The 2007 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame announced their 2007 induction class on January 8th.

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2007:

  • R.E.M. (Bill Berry, Peter Buck, Mike Mills, Michael Stipe): In their first year of eligiblity, R.E.M. gets inducted.


  • Van Halen (Michael Anthony, Sammy Hagar, Alex Van Halen, Eddie Van Halen, David Lee Roth): Van Halen finally got on the ballot after four years of eligibility, and the voters quickly voted them now that they had the chance. Note, Gary Cherone didn't make the list.


  • Patti Smith: Smith ends her losing streak and gets in after seven straight years of being nominated.


  • Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five (Kid Creole, Cowboy, Grandmaster Flash, Melle Mel, Mr. Ness, Raheim): Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five become the first rap artists to be inducted into the Hall.


  • The Ronettes (Estelle Bennett, Ronnie Spector, Nedra Talley): The Ronettes had been eligible since 1988, but this was the first year they were on the ballot.

"We couldn’t be more proud to honor this unique, diverse group of rockers, rappers, singers and poets. This is what rock and roll is all about," said Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation President and C.E.O., Joel Peresman.

Notably, there were no inductees in the "non-performer" category this year. The full press release can be found here.

Future Rock Legends and its users correctly predicted four of the five inductees .

The inductees will be honored at the annual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Ceremony on March 12th, 2007.

A list of the nine nominated artists in 2007 can be found here.

This page looks at the artists who first become eligible for next year's ceremony.

Artists are eligible for the Rock Hall 25 years after releasing their first record.


This site is not affiliated in any way with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum or the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation.

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The inductees for 2007 were announced 20 miutes ago on Billboard.com. R.E.M., Van Halen, Patti Smith, The Ronettes, and Grand Master Flash are to be inducted March 12th 2007. The Stooges were robbed yet again.

Posted by Bunny on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 08:42am


Bullshit. No way in hell should the Ronnettes and Grandmaster Flash be in there period, let alone over The Stooges.

Posted by Billy on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 09:14am


Congrats to Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five.. they changed the face of music.. without them there would be no hip hop!! Big up to old School..

Posted by sheila lee on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 10:05am


Congratulations to all who are going to be inducted!

Posted by DL on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 10:57am


GM-Flash+F5: the avalanche begins.

Congrats to the FRH and FRH voters for hitting 4 out of 5 on the first year! Huzzah!

Posted by Fibre on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 11:53am


Well, I was right about the Ronettes, but I was wrong about Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five. Looks like the Stooges will have to wait two more years--next year's line-up is crowded with shoo-ins, starting off with Madonna and Metallica.

Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 13:19pm


Rush, the most unique rock band snubbed again. Enough said!

Posted by Bob on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 13:43pm


Not only did the voters hit four of five, but then one we didn't guess was sixth in the ballot. I guess we got some smart cookies on this board.

Very dissapointed in the Stooges missing out, but for some reason I don't picture Iggy as the sort to care.

Obviously Grandmaster Flash is the pick with the biggest ramifications.

REM and Patti Smith are the ones that get my blood flowing as a fan.

Don't particularly care much for Van Halen, but they're hard to ignore.

The Ronettes? Overcompensating for Phil Spector being a bipolar gun-toting dickweed. But it's not near a travesty in a The Dells sense.

It could've been worse, but it could've been oh so much better. And now we set our eyes to 08, when Madonna, Metallica, and the band for all times, SONIC YOUTH become eligible.

Posted by Kit on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 14:02pm


Still no Grand Funk Railroad. Sure, the critics HATED them, but the fans proved time and time again they didn't give a shit what the critics thought. There is no justice!

Posted by Melodie on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 14:08pm


Still no Kiss, rush, or the stooges.Get on the ball lets get some real bands in hear.GrandmasterFlash?Hardly Rock and Roll

Posted by Lance on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 16:24pm


what a shame that a great 60's band such as The Dave Clark Five did not get voted in.They were a tremendous influence on many artists of that time and their musical talents still shine through today.

Posted by karen on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 16:31pm


When will bands like Rush,Yes,and even Steve Miller get in? Just make sure there is a spot for Slayer in a few years o.k?

Posted by Chris on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 17:08pm


Can someone please tell me why Rush is not in the Hall of Fame? They have 20+ gold albums for Christ's sake! Not to mention they probably inspired a good number of today's musicians.

Posted by Aaron Noe on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 19:52pm


If record sales had anything to do with quality, there'd be loads more bands than Rush clamoring for a spot.

You say they "probably" inspired a lot of modern musicians? Well if you don't know, then don't try to posture.

Posted by William on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 19:54pm


As a testament to Rush's great influence, during the National Championship football game the Florida Marching Band was playing "2112". Can you imagine that? Rush has been around for 30 years and they STILL tour. The fact that they are not in the RRHF is a crime.

Posted by Aaron Noe on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 21:47pm


I've heard marching band versions of Lido Shuffle by Boz Scaggs before. I don't see a glut of petitions for Boz to get in the hall.

Status Quo has been touring for 40 years, the Stones for 45. The Beatles only toured for 4 years. What does legnth of touring prove other than "hey, these guys don't know what else to do with themselves"?

Posted by Kit on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 22:15pm


Dave Clark 5 was such an influence on the Van Halen brothers that it would have been nice if they'd made the cut too. Just for sentimental reasons.

Posted by Henry M. on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 22:18pm


It's kinda fun to guess who the artists will choose to present them on the night of induction. Here are some early projections:

Van Halen --> Gene Simmons or Ted Templeman
R.E.M.--> Mitch Easter or Scott Litt
Patti Smith --> Lenny Kaye or Clive Davis
Grandmaster --> Chuck D
Ronettes --> Bruce Springsteen

Any other suggestions?

Posted by Henry M. on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 22:31pm


The big drama leading up to the ceremony, of course, will be the Van Halen configuration that night. My guess is that Roth and Hagar will split the duties (two songs each) but neither will share the stage with each other. No Gary Cherone. I think Michael Anthony will play bass on three songs, with Eddie's 15-year-old son Wolfgang playing on the other one. Projected setlist: Eruption/You Really Got Me/Right Now/Finish What Ya Started/Jump

But I'm not a betting man.

Posted by Henry M. on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 22:49pm


From the poll at:
http://www.rateitall.com/t-2529-deserving-of-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame.aspx
(# indicates where they were on this poll at the time of their induction announcement): Van Halen (1), R.E.M. (13), Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five (86), The Ronettes (89), Patti Smith (79).
The new top 20:
Rush
Yes
Chicago
Genesis
Deep Purple
Moody Blues
Alice Cooper
Doobie Brothers
Carole King
The Cars
Peter Gabriel (solo)
Dire Straits
Jethro Tull
Kiss
John Mellencamp
Steve Miller
Heart
Pete Townshend (solo)
The Hollies
Electric Light Orchestra

Posted by Garrett on Wednesday, 01.10.07 @ 08:02am


Well once again its a slap in the face because kiss, judas priest and deep purple or bands that been around for ever havent been picked for this year. Kiss helped out vanhalen when they got started in this bussiness. Judas priest being the medal gods that they are should be there ,so this should be hall of shame no respect here !!! or for them.

Posted by Dale on Wednesday, 01.10.07 @ 22:32pm


I would be really happy if Deep Purple made it in. I'm indifferent toward Judas Priest, and could care less about Kiss ever getting a spot.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 01.10.07 @ 23:56pm


Still pissed to see that Jeff Beck hasn't been inducted yet. I guess helping invent hard rock isn't good enough, not to mention being one of the greatest guitarists alive.

Posted by steve on Friday, 01.12.07 @ 14:19pm


still pissed that judas priest, motorhead, i8ron maiden, def leppard, deep purple, rush have been ignored.

that are a millioned times better than crappy ronette or no singer miles davis

Posted by martin on Friday, 01.12.07 @ 22:07pm


Man i was so pissed to see iron Maiden not make it but whats up with Grandmaster Flash not rock and roll If the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is going to start inducting Hip Hop artists then it should Change its name to the Music Association Hall of Fame


HERES TO HOPING METALLICA IRON MAIDEN DEEP PURPLE RUSH JUDAS PRIEST KISS AND DEF LEPPARD GET IN SOON

Posted by Andy on Tuesday, 01.16.07 @ 07:37am


I agree that bands like motorhead, Priest, and Maiden deserve a spot in the hall, and in the future they will get in (Sabbath got in (eventually) others will follow suit, but these artists (except for the Ronettes who I've never really heard of) have had an influence on rock, even Grand Master Flash (Hip Hop has its place in rock and roll history too. it has its roots in rock & roll and funk after all). i still think the stooges should have gotten in, but they will soon enough, as will artists like MC5,Motorhead, and Alice cooper.

Posted by drp on Tuesday, 01.16.07 @ 11:21am


It will be interesting to see what happens in the next three or four years. Very few groundbreaking acts become eligible. Will the R&R HOF start inducting its backlist of currently eligible acts then?

Posted by Gary on Wednesday, 01.17.07 @ 14:38pm


C'mon van halen ,half there songs were covered.To put them in ahead of bands like genesis and def leppard is sick.This is why nobody really cares about this event each year.

Posted by J DOG on Friday, 01.19.07 @ 10:11am


Why did REM make it their first year while Patti Smith and VAN HALEN took years? What kind of a farce is this place? I don't give them any credibility.

How many people will care about REM in ten years. Think their records will still sell then? They won't.

Piss off REM

Posted by Bruno on Wednesday, 01.24.07 @ 01:02am


ABBA. enough said, what a travesty that one of the greatest groups of all time has not yet made the Hall?!?! Their range of style is truly a wonder, covering the gamut of musical styles of the 60's, 70's and 80's. And they made music videos well before MTV ca,e along. Please enough, induct ABBA into the Hall.

Posted by RONALD BROKER on Friday, 01.26.07 @ 15:43pm


they only 8had nine nomines last year they should have had 16
stooges
R.E.M
Genesis
Iron Maiden
Judas priest
Motorhead
Def Leppard
Van Halen
Rush
Patti smith
Duran Duran
Yes
grand master flash

Posted by martin on Saturday, 01.27.07 @ 19:19pm


Neil Peart is simply the greatest drummer who has ever lived. Would anyone argue that fact? For that reason alone RUSH deserves to get in.

I've been to hundreds of concerts, and the only time I see more air-drums than air-guitars are at RUSH Shows.

Geddy and Alex are great too.

Geddy's vocals are an acuired taste for sure, but these guys should be shoo-ins. It's really a joke that they keep getting snubbed.

Posted by JoeBlack429 on Monday, 01.29.07 @ 09:11am


[Neil Peart is simply the greatest drummer who has ever lived. Would anyone argue that fact?]

I would and have.

Posted by William on Tuesday, 01.30.07 @ 00:22am


Rush has 22 consecutive gold records, and is fourth behind The Beatles, The Stones, and Kiss in all-time gold record acquisitions for a band. Fourteen of those albums have gone platinum.
--Rush has inspired such bands as Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, The Tragically Hip, Smashing Pumpkins, Primus, Queensryche, and many more.
And your arguement against Neil Peart as best drummer in the world since Buddy Rich died is what william? Have you even listened to Rush?
Quality and skill have not diminished a bit over the years. They follow no trends and put out unique, creative music every album.You can actually listen to every song on an album. I can't even think of any new band that can claim that!
Rush is loved all over the world. 30,000 fans actually singing, yes singing Rush's instrumental YYZ on the Rush in Rio Album should show that they are what all rock bands strive to be.

Posted by Scott Engeseth on Tuesday, 01.30.07 @ 20:13pm


Ah, the classic "You disagree with my fanboyish opinions on Band X therefore you must not be familiar with their material" fallacy.

I'm borrowing this phrase from someone I know, but Rush goes to bed at night wishing they were King Crimson.

Posted by William on Tuesday, 01.30.07 @ 21:53pm


And then they wake up and cry.

Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 01.31.07 @ 00:49am


Everyone hates rap here. Yes, it's called the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. No, it doesn't mean other innovative music artists can't get inducted. It would be stupid to have every style of music to have it's own hall of fame. Influencial and innovative rap ARTISTS should be in. The way that all the middle-aged rap haters feel about rap is the same way their parents felt about their music.

Having said that where the **** is all the prog? Yes, King Crimson, Rush???? Come on man.

Posted by Brandon on Thursday, 02.8.07 @ 02:53am


When will Deep Purple get the recognition they deserve?

Posted by Rob on Friday, 02.9.07 @ 13:16pm


Good King Crimson line William. But Rush still deserves a spot in The Hall.

Did you hear how bad The Police sounded the other night at The Grammys? Performing as a 3 Piece leaves little room for slippage, and as Rush hits the road yet again this summer they will sound as fresh as they did in their 30s. Amazing talents.

Posted by JoeBlack429 on Wednesday, 02.14.07 @ 08:46am


To people who are upset are omissions and slights:

I advise you to look at upcoming induction classes for the next decade. After next year's big names (Madonna, Beasties, Metallica, Sonic Youth [?]), there aren't a lot of knockouts in coming years. I look for many overlooked performers to get in during these lighter years.

Posted by Matt. on Thursday, 02.15.07 @ 08:29am


I agree with the comment on Jeff Beck. Not many solo artists have had the compliments and accolades by Sir George Martin. Jeff helped Tina Turner on her Private Dancer effort, stole the show on Roger Wanters' Amused to Death, arranged Superstition for Stevie Wonder which rocketed him to superstardom. Not enough can be said. But, he never ever got the recognition he deserved. It's because these awards are usually given by press, pr, producers, or other peripherals of the business...NOT musicians. If they were, Pete Townshend also would not be waiting as an individual. Go Jeff......Who Else? to coin a phrase.....

Posted by Jerry Robertson on Monday, 02.19.07 @ 18:31pm


I thought the Police sounded pretty good at the Grammy's. Afterall, it was only one song, and I liked that they did not play the song note for note like the recording, but spiced it up a bit. It was funny to see Sting flub the bass line. I've listened to a lot of live Police, and honestly, live performance was never their strong suit. It is difficult to recreate the heavy atmospherics on stage that they create in the studio. Andy Summers' guitar style especially lends itself more to meticulous studio work vs. rocking out onstage. That said, I'd still see The Police live any day over Rush. I like Rush, but come on, this is the freakin' Police.

JR is correct about Jeff Beck. He should definitely be in. Technically, he is in the Hall already as a member of the Yardbirds, but he deserves to be in on his own as well. I think the guy is the greatest rock guitarist we've ever heard, and I am giving consideration to Hendrix and Allman when I say that.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 02.20.07 @ 09:04am


No, Rush is not The Police. On the all-time greatest "power trios" list they rank 4th or 5th behind the likes of Nirvana, Cream, and of course, The Police.

But the fact that they are in the conversation kind of proves the point that they should get in The Hall one of these days.

Posted by JoeBlack429 on Thursday, 02.22.07 @ 11:04am


Madonna and Sonic Youth will make it next year for sure!

Posted by doris on Thursday, 03.1.07 @ 19:21pm


About time for Van Halen.

Posted by AZ Dave on Sunday, 03.4.07 @ 10:07am


ONLY A NAME:
SCORPIONS

Posted by ANDREA on Monday, 03.12.07 @ 10:21am


WHAT THE HELL WHERE IS RUSH!!!!!! neil pert is the best drummer ever. not to mention the talented voice of getty lee.

Posted by matt santos on Thursday, 03.15.07 @ 12:39pm


when will Ringo Starr get into the hall of fame?!!!

Posted by walrus on Thursday, 03.22.07 @ 21:18pm


The "Hall" is a joke, its an extension of Jan Wenner's ego. Its Lame!in a crap town.

Posted by The Pretenders Rule on Saturday, 03.24.07 @ 21:03pm


Until Progressive Rock gets its due the entire Hall is a joke. Over 50 Top 40 charted albums from -Yes,ELP,J.Tull and Genesis -- A whole era bypassed and if you add Rush into the mix it gets even more bizarre.
Time to erect another hall somewhere start over and do it right. Let the performers vote for thier peers.

Posted by anthony rubbo on Thursday, 04.5.07 @ 21:05pm


You know, after carefully taking into consideration all of the comments I've read on this site about this and other topics, maybe they should change its name from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to the Popular Music Hall of Fame. Or, at least something to that effect. Because let's face it: the term "rock and roll" is really non-existent.

Posted by Alex C on Saturday, 04.21.07 @ 01:06am


I compiled a list of everyone that was ever nominated, but not inducted. Hope it's a handy reference. Click induction year on an enshrined artist for more information on who was on the ballot in said year.

The Stooges: 6 (1997, 1998, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007) - Eligible since 1994.
Chuck Willis: 5 (1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990) - Eligible since beginning.
Chic: 3 (2003, 2006, 2007) - Eligible since 2002.
Gram Parsons: 3 (2002, 2004, 2005) - Eligible since 1992
Joe Tex: 3 (1998, 2006, 2007) - Eligible since 1990.
Ben E. King: 3 (1986, 1987, 1988) - Eligible since beginning.
The Dave Clark Five: 2 (2006, 2007) - Eligible since 1989.
The J. Geils Band: 2 (2005, 2006) - Eligible since 1995.
John Mellencamp: 2 (2004, 2006) - Eligible since 2001.
The "5" Royales: 2 (2002, 2004) - Eligible since beginning.
Lou Reed: 2 (2000, 2001) - Eligible since 1997.
Esther Phillips: 2 (1986, 1987) - Eligible since beginning.
Johnny Ace: 2 (1986, 1987) - Eligible since beginning.
Mary Wells: 2 (1986, 1987) - Eligible since beginning.
Cat Stevens: 1 (2006) - Eligible since 1991.
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band: 1 (2006) - Eligible since 1988.
The Sir Douglas Quintet: 1 (2006) - Eligible since 1993.
Conway Twitty: 1 (2005) - Eligible since beginning.
Randy Newman: 1 (2005) - Eligible since 1990.
Wanda Jackson: 1 (2005) - Eligible since beginning.
ABBA: 1 (2003) - Eligible since 1998.
Kraftwerk: 1 (2003) - Eligible since 1996.
MC5: 1 (2003) - Eligible since 1991.
Steve Winwood: 1 (2003) - Eligible since 1996.
The Chantels: 1 (2002) - Eligible since beginning.
New York Dolls: 1 (2001) - Eligible since 1998.
Darlene Love: 1 (1999) - Eligible since 1998.
The Dominoes: 1 (1997) - Eligible since beginning.
The Meters: 1 (1997) - Eligible since 1994.



Other:

King Curtis: 6 (1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1996) - Inducted as a Sideman in 2000.
Carole King: 1 (1989) - Inducted as a songwriter in 1990.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 04.29.07 @ 20:00pm


Thanks, Garrett for posting the current top 20 .... let the people speak !! Good thing this stuff doesn't affect world politics !!!

Hmmmm .... well, let's see here .... a good question is ... who has the greatest number of studio albums ? I wonder how bands rank, here ? Not to say that this is a definite indicator of talent ... but you think for the most part, it is worthy of note. And, what about influence of other bands ? I am sure that only God could answer some of these questions !!

Well, it is nice to see that RUSH is #1 on the poll. As Alex Lifeson would say ... " Who cares !! "

LIVE IN LOVE !!!

With love from Canada ~~~

Big B

Posted by Brian Kyle on Wednesday, 05.2.07 @ 00:25am


Grannd Funk Railroad, Alice Cooper Group, Deep Purple, Igg & The Stooges, The New York Dolls!! Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame is a joke without these great Bands not being in. We need a peoples Rock Hall of fame so the corporate idiots can keep that sorry building in Cleveland to themselves.

Posted by Mark on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 07:54am


the fact that rush & deep purple are not in the hall of fame only points out that the hall is not interested in true hall of famers. Deep Purple were one of the original pioneers of heavy rock, along with fellow snubs Black Sabbath. Just interview just about every hard rock band from the 70's one up. And with Rush, there isnt even a need to comment. Anyone who has seen them in Rio can attest - these guys in their 50's outrock twenty somethings !!!

Posted by eric molds on Wednesday, 05.9.07 @ 21:47pm


"when will Ringo Starr get into the hall of fame?!!!"

Right after Leo Sayer and Hanson.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 13:31pm


About Green Day, Moni3 wrote:
"...This entire site is an exercise in futility, if you look at it one way. Or, just a way to express why you like what you do."

I agree Moni. At its core, this site's debates mostly all end at a handful of the same cul-de-sacs:
1) a) You are not enlightened enough to appreciate this artist's craft. You are a dolt.
or its counterpart argument -
b) You are too erudite to appreciate this artist's fucki-aye-ness. You are a snob.

Cousin of this line of dispute is the contention: "You obviously are just not familiar with the full catalog of (my favorite artist) and are judging them unjustly.

The other dead end:
2) a) Look at the record and concert sales for my artist! 50 gabillion fans can't be wrong!
and its foil -
b) For the thousanth time: sales have nothing to do with Hall worthiness. This argument inevitably leads back to stance #1a.

This exchange also predictably leads to one fan asserting that your artist has not been influential enough to merit induction; the big I word, which I think only the most scolarly of us can accurately surmise. I still don't know how to truly measure that.

Aside from some fun tangent debates, the theme of this site pretty much always ends up in one of those driveways. I concur with you - its really just about who/what you personally like.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.15.07 @ 09:09am


I'm sorry but it's bull that Grandmaster Flash & the Furios Five got inducted. It's the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame. I don't care what they did for hip hop. If there was a hip hop fall of fame you wouldn't see a rock band getting inducted. Can't we just have ONE thing to ourselves???

Posted by Colleen on Wednesday, 05.23.07 @ 08:31am


"I'm sorry but it's bull that Grandmaster Flash & the Furios Five got inducted.
Can't we just have ONE thing to ourselves???"
- Colleen

Yikes! Uh...wow.
And who would "ourselves" and conversely "Them" be, Colleen?

Posted by shawn mc on Wednesday, 05.23.07 @ 10:27am


I know this will meet with some/much resistance, but in reviewing the eligible artists list I see so many glaringly missing significants missing. I know innovators like The Replacements (whom I love), The Beastie Boys, Run DMC, Sonic Youth, etc are also up for the ballot - but there are just way too many gems getting smaller and smaller in that rearview mirror!

I think for the next 5 years the Hall needs to induct 7 artists each year, and considering the insult of ignoring an artitst for 13, 15, even 18 years.

Based on this paradigm of historical chronology, I would submit for consideratio the follwing inductess for the next 3 years. Madonna can just wait.:

2008
Billy Preston
The Stooges
The Dave Clark 5
Joe Cocker
King Crimson
Steve Miller Band
The Doobie Brothers
Big Star (I know -that's eight)

a nice mix of punk, prog, pop/rock, early 60's

2009
Alice Coooper
MC5
Warren Zevon
T.Rex
J. Geils Band
Todd Rundgren
Genesis
again, prog, glam, punk, songwriter, pop/rock

2010
Yes
Roxy Music
Bill Withers
KISS
ABBA
Hall and Oates
John Mellencamp
soul, glam, prog, songwriter, pure pop

After that, in 2011, you'd start to revisit the 80's pioneers.
Let the mocking begin.

Posted by shawn mc on Wednesday, 05.23.07 @ 11:57am


Casper: "I like to come here and read the comments for various artists and see why/why not someone thinks they're worthy of inclusion....unfortunately, for the last week or so, all I see are BON JOVI comments....*yawn*"

I tried to get opinions going a couple days ago here on the 2007 inductees page, but noone bit. I already would change some of what I wrote above, and I'd love to read other's views on the coming 10 years.

Posted by shawn mc on Thursday, 05.24.07 @ 14:55pm


Shawn, I'm quite agree with yur list but I must say that I would induct Deep Purple, Judas Priest Jethro Tull, Johnny Winter and Canned Heat probably instead of Hall and Oates Mellecamp the Doobie brothers big star and Ruddgren can probably wait some more years.

Posted by roméo on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 14:34pm


"Shawn, I'm quite agree with yur list but I must say that I would induct Deep Purple, Judas Priest Jethro Tull, Johnny Winter and Canned Heat probably instead of..."

Yea, a case can definitely be made for all of those you list, too. There are so many.
I have heard conflicting opinions on the significance of Deep Purple, but I don't know enough to have an educated opinion.
I know Priest seems to be a patriarch of Metal.
And Jethro Tull-- there WAS that flute. Seriously though, is Jethro Tull an important act? I actually don't know.

Posted by shawn mc on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 17:36pm


Tull's Aqualung is probably the most respected by the criticks of any non-Floyd album. Of course, on the flip side of the same coin, Ian Anderson pretty much declared war on the critics with a series of ever-worsening albums that each railed against the criticisms of the preceding albums. A very depressing cycle.

Posted by Kit on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 20:10pm


Shawn, do you really want Hall and Oates in there? I mean "Private Eyes, we're watching you" with that gay clapping - c'mon - I can think of some better choices....

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 20:15pm


"I'm borrowing this phrase from someone I know, but Rush goes to bed at night wishing they were King Crimson."

Yeah, I am sure Rush goes to bed at night thinking, I wish we could have been LESS successful and sold a lot LESS albums, and a lot LESS concert tickets. And, I wish we had 20 different band members, rather than the same 3 for the past 30+ years.

And, I am sure Rush wishes that they were not cited by Metallica in interviews and on their album sleeve as a major influence....

You see William, the idea of "wishing" is that you want something more, not less....catch the spit?

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 20:24pm


BTW, Shawn...I read your post about how this site ends up in the same arguments over and over (i.e. being circular). I gotta say, you and I have had our differences, but that was a great post. Why? B/c it was a great summary of what goes on in these posts for the most part.

The one I think you missed is that some people deny or distort factual information to support their distorted views, whether it is for or against a band. But, in all honesty that was one of the more insightful assessments of this website...

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 20:53pm


"That said, I'd still see The Police live any day over Rush. I like Rush, but come on, this is the freakin' Police."

I love the Police (second fav band), but as for a concert, the Rush catalog and song choices are much larger and way more varied. i.e., You can go from Working Man to Mystic Rhyhtms....

"you can also go from boom to bust
From dreams to a bowl of dust" - couldn't help that one - my mind just went there

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 20:59pm


And here I thought we were over that Rush debacle.

I'll be willing to drop it from here on out since it won't end well, but that comment isn't very fresh.

Posted by William on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 23:32pm


Look, I do not want to have anymore of these stupid debates either. Like Shawn said above these arguments are predictable and ciruclar at this point.

The only issue I have are the critics blatant denial of FACTS (i.e. non debtable issues). Rush has been influential - that is simply undeniable. Yes, I will give that there are degree of being influential. Like, if you could utilize a scale from 1-10, where 10 is the most and 1 is the least, bands like The Who, VU, Beatles, Zepellin, Stones would be 10's. Other bands would be less. So, I would agree that Rush is not on par with those acts in terms of influence, but they could score a 5 or 6 or something like that. But, for any critic of Rush to TOTALLY deny their influence is just being blinded. As you would say, their "antifanboy" stance.

The fact is so many bands have EXPLICITLY cited Rush as an influence - of course the most prominent in my mind being Metallica. Then of course there are many other bands that I know have cited Rush as an influence:

Soundgarden (Chris Cornell talked about doing a Rush cover in an interview - and they have explicity cited Rush as an influence), Primus, Smashing Pumpkins (they did a cover of Limelight and said that Rush was a great band), Tool, Dream Theater, Pearl Jam (drummer Matt Cameron played drums on Geddy Lee's solo album), Queensryche, , etc., etc., etc., etc.

You have to realize that as much as you may not want to admit this, Rush are icons to many other musicians. I remember hearing an interview with some band member (I honestly cannot remember which guy, but he was famous), and he talked about how he met Geddy Lee for the first time and how in awe he was to meet the singer / bassist of Rush.

The fact is Rush may not be a 10 on the influence scale, but among most (not all of course) musicians, they are highly respected as players and in there philospophy and vision. Again, these are simply undeniable facts....so again, Rush may not be a 10 on the influence scale, but then again...not too many are.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 06:09am


"Tull's Aqualung is probably the most respected by the criticks.."

So are they significant enough to merit induction, or were they just gimmicky?
Are they prog? Where do they sit in the hierarchy?

And what about Deep Purple? Can a line be drawn from them and Sabbath to Priest and onto other metal? Are THEY significant enough, or havethey been justly passed over?

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 10:15am


Anon: "I gotta say, you and I have had our differences, but that was a great post."

I'm not going to be able to be mean to you anymore if I actually start liking you, Anon.
You're ruining my fun.
Thanks for the generous comment.

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 10:19am


"Shawn, do you really want Hall and Oates in there? I mean "Private Eyes, we're watching you" with that gay clapping - c'mon - I can think of some better choices."

Ha-ha.. yea, that was a pretty gay chorus, and I will readily admit that there are other tracks of theirs that have a slight odor of gayness too. Every time I dare to mention their names in a post I am a little self conscious because they often had a slight cheese element ("M-E-T-H-O-D O-F...).
BUT!! Having admitted that I do say that YES, I would definitely induct them, especially after 10 years of eligibility. I believe I could make a very strong case for them.

There are at least 25 other artists who have been eligble even longer than they that I can see getting in the long line ahead of them, but I think eventually, and very soon, it reflects poorly on the Hall to ignore their obvious significance.

It's my strong opinion that this idea - SIGNIFICANCE - though broader and even more subjective (perhaps..?) than the mighty "I" Gods -Influence and Innovation, is a measuring stick that is more reasonable and useful. I brought this up a few posts back here. To many, my screening process would contaminate the holiness of the waters.

You should like that paradigm Anon, because by its criterion, Rush is an inductee without a doubt. Like 'em or hate 'em, they are an indisputable phenomenon and to exclude them is, in my op, myopic.

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 10:51am


"So are they significant enough to merit induction, or were they just gimmicky?
Are they prog? Where do they sit in the hierarchy?"

Definitely prog, and Thick as a Brick and Aqualung are both classic albums. I'd rank them below the three obvious picks of Genesis KC and Yes.

I left out the word prog in my OP because I thought it and then didn't type it. I hate it when that happens.

Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 12:19pm


"Definitely prog, and Thick as a Brick and Aqualung are both classic albums. I'd rank them below the three obvious picks of Genesis KC and Yes."

But above Moody Blues and Rush? (lol - are you giving me the finger for making you comment on Canada's favorite sons?)
Also - does Supertramp qualify as prog?

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 12:47pm


About equal with Rush (even though I infinitely prefer Tull) and above the Moodies.

I don't think of Supertramp as prog, they were primarily pop in my view, but it was pop with a definite artsy edge.

Posted by Kit on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 00:00am


I don't really know where this should go, but I just wanna know generally what everyone here's favorites are, and since most of the time our discussions are framed around the Rock Hall (well derr), I figure we should frame a favorites survey around the same. So, here's an idea. How about everyone give their top five bands seperated into the following categories:

Inducted
Eligible, but not Inducted
Eligible within the next ten years
Contemporary (bands started within the past ten years).

Posted by Kit on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 00:03am


I expanded it to ten, because five was much harder than predicted...

Inducted:

The Band
Bob Dylan
Elvis Costello
Talking Heads
David Bowie
The Who
The Rolling Stones
Patti Smith
The Velvet Underground
R.E.M

Eligible but not Inducted:
The Replacements
King Crimson
New Order
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Dead Kennedys
The Stooges
The Cure
T-Rex
Roxy Music
Joy Division

Eligible within the next ten years (2007-2016 crop):

Sonic Youth
Pixies
Pavement
The Flaming Lips
Jane's Addiction
Pearl Jam
Camper Van Beethoven
The Jesus and Mary Chain
The Smiths
Soundgarden

Contemporary (bands marked 2022-2032 on our handy chart)
The Arcade Fire
LCD Soundsystem
!!!
Broken Social Scene
The Shins
Animal Collective
The New Pornographers
TV On The Radio
The Decemberists
Yeah Yeah Yeahs

Yes, I'm pretentious...it's something I came to terms with long ago...

Posted by Kit on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 00:24am


It's quite hard to make such a list but i try

inducted:Led Zeppelin
Rolling stones
Jimi Hendrix
B.B King
Black Sabbath
Cream
Bob Marley
Pati Smith
Wilson Pickett
AC/DC

eligible:Deep Purple
Alice Cooper
Judas Priest
the stooges
Mc5
Johnny Winter
Dire Straits
Tom Waits
Robert Cray
The Cure

eligible in couple of years:
Rage against the machine(I know it is 2017 and i know they are reformed but i still consider them as members of this category)
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Metallica
Guns n roses
Flaming lips
Sonic Youth
Nirvana
N.W.A
2PAC
Eric B and Rakim

Contemporary
John Mayer
System of a down
Wolfmother
The raconteurs
at the drive in
in flames
Outkast
Ben harper

Posted by roméo on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 02:02am


"Yes, I'm pretentious...it's something I came to terms with long ago..."

Just like Tom Sawyer...


DISCLAIMER: Just a joke, at least an attempt at being funny

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 06:16am


Inducted (In no certain order)

1) Zeppelin
2) Sabbath
3) Police
4) CCR
5) The Who


Eligible, but not Inducted

1) Rush (of course)
2) Cure
3) America
4) Moody Blues
5) Depeche Mode

Eligible within the next ten years

1) Metallica
2) Beastie Boys (Since they already started putting rap in)
3) Eric B and Rakim
4) Boogie Down Produc.
5) Soundgarden


I ran out of time....

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 06:27am



Inducted:

Rolling Stones
Bob Dylan
David Bowie
U2
Pink Floyd
Eric Clapton
The Clash
The Velvet Underground
Elvis Costello
Patti Smith
Jimi Hendrix

I know I have one extra but I didn't know who to delete.

Eigible but not Inducted:
The Cure
Genesis
Deep Purple
Depeche Mode
The Replacements
Procol Harum
The Stooges
King Crimson
Mott the Hoople
Alice Cooper


Eligible within the next ten years

Red Hot Chili Peppers
Sonic Youth
Janes Addiction
Soundgarden
Nirvana
Pearl Jam
Beck
The Melvins
Stevie Ray Vaughan
The Flaming Lips


Posted by PJ on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 17:49pm


On the Eligible list I forgot to include Billy Preston and I must include him and I can't delete anybody so I have an extra one for that group.

Posted by PJ on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 18:58pm


My list here is in strict obedience to Kit's request, "..I just wanna know generally what everyone here's favorites are.."

Let it be known that if I constructed the list of how I think the next ten years of R&R Hall inductees should read, it would forsake a lot of my personal favs. For instance, I think that King Crimson and Sonic Youth and The Stooges (and Madonna)should be inducted promptly, and I doubt that there is a rightful place for Collective Soul. These are my nakedly honest, if self conscious, personal ear pleasers.

I am very, very interested to see what everyone's lists of inductees would look like for the next 10 years and why.

Inducted:

The Police
Jimi Hendrix Experience
Marvin Gaye
Elvis Costello & The Attractions
James Brown
Led Zeppelin
James Taylor
Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
Prince
Paul Simon
**The Beatles and The Rolling Stones are just assumed - like air and water.


Eligible but not in yet:

John Mellencamp
Genesis
Peter Gabriel
Tom Waits
Doobie Brothers
The Replacements
Hall and Oates
Steve Miller Band
INXS
Big Star


Eligible 2008-2021

Stevie Ray Vaughn
Lenny Kravitz
Liz Phair
Pearl Jam
Sheryl Crow
G. Love (Special Sauce)
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Sting
Dave Matthews Band
Collective Soul


Last ten years (2022-now)

John Mayer
The White Stripes
Jason Mraz
Jack Johnson
Gorillaz
The Decemberists
Leona Naess
Jet
Train

Yes, charmed by a pop groove and inclined towards singer/songwriter types...it's something I came to terms with long ago.





Posted by shawn mc on Tuesday, 05.29.07 @ 14:41pm


Inducted:

The Kinks
The Who
Neil Young
Bruce Springsteen
The Police
Van Morrison
The Band
The Allman Bros. Band
Pink Floyd
Rolling Stones
(The Byrds were at #11)

Not Inducted but Eligible:

Peter Gabriel
Genesis
Big Star
Jeff Beck
Yes
The Cure
The Cars
13th Floor Elevators
Steve Winwood
John Mellencamp

Eligible in Next 10 Years:

Stevie Ray Vaughan
Robert Cray
Smiths
Guns 'n Roses
Metallica
Pearl Jam

New Bands That I Think Have a Chance If They Continue to Develop As Expected:

The Hold Steady
Pete Yorn
New Pornographers

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 05.29.07 @ 16:46pm


Inducted:

1. The Beatles
2. U2
3. R.E.M.
4. The Beach Boys
5. Velvet Underground
6. John Lennon
7. The Ronettes (Decided to ignore that Spector played such a big part in their success)
8. Led Zeppelin
9. Rolling Stones
10. Marvin Gaye

Eligible, but not Inducted:

1. Nick Drake
2. The Replacements
3. The Stooges
4. Brian Eno
5. Hüsker Dü
6. Leonard Cohen
7. New Order
8. The Jam
9. Depeche Mode
10. Joy Division

Eligible within the next ten years

1. Pearl Jam
2. Smashing Pumpkins
3. Collective Soul (guilty pleasure from my youth)
4. Dinosaur Jr.
5. The Smiths
6. The Pixies
7. Radiohead
8. Beastie Boys
9. Guided By Voices
10. Talk Talk

Contemporary (bands started within the past ten years):

1. Arcade Fire
2. The Decemberists
3. Sufjan Stevens
4. Animal Collective
5. M.I.A.
6. New Pornographers
7. LCD Soundsystem
8. Broken Social Scene
9. The Shins
10. The Clientele

Obviously, more than one album is taken into account here although I did include M.I.A (she also has a kick ass mixtape)....I mean, I love Marquee Moon and Screamadelica, but such artists don't have a back catalog worthy of inclusion in a Top Ten.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 05.29.07 @ 17:55pm


Ugh.....forgot Sigur Ros, I'd put them in the Top Five most likely.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 05.29.07 @ 17:56pm


Also, there's a gap between "eligible in the next ten years" and "modern act"...for example Belle & Sebastian, one of my absolute favorites, doesn't fall into either category.

Still, it was a lot of fun. ;)

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 05.29.07 @ 18:02pm


Dezmond, a little disappointed in your list. You would take the Cars over Rush....c'mon, get real. You prefer "whose gonna drive you home, tonight?", over pioneers of rock / progressive music (i.e. see 2112). You prefer Mellencamp over Rush??? Didn't you say that: "Yeah, Johnny Cougar's "I Need a Lover" really changed the face of rock and roll." And, Steve Winwood, was that a typo???

I mean, I like the cars and JM too, but you better revise your list or I am coming after you, as Kit would say, to bash your face in....:-)

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 05:43am


Rush, Rush, Shmush.

See, that is the danger of trying to do these lists off the top of my head. I left out U2 in my faves. Duh. Perhaps because I have been disappointed in the latest couple of U2 records, but that still does not take away their overall greatness. U2 should be in my Top 10 That Are In, and I guess substitute them for, uh, Allman Brothers.

If I recall, the question was your personal favorites. So yes, personally, I'd rather listen to The Cars over Rush most days. I still really like Rush, though. I still think The Cars were one of the very best New wave acts. Their debut, for instance, stands up against anything from that era.

And yes, I did say that about Mellencamp, but I also clarified my position later in the same discussion. Mellencamp is great and deserves a spot. He just has a few penalties, that's all.

No, Winwood was no typo. The guys is one of the most talented dudes in rock. I know he has already been inducted as a member of Traffic, but he deserves his own induction as well. He was a pioneer with groups like Spencer Davis Group, Traffic and Blind Faith. "Can't Find My Way Home" alone is a great argument for his induction (while technically, that is a Blind Faith song). His solo career has faltered of late, but it has some high points definitely worthy of consideration as well. "Arc of a Diver" is one of the best DIY records ever (Winwood recorded it alone, playing every instrument). "Back in the High Life" is one of the best pop records of the 1980's. Listen to lots of Traffic especially, and you will understand what an amazing musician this guy is. He can play keyboards, we know that, but he can also play killer guitar. (After Dave Mason left, it was largely Winwood taking guitar duties as well as keyboard duties on Traffic records). And he has one of the purest singing voices as well. Winwood...most definitely.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 08:11am


Dammit, I also forgot to list Smashing Pumpkins in the soon to be eligible category.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 10:15am


Steve Winwood is an incredible musician. His cover of Voodoo Chile almost matches the original for wah-wah fury. I think getting inducted with Traffic is enough honors for him, however. Blind Faith has only one album to their name, Spencer Davis Group also had too short a lifespan, and his solo career leaves me wanting for whatever reason.

Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 13:32pm


"Blind Faith has only one album to their name, Spencer Davis Group also had too short a lifespan, and his solo career leaves me wanting for whatever reason."

Perhaps Kit, but aggregate they add up to a very admirable career. "Can't Find My Way Home" alone earns Stevie many points as a mystically wonderful iconic rock tune.
I know, I know... you'll say that "solos" are to be evaluated only within the strict context of thier product under their solo name. But I don't like it - to narrow; why shouldn't an individual be given the benefit of the coalescence of thier lfe's work? This, with the basic requiremant that they HAD some form of a solo career.

Winwood did, and I concur with Dezmond on this one. I like him for the Hall too.

Posted by shawn mc on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 15:46pm


Funny, but I have actually been one of the strongest proponent for the Evaluate a Solo Career On Solo Work Only Rule myself. Hence, George Harrison should not be in the Hall as a solo artist. But for Winwood, it is somewhat different. He was with so many bands and was the creative spark leading those bands. Spencer Davis Band only got big because of Winwood. After power sharing with Dave Mason ended with Mason's departure, Traffic was essentially Steve Winwood under a different name. I know, Capaldi and Wood contributed admirably, but come on, Traffic was Winwood after Mason left. And with all due respect to Clapton, it was Winwood who was really the guiding light of Blind Faith as well. And besides all of that, if you ignore all of his "group" work, his solo career alone STILL demands strong consideration.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 15:57pm


Dezmond says to eventually induct: "Smashing Pumpkins"

Guess who they cite as an influence....yep, Rush....sorry couldn't help it

BTW, I was really just kidding about your selections, I like the cars too...I was just busting chops as they say...

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 18:06pm


In fact, they do an acoustic version of Limelight, as a tribute to Rush....just another band that Rush has influenced despite critics (professional and otherwise - i.e. see this website for the latter) lack of acknowledgement of that fact...oh well...

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 19:08pm


This is the funniest thing I have seen in awhile. Apparently, RS magazine published a list of the top "Guilty Pleasure" artists (i.e. artists people like / love to listen to, but will not openly admit it). Rush is #1 (which to me seemed odd, b/c most Rush fans, like myself will never shut up about Rush). Anyway, here is the top 25:

1. Rush
2. E.L.O.
3. Journey
4. ABBA
5. Chicago
6. Boston
7. Foreigner
8. Bread
9. Bon Jovi
10. New Edition
11. The Monkees
12. Motley Crue
13. STYX
14. Eddie Money
15. Simply Red
16. Kelly Clarkson
17. America
18. Wham
19. R.E.O. Speedwagon
20. Poison
21. Lionel Richie
22. Kansas
23. Air Supply
24. Hall & Oates
25. Britney Spears

www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/04/09/rolling-stones-list-of-the-25-undisputed-guilty-pleasure-bands/

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 20:12pm


I found a very interesting site. They rank the top 100 rock BANDS of all time. Like we have discussed (I know Shawn and I have mentioned this), this site uses some objecitve criteria, which includes (rightly so) various categories, including:

US Sales, Songs and Songwriting, Technical ability, Innovation, Live Performance, COnsistency vs. Longevity, Random Play.

This is the first place where I saw some type of "objective" measures and where a variety of categories were take into account.

Here is the link: http://www.avrev.com/bands/

Rush is 14! Of course, Zep is #1, and Beatles #2. It is interesting to see how each band scores. Like for Rush, they score high on technical merits, but lower on song writing. Anyway, it is a very interesting site...and I liked it because it took in ALL factors, not just one. Although, of course the RRHOF is much narrower and uses mostly the innovation score for induction....

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 22:55pm


Anon... On that list you mention, Stone Temple Pilots are higher than the Rolling Stones. Enough said.

Posted by c.w. on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 06:08am


I did not write the "Quit whining" line above. That being said, I just glanced over the list. Of course it is not perfect, and I agree that is a joke. But, I do like the idea of evaluating bands on a number of different factors, not just one (i.e. influence), as the RHOF does.

Because for some bands, they score much higher on other categories. Like the VU obviously score high on influence, but record and concert sales, and longevity would be quite low. In any case, I just like the "whole picture" approach, rather than such a narrow evaluation of bands, as is done with the RHOF.

Posted by Anonymoous on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 10:38am


"Anon... On that list you mention, Stone Temple Pilots are higher than the Rolling Stones. Enough said."

BTW, I do agree with that assessment. However, the same type of criticism can be lodged towards the RRHOF. C'mon. I mean there are plenty of mediocre bands that are in the hall and other great bands that are not in. However, a few errors or oversights does not necessarily negate the entire RRHOF or the link I had sent.

Posted by Anon on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 12:42pm


"Anyway, it is a very interesting site...and I liked it because it took in ALL factors, not just one."

The site is interesting and sparks conversation. The fact that STP is higher than the Stones is an eyebrow raiser, for sure.

This kind of a multi-faceted system is just what I was envisioning... but here's how I would tweak it.
I would only give 50 points for commercial success. Sure, its a legitimate factor, but there's too much shit that made bags of money out there to give sales too much leverage.

I would also weight it so that innovation gets its own 100 points and influence gets another 50 (rather than the bundled category this site offers). I still think it's a bit presumptuous to think we can definitively discern influence..that's another conversation.

Maybe another 50 points gets weighted for developiment/evolvement/creative expression on a standing style. I mean, if an artist is just damn good - quality good - at taking a theme and putting their own distinctive spin on it, I don't think they should be hamstrung because they didn't strictly invent, ergo "innovate" some new sound. The thing to point to is... were they good?

Also, this site obviously does not include nearly enough bands (where are The Flaming Lips?), and it foregoes individual artists.

But you know, all theoretical systems will still, I believe, leave some acts behind. It's my firm stand that the Hall needs to make categories each year that forces voters to induct ONE innovative yet lesser known artist. This year for instance, voters should be made to select perhaps between The Stooges, The Replacements and King Crimson. Otherwise, none of these may ever make it past the Madonna and the Bon Jovis.

Posted by shawn mc on Friday, 06.1.07 @ 23:12pm


Good points Shawn....Overall, any rating system or "hall of fame" is always going to be flawed and subjective to some degree. But, I think taking in a variety of factors is much more complete and accurate.

Only looking at "innovation / influence" is a bit short-sided, particularly with newer bands of the 90's and beyond. At that point in time, much of what bands put out will have already been done (i.e. "that new bands sounds a bit like....(fill in the blank)". Why penalize bands and the members simply for when they were born?

I had an old professor in a philsophy class, and we were talking about the similarity between ideas of 1000 years ago and more modern philosophers. He jokingly said that there were like four great ideas in the world and the rest are just offshoots.

The point being, how innovative and different can bands of today be when so much of music has already been done? Sure, bands can blend different sounds and "make it their own" (as they say on IDOL), but it will always be "borrowed" to some degree from past great musical artists.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 06.2.07 @ 06:47am


the site you linked is ridiculous. just one example they credited 26points on50 to RATM for their live performances though it is one of their best apects and Audioslave which is 75% the same got 39. i just don't understand that

Posted by roméo on Saturday, 06.2.07 @ 14:04pm


I was thinking about who has to be inducted next year.
I would say: -Joe Cocker because he is the biggest legend snubbed
-King Crimson: because it is ridiculous to deny that prog is also great music
-Deep Purple: because Metal needs soe love
-The stooges: because they have been nominated so many times
And for the fifth if we consider that is is 5 new inductes each year it is less evident.
Metallica could enter but I do not think that is a good thing because there are too many metal pionneers that are snubbed.
i do not want Madonna in the hall because for me it is not really rock and it would open the door for lots of crap.
Sonic Youth would be a good candidate but they can wait some years because lots of good groups are waiting.
The Cure could be the best fifth

Posted by roméo on Saturday, 06.2.07 @ 14:49pm


"the site you linked is ridiculous"

Just like the "Moonglows" are in the RRHOF.

I already said that it is not a perfect system, but merely pointed it out to show how a comprehensive rating system could work...

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 06.2.07 @ 15:05pm


it wasn't a critic man. I was just surprised to see that my favorite band that has always done great shows got a very low mark at this.

Posted by roméo on Saturday, 06.2.07 @ 15:09pm


I hear you....

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 06.2.07 @ 15:10pm


romeo: "i think it's impossible to induct all the important members of each genre because there would be too (many) inductees.
Maybe if it was one inductee each year for every important genre."

This brings up a very good subject: after the first 5 years and once the Hall got in the pioneers and mythical figures, the VIP list of "No Brainers" changes now into a pool of debate, some more than others.

As the years progress and we get a larger and larger backlog of snubbables. Some are commercially successful notables (Rush, Steve Miller, Genesis..) some are influence heavy "secrets" (Replacements, Sonic Youth, King Crimson..) while still coming through the door are contemporary no brainers (to some-)(Madonna Beastie Boys, The Cure..).

I've said it before - instead of trimming the guest list down to 5 per year because they think being more exclusive earns them more respectability, I think now, moreso than in 1987, the Hall needs to induct 9-10 artists per year. Furthermore, they need to now create specific categories within the vote as a whole that forces the induction of the various "levels" of notoriety and genre (hello prog..).

This subject inevitably leads to the question of whether the Hall should be exclusive vs inclusive; populist vs purist; rare art vs the a chronicle of music history.

Is the Hall a trophy case or a simple museum?

Posted by shawn mc on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 11:47am


Journey, that is all that needs to be said, Steve Perry, Jonathan Cain, Neal Schon, Ross Volary, Steve Smith. The Best Group ever, Long Live Steve Perry and Journey

Posted by Roberta on Thursday, 06.21.07 @ 22:21pm


OK Rush is great and yeah I like them too but the guys that never get mentioned or even looked at is
"The Guess Who" They broke the Canadian barrier long before Rush, Neil Young etc... The Guess Who was the first band who made it big out of Canada and in their prime out sold even the Beatles! Their music to this day sounds better then ever and of course the rock anthem "American Women" really gives you the true meaning of this country even today! The CD to get for those to young to remember or even know who they are is "The Best of The Guess Who" one of the best albums of all time and hardly ever mentioned! They never conformed to the critics and never sold out ever! They are what we really don't see anymore true musicians from modest hard working middle income families that made it and wrote most of their hits when they were eighteen, nineteen, and twenty! Glamour Boys are all that is left today my friends! I'm gald I grew up when they had real musicians and not musician polls.

Posted by strat on Wednesday, 07.11.07 @ 18:13pm


The Guess Who did "Clap For The Wolfman" and "Dancin Fool" which I like but consider to be pop sellouts to an extent at least compared to their earlier harder edged sounds like "American Woman."


All in all though a fine bunch of fellows. Burton Cummings is a unique vocalist that gives it his all with power on every word of every song he sings...

Posted by SG on Friday, 07.13.07 @ 00:08am


Ok there are not many bands out there that has been around for 35 years + same there guys tons of jammin music and the caliber of musicians as RUSH.There is bands that should not be even in the RRHOF that are in there grandmaster funk sex pistol.Who in the .... is picking these bands.Give me a break.....

Posted by BYTOR56 on Saturday, 07.28.07 @ 09:17am



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