Wait... the ceremony isn't being televised this year? Was this fairly recent news?

Posted by Antonio on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 15:19pm


Never mind - it's on VH1 Classic.

I just remembered it being taken off of regular VH1 last year and mistakenly thought that it wasn't being shown at all.

But the VH1 Classic program is live, while the VH1 program was taped, so usually VH1 cut the program down to the most famous artists getting all the airtime, while less famous ones got shafted.

Posted by John on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 15:25pm


Let's see, since this is obviously the Rolling Stone Hall of Fame, Justin Timberlake, Beyonce, and Kelly Clarkson should get in before Rory Gallagher, Deep Purple, Johnny Winter, SRV. Hey, if Ozzy wasn't a part of Black Sabbath, Tony Iommi would never be there either. What a load of garbage. Madonna? Beastie Boys? Please. Talent in music is not played on the radio or Top 40 and alot of talent will never be in the Hall!

Posted by J Brightwell on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 15:30pm



<<50's Elvis / Little Richard / Chuck Berry
60's Beatles / Aretha Franklin/ Rolling Stones
70's Elton John / Donna Summer / Led Zeppelin/
80's Bruce Springsteen / Madonna/ Tina Turner
90's Nirvana / Alanis Morrisette/ others?>>

Like I said in my post. I don't claim to be an expert in music history. But, You are missing the point. I am sure there are many missing artist on that list. However the point is that the artist we are all discussing are just as worthy, if not more worthy than these mega Rock band that most people are angry about the Hall omitting.

Posted by Randy on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 15:33pm


This is just sad...can they induct only the Beastie Boys, and forget everyone else? No one else even deserves it. Madonna, Chic, Mellencamp? Come on.

Posted by Andy on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 16:38pm


Wenner has been bought and paid for hi misdeeds.

Posted by Wenner is on the take on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 17:18pm


As coming into wanting to be a music journalist it freakin ticks me off that soooo many goood I mean good musicians and bands have been thrown under the bus cause of what capitalism. I think everyone should protest half of that committee since most of them work for rolling stone or used to work there. I am sicken to know fellow journalists and critics who have been around all this time are coming up with this nomination process. I mean I get its 25 yrs but come on NO Heart, NO Styx, NO RUSH. NO Prog or Hard Rock. They were major major influences. Look how long it took southern rock and punk to get in. Hell look how long it took Sabbath who is the only heavy metal band to make it. They should at least put in Blue Cheer they were the ones who started bands Like Yes, Genesis and Rush into the prog-rock scene. I love all three of those bands. Heck the rock honors people did some justice this last year. But No Heart as the critics called them the Female Led Zepplin of the 70's. Yeah I know my stuff but I think everyone should flood these guys with e-mails. I mean some of the singer-songwriters like Carole King and Jim Croce and Carly Simon for pete's sake haven't been inducted. Its just now they are going to nominate again The Ventures and Dave Clark Five. I think something should be done because I have to agree with everyone on here. The music is for the people given to the people by musicians who came into this game years ago. They put their heart and soul in this most of them still going strong after all these years and this is the thanks that they get. Nothing but getting spit on and tossed aside because some people don't want to influence the younger and future generations. I was influenced by my parents which most of the bands listed aren't inducted. It saddens me. It really does. Just because they want some disposable or not even lack-luster bands or artists. I was happy to see REM get inducted last year with Patti Smith because they are both sort of indie type of rock like Sonic Youth who I think will always get passed by unlike Nirvana. I like diversity but this year's list the only one I give some credit is Dave Clark Five, The Ventures, and John Mellencamp. Ohhh I will love to see John Mellencamp. He might say something cause I know he will I hope so at least. I think its crap and I feel that we should all take a stand.

Posted by Chani on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 19:16pm


Madonna? Chic? What a disgrace. Wonder how much head Madonna had to give to get the nod. Oh, wait. She's a "genius." I forgot. Mellencamp is deserving enough, but *just* so. He is a pretty talented songwriter and performer. Hey, he even plays his own instruments and doesn't lip synch! How quaint! Rush not being nominated is just ridiculous. And Linda Ronstadt is off the hook with talent. Soon, the R&R HOF will be so diluted it will have absolutely no significance whatsoever. I'm hoping when my favorite band (Pearl Jam) comes up for nomination (I would think!) it will actually mean something. Not that the artists suit everyone's taste, but undeniable talent is what should be recognized, rather than record sales and insider cronyism.

Posted by EYG on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 19:40pm


The people that made these nominations don't know a rock from a roll!!! Cohen is the only possible writer that should be allowed near the hall. He'd tell you himself, however, that his writing never crossed into rock 'n roll. I've lost all respect for the r 'n r hof. None of the nominees are anywhere close to being worthy, NONE!!! madonna, beasties and the rest; they just out and out SUCK!!! One last comment: The nominating committee should all get "THIRTY DAYS IN THE HOLE!"

Posted by humblepie on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 21:13pm


no.1 dc5 maybe ventures a tobbi szar vagy marhasag

Posted by goodman on Tuesday, 10.2.07 @ 01:10am


How about putting these people in the Hall of Fame where they belong.

The Moody Blues, Hall & Oates, J Geils Band, Carly Simon, Linda Ronstadt, Carole King,
Leon Russell, Glen Campbell, Tina Turner, Dionne Warwick, the Spinners, Chubby Checker,
John Fogerty, Lou Reed, Ringo Starr, Steve Winwood, Steve Miller, The Guess Who, Grand Funk Railroad, Tom Jones, The Hollies, The Turtles, Three Dog Night and Jeff Beck

Posted by StarMan on Tuesday, 10.2.07 @ 07:36am


From the "I Called It" department, I posted this on the 2008 prediction thread:

"The only thing is, the Rock Hall typically comes up with at least one out-of-left-field nomination that nobody sees coming...What you need to do is randomly pick one artist who's been eligible for at least 15 years and never been nominated. The Association or Peter & Gordon or somebody like that, except the Rock Hall will come up with somebody more obscure than that."

And the answer is... the Ventures!

Posted by A-Killa on Tuesday, 10.2.07 @ 08:42am


what the hell . . . no Gram Parsons?!?!?! . . . I mean c'mon . . . but out of these nine, I'd have to go with
1. Leonard Cohen
2. Afrika Bambaataa
3. Madonna
4. Dave Clark Five
5. The Ventures

Posted by Robert Bock on Tuesday, 10.2.07 @ 09:48am


READ THIS "What is the Rock & Roll Hall ???

You all make some very valid points. The biggest issue here stem from the title "Rock & Roll" Hall. If they would clarify their meaning of "Rock & Roll" then maybe we wouldn't be having all these misconceptions.

What I have come to understand about their meaning of "ROCK & ROLL" is that they are referring to an Era of new modern music. The name Rock & Roll music came about back in the 50's with acts like Elvis. This sound was so different from anything that was played in the past 100 years (Classical Era), that people started calling it a New Era in contemporary music, thus the "Rock & Roll ERA" was born. From there on anything that followed this new form of music was dubbed "Music from the Rock & Roll Era." This new sound has evolved and branched out to many different styles with each passing decade. Whether it was Soul, Punk, Folk, Dance, Alternative, Pop, Arena Rock or Techo, it is all music that evolved from this new sound and this new era in popular music, the "Rock & Roll Era."

"The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" inducts acts from a very diverse music mix in the evolution of this newly formed "Rock & Roll Era" in music that started in the 50's. With this in mind, it all makes perfect sense?

Posted by Randy on Tuesday, 10.2.07 @ 21:07pm


I find it strangely funny that I'm actually reading complaints about Madonna's inclusion in the Hall of Fame. I understand the gripes about the definition of "Rock & Roll," but if anyone hasn't noticed the "Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" is not solely defined by style of music. It celebrates those relevant to music in the modern era of recording.

We are in an eligability era of music where image has became integrated into music moreso than any time before. It did exist. The Beatles on the Ed Sullivan Show, Elvis in his movies, and yes, bands playing live were used before. Should The Beatles be excluded because they were attractive and the girls were quite smitten (which added to their popularity).

If it's a question of Madonna's music relevancy then it's a failed argument. In the realm of pop/dance music, she is hailed universally. If you don't like the genre she prescribes to then that's an issue of taste. It does not mean that she "sucks" or deserves to not be included for her contributions to the modern era of music.

Let's just be honest, anything other than the title of "Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" would sound stupid. It has a nice ring to it, but it does not mean it's limited to the uninclusive definition of "Rock & Roll" that many prescribe to.

Posted by Matheus on Wednesday, 10.3.07 @ 10:52am


ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? This proves once again that The Rock-n-Roll Hall is full of no music knowing morons.

WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!

Posted by Sean Mahoney on Thursday, 10.4.07 @ 03:43am


I have an interesting thing to say.
Steve Miller who I think is the good version of John Mellencamp(whom i detest), has never been on the final nomination list, but Mellencamp is on the ballot for the 3rd time. When Mellencamp was growing up in his "small town" Steve Miller
had already released "Livin in the U,S.A"
And when Mellencamp's debut came out in 1976.
Steve Miller's "The Joker" was 3 years old.
It shows the RNR "hall of shame" are ignoring the real veterans and just inducting political and rap musicians

Posted by anyomous on Thursday, 10.4.07 @ 06:01am


Here we go:
1. Leonard Cohen
2. Jethro Tull
3. Gram Parsons
4. The Zombies
5. The Turtles

there . . . simple, classic. how hard is that?!?!?!

Posted by Robert Bock on Thursday, 10.4.07 @ 08:31am


anyomous: You're not the only person who feels that Steve Miller should be inducted. I also think he's been snubbed. But I don't see the comparison between him and Mellancamp; they're two separate artists. Also I doubt that Mellancamp's nomination has anything to do with his politics.

Robert: What exactly is the argument for the Turtles? Are they really more deserving than the Dave Clark Five?

Posted by A-Killa on Thursday, 10.4.07 @ 09:03am


all i gotta say, its ashame dj fontana wasnt nominated.he was elvis presleys drummer from 1955-1968. played on hound dog,jailhouse rock, heartbreak hotel, just to name a few.
what are these people thinking.
a rock and roll pioneer overlooked

Posted by jesse on Thursday, 10.4.07 @ 12:42pm


all i gotta say, its ashame dj fontana wasnt nominated.he was elvis presleys drummer from 1955-1968. played on hound dog,jailhouse rock, heartbreak hotel, just to name a few.
what are these people thinking.
a rock and roll pioneer overlooked

Posted by jesse on Thursday, 10.4.07 @ 12:43pm


DJ Fontana would be considered for the "Sideman" category, which is a seperate category. Sidemen are inducted in a different way, more like the Veterans Commission in Baseball.

Posted by John on Thursday, 10.4.07 @ 13:54pm


CHIC-Come ON! an you past over the Runaways. The VENTURES! COME ON! Who makes this list anyway!

Posted by Laurie on Friday, 10.5.07 @ 06:54am


Rush
Yes
Deep Purple
Alice Cooper
AC/ DC
Kiss
OZZY
Ect Ect..

They are all Great Choices, However, the only Criticism about some Heavy Medal and Arena Rock Bands back in the 70's and early 80's was that Most all mimic each other. Although they can Rock like nobody else, there wasn't much originality among them. Each band just tired to outdo the other. Some acts even tried to stand out by using crazy customs and using blood and animal parts on stage in order to seem original. This all repeated itself again in the late 80's with Hair bands.

Maybe the "Hall" is looking for more Originality and not so much who can Rock the hardest.??

In all Fairness, If true, That would explain some of its 2008 choices. Most of them were the 1st to do what they did.

Posted by Joe on Friday, 10.5.07 @ 08:21am


AC/DC is already in....They were inducted in 2003 with The Police, Elvis Costello, The Clash, and Rightous Brothers.

Posted by Kyle on Friday, 10.5.07 @ 12:24pm


There is one name many people forgot to mention in their list of artists not in the RNR HOF
and that is Jim Croce. Even though his life was
tragically cut short, his music is unforgettable
Songs like "Leroy Brown", "I've Got a Name"
and "I'd Like to Say I Love You in a Song"
are classics. It's a damn shame that a musician of his talent is being ignored snubbed, and pushed to the side to make way for acts that are either rap or younger bands

Posted by anyomous on Friday, 10.5.07 @ 17:35pm


I nominate Rufus and Chaka Khan.

Posted by DaeDae on Sunday, 10.7.07 @ 07:24am


Jeezus. Somebody needs to define "rock and roll" around here. When the hell did disco, pop and hip-hop become rock?

Posted by Joboo on Sunday, 10.7.07 @ 19:53pm


Madonna is, by far, the most deserving of this year's slate. Love her or hate her, her impact on music the past 25 years has been enormous.

And, for the genre griping.....if the Supremes, are in (hardly "rock" sounding to me), then why shouldn't Donna Summer and Madonna, the leaders of 70s and 80s popular music, be in?

I think that some just like to complain about artists that they don't personally like.

Posted by Matt on Monday, 10.8.07 @ 13:46pm


I would select Randy Newman, John Fogerty, Johnny Winter, Albert King, Steve Winwood, George Clinton, Dr. John, Canned heat, Mitch Ryder, Steppenwolf, Joe Cocker, Billy Preston, Link Wray and The Kingsmen before ANY of this year's nominees. I have been playing rock and roll since 1963. Adding Madonna is like adding Coca-Cola to the FDA food pyramid.

Posted by jim downing on Monday, 10.8.07 @ 14:25pm


Amen!
I'd like to enter a class-action suit to force the removal of the term "Rock n Roll" from the music Hall.
Clearly the HOF board have no knowledge of the term or the lifestyle...I don't care how their antiquated credentials read!!! Nominating Disco Donna is proof. Can you imagine her performing.."Oooo love-to-love you baaaby..." Then throwing up her ROCK FIST and screechin' 'ROCK N ROLLLLLL?" NO, I don't think so....I apologize for the mental image.

Posted by Suez on Tuesday, 10.9.07 @ 00:26am


No wonder the Hall is unbalanced and about to COME TUMBLIN' in to the Lake of Disco doo doo...
They forgot to lay in a good foundation of ROCK'n ROLL SOUL! What about the fore-father's of actual ROCK...These guys started it all!

How can they omit Hard ROCK'S Royalty?
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD
Yes
Rush
B.O.C.
Deep Purple
Alice Cooper
Sooo many, many others!

Come on...We need a Hard Rock Museum. Voted by the people, of the people and for the people....sound familiar?

Posted by Cruizinsuezin on Tuesday, 10.9.07 @ 01:09am


Could someone please explain what ANY of these inductees have to do with rock n' roll? Whoever is in charge of selecting has totally missed the boat and I no longer will give a flying f#$k about the Hall of Fame. It's obvious that the deliberate snubs of true rock artists who rightfully deserve a spot will continue well into the future. Ask yourself this: when was the last time you heard an Afrika Bambaataa song?...hmmmmm? If it were up to me, this is who would get in this year:

Deep Purple
Rush
J.Geils Band
Alice Cooper
Jim Croce

The Hall of Fame can kiss my ass!..Rock On!!

Posted by DJ on Tuesday, 10.9.07 @ 21:03pm


How are motley crue not nominated? Over 40 million records sold not good enough. Who has sold more here other then the beastie boys and Madonna. They were one the biggest bands in the eighties and still sell out arenas today. So being influential and selling a lot of albums doesn't matter. The media doesn't like them so they don't get nominated. This is why I have no respect for the rock n' roll hall of fame.

Posted by jason hasbrouck on Tuesday, 10.9.07 @ 23:48pm


"How are motley crue not nominated? Over 40 million records sold not good enough. Who has sold more here other then the beastie boys and Madonna."-jason hasbrouck

Let's see...Metallica, Deep Purple, Jethro Tull, Iron Maiden, Supertramp, and several others currently eligible for induction as well as several who will be eligible in the future but already meet your lax and irrational requirements. In fact, as it turns out, if record sales have any bearing on musical relevance(they don't, but that's the point of my satire) Motley Crue is last in line behind Michael Jackson, Barbra Streisand, Duran Duran, and Green Day.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 10.10.07 @ 02:46am


So, if Madonna is off the list, let's strip out all the inductees that are in subgenres of rock (including pop, dance, R&B, etc.):

Aretha Franklin
Marvin Gaye
The Supremes
Stevie Wonder
Simon & Garfunkel
Ruth Brown
Bob Marley
Rod Stewart
Al Green
Martha & The Vandellas
Gladys Knight & The Pips
The Shirelles
The Bee Gees
The Jackson Five
Parliament/Funkedelic
The Mamas & The Papas
Santana
Michael Jackson
Isaac Hayes
The Righteous Brothers
Prince
Grandmaster Falsh & The Furious Five
The Ronettes

According to Princeton University's dictionary, "rock a generic term for the range of styles that evolved out of rock'n'roll."

Madonna, Prince, etc....even though they might not be your personal favorites, have influenced the rock era more than many of the artists being mentioned here, and are most deserving of induction.

- Matt






Posted by Matt on Wednesday, 10.10.07 @ 11:52am


My Top 5...

John Mellencamp
Donna Summer
Leonard Cohen
The Ventures
Madonna

Out of the 2 mega superstars ladies Madonna /or Donna Summer ..I would Pick Donna due to her more edgy Rock songs and her Grammy win for "Best Rock Female 1980"

Posted by Randy on Monday, 10.15.07 @ 21:17pm


It's too bad that the Ventures don't get the credit they deserve. Just because the younger generation doesn't really know who they are doesn't mean they aren't deserving. They were arguably the fathers of the distorted Guitar, becoming the first band to lay down a true fuzz guitar track, and became the first band to use a fuzz pedal.

Other artists who said they had been influenced by the Ventures included Gene Simmons, Elton John, George Harrison, Jimmy Page, Jeff Baxter, Joe Perry and Tom Hamilton of Aerosmith, and Joe Walsh of the Eagles to name some.

Posted by Faceplant on Tuesday, 10.16.07 @ 01:47am


my Pics, The 2008 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame:

The Ventures
Donna Summer
The Dave Clark Five
John Mellencamp
Leonard Cohen

Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 10.16.07 @ 19:49pm


What about Steppenwolf and Moody blues in the hall of fame.

Posted by Bob Dilldine on Thursday, 10.18.07 @ 11:37am


If Rolling Stone mag is a influence on the choices for the hall of fame is Britney next. Check out Uncut and Mojo for rock and roll.

Posted by Bob Dilldine on Thursday, 10.18.07 @ 11:47am


AS A 60ISH MAN WHO GREW UP HEARING REAL ROCK AND ROLL, THE VENTURES WHOULD HAVE TO BE THE #1 CHOICE. THEY DID MORE FOR INSTRUMENTAL ROCK AND MUSIC IN GENERAL THAN ANYONE ELSE. THEY INFLUENCED A WHOLE LEGION OF GUITARISTS; ASK GENE SIMMONS; GEORGE HARRISON, JEFF BAXTER AND ALL THE OTHERS WHO WERE INSPIRED BY THEM. YOUR CHOICES ARE YOUR OWN, BUT LET COMMON SENSE PREVAIL

Posted by MBZMAN on Thursday, 10.18.07 @ 17:22pm


WTF DUDE modona ait even rock its tecno.... TECNO this is the ROCK N ROLL HALL OF FAME if disco and tecno hall of fame come in town then let her go for it but i say its blastphamy to let any one who dont play a guitar or drums in to the hall of fame.....im sory for yellin

Posted by byron damn bales on Friday, 10.19.07 @ 22:41pm


On what planet is Madonna considered "techno"?

Posted by William on Saturday, 10.20.07 @ 01:14am


"blastphamy to let any one who dont play a guitar or drums in to the hall of fame"

so we should cut off any singers, but allow their bands/backing bands in?

that would also mean most rap groups, producers and the Velvet Underground (elec violas) would be kicked out/not allowed in

Posted by liam on Saturday, 10.20.07 @ 06:41am


Where's X? Gimme a break! Isn't Night Ranger in line some where? There's something wrong!

Posted by Aaron Edmundson on Tuesday, 10.23.07 @ 23:45pm


Again, I have no trouble with the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame's selections year after year. They seem to choose acts based on 1.)record sales and 2.) likability with the upper class and/or music listeners who have limited musical tastes (whether the artist merits this "honor" or not).

I love C.H.I.C. Nile Rodgers/ Bernard Edwards were a class act and continue to inspire others musically. They are not Rock 'N Roll. Madonna is fair...and she is NOT Rock 'N Roll. The Beastie Boys? The Ventures? Dave Clark Five? Donna Summer? She is Disco/Dance/Pop. I am a fan of hers too but her "sound" is due in part to her brilliant(then) production team of Mororder/Bellotte(?).

Remember, Jann Werner (?) and a cadre of his wealthy, out-of-touch gang are running this show.

Posted by Dusty on Wednesday, 10.24.07 @ 00:16am


Alright, here's my complete queue of elligible artists that I feel deserve enshrinement. Anyone not listed either fell short of my semi-objective criteria (influence, influence, influence) or I think they're just abysmal and don't deserve a page at FRH.

Oh, and I'd be interested to hear thoughts on what I'm (supposedly) missing, my ranking or even better YOUR complete list.

The Queue

1. Brian Eno
2. The Stooges
3. Kraftwerk
4. Joy Division
5. Leonard Cohen
6. Sonic Youth
7. The Cure
8. Nick Drake
9. T. Rex
10. The Replacements

11. Depeche Mode
12. Beastie Boys
13. Afrika Bambaataa
14. Metallica
15. Hüsker Dü
16. The Fall
17. Roxy Music
18. The Jam
19. Gang Of Four
20. Black Flag

21. King Crimson
22. Tom Waits
23. The Marvelettes
24. Genesis
25. Love
26. Talk Talk
27. The Cars
28. The Buzzcocks
29. Television
30. The Monkees

31. Captain Beefheart
32. Echo and the Bunnymen
33. The Modern Lovers
34. Big Star
35. Mission Of Burma
36. Cocteau Twins
37. Jimmy Cliff
38. The Specials
39. Violent Femmes
40. The Crystals/Darlene Love
41. The Zombies
42. Tim Buckley

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.26.07 @ 02:31am


Oops. Missed Madge probably because she's the only nominee this year that I'm 100% will be inducted. I'd place her just after Hüsker Dü if you must know.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.26.07 @ 02:34am


Meat Puppets as well. 25-ish.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.26.07 @ 02:36am


Meant to throw New Order into the mix. If I had my way it'd be a ballot choice of Joy Division/New Order as I really see the latter as the logical Curtis-less progression of the band.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.26.07 @ 02:38am


That list is funny. The Monkees!? But, no Rush or Moody Blues - LOL, LOL...you are not to be taken seriously.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 10.26.07 @ 03:27am


maybe you should have put the cocteau twins above Echo & the Bunnymen. they're about the same in my eyes, but the twins were one of the first shoegazers, which cranks the up quite a bit.

Posted by liam on Friday, 10.26.07 @ 06:04am


I'm also unaware of MAdness' induction (if there was one), but if they weren't they'd go between 14 and 19

Posted by liam on Friday, 10.26.07 @ 06:06am


K, Devo wasn't on my list either. Just posting a reminder for myself. ;)

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.26.07 @ 23:47pm


Beasties-Opened the doors to not only white rappers, but rappers who were allowed to humorous, but also take themselves seriously.
Madonna-Pop Queen for generations.
Chic-disco band that wrote great songs with good melody.
John Mellencamp-Songwriter for America.
Dave Clark Five-I got nothin.

Posted by SSR on Saturday, 10.27.07 @ 10:56am



Donna Summer ??, The original "Pop Queen" known around the world for her many 70's & 80's Pop/dance hits and her many musical styles including Rock. 4 decades of music and still filling concert halls globally!

Not many female artist alive today that have those accomplishments...

Posted by Harry on Saturday, 10.27.07 @ 11:49am


Metallica left off the list of nominees and Chic included what a bunch of crap!!!! But then I guess the hall is biased against Heavy Metal. Only 3 Metal bands are in (Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and AC/DC) 4 if you count Van Halen. Aerosmith might have been Metal in the 70's but now they're a pop rock joke. They might as well change the name to The Pop Music Hall of Fame. The only act nominated this year that I would vote for is The Ventures

Posted by karl on Sunday, 10.28.07 @ 02:29am


I can't believe they keep overlooking the obvious. They act as if the 70's never existed....and the only artists from the 80's they remember are the mega stars (Michael Jackson, Madonna, etc) or Punk/New Wave acts. Here's a short list...with
brief explanations WHY....

<b>Yes</b>
Helped define "Prog Rock", as well as set a standard for live performance, utilizing elaborate stage sets, lighting, scenery, and lasers before anyone else was doing it.

<b>Genesis</b>
Same as Yes, only with more "art" in the presentation. Also, they went from "prog" to mainstream pop/rock with the greatest of ease, translating into a completely different era.

<b>Chicago</b>
They are 2nd most successful American band in history (Beach Boys are first). It's shameful they haven't even been nominated yet. What an oversight.

<b>Neil Diamond</b>
A living legend...overlooked and passed by. Again, shameful.

<b>Grand Funk Railroad</b>
Innovative and a great influence on many, many bands who followed them.

<b>Moody Blues</b>
Set the stage for art rock and progressive rock with the release of "Days Of Future Past". Awesome songwriting and innovative recordings, paving the way for many artists who followed in their footsteps. After massive initial success through the late 60's - 70's, had a resurgence through the 80's and 90's with great hits on the charts and incredible sold-out tours. Hall Of Famers for sure.

<b>Barry Manilow</b>
Soft rock, yes, but this guy created a new kind of ballad that paved the way for many rock bands to score #1 hits with "power ballads". This is still going on today, and Barry is the grand daddy of the form. They'll never induct him, but this is the #1 Adult Contemporary artist of all time.

<b>Jeff Lynne (Producer)</b>
Although ELO may never get nominated, they need to put it's creator/leader Jeff Lynne into the Hall of Fame for his innovations...and genius, if you like...based on his production work for ELO, himself, and many other artists including The Beatles, Traveling Wilburys, Tom Petty, George Harrison, Paul McCartney, etc. Jeff has earned his place in The Hall.

<b>Ringo Starr</b>
Sure, they'll induct the great Motown, Philly, and Muscle Shoals sidemen, but because of his massive celebrity and full-fledge status in The Beatles, overlook Ringo - who is more responsible for the way rock drums are played today than anyone else on the planet. Before Ringo started smacking "2" and "4" decisively, we were immune to corny surf beats, pseudo jazz grooves, and hillbilly hacking on rock 'n roll records. The Rock Hall should recognize Ringo for his innovative drumming. No drummer in the rock era deserves this recognition more.

<b>Metallica</b>
Perhaps the most successful heavy metal band of all time. HOW could they NOT induct these guys?

<b>T. Rex</b>
Innovative, stylistic, unique, and important. Marc Bolan and company basically invented "glam", and their influence could be felt for decades.

<b>Wings</b>
One of the most successful groups of the 70's, but completely overshadowed by The Beatles. When they inducted Paul as a solo artist, they were probably figuring Wings into the equation as well - but that mindset betrays Paul's important collaborators: wife Linda and the underrated Denny Laine...as well as the other members of Wings, who should be recognized simply for the massive success they achieved during their era.

<b>B-52s</b>
Punk/Pop innovation. Without them, MANY things that followed would never have happened.

<b>The Cars</b>
Another group of Punk/Pop innovators. Thanks to The Cars we were treated to an accessible form of Punk called "New Wave".

<b>Journey</b>
One of the greatest, most successful "powerpop" bands of the 70's/80's...but far more, great songwriters, performers, and recording artists. The sheer virtuosity of Steve Perry's lead vocals, along with the musicianship of Neal Schon, Ross Valory, Steve Smith, Gregg Rollie, and (later) Jonathan Cain, should make the induction of Journey a "given". Not so, I guess....

<b>Styx</b>
One of the top-selling and most important bands of their era. They could be heavy rock....art rock....soft....VERY soft...and just about everything in between. Styx should definitely be recognized.

<b>KISS</b>
Innovators of "gimmick rock", influencing many artists and bands who followed them. Their songs weren't bad either...and their popularity speaks for itself. KISS were as important to "Arena Rock" as The Sex Pistols were to "Punk".

<b>Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers</b>
Innovative for fusing styles while staying contemporary and radio-worthy. Another group who influenced MANY bands who were to follow them.

<b>Todd Rundgren</b>
An extremely creative, innovative, and talented performer, musician, songwriter, producer of his era. Like Neil Diamond, Rundgren is yet another living legend who has been completely overlooked by the Hall of Fame.

<b>Cat Stevens</b>
Although he's been nominated several times, he's been blackballed from actual induction because he's controversial...a converted Muslim who dropped out of the music business at the height of his success. In actual fact, Cat's career was waning at the time of his departure, but his songs and recordings make a definitive soundtrack for the 1970's. This is a true artist who deserves to be recognized for some of the most memorable songs of an era.

<b>Alice Cooper</b>
I'm of the feeling that Alice has been left out because "Alice Cooper" was originally a band with a lead singer, Vince Furnier, who became "Alice" after the band's initial success. Does the Hall induct the band or the MAN? Whatever the case, by keeping him (or them) out, they're overlooking innovation, great recordings, and a wildly successful live act transcending multiple eras.

<b>Peter Frampton</b>
Not only should Peter be recognized for his massive chart-topping success in the 70's, it should be pointed out that he was the first mainstream rock guitarist to have success breaking out of the typical "blues scale" or pentatonic way of playing rock solos, incorporating major scale based jazz and classical licks into his playing, making his guitar solos (both with Humble Pie and as a solo artist) some of the most memorable in history. In addition, Peter (along with Joe Walsh) put the "talkbox" on the map with the very successful "Do You Feel Like We Do" from his multi-platinum "Frampton Comes Alive".

This list could go on and on...but you get the idea. They're already jumping straight into the "rap" era....so many of these great artists from the 60's/70's/80's are going to be overlooked for a long, long time.

Posted by Vince S. on Friday, 11.2.07 @ 09:54am


Interesting list....so you've obviously never listened to The Replacements then.

And Tom Petty is already in the Hall Of Fame.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11.2.07 @ 13:11pm


STOOGES! STOOGES! STOOGES!

Not that Iggy or anyone cares, but still. They're too fuckin' good.

Posted by b on Friday, 11.2.07 @ 15:37pm


The RR HoF has again missed the opportunity to nominate (the original) MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA (1971-1973). This powerhouse progressive group of ass kickers came on the scene like a lightning bolt and influcenced musicians from Jeff Beck to Santana and Journey. And a whole host of others. Its a pity that musicians of this monster calliber are ignored by the Hall of Fame voters for lesser acts whose contributions pale in comparison. Many of us fans who saw this group had a life changing experience in music that should be recognized and honored in the RR Hof.

Posted by Phil on Friday, 11.2.07 @ 22:16pm


I think New Kids On The Block should be inducted. Without them there'd be no NSYNC or Backstreet Boys.

Posted by Kim on Monday, 11.5.07 @ 13:41pm


"I think New Kids On The Block should be inducted. Without them there'd be no NSYNC or Backstreet Boys." - Kim

Don't forget Boys-2-Men, O-Town, 98 Degrees, S-Club 7 and Hanna Montana too!
Thank you Kim for this fine presentaion on why INFLUENCE cannot stand alone (with Innovation)as the gatekeepers of a HOF; for it is a fickle beast.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 11.5.07 @ 13:49pm


"Don't forget Boys-2-Men, O-Town, 98 Degrees, S-Club 7 and Hanna Montana too!
Thank you Kim for this fine presentaion on why INFLUENCE cannot stand alone (with Innovation)as the gatekeepers of a HOF; for it is a fickle beast."

I hope all of them get inducted. Hannah Montana is inspiring Beatlelike audiences. Definitely Boys2Men because they had several of the biggest hits of the 90's. Remember End of the Road? How about I'll Make Love To You? Great important songs. 98 Degrees definitely if only because of Nick Lachey. I'm sure Nick Lachey will be inducted and I'll cheer him on!

Posted by Kim on Monday, 11.5.07 @ 14:02pm


To all who say this one or that one should be inducted, don't forget the 25 year rule.

Posted by m on Wednesday, 11.7.07 @ 08:10am


It has been a very long time, but FINALLY, America is getting over discophobia!

Donna Summer is a pioneer in dance music and should definetly get inducted. David Bowie, who also worked with Niles Rodgers of Chic, has reportedly said, amongst others such as Roxy Music, Blondie, & the Human League, that Donna Summer's hits helped change music.

Posted by Harry on Saturday, 11.10.07 @ 15:43pm


Fuck the rock hall those cocksuckers. How the fuck do you snumb metallica? 100 million fucking records world wide and your going to induct loser acts like the beasty boys and people no one's ever heard of. Bunch of fucking morons

Posted by Eric on Monday, 11.12.07 @ 16:09pm


I'm sure it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that Kill 'Em All came out in '83, thus making the 25 year mark 2008. How is it that people can theoretically come to the same conclusions as I do but be completely wrong in doing so? It's enough to make me second-guess my support of Metallica in the first place.

Posted by William on Monday, 11.12.07 @ 16:19pm


When is Future Rock Hall making their induction predictions?

Posted by David on Wednesday, 11.14.07 @ 09:13am


This is the rock and roll hall of fame and should induct rock artist. Maybe Madonna has done something rock like so yea let her in but come on with Donna Summer. Maybe they should make a Rap hall of fame and have guys like Run DMC and the Beasties in there. Beaties have only made a handfull of albums in their life and none of them are good enough to get into the hall. Donna Summer and Chic are not rock and John Mellencamp is OK but really does he deserve to get in while others don't. I was in high school in the 80's and we all talked about Kiss, Cheap Trick, Blue Oster Cult, Styx and everyone wanted to play Rush. I have never ever heard of Africa Bambobo of whatever his or her or their name is. And at best the Beasties were a noventy act kind of like The Archies were.

Posted by John A. Miller on Wednesday, 11.14.07 @ 09:37am


"Beaties have only made a handful of albums in their life and none of them are good enough to get into the hall." - John A. Miller

Reading the rest of that, I can safely say that you're a few sandwiches short of a hip hop picnic. The Beasties at their best thrashes KISS Cheap Trick and Styx, and could easily challenge BOC.

"I have never ever heard of Africa Bambobo of whatever his or her or their name is." - John A. Miller

I'll refrain from calling you a racist, as the chances are that you're just plain thick. If you're not aware of somebody's work, DO NOT START/GET IN A CONVERSATION ABOUT THEM

"And at best the Beasties were a noventy act kind of like The Archies were." - John A. Miller

Rubbish. Complete shite, infact. If something is not to your taste, then say so before you bash it

Posted by liam on Wednesday, 11.14.07 @ 11:05am


If you could remove 5 artists already inducted and exchange their spots with 5 you think SHOULD be in there right now, who would these be on both ends?

Posted by shawn on Thursday, 11.15.07 @ 10:01am


I'm not COMPLETELY sure who is inducted, but as for people I would put IN:

Brian Eno,
New Order,
Joy Division,
The Cure,
and Rush


not primarily for artisitic merit, just to keep anon shutup

Posted by liam on Thursday, 11.15.07 @ 11:11am


Off the top of my head, probably missing someone. How about exchanging:

Traffic, Richie Valens, Percy Sledge, The Ronettes, and George Harrison

for:

Genesis, Moody Blues, Chicago, Rush, and The Cars?

Posted by A-Killa on Thursday, 11.15.07 @ 12:07pm


If I was being serious, I would put Roxy Music instead of Rush

Posted by liam on Thursday, 11.15.07 @ 12:40pm


A-Killa, good list except dumping Traffic. Traffic deserves its induction.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 11.15.07 @ 16:15pm


I have to admit Liam, when I read that, it made me chuckle...thanks for thinkin' of the boys up North!

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 11.15.07 @ 16:39pm


Me? I'm always thinking about Oasis...

Posted by liam on Thursday, 11.15.07 @ 16:47pm


Well, you had mentioned Rush, so that is why I said that...

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 11.15.07 @ 19:45pm


I'd remove Valens, Sledge, Raitt, Seger and ZZ Top. I'd replace them with the top five in my queue for induction: Brian Eno, The Stooges, Kraftwerk, Joy Division and Leonard Cohen.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 11.15.07 @ 23:01pm


"Leonard Cohen" - for the RRHOF - now that is funny, esp considering all the artists still out in the cold, Lol....Lol....:-)

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 11.16.07 @ 05:44am


Has anyone ever given consideration to the SCORPIONS!! They became eligible in 1997 and here it is 10 yrs. later and they have never been nominated!! NOT ONCE!!!!!! What is wrong with this picture!! Over 75 million albums sold, 16 studio albums, 5 live albums, numerous compilations....not to mention that they are well past the "25 yr." mark. Guitarist Rudolph Schenker started the band in 1965, Klaus Meine followed in 1970. This band has been around for a long damn time, and they are the most underrated, unappreciated band there is. Not to mention that their record label BMG, totally sucks when it comes to promoting them.

Come on people!! Give credit where credit is due!!!! It really pisses me off to know that bands like the Monkee's, have been inducted, or the possibilty of the Beastie Boys being inducted over the Scorpions. I think someone needs some sense knocked into them by a Flying-V or a Gibson Explorer!!

Posted by Tonia on Friday, 11.16.07 @ 08:51am


But did the Scorpions ever really do anything innovative? As far as I know, they were a straight-ahead hard rock band their whole career. Staying around for 40 years and selling 75 million albums is praiseworthy but it doesn't make them Hall of Famers. You can appreciate a good solid band without endorsing them for the Hall of Fame.

Posted by A-Killa on Friday, 11.16.07 @ 09:16am


Here is another interesting music site that includes writeups on the '08 HoF nominees. They endorse everyone except Cohen.

www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_halloffame_08.html

Posted by A-Killa on Friday, 11.16.07 @ 09:21am


"Well, you had mentioned Rush, so that is why I said that..."

Cheer up, anon, it was a joke

Posted by liam on Friday, 11.16.07 @ 10:31am


"Cheer up, anon, it was a joke"

Oh, better keep your day job then...

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 11.16.07 @ 17:27pm


"Oh, better keep your day job then..." -anon

Dude..(heavy sigh) -- you are sometimes so right on the cusp of just barely NOT being a tool -- and then you go and blow it - do you just have a blown fuse somewhere in your wiring?
Liam's comment/joke about alwayd having Oasis on his mind was perfect -- self-efacing and also a nudge to you about giving him a hard time about it. I laughed.
Why are you so hopelessly obtuse so often? You're just always going to be a dork I guess.

Posted by shawn on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 10:16am


"Why are you so hopelessly obtuse so often? You're just always going to be a dork I guess."

Way to over analyze it...it was a joke my dad used to make when someone was trying to be funny, but was not..that's all it was, nothing else. It was said "lightly" and meant for Liam to take it that way.

But, at this point, I expect that verbosity and level of stupidity on your part...keep up the good work you fuckin hick

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 11:51am


"But, at this point, I expect that verbosity and level of stupidity on your part...keep up the good work you fuckin hick"

No, anon, if anyone here is a 'hick' it is you. My original comment was intended as a joke, and your following comment gave me and shawn the impression that you didn't get it.

Talk about 'over the head'

Posted by liam on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 13:35pm


I live in NYC area - no cows here. I knew you were joking...obviously, you are not "always" thinking of Oasis...I was just going with it, so to speak - I guess you misunderstood - that happens when typing on a blog

Keep your day job was a joke too...oh well....BTW, either way Shawn is a moron and a hick....he probably is cow tipping right now - LOL

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 14:17pm


"Well, you had mentioned Rush, so that is why I said that..."

Which part, exactly, was funny/meant to be funny?

"Keep your day job was a joke too...oh well"

And a rubbish, day-to-day, overused one at that

"he probably is cow tipping right now"

That would be funny if

a) I was American

b) it had ANY relevance to what's going on, rather than being some random remark that you probably laughed at for about a week

c) you hadn't put LOL at the end of it; just ruins whatever humour there might have been

Posted by liam on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 15:20pm


Wow, Liam..wow

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 15:57pm


"Wow, Liam..wow" - anon

You are the consummate waste of time Anon. There you go again, step by step, with your fucking jackass TOOL kit, building your throne of imagined enlightenment. Your like a professional Ass Clown. Yea Anon...... it's US -- not you. God you are an insufferable self arrogated boob.

May I have your NYC address so that i may send you a Christmas gift? I'm going to get you a little window. Yea, you can install it right about bellybutton level. It's so you can see out since your head is lodged so far up your ass.

Posted by shawn on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 19:58pm


Shawn, you take yourself way too serious...lord help you...and no I would not give you my address, you would not last 5 minutes here....

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 22:42pm


"Shawn, you take yourself way too serious...lord help you...and no I would not give you my address, you would not last 5 minutes here...."

Oooooh yea anon - cause you're such lone wolf badass type, roaming the mean streets of NYC, a real Chuck Norris you are - and I know nothing of your gritty world.
What the hell does any of what i popinted out have to do with "taking myself seriously"? You're like the goddamn David Copperfield of ass talk - always some randon non-sequiter bunny or dove you're pulling out of your bunghole.
You are such a fucking tool. Such a tool.

Posted by shawn on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 23:23pm


You just can't stop, can you? All this b/c I did not "Cheer up"...c'mon

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 11.18.07 @ 03:00am


"All this b/c I did not "Cheer up""

Right anon, that's it. It's all because Shawn and Liam can't appreciate the essence of you - you don't provoke irritation or exasperation whatsoever (here is the part where you LOL, tell us to 'get a life', 'relax', generally act like an obtuse putz). And over the last 7 months it's neer been you - it's been the obvious defects of William, Kit, and eveb Dezmond once or twice.

You're the goddamn paragon of wisdom and wit and admirability. Tool.

Posted by shawn on Sunday, 11.18.07 @ 08:07am


Dude, this is not the fuckin Oprah Winfrey Show or Dr. Phil. Talk about music already. Look, when typing on these blogs, the message can get lost, the tone is lost, etc. That is what happens on blogs...I have had no beef with any of those people you list and have nothing against them - except in instances when I do not agree with them. Sorry, but certain people on this site act like know it alls at times - sometimes they are right, and sometimes not, so I give my opinion. You wouldn't know of course because you are so far up their asses...but nice try in attempting once again align with them in some juvenile coalition...this is not high school...honestly, are you on any psychotropics?

As for How do you take youself and this WAY, WAY too serious? Well, for starters, as I just said, your attempt at developing cliques on this blog is down right weird. And, remember, you are the guy that chastises 12 year olds and adolescents who blog here (i.e. see Mellencamp page) - a 40 something "arguing" with children - nuf' said....

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 11.18.07 @ 08:40am


"nuf' said...."

No, anon, not nearly enough has been said. You regularly post comments that shawn and I (I won't bring any other names into this) find irritating, innacurate, incomprehensible, sluggish and boring.

That would be OK, but to turn around and act like WE are the ones who need to conform is just a fucking piss take.

"so I give my opinion. You wouldn't know of course because you are so far up their asses"

How contradictory, anon. Totally unlike you! Did you just forget about how you took the 'anal sex comment'?

Posted by liam on Sunday, 11.18.07 @ 11:05am


"you would not last 5 minutes here...." - anon

Can't honestly imagine someone who deifies Rush being very street-wise.

Posted by liam on Sunday, 11.18.07 @ 13:26pm


"a 40 something "arguing" with children - nuf' said...."

Hahahahahahaha!!!! Couldn't have nailed it better myself, anon. How wonderfully perfect.

Posted by shawn on Sunday, 11.18.07 @ 21:36pm


"Dude, this is not the fuckin Oprah Winfrey Show or Dr. Phil. Talk about music already." -anon

Says the dork just before he spouts off 150+ more words and 3 more posts of his own on nothing about music. Har-dee-har.

"I have had no beef with any of those people you list and have nothing against them" - anon

Yup. I mean, it's not like we have 7 months worth of printed proof that completely contradicts THAT, do we?

"..except in instances when I do not agree with them." -anon

Because conflict always occurs when you do agree with someone, sure. This is great stuff, anon.

"Sorry, but certain people on this site act like know it alls at times" -anon

So much for 'having no beef with them'. Dork.


"You wouldn't know of course because you are so far up their asses" - anon

See Anon, when two individuals actually have cogent lines of thought and aren't tedious bufoons, they often do something called
"Agreeing". They can even share a laugh or attain mutual respect. I understand, you poor troll, that this is something strange and foreign to your world, so when you observe others in harmonious exchange the bitter machinery in your head likes to call that "ass-kissing". Pity the fool.

"...but nice try in attempting once again align with them in some juvenile coalition...this is not high school.."

What? I assure you Anon, neither I nor any of the regulars I mentioned have the petty impulse to form any silly clique. You're conjuring up phantom conspiracies. We may have a common exasperation with you, but that comes naturally and not from any effort at allignment. Most people also dislike drunk beligerants - doesn't make them "a club".

"Look, when typing on these blogs, the message can get lost, the tone is lost, etc. That is what happens on blogs..." - anon

Ah, the old hackneyed chestnut: "posts/emails can't be translated correctly". You are pleading "misunderstood", or some similar rubbish then?

Let me illustrate one classic Anon habit through analogy... see if you can follow it:

Shawn, Liam, Dezmond, Kit, SG, Casper, Wiiliam and Anon all work in the same office. The others are bewildered as to why their one co-worker refuses to go by his own name, but oh well. He's kinda funny; wears Rush concert t's on Casual Friday, claims he is actually a doctor, laughs to himself a lot. He's "That Guy".

Anyway, Anon comes into work occasionally wearing nothing but a hideous lime green thong. Walks around the cubicles with his junk barely covered, his hideous hairy ass exposed when he uses the copier. When one coworker objects, Anon says "What? I'm not innappropriately dressed - you're one of those "fully dressed" snobs - you think you know everything about wardrobe - this is how I roll.
When a couple of others concur that Anon is an offense, Anon calls them ass kissers, a clique. To divert attention from his thong offense, he then pours lighter fluid on his hair and lights it on fire. Anon cries: "Is this better?! You happy now?!"
The original complainer replies, "WTF? What does that have to do with your near nudity?"

Anon cries, "You need to relax - my thong is old news. Besides, I'm not offensive - you're UNDER dressed. LOL, LOL..."

Later that day they are all leaving work and pile into the same elevator.
Anon lets loose a rank and vile fart in the enclosed space. Shawn complains, "You fucking farted."
Anon says, "No I didn't. You did"
Shawn says, "Jesus Krist Anon, what is wrong with you - that is awful?"
Anon first says, "I did not fart." Then he morphs into, "Whoo -I see you are a smell expert, Shawn! My fart is not offensine - it smells of Jasmine and Vanilla. Get a life, stop taking yourself so seriously."
Shawn says, "Bullshit. That smells like a diaper full of Indian food. What's wrong with you? Did you eat some kind of wild game last night? Cripes."
Anon then says, "Stop wasting our time with talk of odors - wer'e in an elevator and I'm just concerned with getting somewhere. You're all caught up in smells and such."
Shawn, "DUDE! You fucking polluted our common air with yoiur vile ass fumes."
Liam dares to concur.
Anon bemoans, "I see - you're forming a clique Shawn. How typical.
Rush rules. 'Nuf said."

Posted by shawn on Monday, 11.19.07 @ 09:15am


That is some post there Shawn, what did you spend an hour on it...you are what my friend used to call a "wind up doll." As I said, you take this way too serious...try to have some fun with it. And, yes I have had my disagreements with Kit, William, Liam (as they have had with many, many other bloggers other than myself). But, the point is, they are also very knowledgable about music and contrary to what you believe, I respect their opinions, despite the fact that I do not always agree with them. I having nothing against someone that is nothing more than an unknown name on a screen...

now don't you have some poor child to chastise about how their musical interests are immature?

Posted by Anon on Monday, 11.19.07 @ 10:50am


"now don't you have some poor child to chastise about how their musical interests are immature?"

COme on, Anon, there's some MUCH better ammunition that you could have used!!

Posted by liam on Monday, 11.19.07 @ 13:39pm


"Come on, Anon, there's some MUCH better ammunition that you could have used!!"

Like what? Help me out :-) Were you referring to the long made up story about some pretend "office"? :-)

Posted by Anon on Monday, 11.19.07 @ 13:45pm


"As I said, you take this way too serious...try to have some fun with it"

When obviously YOU are the reason some of us don't enjoy this. I happen to enjoy how you'll misinterpret a certain commentto such an extent that the situation actually manages to REGRESS.

"I having nothing against someone that is nothing more than an unknown name on a screen..."

In case you didn't realise; nobody is buying that bullshit. You must have said identical things in different ways about fifty times, so you're obviously a bit of a dork if you can't make the connection between:

how often you use that argument

and

how nobody has ever said 'Gosh, anon, you're obviously right! Now that I think about it, you were right all along!'

Posted by liam on Monday, 11.19.07 @ 13:52pm


If you really want to get some effect, you could always make your own story with a similiar theme, but just play on other commenters stereotypes.

Posted by liam on Monday, 11.19.07 @ 14:20pm


"That is some post there Shawn, what did you spend an hour on it..?"

Nope. Actually spent about 5 minutes on it; you're that easy to mock.

"As I said, you take this way too serious...try to have some fun with it." - anon

You are now officially a parody of yourself, you rueful village idiot. I believe that the number of times you've thrown that insipid comment out as a return volley is into the double digits.
And I am indeed having fun with it, you clown. Keep talking and I'll have some more fun.

"I respect their opinions, despite the fact that I do not always agree with them." - anon

Sometimes you seem to. But what you have virtually no respect for (as evidenced in countless dust-ups) is the rule of logic, the rule of obvious, the rule of implication and common sense.
You will say, "Humph. So much for those so called experts who say the world is round!"
Then someone replies, naturally, "What the hell are you talking about? It's a known fact that the earth is round!"
To which you will then tediously gripe, "I never said the world wasn't a sphere. You are misinterpreting me."
Other poster: "You just scoffed at the notion of a round earth - you wrote it!"
Anon: "That's your opinion. Don't take this so seriously. LOL, LOL. What are you, Magellan?"

The one thing that all of the other regulars have in common is that they respect the other's intelligence. When someone makes a subtle joke, an analogy, follows a line of logic....... we get it.
You, on the other hand, constantly shit your pants and then put up your dukes to punch us when we complain of the smell and point to the stain.

C'mon Anon - what's your real name?







"now don't you have some poor child to chastise about how their musical interests are immature?"
- anon

Why - do you want to talk about Neil Peart's poetry again?
(by the way - that "child" you keep refering to and trying to shame me with was more like a vitriolic 17-year old; I have no embarassment about spanking his relatively young rear for spouting his foul-mouthed faux patriotism. You should stop whacking me with that Nerf hammer)

Posted by shawn on Monday, 11.19.07 @ 14:54pm


"I was just going with it, so to speak"

What, you mean like driving into a ditch still counts as 'going with it'?

Posted by liam on Monday, 11.19.07 @ 15:23pm


Dude, that is some funny shit...I gotta admit it. Now, I know you are just kidding around, that can't be for real...I mean no 40 something could take the "Future Rock" hall blog that serious, feel this need to respond to every statement I make....

I love the part where you stick it the 17 year old for "spouting his foul-mouthed faux patriotism." Classic, definitely classic...Shawn, you are a funny guy...

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 11.19.07 @ 17:58pm


Suggestion: The webmaster here create a new side section called "Personal Issues", so all of these posts that have nothing to do with music or the Rockhall can all reside there, and we can get back to discussing...oh, I don't know...topics that are related to the purpose of this site?

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 11.20.07 @ 08:22am


"I love the part where you stick it the 17 year old for "spouting his foul-mouthed faux patriotism." Classic, definitely classic...Shawn, you are a funny guy..."

THIS is exactly why we get so fucking pissed off at you, anon. You keep pushing the same excuse for an argument/comeback/LOL and then expect us to shutup.

"and we can get back to discussing...oh, I don't know...topics that are related to the purpose of this site?"

Remember that it is anon's fauklt since he seems intent on the fact that HE didn't get MY joke, and the idea that it's MY fault

Posted by liam on Tuesday, 11.20.07 @ 11:26am


"..so all of these posts that have nothing to do with music or the Rockhall can all reside there, and we can get back to discussing..." -Dezmond

I was expecting this eventually.
You know, we start out on a musical subject (in this case it was a light exchange about Liam including Rush in his list of 5 snubs, and a pretty funny & self-effacing joke he made about his affection for Oasis).

Every now and then some crazy-eyed fanboy will divebomb us and get into a barfight with one of us regulars that lasts for 3 or 4 posts, occasionally a bit more, but then it's over. Seen almost all of us tangle with the random squawker at one time.

Anon is a fucking wonder - a beau ideal of antagonism. He is the hemerrhoid on our collective ass. He itches and burns and pierces.

Liam had some hilarious comments about him, one of which I particularly liked - Anon will "follow it through like driving it into a ditch". Also as Liam put it, he fucks around with things so much that situations actualy regress.

I must admit that I could choose to ignore his insufferable antics; but he is like a cheese grater on my sensibilities - it's my instinct to smite him and shut him the hell up.

I stand by my analogy - he pollutes our common air here - he farts in our elevator and laughs about it. I understand Liam's irritation with the boob - I share it. He is a rank and silly thing.

Words are what we deal in here - it's an idle recreation, not serious, sure.... but when someone continually talks nonsense and won't shut his pie-hole, I guess I am likely to try to punch him in the head.... even if that violates the sanctity of the Rockhall/musical theme here.

I apologize to anyone who has to read through my posts with Anon. What choice do you have, with that shotgun I hold to your chest, forcing you to read aloud each and every word........ oh wait... I didn't do any of that. Nevermind.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 11.20.07 @ 15:30pm


Shawn, I would tend to agree with Dez, just stick to music. Your overblown, warped analogies leave much to be desired. It is YOU who talks the non-sense (i.e. "he farts in our elevator and laughs about it" or "He is the hemerrhoid on our collective ass. He itches and burns and pierces."). Could you be any more primitive and just plain disgusting? Shawn, maybe I have contributed to this "personal" stuff, as Dez calls it, but I see you posting here in the same way as well - you are not above it - you are part of the problem. Stick to music!

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 11.20.07 @ 16:40pm


Plus, most of the "arguments" we have had (aside from this one or maybe one other) have not been "personal" anyway. They have been about music, so whats the problem? Sorry, I cannot simply agree with anyone on this site for conformity sake. So, if I or anyone else throws in an insult once in awhile, who cares? Its a fuckin' anonymous music blog - right? with people we do not know in any capacity except for their taste in music....plus, Shawn, Liam, Kit, William, myself, etc. have ALL pissed someone off on this site at some time. Do you know how many times I have seen William, Shawn or Kit in "arguments" with other bloggers? Dozens of times. It is a fact - I mean do I need to go back to show you? Obviously not, since it is all here in plain English. So, if you want to chastise me for being argumentative, annoying, etc. charge the same crime to the others. Now, I really gotta run, to get some work done....and Shawn please no more references to asses, farting, or hemmrhoids - I did not eat dinner yet :-)

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 11.20.07 @ 16:54pm


Oh, stop Shawn - now, I know it took a lot of restraint to not write more - right? Now, why can't we just kiss and make up already?? I just rubbed some preparation H on myself - see how soothing everything is now?

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 11.20.07 @ 23:47pm


You still don't/won't get it, but at this point I don't know what to do, other than continue to bludgeon you, but even that is actually losing its sport. Carry on, Black Knight (sigh).

I do give you props though, Anon for the Prep H joke - I laughed.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 11.21.07 @ 10:58am


"I mean no 40 something could take the "Future Rock" hall blog that serious, feel this need to respond to every statement I make...."

You should count yourself lucky, really. I've met plenty of people who would have just shunned you altogether by now.

If you don't get it, I'll use an example. I'm sure you remeber that fucking list I stuck on a few months ago. After a few comments, I realized that I was just digging myself into a hole, and eventually I saw that there was no rope to get myself out.

You've just gotta shutup in these circumstances. And I don't mean use one of those feeble excuses for a last-word

Posted by liam on Wednesday, 11.21.07 @ 11:30am


I was trying to be a bit comedic there - just to say no hard feelings.


"You've just gotta shutup in these circumstances"

As Borat would say, "Not."

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 11.21.07 @ 17:23pm


No way, Borat is the "shit", along with Ali G!

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 11.22.07 @ 17:04pm


"No way, Borat is the "shit", along with Ali G!"

No, Borat is the moment he sold himself for stupid fucking catchphrases, when he can obviously 'do' clever comedy.

Posted by liam on Friday, 11.23.07 @ 09:52am


Now, you are overthinking comedy - lighten up mate!

Posted by Anon on Friday, 11.23.07 @ 09:57am


"Now, you are overthinking comedy - lighten up mate!"

Sorry, but I've always had the idea that you were always underthinking. And from the fact that you failed to understand my joke about myself and Oasis, I can hardly say that you'd be the first person that I'd ask for advice on comedy.

Posted by liam on Friday, 11.23.07 @ 10:40am


Oh, please Liam...I have more intelligence than you could ever have on your best day...trust me. I have read your posts written in "broken" English. Plus, the content is not great either. And, did it occur to you that your joke was just not that funny?

Posted by Anon on Friday, 11.23.07 @ 12:37pm


No, I will not "trust" you, since you are, afterall, an "unknown name on a screen".

You'll be asking for my phone number next

Posted by liam on Friday, 11.23.07 @ 13:11pm


JOURNEY!

Shall I say more?

They should have been there before some others!

Steve Perry was the Man!

No one has a voice as he does!

Posted by Rob. Slonecker on Friday, 11.23.07 @ 18:41pm


"Oh, please Liam...I have more intelligence than you could ever have on your best day...trust me." -anon

Uh....me thinks not, anon. No. I've scolded you before on this, so listen up: you are not remotely smart enough to feel superior to anyone here. Just stop.

"And, did it occur to you that your joke was just not that funny?"

Yes it was. And that was never the point.
The point was that it went whizzing over your head.

Posted by shawn on Friday, 11.23.07 @ 21:09pm


Just when I thought you mellowed out, you go fighting other people's "battles." Oh, well...

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 11.23.07 @ 22:42pm


Anon, face it: the joke was funny, and you didnt get it.

The fact that you seem to find the concept of quoting the simpsons at all funny only helps my argument.

Posted by liam on Saturday, 11.24.07 @ 08:02am


So, now you know what I personally think is funny? Wow...Where do you buy the mind reading device? I really want to get my hands on one...

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 11.24.07 @ 12:07pm


Oh get over your fucking self, Anonymous.

I only have to look at the correaltion between about 3 of your turs-esque comments to see that you're a fuck up, and an arrogant one at that.

Posted by liam on Saturday, 11.24.07 @ 12:51pm


Okay, so now according to Liam, 1) I have no sense a humor, 2) I am a fuck up, and 3) I am arrogant....now what is that word, I cannot think of it, oh yeah, irony

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 11.24.07 @ 12:56pm


"now what is that word, I cannot think of it, oh yeah, irony"

Ofcourse, because you are a fuckup

Posted by liam on Saturday, 11.24.07 @ 12:59pm


"Okay, so now according to Liam, 1) I have no sense a humor, 2) I am a fuck up, and 3) I am arrogant....now what is that word, I cannot think of it.."

obvious.

Posted by shawn on Saturday, 11.24.07 @ 15:56pm


This list only proves how useless this has all become. I have no problem with the Ventures and DC5 going in now. And Madonna certainly has her place along with the B.B.'s, but there are way too many artists that have yet to be inducted that should go in before either of them; ex. Deep Purple, Alice Cooper, NY Dolls, etc.

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 11.24.07 @ 17:04pm


Semms like we may have exhausted all of the productive subject matter a couple of months ago - maybe all that can be said about this Hall has just about been said? How many different ways can we analyze and criticize it?
Now I'm just reading - and participating in some -shit slinging and jab trading; it's gotten very tiresome.
Even when I solicit some sincere insight on a band (see Pavement) I get little more than a grunt now.

This site has become something of a daily habit and comfort for me, but I need to move on, discipline myself to not click it in my favorites for a minimum of 6 weeks. So adios all, best wishes - even to you Anon.

Here's my last contribution:
List your 5 guiltiest pleasure albums - the ones you know you shouldn't listen to occasionally because they are critically panned, but you still throw on a couple times a year. Don't leave out the embarassing ones.
Mine:
1) Journey - "Escape" (1981)
2) Wings - "Back to the Egg" (1979)
3) Bryan Adams - "Reckless" (1983)
4) Crash Test Dummies - "God Shuffled His Feet" (1993) *although they get points for covering The Replacements' "Androgynous" in 1991*
5)Billy Idol - "Billy Idol's Greatest Hits"
(even like Flesh For Fantasy and Cradle of Love!!!)

Later All

Posted by shawn on Sunday, 11.25.07 @ 14:46pm


*Sniff*

Posted by liam on Sunday, 11.25.07 @ 14:48pm


Ironic, as I'm currently listening to Walkway by Cast

Posted by liam on Sunday, 11.25.07 @ 14:49pm


I'm afraid that if things fail to pick up relatively soon, then I too may up sticks for good.

I think its time that we DO start discussing 'contemporary' bands, as we've discussed almost all of the notable oldies.

Posted by liam on Sunday, 11.25.07 @ 15:36pm


Please, don't go....

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 11.25.07 @ 16:22pm


"Okay, so now according to Liam, 1) I have no sense a humor, 2) I am a fuck up, and 3) I am arrogant....now what is that word, I cannot think of it.."

Shawn

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 11.25.07 @ 16:24pm


"Ironic, as I'm currently listening to Walkway by Cast"

You're a wild and crazy kinda guy...

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 11.25.07 @ 16:26pm


Donna Summer can sing rock and roll. Just listen to her 1980 LP The Wanderer, where she ventured into Benatar/Blondie territory.

I'm not a huge fan of Kiss, but I think they should get in, just because they are living legends. I think rock critics take rock too seriously.

I definitely think Jeff Beck should get in. He's as great a guitarist as anyone.

Also, put in Jethro Tull, Chicago, Moody Blues, Yes, King Crimson, Genesis and Deep Purple.

Posted by brunvoo on Wednesday, 11.28.07 @ 01:07am


for 2008, I think these bands/artists should be inducted:
#1 choice: STYX -Let's face it, this is one of the most underrated groups of all time. They deserve to be in because they could rock so hard and yet be so soft and gentle. They fine-tuned prog rock, and did some awesome power-ballads. I feel that they are the American counterpart to the extremely successful British group Queen, because Queen did every thing from metal to soft pop, just like Styx does. Oh yeah, they should be inducted maybe just maybe because they were the FIRST GROUP TO HAVE 4 ALBUMS GO MULTIPLATINUM CONSECUTIVELY!!....i think they deserve it more than any other group
#2 choice: JOURNEY
The best power ballad band of all time! Their lead singer Steve Perry also had an incredible voice that few singers could touch. You can't listen to songs like "Don't Stop Believing and not pull out your lighter.
#3 JETHRO TULL
One of the most unique bands of all time, and they're still around and playing today. Their music had a really innovative prog. rock sound. I like Pink Floyd, but Tull's progressive sound was much more melodic that theirs. Honestly, who can half-sing and play the flute at the same time? Only Ian Anderson

#4 DEEP PURPLE, Why not?, they were the other band in the 3 heavy metal founders, along with Zeppelin and Sabbath. Also, Ian Gillan could scream, and not yell-scream, but actually sing-scream. All the musicians in this band were VERY talented, and yet underrated. Besides, they've been around since '67, longer than Sabbath or Zeppelin. (Mach II deserves it most)

#5 KISS, Okay they werent the most talented musicians, but their irresistable stage presence and catchy songs have won the award over their playing ability. Gene Simmons has truly become and icon, along with all the other members and their awesome costumes. Really, who doesn't like anthems like "Rock n Roll All Nite" and "Strutter"?? who???

Other possible inductees: Judas Priest, Cheap Trick, Chic, Heart, Doobie Brothers, The Zombies, The Cars, (The Misfits....maybe... i wish....)

Posted by klassikrokkfann on Wednesday, 11.28.07 @ 13:51pm


I'm glad that dave clark 5, donna summers & john melloncamp are nominated, the beastie boys,ok but madonna was given a no, why is she on this ballot. don't get me wrong, she deserves to be in, but I think these females are far more deserving to be in next year, the runaways, heart, pat benatar, kate bush and linsa ronstadt.

Posted by A.L. on Wednesday, 11.28.07 @ 20:16pm


Hey guys, I'm incredibly bored, and can't go out because I have a semi-mild hangover, so I decided to do one of these:

Inducted:

1. Steely Dan
2. The Who
3. The Doors
4. Jimi Hendrix/Experience
5. The Kinks
6. REM
7. David Bowie
8. Velvet Underground
9. Rolling Stones
10. The Byrds

Eligible but not Inducted:

1. Joy Division
2. The Buzzcocks
3. The Jam
4. New Order
5. Stooges
6. Brian Eno
7. Roxy Music
8. Depeche Mode
9. The Cure
10. Echo & the Bunnymen

Eligible within the next ten years:

1. The Smiths
2. Radiohead
3. Oasis
4. Spiritualized
5. Blur
6. Soundgarden
7. Jesus & Mary Chain
8. Happy Mondays
9. My Bloody Valentine
10. The Verve

Contemporary (bands marked 2022-2032 on our handy chart)
1. Arcade Fire
2. BRMC
3. The Coral
4. The Libertines
5. Dizzee Rascal
6. LCD Soundsystem
7. Franz Ferdinand
8. The Go! Team
9. Art Brut
10. Maximo Park

Fire Away, but don't bother if it's just to nitpick about me getting some dates wrong, r something.

Posted by liam on Friday, 11.30.07 @ 09:29am


Cool list...Soundgarden's kind of a left field pick considering the Brit-pop scene that you're into. Nice detour.

Steely Dan at #1 of the honorees? And no Beatles in the top ten? Latter is odd for such a huge fan of Oasis. And explain Steely for me. I dig the first album but the rest kind of loses me. What exactly sets them head and shoulders above the rest?

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 12.1.07 @ 02:36am


K. Time for a new Top Ten. The least deserving of Hall honors.

1. John Mellencamp
2. The possibility of Dave Clark Five, Chic, Donna Summer or The Ventures being enshrined this year
3. Bonnie Raitt
4. ZZ Top
5. Lynyrd Skynyrd
6. Ritchie Valens
7. Percy Sledge
8. Bob Seger
9. The Dells
10. The O' Jays

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 12.1.07 @ 02:42am


Casper, you're wrong on 70% of those.

Posted by Bill on Saturday, 12.1.07 @ 08:23am


Yeah, Steely Dan is a mistake. What I actually meant to do was get a list of my top ten in a random order, then configure it so that they were in the correct order. Which I forgot to do. I'd actually put Steely Dan at number 10, and if I remember any other notable artists, they'd probably get dropped.

Also, the reason I dropped the Beatles is because I'm kind of sick of Paul's most recent album, but I'm sure I'll get over it soon. I'd stick Suede in there too, probably instead of Spiritualized.

I was kind of hard pressed to make a list of only ten contemporary artists, which is surprising when you consider how generic and repetitive that alot UK music has become.

Posted by liam on Saturday, 12.1.07 @ 09:03am


For me, Leonard Cohen is one of the greatest folk poet of the 20th century with Bob Dylan and Neil Young. It's why he should be an Hall of Famer.
I hope Cat Stevens will be to soon.

Posted by Alex on Sunday, 12.2.07 @ 16:56pm


Report: Mellencamp in the Rock Hall;
official announcement due Dec. 13

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will announce its latest inductees Thursday, Dec. 13. Look for John Mellencamp to be among them.

"I found out I'm in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame," the heartland rocker said during a concert last week in Erie, Pa., according to the Erie Times-News.

Other nominees in the performer category include Afrika Bambaataa, the Beastie Boys, Chic, Leonard Cohen, the Dave Clark Five, Madonna, Donna Summer and the Ventures.

Five performers will be enshrined Monday, March 10, during a ceremony at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City, along with honorees in the sidemen and nonperformer categories.

The inductees originally were scheduled to be revealed next month, but the announcement was moved up because the Rock Hall finished counting ballots ahead of schedule, according to a hall spokeswoman.

Posted by David on Tuesday, 12.4.07 @ 14:18pm


How do you know that the inductees will be announced on Thursday, December 13? I thought we had to wait until January.

Please respond

Who are you?

Do you have connections?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.4.07 @ 14:53pm


The article says the announcement date has been changed to next week December 13th.

If you search around the web - you will see other music news outlets are NOW reporting the change of events.

I tell you what I am not.

I am not a fanboy and I am not a music snob.

Posted by David on Tuesday, 12.4.07 @ 15:52pm


2008!!!!INDUCT THE COWSILLS!!!!2008

Posted by theflowergirl on Tuesday, 12.4.07 @ 18:54pm


No, David is some higher place, only achieved through some sort of musical epiphany like writing Loveless or The Queen Is Dead.

Either that or he thinks alot of himself.

Posted by liam on Wednesday, 12.5.07 @ 11:12am



Report: Mellencamp in the Rock Hall;
official announcement due Dec. 13


Over my fucking dead body is John Mellencamp going to be in te same HOF as The Beatles, Rolling Stones and countless other great artists
He has not made a decent record in his career, his voice sucks, and his political views are bullshit.Look at Steve Miller, ELP, Jethro Tull, Three Dog Night, Fairport Convention, Steve Winwood,Doobie Brothers, Carole King solo (the list goes on)
artists who've left a memorable streak in the history of RnR, and they're being snubbed for younger acts that deserve to wait another 10-20 years. Jann Wenner, Jon Landau and the rest of these assholes who call themselves RnR experts at the board should be shot for the decisions they're making.

Posted by xavier on Wednesday, 12.5.07 @ 18:11pm


John Mellencamp is a "younger" act? He's 56 years old!

And I'm tired of people saying "They don't belong in the same Hall as the Beatles and Stones!" No one is as good as the Beatles and Stones, and probably no one ever will be. So what do you want, the Hall to just stop inducting people? Should the Baseball Hall of Fame stop inducting anyone unless they were as good as Willie Mays?

Posted by A-Killa on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 08:27am


"No one is as good as the Beatles and Stones, and probably no one ever will be."-A-Killa

I'm going to have to disagree immensely.

Posted by William on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 09:05am


OK William, but I'm sure you know that you're in a very small minority with that opinion. While they weren't the "best" bands ever from a musical talent standpoint, you'd be hard-pressed to prove that the Beatles and Stones were the most relevant and influential rock bands in history, and it's difficult to imagine any band/artist attaining that level of popularity today.

Posted by A-Killa on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 11:20am


I have said that myself many times. You really cannot compare current acts to the "giants" of rock, like the Who, Beatles, Stones, etc. A-Killa is right 100%. That is, while the Beatles or Stones may not possess the musical chops of later bands, no bands will ever be as huge as they have been in terms of musical and cultural influence. The ubiquity and influence of the Beatles, Stones, Elvis, etc. is undeniable. The point is, A-Killa is right, that people should cease the comparison thing already - it is trite at this point.

Posted by Anon on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 12:25pm


"I have said that myself many times. You really cannot compare current acts to the "giants" of rock.." - anon the ass

Idiot ass-talking liar.

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 02.11.07 @ 06:52a:

"John Mellencamp... His songs were okay, but were very much pop top 40 like hits. I just don't think his on par with acts like Simon and Garfunkel, Springsteen, etc. In fact, he is not even close...."

Dork.


Posted by Ignacio on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 13:03pm


Now who is Ignacio?? - Liam, Shawn....I would guess Shawn based upon the writing style. It is so funny that he pretends to leave this blog and then stays.

Anyway, nice to twist my words. I do think JM deserves induction, and it is funny because you did not list my later posts in which I clearly said that I was being too harsh on JM and that I was in fact making unfair comparisons...I openly admitted that I was being overly critical, in part in reaction to others posts....hmm, wonder why you left the later posts out...

The fact remains, you cannot compare acts to the "giants" of rock music, which would include bands like the Beatles, The Who, Stones, Elvis, Dylan, etc. I mean to say that JM should not be inducted because he is no Bob Dylan, well who is?? The point is, when you compare more current acts to these "giants", later bands and artists will invariably fall short.

Ass hole....

Posted by Anon on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 13:14pm


"No one is as good as the Beatles and Stones"

What a ludicrous statement! Really, you might aswell run around the street naked. Or something. How would a struggling yet talented young indie band feel if they heard you say that? Very downtrodden, that's what. Despite the fact that it isn't actually true, I'd like to remind you that it's ludicrous horse manure.

Before this gets into what it always becomes, i'll remind of the Stones recent outings, and of the Beatles solo careers (all of them, even John).

"hard-pressed to prove that the Beatles and Stones were the most relevant and influential rock bands in history"

Does that have anything to do with how "good" they are? No. Linkin Park are relevant to alot of people nowadays. I, personally, don't give a shit, and doubt I could even feign such ignorance (even at gunpoint).

"You really cannot compare current acts to the "giants" of rock, like the Who, Beatles, Stones"

Why? Because they sound different? Because the new ones need time to build up a back catalogue? I'd definitely call the Arcade Fire a "giant" of alternative music. I'd call The Libertines, even with two albums, masters of 'Indie Rock' (yeah, I know what you're gonna say about me using indie rock...).

"The point is, A-Killa is right, that people should cease the comparison thing already - it is trite at this point."

What? What the fuck is "the comparison thing"? Surely "the comparison thing" is something we do all the time, especially on this website? Am I wrong, or have you just chosen shitty wording again?





Posted by liam on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 13:17pm


"No one is as good as the Beatles and Stones"

What a ludicrous statement! Really, you might aswell run around the street naked. Or something. How would a struggling yet talented young indie band feel if they heard you say that? Very downtrodden, that's what. Despite the fact that it isn't actually true, I'd like to remind you that it's ludicrous horse manure.

Before this gets into what it always becomes, i'll remind of the Stones recent outings, and of the Beatles solo careers (all of them, even John).

"hard-pressed to prove that the Beatles and Stones were the most relevant and influential rock bands in history"

Does that have anything to do with how "good" they are? No. Linkin Park are relevant to alot of people nowadays. I, personally, don't give a shit, and doubt I could even feign such ignorance (even at gunpoint).

"You really cannot compare current acts to the "giants" of rock, like the Who, Beatles, Stones"

Why? Because they sound different? Because the new ones need time to build up a back catalogue? I'd definitely call the Arcade Fire a "giant" of alternative music. I'd call The Libertines, even with two albums, masters of 'Indie Rock' (yeah, I know what you're gonna say about me using indie rock...).

"The point is, A-Killa is right, that people should cease the comparison thing already - it is trite at this point."

What? What the fuck is "the comparison thing"? Surely "the comparison thing" is something we do all the time, especially on this website? Am I wrong, or have you just chosen shitty wording again?





Posted by liam on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 13:17pm


Ignacio say you dee "special boy" in dee corner who writes only with dee big purple crayon and eats paste and smells his fingers and screams "Franks and Beans!" every now and then, but tinks he ees so smart.
I laugh at choo, choo 'tard.

Posted by mexicanconnection on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 13:31pm


Liam, I don't know of any other way to define "best". Why don't you give it a shot instead of dismissing my statement as "horse manure". A statement, by the way, that would greatly offend me if you weren't an anonymous person typing a keyboard on the other side of the world.

To clarify my original point yet again: in the last three and a half decades, no one has even approached the cultural relevancy and fame attained by the Beatles and Rolling Stones. Therefore I feel safe in saying it's unlikely that any band ever will, though it's not impossible.

Posted by A-Killa on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 13:51pm


Liam, take a deep breath. My point and I believe A-Killa's as well is that many people (not you per se) will say that a band or artist should not be inducted b/c they do not compare to some huge band (like the Beatles, Stones, Dylan, etc.). We were just saying that it is unfair to do that.

Again, A-Killa is right! No one will ever attain the fame, influence and notoriety of those bands. That is not necessarily a bad thing - it just is.

As for the Mexican connection - get a life Shawn - I mean you are a married guy in his 40's! - grow up.

Posted by Anon on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 13:58pm


Furthermore, your Linkin Park analogy doesn't work. The Beatles and Stones, quite literally, changed the world. They were, and are, some of the most famous, recognizable human beings in the world. Musically, nearly every rock band that followed them has attempted to imitate one or both bands, to varying degrees. Linkin Park is currently a popular band but certainly not world-famous, and they haven't really innovated anything musically. They're just a popular band right now, in 2007, no more, no less. The Beatles and Stones are remembered in 2007, and will be remembered in 2027, 2057, and probably 2107. I'm not sure if you can say that about anyone else. Elvis, maybe.

Posted by A-Killa on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 14:01pm


Look, man, just cos your (U.S.) popular music is complete shit at the moment, and has been for a good while now, it doesn't mean that we (UK) haven't had QUITE ALOT of decent Pop music.

"Why don't you give it a shot instead of dismissing my statement as "horse manure"."

Nah. Thanks, but I'm quite happy at horse manure, as disgusting as that sounds.

"in the last three and a half decades, no one has even approached the cultural relevancy and fame attained by the Beatles and Rolling Stones"

Woah! That's a REAL stinker, right there! Three and a half DECADES?! I would have been reluctant to meet you at three and a half YEARS!!! If we're discussing "cultural relevancy and fame", I'd say that

Oasis (Definitely Maybe/Morning Glory),
R.E.M. (Automatic For The People),
The Cure (see quite alot of their albums, in particular Disintegration),
The Verve (see Urban Hymns, but I'll give they were very short lived),
Radiohead (OK Computer),
Bowie (do I need to give examples?),
New Order (Blue Monday, P,C&L)

and some others that I've either forgotten to write, or just detest, have done more than "approach" the Beatles and the Stones.

Posted by liam on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 14:08pm


"Again, A-Killa is right! No one will ever attain the fame, influence and notoriety of those bands. That is not necessarily a bad thing - it just is."

You are one of the sole reasons that I am actually reluctant to age - the fact that some people have difficulty seeing past their own nose, never mind this decade.

Posted by liam on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 14:16pm


"Linkin Park is currently a popular band but certainly not world-famous,"

And I completely disagree!

"and they haven't really innovated anything musically."

Different point entirely. We are not arguing about who "innovated" and/or who "influenced" what, we are arguing about bands who are "big". The "biggest", even. And Linkin PArk are certainly a "big" band.

Posted by liam on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 14:23pm


I do believe we have another cultural disconnect here. I can count the number of songs I've ever heard by New Order on one hand. They don't get any radio play in the US, at least not on any station I know. The Verve are considered a one-hit wonder in the US. Oasis is a punchline, they're that band 10 years ago that thought they were the Beatles. The Cure is that band that those goth freaks are into.

You and I run in very different circles. I've never met anyone that would describe The Cure or New Order as world-famous bands. Even Radiohead, who is pretty huge in the UK as I understand it, is known as a band with a couple US hits about 10 years ago. I love REM, but when AFTP came out, they were a rock band that wasn't nearly as popular as Nirvana or Pearl Jam. The bands that are huge in your world might be also-rans in mine. I bet you don't think too much of Def Leppard or Journey - bands that were extremely popular when I was growing up. Different worlds, man.

Now we need a Swedish person to come in here and tell us we're ignorant of A-ha.

Posted by A-Killa on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 14:25pm


You are, whether wantingly or not, driving this conversation in another direction.

"I can count the number of songs I've ever heard by New Order on one hand."

Then you are now a complete fuck-head, in my mind.

"They don't get any radio play in the US, at least not on any station I know"

Incase you didn't realise, America is Not the Worlds (wahay i quoted Morrissey). Look at Crowded House; massive sales, yet little US impact.

"The Verve are considered a one-hit wonder in the US."

Like I said. Still counts as "a band with impact"

"Oasis is a punchline, they're that band 10 years ago that thought they were the Beatles."

That's your opinion, yet 50 million sales say they have "impact". And ten years ago still fits within you "three and a half decade" mark.

"The bands that are huge in your world might be also-rans in mine."

The problem being that your "world" only constitutes the USA, which is not "the world", so to speak. Also, I would hope that you don't automatically label bands as "shit" just because you don't hear them pumped across FM radio.

Posted by liam on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 14:36pm


"The Cure is that band that those goth freaks are into."

There's obviously enough "goth freaks" to get Love Song to #2 in the mainstream US charts. Idiot.

Posted by liam on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 14:42pm


A-Killa, I've come to realise that, by saying what you just said about most of the artists you talked about, you must have a piss-poor record collection/musical knowledge.

Posted by liam on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 14:50pm


"I am actually reluctant to age"

Did not know you had a choice.....your debating is so bizarre.....I have yet to see you actually converse like a human being....yeah, Radiohead has the level of signficance as the Beatles or Stones do - that is laughable....

And, yes we ARE talking about innovation and influence. And, I am sure a lot more bands cite the Beatles or Stones as influential than Linkin Park....but, the point again since we are way off the topic (Liam is good at doing that) is that it is unfair to deny a band or artist hall induction because they do not measure up the to the "big boys", whoever that might be (For Liam, I guess that would be Oasis).

Posted by Anon on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 14:55pm


Look, you stupid fuck head, what the fuck were we fucking arguing about in the fucking first place? Who were the "biggest" bands, not the most influential or innovative, and trend says that the two don't often go hand in hand, especially not innovation.

"yeah, Radiohead has the level of signficance as the Beatles or Stones do"

Yeah, they do. And Radiohead only had two albums of straight forward alternative before they went innovative; the Stones had quite a few plain old blues albums before that happened, and their new stuff is a massive smear on the legacy they once had.

"And, I am sure a lot more bands cite the Beatles or Stones as influential than Linkin Park....but, the point again since we are way off the topic"

And that wasn't the original topic. "Cultural Significance" and "Influence" do not go together by default. Look at Bon Jovi. "Cultural Significance" and "Innovation" do not go hand in hand by default. Look at Bon Jovi

"is that it is unfair to deny a band or artist hall induction because they do not measure up the to the "big boys", "

Now you're putting words into my mouth. I actually don't think that I should have to argue against this, as anyone not off it (like Anon and A-Killa) will spot the bullshit.

"(For Liam, I guess that would be Oasis)."

Again, you imply that if a band has no impact in America, it has none at all. Except, the problem is that Oasis can still sell 50 million records without making a huge dent in America, so you're "logic" is bollocks.

Posted by liam on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 15:08pm


Wow Liam.... take it easy mate - have a pint.
I can completely understand you're impatience with that Anon whack-off, but A-Killa seems to be a reasonable fellow who was actually being polite and had a respectable thought process.
Put down the sword, Highlander - there can be more than one here, friend! :)

Posted by jose cuervo on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 16:06pm


Hey Shawn (Jose Cuervo) nice try....A-killa had a "respectable" thought process, but I did not?? I agreed with A-killa's line of thinking, so what the fuck...plus, what are you like emotionally 12 years old.....pretending to leave, and then disguising yourself -

"Again, you imply that if a band has no impact in America, it has none at all. Except, the problem is that Oasis can still sell 50 million records without making a huge dent in America, so you're "logic" is bollocks."

No, not at all was I implying that...I am the last person that is ethnocentric. I was just using Oasis because I know that is a band you like...nice to be way of the mark there

Again, Liam for the third time..the only point being made here is that it is unfair to say that, for instance, Mellencamp should not be inducted to the hall because he is not Dylan - NO ONE IS. I will give you an analogy...I hear people say, oh that basketball player is not that good, he is no "Michael Jordan" - no one was or will likely ever be like Jordan. So, of course everyone will fall short...or if you like hockey, you can use Gretzky for the analogy. Some how I doubt any bands will ever achieve the WORLD WIDE signficance, influence, and success of the Beatles (i.e. it is estimated that they have sold over a billion albums) or the Stones, or Dylan, or Elvis, etc.... I am not suggesting that those artists SHOULD have that status or deserve it or are the MOST talented.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 17:04pm


So, Liam you will look me in the eye so to speak, and tell me that "New Order" has the same level of world wide cultural influence and success as the Beatles and the Stones? C'mon, you do not really believe that?

I am not suggesting that New Order is no good or have not had success, but to the same degree as the Beatles? If you really believe that, then I will just have to chalk that up to denial and perceptual distortion (a Rogerian term)....

Anon

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 17:12pm


Anon person - your posts stink of old beans and cheese. Your clumsy words have an odor that seeps out of my monitor. Me no like you.

Posted by el guapo on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 19:22pm


Give it a rest el guapo (Shawn). Your dumb analogies gives it away....who else would talk about odors seeping out of their monitor - ass hole. I mean if you say you are leaving, then fucking leave - you know, be a real man and get out, do as you say...

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 19:32pm


Check out MSNBC's 2008 Rock Hall Poll and VOTE!!!

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Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 20:06pm


Tortilla Joe say he don know who dees fellow is you speak of, Anon Assbreath, but he won to tell you dees: if it was dee Shawn guy, he would be finding it so very heelareeous that your panties are so twisted because he make a little visit; you wan everyone you don like to go bye-bye soooooooooooo badly, you throw dee hissy fit, you do. You such a tiny baby. You make me laugha nd laugh, you such a tightly wound Poindexter.

Nobody have to 'splain notheeng to you - who you imagine you are? Go an fuck a burrito

By dee way - you don have no stinkin Ph.D - you a liar liar pants on dee fire.

Posted by tortilla joe on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 20:52pm


"you wan everyone you don like to go bye-bye..."

Actually Shawn, I could care less who stays or leaves....but, it was YOU who "announced" your big exit...all I am saying is if you make such a big announcement, then stick to it -

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 20:58pm


Who innovates and who influences is a bit of a disconnect. The Beatles' significance lies in the fact that people heard them and imitated their sound. The fact that they weren't the ones inventing many of the things their followers copies does diminish the effect. When hundreds of guitarists cite Hendrix as an influence despite him doing roughly NOTHING that hadn't been done by one or all of his own influences makes those influences more important by proxy. What I'm basically saying is that the "biggest" bands are not necessarily the most influential, sometimes they just happen to be standing in the right place when the credit gets passed around.

Posted by William on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 21:20pm


Are all of you familiar with http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com ?

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 21:34pm


Yes, basically right place, right time...This makes me think of a this philosophy concept, although I cannot remember the technical terms. Basically, when looking at history of the great thinkers (i.e. Einstein, Freud, Newton, etc.) do you take a "person" centered or "idea" centered approach. Meaning, would the idea or theory have been proposed irrespective of the person himself or does that person get sole credit. So, for example some people would credit Freud for developing a detailed theory of personality development, including a detailed elaboration of the unconscious. If he did not exist, the "idea" centered folks would say that, then someone else would have developed the idea and the fact that it was Freud is not that important because he was just a vehicle of the culture at that time....anyway, the point is that with music, there was likely just a cultural trend and if it were not the Beatles, it would have been some other band...so, I guess that makes me an "idea" centered person

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 21:58pm


I'm just saying that when Band A influences Band B, and Band B influences Band C, then to a certain degree, Band A has influenced Band C regardless of whether or not Band C is aware of it. Rock fans as a whole tend to be HIGHLY unaware of the actual origins of many musical trends, which is why a lot of big-name bands get way more credit than they deserve. People are content to believe that the Beatles invented the concept album or that Eddie Van Halen invented tapping no matter how untrue those things happen to be.

Posted by William on Thursday, 12.6.07 @ 22:24pm


If acts like The Beatles or Van Halen didn't really
invent their musical sounds the way you say, then why does the Rock Hall Of Fame induct them?

Aren't the people on the Nominating Committee supposed to have a plethora of musical knowledge to apply when considering prospective inductees?

Posted by interviewer on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 00:28am


"If acts like The Beatles or Van Halen didn't really invent their musical sounds the way you say, then why does the Rock Hall Of Fame induct them?"


Not sure who you were talking to - but I don't think I or William was saying that the Beatles or Van Halen did not invent their sound. They did. But, it they were not born, then someone else would probably have came up with a similar idea or concept. But, you have to realize, we are speaking in very abstract terms here. Of course they deserve what they accomplished.

And, yes William I totally agree that most people have no awareness of the origins of music. I once said to a friend that the Eagles were essentially a pop / rock country band, and she said "what does the Eagles have to do with Country music?" Oh, well...

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 05:15am


Let me try to clear this up one more time: When a very well-known and popular band copies an idea from a lesser-known artist, the big band tends to get the credit: The Beatles getting credit for the concept album (many people honestly think Sgt. Pepper was the first) was one example of this. The Beatles actually get a lot of credit for the innovations of others, usually things that Brian Epstein picked up on by being observant of other musical acts.

Now conversely, the musicians behind the scenes who really did the trailblazing (during the earliest stages of rock music, typically black) got roughly no credit in their own time and only later were recognized at all, only now people have been patting their progeny on the back for so long they've collectively forgotten where it all came from. Hendrix is a bit of an odd case, but as I said, he didn't really do anything his own influences hadn't already done before he came along, he just got lucky enough to get a little recognition and then died young near the peak of his popularity. For a lot of little white kids, he was the first black guitarist they really knew about in any detail, and so because they never knew about his influences, they never credited them. It's that simple. People just don't know sometimes.

Posted by William on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 06:34am


"And, yes William I totally agree that most people have no awareness of the origins of music."
-anon

Pssh - yea, not like you, right? If you keep closing your eyes real tight and believe, believe, believe that you are really smart, then it will come true, anon!! Maybe someday you will be a real boy, Pinnochio!
Making and wearing t-shirt that says, "I Am Smart!" doesn't make it so, Pee-Wee.

But dee Anon say before:
"Of prog rock, Rush is clearly the best and clearly the most succesful (at least commerically)...I am a huge Rush fan, so I support them. I could frankly care less if King Crimson or ELP gets in or not -"

More ass talking from the Baron of Bullshit. Har-dee-har.

Posted by Tostada Ted on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 08:29am


Are you sure the 2008 Inductees will be anounced on Thursday, December 13?

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 08:44am


THE BIG NAMES ON THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE:

Ahmet Ertegun - Atlantic Records Founder and Chairman; Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation Founder (Now deceased)
Suzan Evans - Lawyer and Executive Director of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation
Jann Wenner - Rolling Stone Magazine Founder, Editor and Publisher
Jon Landau - Music Critic, Manager, Record Producer, Chairman of the Nominating Committee
Joel Peresman - President and Cheif Executive Officer of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation
Terry Stewart - President and Cheif Executive Officer of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Museum
Seymour Stein - Cofounder and Chairman of Sire Records
Frank Barsalona - Concert Promoter; Founder of Premier Talent
Anthony DeCurtis - Music Critic and Writer for Rolling Stone Magazine; Phd. English Literature
John Sykes - President of MTV and VH1 Networks
Joe Levy - Rolling Stone Magazine Executive Editor
Lenny Kaye - Patti Smith Guitarist
Robbie Robertson - The Band
Paul Shaffer - Late Show with David Letterman, Bandleader

Robbie Robertson and Paul Shaffer are Canadians. They will definitely vote for Leonard Cohen!

Anthony DeCurtis wrote the notes in the booklets for the new remastered editions of Leonard Cohen's album.

There is absolutely no way that the elder members on the Rock Hall voting committee are going to induct Chic, Beastie Boys and Afrika Bambaataa before Leonard Cohen. Which leaves us with:

01. The Ventures
02. The Dave Clark Five
03. Leonard Cohen
04. John Mellencamp
05. Donna Summer
06. Madonna

NOW PICK 5!!

Leonard Cohen was inducted into the Canadian Music Hall of Fame in 1991.

Recently there has been a sudden reinterest in everything Leonard Cohen!! Leonard Cohen was inducted into the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame in 2006. He was nominated for the 2007 U.S. Songwriters Hall of Fame, but lost! All of his albums are being remastered. Rollingstone has always loved Leonard Cohen. His new book of poetry, "Book of Longing" was a number 1 seller. To top it all off, there was a film produced that played at the Sundance Theatres, celebrating LeonardCohen and his music, Leonard Cohen: I'm Your Man.

I really hope 2008 is the year for him! I can't wait any longer!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 09:48am


"Pssh - yea, not like you, right? If you keep closing your eyes real tight and believe, believe, believe that you are really smart, then it will come true, anon!!"

Hey, Shawn I never claimed to be "really smart", but I do pay attention to the origins of music, as in the example with the Eagles. But, I never claimed to be the smartest with music or anything for that matter. I was merely agreeing with William - I guess I am even ridiculed for that now.

"Of prog rock, Rush is clearly the best and clearly the most succesful (at least commerically)...I am a huge Rush fan, so I support them. I could frankly care less if King Crimson or ELP gets in or not -"

What does that demonstrate? It indicates my admission that I am a huge Rush fan and would like to see them get in, so what?. I am NOT much of a fan of ELP or King Crimson, so naturally I am a lot less interested in seeing them get in. But, of course if they did get in, I would be fine with it, esp. since it is progressive rock.

But, here is the kicker Shawn, not caring whether a band gets in or not does not mean that I am not aware of those bands - idiot!

Now, once again, explain why Shawn you said you were leaving, but did not...


Posted by Anon on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 10:13am


K. Time for a new Top Ten. The least deserving of Hall honors.

1. John Mellencamp
2. The possibility of Dave Clark Five, Chic, Donna Summer or The Ventures being enshrined this year
3. Bonnie Raitt
4. ZZ Top
5. Lynyrd Skynyrd
6. Ritchie Valens
7. Percy Sledge
8. Bob Seger
9. The Dells
10. The O' Jays

Casper i agree with you on Mellencamp that he is least deserving, b/c he can't sing for shit, but the other 9 were worth or will be worth putting in the Hall of Fame

Posted by heroinjunkie on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 10:25am


"Hey, Shawn I never claimed to be "really smart", "

Actually, I specifically remember you claiming to be a "very clever guy". Do you just love contradicitng everything you do, shit for brains?

"It indicates my admission that I am a huge Rush fan and would like to see them get in, so what?."

Cut the crap. You regularly try to harass me about Oasis, and you say "so what?" about your obvious infatuation for Neil Peart. You obviously need some other sort of outlet or hobby, dork. LOL

Posted by liam on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 10:40am


King Crimson
ELP
Yes
Doobie Brothers
Steve Miller Band
ELO
Monkees
Jim Croce
Deep Purple
Jethro Tull
Carole King
Hall and Oates
Mountain
Vanilla Fudge
The Hollies
Joe Walsh
Genesis
Ringo Starr
Foreigner
DC5
Chicago
Procol Harum
Zombies
Grand Funk Railroad (the list can be very long)

These people deserve all the recongnition they deserve from this Hall of Fame, and without it
the HOF is nothing, and missing a giant chunk of Rock and Roll history and it's disgraceful.
Jann Wenner, Jon Landau if you read this, take it seriously and induct these people for 2009 or later


Posted by richard on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 10:43am


"It's that simple. People just don't know sometimes."

PRECISELY! Anon doesn't know what we're arguing about, and then when we have a go at him for it, he claims WE have a problem!

Posted by liam on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 10:50am


What, you WERE joking with Ringo?

Posted by liam on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 10:52am


"A statement, by the way, that would greatly offend me if you weren't an anonymous person typing a keyboard on the other side of the world."

Aaaaaaaaw.........cry baby. Really, does your mum wipe your arse aswell? (that'd be "ass" to you)

Only heard a handful of New Order songs? I don't think I could ever let that one off.

Posted by liam on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 11:05am


'Actually, I specifically remember you claiming to be a "very clever guy".'


Yeah, true but that was specifically in regards to catching you trying to NOT be yourself with an alias. But, I would change my mind and not give myself any credit for that....that had more to do with your stupidity Liam...you know when you used the word "rubbish", not realizing it is a dead give away... But, the point is, I never claimed to be "so smart" with regards to knowledge of music or the history of music. I probably know more than the average person, but would be far from being the "smartest."


"It indicates my admission that I am a huge Rush fan and would like to see them get in, so what?."

Liam says: "Cut the crap."

What??, saying that I am a huge Rush fan means I should cut the crap?? Liam, I rarely know what you are talking about because your posts are barely comprehensible...


"It's that simple. People just don't know sometimes."

LIAM SAYS: PRECISELY! Anon doesn't know what we're arguing about, and then when we have a go at him for it, he claims WE have a problem!

I am flattered you thought of me, but his statement was a general one in which he was saying that there are lots of people out there that simply do not know the "roots" of certain musical genres and proper creidt is often not given (i.e. see Zepellin). I do know what we are talking about.. In fact, your obsession with me has resulted in you not being able to comprehend what we are talking about.....

Posted by Anon on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 11:34am


"I do know what we are talking about.. In fact, your obsession with me has resulted in you not being able to comprehend what we are talking about....."

You're lacking of any viable sense of humour gives me the distinct impresion that you are a COMPLETE dumbarse, rather than just a dumbarse. Don't you know what a real joke is, or must I put pairs of "LOL" to act as proverbial crutches?

Posted by liam on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 11:42am


Oh, sorry I missed the humor...my bad. When the humor is mixed in with.....

"PRECISELY! Anon doesn't know what we're arguing about, and then when we have a go at him for it, he claims WE have a problem!"

"You obviously need some other sort of outlet or hobby, dork"

"Do you just love contradicitng everything you do, shit for brains?"

"You are one of the sole reasons that I am actually reluctant to age - the fact that some people have difficulty seeing past their own nose, never mind this decade."

"Cut the crap."

....it gets lost


Posted by Anon on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 12:24pm


Yeah, I'll be sure to stick "LOL, LOL I'm soooooooo fucking funny Rush Rush Rush I'm having a Rush rush!!!!"

Posted by liam on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 12:40pm


"....it gets lost"

No, 9 times out of 10, YOU get lost, as demonstarted by my now-somewhat-famous Oasis joke and you're obvious inability to 'get' it.

Posted by liam on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 13:40pm


mistake: last "you're" should be your

Posted by liam on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 13:43pm


Okay, I have gone out of my way to be polite, but that's enough. Liam, fuck yourself, you pathetic troll. I have a "poor record collection" because we have different tastes? Who the fuck do you think you are, you piece of shit? Do you actually think you're clever, cursing out anyone who has the fucking temerity to like a band that you don't? How foolish of me to attempt to have a polite conversation about music, on a MUSIC DISCUSSION BOARD, with Liam, Arbiter of Good Taste.

Did I mention fuck yourself? Grow the fuck up, you little twat.

And while I'm at it - Shawn and Anonymous, you're way too old to be acting this childish. Flame me if you want, but take a look at yourselves first.

Posted by A-Killa on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 13:57pm


"I have a "poor record collection" because we have different tastes?"

I'll apologize now and get it over with. Yes, in my honest opinion, I do think you have a shit taste in music. Please mind that this is a horrid mix of arrogance and mild autism kicking in. I'm not gonna be all fanboyish and bum you with "yeah yeah lets live in the distant past and listen to nothing but Beatles and Buddy Holly, and pretend that modern music is shite, even though its SOME WHAT OBVIOUS that THE MUSIC MARKET has CHANGED, not gone stale!!!!!!"

No one as big as the Beatles or Stones, you say? Ha. Ha. Ha.

Posted by liam on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 14:15pm


"Do you actually think you're clever, cursing out anyone who has the fucking temerity to like a band that you don't?"

No, but you are the guy who only has never met a person who doesn't like the Chilli Peppers, which I think is ridiculous when you consider how big the US is, and how shite the Peppers are.

Posted by liam on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 14:46pm


"with Liam, Arbiter of Good Taste."

Yep, I like the sound of that. Cheers

Posted by Liam, Arbiter of Good Taste on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 14:54pm


I said that I don't think any band will ever be as big as the Beatles and Stones. I did NOT say that people should just stop listerning to new bands - that really would have been a silly statement. I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth. Of course we should keep listening to new bands, that's the whole point of making music! Now I personally have never heard a band/artist that I like as much as the Beatles, but that doesn't mean that everyone since has been shit.

One such band is the Red Hot Chili Peppers, who are probably in my all-time top 5. And yes, just about everyone (under the age of 40), with whom I've spoken about favorite bands, has claimed to be a RHCP fan. If I met someone who didn't like them, my response would likely be "Oh, that's interesting, why don't you like them?" rather than "You don't know a fucking thing about music, you goddamned imbecile."

"I like the sound of that. Cheers."

You're welcome. Glad I could be of service. L'Chayim and Happy Holidays.

Posted by A-Killa on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 15:26pm


So its OK for you and anon (more so anon on this point) to put words in my mouth?

"If I met someone who didn't like them, my response would likely be "Oh, that's interesting, why don't you like them?" rather than "You don't know a fucking thing about music, you goddamned imbecile.""

Really? I'd suspect the answer would be "Because I paid £15 for Stadium Arcadium, and it turns out that it stinks to high heaven, along with many of their other studio LPs". Well, I have, and I don't have to worry about violence, because studies show that 99.99% of RHCP fans are weeds (IMO).

I'mactually SORRY if I offended you, but I felt I had to other wise we'd just end up repeating another discussion.

Posted by liam on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 15:41pm


I still detest you, Anonymous, so don't see this as an oppurtunity to get equal, as you all so regularly do

Posted by liam on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 15:46pm


Induct Steve Miller for Christ sake, and snub John Mellencamp till the year 5000
Miller's great hits include

Jet Airliner
Fly Like An Eagle
Swingtown
Jungle Love
Livin in the U.S.A.
Space Cowboy
Take the Money and Run
The Joker
Winter Time
and countless unforgettable hits

Mellencamp's are
Hurts So Good (hurts listening to that song)
I Need A Lover (One I can impregnate at 17)
Our Country(a country that calls the Iraq war BS)
Pink Houses (gay community)
Authority Song (cops should banish him)
Jack and Diane (a corny ballad about assholes)
and other forgettable songs that don't make sense


Posted by greg on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 17:44pm


What, you WERE joking with Ringo?

Absolutely not I saw Ringo in concert in 2006 and he was great. A man of his caliber deserves a spot in the Hall of Fame as a solo artist

Posted by richard on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 17:47pm


Hey Liam, I have a novel ideal....try having a conversation instead of slinging petty, childish insults...this all started b/c A-killa made a simple comment / observation that it would be unlikely that any current artists could ever compare to the legends of rock and to make such comparisons is unfair (i.e. like comparing JM to Dylan), then this spirals into some psychotic ranting - give it a rest and try to converse like an adult.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 12.7.07 @ 19:59pm


I may have called some of the people music snobs b/c that was my opinion...and considering I have seen many others say the same....I have third party confirmation....

I do not say that every post I make here is a sound argument - sometimes it is just having stupid arguments, like here, but many other times, I have made good points in my opinion. Remember, THIS ALL STARTED b/c I agreed with A-Killa, and then you attacked me for being a kiss ass or something like that - who even remembers at this point

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 16:18pm


"who even remembers at this point?"

Well, I remembered what we were on about when it was actually relevant - before you went all apeshit and smug about working out that "mexicanconnection" was infact "shawn".

Posted by liam on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 16:27pm


BTW, this site has become played out....I am truly done at this point...its been fun and some interesting conversations with Kit, Shawn, Dez, and William, despite some differences....mb I will check back in a couple months...for real...later

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 16:55pm


Trust me, if U2 has anything to do with it, Leonard Cohen will get inducted just so Bono can give another one of his eloquent speeches for his idols. Plus, Leonard Cohen slept with Janis Joplin at the Chelsea Hotel, wrote a song about it and he also got a gun pointed at his head by Phil Spector. It doesn't get any more Rock & Roll than that. Those things alone will get him inducted. Rock critics, writers and historians eat that shit up! If Leonard doesn't get inducted this year, he will eventually.

There is no way that the senior members of the Rock Hall nominating or voting committee are going to allow Chic, Beastie Boys and Afrika Bambaataa to be inducted before Leonard Cohen! This is what's left:

01. The Ventures
02. The Dave Clark Five
03. Leonard Cohen
04. John Mellencamp
05. Donna Summer
06. Madonna

NOW PICK 5!!

I hope it happens this year! I can't wait any longer!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 20:04pm


"Shawn, that is a comical after the fact rationalization... You change your name to some goofy mexican name, then get nailed," - anonsense

I don't believe the scope of your stupidity - do you fucking really think it was not immediately obvious to everyone who 'Ignacio" and 'tortilla joe' were and that I was intentionally antagonizing your pre-school brain?
I don't know how much more farcical I could have been - I even "spoke" in a ridiculous mexeeecan accent. Holy shit, I am actually embarassed for you.
I admit this site is a bad habit - I did abandon this part of it for about a week - and then I chose to post again to torment you with some juvenile taunting (which, did it occur to you, was fucking hilarious because you actually responded to and fought with a cartoon Mexican guy for a few posts!) (here is where you would insert the LOL's)

But now that YOU have declared your official exodus "out" of here and left...it seems you have spited yourself into a corner. What will you do? If you respond, you are clearly not "being a man", huh? Tell you waht, I'll give you a free pass back with no strongs attached, no shame.

Well, just ONE condition....... you ready?
Stop YOUR hide and seek. As cringe worthy as Liam's attempt to be "Michael" was last week was...(sorry Liam - that was too obvious the moment you started commenting on modern Brit bands and poking Anon, mate!)...
what is truly, truly, truly humiliating, pathetic and so incredibly uber-dorky is how ANON HAS BEEN PRETENDING TO BE "ANONYMOUS" since February.

You see, "Anon" has "left" this blog before - oh yes, he was compelled to leave once following a tussle with Kit. He left on 1-24-07.

YOUR real name is "MICHAEL" (ironic, soooo deliciously ironic).
Michael J. Billingsley to be precise.........
isn't it....."A-non"?

He reemerged on 2-4-07, reborn as "Anonymous", and has been posing as this nameless tool for 10 months running now.

Shall I continue?

Perhaps Michael would prefer to go by your 3rd screen alias -- "A Rush Fan", which you used for a few posts starting on 3-21-07?

Michael first posted on 1-21-07 on the Rush page and was engaged in debate by Kit. Witness the LOL's, the quoting of Wikipedia, the typing in all caps,

The most cringe worthy element of Michael's maniacal stupidity is something I will point out later.

Care to comment, Michael? I know you are watching this. Now who has been nailed? You putz.

Posted by tabasco todd on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 08:48am


Oh Wow. What a fucking coincidence that is. Don't think I knew anything about "Michael", as I actually took "Micheal" from the Franz Ferdinand (although the song is actually called "Michael").

BTW, I'd pretty much known from the off that I couldn't come back with another name, so I decided to make it just SO blaringly obvious that MAYBE no one would go so low as to feel pride in revealing that it was me. Obviously, I was wrong.

Posted by liam on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 09:41am


Oh, it gets worse, Liam.
But let's see what Michael will choose to do now that he has been outed for his gargantuan, humiliating sanctimony. He's trapped.

Posted by taco bill on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 11:51am


"Oh, it gets worse, Liam."

"The most cringe worthy element of Michael's maniacal stupidity is something I will point out later."

Am I missing something?

Posted by liam on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 12:26pm


Yea - if you can stand reading the Rush posts from 1-21-07 through March, you might spy the pathetic and humiliating depths he will sink to when challenged.
He has positively shit himself now in light of
his glee over "catching" you, and then "seeing" me under the Mexican hat and his insipid smugness over posting under alias.

He took it to a cosmic level of pitiful desperation. What-A-Dork.

Posted by patron reposado on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 13:11pm


If you went back in with a Sombrero and comical moustache, I went back in waving the Union Flag and singing God Save The Queen (not the sex pistols song, mind, although it would have had a similiar effect)

Now you mention it, there is a definite pattern there. I kind of feel embarassed that I didn't notice it really.

Posted by liam on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 13:34pm


I wouldn't be surprised if he ("Michael") just kept shutup for a few weeks/months, and then try and come back like nothing ever happened.

Posted by Jeeves The Butler on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 13:48pm


The surf music sound, which The Ventures helped pioneer, still resonates thoughout music today. You can hear The Ventures in some of John Mellencamp's music. Who listens to Madonna's, Donna Summer's and Chic's music? No one will listen to it in 20 years either. That's because it's boring and uninteresting and doesn't relate to anything around today...except perhaps Britney Spears. I guess there will always be producers who pander to teenyboppers and people who listen to mindless pap. Need I say more?

Posted by B. Pollen on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 20:19pm


"I wouldn't be surprised if he ("Michael") just kept shutup for a few weeks/months, and then try and come back like nothing ever happened."

He may have accidentally handed us the pesticide that finally fumigates him and his fucking blather dead, at least for a couple of weeks. I know he is reading all this and it's killing him to have no options open.

If he could manage to clumsily paste together some ratializations for the fuck-pie he made himself, he'd have to violate the silly code-of-manliness he tried to club me with and renig on his exit statement - that's the price for taking yourself so humourlessly.

But even when he slinks back in here eventually, he's going to have to answer for his charade as "Anonymous" and "A Rush Fan" and try to explain that away and how he's not a complete assclown.

Check this out:

On 2-4-07 he suddenly comes back as "Michael Billingsley", but trips on his dick and exposes his ignorance with this: "..obscure inductees such as Patti Smith, Funk Master Flash and The Rondales."

When Kit tells him: "Your inability to get the names of Grandmaster Flash and the Ronettes hurts your credibility, as does your labeling of Grandmaster and Patti Smith as "obscure." ,

Rather than facing up to this blunder, he opts to conjur up a new and make-believe friend now named "Anonymous". Anonymous refers to Michael as "he" ("..that is why he makes that point..") and dismisses Micahel B's immersion into Rush-World to the extent of ignorance over the proper names of Grandmaster Flash and The Ronettes.

Suddenly, Michael has an ally!
The new Anonymous even has the audacity to reference himself!!!! :

(as Anon): ---- "As someone said on a post above:
"Name 3 songs of the "Dells" or the "Moonglows" (QUICK, HURRY DO A GOOGLE SEARCH...LOL, LOL)...""

This is grotesque and surreal to behold!!

And the inanity of his argumants are mindboggling!! - he simply has no clue what he is muttering. He honestlty says:
---- "As for REM... they were nothing more than a bunch of Top 40 "Pop Rockers".. who had a few radio hits and virtually no influence.
REM has nothing on Rush, and to suggest otherwise demonstrates a total lack of understanding of music history. I mean, how many people do you think still pop in old REM - I bet not much. The music was catchy at that time, but lacked substance."

Oh- My -God -------

He also discards Iron Maiden and Judas Priest's significance, dissmisses Bob Dylan and scoffs at The Pretenders because they once were the opening act....... FOR THE WHO!!
He says of King Crimson, "..as for KC, who cares about them?" and "I don't care if King Crimson is inducted, but Rush should be.."; he openly denies any influence by KC on his Rush boys.

He claims, "..Virtually every rock and prog band has been influenced by (Rush).."

On 2-5-07 he again is so desperate for support that he references and defends "Michael":
--- "Oh, and BTW you totally missed the point of the guy regarding the pretenders."

"The guy" being his other self, Michael.

But one imaginary fellow Rush soldier is not enough! Michael clones himself yet again for a few posts from 3-18 to 4-25-07, this time becoming "A Rush Fan".
Holy screaching Geddy Lees, Batman!

As a cherry on this cake, he even impersonates me on a post 6-1-07! Check it out.

Kit, William, Dezmond and SG completely rip him apart, and he twirls off into a schizophrenic fever jog of crazy talk and self duplication.

He can never, never, ever come back here and debate anything with a shred of credibility or dignity. This guy is covered in egg and crap.

Posted by nacho libre on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 22:58pm


Finally; he's wrong in a way that he can understand!

Posted by liam on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 11:23am


William, Dezmond, SG, Casper -- are you out there?
Is this Rock Hall of Fame salvagable, and if so, what are the changes that need to be made to give it credibility?
Are you alright with only 5 inductees per year? Are there too MANY being left behind, or just the wrong picks?

What's wrong with the voting process?
What would have to happen for this Hall to begin recognizing bands like Kraftwerk, The Replacements, Sonic Youth and other non-mainstreamers?

Why the willingness to focus on rap and disco before prog, metal, other punk (Stooges, MC5), and indies?

What's the solution (if you do see a problem?)

Posted by the beaner on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 13:48pm


"Is this Rock Hall of Fame salvagable, and if so, what are the changes that need to be made to give it credibility?"

I actually doubt there is any hope for this HOF. A need to sell tickets; the inability to evict BAD (and I mean BAD as in WRONG) inductions; Jann Wenner....all massive problems that occur with THIS hall.

My idea would be to STILL induct the money makers (big, household names with big impacts on society), but FORCE the voters to induct innovative and influential artists.

One could POSSIBLY make this work by letting the Jann and his money-pinching cronies pick one batch of possibles, then letting internet writers and pitchfork brains to pick another batch. Now, rather than mixing the two batches together, then allowing the voting, we keep the two bathces SEPARATE, so that way the innovaters MUST get some recogniton.

If there's anything left unclear by what I said, then do ask, as this is quite a new idea. Also, feel free to scrutinize and critisize :D

Posted by liam on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 14:29pm


Let me rephrase that as I completely ignored grammar in my haste to get the post up.

Jan Wenner and that lot pick 5 (or whatever) possible inductees. A commitee of online wirters (ie Pitchfork) would then pick 5 (or whatvever) possible inductees. The voters would then choose however many (like 2 or 3 in this case) artists from the Jan and Co. selection, and the same number from the Pitchfork selection. That way, there is more chance that the ones who REALLY deserve it will be inducted more easily, and the hall is still allowed to induct FAMOUS people, whom, I feel, would be avoided should Pitchfork get total control.

Also, the use of two opposing forces would mean that personal grudges against certain artists (KISS, Monkees) are eliminated.

Not that it'll ever happen, but I can still hope.

Posted by liam on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 14:39pm


1) There should only be more than five inductees if the ballot actually is worth my time. It's bad enough that this year's guaranteed induction for any of Mellencamp, Summer, Chic, Dave Clark and The Ventures. The Hall is only going to diminish in respectability every year that they keep putting out ballots with their friends and letting in questionables through the back door. Also, by nature, more inductees and a larger ballot would still mean the popular kids would be in time and time again.

2) What's wrong with the voting process? The voters. Replace them all with writers that understand the importance of those not played on ClearChannel.

3) Hall is biased against indie, prog, metal etc. Practically all of that is the antithesis of Springsteen, the champion of Rolling Stone magazine, and therefore, most of the board of directors.

4) What's the solution? Euthanize the current slab of voters, let Pitchfork put together the nominees, and let myself, Kit, and other knowledgeable web geeks check mark the boxes.

In other words, Hall be heap-big-fucked. If I had to pinpoint a finger, the biggest detriment to the institution is a nominating committee that is gung-ho about inducting their friends, regardless of their true stature in the rock canon. Springsteen loved Chic, worked with Summer. Paul from the Late Show is close friends with DC5 members. That Rolling Stone dude wrote the liners for Leonard Cohen's reissues. Jay Z will argue for rappers so they'll be on EVERY ballot from here on out, not that I have objections to Hip Hop's place in the museum.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 02:26am


OK, I give up. What is Pitchfork?

Posted by A-Killa, aka Clueless on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 07:24am


www.pitchforkmedia.com

They're basically the Rolling Stone of the 21st century. They can singlehandedly break new bands. They were out in front on Broken Social Scene, Arcade Fire, and a lot more.

Posted by c.w. on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 09:17am


Casper, it feels as if you aren't looking before. As someone already mentioned (shawn?), this Hall of Fame notion has always been a populist one, and in order to keep it running you MUST induct the household names (well, some). I'd rather see the stock holders get the pick than Jann, as at least they aren't going to be so biased.

Posted by liam on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 13:29pm


Ha-ha. A-Killa, how dare you not know what Pitchfork is sir - how did you get in here without your hip-snob I.D.?
(I'm kidding, kidding PF fans.)

Posted by beanerific on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 17:20pm


Pithfork is this online music critique publication that came around in the mid 90's, and it focuses primarily on independant label or college radio type artists and as such is considered a pretty sacred barometer of the higher quality and often non-mainstream music scene.

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/

They put together lots of best of lists, music festivals and to get praise and endorsement from PF is somewhat of a prized merit badge. Getting a bad review can cut your album sales, a good review can "make" you (see Arcade Fire).

Posted by beanerific on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 17:21pm


Believers in Pitchfork consider it The Oracle of what is good music (and it mostly is), critics accuse PF of elitism, an overly hipster attitude, and generally being pretentious arbiters of good taste. There are some pretty funny parodys out there about PF.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/pitchfork_gives_music_6_8

Personally, I find it an interesting source for artists I may not be familiar with; the people writing are obviously knowledgable. They do seem to mostly ignore anything that approaches mainstream, but I guess you could say, "So what? The rest of the world has that covered, why should we be redundant?"
I think, as with anything, it's stupid to elevate them to Wizard of Oz status.

Posted by beans on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 17:22pm


Casper -

Of your indie hopes - What accolades have they previously received from the music industry?

If none - Why do you expect to them to receive the highest honor from the music industry?

Posted by David on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 19:56pm


Great critical acclaim is about it for those in the indie circle....it's hard to win a Grammy or American Music Award when they're funded by the major record labels as a way to pat themselves on a back for a year of great sales. I mean, if you're putting out albums that consistently end up in the Village Voice's Top 20, you're probably an important figure in the music world even if what you're doing is underfunded, under-promoted, or just well before its time.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 20:28pm


"If none - Why do you expect to them to receive the highest honor from the music industry?"-David

Do you honestly consider induction to be the "highest honor"? All induction is is acknowledgment of achievement. It is not an achievement in and of itself, and especially not the most important.

Posted by William on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 20:38pm


So, William, what is an honor worth receiving then? Certainly not a Grammy.. Not a multi-platinum album.. Critical acclaim? Having your peers like you?

Posted by c.w. on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 21:01pm


If it is not "that important", then why post here or care at all?

Posted by Ryan on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 21:37pm


"So, William, what is an honor worth receiving then? Certainly not a Grammy.. Not a multi-platinum album.. Critical acclaim? Having your peers like you?"-c.w.

How about furthering the advancement of music as an art form? How about trying new things and influencing followers? Those are actual achievements. Awards are and have always been acknowledgment. Sales are the same. Sometimes people acknowledge the wrong things, however.

"If it is not "that important", then why post here or care at all?"-Ryan

When you quote, make sure you quote correctly. I did not say it's not "that important," as you misquoted me, but that it's not "the most important." Why do I care? Because I want musicians who work hard and contribute to music as a whole to be recognized. If they're not, at the end of the day, it doesn't change the fact that they did something important, but to make a contribution and not be credited for it is a real shame.

Posted by William on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 22:13pm


"Of your indie hopes - What accolades have they previously received from the music industry?" - david

The praise from people with a taste for music deeper and more intriguing than bland and nutrition deficient Grammy fastfood maybe?

The "music industry"? Can you be more specific? Which head of that Hydra are you imagining when you seek "its" validation?

Indies surely have their place in any rock and roll hall of fame worth respecting.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 22:49pm


Liam is on the right track with how to "fix" the RHOF.
It should be a forced segregation of popular kids (your moneymakers and mainstreams), band geeks(your indies), stoners (your prog, metal, punk),foreign exchange students (Brit-pop & such) and loner poet types (Nick Drake, Big Star, Brian Eno, etc).

3 artists nominated per year by the Wenner Weiners and voted on by the indusrty wanks, 3 from Pitchfork and voted on by journalists, 1 by popular vote form uninformed fans (from 5 nominees also assembled by popular vote), and 1 voted on strictly by artists already in the Hall.

The popular vote comes first so that there is no redundancy.
Creates fan interest, shows respect and deference to peers already honored in the Hall, gived indie/ non-mainstream icons their share, and still gives Wenner's crew their pet projects.

Of course this willnever happen beacuse it would take humilty on the part of Wenner & Co.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 23:09pm


The HOF should NEVER take into account popular vote- because then, you will have mega fans of acts who are far from worthy voting incessantly (i.e. Britney Spears fans voting "Yes" on this site, for instance). I mean, in many cases, things like Readers Polls and stuff like that aren't too far off from critical lists/features, but other times, differences can be striking.

Posted by JR on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 23:42pm


Yea - great point JR. Jeezus, I feel very stupid for not seeing that; so obvious. What a gay idea. Please forget that I even said it. Sorry.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 00:06am


"How about furthering the advancement of music as an art form?"

What is that line, "Its only Rock and Roll, but I like it." or that expression "Sex, drug and rock and roll." Gimme a break. Rock is what it is and please do not try to elevate it to something it will never be. Now, please excuse me as I go vomit up my breakfast.

Posted by Ryan on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 05:28am


Minimalism is still art, and stupid is stupid no matter how you try to disguise it.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 05:53am


"Minimalism is still art"

Naturally, more of the same

Posted by Ryan on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 06:00am


Not my fault if you're more in love with the image than actual creativity. Guys like Chuck Berry and Frank Zappa could be both playful and serious as it suited them. Stop trying to dictate what it is and what it ain't unless you can back it up. Otherwise I could care less how many breakfasts you lose.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 06:07am


Me thinks this "Ryan" has a familiar stink about him and his aggressive aversion to someone (in this case, William) who speaks comfortably with the knowledge he owns.
Threatened; transparent.
I smell something... someone.
Do you really want to risk humiliating yourself even further "Ryan"? How low can this get for you?

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 08:17am


very underwhelming..... extremely dissapointing year

many better groups are being snubed by these so called "music professionals"

they'd better step it up.... they're loosing lots of credibility

Posted by ethan W on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 09:50am


I think that Pitchfork may be the only music institution of any worth at the moment: the NME is resorting to creating shock value by portraying Morrissey as a r***** (I'll let you work out/find out what the last word is, as Mozza's lawyer's are on high alert at the moment), and Kerrang is just Kerrang.

If there are any others that you think are worth mentioning, please do.

Posted by liam on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 09:53am


"many better groups are being snubed by these so called "music professionals""

What, like Rush?

Posted by liam on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 10:06am


Ha No problem, shawn. In thought, that's not a bad idea- but, the problem would be that incessant voting by megafans of acts who clearly aren't HOF material (still very perpelxing that the sitemaster would think Spears had a shot- even before this hot mess of a year).

Maybe the nominating committee would be more than 30 or so memebers? I dunno- but, the proces of having 500+ industry people vote on it is OK.

And, let's not act like none of this year's nominees aren't worthy- and I hope that those saying this year's nominees list sucks aren't saying that because ROCK music isn't that represented- it's not about the genre, after all. "Rock and roll" is a broad descriptive for the HOF- shouldn't nitpick on the name.

Madonna is a no-brainer; Donna Summer has long been overlooked (and certainly was impactful; and Beastie Boys have done a lot, as well. Dave Clark Five has been overlooked the longest- HOF worthy? Not sure on that one, but I'd think the band would get in at some point.

Posted by JR on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 10:24am


What? not following

Posted by Ryan on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 11:19am


Oh, PLEASE

Posted by liam on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 11:59am


Is that directed at my post? What's not to follow? Basic points: Allowing popular vote for HOF induction would give the HOF a shitload less credibility than it has at the moment;there are worthy nominees this year; and the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame most definitely should not be lmited to just rock artists, and it hasn't been since it started inducting- the rock era began in 1955, and "rock," for the purposes of the HOF, is a general term that includes various genres.

Posted by JR on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 12:20pm


No, JR, "Ryan" is infact "Michael", a 'former' regular commenter here, whom you may also know as "A Rush Fan", "Michael Billingsey", or my favourite and the most commonly used:

"Anonymous"

Posted by liam on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 12:31pm


'No, JR, "Ryan" is infact "Michael", a 'former' regular commenter here, whom you may also know as "A Rush Fan", "Michael Billingsey",'

Now, I am really lost here, please explain.

Posted by Ryan on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 14:11pm


If you are insinuating that I am a "Rush fan", I assure that I am not. Geddy Lee's voice shreeks and it is quite annoying.

Posted by Ryan on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 14:16pm


"Allowing popular vote for HOF induction would give the HOF a shitload less credibility than it has at the moment" -JR

Isn't it obvious just from reading sites like this that their credibility can't go any lower with the public than it already is??

Why not give the fans 3 votes, the writers 3 votes and the musicians 3 votes-then induct 9 per year minus any overlaps??

Posted by interviewer on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 15:46pm


Congratulations Donna Summer On your Win !

Class of 2008 or not you are and will always be a winner and a Innovator in the Rock & Roll era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLtikOf-tH8

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 16:48pm


I know one the band that really belongs in the Hall of Fame is CHICAGO They have there own track record of 40 yrs of playing in front of many fans.
there concerts are always full of fans from the begining of 1969 to current 2007. I have concert hand bills from the day of Bill Graham booking concerts at fillmore west and avalon ballroom in San Francisco.They are still hot and good.
thankyou Kurt Hall

Posted by KURT HALL on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 18:58pm


Hmmm... I think that once Chicago started doing those sappy 80s love songs, it hurt the band. I mean, the band's been eligible for a decent amount of time now, so it's not looking that great for em.

Posted by JR on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 20:27pm


Mellencamp is in, and now the Ventures are in. Three to go:

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/thebigblog/archives/127658.asp

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 20:41pm


"Ha No problem, shawn. In thought, that's not a bad idea- but, the problem would be that incessant voting by megafans of acts who clearly aren't HOF material"

A popular vote for even one inductee is still likely a very bad idea for the obvious reasons you pointed out, but it did occur to me that
1)artists still cannot be inducted prior to their 25 year mark, thus current knobs like Britney Spears are vaccinaed against for now, and
2) nominating bosses can easily control who is voted on - just nominate only artists they deem accaptable as candidates; scratch the popular nomination part.
But whatever - it's not necessary.

I agree with you and interviewer - the voting/nominating should be divided up into a number for Hall Lords, a number for journalists and one or two for the musicians already inducted.

8 inductees per year, will relieve the glut and create explosively new interest and a transfusion of credibility.

Overall too, it's my opinion that the Hall should back off on the whole velvet rope approach and adopt more of a Museum of Rock Time paradigm.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 22:19pm


"Now, I am really lost here, please explain." -Ryan

If you really are just a newbie named Ryan, you have my apologies for the suspicion - but your tone and voice and attitude when you were haggling with William is a carbon copy of a guy named Michael who has a pathetic history here. You both are resentful of a poster like Willaim who is armed with insight and succinct power.

But if this is you Michael - you'll get away with nothing - you fucked yourself.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 22:31pm


Ventures, yes, very influential,

Dave Clark Five, another solid band,

Madonna, no rush, she's got plenty of time to be inducted. No questioning her Bowie-esque rock edge persona and hyper-sex sensibility.

No to Chic had 3 hits, basically bubble gum nonsense disco with good beat. It is a mystery why they are repeatedly nominated.

Donna Summer - ABSOLUTELY. If you don't know her catalog, it is easy to call her disco, but she wasn't really disco, something different. A wonderful, energetic mix of techno, ambient, and ROCK. She recorded atleast 4 straight forward rock albums, and much of her dance career was based on rock and roll.

Leonard Cohen - I love one readers comment: if you have to google them, no. While I recall some of his 80s work, his name just wasn't on my list.

Mellancamp, of course! No question about it.

NExt year, maybe Front 242/Ministry, Smiths, Kiss, Linda Rondstadt,

Posted by Howell on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 22:50pm


"I love one readers comment: if you have to google them, no."-Howell

So what percentage of the population would have to Google The Ventures, you think? I'd say a sizable amount.

Why is it that people are so fond of arbitrary criteria that conveniently exclude only the things they dislike?

Posted by William on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 00:22am


What are you like the hall monitor here. People will have differences of opinion here and no one's opinion is more important than anyone else's.

Posted by Ryan on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 05:08am


This year's inductees are somewhat deserving, but I think it would have been a much more dynamic class with Chic and Donna Summer in place of Leonard Cohen and the Dave Clark Five. Rock & Roll is an umbrella term for a lot of different styles of popular music, and disco, while it may not be "rock", is definitely a direct descendant of "roll" — the rhythm and blues of the 50s. Donna and Chic were both far more popular than Cohen, and they were certainly more influential than the Dave Clark Five. I hope that they will both have another shot next year!

Posted by Chris on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 08:31am


"What are you like the hall monitor here. People will have differences of opinion here and no one's opinion is more important than anyone else's." -Ryan

Has nothing to do with anyone's Opinion - that's wandering off onto an irrelevant tangent, bud.
Opinion is welcome, welcome.
Try to stay focused. Michael's alienation is (currently..) all about the fucking grand audacity of his smugness when he had fucked himself right in front of our faces.

Your voice is eerily similar to Michael's - unfortunately you seem to share his state of mind, if your exchange with William is representative of your personality. Just change it if you don't want further suspicion.
Sorry........ "Ryan".

Posted by shawn on Thursday, 12.13.07 @ 09:05am



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