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About the 2024 Inductees, will m wrote:
  literally why would you make your username that? out of all the possible usernames... good lord
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 16:39pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, RapeOfTheSabines wrote:
  If the Hall of Fame wanted to do some serious reaching out they should nominate Vince Clarke. Yes, he was inducted for his work with DepecheMode; but, thats a mere fraction of what this guy has done. His work with Alison Moyet and later Andy Bell cements him as a real pioneer in electronic music. If anyone from the committee is reading these posts it's high time you listed Vince Clarke, he is truly deserving. Along with artists like Kate Bush, Roxy Music, Peter Gabriel he needs to be finally included.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 16:16pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, will m wrote:
  Ritchie,

I have extreme confidece that Mariah will return to the ballot and get inducted. honestly, I could see a ballot consisting mostly of returning nominees. kinda a counterpoint to this year, seeing as so many heavy hitters lost out, oasis Lenny Mariah Sade are all extremely popular.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 16:15pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote:
  Will M,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 15:35pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, will m wrote:
  chrisd,

nah I'm American and a new Yorker, I've not seen moulin rouge with him in it but I did hear good things. I think you're right where images of BG would be posted next to cyndi or George Micheal on an 80s night poster, but that doesn't really equal acclaim in my eyes. just name recognition. sorta like msifits tho I believe they're worthy for a whole host of other reasons. and to CC's credit, they're songs certainly aren't forgettable, karma chameleon is often on pop radio. but I dont believe that equates into acclaim y'know?

like euythmics, I really only know and love Sweet Dreams are made of these. but that song is so legendarily amazing that you cant dispute euythmics belonging in the rock hall. culture club don't have a song that is trancendatly amazing like that.

interestingly, despite their importance, euthymics are kinda a one hit wonder in America I think. moreso than DEVO, who overcame that OHW tag through all the years of nerds like me insisting they aren't. not an insult against euthymics btw
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 15:29pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, ChrisD wrote:
  @Richie

I'm bad at making predictions, especially when it relates to metal, punk, hard rock, etc. since I have no gauge of their influence. And it seems like they're consistently the "most snubbed". I'm still in favour of inducting the centrist pop stars, as a poptimist myself *side smirk emoji*

Most of the people I'm rooting for have absolutely no hope of recognition outside the remote chance of an International Side Category. For example, the three most pervasive non-English genres in the American musical landscape today are Reggaeton, K-pop and Afrobeats. So I'm in favour of recognising their regional foremothers. Yes, foreMOTHERS:
LatAm: Celia Cruz
East Asia: Mariya Takeuchi
Africa: Miriam Makeba
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 15:24pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, ChrisD wrote:
  @Will M:

Can I assume that you're British? Seems like opinions across the Atlantic are polarized lmfao. I guess that's why Boy George has spent more time in the States lately. He's been stunt casted on Broadway right now to help sell tickets, and it's going well for all I know.

I'm not sure how much worth my narrow perspective has, since I was born well after their imperial pop phase, but have always thought of them at least an equal peer to Duran Duran as a relic of the New Romantics, at least in image...like in the way you would go to an 80's themed bar night...there would be Cyndi Lauper, Eurythmics, Duran Duran and Culture Club on the poster. When you zoom in on the minutiae, that might not equal quantitative acclaim, but others have got in for much, much, much less.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 15:07pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, will m wrote:
  extending it to 30, (these didn't include any technicaliteis like double/snubbed members/bands or session players)
steppenwolf
Free/Bad Company
Alice in chains
bauhaus
television
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 15:03pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, will m wrote:
  for the sake of making another list here are my 25 biggest snubs

Screamin Jay Hawkins
King Crimson
Jethro Tull
DEVO
Thin Lizzy
Pixies
Warren zevon
Runaways
B52s
New York Dolls
Janes Addiction
Violent Femmes
Soundgarden
Blue Oyster cult
Motorehead
Maiden
DIO
Misfits
Buzzcocks
Smiths
Replacements
Squeeze
Siouxsie and Banshees
JD/NO
Weezer
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 14:53pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, will m wrote:
  personally Ive never brought up culture club cause I dislike them,

but my opinion is irrelevant. I don't see them as very critically acclaimed nor fondly remembered. they're not on critic best of lists (clock of the heart being on the 500 songs rock hall list is very interesting tho).

in response to your points on their worthiness Chris, for queer rep, just go with the B-52 s who have far more acclaim and obvious influence (and are better but my opinion is irrelevant).

CC are definitely not on the level of DD. Duran has had much longer sustained critical and commercial success without having to resort to becoming tabloid fodder like boy George did. and durans music is more acclaimed and looked back on fondly than CC. Duran had a genuine renaissance of appreciation after having initially being maligned by critics for many years. culture club had no such re evaluation.

and if they're gonna induct any act whose recorded "do you want to hurt me" put in violent femmes. the song is so bad I don't even like the femmes cover, but I LOOOOOVE violent femmes-put them in.


as for my opinion which needs no justifications-i think karma chameleon, do you really want to hurt me, time clock of the heart, all those songs are annoying. and I dont like boy georges voice either. its all so plasticy. in my view, culture club are the point where "new wave" stopped reffering to more palatable yet artisier strains of punk-like DEVO Elvis Costello The Police the cars blondie etc, to begin referring to plasticy pop groups the majority of which I think are crap. I'm not being polite, for that I apologize but personally, I cannot see how culture club are a hall worthy band. I'm queer myself, and I think boy George is a complete hack.

as for genuine evidence they are not well regarded nowadays, on rate your music, only 2 of their albums are above a 3.0.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 14:34pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote:
  ChrisD,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 14:08pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, ChrisD wrote:
  @Timothy Pernell:

I think that one monster hit is enough for consideration. Many people don't even have a single hit, a few of those types were inducted this year. But they would have at least two songs in contention for their signature song no? Karma Chameleon and Do You Really Want to Hurt Me? The legacy of their 80's cultural cachet is as least equal to Duran Duran? And it's not like they had to be reassessed like Duran Duran, since they won Best New Artist at the Grammys.

Boy George has quietly been active across media throughout the decades, similarly to Cyndi. He's currently on Broadway in Moulin Rouge I believe. I mean crudely speaking the Hall would fulfill some neglected queer quota with Culture Club.

They were on the Hall's radar before with their song Time Clock of the Heart included in their 500 Songs that Shaped Rock. It wasn't even a major hit in the grand scheme of things and not the most recognized in their canon.

Honestly I'm officially an advocate for Culture Club and I'll be spamming comment sections in fansites, forums and podcasts until they're on their radar.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 14:04pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, Timothy Pernell wrote:
  ChrisD,

CC might be perceived as a technical one-hit wonder. Despite scoring many transatlantic hits between 1982-86, they're primarily known as the band behind "Karma Chameleon", which is their signature song. But who knows? They could be a contender. George Michael is in (and I think they credit the Wham hits to him solely), Eurythmics, Depeche Mode and Duran Duran are in. But my guess is Culture Club have yet to make a serious case for an induction. Hope I'm wrong.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 13:33pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, Timothy Pernell wrote:
  xwing1212,

Who I think came dead last? Sade likely.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 13:29pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote:
  Mat r

This year, you can see that the two inductees in the influence category primarily impacted British music, with little direct influence on American music. Does this suggest that the Rock Hall's side category committee is becoming more open to introducing non-US musicians whose influence isn't centered on American music? Historically, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's criteria would not have allowed for the induction of artists who only influenced popular British musicians in the US, rather than directly influencing many American musicians and styles. Does this mean that artists who are very influential in the UK but less so in the US, like Cliff Richard, or even bands like The Jam, Stone Roses, Blur, and Pulp, might have a chance to be selected by the side category? Or that we might soon see artists like Serge Gainsbourg, Fela Kuti, or Jacques Brel inducted in side category?
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 13:28pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, Alec Tess wrote:
  Humble Pie will probably never get into the Rock Hall but Steve Marriott who is with Small Faces and now Peter Frampton is still good representation of the band in the Hall
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 13:18pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, Mat r wrote:
  Alec tess

Maybe more in influence which reminds

Mc5 and Warwick getting excellence rather than influence and the influence inductees being both proto rock and almost traditional blues...any one think they might be going back to making influence more non-rock/pop?
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 12:56pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, Alec Tess wrote:
  If the Hall decides to open up the book for more Jazz acts who is the mostly like to get honored 1st?

As much as I want it to be some one like John Coltrane or Charlie Parker

I feel like it will be someone who is still with us so they don't feel regret about leaving them out when they unfortunately leave this mortal plane so I am gonna say it will be Sonny Rollins or Herbie Hancock and mostly likely Hancock
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 11:45am
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About Snubbed Members, Joe S. wrote:
  Bill G:

Smokey Robinson was inducted in the second class of the R&R HoF in 1987 (and is, actually, the last surviving performer member of that class), and James Brown in the first class in 1986. Almost two decades later, the powers that be at the Hall decided they were wrong to not include the bands that backed Robinson, Brown, and several others. So, in 2004 they specifically inducted the backing bands (the Miracles, the Famous Flames, etc.) to accompany the original, already-inducted lead singers. Most of these lead singers didn't have success as solo acts, so it probably wouldn't have been appropriate to add them as two-time inductees. I hope this answers your question.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 11:42am
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About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote:
  One name that hasn't been nominated for a few years now is Beck, He was first nominated for the 2022 class, but missed out on induction that year, Soundgarden and Dave Matthews Band were both first nominated for the 2020 class but both missed out on induction that year, Mary J. Blige was first nominated the following year for the 2021 class but missed out on induction that year, then Beck was nominated the following year for the 2022 class but missed out on induction that year, then Soundgarden came back for a second time the following year for the 2023 class but once again missed out on induction, then Mary J. Blige and Dave Matthews Band both came back for a second time this year for the 2024 class and this time, both got in, so don't be surprised to see Beck come back next year for the 2025 class and given how so much respect he has had with musicians, critics and industry people, Don't be surprised to see Beck as one of the 2025 inductees, plus the ceremony's most likely returning to Los Angeles (Beck's hometown) next year, so don't be surprised to see Beck come back and this time, get in next year for the 2025 class.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 11:05am
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About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote:
  I feel Outkast and Wu Tang Clan will all be nominated in front of other hip hop snubs

Outkast has the biggest selling album in hip hop genre and one of the greatest hip hop songs of all time

Wu-Tang Clan is another obvious choice. It's not just their success as a group, but also the fact that individual members have released several platinum albums, which is truly remarkable. Inducting the Wu-Tang Clan could encompass the careers of several rap artists with platinum-selling albums.

I think these two will be the highest priority hip hop snubs for rock hall in the next.

What do you think?.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 09:41am
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About Snubbed Members, Bill G wrote:
  I'm still scratching my head as to WHY SMOKEY ROBINSON has not been inducted with THE MIRACLES
…and JAMES BROWN has not been included with THE FAMOUS FLAMES. Both of these men were actually MEMBERS of these groups…and BOTH of them found fame WITH those groups…FIRST.
To not include them with the GROUPS with which they first found fame and success is a gross distortion of HISTORY..and I don't think that many people wouldn't say that BOTH artists deserve to be honored as DOUBLE INDUCTEES .
I don't think that the HoF should pick and choose SOME artists to be inducted TWICE…while OTHER DESERVING artists should NOT. After all , CURTIS MAYFIELD, MICHAEL JACKSON, CLYDE McPHATTER , SAMMY STRAIN, and JOHNNY CARTER are all inducted twice ((not to mention each individual BEATLE…) and the SOLO CAREERS of JAMES BROWN. and SMOKEY ROBINSON are separate and distinct from their careers as GROUP MEMBERS…and BOTH were members of their GROUPS long BEFORE their subsequent SOLO careers…(after all, why are so many trying to get DIANA ROSS inducted again?) SAME PRINCIPLE.
And NOW are they going to induct Lionel Richie AGAIN…with THE COMMODORES? and CHAKA KHAN with RUFUS ? Or is the Hall of Fame just going to distort history AGAIN , by just THROWING THE GROUPS AWAY ?
And will SONNY BONO EVER BE INDUCTED? or will his name and legacy just be DELETED ?

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has a practice and history of CREATING their OWN CONTROVERSIES !!
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 09:18am
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About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote:
  One thing to point out that next year (2025) is Iron Maiden's 50th anniversary as a band, so if there was ever a perfect year to induct them into the Rock Hall, It's next year without a doubt, I'm really hoping with Ozzy's solo induction this year, that next year is finally Maiden's year especially with their 50th anniversary next year.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 08:46am
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About the 2024 Inductees, Mat r wrote:
  Power

I agree I think maiden can get in on a ballot and unlike priest I don't think they'll be crammed in a side category.

They've been nominated twice against not only foo fighters and rage (two bands that also draw incredibly well but unlike maiden could headline Coachella, having general audiences matters) but also Soundgarden in 2023. If they get the Ozzy situation and they're the only harder rock act I think they can get in.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 08:24am
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About the 2024 Inductees, Elle Dee wrote:
  I think Sinéad might end up in the musical excellence category in the 2025 class because a lot of music critics and columnists are still pissed that she got snubbed. I'm sure the nom com are aware of the vitriol.
Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 03:09am
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About the 2024 Inductees, Ralib wrote:
  I can see Jeff Buckley being on the ballot next year. He has one of the most acclaimed albums of all time and has had a lot of influence other rockers in the industry from Radiohead to Soundgarden, and despite being out of the scene since 1997 he still gets a high amount of streams with 4.2 million monthly Spotify listeners.
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 23:52pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote:
  Mat r

What you said bodes well for Maiden as well. Maiden is also an arena tour act for about 30-40 years in US. Maiden could sneak in as performer on the right ballot
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 23:48pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, Mat r wrote:
  Will m

Regarding concert sellers don't forget: Dave Matthews band was the biggest box office draw of the 2000s.

I do think box-office drawing power has been the most under valued metric here especially with rock recently (the cure, Radiohead, def Leppard, doobie bros, nin, Depeche mode, foo fighters, Duran Duran, Rage, Ozzy, DMB are all massive live draws)
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 23:14pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, will m wrote:
  Ritchie,

I agree. Ozzy and Buffet means the most here.

Jimmy is a big concert seller, whose critically divisive but widely beloved by fans and fellow musicians, Crue fit that same bill.

Ozzy was an 80s metal star, more edged than def Leppard or bon Jovi. Crue could find a slot in based on Ozzy. and they'd add 4 more metal votes to help out say motorhead or maiden.
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 23:04pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote:
  Another name that I forgot that benefits from this year's class and will appear on the ballot and get in soon is Motley Crue.
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 21:38pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote:
  Power,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Mat R,

I plan on doing more posts like that soon.
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 21:34pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, Mat r wrote:
  Richie

Please do more posts like that
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 21:14pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote:
  I think Janes Addiction finished dead last.

I agree with Richie's analysis.
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 21:01pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote:
  I'm going to add some thoughts on this class:

I'm shocked that Mariah Carey and Lenny Kravitz both missed out, but they will be back and will both get in the next time that they are nominated.

Happy to see Mary J. Blige, Cher, Dave Matthews Band, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Kool & The Gang, Ozzy Osbourne, A Tribe Called Quest, Jimmy Buffett, MC5, Dionne Warwick and Big Mama Thornton all get in this year.

This is only the second time that the entire top five of the fan vote (Dave Matthews Band, Peter Frampton, Foreigner, Ozzy Osbourne and Cher) all got in (the first being two years ago in 2022 when Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics and Dolly Parton all got in after finishing in the top five of the fan vote).

Something we haven't worth mentioned yet that this is the first time that we have had a 8 Performer inductee class in over two decades, The last time that we had 8 inductees was back in 2001, I think that official Rock Hall voters now voting for 7 people instead of 5 now has really helped the huge backlog of deserving acts waiting to get in and we're going to see 7-8 acts get in each year now.

Also worth mentioning is that 17 of the 19 nominees for the 2018 class (Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, The Moody Blues, Nina Simone, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Radiohead, The Zombies, Depeche Mode, LL Cool J, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Kate Bush, Rage Against The Machine, Chaka Khan, Link Wray and MC5), 13 of the 15 nominees for the 2019 class (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks, Radiohead, Roxy Music, The Zombies, Todd Rundgren, LL Cool J, Kraftwerk, Rage Against The Machine, Chaka Khan and MC5), 13 of the 16 nominees for the 2020 class (Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, Nine Inch Nails, The Notorious B.I.G., T. Rex, Todd Rundgren, Kraftwerk, Pat Benatar, Judas Priest, Chaka Khan, Dave Matthews Band and MC5), 12 of the 16 nominees for the 2021 class (Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Todd Rundgren, Tina Turner, LL Cool J, Kate Bush, Rage Against The Machine, Chaka Khan, Mary J. Blige and Dionne Warwick) and 13 of the 17 nominees for the 2022 class (Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon, Judas Priest, Kate Bush, Rage Against The Machine, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Dionne Warwick) are now all in. The only nominees from 2018-2022 that are still not in yet are The J. Geils Band and The Meters for the 2018 class, Devo and John Prine for the 2019 class, Motorhead, Soundgarden and Thin Lizzy for the 2020 class, Devo, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti and New York Dolls for the 2021 class and Beck, Devo, Fela Kuti and New York Dolls for the 2022 class, so that is good news for Devo, Motorhead, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy, Iron Maiden, New York Dolls and Beck getting in soon either via the Performer category or in the Musical Excellence category.

All of the 60's, 70's and early 80's (aka Baby Boomer) acts that were nominated this year got in (Cher, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Kool & The Gang and Ozzy Osbourne plus Jimmy Buffett, MC5 (who were nominated in 2003, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2022) and Dionne Warwick (who was nominated in 2021 and 2022) in the Musical Excellence category) so this year's class is dominated by baby boomer acts and I'm so happy about that, That is good news for acts that have been previously nominated and debuted or peaked in the 60's, 70's and early 80's like Devo (nominated in 2019, 2021 and 2022), Iron Maiden (nominated in 2021 and 2023), Joy Division/New Order (nominated in 2023), Cyndi Lauper (nominated in 2023), Motorhead (nominated in 2020), New York Dolls (nominated in 2001, 2021 and 2022), The Replacements (nominated in 2014), The Smiths (nominated in 2015 and 2016), Sting (nominated in 2015), Thin Lizzy (nominated in 2020), War (nominated in 2009, 2012 and 2015) and Warren Zevon (nominated in 2023) to get in either via the Performer category or the Musical Excellence category soon. and names that debuted or peaked in the late 60's, 70's and early 80's that will appear on the ballot and get in either via the Performer category or the Musical Excellence soon as well like Diana Ross, Phil Collins, Bad Company, Jethro Tull, Boston, The Monkees, The Guess Who, Joe Cocker, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Bryan Adams, Harry Nilsson, Roberta Flack, Patti LaBelle, Barry White, Luther Vandross and The Pointer Sisters.

Worth noting is that the three 90's acts that were inducted this year were all previously nominated (Mary J. Blige was nominated in 2021, Dave Matthews Band was nominated and won the fan vote in 2020 and A Tribe Called Quest were nominated in 2022 and 2023), so that is good news for Beck (nominated in 2022) and Soundgarden (nominated in 2020 and 2023) the next time that they are on the ballot.

For the ones that missed out on induction this year, I think that Mariah Carey and Lenny Kravitz definitely have the best chances of getting in next year along with Sade, Oasis, Jane's Addiction and Eric B. & Rakim.

So overall, A very solid class this year.
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 20:08pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, xwing1212 wrote:
  Who does everyone think came dead last in the official vote?
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 19:54pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, More Than A Feeling wrote:
  xwing,

I would guess either Sade or Jane's Addiction. I'm not saying they aren't respected or can't get in but those I feel are the ones that got the lowest support
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 19:26pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, xwing1212 wrote:
  Who does everyone think came dead last in the official vote?
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 19:11pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, ChrisD wrote:
  Also just a question, but am I missing something about Culture Club? Why are they never in the conversation? Is Boy George too controversial or something? Or is their musical impact only something in my head?

Duran Duran and George Michael got in, Cyndi Lauper nominated and seen as a major snub…but Culture Club??
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 18:28pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote:
  ChrisD,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 18:24pm
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About the 2024 Inductees, ChrisD wrote:
  More thoughts:
-Forgot to add that an International Side Category is also useful to reward British/Anglosphere acts whom nobody knows or cares about…like Alexis Korner and John Mayall. Bring on Johnny Hallyday, Serge Gainsbourg, Fela Kuti, Miriam Makeba, Celia Cruz, Mariya Takeuchi, Joao Gilberto, Nina Hagen, Yellow Magic Orchestra, Mina, Grace Jones, Kylie Minogue
-90's dad rock is a token spot (DMBx2024) that left Lenny waiting in the wings. Still a backlog of 70's and 80's equivalents and maybe they rushed too quickly to the 90's
-Slightly disappointed at Sinead'd omission, even though I'd dismissed her as a one hit wonder. Would've been an emotional highlight in the show
-This year's ceremony will be a parade of "last hurrahs" for many
-I think Cher shows up contributing low effort. She doesn't walk the red carpet, doesn't perform. She accepts the award and exits the building. Similar to Janet Jackson's presentation
Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 18:12pm
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