The 2011 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

The 2011 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were announced at 10:30 am ET on Tuesday, September 28th.

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Here are your official 2011 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees (all quotes from the official press release):

  • Alice Cooper | "Before there was Ozzy Osbourne, Marilyn Manson or KISS, there was Alice Cooper, the original self-proclaimed "rock villain." Born Vincent Furnier, Cooper and his mighty band of the same name – lead guitarist Glen Buxton, rhythm guitarist Michael Bruce, bass player Dennis Dunaway and drummer Neal Smith – pioneered the dark spectacle of heavy metal with their huge blues-rock sound and extravagant stage show. Drawing from horror movies and vaudeville, Cooper brought a new level of visual theatrics to arenas with guillotines, electric chairs, boa constrictors and fake blood; their 1973 tour broke box-office records previously held by the Rolling Stones, and raised the bar for major rock tours. What made it stick were some of the catchiest, most reckless hard-rock songs of all time: "Eighteen," "School's Out," "No More Mr. Nice Guy." Along with the New York Dolls and David Bowie, Alice Cooper was a starting point for the glam rock of the Seventies; it's impossible to imagine the hair metal of the Eighties without them; you can hear and see the band's influence in bands from the Sex Pistols to Guns n’ Roses. The original lineup split in the mid-Seventies, and singer Cooper would continue on with an evolving lineup; in the meantime, the pure shock value of America's first shock rockers has faded but their legacy is safe."
    Current Induction Chances: 41%

  • Beastie Boys | "At different times over the past three decades, the Beastie Boys have been shaven-head punks, hip-hop bad boys, Seventies-funk students, political activists and style icons. Most important: they have had one of the richest, most important careers in hip-hop and rock, introducing rap to a huge new audience and then pushing the frontiers of what a hip-hop group could do. Their 1986 debut album Licensed To Ill – a supremely bratty, hard-punching, pitch-perfect mix of rap and hard rock – was hip-hop's first number one album, and remains near the top of the Billboard catalog charts to this day. The single "(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (to Party)," became a teenage party anthem of the 1980s; a generation of hip-hop fans memorized hits like "Brass Monkey" and "Paul Revere," songs which are now part of the rap canon. Their follow-up, 1989’s Paul’s Boutique, was one of the high points of hip-hop's golden age of sampling, piling hilarious, streetwise rhymes over everything from Loggins and Messina to the Ramones. In the 1990s, they came full circle musically, picking up their instruments and bringing back hardcore punk and funk into their music repertoire. They recorded three classic albums, Check Your Head, Ill Communication and Hello Nasty, and smash hits like "Sabotage" and "Intergalactic." Along the way, they've kept experimenting with what a hip-hop band can be: becoming the most politically active group of their generation with the Tibetan Freedom Concerts; recording classic videos; putting their fans behind the camera with their film Awesome I F**king Shot That, and recording two new albums in the last decade, 2004's To the Five Boroughs and 2007's The Mix-Up."
    Current Induction Chances: 82%

  • Bon Jovi | "Hard-working musicians and prolific songwriters from blue-collar backgrounds in New Jersey, Jon Bon Jovi, Richie Sambora, David Bryan, Tico Torres and Alec John Such created a dedicated global following that spans every continent. Along the way, they have carved out a place on the charts with their most familiar songs – "You Give Love a Bad Name," "Livin’ on a Prayer," "Bad Medicine" and "I’ll Be There for You" in the 80s; "Blaze of Glory," "Bed of Roses" and "Always" in the ’90s; "It’s My Life," "Have A Nice Day," the Grammy-winning "Who Says You Can’t Go Home" and "We Weren’t Born to Follow" in the 2000s. Beyond the numbers – over 120 million albums sold (more than 34 platinum titles cumulative in the U.S. alone), more than 2,600 concerts performed in over 50 countries for more than 34 million fans, including The Lost Highway World Tour, ranked as 2008’s #1 top-selling tour, and 2010’s 30-country, 135-show The Circle World Tour – there is also Bon Jovi’s enormous influence on innumerable young bands seeking to follow in their footsteps. Bon Jovi steadfastly follows their own instincts, ignoring obvious trends and providing a model for other bands and musicians just starting out on their careers."
    Current Induction Chances: 22%

  • Chic | "Chic’s founding partnership consisted of songwriter-producers Nile Rodgers (guitar) and Bernard Edwards (bass, whose untimely death occurred in 1996), abetted by future Power Station drummer Tony Thompson (who passed away in 2003). They pushed disco forward in 1977 with a combination of groove, soul and distinctly New York City studio smarts. Rodgers’ chopping rhythm guitar beside Edwards’ deft bass lines were the perfect counterpart to melodic arrangements with their two female vocalists Alfa Anderson and Norma Jean Wright (replaced by Luci Martin). Out-of-the-box chart smashes "Dance, Dance, Dance (Yowsah, Yowsah, Yowsah)," the #1 "Le Freak" and #1 "Good Times" (ranked on Rolling Stone’s 500 Greatest Singles of All Time) made Chic the preeminent disco band – emphasis on the word ‘band’ – of the late ’70s. Their music also extended disco’s tenure at a critical moment, as hip-hop (and later in the ’80s, New Jack Swing) began to take the stage. Over the years, artists such as Sugar Hill Gang and Diddy have turned to Chic for beats and samples: "Good Times" has been checked everywhere from "Rapper’s Delight" and Blondie’s "Rapture," to Queen’s "Another One Bites the Dust." Rodgers and Edwards followed their five years in Chic with careers as top-flight producers and writers working for an A-list of megastars. Edwards worked with Rod Stewart, Kenny Loggins and Robert Palmer among others, while Rodgers produced David Bowie, Madonna, Mick Jagger and countless more. Under Rodgers’ leadership, Chic has continued to tour, releasing live performances of its shows in Japan and Amsterdam."
    Current Induction Chances: 40%

  • Neil Diamond | "Neil Diamond’s half-century as a prolific singer, songwriter, recording artist (nearly four decades on Columbia Records) is one of the eternal verities of American popular music. He attended to pre-med studies at NYU, but was interrupted in 1962 by an offer to write songs for $50 a week at 1619 Broadway, the Brill Building. Like many writers there, including fellow Brooklynites Neil Sedaka and Carole King, Diamond was writing as much for himself as for others. Thus, "I’m a Believer" was grabbed up for the Monkees, who turned it into the top song of 1966 (followed three months later by their take on Neil’s "A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You"). No matter, because Bert Berns had already signed Neil to his new Bang Records indie label. He rocked the Hot 100 in 1966 with "Solitary Man" and "Cherry, Cherry," followed in ’67 by "Girl, You’ll Be a Woman Soon," "Thank the Lord for the Night Time" and "Kentucky Woman" (a Top 40 hit for Deep Purple in ’68). Produced by Brill-mates Jeff Barry and Ellie Greenwich, these acoustic-guitar-driven rock and roll songs were the first notches in Neil’s singles discography. There are more than 70 U.S. chart entries to date including "Sweet Caroline," "Holly Holy" and "Cracklin’ Rosie" (along with some 48 charted albums). He has stayed true to his roots as a rocker onstage, including a performance at the Band’s Last Waltz concert. Diamond continues to be a world-class, top grossing concert draw, slinging his custom Gibson flat-top with a fury that remains undiminished at age 69."
    Current Induction Chances: 9%

  • Donovan | "The first British folk troubadour who truly captured the imaginations of early Beatles-era fans on both sides of the Atlantic, Donovan Leitch made the transition from a scruffy blue-jeaned busker into a brocaded hippie traveler on Trans Love Airways. As a folkie on the road with Gypsy Dave, Donovan became a Dylanesque visual presence on the BBC’s Ready Steady Go! starting in 1964 and released several classics: "Catch the Wind," "Colours," Buffy Ste.-Marie’s "Universal Soldier," "To Try for the Sun" and more. That changed in 1966, as he came under the production arm of UK hit-maker Mickie Most, and was signed by Clive Davis to Epic Records in the U.S. Donovan ignited the psychedelic revolution virtually single-handedly when the iconic single "Sunshine Superman" was released that summer of ’66 (and the LP of the same name with "Season of the Witch"). His heady fusion of folk, blues and jazz expanded to include Indian music and the TM (transcendental meditation) movement. Donovan was at the center of the Beatles’ fabled pilgrimage to the Maharishi’s ashram in early ’68 (where, it is said, he taught guitar finger-picking techniques to John and Paul). Donovan’s final Top 40 hit with Most was "Goo Goo Barabajagal (Love Is Hot)" in the summer ’69, backed by the Jeff Beck Group. Donovan continued to record and tour sporadically during the 70s and 80s. During the 1990s, Rick Rubin (after working with Johnny Cash) produced Donovan’s Sutras. In the six years since Beat Café (2004), we’re learning just how much we miss Donovan."
    Current Induction Chances: 11%

  • Dr. John | "New Orleans own Dr. John has been recording for more than fifty years. He is steeped in the rhythms and traditions of the city, and has spent his career championing its music. As he told New Orleans R&B historian Jeff Hannusch, "[New Orleans music] is part of whatever I’m about. The importance of it is beyond anything I do." Born Mac Rebennack, he learned piano and guitar as a child. Schooled by Crescent City legends like Papoose Nelson, James Booker and Cosimo Matassa, Rebennack began recording in 1957; between 1956-1963, more than 50 of his songs were recorded in New Orleans. In 1965, Rebennack moved to Los Angeles and worked as a session player. Working with Harold Batiste, he created the Dr. John the Night Tripper character, a tribute to New Orleans musical and spiritual traditions that meshed perfectly with psychedelia. His first album Gris-Gris, was a masterpiece, evoking voodoo legends over a funky mix. In the first half of the 1970s, he released a series of albums that mixed New Orleans classics with his own original material, all driven by his remarkable piano playing and great bands, most notably his collaboration with Allen Toussaint and the Meters on "Right Place, Wrong Time," a smash funk hit. He has produced albums for Professor Longhair and Van Morrison, collaborated with Doc Pomus on a group of songs recorded by B.B. King on There Must Be a Better World Somewhere (1981), and released several acclaimed solo piano records. In recent years he has become a spokesman for the city and its musical history, all while continuing to record creative, challenging music."
    Current Induction Chances: 16%

  • J. Geils Band | "Four decades after releasing one of rock’s supremely hard-driving debut LPs, and nearly three decades after the splintering of the group in the early ’80s, the J. Geils Band reunited in the summer 2010, for a historic homecoming date at Boston’s Fenway Park with fellow bad boys Aerosmith. Rolling Stone called it "the ultimate Boston experience" as prayers for a full-blown Geils reunion went skyward. Because every time the J. Geils Band takes the stage, there is never any doubt: they are there to blow your face out. The "College Of Musical Knowledge" is in session, and the faculty shows how the Back Bay beat gets done – led by Jerome Geils’ blues-boy guitar and Magic Dick’s harp (think: Little Walter meets Roy Eldridge), the bedrock rhythm of bassman Danny Klein and drummer Stephen Jo Bladd, Atlantic City keyboardist Seth Justman, and gravity-free, acrobatic Peter Wolf up front. Former midnight hour WBCN disc jockey Wolf, -the jive talkin’ illegitimate son of Jocko and Symphony Sid – simply has no equal when it comes to commanding a stage, and treating a mic stand like a circus trapeze. Packed fair and square with equal parts Chicago blues, big-city rock, and gutbucket funk, they deftly mix R&B covers with joyous originals by Wolf-Justman and the enigmatic Juke Joint Jimmy (their Nanker Phelge). To eyewitnesses and true believers, it never gets any hotter than the J. Geils Band layin’ their good thing down."
    Current Induction Chances: 11%

  • LL Cool J | "LL Cool J always had his sights set on rock & roll. Born James Todd Smith in Queens, New York, LL was only 17 in 1985 when he recorded "Rock the Bells," which included the following couplet: "It ain’t the glory days with Bruce Springsteen/I’m not a virgin so I know I’ll make Madonna scream." A year earlier, LL had made his debut on Def Jam, which was also the debut of the label itself. His first two singles – "I Need a Beat" followed by "I Want You" – sketched out the two main gears of his career: testosterone-maddened battle raps and tender, sexy love songs. The former included "I Can’t Live Without My Radio" (1985), "Jack the Ripper" (1987) and "Mama Said Knock You Out" (1991). The stylish aggression built into these songs influenced no less a figure than Michael Jackson, who cut "Bad" after meeting LL in person – and after LL himself cut "I’m Bad." The love songs may have been even more influential and popular. When "I Need Love" went to Number One on Billboard’s Hot R&B Singles chart in 1987, it was the first rap recording ever to reach that summit. Like Stevie Wonder at Motown, LL Cool J has spent the whole of his 26-year career at Def Jam. His success in music has served as a launching pad to concurrent careers in the movies, on television, in fashion, and in fitness. "
    Current Induction Chances: 45%

  • Darlene Love | "Darlene Love was a high school sophomore in California with a powerful church choir voice when she joined the popular girl group the Blossoms as their first lead singer in 1958. They shot to immortality in 1962, when producer Phil Spector used them as surrogates on his new Crystals’ singles. With "He’s a Rebel" and "He’s Sure The Boy I Love," Darlene Love turned into a familiar (though uncredited) voice on radio and records; she also became a member of Spector’s Bob B. Soxx and the Blue Jeans. Darlene’s own 1963 hits made her a household name, "(Today I Met )The Boy I'm Gonna Marry," "Wait Till My Bobby Gets Home," "A Fine Fine Boy," "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)" – a quartet of tailor-made Ellie Greenwich-Jeff Barry-Spector compositions. By 1964, the Blossoms, who were regulars on TV’s Shindig, had graduated to first-call A-list session singers (check them on Elvis Presley’s ’68 Comeback Special). Darlene left in 1973 to start a family, but the early-80’s roots-rock revival drew her back. She starred in the Broadway ‘jukebox’ musical Leader Of The Pack (based on the Ellie Greenwich songbook). U2 later invited her to sing on their 1987 remake of "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)." Ever since, Darlene’s annual wall-of-sound performance of the song (with Paul Shaffer and the CBS Orchestra) on David Letterman’s final pre-Christmas-hiatus show – became a high point of the season."
    Current Induction Chances: 6%

  • Laura Nyro | "Bronx-born singer, songwriter and pianist Laura Nyro (1947-1997) was still a teenager in 1966 when she recorded her debut album, and Peter, Paul and Mary cut "And When I Die." At age 19, Laura played the 1967 Monterey Pop Festival, which brought her to the attention of manager David Geffen. He led her to Columbia, Laura’s record label for the next 25 years, starting with 1968’s iconic Eli and the Thirteenth Confession. Other artists scored hit after hit with her songs, led by the Fifth Dimension’s "Stoned Soul Picnic" and "Sweet Blindness" in 1968 (then "Wedding Bell Blues" in ’69 and "Blowin' Away" in ’70). Over two consecutive weeks in October 1969, Blood, Sweat and Tears entered the Hot 100 with "And When I Die," and Three Dog Night followed with "Eli's Coming." In 1970-71, Barbra Streisand charted three consecutive times with Laura Nyro songs, "Stoney End," "Time and Love" and "Flim Flam Man." Laura’s 1971 LP with Labelle, Gonna Take a Miracle, an entire program of R&B covers, produced in Philadelphia by Gamble and Huff, remains a classic four decades later. Elton John acclaimed her influence to Elvis Costello: "The soul, the passion, the out-and-out audacity of her rhythmic and melody changes was like nothing I’d ever heard before." Laura’s tragic death of ovarian cancer at age 49 robbed popular music of one of its purest lights."
    Current Induction Chances: 31%

  • Donna Summer | "Raised on gospel music in the church, Boston’s LaDonna Andrea Gaines was perform ing in the European tour of Hair in the early 70s, when she decided to settle in Germany. In 1975, she began a long-term association with Munich song writers-producers Giorgio Moroder and Pete Bellotte. They heard her lyric "love to love you baby" and, at the request of Casablanca Records president Neil Bogart, turned it into a 17-minute opus of orgasmic delight (Donna said she was evoking Marilyn Monroe). The song was Summer’s U.S. chart debut and first of 19 #1 Dance hits between ’75 and 2008 (second only to Madonna). Summer made chart history in 1978-80, as the only artist who ever had three consecutive double-LPs hit #1: Live and More, Bad Girls and On the Radio. She was also the first female artist with four #1 singles in a 13-month period: "MacArthur Park," "Hot Stuff," "Bad Girls" and "No More Tears" (with Barbra Streisand). Her first U.S.-recorded LP, 1982’s Donna Summer, produced by Quincy Jones, featured Bruce Spring steen, Roy Bittan and many American rockers. "She Works Hard for the Money" kept Donna on top in 1983, followed by the Top 10 "This Time I Know It’s For Real" in ’89. Endless covers and sampling of her music by producers and DJs have kept Summer’s pioneering body of work on the front-line."
    Current Induction Chances: 55%

  • Joe Tex | "Joseph Arrington Jr. (1933-1982) was born in East Texas and laid to rest there 49 years later. He had a glorious career that began with him singing gospel in church, and led to him winning a talent contest at the Apollo Theatre in Harlem in 1954. Joe Tex’s recording career began with Syd Nathan at King Records in 1955, followed by sides at Ace, Anna, Parrot and Checker, as many as 30 singles that never saw the charts. As a songwriter, however, he hit it when James Brown covered his "Baby You’re Right" in 1961 and took it to #2. That brought Joe to publisher Buddy Killen’s Nashville-based R&B label Dial Records, an Atlantic imprint. Jerry Wexler brought Joe to Rick Hall’s FAME Studios in Muscle Shoals, Alabama in 1964, and "Hold What You’ve Got" became the first Southern soul 45 out of Fame to hit #1 R&B and Top 10 pop. At age 31, Joe became a hit machine, with more than two dozen consecutive R&B/pop crossovers on Dial through the early ’70s. Many of them became grist for young rockers (the Animals’ cover of "One Monkey Don’t Stop No Show"). Joe’s music was also a building block of Jamaican toasters and early hip-hop. He entered the Muslim ministry in 1972, the same year he scored his final #1 with the rude "I Gotcha" – though he encored five years later with "Ain’t Gonna Bump No More (With No Big Fat Woman)." When Joe Tex died in 1982, his pallbearers were fellow Soul Clan brothers Wilson Pickett, Don Covay and Ben E. King, along with Killen and Percy Mayfield."
    Current Induction Chances: 5%

  • Tom Waits | "Only one songwriter could be covered by the Ramones ("I Don’t Want to Grow Up") and the Eagles ("Old 55"). Beginning with his first album in 1973, Tom Waits has carved out a unique place in rock & roll. His music mixes Chicago blues, parlor ballads, beat poetry, pulp fiction parlance and – when you least expected it – heart-breaking tenderness. His enormously influential live shows combine elements of German cabaret, vaudeville and roadhouse rock. After establishing a successful early style as a wry singer-songwriter, Waits went through a dramatic expansion with Swordfishtrombones (1983). Disregarding musical borders and commercial considerations, he set off in wild pursuit of the Muse. Waits has composed film scores, musical theatre and an operetta. He has co-written with Keith Richards and William Burroughs. His songs have been covered by Screamin’ Jay Hawkins, Solomon Burke, Marianne Faithful, the Neville Brothers, Robert Plant and Alison Krauss and the Blind Boys of Alabama. He has recorded with the Rolling Stones, Bonnie Raitt, the Replacements and Roy Orbison. A tribute to his great influence is how many of his songs have been recorded by artists who usually write their own – including Bruce Springsteen ("Jersey Girl"), Tim Buckley ("Martha"), Johnny Cash ("Down By the Train"), Bob Seger ("16 Shells from a Thirty-Ought Six"), T-Bone Burnett ("Time"), Tori Amos ("Time"), Steve Earle ("Way Down In The Hole"), Elvis Costello ("Innocent When You Dream") and Rod Stewart ("Downtown Train")."
    Current Induction Chances: 62%

  • Chuck Willis | "In his signature turban, Chuck Willis (1928-1958), an earthy singer and songwriter from Atlanta, has influenced every generation from Elvis Presley to Kanye West. Willis earned his sobriquet "The King of the Stroll" in 1957, for the popular teen-age line-dance that was directly inspired by his #1 R&B adaptation of Ma Rainey’s "C.C. Rider," a folk-blues standard. (It was white Toronto doo-wop group the Diamonds who actually scored the pop hit later on in ’57, "The Stroll.") A natural born shouter and smooth ballad singer, Willis first made the R&B charts with a two-year string of Top 10 hits on Columbia’s OKeh Records ‘race music’ label, starting in 1952. The last of these, "I Feel So Bad" was an Elvis favorite cut by him in 1961. When Willis hooked up with Atlantic Records and in-house arranger-conductor Jesse Stone, it was the perfect match. The result was a litany of R&B/pop crossover hits, rock and roll at its finest from 1956 to ’58. "It’s Too Late" (covered by everyone from Buddy Holly and Otis Redding, to Derek and the Dominos) and "Juanita" both featured the backing vocals of the Cookies (pre-Raelettes). After "C.C. Rider" hit #1, Willis enjoyed great success with another folk-blues, "Betty And Dupree." His next two hits are in the rock pantheon: "What Am I Living For" (immortalized by Ray Charles, the Animals and many more) and "Hang Up My Rock and Roll Shoes" (ditto by Jerry Lee Lewis, the Band and countless others). If not for his death too soon in 1958 at age 30 (from peritonitis), who knows how far Chuck Willis’ star would have risen."
    Current Induction Chances: 7%

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Posted by Future Rock Legends on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 08:44am


Quick note about LL Cool J- his page doesn't reflect his 2009 nomination.

Exciting about 15 nominees.

Posted by JR on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 08:54am


Also- for previous years an act was nominated, should they not match up to the year the nominations were announced/ For instance, for eligibility years, it says the year, and then the induction ceremony year in parentheses. But, if an act was nominated in 2009 for the 2010 ceremony, it lists 2010 as the nomination year. Hope that makes sense. hehe

Posted by JR on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 08:56am


one word for you is RUSH

Posted by todd on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 08:56am


I guessed three artists correctly.

The Beastie Boys, Joe Tex, and Donna Summer

I predicted that Deep Purple would get the hard rock nod, but brought up the possbility of Alice Cooper or KISS getting it instead, and it turned out that Alice got the nod.

I expected RHCP and Stevie Ray Vaughan to get the nods for more newer mainstream rock nominees, and instead in a major shocker, Bon Jovi got the nod instead.

I was only expecting 1 rap artist, and went with the Beastie Boys. I was correct, but was wrong in guessing only 1 rap artist. I'm shocked they went with two with LL Cool J as well. That's really going to make it difficult for both to get in now.

The same deal with disco, I originally was going to put Chic on my list of predictions, but changed my mind and went with Donna Summer. Turns out I was right either way as both made it.


I predicted that The Moody Blues would get the nod for 60's classic rock and instead they went with Donovan which also fills the singer-songwriter nod. In addition to that we also get Neil Diamond and Dr. John, two more major 60's/70's singer songwriters.


Then we get the J. Geils Band and Tom Waits as well.

The Hall went heavy with singer-songwriters this year as Neil Diamond, Laura Nyro, Donovan, Dr. John, and Tom Waits all fit the bill, Donovan and Neil being more mainstream, Laura Nyro and Tom Waits being more underground or "alternative" and Dr. John being somewhere in between.


And for the two oldies acts, I predicted Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio and The Dominoes. Instead we got Darlene Love and Chuck Willis, who I was actually looking up a few hours ago, and thought to myself, "you know he could make it." Considering he was inducted the first 5 years of the HOF and didn't make it.

And I was correct in my prediction of Joe Tex.


Overall, while I like the class, as I look at it closely, for the most part the ballot is filled with artists that I respect, but that I'm not majorly excited about once I look at them closely. At first I was stunned and excited to see so many first time nominees. But in truth, there are only three acts on the ballot that I am big fans of and that I'm heavily behind in induction. Those artists being Alice Cooper, Neil Diamond, and the Beastie Boys. LL Cool J, Bon Jovi and Donovan are probably the next artists I like the most, and while I think it's cool they got nominated, I can't help but be a little disappointed and underwhelmed as again I can think of plenty of artists I like more and that I feel are more deserving. Donna Summer is someone who is next in line below LL Cool J, Bon Jovi and Donovan as far as artists I enjoy, but I do feel she is more deserving of induction. So after those 7, the rest of the artists are either ones I haven't heard much of, and thus aren't really big fans of, or just flat out bands/artists I'm not big fans of.

This group includes, Chic, Dr. John, the J. Geils Band, Darlene Love, Laura Nyro, Joe Tex, Tom Waits, and Chuck Willis.

I respect all of them, and I think they are all deserving of induction. Just a bit underwhelmed.


But overall, another good, diverse selection of artists to choose from, the way it should always be. Although I'm getting annoyed at the Hall changing their amount of nominations every year. It's making it more and more difficult to make accurate predictions!

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 08:58am


Pretty good set of nominees! 15 in all. Here's hoping we get more inductees this year.

Alice Cooper!!

Tom Waits!

Neil Diamond!

Chuck Willis is BACK!!!


my early predictions:
Alice Cooper
The Beastie Boys
Donna Summer
Chuck Willis
Neil Diamond/Donovan/Tom Waits (one of them)

Like the Rock Hall Revisted/Projected project though, I want at least 7 inductees especially with this increase in nominees.

Posted by Matt Love on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 09:01am


I think I only got Donna Summer right from my predictions. That's pretty bad predicting on my part but the nominations are always unpredictable.

I went with KISS instead of Alice Cooper for Hard Rock

I went with RHCP instead of LL Cool J for the headliner snubbed last year.

I went with Gram Parsons over Joe Tex as the perennial nominee.

I went with Donna Summer over Chic for Disco (both got in)

I went with The Chantels for the returning nominees instead of Laura Nyro and Darlene Love

I went with Afrika Bambaataa instead of LL and the Beasties for hip-hop.

Overall though, I am pleasantly surprised they brought back Chuck Willis. His nominations came from so long ago that I lost hope.

Posted by Matt Love on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 09:07am


I'm beginning to think SRV gets nominated on the twenty-FIFTH anniversary of his untimely passing. It's only a matter of time. All in all a pretty good list of nominees.

Posted by mosey a. long on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 09:27am


Bon Jovi sure is an unpleasant surprise, but it's awfully nice to see Alice Cooper there

Posted by Greg on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 09:37am


In addition to these, who does everyone think will be inducted in the 3 other categories?

After the big Non-performer inductions splash they made last year. I'm hoping the Early Influence category gets multiple nominees this year as well.

Doug Morris will probably get in as a Non-Performer.

Leon Russell will probably get in as a sideman.



Posted by Matt Love on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 09:44am


Also, I think there will be more than 5 inductees this year. Firstly, the press release doesn't mention the exact number of inductees.

Secondly, there was talk of cutting down the eligibility by 5 years to get in bigger names quicker. That idea was confirmed to be scrapped. I think the alternative is increasing the number of inductees to clear up the back-log in order for more modern big name eligibles to get included when their eligibility time comes.

Posted by Matt Love on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 09:47am


Alice Cooper and Donovan should get in together solely so they can perform a proper "Billion Dollar Babies" at the induction.

Posted by Travis on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 09:55am


Another weak class of nominees. Further and further away from Hard Rock and Heavy Metal. So KISS was only worthy of being nominated once and then brushed aside and rejected, not even nominated this year, what a joke! Alice Cooper will probally face the same disrespect, it's like these buffoons enjoy mocking the greatest Hard Rock and Heavy Metal bands ever by toying with them.

Bon Jovi? Are you kidding me? What have they done besides sell alot of records and sell out arena's (which are as far as I understand is not criteria to get in, yeah right) where's the influence and innovation, they are just another pop rock milk toast band.

The J. Geils Band didn't do anything that great either. They fall into the whatever, who cares category, nothing special there. Many more deserving bands than them should be inducted, they are not worthy.

The other nominees don't even deserve my comments, lets just turn the Rock and Roll Hall of Lame into the Disco/Rap Hall of Lame.

Jann Wenner and these decrepid burn outs are as Matt Stone said in the RUSH documentary 'Beyond The Lighted Stage' "They're being old Dickheads".

SpaceTrucker

Posted by SpaceTrucker on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 10:17am


Well, if anything else this year's slate is the most contentious in years, even with the added slots. We got two hip-hop acts and two disco acts, only a few years after the same situation (with three of those same artists) saw a complete shut-out of the genres. On top of that, we have two tremendous singer/songwriters (Waits a major critical favorite, while Diamond is the one with the phenomenal commercial success); and two folk-oriented performers in Donovan and Laura Nyro, vying for induction.

Alice Cooper and Bon Jovi seem safe bets for induction, even at this early time. And I feel that return of the J. Geils Band and Joe Tex, each after a long hiatus, give them a bit of a leg up as well.

It's going to be interesting to see how this goes.

Posted by Ian on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 10:24am


This is a great bunch of nomminees.

I really hope that Alice Cooper gets in. He, in my opinion, is the Hall of Fame's biggest snub. Neil Diamond and Tom Waits would also be sweet! Also I hope some combo of the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Chic and Donna Summer get inducted. Both Hip-Hop and Disco are lacking representation in the Hall and it would help shut up the haters like Space Trucker.

Seeing Bon Jovi get nomminated is a disturbing sight along with Laura Nyro getting re-nomminated. Yet other than those two I think this a awesome set of nomminees!

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 10:33am


I think Donovan is a good bet. At this point, any British Invasion/late 60s British act that makes the ballot is almost guaranteed induction.

Alice Cooper is a welcome addition, but heavy metal has never fared too well on the ballot - look at how many tries it took Black Sabbath to get in. I doubt that they'll give the "keep nominating till they get in" treatment to Alice.

On the whole, it's not a bad group.

Posted by Frederick on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 10:48am


Surprisingly good list of nominees.

Sadly, the deck looks stacked to get Bon Joke in.

One hip hop: Either LL or the Beasties. Both deserve it and both will eventually make it.

Either Joe Tex or Dr. John. I'd prefer Dr. John, but I'm not going to get up in arms about either one.

Either Darlene Love or Laura Nyro. Again, you know there'll be a woman inducted, and as long as it's not Donna Summer, I'll be OK.

Bon Joke will be the ticket sellers.

And that leaves one left, and the most deserving nominees still out there.

I find the J. Geils Band to be a guilty pleasure, and I'm thrilled for them that they're nominated, but they're a borderline candidate at best. Alice Cooper's enshrinement is long overdue, but The Hall are a bunch of eunuchs. They long ago established their avoidance of any sort of music that has any balls.

So that leaves Tom Waits. Which means that he has no chance, sadly.

Instead, we'll probably get some sort of milkquetoast schmaltz like Neil Diamond, and menopausal housewives everywhere will rejoice.

Who I think are the 5 most deserving of that list: Alice Cooper, Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Tom Waits, Dr. John.

Who I think will end up getting the nod: LL Cool J, Dr. John, Darlene Love, Neil Diamond, Bon Blowme.

Posted by Ralph on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 11:07am


I predicted as nominations:

-Red Hot Chili Peppers
-Beastie Boys
-MC5
-Stevie Ray Vaughan
-Peter Gabriel
-Donna Summer
-Johnny Burnette & the Rock 'n' Roll Trio
-KISS
-Kraftwerk

Considering how difficult things can be to predict, I'm just glad to have gotten 2 right (Beastie Boys and Donna Summer.)

Alice Cooper: Well, this is a pleasant surprise. I'm dissapointed KISS didn't get nominated again, but some people thought their nomination might pay dividends for finally getting Alice on the ballot. I thought that was a possibility but I predicted KISS repeating instead; I'm very pleased that I was wrong. They're the ones I'm really pulling for as far as inductions are concerned, as they may not get this opportunity again.

Beastie Boys: One of the one's I got right. No complaints here. I hope they get it, but I won't be devastated if they don't, since they'll get plenty more opportunities.

Bon Jovi: I like some of their music, and I could see this coming for various reasons. I don't see them as worthy and there are far more worthy bands passed over (but more on that in a bit,) but it is what it is and it doesn't matter as much at this point. They have to sell tickets at the dinner, right?

Chic: Not too familiar with them, but I have no complaints about their presence on the ballot except that having two disco acts could leave the voters unsure which one to pick and thus having both them and Donna Summer passed over.

Neil Diamond: Not sure about this, but the baby boomers will be pleased.

Donovan: The description the Hall's given allows me to go along with this pick without complaining.

Dr. John: See Donovan.

LL Cool J: Fair enough, but the Beasties should go in first.

J. Geils Band: I don't agree with this, but it was inevitable in some ways.

Darlene Love: Wouldn't she do better as a Sideman rather than a Performer?

Joe Tex: See Donovan.

Laura Nyro: I guess I can go along with this.

Donna Summer: Hard to argue with that.

Tom Waits and Chuck Willis: See Donovan.

A good job on the whole, but they could've done better.

I can't really make Induction predictions except I'm certain Bon Jovi will be inducted. In fact I guarantee it.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 11:10am


How does it make any sense that KISS was worthy of nimination last year but now this year they are not. What happened in this past year that made KISS no longer worthy of nomination. This is a huge gaff in the Hall of Lame's nominating and induction process. It makes no sense whatsoever.

These clowns don't have a clue what they are doing and should have figured this stuff out before they started this abomination.

One year a band is worthy of nomination and the next year they are not, that is just plain stupid. Bands or artist's that are nominated should remain nominated until they are inducted or a certain number of years pass by (like maybe 5-10 years)then they are deemed them not worthy for induction and are dropped.

SpaceTrucker

Posted by SpaceTrucker on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 11:15am


Hey guys!!! Don't forget about record sales and over all popularity. Neil Diamond has sold more records than all of the other nominees combined. I think he's the only real lock here for induction into the RRHOF.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 11:16am


"Neil Diamond: Not sure about this, but the baby boomers will be pleased."

I'm pleased and I'm not a baby boomer ;)

Well I got a few predictions right so this means I know need to give my detailed predictions for the class of 2011, I don't have time to do it now but it'll come

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 11:18am


This has got to be the lamest nomination list since this whole thing started. Of course they've left out the usual suspects. But to substitute such a bland group of nominees! Sure Alice Cooper and J.Geils are "ok". Even Dr. John. But not before the dozen or so more worthy ROCK AND ROLL artists overlooked yet again. The only artist on this list I'd vote for is the Beastie Boys. The rest: boring!

Posted by Coby on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 11:34am


yucky.

Posted by kkikk on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 11:46am


I only got one (Donna Summer) of my twelve right--but in fairness--yeah, right--I was trying to predict twelve that would get in eventually. At least that's what I am telling myself...

As for this year's nominees, my vast (okay, half-vast) knowledge of this subject will bring out this SWAG* about who will be inducted:

Donna Summer--an obvious choice. It's difficult to come up with anyone else who personified a genre of music as she did with disco.

Alice Cooper--I didn't think of him before, but where would KISS, Marilyn Manson, and several others be without his trail-blazing?

Chic--They've been nominated too may times without being inducted; the committee will probably just induct them just to shut Jann Wenner up already.

Neil Diamond--Purely commercial. Aside from Bon Jovi and (perhaps) the Beastie Boys--both of which are probably too current to merit induction yet--this is the act that is capable of selling tickets. Everyone else here, if they're performing at all, is on the casino-and-state-fair circuit.

Beyond that, I won't even try to guess.

*SWAG=Scientific, Wild-Assed Guess

Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 12:09pm


Alice Cooper has no chance. He's a Republican. You think that The Committee will induct one of them, you're kidding yourself. See Rush. See Nugent, Ted. Etc.

Posted by Ralph on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 12:24pm


Since when did album sales and concert tickets merit induction? I get it: Neil Diamond, the Brill Building, nice songwriter, friend of Robbie Robertson. (Yawn) But Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?? Same with Donna Summer and Chic - Disco Hall of Fame maybe, but it just ain't Rock & Roll to me. Donovan (zzzzz!) Darlene Love, Laura Nyro, Joe Tex, Tom Waits, Chuck Willis -- Very impressive. Got out your Popular Music Encyclopedia did ya?

And if we're really going with Hip Hop and Rap, then LLCoolJ's got to get a rather long line that includes Public Enemy, KRS-One, and yes, the Beastie Boys, among others.

Seriously, I'm still waiting for Stevie Ray Vaughan, Peter Gabriel, Yes (really, Yes!), Jethro Tull, Deep Purple, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and yeah even Kiss, to get their due.

Just put the Rock back in Rock & Roll will ya please?!

Posted by Coby on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 12:38pm


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/preyear.php?induction_year=2001

The last time The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame ballot had over 15 nominees was in 2000 for the 2001 induction ceremony. The main performers category had 16 nominees and 8 were inducted. This year there are 15 nominees, and there will most likely be 6 or 7 inductees.

Looking at this year's nominees, there are a lot of big names, and a lot of not so big names. The inductees for the 2011 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame is so damn obvious, it's laughable! They've got so many friends who have been inducted and will be voting for them!

THIS THING IS SO DONE AND OVER WITH!! IT'S A LOCK!!

DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF INDUCTEES, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW YET!

THE 2011 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME (5 INDUCTEES)

Neil Diamond
Alice Cooper
Tom Waits
Donovan
Dr. John

THE 2011 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME (6 INDUCTEES)

Neil Diamond
Alice Cooper
Tom Waits
Donovan
Dr. John
Darlene Love

THE 2011 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME (7 INDUCTEES)

Neil Diamond
Alice Cooper
Tom Waits
Donovan
Dr. John
Darlene Love
Laura Nyro

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 12:39pm


"I find the J. Geils Band to be a guilty pleasure, and I'm thrilled for them that they're nominated, but they're a borderline candidate at best. Alice Cooper's enshrinement is long overdue, but The Hall are a bunch of eunuchs. They long ago established their avoidance of any sort of music that has any balls." - Ralph

Truth well spoken. You know J. Geils and Bon Jovi wouldn't be getting nominated if they weren't Jann's buddies (well the latter might've been anyway if they were unable to come up with another big ticket seller.) Ralph even had the balls to come up with a whole set of induction predictions where I only could come up with one. I hope they expand it beyond 5 inductions, because if you start doing 5 inductions a year more and more nominees will get left out in the cold. Right, I have some things I want to throw out there:

-I am surprised and dissapointed Stevie Ray Vaughan wasn't nominated, but don't give up on him yet; there's still time. I still think he'll get in eventually, most likely around the 25th anniversary of his death as someone else suggested; either that or the 25th anniversary of In Step.

-The biggest surprise of last year's nominations (aside from Genesis getting nominated) was Red Hot Chili Peppers not being inducted. We knew they'd be nominated easily, but it was a shock that they didn't get inducted, so I figured they were the favorites to be nominated this year, so I'm surprised that they weren't (not dissapointed except that this means there's not really any Alternative on the ballot, and to be honest I think RHCP are pretty overrated and find Faith No More to be a much better band.) The fact that they haven't been inducted yet doesn't ruin their chances; their first three albums made no noise, with the first two failing to chart. However, they will definitely be inducted later this decade because of their success and significance, probably somewhere between 2014 and 2016.

-Speaking of a lack of Alt-Rock, the omissions there are piling up now, with Faith No More, My Bloody Valentine, Happy Mondays, The Stone Roses and Dinosaur Jr. all now eligible (only FNM stands any chance of induction.) The Jesus & Mary Chain. Sonic Youth. Husker Du. The Replacements (they did make some dents in the mainstream and will probably be inducted at some point.) The Cure (you can write off all of the other bands I'm listing if these guys don't get in; fortunately they will... eventually.) Depeche Mode (see The Cure.) The Smiths. Cocteau Twins. Joy Division. Gang of Four. The Fall. New Order. All passed over AGAIN! Some of the nominations in recent years have showed the Hall is trying to fight over the youth's favorites (though it's important to note that I'm not a fan of all the bands I've listed.) I suspect even R.E.M. would've been passed over if not for their success.

-Punk. You'd think that The Stooges getting in would motivate them to address the omissions of MC5 ("They gave us a direction. We wouldn't exist without that band" said Iggy,) the New York Dolls, Television, The Jam, Bad Brains, Black Flag, The Dead Kennedys... apparently not. But then, as Ralph said, the Hall has refused to induct bands without balls unless absolutely necessary, which brings us to...

-Metal and Hard Rock omissions. Yes, Alice Cooper has finally been nominated, but they should've been INDUCTED already. KISS failed to return to the ballot, and Thin Lizzy, Rainbow, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Anthrax, Ozzy, Slayer and Venom are still waiting to be considered, whilst Iron Maiden and Deep Purple haven't been nominated again (these guys are all more worthy than Bon Jovi or J. Geils Band.)

-Prog. Some people felt optimistic that the induction of Genesis would turn around things here, what with a few major omissions here. Others, like me, felt that Genesis got in solely on the basis of the Phil Collins hit-making era (since about 90% of the world outside of England isn't aware that there is any other Genesis.) Sadly, I was right.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 13:00pm



http://rockhall.com/blog/post/4911_nominations-for-2011-induction/

2011 Rock Hall

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 13:00pm


My choices for 2011 HOF and my reasoning.
Alice Cooper- pioneered stage shows
J. Geils Band- mixed blues, rock, and new wave
Donovan-forefront of pyschedila movement
Dr. John-brought New Orleans style blues to pop music
Chic and Donna Summer- pioneers in disco and dance music.

Nominees that are very deserving but I feel can wait another year due to the list content.
Neil Diamond
Tom Waits
Joe Tex
Laura Nyro
Darlene Love
Chuck Willis (maybe as Early Influence this year)

Nominees that can wait a while (10+yrs)
Bon Jovi
LL Cool J
Beastie Boys


Posted by danny on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 13:03pm


Didn't Neil Diamond (who had never been previously nominated) like less than a month ago express how he wasn't happy that he wasn't in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and several weeks later he gets nominated for the first time? Probably a coincidence but interesting nevertheless

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 13:11pm


http://rockhall.com/inductees

THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2011 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

Alice Cooper
Beastie Boys
Bon Jovi
Chic
Neil Diamond
Donovan
Dr. John
J. Geils Band
LL Cool J
Darlene Love
Laura Nyro
Donna Summer
Joe Tex
Tom Waits
Chuck Willis

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 13:23pm


This is too good to be true. After all these years, many artists who deserved tehir due are finally up for induction. My best guess would be:

Alice Cooper
Tom Waits
Dr. John
J. Geils Band
Donna Summer

Posted by Dr. W on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 13:32pm


Well it's 2011 and still no nomination for ELO!

Bon Jovi before Electric Light Orchestra?!

Although my congrats go out to J. Geils Band along with Alice Cooper!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 13:32pm


To Coby:

"Since when did album sales and concert tickets merit induction? ..."

Since the HOF needs money to function, and since Neil Diamond, Bon Jovi, and (perhaps) LL Cool J and the Beastie Boys are capable of getting people to pay thousands for a table at the induction ceremony. Somehow, I doubt that Donna Summer--worthy as she is--is capable of doing that, since she is playing the casino circuit as we speak.

Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 13:35pm


I dont understand why LL Cool J is nominated, what has he ever done for music? what influence has he ever had? what has ever done of merit? what a joke!

Posted by Jack on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 13:46pm


Sam,

Good thoughts. I don’t agree with all of them, of course, but that’s what opinions are for, right?

As for SRV, the 25th anniversary of his death was 2005. The 25th anniversary of In Step, I believe, was 2004? Last month was the 30th anniversary of his passing. Sadly, I'm beginning to wonder if The Committee just feels that he's a blues artist and not a rock artist. He's more rock than any of the pop, disco, or easy listening, but I get the sad feeling I'm pissing in the wind on SRV.

RHCP will get in soon, but they only do one “main event” act per year. And this year is Bon Joke. Faith No More is an awesome band but they have no shot whatsoever of getting in. As for your alt-rock list, I don’t see a single one getting in any time soon. Maybe some years down the line, The Cure and Depeche Mode might get in. But there’s a reason these bands were alternative. I actually get a chuckle when I see people pining for their favorite alt-rock bands. It’s like 6 record store clerks getting together and wondering why Yo La Tengo isn’t inducted. The sad truth is you’re more likely to see Soul Asylum get in than any of these acts. Doesn’t have anything to do with whether the bands are or are not good bands. Just that, aside from The Cure and Depeche Mode, their collective chances approach zero. You said it yourself in the last sentence – even REM wouldn’t have made it if they hadn’t had some success. It’s not the sole ingredient, but without a modicum of commercial success, an alt-rock band is the proverbial tree falling in the woods. If nobody hears it, then it doesn’t matter what it sounds like.

As for Punk, Metal, and Prog, well, not much to disagree with there. I wouldn’t necessarily induct all the bands you listed, but that’s kinda beside the point.

Good stuff.

Posted by Ralph on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 14:03pm


I dont understand why LL Cool J is nominated, what has he ever done for music? what influence has he ever had? what has ever done of merit? what a joke!

I COULDN'T HAVE AGREED MORE TO THIS GARBAGE

This is the reason why we have schmucks like JAnn Wenner running a farce. Hopefully they'll vote him out and get the real RnR inside.

Posted by danny on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 14:03pm


My picks
DONNA SUMMER!!!!
NEIL DIAMOND
Alice Cooper
Chic
Bon Jovi

Thats a good selection of pop, rock, 70s, 80s, MOR, R&B, dance music. I know there's no rap..but i REALLY don't think LL Cool J has been influential as Donna or Chic or as popular as Diamond and Cooper. And with the beastie boys, i think 'Fight for your Right'..

Donna Summer is a pioneer in pop/dance music and a innovator for following female pop icons. Credentials include some of the most famous and iconic hit songs and albums in the last 30 years. The Bad Girls album, I Feel Love, Love to Love you Baby, The Wanderer album and Once Upon a Time. These records were very ahead of their time both in content (female sexuality and lib, prostitution,)and in music (the synths through Moroder, and for helping laying the foundations of dance music as we know and hear it today). She was the only real superstar of the disco era and the late 70s. Yes some Disco does 'suck' but definitely not Donna Summer. She should be inducted 2011!


Posted by Bruce on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 14:27pm


I can't wait for the Digital Dream Door analysis.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 14:48pm


Genesis had to be inducted (and rightly so by the way) if for no other reason than to avoid embarrassing the rest of the band when Peter Gabriel is inducted. Gabriel is a no-brainer.

Perhaps I'm just too darn old, but am I completely wrong about Yes? Is there anybody out there who finds the omission of Yes to be particularly glaring?

As for alt-rock, with any luck the Seattle music scene will help the Hall shortly, as we'll have Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains etc... and, with any luck, some new blood on the nominating committee.

Posted by Coby on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 14:56pm


As for SRV, the 25th anniversary of his death was 2005. The 25th anniversary of In Step, I believe, was 2004? Last month was the 30th anniversary of his passing. Sadly, I'm beginning to wonder if The Committee just feels that he's a blues artist and not a rock artist. He's more rock than any of the pop, disco, or easy listening, but I get the sad feeling I'm pissing in the wind on SRV.

Ralph, SRV passed away on August 27, 1990. The year 2015 will be the 25th anniversary of his death. Last month was the twentieth anniversary.I hope we don't have to wait that long for his nomination and induction. His absence in the Hall is glaring. But I believe he will eventually be nominated, probably within the next couple of years.

Posted by Hans Landa on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 15:23pm


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/2011_Nomination_Predictions.php

FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS PREDICTION

Beastie Boys
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Leon Russell
T. Rex
LL Cool J
Sting
Donna Summer
Joe Tex
The Chantels
Johnny Burnette and the Rock N Roll Trio
Devo
Yes

YOU ONLY GOT FOUR RIGHT

Beastie Boys
LL Cool J
Donna Summer
Joe Tex

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 15:39pm


...and of course, where's Rush?

Posted by Coby on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 15:53pm


IMMORTAL NON-PERFORMERS FOR INDUCTION

Cosimo Matassa, Tom Dowd, John Simon, Arif Mardin, Phil Ramone, Quincy Jones, Sergio Mendez, David Foster, Jim Steinman, Bob Crewe, David Porter, Richard Barrett, Robert Blackwell, Carole Bayer Sager, Bernie Taupin, Diane Warren

Bert Berns & Jerry Ragavoy
Norman Whitfield and Barret Strong
Burt Bacharach and Hal David
Henry Cosby and Sylvia Moy
Thom Bell and Linda Creed
Boudleaux & Felice Bryant

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 15:57pm


I dont think Bon Jovi should be in before all the current snubs, but at this point I'll take what I can get. The real hall has it absoultely right when they talk about their longevity being influential.

Also its good to see that the real hall plans on inducting Alice Cooper the band. Id say their induction is a safe bet, but if you had told me the real hall was gonna induct The Hollies over KISS a year ago, I would've laughed in your face, so you can never be sure.

Posted by Jimbo on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 16:26pm


So, is every body ready for three or four months of the site being flooded with the cliche zombie army?

"Rap isn't rock, dude"

"This ain't the disco hall of fame."

"How is Madonna in but, (insert mid-tier prog or 60s rock act) isn't. She's not even rock."

"I've never even heard of half these people."

Fun days ahead.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 16:39pm


LOL Darin. I couldn't have said it better myself.

That's why I post mainly in the Revisited/Projected thread. It's a small haven for sanity around here.

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 18:25pm


That's why I post mainly in the Revisited/Projected thread. It's a small haven for sanity around here.

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 18:25pm


And here's hoping it stays that way.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 19:17pm


http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2011.html

THE DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

THE 2011 ROCK 'N' ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES QUALIFICATION RATING

01. The Beastie Boys - 8 - Unquestioned Credentials
02. Bon Jovi - 7 - Solid Choice
03. Chic - 7 - Solid Choice
04. Alice Cooper - 7 - Solid Choice
05. Neil Diamond - 4 - Modest Accomplishments
06. Donovan - 6 - Strong Case To Be Made
07. Dr. John - 7 - Solid Choice
08. J. Geils Band - 4 - Modest Accomplishments
09. LL Cool J. - 8 - Unquestioned Credentials
10. Darlene Love - 5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short
11. Laura Nyro - 2 - Mostly Insignificant
12. Donna Summer - 7 - Solid Choice
13. Joe Tex - 7 - Solid Choice
14. Tom Waits - 4 - Modest Accomplishments
15. Chuck Willis - 7 - Solid Choice

OVERVIEW

For the first time in years the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame has a truly deep and diverse list of nominees for consideration for the 2011 class. Fifteen artists spanning the earliest days of rock with Chuck Willis to artists who defined the many facets of rock 'n' roll in recent decades like L.L. Cool J., Bon Jovi and The Beastie Boys, have made the list with many, such as Alice Cooper, Donovan and Dr. John, being nominated for the first time after years of being overlooked. The Hall Of Fame nominating committee clearly continues to push for personal favorites as evidenced by the inclusion of the talented but largely overshadowed figure of Darlene Love, as well as critical darling Laura Nyro, both of whom failed to make it last year and everybody's friend Peter Wolf, whose J. Geils Band gets a second appearance on the ballot. Meanwhile other returning nominees Chic and Donna Summer are rightly trying to get the notoriously despised disco field of rock represented in the Hall Of Fame, having failed to do so in the past decade despite multiple nominations each. Joe Tex, one of the most deserving candidates yet to make it, gets his fifth appearance on the ballot. The nomination of the critically adored Tom Waits seems to have taken longer than many expected. Lastly, the presence of the massively popular but widely ridiculed Neil Diamond, a songwriter of impressive stature but a performer who's adult contemporary pop slant makes him this year's most questionable act, ensures that the Hall Of Fame is not ducking the slings and arrows that will surely fly once more from enraged rock fans who feel the Hall has already become too broad in its scope. However, the ballot is not lacking for qualified candidates and all types of listeners should be able to find at least one artist to throw their support behind.

CONCLUSION

For once there are no clear-cut favorites for induction when the five acts to be enshrined are voted on. The two most qualified artists on the ballot, The Beastie Boys and LL Cool J, have each been denied in previous years and both represent the rap segment of the rock 'n' roll kingdom which voters have shown an uneasiness about properly crediting. The Hall's integrity and credibility are increasingly on the line each year they fail to understand the massive importance of hip-hop as rock's most successful and influential style over the past thirty years. Conversely on the low end of the scale, the four artists with more questionable resumes each have something unique about them that could easily overcome flaws as candidates, either their lack of objective achievements in the case of Laura Nyro and Tom Waits, the stylistic debate over Neil Diamond, the journeyman status of the J. Geils Band, or the uncertain spot Darlene Love occupies in rock history, seemingly more suited as a sideman selection for her many uncredited performances, yet on the ballot as a Main Performer nonetheless. All which leaves a surplus of deserving candidates among the remaining artists representing a wide array of eras and styles. Any of these would be worthy choices, but obviously not all can make it. Disco remains shamefully underrepresented in the Hall and so one of the two acts from that realm, Chic or Donna Summer, should be inducted to help correct that oversight, but it is possible they could cancel one another out in voter's minds. Donovan and Joe Tex represent the 60's, which has long been the Hall's favorite decade, yet both have been eligible for years without being deemed worthy. The hard rock contingent would seem to make Alice Cooper a favorite, yet he too has been neglected until this point. Dr. John's stature would appear to give him a leg up, but will his reputation overcome his lack of familiar hits? Bon Jovi has the hits that he lacks, but their reputation, and that of their style of rock itself, still face derision in some quarters. Chuck Willis was frequently nominated back in the 80's when the Hall Of Fame was just starting up, but he failed to get in at the time when his familiarity was likely to be much more widely known than it is today, as his career is the most distant in rock's rearview mirror.

The ballot can essentially be broken down into three distinct categories and together they comprise the key match ups that will go a long way into determining the inductees. The most intriguing of these is the three way competition between singer/songwriters Laura Nyro, Tom Waits and Chuck Willis. The first two have the more prominent critical acclaim, particularly among the voting body demographics of white post-60's intellectuals, with Waits having the biggest name recognition among the bloggers and armchair critics who will weigh in with their opinions to influence voters. Yet when looking at purely objective standards, Willis beats both easily. He was the only one who was commercially successful as an artist, and quite impressively so, including having great influence over a widespread style of rock that emerged in his wake. Maybe somewhat surprisingly to many, he was also the one who was the most successful as a songwriter for others. Since those three represent the same basic type of artist, by far the most deserving is Chuck Willis.

There are nine artists on the ballot whose main credentials stem largely from their popularity, Bon Jovi, The Beastie Boys, Chic, Alice Cooper, Neil Diamond, Donovan, LL Cool J., Donna Summer and Joe Tex. Diamond, Summer and Bon Jovi are easily the most successful, yet Diamond's, as noted, comes more in the adult contemporary field with only cursory attention paid to rock. Both Summer and Bon Jovi are performing in styles that many in the rock critic community find distasteful and excessive. LL Cool J. is the next most popular artist and he too faces uncertain voter support due to the style he represents, despite its mainstream dominance and critical acclaim from those outside of the voting body. Therefore it is entirely possible that none of the four most successful acts on the ballot get in. The three artists here who boast substantial bonus points for their careers, the influence of the Beastie Boys on sampling and their impact in breaking rap through to a wider audience, the writing and production skills of Chic that made them the most widely recognized triple threat in their era, and the writing and performing influence of Tex, might in fact make those three more apt to get in than those who had slightly greater popularity.

Finally there's the question of reputation which always seems to play a huge factor in determining who gets considered by the widest array of voters, particularly among those whose achievements might be lacking in some area. In other words, who are the coolest ones to mark a check beside their names? Voting for Dr. John would not make anyone uncomfortable and he just seems the type of artist the Hall likes to promote. The J. Geils Band has supporters from anyone who's ever been hugged on stage by Peter Wolf, so in their case it's a question of how many of those have both a ballot and his number on speed dial. Waits is seen as hands down the hippest name on the roster. Love is beloved. Nyro is canonized in some minds. LL Cool J. is the one with the most modern credibility. Cooper is still widely known and visible and would still garner plenty of headlines.

All in all, it is a crapshoot. The chances the Hall makes all of the right choices is probably slim, as always, but with the number of qualified candidates on the ballot the odds they make nothing but poor choices is also less than it has been in recent years. There's no overwhelming figure to dominate the proceedings and so, as has been the case for far too long, the demographics of the voting body itself will go a long way in determining the class of 2011. The diversity of the nominees this year is encouraging, but is there enough diversity in the voters to measure up?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 19:20pm


I agree with DarinG and DC. It is becoming abundantly clear that the Revisited and Projected Rock Hall has got it right. The real Rock Hall, by comparison, has only gotten it somewhat right.

In any case, with the nominees for the Performers category having been announced, here is whom I believe will be the inductees in the Performers category for the Rock and Roll Hall of fame Class of 2011.

Donna Summer
Alice Cooper
LL Cool J
Donovan
Neil Diamond

If it extends to 2 more inductees:

Tom Waits
Laura Nyro

I could also see the Beastie Boys getting inducted in an upset. I am still perplexed as to why Darlene Love is nominated again. Yet, the Revisited Rock Hall inducted Darlene Love, along with the Blossoms. So, there we are. And I am pleasantly surprised to have Dr. John be considered. A well deserving honor in its own right.

The remaining five artists are worthy of recognition, though not immediately. In each case, better artists are more deserving, yet have not been considered for this induction cycle. Chic are the best amongst those five; yet some time will need to come to pass before Chic are taken seriously. Joseph Hazziez (Joe Tex) is well deserving: yet, a posthumous induction has always been a bit of a problem for the RRHOF. J. Geils is alright; some decent blues and early 80s hit songs. They are not that influential, however. J. Geils is not yet even the most deserving artist from Boston to be inducted next. That would have to be The Cars.

Bon Jovi can wait. They are okay, yet not the best. Just because Bon Jovi hail from New Jersey does not mean the Hall of Fame awaits them at the front door.

I know I am going to get dissed for this. Yet, I do not see Chuck Willis ever being inducted. Sad to say, Willis was not influential; indeed, Willis records in his lifetime were rather bland and not satisfying. He wrote good songs, yet there are better cover versions. For instance, I identify with "C.C. Rider" with Elvis Presley, not Chuck Willis.

Second, and perhaps more telling, is the lack of longevity. Chuck Willis died in 1958 at 30 years old. Had Willis lived, I am certain greater things would come. Alas, it was not to be. Due to the dearth of material, and with Chuck Willis just getting started in his prime, I do not think Chuck Willis is a hall of famer.

The one certain inductee this year is Doug Morris. He will be inducted as a non-performer.

Well, those are my predictions for the inductees in the RRHOF Class of 2011. Suffice to say, I was really looking forward to an induction for Peter Gabriel this coming election cycle. And, yes, I felt that Rush would at least be considered a finalist. But, no: Jann Wenner just had to get more of his buddies inducted, did he not? As we speak, Wenner is doing all he can to induct Bon Jovi. Not now, Jann. In my view, sales mean nothing. Influence is everything.

Waiting for the big flood to come on the Dolce Vita:(,

Lax27

Posted by Lax27 on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 19:44pm


Here's my thoughts on who gets inducted in 2011

Top 5 Inductees

Beastie Boys: They cover not just rap, but they have punk, hard rock, alternative, techo, and funk. In my mind, they are in their own catergory

Presenter: Jay-Z, Puff Daddy or Rick Rubin

Bon Jovi: The Rock Hall needs to focus on more current artist very soon, so why not start now. Bon Jovi's inductions should help artist like Rush, Yes, Dire Straits, Def Leppard, Heart, and Journey

Presenter: Slash or Aerosmith

Alice Cooper: He's been waiting for a while now, and he would be the hard rock pick. It makes sense to put Alice in before KISS because Alice came first. KISS can wait til next year unless the Rock Hall nominated Deep Purple.

Presenter: Ozzy Osborne, Metallica, Rob Zombie or Marilyn Manson

Neil Diamond: I'm not a fan of him, but he has been very successful, and artist like U2 are inspired by his work. Shockey I know. Plus the hall like to put in older acts each year, so Neil Diamond would be the safe pick.

Presenter: Barbara Streisand or U2

Donna Summer: The hall needs a female to join this group and donna summer has the best shot of getting in. She pioneered Disco/Dance music.

Presenter: Beyonce or Lady Gaga

If the hall inducts two more in addition, then here of the last two

1. Tom Waits Presenter: Lou Reed
2. J Geils Band Presenter: Stevie Van Zandt or Aerosmith

LL Cool J will probably get in either next year or sometime after Public Enemy and NWA....probably will get in before 2 Pac since LL came out before them.

LL Cool J's Presenter: Jay-Z or Usher

Posted by Kyle on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 06:40am


"As for alt-rock, with any luck the Seattle music scene will help the Hall shortly, as we'll have Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains etc... and, with any luck, some new blood on the nominating committee."

Nirvana's a lock, and they and Pearl Jam have the rare distinction of having both commercial success, critical acclaim and artistic credibility. PJ's also a lock. Soundgarden will likely get in eventually, but it'll take awhile, like what's happening with RHCP. They might have to wait behind PJ and Nirvana (their first release was a song on an obscure compilation, and their first two albums were only cult favorites.) Their first really good chance might be 2016, the 25th anniversary of Badmotorfinger and also when Pearl Jam's eligible; wouldn't it be awesome to see the two bands go in together? Alice in Chains certainly deserve it, but they have some obstacles: They've had a lackluster critical reputation at times (outside of the Hard Rock and Metal critics who mostly love them,) and Rolling Stone hasn't always recognized them. I believe they'll get in eventually, but it'll take awhile, and it won't be until after Soundgarden, Nirvana and Pearl Jam all get in, and they'll probably have to also wait behind the next Alternative-Metal mega-force, Rage Against the Machine, who are eligible for 2017 and are somewhere in between a "probable induction" and a "lock." Tool are also eligible that year, but the Hall's distate for both metal and prog (since they're bits of both) and flying under the radar despite being mainstream will force them to wait awhile, if not keeping them out entirely. AIC will get in before Stone Temple Pilots, who I believe will get in eventually but it'll take awhile due to critical slander, some of which was self-inflicted (I do like STP but for me they're borderline at best.) The Melvins were at the front-lines of grunge, influenced all of the major four Seattle bands plus metal bands such as Tool and Mastodon but they have no chance. I really don't see any first-wave grunge bands getting in besides Soundgarden. As for the rest of American Alt: I do think new blood and critical acclaim will get Sonic Youth OR Husker Du OR Pixies in eventually, though I'd induct all three without question. Nine Inch Nails are a lock, as are Green Day. The Replacements made a brief splash so I think they'll get in, but it'll take some time. Jane's Addiction will probably get in (and should,) but that'll take awhile too. RHCP are still a lock. That's all I want to comment on for now.

On the British side: The Cure and Depeche Mode will likely get in eventually, as Ralph said. I believe Duran Duran has a legitimate shot, but that'll be a major uphill battle. The Smiths are too British and not well-known over to the average American (I don't care for them really but they belong,) New Order's too connected to the much-maligned (by rockism people) synth-pop and electronica styles to win over people like Wenner and Joy Division's too obscure. My Bloody Valentine and The Stone Roses are newly eligibles now, are highly influential and are adored by critics but a lack of material and lack of Stateside success hampers them, so I'll be surprised if they're even considered. Happy Mondays: See above. Their main problem is their lack of Stateside success. Massive Attack MIGHT get in eventually, but that'll take a lot of work. Radiohead are a lock further down the line. Oasis are eligible shortly after that, and the large-scale success of "Morning Glory" and the huge critical acclaim that went along with that and Definitely Maybe will be just enough to get them in... eventually. I'd induct their contemporaries Blur and Suede first (though the three bands sound nothing alike so don't compare them,) but the only way I ever see those two getting having any chance of a nomination is if there's a shakeup of the people involved, with old-timers out and some younger blood in.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 08:25am


Alice Cooper
Tom Waits
Beastie Boys
Donna Summer
Dr. John

If they go with the traditional 5 inductees, this would be my ballot. (I do hope they go 7 this year, though.)

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 12:35pm


Hard to argue with that ballot, Darin. But if I had to predict: Bon Jovi, Donna Summer, LL Cool J, Tom Waits, Alice Cooper. I actually need to think about that.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 13:05pm


I really hope your ballot is true, but knowing the Hall they'll probably just do this:

Bon Jovi
Alice Cooper (they'll look pretty bad if they look him over)
Donna Summer
J. Geils Band
Chic

Neil Diamond, LL and Beasties should be in, but will be over looked so they can induct their favorites (excluding Cooper, who will be, to them, a necessary evil)

Posted by Jimbo on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 13:16pm


I really hope your ballot is true, but knowing the Hall they'll probably just do this:

Bon Jovi
Alice Cooper (they'll look pretty bad if they look him over)
Donna Summer
J. Geils Band
Chic

Neil Diamond, LL and Beasties should be in, but will be over looked so they can induct their favorites (excluding Cooper, who will be, to them, a necessary evil)

Posted by Jimbo on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 13:16pm


I think they'll induct more than 5 people.
Also to the person who said no alt rock artists will get in... Then what about The Velvet Underground?

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 14:13pm


Anybody that has been on this blog and website for some years now should know the trend by now. The nominees go something like this. The sure fire blockbuster lock... Neil Diamond. And this class' wildcard. Who will it be ??? Joe Tex, Dr.John etc. Last year it was Jimmy Cliff. The year before that it was Bobby Womack.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 14:16pm


I wish I could understand what exactly the Moody Blues did to get themselves blackballed. Weren't their first 8 or so albums acclaimed even by most American critics? I guess I'm biased because I'm a fan, but I am shocked that they have never even been nominated.

I also want to share that I just had an epiphany: Duran Duran is the British equivalent of Bon Jovi.

-Rob

Posted by Rob on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 14:28pm


the reason why bon jovi got the nod yesterday

While we don’t always look at ticket and album sales, it’s still something to consider," "When you look at the acts that are out there who can sell out stadiums and also sell millions of records, and do it year after year, well, only a handful of artists do that. And almost all of those artists are already in the Hall of Fame."

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation president and CEO Joel Peresman

Posted by wuz up on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 15:40pm


And now to hear from the Silver Button winner (that would me), I therefore deign to comment the following:

I have no effin' clue.

IMO, the front-runner is Tom Waits. He's a figurehead of the indie scene, or he would be if having a figurehead wasn't a fascist ploy that "the man" uses as an opiate to maintain control of the masses, and the indie scene is waaay too hip to that.

I'll actually dissect and predict later. All I'll say for now is that if *I* were given a vote (and I so wish I were, but who here doesn't?), the pecking order for my votes would be:

Darlene Love
The Beastie Boys
Donovan
Alice Cooper
Tom Waits
Neil Diamond
Donna Summer
The J. Geils Band
Bon Jovi
Chuck Willis
Laura Nyro
Chic
LL Cool J
Joe Tex
Doctor John--the only one I would flat-out say NO to.

Other than the Night Tripper, and maybe Joe Tex, there isn't really anyone on here I'd say no to. That said, I wish there were a clear leader that I could point to and say, "Oh hell yeah, they're in." If SRV were on here, I'd say it was him. Or Rush.

Lastly, I want to call out Charles Crossley, Jr. right now, and ask him, where did he get that it'd be a 50% or better induction this year, and not "Top Five Vote Getters"? I don't see it anywhere in the press release on rockhall.com, so I'm curious what your source is for that. If you don't mind answering that, I'd appreciate it. Thank-you.

This year's Silver Button winner (the Gold Button will go to whoever does best in the Inductee picking),

Philip

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 18:11pm


Philip saying no to DR John an say yes to Waits is kinda strange ,,Since Waits is kinda a copy of the Dr in many ways .......I really like Waits he is great..!!!.but I am beginng to understand you better....What ever is selling is what you are buying..???LOL
This is no race

Posted by mrxyzomg on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 18:32pm


· Alice Cooper
· Beastie Boys
· Donna Summer
· Joe Tex
· Chuck Willis

Posted by akeem on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 18:33pm


mrxyz, I have no idea why you're attacking me on that one, unless Dr. John is your top pick on this list.

But considering Tom Waits has never had a hit single (which you put so much stock in previous arguments) or even a hit song on the Album Rock tracks, I don't see how you can accuse me of preferring "what's selling". I really don't.
I'm not a huge fan of Waits, but "Hold On" and "Downtown Train" are incredible songs. And with Darlene and the Beasties topping my list, both of whom combined have less than ten Hot 100 singles (I believe), your accusation is refuted on its face.

Dr. John I just plain don't like. Admittedly not the best reason to not vote for someone, but considering this is a decent looking ballot, I can afford to let that be a deciding factor, I think. I'm not a huge fan of the New Orleans sound, though, in general--aside from Fats Domino, Lloyd Price, and Clarence "Frogman" Henry, that is. I'm not a fan of zydeco music, not big on New Orleans jazz (aside from the Mardi-Gras-festival style). I was tempted to turn off the 2006 ceremonies when they closed with a tribute to New Orleans. Just not big on the city. "Right Place, Wrong Time" has always annoyed me, "Such A Night" sounds like a joke, "Iko Iko"... eh, the Dixie Cups version was better. Whatever. Just not my cup of cappuccino.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 19:21pm


http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/blogs/103985778.html


This voter said that the ballot allows you to rank up to eight people on the ballot, so perhaps there could be a class as big as eight coming from this ballot of fifteen?

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 20:17pm


Thanks Casper. I saw that later on, too. It'd be cool to have a class of eight, but let's be real... ain't happening. 7 would be a stretch.

Since it's possible to have a no one get 50% of the vote, don't be surprised if we do only get five. But again, I have no effin' clue right now.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 20:23pm


Philip
The reason I bring that up as mentioned: Waits and the Dr sound very much the same... Only the Dr is from the Delta and Waits is from Pamona Ca,,,I realy like Waits but I do realize that he took much of what the Dr does and used it .. Nothing wrong with it... just pointing it out,, Waits has become very popular in the past few years.....Waits is selling bigger that Dr John is right now.....He has some really great stuff!!! It kinda reminds me of DD.. He is selling so other than that reason there is no reason... It is hard to understand you not liking the Dr. but liking Waits...I just assume you are going with the masses.. I am sure you don't think so but It looks like it from this rain cloud.. I hope it does not feel like rain drops falling on your head.. on what I am saying I am not attacking ,just pointing out the pattern.. I really enjoy you taking the time with me..To give me your explanation on why I am wrong rather than taking the time in believing my opinion.. ...LOL

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 20:43pm


Casper / Philip -- before we get carried away with the eight inductees thing, no one has seen this year's ballot yet, so it's not clear how many people you can vote for this time.

It is interesting the Rock Hall didn't release a set number of inductees. Leaves them quite a bit of wiggle room when choosing the lineup.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 21:28pm


Another Year and another bullcrap list of nominees of the list this year there are very few who actually deserve inclusion

Alice Cooper,Bon Jovi Dr.John,Donovan,Tom Waits,and Neil Diamond.


Its about freaking time that Cooper gets some recognition tney better induct him this time.

Bon Jovi-I don't give a crap what anyone says Bon Jovi is so deserving of the honor they are one of the biggest selling most sucessful american rock bands in history. They were one of the few bands(def leppard being the other) that survived a trend that died a horrible death in the early 90's and continue to this day to have hit singles and albums and sold out world tours.

I hate Neil Diamond's music but he is worthy he was mega sucessful in his day had a lot of hits.


But on another note this years ballot just proves one more thing correct that the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame is Crap!!!!

think about the people who got in the last several years

How the hell does Madonna,Prince,and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five get in but Journey,Foreigner,Styx,Stevie Ray Vaughn, Alice Cooper,Judas Priest,KISS,and Def Leppard not get in????

Chic doesn't deserve inclusion either.

Posted by Nick Devenney on Thursday, 09.30.10 @ 00:03am


Nick Devenney - You don't think that Prince is Hall of Fame worthy? I would love to see your stand up routine, it must be hilarious! He has more talent in his little toe than Styx, Foreigner and Bon Jovi combined. Also most Hip-Hop acts and Madonna “rock” harder then those three acts as well. I would agree that the Hall of Fame has a serious Heavy Metal/Hard Rock problem and KISS, Alice Cooper, Judas Priest, Motörhead, and Iron Maiden should all have already been inducted along with many Prog Rock bands. Also the fact that SRV has yet to be nominated is baffling considering Rolling Stone loves him and he and Clapton were tight. I would also say that Disco has almost no recognition in the Hall other than the Bee Gees, so Chic and Donna Summer would definitely help that situation.

Here is my order of preference:

1. Alice Cooper
2. Beastie Boys
3. Neil Diamond
4. Donna Summer
5. LL Cool J
6. Tom Waits
7. Darlene Love
8. Chic
9. Joe Tex
10. Donovan
11. Dr. John
12. Chuck Willis
13. Bon Jovi
14. The J. Geils Band
15. Laura Nyro

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 09.30.10 @ 00:52am


imo

as time goes by rap will be dominant over rock, rock (all genre) and blues artist from the past will be forgotten. how pity.

Posted by akeem on Thursday, 09.30.10 @ 03:12am


My order of preference:

1. Neil Diamond
2. Tom Waits
3. Alice Cooper
4. Darlene Love
5. Beastie Boys
6. Donovan
7. Chuck Willis
8. Donna Summer
9. Dr. John
10. Chic
11. LL Cool J
12. The J. Geils Band
13. Joe Tex
14. Bon Jovi
15. Laura Nyro

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 09.30.10 @ 08:33am


Though unlikely I wouldn't be upset if Laura Nyro got in as a Non-performer and Dr. John got in as a sideman

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 09.30.10 @ 08:35am


Hard Rock acts haven't fared well on their first ballot. See Kiss. Alice Cooper and Bon Jovi might have to wait a few more years.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Thursday, 09.30.10 @ 10:44am


Alright, my analysis on the chances of each artist.

Neil Diamond
With several pop icons in the Hall, there's more than enough reason for Neil Diamond to have a legitimate shot, age-wise he should pick up plenty of support among the voters. He's been waiting for a long time for his first nomination which usually doesn't mean much but in this case it might be enough to get him in on first nomination.

Tom Waits
Easily the definition of cool, the Hall loves picks like Tom Waits, as they are very open-minded to singer-songwriters his chances are good and if he falls short it may just be due to the competition than anything else.

Alice Cooper
The harder rock edge is something the Hall often takes a long time to acknowledge. Kiss was nominated for the first time last year and failed to get as well as failed to get nominated again this year, Black Sabbath took multiple nominations to get in and let's not forget Deep Purple aren't too far off from going two decades without a nomination. Cooper would be a no-brainer for the so-called "rock purists" but with this committee I wouldn't be surprised if they pass over him (or the band, I'm not sure which they'll ultimately induct, if they do at all)

Darlene Love
Darlene Love is up yet again, the Hall loves R&B, the Hall tends to be relatively political correct with regards to inducting African American performers as well as woman and Darlene Love fits both so that bodes well. We'll see how it goes.

Beastie Boys
This time around we see two rap acts nominated, this may potentially be bad for both as rap supporters in the committee could get divided between the two and neither will get in, if it happens though, I'm almost certain the Beasties will get in either this year or next year (25th anniversary of Licensed to Ill)

Donovan
He's got a little bit of everything the Hall loves. If he doesn't get in it'll be due to the competition more than his credentials.

Chuck Willis
Similarly to years prior Bobby Womack and Jimmy Cliff, this year's left-field pick nobody could predict. Playing the R&B card Chuck Willis could have good shots but it may have to do with obscurity/people not familiar with him if he doesn't get in. Then again, Bobby Womack got in on his first nomination.

Donna Summer
The Queen of Disco is a recurring name to the nominee ballot. It's only a matter of time.

Dr. John
When I made a prediction several weeks ago on possible "left-field" picks, Dr. John was a name I brought up and I'm not surprised he got picked. Please refer to portions of my Chuck Willis discussion.

Chic
Currently the most nominated name without being inducted, Chic have big rivals this year with another Disco giant Donna Summer. If one of the two get in I won't be surprised, I will be less surprised if neither get in, if both get in I will completely surprised.

LL Cool J
It's unlikely two rap acts will get in in a single year (especially if there's only 5 nominees) so I wouldn't expect LL Cool J to get in over the Beastie Boys. Unlikely but you never know.

The J. Geils Band
I big surprise for me as I think their credentials are borderline at best (even though I love them). This would indeed be a big surprise if it happens.

Joe Tex
More as a matter of bad timing than talent Tex is lumped together with similar musicians of the same era, some who are bigger names than him, unlikely but I'm sure at least one of the R&B acts nominated this year will be inducted.

Bon Jovi
Again a correct prediction of mine, If RHCP couldn't get in on their first nomination it's unlikely Bon Jovi will, unless of course the Hall are looking for ticket sales...

Laura Nyro
Back on the ballot so the Hall definitely likes her, I could see them pulling off a Wanda Jackson and putting her in a different category than she was nominated for (in her case, Non-Performer).

So to summarize:

Those Likely:

Neil Diamond (nostalgia factor!)
Tom Waits (singer-songwriter!)
Alice Cooper (Rock and Roll!)
Darlene Love (R&B!)
Beastie Boys (Rap/crossover!)
Donna Summer (Disco/multiple prior nominations!)
Bon Jovi (Ticket sales!)

Those Unlikely:

Donovan
Chuck Willis
Dr. John
Chic
LL Cool J
The J. Geils Band
Joe Tex
Laura Nyro

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 09.30.10 @ 11:52am


"How the hell does Madonna,Prince,and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five get in but Journey,Foreigner,Styx,Stevie Ray Vaughn, Alice Cooper,Judas Priest,KISS,and Def Leppard not get in????

Chic doesn't deserve inclusion either."

You, sir, have lost all credibility. Allow me to walk you through the credentials of Prince, who for some absurd reason you would keep out?

Prince. As Gassman said, the man has more talent in his left pinkie than Styx and Foreigner have in their entire bodies. He plays his own piano, his own organ his own guitar (check out his performance at the Super Bowl [go Jets!] to see what an underrated axeman he is,) has an incredible vocal range and writes all his songs by himself (90% of them at least.) He was one of the first stars on MTV; only Michael Jackson (tell me why MJ should get in but Prince shouldn't in your opinion?) did more for getting black artists into MTV rotation (Prince>MJ.) "When Doves Cry" was the first funk and R&B track (since it's a bit of both) to not have a bass in it, and still managed to really funky and danceable. He's sold 80 million records worldwide, since you like success (that's far more than Styx, Foreigner, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Alice Cooper have sold by the way.) He's one of the most innovative artists of all time; if you can't hear that you must be deaf. He really pushed the envelope as far as sexual innuendos are concerned (I'll let AMG take over here: "Where other pop musicians suggested sex in lewd double-entendres, Prince left nothing to hide — before its release, no other rock or funk record was ever quite as explicit as Dirty Mind, with its gleeful tales of oral sex, threesomes, and even incest. Certainly, it opened the doors for countless sexually explicit albums, but to reduce its impact to mere profanity is too reductive — the music of Dirty Mind is as shocking as its graphic language, bending styles and breaking rules with little regard for fixed genres.") He's been cited as an influence by many funk, soul and hip-hop artists. All-Music again: "Few artists have created a body of work as rich and varied as Prince. During the '80s, he emerged as one of the most singular talents of the rock & roll era, capable of seamlessly tying together pop, funk, folk, and rock. Not only did he release a series of groundbreaking albums; he toured frequently, produced albums and wrote songs for many other artists, and recorded hundreds of songs that still lie unreleased in his vaults." Prince changed music; Styx and Foreigner didn't, and the only change Bon Jovi brought was MTV Unplugged.

I'll let someone else walk you through Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five, but once again they did change music where Styx and Foreigner didn't. Madonna is one of the most hotly debated artists on this site, so I'll let someone else explain her as well. Def Leppard's a toss-up. I agree with you that SRV, Priest, Alice and KISS should all be inducted, but defend their credentials instead of making stupid comments like the one I singled out.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 09.30.10 @ 13:18pm


"Where other pop musicians suggested sex in lewd double-entendres, Prince left nothing to hide ,before its release, no other rock or funk record was ever quite as explicit as Dirty Mind, with its gleeful tales of oral sex, threesomes, and even incest."

Ever since I saw his picture on the cover of Rolling Stone in September 1984, I kinda had an uneasy feeling about His Royal Badness. After reading the above now I know why. I don't care how musically talented the guy is, I can't look at him without worrying I'll catch some kind of sexually transmitted disease. He's a creep.

Posted by Arrow Man on Thursday, 09.30.10 @ 14:59pm


I feel that Bon Jovi and J. Geils Band are the biggest stretches on this ballot and have no business being in the Hall of Fame. The term "innovation" can not be associated with either.

My sentiment is confirmed by inductees to the Rock Hall Revisted/Projected polling here on this site.


2011 Nominees Inducted As Performers:

Alice Cooper - 1996
Donovan - 2000
Neil Diamond - 2009
Beastie Boys - 2012
Donna Summer - 2013
Tom Waits - 2013
LL Cool J - 2018



2011 Nominees Inducted In The Non-Performer Category:

Laura Nyro



2011 Nominees Inducted In The Sidemen Category:

Dr. John
Darlene Love & The Blossoms





Bon Jovi, J. Geils Band and Chic are the only three nominees this year to not be inducted in that project.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 09.30.10 @ 20:47pm


DEF LEPPARD, DEF LEPPARD, DEF LEPPARD WHEN, WHEN DEF LEPPARD inductees to the Rock Hall of Fame when

Posted by Edison on Friday, 10.1.10 @ 08:37am


Tom Waits
Beastie Boys
Alice Cooper
Donovan
Chic

Posted by Mr. M.r Mister from the land of Mr. Misters on Friday, 10.1.10 @ 08:51am


Roger Friedman is a musical moron, still peddling his tired, conservative and old white man type of rockism about disco and rap being seperate entities. Doesn't the old fool realize that the Beastie Boys USE GUITARS and have played and written rock songs? He should just give up and realize nobody cares what he has to say.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 10.1.10 @ 08:59am


"DEF LEPPARD, DEF LEPPARD, DEF LEPPARD WHEN, WHEN DEF LEPPARD inductees to the Rock Hall of Fame when"


Hopefully never.

Posted by JonJon on Friday, 10.1.10 @ 09:00am


One of the articles FRL gave a link to suggested that the Hall is running out of rock stars. Certainly not, I say. Megadeth (several Top Ten albums, a string of gold and platinum albums and arenas filled for a decade.) Pantera (see Megadeth, though in a shorter amount of time. Influenced many modern metal acts, and best of all, "Far Beyond Driven" the album got to #1 despite being uncompromisingly heavy and angry and despite little to no airplay.) Rush. KISS. Deep Purple (100 million records sold, same as KISS.) Iron Maiden (70 million records sold.) I could even accept Journey (75 million) in there. Motley Crue (50 million) and Def Leppard (60 million) should get in if Bon Jovi do, since they paved the way for their success. Thin Lizzy. Yes. Emerson Lake & Palmer. Judas Priest. The Cure (they had quite a string of success on the modern rock charts, some succesful tours and a few platinum albums.) The worthwile rock stars are there, it's just the Hall's unwilling to recognize them.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 10.1.10 @ 16:34pm


You can add T. Rex to that list as well.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 10.1.10 @ 16:34pm


FRL, while we don't know how many WILL get in, the article Jon Bream had does say they are allowed up to 8 picks. It seems unlikely that they'd stop at 5, but you're right, we don't know.

mrxyz... I don't give a flying bat's butt about sales, really. The only thing sales determine for me is which songs I'll find on the Greatest Hits anthology that I'll later buy on that artist. If Waits really did borrow from Dr. John, then imo, it's to his credit that he took the voodoo out of it. Again, the cajun sound just not my thing. Other than "Right Place, Wrong Time," he really has no signature songs (indicating low impact) and that I've never heard anyone claim him as an influence (much less anyone I like claiming him), that's how my mind works. Waits may not have much for "signature songs" either, but he's considered a major and groundbreaking influence in what eventually became college rock, and his albums are still widely played in college rock.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.1.10 @ 22:50pm


Check that, I do care somewhat about sales. But I don't necessarily buy into any "he's selling, gotta buy him too!" mindset that you've accused me of.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.1.10 @ 22:52pm


Philip.. Dr John was way more than his top 40's hits..That was all about paper for the most part.. Rather than talking about what you don't know... Learn... Your a smart person.... stay that way.. I would get a few LPS and groove to him then Waits .. kinda 2 birds of the same feather,,,...I normally talk about what I know .. You are following the hype?? {Sometimes}............ Don't get fooled.. Rather than arguing with me enjoy my stories.. I won't be here forever..
"this is know race" All good things

Posted by mrxyxomg on Friday, 10.1.10 @ 23:07pm


I think being still being widely played on college radio (I know because I was a part of that) and being frequently cited is not exactly hype.

As for Dr. John, I would but what I've already heard doesn't encourage further research. I really should, but what I've checked out so far is just irritating. We'll see.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.1.10 @ 23:12pm


Well if you like the Beach Boys then the Doc is IN..LOL LOL His work,,, the "non commercial" sounds lots like Waits only ears before I mean years..
OMG its "Coast to Coast" time Good night and love to ALL

Posted by mrxyxomg on Friday, 10.1.10 @ 23:20pm


"Well if you like the Beach Boys then the Doc is IN..LOL LOL "--mrxyz

WTF? I'm sure that makes sense in your head, but holy hell, give us non-psychics a break.

Go enjoy Coast To Coast, I'm sure you identify strongly with the call-in listeners.

But if I actually listened to EVERY Dr. John song off every album and decide I STILL don't like his music, and don't think Waits sounds all that much like him, will you at least respect the fact that I've done the research but came to a different conclusion, or will I be just "following the hype" because I don't agree with you?

That's what I thought.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.1.10 @ 23:29pm


ut if I actually listened to EVERY Dr. John song off every album and decide I STILL don't like his music, and don't think Waits sounds all that much like him, will you at least respect the fact that I've done the research but came to a different conclusion, or will I be just "following the hype" because I don't agree with you?

That's what I thought.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.1.10 @ 23:29pm

But since you have not listen to much of the Dr you are buying the hype....I like Waits he sounds a lot like the Dr.....and had his own spin not bad from a boy from Pomona Ca,,,,Well so much for your theory of first with the most as in DD
Yes I am seeing a pattern from you...It is safer that way or so the flock things


This is no race

Posted by mrxyzomg on Saturday, 10.2.10 @ 06:21am


1. You didn't answer my question. You just danced around it.

2. I have no idea what you're calling my "theory". I said Waits is recognized as an icon of the underground and indie-label rock scenes, because he is. The only "theory" I have is that since he's the only icon of the indie/underground scene, as it became a viable movement in the 80's, the ballot's not split against him by another such figure, like the Replacements or the Jam. Now, if voters decide we need both disco acts and both rap acts, then yes, that'll ruin Waits' chances. Tom Waits isn't my favorite artist of the bunch, and isn't who I would say is the most deserving. I simply think he's the most likely to make it because the ballot's not divided against him in that sense (except possibly in the singer/songwriter category... now THAT may hurt him)

3. Being cited as an influence is not "hype." I have no idea what hype you think I'm buying into.

4. How does Waits sound like the Dr.? Guitar-styles? Rhythms? Singing, they certainly do not. They both have some static in their voice, but Waits is gravelly, whereas Dr. John is strep-throatedly.

5. I too am seeing a pattern from you. You go with those who you like or have had the pleasure of working with, thinking that's the most important criterion. You're also a troll, plain and simple. Get a life.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.2.10 @ 13:35pm


Philip.
I have lots of respect in many of your opinions.; Calling me names{troll} is not very nice.. I think that in itself proves my point,,If you can't explain it ,name calling is second best..?I will admit you have admitted you know very little of Dr Johns music and other acts,,, It may be best if you don't know not to give an opinion learn from others that do know, or go find out{All is best}I hope you reconsider your opinions of me, Dr John and yourself...
All good things

Posted by mrxyzomg on Saturday, 10.2.10 @ 20:05pm


I called you a troll because after I had explained myself a few times, you still insisted on stirring the pot, even going so far as to dredge up an old comment for the purpose of needling me, something you did to Gitarzan in the past too. That's what trolling is, in Internet speak.

Now, I have taken it upon myself to actually YouTube a few Dr. John songs. My opinion: he's better than I originally gave him credit for, BUT you can't tell that from listening to his records, you have to see him live to know that. IMO, this has the chance of either really helping his chances or severely hurting them. The ability to sound great live shows the mark of a high-quality musician (see Buddy Guy). However, if people can't tell you are a good musician from the records alone, they won't come to see you live. This is a major point of contention for me, since I grew up out in the country, where NO ONE ever came out to play live, not even country artists. All we had WAS the radio reception of stations about 45 minutes away. The records matter more for me than the ability to perform live, and his records just don't appeal to me.

I tried a few of the Zu Zu tracks, some Lower 911... it's hard to find studio tracks on YouTube... mostly live clips. What I heard just didn't impress me, chiefly, as I've stated before because I don't care for the hoodoo sound. Just not my thing. Doesn't mean I'm buying into hype, it's just not what I like... although "Where Y'at, Mule?" was a nice fusion with blues.

In the end though, he still wouldn't make my eight choices. There are just eight artists on here that I either like a lot better ("unquestionable musical excellence" as defined by me) than the Night Tripper, or they're just too important to ignore, imo (e.g. Donna Summer).

I'm also not getting where you think Waits lifted from Dr. John. Dr. John's sound is funky. Waits doesn't strike me as that funky... can you enumerate a couple specific Tom Waits songs where you think he's borrowing from Dr. John?

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.2.10 @ 20:33pm


'm also not getting where you think Waits lifted from Dr. John. Dr. John's sound is funky. Waits doesn't strike me as that funky... can you enumerate a couple specific Tom Waits songs where you think he's borrowing from Dr. John?

Dr John came out years before Waits even kinda had a hit.... It is Timeline ..the Dr was that pocket. Yeah Waits went other ways but Waits roots as the LA times and me and other have stated "are deep in the DR.."
It seems even after I show you other peoples opinions .If I say it, it does do hold water.. Kinda Like Moon , Blaine,Van Halen about the Surfairs or Carmine about d Nelson... LOL Even when others say it .. it,, your pattern is clear..You have little respect on my opinions /facts.. I can see why you call me a troll.. You don't like other views, specially when it is back up by others..I still have hope in you LOL
All you need is EARS
Enjoy

Posted by mrxyxomg on Saturday, 10.2.10 @ 21:11pm


So, because Dr. John came before Tom Waits, that automatically makes him a major influence on him? Again, if it's critics who are saying it, that's hype. Actually researching, Waits lists his influences as Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Bob Dylan, Satchmo, Howlin' Wolf... no mention of Dr. John, or Leonard Cohen for that matter, so I guess I'm wrong there.

I don't doubt what you say about Carmine and Nelson... I just say it's of menial importance, or at least not as important as it would be if Carmine were an actual Hall of Famer. Blaine? Fine. Score one in favor of the Surfaris. That's one. Van Halen and Moon may have liked playing "Wipe Out"'s drum solo, but that does NOT mean the Surfaris were a major influence on them. Moon actually NAMES out other drummers as influences. To actually name names means more than saying there were influences of surf (a genre, not necessarily meaning one particular band or musician).

I called you a troll because you have been trolling me. You've engaged in the act of trolling. What should I call you, a gnome? I respect other views, but not when you state it in incoherent ramblings with atrocious grammar and punctuation, skirt direct questions (you still can't name a song where Tom Waits sounds like Dr. John... if you know what you know, you could name one), and accentuate your statements with inflammatory statements that attempt to set you on a higher tier of human being than those you're discussing with.

You're just as dismissive as you make me out to be. Just because you were there when it happened doesn't mean your account is 100% accurate.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.2.10 @ 21:26pm


ou're just as dismissive as you make me out to be. Just because you were there when it happened doesn't mean your account is 100% accurate.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.2.10 @ 21:26pm

No nothing is 100%,, But when it is backed up by others It has a high probability..there is nothing inflammatory I have said to you I would say you calling me a "troll" is close to it.LOl
I would point out songs Waits sounds like the Dr but I have done that with other artist and you don't hear it .. Rather than arguing with me enjoy what I have to say.. I find much of what you say on other acts quite informative. I take much of what you say {rambling included}with out channeling you. .I normally add a supplement when I think I know it to be otherwise,.I do believe one day you will see the light..{smile}
I am getting ready for Coast to Coast.. It is fun to learn about things I don't know sometimes I already know it and it is fun to hear others talk about it.... I don't always believe what is said but I like to hear other views with a open head an mind....
Good Night{Smile}

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 10.2.10 @ 21:49pm


Regardless of the past, I would still like to know what songs you think Waits sounds like Dr. John, and why if possible, if for no other reason than to understand your line of reasoning. I'm sorry you think I ramble, as I usually try to stick to talking points, but I would say that before you post your supplement, it might be a good idea to look it up and double check before you post it. I may not have been there, but I ain't wet behind the ears either.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.2.10 @ 22:20pm


I would also appreciate any perspective anyone else on here could give on the discussion. I know it's a lot to wade through, but someone else's perspective would be pretty useful.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.2.10 @ 22:22pm


egardless of the past, I would still like to know what songs you think Waits sounds like Dr. John, and why if possible, if for no other reason than to understand your line of reasoning. I'm sorry you think I ramble, as I usually try to stick to talking points, but I would say that before you post your supplement, it might be a good idea to look it up and double check before you post it. I may not have been there, but I ain't wet behind the ears either.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.2.10 @ 22:20pm


I don't have spell check I am sorry my grammar is weak.. I joined rock bands in the teen age years and just did not do much schoolin...I am a musician/artist not a writer.. As far as Songs

Waits/DR John.. If you can't hear it you can't ...Find it yourself,,,,,,{it is hard to miss..} like the music writer from the LA Times....{SMILE}

I must be on my way!!!!

Posted by mrxyzomg on Saturday, 10.2.10 @ 22:31pm


"Waits/DR John.. If you can't hear it you can't ...Find it yourself,,,,,,{it is hard to miss..} like the music writer from the LA Times....{SMILE} "--mrxyz

Yeah, thanks for nothing. Frankly, I think the LA Times writer meant that the same people who listen to Tom Waits also listen to Dr. John, but it could mean what you make it out to mean, too. I've done some wading... I can't afford to actually go out and buy every album by both artists, so you're gonna have to help a brother out, and point out which songs I should be researching.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.2.10 @ 22:40pm


For those who complain "this prog/hard rock/etc. group isnt in", this may be the decade where some of those snubs get rectified.

Why? Inductees have votes in the committee.

Think about it. When Metallica became inductees,
James Hetfield most likely pushed for KISS's nomination, and if the hall lets Alice in this year (which they probably will), that gives Alice Cooper (the band) votes, which means he will push for artists they want, and if KISS get inducted, that means they may push for Deep Purple or Rush, etc. I hope this doesn't sound like a conspiracy theory, but lets be honest, theres a good chance alot of these artists havent been nominated for fear that they would push for some of the acts the critics hate. This also extends to Bon Jovi, who may either push for some of their fellow mainstream rockers (Journey, Def Leppard etc.) or be douchebags and push for J. Geils. The fact that Inductees have votes is actually quite interesting when you think about it.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 10.3.10 @ 00:35am


Except, Jim, I don't know if any of these artists are actually ON the Nominating Committee. If they aren't, then they don't actually have a vote, though they do have some sway with members of the committee.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.3.10 @ 00:49am


Whoops, looks like they're actually on the voting committee lol. (Just looked on this site) Regardless, an Alice or BJ induction may lead to even more hard rock inductees if they decide to sway nominators.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 10.3.10 @ 01:01am


"Think about it. When Metallica became inductees,
James Hetfield most likely pushed for KISS's nomination, and if the hall lets Alice in this year (which they probably will), that gives Alice Cooper (the band) votes, which means he will push for artists they want, and if KISS get inducted, that means they may push for Deep Purple or Rush, etc." - Jim

You might be right. James said during his induction speech that the following were in his Hall of Fame: Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy, KISS, Alice Cooper, Deep Purple, Rush and Ted Nugent. He's also mentioned some of these names in interviews since. Lars mentioned Purple as his #1 omission, James Motorhead, Kirk said Rush and Rob said UFO. Now, I'm not sure about Ted, but I believe the rest to be highly deserving (UFO are kind of a toss-up but I would have no problem with them being inducted.) Lars was asked during the press conference about The Stooges being passed over by the 500 voters yet again. His response was basically that he was surprised they didn't get in, as he figured they would be a shoo-in, and that he hoped they would get in soon. The following year The Stooges finally got in and KISS was nominated for the first time. Now, Alice has finally been nominated, in the same way that Patti Smith was eventually inducted two years after U2 name-dropped her at their induction. Since the inductions of U2 and Metallica, two omissions they mentioned have been inducted (and it could become three.) However, there are drawbacks. Rush, Ted Nugent, Motorhead, Priest, Thin Lizzy and (I think) UFO have still not been considered, while Maiden and Deep Purple have still failed to make the ballot. U2 also said that Television and Roxy Music were in their Hall of Fame, and both have still not been nominated. Keep an eye on Alice Cooper and Bon Jovi. Alice himself has been very outspoken about being passed over all these years, so he could very well not show up. If he does, he may push some of the bands he plays on his radio show (yes, that includes KISS, Deep Purple and some prog bands, and also some garage bands.) Neither he or Bon Jovi have commented on being nominated (did Jon and Jann fall out or something?) but if Bon Jovi does show up as an entire band they may have their own seperate agendas. I hope they back KISS if they're inducted as they opened for KISS at one point, and similarly they signed with Motley Crue's management so backing for them would be similarly appreciated. I imagine Jon will push J. Geils (if they fail to make it, that is.) We'll see.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 10.3.10 @ 02:43am


For the sake of what little creditability this Hall has that Bon Jovi are not inducted this year because it kills the premise of influence, innovation and perpetuation of the artform. There are several bands that came out before BJ and did more for the genre that they are associated with; i.e., Def Leppard & Motley Crue.

The continued argument regarding the Alice Cooper Band and Deep Purple will forever remain as long as this Hall does not induct either of them. As I say - Hall of Shame wothout these two bands.

And one last time, they inducted The Stooges, now is the time to get the NY Dolls in. A major influence in three specific sub-genres of Rock.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 10.3.10 @ 05:29am


If New York Dolls and MC5 get in that would be enough protopunk.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 10.3.10 @ 07:50am


All entirely accurate points, Dameon. Other punk bands required aside from the NY Dolls:

-MC5 (tremendous influence on the whole thing; Iggy says The Stooges wouldn't have existed without them)
-The Damned (first UK punk band)
-The Runaways (got the chicks involved)
-Television (smart man's punk, apparently changed how guitars were played in punk)
-Wire (UK art-punk equivalent of Television)
-The Buzzcocks (first Manchester indie band; without them Joy Division, The Smiths and co. wouldn't have had a platform to stand on.) Oh God I forgot some names, sorry:
-Black Flag (hardcore kings, and also a major influence on some grunge and metal bands. Greg Ginn was much more ambitious than his peers.)
-The Dead Kennedys (another one of the definitive hardcore bands)
-Bad Brains (another definitive hardcore band, introduced reggae and technical ability to the mix)

If we include post-punk: The Cure, Gang of Four, Joy Division, New Order (all right they only had that sound for the first album but they shared the same artistic spirit and integrity,) The Smiths (had elements of the sound) and Siouxsie & the Banshees all need to be in. Echo & the Bunnymen and Bauhaus are pet-peeves of mine. Speaking of the Manchester scene (JD/NO and The Smiths) I noticed they failed to consider The Stone Roses or Happy Mondays. Sad but not surprising.

I fully agree on Bon Jovi. If they and/or the J. Geils Band make it in before Alice Cooper I'll be very annoyed, because the 500 voters would be going against the Hall's principles. The Hall regained some credibility with the out-of-nowhere induction of Genesis and finally getting The Stooges across the finish line but they would lose that credibility and then some if the above scenario happened.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 10.3.10 @ 11:38am


what principles does this hall have? honestly i think they lost all crediblity when they inducted grand master flash(i think that was the band,correct me if i am wrong )instead of inducting the dave clark five who had more points than grandmaster flash but cut dave clark five because they wanted a rap group in there.lets not forget inducting john melloncamp, bon jovi may back up kiss because kiss and bon jovi are good friends.

Posted by icebox on Sunday, 10.3.10 @ 12:03pm


Rap is Rock, at least it was in it's earliest forms. The turntable techniques pioneered by Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five were an influence on Tom Morello for God's sake. Oh, and man Public Enemy rock so much harder than Bachman-Turner Overdrive it's not even funny. The votes for The Dave Clark Five came in after the deadline. Unfortunate? Maybe, but rules are rules. The real travesty there was The Stooges being passed over... again. Fortunately that mistake was just rectified. It's the OMISSIONS that have sapped most of the Hall's credibility, and if there was any worst inductee it would be Percy Sledge.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 10.3.10 @ 13:37pm


Yeah Sam, but the DC5 votes were postmarked before the deadline... it was the fault of the mail service that the ballots didn't arrive on time. That's where the controversy comes in. Even national elections allow late-arriving ballots if they're postmarked before the deadline.

IMO, Madonna's the worst inductee (in terms of merit), but I know what a hot topic that is even among us, so I'll just say Percy Sledge is a close second.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.3.10 @ 13:42pm


Neil Diamond
Should be the favorite here. The problem is the selectioneers have tended not to like him. Now he is up for nomination so we will see how it goes. His problem is all those ballads, some don't consider him rock and roll enough. If you listen to his early material you will see this is wrong. And in his concerts he loves the up tempo stuff. He is a singer-song writer who has influenced many people in different categories. The pure volume of his Catalogue has little competition. His Concert sales still go thru the roof. His longevity is rivaled by few. Critics are finally giving him a break since he hooked up with Rick Rubin on the last two albums . None of the artists nominated can come close to his achievements. The Jewish Elvis mixed with shades of Pete Seeger. Nuff Said.

Donna Summer - Queen of Disco. No Discussion.

Beastie Boys - Allowed White people to accept rap. Allowed Hard Rock to add rap to the genre . Changed the way that the next generations views rap.

Alice Cooper- Pure Theater and great fun with hard rock. Black Sabbath, Kiss, and Glam Rock became more accepted because of him. His influence to others places him above some of the other nominees.

The last selection is up for grabs for me. Tom Waits, Donovan, Bon Jovi. All good! Darlene Love, Chic and Joe Tex should be in at some point.


Posted by jt6pack on Sunday, 10.3.10 @ 15:57pm


Everybody, everybody, everybody. . .

I'm the only one here who predicted there would be 15 nominees on the ballot. Mind you, I only got four of them right, but I still got the number right. You want to hear how I came up with that predication? Because I read right here on Future Rock Legends Terry Stewart saying that artists who got 50% of the vote will be inducted. Before this year, it was the top five vote-getters. 50% goes back to when the ballots were 15 or more, and it works better with 15 or more nominees.

So, why do I bring that up? Because all of you are still sticking with the 5 top vote-getters rule from the last four years. No, listen to Terry Stewart. He said, anybody who gets 50% of the vote will be inducted. That works out to be anywhere from 5 to 8 nominees may be inducted this year.

So, go on, guess five. That's the safe bet. You know there will be at least five. But we could have more this year.

Also, when you make your predictions, remember the composition of the voting pool. Of the 500-600 voters, two-thirds of them are living current inductees, the other third being critics. So, you need to think in terms of who Paul McCartney, Eric Clapton, Robbie Robertson, Paul Simon, Bonnie Raitt, James Hetfield, Neil Young, etc., are going to vote for.

I'm jumping out on a limb and say that 8 nominees will be inducted this year. Based on those that inductees seem to like, I feel they will be:
Bon Jovi
Chic
Alice Cooper
Donovan
Neil Diamond
Dr. John
Tom Waits
Chuck Willis

Posted by Charles Crossley, Jr. on Sunday, 10.3.10 @ 21:07pm


Good call on the 15 Charles. Now that I take a second look at Terry Stewart's piece/reply, I'm being hopeful for more than 5 this year.

One caveat though, you think no women will be inducted this year?

My predictions:
Neil Diamond (the more I think about it the more I think he is a lock)
Tom Waits
Alice Cooper
The Beastie Boys
Donna Summer

6th: Donovan
7th: Chuck Willis (who I think they could slip in Early Influences if he doesn't make it)

Posted by Matt Love on Monday, 10.4.10 @ 06:19am


Sam - First I agree with you on most of the bands you named. For me, The Damned, Television and the Runaways were very important to RnR.

As for the Hall and this years nominees, this election is about one artist more than any of the others. And I mean no disrespect to any of the nominees, but there is but one legend among them and that is the Alice Cooper Band.

One can intellectualize all they want about this band or that band, but the AC Band made a statement that was heard world wide. And for that, there is no argument. Billion Dollar Babies is one of the most important albums of my generation and several generations that followed. Release that album now and I bet kids would jump all over it. Almost 40 years later and School's Out is still an anthem for so many kids between 13 - 17. The thing that separates Alice is "the Song". They understood that attitude and angst was good, but if you don't have the song, you have nothing. I know that they were the poster on my wall when I was 13.

As for Alice, the personna - if he didn't help perpetuate Rock and Roll as an artform, then I do not know who did.

As for what is to follow over the years - there are so many snubs (pre-punk) still out there that it is ridiculous: NY Dolls, Deep Purple, King Crimson, ELP, YES. If and when they get in, then I may think this museum has some merit. The Stooges were big and I am hopeful that Genesis means that Prog will be looked at even more. Alice is a good follow up but I want to see more.

And no to Bon Jovi - they weren't even the best of their own genre. Hell, they are not even in the top 10 of their own genre.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 10.4.10 @ 15:23pm


Dameon - You nailed it perfectly. I have nothing more to add, except that T. Rex should be inducted. Well done.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 10.4.10 @ 17:03pm


Agreed Sam. Cheap Trick is on my personal list as well. But I didn't want to drag it out. Forgetting about my own personal feelings, the list I gave is just based on the bands accomplishments and what the stated criteria for the Hall is.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 10.4.10 @ 18:31pm


The could be 7 or 8 inductees in 2011.

I'm kind of hoping that Bon Jovi and the Beastie Boys get inducted in 2011 just so the Rock Hall can get it out of their system and go back to more important things like inducting more artists from the 50s, 60s and 70s. There aren't that many more artists from the 80s the Rock Hall really really likes. The list includes Guns 'n' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson and Whitney Houston. They already inducted R.E.M, U2, Van Halen and Madonna. There's not much left.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.4.10 @ 18:43pm


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By Andy Greene
Sep 28, 2010 10:30 AM EDT

Later this morning, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will announce their 2011 ballot. Rolling Stone can confirm that it includes first-time nominees Bon Jovi, Alice Cooper, Tom Waits, Donovan and Neil Diamond, plus previously nominated acts LL Cool J, J. Geils Band, Beastie Boys, Donna Summer, Chic, Dr. John, Laura Nyro, Joe Tex, Darlene Love and Chuck Willis. Artists must have released their first single in 1985 or earlier to be eligible in 2011. The top vote-getters will be announced in December, and formally inducted on March 14th 2011 at the Waldorf Astoria in New York City.

See the 2011 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction nominees

Neil Diamond and Alice Cooper have both been eligible for over fifteen years — and only Rush and KISS fans have been more outspoken about the exclusion of their favorite band. “I think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should be calling me,” Cooper said in 2002. “I think I'm being blackballed. But it's great to be the Pete Rose of rock and roll.” Last year the Hall of Fame inducted other the long-overlooked acts Genesis, the Stooges, the Hollies, Jimmy Cliff and ABBA.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.4.10 @ 18:56pm



To Charles: thanks. I didn't read the Terry Stewart article, because I figured he wasn't saying anything new, that we hadn't already heard a multitude of times. Although five is still possible... there were fifteen and sixteen nominees for 2005 and 2006 and they still only inducted five those years. So it's still an all-too-real possibility.

That said, the change back to 50%, with fifteen nominees... coupled with the fact that four of the nominees were on last year's ballot... I can't help but wonder if those four were too close behind for some people's comforts last year, thus necessitating, in their minds, the need to go back to a 50% ballot. I've had to re-evaluate my predictions, now.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10.5.10 @ 13:10pm


"I'm kind of hoping that Bon Jovi and the Beastie Boys get inducted in 2011 just so the Rock Hall can get it out of their system and go back to more important things like inducting more artists from the 50s, 60s and 70s. There aren't that many more artists from the 80s the Rock Hall really really likes. The list includes Guns 'n' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson and Whitney Houston." - Roy

50's: Link Wray and Johnny Burnette & the Rock 'n' Roll Trio. That's it for me. 60's and 70's: Quite a few, and Dameon and I discussed some of them (good call with Cheap Trick,) so all I'll say is that one of the incorrect omissions here is The Zombies, the final British Invasion band that needs inducting. 80's: Guns are going in right away. RHCP will definitely get in at some point. Def Leppard probably will, and probably's for The Cure, Jane's Addiction and Depeche Mode. The Replacements I think made enough commercial impact to have a legitimate shot, same with the Pixies. Sonic Youth, Husker Du, Black Flag, The Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains and their UK contemporaries: Some of these may get a chance at some point (only a couple of the UK ones will have any chance,) but most of them will have a tough time. SRV will probably get in. What the Hall likes from the 80's and what they should induct from the 80's are seperate universes. I'll post a full snubs queue after the inductions.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 10.5.10 @ 16:54pm


My Predications the 2011 Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees to be inducted

Beastie Boys
Bon Jovi
Alice Cooper
Neil Diamond
LL Cool J
Laura Nyro
Donna Summer
Tom Waits

Early Infulunces
Chuck Willis

Non-Performers
Quincy Jones

Sidemen
The Funk Brothers

My Predications for Next Year Nominees for 2012 Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame

Cheap Trick
Chic
Donovan
Dr. John
Peter Gabriel
J. Geils Band
Kiss
Darlene Love
Loggins & Messina
The Marvelettes
MC5
Moody Blues
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Soundgarden
Joe Tex
Steve Winwood

Posted by Dan Windler on Tuesday, 10.5.10 @ 21:12pm


To Matt Love.
What do you mean "no women"? There's three of them in my selection of Chic. Besides, there have been a number of years where no women were inducted - 2001 had none, 2003 had none, and 2004 had none.

As to Philip, why are you looking at the Rockhall.com announcement of nominees when I told you I got that 50% of the vote rule from what Terry Stewart said as posted here at Future Rock Legends (http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog_files/Terry_Stewart_explains_the_process.html)? Seriously, you need to read the stuff posted on this website once in awhile, you know? . . . ;)

To point you to the exact quote: "Those receiving the highest number of votes and more than 50% of the votes cast are inducted into the Hall. Usually, this means five to seven new performing members each year."

Posted by Charles Crossley, Jr. on Tuesday, 10.5.10 @ 22:01pm


Phillip, my apologies. After I posted that, I skimmed through all the articles and saw the one where you went back and re-read the Terry Stewart article. Glad you caught yourself.

Posted by Charles Crossley, Jr. on Tuesday, 10.5.10 @ 22:06pm


"To Matt Love.
What do you mean "no women"? There's three of them in my selection of Chic. Besides, there have been a number of years where no women were inducted - 2001 had none, 2003 had none, and 2004 had none."

Yikes. My apologies, the Chic women didn't seem to register in my mind at first readthrough.

Posted by Matt Love on Wednesday, 10.6.10 @ 03:18am


From the 50s, from even before I was born. Here are some great artists, all of which are contemporaries of many of the inductees, all of which had a great impact on rock & roll, some have been unjustly obscured by time, some also had success in other decades, and all, I submit, are deserving. I'll just tick off 20:

Johnny Burnette Rock 'N' Roll Trio
Big Mama Thornton
Billy Ward & His Dominoes*
Link Wray
Esther Phillips a.k.a. Little Esther*
Johnny Ace*
Roy Brown
Sonny Boy Williamson
Rufus Thomas
Chuck Willis*
Albert King
The Clovers
The "5" Royales*
Junior Parker
Percy Mayfield
Huey "Piano" Smith & the Clowns
Patsy Cline
Jerry Butler**
The Chantels*
Junior Wells

*Previously nominated.
**Previously inducted as a member of the Impressions.

Please check them out, don't dismiss them and keep on digging like I did.

Posted by Charles Crossley, Jr. on Wednesday, 10.6.10 @ 04:06am


So there's 33 more artists that were previously nominated but not yet inducted.

Ben E. King- 1986, 1987 and 1988
Chuck Willis- 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990 and 2011*
Esther Phillips- 1986 and 1987
Johnny Ace- 1986 and 1987
Mary Wells- 1986 and 1987
Carole King- 1989
The Meters- 1997
The Dominoes- 1997
Joe Tex- 1998, 2006, 2007 and 2011*
Darlene Love- 1999, 2010 and 2011*
Lou Reed- 2000 and 2001
New York Dolls- 2001
The "5" Royales- 2002 and 2004
The Chantels- 2002 and 2010
Gram Parsons- 2002, 2004 and 2005
Chic- 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2011*
Kraftwerk- 2003
MC5- 2003
Steve Winwood- 2003
Conway Twitty- 2005
The J. Geils Band- 2005, 2006 and 2011*
Randy Newman- 2005
Cat Stevens- 2006
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band- 2006
The Sir Douglas Quintet- 2006
Afrika Bambaataa- 2008
Beastie Boys- 2008 and 2011*
Donna Summer- 2008, 2010 and 2011*
War- 2009
KISS- 2010
Laura Nyro- 2010 and 2011*
LL Cool J- 2010 and 2011*
Red Hot Chili Peppers- 2010

Chuck Willis and Chic tied for the number of nominations included this year.

*Currently nominated

Posted by akeem on Wednesday, 10.6.10 @ 05:44am


why wasn't stevie ray vaughn not voted in the hof this year or any year ?

Posted by mike riordan on Wednesday, 10.6.10 @ 12:22pm


http://www.cbc.ca/arts/music/story/2010/09/28/rock-hall-of-fame.html

CBC NEWS REPORTS THERE WILL BE 6 OR 7 INDUCTEES FOR 2011

Alice Cooper, Waits get Rock Hall of Fame nods
Last Updated: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 | 1:56 PM ET
CBC News

Alice Cooper, right, and guitarist Damon Johnson at the Montreux Jazz Festival in July 2009, has been nominated for a place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. (Dominic Favre/Associated Press)

Theatrical rockers Alice Cooper and whisky-voiced singer-songwriter Tom Waits are among the acts nominated for induction in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2011.

On Tuesday, the Cleveland-based Hall of Fame released a list of 15 influential acts being considered for induction. From this list, it will choose six or seven for induction in a ceremony next March.

There were several newcomers to the list, among them:

Bon Jovi, the blue-collar New Jersey arena rockers led by Jon Bon Jovi known for hits such as Livin' on a Prayer and It's My Life.
Donovan, the British folk troubador whose Sunshine Superman was a harbinger of psychedelic music.
Dr. John, New Orleans R&B musician who has played with Allen Toussaint, B.B. King and others.
Alice Cooper, the heavy metal pioneers fronted by Vincent Furnier (a.k.a. Alice Cooper) who brought boa constrictors and fake blood to rock 'n' roll.
Neil Diamond, the singer-songwriter behind Sweet Caroline and Kentucky Woman whose career stretches back to the early 1960s.

Singer Tom Waits, shown performing June 17, 2008, in Phoenix, Ariz., has a unique style that combines blues and beat poetry. (Matt York/Associated Press)

Waits, a previous nominee not yet inducted, has written for countless other rock musicians, including Bruce Springsteen and Elvis Costello. His own unique style combines blues, jazz and beat poetry in hits such as Tom Traubert's Blues which borrows the chorus from Waltzing Matilda.

Other previous nominees:

Darlene Love, lead singer of the Blossoms, known for 1960s hits such as He's a Rebel and (Today I Met ) The Boy I'm Gonna Marry,who had a comeback in the 1980s after performing with U2.
LL Cool J, the early rapper known for I Need a Beat and I Want You.
Donna Summer, the disco queen and torch singer known for Bad Girls and On the Radio.
Beastie Boys, the Brooklyn, N.Y.-based hip-hop group known for its innovative style on Licensed to Ill and Check Your Head.
J. Geils Band, Boston rockers led by Jerome Geils and Peter Wolf, known for Centrefold and Love Stinks.
Chuck Willis, an earthy singer and songwriter from Atlanta, whose brand of blues influenced acts from Elvis Presley to Kanye West.
Chic, 1970s disco band known for Le Freak and Good Times.
Joe Tex, a southern soul singer of the 1950s and 1960s who died in 1982.
Laura Nyro, a Bronx-born songwriter who wrote a string of hits for artists such as Barbra Streisand, Fifth Dimension, Blood, Sweat and Tears and Three Dog Night.
The list of inductees will be released in December. To be eligible, candidates must have a career stretching back at least 25 years.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.8.10 @ 10:50am


http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/28/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-announced/?iref=allsearch

CNN


Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees announced

Alice Cooper, the Beastie Boys, Bon Jovi and LL Cool J were some of the big nominees announced this morning for induction into the 2011 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

The full list heralds other music stars like Chic, Neil Diamond, Donovan, Dr. John, J.Geils Band, Darlene Love, Laura Nyro, Donna Summer, Joe Tex, Tom Waits and Chuck Willis.

Cooper was thrilled with his nomination and told CNN, "We are honored to be nominated for induction in to the Hall. Anytime you are nominated in your chosen profession, it's definitely a compliment to be recognized."


According to Hall of Fame President and CEO Joel Peresman, the ballots are on their way to more than 500 voters. Peresman says, “We believe our nominating committee has put forth a list of artists that truly represent the wide variety of music that defines rock and roll.”

This year’s inductees will be announced in December and the 26th Annual Induction Ceremony will take place on March 14, 2011.

Did your favorite artist make the cut or did they join the list of the Hall of Fame's most shocking snubs? We're looking at you, Rush fans!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.8.10 @ 10:56am


CNN's List of Rock Hall Snubs

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/15/most-shocking-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-snubs/#comment-314425

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.8.10 @ 11:04am



2011 Rock Hall Nominees

Joe Tex - Dead
Chuck Willis - Dead
Laura Nyro - Dead
Chic - 2/6 Dead
Alice Cooper - 1/5 Dead

Darlene Love - Alive
Donna Summer - Alive
Tom Waits - Alive
Dr. John - Alive
Donovan - Alive
Neil Diamond - Alive
Beastie Boys - Alive
Bon Jovi - Alive
J. Geils Band - Alive
LL Cool J - Alive

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.8.10 @ 12:18pm


Roy, would it not be better to list Chic as 4/6 alive? Or rather 1/3 of the creative forces of Chic (Nile Rodgers) being alive. And I assume you mean to say that one of Alice Cooper's old bandmates passed away. You see, when Alice Cooper gets inducted, it will just be the man, not the band.

Since we are now aware that there may very well be 7 Performers inductess; we should first congradulate ourselves in attempting to bring the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation to their senses. Since our Revisited and Projected Rock Hall has 7 Performers inductees in every year, it should be obvious to the RRHOF that only having 5 inductees per year is rather short.

Yet again, here are whom I infer will be the 7 inductees in the Performers category:

Alice Cooper
Donovan
LL Cool J
Donna Summer
Tom Waits
Dr. John
Neil Diamond

Also, Doug Morris is certain to be a non-performer inductee. I am not certain whom else will be inducted in the added categories.

Posting on a day of slow news,

Lax27

Posted by Lax27 on Friday, 10.8.10 @ 16:44pm


Hey Lax

You obviously have not been reading all the bios from the Rock Hall. Go to the top and read the Alice Cooper bio. It has already been established that Alice Cooper the band is nominated and will be inducted eventually.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.8.10 @ 18:14pm


2011 Rock Hall Nominees

Joe Tex - Dead
Chuck Willis - Dead
Laura Nyro - Dead

Chic - 2/6 Dead
Alice Cooper - 1/5 Dead
Chic - 4/6 Alive
Alice Cooper - 4/5 Alive

Darlene Love - Alive
Donna Summer - Alive
Tom Waits - Alive
Dr. John - Alive
Donovan - Alive
Neil Diamond - Alive
Beastie Boys - Alive
Bon Jovi - Alive
J. Geils Band - Alive
LL Cool J - Alive

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.8.10 @ 18:19pm


I do appreciate your postings and suggestions, Roy. Let it be known, I know that Alice Cooper was a band before Alice Cooper became the known name of Vincent Furnier. I would obviously assume that not only Alice Cooper the person will be inducted; so too will the guys that made Alice Cooper the band. It does seem right.

Attempting to think of words that rhyme with Principles,

Lax27

Posted by Lax27 on Friday, 10.8.10 @ 19:14pm


We have a new Rock Hall poll which simulates the 2011 ballot. Vote for a maximum of eight artists, and any artist receiving over 50% of the vote be inducted. The previous poll was based on a fixed number of inductees and not an overall voting percentage (the way the Rock Hall operated over the last few years).

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/#2011_Poll

Previous poll results:
734 ballots
1. Alice Cooper 80%
2. Neil Diamond 69%
3. Beastie Boys 63%
4. Bon Jovi 56%
5. Tom Waits 48%
6. Donna Summer 36%
7. Donovan 29%
8. LL Cool J 29%
9. The J. Geils Band 22%
10. Dr. John 20%
11. Darlene Love 12%
12. Chic 12%
13. Laura Nyro 10%
14. Joe Tex 8%
15. Chuck Willis 7%

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Friday, 10.8.10 @ 22:09pm


i do not understand the omission of Johnny Maestro?Decades of hit records , changing styles to adjust to the times.Lead singer of one of the first (white ? doo wop) groups made up of a black girl,hispanic group mbrs and a white lead (the crests). How many doors do you think that opened? I can't help but wonder how many singers were inspired by this mans talent.hOW HE CAN BE LEFT OUT OF THE "HALL" is just uncomprehensible to me.

Posted by Dale Abbott on Saturday, 10.9.10 @ 22:17pm


how do we get the RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS UP THERE????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Posted by ComeBackJohn on Tuesday, 10.12.10 @ 04:39am


http://www.notinhalloffame.com/news.php?readmore=15

Once again the esteemed Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has come out with their nominees. The Hall makes the claim that this is their most diverse group of nominees ever, and with the field expanding to fifteen candidates it stands to reason. Once again, however, the nominations will stir up debate as eclectic as this group is; there can be no doubt that thousands will feel that many have been snubbed. With that said, we here at notinhalloffame will take a look at the nominees in order of our ranking.

#3 Alice Cooper

In our opinion, this is the most deserving nominee of this group, and easily the most snubbed in the past. This is Alice Cooper’s first nomination and considering that he is the father of “Shock Rock” and an icon of Hard Rock music he should have been inducted years ago. Really, this should be a no-brainer for the Hall as he is the truly the top “Rock Star” of the bunch.

#10 The Beastie Boys

Potentially, the “Rap” inductees of the class, the Beastie Boys have been a relevant band for a long time and have a lot of creditability within multiple genres. They have been nominated previously and this would be a great way to give an “urban” nomination to a group that won’t alienate the anti-rap masses. They have a much better shot than a lot of people think.

#26 Bon Jovi

Probably the most successful of all the nominees, Bon Jovi has been selling out arenas for over twenty years. They may not be the most critically loved of this group, but even their most fervent detractors will have a hard time arguing that this band is out of place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. This is their first nomination, and with their cache value, could be the only one they need.

#37 Neil Diamond

As one of the premier songwriters of his time, Neil Diamond is receiving his first ever nomination. He is one of the most covered artists ever, and though he has a little too much Adult Contemporary is his second half of his career for our liking, his popularity will endure long after he his gone. This however could be like KISS’s nomination last year, in that in may be a token one.

#49 Tom Waits

If the Hall goes for a uniqueness quotient for this year’s class, than Tom Waits should have an inside track. An easy argument is that if Leonard Cohen is in, than Waits who has many similar traits belongs in also. Cohen was too many a surprise inductee, as Waits could be this year. Those who follow Waits would feel that the accolade would be warranted.

#61 Donna Summer

This is the Queen of Disco’s third nomination in four years, and should she get in, it should be expected that it will result in a similar type of uproar that ABBA’s induction last year received. Donna Summer was a major star, and her induction would be an acceptance of Disco as a whole.

#78 Chic

Like Donna Summer, Chic is associated with Disco, but they were a self contained band that used R&B rhythms flawlessly. This is their sixth nomination, so it seems clear that there is a strong Hall contingent that wants to see them in. With Summer and Chic both nominated, it is possible though that they may cancel each other out.

#104 Donovan

Although many consider Donovan a weirdo, he is equally praised as a genius by others. Both camps may be right as the 60’s trippy Folk star is receiving his first nomination. Should the Hall look to go that far back for a 60’s star, we suspect that they will go a different route than Donovan.

#110 Joe Tex

Joe Tex is receiving his fourth nomination and this could be the year that the Soul star finally gets in. He was a great performer, but much of his music is not heard today and this could be the issue that has prevented him from getting inducted in the past.

#116 Chuck Willis

Although this is Chuck Willis’ 6th nomination, it is his first since 1990. Nothing has changed in the past twenty years, so it can easily be argued that his chances are not that strong. Willis died in 1958, and he does not have a lot of televised material that can reach new generations. Despite his talent, there will be little reaction from anyone if he is left out again.

#125 LL Cool J

With his second consecutive nomination in two years of eligibility, LL Cool J seems poised to enter the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame eventually. He was a Hip Hop Superstar with mainstream appeal, but how many listeners of only Classic Rock stations will critique the Hall should he get in?

#151 Laura Nyro

Receiving her second straight nomination, Laura Nyro may be the most respected on this list, but is the one who contains the least amount of public awareness. Despite this being her second nomination, she remains the darkhorse candidate of the “Songwriters” division of this group.

#173 Dr. John

Another intriguing candidate, Dr. John could be a nomination to celebrate the New Orleans sound. With that region enjoying renewed attention, it is possible that the celebration could continue with the “Night Tripper” getting in. With all due respect to Dr. John, this could be a case where he is from works heavily in his favor.

#259 The J. Geils Band

Surprisingly on their third nomination, the J. Geils Band has been a long time favorite of Jann Wenner. They broke up right when they finally broke out of the Northeast, but they still left behind a fun legacy of danceable Rock. Still, should the Hall go that route, they could probably go a better route.

#389 Darlene Love

Also on her third nomination, Darlene Love could get in based on the strength of her powerful voice and recognition of her genre has a whole. Still, there should be something iconic about Hall inductees, and Love falls well short on that category.



Based on our rankings it should be obvious which five we would pick of this group, and for that matter which five we would select in the first place. From what we know of the Hall, we suspect they will go with five form varying genres and that music fans will react negatively regardless of who is selected. If we have to guess who they will pick (and that is what we do) we think they will go….

The Beastie Boys
Bon Jovi
Chic
Tom Waits
Dr. John

What do you all think? Let us know here at notinhalloffame!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.12.10 @ 17:07pm


Anyone else notice that the poll on top of the front page has gotten really jacked the past few days, and J. Geils Band's totals keep rising while everyone else's and the average votes per ballot keep shrinking?

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.13.10 @ 00:01am


Nah, I figured that was happening. I noticed the average number of votes declining and figured it was clearly a fan push of a certain act, voting solely for that act. Looks like it was J. Geils Band...

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.13.10 @ 01:50am


Here's how I think it will end up going.....

Chuck Willis/Joe Tex - Marginal R&B performers that will cancel each other out.

Darlene Love/Donna Summer - Love is hurt by her limited credentials, Summer by the Disco factor. Both are black female singers and will slightly cancel each other out.

J. Geils Band - No chance in hell.






That leaves us with ten acts.


LL Cool J - Anybody considering to vote for this guy would be voting for The Beastie Boys in the first place, so that will probably hurt him. Plus, not a lot of rockers have much to say about the guy and he doesn't really have a defining album or set of songs that listeners continually go back and visit.




This leaves us with the following 9:

Alice Cooper
Beastie Boys
Bon Jovi
Chic
Donovan
Dr. John
Laura Nyro
Neil Diamond
Tom Waits


I can only see the inductees coming from the above list. 5-7 of those depending on the way the votes line up.

Alice Cooper is clearly the champion of the bunch with mainstream appeal, critic approved credentials, and a part of the classic era (60s/early 70s. None of the other 8 can say they have all three working for them. Neil Diamond is only hurt slightly by the cheese factor and should end up placing second. I'd bet money on both of these acts.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.14.10 @ 09:49am


Truthfully, the voting for this election will prove to be less interesting. Since they're clearly shooting for about seven inductees and it's pretty obvious that a full 1/3 of the nominees will be cannon fodder, there won't be any real surprises with this bunch.

Here's my tally on the three criteria I listed above

Alice Cooper - 3 (Mainstream, critics, classic era)
Neil Diamond - 2.5 (Mainstream, some critics, classic era)
Beastie Boys - 2 (Mainstream, critics)
Laura Nyro - 2 (Critics, classic era)
Dr. John - 2 (Critics, classic era)
Donovan - 1.5 (Semi-mainstream, classic)
Tom Waits - 1.5 (Critics, semi-classic era)
Chic - 1 (Sort of still in the mainstream, some critics)
Bon Jovi - 1 (Mainstream)


None of the other six acts are really in the mainstream line of thought of "rock gods" or "they should be in the Hall". They mostly come up short as well in the other two categories: having the backing of their credentials via plenty of critics and being of the classic rock era that Cleveland plays favorites towards (60's/70s).

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.14.10 @ 09:57am


"Yikes. My apologies, the Chic women didn't seem to register in my mind at first readthrough."--Matt Love

Matt, don't feel bad. If I had to guess, I'd say Chic's nomination has less to do with the women, and more with the gladhanding of former NomCom member Nile Rodgers.

Sadly, for Laura Nyro, I expect her to get shafted. Let's face it: none of the artists who had the major hits with her songs are in either. What gives us hope she'll get the votes?

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.15.10 @ 16:52pm


Should...

Beastie Boys
Dr. John
LL Cool J
Laura Nyro
Tom Waits

with apologies to Chic, Chuck Willis and Alice Cooper.

Will...

who knows.

Every year that Sonic Youth is kept out is another large fragment of (whatever's left of) the Hall's credibility plunging into eternal night.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 10.15.10 @ 17:44pm


Chalkie - really?

Any of those 5 over the Alice Cooper band should be cause enough for a riot and total demolition of this farce of a museum.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 10.15.10 @ 19:22pm


Yup...

Waits' Rain Dogs is better than Alice Cooper's entire discography, and that's not hyperbole.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 10.15.10 @ 20:23pm


Chalkie: Suppose that were so. That would still say nothing about Alice Cooper's influence or innovation, which is really what is under contention. It's hard to deny Cooper's impact and continued relevance to rock and roll, regardless of the quality of music.

Posted by Ray on Friday, 10.15.10 @ 20:31pm


Waits' music is at least as influential and much, much, MUCH more innovative. That being said, I don't really have a problem with an Alice Cooper induction.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 10.15.10 @ 20:36pm


Every year that Sonic Youth is kept out is another large fragment of (whatever's left of) the Hall's credibility plunging into eternal night.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 10.15.10 @ 17:44pm

Yes, plus some of their contemporaries. The Hall can make up some major ground with this induction if they do things properly but they still have lots of work to do in spite of that.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 10.16.10 @ 03:31am


First, I am a big fan of Tom - own just about his whole collection on vinyl. But he has done nothing as good as Billion Dollar Babies. And this is not a put down of any of Tom's work. BDB is an epic album that reached so many different people.

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 10.16.10 @ 04:49am


My 2011 rock and roll inductees would be:

Alice Cooper
Bon Jovi
Neil Diamond
Beastie Boys
Donovan
and Tom Waits

my dark horse would be laura nyro

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 10.19.10 @ 11:07am


i get a feeling neither bon jovi nor alice cooper will get into the rock n roll hall of fame, i don't know, i think there is going to be 2 rap acts going in but it would be cool for bon jovi and alice cooper to get in together but i just don't see it happening

Posted by icebox on Tuesday, 10.19.10 @ 11:54am


So now the ballot says only 5 can be voted for? In contrast to what Bream said? Looking for some consensus here.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10.19.10 @ 16:00pm


BON CHAUVI?! You got to be kidding me.

Posted by denyo on Wednesday, 10.20.10 @ 11:17am


You don't see us smiling do you? Oh, and what's with the "Chauvi" bit. Only we're allowed to call people chavs.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 10.20.10 @ 16:05pm


"But he has done nothing as good as Billion Dollar Babies."

Rain Dogs
Closing Time
Swordfishtrombones
Bone Machine

All easily better and, inarguably, more influential/innovative than anything Alice Cooper has released.

Posted by Chalkie on Thursday, 10.21.10 @ 20:02pm


WARNING: Very long read ahead. It's my analysis of the ballot this year.

Predictions on the 2011 nominees for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

Looking at this year’s ballot, we see 15 nominees: Alice Cooper, the Beastie Boys, Bon Jovi, Chic, Neil Diamond, Doctor John, Donovan, the J. Geils Band, LL Cool J, Darlene Love, Laura Nyro, Donna Summer, Joe Tex, Tom Waits, and Chuck Willis. A group of roughly 600 voters will determine the inductees, and each voter is allowed to vote for up to eight candidates. Those with a high enough percentage of the votes will get in. We’re looking at about five to eight inductees for this year. I think there will be only five, as 2005 and 2006 had fifteen and sixteen nominees respectively, with only five inductees both years.

Sixty percent of this year’s nominees are repeats, and another one-third of them are those whose names have come up before in discussion, but hadn’t yet made it to the final ballot. So let’s break them down and make some predictions:


1. Donovan

British folk troubadour whose music included psychedelic tones. The only act on this year’s ballot that had never even been seriously brought up for discussion before.

Why he might make it: He’s a clever singer/songwriter with an impressive string of commercially successful hits, some of which are still known today. Embracing both the lighter and darker sides of folk, he’s considered a pretty artsy artist overall.

Why he might not: Despite first charting in 1965, he’s considered something of a latecomer to the folk-rock game and the British Invasion scene. As well as not really considered all that influential or innovative, he’s always been seen as middling: there, but seldom really rising to the top of the heap. Also, from the very beginning, he has frequently been compared to Bob Dylan, which is always going to be a losing battle unless your name is Smokey Robinson. Despite his efforts to break away from that, he keeps getting rated side-by-side with Dylan.

Whom he’d pave the way for: He represents both the British Invasion (the only candidate on this year’s ballot not from the U.S.A.) and folk rock. So he could open the door for other 60’s British acts not in yet, like the Moody Blues, Herman’s Hermits, Manfred Mann, and Procol Harum; as well as other folk stars, like Joan Baez, Judy Collins, the Kingston Trio, and Peter, Paul, And Mary.

Who’s his biggest threat: Tom Waits’ artier style of writing, Neil Diamond’s sheer commercial success, and Laura Nyro’s soulful endeavors, and even Dr. John’s acclaim within inner circles are all liabilities for Donovan.

If I got a ballot: Play pretend time! Whom would I pick? If I got to pick up to eight artists, Donovan would get my vote, being the fourth name I would pick.

In the end: The voters love folk-rock and the British Invasion a little too much to ignore him. Induction chances: 75%


2. Tom Waits

A gravelly voiced singer/songwriter whose compositions have been recorded by a myriad of artists. First-time nominee.

Why he might make it: He’s a heavily influential singer and songwriter, as well as something of an icon of the independent label and underground facets of rock and roll. Additionally, he’s really the only name on the list that represents the indie/underground scene.

Why he might not: For all his acclaim, he’s never broken through as a performer in mainstream form. A number of his albums have charted on the Top 200, but no individual song charted on any chart, not even the Album Tracks chart, which doesn’t necessitate the release of a song as a single. Ergo, he doesn’t have quite the name recognition as some of the other nominees, or the popularity that goes with being known. And while he is the only real indie representative, he’s not the only singer/songwriter on the ballot.

Whom he’d pave the way for: If Waits gets in, it could be what ushers in a tidal wave of independent label and underground rockers from the ‘80s to make it in as well, such as the Replacements, the Jam, the Smiths, Joy Division, and many others.

Who’s his biggest threat? More popular singer/songwriters Neil Diamond and Donovan are his biggest competitors, and Laura Nyro may be an x-factor as well.

If I got a ballot: Play-pretend time! Whom would I pick? If I got to pick up to eight to vote for, Waits would indeed be one of them. He’d be the fifth one I’d give the check mark to.

In the end: With more freedom allowed in voting, there’s both less and more pressure to be diverse with the choices, so Waits could get overlooked, but he’s been around long enough to where he’s going to appeal to too many voters. Induction chances: 70%


3. The J. Geils Band

A good-time, good-feeling rock and roll band with blues overtones. This is their third nomination.

Why they might make it: They’re a band that you can just point to and say, “Yes, that IS rock and roll.” They have a decent list of fun hits (and non-hits) that people from a variety of walks of life can appreciate. Charting on the R&B charts once or twice doesn’t hurt either, as some of the higher-ups in the inner circle hold the belief that R&B is more true to what rock and roll really is than heavy metal. From the inside, either Geils himself or lead singer Peter Wolf is friends with the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Foundation President Jann S. Wenner, and if you think his opinion doesn’t carry any weight with the voting bloc, stop reading now. Seriously. Lastly, Wolf’s tribute paid to songwriter Jesse Stone last year, in addition to being memorably standout, also puts his band fresh in the mind of voters again as to why they were loved back in the day.

Why they might not: They were never considered innovative or influential. Also, Peter Wolf’s going solo put a halt on the band’s train of commercial success, and having only recently reunited, that’s still a significant loss of momentum.

Whom they’d pave the way for: Good question. They don’t really represent a camp of overlooked artists. At least none that are currently eligible. Maybe other past nominees that don’t neatly fit into one camp either like War or the Paul Butterfield Blues Band?

Who’s their biggest threat: Bon Jovi is their biggest threat, hands down, as another rock band that had major success in the 80’s. Other than that, the fact that they don’t fit neatly into any one camp is their biggest obstacle. Voters are likely to pick a diverse list by choosing which artist best represents a section of the rock and roll diaspora. Not being in a major significant section makes it difficult.

If I got a ballot: I’d mark them down. They’d just make the cut though, as my eighth selection.

In the end: It’s hard to predict in favor of a band that lost out to Percy Sledge in 2005, but they wouldn’t be the first to lose out to Percy and make it at a later time. I’m thinking they might squeak through, despite being the eighth selection on a lot of actual voters’ ballots. Induction chances: 55%


4. The Beastie Boys

Trio of white rappers that combined hip-hop with punk rock. Second-time nominee.

Why they might make it: They introduced hip-hop to the suburban audience, which paved the way for the triumph of rap as the dominant style of music on the Billboard Hot 100. Also, by blending punk rock with hip-hop, it’s pretty much impossible to say they aren’t rock and roll, even if you believe rap is not a part of rock and roll (it is). On that note, the Nominating Committee keeps pushing for more rap artists. They got one inducted in 2007, another in 2009, so we’re due for one this year.

Why they might not: The last time they were nominated, there was a second hip-hop act on the ballot, and they cancelled each other out, both failing to get in. There’s a second rapper on this year’s ballot too. Additionally, after not making the cut last time out, one member was heard to say, “We really don’t care if we get in or not.” While that isn’t the most scathing dismissal of the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame (see Daryl Hall And John Oates, Toto, Steve Miller), it may just sway voters to cast their ballot for an act that would actually appreciate the honor just a bit more.

Whom they’d pave the way for: They could be the group that gets in so that other rap groups like Public Enemy, N.W.A., and the Sugarhill Gang can get in.

Who’s their biggest threat: LL Cool J is the other rapper on this list, and he’s the favorite of somewhat vocal Nominating Committee member Toure. Other hard rockers like Alice Cooper and Bon Jovi might be a hindrance, too.

If I got a ballot: I rank them as my second choice to vote for, so yes, they’d get my approval, as they would have the last time they were nominated.

In the end: The powers-that-be will want a rap act in this year, after not getting one last time. I think the Beastie Boys have the slight advantage, despite their indifference to the honor. Induction chances: 55%


5. Neil Diamond

A songwriting and singing legend with a career spanning over a full four decades. First time nominee.

Why he might make it: He’s a prolific songwriter who’s respected because he paid his dues as just a songwriter before finally breaking big in the late ‘60s with a successive string of pop-rock gems that people of all ages still enjoy to this day.

Why he might not: For starters, his image. His flashy and bright attire doesn’t really symbolize anything counter-cultural, nor anything about his image really paints a progressive picture. And while his songs from the 60’s and early 70’s are what build the case for him, his recordings after that almost tear down said case. “You Don’t Bring Me Flowers,” his #1 hit duet with Barbra Streisand, may just symbolize a great deal of what people say is NOT what rock and roll is about. Also not regarded as being widely innovative or influential.

Whom he’d pave the way for: Other popular singer/songwriters might be able to follow in Diamond’s steps, such as Jim Croce, Carly Simon, Don McLean, or Cat Stevens. Also, his induction might help push other soft-rock acts to get in, like Bread and the Carpenters.

Who’s his biggest threat? Fellow sixties singer/songwriter Donovan might make things tough for him, as would Tom Waits, who represents a more highbrow artistic rock.

If I got a ballot: Neil Diamond would make the cut, coming in at number six on my pecking order.

In the end: Critics do not really hate him, and he is beloved by his fellow performers, so he stands a real chance. Dead even. Induction chances: 50%


6. Donna Summer

One of the key figures of disco during the 70’s and early 80’s. Third-time nominee.

Why she might get in: She’s royalty… the “Queen Of Disco.” Other than Neil Diamond, she’s got the longest list of hit singles than any of the artists on the ballot. Very influential female singer, influencing the already-inducted Madonna, as well as other starlets of dance music. There’s also an affirmative action side to consider, as there’s usually an effort to induct at least one racial minority, and one woman. She fits both bills nicely and conveniently.

Why she might not: Don’t kid yourself, there’s a bias against disco, with the Bee Gees, ABBA, and Earth, Wind, And Fire representing the style—and even then some would claim ABBA and Earth, Wind, And Fire aren’t really all that disco either. She’s missed out on tighter ballots before, too, ones that had fewer nominees.

Whom she’d pave the way for: The biggest and most obvious choice is Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston running a relatively close second. However, Summer might also clear the path for female rockers Pat Benatar, Heart, and Joan Jett as well.

Who’s her biggest threat: Fellow disco act Chic appeared on the ballot with Summer in 2008 (as did the Beastie Boys), and both missed. Chic’s back and is her biggest threat. Also, returning female presences from last year such as Darlene Love and Laura Nyro could hurt, and even Joe Tex and Chuck Willis could be a block for her.

If I got a ballot: Albeit not the highest choice for me, she’s my seventh pick, and so would pass the bar this year with me.

In the end: She stands a real chance, but may fall short. While it may happen, it’s no guarantee that there will be more than five inductees in 2011. If there will be, I’d say she’s in. Otherwise, she’s my pick again for the upset special this year. Induction chances: 49%


7. Alice Cooper

Hard-rock band known for pioneering new styles of stage performance, as well as progenitors of glam. First time nominee.

Why they might make it: They were an influential band with some innovation. While fully evolving the rebellious nature that rock and roll was thought to embody in its early days, they still managed to be a well-known name in the music world, even when the name only applied to the lead singer. They’re also a band that is well beloved and touted by the public as a long-time criminal snub.

Why they might not: Their innovation was more in the stage shows they presented, which is of secondary importance to the music itself. Also, the voting bloc is comprised of musicians and critics… not the common man. Those who have the appeal with the common man usually take multiple ballots before they get in: Black Sabbath needed eight; Lynyrd Skynyrd, seven; John Cougar Mellencamp, three, and on their first try, Kiss missed last year, despite being favorites to the public. The band was not all that loved by critics, ever, and critics make up a third of the bloc, which, while not a majority, can certainly put a kink in their hopes. Politics may be a factor as well.

Whom they’d pave the way for: Other hard rock legends could soon come through, like Ted Nugent and Ozzy Osbourne (who’s in with Black Sabbath, but not as a solo artist). This could also be the pick of the hard rock/prog subcommittee this year, so it could be once they’re in, bands like Yes, Rush, Electric Light Orchestra, Slayer, Pantera, etc. will all starting getting some consideration.

Who’s their biggest threat: Bon Jovi is probably the hardest rocking act after Alice Cooper, and the Beastie Boys certainly were hard in their punk side of rap, so they might be an inhibition as well. And there’s a chance the voters will go R&B heavy this year too.

If I got a ballot: Number three pick on my list. They’d get a nod from me.

In the end: The early buzz is actually quite favorable for Alice Cooper, who’ve been nominated as a band, and not just the lead singer born Vincent Furnier, though the name “Alice Cooper” would be enshrined, so it would likely include the solo years too. Voters getting to pick up to eight this year tells me there’s room for him, but past experience tells me don’t bet on it. I think he’s a dead-even split. Induction chances: 45%


8. LL Cool J

One of hip-hop’s very first solo superstars. This is his second nomination.

Why he might make it: Hip-hop was dominated in the early days by groups: the Sugarhill Gang, Grandmaster Flash And The Furious Five, Run-D.M.C., etc. LL Cool J was one of the first solo superstars, especially in terms of crossing over to the pop charts and audience. Now, hip-hop is dominated by solo artists, because of rappers like him. He also helped create the bridge that changed R&B into the more sultry style that it became in the ‘90s and still exists to this day.

Why he might not: Despite the smaller ballot, LL Cool J couldn’t get inducted last year as the only hip-hop artist on the ballot. Also, some might resent the direction he helped R&B take.

Who he’d pave the way for: Other rap solo artists loom on the horizon: Ice-T is already eligible, and soon enough we’ll see Jay-Z, Ja Rule, and Snoop Dogg getting looks.

Who’s his biggest threat: The Beastie Boys are the most obvious threat, but don’t overlook Donna Summer as an R&B superstar, or even Chic who’ve been sampled many, many times on hip-hop records.

If I got a ballot: If he were the only hip-hop artist on the ballot, I might consider placing the check mark by his name. As it is, I’m pulling more for the Beastie Boys, and place LL Cool J at number thirteen in my pecking order.

In the end: This is his second consecutive nomination, so someone’s pulling for him, but I think it’ll take another ballot, unless they do induct eight, in which case, he could be the shocker of the year. Induction chances: 40%


9. Bon Jovi

Hard rock group that dominated the 1980’s and still continues to have hit records. First-time nominee.

Why they might make it: The Hall Of Fame has been trying to skew younger, to attract a younger audience to what they do and to the museum, and this group fits the bill about as well as possible while still being around for at least the minimum 25 years prior to eligibility. They were also a wildly successful hair-metal band, and considered among the more talented bands in that genre. Add in Jon’s friendship with Jann Wenner, and you have possibilities.

Why they might not: Hair metal is just not artistically respected, and again, a third of the voters are music critics. Also, some voters may prefer to vote for acts who’ve been around longer, saying there’ll be plenty of time to induct this band later – basically, what may have been part of the Red Hot Chili Peppers’ failure to make the grade last year. Again, as a band that appeals more to the working man, it may backfire against them in this regard.

Whom they’d pave the way for: The big hair bands of the 80’s are knocking on the Hall’s doors. Def Leppard, Motley Crue, Twisted Sister, the not-yet eligible Guns ‘N’ Roses are all those who’d likely follow, as well as possibly other arena rock bands like Journey, Styx, and Foreigner.

Who’s their biggest threat: The J. Geils Band and Alice Cooper are definitely the biggest competition that could keep Bon Jovi out.

If I got a ballot: Voters only get to pick up to eight candidates. It’d be heartbreaking cut, but Bon Jovi finishes ninth with me, not getting my support. This time.

In the end: The ballot as I see it right now is already pretty heavy with the classic rock and pop-rock scene, and there’s often a desire for more R&B on the ballot. They could get lost in the shuffle this time. Induction chances: 35%


10. Chic

R&B/disco group fronted by a crackerjack production team. This is their sixth appearance on the ballot.

Why they might make it: Their records were sampled far and wide back in the early days of hip-hop, so the influence factor is definitely in their favor. From a musical standpoint, their bass and guitar lines are considered very tough to imitate or duplicate. The men in the group were all production geniuses. Also, Nile Rodgers was on the Nominating Committee back when the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame was first founded, so politically, this an attempt to repay the favor to him.

Why they might not: Hall Of Fame watchdogs like me have a term we call “Chic Syndrome,” which is used to describe a musically proficient act that many are turned off from by the cerebrally detoured lyrics, which you see in Chic songs, though they are hardly the worst offenders. It’s simply called “Chic Syndrome” because aside from the near alliteration, Chic’s the group that’s been repeatedly nominated and denied. “Le Freak,” “I Want Your Love,” and “Dance, Dance, Dance (Yowzah, Yowzah, Yowzah)” wouldn’t make any list of “Best Lyrics”, even if that list went to one million. And as we see with Donna Summer, disco isn’t popular with the voting bloc.

Whom they’d pave the way for: Other disco groups waiting in the wings include the GAP Band, KC And The Sunshine Band, and maybe even the Ohio Players. It could even lead to inducting more soul-funk groups like the Bar-Kays, the Average White Band, and Charles Wright And The Watts 103rd Street (Rhythm) Band.

Who’s their biggest threat: This isn’t the first time that Donna Summer and Chic have appeared on the ballot together and both fell short of the mark. Donna’s the biggest threat, with LL Cool J not far behind. Fellow six-time nominee Chuck Willis may get the sympathy vote this year, too, and not Chic.

If I got a ballot: My disco vote would be for Donna Summer, not Chic, and so Chic ranks twelfth on my list of those who’d get my vote this year. No vote from me.

In the end: Chic’s gonna get in eventually, but it won’t be this year. But definitely with either their seventh or eighth nomination. Induction chances: 33.3%


11. Darlene Love

A pop-rock singer with a powerful voice, most famously recording for Phil Spector in the early ‘60s. Third-time nominee.

Why she might make it: She’s got support from both Little Steven and Dave Marsh, who represent two different ends of one spectrum used to describe the Nominating Committee and the voting bloc. With two-thirds of the voting bloc being current inductees (mostly musicians), she might be able to curry favor with those who feel professional respect for her. Musically, she was a lynchpin in the creation of Phil Spector’s legendary wall of sound, as she showed how singers were going to have to sing to keep up with the musicians who had a newfound liberty to play louder, thanks in part to Darlene Love. She’s considered a pretty well kept secret in the music of the ‘60’s.

Why she might not: She may have been a secret a little too well kept. She’s not known for innovation. Or influence. Or for any of her songs really. When the song you’re best known for is a Christmas song, you’ve got a tough road ahead for Hall Of Fame induction. She sang on a couple well-known songs—songs that were credited to the Crystals. Also, as was argued against the Ronettes, all the music artistry could be argued to belong to Phil Spector, not to any of the artists who recorded for him. Lastly, there are arguments that she was more of a session singer, and if she were to be inducted, the Side-Man category, not Performer, is the more appropriate choice.

Whom she’d pave the way for: Female pop stars of the ‘60s seem to be the most obvious choices for later nominations, including the girl groups the Crystals, the Shangri-Las, the Marvelettes, as well as solo singer and teen queen Lesley Gore.

Who’s her biggest threat: Her biggest rivals for ballot space are Donna Summer and Chuck Willis. Joe Tex might be an issue, too, as well as Laura Nyro.

If I had a ballot: I absolutely love Darlene Love’s voice and everything she’s done. She would be the first name that I would put the check mark of approval next to. I’d underline and circle her name, too.

In the end: Unfortunately, I don’t get a vote. And those who do will see her as a minor player at best, doomed to be kept out. Induction chances: 30%


12. Joe Tex

A scratchy-voiced soul singer, who wrote his own hits. This is his fourth nomination.

Why he might make it: There’s always respect for those who write their own hits, and put together a string of hits. Music historians also cite his raspy vocal delivery as being influential in the development of the vocal delivery in rap music. There’s also usually a lot of love for soul singers, and he’s the only real soul singer on this year’s ballot.

Why he might not: He’s lost out on past ballots where he’s been the only soul candidate, especially in the face of other prominent forms of R&B also represented on the ballot. Additionally, three of his four biggest hits on the Billboard Hot 100 were songs that bordered on being novelty records, which makes it hard to take his music seriously, let alone him as a candidate for the Hall Of Fame.

Whom he’d pave the way for: If they can finally get Joe Tex in, it might open the door for the “Soul Philosopher” Johnnie Taylor, but more importantly, for soul groups that debuted in the ‘60s but broke big in the ‘70s, like the Spinners, the Del-Fonics, the Chi-Lites, the Stylistics, and Harold Melvin And The Blue Notes.

Who’s his biggest threat: Darlene Love and Chuck Willis are the biggest competition, as well as Donna Summer and LL Cool J.

If I got a ballot: As much as I love soul music, Joe Tex is not someone who’d get my vote this time, as he comes in at number fourteen for me.

In the end: Historically, 1997 is the only year where an artist has gotten in on their fourth nomination, and I think it’ll remain that way for now. Induction chances: 25%


13. Chuck Willis

An R&B singer who was known as the “Stroll King” and “Sheik Of The Blues.” Sixth-time nominee.

Why he might make it: His music kicked off the stroll craze of the ‘50s, the stroll being a popular dance, and as such, makes him a progenitor of all dance music that falls under the umbrella of rock ‘n’ roll. He’s one of the R&B artists that were around before rock ‘n’ roll music really burst onto the scene in 1955, and as such, he was on hand to help usher in the new era.

Why he might not: He died in 1958, and as such never got to realize his full potential. Consequently, his is not a name that is often remembered when naming off the founding fathers of rock ‘n’ roll. Also, though a six-time nominee, this is the first time he’s been nominated in the past 20 years. So, his nomination is a bit of a surprise. Lastly, he could just as easily be inducted as an Early Influence, since he did slightly predate rock ‘n’ roll’s becoming mainstream.

Whom he’d pave the way for: His induction might re-open the doors for others who haven’t been nominated since the ‘80s, i.e. Johnny Ace, Esther Phillips, Mary Wells, and the solo career of Ben E. King. It may also revive the efforts to induct R&B groups that were also around to help usher in the new rock era, such as the Dominoes and the “5” Royales.

Who’s his biggest threat: Darlene Love fits the pre-British Invasion era selection quite nicely too. Dance music is represented well by Donna Summer and Chic, and Joe Tex would also fill in an R&B slot Willis might otherwise be able to grab.

If I got a ballot: While he certainly is deserving, the constraints of being only allowed to choose eight would leave him out in the cold on my ballot. He finishes at number eleven in my pecking order.

In the end: I can’t help but wonder if the only reason he’s on this year’s ballot is so that Chic won’t be alone at the top of the “most nominations without being yet inducted” list with six nominations. Induction chances: 20%


14. Dr. John

A New Orleans-based singer/songwriter who infused various styles into his sound. First-time nominee.

Why he might make it: He’s a true original, and there isn’t another performer quite like him. He also puts on quite a live performance, which Buddy Guy’s induction in 2005 shows is quite an asset. He’s also infused a lot of different styles into his New Orleans-based sound, which always draws respect.

Why he might not: You can’t tell what a good musician he is by listening to his records, as he leaves his best stuff for the live shows. There also isn’t much name recognition, as he didn’t have very many hits, and his albums were never huge sellers, either. Also as with Darlene Love, some argue he’d be a better fit as a Side-Man inductee.

Whom he’d pave the way for: Tough to decide, but I think zydeco music would start being recognized if Dr. John got in, and maybe other session men that put out records, like Ry Cooder and Leon Russell.

Who’s his biggest threat: The J. Geils Band is the next bluesiest act, Donovan has a psychedelic edge that competes with Dr. John’s funky style, and Tom Waits has the edge in terms of singer/songwriters who seldom became big news.

If I got a ballot: There’re just too many big fish on this year’s ballot. Dr. John comes in dead last for me, number fifteen.

In the end: The fact that he’s not really a threat to anyone else on the ballot may mean he could quietly slip through, but more than likely, it’s a matter of too many bigger and possibly better choices to make this year. Induction chances: 15%


15. Laura Nyro

A blue-eyed-soul singer/songwriter who has had her compositions recorded by many artists. Second-time nominee.

Why she might make it: She’s been widely covered by many artists, and is well respected as a songwriter. Also, good blue-eyed soul artists usually get in eventually. There’s another interesting factor to note: they changed the voting process this year from top five vote recipients to those who receive a certain percentage of the vote. This isn’t so interesting until you realize that four of this year’s nominees were on last year’s ballot but missed out. So maybe they changed it because it ran so close, but only five could get in? Laura Nyro is one of those four, so maybe she was a near miss last year.

Why she might not: She had very few, very minor hits. Almost none of the artists who had the hit versions of her songs are in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame either. Lastly, she’s better known as a songwriter, so there’s the claim that she’d be a better fit for the Non-Performer category.

Whom she’d pave the way for: There are only a few serious blue-eyed soul candidates left such as Mitch Ryder And The Detroit Wheels, and Daryl Hall And John Oates, so they could follow after her. She might also open the door for artists that made hits out of her songs, like Three Dog Night, the Fifth Dimension, or Blood, Sweat, And Tears. She could even make it possible for Buffy Saint-Marie to garner consideration.

Who’s her biggest threat: Tom Waits, Neil Diamond, Donovan, Joe Tex, and Dr. John are all singer/songwriters, and Donna Summer and Darlene Love (as well as Chic) are a good supply of female artists that all stand in her way.

If I got a ballot: I love her voice, but she ranks number ten on my list this year, so she would be omitted by me.

In the end: She might be one of those names that there’ll always be at least five other names more popular than, and as such, will always have a struggle getting in. Unless she gets a Non-Performer nod, this won’t be the year she gets in. Induction chances: 10%


Other categories:

The Performer category is the most exciting race to watch for two reasons: one, it’s the one where the average person has the best chance at recognizing names that they relate any personal memories to; two, it’s the only category that has a selection process that occurs over a the course of months and which the public is even kept apprised of in any way. But the Performer category is not the only induction category. There are:

Non-Performers: For those whose contributions were more as songwriter, producer, record label owner, publicist, etc. than any actual musical contribution. Last year, Roger Friedman of Fox News reported that David Geffen would be inducted in 2010 and Doug Morris in 2011. Since David Geffen was indeed inducted in 2010, Friedman’s prophecy about Doug Morris is forefront in the minds of Rock Hall monitors like myself. With the inductions of so many of the great songwriters this past year, it’s unlikely they’ll go with another songwriter for a year or two, unless it’s Laura Nyro, who might be inducted as a Non-Performer if she misses again on this ballot.

Early Influences: For those that predate the Rock era and so weren’t really rock and roll in their music, but the music they did put out was influential in the development of rock and roll. There hasn’t been a legitimate induction in this category since 2000, though in 2009 they inducted Wanda Jackson, whose music did not predate the Rock era, and was definitely rock and roll. This year, Chuck Willis stands a chance of being inducted as an Early Influence if he doesn’t get in as a Performer. Since the greater part of his career did predate the rock era, this would actually be a somewhat legitimate induction, but there are still hopes out there that we’ll soon see the Ravens and Django Reinhardt inducted as an Early Influence.

Side-Man: Session musicians who made a profound impact get inducted here. Earlier this year, Elton John was pushing to get Leon Russell as a nominee for Performer, but he didn’t make the cut. However, Leon Russell’s probably one of the best choices for the Side-Man category. As with last year, Darlene Love is a possible choice for her work as a back-up singer, but they have yet to induct anyone as a Side-Man for back-up vocal work, and if they were to do it, the Jordanaires would probably be the most solid pick. Still, other possibilities range from members of the Wrecking Crew to members of the Funk Brothers, to members of the E Street Band.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.22.10 @ 20:58pm


Nicely done. It would be nice if the E Street Band got a Side-Man nod.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 10.23.10 @ 05:38am


Leon Russell and Billy Preston for the Sidemen category.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.24.10 @ 07:08am


http://songhall.org/vote

The nominees for the 2011 Song Hall have been announced, and members of Chic are on it, as is Leon Russell.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.25.10 @ 05:20am


The 2011 Songwriters Hall of Fame Nominees

Non-Performers

John Bettis
Tony Hatch
Tony Macaulay
Dean Pitchford
Joe South
Jim Steinman
Allen Toussaint
Ivy George Hunter/Mickey Stevenson
Dennis Lambert/Brian Potter
Dan Penn/Spooner Oldham
Jerry Ragovoy/Bert Berns
Billy Steinberg/Tom Kelly

Performers

Steven Tyler/Joe Perry (Aerosmith)
Kenneth “Babyface” Edmonds
Garth Brooks
Harry Wayne Casey/Richard Finch (KC and the Sunshine Band)
Tom Johnston/Patrick Simmons (Doobie Brothers)
Phil Everly/Don Everly
Annie Lennox/Dave Stewart
George Michael
Nile Rodgers/Bernard Edwards (Chic)
Leon Russell
Sylvester “Sly Stone” Stewart
Frank Beard/Billy Gibbons/Dusty Hill (ZZ Top)

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.25.10 @ 06:22am


Will get in:

Beastie Boys
Alice Cooper
Donovan
Donna Summer
Tom Waits

Laura Nyro as non-performer.

Should get in:

Neil Diamond
Donovan
Alice Cooper
Tom Waits
Chic

Laura Nyro as non-performer

Posted by Mike on Monday, 10.25.10 @ 18:39pm


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Posted by qvaziu on Tuesday, 10.26.10 @ 02:51am


It is a crime that Neil Diamond with not only his writing ability, but his dynamic singing for close to half of a century could possibly be overlooked. This is a musician of the likes most in the industry cannot touch. I cannot count the amount of other artists that have relied on his musical ability and talents so they themselves have songs to sing. It would be a huge travisty for this man to be passed up. It has continued to be a travisty that the band KISS has been overlooked for such other names that most do not even consider any kind of a rock artist or band. I'm the age that I was around when good classic rock came to be of which that includes KISS and Neil Diamond. I doubt that in another 30 to 40 years, current music or even music from the 1990's will stand the test of time like the music from the mid 1960's through early 1980's, it just will not happen. Thank You Linda Sue Wiant

Posted by Linda Wiant on Friday, 10.29.10 @ 03:57am


I'm the age that I was around when good classic rock came to be of which that includes KISS and Neil Diamond. I doubt that in another 30 to 40 years, current music or even music from the 1990's will stand the test of time like the music from the mid 1960's through early 1980's, it just will not happen. Thank You Linda Sue Wiant

Posted by Linda Wiant on Friday, 10.29.10 @ 03:57am
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Prove it.

You're dealing w/abstractions here. It's only classic if you want it to be. I happen to think that the music I grew up with, from the early/mid 80's to the late 90's, was in fact quite superior to the 60's & 70's music. I have no problem stating this fact either.

Your saying something won't stand the test of time leaves out the fact that you can't control how people feel about what they've heard & experienced over time. There's an entire generation that remembers this music & attaches it to their own youth. That alone guarantees it will in fact stand the test of time. It's also the reason why the 2000's will be remembered by the people growing up now.

By the way, you should know I do like Kiss. Neil Diamond is a take-it-or-leave-it proposition, though "Cherry Cherry" is a great song.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 10.29.10 @ 05:44am


"I doubt that in another 30 to 40 years, current music or even music from the 1990's will stand the test of time like the music from the mid 1960's through early 1980's, it just will not happen."

Posted by Linda Wiant on Friday, 10.29.10 @ 03:57am

This might be one of the worst statements that I've heard on this site in a long time. Just awful.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 10.29.10 @ 11:30am


I am going to have to agree with Chalkie and Cheesecrop on this one. I would agree that the overall output of music has decline a bit since the 70's, but there has still be a ton of great stuff in the 90's and the 00's. You just got to look for it!

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.29.10 @ 11:53am


"I happen to think that the music I grew up with, from the early/mid 80's to the late 90's, was in fact quite superior to the 60's & 70's music. I have no problem stating this fact either."

--------------------------------------------------

Oh really?? Cheesecrop, here's the top 40 from your top 100 list of all time that you posted from the other page:

1. Pearl Jam
2. The Doors
3. Buddy Holly
4. The MGM Studio Orchestra
5. Elvis Presley
6. Weird Al Yankovic
7. The Velvet Underground
8. Stone Temple Pilots
9. Alice In Chains
10. Led Zeppelin
11. Creedence Clearwater Revival
12. Screaming Trees
13. King Diamond
14. Beatles
15. Nirvana
16. Rolling Stones
17. Abbott & Costello - "Who's on First"
18. Link Wray
19. 13th Floor Elevators
20. Byrds
21. Amstel Light Beer Commercial - mid-1980's
22. Def Leppard
23. Little Richard
24. Cream
25. Ozzy Osbourne
26. Soundgarden
27. Bill Haley & the Comets
28. The 3 Stooges - My Life, My Love, My All (1934)
29. Vince Guaraldi
30. The Beach Boys
31. Deep Purple
32. Blur
33. Iggy Pop
34. Gordon Lightfoot
35. Glen Campbell
36. Sly & the Family Stone
37. Metallica
38. Tears For Fears
39. Grant Lee Buffalo
40. Sweet

4 out of the top 5 aren't from the early/mid 80's to the late 90's! Neither are 7 out of the top 11 or 13 out of the top 20 or 25 out of the top 40.

What happened?? Your own list doesn't seem to be "stating that fact."

Posted by Arrow Man on Friday, 10.29.10 @ 12:17pm


This is such a futile and stupid argument. I hope you all realize that since the invention of the phonograph record, no specific decade or generation's music has been better than the other.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 10.29.10 @ 12:53pm


"I doubt that in another 30 to 40 years, current music or even music from the 1990's will stand the test of time like the music from the mid 1960's through early 1980's, it just will not happen."

Why did you leave out the mid to late 80's, which produced stuff just as good as the early 80's. Plenty of stuff from the 80's and 90's is already standing up to scrutiny. Suck it.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 10.29.10 @ 13:40pm


4 out of the top 5 aren't from the early/mid 80's to the late 90's! Neither are 7 out of the top 11 or 13 out of the top 20 or 25 out of the top 40.

What happened?? Your own list doesn't seem to be "stating that fact."

Posted by Arrow Man on Friday, 10.29.10 @ 12:17pm


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The difference, Arrow, is that this list was compiled purely for fun, which is the reason why I begged off on having it included in any kind of point-driven voting tally.

Looking at the list, you can see, for instance, that I put King Diamond ahead of the Beatles. Never in my wildest dreams would I place the Beatles over King Diamond if I had to do some sort of "official" list. So why would anyone put King Diamond over the Beatles? No rational reason - unless you were with me on a September night in 1988, when I was coping w/a high school algebra class that had me freaked out. My buddies & I got together, & we had a night we all needed. Mr. Diamond was an integral part of the soundtrack to that evening. Come June of 89, I stroll out w/ a "B" in algebra.

A great deal of that list is personal, & you wouldn't understand the connections unless you knew me at certain times. Hopefully you'll recognize now that using that list as a critique of anything I say is foolish. Of course, if you want I can have it included in the tally, if you'd like. Just don't be upset if someone misses the cut cause some fool threw away points on a beer commercial jingle - with a reason that only he can understand.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 10.29.10 @ 17:33pm


Never in my wildest dreams would I place the Beatles over King Diamond if I had to do some sort of "official" list.


Mistake there - that should read "Never in my wildest dreams would I place the Beatles UNDER King Diamond..."

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 10.29.10 @ 17:37pm


I'm with you...the beer commercials from the early 80s & 90s were better than the 70s..that's for sure! Weekends were made for Michelob.

Posted by Arrow Man on Friday, 10.29.10 @ 17:42pm


Here My Picks of 2011 Rock and Roll Nominees to be inducted

Alice Cooper
Beastie Boys
Bon Jovi
Neil Diamond
Donovan
J. Geils Band
Donna Summer
Tom Waits

List of People to inducted them

Dee Snider of Twisted Sister- Alice Cooper
Tyson Ritter of All American Rejects- Bon Jovi
Jay-Z- Beastie Boys
Harry Connick Jr.- Neil Diamond
Jason Mraz- Donovan
Joe Perry of Aerosmith- J. Geils Band
Beyonce- Donna Summer
Bruce Springsteen- Tom Waits

Early Influnces
Chuck Willis (Eric Clapton To Inducted Him)

Sideman
Members of Alice Cooper's Backup Band (Dee Snider to Inducted Them)
Funk Brothers (Stevie Wonder to Inducted Them)

Non-Performers
Quincy Jones (Will Smith to Inducted Him

Posted by Dan Windler on Wednesday, 11.3.10 @ 20:47pm


Sideman
Members of Alice Cooper's Backup Band (Dee Snider to Inducted Them)

Posted by Dan Windler on Wednesday, 11.3.10 @ 20:47pm


How many times do people have to be told that all of Alice Cooper is being nominated and inducted.

Read the bio above.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11.4.10 @ 02:43am


Since I can't comment to Tom Lane on his blog, I'm guessing this place will be okay to do it. Great inclusions of snubs; however, I really don't approve of your comparing all those 70s and 80s R&B icons to the Dells... the Dells were around back at the dawn of rock'n'roll, helping to usher in that era, even though they didn't cross over to the pop charts until later, and then started having major success in the late '60s and early '70s. Apples and oranges, honestly.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 11.4.10 @ 17:18pm


Who is this Tom Lane person anyway? Why is he quoted so much on the Twitter feed?

Posted by Arrow Man on Thursday, 11.4.10 @ 17:43pm


I'm guessing he's a member of the admin team here on FRL. Just a guess.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 11.4.10 @ 17:57pm


Tom Lane has a music blog and write some pretty insightful posts. He's also contributed to some of the projects here, etc.

He's not an admin on this site though. As far as I know, FRL is run solely by one person.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 11.11.10 @ 13:00pm


Well that one person does a damn fine job, then (I believe I know the first name, too, but will respect FRL), because this site comes off pretty well. I thought it was a team job.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 11.11.10 @ 13:41pm


As far as those who state that the Genesis induction was false hope, allow me to be a little positive here: The hall seems to lump prog and hard rock/heavy metal under the the same catergory of "snubs". Last year with Genesis and KISS they pretty much threw two bands at the wall and saw what stuck. The hall might just want to be fair and views this as "hard rocks year", and threw up a strong candidate in Alice Cooper and an inevitable one in Bon Jovi. Should Alice or Bon Jovi (or both) get in this year, there will probably be a prog act next year, or maybe even two. (Most likely Yes, and then some other band, they'll probably consider ELO prog unfortunately). And for hard rock we'll get GNR , which kinda sucks, as I think they should still continue this process of hard rock backlog.

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 11.13.10 @ 13:45pm


* hard rock and prog under the same catergory of snubs

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 11.13.10 @ 13:45pm


* hard rock and prog under the same catergory of snubs

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 11.13.10 @ 14:16pm


As far as those who state that the Genesis induction was false hope, allow me to be a little positive here: The hall seems to lump prog and hard rock/heavy metal under the the same catergory of "snubs". Last year with Genesis and KISS they pretty much threw two bands at the wall and saw what stuck. The hall might just want to be fair and views this as "hard rocks year", and threw up a strong candidate in Alice Cooper and an inevitable one in Bon Jovi. Should Alice or Bon Jovi (or both) get in this year, there will probably be a prog act next year, or maybe even two. (Most likely Yes, and then some other band, they'll probably consider ELO prog unfortunately). And for hard rock we'll get GNR , which kinda sucks, as I think they should still continue this process of hard rock backlog.

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 11.13.10 @ 14:16pm


December has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.1.10 @ 00:35am


December is finally upon us! We will know the inductees soon!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.1.10 @ 05:58am


Yes Roy, December is here. And with that, the holiday season (or as it is called in my family, Christmas)kicks into high gear. And so does finding out whom gets inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2011.

The question now is: will this coming induction class be a memorable one; or will it just be passible? I think it could go either way. 16 of the 17 finalists as performers have been inducted into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall; the lone exception being J. Geils. Despite some reservations I may have had regarding some of the website inductees that are real Rock Hall finalists, which includes my seeing little importance for Darlene Love and Chuck Willis, and the rather lukewarm reaction I have regarding Bon Jovi: they have been inducted here, and should be considered primarily by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation's Nominating Committee.

I will say this, however. I do not see the reasoning as to why J. Geils is even being seriously considered. Geils is an okay guitar player, and I must say Peter Wolf is quite the interesting frontman. Yet, aside from "Freeze Frame", they never made a unique mark in popular music. That is to say, while good, J. Geils' blues infested rock was pretty much the same blues-infested rock done by neo-roots artists that are heard often enough. Put it this way: if J. Geils is a Rock Hall finalist, then why is Stevie Ray Vaughan still not inducted after 20 years of his passing? If a fellow poster can bring forth a reason of legitimacy that does not exclusively involve "Freeze Frame", I will gladly make a case for J. Geils in our next Projected Rock Hall Class.

Waiting to see if anyone responds,

Lax27

Posted by Lax27 on Wednesday, 12.1.10 @ 17:47pm


First off, there're 15, not 17 finalists.

Second, you've more than made your opinion known regarding Darlene Love, which I still vehemently disagree with, but whatever.

Third, who are you predicting to make the cut this year... not the ones you WANT, but who you think will. I know you'll probably "infer that yet we know" it'll be Chic and Donna Summer, since those are two of your perennial choices, which I gotta admit, aren't bad guesses. So, who are the other 3-6 picks of yours?

And I'm curious to see when FRL will put their prediction up too. Time's almost up!

P.S., thanks for installing that which allows us to link to specific posts. I don't know if anyone's actually linked to it from my bio page at work, but it's to nice to have, nonetheless.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12.1.10 @ 18:26pm


I think the inductees will be as follows.

Alice Cooper
Neil Diamond
Bon Jovi
Donna Summer
Donovan
Chic
Beastie Boys
Tom Waits


Here's who I think should go in this year.

Alice Cooper
Neil Diamond
Donna Summer
Beastie Boys
Donovan
Tom Waits
Dr. John
Laura Nyro

Posted by Greg F. on Thursday, 12.2.10 @ 12:12pm


I am fairly certain that two of the seven inductees in the Performers category will indeed be Donna Summer and Chic. We have already inducted them in our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall project; it only seems fair that Donna Summer and Chic be inducted as soon as can be, and in the same induction class.

The five artists I would add, and should be inducted, are Alice Cooper, Tom Waits, Dr. John, Donovan, and Neil Diamond. Of those five, I believe that Neil Diamond and Alice Cooper will certainly be inducted. I will say that the three artists that will be inducted to complete the seven Performers inductees will be Bon Jovi, Darlene Love, and Beastie Boys. In any case, all three of the aforementioned acts have been inducted in our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall project. To some varying degree or another, they are well deserved of induction.

Darlene Love, I think, will be inducted in order to showcase the doo-wop r&b era. Beastie Boys will be inducted to represent alternative rock: it should also include hip-hop, though I am of the opinion that LL Cool J is more deserving of the honor. As for Bon Jovi: they are the biggest act to draw a huge amount of tickets, publicity, and advertising revenue.

I am fairly certain that Doug Morris will be inducted as a non-performer. I do think that more important innovators should be given a non-performer induction, though. Quincy Jones is the one person that comes to mind.

Well, these are the artists i believe should be inducted, and those who will be inducted. We will know soon enough whom will be getting the honors.

Not ever having posted a phrase of nonsense,

Lax27

Posted by Lax27 on Thursday, 12.2.10 @ 15:23pm


FWIW,
I think the inductees will be:

Alice Cooper
Bon Jovi
Tom Waits
Donna Summer
Neil Diamond
Dr. John

I think they should be:

Alice Cooper
Neil Diamond
Donovan
LL Cool J
Donna Summer
Chic

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12.3.10 @ 08:39am


what constitutes LL Cool J to be RnR ?????????
this is a prime example of how ignorant the HOF is at branching away from what should be considered rock music. even if LL was the last artist left who hasn't gotten inducted he shouldn't even get it. my ideal HOF induction for 2011 is
Alice Cooper
Donovan
J.Geils Band
Dr. John
Joe Tex
Donna Summer
Neil Diamond
i pray that they at least get it right this year

Posted by danny on Saturday, 12.4.10 @ 17:48pm


Once again, it's "rock and roll" music, which is more than just "rock" music... as in "classic/arena" rock. Rap is a form of rock and roll music. And LL Cool J is an influential artist, not to mention one of the first solo superstars of hip-hop.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.4.10 @ 18:36pm


When are the inductees usually announced?

Posted by Greg F. on Saturday, 12.4.10 @ 18:51pm


This reminds me, it seems that the "rap isn't rock" crowd seemed a little lighter, overall, this year.

I hope it's a trend that continues next year.

Posted by DaeinRG on Saturday, 12.4.10 @ 20:10pm


Greg, should be this month sometime.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.4.10 @ 20:13pm


Nothing is Rock.

Posted by Chalkie on Saturday, 12.4.10 @ 20:38pm


Yeah, I suppose.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 12.4.10 @ 21:49pm


"my ideal HOF induction for 2011 is
Alice Cooper
Donovan
J.Geils Band
Dr. John
Joe Tex
Donna Summer
Neil Diamond"

Wait... what? Rap isn't rock, but disco is? I think you should go have a lie-down.

My ideal induction would be:

Alice Cooper
Beasties
Chuck Willis
Donna Summer
Tom Waits
Chic
Neil Diamond OR Joe Tex OR Dr. John (doesn't really matter which)

I think it'll be:

Alice
Bon Jovi
Beasties
Diamond
J. Geils
Chic
Waits OR Dr. John OR Willis OR Tex

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 12.5.10 @ 05:54am


Chicago has been in the business for over 40 years. I have waited to see them get the respect they deserve. Chicago NOT being inducted has a lot of people ( fans like me ) really upset. We are pleading with the Hall OF Fame to please Induct Chicago into their rightfull place in history. PLEASE !

Posted by Jennifer on Monday, 12.6.10 @ 02:12am


Okay, I'm really bored now. Just announce the inductions already, so I have something to discuss. I'm coming down from 2 pints, a glass of Jack and Coke and a bottle of Smirnoff Ice, that's why I typed that.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 12.8.10 @ 11:20am


Who says you have to come down? Jack's calling All Aboard the No. 7 Train!

One of these days, I'm going to get around to telling you how you're selling Pantera short. I doubt it'll be today though.

Posted by Ralph on Wednesday, 12.8.10 @ 11:27am


Stumbled across this, http://rockhall.com/pressroom/announcements/2011-inductee-announcement/

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 12.8.10 @ 12:25pm


http://rockhall.com/pressroom/announcements/2011-inductee-announcement/

One week from now, the 2011 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees will be announced on www.rockhall.com. Be sure to check the website Wednesday, December 15 at 10:30 a.m. EST to see who will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2011. View Inductee bios, photos, essential songs and more.

Nominee ballots were sent to more than 500 voters, who selected the artists to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at the 26th Annual Induction Ceremony on March 14, 2011 at the Waldorf-Astoria in New York City. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony will be televised live on FUSE, Madison Square Garden’s national music television network.

To be eligible for nomination into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, an act must have released its first single or album at least 25 years prior to the year of nomination. This year’s nominees had to release their first single no later than 1985.

For the latest information on announcements, ticket packages, events, and other programs at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, Ohio, fans can sign up for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame newsletter at rockhall.com/e-newsletter and follow the Rock Hall on Facebook and Twitter.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.8.10 @ 12:49pm


Thank you for the posting of the induction announcement, Chalkie and Roy.

We,, December 15th is one full week away. I think I have an idea as to why this is happening. I would not be surprised to learn that the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Class Of 2011 inductees (or their surviving loved ones) have been, or are soon going to be informed of their inductions to come. The December 15th announcement may include, if the circumstances are right, a press conference to perhaps have the media field questions to a new inductee; this happened with Metallica when the Class of 2009 was announced. Of the 15 Performers finalists, 1 act gets tremendous press coverage in all areas of their endeavors.

Based on these facts and probabilities, it seems to me that one of the inductees for 2011, and the act involved in any press conference if such a thing happens, will be Bon Jovi. For a band that receives and seeks lavish attention and sales, this should not come as a surprise. Yet again, I would have waited for Bon Jovi to be inducted, for a few years. Inevitably, an induction for Bon Jovi was coming at some point in the near future.

We shall know by next week whom are the inductees. Afterwards, it will be on to more pressing issues, both for the website, and the induction to come and future inductions.

An owner and proprietor of the entire Beatles catalog in stereo and dvd form:),

Lax27

Posted by Lax27 on Wednesday, 12.8.10 @ 18:58pm


It could be alice cooper this year because many of his fans has been waiting for this for over 10 years.

Bon Jovi is in Australia and if it is like how Lax27 explained it, then bon jovi can not make it to the press conference

lets not forget about LL cool J and Beastie boys too

Posted by the icebox on Wednesday, 12.8.10 @ 20:41pm


They didn't do this for the class of 2010, they didn't held a news conference about the inductees or did they just announce the inductees. I am sorry, I truly do not get the rock n roll hall of fame

Posted by The icebox on Wednesday, 12.8.10 @ 20:46pm


"Who says you have to come down? Jack's calling All Aboard the No. 7 Train!"

It's no fun coming down from a giddy euphoria: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DikWW4pOehk

"One of these days, I'm going to get around to telling you how you're selling Pantera short. I doubt it'll be today though."

Pantera were a great group. I think I may have told some people off for giving them too much credit (though I can't remember right now), but I don't think I ever denied what they accomplished. Perhaps you think I've been selling their chances short; if so, that would be because if Sabbath had to wait a decade and Priest, Maiden, Ozzy, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy and Deep Purple can't get on the ballot, then how can a really brutal group have good chances? Even when the Hall does induct a band with balls (as they may do with Alice Cooper next week) then it still takes them awhile to do so. Considering their awful track record with heavy stuff, I think even Metallica would've been kept out if not for their crossover success. I view the chances of Slayer, Megadeth and others in the same light. Next person to call Rush and KISS the two biggest omissions won't live to see another day.

Oh well, maybe if Alice gets in next Wednesday that could be a turning point.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 12.9.10 @ 03:17am


Our 2011 inductee predictions:
http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog.php#unique-entry-id-245

* Alice Cooper
* Beastie Boys
* Bon Jovi
* Neil Diamond
* Darlene Love
* Donna Summer

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Thursday, 12.9.10 @ 21:35pm


Our 2011 inductee predictions:
http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog.php#unique-entry-id-245

* Alice Cooper
* Beastie Boys
* Bon Jovi
* Neil Diamond
* Darlene Love
* Donna Summer

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Thursday, 12.9.10 @ 21:35pm


I guess you are forgetting about the Leonard Cohen/Bobby Womack/Jimmy Cliff factor in Tom Waits, Dr. John and Laura Nyro.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.10.10 @ 04:46am


there is no way that donna summer and/or darlene love should be inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame, my prediction is that donovan and either j geils baand or tom waits will replace those two, i mean, its embarassing to want these disco artists in which clearly they arent rock at all, instead of putting artists such as donovan and j geils band instead, hopefully those assholes who vote for this so-called rock and roll hall of fame, get it right, so that we all can be happy about this class and future classes as well. anyway, my final predictions for the class of 2011 are:

alice cooper
beastie boys
bon jovi
neil diamond
donovan
j.geils band
and tom waits

Posted by chris on Friday, 12.10.10 @ 08:16am


And nwo to keep eyes open for anyone that leaks information. Kind of a gutsy call, imo, FRL, but then again, my predictions have been so poor lately that you're likely to better than me.

But where did you get the instructions to vote for only five? I thought Bream said they got to choose up to eight. Just curious.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 12.10.10 @ 16:33pm


Bream was speculating (ballots hadn't been issued when he wrote that). Another voter confirmed the "vote for five" instructions later (which is why our poll switched back).

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Friday, 12.10.10 @ 20:16pm


I think those predictions are pretty good, except that you picked six, not five. Sorry to be picky.

If it's five, I'll go:

Bon Jovi
Alice
Beasties
Neil Diamond
Donna Summer

Which do almost mirror your picks, and has three of the people I would pick if I could vote. I wouldn't have an issue with Diamond, but I'd replace him with Tom Waits and Bon Jovi with Chuck Willis. Beastie Boys getting in would make LL Cool J a lock for induction in the next couple of years. Summer would kill the disco elephant, show they're still keeping up with R&B and would kill the electronic music elephant. Hopefully the latter would lead to Kraftwerk getting back on the ballot, and/or lead to Depeche Mode finally getting a nomination. I'd put New Order in before DM, but that's going to take awhile, if it happens at all. Neil Diamond would lead to more singer-songwriters in, some deserving, some maybe not. Alice would be a major weight off their chest, and could get them to do better with Hard Rock. If they get passed over for Bon Jovi and J. Geils I'll have lost all remaining faith in those 500 voters. Finally, Bon Jovi. At the very least, this could drag them (kicking and screaming) towards the 80's. Granted, some of them (Faith No More, Sonic Youth, The Smiths) are tricky propositions, but this Commitee isn't such a bunch of old geezers that they can keep passing up Depeche Mode, Stevie Ray Vaughan and The Cure, right? (Knock on wood.) What do I see them doing with the 80's? Well, Guns 'n' Roses and Public Enemy are locks further down the line, as are Nirvana, Green Day and Nine Inch Nails (but they're primarily 90's bands, so I considered not mentioning them). The three I mentioned (DM, SRV and The Cure) will get in eventually, it'll just take awhile. Soundgarden and Jane's Addiction probably will, they'll just take awhile as well. N.W.A. are probable. Red Hot Chili Peppers are locks, as are the Beasties and LL Cool J, one of whom will get in this year.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 05:24am


Leaked List:

Alice Cooper
Neil Diamond
Darlene Love
Dr. John
Tom Waits

Interesting list. I was pulling for Diamond and Cooper so if this holds up I'll be very pleased. And while I do support the eventual induction of Bon Jovi, I'm happy they're not allowing them to leapfrog so many others. Kinda mad the Beasties and Donna Summer seem to be having trouble breaking the glass ceiling, but the committee is pretty boneheaded to put 2 disco and rap acts on the ballot at the same time. But seriously, what the hell is up with Darlene Love? isn't she better suited for the non-performer category?

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 09:29am


*better suited for the sideman catergory

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 09:34am


Does Melinda Newman of the Hit Fix website have connections to anyone from the Rock Hall? I think these leaks are done on purpose every year. The Rock Hall doesn't give a damn! So what!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 09:45am


If Darlene Love is finally being inducted you can thank all the acts who were inducted in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, who's votes gave Darlene Love that extra push.

Thanks to The Ronettes, Patty Smith, Leonard Cohen, Gamble & Huff, The Dave Clark Five, The Ventures, John Mellencamp, Little Anthony & The Imperials, Bobby Womack, Wanda Jackson, The Hollies, The Stooges, Genesis, Jimmy Cliff and ABBA.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 09:56am


If this is true...

Alice Cooper & Neil Diamond -- not huge fans, but solid choices. Diamond's been around a long time and has written some great songs, and the Cooper band has put out some pretty good albums.

Dr. John & Tom Waits -- Love these choices. LOVE them. Fitting that two such similar artists should go in together. Maybe Old Tom's induction opens the gate for more alternative artists.

Darlene Love -- Baby Van Zandt gets his bottle. A great singer and would have been an excellent sideman inductee, Love's career on record is sorely lacking in HOF quality. Second year in a row that Van Zandt keeps stagnating the waters of the HOF.

Posted by Chalkie on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 09:59am


Here is the actual quote from hitfix:

3) Class of 2011 (not ranked): What do Neil Diamond, Alice Cooper, Tom Waits, Dr. John and Darlene Love all have in common? They are the inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2011. See Alice, school is never really out.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 10:01am


So why no leak about the Non-Performer inductees?

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 15:59pm


Chalkie, I gotta disagree big time with you. Dr. John is EASILY the least deserving name on the ballot. He's talented, but his influence is only in the piddly-s*** subgenre of zydeco and anything sub-sub-genre with tinges of New Orleans. Darlene Love's career in terms of hit singles stacks up equally against Dr. John's. As a Performer, it was her voice that solidified the sound not only the Phil Spector wall of sound (how the singers needed to sing out as well as strong female vocalists to come.

I'm happiest that I got Neil Diamond and Tom Waits correct. With a larger pool to choose from, getting the right 5 is harder and harder, and I got 2 right, which is how many I got last year with only 12 candidates.

And it turns out my battle of words comes to a draw with mrxyz who said Waits wouldn't make it while Dr. John would. I said Waits in, and the Doctor was out. Both our picks get in, so it ends in a draw.

Glad that Diamond got in. And Alice Cooper. Love them both. But really stoked for Darlene Love. Absolutely deserving.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 16:36pm


Argh, I was so impassioned that I went epic fail on grammar.

I also forgot to mention that it wasn't just Little Steven, but Dave Marsh, who is on the opposite side of the spectrum of the pre/post-art argument as Little Steven was also pulling for Darlene Love. She had people on both sides pulling for her. I'm only surprised it didn't happen last year.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 16:39pm


And Roy... no leak about the N-P inductees because we're probably the only ones who even care about them.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 16:46pm


If this list is true I have three of the five right.I got Neil Diamond, Alice Cooper, & Tom Waits right.

Posted by Greg F. on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 18:07pm


The thing that bothers me, if this is a complete list, is that they could only come up with five inductees out of 15 mostly deserving nominees.

I'm thrilled about Alice, Waits and Dr. John, indifferent about Diamond and staunchly in the "not feeling it" camp with Darlene Love, but this just feels like a really flat, incomplete class.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 19:01pm


I agree with the incompletion. Why nominate 15 if you're only going to induct 5? But that's what they did in '05 and '06, so I'm not surprised, just disappointed.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 19:24pm


Why only 5? It could at least be 7. I think with another "big name" (BJ or Beasties, take your pick) and maybe another pick (Donna Summer, Chuck Willis etc.) this class would feel like an actual class. Now, despite the triumphs of Alice Cooper, Tom Waits, and Neil Diamond (and Dr. John I guess, I'm indifferent to him), this class has left alot of us asking for more.

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 19:28pm


I'm thinking a lot in the same direction, Jim.

I'd say put Donna Summer in the Darlene Love spot (that keeps the spot with a female artist, and one who's more deserving of a Performer induction in my opinion), bump Love to Sideman, where she's unquestionably deserving, and add in the Beastie Boys for a big name, a rare acknowledgment that the 80s happened and another Hip hop inductee.

That's a class that I'd feel good about.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 19:46pm


I just think it sucks how badly the hall has dropped the ball on hip-hop. I, for once, blame it on the musicians who can vote. Money bets since most of them are all old fogeys or not really pro hip hopers they are all opposed to it or don't care and their votes are almost entirely driven by critics. (The irony of alot of those people passing over the Beasties is that they actually play their own instruments unlike most, so they really are a rock band by definition.)

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 20:03pm


Ugh. It's just awful that we're thinking of Darlene Love as just a Side-Man. She probably did sing a lot of back-up, but being a member of the Blossoms and of Bobb B. Soxx And The Blue Jeans is not "back-up work", and having her (Blossoms') rightful credit given to the Crystal on "He's A Rebel" doesn't make her a "session musician" either. That was just stealing from her. The songs that are credited to just her... give them a serious listen. Nothing by the Crystals or Ronettes was as powerfully or soulfully delivered as the songs that she got her proper credit for, like "Wait Till My Bobby Gets Home" and "(Today I Met) The Boy I'm Going To Marry." Her hit singles were few, but they were incredibly powerful. Unquestionable musical excellence.

I really, really hope this leak is correct. Darlene Love is an amazing artist and deserves this honor.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 20:38pm


The 2011 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees have been posted on WikiLeaks!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 20:56pm


The 2011 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees have been posted on WikiLeaks!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 20:56pm
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LOL. Well played, Roy. I actually had to go and check.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 01:38am


Jesus, only 5? Beastie Boys and Someone else could of easily made this a respectable 7. I'm sure the hall hates the 80's for the most part.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 04:40am


"Bon Jovi
Alice
Beasties
Neil Diamond
Donna Summer"

Those were my picks. IF this leak is correct, then that means I only got two right. Bad.

My two cents, if this is true:

-I'm thrilled about the Alice pick. I'm not as big a fan as some are, but this is terrific news. If this is true, then a great way to cap off the weekend (no I didn't go completely crazy with the family; maybe next year), and a great present. Perhaps now the Hall can bulk up on their Hard Rock. I'm also holding the 500 voters accountable here; 6 times they passed over The Stooges before the death of Ron Asheton made them feel guilty enough to finally get it done. They also ignored Sabbath several times as well.

-I'm not a fan of Diamond or Waits, but I can't really raise any objections to these picks. I'm indifferent about Darlene Love and Dr. John, but it is what it is. Perhaps Love's induction will push Donna Summer or Chic over the finishing line next year, but more on that in a minute.

-The 500 voters seem to be fighting against the youth's music, passing over both LL Cool J and the Beasties. Mind you, considering the rap bias it's STUPID to put two rappers on the ballot together. The Hall seems to be struggling with rap. The only time where they nailed it was Run DMC. Grandmaster Flash technically didn't get in, or rather they wouldn't have gotten in if all the votes had been turned in on time, and now this.

-Similarly, they keep nominating Donna Summer and Chic together, and they keep getting passed over. The definition of insanity: Trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. They're going to keep nominating both until they get in, so it's probably going to happen eventually.

-Laura Nyro may have a chance next year, now that (supposedly) two of her competition are out the way.

-Fear not, Bon Jovi fans, their day will come eventually. I guess it was them vs. Neil Diamond for selling tickets. Maybe next year.

-I totally agree that only 5 inductees a year is not enough.

-Homework for the Hall for next year: Alternative, Prog and Rap (assuming this is true), areas that went ignored this year.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 06:39am


If they were to do 5 acts next year and as Sam said decided to focus on alternative Prog and rap these are the people I think would be good choices
2 prog, 2 alternative, 1 rap

Yes
ELP
Sonic Youth
Stone Roses
Beastie Boys

If they were to do 7 then add Pixies and LL Cool J

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 07:00am


Why only 5? It could at least be 7.

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 19:28pm


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Because if it was 7, then it would resemble what we've done over here w/the Revisited/Projected project. And we all know, of course, that us peons can't be looked to for anything valuable in the way of creative thought now, can we? (lol)

Make sure to silence the folks in the cheap seats...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 08:09am


Pixies aren't eligible until 2012. If you want that to be an alternative slot then replace them with Husker Du. Good choices otherwise. No way it'll ever happen (The Stone Roses have no chance, I think having two rappers there at once would just split the vote and leave them both out and two prog bands would be more than they could handle), but I'm fine with it. There is a rap backlog, but it's not as big as the alternative, Hard Rock and prog backlogs. Deal with each one at once, rather than rushing one. How about:

-Kraftwerk. Previously nominated in 2003. Just get them in already, so that Depeche Mode, New Order, Joy Division and the like can proceed with a clear conscience.

-King Crimson OR Yes OR Procol Harum OR The Moody Blues. The chronological order is Moodies first, PH 2nd, KC 3rd and Yes 4th. They already buggered the chronological thing by putting Genesis in first, so any one of those 4 is fine, then Rush and ELP can proceed in orderly fashion further down the line. We could always hop over to Germany and pick Can instead.

-MC5 (previously nominated in 2003) or New York Dolls (2001) or Deep Purple or Thin Lizzy. Voters asked to choose one. Again, chronology be damned, they already gave that the finger. Assuming this leak is correct and Alice Cooper is now in, that leaves the MC5 as the biggest Detroit omission. The New York Dolls were nominated first, so it wouldn't be too much if a problem if they got in first. Deep Purple might be the biggest Hard Rock omission if Alice is in. Thin Lizzy is less of an issue, I just picked them because they're often unfairly overlooked and because I'm going to Ireland for Christmas. Pick one of them. I don't really care, just get one of the heavy omissions dealt with next year. They're on a bit of a roll if Alice is in: Metallica in on the 2nd try and Jeff Beck finally inducted in 2009, The Stooges finally in and KISS nominated in 2010, and now apparently this. Keep the momentum going. Right, we've got the root of synth-pop and electronic music (Roxy Music needs to be in next), a prog band and a heavy band. Time to tackle alternative.

-I could go with Gang of Four, a left-field pick who Rolling Stone kind of dig. I could be lazy and go with the Chili Peppers, Depeche Mode or The Cure. I could go with Joy Division. The Stone Roses is a good pick. Happy Mondays deserve serious consideration as well. Sonic Youth, Husker Du, The Replacements. The Jesus & Mary Chain or My Bloody Valentine. Faith No More are better than RHCP in my opinion and defy categorization. Black Flag, to kick off hardcore. Somebody just pick one, just make sure to run it by me first.

-Beastie Boys OR LL Cool J OR Afrika Bambatta OR Donna Summer OR Chic OR the new-comers, Eric. B & Rakim (500 voters forced to pick one). I don't care which, just pick one. Shoot the elephant (the one in the room, of course; I like elephants really). Any one of those would getting in would be a victory.

5 a year isn't nearly enough, but that's a start. If it was 7 add The Miracles and another Hard Rock band. If 8 add Stevie Ray Vaughan. Thoughts?

If 5, then in 2012:

-A rap act, anyone
-Roxy Music (the only eligible Immortal not yet nominated)
-Pixies (get a new one)
-One of the aforementioned prog bands not chosen by the voters (replace chosen one with Can, and voters again asked to choose one)
-One of the aforementioned heavy bands not chosen by the voters (replace the chosen one with Judas Priest, and voters again asked to choose one). If 7, pick one of the industrial pioneers and The Melvins. If I can pick 8, add on Soundgarden (too much heaviness for one stage).

2013:
-Massive Attack (get a new one in)
-Repeat the prog formula, and replace 2012 chosen one with ELP, I don't care which.
-Repeat the Hard Rock formula, and replace 2012 chosen one with KISS.
-An alternative act
-You know that rap and disco thing I came up with for 2011? Do that again, and replace the 2011 chosen one with N.W.A.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 08:48am


I heard that the inductees were leaked here:

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/the-beat-goes-on/posts/music-power-rankings-train-rolls-to-the-top



Is this valid? Please reply.

Posted by Dr. W on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 09:48am


Oh, by the way. On the list it is #3 wher you see the apparent inductees.

Posted by Dr. W on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 09:50am


"Dr. John is EASILY the least deserving name on the ballot. He's talented, but his influence is only in the piddly-s*** subgenre of zydeco and anything sub-sub-genre with tinges of New Orleans."

What an ignorant rant.

Posted by Chalkie on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 09:53am


Ignorant how? I won't refute the rant part. But where on earth do you hear influences of Dr. John in later artists? Short or long term will do fine. I'll give that he's a talented musician, but his music just does not impress me. And besides, what modern acts do we really hear Creole/Cajun/voodoo influences? Your argument would be better bolstered if you were to name artists that actually have/had national circulation, whether indie or mainstream (and yes, many indie artists do get national circulation and airplay on college radio).

I won't deny that I'm perhaps jaded by my own personal distaste for his output (and I especially hate "Right Place, Wrong Time"), but I really don't hear his influence in other artists. And I'm sorry, but I *DO* consider zydeco to be a rather fringe subgenre.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 11:39am


I don't think Dr. John can be the least deserving as long as the J. Geils Band are on the ballot. Everyone be grateful ONLY Little Steven got his way this time. God knows Wenner is probably having a heart attack that both Cooper and Diamond got in at the same time.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 12:05pm


Ignorant because you're clearly unaware of either his 1968 album "Gris Gris" or the influence it had on both Psychedelia and all of the other genre's it covered (R&B, Blues, Southern Rock, Voodoo music, etc). CCR, and groups like the Allmans and Little Feat were influenced by him, and clearly Tom Waits is/was. That's not even mentioning more modern jam(ish) bands and southern blues-rock groups like JJ Grey & Mofro. He was/is both innovative AND eclectic (and endlessly so), as opposed to Darlene Love who was/is essentially a one-note artist. Great, she had a few hit singles in the realm of Spector-era girl group/R&B (ironically Dr. John was a key member of the Wrecking Crew). I have an idea, let's go ahead and discredit every artist who dares step outside your narrow realm of taste Philip. I really don't see the problem anyway, it looks like Love got inducted.

Posted by Chalkie on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 12:12pm


J. Geils Band > Bon Jovi

At least in their early 70's heyday JGB were world-class bluesrock/r&b houserockers. Bon Jovi have brought literally nothing to the table but record sales.

Posted by Chalkie on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 12:18pm


"Ignorant because you're clearly unaware of either his 1968 album "Gris Gris" or the influence it had on both Psychedelia and all of the other genre's it covered (R&B, Blues, Southern Rock, Voodoo music, etc). CCR, and groups like the Allmans and Little Feat were influenced by him, and clearly Tom Waits is/was. That's not even mentioning more modern jam(ish) bands and southern blues-rock groups like JJ Grey & Mofro."

That's all well and good, but I think Dr. John's biggest accomplishment was to inspire the name for 1 of the greatest progressive albums of all time, "Brain Salad Surgery" by ELP with the line from "Right Place Wrong Time" that goes "Just need a little brain salad surgery, got to cure this insecurity."

Posted by Arrow Man on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 12:25pm


When it comes to I & I both are weak, but in Bon Jovi's case, most acts who have managed to stay popular and commercially relevant for the entire 25 years are already in the hall. J. Geils can't really measure up to that. If it had been a fairer hall they would've most likely garnered a nomination some time down the road, unlike JGB.

"Bon Jovi have literally brought nothing to the table but record sales"

This has been one of those funny statements that seems to get repeated on here. I must ask: Didn't the direction of hair metal/ glam metal change quite a bit after the success of Slippery When Wet? While 1983 was a breakthrough year for pop-metal, I would certainly say that Bon Jovi brought a working class angle to the genre and thus made it more accessible to those who may have been turned off by the excesses of Def Leppard and Motley Crue. Also, how come they are the one 80s band from the pop metal era that can claim to have survived grunge, rap metal, garage rock, pop rap and gangsta rap? They aren't influence and innovation personified, but they are far more relevant than their critics wish to think.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 12:39pm


"both are weak"

... and undeserving

"but in Bon Jovi's case, most acts who have managed to stay popular and commercially relevant for the entire 25 years are already in the hall"

Largely untrue, and also, "commercially relevant" is almost an oxymoron... ALMOST.

"J. Geils can't really measure up to that."

Well, seeing as how commercial success is largely irrelevant, both bands are equal in the influence and innovation categories. So then, taking this into consideration, early Geils was unequivocally better than ANY Bon Jovi, therefore -- Geils > Bon Jovi, which = more than measuring "up to that".

"If it had been a fairer hall they would've most likely garnered a nomination some time down the road, unlike JGB."

In regards to hair/pop metal the Hall has been more than fair.

"I must ask: Didn't the direction of hair metal/ glam metal change quite a bit after the success of Slippery When Wet?"

Not really, it's always been a downward spiral of crap.

"They aren't influence and innovation personified, but they are far more relevant than their critics wish to think."

And and exponentially further less relevant than fans and supporters wish to think.

Also, I wish you all would stop calling Bon Jovi, Kiss, Motley Crue, Poison, etc, etc "Glam" anything. Glam was essentially New York Dolls, Roxy Music, T. Rex, Bowie (and in the 90s bands like Suede) who's music bore no stylistic or thematic resemblance to those abominations.

Posted by Chalkie on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 13:30pm


"I just think it sucks how badly the hall has dropped the ball on hip-hop."

You're actually quite astute in this respect. The Hall has dropped the ball here, but the fact that they've inducted 2 hip hop acts is a major positive sign for that genre, as opposed to 70's/80's american and british underground, which have almost no inductees in proportion to the time they have been eligible.

Posted by Chalkie on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 13:38pm


"Also, I wish you all would stop calling Bon Jovi, Kiss, Motley Crue, Poison, etc, etc "Glam" anything. Glam was essentially New York Dolls, Roxy Music, T. Rex, Bowie (and in the 90s bands like Suede) who's music bore no stylistic or thematic resemblance to those abominations."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glam_metal

You'll have to take that one up with the people who coined that in the first place.

"In regards to hair/pop metal the Hall has been more than fair."

What constitues fair? The induction of Van Halen? The nominations of KISS and Bon Jovi? How Def Leppard have (according to this site) been previously considered? The fact that Guns N' Roses, despite being about as innovative and influential as Bon Jovi, are a lock next year? Please explain.

"Not really, it's always been a downward spiral of crap."

I really don't enjoy certain genres of music, so does that mean I can dismiss an entire genre and influential acts because I don't like them?

Why can't all these types of bands have their place in music history? Is it really going to kill you if Joy Division AND Def Leppard are in the hall at the same time? Both were quite influential to their respective genres.




Posted by Jim on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 13:55pm


I've checked out most of "Gris-Gris Gumbo" but really don't hear much out of it, but if CCR and the Allmans got something from it, fine and good. But I don't place it on the same level as an album as Thriller, Sgt. Pepper's or Never Mind The Bollocks in terms of groundbreaking.

And for goodness sake, would you please point out either a song or an interview from Waits that indicates Dr. John's influence on him? I spent over 4 hours just looking up various songs from across Waits' career and heard no influence of Dr. John, and from what I've read, he was more inspired by the likes of Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra than contemporary artists. (I'm not upset with you, Chalkie, but I went through this with mrxyz who insisted it was there, and I asked where, and he gave absolutely no example, so I'm just frustrated at being told all this again when I did research on it.)

And I'm not saying my taste should be a guiding principle. I hate Aretha Franklin, Neil Young, James Brown, and I'm not crazy about Hendrix, but I would never EVER say that those artists didn't deserve the induction that they got.

And I'm happy enough with Darlene getting in, but I'm also going to defend her and her deserving for the Hall. I'm not letting anyone toss her in a pile with Percy Sledge. The incredible soul and raw energy (without sounding hoarse or gravelly on top of that which is actually pretty cool) that came out of her voice was earth-shattering. She was before Aretha became more well-known, before Diana Ross sounded full of herself on everything she recorded, before Phil Spector's other artists and session musicians really understood the incredible license they had to be as powerful as possible, Darlene did it, and with soul. Yes we had LaVern, Ruth, Brenda and Wanda before her, but imo, they weren't all that soulful. Darlene brought so much and got so little recognition, even on official levels for what she did. That's why I'm so happy for her. It's almost like karma rewarding her after all this time.

As far as rap goes, yes, there's room for more hip-hop in the hall. I'm not one of those people. If I were a voter, the Beasties would have been one of the five I'd have voted for.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 14:20pm


"I really don't enjoy certain genres of music, so does that mean I can dismiss an entire genre and influential acts because I don't like them?"

There's actually plenty of artists I don't enjoy whom I support for the hall, and plenty of artists already in the hall whose music I don't enjoy, but whose induction I support nonetheless. Does it ever occur to you that I constantly disparage these groups/genres because I firmly view them as insignificant in their own time and place, not to mention in the entire history of music? If I told you I enjoyed them would that make my criticism more legitimate in some way?

Posted by Chalkie on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 14:27pm


Excepet not all of these groups were insignifcant in their time. Take away your belief that pop metal "sucks" for 1 second, and answer me this: Didn't Def Leppard's Pyromania set the template for the clean production and endless hooks of pop metal that NUMEROUS pop metal bands tried to copy in the mid to late 80s? Didn't Motley Crue help start the Los Angeles Hair Metal scene in the early 80s, which manifested itself into one of the mainstream forms of rock and roll through the decade? I understand you hate their music, but at least a couple were siginifcant in "their own time", even if you think that genre blows.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 14:37pm


"I've checked out most of "Gris-Gris Gumbo" but really don't hear much out of it"

Not hearing much out of an album is not a legitimate criticism. Something tells me you "don't hear much out of" Daydream Nation or Pink Flag either. BTW, the album is called just "Gris-Gris"

"But I don't place it on the same level as an album as Thriller, Sgt. Pepper's or Never Mind The Bollocks in terms of groundbreaking."

This is rather obvious, but what's even more obvious is that just because an artist's album isn't as groundbreaking as Sgt. Pepper's doesn't mean that they're undeserving of the hall. Hell, did Darlene Love release even ONE proper-album?

"And for goodness sake, would you please point out either a song or an interview from Waits that indicates Dr. John's influence on him?"

Ummmm, try "Whistlin' Past the Graveyard" or "Anywhere I Lay My Head" for a couple, off the top of my head. And if, in general, you can't hear any influence of Dr. John in Tom Waits than I don't know if I can help you.

Posted by Chalkie on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 14:41pm


For the record Jim, what's your beef with JGB?

Posted by Chalkie on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 14:48pm


"For the record Jim, what's your beef with JGB?"

Lol I actually don't have an issue with J. Geils Band. I do like some of their stuff (Whammer Jammer, Give It To Me), and Centerfold is one of my favorite rock songs of the 80s, but there are MANY bands I would place in front of them as far as being hall worthy, Bon Jovi included. Its also kinda a Chic syndrome, where all these nominations based on favortism is kinda wearing me out on the band.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 14:53pm


Also, I pretty much view them on the same level (but not genre, of course) as bands like Foreigner and Huey Lewis and the News, hard-working, respectable bands who produced some good music, and maybe even a little underrated overall, but really did nothing to stand out from the pack.

But you probably think those groups suck anyway, lol.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 14:58pm


Look, as terrible a genre as Pop Metal was, it still will be recognized. I say either Bon Jovi, Def Leppard or Motley crue should get in.
As for British 80's acts here's who I think should go in
Joy Division/New Order
Depeche Mode
The Cure
Duran Duran
The Human League
Gary Numan

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 15:08pm


"J. Geils Band > Bon Jovi"

Well if this leak is true then neither of them got in. Wenner must be having a fit over that.

"I must ask: Didn't the direction of hair metal/ glam metal change quite a bit after the success of Slippery When Wet?" - Jim

Possibly. However, one has to keep into account that Hysteria was being recorded while Slippery When Wet (which took a few months to build; three months after it's release it was double platinum, which matched the peak of their success to that point) was coming out. That year Poison debuted, and their sound was more polished than most. Ratt was also less raw than the first two Motley albums, and they became stars before BJ (in fact, BJ actually opened for Ratt). Also, Motley Crue became more pop in '85 with Theater of Pain, and they kick-started the trend of power ballads which contributed to killing the scene. Some credit could be due here.

"Not really, it's always been a downward spiral of crap." - Chalkie

That's a subjective statement, and you could say that about any scene if you wanted.

"And and exponentially further less relevant than fans and supporters wish to think." - Chalkie

That's probably true.



Posted by Sam on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 15:24pm


Gah, I keep mixing up the track with the album name. Thanks for the clarification. I couldn't tell you offhand that I've actually checked out Daydream Nation or Pink Flag, but I'm not going to dismiss them out of hand either until I have. I don't think in terms of albums, honestly, because most people don't really do that either. People usually can't name the majority of tracks that come from albums they claim as their favorites. One incident I'll never forget is that of a coworker who didn't know there was a Reprise at the end of Sgt. Pepper's. So, unless it's an artist I really love, I don't memorize which song was from which album. I'm usually pretty content to collect Greatest Hits and Anthologies from a lot of artists. But hey, CCR had to get their swampy sound from somewhere, so I guess Dr. John would make sense. And I love CCR, so eh, ok enough I guess. He still would have been the last artist I'd have checked off on this year's ballot.

I know Love did an album with Ronnie Spector some time ago. But you're starting on the assumption that an artist has to have put out albums to be qualified, which is flat out untrue. She was simply a singles artist at a time when the singles were the dominant medium. You can't condemn her for not putting out "proper albums" when her time was before albums became the preferred format, especially given how much she had trouble even getting her rightful recognition on her singles. Like I said, a big part of my enthusiasm for her is that this is karma giving her what the '60s should have but didn't.

I'll check out those Waits tracks you recommended. My fave Waits track so far, though, has to be "It Wasn't Me, It Was The Piano That Was Drinking"

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 15:24pm


"As for British 80's acts here's who I think should go in
Joy Division/New Order
Depeche Mode
The Cure
Duran Duran
The Human League
Gary Numan"

Fair enough. But my list for who I think SHOULD get in would be a bit longer than that.

"Also, I wish you all would stop calling Bon Jovi, Kiss, Motley Crue, Poison, etc, etc 'Glam' anything. Glam was essentially New York Dolls, Roxy Music, T. Rex, Bowie (and in the 90s bands like Suede) who's music bore no stylistic or thematic resemblance to those abominations." - Chalkie

I believe some people have said the same kind of thing about T. Rex. Some people have this assumption that they were just silly pop music. That's true, actually; Bolan fully intended for his music to be disposable. If you want to say that about Slade, Sweet etc. that's cool (some people have viewed UK glam, with the exception of Bowie and Queen, as style over substance) but some people I've encountered online have viewed T. Rex as insignificant, in spite of the fact that they were still influential after Bolan died (whatever you think about the 80's hairband scene, Chalkie, if you wanted to you could point to it when making an argument for T. Rex and the New York Dolls to be inducted). At the same time as that The Smiths looked up to them. Their influence even extended beyond that, at the very least up to the point of Oasis and Suede. The point is, some of the things that could be said about the 80's scene could be applied to some of the original glam as well, though I believe the term "glam" had more to do with the look than the music itself, since the major players were all doing something different. As for "inconsequential", I see where you're coming from there but someone was on here recently saying that Blur's music was of "little consequence". "Consequential" and "inconsequential" might be subjective to some people.

One thing that's bothered me about the 80's incarnation of Bon Jovi is that they were fakes and bandwagoners back then. They hitched their wagon to something they had nothing to do with, as in they had no glam influences*. Whatever one thinks about Def Leppard and Motley Crue, they were genuine about what they were doing. Motley Crue were heavily influenced by the New York Dolls (and KISS), and apparently "Sheer Heart Attack" is Nikki Sixx's favorite album. He said at one point his plan was to have a band with "the looks of the New York Dolls, the sound of Black Sabbath and songs as good as Mott the Hoople". Def Leppard have made no secret of the Queen influence, and Joe Elliott cut his teeth on them, Bowie, T. Rex, Slade, Sweet and Mott the Hoople.

*In fairness, though, they probably weren't the only ones. AMG has basically indicated that most pop-metal bands were unaware of the roots of glam. Quiet Riot hadn't even heard "Cum on Feel the Noize" or "Mama Weer All Crazee Now" until they were played for them, and even then the plan was to play "Cum on Feel the Noize" badly and then forget about it. DuBrow liked Queen though.

"We weren't Motley Crue or the New York Dolls. We were John Wayne with guitars." - Bobby Blotzer, Ratt

My apologies for rambling. I have a tendency to do so.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 16:23pm


I just missed coming up with at least one answer for us a couple hours ago.

Around 6:00 I was at the movie theatre, standing in line for the 7:00 showing of "Black Swan", reading a magazine, when I glanced up just in time to see Alice Cooper ducking into the auditorium for the 6:05 showing.

Alice Cooper sightings are not unusual living in Phoenix, but I'm really kicking myself for not noticing this one 30 seconds earlier and trying to nail down a confirmation.

The film was spectacular, though, as per usual with Darren Aronofsky.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 21:26pm


Lol so close...I just would've yelled out "DUDE DID YOU GET IN?"

WHY DARIN WHY!?!

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 21:42pm


Well, we still a couple days for one of us to bump into him before the official announcement.

Our best bet is dividing and stalking all of the golf courses in Scottsdale.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 21:53pm


Dont worry guys, I'll alternate my time between all the golf courses in Scottsdale, movie theatres in Phoenix and Cooperstown! He's bound to show up at some point!

jk I have finals.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 22:06pm


It would be best for you to take Cooperstown, the beer prices there would wipe me out pretty fast.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.12.10 @ 22:28pm


Bummer. Apparently he's a nice guy. When I lived in upstate New York his radio show was always enjoyable (also fun to listen to was Dee Snider's "House of Hair" show on Saturday night). If I'm ever in Phoenix I'll definitely go to that restaurant of his.

If I'm ever in Birmingham (which I'm an hour away from) then I'll try and get a Tony Iommi sighting; according to his MySpace page he lives there again now.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 12.13.10 @ 05:39am


They have low beer prices at Cooperstown? Considering Cooper's history with beer I can't help but find this easy access to be ironic.

Posted by Jim on Monday, 12.13.10 @ 06:08am


"I hate Aretha Franklin, Neil Young, James Brown"

...wow...

Posted by Chalkie on Monday, 12.13.10 @ 08:21am


Yeah yeah yeah, I know, it's unusual. But my kind of soul has always been Stax/Volt. Otis Redding, Booker T. And The MG's, Sam And Dave, etc.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12.13.10 @ 09:31am


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog.php#unique-entry-id-245

Roger Friedman, former Fox News columnist and now Hollywood Reporter blogger, reports that Universal Music Group head Doug Morris will be honored in 2011 in the Non-Performers category.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12.13.10 @ 10:28am




"They have low beer prices at Cooperstown?"

No, actually they're a bit pricey. I'd go broke after a few and lose interest in the assignment.

"Bummer. Apparently he's a nice guy."

He's very friendly and accessible. If you catch him while he has a little time and get him going on something that interests him he's a lot like his Wayne's World character.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.13.10 @ 14:20pm


Well, a leak has been brought forth. I do, however, believe this is legitimate.

I do have a concern as to why only 5 inductees have been selected in the Performers category. With 15 finalists, I would have assumed that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation would have added two more inductees, similar to what has gone down in our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall project. And, if two were added, I would think that Donna Summer and Chic would be the honorees to join Neil Diamond, Alice Cooper, Dr. John, Tom Waits, and Darlene Love, plus Doug Morris in the Non-Performers category. Dance-disco-electropop is an important genre of the rock idiom we have all come to acknowledge.

I am pleased that Alice Cooper and Tom Waits have at long last gotten their well-deserved inductions. Neil Diamond, while not entirely in the rock field, is not a bad choice. Indeed, Neil Diamond has the fine amount of street credibility that most adult contemporary artists do not have. Dr. John is also a fine left-field choice. I do not have a problem with Darlene Love being inducted either; I had rather expected Love to have been inducted last year. I still am not certain what great impact Darlene Love has had on her own recordings. Nevertheless, Love was inducted in our Revisited/Projected project, and thus merited an honor in the real Rock Hall.

Congradtulations also go out to Doug Morris. I am certain the wait was well worth the price of admission. Admiitedly, I can think of many great non-performers that should have gotten inducted before Doug Morris. Quincy Jones easily comes to mind.

I must say that the voters did reasonably well in not having Bon Jovi get an immediate induction PDQ. Do not be mistaken: Bon Jovi will be inducted at some point, due in no small part to them being inducted in our Revisited/Projected project. It just might not happen for a year or so.

So, there we have I think, the 2011 inductees for the RRHOF. On to the next phase; who will induct and present whom. Afterwards, we can go full affect on the Song and Album projects, and the induction honors for our Revisited/Projected inducteesa, and by September of next year, a continuation of the Projected Rock Hall for at least the Class of 2027.

As for whom will be inducted in the real Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2012: I guarantee you all that Guns N' Roses will be inducted straight away. I am also of the belief that Peter Gabriel will be inducted on his own accord, as will Donna Summer. I would like to see some important art-rock greats like Yes, Brian Eno, King Crimson, and Rush be inducted. Also, I have advocated an induction for Janet Jackson that will probably come to fruition at least 24 years after "Control" was completed. And, of course, Chic and The Eurythmics and Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) should be inducted. We shall see what happens: I will say that Peter Gabriel, Donna Summer, and Guns N' Roses will be the virtual locks. Possibly Soundgarden too, if the Nominating Committee feels like starting the clock from their demo tapes.

"The Wire" and "Treme" are required viewing,

Lax27

Posted by Lax27 on Monday, 12.13.10 @ 17:17pm


"...I would have assumed that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation would have added two more inductees, similar to what has gone down in our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall project.

Do not be mistaken: Bon Jovi will be inducted at some point, due in no small part to them being inducted in our Revisited/Projected project."

Yeah, I'm sure that they're really paying attention to what we've done here and really taking it to heart.





















In case you didn't guess, that was sarcasm.

Posted by Chalkie on Monday, 12.13.10 @ 20:36pm


Yeah, Lax, I think your logic has not only put the horse before the cart, I think you're hitching them up together in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

Admittedly, I've only done some cursory research on Doug Morris, and I gotta say, I'm not impressed. He wrote a couple songs, founded a record label that got swallowed up by Atlantic records within five years, and then rose up via regular ladder channels. At least, that's the impression I'm getting of him. I'm getting that he didn't found the Universal Music Group, only that he's been in charge of it for a long time, which in itself doesn't really seem much like actually contributing anything that helps shape the evolution of rock'n'roll. If anyone has a different take, please correct me.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12.13.10 @ 21:14pm


Check that.... Big Tree was around for 8 years, not five, before selling to Atlantic.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12.13.10 @ 21:29pm



BTW, someone mentioned "Chic Syndrome" on this thread (I'm not gonna go back and look for it), but incorrectly. Granted "Chic Syndromee" is a term on this board only, but to clarify how Gitarzan and I were originally using the term: Chic Syndrome refers to when an artist has technically proficient records, but their chances are hurt by their lyrics being trite or just tripe. It's not necessarily because of a bias against the genre. If so, you could name it after any prog, hip-hop, or early alternative act. We chose Chic because Chic's the act Git, a few others, and I were discussing in that context when we stumbled upon the term.

Just clarifyin'.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12.14.10 @ 11:08am


http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-2011.html

THE 2011 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

FROM THE DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

OVERVIEW

Another year, another misstep that points to the Hall's growing irrelevance as they stubbornly cling to the belief that Rock 'n' Roll's cultural domain is a bygone era made for and celebrated exclusively by a white male demographic. While the ballot itself this year was thankfully diverse and held promise that the inductees might finally reflect rock's long varied history, the final selections were shamefully one-sided and all too predictable when studying recent voting history. It grows tiresome to write, and certainly repetitive to read year after year, but a Hall Of Fame celebrating a black invention that almost completely ignores black artists and styles of rock, notably disco and rap, can not be said to reflect an accurate portrayal of the genre's history. This year's two most deserving candidates in objective terms, LL Cool J and The Beastie Boys, who helped to popularize and shape rap, the most successful and culturally impactful form of rock music over the past thirty years, were again denied entry and the number of rap performers inducted after nearly a decade of eligibility remain at just two. In their place is offered an icon to aging women whose career rested largely in the adult contemporary pop field, which would be the equivilant in 1986 of leaving out Little Richard and Fats Domino so that Perry Como could get inducted. Harsh maybe, but closer to the truth than the Hall would like you to believe.

One of the ongoing issues that demands attention is why the Hall continues to show its age with its reluctance to look beyond the mid-70's, even though artists who've debuted in the mid 80's are now eligible. Of the five Main Performer Inductees all were recording before Richard Nixon resigned from the fallout over the Watergate scandal in 1974. While the Hall's role is to acknowledge history, they've remained stuck in a time frame that not coincidentally is the era the majority of their voters most closely identify with. As a result in the last decade the Hall's selections have been little more than referendum on their own stylistic preferences and personal favorites. Their ongoing rejection of disco, a style that defined an entire era, brought dancing back into rock after a long absence from the spotlight, and was massively influential on production of all types of rock 'n' roll in subsequent years, exemplifies this bias, as both Chic and Donna Summer failed to gain entry yet again, despite credentials that should make both near automatic selections. The voting body seems oblivious to anything that falls outside their own cultural experience and thus they're in the process of making themselves and the institution irrelevent by ignoring the revolutionary changes of the rock scene since their own coming of age. By dismissing dance-themed music, scoffing at synthesizers and beat-boxes, cringing at hair metal excess and disregarding sampling and rapping, the Hall's voters are effectively trying to wipe out entire chapters of rock history based on their own personal preferences which clearly ran counter to the dominant rock market that existed during this period.

Even when focusing on rock's distant past they almost always miss out on the most deserving and overlooked nominees from long ago, as this year they had the chance to rectify past injustices by inducting legendary 50's singer/songwriter Chuck Willis, and 60's soul star Joe Tex and whiffed on both. All of these omissions once again regrettably bring up the racial issue as virtually of those artists are black, and the Beastie Boys performed in an overwhelmingly black cultural style, and thus are seemingly not on the radar of the predominantly white voting body, something the Hall is reluctant to address, but which becomes all the more alarming with each passing year. Perhaps equally distressing is the growing attention paid to artists with rather thin objective credentials, as evidenced by three fifths of this year's class having almost no commercial success and in some cases only moderate influence, which speaks volumes about the electorate's egotism regarding their subjective evaluation of an artist's merits. It's admirable that there is more than one route into the Hall Of Fame and that artists with less quantifiable achievements are being considered, so the likes of Dr. John, Darlene Love and Tom Waits have a legitimate chance, yet when the objective measurements of other nominees far surpass those more vague credentials and are still left out year after year, then to quote Buffalo Springfield - "There's something happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear".

The Hall Of Fame needs to make it clear. It is obvious that the Hall's nominating committee and voting body have become stagnant and is in desperate need of major overhauling. The same small group of figures can not be responsible for putting forth the names each year for official consideration without it becoming simply a role call of their own tastes, and the larger voting body itself entrusted to elect those candidates must equally represent the full scope of rock history from a cultural and demographic perspective. Diversity is essential, as are younger voters, but most important is simply having knowledgeable and unbiased members who can objectively look at each prospective candidate and vote for those with the best credentials, regardless of their own interest or appreciation of their music. When it becomes far too easy to guess who is going to make it based not on the artists achievements, but rather their era, style, gender and skin color, then the Hall ceases to be the legitimate institution it craves to be.

The 2011 Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame class contains some excellent choices along with some that are downright curious, but when the means in which they are selected becomes the bigger story and overwhelms the focus put on the inductees, then the Hall has once again failed in properly celebrating the artists, musicians and executives careers of those enshrined, and that is probably the greatest sin of all.

MAIN PERFORMER INDUCTEES

Alice Cooper

Of all of this year's inductees, Alice Cooper represents the most obvious choice of an otherwise varied group of names. The group's combination of huge mainstream success, notable influence on the theatrical performance aspect of rock, and an iconic image that makes Cooper himself recognizable across all demographics, seems to touch all of the possible bases for considering an artist's qualifications. Despite this résumé it took Alice Cooper more than a decade and a half after becoming eligible to even be nominated, yet once they were he and the group breezed in on their first time on the ballot. Cooper defined the shock rock style that grew exponentially in the 1970's, yet underneath the elaborate stage show and mascara lay a serious songwriter who tackled tender ballads with equal effectiveness as the boastful anthems that put he and the group on the map. For many it was probably hard to take seriously a makeup wearing artist whose stage histrionics included killing fake babies and beheading himself on a nightly basis, and that image, as recognizable as it became, probably kept many from considering the body of work Cooper built over the years. But at one point Bob Dylan called Cooper his favorite songwriter of the time and Cooper's own devotion to the sounds of his youth, from the immaculate Beach Boys harmonies to the harder rock sounds of the Yardbirds and Who to the bizarre approach of his original mentor Frank Zappa, ensured that Cooper was building off the already solid foundation rock was constructed on. Often their conceptual albums rarely got credit for their concepts and the antics overshadowed the music, but in the end, ironically considering that may be what kept them from being considered before, Cooper's presence guarantees the Hall a flamboyant headliner to grab attention.


Neil Diamond

While most of the other inductees for the Hall Of Fame in 2011 have had trouble capturing the market commercially, Diamond never faced such a problem. Fifty-six hits, 13 Top Ten, more than the other four inductees combined, and three chart toppers makes Diamond unquestionably the most successful artist of this year's class. But in what field? Early in his career Diamond played a folksy-brand of rock, having a few big hits without being fully accepted into the rock 'n' roll revolution that was taking place around him. He was well-respected within the industry for his talents, successful as both an artist and a songwriter, but maybe it was that success penning songs for the Monkees which turned the fledgling rock media against him, and by decade's end it became clear that he was not ever going to be a member of the rock fraternity and so he took on the role of a swaggering lothario who wrote consciously sensitive material along with the easily parodied lingering strut of his earlier work. Throughout the 70's and early 80's he was enormously popular as every lonely housewife's dream man, and his rock credentials, which had once seemed very promising, were now not only non-existent but openly mocked. So it's ironic and somewhat bewildering to consider what possibly may have changed that perception which allowed Diamond, whose Adult Contemporary reign made him the polar opposite of rock 'n' roll during his heyday, to make the cut. As a songwriter, live performer and recording artist his credentials in popular music overall are unquestioned, but as a rocker his moment in the spotlight was short-lived at best. A strange choice and one that speaks to the Hall's voters growing discomfort with modern styles of rock that have long since passed them by.


Dr. John

Few artists in rock history have worn as many hats as Dr. John, from sessionist in the 50's and early 60's and producer for others to an unlikely star as an artist who only stepped into the spotlight as a fluke when the chosen vocalist for a wildly ambitious project of his failed to show. Thus was born Dr. John The Night Tripper, rock's most respected alter-ego, a man who almost single-handedly kept alive the New Orleans gumbo of musical influences throughout the last four decades. His commercial success was brief, yet despite the lack of big hits he remains known to one and all, making him among the first and the most lasting of rock 'n' roll's true underground stars. His musical forays have run the gamut from funk to jazz to blues to most famously the voodoo rock of his classic debut album Gris Gris from 1968, a landmark recording that stretched the conceptual limits of rock's aesthetics. Considering the sheer over-the-top persona created for that project which virtually guaranteed him no mainstream exposure, the fact that he succeeded with it down the road when the musical culture caught up to him, but then refused to rely on it to sustain his career and was able to move so far into other fields of rock and popular music as a whole and become a respected figure who was able to bring attention to bygone styles and artists once far more famous than he ever was, is an incredible tale of perseverance and abiding talent. Dr. John today is as widely admired by fellow artists as anyone and considering his steady presence over five decades in music, his larger than life persona and his diverse catalog, it is amazing it took so long for him to be inducted.


Darlene Love

When discussing the most talented female vocalists in rock history few names loom larger than Darlene Love. However, as an artist, Love never had much of a chance to become widely known to the public. The majority of her work came anonymously, whether substituting for the Crystals on the #1 hit "He's A Rebel", or singing in the ridiculously named Bob B. Soxx & The Blue Jeans on such classics as "Why Do Lovers Break Each Others Hearts", or most often as the leader of the Blossoms, the most in-demand backing vocalists of the 60's for such artists as Duane Eddy, Bobby Darin and Elvis Presley, among many others. Even her most recognizable record, the immortal "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)", never charted and is heard just one month of the year. Had Love, or the Blossoms, just been given a real opportunity to release quality records under their own name chances are they'd be considered among the greatest girl groups ever and their induction as a group would've been a forgone conclusion. But producer Phil Spector at times seemed intimidated by her power and saddled her with themes that took the edge off her, or kept her incognito, and so it was left to rock 'n' roll sleuths over the years to put together their own discography of Love's greatest performances. Not surprisingly those historians include many members of the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame's nominating committee who have pushed her candidacy for years. In a way her induction is refreshing, a singularly talented individual whose own career was subjected by others finally gets rewarded for her ability. Yet in another more technical way it is troubling because her measurable achievements, at least as a stand-alone performer for which she is being credited by the Hall, are somewhat lacking. The sideman category would've been a more suitable fit for her, not because she ever took a backseat to anyone she recorded with, but merely because more often than not that was the role in which she so ably filled and that's by no means a disgrace to be honored for.


Tom Waits

In many ways the 2011 class is a triumph of the unknown, as three of the candidates had little commercial success in the singles market, with Waits having absolutely none. Even his albums, which were lauded for their eclectic nature, creative songwriting and atmosphere, only began to sell widely in recent years, decades after he began his career, and for all of his acclaim as a songwriter, none of his compositions have become major hits for others. Yet among music figures of the past thirty years there aren't many who are as respected by fellow musicians, or critics, as Waits. His stature is so far removed from the general public indifference that it's hard to imagine he's not the star of this year's class. But while it's obvious he's being inducted for the perception of his work among the voting body, his résumé itself is totally unfamiliar to most who listen to music. Ironically, this is probably how Waits wants it. Never adhering to mainstream convention, Waits wrote songs and crafted albums with an almost cinematic touch, creating characters on the outskirts of society with a sharp eye and scathing wit, not something that is meant for hit-oriented radio, so in that sense he achieved his goals. Yet that also makes judging his career objectively almost impossible, as he is without much success and has little influence on the larger rock market. For many his work is seen as the pinnacle of creative individualism and thus deserves recognition for sticking to his vision, so his induction seems long overdue, but for Waits, who almost appeared to want to avoid recognition with his artistic choices through the years, the honor might be the most un-Waits like moment of his career.


SIDEMAN

Leon Russell

One of the most justified criticisms against the Hall Of Fame's nomination and induction process has long been the influence of prominent figures in getting their friends, personal favorites and associates on the ballot and through the door. Of the Main Performers Darlene Love got a huge boost from nominating committee members Dave Marsh and Steve VanZandt, both of whom had lobbied for her induction for years. Joining her in that regard this year seems to be Leon Russell, who ironically worked behind the scenes with Love on Phil Spector's sessions in the 60's where he made his name as a soft-spoken talented pianist who could, and did, play almost any other instrument handed him. His work on those records, as well as on sessions by the Beach Boys, Byrds, Joe Cocker and other 60's rock luminaries, gives him more than enough credentials to be considered on his own. Add to it his songwriting talents, which includes the huge #2 smash for the Carpenters, "Superstar", along with his own solo career starting in the 70's which resulted in nearly a dozen hits, and there's no questioning his legitimacy as an inductee. Yet a recent duet album with Elton John has left many to feel that it was John who pushed hardest for Russell's induction, something that while totally understandable on John's part since Russell is eminently qualified to make it, is nonetheless troubling because it raises more needless questions as to just what benefits artists get from having certain key figures push for their induction. Since Leon Russell is deserving of the honor it will likely be quickly forgotten as to who helped his cause, but it would've been nicer if there was no need for another legendary inductee to make the case for Russell because had the Hall looked at his candidacy from the start he'd have already been inducted years ago.


NON-PERFORMERS

Jac Holtzman

Each year it seems that the Hall Of Fame never fails to induct a record label owner, president or money broker in the Non-Performer category while too often eschewing the dozens of qualified songwriters, dee-jays, producers, arrangers, engineers eligible for that same honor who rarely have the same hefty bankroll as the record company honcho they choose. But in Jac Holtzman's case he might be just as upset by this ongoing oversight as others, for his record label, Elektra, was one of the most innovative and unique companies in America for decades, releasing a wide range of music, particularly in styles that were not deemed commercially promising by the larger labels, such as folk and acoustic blues, flamenco music and even sound effects albums. The company's rock credibility was based largely on the Doors, who put them on the commercial map with a string of Top Ten albums and singles. But they were also home to Love, one of the most acclaimed bands to never make a huge dent in the public's consciousness at the same time, and then they became the ground zero point for the burgeoning punk movement, with the MC5 and Stooges, as well as releasing Nuggets, the acclaimed set of 60's garage rock that showed punk's starting point along with helping to further establish a market for rock obscurities. By the time they signed Queen and saw them become global superstars, Elektra's reputation had already long been made. Holtzman was not just the figurehead of the company, doling out dollars it took to keep it afloat, but was vital in establishing the recording techniques, was among the first in the industry to place an importance on visually artistic covers and more than anyone else embodied the restless musical spirit that defined the label.


Art Rupe

In the Hall Of Fame's first decade or so most of the heads of the independent labels that helped build rock 'n' roll in the 1950's were inducted. Two exceptions stood out, especially when in the years since label-owners with a far smaller role in rock's evolution were put in. Those exceptions were Lew Chudd of Imperial Records, who virtually opened up the New Orleans vein of rock, and Art Rupe of Specialty Records, who oversaw some of the most dynamic rockers of all-time, most famously with the incomparable Little Richard, but also including Larry Williams, Don & Dewey, Jimmy Liggins, Sam Cooke with the Soul Stirrers, Roy Milton, Jesse Belvin and countless others who made huge marks on rock history. Despite this impressive track record somehow Rupe never got in until now. Considering his improbable story, which began with him renting a cigar box on a desk in another's office for two dollars a month to receive orders, to standing in line at night to be the first to secure a pressing plant to manufacture a new record, and in his most celebrated tale using a stop watch to analyze hit records in an attempt to find similarities between them and then incorporate those structures into his own songs, Rupe had perhaps the most ingenuity of all of the independent operators. He also had stubbornness, initially not wanting the 19 year old untested Cooke as the new lead singer of the Soul Stirrers, and then years after Cooke proved even more popular than his legendary predecessor R.H. Harris he didn't want Cooke to leave gospel for rock 'n' roll and promptly let him go to another label. He similarly let Lloyd Price walk after Price came up with a more urbane arrangement than his previous big sellers. The new style Price had found was the perfect fit for the tamed down, more heavily scrutinized, rock field of the late 50's and resulted in huge hits that Rupe missed out on. Yet despite his reluctance to change his approach once it had become successful, it was Rupe who really helped to establish that original successful formula, the one in which rock 'n' roll itself was born in and for that he should've been in long ago.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12.20.10 @ 18:18pm


I think Hall and Oates and Todd Rundgren should be in by now.

Posted by Jackie on Wednesday, 01.26.11 @ 03:44am


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