Steve Perry

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Will Steve Perry be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
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Listen for yourself. Case closed.

Posted by Kevin on Monday, 03.10.08 @ 19:39pm


Nooo!

Posted by JJJ567 on Thursday, 03.20.08 @ 12:09pm


When I listen to Steve Perry sing it takes my breath away, his voice is so beautiful, and he is soooooo easy on the eyes, the complete package. He is everything I look for in a lead singer, and then some.

Posted by Vickie G. on Sunday, 05.4.08 @ 10:48am


Steve Perry is a God!! He is THE most talented male vocalist, period. He absolutely deserves to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!! (Plus, he is one gorgeous man!)!

Posted by PerryForEver on Monday, 05.5.08 @ 20:34pm


Steve Perry has the most captivating voice I've ever heard. I personally think he should be inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
He is well known to people as the "Voice".
Journey's songs went platinum as well as double platinum, when Steve Perry was their Frontman.

Posted by Perryistheone on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 09:14am


Steve Perry put his heart and soul into his songs. Whenever I hear Steve Perry's name or even think of Steve Perry with Journey it is Steve's beautiful and soaring voice that comes rushing to my mind immediately. He had an incredible way of just putting his emotions in his music so close to the surface that it just put the listener in another dimension. Even after all these years of listening to Steve Perry the passion is still there just like the very first day I heard his incredible voice. His music is still captivating new listeners even today and is a welcome and cherished memory to all who grew up with this beautiful voice. He truly deserves the honor of being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by qcluvthehair on Saturday, 05.24.08 @ 13:48pm


Yes, I love the voice. And if SP is nominated, it will and should be because he is not merely a voice but because he is the songwriter and the co-creator of a legacy of compelling written/arranged musical expression. If you look at the roster of HoF inductees, you might consider that these are artists (for the most part) who give their songs until, frankly, they stop breathing. And if the HoF is important to him, he will continue to pursue expressing his truth through song--I say there is more to hear from SP before induction.

Posted by DAL on Wednesday, 06.4.08 @ 20:52pm


Absolutely. His voice is behind the music that has meant the most to me in my life.

Posted by Laura McPhail on Wednesday, 06.11.08 @ 23:05pm


Steve Perry is/was the best male vocalist of all time!!

Posted by Nancy on Friday, 06.13.08 @ 14:42pm


Steve Perry has influenced so many musicians and he was mainly responsible for the band Journey having the success they had. His vocals are still heard on the radio every day.
I pray that his name will be on the list for the 2009 inductions.
I never thought that a vocalist would have such a huge impact on my life and the way I live it.

Posted by Heardonthestreet on Sunday, 06.15.08 @ 09:21am


By far the great male vocalist ever. "The Voice" says it all. His soaring tenor and charismatic stage presence are incomparable. He has had a temendous impact on the lives of many in the last 30 years. He deserves to be in the Rock and Rock Hall of Fame.

Posted by loveofmusic59 on Sunday, 06.15.08 @ 11:04am


I HIGHLY believe that Steve Perry should be inducted because he is so very deserving of it!

Besides his AMAZING vocal talents, he has provided the fans with SO MUCH music throughout all his time with Journey,as well as all his wonderful solo music too.

He has also worked with other musicians on their music projects too,such as Jeff Golub, David Pack,Nuno Bettencourt and many others.

Many of the musicians he has worked with on projects have spoken publicly about their admiration for Steve Perry's great talents too.

And I play his music all the time at home, and when I'm in my car, I hear his music playing on the radio every day, and still get excited when I hear his voice playing on the radio.

He is such a talented artist! He is a fantastic singer,song writer, and outstanding performer on stage.

With all that said, how could Steve Perry not get inducted in the hall of fame, HE certainly gets my vote!!!

Posted by Lori on Sunday, 06.15.08 @ 11:05am


Amazing voice. His work is still popular even with the younger kids. He deserves to be in!

Posted by Lisa P. on Tuesday, 06.17.08 @ 08:00am


Steve Perry should have been inducted to the RRHOF years ago. It's a crying shame that it has taken so long for him to be nominated. He is "The Voice" and in my opinion should be the only one in the HOF. There is no one on this earth that can sing like him but it's not only his voice, it's his character. He is an amazing man, truly a gift from GOD. Journey would have still been an instrumental band if he had not come along. No one does it like STEVE. I love you Steve. Please come back and sing to us.....

Posted by Ohbabyholdtight on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 22:33pm


Steve Perry fans:


You've been wrong before
Don't be wrong anymore

Foolish hearts.....

Posted by joker on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 23:23pm


If any one deserves it,its Steve.. Remeber all the dances,prom,parking there was always a Journey tune.. His amazing voice brings back so many wonderful memories. What a beautiful man with a beautiful voice. He deserves this more than anyone. please vote for Steve.

Posted by June on Friday, 06.20.08 @ 14:52pm


I can only hope not. I'm not even in any hurry to see Journey get inducted as a group, though I think there's room to argue for them. But Perry as a soloist? "Oh Sherrie" is reason enough to keep him out for eternity and beyond.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 06.22.08 @ 15:42pm


Of course Perry deserves it!! There are countless famous/credible artists that credit Perry for influencing their style of music. What a heavenly voice!! I guess that's why he was called 'The Voice'.

Posted by Annette on Tuesday, 07.1.08 @ 12:21pm


Steve Perry is the greatest singer to ever grace the microphone!

Posted by Sperry on Tuesday, 07.1.08 @ 13:54pm


Yes and yes.

Posted by Marie on Monday, 07.7.08 @ 12:53pm


I've heard very few other male vocalists as talented as Steve Perry. And just because he chooses not to perform is no indication of a lack of vocal ability. So many people who criticize this man certainly have no idea of what it takes to be in his situation......myself I admire him for his work ethic. Judy

Posted by Judy Magill on Monday, 07.7.08 @ 17:44pm


I've heard very few other male vocalists as talented as Steve Perry. And just because he chooses not to perform is no indication of a lack of vocal ability. So many people who criticize this man certainly have no idea of what it takes to be in his situation......myself I admire him for his work ethic. Judy

Posted by Judy Magill on Monday, 07.7.08 @ 17:44pm


Steve Perry changed music history when he became part of Journey, Not only did he help bring Journey to be one of the biggest stadium band in the 801's but his music has continued to empower many new musicians,as a mentor, producer& musician.
His voice has taken many fans to the deepest part of the songs he sang. You can tell that he gave a part of him to each of the songs that he wrote/cowrote and sang.
Best of luck to you Steve
and as alway yours faithfully

Posted by tami on Monday, 07.7.08 @ 21:24pm


I would love to see Steve in the hall of fame.
I think he is very talented and he deserves it.
He has given us many enjoyable songs throughout the years and he has the most wonderful voice I have ever heard---he sings with very deep emotion and makes you really feel the song.
I will forever be a fan of Steve's and it would be great to see him get this honor.

Posted by sandy on Tuesday, 07.8.08 @ 08:00am


Steve Perry is the greatest vocalist in rock history.Just listening to his soaring vocals sends chills.He is a ROCK GOD.

Posted by Geneie on Wednesday, 07.9.08 @ 22:07pm


I have been a Steve Perry fan from the moment I first heard him sing on the radio in 1979. He saved my life, fans have a hard time explaining exactly what has happened to them since hearing him. You are captivated by his voice, his performances where explosive and electrifying you didn't dare take your eyes off him nor did you want to. I have never seen a stage presence like his nor will I ever again her was pure magic.

Steve Perry Should be in the rock n roll hall of fame Now and forever

Thank you Steve Perry for giving us your heart and soul and the music that continues to bless our life's daily

Posted by Desiree on Monday, 07.14.08 @ 16:57pm


Steve Perry should be in the Rock N Roll HALL OF FAME!! His voice stands alone, It is so beautiful, and cuts right to the heart. He sings to his fans with his emotions and we know what he is trying to tell us. Steve Perry deserves this HONOR and will carry it well. He is a one of a kind singer, song writer, a precious gem of a man. You gotta vote for Steve, He's great! thank you.. Journeyforlife :-)

Posted by Journeyforlife on Monday, 07.14.08 @ 17:22pm


I reserve comment on Journey. I am not quite sure how history will view them, but I certainly admit to owning some of their albums and enjoying them way back when.

As for Steve Perry being inducted as a solo artist; not a chance.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 07.14.08 @ 17:28pm


Anyone who says they don't believe that Steve should be inducted is either envious of that incredible voice or clueless of what REAL talent is... If he isn't inducted, I will no longer give ANY credence to the R&RHF.

Posted by Carol on Monday, 07.14.08 @ 22:56pm


Without a doubt, of all those on the list, Steve Perry is the undeniable choice! His voice and his contribution to rock and roll are unmatched to the other possible choices.

Steve Perry's voice will resonate in the hearts of anyone who ever turned on a radio from the 70's till now!

Posted by Denise Rednour on Monday, 07.14.08 @ 23:06pm


Steve Perry is the most talented singer this world has ever known! His voice is incredible, he is extremely talented and Journey was awesome when it was really JOURNEY with STEVE PERRY! If he is not inducted, then I don't care who is because he deserves more than any solo-artist to be there! He deserves the recognition and appreciation for all those he has made happy with his beautiful voice all these years!

Posted by Regina on Monday, 07.14.08 @ 23:56pm


Steve Perry has the best voice of any singer in the last 25 years, and he was also a great great entertainer!! He was extremely handsome too, and he deserves to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. No one can or has replaced him in any of the above mentioned areas!! It can't be done.

Posted by Sheila on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 00:28am


Steve Perry is one of the best singers in our lifetime. There will never be another singer that matches the beauty of his voice.

Posted by Santiago on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 01:12am


Steve Perry Sooooo Deserves This! He's Soooo Amazeing. Till This Very Day,Everytime I Hear Faithfully,I See Him And Hear His Wonderful Soulfull Voice And Think Back To When Steve Was With Journey In The 80's. I Wish He Was Still With Them! When He Was With Them....They Just Sored! I Miss You Steve! You Sooo Deserve To Be In The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame! My Fingers R Soooo crossed 4 You To Win!I'm Forever Yours Faithfully....Xxoxoxoxoxox,Love,Tammy

Posted by Tammy Dinger on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 02:07am


Did the Back Street Boys fans move on to Steve Perry now? I swear, these are almost the same exact comments as the ones for those kids.

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 03:40am


I love steve perry!his voice is so amazing!he should be the one to get this award,because he puts his heart into every song he does,and on top of everything hes so handsome!:)I sure hope he wins!I love you steve!:) Adriana:)

Posted by Adriana on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 04:42am


blah-blah-blah...I definitely agree, and like the BSB fans they keep missing the point. He might get inducted with Journey...eventually. His solo stuff is so weak that he'll never even get considered.

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 06:20am


Sometimes I cannot believe some of the things I read. Gitar and Blah is right; perhaps Journey will one day be inducted but I do not believe that "Sherry" will lead Steve Perry's solo career into the HoF.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 07:46am


lol. It's incredible isn't it? I can't stand Steve Perry's voice... at least not when he tries a love ballad. "Oh Sherrie" makes me want to upchuck. Sorry ladies, it takes more than memories of being in some guy's backseat while Perry's music played in the background to make him worthy of HoF induction.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 08:31am


If anyone deserves it, Steve Perry does !!! He has given so much to music history with his passion & voice!! he is a writer & has fans all over the world. Those of you who talk bad about his "solo" work must not have seen him on his solo tour or heard all of his wonderful solo songs!! He was the "Voice" & heart of Journey!!

Posted by Debbie on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 09:36am


Out of all the singers out there that I've heard Steve Perry takes my breath away! He not only has the best vocals that I've heard, his showmanship is the best! I've never seen anyone that truley loves his work and his fans and show's it on stage! Steve still has Million of fans that still love him and WANT him in the R&R Hall of Fame 09'!

Posted by Jeanne on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 09:47am


Steve Perry is "The Voice" he deserves to be in the R&R HOF. Steve has accomplished so much, and he gave so much LOVE to all his millions of fans. I hope that all of the Original Journey fans will unite and vote everyday for Steve. He deserves this for all that Steve has given us. Perry On!!!

Posted by Dixie on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 10:07am


plz plz plz put steve perry on the rockin wall plz he so dusreves it plz he is anamzing voice and he rocks i mean he wrought songs that all of us know like don't stop belivin i know every one knows that song and can sing along so plz plz he needs thisthis man is amazing

Posted by Darrah on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 10:19am


The voice of this man was truly a gift from God. His vocal talents are incomparable. He seduced us with that soulful, beautiful voice from the first time he stepped into the spotlight. He paid his dues, it's time he is paid back with the respect and recognition he truly deserves for the many contributions he has made to the music world and to our lifes. I cannot think of anyone who deserves to be in the RHOF more than Steve Perry.

Posted by Charlie on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 10:23am


Two thumbs up and hands down - this guy deserves to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. There is no other voice out there like his. He was the total package when he was performing.

Posted by Charlene on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 11:28am


Thats right just listen to Steve's amazing "voice" he will warm your heart.
Steve's singing comes from the heart!!!

Posted by Steve PerryFan 4 ever on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 11:31am


Oh, brother...did I die and go to Rock & Roll hell or something?? Are we talking about the same Steve Perry?? I mean, his vocals were okay with Journey, for the most part...but "Sherry"???

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 11:55am


Hands down the man rocks, with his awesome voice and entertainment ability, rocks the house!!! I liked his solo stuff, too bad Journey uses someone who sings like him but will never be Steve Perry!!! If they even think of being inducted they had better put his name in it for sure!!!

Posted by Amanda on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 12:09pm


Charlene wrote:
"There is no other voice out there like his."

Thank God. I couldn't stand there being another voice like his. One is bad enough.

And I must be the only person alive who thinks "Don't Stop Believing" is an absurd song.

Let's make sure we point out the difference here--
Journey: fairly prolific band that still gets lots of airplay on classic rock radio for their rockers like "Wheel In The Sky" and "Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)." And despite sappy stinkers like "Faithfully" and "Open Arms," they're still moderately revered as a credible rock band.
Steve Perry solo: songs that are almost exclusively featured on Lite Rock stations that cater primarily to single, lovelorn women in their thirties or older (and possibly overweight, sometimes severely). If he were a 90's/00's act, he'd be Celine Dion, the Canadian harpee.

Only one of these has a serious chance of ever being inducted into the RnRHoF. Guess which one.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 12:40pm


Without a doubt, Steve Perry should be inducted into the future Rock Hall of Fame. All I have to do is hear a Journey song and his voice, and I'm just plain smiling. That unbelievable voice, that range, that power. What a beautiful God-given gift. I lament everyday that the world doesn't hear more from one of the greatest rock voices of all time. The man is a legend. Please Steve, if you ever read anything on this site, get back into the game, so that the world can enjoy more of that beautiful voice. I for one will never hear enough of it, and I've got plenty of company in feeling that way. Yes, Journey is touring again, and yes, they have a new lead singer, but there's only one Steve Perry. And, even if the lad can sing Journey tunes, only Steve Perry makes Journey songs the stuff of legends. Sing for us Steve. Please. Your can't tell me that it wouldn't put a smile on your Mom's face. Send her your love...the way only Steve Perry can -- singing your heart out. Best.

Posted by KGVeronica on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 12:44pm


Steve is the Man great singer and a gentleman should be in the hallof fame now.

Posted by dessie on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 12:50pm


Steve Perry is so great, he deserves his own hall of fame. I suppose the Rock 'N Roll Hall of Fame will have to do though. His voice is simply the best, and he IS the reason that Journey made it so big. No one can deny that. He is long over-due for this honor, and hopefully he will get it soon! We love the one, the only, Steve "The Voice" Perry! <3

Posted by perrylovingpoet on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 15:17pm


I agree that Steve belong in the Hall. Not only for his voice but for his mentoring of younger artists who have come long. He's not content to just sit and go with the flow he's always looking for a better way. How can someone who wants to move music forward be denied a place in the Hall?

Posted by Patricia on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 19:43pm


Okay...he definitely has a distinctive voice...but so do a lot of other singers. He was also the frontman for a very popular band...but so were a lot of other singers. A lot of the stuff you're saying really gives him too much credit (Who has he mentored? What on earth are you talking about "looking for a better way" All of it sounds about the same!!).

Add that to the fact that he seems to have fallen off the musical planet!

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 19:52pm


Philip..."the Canadian harpee"??? Man, that's funny!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 20:11pm


OMG WHATS WITH EVERYONE IN HERE? IF YOU DON'T LIKE STEVE PERRY WHY R U EVEN LOOKIN UNDER HIS NAME FOR THEN??? WHY EVEN POST A COMMENT? I KNOW.....CAUSE U JUST WANNA BE RUDE AND BAD MOUTH HIM. THAT'S REALLY MESSED UP! I MEAN COME ON....WHAT HAS HE EVER DONE TO YOU? GET OVER IT....MOVE ON IF U DON'T LIKE HIM,GET OVER IT AND GO VOTE 4 THE PPL U LIKE. U DON'T SEE ME BAD MOUTHING ANY OF UR OTHER SINGERS NOW DO YA???

Posted by Tammy Dinger on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 22:33pm


If you can write why you voted yes then I can write why I voted no.

It's called freedom of speech. Ever hear of it??

Posted by joker on Wednesday, 07.16.08 @ 00:49am


You people aren't giving any viable reasons why he should be in the HOF. There are a lot of artists who have had songs I have enjoyed over the years that I know for a fact will never see the inside of the HOF unless they buy a ticket!!

Quit acting like a bunch of brainless teeny-boppers and give us facts on his innovation and influence. I'm sure you will find very little once you think about it instead of redundantly stating how "wonderful" his voice is! His isn't the first or only one!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 07.16.08 @ 06:26am


I can't believe that you don't think Perry has any merit to being in the RHOF. His counter tenor range alone is unique. There are not many male vocalists that had such a range. His soulful interpretation that he delivered a song with is rare to say the least. So many vocalist just mouth the words. He didn't just sing a song, he delivered it with every inch of his being. He didn't just stand and sing into a microphone, he gave a concert goer their money's worth. He was a true showman without being vulgar or crude. He co-wrote songs that have become true American icons. I could go on and on, but you obviously are closed mind to this man's genuine talents.

Posted by charlie on Wednesday, 07.16.08 @ 16:17pm


charlie...you're still not giving a good argument. What you said about Perry is largely true, but you could also say the same thing about a number of other singers. There are very few people on here that have questioned his talent, it's just that no one has stated what makes him stand head and shoulders above the rest (which he really doesn't). Great voice, but "great voice" has been done before.

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 07.16.08 @ 19:10pm


Steve Perry is the ultimate singer and showman. He should have already been nominated/voted into the Hall of Fame in my opinion. I have never loved a voice the way that I love this man's, and I have never seen a performer give so much to each and every performance as this singer does. He is the consummate entertainer - - the total package, with his talent, energy, showmanship, looks, personality, wit, business sense, and charm. Steve Perry is, after all, "THE VOICE"!!!

Posted by Terry on Thursday, 07.17.08 @ 20:32pm


Steve Perry is the BEST and he should be in the hall of fame. Did not vote for anyone else.

Please pass this along so other fans can vote!

Thank You!

Posted by Allyson on Thursday, 07.17.08 @ 20:37pm


The voting on this site is an OPINION POLL!!!! The nominating committee will not even give him a thought, especially since they've been hedging on Journey.

Sorry if you thought your vote meant anything!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 07.17.08 @ 22:23pm


This may be only an opinion poll, as you say, but at least whoever reads it will know how we feel about Steve. That counts as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by patt on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 06:06am


Here is my opinion - Steve Perry as a solo artist has no right to ever be inducted into the Hall of Fame. He did nothing worthwhile.

As the lead singer of Journey, that is another discussion.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 07:39am


This is Steve Perry we're talking about. I never stop believin'.
I'm perfectly sure he'll be the last human being that my brain will remember when I get dementia. I'll hold on to that feeling.

Posted by someone still in love with steve on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 07:45am


Steve Perry has been an inspiration to music and musicians alike. He was known for an extensive range from a high tenor to a low bass. His voice carried a strong clear sound that resonated in every song. He is one of the most recognized voices of all time. The fact that people still buy CD's today and request his songs on the radio, after so many years of being out of the limelight. Attests to the endurance of the love of the people for this one man's unique and beautiful voice.

Posted by ginger on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 08:26am


Stop it now - all of you!

You do understand the difference between Steve Perry, Lead Singer for Journey and Steve Perry, solo artist?

If Journey is ever inducted, then Steve Perry will get into the Hall of Fame.

Steve Perry as a solo artist has no chance of ever being inducted. His solo work was nothing more than what he did with Journey, only not as good.

Yes he has good vocal range. If they ever create a Hall of Fame for vocalists alone, then I am sure he will be considered for it.

So remember:

As a member of Journey - he definitely has a chance of getting in. And if they were nominated, I would have no problem with that. I like some of Journey's music.

As a solo artist - his chances are as good as the Partridge Family. That would mean - zero!

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 08:57am


Hmmm. Steve Perry vs. Tom Jones -- who has more delusional fans?

Posted by mel on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 10:11am


Well personally I believe Steve Perry SHOULD be inducted in the HOF just based on his spectacular VOCAL TALENTS alone.

The fact that there are so MANY,MANY singers out there TRYING to "immulate" and "copy cat" Perry's amazing "vocal style" of singing,it just shows what a HIGHLY EXCEPTIONAL talented singer Steve Perry really is to the music world.

There are so many singers that WANT to be able to "sing and sound" just like HIM, but they can never pull it off totally, because they just DON'T have the full package of "vocal abilities" to SING like him.

Steve Perry on the other hand is an original singer, he doesn't TRY to sound like anyone else, HE developed his own singing style and gave the fans his "personal best" every time he sang, whether it be in the studio making Cd's, or performing on Stage, he gives the fans his all!

Then you add all his other great talents like being able to write his own songs and even produce his own great solo projects... that's just even MORE great reasons for Steve Perry to be inducted in the RORHOF in 2009.

The way I see it, Steve Perry should be inducted in the RORHOF in 2009 and with Journey too. With all that said, RORHOF, please induct Steve Perry in the RORHOF in 2009, he highly deserves the recognition and honors!











Posted by Lori on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 10:51am


I think the Tom Jones fans mentored their granddaughers who are Backstreet Boy fans who in turn pushed the lever on their Mums who are Steve Perry fanatics.

I have nothing against fans who love their musical artists. They should always support the music they love, but this conversation is about induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And the arguement these fans are putting forth is exactly the same as the one before and which we have all read at least a thousand times between the three artists.

Here is the criteria for induction:

Innovation
Influence
Perpetuation of the artform

Journey may see the light at the end of the tunnel one day and if they go in, so does Steve Perry. But his solo career was rehashed crap that would have been good enough for Journey.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 11:34am


how you anyone not want steve perry in the hall of fame. he rose journey to stardom and even when he left, he proved he can make it on his own with his sexy ballads, jazz and blues songs. steve deserves it!!

Posted by diana on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 16:08pm


Well, since this is getting more ridiculous by the minute, I have to direct this at Lori...

"The fact that there are so MANY,MANY singers out there TRYING to "immulate" and "copy cat" Perry's amazing "vocal style" of singing,it just shows what a HIGHLY EXCEPTIONAL talented singer Steve Perry really is to the music world" -Lori

Okay, Lori...my question is simply "who'?" Name one high profile singer in recent memory who people said they were a "Steve Perry wannabe", or "he's the next Steve Perry" (and we're going to exclude the two guys they recruited to replace him). Lots of luck!!!

Steve Perry was a good singer in a good band in an era of rock where there were a number of pretty good frontmen in pretty good bands. His solo career really didn't amount to anything and certainly didn't remain in the mainstream for very long.

You people are basically making him look bad because you are not able to give any rational arguments on why he should be inducted. Innovative...what had he done that hadn't been done before. Influential...the aforementioned "who". Perpetuation of the artform...I won't even go there.

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 19:01pm


Steve Perry is the voice that brought Journey to superstar status. His soaring tenor is the sound of angels. His solo work is some of the best vocals in music. In the name of justice, for all he has done for the music industry, Steve Perry needs to be in the R&R HOF

Posted by vicki on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 20:05pm


Reposting the following for truth:

"You do understand the difference between Steve Perry, Lead Singer for Journey and Steve Perry, solo artist?

If Journey is ever inducted, then Steve Perry will get into the Hall of Fame.

Steve Perry as a solo artist has no chance of ever being inducted. His solo work was nothing more than what he did with Journey, only not as good."

If you're saying Steve Perry deserves induction, you are talking STRICTLY as a solo artist. His accomplishments with Journey mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING towards his merit as a solo artist.

Excellent comparison: look at Frankie Valli. He was inducted with THE REST OF HIS GROUP, the Four Seasons. He also had a moderately successful solo career, but he has NOT been inducted as a solo artist. And you know what? Most fans of his understand that he will never be inducted because what he did as a soloist APART FROM THE FOUR SEASONS doesn't warrant him for induction. Not even singing the title theme to "Grease" is sufficient credentials (though imo, that would be a strike against him. Nyuk nyuk nyuk.) His solo career was mostly love songs and later some disco efforts.

Same with Steve Perry. Whatever argument you make for Journey is IRRELEVANT, NULL, AND VOID when it comes to discussing the merits of Steve Perry as a solo artist. Losing your virginity in a vehicular backseat while his ballads pealed out of the dashboard speakers and wafted through the starry night is NOT sufficient reason to induct Steve Perry as a solo artist. Like I said, solo Steve Perry was the Celine Dion of the 80's.

And could we please hear from a contingent that doesn't and never wanted to have Steve Perry's baby?

Posted by Philip on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 23:18pm


OK you guys, enough, you have made your opinions very clear.... you feel the need to "enlighten" Steve Perry fans that his solo work was not good enough, and he will never be inducted w/out Journey.

Whether he is inducted or not is irrelevant... we have a right to our perspectives and opinions, and if we believe that Steve is the greatest vocal artist of all time and that "Sherrie" is one of the greatest songs of the 80's, with the best intro of any song in history, that is our right.

It's probably time now for you to move on to enlighten other, in your opinions, delusional fans of artists who won't cut it.

Posted by Carol on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 12:53pm


And I am well aware that the title of the song is "Oh Sherrie" I was just making the point that it ends with ie rather than y, which is how it was spelled in some of the comments above trashing the song.

Posted by Carol - AKA soldonhim on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 13:31pm


...as we have the right to question your so-called arguments, Carol. For my part, I just wanted to hear why he's qualified for induction. "Oh Sherrie" (whatever) is not a song I would've picked if I had that sort of vocal range...let's face it, it's a LAME song! I won't argue the point that the sky would've been the limit for someone with his talent, but he got complacent, and that usually leads to stale. He should've challenged himself. There were a ton of people doing corny "ballads" during that era, did he have to join in?

There are a lot of "con" arguments here that make sense. Instead of trying to tell people to "quit picking on him", you should be trying to come up with a viable case for his induction. Either that, or re-think your taste in music.

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 14:07pm


How many songs have you heard then, Carol? Fifty?

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 14:39pm


I won’t face any such thing, my taste in music is my taste, and I am completely happy with it… and like Steve, I have a 5 octave vocal range and come from a very musically talented family. I know MANY—-including young people who believe much of today’s music sucks—-who think Oh Sherrie totally rocks, as well as other SP tunes.

I am tired of arrogant people who think they are so musically knowledgeable—-especially when it comes to rock—-and feel they are above appreciating what they consider to be “corny ballads”…if you don’t, fine, that’s your privilege, but why the need to slam those of us who consider this to be good music? I find this totally offensive and abusive. I like some of everything from hard rock to Enya… isn’t variety and differing opinions what makes the world go round?

I don’t doubt that Steve could have done even greater things with his one-of-kind talent then he did, but I happen to believe that what he did do was incredible, whether with Journey or without, and I can’t think of anyone else who deserves to be inducted more than “the voice” himself… call me and thousands of others delusional, but no matter what you or anyone else says, I will never change my mind... period.

Posted by Carol on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 15:45pm


You don't come up with any rational thoughts or ideas as to why he should be inducted, If he had "5 octave range", he never seemed to exhibit it, what was he waiting for? Once again, for my part, I just want you to explain to me, with the essential criteria which has been provided numerous times, why he should be in the HOF as a solo artist! The more you rant, the more juvenile you appear. It's a simple question...ANSWER IT!!

P.S.- You're the only one referring to Steve Perry fans and yourself as "delusional".

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 16:10pm


I can’t think of anyone else who deserves to be inducted more than “the voice” himself….. (Carol)

Here are a few that deserve it much more:

Deep Purple
ELP
King Crimson
Alice Cooper
The Stooges
NY Dolls
Cheap Trick
Joy Division
Procul Harum
T. Rex
The Cure
The Smiths
Def Leppard
The Runaways
Pat Benetar
Gang of Four

Each band I listed hit on at least one major criteria; whether it be some new style, or influencing many that were to follow or reinventing an earlier genre which helped perpetuate the artform. Steve Perry never dominated the music scene nor did he ever cause a rumbling in the underground scene.

I will say that as some more bands get in, Journey may certainly be considered and with them, Steve Perry. But his voice alone does not does not get him in. Yes, he has a great voice, and I certainly have no problems with you all loving and supporting him. But this website is about the RnR HoF, not sweet voices.

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 16:22pm


Steve Perry totaly dasereves this if you care about good music you would do this if you car about a nice man you would vote yes for this man he is one of a kind you so need to vote yes this man i amazing and no one has a voice like his i mean no one plz plz plz if this world is so nice like they say they are then plz vote yes he is a trully nice guy

Posted by Darrah on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 17:14pm


I vote no because I heard Steve is not really a nice person. The word is he doesn't like puppies and kittens. He is a bad man ;-D

Posted by blah-blah-b;ah on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 17:23pm


Where did you hear such crap? It is well known that Steve Perry is a huge animal rights advocate, and if you read his interview at the GQ website from a few months ago you will see what a gentleman he is.

Posted by cdunsmoor@svdp.us on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 22:09pm


Darrah wrote:
"if you care about good music you would do this if you car about a nice man you would vote yes"

Well, Darrah, hence the expression "nice guys finish last." lol Seriously though, being a nice guy, or even a consummate professional has absolutely nothing to do with merit for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. Simple fact of the matter is that the Hall Of Fame is full of artists who did their share of drugs, and your share and my share, too. Some of them weren't exactly known as nice guys or professionals about their work.

Carol, I don't claim to be above love ballads, though "Oh Sherrie" is just a bit too sappy for me. But, with few exceptions, the only "corny love song" artists who get inducted into the Hall are the ones who did it as soul singers/musicians, not Middle Of the Road (now known as Adult Contemporary) pop. Lettermen: not in. Carpenters: not in. Air Supply: not in. New Colony Six: not in.

I won't claim to be a pillar of musical knowledge (though others have called me things to that effect), but I have kept track of who's been nominated and who's gotten in (in my two years of actually predicting, I'm 9/10... upset only by the Ventures who got in instead of the Beasties). Steve Perry as a solo artist is not even close to what they look for when nominating artists. Journey may not even be, either, though I think they've a better shot.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 23:34pm


havn't been here for a while. I don't quite understand the big hoopla here over Steve Perry in the HOF. IMO Journey should be in but Steve Perry as a solo artist? Hello McFly's out there never gonna happen. That's like saying Mark Knoffler should be in for his solo work(even though his main stuff is with Dire Straits.)

The real question is......why isn't Danger Danger getting the street cred here? Help me out on this Liam!

Posted by dano on Sunday, 07.20.08 @ 02:13am


Greetings, dano...if you think this is bad, you shoulda been here for "Backstreet Boys Week"!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 07.20.08 @ 10:11am


Always controversy whenever Perry is the topic.

There is no denying that he has one of the best voices of our time though it is doubtful he will ever be inducted for his solo work. It's quite possible he will with Journey at some point. With Steve as lead they were one of the most successful bands ever, and their albums still continue to sell well. But hey, if his fans believe he should be in the hall for his own stuff then let em. The guy certainly has an appeal for many people that goes even beyond his musical gifts, and there ain't nothing wrong with that.

Posted by NealT on Sunday, 07.20.08 @ 10:46am


I agree that Steve Perry has a good voice, and he is the reason that Journey ended up being successful. But thats not what he's being nominated for. He is being nominated for a solo-career. He only released 2 albums, with only one good single, "Oh Sherrie" Perry hasn't accomplished much as a solo-career. 2 albums and one good single. It's not good enough for induction.

Posted by Nathan on Sunday, 07.20.08 @ 15:51pm


Steve Perry is an artist, song writer, producer, one of the best vocialists in history
He absolutely deserves to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!!

is a Shakespeare of Rock

Posted by PerrytheBest on Sunday, 07.20.08 @ 18:48pm


Perry Lovers Unite!! Let's make sure that Steve and the rest of the world knows how much we love this man and all the wonderful music he has given us so far. And how we look forward to hearing that beautiful voice again!

Posted by vicki on Sunday, 07.20.08 @ 19:57pm


Gitarzan: "Greetings, dano...if you think this is bad, you shoulda been here for "Backstreet Boys Week"!!"

LMAO!!!! I purposely distanced myself from that one for a reason: mainly, my lead-lined suit had a leak in it, and didn't want to risk entering that conversation without it.

PerryTheBest: "Shakespeare of Rock"

Responses like this make me feel like everything I've said has reached one of those telephone automated messages that says, "The number you have just dialed is not in service at this time."

vicki: "Perry Lovers Unite!! Let's make sure that Steve and the rest of the world knows how much we love this man"

Behold, the evolution of the restraining order.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.20.08 @ 23:02pm


Are all these Perry fans voting here confused? Do they think this is actually some sort of link to the voting committee?

I'd like to see all the Perry fans & all the Backstreet fans go toe-to-toe in a battle royal for the right to post on this site.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 07.21.08 @ 04:55am


How can there be any question? This man is a legend and is "the Voice". After all these years, I still get chills listening to his music!

Posted by BFNAZ on Monday, 07.21.08 @ 16:19pm


Okay, I love Steve Perry, but I think if he's going to be inducted in the HOF it needs to be with Journey. His solo material was very little (only 2 albums) and neither were as significant as the Journey albums. So, Steve Perry yes with Journey, no as a solo artist.

Posted by Kat on Monday, 07.21.08 @ 20:31pm


Kat...thank you!! He is very lucky to have a fan like you and you putting things in perspective like you did was very refreshing. You may now pass "GO" and collect 200.00...lol

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 07.21.08 @ 20:36pm


I am amazed at how many people get on to blog against Steve being inducted. If you don't care for him, don't vote for him. There are some "new Journey" fans who are starting a hate campaign against him because they like the new lead singer. Check your motives. Would you like people to do the same to someone you like and admire due to either lack of preference for a style or personal vindeta? Keep it fair.
Perry made rock ballads a standard when he fought for Open Arms. His solo album Street Talk had great success. Explain to me why we wait till the artist is dead or nearly dead before they can be inducted? Isn't he one of the most recognizable voices in music today? He has a following of fans who still await new releases. Most musicians are easily forgotten. If you think he isn't memorable. Type his name into google. See how many sites love him or hate him are dedicated to this very tallented man. He was always re-inventing his work. The Street Talk album is nothing like the For the Love of Strange Medicine album. No two songs sound the same, he is always experimenting with music and sounds.

As for the person Posting as Dameon- why do you hate him so much? Don't you have someone else to support that you do like that would not require you to vent so much, and so often against him? Personal Vindeta? Makes me wonder. If you didn't hate him you would not make this your "goal" to keep him out.

Posted by artist4perry on Monday, 07.21.08 @ 21:40pm


artist4perry...the fact that Steve Perry's solo work just isn't good enough to be considered for nomination doesn't mean there's a "hate" campaign. People like Dameon are just stating a fact...if he's going to get in at all, it will be with Journey. His mainstream solo stuff did pretty much sound the same...if he does all this "experimenting", he must just do it for a select few.

It's been said on this site before, if you like him...great! He's lucky to have great fans. You give reasons for induction that have no basis of fact whatsoever. I've gone on my subscription service and sampled the majority of his solo work (trust me...it's all there). The reason it's unmistakably Steve Perry is because his core sound is the same on nearly every song. If you think it isn't, then you have a tin ear.

No one, including Dameon has questioned his talent. You think no one should question this man's qualifications for induction, but they're just not there...he should've done more to broaden his horizons. Heaven knows he has the ability. All he seems to do now is sit on his laurels, which is a waste of talent. People slam artists I've enjoyed over the years, and not everyone on this agrees agrees with me, which is fine...it's their opinion and they're entitled to it.

Sounds to me like you need to develop thick skin. The majority of people on this site don't think he'll be in unless it's with Journey (and they've given good reasons why), and the nominating committee doesn't seem to be that crazy about them. The voting on this site is an opinion poll, anyway. Why do you even pay attention to it?

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 07.21.08 @ 22:49pm


Wow this HOF thing for Perry is getting hot! Again for all you Stever Perry fans...its not like people are bashing him and saying that he sucks. What they are saying is that if he goes in the HOF it's on the merits of when he was with Journey (which I believe they should). So again just read what people have said (except the Journey haters) he belongs with Journey.

Posted by dano on Monday, 07.21.08 @ 23:38pm


Steve is an artist, song writer, producer, one of the best vocalists in history
Steve has done collaborations with other artist and bands.
His talent ,One of the Best Voices of Rock
OF ALL TIME , wonderful Music, and legacy.
He absolutely deserves to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!!
"WITH OR WITHOUT JOURNEY"

Posted by Perrythebest on Tuesday, 07.22.08 @ 00:46am


Artist4perry - Have you even read one comment that I have written? There is not one comment do from me putting down Steve Perry's vocal ability. I happen to like his voice and I enjoy listening to Journey when the mood hits me.

All I have done here is comment on why I believe he does not deserve induction as a solo artist. That doesn't mean that I don't appreciate his singing talents.

So I am not a hater. What I am becoming is a hater of his fans. All you do is whine and moan that he should be inducted because you love him and he sings sweetly. Sorry, but that is not a benchmark for induction. Give me 5 artists that have been quoted as saying that Steve Perry influenced their way of singing and writing songs and then I will start relooking at my perspective on this.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 07.22.08 @ 05:29am


Enough's enough here! I's very simple:

Perry w/ Journey - YES

Perry Solo - NO

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 07.22.08 @ 05:37am


Steve is an artist, song writer, producer, one of the best vocalists in history
Steve has done collaborations with other artist and bands.
His talent ,One of the Best Voices of Rock
OF ALL TIME , wonderful Music, and legacy.
He absolutely deserves to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!!
"WITH OR WITHOUT JOURNEY"

Posted by Steve Perry Fan #1 Giss on Tuesday, 07.22.08 @ 11:49am


You people sound like a broken record! Your reasoning carries no fact, substance, or rationale. I am of a mind like Dameon...if you can actually come up with the prescribed criteria (which have been mentioned countless times on this site) concerning Steve Perry as a solo artist, I would most assuredly rethink my position on him.

Otherwise, you just sound like another narrow-minded fan with a jaded view of his solo career.

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 07.22.08 @ 11:56am


Dameon + Guitarzan
What you are failing to recognize is that Steve is incredibly handsome!!! He not only has the sweetest voice in rock, but he makes girls melt at his sight!! He is way hotter than hall of famers like Stephen Tyler and Chuck Berry! HE DESERVES IT!!!

Posted by Chris! on Tuesday, 07.22.08 @ 12:21pm


Chris!...I'll keep that in mind (can we have another "oh, brother"??)

Funny thing...I just recently saw a clip of Journey with Arnel Pineda. He does sound amazingly like Steve Perry (I already gathered that they don't look alike, so don't even bring it up).

What I think is funny is the fact that I hear the original is still available...

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 07.22.08 @ 12:37pm


Speaking of Arnel Pineda, this gentleman dispells "no one can sing like Steve Perry". He sounds so much like him that if you weren't watching a video, you'd swear it WAS Steve Perry. If anyone hasn't heard him yet, go to YouTube and listen...pretty uncanny!

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 07.22.08 @ 13:10pm


If anyone is questioning Steve Perry's induction into the RHOF, then you need to go back thru all those who have already been inducted and ask yourself a big WHY? There are many already in the Hall that have made little contribution. Like the man or not, he at least contributed a truly beautiful voice, interpretation of song, as well as write songs for both his albums which did do very well. Whether you like "Oh Sherrie", or not, it landed at number 3 on the charts, so pretty many must have liked it. If you compare Perry to today 's vocalists and this is the next crop from which you have to pick from for the Hall, Perry's the one who should pass go and collect his induction.

Posted by charlie on Tuesday, 07.22.08 @ 13:14pm


charlie...So how do you explain the fact that Journey's new lead singer sounds so much like him? He is most assuredly part of this "next crop" that you speak of. I personally like the idea that Journey has a lead singer who can deliver the old classics (probably better than Perry could at this time) and go with them into uncharted territory.

As far as people who are undiserving in the HOF...I think it stumps everyone who comes on this site to some degree. I personally think about Percy Sledge, who really only had one hit of note (written by someone else)and was somehow inducted. I think that is the ultimate form of a "one-hit wonder".

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 07.22.08 @ 13:43pm


Of course, Steve should be in the hall of fame. He's in the top 5 of every list I've seen of the greatest male vocalists of all time. I, obviously think he is the greatest. He's has amazing showmanship, and he's completely sexy. Definitely all the ingredients for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame!!!!

Posted by myE5C4P3 on Tuesday, 07.22.08 @ 15:31pm


For the record, the word "escape" can be typed on the computer w/out using numbers to fill in for letters. I will proceed to show you how.

The letter "E" can be found near the tab key. See the letter "E"? Good.

The letter "S" is diagonal from that. See the letter "S"? Good.

If you keep looking, I'm sure you'll spot the rest. If you need help, E5C4P3, I'll send for R2D2, o.k.? Over & out.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 07.22.08 @ 16:56pm


"I personally think about Percy Sledge, who really only had one hit of note (written by someone else)and was somehow inducted."--Gitarzan

Yeah, G, when I read that Sledge was getting in, I scratched my head too. Admittedly though, he's not the first act to cross my mind. Buffalo Springfield does. Now, don't get me wrong... "For What It's Worth" is a monument of its time, and their album tracks are probably quite envelope pushing, but even Percy had more hits that the Buffalo Springfield.

Of course, it could also be argued that the following other artists were inducted on the strength of ONE SONG alone (though I don't agree with that idea, really): Bill Haley, Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers, Carl Perkins, and maybe even Gene Vincent and Eddie Cochran. As I said, though, I think those arguments are absolute crap.

"but he makes girls melt at his sight!!"---Chris!

They also melted at Liberace. He doesn't belong in the HoF anymore than solo Steve Perry. That's about the worst argument for Steve I've seen.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 07.22.08 @ 17:09pm


Steve is an artist, song writer, producer, one of the best vocalists in history
Steve has done collaborations with other artist and bands.
His talent ,One of the Best Voices of Rock
OF ALL TIME , wonderful Music, and legacy.
He absolutely deserves to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!!

Posted by 3V0LUTION on Wednesday, 07.23.08 @ 01:07am


Anyone who says they don't believe that Steve should be inducted is either envious of that incredible voice or clueless of what REAL talent is... If he isn't inducted, I will no longer give ANY credence to the R&RHF

He deserves to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!!

Posted by FRONTI3R5 on Wednesday, 07.23.08 @ 01:09am


3VOLUTION AND FRONTI3R5 - I no longer give you credence as a fan who knows anything.

Steve Perry - solo artist?

Really, what drugs are you people taking? Either you stop taking them or share them with the rest of us. One question - why are you all using numbers in your names? Oh wait, I remember, Journey did that on their album covers. Totally innovative guys!

Induct The Stooges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Wednesday, 07.23.08 @ 05:42am


Steve is an artist, SOLO
song writer, producer, one of the best vocalists in history
Steve has done collaborations with other artist and bands.
His talent ,One of the Best Voices of Rock
OF ALL TIME , wonderful Music, and legacy.
He absolutely deserves to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!! "LIKE IT OR NOT "
"WITH OR WITHOUT JOURNEY"



Posted by Perry Lover on Wednesday, 07.23.08 @ 11:04am


Why should it even be up for debate?!? "The Voice" should have been in a long time ago. He has the singular, most beautiful, unique voice of ANY singer, past or present. My CD changer has nothing but Steve Perry/Perry-era Journey in it at all times. He's a shoo-in!!!

Posted by stevesgirl83 on Wednesday, 07.23.08 @ 17:06pm


I forgot to add: he should be inducted on his own; WITHOUT Journey!! They would have been nothing without him but he took that band to where they got!

Posted by stevesgirl83 on Wednesday, 07.23.08 @ 17:08pm


To all Perry fanatics, i dont think you're helping Perry at all. Dameon, Gitarzan & others made their point on attacking Perrys weaknesses, and you should not take it personal. Instead, defend him with specific details based on the criteria provided. If you're saying he has a unique voice or being the voice or you been moved by his voice, i think thats not good enough.

Ironically, the criteria is located above the yes and no button. or here it is..

"Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist's contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll."

On the other hand, "DSB". who knows he may be inducted because of enormous persistence from you people!!!

Keep on believin. Cheers.

Posted by janus65 on Wednesday, 07.23.08 @ 22:14pm


The point is that no one is attacking Steve Perry. He has a great voice and knows what music sounds best for his vocal range. Journey was an excellent conduit for his vocal abilities. And if they go into the Hall of Fame, a lot of the credit will have to go to Perry.

My comments are only about Steve Perry's solo career and if it merits consideration for the Hall of Fame. And based on the criteria set forth by the governing board of the Hall of Fame, it is my objective and subjective opinion that his solo career meets none of these benchmarks/requirements.

If anyone can show me articles or interviews with other musicians that say Perry's solo career influenced them, then I am more than happy to present a mea culpa to everyone. But until then, c'est la vie!

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 07.24.08 @ 07:23am


Dameon...I guess he must've influenced Arnel Pineda a bit...lol!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 07.24.08 @ 07:34am


Steve is an artist, SOLO
song writer, producer, one of the best vocalists in history
Steve has done collaborations with other artist and bands.
His talent ,One of the Best Voices of Rock
OF ALL TIME , wonderful Music, and legacy.
He absolutely deserves to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!! "LIKE IT OR NOT "
he should be inducted on his own; WITHOUT
Journey!! They would have been nothing without him but he took that band to where they got!



Posted by SteveperryTreasure on Thursday, 07.24.08 @ 12:55pm


I'm sorry but saying that Journey would've been nothing without Steve Perry is BS. It was the combination of musicians working together that made that band do great things. Neal Schon is one of the greatest and underrated guitarists in Rock n Roll, Steve Smith is also an awesome and underrated drummer, and both Jon Cain and Greg Rolie were/still are amazing pianists. And they ALL worked together to make great songs. And ALL of them were incredibly influential, not just Steve Perry.

There is no doubt that Steve Perry is talented and charismatic, no one is denying that at all, but I just don't think his solo career merits induction. If you're gonna say that Journey would've been nothing without Steve then you can equally say that Steve would've been nothing without Journey. Before joining he had all but given up on the music business.

You might not like the Journey of today, but the Rock-n-Roll HOF is not going to take band politics into consideration, so just drop the hatred on the current lineup.

Posted by Kat on Thursday, 07.24.08 @ 22:07pm


I hear ya, Kat; Journey were jackshit with Steve Perry anyway.

It's telling how you've given 0 examples of how "ALL of them were incredibly influential."

Posted by Liam on Friday, 07.25.08 @ 05:20am


First of all this is not about Journey, this is about Steve Perry being inducted in the HOF as a SOLO artist.

So I'll bring the topic back on track...Steve Perry! And I say YES, He should be inducted in the HOF for his solo works. I hear HIS music still playing on the radio today such as "Oh Sherrie", "Foolish Heart", "Strung Out" and "I Stand Alone".

Many of Perry's solo music is all over the internet on youtube, with fans giving "high praises" in their comments to his VOICE and SONGS. PROOF that Perry's solo music is LOVED and still listened to today by fans new and old.

Now I'm not naming them all, "For The Love Of Strange Medicine" Cd, like "You Better Wait", "Missing You", and from the, "Steve Perry Greatest Hits" Cd, "What Was",and "It Won't Be You",are all on youtube too.

Also his music from "Street Talk cd too, like "Oh Sherrie" and "Foolish Heart" and "Strung Out", and more are all on youtube as well.

Besides Perry being the singer, song writer, and Producer of his own solo projects, he also has worked and created music with David Pack, Jeff Golub, Kenny Loggins, and more.

And with that said, Perry is versatle in his abilitiy to SING different styles of music, and do it exceptionally too!!

I believe Steve Perry and "HE ALONE" highly deserves to be inducted in the R&R HOF in 2009.

This is based on his amazingly talented vocal abilities, and for the impact he has made with his own solo music with fans that still continue to listen to HIS music all around the world today.









Posted by Lori on Friday, 07.25.08 @ 10:31am


It must be me. I am the idiot! Forget about the stated criteria in regards to the HoF. That means squat when it comes to Steve Perry.

The guy has a sweet voice, several solo albums that charted somewhere in the top 100, several YouTube clips, thousands of adoring fans who base their opinions on nothing specific and some airplay on some classic rock radio stations (FYI - I have not heard a song from his solo career on the radio in the last 20 years and my car only has an AM/FM radio in it).

So, I offer my sincerest apologies to all the Steve Perry fanboys/girls/whatever. You have put me in my place. Clealy Steve Perry is right there with Freddie Mercury as the greatest frontman of all time.

Now where is the Jack Daniels?

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 07.25.08 @ 12:11pm


So good of you to realize the truth of Steve Perry, Brother Dameon. Now you can be cleansed. Now you know the truth of how inductees are chosen is meaningless when it comes to the Great Steve Perry. Let us read from the Book of Steve:

"When God said, 'Let there be light,' Steve Perry said, 'Say "Pretty Please."'"

And let us not forget that when Steve Perry jumps into a lake, Steve Perry does not get wet, the lake gets Perryed.

And when the tax authorities audit Steve Perry, he sends them a picture of himself crouched and ready to strike. Thus Steve Perry has never had to pay taxes ever.

When Steve Perry was born his crying voice seduced the delivery nurse... and that was the THIRD woman Steve Perry seduced and had sex with.

And all Steve Perry's people said, "Amen."

Posted by Philip on Friday, 07.25.08 @ 17:07pm


Philip...lest we forget that alien abductors ask him to probe them!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 07.25.08 @ 17:45pm


And let us not forget that when Steve Perry jumps into a lake, Steve Perry does not get wet, the lake gets Perryed. (philip)

Is that why they named that water Perrier?

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 07.26.08 @ 08:19am


I know that this is just an opinion poll and everyone has the right to their own, but if you truly don't like Steve Perry, then why come to this particular poll. A wise man once said, It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. With some of these posts, all doubt has been forever removed. Let's face it, the R&R HOF has turned out to be a popularity vote anyway. A lot of people in there has far less credibility than Steve Perry

Posted by vicki on Saturday, 07.26.08 @ 22:29pm


Vicki

You see, it is comments like yours and your fellow Steve Perry fanboys/girls that cause the continuation of some of us to continue to comment. This site is an open forum on opinions of worthiness to this Hall of Shame based on the criteria set forth by the Hall. Those of us who don't believe Steve's solo career deserves such recognition have all explained why. We all admit that he has an excellent voice and we also admit that his work with Journey may very well lead to entry into the Hall. But all of you just whine and offer nothing substantial in your arguement for his solo induction. His solo career was middling at best and I am being kind with that.

True bonafide artists who have been overlooked range from Alice Cooper - Deep Purple - The Stooges - King Crimson - ELP - NY Dolls - New Order.

All these bands are credited with being part of an original genre movement and being highly influential. Steve Perry's solo career seriously compares in comparrison

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 07.26.08 @ 23:18pm


"We all admit that he has an excellent voice"

Speak for yourself, Dameon. lol Sorry, I find his voice irritating. Nonetheless, you're right about the rest of it. People keep talking about incredible vocal talent, but so what? Talent is nowhere near the top of important aspects or criteria. In fact, it's not a criteria at all. It's generally ASSUMED that all inductees are talented, or else they wouldn't have had either the careers or levels of influence they had. But being talented alone just doesn't cut the mustard. And those whose posts read like they're on the verge of creaming their jeans just from thinking about Steve Perry's voice seem to be oblivious to that. There needs to be more than just talent. It's not enough.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.27.08 @ 00:02am


EDIT: It's not a criterion, at all.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.27.08 @ 00:07am


"With some of these posts, all doubt has been forever removed."-vicki

With that being said, we can now make you the poster girl for all of these ridiculous Steve Perry posts. Thanks for clearing that up for us!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 07.27.08 @ 10:21am


It will be a cold day in Hell when Steve Perry is inducted for his solo artistry.

Anyone who thinks otherwise (on this point only) is completely insane.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 07.28.08 @ 11:25am


Steve Perry will never be inducted. Although the rock hall may have some retards in the nominating committee, but not enough to induct Steve Perry. Does "Influence and Innovation" Mean anything to you? If steve perry gets inducted, and KISS, ALice Cooper, Joy Division, Sonic Youth, Steve Miller Band, and all these other worthy bands, are left out, then the hall of fame truly is a joke.

Posted by Calzone on Monday, 07.28.08 @ 15:58pm


Dameon and Gitarzan,
You tell me you do not hate Steve in one breath,and have made more comments against him in the next than most of these people combined. You need to think of why it is so important to you to keep him out. By the way, many artist have claimed Steve has influenced them, Bon Jovi, Nuno Betencourt, and I can look up others. I bet if you ask alot of artists today they would say he has influenced them. And yes, Arnel. What is your beef? You say you like the man and hate his fans. My only problem is why you feel the need to shut everyone down for their oppinion of why he should be inducted.
Maybe it is because he made power ballads a new trend for rock and roll?
Personally I think it is you my friend who has a tin ear if you cannot tell the difference in his songs. My hearing is fine. I really have no problem with you except you are attacking a very influential artist that I happen to have a great deal of respect for.
What about his vocal range?
You go on about the criteria, not everyone in the hall of fame fit the "criteria" sometimes they have just moved people in ways that I could never explain to an analytical person such as yourself. Not everything is cut and dry, somethings are much more than we can explain to someone with your "expert" oppinion. By the way, you are what? On the committee? My guess is not. So your "opinion" means as much as ours. And we have as much of a right to it as you, can you respect that? That is probably why people get agrivated with you. You seem to feel the need to be nasty to anyone who has anything nice to say about the man. Look I don't know you, so I don't know your motives. But let us have our say, without you feeling the need to blast almost every person you can with your "rapier wit".

Posted by artist4perry on Wednesday, 07.30.08 @ 09:17am


You tell me you do not hate Steve in one breath,and have made more comments against him in the next than most of these people combined. You need to think of why it is so important to you to keep him out. By the way, many artist have claimed Steve has influenced them, Bon Jovi, Nuno Betencourt - Artist4perry

No one has anything against him, we just don't think his solo career is worthy of induction. You need to decide which you are fighting for; his solo career or Journey. And I am pretty sure Betencourt and Bon Jovi named Journey and not Steve Perry as an influence. There is a distinction between the two. It is true, artists are fans of other artists, but that doesn't mean they were musically influenced by them. Again, there is a big distinction between the two.

Maybe it is because he made power ballads a new trend for rock and roll? - artist4perry

I suggest you listen to Aerosmith's first album; there is a song called "Dream On" that you might want to listen to. Oh, another song comes to mind - "Stairway to Heaven". And regarding the issue about making power ballads mainstream, I think many people in the music industry give note to the radio friendly song by KISS called Beth. Journey was not at the forefront of this. In fact, during the era which Journey was at it's ultimate popularity, REO Speedwagon were considered the kings of the Power Ballad.

But thank you for at least attempting to present an arguement with more to it than just "Steve Perry is the Voice"

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 07.30.08 @ 09:53am


artist4perry...I certainly don't "hate" Steve Perry, no reason to. Shoot, "The Eyes Of A Woman" is one of my favorite songs...don't know why, just strikes a nerve. Mine and Dameon's opinion (of course, I don't need to speak for him) is that he simply didn't do enough in his solo career to warrant induction. It's true that stranger things have happened, though. If Journey would've been a first year eligible nominee, I would maybe think he'd be in with his solo stuff. The powers-that-be seem to not care for Journey or any other band from that particular era.

Yes, he does have a unique voice, but honestly speaking, there's a lot of "unique voices" out there. If not, music would be pretty boring. I believe Minnie Ripperton had 7 octave range, but she died just as her career was gaining momentum.

At least you're making a little bit of a learned effort to make an argument for him, and I commend you for that. Unfortunately, I don't think the nominating committee will even give him a second thought...which is too bad because he (especially with Journey) and a lot of deserving artists deserve a more comprehensive look.

Remember, it's not (or at least shouldn't be) a popularity contest.

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 07.30.08 @ 18:43pm


Steve Perry deserves to be in rock and roll hall of fame. He was the voice of Journey. He is an awsome singer.

Posted by marge on Friday, 08.1.08 @ 12:20pm


He is the voice - he is the voice - he is the voice - he is the voice!

Well someone has to be the voice.

Schon is the guitar - Schon is the guitar - Schon is the guitar - Schon is the guitar.

if you think Journey should be inducted, then go to Journey's board and say it there.

Steve Perry is never getting inducted as a solo artist. It is not because he is a terrible singer; it is because his solo work doesn't add up to a hill of beans!

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 08.1.08 @ 13:18pm


Well this girl believes that Steve Perry's SOLO music is FANTASTIC, and I listen to HIS music all the time.

There are SO many websites all over the internet with TONS of fans on message boards expressing their LOVE for "his music" and HUGE desire for him to SING again.

And there has been many other artists that Perry has collaborated over the years, just recently read an article that he was writing music with Rob Dickinson.

I don't claim to know whether Perry will be inducted in the R&R HOF or not, but I feel HE should be, HIS music has certainly been a part of my life for a LONG time!!
































Posted by Lori on Saturday, 08.2.08 @ 11:15am


I happen to love the music of Mott The Hoople, Sweet, Tesla and many other bands, but I know they are not getting inducted into the HoF because they don't meet the criteria which the Hall set-up. But you don't see me b*tching and moaning about it and how great and wonderful they are.

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 08.2.08 @ 15:06pm


the question is, is the rock and roll hall of fame worthy of him
how can perfection be more then perfection this guy is amazing not sure about rock and roll hall of fame since he is not already in there
who are the funny people out there who choose they are totaly nuts

Posted by carole on Monday, 08.4.08 @ 08:07am


Who died and made Steve Perry god?

The blind (deaf?) worship of Steve Perry is outright bizarre. I expect this kind of thing from teenagers, but not from graying adults.

Steve Perry's sh*t stinks just like everyone else's.

Posted by Miguel on Monday, 08.4.08 @ 08:25am


As does his music.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 08.4.08 @ 08:41am


Miguel and Liam,

That is your oppinion,but why are you on this thread anyway? Perry did have influence on many artists. Bon Jovi, Nuno Bettencort, and Kenny Loggins all site his influences. Kenny Loggins learned to sing rock from Steve. We would not have had as great rock songs from Kenny without Steve's influences. Steve made the power balad acceptable for main stream Rock bands. He was the main one fighting for Open Arms. Steve's virtuosso as a singer is paled by very few, he is not a "god", but a great performer, that wowed audiences every night. He is one of the most distinctive voices of our times, and so by insulting him, you give no credit to your arguement. That sounds to me like a personal dislike. Not reason.
Oh and the "As does his music" remark. I don't care if you like him or not, won't sway my oppinion, nor the oppinion of those of us who know why we feel he has a good reason to deserve this award. His music helped me through some horrible times, was the last dying peace for a boy dying, and an inspiration to many. Cut me down, as you will. I am giving reasons why he should win, you are giving juvinile cut downs. Give me a good reason, not an insult, as to why you feel the need to be so nasty to others that obviously have the right to voice their respect to the man? The personal insults are getting old guys, time to leave the playground, and show some class.

Posted by artist4perry on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 16:38pm


One more note for those who feel the need to personally attack anyone who says something nice about Steve, have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, they just wanted to express some form of appreciation for their favorite singer? Maybe it would be nice for them to be able to do this without a scathingly rude attack from some that have nothing better to do than hurt others. Let them have their say, obviously we know where YOU stand, you won't let anyone forget it. Keep your superiority complex to yourself.

Posted by artist4perry on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 16:52pm


My, my--a bit touchy in here! Seems people are forgetting that aside from Steve's amazing voice, that he has done much behind the scenes work as far as writing, producing, etc. He's not just "The Voice" and nothing else. Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but seriously, do you need to be so juvenile and hateful? But, I guess that's typical of the younger generation--yes, we can tell who you are by the ignorance you spread. And guess what--someday you, too, will be older and graying and you'll realize that gee, maybe those of us in our 40's weren't so stupid after all.

Posted by LisaM on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 18:50pm


Lisa.........I am 50 and although I appreciate Perry's vocal ability and his performance with Journey, his solo career does not warrant induction into the Hall of Fame. I have no bias against him and if Journey was inducted into the Hall, Steve Perry should then be acknowledged.

Artist4perry...You listed three artists. Kenny Loggins was recording and performing long before Steve Perry managed to sing himself out of the clubs and into Journey. But if Loggins and the other two cite him as being an influence, it still says nothing about his solo career. It has more to do with his partnership with Neal Schon and the rest of Journey.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 19:11pm


Dameon...you're a Steve Perry HATER...doomed to listen to "Indian Love Call" by Slim Whitman for all eternity!!!

Kinda harsh, huh???

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 19:20pm


Gitarzan,
It is exactly your anal behavior that I am offended by. You are condescending and rude. I am not bothered by someone discussing points of debate. I am bothered by the rudeness, and smug, juvinile drivel that seems to exude from your keyboard. Why can't anyone get on here and just say, I like Perry and I want him to get this award and this is why. It seems you have appointed yourselves the jury of every oppinion here, and no one can be left alone. I get it, you don't want him to get it because you do not feel he is worthy. Your not funny. You are rude. Your like the commentary pirahna circling and devouring anyone who says anything nice about the man! All I am saying is keep it to a commentary, stop personally attacking the bloggers! I said nothing about your oppinion of Steve. Your welcome to that. Again, explain why you need to act so immaturely? Show a little class!

Posted by artist4perry on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 19:50pm


Gitarzan,
It is exactly your anal behavior that I am offended by. You are condescending and rude. I am not bothered by someone discussing points of debate. I am bothered by the rudeness, and smug, juvinile drivel that seems to exude from your keyboard. Why can't anyone get on here and just say, I like Perry and I want him to get this award and this is why. It seems you have appointed yourselves the jury of every oppinion here, and no one can be left alone. I get it, you don't want him to get it because you do not feel he is worthy. Your not funny. You are rude. Your like the commentary pirahna circling and devouring anyone who says anything nice about the man! All I am saying is keep it to a commentary, stop personally attacking the bloggers! I said nothing about your oppinion of Steve. Your welcome to that. Again, explain why you need to act so immaturely? Show a little class!

Posted by artist4perry on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 19:50pm


Gitarzan,
It is exactly your anal behavior that I am offended by. You are condescending and rude. I am not bothered by someone discussing points of debate. I am bothered by the rudeness, and smug, juvinile drivel that seems to exude from your keyboard. Why can't anyone get on here and just say, I like Perry and I want him to get this award and this is why. It seems you have appointed yourselves the jury of every oppinion here, and no one can be left alone. I get it, you don't want him to get it because you do not feel he is worthy. Your not funny. You are rude. Your like the commentary pirahna circling and devouring anyone who says anything nice about the man! All I am saying is keep it to a commentary, stop personally attacking the bloggers! I said nothing about your oppinion of Steve. Your welcome to that. Again, explain why you need to act so immaturely? Show a little class!

Posted by artist4perry on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 19:50pm


You're calling ME juvenile??? Have you read your own posts??? People have tried to be reasonable with you, and you won't allow it. You don't substantiate anything you say with fact (Nuno Bettencort is a GUITAR PLAYER!!!), you don't give instances or specifics, all you do is aimlessly ramble!!!

So, I treat it as a joke because that's what it has turned into. I, for one, have never had a qualm with Steve perry...especially with Journey. He is a very good singer...not the BEST I've ever heard, but good. His solo career could've been a whole lot better, given his talent. It also sounds like he had every opportunity to rejoin Journey, but wasn't so forthright in the process (read Neal Schon's rubuttal to a SP GQ interview recently...I think his final statement was "F**K HIM!!!").

If you look at most of my posts, they're either strictly my opinion or fact based. As for my opinion, you don't have to like it. If you're offended, that's your problem. If I say something off-handed that's a barb aimed at people like you...I guess maybe you have a guilty conscience.

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 20:11pm


I think it needs to be defined as to what warrants induction into the Hall of Fame--total contribution to the music industry or other? In which case, totality would include everything in addition to a solo career that Steve has done. So that must count for something--there's lots of worse artists out there that stand just as much of a chance as Steve does for induction. As far as the GQ interview--yup, read it. Neal came across as a bitter whiner because Steve isn't his puppet anymore and feels he doesn't deserve the credit/royalties for his contributions to Journey. But, regardless, it's all water under the bridge and only they know what truly went on behind closed doors. Time to let bygones be bygones and it really isn't anyone's business but Steve's and Neal's. With all this bickering, it's no wonder Steve left the limelight--I don't blame him. I wouldn't want to put up with all this crap, either.

Posted by LisaM on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 20:37pm


LisaM...Unfortunately, the nominating committee will look at it as two seperate entities. This is my opinion, of course, but I think all letters are probably met with what amounts to a "form letter", with only the name being changed. I really don't know and couldn't speculate on if these sorts of websites have any bearing at all on their decisions. I would wager that they read them, though.

As for the Schon/Perry rift...strictly "he said-he said", although Schon's sounded a hair more specific, in my opinion (could be wrong, though).

It appears you've at least given some thought to your comments, which is appreciated. As far as Perry getting inducted...stranger things have happened, but I'm with the concensus that Journey would at least have to get inducted first. Who knows if or when that'll happen.

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 20:51pm


Gitarzan,
I again say I have no problem with someone differing with me on oppinion of his worthiness to be inducted. I have read your posts, you make fun of people you don't know. I was not upset until I read the statements that treat others as if they are stupid. Define people like me. People who don't like bullies? Because that is how you act! Dameon at least is debating in an intelectual way. I am just trying to get you to see you don't need to treat people like they are stupid because you "personally" don't feel they have a good enough arguement. If you would treat others with respect I would not even be talking to you, except for discussing the matter at hand. If you insist on treating people badly I can't stop you. If you knew me you would know I don't truely wish to be unkind to you. I for one do not want to fight. Please just respect others in this thread. I did not mean to be so unkind. I am sorry for taking a harsh approach.

Posted by artist4perry on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 20:56pm


artist4perry...not a problem!! If you read my posts throughout this website, you'll see that I usually get attacked first (see "Donna" from Three Dog Night). At that point, I'm going to put people on the spot...give me good, rational reasons for induction, or substantiate what you say with fact. It's nothing I wouldn't be prepared to do myself. If I'm wrong, I'll openly admit it. If I start treating people flippantly, it's probably because they're acting that way. I certainly don't have anything against you...SP has a one of a kind voice, and I truly wish he'd do more with it. I'm sure you're a good person, and I wish you well.

He is indeed lucky to have fans like you. I wish he'd repay that with taking his talent to another level...that way he'd leave no room for doubt!!!

Don't forget to give views on other artists, too.

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 21:12pm


Artist4perry - I am sure Gitar is not attempting in anyway to be condescending in his posts. This site exists for rational conversation about an artists chances of entering the HoF. As fans we are subjective in our thoughts and opinions and it can get a bit heated at times, but no disrespect should be intended.

Now it is time for me to head into the City and have some fun. Have a great weekend all.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 22:02pm


Gitarzan, if i were you i wouldnt waste my time, debating things with such impossible people. People need to learn not to take these things so damn personal, unless of course its about bon jovi then it gets personal haha just kidding!

Posted by jessie on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 23:00pm


Well, Que Sera Sera--we can all give our opinion, but the ultimate decision isn't really up to us. As in politics, I think it's all pre-decided anyway. I'll stand by Steve in support, and there is speculation out there that he is currently working on a comeback album--would be nice to hear from him again. As far as the Journey rift--it's my feeling that Steve is the better man in the whole deal. He never once dissed his former bandmates and has been gracious all along. Neal has continually spoken ill of Steve and then in the next breath, tries to find sound-alike clones to replace him, then the ultimate slap in the face: rerecord the classic Journey songs. Sounds like he's trying to erase Steve completely, and that to me is akin to the members of Queen going out, finding a Freddie Mercury clone, then rerecording Bohemian Rhapsody. Some songs are just untouchable and shold be left alone. Just my perspective on the whole thing, but it would be cool if Journey as a whole would be inducted and all members, past and present could share in it.

Posted by LisaM on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 11:22am


LisaM...Concerning the Journey rift, you bring up some good points...I do have to say one thing though, the new guy really isn't too bad.

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 11:42am


He is great but I would take Dion a lot of true real rockers when rock was real... He is not even on the list.. He should of been in the Hall years ago

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 11:49am


Truth is, the rock & roll hall of fame is a joke and Steve & the guys are too talented to be included...nuf said.

Posted by ME on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 12:23pm


So "ME" they and steve are to good huh So is Jounrey Steves band?? LOL.
They are great and should be in the Hall...
But there not that good.. I mean are they better than the Stones , Little Richard,Muddy Waters ,Fats, Billie Holiday. etc. Give me a break..

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 12:33pm


So "ME" they and steve are to good huh So is Jounrey Steves band?? LOL.
They are great and should be in the Hall...
But there not that good.. I mean are they better than the Stones , Little Richard,Muddy Waters ,Fats, Billie Holiday. etc. Give me a break..

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 12:33pm
____________________

It's all a matter of opinion.


Gitarzan--I agree the new guy is talented, and I hope that Journey can progress forward, but Steve did leave some big shoes to fill. I do think it was a mistake rerecording the classics though. I think, too, it's almost amusing that this many years later, the bickering is still going on--band members and fans alike. It should be a moot point by now--people change, artists reinvent themselves--you have to in order to keep it new and survive. Sure, it was a great run with the Journey-Steve years, and we should remember it and appreciate it, but also move forward--getting stuck at one point in life serves no useful purpose. As much as Neal came across as a first class babboon, I do wish him well and I hope that he can move Journey onto new things. With Steve, well, I'm sure he's got it all planned out.

Posted by LisaM on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 15:28pm


LisaM
It is a maater of opinion on what "good" and he is great.. Jounery is or was not in Steves band that is not an opinion he/Steve was in Jounrey ..

Posted by Mrxyz on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 15:36pm


Mrxyz

I'm aware that Steve was in Journey and not the other way around, and so were other talented musicians, like Gregg Rolie. Steve's presence did catapult them pretty high up and that's what the diehard fans remember. I think if someone is to be inducted into the HOF, then all aspects of their career shold be considered--solo work, in-with-a-band work, as well as behind the scenes work that has been done. I also think that aside from just Steve, Journey as a whole should be considered for the HOF, despite the fact that their paths did cross.

Posted by LisaM on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 18:01pm


lisaM
Steve is a great singer...As I noted before. I think there are my other singers that should be placed in the before Stevein the HOF..
Shuch as Billie Holiday, Dion De Mucci, Ricky Nelson, .. Yes Jounery as a group should be considered . As a single act Steve should wait in line there are so many wonderful single acts that need this. I do hope Steve has a come back CD.. God only knows he has the talent.. It is a shame not that many understand he is a true star and he really didn't need Journey to be one .
To bad that he had to get hooked up with them. I hope it didn't ruin his career.I guess to come back one has to of gone somewhere.. To me he has always been just good old Steve..

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 20:24pm


It is a shame not that many understand he is a true star and he really didn't need Journey to be one .
To bad that he had to get hooked up with them. I hope it didn't ruin his career.I guess to come back one has to of gone somewhere.. To me he has always been just good old Steve..mrxyz

Here is where I start taking exception to some of these comments. I cannot believe you said that Steve Perry didn't need Journey. The fact is that Journey already had a record contract before anyone knew who Perry was. And Schon was considered a prodigy when he plaed in Santana. No one knew who Perry was outside the local scene. Sometimes, artists coming together is meant to be. Perry and Journey being one of them. The fact is that the chances seem slim that we would have known that Perry even existed if it wasn't for Journey. Steve Perry was a decent lyricist (balladeer) and was able to merge this with Journey's melodies. Look into the songwriting history of the music. Perry did not write the melodies. And all we have to do is look at his solo career to see that he basically had one or two hits after he went solo and then it fizzled. Those songs being hits had more to do with name recognition than anything else. As far as what he did behind the scenes, (engineering and producing). He would not have had that chance if it wasn't for the fact that he was once the lead singer of a very successful and popular band which was Journey.

So please, let's get this right. Journey deserves serious consideration for entry into the HoF.

Steve Perry's solo career does not entitle him to anything. It was middling at best and showed no movemet away from the music he did with Journey. In fact, Oh Sherrie sounds like a Journey recording, therefore he kept the same exact formula. He is not worthy as a solo artist!

FYI - Dion and Ricky Nelson are already in the HoF - what are you talking about?



Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 08.10.08 @ 07:30am


Dameon
I was kidding .. About Steve Perry,,
As far as Ricky and Dion I did nt see their names on he list..!! I am glad..

Posted by mrxyz on Sunday, 08.10.08 @ 08:36am


Dameon--

I believe that everything happens for a reason. It may not be apparent right away or not for years, but Steve and Journey were obviously in the right place at the right time--they needed each other and it worked. From things I've read, Steve left that lifestyle because it was mentally and physically sucking the life out of him, and for years, he didn't really want a solo career, but to live a normal life. I think that's actually more important and praiseworthy to have recognized the need for that instead of ending up another statistic. I'm sure Steve's been plenty busy with behind the scenes stuff that we have no idea about, hence, still contributing to the music industry. But, that's his business and aside from the HOF, I hope his endeavors have brought him the peace and life he's wanted. That is more important than awards and recognition.

Posted by LisaM on Sunday, 08.10.08 @ 14:01pm


Lisa - everything you say may very well be correct. I don't wish the man ill at all. Most bands do break up because a rift is created after a certain amount of years. That is only natural. All I ever comment on is whether he deserves this accolade. And we know my feelings on that.

As for you - I wish you nothing but the best my dear.

Ciao Bella

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 08.10.08 @ 15:28pm


Dameon--

Thanks, and "Ciao" back at 'ya! *tips hat, bows out gracefully back to the NIN blog*

Posted by LisaM on Sunday, 08.10.08 @ 17:23pm


Now you are talking

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 08.10.08 @ 21:48pm


Vote NO for Steve Perry! He doesn't deserve to be in the hall of fame. To us, Perry just died!

Posted by perryjustdied on Monday, 08.11.08 @ 00:58am


Regardless of whatever the results are for Steve Perry getting inducted in the R&R HOF, or whatever he chooses to do with is life, I wish HIM peace,love,happiness,and good health!!











Posted by Lori on Monday, 08.11.08 @ 16:11pm


Lori...on that we can most assuredly agree!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 08.11.08 @ 18:10pm


Steve has great vibrato but I don't get the admiration for his voice. IMO, it is a little weak specially on the higher notes.

Posted by mike on Tuesday, 08.12.08 @ 22:48pm


Steve Perry deserves more respect.
This people try put him down..

Steve Perry gave his heart,talent,creativity, personal life. a Great legacy in music.
Steve Perry was dubbed "The Voice" by the music industry, which recognized, acknowledged and cemented his position of greatness in Music History.

Steve's fans will never stop believin in him. He is a legand and should be in the Rock'n Roll Hall of Fame for his vocals. With everything he had he put into this band and made them what they are today ,
Steve I hope that you are enjoying your life.

Hats off to Perry!

Posted by Perrylive4ever on Friday, 08.15.08 @ 11:29am


Well, we all hope Perry lives forever, just as long as his solo career is not inducted into the Hall. Journey can go in; but not his solo career.

He is a legand and should be in the Rock'n Roll Hall of Fame for his vocals. (perrylive4ever)

You cannot say someone should get into the Hall because they have a great voice alone. If they were to do that then they would have to induct the greatest musicians of all time as solo artists as well. Carl Palmer recorded music outside of ELP, but I don't think those projects should be inducted into the Hall just because he is the greatest drummer.

No comments mrxyz ;-) I am just trying to point out the logic or illogic of this point.

You see, it is all a matter of logic and reason.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 08.15.08 @ 12:41pm


No comments mrxyz ;-) I am just trying to point out the logic or illogic of this point.

You see, it is all a matter of logic and reason.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 08.15.08 @ 12:41pm

no I won't let logic get in the wave of your opinion
Heck hate to say it but Perry would not be my choice as a solo act..but that's an opinion.. not a fact..I don't just count hits if I did I would like Madonna lol But she should be in the Hall to many like her..lol I just don't see her even close to Billie Holiday or even Joplin..Heck I like Marie Osmand better than Madonna lol

If you like Palmer you may want to check "Sanndy Nelson" out on "YouTube" that was one of his major Idols.

Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 08.15.08 @ 12:56pm


I will check it out - thnx!

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 08.15.08 @ 13:05pm


okey let me tall you all somthing if you voted no then you are leting down a lot of people that beilive in steve perry and look up to hem and find cunfert in his music why would you do that steve's fans just wont to see him on the wall is that so hard or do you people have to crush that will i am a young woman and steve's music means so mush to me so let me tall you a little story and you will see why so mean people look up to hem.
okey i was like 7 and the year was 2001 or somthing like that well my dad got me and hem tickets to see journey live well i loved journey by this point and i was so happy well the hole ride up i was litening to my journey music and i was so happy cuz i thought i was acsholy gonna see steve perry live well all night i was whating pashintly will when it was journey thay were running on to stage and geas what it was steve aguiry and wow i was so desaponted i mean i just brok in to tiers right there so we lift and right then i vowed always to love and suport steve any way i can i try i mean i have so much stuff of journey and steve's and i hope some day to meet hem and i know i will cuz i am duteramend to do that but you see you are crushing dreams for a lot of steves young fans old fans and even hem so befor you vote No plz think it over plz for the futsher rockers i mean he is a good man and a very good musishen plz vote yes plz.
love
Darrah

Posted by Darrah Leach on Friday, 08.15.08 @ 23:23pm




okey let me tall you all somthing if you voted no then you are leting down a lot of people that beilive in steve perry and look up to hem and find cunfert inbefor you vote No plz think it over plz for the futsher rockers i mean he is a good man and a very good musishen plz vote yes plz.
love
Darrah

Posted by Darrah Leach on Friday, 08.15.08 @ 23:23pm

My Dearest Darrah
What about the people that think he should not be in would not we be letting them down by voting yes?

Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 08.15.08 @ 23:34pm


Without a doubt Steve Perry created and consistently performed some of the most memorable pop-rock and ballad sounds of the late '70's to early '80's. Often bucking the trends at the time his music is the one that endures, establishing a body of work that has stood the test of time in a way few artists can claim. His voice and lyrical style remains uniquely,signature Steve Perry. His fans remain legion. It is fitting that he finally be honored!

Posted by mtk on Saturday, 08.16.08 @ 16:27pm


mtk...The only thing I can see that's accurate in your post is what you said about his unique voice and his legion of fans. His solo work just never amounted to much or really stood any test of time. Also, a lot of artists were having success singing ballads during the mid-80's, so he wasn't really bucking any trends and he never really escaped the shadow of Journey.

There's a chance he might get in with Journey...his solo career's a different story.

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 08.16.08 @ 16:45pm


Well Gitarzan,I believe it is the other way around, Journey is the one who has not escaped the shadow of Steve Perry.

When Perry produced his solo cd "Street Talk" and got his FTLOSM band together, HE wasn't out there searching for musicians that "SOUNDED like Journey band members".... He didn't have to resort to doing that, He just hired musicans that had their OWN style and great musicanship skills to play his solo music.



Posted by Lori on Monday, 08.18.08 @ 19:46pm


You are way wrong Lori. Journey is a band. A band is a sum of all its parts. They found a singer who could fit into what they were doing. And obviously, since Perry's voice was instrumental in their sound, it would have been pretty silly to find a replacement who would not be able to handle the music they recorded with Perry. After-all, they still are a touring band.

Perry hired musicians that played what he wanted which is why his solo stuff sounds like a poor man's Journey. Please stop with Perry's solo career. It is not measureable in any form. As of now, he is a has-been.

Probably for all concerned, Perry and Schon should get together, talk, give each other a big wet kiss and make-up; then reunite and see where the future brings them.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 08.18.08 @ 20:00pm


"Probably for all concerned, Perry and Schon should get together, talk, give each other a big wet kiss and make-up; then reunite and see where the future brings them."-Dameon

Isn't it funny how that would probably solve everything? Arnel Pineda seems to have Perry's vocal range pegged about on the button (anyone who doesn't think so is either daft or totally deaf), so the other members of Journey at this point are probably thinking "Why bother?". When they performed at Fiddler's Green in Denver a few weeks ago, some people I know who went said he was "phenomenal".

Yep, "Street Talk" had those musicians with their own unique styles, like Randy Jackson who also had a stint in...Journey! Interesting...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 08.18.08 @ 20:11pm


I find it strange that Steve Perry is such a hot topic that people who don't even like him would take time out of their day to post reasons why he shouldn't be inducted into the R&RHoF. And if that isn't enough, they keep arguing with those who do like him. If you don't like him, go find someone you do like, and talk about why they SHOULD be in. There are plenty of people who shouldn't be in the HoF...and a lot of others who should. If the new criteria for getting in the R&RHoF involved being the most talked about musician of all time, he'd be a 'shoe-in'.

Posted by Tango on Friday, 08.22.08 @ 21:24pm


Tango...it would be kind of boring if everyone agreed, now wouldn't it. It does seem like those who disagree...the ones that think an artists career and contributions should be more meaningful...have better arguments than the people who don't seem to give it much thought.

Those same people usually give equally as good of arguments for those they feel SHOULD be in. Maybe thats why the HOF makes such bad decisions, because no one tells them they're bad!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 08.22.08 @ 22:53pm


don't stop believin

Posted by Randy on Saturday, 08.23.08 @ 21:32pm


Gitarzan....I suppose I was being a bit vague in what I was trying to say. I guess I am in awe at why SO MANY people are fixated on SP. So much so, that even the ones who don't particularly care for him, still continue to post comments on why he shouldn't be in the HoF. For example, Paul Rodgers has been on the music scene for longer than Steve Perry and has had many more side projects(as lead vocalist) than Steve Perry, yet he has one comment under his name. That's strange to me. I mean, have you seen the Youtube comments? Good grief! I have never seen so many people 'hating' on one person (not that you are). I happen to be one of those who adore Steve Perry, but no I do not think that he will be inducted into the R&RHoF on the merits of his two solo albums. I don't believe that he thinks that either.

All this being said, I guess that I am guilty as charged. Here I am commenting on Steve Perry...and not Paul Rodgers.

Posted by Tango on Tuesday, 08.26.08 @ 11:44am


This is not going to happen! Journey will get inducted though!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 08.27.08 @ 06:49am


Tango - I don't think it has to do with anyone hating on Steve Perry. I think it has to do more with some of the fanatical support his solo career has received here. If you read the posts from those who are against his induction, you will see most of them giving a very clear answer as to why Steve's solo career does not meet the criteria set forth by the RnR Hall of Fame. And not one of his backers even tries to explain how he does meet the criteria. All they repeat is that he is the voice.

You bring up a great point about Paul Rodgers who in my opinion is a far better singer/performer than Perry can ever be. And as much as I enjoyed Free, Bad Company and some of his other projects, I would never try and argue for his induction because his impact on the scene was not that earth shattering.

And therein lies the difference. Not everyone is a fanboy, some of us just enjoy and appreciate the music.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 08.29.08 @ 08:19am


Dameon- We're in agreement that Steve Perry(as a solo artist) does not meet the criteria to be inducted into the R&RHoF. And I say this, as one of those fanatical supporters of Steve Perry, though I don't believe that most of his fans on this page will think so, since I may be disagreeing with them. But I did it all...grew up in the 80's, got a "Steve Perry" haircut, wore "Journey" garb everyday to highschool, went to their concerts, flew to SanFrancisco(twice) to try and catch a glimpse of them, met Lora, Cyndi and Corby(a true Journey fan will know who they are), etc...... I say all of this for emphasis to the true SP fans who get upset when people say negative things about their "idol". I get upset too, but in reality, he doesn't meet HoF's requirements(as a solo artist). It would lend much more credibility to Steve Perry as a musician if fans would just state their opinion on thier favorite frontman, and then let it be...
As I said earlier, I don't even think that SP thinks he will be in the HoF as a solo artist.

We're not in agreement on Paul Rodgers being a better singer/performer than SP, although I really like him too. I have seen them both in concert, but as I said, I am a SP fanatic. So what would one expect?

btw....I'm a fan"girl".

Posted by Tango on Friday, 08.29.08 @ 11:24am


Tango...you're the most level-headed and rational "fangirl" I've seen on here to date!

Good Job!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 08.29.08 @ 12:15pm


I vote that Steve Perry be inducted into the RORHOF. Journey was a decent band, until Steve came along; not until then, did the band soar. When Steve was no longer part of the band, the band flopped. It is just now STARTING to come back, and only because they found someone who sounds similar.
As far as the debates going on, I won't join that; however, I will give my opinion on the debates, ONCE. Apparently, the guys who keep trashing Steve and his fans are very unhappy people, and as such, find the need to make others unhappy. These are the type of people who can never be happy for someone; they were the bullies at your high school, or the ones who were bullied because they couldn't stand up for themselves, and now feel the need to make others feel as worthless as they are. My point here is, just give your opinion, good or bad, once and then let the people who actually do the judging for the RORHOF do their job. Poles like this are used to gain insight into the majority's minds. Don't play he said/she said with the ignorant people who only want to make you feel bad for your opinion because just like a school bully, to show them how much this bugs you only fuels their fire.
GREAT JOB, STEVE PERRY...YOUR FANS ARE BEHIND YOU

Posted by Chris on Thursday, 09.18.08 @ 09:52am


Bullies? You can't blaim everything on highschool! Grow up, please. A mature person should know the difference between a discussion and a molestation.

Look, this isn't a fansite, it is a place for debating. Remember that part from highschool? Now, for a debate, you need to have arguments. To convince someone, it would help if they are as objective as possible. "I think Steve Perry should be inducted because I like him" may be true for you, but it is not an objective argument. Good for you, congratulations, but this is not the place for that. "I think Steve Perry should be inducted because he is popular" could have been an argument, if that was one of the criteria for induction. It's not.

Btw, Steve Perry's impact on Journey's career isn't an argument either. An induction of Steve Perry is a celebration of his solowork, not his work with that band. What was innovative or influential about his work? Did it have a major impact on the history of rock n roll? These are the questions you should ask yourself.

Questions that are irrelevant for this discussions are: What did he do for Journey? Is his voice the greatest in the world? How many fans does he have? How much impact did his music have on my personal life? Interesting for a fansite, but not for the Hall of Fame.

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 09.18.08 @ 11:13am


Chris, I respect your opinion, but just want to make it clear that in this thread, we're talking about Steve Perry as a solo artist ONLY. His contributions to Journey are not germane to his merits as a solo artist. Inducting "Journey" is different than inducting "Steve Perry." But thanks for stopping by.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 09.18.08 @ 17:10pm


Steve has an incredible gift in the voice he was so blessed with. We are blessed to be able to listen to it and for a few moments find ourselves lost in the music. Few artists have this gift. It's a gift that should be recognized, and will be such a sad loss if it never is. Anyone who listens to songs such as send her my love, know what I mean. Good luck Steve, you deserve to be recognized for your talent and your incredible gift of music.

Posted by Brenda on Saturday, 09.20.08 @ 23:10pm


yes yes yes & yes..and we all are waiting
PATIENTLY!!!!

He has an absolutely awesome "voice"-without him Journey would not have came so far...

GOOD LUCK STEVE!! WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM U AGAIN

Posted by pam carter on Thursday, 10.2.08 @ 17:43pm


Steve Perry-Inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame - Without Question!!!
His singing, writing, co-writing,and collaborative efforts with so many artists-have influenced generations & changed music history!
Not to mention, his captivating voice is a gift from heaven & forever changes it's listener with each song!
This prolific fenom should be given this award without prejudice but on the great bodies of work this man has produced!
A shear & utter gifted talent that still can rock us!!!

Posted by Nicole/Gallagrl on Saturday, 10.11.08 @ 08:43am


Fans, or those interested in just what separates Perry (vocally) from the other rock counter-tenors, and what makes him - in my opinion - the greatest living rock tenor/ countertenor, may be interested in the article I wrote entitled 'One in a Million' which I uploaded for free distribution and download (however reprinting or 'cutting and pasting' is unacceptable and infringement of copyright). It's referenced and linked on a number of sites, including Perry's wikipedia page (under Recent News), where you will find the megaupload link.

Ross Muir
Prestwick
Scotland

Posted by Ross Muir on Monday, 10.27.08 @ 07:15am


Steve Perry is one of an elite few whose voice can touch you personally. The power & raw emotion conveyed brings back timeless memories and has the power to bring laughter or tears. I would cross over to the other side of the world to hear this living legend sing.

Marion McElhinney
Ottawa
Canada

Posted by Marion Butlin on Monday, 10.27.08 @ 20:08pm


steve se merece eso y mucho mas ,el psee una voz marabillosa nunca un cantante me impresiono tanto como el ,ademas de su voz es un hombre muy atractivo el encuentro total y con el respeto que se merecen los demas integrantes de journey ,gracias a la impresionante voz de steve ellos lograron tanto .
GRANDE STEVE PERRY

Posted by angelikita on Tuesday, 10.28.08 @ 13:37pm


Steve es uno de los mas grandes cantantes, tiene una voz preciosa un timbre unico, y la letra de sus canciones son hermosas!, quienes lo critican no saben de que estan hablando..

Steve Perry es una inspiracion para muchos, incluso, para los mas jovenes, ya que a mi me gusto la musica de Journey gracias a Steve!, porque con su impresionante voz el fue capaz de atraer a muchos fans!

y demas esta decir que es uno de los hombres mas sexys y fotogenicos que se ha visto!

Todas las canciones de sus albumes representan historias hermosas, que solo a el con su increible creatividad se le pudieron haber ocurrido
y aunque tenga 59 años, sigue tan lindo como siempre ^^

I love you Steve!!!
sing again!!!

Posted by KaReNcItA from CHILE on Friday, 10.31.08 @ 00:06am


soy chilena ,y quiero decir que steve perry se merece todos los premios posibles ,su voz es increible y creo que los integrantes de journey deben estar consientes que gracias a esa increible voz lograron su historia ,arnel canta bien pero nunca va a lograr el registro de voz de steve eso es algo que los seguidores de journey deben reconocer .yo y muchas personas seguimos este grupo gracias a steve y no me importa si a alguien le molesta esto pero el merece todos los reconocimientos,es una gran oz y le ruego a Dios que nos vuelva a deleitar con su voz porque siempre lo estaremos esperando ,el tiene seguidores en todo el mundo que siempre seremos fieles a su trabajo y ademas es muy lindo fisicamente ,tiene una sonrisa y unos ojos preciosos ,todo acompañado de su gran voz
GRANDE STEVE PERRY MUCHAS PERSONAS TE AMAMOS

Posted by mary on Sunday, 11.2.08 @ 22:42pm


hes the best singer in ever.. id say only jesus christ could top him.. n all u h8in honkeys, y u even talkin, go listen to some barney n friends music... i jus wish he'd come bac 2 journey n sing again.. dont get me wrong his solo songs were amazing too

Posted by mike on Friday, 11.7.08 @ 18:00pm


mike...I think you should go through the postings on the Steve Perry page and actually count the number of times someone said they "hated" him. When you say stuff like that, and make a comment that largely has no substance or say something totally off-the-wall (in a bad way), you automatically throw up a red flag to the people who frequent this site that you can't be taken seriously.

Now, come back and try to make a comment with some rationale on why Steve Perry should be inducted. The naysayers (most of which have had valid points) have you far outnumbered...



Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 11.7.08 @ 19:09pm


Oooooooh YES.

If Steve Perry doesn't get in, there's something very wrong with the world.

He's incredibly talented all around, and has definitely earned it. Wow.

Posted by Misty on Saturday, 11.15.08 @ 13:19pm


In the latest RS list, they have Steve Perry mentioned at number 76...not a good ranking for someone who is constantly referred to as "the voice" on this site!!!

There will be HELL to pay...LOL!!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 11.15.08 @ 16:26pm


Never as a solo artist should he even be considered. The only way he gets into the Hall is with the rest of Journey.

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Monday, 11.17.08 @ 09:44am


Steve needs to be there he is very good at singing and music he made three solo reacards and he is working on another one and it should be out the end of this year or the beging of next year he dosarves this i mean he MADE journey what it is he doserves it really.

Posted by Darrah on Thursday, 11.27.08 @ 20:17pm


Absolutely!!!!!! Steve Perry should be inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame, His Voice is pure magic, One note and you know who the voice belongs to, he sings with such heart, passion,and soul, that you get lost in the song, I have been a fan since the 70s. Steve Perry made Journey a household name. He should be inducted as a solo and member of Journey

Posted by Roberta on Saturday, 11.29.08 @ 20:28pm


Dear Steve Perry fans...

We acknowledge your passion for Steve Perry, even if some of us don't understand it. However, please understand that when you say things like "His voice is pure magic", "get lost in the song," "He is THE VOICE!", etc. you come off as someone whose chief reason for supporting his induction is because of sexual attraction towards the man, and that you want to have his baby. This does not come off as an intelligent argument, it completely ignores the fact that talent isn't even a criterion for consideration for nomination/induction since it's pretty much given that any name that reasonably could come up IS talented (No Madonna remarks, Gitarzan, lol), and it doesn't make you look all that smart either. There have been some well-thought out points made on this thread. Please seek these out. "Magic voice" means absolutely poop-a-doodle when it comes to nominations.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Philip, hopefully speaking for most of the regulars on this site.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 11.29.08 @ 20:41pm


Thanks Philip - well said. And I am not even going to ask about "poop-a-doodle"

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Tuesday, 12.2.08 @ 14:23pm


sexual attraction has nothing to do with his talent his voice and genius. He is who the all want to be, no one till this day can compare to his grand talent. his body and the rest is not all he is he has touch people in ways not of the other so call nominees have achieve to now, look at madona where is her talent if not in her body that girl cant sing never could so tell me what she does
as for steve he is all and more

Posted by perrylove on Wednesday, 12.3.08 @ 21:00pm


perrylove, I'm sorry, but I cannot make out what you're trying to say... please fix your statement. I'm not a total grammarian, but this is just ridiculous. I didn't mean his body, necessarily... I mean sexually attracted because of his voice. As far as who can sing better than him? I could name off quite a list. I do give him credit for being talented and even somewhat versatile with the styles of songs he could handle, but as I said, "magic voice" means poop-a-doodle when it comes to getting nominated.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12.3.08 @ 21:48pm


Beyond the teenage tingle in my heart I feel when I see Steve (pitter-patter)! I think I speak for thousands if not hundreds of thousands when I say he is ONE IN A MILLION! And he Deserves this alot more then some of the past inductees.

Plus then if you do we might beable to see him! (tee-hee)


Love you Steve!

Posted by Kelly on Monday, 12.8.08 @ 08:02am


Oh God! I almost had an accident after reading this. Please people, get this through your thick heads. Steve Perry will never, ever, ever be inducted for his solo career. He does not deserve it with his solo career. His only chance is with Journey. Please save your rants for the Journey Board; at least I may be able to tolerate it there since I think Journey has some credentials for induction.

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Monday, 12.8.08 @ 08:17am


Absolutely Perry would never be considered for his solo efforts.

Even Journey as a band may have trouble. Very popular (just look at the sales of its Greatest Hits), but the band didn't really do anything special (just like Foreigner and Bon Jovi). But, we'll see if the HOF at some point considers these bands.

Posted by JR on Monday, 12.8.08 @ 10:10am


I have yet to a very good reason why Steve Perry should not be in the rock and roll hall of fame.The man has so much talent, and has made a lot of people very happy with his breath taking voice sorry not everyone agrees. But tere are a lot of us that do.He worked very hard at his music, sorry some people don"t agree,I will always a fan the man is great.

Posted by Denise Tessier on Tuesday, 12.9.08 @ 10:26am


No one's disputing your right to be a fan of his. :)

I love Olivia Newton-John, but is she ever going to be in the Hall of Fame? No. She's a light artist, but has a beautiful, relaxing voice. I love most of her songs, but I don't think she warrants a spot in the HOF. She'll always have Grease, though, so her spot in pop culture always is going to be there.

Steve Perry just doesn't seem special enough- if anything, Journey as a band would get in, but even with Journey, it's not like the HOF committee is in any rish to even consider the band (see the Journey section for comments).

Posted by JR on Tuesday, 12.9.08 @ 10:32am


Denise.........All the reasons why Steve Perry should not be inducted for his solo career have been clearly outlined here. And those who think that his solo career is worthy of induction have yet to give one shred of evidence as to why he should. Your adoration of his voice and whatever else you like about him is not reason enough for his induction. There are supposedly specific requirements that must be met and he does not meet any.

His career with Journey may get him in, but that conversation should be held on the Journey board.

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Tuesday, 12.9.08 @ 13:12pm


I love Steve Perry. And by "love" I don't mean "in love with" which is what most of the fangirls on this page seem to be. I'm all for Journey getting in, but this page isn't about that. This is about his solo work (ya know, all two albums of it). And that stuff is basically Journey without Neal's fancy guitar work. Sorry ladies, but just because you want to have sex with someone doesn't mean they should be in the HoF. There are plenty of pop starlets I wuld sleep with (if there were some sort of 100% flawless condoms out there, don't know where these sluts have been), but they sure as hell don't belong in the HoF.

Posted by Randy on Wednesday, 12.10.08 @ 00:35am


I'm all for Journey getting in, but this page isn't about that. This is about his solo work (ya know, all two albums of it). And that stuff is basically Journey without Neal's fancy guitar work. Sorry ladies, but just because you want to have sex with someone doesn't mean they should be in the HoF.

Posted by Randy on Wednesday, 12.10.08 @ 00:35am
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That's the kicker though, Randy. You see, every man that a woman chooses to have sex with ends up in that woman's private Hall of Fame, inasmuch as she felt he was worthy enough to be with.

ergo...

Any guy who groups of women desire in such a manner, but who is essentially unattainable in this regards is re-classified to the best of their abilities. In this case, Perry is re-classified as a Rock Hall-of-Famer, even if he as a solo act is nowhere near that.

Now Journey is a different story....

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 12.10.08 @ 15:55pm


Cheese & Blah (Geez, sounds like a law firm)...That's MR. STEVE PERRY to you....

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 12.10.08 @ 17:58pm


I wanna have his kids!! The best singer everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Posted by XXXxxxxXX on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 18:29pm


So go and have your way with him and make your baby. Just stay the hell off this site.

Posted by Whocares aboutPerry on Tuesday, 12.16.08 @ 12:35pm


if ANYONE should be inducted...it should be the "VOICE" of our LIFETIME! I could rant on for hours, but I will simply say he IS the voice of Journey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Lisa on Saturday, 12.20.08 @ 18:26pm


And another comes on, and another comes on, another one doesn't get the hint!

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.20.08 @ 18:32pm


Best voice in the history of rock'n'roll!! hell yeah!

Posted by AirSuppleee on Saturday, 12.20.08 @ 18:41pm


HE MUST BE INDUCTED! THE BEST VOICE EVER!!

Posted by RockROckRoCkRocK on Monday, 12.22.08 @ 21:51pm


No really, he shouldn't and I will not bother posting why since you can read all the logical answers in the previous comments. Steve Perry's solo career gets him an induction into the CD bargain bin and that is all. If Perry see the Hall, it is with Journey and no other way.

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Tuesday, 12.23.08 @ 05:53am


He totally deserves it with Journey and solo!

Posted by CrazyTrain on Tuesday, 12.23.08 @ 08:06am


And you totally deserve to be committed to an asylum. Why don't you stop posting under so many different names?

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Tuesday, 12.23.08 @ 09:01am


Simply stated, Steve Perry should be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame as a solo artist.I have every Steve Perry/Journey Album,C.D., and Song that is avaliable to download into my ipod.His singing ,songwriting ,
and charism are outstanding.The emotions about love and loss are very sincere and heartfelt when Steve sang about them with Journey and as a Solo artist.I have loved Steve Perry's voice with and without Journey.He was the ultimate Rock God to many women who grew up in the very late 70's and early eighties.Steve Perry was also a sexy, sweet looking babe whose achingly tender voice just put many fans into Nirvana.Rock on Steve and Journey .

Posted by Sherie on Friday, 12.26.08 @ 11:52am


Sorry Sherie - but he is never getting in for his crappy solo career. Journey is another story.

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Friday, 12.26.08 @ 12:15pm


Simply speaking...NO!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 12.26.08 @ 19:58pm


Of course Steve Perry should be inducted into the R&RHoF! I mean he's the "Voice" for heaven's sake. My heart skips a beat everytime I hear him sing. I get completely lost in his songs. Pure magic, it is! If it weren't for him, Journey wouldn't exist. He is the only reason that I ever listened to Journey in the first place. There is no better singer than him in my opinion. Who even knew Journey before Steve Perry entered the band? Plus, he is the most handsome man in the world. God, what I wouldn't give to have his baby! Actually, that is what makes me love his music even more...his striking looks, just like ALL of the rest of the ladies in the world. I only wish I were a member of the superior gender so I could learn to appreciate his musicianship even more. Oh well! Steve Perry should absolutely be inducted into the R&RHoF for all of these reasons.

Posted by Oh Sherrie on Tuesday, 12.30.08 @ 21:54pm


Superior Gender - what exactly is that? Oh Sherrie - I think you need to go change your undergarments now.

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Wednesday, 12.31.08 @ 04:50am


That's what you came back with, Blah-blah-blah? You should have just written your name in the comments section and left it at that.

Posted by Oh Sherrie on Wednesday, 12.31.08 @ 05:51am


Oh Sherrie - I meant no disrespect to you. But your schoolgirl crush on Perry only decreases his support amongst those who take musuc seriously. Most of us here have admitted that Journey should be seriously considered for the HoF and this includes Perry. His solo work is not worth anything as far as the Hall is concerned. But when you all come here panting over the boy, then it just turns him into some middle-aged teen idol and not the powerful vocalist that he is. Your idol worship takes away from him - when are you all going to understand that?

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Wednesday, 12.31.08 @ 05:56am


Blah-blah-blah,

You took me seriously? Yes, I do think that SP is the bomb. Yes, I think he's hot, but no, I do not want to have his damn baby or have sex with him, as an earlier poster stated in regards to his 'lady' fans. ALL of them, I might add. This statement, certainly trivializing any 'idol worship' a woman may have on the man. Surely, EVERY SINGLE member of the R&RHoF has some of those idol worshippers out there, and most likely those idol worshippers helped them get in there. And too, I understand that your 'idol worship' comment was meant to suggest that I have superficial reasons for wanting Perry to be inducted into the Hall of Fame, and quite frankly you would be right. But I also have valid reasons, many of which have been given here by some of his other fans. And since we're all in agreement that the criteria set forth by the R&RHoF went out the window years ago....what does it matter? He may not be perfectly eligible by their guidelines, but let's make a list of all of the others who are also not. I'll supply you with a new pen when yours runs out of ink. So why not let the girls(and boys) throw out a few of their own personal accolades for the man, without fear of the Steve Perry Comment Persecuting Committee jumping down their throat everytime they do so. Hell, he could be the 'poster boy' for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame if we compared him to some of the ones who have already been inducted.

This is my first time posting on this site, so I decided to read several of the latest posts. All being fresh in my mind, I chose to play the role of the ultimate Steve Perry fan-girl by using yours(and others) script. Notice that everything I said fed into some ditzy blonde routine. The stuff that you find really irritating by us fan-girls. Even my name is stupid! It was obviously a failed attempt at sarcasm.

Posted by Oh Sherrie on Wednesday, 12.31.08 @ 17:09pm


"but no, I do not want to have his damn baby or have sex with him, as an earlier poster stated in regards to his 'lady' fans."

Hey, I'm finally getting recognition! Even if anonymously. lol.

OS, now that I know you were sarcastic with it, it's hilarious, but when you consider how many have said that stuff, with absolute and resolute conviction, you can understand how we missed the sarcasm.

So how about giving us some valid reasons for inducting Steve Perry as a solo artist. Most of us can get with the Journey idea.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 01.1.09 @ 09:23am


HAPPY NEW YEAR, PHILIP!!! THAT GOES FOR ALL THE OTHER GREAT CONTRIBUTORS!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 01.1.09 @ 10:17am


Same to you, Gitarzan.

May 2009 be a better year than 2008, and may Stevie Ray Vaughan be on the nomination ballot by the time this year is over.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 01.1.09 @ 10:45am


Valid reasons, hmmm Philip? How about 'valid enough' reasons as compared to some of the other folks who are already wearing their R&RHoF badges...with even less valid reasons than Perry?

His influence on other artists. I really don't like this one in the first place. Surely ALL singers/musicians have influenced someone during their career, but the only ones that we will ever hear about are the ones who 'make it' in the business. What about all of the others out there in clubs who have devoted their lives to music, perhaps because of Perry? Good, even great singers are a dime a dozen, but only a very small handful make it in the biz. It doesn't make the non-popular ones any less passionate about their musical careers and it doesn't make the relevance of Steve Perry's influence any less important. A very generalized example would be all of the Journey cover bands that are out there, and before you jump all over that one, let me explain. I purposefully used Journey as the example to highlight my own personal difficulty in differentiating the two. I was quite young when I heard Journey for the first time, but I had already started my path in the music world. I liked all music and still do, but I wasn't really passionate about any one particular style. Like many young girls, when I saw Journey for the first time, I fell in love with Steve Perry. But it wasn't until I heard "Natural Thing" a solo SP, that I realized it was truly Perry that 'did it' for me(I had a copy of N.Thing before his solo album came out). When "Street Talk" came out, it solidified what I had heard in 'Natural Thing'. Steve Perry was a Blues Guy fronting a Rock & Roll Band. I began listening to Journey, specifically Perry, with a completely different ear. Of course my two favorite songs were "Lovin', T. S" and "Walks Like a Lady". No big surprise they were both solely SP's. Though SP was the singer for Journey at the time, it was not Journey, but SP who opened my eyes to a genre of music that I eventually became deeply passionate about, i.e. Blues, Motown. I delved into this, headfirst. I cannot be the only one in the world who feels this way. I can name a dozen or so popular singers who say that SP(not Journey) influenced them, but many of them have already been named, and the rest can be easily 'googled'.

Development & perpetuation of R&R, or something like that: Well I'm not really sure that he brought anything new to the table, but I do think that he helped keep the Motown/Blues vibe alive(in rock & roll) at a time when Bubble Gum Pop was all the rage. "Oh Sherrie" would not be a good example of this, but if a kid bought the album because of that song, then they were also exposed to a bluesier side of SP with the rest of the songs. I don't think that I was the ONLY 14yr. old white girl who asked for Sam Cooke and Al Green albums for Christmas. There had to be at least 20 or so other people on this planet who did the same thing.

I know that most people think that Journey would be a better candidate for induction into the Hall than SP would, but I actually disagree. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Journey, and Neal Schon is the best...but Journey, as a unit, didn't really offer anything different during that time. They did adapt to the changing times though, and they played extremely well together. They also produced some great songs together, but I would have to say that the band members themselves, with their individual talent, were superior to the group as a whole, though I don't think individually they would have been as successful.

Steve Perry, staying true to his roots during his solo endeavours, seemed a bit risky to me. His type of music was not all that popular on the rock scene at that time. I did see a couple of his songs being covered by singers on the BET channel though. Steve Perry alone, is the one who turned me on to early Motown. Sit down, here's one of those cliches that you hate. His music touches my soul, but more than that, it introduced me to a whole genre of music that touches my soul and that I feel akin to. He was my segway into that type of music, and I don't believe that I would have started listening to it any other way. It's not something my friends listened to. My parents/grandparents were all about 'country', and my cousins were into rock. So I do think that in a way, he perpetuated the bluesier(more original) sounding side of rock & roll reminiscent of the 60's.

So Philip, since you asked...there it is. Before you reply, I ask that you do me one favor. I know that you think you remember SP's solo songs, but I ask that you listen to a couple from my point of view, and rather than hearing SP, former lead singer for Journey, close your eyes and imagine these are rock songs from the 60's with a little Motown vibe. Then remember when they actually came out. "Summer of Luv", "Friend of Mine", "She's Mine", "Strung Out".
Also, just an FYI(and pretend you're a woman for these)..."Can't Stop"(audio) and "You Better Wait"(visual) are two of my favorites, just in case you were wondering. It puts a smile on my face to think that you might possible sit through these two songs.

Posted by Oh Sherrie on Thursday, 01.1.09 @ 23:32pm


OS...I enjoyed reading your justification; it is certainly interesting. And I am glad you were able to find the Blues and Motown although I am still not sure how SP got you there. I mean, if you were a kid when the Beatles were still around, there cover of "Please Mr. Postman" was a fast detour to Motown and Cream and the Yardbirds were a direct track to the Blues. But then, it doesn't really matter how you get there, as long as you did.

You make a very valid point as to influence. Why must influence only carry weight if it is only another known singer that you influenced? I guess the answer to that is that you can basically measure it. When Paul McCartney says that Little Ritchie influenced him, we accept that as a hard benchmark. But if I say that when I started playing music, singer X was my main influence, no one really cares because I am nobody.

This Hall of Fame is stupid and lost creditability years ago. But for now, it is all we have.

I have listened to everything that Perry has done as both Lead Vocalist for Journey and as a solo artist. I believe his total output since leaving Journey is 2 or 3 albums. None of which is anything special. This doesn't mean I am putting down his abilities. I like his voice very much. His measureable influence on music that came after him is based on his work with Journey and if he is ever inducted it will be along with the rest of the band. His impact is on you personally has nothing to do with this issue. When I started my first band in 1973, my biggest influences were the usual superstar bands along with Sweet and Mott. Sweet and Mott will never see the light of day when it comes to this Hall of Shame and I have to accept that.

Happy New Year

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Friday, 01.2.09 @ 05:23am


OS,
Great post. I really enjoyed reading it. What you describe with SP happened to me also. Except for me it was Stevie Ray Vaughan who opened my eyes to the Blues. Hearing SRV changed my life. After that, I only wanted to play in blues bands and still do. He was also overlooked by the RRHF this year. But who really cares what they think. We know the real deal.

Have a Happy New Year and keep rockin'!

Posted by Mosey A. Long on Friday, 01.2.09 @ 08:47am


Blah-blah-blah:

Do u really think that The Sweet have no chance?

Posted by Harddaysnight on Friday, 01.2.09 @ 08:54am


Sadly, yes. No matter how many bands claim Sweet to have been a major influence; they are not going to allow the creators of "Little Willy" into their putrid hallowed halls.

At least the weekend is here - time for a Ballroom Blitz!

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Friday, 01.2.09 @ 09:30am


That's just not fair... Sweet, Slade, T.Rex, Uriah Heep, Deep Purple....The hall needs to be less anti-Brittish...

Posted by Harddaysnight on Friday, 01.2.09 @ 10:40am


Blah-blah-blah,

Unfortunately I wasn't a kid when the Beatles were around. I was the next generation, born in '69, so music didn't begin to play much of a role for me until the 80's, when everything started turning to Pop. This was what I was talking about. People from my generation had just missed the boat when it comes to good 'ol traditional rock and roll and forget about the blues. Yes, I was talking about my own personal experience, but I can't really think of too many other pop singers from the 80's who had so much soul injected into their music, not his old 60's style with those songs that I pointed out. I am absolutely sure that you have heard everything SP has done, with or without Journey. I just wanted you to listen to it again, from my perspective. It takes on a new life. I doubt that you have listened to those songs recently, since you're not a big fan. It really doesn't matter if you like them or not, just 'hear' if you can understand where I am coming from and remember the year in which they came out.

You are right, he'll never get in, but it doesn't really change anything for me personally. And I did say 'valid enough' reasons, as compared to some of the other toots that are already in there.

Mosey, SRV should definitely be in the R&RHof, no doubt. Have you ever heard of Mofro with J.J. Grey? If not, you can look them up on Youtube. I'm hoping they'll do the same thing for this generation that our inspirations did for us in ours.

BlahBB-Please go to Youtube and look up Journey-Road Runner 1979 by Mariet2. Great performance! THIS was how they should have stayed.

Posted by Oh Sherrie on Friday, 01.2.09 @ 12:19pm


Steve Perry's rare talent and the lives he has touched with his music over the past decades make him worthy for induction into the Hall of Fame - with or without Journey.

Posted by Laine on Friday, 01.2.09 @ 12:56pm


Oh Sherrie,

I don't know that I can actually listen to SP through your experience, because I have my own experiences. When I have the time, I'll certainly try to listen through some of those recommendations, but you should also know that I am in fact younger than you. Born in '81, music was already a part of my life by the time I was in kindergarten, and a BIG part by the time I was in fifth or sixth grade. So, I too missed the blues. I got there through means of hair metal bands if you can believe that, because of the guitar solos that you'd hear, and when I later heard SRV and BB King's guitar riffs, it was all gravy to me.

Another reason that I doubt that I can use your ears is because of the work I do. I work for a radio station that you are a target audience member for. Women 35+ who melt at Steve Perry's voice. And forgive my utter harshness, but there are times when I feel that our station's target market should be blackballed from serious musical discussion, because these are the same women who request songs for coworkers that they are secretly in love with, but they don't know about it, but if I would *JUST* play their requests, then surely he would know of her love and give his love in return! Truth of the matter though, he doesn't listen to our lite-rock station, and is jamming out to the Scorpions on the classic rock station. These are also the same women who try to get me to agree to meet up with them sometime, in a social atmosphere because I have a sexy voice and seem like a really cool guy, or have offered to bring me dinner to the station, or have even gone so far as to leave me a love note at the station door. So, you can understand why I'd have a hard time listening to "Oh Sherrie" or "Foolish Heart" with the mindset of such a woman. (I'm not saying that YOU have done these things, just that a lot of women who fall into your age range and seeming musical taste have been like this. And it's creepy.)

The influence question is simple, and Blah-Blah-Blah touched on it. Simply put, it's the artists who make it in the business that do most of the work in keeping the music style alive. Take ska music. There are still ska bands out there, but with no one really making it, ska as a music style is dying, and as a radio format is outright dead. (Except for those extremely narrowcasting satellite stations).

Just a point of fact: "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'" is a Journey song, not solo SP. The rhythms are what hook me into that song, not his voice.

Admittedly, you make a good point by saying that it's the album stuff you gotta listen to in order to really measure solo Perry's worth. Gitarzan makes the same argument for Chic's worthiness. My answer to that though, is that if the singles that we're getting are dreck, we're not gonna be that compelled to spend our limited funds on that album to find out what else is on there.

But it's no use to compare Steve Perry to those already inducted. For starters, they're already in, and there's not much you can do to change that, and it doesn't improve Steve's solo work on its own merits either. Also, with the exception of Percy Sledge, (and the eventual induction of Chic now that this is their fifth ballot, we know they'll keep getting nominated until they make it), I haven't really had a problem with any of the inductees, though I thought Miles Davis should have been inducted as an Early Influence instead of as a Performer. But I'd still give Percy Sledge the edge over solo Perry. "When A Man Loves A Woman" helped usher in a smooth, polished soul style that was later carried on by the Five Stairsteps, the Chi-Lites, the Delfonics, the Stylistics, Bobby Womack, and in a lot of Philly soul. It didn't have the funk and grit that James Brown, Aretha Franklin, or anything Stax/Volt had; and it wasn't overly pop like anything Motown was putting out at that time. It was different. So yeah, even though we know his induction was all politics, one can still make something of an argument for him that in my humble opinion, is more compelling than that of solo Steve Perry. Most of what you present is personal and anecdotal, not looking at the broader musicscape, which unfortunately, isn't too compelling an argument.

But thanks for your thought-out (if lengthy) reply (and apologies for the length of mine). It's the most rational output any ayesayer for solo Steve.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 01.2.09 @ 23:49pm


Well, well, well, Philip. It may surprise you, but I actually agree with pretty much everything you said. And my original argument was not really for the induction of SP into the Hall, b/c I know it's not going to happen, but rather just to let some of his fans express their thoughts of why he should be inducted without getting pounced on(in a condescending sort of way) for EVERY shoutout for the man.

I wasn't asking for you to listen to those songs through my experience, but rather from my point of view. Listen with an open ear for the blues influence, rather than the preconceived notion that you're just listening to a lite-pop song. Yes, 'Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' is a Journey song, but music and lyrics were written solely by Steve Perry.

I wouldn't expect someone to buy an album, in which they didn't even like the single. I was saying that the ones who bought the album because of the single, would then inevitably be introduced to the rest of the songs.

Not to sound harsh myself, but I would never listen to your radio station. Besides my age, I am sooooo not your target audience. I haven't even listened to a Steve Perry CD in years. He just introduced me to Blues, and I am very thankful for that. There are certain songs of his that I like to listen to on a regular basis though. I am NOT an easy-listening type of gal. I listen to everything, and go through phases just like everyone else. Besides Blues, I prefer harder rock, edgier stuff, but then again I LOVE Alison Krauss, bluegrass of all things. My favorite, besides Journey, is Concrete Blonde. I can't get enough of them. And although they're an older band, I wouldn't consider them lite rock by any means. It stands to reason that you would stereotype women Perry fans of a certain age, because these are the women that you are exposed to, but for every 'one' woman who gives you a sappy call, there are twenty others, who don't. So please don't just assume that when a woman says she likes Steve Perry, that she also lacks any musical knowledge like some of your listeners. Not to sound rude to all of the men on here, but maybe 'she' only has time to come on here and say, "Oh my God, I love SP's voice. He makes me swoon", and then never come back again, because she's too damn busy. It doesn't mean she doesn't have substantive reasons for liking the man. My husband's great, but for some reason he still seems to have more time to spend at the computer than I do, even with a two and a five year old. So I'm just saying, count to three before throwing out the 'sarcastic' comments. I know you can do it, or you wouldn't have a job. Roll your eyes, grit your teeth, whatever it takes. I've read these comments in the past, but what finally brought me to comment, was the whole 'having sex and baby' thing. It was the presumptive stereotyping of ALL of his lady fans.

Posted by Oh Sherrie on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 11:46am


Oh Sherrie...in this day and age, going to a music subscription site and sampling everything SP did is actually pretty easy. Some of his solo stuff was okay, but not really noteworthy for the HOF. He's a very good singer, but not one who, on his own merits, is ever mentioned among the truly legendary artists. I'm one of those people who've been accused of being a "hater"...which I'm not. I just happen to think Journey would have to get inducted if Perry has any hope of getting in. Unfotunately, the people who call me and others that usually offer no viable reasons for him being inducted. You've at least taken a stab at it, for which I applaud you.

People get different messages from different artists. who's to say why some love certain ones and others think it's "fingernails on a blackboard". One thing you will notice about the HOF, though...it is a very rare occurrance that a lead singer gets inducted before (or after) his band...just seems to be the way it works.

By the way..."Eyes Of A Woman" by Journey...one of my favorites.

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 15:30pm


Gitarzan, I understand what you are saying. I understand what Philip said, and I understand what Blah-blah-blah said, but with all due respect, I don't think that any of you understood what I was saying...or maybe I just wasn't conveying my thoughts well enough. The replies that I've gotten back seem to be a response to what you think that I mean, rather than what I have actually said. Oh well, ces't la vie!
By the way...Much to my dismay, I don't anticipate seeing Steve Perry or Journey in the R&RHoF...ever. And "Road Runner" is my Journey favorite. "Summer of Luv" my Steve Perry favorite.

Posted by Oh Sherrie on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 16:01pm


"And my original argument was not really for the induction of SP into the Hall, b/c I know it's not going to happen, but rather just to let some of his fans express their thoughts of why he should be inducted without getting pounced on(in a condescending sort of way) for EVERY shoutout for the man. "---Oh Sherrie

Admirable, except the whole point of this site is to argue and debate the likelihood and deservability of an artist's induction. When someone says he deserves it because of the magic of his voice, it's highly subjective, oftentimes emotionally steeped in previous life experiences, and inanely written besides that. And we are gonna call them out on it. For instance, a friend of mine is really rooting for the Commodores to get in, not because of their contributions, but because the right Commodores song got a very-well endowed and beautiful woman to unhook her bra for him. Yeah, sorry, not a good argument.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the poor wife who can never get online argument. Not saying it doesn't happen, but widescale, no. I also can't really go for the theory that solo Steve got a lot of others into Blues music. It's just too much a leap. You could very well be the only one.

I think you're reading too much into the "sex and baby" thing, as well. It's hyperbole, because when someone says they want to have someone's baby, it's usually ALSO hyperbole. It's also based on the joke that supposedly there's one celebrity anyone would leave their significant other for. But you have got to admit, that those comments read with the tone of "Oooh, he's so DREAMY!! *swoon*" Gag.

I'm actually relieved to hear though, that you wouldn't listen to my station. I can scratch one potential stalker off the list. Roll your eyes if you want, those examples I gave in my previous post are VERY real. And I wish they weren't.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 16:06pm


Philip...unless you play Ohio Express or 1910 Fruitgum Co., I don't wanna listen to your station, either!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 17:10pm


I don't wanna either. On weekends we go retro... disco, synth-pop, new wave... everything you associate as what was wrong with the 70's and 80's.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 17:14pm


"Everything that was wrong w/the 70's and 80's".

Everything!

Not true I say, not true! I'll admit to not having an opinion on the 70's - my big wheel bike meant more to me then - but 80's new wave! How could you!

It may suprise you to know that some of us still hold Men Without Hats close in our memories...



O.K., stop that. I know you... your laughing... your laughing and I can't see you behind your monitor...


STOP THAT!









I know... oh, yes, I know...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 18:04pm


Oh yes, I am laughing. You'd best believe I am laughing.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 18:58pm


Philip, It's amazing what you read between the lines. I DO believe what you said about your women callers. I know women like that. I'm just not one of them, as you insinuated. I never rolled my eyes(until after you said,"roll your eyes"). I never took the whole 'sex and baby' comment literally, just a little peeved at the condescending tone and the inaccurate presumptions you have of ALL SP's 'lady' fans. Of course argue and debate all you want, just try to be a little less patronizing with your replies. There's no 'woe is me' here in the wife department. I simply do more than my husband while we are at home, and quite frankly I don't want him to do it anyway. I would never expect you to 'buy' what I am saying. You are not a woman.

My original post was meant a joke.

Tell your Commodores friend, she would have unhooked it anyway.

Posted by Oh Sherrie on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 19:00pm


"I never took the whole 'sex and baby' comment literally, just a little peeved at the condescending tone and the inaccurate presumptions you have of ALL SP's 'lady' fans."---OS

Well, just the ones that post here anyway. But really, there's tone to everything that's posted. Whether it's interpreted correctly or not is speculative. I get the humor of your post now, but like I said, given the rest of the comments here, I don't feel you can blame us guys for not getting it at first. And I'm not patronizing anybody.

"I would never expect you to 'buy' what I am saying. You are not a woman."

Speaking of tone... that just reeks of indignance and condescension. There are women who get treated badly at home, and I know a few such women, but I've yet to see it take the form of restricted internet access. Usually, it means MORE time to be online, since they're trying to get away from him.

And you know as well as I do she'd have unhooked it anyway, but whatever song in the background was playing when it happened is gonna be the one that impels. Eh, that's a moot anecdote anyway.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 19:22pm


"There are women who get treated badly at home, and I know a few such women, but I've yet to see it take the form of restricted internet access."

I'm not sure what this statement is in reference to.

The Commodores comment was meant to lighten the mood.

I think we can both agree that the back and forth banter has grown tiresome and redundant, so I'm taking a R&RHoF hiatus. Have fun chatting. Good luck with the obsessed SP fans.

Posted by Oh Sherrie on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 20:07pm


hi oh sherrie.. you know that there are people like philip that are so jealous of such gifted men as steve perry they can't see daylight.. steve is very talented, with a voice, and looks and,charm. god new what he was doing when he make steve, but i'm sorry to say when philip was asked by god would you like the looks, and of course philip said no, because philip thought he said books so philip was left out of that department, because he was to busy talking about other people like steve. looks are not everything, but with people like you who needs you putting your nasty remarks in about steve fans. if you don't like him please leave. who needs another smart ass. steve should be in the hall of fame, he is the best..love you steve.can't wait for your new cd to come out.luv you babe

Posted by pattie on Monday, 01.5.09 @ 11:26am


Philip...You are making friends by the minute :-)

Hey Pattie...I don't think God cares one way or another. By the way - who helped you write your comment, a 3rd grader?

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Monday, 01.5.09 @ 12:02pm


Wow Pattie. That was such a great impersonation of an obsessed SP fan, I almost thought it was the real thing. Thanks for the laughs. Now it's time to return to an adult conversation. So, does anyone have an example of an artist, that was influenced by Steve Perry's solo work? Keywords: another artist, influenced by, and solo work.

Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 01.5.09 @ 12:08pm


pattie:
You sound like an enlightened person, you know with that personal relationship with God and all. Read up babe, youre dissing one of your own. Sherrie's on your side.


Blah:
You're giving 3rd graders a bad name.


Claw:
Barney

Posted by Montrosecult on Monday, 01.5.09 @ 14:09pm


Popularity is mine at last. What can I say? lol

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 01.6.09 @ 15:28pm


Not on hos own. He was nothing till Journey and Herbie gave him a shot.

Posted by FaithfulluJRNY on Tuesday, 01.6.09 @ 15:41pm


someone tell me who is this person philip? hes really interesting..

Posted by judy on Thursday, 01.8.09 @ 09:26am


seeing the comments I just want to interject, Philip did a great job responding to Sherrie. with self-effacing humor and radioman experience, his comments are always fresh. manly yes, but Philip is also smooth in his approach. now as regards Steve Perry, forget about him as a soloist. he is never (NEVER) going to get dual induction. so it's better that he be nominated in the group with Journey - it will be all of them, or nothing.

Posted by benny on Thursday, 01.8.09 @ 11:06am


one more comment: with regard to unhooking or not unhooking her bra. a song such as "Easy Like a Sunday Morning" may indeed influence a woman to become amorous. people, you need to understand this!!! it is the very essence of the music.

Posted by benny on Thursday, 01.8.09 @ 11:26am


Hey Phillip,
Looks like another obsessed SP fan looking for you. Judy, Judy, Judy...

Posted by Bluesman on Thursday, 01.8.09 @ 11:36am


lol This is getting funnier by the minute. Thanks for the accolades benny, though I wouldn't call myself smooth. Anyhoo, I am here when I can be.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 01.8.09 @ 17:02pm


Meatloaf's "Paradise by the Dashboard Light" gets me some everytime, without fail. Try it boys.

Posted by Marco Lanzetti on Thursday, 01.8.09 @ 21:05pm


It's real bizzare how all these Steve Perry haters seem to stick to his post??? Is there some type secret anti-Steve Perry organization?? I think it's a bunch of people in denial of what Steve Perry's voice,song writing and influence brought to the table. There will never be another Steve Perry...period! Pay the guy some credit and stop hating! He and Journey never got the credit they deserved. His name will be inducted (with Journey) but.... It would never be if there was never a Steve Perry. People relate to the "VOICE" of the band... not the guitar player!

Posted by Stop Hating! on Friday, 01.9.09 @ 09:59am


Wow! at the comments, in only a few days.

Philip, I wouldn't be worrying too much about the obsessed SP fans. You're creating your own little fan club here...and I'm not talking about Judy.
Stop Hating!, I don't REALLY think that they're haters, but I do think it's bizarre.

Posted by Oh God ! a.k.a. Oh Sherrie on Friday, 01.9.09 @ 14:58pm


lol I find myself more a fan of the other people here than they of me, if that's what you mean. I think I'm the only hater here, though I do love "Don't Fight It" with Kenny Loggins. You're right about hating though... it's not so much hating on him as it is hating the emotionally factless posting that goes on here. This isn't a fanboard for artists. It's about the institution known as the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, and some here aren't even necessarily fans of THAT! lol

Posted by Philip on Friday, 01.9.09 @ 15:43pm


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Posted by S.R on Saturday, 01.10.09 @ 17:24pm


Steve Perry deserves to be inducted. Steve made a name for himself, he made the band go where they had never gone before. His voice is beyond compare. He will and always be THE VOICE...He has also been there for other artists. He is a fine singer, songwriter, producer and humanitarian. He has given the music industry the BEST of himself, he is the gift that keeps on giving. He has given many his heart and soul. His voice continues to inspire us all. If there ever was a singer that deserves this induction, it is Mr. Stephen Ray Perry.

Posted by Cynthia on Sunday, 01.11.09 @ 20:21pm


We all know that Steve needs to be inducted by what he did after Journey...he did great. His "For The Love Of Strange Medicine" CD was a great CD...A whole lot of it had to do with life experiences and things that mattered. 2 powerful songs from that CD were, "Stand Up (Before It's Too Late)"which more or less telling people of the world to stand up to all the nonsense going on in the world, take a stand on what you believe in and make it right. The second song was, "Somewhere There's Hope"...still telling the world that there is hope. And if anyone can really tell me why he shouldn't be inducted, then please do. His voice in in my heart and my head forever. Now tell me that his music doesn't matter, even after Journey?

Posted by Cindy on Sunday, 01.11.09 @ 20:36pm


His music after Journey does not matter one iota. And until one of you fangirls can actually give me a reason why his post-Journey work should be honored, then please stop whining.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 01.11.09 @ 20:43pm


i read all of these comments, and i feel like john lennon said it right. give peace a chance.all thats going on in this world you must make smart remarks about mr.perry. he made journey, and the songs that he sang then, and the ones he will be doing again. his new cd will be out tomorrow. i can't wait to buy it. i hope he makes it into the hall of fame. he dam well deserves it. after all he is the voice....

Posted by judy on Monday, 01.12.09 @ 13:17pm


What does it say about Steve Perry's solo career when Mr. Perry has totaled more "no' votes than anyone else except for Ms. Spears.

If Journey is inducted, then bravo to Steve Perry and this supposed honor. I would have nothing bad to say about that. But his solo career, I am sorry, no!

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Tuesday, 01.13.09 @ 10:28am


It must mean that Ms. Spears has even more obsessed "non"fans that vote on a weekly basis than Mr. Perry does.

I believe the non-fans obsess about him more than us so called 'fan-girls'.

Posted by Oh Sherrie on Tuesday, 01.13.09 @ 20:35pm


Wassup, Sherrie!!! I don't know if it's obsession from non-fans or just wonder. He's a very good singer, not the best I've ever heard (which is purely subjective, by the way), I enjoyed his work with Journey, but his body of work as a soloist is really limited. I personally would've liked to see him do more...it goes back to that saying "if not now...when???". I guess I just don't know what some artists are waiting for. John Q. Public has a short memory and a "what have you done for me lately" attitude. He's lucky to have fans that have stuck with him through the "lean" years...

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 01.13.09 @ 20:52pm


Wats wiz all this Steve Perry bulldung?
Steve Perry = Journey = Steve Perry = Journey = Steve Perry
(cut & paste above and repeat 1000 X)

Posted by Worm on Tuesday, 01.13.09 @ 21:06pm


O.S. - I have read your postings and you certainly put thought into them. But this obsession you see with non-fans is way off base. I am a fan of Journey. I happen to think that Steve Perry is an excellent vocalist within the structure of Journey. He has a great balladeer's voice. He certainly is no Freddie Mercury, but he is an excellent singer. And everything I have read here, plus my own comments clearly state that if and when Journey is inducted, Steve Perry will be so honored and it will be deserved. What Blah seems to reference does not seem a personal attack on Perry's and Journey's abilities or contributions to RnR. All anyone has said is that Perry's solo career is not noteworthy when measured to the criteria set forth by this institution. Why is that so hard for you or any of his fans to deal with? This is not personal, it is just in the context of the HoF.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 01.13.09 @ 21:08pm


Dameon, you has summed it up. I agree. But, try to use fewer words in the future.

Posted by Worm on Tuesday, 01.13.09 @ 21:14pm


gitarzan, i agree with you about steve perry..he does need to do more as a solo artist, because his fans have been waiting long enough, and to me he is needed. he is a great vocalist, so yes what is he waiting for.. his cd was to be out yesterday, but it wasn't at wal mart. the store worker said the trucks that bring in there supplies was late getting there, so i will go back today and get it. i want to hear what his voice is like now.. i hope its as great as ever. i love the work that he did with journey. steve if you read any of these remarks please hear our cry. we have not stop beleveing in you, but it seems you have us, your fans who are faithfully.

Posted by judy on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 08:23am


judy, The Steve Perry CD coming out is a new re-release of past SP songs...put out by Sony. Unfortunately, you'll see nothing new.


People PLEASE! First of all, I think you're a tag team. I speak to one, and someone else answers. Have I not said over and over.....and over...and.....over...again, that I do not think that SP will get into the R&RHoF. Not that I wouldn't like to see him there. But this is what I was talking about on an earlier post, to Gitarzan, about people reading into what they think I am trying to say rather than what I have actually said. I made a joke, a 'funny' if you will, and I get back a barrage of reasons as to why SP will not get into the Hall of Fame...only with Journey, yadda..yadda..yadda. I KNOW! and I know...and I know again. This was what my original post was about in the first place(the one a couple of weeks ago). Lighten up!

Posted by Oh God a.k.a. Oh Sherrie on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 09:25am


Oh Sherrie, at the risk of getting a slapdown, I think it is you who needs to liten up. (spelled "lite" for emphasis) Several commenters are actually trying to go along with you in this fairytale dalliance you have about Steve. Your comments are being understood. Relax!

Posted by Telarock on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 09:47am


...and again.

So Telarock, I suppose your condescending tone is supposed to goad me into an argument? And since humor fails to register with the 'Men's Club' here, I say this in all seriousness....Have fun chatting amongst yourselves about a man that you could none care less about. How ironic that Perry's actual fans are considered the obsessed ones. Seriously, take a look in the mirror tonight, and then count the number of comments posted by you guys, as compared to his actual fans. You all take this way, way too seriously.

Posted by Oh Sherrie on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 12:28pm


My response to you Oh Sherrie is only this, that you are not wrong about the obsessiveness here. Would you prefer lukewarm responses instead? I myself am no misogynist (woman hater). Im a great philogynist (woman lover). I have defended Pat Benatar (shes a baadasskickar!) and love The Pointer Sisters among others.

If you love Steve Perry, as yor moniker would suggest, you gotta stand in the fire and defend him ... if you wanna amuze yorself go read the comments handed to a certain Madonna fan named "Karl" (who turned out to be Karlah). This is a Rock N Roll site here sweetheart, and thats how we do. And frankly you really dont strike me as a weak person. As the song goes, Don't Stop Believing! (stay strong!)

Posted by Telarock on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 14:14pm


Telarock-Perhaps you didn't read far enough back. This would explain my name.

I know that Steve Perry is not going to be inducted into the R&RHoF at this juncture. And even still, I DID defend him, as much as anyone would be able to defend someone with only two solo endeavours to his name. In response, I received a bunch of patronizing responses, such as the one you just sent, honey. The men on this site also know that he will not be inducted into the R&RHoF, yet they keep arguing with SP's fans. So I ask, who are the ones really amusing themselves?

Thanks for giving the definition of those words. I would have been lost without them.

You are certainly free to make as many condescending remarks as you like to this last post of mine, but I assure you...it WAS my last post.

Posted by Oh Sherrie on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 15:22pm


You should've been gone
Now I know you'd lie
You'll stay

Posted by To Oh Sherrie on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 15:29pm


but I assure you...it WAS my last post.

Posted by Oh Sherrie on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 15:22pm
--------------------------------------------------
I know I haven't been involved in this thread here, but...

Don't go

Please

I hate to think people are driven off this site by belligerent words directed their way. Allow me to soothe the wounds by noting that:

"Parting is such sweet sorrow"

This line also applies to the peanut butter I've yet to have. Tis' the power of poetic peanut butter.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 15:43pm


I am I huge Steve fan and I am only 18! Steve has the most awsome voice I have ever heard, he is also my hero and I can agree with everyone hear when the say he has touched the hearts of millions. I have only been a fan for a year and I have half of his work that he has done with journey and his solo stuff.STEVE PERRY WILL ALWAYS BE THE VOICE!

Posted by Perryfan90 on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 17:18pm


Steve Perry Deserves to be In RHOF
No matter what GAytarzan and Bla bla Morons says get out losers....
You need to clean up your brains...Haters , Cockroach's

Posted by GAYTARZAN on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 22:08pm


Just when someone like "Oh Sherrie" tries to at least be a voice of reason on this page, some moron who goes by "GAYTARZAN" comes along and proves everything negative that is said about SP fans...no rhyme or reason, just a bunch of name calling and overall idiocy. Where does this "hater" thing come from? Who said anything about "hating" him. His solo stuff just didn't seem to appeal to critics and the only reason he landed on Rolling Stone's "100 Greatest Singers" list (Number 76) is by sheer talent...it's interesting reading, that is if some SP fans can!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 01.15.09 @ 07:21am


Leave it alone people. It's not about fans vs. non-fans; not about boys vs. girls; nor kissing up to Oh Sherrie. Regarding the last, kissing up has proven not to work in her case.

Posted by Worm on Thursday, 01.15.09 @ 11:33am


Oh Sherrie,
Baby please don't go. Baby please don't go, I think I love you so. Baby please don't go.
I will miss you.

Posted by Marco Lanzetti on Thursday, 01.15.09 @ 11:36am


thank you( oh god a.k.a )for telling me about the new cd coming out. i was lead to believe that there where 4 or 5 new songs on the cd. thats not good,but i guess i will buy it anyway. i love good music, and a great singer, and steve is the best.. thanks again... judy

Posted by butterflypat2001@yahoo.com on Friday, 01.16.09 @ 11:29am


Here is a thought - for all those who believe that Steve Perry should be inducted into the Hall, why not go to the Journey board and show your support there? It is with Journey that Steve Perry got the chance to showcase his vocal styling to the world and help bring a good band to greatness. Doesn't that make a little more sense?

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 01.23.09 @ 13:30pm


I actually think Journey should be inducted. But you all can't be serious about inducting Steve Perry solo! Dameon, looks like they took your advice, at least for now

Posted by Keebord on Tuesday, 01.27.09 @ 12:24pm


As a vocalist myself, sp is my idol, no one could touch his vocals and as far as im concerned no one has yet to this date. As far as his solo career I dont believe that will get Sp in but journey will.

Posted by dale force on Tuesday, 01.27.09 @ 13:41pm


Freddie was a better vocalist - Perry just kicked arse when it came to ballads.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 02.4.09 @ 13:03pm


ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS "L I S T E N" TO THE VOICE, THE VERSATILITY, THE RANGE!!!!WITH OR WITHOUT JOURNEY, STEVE PERRY SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED IN THE HOF AS ONE OF THE MOST MEMORABLE!! HIS SOLO EFFORTS ALONE SHOW THAT!! THANK YOU STEVE!!

Posted by DEBBY on Sunday, 02.8.09 @ 09:19am


If anyone deserves to be in the HOF, it's Steve Perry! The guy sang/sings ANYTHING; between his time with Journey and his solo recordings, he's given the world enjoyment forever. Incidentally, Journey was Journey for 4 years prior to Steve joining them; they went NOWHERE until he became lead singer!

Posted by JourneyFan on Friday, 03.13.09 @ 15:21pm


OH, NERTS! HERE WE GO AGAIN!

The stage lights go dim -

(cue Rob Robbie) - JourneyFan, come on down! You're the next contestant on...

MISTAKEN IDENTITY!

Yes, my good man (or woman), you're on Mistaken Identity, where folks go to clear up their confusion regarding rock bands... and here's your host Cheesecrop!!!

Cheesecrop enters - thank you Rob Robbie.

The category is Steve Perry, lead singer for the band Journey. While the band Journey has had a great deal of success, and in their own way developed their own pantented take on blues based arena rock, Mr Perry has done precious little as a solo artist to get in on his own.

(we see contestant wipe brow and sigh)

that was a tough one Cheesecrop!

Cheesecrop - Oh, I know it was, but just remember JourneyFan, and all of America...

thanks for playing MISTAKEN... IDENTITY!!!

(good night everyone)

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 03.13.09 @ 17:29pm


What's lost in everything concerning Mr. Perry who i do believe is the greatest singer-songwriter of all time, was that from 1978 through 1987 Journey toured for nine months and went into the studio to record their next album then hit the road which was repeated throughout a nine-year period. Three hours a night singing the toughest songbook, 3 times aweek for nine months for so many years is almost unheard of today. You just don't have that today, singers have utube, internet, and breaks from tours. In the 70's and 80's, Journey did not, Perry did not. Perry was never given his due 20-25 years ago. Early on, hos voice and sound was unreal, out of this world. It's sad it's just now come to be that we are debating if he should be inducted. No other singer had a game like him, he could sing like no other and with time passing by, became a lower tenor, fat sound with rich overtones to this day, i still can't believe he has anything left in the tank. Again, this is my view, he probably should have left Journey years ago and started another band. But 20 years ago, we never thought bad blood would reach so deep. So i say, his legacy is world-wide and he has nothing to prove to anyone if thats what he feels now. God bless and take care.

Posted by journey361 on Tuesday, 03.31.09 @ 17:46pm


Steve Perry "The Voice" brought Rock and Roll to another level when he brought his crooner voice to the Rock scene. Many have imitated his sound but none have duplicated it. That alone should convince you that he deserves to be in the RRHOF.

Posted by norma livella on Monday, 04.13.09 @ 22:30pm


journey361 that was a great comment. I see alot idiots on here just bashing on Perry and his legacy. They are blind to see beyond their stupidity.

Posted by My2Cents on Tuesday, 04.14.09 @ 10:58am


No, it is you who are blind. This is only, ONLY about his solo efforts. Not his work with Journey. Everything that is Journey is irrelevant to THIS particular discussion on THIS particular page, because this particular page is dedicated solely to Steve Perry as a SOLOIST, for songs like "Oh Sherrie" and "Foolish Heart."

And Norma, Steve wasn't the first crooner of the rock and roll scene. That would be Johnny Ace. Or Elvis Presley if you're looking for one who REALLY first took Rock And Roll to another level.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 04.14.09 @ 11:16am


Steve Perry was Journey!. He has such a awesome voice solo or with Journey. He touched my heart and soul. He sould be inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I love you SP. Listen to your music constantly.

Posted by patti corradi on Sunday, 04.19.09 @ 14:27pm


Steve Perry was the reason that I started listening to Journey. He was by far the greatest vocalist of the 80's era. His incredible voice and clear and precise vocals was far above anyone else in that day. Solo or with Journey he should be inducted in the hall of fame.

Posted by Sandy watts on Monday, 04.20.09 @ 21:34pm


It's funny how all these idiots conitnue to post trash about Perry. Are they some type of underground idiot patrol? Steve Perry's vocals carried Journey.... period! When people think of Journey it will always be Steve Perry's voice who comes to mind! Jon Bon Jovi was the first to call Steve the (VOICE) he stated that his vocals are unforgettable and timeless.

Posted by My2Cents on Wednesday, 04.22.09 @ 13:48pm


Here is a penny change for you two cents. Clearly you are the idiot because you do not understand the point of all this. If and when Steve Perry is inducted, it will be as a member of Journey. His solo career was not even close to being Hall of Fame worthy.

And if the best you can do is give us Jon Bon Jovi as a source - then that is not too strong of an arguement. BJ is the most over-rated band of the last 30 years.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 04.22.09 @ 16:41pm


Oh, one other thing, i just saw Steve Perry at the beach in Florida and there were about close to 100 people pointing and yelling as i came around the corner of a pier to see what the heck was going on, and as i turned the corner the VOICE as was walking on water, the ocean. What a singer, what a talent he was and is. The best singer ever as so many in the music business have stated. No one will ever sound like hum, ever. Steve Perry you are a one in an infinity.

Posted by journey361 on Wednesday, 04.29.09 @ 17:26pm


Dameon,

It seems your cruise this Steve Perry site every day. Your idiot ass needs to find something better to do with your worthless time. Your a losser and you show it will all your ignorant replies. Get a life you Moron!

Posted by My2Cents on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 12:21pm


That is why your opinion is not even worth two cents.

You see, it is people like you that do not even understand the point of this site. It is to discuss the merits of an artist for the Hall of Fame. If you actually read most of the comments, you would see that most of us agree that as a member of Journey, we have no problem with seeing him inducted into the Hall. But this particular page is referring only to his solo career, which I will state for the 100th time, was nothing special. And since it was nothing special, Steve Perry does not deserve induction as a solo artist.

So you really need to think a little before you start calling peole stupid. I commented to you last month because you decided to call people here stupid. And people who don't even understand what they are talking about should never call anyone stupid.

Get it; got it; good!

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 12:34pm


Dameon,

I think everyone here can tell your a moran from just reading your idiotic viewpoint. You wait and watch for Steve Perry fans to post there thoughts on a singer that they admire and then you try to bash them!

Everything you say is negative! Is there a reason behind your ignorant attempt to bash Steve Perry's music career? Do you need help? Are you hearing voices?

I guess common people do common things!

Posted by My2Cents on Saturday, 05.23.09 @ 02:30am


How is Dameon a moron? Oh, and notice the correct spelling on that word, ok? Dameon's trying to point out, as have many others of us, that this page is for Steve Perry's solo career only. There is a page for Journey. Seriously, click on the "Complete List Of Artists" link at the top, look for the heading that Journey would fall under, click on that heading, then scroll down to "Journey" and click on that, and voila! You'll see a page dedicated to Journey as a group.

He's also pointed out that this is not necessarily intended to be a site for fans to post their sworn allegiances to their favorite artists. That is a fact. This is NOT merely a site, to use your own words, "for Steve Perry fans to post there thoughts on a singer that they admire." This is supposed to be to discuss the serious merits of an artist and whether they deserve(d) induction into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. Note: "magical voice that makes my heart melt" is not considered serious merit by the Hall of Fame's nominating committee (who ultimately matter when it comes to getting an artist inducted), nor any of us serious regular posters.

The Hall of Fame people are not going to nominate Steve Perry without the rest of Journey for songs like "Don't Stop Believin'", "Anyway You Want It," "Wheel In The Sky," etc. If people think only of Steve Perry when they think of Journey, that's a real shame, because the rest of the band was pretty talented, and to think only Steve should be inducted to sum up all of Journey and his solo work is a slap in the face to those talents and the people who had and used them.

Dameon, Gitarzan, myself, and others, have tried to keep from flaming others who don't understand that when they first come to this site, but this has seriously gotten ridiculous that people don't understand that inducting Steve Perry only is NOT, repeat NOT the same as inducting Journey. Inducting Steve Perry alone is NOT, repeat NOT a congregate and consummate induction of everything the man has done, both in the group and apart. It is ONLY an induction of his solo efforts--NOT including anything with Journey.

We are not bashing Steve Perry's music career, we're only bashing people who cannot understand that there is a very important distinction between inducting "Steve Perry" and inducting "Journey." Anyone who thinks there isn't is wrong, plain and simple. Just a cold, hard reality.

Dameon's posts are not idiotic, with the possible exception that he's stooped to other people's level to engage in retaliatory name-calling.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.23.09 @ 03:04am


Inducting Steve Perry alone ... It is ONLY an induction of his solo efforts--NOT including anything with Journey.
(Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.23.09 @ 03:04am)
============================================
hey Philip, mostly I agree with you, but above statement I think is not quite right. If Perry were inducted (as ICO Smokey Robinson) his ENTIRE career would be featured, including songs with Journey. However, Journey (the group) would then only receive "passing mention" and could never have any hope of getting inducted as a 2nd entity. This was exactly what happened to The Miracles. (Just ask all-capps "BILL" who used to post here often.)

Posted by Telarock on Saturday, 05.23.09 @ 09:39am


Telarock, I think most who are currently in charge of the process would admit putting Smokey in solo before he was eligible as a solo artist was a mistake. They dug themselves an early hole and have since tried to make sure it didn't happen again. Unfortunately, it did, when they inducted Rod Stewart as a solo artist before he was really eligible.

And that is what we're trying to prevent here. To make sure this doesn't happen again. It's also an insult because Journey carried on with Steve Perry.

But... that doesn't change the fact that THIS page is to recognize solo Steve Perry only.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.23.09 @ 22:20pm


Everyone has their own judgement in reguards to how, if, and where SP will be inducted. With Journey, without or both. It's water under the bridge and not worth a debate. If he is inducted, great for him and i'm sure he would love nothing other than to be. He's all perfection and he's without question, one of the greatest singers to ever walk this earth. There will never be another like him and i always wondered if there would be, now 30 years later i know the answer. But what i have to judge this on is this: The LIVE intro stuff he did to songs in concerts and gigs. That SHIT is downright amazing and impossible to pull off. Brian May, Adam Lambert, Brian Adams and countless others have recently viewed and reserved comment (Which is another issue) and i have been lucky enough to hear and see them on youTube and video and let me tell you, Oh my God, he was unreal and one in a million. Forget any songs on any album, his intro stuff is jaw dropping. This hof introduction is so dam stupid and fake to begin with. Maybe they should rename it the American Idol music HOF. LOL:

Posted by journey361 on Monday, 05.25.09 @ 15:46pm


journey361...okay, I'm just curious...define "great" as far as pure singing ability goes, 1 to 2 octave range for the most part.I never heard anything more than that from him from him. Yes, he could hold a note...most good singers can. Let's see...everybody knew it was him when he opened his mouth...same can be said for Michael Bolton. And now, Journey has a lead singer who sounds just like him...pulls off the same "amazing stuff"...must not be too impossible.

Do you Steve Perry fans actually think things through before you post a comment, so you don't sound...I don't know...ridiculous???

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 05.25.09 @ 19:54pm


Gitarzan...okay, If someone paints a Leonardo Da Vinci picture and does the same exact work, is he just as good??? Of course not! Don't be stupid! How can you actually compare Arnel to Perry's vocals??

Many musicians have stated that Steve Perry had a influence on them are; Josh Groban, Tommy Krash, Rob Thomas of Matchbox Twenty, Chris Daughtry, Taylor Dayne, Garth Brooks, Jon Bon Jovi, Barney Greenway.

Posted by SuzyQ on Wednesday, 05.27.09 @ 11:54am


Many musicians have stated that Steve Perry had a influence on them are; Josh Groban, Tommy Krash, Rob Thomas of Matchbox Twenty, Chris Daughtry, Taylor Dayne, Garth Brooks, Jon Bon Jovi, Barney Greenway. - SuzyQ

Nothing more need to be said!

I have a question for all of you who have posted comments about Perry on this particular board. What part of his solo career warrants induction into the HoF? And please do not give me "The Voice" as your response. This is not the singers Hall of Fame. His influence as a lead vocalist goes hand in hand with the music that Journey recorded. It is highly unlikely that any of the artists listed by SuzyQ were influenced by his solo work.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 05.27.09 @ 12:19pm


But Dameon, what about the GREAT Barney Greenway? That should say it all right there.

Posted by Brian on Wednesday, 05.27.09 @ 13:45pm


SuzyQ...hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Arnel IS just as good, as MRXYZ would say...

"All ya need are ears!!!"

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 05.27.09 @ 17:41pm


My Top 10 of all time:
1. Steve Perry (Gets No. 1 position on pure talent alone, doesn't need any fourth-quarter heroics)
2. Robert Plant (Going against AI judge Randy Jackson here, reversed 1 and 2)
3. Freddie Mercury (So special on stage, falls short during attempting falsetto)
4. Ronnie Dio (A legend and will be remembered for first rock soaring vocals)
5. Janis Joplin (Love her toasty voice, so 60's and 70's)
6. Ian Gillan (Maybe abit higher here but look who's ahead)
7. Steven Tyler (Still rockingat his age and should inform Steve Perry it's possible)
8. Jim Morrison (Drugs, Party and women, more women, tons of women, free love)
9. Robin Zander (Nothing cheap about this trick, it's called ProTools)
10. Lou Gramm (Great voice and tone, just released a CD)

Posted by journey361 on Thursday, 05.28.09 @ 16:55pm


You've obviously never heard of someone named "Elvis Presley", have you??? Your list (with the exception of Plant & Mercury) is pretty uninformed.

Steve Perry is a good vocalist, and was a vital part of Journey's success, but as far as "pure talent" goes...he's pretty far down the list.

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 05.28.09 @ 17:29pm


journey361...now, if this is a list of your personal "favorites", then I can deal with that.

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 05.28.09 @ 17:32pm


Here's my personal favorite list of rock singers:
1. Elvis Presley
2. Paul McCartney(The Beatles)
3. Freddie Mercury(Queen)
4. Ian Gillan(Deep Purple Mark. 2)
5. Don Henley(The Eagles,solo)
6. Steve Marriott(The Small Faces,Humble Pie)
7. Steven Tyler(Aerosmith)
8. Roger Daltrey(The Who)
9. Axl Rose(Guns N' Roses)
10. Bon Scott(AC/DC)

Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 05.28.09 @ 17:42pm


Okay, Dude Man...that list is a little more like it...

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 05.28.09 @ 17:44pm


I have just got to chime in:

1) Freddie Mercury
2) Roger Daltrey
3) Ray Davies
4) Gregg Lake
5) Cris Cornell
6) David Ruffin
7) Layne Staley
8) Sebastian Bach
9) Ian Gillian
10)John Lennon

Journey361 - I like your Robin Zander pick - definitely top 20 as is Steve Perry, Elvis, Steven Tyler, Robert Plant, Eddie Kendrick, Axl Rose, David Coverdale, Steve Winwood and Ian Astbury of The Cult.

Morrison and Dio are way over-rated in my book.

There are hundreds of great vocalists in Rock and it takes more than just singing talent to put you on the top of the list.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 05.28.09 @ 18:12pm


I want to make a list to,

1)Mark Farner/Grand Funk Railroad
2)David Byron/Uriah Heep
3)RonnieJamesDio/Rainbow,BlackSabbath,Heaven&Hell
4)Ian Gillan/Deep Purple
5)Rob Halford/Judas Priest,Fight
6)Bruce Dickinson/Iron Maiden
7)Steven Tyler/Aerosmith
8)Chris Cornell/Soundgarden,Audioslave
9)Klaus Meine/Scorpions
10)Robert Plant/Led Zeppelin

P.S. The new Chickenfoot CD is really good. Satchmo and the boys kickass! Check it out.

SpaceTrucker

Posted by SpaceTrucker on Thursday, 05.28.09 @ 23:13pm


We're doing singers on the Perry page! I got a few (no order) that lot's of folks forget:


Roy Orbison - excellent voice

Mark Lanegan (Screaming Trees) - another awesome voice, and very underrated!

Roky Erickson - Acquired taste for some, but that guy can wail like nobody else!

Damon Albarn (Blur) - Give a listen, he's got a very good voice

Grace Slick (Jeff. Airplane/Starship) - IMO, best pure voice among any ladies EVER in rock! Joplin get's mucho hype, but Slick has the pipes!

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 05.29.09 @ 17:18pm


Some who might make my Top Ten. Can't really say for locks/certain, but some top contenders:

1. Frankie Valli
2. Elvis Presley
3. Paul McCartney
4. Roy Orbison
5. Ricky Nelson
6. Freddie Mercury
7. Axl Rose
8. Brian Wilson
9. Cass Elliott
10. Gene Pitney

Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.29.09 @ 18:02pm


All great vocalists, but I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Justin Hayward of The Moody Blues or Tom Jones. Those guys had tremendous voices.

Anyway, while I agree that Perry is a very talented vocalist, I'm not quite sure that he should get into the hall of fame as a solo act. With Journey? Definately.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 05.30.09 @ 23:41pm


I love all of your fave singer lists guys, especially Phillip's. A few more names I would have to though are Sam Cooke, Clyde McPhatter, Jackie Wilson, Wilson Pickett, John Fogarty, Eric Burden, Billy Joel, And Eddie Vedder

Posted by Jonny on Sunday, 05.31.09 @ 10:59am


Digital Dream Door's list of Top 10 Male Rock Vocalists

1) Freddie Mercury
2) Jackie Wilson
3) Jeff Buckley
4) Sam Cooke
5) Robert Plant
6) Ian Gillan
7) Steve Perry
8) Roy Orbison
9) Chris Cornell
10) Clyde McPhatter

11) Elvis Presley

Posted by Jonny on Sunday, 05.31.09 @ 13:22pm


www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqmUgDUx7o0

Anybody into jazz singing/scat singing has got to check out this video of the amazing Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross. A true lesson of what 'soul' is.

Posted by Jonny on Sunday, 05.31.09 @ 13:25pm


RE: Digital Dream Door's list of Top 10 Male Rock Vocalists

Can't leave out Little Richard, he wrote the book on rock and roll singing.

Posted by robbell on Sunday, 05.31.09 @ 19:05pm


Since nobody has mentioned him, I think Denny Doherty had a pretty good voice.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 06.1.09 @ 06:56am


DigitalDreamDoor takes public voting into account, so can't really go by that. Steve Perry has little chance for consideration into the Hall of Fame- as his percentage chances show.

Posted by JR on Wednesday, 06.3.09 @ 11:47am


I love Steve Perry

Posted by Fan Girl #1 on Tuesday, 06.16.09 @ 13:45pm


In terms of this "Singers" list I'll add a few names no one has mentioned yet: Eric Burdon, John Fogerty, Leslie West and Jack Bruce

Posted by Keebord on Tuesday, 06.16.09 @ 13:47pm


Oops...looks like Eric Burdon was already mentioned...but with an incorrect spelling!!

Posted by Keebord on Tuesday, 06.16.09 @ 13:49pm


Steve should be inducted with Journey not for his solo work. Being honest he didn't have an Eric Clapton or Ozzy Osbourne type solo career.

Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 06.16.09 @ 14:09pm


Steve Perry should be voted into the Rock&Roll Hall of Fame. He is a trained vocal talent with a very unique vocal gift who has made a very unique contribution to the art. No one else can touch his vocals, and his writing ability is undeniable. Journey was going nowhere when he came, bringing his individual talent which then made them successful. Even they admit that- watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch
v=QqPQqSi0ipY&feature=related
His body of individual work contained in 3 releases is reason enough to induct him into the Hall of Fame, however when you listen to his entire career the evidence is overwhelming. To say that he must be inducted along with Journey is like saying an actor cannot receive an Oscar for his work in a film without the film he was in winning the Oscar. Ridiculous. His talent stands on its own, and always will. Neal was totally replaceable - just look at Lincoln Brewster in the FTLOSM band. Need I go on with each member? You get my vote Steve - Rock Solid!

Posted by Kitten on Friday, 06.19.09 @ 23:41pm


I think steve perry should been inducted back in 2000. I'm wondering what is taking so long please can someone tell me.To even say is will not be whould be totaly crazy just ask the millions yes that is right I SAID MIIIIONS!!!!! of people he and journey have helped changed their lives just by singing to them. With songs like open arms that was their bigest selling single, don't stop beleveing that song is a testament in itself, who's crying now, loving touching (sqeesing) hope I spelled that right,and be good to yourself. these song and the fact that they where a very profesional band only is good reason to me that all of journey should be in there.

Posted by Veronica McDonald on Sunday, 06.21.09 @ 15:24pm


as I begain to learn more and more about steve perry over the years I'm becomeing more covinced that he shouid have been inducted back in 2000. I'm from the old school so I know journey had a following back in the days before steve join the band I was one of them. I love to hear neal schon play he is one of the best but like steve and neal have said over the years they had to get a frontman who chould put them on the radio or they whould be drop was the exprestion they used back then. Was true not just becauce they said it we where all told that when steve joined the band. Anyway I learned that Steve had a following before journey if you don't know that just as the guys who played for the groups the sullies. allen project,peaice I think I spelled that right and any other group he played with that I don't know of. So what I'm saying is these are the people who followed him to journey and if you don't belevie that just look at the records that are still sellng even to this day.

Posted by Veronica McDonald on Sunday, 06.21.09 @ 15:55pm


I have to make a correction when I said the guys in those groups followed steve To journey I met the fans where the ones as there is prove from the record sells.

Posted by Veronica McDonald on Sunday, 06.21.09 @ 16:02pm


Perry's vocal range is incredible, his versatility unparalleled and his rock-ness under-appreciated. We don't even have to talk about breath control or tonality; he is the master of rock vocals, seconded only by Robert Plant and Ann Wilson (of Heart). Those who doubt Perry's contribution to rock need to check out Journey songs like "Mother, Father" (especially the studio version), "Back Talk" and "Edge of the Blade", not to mention the more commercial singles. In terms of his solo career, it is there that he brings his R&B (read: Sam Cooke)and gospel influences into arena rock, creating a sound that is/was truly refreshing.

Posted by Gabatxo on Thursday, 07.2.09 @ 21:12pm


First of all, Perry does NOT have great range...Mariah Carey (who I'm not a big fan of) can sing from an alto to a whistle register...THAT'S great range (from about 5 to 6 octave, I believe). If someone is going to talk about "great range", it would help to know what it is...!

If he get's in at all, it'll be with Journey...preiod. His solo career was unspectacular to say the least, and anyone would have to be a HUGE SP fan not to think otherwise.

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 07.3.09 @ 07:17am


...period. Sorry...!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 07.3.09 @ 07:19am


Anyone who thinks Perry is on par, or even close to Elvis or Freddie is obviously tone deaf. Do you even know what "vocal range" is? It certainly doesn't mean "loud" and "not so loud".

Another thing...if Perry wrote all of these "masterpieces" it's really too bad he didn't choose to record them...!!

With Journey...maybe (but don't hold your breath), solo...absolutely NO chance.

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 18:24pm


I'm a Journey fan, but Steve should NOT be inducted for his solo work. There is NO influence or innovation in it. And he is a good singer, but there is no way he is in the same class as Mercury, Elvis, etc. Him, Deyoung, Plant, Jagger, and several of the other solo artists just don't have enough to be deserving of solo induction.

Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 18:38pm


I don't mind Steve Perry so much (as long as it's with Journey), but you people are ridiculous. His solo career was mediocre at best (unless you're just a hardcore fan). If his solo stuff was a Baskin-Robbins flavor, it would be vanilla!

Now, here's the so-called criteria for induction...innovation, influence, and perpetuation of the artform (which we're assuming is Rock & Roll music). That being said, why don't you give examples...what he did, direct quotes, singers he's directly influenced and when they said so,etc...Lots of luck!!!

I'd rather be a "deranged rock dinosaur" than a "functional illiterate".

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 18:45pm


I think the same (porcelain) altar is reserved for all the Steve Perry & Madonna fans who are a little bit "out there"...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 18:51pm


I think the same (porcelain) altar is reserved for all the Steve Perry & Madonna fans who are a little bit "out there"...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 18:51pm
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Now I know we agree on a lot of things, but I can't let you go knockin' the porcelain altar...


I do some of my best thinking on those contraptions...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 19:22pm


"I wonder though, of all the solo artists who aren't deserving of induction (Jagger, Richards, Fogerty, Ringo Starr, DeYoung, Plant, Page, etc), how come all these fans decided to flock to Steve Perry's page in large numbers and ignore all the rest?"-Keebord

My guess is because Journey hasn't been inducted either. Other than DeYoung(who actually for a while was getting the Perry solo treatment) each one of those artists has been inducted once.

Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 20:01pm


Steve Perry deserves to be in the hall of fame..

Posted by Marge on Wednesday, 07.8.09 @ 20:34pm


Not for his solo work.

Posted by Dude Man on Wednesday, 07.8.09 @ 20:37pm


I think Steve should be inducted both as a solo artist as well as for his time with Journey. Journey is nothing without him just look at what they havn't done since he left! I truly beleive that they would not have had the hits or the impact they did if he hadn't joined and co wrote all the hits they had no to mention his voice no one can replace that IMHO.
So yes though his solo work was minimal it still dosn't discount the impact he had on the music industry and the people who listen to music.

Posted by Sharla on Thursday, 07.9.09 @ 00:51am


Sharla - did you even read what you typed before you submitted this?

So yes though his solo work was minimal it still dosn't discount the impact he had on the music industry and the people who listen to music. (Sharla)

So if his solo work was minimal, then why should his solo career be inducted.

Journey is nothing without him just look at what they havn't done since he left! (Sharla)

Have you noticed that it is Journey who continually goes out on these summer tours and consistently sell out. What exactly has Steve Perry done these last 15 years? Maybe it is Perry who is lost without the rest of the guys? Have any of you Perry fangirls ever considered that possibility?

Most of us agree that Journey should one day be acknowledged and be inducted; but please do not attempt to separate Perry from the rest of the band and credit him solely for their success. Neal Schon had as much to do with it as SP.


Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 07.9.09 @ 07:08am


So yes though his solo work was minimal it still dosn't discount the impact he had on the music industry and the people who listen to music.

Posted by Sharla on Thursday, 07.9.09 @ 00:51am

You just blatantly contradicted yourself

Posted by Keebord on Thursday, 07.9.09 @ 16:01pm


Dameon and Gitarzan

I don't think you have any idea of what you are speaking about. The band accused Steve Perry of sounding like Journey when he did his solo albums . Duh he sound like Journey because he was their lead singer. As far as his voice, well if you listened to American Idols's Randy Jackson, he sid Steve Perry has a great R&B voice.
So I think he should be inducted . Journey mad the rock and roll walk of fame and it wasn't because of the other lead singers. Journey became popular in the late seventies and eighties, the Perry era. So my votes with Steve

Posted by Steve Matrai on Sunday, 07.12.09 @ 20:13pm


Maybe Randy Jackson said that because he used to be the bass player for Journey. There must be some reason why, for the most part, Steve Perry has been hiding in a cave somewhere for the last 10-15 years. He's a good singer, but like what has been said here countless times, there are a LOT of good singers out there...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 07.12.09 @ 20:33pm


I cannot believe that I will respond again to a fanboy. Get this through your heads - Steve Perry's solo career is right there with that of Robbie Nevil, Paul Young, and a host of other pretty voices - nothing.

His solo career had no impact what so ever in the development of Rock, RnR, R&B or any other genre. His solo career influenced no one and nobody. Therefore, he never should be inducted as a solo artist.

If you would all take the time to read the stated criteria of the HoF, you would know that.

His career with Journey is a different subject which is why Journey has their own page here. The majority of people feel that Journey should be inducted and I am all for that happening one day in the future. And if that day happens, Perry, along with Schon and the rest of the group can share the stage together.

But the day will never happen when they induct Perry as a solo artist. And the reason for that is - "He and it does not warrant it".

I don't know whcih conversation has been as annoying as this one. I guess Madonna and Coven rank right there with this one.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 07.12.09 @ 20:37pm


Dameon...I feel your pain!!! My wanting to correct an absolutely STUPID statement gets the best of my better judgement sometimes (which you've reminded me of on more than one occasion)...so much so that I'm now relegated to being a "dumbsuck devil woeshipper". However, today I think I finally turned the corner and said "go talk to someone who cares..."

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 07.12.09 @ 20:50pm


The word is "worshipper". I would certainly feel better about that if I typed with blinding speed...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 07.12.09 @ 20:52pm


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop referring to Arnel Pineda's voice classification as a COUNTERTENOR! Do you have any idea the criteria that makes up a countertenor? They are rare, and Steve Perry was a TRUE countertenor; not a falsetto countertenor. He only employed falsetto in his extreme upper range. To see posts that Arnel is Steve's vocal clone is like listening to people misuse big words to appear more intelligent, without actually knowing what the words mean.

Posted by Abraxas on Friday, 08.7.09 @ 05:42am


I was watching a VH1 show 'Top 100 Songs of 80s' the other night. Show was made back in 2007. One of the top songs was a Journey song (Don't Stop Believin, I think) & the voiceover went thru what various members of band had been doing & they said that Steve Perry had basically been doing nothing since the 80s. Didn't mention any solo work (album) by name.

Just thought I'd share that with the Perryphiles.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 08.7.09 @ 06:13am


Yes, I am familiar with vocal classification...and they're nearly identical. As a matter of fact, Pineda actually sings those songs LIVE better than Perry did.

Sorry to burst your SP lovin' bubble.

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 08.7.09 @ 06:21am


Yes.Steve Perry has an angelic voice that moves mountains,his voice has the star quality that makes him a real artist.He deserves this recognition.My answer is YES.

Posted by RASHME on Friday, 08.21.09 @ 00:36am


I think these people that are talking him down are jealous.And what does it matter if he has not done anything for awhile that does not take away what he has done.And I do listen to his solo work and much as his work with Journey.Both Great!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I seen him in concert I was just stunned very talented man more than others and as far as the Arnel he has his own voice and is good but not as good as Steve.Seen him in Kentucky and he needs to do other things besides just jump up and down when he is preforming. Steve needs to be inducted no matter what.These people who talk against him does not know what talent is. His voice speaks for it self.

Posted by Steveforever on Wednesday, 10.14.09 @ 10:00am


Just when we thought it was safe...

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 10.14.09 @ 17:26pm


wat d'ya mean safe? iz that a ref to Steveforever? (ugh!) yeah, he seen Steve Perry and waz smitten by the sheer magnificence of him. ah well! here we go again.
Journey - Yes, including Perry
Perry - No, not as a soloist

Posted by Telarock on Wednesday, 10.14.09 @ 17:43pm


She dun sawd 'im...sock stuck down dem tight pants and all...

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 10.14.09 @ 18:05pm


Gessin that were it, when she dun seed that thar cod with 'is sock stuck in't. She did swoon an' who cud blame her? Oh Sherry!

Posted by Telarock on Thursday, 10.15.09 @ 08:43am


We sure do hope Steve perry gets inducted into the hall of fame because he definitely deserves it! We love his music so much that we created a dedication website for him & his fans!!!

TheOtherMrsPerry.com

See you there and we will see Steve perry in the ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME!!!

Posted by The Other Mrs. Perry! on Friday, 10.16.09 @ 13:03pm


Gonna be a long wait for that one. If Journey has a band has little chance, Perry as a solo act has even less (as evidenced by his percentage chances).

Posted by JR on Sunday, 10.25.09 @ 22:51pm


Steve Perry should be an obvious choice to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, now that he has reached eligibility status. His many contributions to the music industry based on all levels of fame as an artist, song writer, great singer, and producer should be the driving force. It's not based on any one thing he gave us, but the over all picture. Critics say that there was a "Journey" before Steve Perry, and there will be a "Journey" afterwards, however it truly was Steve Perry that gave "Journey" the "success status" as an icon in the music industry. Regardless of the critics, the fans had spoken back then and are still speaking to this day about their passion for Steve Perry as a performer. Induct Steve Perry first, and then "Journey" into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Simply put, there would be no "Journey" as we know it without Steve Perry.

Posted by VB on Monday, 11.9.09 @ 11:00am


I can say without any doubt that Steve Perry had an impossible or hard to duplicate voice (with technique) in his run to stardum that was almost unnatural or for a better term, unreal. And im on record as saying his (top end, vibrato, falsetto) was and even is to this day, ummattched. No question and you don't even have to like him to know that. I'm not really talking about all those songs on albums or on the radio you all have heard for some 30 years now. I'm talking about warmups and practice sessions before concerts that have been talked about from various artists back in there day. You see, the reason i know this is because one day in 1978, i was asked from a friend to attend a concernt in San Francisco with abunch of new bands and even some middle to known bands at this show. Halfway through the show, the announcer comes on and said they have a band that will make itself known to the music world in 30 minutes. When that time came, i remember seeing who i thought was a girl but it was a guy and he started this voice warmup stint that frankly was really a voice stroke waiting to happen. It was not of this earth and his vocals were at a point where he could have landed any gig with any form of music. Now, Journey played songs off their new album Infinity and of course the rest is history. I think Steve Perry knows what he had back then and thats why he fell off the face of the earth some 17 or 18 years ago and he wants to keep his legacy intact.

Posted by Sammy on Tuesday, 01.5.10 @ 17:30pm


Perry's vocal quality has been matched and surpassed by several artists...before he came on the scene and since. He doesn't have that great of range, but he was okay with what he had and his sound was no doubt unique.

But can he be listed with the best singers ever...NO!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 01.5.10 @ 19:24pm


Arnel Pineda sings better than Stevie, hehehe

Posted by akeem on Tuesday, 01.5.10 @ 21:36pm


Steve Perry should be inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame. His voice is distinct and one of a kind.

Posted by diane on Friday, 01.8.10 @ 20:43pm


...which can be said about DOZENS of singers out there. Journey would have to be inducted first, and even then Perry's solo work would rate very slim, if at all...

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 01.8.10 @ 21:01pm


Tes I believe that steve perry ...THE VOICE....should be inducted in to HALL OF FAME...because he is the most talented singer, songwriter ever. His music touches the heart and soul of so many. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE...That is where he belongs. Love you STEVE

Posted by renee on Saturday, 01.9.10 @ 20:48pm


Isn't there a fan website where you can virtually "throw your underwear" at him? And is this "THE VOICE" thing a self proclamation? Have you ever listened to the likes of Freddie Mercury or Elvis Presley? If you're referring to Perry as "THE VOICE", then my guess is probably not...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 01.10.10 @ 12:02pm


Who did steve Perry influence that is famous today?

Posted by bob Smith on Friday, 01.15.10 @ 14:43pm


RE: Bob Smith's question of influence:
Steve Perry influenced Chris Daughtry, Chad Kroeger and Rob Thomas. by RS 100 singers

"His technical skills (those high notes!), pure tone and passionate sincerity now seem undeniable." "Millions loved it." by RS 100 singers

"Queen guitarist Brian May said in a 2007 interview "Perry is a truly luminous singer, in my opinion — a voice in a million."

Steve Perry's voice is one of the most, yes, unique, and passionate voices, clear with that slight hint of rasp that gives it that passion. And no, not a screamer. He is listed with the best singers.

Missed it then but really like hearing his voice constantly on radio now 25 - 30 years later and do have his solo work and the Greatest Hits that are still selling like hotcakes..... I think about 900 weeks straight on the catalog charts. The Greatest Hits were in the Top 10 for this decade catalog sales. Wish he had continued with solo work.

Gitarzan was it you who I think said above that David Ruffin was one of your favorites? He's listed as 65 on RS 100 singers and I thought he should be listed higher, just like Steve Perry. Lou Gramm and Ann Wilson should be on the list.

Not an Elvis fan and don't really care for Freddie Mercury's voice for I prefer Steve Perry's voice much much more. The Voice thing was not his self-proclamation but fans who loved his voice.

Do hope Steve Perry is inducted.

By the way Gitarzan, why do you dislike him so? Do you bash at other future ROR singers sites that you don't like or do not want people to like?

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 01.20.10 @ 20:34pm


I just love Jounry.. but Steve standing solo just does not cut it in my book.... Just goes to show ...what a good band players and production team can do to make the singer sound his or her best or even better than their best..

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 01.20.10 @ 20:40pm


I came to know and like Steve Perry's solo before Journey. Journey existed from '73 - 77 before Steve Perry joined but few people knew and when he left in 1998 the stadium crowds did not hang around. I guess that shows what a great voice can do for a band, make it much much better.

"Journey is three vocalists removed from its heyday, when Steve Perry fronted the band. But if you close your eyes, you'd hardly notice. By following a strategy of employing Perry sound-alikes, the five-man group has remained a popular touring attraction" 9/15/09 Hartford Courant

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 01.21.10 @ 03:23am


When Perry was with Journey I liked him fine...I just don't think he's in the upper echelon of great vocalists. As for his solo career, it wasn't his talent so much as his choice of material...which really wasn't very good...

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 01.21.10 @ 06:35am


Journey is three vocalists removed from its heyday, when Steve Perry fronted the band. But if you close your eyes, you'd hardly notice. By following a strategy of employing Perry sound-alikes, the five-man group has remained a popular touring attraction" 9/15/09 Hartford Courant

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 01.21.10 @ 03:23am


Like I said the band is better than Perry... Lots of good singers out there ...

Posted by mrxyz on Thursday, 01.21.10 @ 09:00am


Like the guy said: 9/15/09 Hartford Courant

"Journey is three vocalists removed from its heyday, when Steve Perry fronted the band. But if you close your eyes, you'd hardly notice. By following a strategy of employing Perry sound-alikes, the five-man group has remained a popular touring attraction"

"Current singer Arnel Pineda is not slavish to Perry's original work, but it was clear from the opener, "Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)," that he learned the songs' intonations from listening to the same records."

"Drummer Deen Castronovo attacked every backbeat and provided lead vocals of his own, also making a point of aping Perry as he snapped at "Keep on Runnin'." He sounded much the same even when singing tunes that post-dated Perry's time with the band, yelping 2001's "Higher Place" in a manner that suggests the band considers Perry's cadence to be its own intellectual property, for use on anything it chooses."

"Pineda wailed with enthusiasm and conviction but was rarely his own singer, and only then in small flourishes that added mild dressing to the likes of the ultra-average prom theme "Faithfully."

Like the guy said they continue with Perry sound-alikes, trying to recreate what they had over 25 years ago. They seem to need and can't get pass his signature Voice.

Like I Say: Steve Perry should have put a patent on his Voice for they can't seem to do anything without trying to recapture his sound. Wish they wouldn't do that.

Do hope Steve Perry in inducted for he is simply the best.

Posted by S L Ballard on Friday, 01.22.10 @ 21:24pm


Gitarzan,

What about this?

"If only one singer could be selected as the most identifiable with '80s arena rock, it would have to be Journey's Steve Perry." Amazon

Arena Rock - Profile of Mainstream '80s Genre Arena Rock, By Steve Peake, About.com Guide
http://80music.about.com/od/genresmovements/p/arenarock.htm

"Without arena rock, '80s music would have been a far different creature, and despite common attitudes to the contrary, probably not for the better.

Struggling former progressive rock bands like Journey were the most profound beneficiaries of the hybridization that became arena rock, as an increased pop aesthetic paved the way for bombastic singers from Steve Perry to Dennis DeYoung to rise to the top of the charts. Additionally, bands like Canada's Loverboy freely used elements of new wave keyboards to dress up hard rock guitars and, especially, to perfect the important '80s art of the power ballad. Songs like "Open Arms," Survivor's "Eye of the Tiger," and .38 Special's "Caught Up in You" exemplified this initial arena rock sound."

RS 1/21/2010, p16 - Abba on induction said:
"I didn't think this would happen, because we were a pop band" says Andersson

Thanks.

P. S. Do hope Steve Perry is inducted.

P. S. When I check Riaa certifications, Journey is right there with best of them.

Posted by S L Ballard on Friday, 01.22.10 @ 22:04pm


RIAA rankings do not matter. They are irrelevant. And honestly, the article you cited about Pineda only show how imitable (read: not unique) Steve Perry is. And lastly, you've not explained one iota what makes Steve Perry's solo career, COMPLETELY APART FROM JOURNEY worthy of recognition. This page/thread is about Steve Perry as a solo artist. Yes, most of us range between don't mind to absolute must on the idea of inducting Journey, but this discussion is about his SOLO career, which is nowhere near worthy of induction into the Hall.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 01.23.10 @ 01:08am


Journey's most popular line-up was a nice combination, but I'm not sure being associated with "80's arena rock" is really such a good thing...if you want to get down to brass tacks, Kevin Cronin has a pretty distinct "voice", too.

My point is Steve Perry certainly didn't prove to people that he was the "driving force" behind that group's popularity with his solo work...which was simply dreadful. Besides that, of the two entities, who's still around...???

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 01.23.10 @ 05:29am


RIAA rankings do not matter. They are irrelevant. And honestly, the article you cited about Pineda only show how imitable (read: not unique) Steve Perry is. And lastly, you've not explained one iota what makes Steve Perry's solo career, COMPLETELY APART FROM JOURNEY worthy of recognition. This page/thread is about Steve Perry as a solo artist. Yes, most of us range between don't mind to absolute must on the idea of inducting Journey, but this discussion is about his SOLO career, which is nowhere near worthy of induction into the Hall.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 01.23.10 @ 01:08am


I think the article shows that imitation is NEVER the real thing, but to constantly spend your life trying to capture the real thing and not being yourself shows how great and important the real thing is. Inability to move forward without trying to capture the sound/cadence of its most distinctive vocalist - I believe that is called "karaoke." That alone should make him deserving of induction.

Anyway, Heart was the real thing and simply fantastic so money wasn't wasted.

Posted by S L Ballard on Monday, 01.25.10 @ 18:34pm


My point is Steve Perry certainly didn't prove to people that he was the "driving force" behind that group's popularity with his solo work...which was simply dreadful. Besides that, of the two entities, who's still around...???

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 01.23.10 @ 05:29am
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Steve Perry's solo album Street Talk went multi-platinum and over 20 years later I still hear songs being played. Like I said I liked his solo first before knowing Journey. That Voice is Voice no matter where it is.

And after hanging on and on for years, you're right the "tribute band" is still around and so is youtube if things don't work out, again.

Posted by S L Ballard on Monday, 01.25.10 @ 19:06pm


Is he a good singer...no doubt, but to refer to him as "the Voice" one would have to be a pretty big fan. No one I know refers to him as that. In the large scope of popular music, his solo career was mediocre at best. Geez, Michael Bolton had "multi-platinum" albums, too. Also, isn't it funny how Journey was able to find a singer who sounds exactly like him...seeing how his voice is so "unique" and all...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 01.25.10 @ 19:29pm


Many just love Perry ...I can't name one of his songs...He really didn't do much for me......I wonder why he left Jounry......I have a guess but,,,?

Posted by mrxyz on Monday, 01.25.10 @ 22:23pm


Leadegosis, mrxyz... that's what it was... same thing that drove Diana Ross to go solo, and Beyonce, and Frankie Valli, and John Fogerty, etc.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 01.26.10 @ 17:12pm


Oh no - not again. Steve Perry's solo career does not warrant induction into anything. Yes, he has a great voice. No, his solo material is nothing spectacular. It is middling at best.

If and when journey is inducted, Steve gets into the Hall. Never on his solo exploits.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 01.26.10 @ 17:36pm


I can't believe this Steve Perry discussion is still going on. Can you discuss more serious things?

Posted by Milestones on Tuesday, 01.26.10 @ 17:38pm


Yes! Next question....

Posted by Keebord on Tuesday, 01.26.10 @ 17:38pm


Though Steve Perry is said to have one of the greatest voices in rock and roll, that alone is not enough to induct him into the Hall. If he indeed does have one of the great voices of rock and roll (and I would vote that he does), it is also true that he is all but nothing without Journey's songs and musicians. (Given a different history, he MAY have been the leader of someone else's band, but that didn't happen.)

My verdict: Journey in its more-or-less original form--with Perry as lead singer--is worthy of the Hall, Steve Perry as a soloist--for all his virtue--is not. Just my opinion.

Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 01.27.10 @ 10:24am


Street Talk (which I knew and liked before Journey), with other musicians went multi-platinum without the Journey musicians, and the Journey musicians never went anywhere without Steve Perry, so seems kinda vice/versa.

It's outside of my imagination for Journey, with their constant mocking and mimicking after Perry, getting into that Hall, maybe some other hall with which I'm not familiar.

I was reading Rolling Stone's recent review of Allison's(sp)CD, girl from Idol, and it referenced her trying to sound like Pink which was too obvious.

By the way, weren't Journey nominated for induction in 2007 for '08 and 2008 for '09?

Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 01.30.10 @ 17:51pm


"It's outside of my imagination for Journey, with their constant mocking and mimicking after Perry, getting into that Hall"

That's because you're not thinking like the Hall people do.

To induct Journey would be to induct the band for all the output they made under the name "Journey"... whether Steve Perry sang lead on it or not.

To induct Steve Perry only would be to induct JUST Steve Perry for the output he made as credited to "Steve Perry"... where the artist of credit is "Steve Perry"... If Steve Perry is inducted without Journey, it'd be because of songs like Oh Sherrie and Foolish Heart.... NOT because of Wheel In The Sky, Lights, Faithfully, Open Arms... those songs that he recorded with Journey mean NOTHING towards the worthiness of Steve Perry being inducted as just "Steve Perry" and not as a member of "Journey". Does this make sense to you? THIS is how the Hall operates. It used to be otherwise (see Smokey Robinson and Hank Ballard), but they've since stopped doing in this way. To induct just Steve Perry and leave the rest of the band out would be because of songs where the artist of credit on the record is "Steve Perry" and NOT "Journey."

I don't know if I can make it any plainer than that.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 01.30.10 @ 19:35pm


Is he a good singer...no doubt, but to refer to him as "the Voice" one would have to be a pretty big fan. No one I know refers to him as that. In the large scope of popular music, his solo career was mediocre at best. Geez, Michael Bolton had "multi-platinum" albums, too. Also, isn't it funny how Journey was able to find a singer who sounds exactly like him...seeing how his voice is so "unique" and all...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 01.25.10 @ 19:29pm

No, it isn't funny but rather sickly, I think, that a band would be so desperate and unable to move forward (although their heydays are behind) without trying to constantly echo the sound of its former frontman. Pineda hardly has that unique voice of Perry, but guess what; if you spend an infinity imitating and/or mimicking other artist, I guess you're bound to come close.

As one of Pineda's fan said:
"We used to have American bases as well so to keep the American servicemen entertained, Pinoy bands had to cover a lot of American artists. They say that Pinoys got good at copying that they even copy the mistakes of some foreign artists. Some Pinoys are quite proud that we can almost cover anything." 9/09

Maybe Journey could have just put an ad in the paper rather than hanging out on youtube.

Maybe he should try being himself or maybe not?
"Pineda has been the linchpin of Journey's resurgence thanks to a voice that echoes that of former lead singer Steve Perry, but Pineda has increasingly become his own man. He's no longer imitating Perry but singing in his naturally lower register with cannon-like power. In fact, he was almost too powerful at times, skipping subtlety altogether and simply pegging the meters. Neal Schon was sometimes guilty of the same on guitar." 8/09 Freedom Hall

Maybe some of those words uneased him and he went back to trying to ape Perry because that 9/09 review posted above said "he was rarely his own singer."

I like Michael Bolton.

Do hope Steve Perry gets in!


Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 01.30.10 @ 20:01pm


S L Ballard

If I had a choice between Perry or Mose Alison it would be Mose...Peggy Lee or Perry it would be Peggy..Leon Russle or Perry ,Leon ,Joe Cocker OR PERRY ....COCKER ALL THE TIME...ETC ETC..I just don't see him in...... He is good but so are many folks in some church choirs.. Heck many of them are better...But if you like him so be it.. can't blame ya...

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 01.30.10 @ 20:45pm


My concern is if perrys new album will be coming out in 2010 and will he tour. My comment is for the Arnel fan, Arnel does not sound like perry at all, and he also has a accent on alot of the perry/caine songs he sings. Neal made arnel sing in a lower range to save his voice because of the strain it put on perrys. Arnel cant hold a note as long, and there are certain songs he cant sing with them because of the range in vocals.To the person who said they are selling out concert halls this summer! You forget Journey was touring with 3 other bands, and also there were many different bands at these festivals they played at. People were there to see other bands not just journey, so to say the crowds were there just for Journey are false. Journey back in the 80's filled stadiums on their own! My daughter went to Bamboozle last year where there were a hundred different bands and journey showed up as a surprise, She said the mothers all went running and some of the younger people were saying who the hell are they! So you see yes huge places are filled but its not just for Journey and they try to make it sound like it is!!! I will be happy with Steve inducted either way, with journey or on his own. Like Bon Jovi said the man is the voice!!!

Posted by cutlets29 on Tuesday, 02.2.10 @ 11:23am


If you're going to do drugs that are that good, at least share! Pineda sounds about as close to exactly like Perry as I can imagine. add that to the fact (you're familiar with that word, right?) that he has to hold those notes just as long to be effective singing those songs. Also, he doesn't sing them in a lower range...could it be that you're totally tone deaf????

As to your question about him posssibly touring this year, it's simple...

"WHO CARES????"

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 02.2.10 @ 18:42pm


Steve Perry's voice in one in a million-you only need to have witnessed his live vocal performances-many of which, were off the charts, particularly those performances from 1979-1981, when he was at his peak. Although, his vocal range and prowess is in a class by itself; Steve also brought success to Journey via his songwriting, producing, mixing and musicianship. Starting out as a drummer and learning bass and keyboards, Steve had a mission and vision for Journey and himself. What Steve was able to accomplish with Journey during his 10 years with the band and as a solo artist is astounding. One only has to look at how many of todays' television shows and movies are continuing the legacy of Journey to realize the impact that Steve has left musically on generations of fans throughout the world. Steve's voice and songs evoke emotion and inspiration. For those of us who were along for the ride of what was Journey with Steve Perry, we thank him for sharing his unique talents with us and for providing inspiration and hope to so many. Steve, a student of so many Motown, R & B and Rock N Roll deserves to be in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame for his unwaivering commitment to music and his many contributions.

Posted by Joan on Tuesday, 02.9.10 @ 22:43pm


I think what Gitarzan, Philip and Dameon are trying to say is that you lot need a lot more than you're coming up with now. Perry does have a good voice (NOT the greatest singer, not even close), but there are plenty of even better singers not yet in the Hall, and it takes more than just his music playing the first time a guy seduced you. I haven't heard his solo work so I can't comment on the innovation factor, but I am not aware of much influence. If it's not innovative then I'll say no way. Maybe you could make a small case for Journey, though.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 02.19.10 @ 16:40pm


If you're going to do drugs that are that good, at least share! Pineda sounds about as close to exactly like Perry as I can imagine. add that to the fact (you're familiar with that word, right?) that he has to hold those notes just as long to be effective singing those songs. Also, he doesn't sing them in a lower range...could it be that you're totally tone deaf????

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 02.2.10 @ 18:42pm
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I guess that person isn't the only one tone deaf and maybe you should share? Seems detuning and range were the big discussions at one point:

"Thanks for the updates. It looks like they are still down a half step. I find it interesting that the only gig they do in the original key is the one being recorded." 8/09

"Not to rehash the issue, but nobody, probably, nobody can run that tour schedule with that catalog and have their voice hold up over the long term, in original key. The fact that there are not many singers who can handle the Journey book makes it pretty slim pickins for any replacement singers beyond Perry. I agree on this; tuning down is not the answer, they need to seriously cut back on the number of gigs they are playing and schedule more off time." 8/09

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"I think journey is just fine with 2 singers. Cause Dean has got the range but lacks the power, Arnel lacks the range a bit but has great power." 1/2020

"Perry has both." 1/2010

"Their drummer is an insane singer, sounds more like Perry than Arnel actually and probably close in terms of skill. I saw them live about four years ago." 1/2010

"No way do either of those cats top Perry, thats for sure." 1/2010

Would be nice if Steve Perry got in.





Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 02.20.10 @ 16:56pm


First of all, "tuning down a half step" means you're singing in a different key, NOT that Perry's range was that superior (which Perry never demonstrated any great range).

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 02.20.10 @ 17:22pm


...second of all, Perry was notorious for having "vocal problems", so he obviously couldn't handle the touring schedule, either. Where do you people get the idea that Perry's vocal talent is so head & shoulders above everybody? "Handling the Journey catalog" simply means it would be a good idea to sound like him a bit...

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 02.20.10 @ 17:50pm


Could Steve Perry sing Queen (do "Somebody to Love", "Tie Your Mother Down", "Bohemian Rhapsody", "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" and "Stone Cold Crazy" in one set) and pull all of it off? Is he powerful enough to sing Deep Purple (those screams are difficult) or soulful enough to sing soul and funk-influenced Deep Purple ("Mistreated")? Aerosmith? Black Sabbath? Ray Charles? Johnny Cash? A singer who really is head and shoulders above the rest should be versatile and be able to sing anything well.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 02.21.10 @ 16:49pm


...second of all, Perry was notorious for having "vocal problems", so he obviously couldn't handle the touring schedule, either. Where do you people get the idea that Perry's vocal talent is so head & shoulders above everybody? "Handling the Journey catalog" simply means it would be a good idea to sound like him a bit...

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 02.20.10 @ 17:50pm


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You must be talking about a different Perry? I take it you don't like Perry? Not that anyone is saying he's so head and above the rest, but think maybe you're trying to move him down way way below the rest? Steve Perry is a great singer with great technical skills ("Perry's ridiculous control" 2/10, as in exceptional). Handling the catalog means doing so w/o voice going south...when trying to sing like Perry did.

That site reviewing and ranking had him listed as number 1 and with updates so far he's holding his own at number 1 still. Was said that Perry was "awesome" live and made 90% of songs better live and held up better thru-out shows. MOST of them just LOVE LOVE Mercury and look where he is placed. Difficulty of material, ability to improvise, stay on pitch, disparity between recording and live, etc. were considered.

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:32 am Post Subject: Greatest Live Rock Vocalist (not performer)

1. Steve Perry (Journey, Solo)
2. John Farnham
3. Jackie Wilson
4. Stevie Wonder
5. Ronnie James Dio
6. Roger Daltrey
7. Freddie Mercury
8. Ian Gillan
9. Jeff Buckley
10. Rob Halford

"oh and steve perry owns everyone.......the easiest number 1 to decide" in history" 8/09

Also Perry's range is around some of the others and so far he is holding his own at #4 on the Technical list. RS Top 100 list made reference to his high notes and that "now you can't deny his pure tone and passion."

I believe your site lists other types of entries other than just recordings,etc.? Anyway, would be nice to see him in there!







Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 03.3.10 @ 21:34pm


That list is about as stupid and meaningless as Rolling Stone's "100 greatest guitar players". All you have to do is listen to Perry and know his range isn't all that great. Also, any list that leaves Elvis Presley off...let alone not being number one...is just plain stupid.

Elvis and Freddie Mercury would've both blown Perry off of a stage...as mrxyz would so eloquently put it...

"All ya need are ears!!!!"

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 03.3.10 @ 23:13pm


"MOST of them just LOVE LOVE Mercury and look where he is placed. Difficulty of material, ability to improvise, stay on pitch, disparity between recording and live, etc. were considered." I'd like to know what site did this list, because it's widely recognized (and I agree) that Queen were a brilliant live act, and a large part of that had to do with Freddie. As I said, Queen experimented with many different styles such as opera ("Bohemian Rhapsody", metal (well, "Stone Cold Crazy" is close enough to metal and is considered by some the first thrash song), hard rock ("Fat Bottomed Girls", "Keep Yourself Alive", "Tie Your Mother Down", disco ("Another One Bites the Dust", rockabilly/Elvis type stuff ("Crazy Little Thing Called Love", ballads ("Somebody to Love"), and Freddie handled all of it easily. He was about equal with Perry in technical ability (since you talked about soaring high notes, check out that one high note in "Under Pressure" and how long he holds it; astonishing), definitely beats him in power, and since we're talking about holding the catalog live without going south: For most of 1974-85 Queen were either in the studio or on tour. As follows:

Sheer Heart Attack Tour: 10 October 1974-19 November 1975, 77 shows through Europe, North America and Japan. While this was going on A Night at the Opera was recorded.

A Night at the Opera Tour: November 21, 1975 to September 18, 1976. 78 shows through Europe, the US, Japan and Australia. Two days after the first tour ended another began. Then to the studio.

A Day at the Races tour: Jan. 13 1977-June 7 1977. 59 shows through Europe and North America. Then into the studio from July to September.

News of the World Tour: Oct. 6 1977-May 13 1978. 46 shows through the US, Canada and Europe. Two months of rest, then into the studio from July-Oct.

Jazz Tour: Oct. 28 1978-Aug. 18 1979. 79 shows through the US, Canada, Europe and Japan (stopped touring in May, were in the studio for June and July, then played the final show on Aug. 18).

Crazy Tour: Nov. 22-Dec.26 '79. 1 show in Dublin, two shows in Glasgow, and 17 shows in England. Played smaller venues.

The Game Tour: 30 June 1980-25 Nov. 1981. 83 shows through Canada, US, Europe, Mexico, Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina and Japan (1 show.) In the studio Oct.-Nov. 1980, June-July 1981, December '81-March '82.

Hot Space Tour: 69 shows from April 9-Nov. 3 1982.
In the studio from Aug. 1983-Jan. 1984.

The Works Tour: Aug. 24 '84-May 15 1985. 48 shows
In the studio Nov. '85-April 1986

Magic Tour: 7 June- 9 Aug. 1986. 26 shows through Europe. Final tour due to Freddie's illness. 3 more albums after that.

Through all of that touring, recording and an illness, by all accounts Freddie's voice remained as strong as ever until he died. I would say he's better than Perry, as is Ian Gillan (kind of underrated.) Brad Delp, Ann Wilson, Bruce Dickinson and Rob Halford are also singers I'd say who are better.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 03.4.10 @ 18:40pm


Sam...I agree with you on Mercury. A lot of people have lost sight of the younger Elvis, but if you were to listen to "Jailhouse Rock", "Hound Dog", and "A Big Hunk O' Love", and then immediately listen to the likes of "Surrender", Love Me", or "It's Now Or Never" (just to name a few of the many comparisons), THAT'S when you would get a full blast impact of how amazing he really was.

The misconception people get is that I think Perry is a bad singer or I don't like him...which isn't the case. I liked Journey when he was with them, but his solo stuff is absolutely forgettable. Mercury and Presley...Perry couldn't touch either one of them...period.

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 03.4.10 @ 19:03pm


I think Perry is a great singer, and maybe you could make a case for Journey being inducted (though it's a very borderline case) but in no way is he the best singer in rock, not even in the top 10.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 03.5.10 @ 17:18pm


Freddie Mercury simply did not have the octave range that Steve Perry did. Perry didn't have 'vocal problems,' either (although any singer on a long tour is subject to over-straining their vocal cords). From what I understand, he had to stop touring because of knee problems, not his voice.
Also, as people get older (check Pat Benatar or Mariah Carey for examples--neither can hit the high notes they originally could), their vocal cords keep growing, thus deepening and restricting their vocal range--that's just physiology that happens to everyone, singers included.

Posted by Black Cloud on Saturday, 03.6.10 @ 22:51pm


Freddie Mercury could go from a low baritone to about as high of a tenor as you could get without being falsetto (even though he did falsetto a bit on "Under Pressure", for starters)...Steve Perry never demonstrated anything near that. There's been unsubstatiated statements that he was a natural baritone (which he never demonstrated...if he did, give examples) and that he could sing falsetto (once again, not that anyone's familiar with...examples please). I only heard him sing "Tenor Altino"...which would be a very high tenor. Are you people familiar at all with "vocal and octave range"...or what would be required in such a change? Mariah Carey can sing anywhere from low alto to a "whistle register", but I don't necessarily refer to her as a "great singer"...there's more to it than that.

Steve Perry was fine in the confines of Journey...he should've stayed there. If he had this incredible range, he wasted it on those stupid "ballads"when hewent solo...which is why you have trouble even finding his picture on a milk carton...!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 03.7.10 @ 07:21am


To all Steve Perry fans..."vocal range" does NOT include the following;

1) Soft to loud.

Thank you...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 03.7.10 @ 08:29am


I mostly agree with Gitarzan.
He was great in Journey but that is where it began and end...

Posted by mrxyz on Sunday, 03.7.10 @ 08:43am


To all Steve Perry fans..."vocal range" does NOT include the following;

1) Soft to loud.

Thank you...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 03.7.10 @ 08:29am
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No offense, Gitar, but doesn't soft to loud really have to count for something? I mean, I'm only a shower-warbler myself, but from what I understand, the old do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do does have something to do w/moving from soft to loud (I think?). I get pretty decent range in there, if I don't say so myself (& it get's better if I just get a little mildew build-up kick in - it affects the sinuses & let's me hit the deeper bass notes. It's like nature's version of Auto-Tune)

you already know I don't support solo-Perry, but still...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 03.7.10 @ 10:56am


Actually, it's like guitar playing...you can play the same note on an acoustic or plugged into a 100 watt Marshall stack...that's just volume, doesn't have anything to do with "range".

"Shower warbler"...EWWW!!! That's a big TMI alert...!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 03.7.10 @ 11:26am


Rolling Stone Magazine likes Steve Perry. They think he's one of the greatest singers ever, but Steve Perry will never be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for his solo career! Journey will eventually be inducted! You should talk about Steve Perry on the Journey page. Do you talk about Steve Perry here because there is no other place to talk about him and you just want to talk even though you know he will never be inducted?

Steve Perry

THE BILLBOARD 200 ALBUMS CHART

01. 1984 # 12 Street Talk
02. 1994 # 15 For the Love of Strange Medicine

THE BILLBOARD 100 SINGLES CHART

01. 1984 # 18 Foolish Heart
02. 1984 # 03 Oh Sherrie
03. 1984 # 21 She's Mine
04. 1984 # 40 Strung Out
05. 1994 # 74 Missing You
06. 1994 # 29 You Better Wait

That's it!

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 03.7.10 @ 11:53am


"Freddie Mercury simply did not have the octave range that Steve Perry did." Not the same range? Nonsense, they could hit both hit the same level of high-notes.

"Perry didn't have 'vocal problems,' either (although any singer on a long tour is subject to over-straining their vocal cords). From what I understand, he had to stop touring because of knee problems, not his voice." Almost. Perry began to find touring draining in the mid 80's, partially due to stuff in his personal life (he was exhausted, he went through a bad breakup, he had a hard time getting over both that and his mother dying), so he decided in the middle of touring in '88 that he wanted to stop, so Journey disbanded. Journey did their comeback album, were preparing to tour and Perry went hiking up mountains in Central America to get in shape. While climbing one day, he damaged his hip, and needed surgery. He waited a while trying to decide whether to get surgery, but Schon got tired of waiting around for him so they hired someone else and went back to work. Once he was out of the band he had the surgery, and it was succesful, but he's been inactive since.

"Freddie Mercury could go from a low baritone to about as high of a tenor as you could get without being falsetto (even though he did falsetto a bit on "Under Pressure", for starters)...Steve Perry never demonstrated anything near that. There's been unsubstatiated statements that he was a natural baritone (which he never demonstrated...if he did, give examples) and that he could sing falsetto (once again, not that anyone's familiar with...examples please). I only heard him sing "Tenor Altino"...which would be a very high tenor. Are you people familiar at all with "vocal and octave range"...or what would be required in such a change?" No, Gitarzan, I am not. I don't really study music theory, so can you break down this vocab for me?. Ian Gillan of Deep Purple had at his peak more power and a higher range than Perry (I believe those high notes in "Child in Time" are classified as "falsetto."

"Journey will eventually be inducted! You should talk about Steve Perry on the Journey page. Do you talk about Steve Perry here because there is no other place to talk about him and you just want to talk even though you know he will never be inducted?" I suppose they do, Roy. I stumbled upon this site when this madness had been going on for months, and I commented on it when all the crazies had gone. I haven't listened to any of SP's solo work except for "Foolish Hearts", so I can't comment on it's quality. It seems unlikely at this point that Journey will be inducted, as they've been eligible since 2000 and haven't even been considered, and after this year Guns 'n' Roses and Seattle will push them to the side (plus the next major players in alternative and rap.) I don't think they should discuss this on the Journey page, as Perry-era Journey isn't relevant to his solo work, and thus doesn't bolster his cause for induction alone. Maybe you could make a case for Journey, though their overall credentials are borderline. I know you just want us to talk about Chicago instead.


Posted by Sam on Sunday, 03.7.10 @ 14:40pm


What Ian Gillan did in "Child In Time" was definitely falsetto...I'd say his normal singing voice compared favorably to Perry's. A couple of notable singers who sing falsetto a lot would be Barry Gibb and Philip Bailey from Earth, Wind, & Fire. Notable baritones would be Bing Crosby, Tom Jones, and Elvis Presley (especially on some of his earlier ballads).

Now, having given you an idea of these ranges, do you think Perry was anything more than a "tenor"?

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 03.7.10 @ 15:14pm


Here's a good example of Elvis switching from baritone to tenor within the same song...this is from 1956, I believe...just an incredible vocalist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8APTMRfDmKY

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 03.7.10 @ 15:20pm


From listening to the Journey that I've listened to (not much more than the radio hits) and looking up the definition of "tenor" ("high male voice") I'd say just a tenor. Thanks for the Elvis link; very soulful. Ian Gillan's screams were mostly falsetto I'd say, but his regular singing voice was tenor. As for baritone, other notables in that area would be Jim Morrison (such as in "Riders on the Storm", though he was also tenor), Ian Curtis of Joy Division and Johnny Cash. Somebody else mentioned that Randy Jackson said that Robert Plant is the only rock singer that can compare to Perry. I am aware he said that and that he's a judge on a program that judges singers (I, like you, have never really watched AI), but I still don't give that too much consideration because he was a session bassist, not a singer.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 03.8.10 @ 17:21pm


Randy Jackson also played bass for Journey for a while...no bias there, I guess!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 03.8.10 @ 18:28pm


Yeah... A session bassist, actually. Perry had most of the control on the Raised on Radio album, so he had Steve Smith (the drummer) and whoever was playing bass fired and recruited some session players, and Jackson was one of them. Firing people for no reason... what a dick.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 03.9.10 @ 19:30pm


Steve Perry could not have done that without the consent of the others. It was their call too. Keep in mind Steve Perry didn't want that Journey video game, but the others "overruled him." Some things were more important than others.

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 03.10.10 @ 20:18pm


"I'd like to know what site did this list, because it's widely recognized (and I agree) that Queen were a brilliant live act, and a large part of that had to do with Freddie."

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 03.4.10 @ 18:40pm
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Yeah, I guess so but when incredible was brought up, it was said that "perfect is greater than incredible" so guess same applies with brilliant.

"i must say then that hes a master , cause those improvs didnt sound like improvs. since i hadnt heard the studio versions and he did it so perfectly i assumed they were part of the song.
okay , let me rephrase , Perry IS perfect live" 11/09

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 03.10.10 @ 20:57pm


Can you direct me to the site that did that list, S L Ballard? I'm just curious about what else they have to say. I'm talking about the site that did the list of greatest rock singers and put Perry at #1.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 03.11.10 @ 16:57pm


"3/12/2010, 9:06 pm EST

I love Abba, – they deserve to be there!

I hope Rocker Steve Perry is next in line to be inducted.

One of the best singers. Wohoooo!"

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Hey, I agree with this posted at RS on Abba's induction.

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 03.31.10 @ 20:28pm


I'm not really an ABBA fan, and I feel there were plenty of other artists who deserved it more, but they did deserve their induction.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 04.1.10 @ 17:04pm


I read that ABBA was offered a billion to reunite. If that's so, was anyone other artist offered that?

Looking at some of the people inducted, if Steve Perry had continued, he would have had as much or more chance than they. Guess they just toured too much...

And Sam, I disagree with your statement on the Journey board about no influence. Who has more tribute bands out there, trying to sing like Perry, than Journey, including Journey? Plus Rob Thomas, Chris Daughtry and Chad Kroeger are listed at RS Top 100 Singers as Perry influenced. And I agree with this post:

"March 25, 2010 10:33 PM EST
Steve Perry should be in the top 10. His range, passion, vocals have never been matched. He has reached a whole new generation with his songs and that Voice. Young kids are singing and downloading his song with him in the lead. WIll he ever get the credit he deserves?"




Posted by S L Ballard on Friday, 04.2.10 @ 22:37pm


The ABBA thing is true, but Agnetha doesn't like flying, and Benny and Bjorn have both said that they want to be remembered for being young and youthful, so a reunion will never happen.

It's possible that those guys listened to Perry and decided they wanted to be singers (in the same way that SP listened to Sam Cooke and decided he wanted to sing), but I don't hear any of Perry in Rob Thomas or Chad Kroeger. I haven't listened to Daughtry. I also disputed the idea that Journey... never mind, anything Journey did isn't relevant to Steve Perry's solo career. I'm sure he has some influence, as does Journey (any popular artist has to at least have a bit of influence), I just feel both are lacking in the innovation and Impact/Perpetuation departments.

"March 25, 2010 10:33 PM EST
Steve Perry should be in the top 10. His range, passion, vocals have never been matched. He has reached a whole new generation with his songs and that Voice. Young kids are singing and downloading his song with him in the lead. WIll he ever get the credit he deserves?"

That list had a diverse group of people involved, which is why you have Neil Young, Kurt Cobain, Jim Morrison and Bob Dylan (guys who can't, or couldn't, sing that well, but have/had the ability to make their vocals work well and deliver emotion within the context of their songs) together with soul singers, the guys in rock with the huge ranges, and pop singers.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 04.3.10 @ 18:02pm


The Voice is legend with or without R&R HoF.

Posted by Perrygodmother on Sunday, 04.4.10 @ 19:53pm


"It's possible that those guys listened to Perry and decided they wanted to be singers (in the same way that SP listened to Sam Cooke and decided he wanted to sing), but I don't hear any of Perry in Rob Thomas or Chad Kroeger. I haven't listened to Daughtry. I also disputed the idea that Journey... never mind, anything Journey did isn't relevant to Steve Perry's solo career. I'm sure he has some influence, as does Journey (any popular artist has to at least have a bit of influence), I just feel both are lacking in the innovation and Impact/Perpetuation departments."

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 04.3.10 @ 18:02pm
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I beg to differ. I hear Sam Cooke in Perry, with ST and the early Jrny stuff like LTS, Natural Girl.. ("With an operatic voice that always straddled Sam Cooke and hard rock" 11/94). Then Perry went to a different voice with Escape...

Do you hear Temptations in Hall and Oates or in Rod Stewart, who says was influenced by them? Michael Jackson sounds nothing like James Brown, his influence,and don't think Usher sounds anything like Michael Jackson, his influence. So why does Perry's influence have to sound like him?

"Split in 82 but music lives on." (RS 1/10) So does Steve Perry's music. I like Abba but what's their influence and innovation? They only sold 10 million records here.

"Stooges influenced everyone from Bowie to White Stripes but never had a hit." (RS 1/10) Who heard them and is anyone listening now?

I think revisions should be made to include fans not just artist influenced, and Steve Perry, even with Jrny stuff, probably would be in there:

"Supervisor refuses to let sky fall in address: Township Supervisor Tracey Schultz Kobylarz and Journey's Steve Perry have something in common — they 'don't stop believin'. “Let's face it, we are faced with serious budget issues, the worst we've ever seen,” she said. “... But we will make the decisions that best support this community. I have no doubt... Kobylarz strode from the podium to the dulcet tones of Steve Perry." HomeTownlife 3/10

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 04.4.10 @ 20:13pm


Don't comment on SP after Journey unless you have listened to his solo Street Talk cd. or Steve Perry Greatest hits.

"Foolish Heart", "Strung Out, "Against the Wall"

He isn't called "the Voice" for no reason.

Posted by Virginia on Monday, 04.5.10 @ 18:30pm


"Steve Perry's Greatest Hit(s)"...would that happen to be a single? Devo had an album called "Devo's Greatest Misses"...maybe Perry should try that...there'd be more songs on it...!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 04.5.10 @ 20:43pm


"I like Abba but what's their influence and innovation? They only sold 10 million records here."

Yes but they sold 7 million more in the UK (where I come from), and 300 million worldwide. There are plenty of people upset about ABBA's induction, but it's not relevant to other artists. Just focus on your cause for Steve. I thought Percy Sledge was a horrible pick, but I ignore that when I'm campaigning for Deep Purple and T. Rex.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 04.6.10 @ 20:01pm


I realized, S L Ballard, that I didn't respond to the rest of your points. My apologies

"I think revisions should be made to include fans not just artist influenced, and Steve Perry, even with Jrny stuff, probably would be in there:"

They gave us British fans a chance to make our opinions clear, for one part of the UK Music Hall of Fame. The industry people in charge of it nominated ten artists from the 50's, ten from the 60's, ten from the 70's, ten from the 80's and ten from the 90's and asked the public to vote for one from each decade. The winner from the 50's: Our fellow countrymen, Cliff Richard and the Shadows. I've never listened to him/them, and it might be stretching to say he/they are more important than Chuck Berry, Johnny Cash and Little Richard, but oh well. 60's winner: The Rolling Stones. Good choice. 70's winner: Queen. Not the most important artist of those ten, but still deserving. 80's winner: Michael Jackson. He's not the one on that list I would have voted for, but again, still deserving. In the 90's, however, both sides made a mess of things. The artist from the 90's? Robbie F#cking Williams. I know you Americans have never heard of him, and that's okay. Yes, apparently Robbie Williams is more important to 90's music than Blur, Oasis, Radiohead and Nirvana. Though how he made it onto that list above Suede, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Megadeth... I could keep going. And have you seen both the songs that make those VH1 lists and how the fans decide to order those songs? So, maybe critical acclaim isn't as good as they say it is, but I'll take it over fan approval because more of the critics have studied the industry and thus notice bands that most fans miss.

"Stooges influenced everyone from Bowie to White Stripes but never had a hit." (RS 1/10) Who heard them and is anyone listening now? - S L Ballard

Welll, it would appear Bowie and The White Stripes heard them, and since Billie Joe Armstrong inducted them into the Hall and they made the Hall, it would appear some people are still listening to them. And fans and musicians have commented on them being passed over so many times for years now. And for the encore of their final show before they broke up in '79 The Sex Pistols played "No Fun", so it would appear some people were listening back in the day. No offense if I sound condescending, because I'm not trying to be.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 04.7.10 @ 17:21pm


"I think the Tom Jones fans mentored their granddaughers who are Backstreet Boy fans who in turn pushed the lever on their Mums who are Steve Perry fanatics." - Dameon

In turn, they also gave a good education to their younger siblings (Jonas Brothers fans), their cousins (Britney Spears fans), and their Aunts (New Kids on the Block fans.) The Perry and New Kids fans in turn forced themselves on their relatives (Bon Jovi fans.) Don't take it personally, it's just an observation.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 04.11.10 @ 18:55pm


doesn't say much about the RRHOF that he isn't already inducated. He's "The Voice" and that sums it all up. No one has the soulful, intensity of Perry and what he can do with his voice borders on amazing. Journey was stupid to let him go. He should have been a solo act from the beginning anyway. Journey really held him back.

Posted by Suzy on Monday, 04.12.10 @ 19:19pm


Suzy...you're like, joking...right??? Where do you people get off calling him "The Voice", anyway? I mean, he's a good singer, but he's really nothing unique or special (there's a whole lot of singers who are instantly recognizable...see Michael Bolton, Boy George, etc...). Saying that Journey "held him back" is laughable...his solo career was nothing...period.

As of right now, you can't even find him on the side of a milk carton...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 04.12.10 @ 19:30pm


I second what Gitarzan said!

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 04.12.10 @ 19:53pm


Steve Perry had success with his solo career unfortunately 600 + Journey shows had probably taken their toll on him and seemingly unable to continue pursuing his solo career. He is "The Voice" and always will be.

"Rock's Biggest Quitters: 20 Musicians Who Walked Away From Fame
Steve Perry led Journey from 1978 until he and the band went their "separate ways" in 1987. Despite early solo success with 'Oh Sherrie,' by 1995 he was ready to resume knocking out power ballads with his former bandmates. Perry retuned to the sidelines after a 1998 hip injury" AOL/Spinner 10/09

"Perry may just have the best voice in rock today, a full resounding tenor that can jump from octave to octave (especially notable in "Don't Stop Believin,'" the band's classic song). His voice is effortless, almost seamless. But that doesn't seem to impress him. He did a non-stop show, darting from side to side, remembering to reach out to those behind the stage, sparking up enough energy to light up Summit County for a week." Cleveland 10/86
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Here we go, again!

"Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:32 am Post subject: 100 Greatest Live Vocalist

1. Steve Perry (Journey, Solo)
2. John Farnham
3. Jackie Wilson
4. Stevie Wonder
5. Ronnie James Dio
6. Roger Daltrey
7. Freddie Mercury
8. Ian Gillan
9. Jeff Buckley
10. Rob Halford
11. Robert Plant
12. Adam Lambert
13. Tim Buckley
14. Elvis Presely
15. Roy Orbison
16. Michael Kiske
17. Geoff Tate
18. Chris Cornell
19. Bruce Dickinson
20. Glenn Hughes

This list is based on the following criteria:
Ability to stay on-pitch.
-The difficulty of the material that is attempted.
-How long their careers have/had produced impressive Live material.
-Ability to improvise.
-According to all of the Vocal criteria, how big the disparity is between Studio Recordings and Live performances.
-Reputation / acclaim as a Live vocalist."



Posted by S L Ballard on Monday, 04.12.10 @ 22:32pm


Adam Lambert?! That's ridiculous. The guy's only just begun a "Rock" career, and someone's already calling him one of the best singers? Preposterous. He's listed but not Steven Tyler, Axl Rose, Bon Scott, Brian Johnson, Paul Rodgers and David Coverdale? And ahead of Bruce Dickinson and Chris Cornell? Who the hell made that list? (I am not knocking Perry, I am just knocking the ridiculous notion that Lambert deserves a place this soon? They have him but not Ann Wilson?

"doesn't say much about the RRHOF that he isn't already inducated." - Suzy

The RRRHOF is a joke at the moment regardless of what they do or don't do; their Definitive 200 paints an awful picture of what the Hall will look like in 20 years.

"He's 'The Voice' and that sums it all up." - Suzy

I disagree, and great voices have been done before. I respectfully disagree with you and SL.

"No one has the soulful, intensity of Perry and what he can do with his voice borders on amazing." He can hit some high notes, certainly, but what's really amazing for me is Freddie Mercury's ability to move between styles and still have great vocals. Or how well Paul Rodgers' voice has held up.
"Journey was stupid to let him go. He should have been a solo act from the beginning anyway." He was in a band before Journey which didn't go anywhere, and he had given up on the business but his mother persuaded him to stick with it, and then Herbie Herbert found him. And really, he was jerking Journey around by not making a decision on surgery. They wanted to tour, and they got tired of waiting for him to make a decision.

"Journey really held him back." If anything, Neal Schon held himself back in Journey. He's a fine guitarist, but in other environments he could've played even better guitar.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 04.13.10 @ 16:49pm


Here's where Steve charted in a fully "Rock" poll:

http://www.thehighwaystar.com/thsblog/2009/01/04/top-40-singers-in-rock/

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 04.13.10 @ 16:52pm


I beg to differ Sam.

"Rock" poll. What was the criteria?

I'll go with the well-thought out, analyzed list that I posted. Like Ann Wilson too and there was a debate on same or separate list for the lady rockers.

"Journey really held him back." If anything, Neal Schon held himself back in Journey. He's a fine guitarist, but in other environments he could've played even better guitar."

Journey existed 5 years (73-77) before Steve Perry joined and that so called "fine guitarist" didn't seem to get too far with what they were doing or trying to do. That "fine guitarist" has done lots of solo stuff but have you heard about it? That "fine guitarist" that started at 14 with Santana is not even listed in RS Top 100 Guitarist List.

Steve Perry's band Alien Project (deciding on name Street Talk maybe) was about to be signed when its bass player was killed on 4th of July in a car accident. Perry was so dejected and thought of giving up, not replacing him like that guitar player keeps replacing everyone. Columbia told HH of Perry and he persuaded him to try it.

"And really, he was jerking Journey around by not making a decision on surgery. They wanted to tour, and they got tired of waiting for him to make a decision."

Don't think anyone should have surgery forcibly. Couldn't wait forever for him, but why call him up on phone and tell him they were trying out singers (GQ 6/08). How was he to feel going back after that.

Adam Lambert graced the cover of Rolling Stone and right now that "just begun Rock career" Lambert is coaching (1st ever) Idol contestants and will sing tomorrow. Tuned in, probably like many, just to see him.

Would be nice if Steve Perry got in.


Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 04.13.10 @ 19:42pm


Let's put it this way...Neal Schon is a much better guitarist than Perry is a singer. Yes, he did play with Santana at an early age, was requested by Clapton to join Derek & the Dominos (which he declined to stay with Santana), and was every bit the driving force behind Journey that Perry was. As for that RS "100 greatest players" list...let's just say it's the biggest crock of crap I've ever seen since I've been playing, a true insult to anyone who's ever picked up the instrument.

As for Adam Lambert, let's just hope his 15 minutes are up...SOON!!!! Anyone who bolsters anyone involved with that trumped up "Gong Show" loses credibility with me...

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 04.13.10 @ 20:49pm


"Rock" poll. What was the criteria? - S L Ballard

Unfortunately, the link to the Planet Rock site is gone so I don't know. It was compiled "by the Station's DJ's, and listeners with the help of musicians, rock critics and experts such as Black Sabbath’s Tony Iommi, Phil Manzanera from Roxy Music, Ian Anderson from Jethro Tull and Led Zeppelin biographer Mick Wall." (Mick Wall is also a critic, and PR is a UK station, which explains why there's a slightly more British slant to it.) I agree the list wasn't perfect, but it was interesting to see opinions from a fully "guitar music" perspective.

That "fine guitarist" has done lots of solo stuff but have you heard about it? - S L Ballard.

No, I haven't, and with all due respect, I don't look to sales to determine quality (though I do have sales as part of my induction criteria, but only after the 3 I's.)

That "fine guitarist" that started at 14 with Santana is not even listed in RS Top 100 Guitarist List. - S L Ballard

That list had kind of a fuzzy criteria, seeing as the diversity they had on it. As Gitarzan said, it sucked (though with all due respect, I've never touched a guitar.) I love Kurt Cobain, but... ahead of Eddie Van Halen, Jeff Beck, Brian May, Joe Perry, Randy Rhoads, Ritchie Blackmore, Carlos Santana... God. And him, Johnny Ramone and Jack White ahead of Mark Knopfler, David Gilmour, Tony Iommi, Angus Young and Kim Thayil (Joan Jett ahead of the latter two, though I love her as well.) In comparison to those guys: Where are Glenn Tipton & KK Downing, Dave Murray & Adrian Smith, Gary Moore, Mike McCready, Jerry Cantrell, Brian Robertson & Scott Gorham, I could keep going. You'll have to ask Gitarzan what gripes he has with it.

"Steve Perry's band Alien Project (deciding on name Street Talk maybe) was about to be signed when its bass player was killed on 4th of July in a car accident. Perry was so dejected and thought of giving up, not replacing him like that guitar player keeps replacing everyone. Columbia told HH of Perry and he persuaded him to try it." Didn't know that. Thanks for correcting me.

"Don't think anyone should have surgery forcibly. Couldn't wait forever for him, but why call him up on phone and tell him they were trying out singers (GQ 6/08). How was he to feel going back after that." Schon and Cain did wait, but eventually Schon got tired of waiting and looked for someone else. I didn't know that they called him to tell him they were trying out singers. That's definitely a dick move. I would, however, say that Perry is a slightly better singer than Schon is a guitarist, though they're both talented (sorry, Gitar.) And thank God Journey fans haven't started calling Schon "The Guitar"... to do so would be to indicate that they haven't given Ritchie Blackmore, Brian May or Jeff Beck a proper listen.

Support Joy Division, Deep Purple and Alice Cooper in 2010!

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 04.15.10 @ 19:12pm


"Let's put it this way...Neal Schon is a much better guitarist than Perry is a singer. Yes, he did play with Santana at an early age, was requested by Clapton to join Derek & the Dominos (which he declined to stay with Santana), and was every bit the driving force behind Journey that Perry was. As for that RS "100 greatest players" list...let's just say it's the biggest crock of crap I've ever seen since I've been playing, a true insult to anyone who's ever picked up the instrument" Gitarzin
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I'll say Perry is a MUCH better singer than Schon is a guitar player.

First time went to see AP with Journey and came away a Heart fan. Second time went to see Heart. Journey had even more solos, songs were unrecognizable. So let's put it this way...it appears that not too many were into all that soloing from 73-77 and seems not much has changed. I believe Journey is mostly "90% about The Voice"?

"Neal Schon wrote:
I would like the people that are writing there are to many solos to put your self in my (our) shoes and try playing the same thing every-night since the late 70's and keep it up.... Just tryin to spice things up AND give Arnel a little break vocally. Sorry but if you want to hear everything exactly like the record, then please by all means , listen to the record.
I am a very old schooled musician weened on Zep , Hendrix , Who, Cream and blues. To stay interested I need to stretch and take some chances live. It's called playing for real
Thanks for hearing me out." 8/09

"The best musician on stage was Deen Castronovo on drums, he was incredible. They used to be a vocal group with a phenomenal lead, they are now an instrumental group with backup vocals. Love their music but would not go to see them again." TM 8/09

"I was pleasantly surprised by the voice of the new lead singer for Journey. If I closed my eyes I could almost imagine it was Steve Perry singing." TM 10/09

And Sam, the Greatest Live Vocalist list I posted is singing wise only, not showman, genre, etc. It's who performed consistently according to that outlined criteria. Those guys seem to have seen most of the performers live, but yet go round and round watching videos, and debating. Jackie Wilson and John Farnham seem to have been maybe the only challenges to Perry.

Adam Lambert sang last night on AI, and he was AWESOME - bonafide rockstar. Really lit up the stage.

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 04.15.10 @ 21:34pm


Well, most great players won't play a solo the same way twice...variations of it, maybe, but rarely note for note. As with any "list", anyone calling Perry the "greatest live vocalist" is being purely subjective, and any list that has Mercury and Presley anywhere but in the top three is utterly ridiculous...a list done by someone who obviously never had the privilege of seeing either of them live (which I was fortunate enough to witness). I also saw Perry live...and he paled in comparison. A lasting tribute to them would be the fact that no matter what they were going through, particularly toward the end of their lives, their voices never failed them. Walk up to almost anyone at any age and ask them if they know who Elvis was...the response will astound you. There's a reason for that. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone on the street today who could even tell you who the lead singer of Journey was...and mentioning Steve Perry would draw a blank look from most anyone under thirty.

Furthermore, Adam Lambert doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with most of those singers...and that would probably include Perry. What are you going to do next, compare him to Caruso...????

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 04.15.10 @ 22:46pm


Another point of interest on that stupid list is placing John Farnham at number two...are we talking about his prowess purely as a "pop singer"...or are we talking about his ability as a Broadway musical performer???? We're talking about two different things here, and if that were the case, then where's Michael Crawford on this list...who coincidently could blow Farnham off the stage...purely as a "live vocalist'????

That list is just so much rubbish...!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 04.15.10 @ 23:28pm


...taking that into consideration, who's a better "live vocalist" than Perry? Try anyone who's performed the lead role of "Phantom" on the London or Broadway stage...for starters!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 04.15.10 @ 23:33pm


As said before, the ones putting that list together, LOVE LOVE LOVE MERCURY AND THE SAME WITH ELVIS. Look at the criteria, they felt Perry was the best accordingly. With all due respect, that list has nothing to do with shaking your tootsie.

With all due respect, never followed, but think London or Broadway stage the couple of videos seen of Mercury, kinda over the top performance singing. Kinda like subtlety - Perry singing Faithfully in '86 - "smile for me Philadelphia."

"A lasting tribute to them would be the fact that no matter what they were going through, particularly toward the end of their lives, their voices never failed them."

You could call that statement subjective too. And of course Perry is not as known, but that doesn't make him lesser than they.
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"Well, most great players won't play a solo the same way twice...variations of it, maybe, but rarely note for note."

Well, guess there is a bit of a problem if people want to recognize the songs and not hear a bunch solos. Heart knows how to deliver on that.
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"Furthermore, Adam Lambert doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with most of those singers...and that would probably include Perry. What are you going to do next, compare him to Caruso...????" Gitarzin

Numbers speak!
"4/15/10, 8:30 am EST RS
After American Idol viewers cast 34 million votes — the most so far this season notably came with Adam Lambert’s return to the show this week."
"Lambert strove to keep the focus on his vocals, stretching the song’s intro elaborately and concluding on one of his signature pitch-shifting screams. (The AMAs, this was not.)"
Ditto!
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Posted by S L Ballard on Friday, 04.16.10 @ 19:44pm


"First time went to see AP with Journey and came away a Heart fan. Second time went to see Heart. Journey had even more solos, songs were unrecognizable." - S L Ballard

Well, it's true that after a while it may become just like listening to the songs at home. On the other hand, you have to be careful with soloing, because it can go from interesting to instrumental wankery (which is why because occasionally The Song Remains The Same becomes boring b/c of Page's endless soloing.) And yeah, Heart's best stuff>Journey

"Who has more tribute bands out there, trying to sing like Perry, than Journey, including Journey?" I believe KISS has the most tribute bands (at least that's what I hear.) Are there any Journey tribute albums out there?

"1. Steve Perry (Journey, Solo)
2. John Farnham
3. Jackie Wilson
4. Stevie Wonder
5. Ronnie James Dio
6. Roger Daltrey
7. Freddie Mercury
8. Ian Gillan
9. Jeff Buckley
10. Rob Halford" Halford's, Dio's, and Wonder's voices hold up fairly well all these years later. What about Bruce Dickinson? IM still do lots of touring now (brilliant live band), and though he can't hit the really high notes anymore (see the end of "Run to the Hills" for example,) but I can't blame him because IM are road dogs and other than that he's still singing some difficult material very well. I saw a "Hard Rock Calling" episode which showed Bad Company performing a couple of years ago, and Paul Rodgers' voice still holds up; surely he could make the list?

I'm not sure how well David Coverdale's and Glenn Hughes' voices have held up, but back in the day they were awesome singers (David was taking on Ian Gillan's lead vocal parts, for God's sake), and DC was still awesome in Whitesnake despite false criticisms of being a Robert Plant wannabe and doing lots of stadium and arena touring.

Here, David and Glenn performing at the California Jam in '74, touring in support of the first post-Gillan Deep Purple album, Deep Purple in all their glory. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfzv3bf9-OY

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 04.18.10 @ 17:49pm


Ann Wilson, I forgot. It looks like her voice is holding up well live, and an incredible voice it is. And Gitar: I've never understood octaves (what an octave is). Can you clue in this ignorant, testosterone-charged 20-year old?

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 04.18.10 @ 17:57pm


Sam...in layman's terms, a vocal teacher would establish tessitura (where the student is most comfortable singing), and range would establish how high and low you can go from the tessitura. For males, an octave would mean you can sing the same note in a given range from bass, baritone, tenor, coutertenor, treble (which is usually a pre-puberty term), and falsetto.

Hope that makes sense to you...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 04.18.10 @ 18:54pm


Being a "testosterone charged 20 yr. old" probably means your tessitura would probably be "subwoofer"...ROFL!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 04.18.10 @ 19:00pm


My range would be baritone and bass shouting and snarling, like Ian Curtis :) (though he did do actual singing, though his range was nothing more than baritone and bass.) Like Kurt Cobain, Neil Young, Jim Morrison, Michael Stipe, Johnny Rotten, Bob Dylan, James Hetfield and Lemmy, he couldn't sing well in the strictest sense of the term, but like those guys he figured out how to express himself with what he had. I actually decided years ago I hated having a high speaking voice, so I spoke in lower pitches and now I'm pretty much stuck there in terms of singing as well. Yeah, I think I understand your explanation. Thanks.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 04.19.10 @ 18:25pm


I vote no because I heard Steve is not really a nice person. The word is he doesn't like puppies and kittens. He is a bad man ;-D

Posted by blah-blah-b;ah on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 17:23pm

I could tell instantly that was a joke.

They had a thing on VH1 Classic last night called "One-Hit Wonders: It's the 80's for Sure." There I had my first listen of "Oh Sherrie" (though I was under the impression he was a two-hit wonder, as "Foolish Hearts" was also a hit, though a pretty lame one.) My impressions of OS? I wouldn't call it unlistenable, but I wouldn't care if I never heard it again either (my dad called it "awesomely bad.") He probably should've tried something else if he was trying to show off great vocal ability (which I know he has.)

I even went to All-Music Guide. His followers? Mr. Big and The Mark Allen Band. So much for influence (please note with the Followers bit: It's not always accurate For example, Radiohead is listed as a "follower" of Suede, even though they sound completely different and released their first material at the same time.) It also says that Street Talk "unsurprisingly sounded almost identical to Journey", and they gave For the Love of Strange Medicine two stars out of five, and the review says nothing about it sounding like anything new. I'm even allowed a 30-second preview of each track, and I'm not hearing any innovation. Perpetuation... weren't REO Speedwagon called the kings of the power ballad?

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 04.27.10 @ 18:56pm


I like Oh Sherrie and Foolish Heart and all the songs from his solo albums. They are forever blasting through the airwaves. In fact, knew his solo work before that Journey stuff. And, his solo does not sound like Journey for he was trying different technique and voice. Short but good solo career.

“The main difference between Street Talk and a Journey album is that my songs are more romantic and personal. They have more of the emotionalism that you associate with early Motown songs.” SP.. Rock Mag 8/84

I agree with that.

"Steve Perry also launched a successful side solo career and had a Number Three hit with 1984's "Oh Sherrie" from his double-platinum Street Talk (Number 12).
In 1994 Perry had a hit album with For the Love of Strange Medicine (Number 15, 1994) and a top single, "You Better Wait" (Number Six, 1994)." RS 2001 Ency

Steve Perry is the best and hope he is inducted.

Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 04.27.10 @ 21:06pm


His voice got deeper in the mid 80's, did you notice? His voice changed.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 04.28.10 @ 15:59pm


Of course, they toured excessively and think after Escape tour it had changed (by choice?)when Frontiers '82-83 was recorded, but still great. Although I think his best vocals may have come on Raised on Radio '86 that he produced and lots didn't like (real poppy they say), but IMO Perry vocally at his best "Why Can't This Night Go On Forever."

Perry employed seven different voices:
1 Infinity to Captured '78-80;
2 Escape '80-81,
3 Frontiers '82-83
4 Street Talk '84 - solo
5 ROR '86
6 Strange Med.'94 - solo
7 Trial By Fire '96,
and all are great!

Any other artist change so?

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 04.28.10 @ 19:39pm


James Hetfield, though in the beginning he was a shouter. On Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning he mostly shouted the vocals (he actually tried to get someone else to do the vocals so he could solely focus on songwriting and rhythm guitar; his main choice was John Bush from Armored Saint and Anthrax). There is only one song on those two albums where he actually had to sing. The touring began to shape his voice, so when he sang on Master of Puppets he sounded more natural (his shouting sounded more natural as well.) ...And Justice For All he sounded even more natural, then a two year tour (Metallica arena headliners for the first time.) Then when they smoothed things out for The Black Album he had to learn to sing properly, and none of the songs there have any shouting. A three year tour combined with even more drinking might have ruined his voice, so on subsequent albums he didn't sound as interesting. Ozzy solo these days sounds much different from back in the day (way different from the early Sabbath albums), partially due to the fact that he's taken every substance known to man. Chris Cornell in Audioslave was far less impressive than he was in Soundgarden. Jon Bon Jovi sounds mostly unrecognizable from how he used to sound in the 80's (though he's been singing in lower tones since the late 80's, when he strained his voice.) When I play R.E.M.'s "Murmur" (their first album, which I highly reccomend, as your average mainstream person isn't aware of it; most of them just think of them as just another band with a few hits in the 90's, rather than being the important alternative band that they are) and their latest album "Accelerate" (also reccomended) back to back, you wouldn't know it was the same guy singing. Actually, play "Murmur" and "Automatic For the People" (also recommended) backwards, and you wouldn't know it was the same person. Fortunately, their songs aren't strainful to sing, which is why they're still a fine band. Bono today sounds somewhat different from how he did in the 80's. And how could I forget Vince Neil? In the 80's, though he was untrained, he sounded cool because he was raw and his voice fit the songs. These days, when ever hear the Crue play live it sounds painful. He sounds whiny and skips some words ("Rat tail Jimmy... Second Hand Hood... Hollywood.") Don't do too many substances and keep in practice, that's my advice.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 04.29.10 @ 18:47pm


Have to check out those. Most artists' voices will eventually change. Think I will always like Bon Jovi's voice though. Maybe not as good as it was but seems such feeling still and/or maybe b/c it's Bon Jovi whom everyone likes, right? Saw him on awards while back. To my knowledge, only one mentioned up there that's still filling stadiums, along with Bono. Bon Jovi's "Circle" debut while back at #1 and think so far has sold over 500,000.

The guys at that site seem to like Cornell.

Read that Sammy Hagar? (guy who replaced David Lee Roth)did not tour too often so his voice sounds about the same?

Steve Perry did not do substances. Speaking of "raw", think Perry was kinda an operatic high tenor and it was posted that his not going raw may have contributed to changes. Whatever sense that makes. His voice seemed crystal clear from '78-80. Like Trial By Fire, but his voice had really, understandably,changed by then.

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 04.29.10 @ 22:24pm


"He's all perfection and he's without question, one of the greatest singers to ever walk this earth. There will never be another like him and i always wondered if there would be, now 30 years later i know the answer. But what i have to judge this on is this: The LIVE intro stuff he did to songs in concerts and gigs. That SHIT is downright amazing and impossible to pull off.
Forget any songs on any album, his intro stuff is jaw dropping."
Posted by journey361 on Monday, 05.25.09 @ 15:46pm
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"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVFwRxgfHok – intro"
"I knew you'd give us some more examples besides Houston.
The intro on that second one was just incredible..." 8/09

Strange journey361 would say that, but that intro stuff is what secured his #1 ranking on the 100 Greatest Live Vocalist list posted above.


Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 04.29.10 @ 22:59pm


I tried to watch the clip journey361 posted but it's been taken down. Yeah, Sammy Hagar has a great voice and his sounds about the same. Hetfield, Stipe, and Neil are "character voices" (Hetfield was at least in the 80's.) Not blessed with great talent or range (Neil had some range on the Crue's first two albums, but it was very falsetto and rough), but knew how to express themselves through what they had. Kind of like Kurt Cobain, Joe Strummer, Johnny Rotten, Jim Morrison, Neil Young and Bob Dylan. Stipe actually said on "Seven Ages of Rock": "I was an incredibly shy person who had terrible acne, and used my hair to cover my face. I mumbled when I talked and mumbled when I sang, so I guess all of this came across as some sort of locomotive charisma." Yeah, stadium rock in the US is disappearing (spelling?) for the most part, aside from AC/DC, Bon Jovi, U2 and Metallica, but to me that's not too much of a problem. I've never been to a stadium rock show, but I've seen plenty of shows at clubs (mostly local bands) and I love it. The atmosphere's excellent, and you can really interact with the band. That's why some bands who get big and can move up to the next level don't (The Smiths; they always kept it to small venues even when they were one of the biggest bands in Britain because they didn't want to lose any personal connections with the crowd.) Plenty of Western bands can play stadium shows in Europe and South America and Asia, so it's fine. My dad got to some great shows.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 04.30.10 @ 17:47pm


That clip was posted at that ddd site by those guys that rank the singers, but it seems Sony is pulling down lots of the videos. Journey's Greatest Hits sell extremely well so guess Sony want you to buy not watch on YouTube?

Sammy Hagar's little trial "Chickenfoot" thing has been certified gold. Thought they were just playing around.

"That's why some bands who get big and can move up to the next level don't" Sam

Really?

Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 05.8.10 @ 17:43pm


"The one thing keeping Journey in the discussion for me is the idea that they came up with the stadium rock video screens; I'm going to try and confirm whether they actually did or not. If they did, then we can start with a fresh discussion on whether they deserve it or not."
Posted by Sam on Sunday, 05.2.10 @ 19:10pm - Journey board)
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"Hit Parader, June 1983, Charlton Publications Inc.
With Frontiers nearing the top of the sales charts, and Journey's current world tour breaking attendance records wherever it plays, it seems that all is right with the boys from 'Frisco. They've even started a few side ventures that have yielded big rewards. One of these is designing huge video screens that the band rents out to other groups who are on tour."

Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 05.8.10 @ 18:38pm


Okay. I heard they were even rented to U2 for Zoo TV, which was a groundbreaking tour. So maybe they could be inducted based on that. A fresh discussion is on, then.

"Really?"

Really. The Smiths became one of the biggest bands in Britain, but chose to stick to smaller venues because they wanted to stay intimate with the crowd. Some people just aren't prepared for the stress and responsibilities of stardom; that's probably one of the reasons why Kurt Cobain went the way he did, and also one of the reasons why Syd Barrett went insane.

Support Alice Cooper and Joy Division in 2010!

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 05.9.10 @ 21:41pm


"Some people just aren't prepared for the stress and responsibilities of stardom" Sam

The guy in discussion here may fit into that category.

Posted by S L Ballard on Monday, 05.10.10 @ 04:05am


True. I actually watched Journey's "Behind the Music", and at first he enjoyed the stardom around the time of "Escape." But then, due to various things, he began to feel stressed and exhausted; for example, his mother died, and she was his rock (convinced him to keep trying in the music business which led to him joining Journey.) He began to feel exhausted on the Raised on Radio tour, and halfway through that he decided he wanted to stop, so they disbanded. He was fully ready to get back into it and they had the comeback album recorded when the injury happened. I'm guessing he's ready for retirement since he's been out of the spotlight for so long. (Of course, Herbie Herbert has presented a completely different perspective of things in interviews, having talked about SP as demanding and difficult to work with and blaming him for Street Talk not doing as well as Journey. I guess in the end it's up to the average person to make up their own mind.)

Posted by Sam on Monday, 05.10.10 @ 21:30pm


Wouldn't believe anything Herbie said, for he is just upset because they canned him and his "like a son Neal" did not object, but yet he blames Perry. Think Journey is still with the same management from when they canned Herbie in 96.

They did the first leg of the ROR 86 tour which were about 80+ shows, and Perry said he was "toast." How many more shows were they going to do?

Any artist would want his record to do as well as it possibly could. Seems no one wanted Perry to succeed outside of Journey, and maybe it was a bit late for him to try harder.

Did you read that March 08 interview with Herbie at MR?

"As was previously the case, Steve Perry remains in his sights as the band's number one problem. Why is this so? Well…one interesting comment from Herbie says a lot. In talking about the band, Herbie says: “I would just like to make my living and do what I think I can get done here. So from my point of view that got stopped and mucked up quite a bit. There was no reason for them not to continue in '84, '85, '86. they could have been a polished Grateful Dead and that was my model as a deadhead.”

I believe Herbie's words about himself on that VH1 was that he was "an unabashed capitalist."

Guess Perry finally said no to that excessive touring, and he never did anything legally to stop their touring.

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Doubtful that Ross and Steve would forget Herbie doing this if it was his doing:

"Raised on Radio is when he had me remove Ross Valory and Steve Smith from the band. Of course that was completely ridiculous and I forced him to pay them as if they were there on the tour and everything. There's very little chance that Ross Valory or Steve Smith would remember it let alone reciprocate but that is the honest to God truth."



Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 05.11.10 @ 20:32pm


"They did the first leg of the ROR 86 tour which were about 80+ shows, and Perry said he was "toast." How many more shows were they going to do?"

I heard they were halfway through the tour when they stopped, and he wasn't feeling up to the rest of it. Hang on...

http://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/herbieherbert.html

That's where you get some of his comments about Perry, and there's also a link to an interview he did in 2001 that caused some rumblings. Make of it whatever you like; since I don't know anything I'm not drawing any conclusions.

Right, I've got math tutoring in the morning. One more Oasis song then off to bed.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 05.12.10 @ 21:54pm


Seventy-nine shows are listed (8/23/86 - 1/22/87) with only six shows in 1987. One reviewer said that he saw the ROR tour in 1987 so if that's accurate, they did probably about 75 shows. They usually toured about 10+ months. Escape Tour was for the entire year of 1981 and Frontiers eight months.

Yep, Herbie always seemed to have a lot to say, if anyone would listen.

Hope tutoring went well.

Posted by S L Ballard on Monday, 05.17.10 @ 19:38pm


Just fine, thanks. I found both Perry's and Herbie's interviews insightful, though Herbie's assertion that they should've been inducted before Van Halen is laughable because VH's style and look was EVERYWHERE in the 80's and can still be heard in plenty of guitarists today (VH and Journey once toured together.) Herbie doesn't have to say what he does, since he's retired. I suppose he just feels like saying what he thinks is the truth. This is comment #500, by the way.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 05.17.10 @ 21:35pm


Did I read somewhere that VH opened for Journey? Journey was kinda everywhere too. Even today, that Don't Stop Believin is being sung by EVERYONE! I guess that's a good thing?

Lady Gaga, Springsteen and Friends Stage The Greatest Karaoke Session Ever
Posted Fri May 14, 2010 2:09pm PDT by Mike Ryan in Stop The Presses

"When Steve Perry from Journey first put words to music for the iconic song, "Don't Stop Believin’," he probably had no idea he was belting out those lyrics for … Lady Gaga and Bruce Springsteen. Those two glamorous stars, along with a few of their close peers – Sting, Elton John, Debbie , and Shirley Bassey — joined each other onstage on Thursday night to belt out what is arguably the most popular karaoke song of all time: Journey's "Don't Stop Believin'."

According to J Cain, Perry loved to hear himself on the radio. So glad his dream is being realized. Greatest Hits still on Billboard's top 200 and #3 on catalog list.

#501

Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 05.18.10 @ 05:07am


Van Halen never opened for Journey...they went from club dates to headlining their own world tours (starting in 1978, I believe) pretty much overnight...

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 05.18.10 @ 06:36am


I guess they did:

VanHalenstore.com
"Spring 99 "The Inside" Magazine #14
This is a special issue entirely dedicated to covering the band's first world tour. This issue is packed with many live and candid photos, all of which are from 1978!"

"In February, 1978, Van Halen's first album was released, while the band continued to play shows around Hollywood and Pasadena. Their final club show was, fittingly, at the Whisky-A-GoGo on Hollywood's Sunset Strip. Only one week later, they were playing the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago, IL-the heart of the Midwest. As the opening act for Journey and Montrose, Van Halen was afforded few luxuries. The Aragon was a small theater with an extremely tiny backstage area. Once the other bands had loaded their equipment inside, there was no room for anything else, much less VH's gear."

"The Aragon's stage was far too small for the movement they were used to, and it showed. Fortunately, this would be the only tour where Van Halen would find themselves as an opening act."

"After opening for Journey and Montrose for several months, they finished the tour supporting a weary Black Sabbath."

Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 05.18.10 @ 18:28pm


I stand corrected...they did do a tour with Journey and Montrose for about 1 1/2 months early in 1978. The time line seemed tight because I remember seeing Journey in May, 1978 (I think) at Folsom Field in Boulder, CO with Firefall, Bob Welch, and the Beach Boys.

If I'm wrong I say I'm wrong...

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 05.18.10 @ 18:43pm


"Maybe they did get too comercialized, but people could not get enough of them, so could you blame them for capitalizing on their fame?!" Jrnyboard

"Well there is that issue of artistic integrity, but certainly I would grab the money if it was waiting for me." Posted by Sam on Thursday, 02.11.10 @ 16:27pm / Jrnyboard

With all due respect Sam, I must debate here if you are questioning Perry's artistic integrity. Any artists who does what's heartfelt without regards to critics is full of integrity. Now, you might say that about Schon because the music they did was not really his style, but money talks. Perry loved "Open Arms" but Schon hated it(probably still) but it sold so he had/has no issues with playing it.

Gotta go, but shall return to clarify a bit more.

Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 05.18.10 @ 19:26pm


Well apparently Gene Simmons (a hell of a businessman) once said that "artistic integrity doesn't pay the mortgage". It's true, sadly. Gang of Four had the funk, rock and punk mixture down perfectly in 1979 but didn't gain much more than a cult following; Red Hot Chili Peppers broke into the mainstream with it a decade later. Listen to Joy Division's "Transmission" and U2's "I Will Follow" back to back, and they sound fairly similar. JD were the originals (Gitarzan will back me up on this one), yet U2 have gotten the post-punk recognition partially due to the fact that Ian Curtis was too self-destructive to give JD a long career. Creed, Nickleback and Stone Temple Pilots were drawing heavily from Alice in Chains, and thus all outsold Alice. There are more examples, but you get what I'm talking about. Sometimes the person who does it first doesn't get their due. Van Halen was an exception: Quiet Riot was the only LA hairband that preceded them, and despite having their look and sound ripped off ten-fold throughout the 80's outsold all the rest of the hairbands that followed them.

I wasn't accusing Journey of what you said (or trying to bring the term "corporate rock", and I would never try to tell bands what they should or shouldn't do. I was just making the point that non-innovation or doing something that's already been done (sometimes done better) sells more than doing something new. If you're a struggling artist it's smart to not break new ground because you'll make more money that way. Journey were apparently Santana-styled before Perry joined (which makes sense since Schon and Gregg Rollie were in Santana), and when they broke out some old fans accused them of selling out. I don't like the term "selling out" in that term, because it implies "they evolved and I didn't." If I was a struggling artist I'd do whatever I could to make money as long as I wasn't ripping anyone off.

We can discuss it more in-depth if you like.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 05.18.10 @ 21:33pm


"yet U2 have gotten the post-punk recognition partially due to the fact that Ian Curtis was too self-destructive to give JD a long career." Sam

"Suffering from epilepsy and a failing marriage, Curtis committed suicide in May 1980, on the eve of Joy Division's first North American tour."

Hey, shouldn't you give Ian a little break there? Not entirely his fault.

Reminds me of fans being upset with Perry "what he did to the band" because after injury, he had too much integrity (to collect pity money) to "sit on that stool" (GQ 6/08) while touring as the band wanted. As I have said "show me the smoking gun or legal action" he used to stop their touring.

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"I was just making the point that non-innovation or doing something that's already been done (sometimes done better) sells more than doing something new." If you're a struggling artist it's smart to not break new ground because you'll make more money that way." Sam

Sounds like you may be repeating no "artistic integrity." First of all, I thought the ballards, as Perry liked, whether critics liked or not, were hugely Journey. Plus every artist won't be completely innovative as your examples seemingly acknowledge, and every artist more or less takes something from others and could possibly end up claiming it as his/hers as your examples above indicate. Guess that's just the way of the beast, but why punish an artist if that artist, while possibly taking it to a higher degree or making bigger dollars, recognizes who started it?


Posted by S L Ballard on Friday, 05.21.10 @ 21:47pm


"Guess that's just the way of the beast, but why punish an artist if that artist, while possibly taking it to a higher degree or making bigger dollars, recognizes who started it?"

True. I'm not crucifying them for doing power ballads, though I usually don't like power ballads (too many of them sucked the edge out of pop-metal and turned the first-wavers like Def Leppard and Motley Crue into laughingstocks). I agree with your point, however. I won't punish anyone for doing what they love. Herbie Herbert actually hated what Journey started out doing and he was the one invited SP into the fold (though Schon was initially reluctant). I had just been making the point that some fans they gained initially called them "sell-outs", though in that context the term "sell-out" means nothing more than "they evolved and I didn't", and sometimes it's a double standard. For example, Judas Priest ditched the synths at the end of the 80's and tried to corner the thrash-metal market that they had influenced while thrash and speed metal were cool, and the results were spectacular. Nobody complained about them cashing in on thrash to save their careers; in fact, the album that resulted got glowing reviews and is much more revered than their late 80's output.

"Hey, shouldn't you give Ian a little break there? Not entirely his fault."

I can with the epilepsy; I can always sympathize with that, as I sometimes suffer seizures when I'm sleep-deprived (kind of my fault there), but the reason his marriage was failing was because whilst touring Sweden (or Belgium, I forget which) he hooked up with a journalist. He eventually hung himself after talking with his wife, leaving a baby girl to wonder what her father was like. I'll be back in the UK in August, then I'll try and get my... oh hang on. "Closer", the movie which was made about him, is on You Tube. I'll watch it now. I also watched a couple of documentaries on Factory Records, and both his bandmates and Tony Wilson were kicking themselves for a long time because they didn't recognize the warning signs in his writing. His mistress did, and according to Wilson (God rest his soul) she told him she was scared when she heard the last album, but he shrugged it off. However, although I love Kurt Cobain's music as well, I feel sad about how he handled things as well (also offing himself and leaving a baby girl behind), except he had even more resources to help himself. The world was his oyster, and he blew it as well. Not tragic (like John Lennon's murder), just sad because I'm just left to wonder in both cases what might have been. Right, on to "Closer". See you in a little while.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 05.22.10 @ 13:41pm


"invited SP into the fold (though Schon was initially reluctant)"

I guess Schon changed his mind in a big way,huh? He says they did NOT sell out.

"This has all been great," the New Jersey-born axe slinger said in a raspy voice. "I love money. I want to make as much as I can. I have expensive tastes and the only way to keep them happy is by making as much money as I can and then spending it. I just bought my third sports car - a Lamborghini that can do 210 miles per hour. That's one of the benefits of our success. People in the press and in other bands sometimes put Journey down, but I think that a lot of them are jealous. We're where most other rock bands want to be - and most importantly we haven't had to sell out one bit to get there. We're still making the music we want to make." (Hit Parader, June 1983, Charlton Publications Inc.)

So funny, but can NEVER imagine Perry speaking in that manner. They gained so many many more fans which by far outweighted the "sell out" detractors so I guess those ones joined in or fell by the wayside.

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Strange that death in showbiz seems to propel an artist(s)..Cobain, Jackson....

"Until singer Ian Curtis committed suicide in 1980, Joy Division was one of Britain's most promising postpunk bands. While the remaining members went on to huge success with the synth-pop band New Order, Joy Division’s legend continued to grow and the band are possibly more popular now than ever before. ..." (RS)

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Seems Judas Priest's 1996 vocalist, Tim "Ripper" Owens, inspired the film "Rock Star," but then they disassociated themselves from him. Curious as to how they got the name, Judas Priest?
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Enjoy the "Closer" if you can tolerate all that YouTube buffering.....

Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 05.22.10 @ 18:14pm


"If I'm wrong I say I'm wrong..."

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 05.18.10 @ 18:43pm
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Okay! You're sounding like Perry.

"I'd like to say I'm sorry. I'd like to make amend. If I close my eye and tell the truth just where would I begin....'Anyway'"...


I hope Steve Perry gets in!

Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 05.22.10 @ 18:29pm


I hope Steve Perry gets in!

Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 05.22.10 @ 18:29pm

Sure, as a member of Journey!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 05.23.10 @ 08:39am


"They gained so many many more fans which by far outweighted the 'sell out' detractors so I guess those ones joined in or fell by the wayside." - S L Ballard

Yep. You know what's actually interesting? I'm listening to a podcast of Bruce Dickinson's Friday Rock Show, and he just played "Seperate Ways (World Apart)" re-recorded with Arnel Pineda. I'm going to have disagree with Gitarzan; there's a noticeable difference in their voices. That was my first time listening to Arnel, and his voice seems to be a bit higher than Perry's and a bit weaker.

"So funny, but can NEVER imagine Perry speaking in that manner."

I haven't ever heard him brag about making money that's for sure. On the "Behind the Music" episode Jon Cain took the same view I do on the term "corporate rock".

"Strange that death in showbiz seems to propel an artist(s)..Cobain, Jackson...."

I agree about Michael Jackson... his fans have been quite annoying since he died, acting like he hasn't gotten enough respect and that he should be ranked higher on the greatest artists list. The stuff I've heard from him is making me feel he's overrated, and I definitely prefer Prince. As for Kurt, I saw a statement someone posted on the Nirvana page. It begins with saying that they did not kill hair metal and did not bring alt. rock into the mainstream (I don't dispute claim), and here's the response to the nonsense about them "saving rock":

"Incidentally, I don't remember a single magazine, MTV vee-jay, or radio disc jockey claiming that Nirvana 'saved rock' until after Kurt Cobain's death, nor did it ever factor into any peer conversations I had regarding music. Between 1991 and 1994, Nirvana was just another big Seattle band, and one who was much less edgy than many of their Seattle counterparts. Nobody was talking about Nirvana 'killing' the hair bands (especially since the hair band sound was being kept alive for a while by Jackyl and Ugly Kid Joe), and since not every 'Gen-X'er' was a flannel-wearing grunge fan, 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' did not become everybody's anthem. Largely, fans of rap, extreme metal, or dance-pop didn't really care about Nirvana's faux-'revolution', nor the fashionably angsty, self-obsessed attitude that became associated with it. It is a custom of rock music (and rap music, for that matter) to deify its dead, thus a single shotgun blast elevated Kurt Cobain from popular rock guy to rock 'n roll martyr."

Joy Division pretty much created post-punk; they had developed a cult following by the time Ian died, and he offed himself a day or two before they were due to tour the US for the first time. Right after the event, "Love Will Tear Us Apart" shot up to #12 in the UK and the last album, "Closer", was released and went to #6 (Unknown Pleasures was certified silver and got to #71, and they had done a John Peel session.) New Order got cult success in the US (2 gold albums and 1 platinum, plus some major dance charts positions.) Yes, they found major success back home (2 #1 albums and a lot of Top 10 albums, plus their 1990 World Cup anthem, which I don't really like, was a #1 single.) The most interesting case is Freddie Mercury (at the time he died, Queen were still one of the biggest bands in the world but had lost their US popularity; about the time he died some critical revision happened, "Bohemian Rhapsody" appeared in some movie, and lo and behold Queen were gods in the US.) Strange how that works.)

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 05.23.10 @ 16:36pm


And yes "Closer" was excellent, and it made me feel even more for both IC and his wife (sounds strange that I could feel that, but they both suffered in their own ways.) Also, it's an examination of the human frailties. Now, the daily enlightenment of the public:

http://www.myspace.com/neworder

Try all of the tracks; I just wish the music videos would come back. I'm not majorly thrilled by the Happy Mondays so far, but anyone might find it worthwile to explore their page. They were also a Factory Records band, and a major part of the Hacienda culture. You'll also find a link to Joy Division's page, and thus an introduction to them. I haven't listened to Primal Scream yet, but I'll certainly do so. Buzzcocks are kind of a UK answer to the Ramones, and the Chemical Brothers you might find worthwile (Buzzcocks are also a Manchester band, not sure about Chemical Brothers or Primal Scream.) Ian Brown is the frontman for the Stone Roses; I haven't explored his solo work, and I'd check out Stone Roses before you try his page. (They were not signed to Factory because Tony Wilson's ex-wife was involved with them; they really blew it there. Would've made some major money. They also failed to sign The Smiths; even bigger screw-up.)

To be honest, a Steve Perry induction most likely has no chance unless Journey gets in, which won't happen anytime soon, though I think there might be room to argue for them.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 05.23.10 @ 16:47pm


And I don't know where Priest got their name from; perhaps one of them had some issue with the Church (I know Halford being gay was considered blasphemous in late 60's working class Birmingham.) What I do know, however, is that Priest not being inducted is one of the worst mistakes the Hall has made, and I do know that "Rock Star" was a pretty good movie.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 05.23.10 @ 17:10pm


"The most interesting case is Freddie Mercury (at the time he died, Queen were still one of the biggest bands in the world but had lost their US popularity;" Sam

Lost US popularity? I believe Wiki says sold 300 million worldwide, but RIAA certified only 32 million in US. I intially thought they were bigger in US.

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"Yep. You know what's actually interesting? I'm listening to a podcast of Bruce Dickinson's Friday Rock Show, and he just played "Seperate Ways (World Apart)" re-recorded with Arnel Pineda. I'm going to have disagree with Gitarzan; there's a noticeable difference in their voices. That was my first time listening to Arnel, and his voice seems to be a bit higher than Perry's and a bit weaker." Sam

Noticeable, yep! Are you hearing higher or harsher/rougher - some say more of a rock voice? Don't think it is higher, but wouldn't say weaker for he sings hard. When they sang at the pre-activities (probably still on Youtube) at 2009 Superbowl, Arnel stretched those eyes trying to hit those notes so they detuned since then, although the CD supposedly done in original key. Are we talking the same thing here? My musical expertise is sometimes limited to what sounds good or bad to my ears.

When I got the Revelation CD, I listened for a bit, but much prefer Perry's unique sound, especially unique on early stuff 78-80 - Wheel and LTS..., but from Frontiers forward, he picked up rasp to his voice, which I too liked.

Check out YouTube, AP's fans have done so many side by side of both singing on same song. With me, mimicking takes away credibility if you had any. Check out my post above, AP's fans brag on how well "Pinoys copy other artist." What do you think? What other band(s) try so hard to recapture sound of original singer?

Just listened to Paul Rodgers singing "We Are The Champion" his way.

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"http://www.myspace.com/neworder"
Got a lot of views..., but they haven't logged in since 10/2009?

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 05.23.10 @ 19:44pm


"Noticeable, yep! Are you hearing higher or harsher/rougher - some say more of a rock voice?"

Both. I mean not as rough, and his high notes are much less masculine.

"What do you think? What other band(s) try so hard to recapture sound of original singer?"

Some do. Judas Priest's drummer found Ripper Owens when he got a video tape of him performing with his Priest tribute band, and he thought was an uncanny resemblance. At first he was convinced that it was merely Rob's voice overdubbed over the tape. However, some are smart enough to go a different way, as AC/DC found a Bon Scott replacemnt who wasn't as soulful and was grittier, David Coverdale sounds nothing like Ian Gillan, who he replaced in Deep Purple (though actually Whitesnake have long been dismissed as Zeppelin-wannabes), and Sabbath found a technically better singer than Ozzy.

"Lost US popularity? I believe Wiki says sold 300 million worldwide, but RIAA certified only 32 million in US. I intially thought they were bigger in US."

Their US career pretty much ended when they did the video for "I Want to Break Free", as most Americans weren't ready for what they were doing with it. The single tanked as a result, and that was pretty much it (Bowie had already saved them once, helping them get through New Wave by collaborating on "Under Pressure". I heard their UK popularity briefly dipped as well, but even if it did Live Aid quickly restored. They were one of the biggest deals at Live Aid, which was watched by 700 million people, and they were the first band to play stadiums in South America and in the beginning were bigger in Japan than the UK, so 300 million is probably accurate (they've sold 23 million in the UK.) Some bands rely on other markets; Iron Maiden and Deep Purple aren't as big in Britain anymore and didn't dominate the US for very long but are huge in other parts of the world, and Purple and Sabbath have apparently sold 300 million albums as well.

"Got a lot of views..., but they haven't logged in since 10/2009?"

Interestingly, I discovered Ian Curtis' daughter has friended Joy Division (she's a photographer), and she met the band and Tony Wilson when "Control" was being made (excellent biopic btw; unfortunately Wilson died before it was finished.) Anyhow, the lack of activity makes sense as they went on hiatus in '07 (when the bassist quit) and broke up in '08 or '09. Hook's doing various projects, Sumner, Morris and Cunningham have formed a new band and Gilbert's married to Morris and pretty much left the business in 2002. They've no real reason to log in unless they get back together, which has no chance to happen unless they mend the fences with Hook (for the most part he's come out of it looking the worst, but like the Perry and Schon rift who knows what went on behind closed doors?)

I believe Journey's Behind the Music is up on YouTube (some of it at least); Perry rubbed everybody the wrong way by saying he felt he was never part of the band (he actually became distant during their popularity, because, as we discussed, he had a tough time with fame. Some guys love it and some people can't deal with it.)

Posted by Sam on Monday, 05.24.10 @ 20:47pm


"Both. I mean not as rough, and his high notes are much less masculine." Sam

Are you talking about Arnel? He has the more masculine voice. Think AP's is rougher and not as high as SP's, but strong. Strange how Perry's voice ending up defining Journey, although he was given crap at times about that distinctive voice.
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"However, some are smart enough to go a different way" Sam

Brian May (friend of Neal and of Jeff Scott Soto, Neal's friend who had a brief stint in '07 as lead singer for Journey, but wasn't Perryish enough so he was dismissed) had some strong counsel for Neal after Soto's dismissal, citing four options for him and hoping he'd not take option 2 (Perry sound-a-like), which apparently he did.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=74687
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"I heard their UK popularity briefly dipped as well, but even if it did Live Aid quickly restored. They were one of the biggest deals at Live Aid" Sam

"led to Queen's slot being voted in a 2005 poll as the 'Greatest Live Gig Ever'"

Looks like Bowie and U2 also created buzzes.
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"Perry rubbed everybody the wrong way by saying he felt he was never part of the band (he actually became distant during their popularity, because, as we discussed, he had a tough time with fame. Some guys love it and some people can't deal with it.)" Sam

He explained "never felt like part of the band," in that GQ 6/08 interview and even before that it made since to me. They were looking for "a screamer" and his voice did not suit. As he said, until they saw that things were really moving forward, he felt scrutinized,for the others had come from known bands....

Guess Perry wanted a normal life:
"You got somebody dropping you off at the airport and somebody picking you up, you don't get to drive anymore and when I get on the freeway I've lost my chops - it swirly" (SP Escape 81 DVD)



Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 05.26.10 @ 19:39pm


"Are you talking about Arnel? He has the more masculine voice. Think AP's is rougher and not as high as SP's, but strong. Strange how Perry's voice ending up defining Journey, although he was given crap at times about that distinctive voice."

Yes, his voice was defining, though Gregg Rollie's voice was pretty definitive as well (both in Santana and on the Journey stuff with both him and Perry, like "Feeling That Way")... albeit Perry was the better singer.

"Brian May (friend of Neal and of Jeff Scott Soto, Neal's friend who had a brief stint in '07 as lead singer for Journey, but wasn't Perryish enough so he was dismissed) had some strong counsel for Neal after Soto's dismissal, citing four options for him and hoping he'd not take option 2 (Perry sound-a-like), which apparently he did."

Yep, read that (I regularly visit Blabbermouth now, though more because of the news than the intelligence of the other visitors.) May's a legend, so any counsel of his is good counsel (However, he and Taylor should never have revived the Queen name. Paul Rodgers is a great singer so by all means work with him, but don't call it Queen.) May's developing lots of friends. He's friends with Metallica, Tony Iommi (Iommi and James Hetfield jammed on "Stone Cold Crazy" at the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert; WOW! Metallica later performed a part of the show), Foo Fighters, Joe Elliott (Def Leppard)... and I caught the end of the 50th anniversary Les Paul gig. Brian, Ronnie Wood, David Gilmour and many others I don't remember right now jamming with Paul Rodgers on "Stay With Me" by Faces. From what I can tell Neal's not quite on Brian's level as a guitarist (which isn't knocking Neal simply because Brian's such a legend.)

"Looks like Bowie and U2 also created buzzes."

Sure did. U2 had entered the stadium rock stratosphere by that point, and as I said Bowie helped Queen get through New Wave. His US success was on-and-off, but in the UK he's kept it going for years. 7 #1 albums, 14 other Top 10 studio albums... I'm sure he did create a buzz. Plus he and Mick Jagger recorded a cover of "Dancing in the Street" before the event.

"led to Queen's slot being voted in a 2005 poll as the 'Greatest Live Gig Ever'"

Which poll, I'm curious? Not that I dispute because they were a great live band, it's just that almost every magazine in the UK runs a billion polls (especially greatest-album polls, which are usually very indie-oriented... not that that's a bad thing.) There was even one poll which had Liam Gallagher as the "Greatest Frontman". Freddie? Mick? Roger Daltrey? Steven Tyler? To hell with them... how laughable. Now, I love Oasis as much as the next person, but let's be honest. Liam's live voice hasn't been in shape for quite some time (too much emphasis in growling; see Knebworth, too much drinking and smoking and probably not enough practice.) There's no way you can even convince me he's in the Top 20 for Influence or Stage Presence, no sir. Bono and Paul Rodgers, there's too guys who have really kept their voices top notch (as dodgy as Bono has behaved sometimes, he's a hell of a frontman.)

He explained "never felt like part of the band," in that GQ 6/08 interview and even before that it made since to me. They were looking for "a screamer" and his voice did not suit. As he said, until they saw that things were really moving forward, he felt scrutinized,for the others had come from known bands....

Guess Perry wanted a normal life: - S L Ballard

I'll have to look up that interview just for clarity. I saw a different one from 2005 or something. But no, a screamer he ain't. As for the others... yep. Him and Cain were the unknowns. Rollie and Neal coming from Santana and Anysley Dunbar having a cult following with Frank Zappa, and later went on to join Whitesnake briefly (It looked like a smart move until he was fired after playing on the 1987 album, ironically the moment where they were briefly one of the biggest bands in the world.) Perry and Jon Cain were the unknowns, though obviously Cain has fit in well with Neal.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 05.26.10 @ 21:40pm


"Yes, his voice was defining, though Gregg Rollie's voice was pretty definitive as well (both in Santana and on the Journey stuff with both him and Perry, like "Feeling That Way")... albeit Perry was the better singer." Sam

Don't think Rollie was really that known for his voice in Journey (That's why Columbia insisted they get a frontman). Neal Schon was always looking for someone to ape Perry. Just came to realize Rollie sang on that "Black Magic Woman" song in Santana.
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"May's a legend, so any counsel of his is good counsel (However, he and Taylor should never have revived the Queen name. Paul Rodgers is a great singer so by all means work with him, but don't call it Queen.)" Sam

He called it Queen + Paul Rodgers thus indicating that he WAS NOT trying to replace Freddie. Neal and Cain made a point of saying Arnel WAS replacing Perry (Did you see them on Oprah, with their YouTube story?), yet in actuality Perry has been replaced three times, but who's "keeping track."

"Last week, Journey put out a press release claiming Augeri was suffering from an "acute throat infection" and would be replaced by former Yngwie Malmsteen sideman Jeff Scott Soto. For those keeping track, Soto will be Journey's fourth frontman." (RS 7'06 )

Maybe they wanted to punish Perry for keeping his distance and not returning after things didn't go so great with Steve A.?
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"Joe Elliott (Def Leppard)..."

Hear a lot about them. I believe I read s/where that they left their long-time mgment. They were 40ish on top tours for 2009 making about $24 million.
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"From what I can tell Neal's not quite on Brian's level as a guitarist (which isn't knocking Neal simply because Brian's such a legend.)" Sam

Maybe that nags him. He may feels he is or should be (Afterall he was with Santana at age 14, and I forget that other big name who sought his services around the same time). A friend of Neal's wrote an article this month to that effect. If I find again, you may read.
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"Plus he and Mick Jagger recorded a cover of "Dancing in the Street" before the event" Sam

I believe MJ always pays homage to the original artist when doing that.
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"led to Queen's slot being voted in a 2005 poll as the 'Greatest Live Gig Ever'"

"Which poll, I'm curious? Not that I dispute because they were a great live band, it's just that almost every magazine in the UK runs a billion polls" Sam

Read about "Live Aid" from Wiki, who may not be the ultimate authority.

"There was even one poll which had Liam Gallagher as the "Greatest Frontman". Freddie? Mick? Roger Daltrey? Steven Tyler?" Sam

How would you define "Greatest Frontman?"
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"Guess Perry wanted a normal life: - S L Ballard"

That was an interview on the Houston 81 DVD, but have seen it out on YouTube.

Yeah, that Anysley Dunbar got around, probably bigger than Neal? Why fired from Whitesnake? Did he sue like he sued Journey?
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Correction - "made sense to me" S L








Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 05.27.10 @ 22:14pm


"Don't think Rollie was really that known for his voice in Journey (That's why Columbia insisted they get a frontman). Neal Schon was always looking for someone to ape Perry. Just came to realize Rollie sang on that "Black Magic Woman" song in Santana."

If you check the Journey page you'll see some people take care to mention Rollie as well as Perry. I'm pretty sure he also sang on "Evil Ways". And "Black Magic Woman" was actually written by Peter Green, the singer and guitarist for Fleetwood Mac in the beginning (almost a decade before Buckingham-Nicks, back when they were one of Britain's most respected blues-rock bands.)

"Read about 'Live Aid' from Wiki, who may not be the ultimate authority."

It isn't because they don't always cite sources. However, in this case:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4420308.stm

"He called it Queen + Paul Rodgers thus indicating that he WAS NOT trying to replace Freddie. Neal and Cain made a point of saying Arnel WAS replacing Perry (Did you see them on Oprah, with their YouTube story?), yet in actuality Perry has been replaced three times, but who's 'keeping track.'"

I'm sure some people are keeping track. Watch out Arnel... if you break a foot you could be in trouble. As for Queen + Paul Rodgers, my belief is the reason the album tanked was because the Queen name was attached to it without Freddie and John Deacon involved. Paul left the project last year to focus fully on the Bad Company reunion.

"How would you define 'Greatest Frontman?'"

Good question. I think about vocals and stage presence mainly, like those "Greatest Singers" polls are usually down to personal taste (with influence sometimes being a factor.)

"Maybe that nags him. He may feels he is or should be (Afterall he was with Santana at age 14, and I forget that other big name who sought his services around the same time). A friend of Neal's wrote an article this month to that effect. If I find again, you may read."

He actually joined Santana at 15, and Gitarzan said that Derek & The Dominoes offered him a spot. Yes, Duane Allman and Clapton offered him the gig; now THAT is respect. In an interview I read Herbie Herbert was going on about he feels Neal doesn't get enough respect. He also moaned about the fact that Van Halen got in before Journey (on the basis that VH opened for Journey,) and you'll hear similar whining on the Journey page, along with asking how Aerosmith (who I'm listening to as I write this), AC/DC and R.E.M. got in first (sigh.) Herbie also offered up the idea that if they hadn't stopped in '86 and kept going they would've gotten into the Hall by now (I disagree, as none of the other so-called "corporate rock" bands have even been considered.)

"Yeah, that Anysley Dunbar got around, probably bigger than Neal? Why fired from Whitesnake? Did he sue like he sued Journey?"

Wiki doesn't say anything about it, other than once the 1987 album was recorded Coverdale (great voice) fired everyone. Vivian Campbell (good choice; replaced Steve Clark in Def Leppard, still going there, got his major start in Dio; underrated guitarist) and Adrian Vandenberg played guitars, with Vandenberg going from Whitesnake session-guy to full-time guitarist and Campbell replacing John Sykes (who had played briefly in the legendary Thin Lizzy), Rudy Sarzo (good choice; played in Ozzy and Quiet Riot) playing bass, and Tommy Aldridge replacing Dunbar on drums. According to Wiki: "though they never took part on the recordings, except for Vandenberg, who played on the solo for 'Here I Go Again', and Campbell who re-recorded the solo for the video and single version of 'Give Me All Your Love'." In his career, addition to his long stint with Frank Zappa, Dunbar's second-most note-worthy thing (IMO) is that he played on two of David Bowie's albums.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 05.28.10 @ 17:12pm


"Maybe they wanted to punish Perry for keeping his distance and not returning after things didn't go so great with Steve A.?"

That's crazy. Generally when you want someone to do something you should ask them. I've read in a couple of interviews that he's thinking about touring again. It's not his job to want to return, it's the band's job to ask him if they want him again. Who knows how popular they'd be if they'd brought him back again? Just like how Styx and Foreigner (bands I don't really like) are stuck in the state fair/classic rock circuit because they parted withe Dennis DeYoung and Lou Gramm, their respective original singers. I don't know if they'd be playing arenas if they were still with them, but they would be a bit more popular than they are.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 05.29.10 @ 13:18pm


"Generally when you want someone to do something you should ask them."

I believe, it was understood, supposedly, that he could return, especially in 2007, when Sopranos made their "DSB" song popular, for they had no singer. He said then in an interview and prior that he was not returning, “but never say never.”

"I've read in a couple of interviews that he's thinking about touring again." Sam

"Home, it's a feeling you can't explain,you miss it,...but you become callous..." (SP Houston 81 DVD)

Maybe that other Steve Perry? Not sure if he was EVER crazy about touring so at age 61,...but I believe he has been "thinking about recording and releasing" for the past ten + years. He has fans waiting, and now that reality may have come, there's "So who has given up” talk, followed by some bashing,insisting that he make a formal announcement that he's done.
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"If you check the Journey page you'll see some people take care to mention Rollie as well as Perry." Sam

True, but his voice did not define Journey. You can't seriously equate Rollie's vocals with the importance and prowess of Perry's. He sang on three songs, and they b/c huge after his departure. It's a Perry sound they wanted the singer to have. For that matter, Smokey the Bear may have been tapped, if he sounded like Perry. Like it or not, those fans seem to crave those songs, with same sound as have been accustomed.

“Journey guitarist, Neal Schon, who wants the band to get back to what it used to sound like in the Steve Perry era, gets the credit for finding Pineda.
From Pineda's perspective, he's not trying to be Steve Perry, one of his idols, but he's trying to sound as much like him as he can.
"We have to make sure the hard-core fans will be satisfied listening to the songs," he said. "They're so used to Steve Perry's voice, so we have to be really close to how Steve Perry has done it. That's the hardest part.
"Anytime Steve Perry wants to walk in, I would be glad to step out," Pineda added. "It's his right. It's his band. I'm just here to celebrate the legacy of Journey." (12'07 www.marinij.com )

"Once-reviled band has reclaimed its pedestal, clinched its legacy
By Jeffrey Lee Puckett•jpuckett@courier-journal.com • August 21, 2009
But why? How has this band endured when so many of its contemporaries have gone or faded? How have those who mocked them mercilessly in the '‘70s and '‘80s been transformed into non-ironic fans?"
"Easy. It's the singer and the songs.
Steve Perry, who fronted the band during its biggest years and is now retired, possessed a voice so remarkable that every Journey singer since has essentially been a clone. He had enormous power, range and perfect pitch, all of which allowed him to easily sing over the squall of a rock band. There was something else, too — a sweetness that could quickly switch gears from melancholy to celebratory. Pineda's voice is eerily similar to Perry's, but more important, he has the same combination of power and vulnerability. It's no coincidence that since he joined, the band's profile has risen.”
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I think you and Gitarzan said Journey was holding Schon back, not Perry.

http://www.chicoer.com/entertainment/ci_14794874
"After a few years, he and keyboardist/vocalist Greg Rolie left Santana to start Journey as a jazzy progressive rock band, and it's been Schon's bread and butter ever since. It's not all he's done; he's collaborated with a host of musicians and released six solo recordings. But in the end he still comes back to Journey, even to the point of hiring a series of Steve Perry sound-a-likes to keep the franchise alive and profitable -- albeit on hiatus this year. The time off has provided Schon with the opportunity to dust off some old tunes and hit the road on his own, making a stop at Chico's El Rey Theatre on March 22. (4'10 BRUCE SMITH-PETERS - The Buzz)

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 05.30.10 @ 13:41pm


S L Ballard...one thing has become painfully obvious to me as I read your comments, and that is quite simply "don't believe everything you read". I'm curious...did you ever actually witness Journey with Perry when they were in their heyday...???

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 05.30.10 @ 13:47pm


"Maybe that nags him. He may feel he is or should be (Afterall he was with Santana at age 14, and I forget that other big name who sought his services around the same time). A friend of Neal's wrote an article this month to that effect. If I find again, you may read." SL 5/27

Sorry no link:

TAKE NOTE, MARTINEZ
By Jim Caroompas
Guest Columnist
May 6, 2010
Neal Schon

There used to be a club in San Francisco called The Orphanage. It was considered a major venue, where lots of fairly well-known acts came to play, so when my band Colefeat was booked there one night, it was a big deal for us. One of the very nice things about this particular gig was the fact that there was a dressing room. Most of the places we played then (and continue to play now) do not come with a separate room in which to change from street clothes to stage clothes, or to sit quietly and tune the instruments, or just psyche up for the show. It’s a luxury most musicians don’t get to experience. This particular night, we did. And we were doing all those things when, to everyone’s surprise, someone walked in. It was none other than Neal Schon. He was just cruising the clubs, and thought he’d stop by to say hello.

In 1974, the year this took place, Neal Schon was poised to take the mantle from Eric Clapton and Jimi Hendrix. He was the next designated Guitar God. Everyone knew it – it was just a matter of time. The man was a monster, a guitar player’s guitar player. That’s why he was offered a spot as the second guitar for Derek and the Dominoes in 1971. That’s right – Eric Clapton invited Neal to join the band. And Neal said “no.” Instead, he joined Santana and went on to make several albums with him, before heading in other directions. In the year 1971, an invitation from Eric Clapton was like… well, I’m not sure there was anything like it. It meant that you were the best, the heir apparent, and that year, Neal Schon was certainly that.

I was fortunate enough to see Neal jam with Derek and the Dominoes in 1971, at the Berkeley Community Theater. I didn’t know who he was then, but I hated him. Purely, you understand, out of jealousy. Here was a kid, only a few months older than me, being invited on stage to jam with the guitar player who for me was the finest guitarist who ever took a breath. Given that perspective, and my young age, I listened to Neal trade guitar licks with Clapton and thought “hmm, not bad, but Eric cleaned his clock.”

Cut to 1974, and my unexpected opportunity to ask Neal what the heck he was thinking, turning down Clapton. His answer was two-fold. First, he said, there was a lot of heroin being snorted backstage, and he didn’t want any part of that. A very wise and rational response, though at the time I thought it was silly. Secondly, he said, “I already had the Clapton thing down, I was working on the Hendrix thing.”

That struck me as arrogant, so I decided to teach the kid a lesson. I invited him to play with us, and he graciously agreed to come out for a song. We did our set, then I introduced him and, for the song, I chose the same one I saw him play with Clapton that night: Key to the Highway, by Big Bill Broonzy. Since he was the guest, I took the first couple of solos, and turned in a pretty tasty set of chops, if I do say so myself. I was feeling pretty smug and cocky when I nodded to Neal and he turned in his choruses.

Oh dear reader, I shall never again make that mistake. Neal Schon basically shredded me into a steaming mass of humble that night. He was amazing, astounding. His notes were searing and gorgeous and unerring. His fingers were a brilliant blur of blues-drenched beauty. Oh, I watched and wept, moved by the fury of notes coming out of his amp and at the same time humbled and shamed by the shadow that guy made of me on my stage, in front of my band.

That year, I believe, Neal formed Journey. They put out three albums of progressive rock that didn’t really go anywhere, never really found a large enough audience base to support enough sales to continue making records. The songs weren’t very strong, the singing wasn’t great, and the tunes themselves didn’t really feature Neal’s guitar work in a way that put him in the center of the spotlight. Then their manager, Herbie Herbert, found a guy named Steve Perry. Steve wrote songs with very strong hooks, and he sang distinctively. And the rest, as they say, is history.

Except Neal Schon is not recognized as the legendary guitarist he seemed destined to be. In interviews, he says he’s not a big fan of pop music, yet that’s exactly what Journey came to be – a pop band with rock sensibilities, who pretty much owned the 1980s radio charts. They made a fortune, and I’m sure Neal is grateful for that part. But Journey is known for its tunes, not for Neal Schon’s guitar work.

I wonder if Neal ever ponders, as I do, what happened to the destiny he seemed to be assured of, to step in line as the next guitar legend, to be spoken of in the same breath as Clapton, Hendrix, Vaughn. That never happened for him, and it’s a shame, because Neal Schon plays a legendary guitar.

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 05.30.10 @ 13:56pm


"Journey deserves to be in the RRHOF as they are an iconic band who perfected the power ballad." -loveodmusic59

"Journey had massive success with the power ballad, but they didn't invent or perfect it. You might be able to trace the power ballad to the Beatles, you might've heard of them. If not there, then you could also look at (all preceding Journey):

-Led Zeppelin ("Babe I'm Gonna Leave You", "Your Time Is Gonna Come", "Thank You")
-The Rolling Stones ("Wild Horses", which I love, and "Angie", which I hate.)
-Aerosmith ("Dream On", in 1973, often considered the first power ballad or the prototype for the power ballad. Also "Seasons of Wither" in 1974, which I don't really like, and "You See Me Crying" from 1975, which I think is gorgeous.)
-The Guess Who ("These Eyes" from 1969)
-Styx ("Lady" in 1975)
-Queen ("Somebody to Love" in 1976, "You're My Best Friend" in 1975; love those.)
-Deep Purple ("Mistreated" in 1974; underrated.)
-Boston ("Hitch A Ride" in 1976)

All of this was before Journey broke out with Steve Perry. Either way, they cannot really be credited with perpetuating or inventing the power ballad. And I believe that during Journey's heyday REO Speedwagon were considered kings of the power ballad."

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 05.29.10 @ 16:50pm (Jrnyboard)
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I went out to Billboard.com and didn't find any of those guys up there, but did find this:

Billboard Top 200
119 – This week
• 113 – last week position
• 119 – weeks on chart
• 10 - peak position
Journey's Greatest Hits / Journey

Catalog Albums
4 – This week
• 3 – last week position
• 771 – weeks on chart
• 1 – peak position
Journey's Greatest Hits / Journey

Would that have anything to do with the "way of the beast" as we discussed above?
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"Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:07 am Post subject: Most Skilled by Decade
....perry had 2 albums with journey in the 70s.... i dont know if perry did anything else in the 70s, but based on just that, he could be moved down a little dont you think ?

"He had two albums of incredible material.... And he had many many live shows and never sounded bad during the seventies. I think he was really the best singer of the 70's and should keep the first spot."

"well i guess so. i guess he has enough material to support him and of course he was a beast live. fair enough.

1. Steve Perry
2. Freddie Mercury
3. Tim Buckley
4. Rob Halford
5. Brad Delp
6. Robert Plant
7. Ronnie James Dio
8. Roger Daltrey
9. Ian Gillan
10. Stevie Wonder "




Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 05.30.10 @ 17:24pm


Good article. I'm going to explore Santana a bit deeper, and figure out which guitar bits were Carlos and which bits were Neal. I'll also check out those first three albums to hear him in full.

That Greatest Hits has sold 15 million in the U.S. alone to date, and the fact that it's popped back onto the charts is incredible. It's because people want to hear those tunes. I hear them quite a bit on the two Classic Rock stations in my area, and it's actually outsold in the U.S. any Metallica, Aerosmith, Rolling Stones, Van Halen or U2 album (though all those bands have outsold Journey.)

And I remembered now that Neal actually is a co-owner of Nocturne, the video screen company Herbie Herbert said up. From one of Herbie Herbert's interviews: "They had an evergreen catalog with probably the highest royalty rate ever on an evergreen catalog. For that mountain of money you'd throw away if you knew the value of the assets of the buildings and the properties they had me liquidate in '84. Part of what they wanted to have liquidated was Nocturne, at which point I said 'I'll buy that myself.' I had concluded and signed the deal, and then Neal Schon walked up to me and said, 'You know what, I know these guys are being idiots, and I know I'm being an idiot too, but I'm in for half on that Nocturne deal, however it's going down, however you're making it. Whatever money you're putting in or up or whatever - I'm in, I'm in, I'm in', which was probably the single smartest thing Neal Schon ever did on his own."

http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/

Posted by Sam on Monday, 05.31.10 @ 19:11pm


Sam...I can tell you right now that if it's the main riff in a Santana song, Carlos is playing it. He's another of those guitarists that you can identify just by hearing him...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 05.31.10 @ 19:39pm


Thanks for that, Gitar. The Journey "Behind the Music" episode showed him playing some mean licks with Santana, if you have the patience to wait for it to fully load.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 06.2.10 @ 19:01pm


“That Greatest Hits has sold 15 million in the U.S. alone to date, and the fact that it's popped back onto the charts is incredible. It's because people want to hear those tunes.” Sam 5.31.10

Yep, and probably should add another 1.5 million to that…
5.19.10 113 JOURNEY GREATEST HITS 4,717 5,278 -11 1,468,147

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 06.2.10 @ 20:30pm


Incredible. And I remembered now: Herbie Herbert said the reason Dunbar was kicked out of Journey was because he was a risk to the band. He had underage groupies and would serve them alchohol, so they had to get rid of him in order to avoid trouble. Possibly fired from Whitesnake for similar reasons, but who knows?

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 06.2.10 @ 21:59pm


Who is a "Vivian" in relation to Ronnie Dio? Did not find any reference at Wiki or RS.

Thanks!

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 06.3.10 @ 04:43am


Vivian Campbell is a guitarist from Northern Ireland, and a damn good one at that. He started out professionally in the NWOBHM band Sweet Savage (later covered by Metallica), and then at the age of 20 he was discovered by Ronnie James Dio. He played on the band Dio's first three albums before leaving, which wasn't amicable. As discussed, he toured with Whitesnake in support of the 1987 album, and later edited one of the solos. He was fired after the tour for what Coverdale called "negative attitude" (that's from Wiki but no citation for it.) He joined Def Leppard in 1992 to replace the late great Steve Clark and has been there ever since. I think you'll find it worthwile to check him out; he sure can play.

R.I.P. Dio

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 06.3.10 @ 18:17pm


Thanks!

I was reading on Dio's Wiki page, and Vivian is not mentioned at all. It states on his page that he's with Dep Leppard, and also joined Thin Lizzy in May 2010. He played on Lou Gramm's solo record.

Looks like Whitesnake does a lot of firing (Dunbar, Sykes, Vivian) ...

"Herbie Herbert said the reason Dunbar was kicked out of Journey was because he was a risk to the band. He had underage groupies and would serve them alchohol, so they had to get rid of him in order to avoid trouble." Sam

Seems the band said differently:
Jam Magazine Enterprises Inc., Vol 3 #43, July 1983
"We asked Aynsley to leave mostly for musical reasons," explained Valory about the events surrounding Dunbar's departure. "Without subtracting or taking away from Aynsley's talent or ability in any fashion, I would say that he, being the challenging experimental player's player he is, our change to a vocally oriented music was a little too boring for him. In other words, he was either unable or unwilling to play for the part, play for the song."
"Aynsley did a very noble job I think, a good job of recording Infinity, but in a very simple style. But after we released Infinity and went on the tour, all of the songs started getting really busy, and basically, Aynsley got bored with the new approach and he was unwilling to hold to the parts."

Herbie's always rattling about something.
On Part 4, he blames Perry for Ross' bankruptcy and almost bankruptcy and troubles of the others b/c of not touring in 84/85. He speaks of Perry as "He's got more money than god, he's got his first nickel and held the economics over their head." Perhaps he should realize that the others could/should have been as frugal as Perry.

Have you listened yet to "Next", "Journey" and I forget the other one, before Perry joined?

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 06.3.10 @ 23:01pm


Why do people prefer Steve Perry over Peter Cetera? Even Rolling Stone magazine! Steve Perry was voted in one of the greatest voices ever in Rock And Roll, and Peter Cetera wasn't.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 06.4.10 @ 13:01pm


Steve Perry has the purest talent and voice I've seen and heard -- I'm the same age as he is and I've seen a lot of music in my life. He was the best on stage. He also has the best songs ever: Lights, Don't Stop Believin' -- it transcends generations.

Posted by Martha on Friday, 06.4.10 @ 14:05pm


No I haven't listened to those, but I have to the song "Nickel & Dime" (didn't do much for me.) Herbie claimed Rush ripped that off for "Tom Sawyer"; I think he needs a hearing test. He also claimed Kansas ripped off another song ("Carry On Wayward Son"), but after the first test came up negative I won't be checking for that.

"I was reading on Dio's Wiki page, and Vivian is not mentioned at all. It states on his page that he's with Dep Leppard, and also joined Thin Lizzy in May 2010. He played on Lou Gramm's solo record."

That's the problem with Wiki, anyone can edit it. He apparently made some negative comments about Ronnie for years which rubbed people the wrong way (since Ronnie was mostly a down-to-earth, humble guy by all accounts), so probably somebody decided to remove him. That Thin Lizzy gig is basically a tribute band with some former members of Thin Lizzy. A different lineup did some touring for awhile. I'll probably be back near Birmingham in time for that show, so I may check it out. Speaking of Lou Gramm, Foreigner (a band I don't really care for) are in even worse shape than Journey commercially, though they already were when Lou Gramm quit.

"Looks like Whitesnake does a lot of firing (Dunbar, Sykes, Vivian) ..." Perhaps Coverdale has an ego problem, though I haven't actually heard anyone say anything bad about him, except mainly Ritchie Blackmore (he quit Deep Purple the first time because he didn't like the funk and soul influences Coverdale and Glenn Hughes and they were moving away from the sound he preferred. Does this sound familiar to you? In this case, his preferred sound was the guitar-driven heavy sound based on Zeppelin with wild and unpredictable on-stage jamming between all the musicians; see the album "In Rock" for examples of this.) Now why aren't they in the Hall?

As for finances, it appears they've all done fine for themselves.

And pay no attention to Roy. I keep forgetting that to speak about any arena rock act other than Chicago is taboo, and that we must all agree to praise Chicago. I wonder if he thinks about Peter Cetera while he's having sex?

Posted by Sam on Friday, 06.4.10 @ 21:05pm


"I wonder if he thinks about Peter Cetera while he's having sex?"...Sam

EEEEWWWWWW.....!!!!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 06.4.10 @ 21:25pm


My apologies for disturbing you like that Gitar, it's just certainly possible seeing has he never talks about anybody other than Chicago or Bernie Taupin, and on the rare occasion he talks about another artist he brings Chicago into it. I actually got that from this site. Shawn (or Blue or shawn mc) once said about Anonymous: "He probably thinks about Geddy Lee while he's having sex." If I gave you a heart attack with that disturbing image please foot the medical bill to upstate New York; it'll find it's way to me eventually.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 06.5.10 @ 16:54pm


"Freddie Mercury (So special on stage, falls short during attempting falsetto)" - journey 361

Are you bloody mad or just deaf? I just checked "Under Pressure" and he holds a note for about 10 seconds, while changing keys!

Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtrEN-YKLBM

From 2:22 to 2:33 - enough said.

And that high note in "Bohemian Rhapsody" which marks the transition from the opera bit to Hard Rock (Go listen to it, you'll hear what I'm talking about).

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 06.8.10 @ 16:35pm


The music is timeless -- examples:
Don't Stop Believin -- theme song of 2005 World Series Chicago White Sox;
and watch the first season of Emmy
Award winning new show Glee -- we can't get enough of Steve Perry and Journey

Posted by MARTHA A CALLAHAN on Tuesday, 06.8.10 @ 17:11pm


"And that high note in "Bohemian Rhapsody" which marks the transition from the opera bit to Hard Rock (Go listen to it, you'll hear what I'm talking about)." Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 06.8.10 @ 16:35pm
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Just reading about it and viewed it out on YouTube (41 million + views, WOW!). Person who ask this question below had an issue with "Bohemian Rhapsody" live.

"Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 Post subject: 100 Most Technically Skilled Rock Vocalist

'Could someone show me why Mercury is above Perry here? By the criteria I'd have thought Perry would be ranked above him.'"

"Updated 3/21/10
1. Jackie Wilson
2. Adam Lambert
3. Freddie Mercury (Queen, Solo)
4. Steve Perry (Journey, Solo)
5. Michael Kiske (Helloween, Solo)
6. Geoff Tate (Queensryche)
7. Steve Balsamo (Jesus Christ Superstar, Solo, The Storys)
8. Jeff Buckley
9. Tim Buckley
10. Chris Cornell (Soundgarden, Temple of the Dog, Solo, Audioslave)
11. John Farnham (Little River Band, Solo)
12. Stevie Wonder
13. Rob Halford (Judas Priest, Fight, Solo)
14. Roy Khan (Kamelot, Conception)
15. Mike Patton
16. Daniel Gildenlow
17. Brad Delp
18. Myles Kennedy
19. Jimmy Gnecco
20. Mark Boals

Vocalists are rated on their Technical Skill based on their prime ability by the following criteria.

Tier 1: Breath support, register switching, register blending, pitch, vocal runs, consistency throughout registers, volume control, vibrato control, sustain, and diction.
Tier 2: Projection, Resonance, Endurance, Range, and Versatility(Tonal/Stylistic, Technical).
For criteria breakdowns, each criterion from either tier is worth equal points. Influence and impact have no bearing on a singer's placement."




Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 06.8.10 @ 20:30pm


Well you can't do that "Bohemian Rhapsody" high note in every show can you? It would be grueling. I haven't listened to Faith No More aside from "Epic" (I'm going to), but apparently Patton's a very versatile singer. In "Epic" he raps in the verses and sings in the chorus. However, aren't we getting a bit carried away with Adam Lambert? He's only just started and somebody thinks he's #2? Come on. We agree on Perry's talent, Mercury was one of the greatest, most dynamic and influential singers and frontmen of all time, Stevie Wonder... enough said. Chris Cornell the very talented singer of one of the most vital and greatest bands of the last 20 years, Halford is one of the most important figures in metal and has influenced almost every metal singer that's followed him in some way (not to mention the power and range; I get a hard-on thinking about), and though Brad Delp wasn't particularly important he could hold and build on a high note like few others. Roy Khan and Geoff Tate are also two worthwile choices, and Ian Gillan is a strange omission... and we're ranking Lambert ahead of them after 1 album? The Sex Pistols and Joy Division had limited outputs, it's true, but they helped change the course of popular music and it took years before they got their full accolades; let's give Lambert some time before we rank him up there with the G.O.A.T.'s.

"Don't Stop Believin -- theme song of 2005 World Series Chicago White Sox;" - MARTHA A CALLAHAN

Well they knocked out the Red Sox and Angels so that's good. Go Yankees!

NP: Blur, "Boys and Girls"

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 06.9.10 @ 20:41pm


"Well you can't do that "Bohemian Rhapsody" high note in every show can you? It would be grueling." Sam
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Maybe Perry could.....

"Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: 100 Most Technically Skilled Rock Vocalist

If we were to say "flawless" for a live singer--Steve Perry is your man.

That guy was probably the BEST studio-to-live singer ever!"
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"Ian Gillan is a strange omission..." Sam

Not really - an upset fan that they're trying to appease.

"WoW Ian Gillan at 42??? Surely he is more technically skilled then the likes of Bon Jovi" (#33)

"Breath Support - Bon Jovi
Reg Switching - Gillan
Reg Blending - Bon Jovi
Pitch - Tie
Vocal Runs - Gillan
Sustain - Bon Jovi
Diction - Tie
Consistency - Tie
Vibrato - Bon Jovi

Projection - Bon Jovi
Resonance - Bon Jovi
Range - Gillan
Tonal/Stylistic vers. - Gillan
Tech vers. - Gillan
Endurance - Gillan "

"Anyway, fair enough on the breakdown, although I obviously think the gap would be wider with different criteria, I do see how there are inconsistencies in that Bon Jovi and Gillan are that far apart yet they are close by the criteria."
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"However, aren't we getting a bit carried away with Adam Lambert? He's only just started and somebody thinks he's #2? Come on." Sam

Well, he is very good and the list did say in prime with no bearing on influence or impact.

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 06.9.10 @ 22:17pm


We all acknowledge the technical skill tiers . . . but what is so much more important is what people want to hear -- the enduring popularity and love of a voice and the music -- Steve Perry, Journey

Posted by MARTHA A CALLAHAN on Thursday, 06.10.10 @ 17:41pm


JBJ's a very talented singer (or was in the 80's and early 90's before he began singing in lower pitches), but I'd give the edge to Gillan for a larger range and more power. Just go listen to the "In Rock" album. Most men would need their balls crushing to be able to pull off those screams and howls, and even then they probably couldn't hold a note quite as well. If anyone decides to factor in influence then Ian G. wins easily. He was still an absolute banshee when he was in Sabbath for one album (look up "Disturbing the Priest"). Apparently his voice is completely shot these days, but when you factor in his past style and his drinking it's understandable. How Purple are not in the Hall is something I'll never understand. Some music industry people (including Tony Iommi and Ian Anderson, or was it Jon Anderson?) collaborated with Planet Rock Radio to come up with the 40 Greatest Rock Singers. Bon Jovi came in at #12 and Gillan at #4, with Paul Rodgers (his voice has held up well) at #3, Freddie at #2 and Plant at #1 (I'd switch them to be honest). As far as the Deep Purple family was concerned with the list: Coverdale at #6 and Glenn Hughes at #25 (Perry was one spot below, and yes he should've been higher.) I guess it depends on what criteria they were using. I mean, I love James Hetfield but there is no way he's even one of the 50 best singers. And there's no way Axl Rose (great voice) beats Steven Tyler, who was actually the original.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 06.11.10 @ 19:10pm


"Maybe Perry could....."

Maybe... I just wonder whether he actually reached that high of a note. If you have tape of him getting that high I'd love to have it. I don't like Mariah Carey but she has the highest range I've ever heard (albeit I heard while she was watering down Def Leppard.)

Posted by Sam on Friday, 06.11.10 @ 19:12pm


"I guess it depends on what criteria they were using." Sam

Probably their preference as to what voice(s) they liked, and Perry, especially the early Perry voice may not have been one, thus placing him too low at #26. That early Voice was crystal clear with just a hint of rasp. Wish Perry had more of opportunity to pursue a solo career.....

"Perry's vocals are pure, spine tingling perfection. You won't get lots of raucous shouting here, mate." Sounds 3/1979

"And there's no way Axl Rose (great voice) beats Steven Tyler, who was actually the original." Sam

I believe Axl is higher than Perry on RS Top 100 Singers and Tyler comes after Perry. Just can't get over Ann Wilson not making the list. Is Mick Jagger really a great singer? And, I think Paul McCarthy is listed in top 10. I'll recheck.

Is this true?
"without counting falsetto,axl rose has 4.5 octaves." 11/'05
Gillan "It was 4.5 at it's largest, but it's like 3.75 to 4 now" 11/'05

Never mind:
"Gillan without falsetto has around 3 octaves probably, a bit less than that"
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"Maybe... I just wonder whether he actually reached that high of a note. If you have tape of him getting that high I'd love to have it." Sam

How high?

"Wed Dec 21, 2005
'Without falsetto Mercury has more range than Perry right?'
'Not sure. I know Mercury had 3 w/o, not sure about Perry.'
'did Perry have a bigger range w/o falsetto??'
'Not pretty sure about his range withut falsetto, I mean, with it he's got a bit more than 4 octaves i think.'"

"I think Range best demostrated goes:
1.Tate
2.Mercury
3.Perry (Close)
4.Gillan
5.Dickinson"
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There was a six-page'r discussion of Mercury, Perry and Lambert, and it seems Lambert may be winning:

"Great discussion. I was a little skeptical of Lambert's placement on the list when I first stumbled onto this site. However, after giving him a closer listen I'm sold." 6/12/10
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"don't like Mariah Carey but she has the highest range I've ever heard" Sam

Is this what you're thinking?
"I have a hard time believeing Mariah Carey had a 5 octave range cuz she cant go low enough."
"She doesn't have taht range. I once investigated about her voice, and even though i don't remember the exact notes, it was around 3.5-3.75 octaves."
Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:55 pm Vocalist Ranges

Mariah didn't play around, did she...
"Carey has sold more than 175 million albums, singles and videos worldwide. In 1999, Carey surpassed The Beatles' record for most weeks at number one when her song "Heartbreaker" reached the summit of the chart. Then in 2008, she passed Elvis Presley for the most number-one singles for a solo artist in the United States with 18. She also has three songs debut at number one on the Billboard Hot 100, making her the artist with the most number one debuts in the charts 52 year history." Wiki

Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 06.12.10 @ 21:53pm


Gee, so someone thinks Axl Rose has 4.5 octave range? I haven't heard him singing like Melvin Franklin lately. If "range" is a true sign of greatness, why don't we just throw Clarence "Frogman" Henry into the mix...?

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 06.13.10 @ 07:42am


SL Ballard...I really don't think anyone here is denying that Perry is a very good vocalist. Is he the best ever or does he have the best "range" ever...emphatically no! The question here is whether his solo work warrants a Hall of Fame induction...which it simply doesn't! He will forever be linked, first and foremost, to Journey. This is the only way he'd have a chance at induction...and that seems to be a hot topic of discussion. However, there isn't anyone that can take that successful body of work away from him...not even Neal Schon!

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 06.13.10 @ 07:56am


"I believe Axl is higher than Perry on RS Top 100 Singers and Tyler comes after Perry."

Yep, Axl's higher than Perry. Tyler's at #99, but should be higher. He can hit higher notes than Axl, and the whole of Appetite is based on 70's Aerosmith and AC/DC. GNR were a great band, but I don't understand why so many people view them as important and think they should be inducted.

"Just can't get over Ann Wilson not making the list."

Great singer, for sure. Don't forget about Pat Benatar.

"Is Mick Jagger really a great singer? And, I think Paul McCarthy is listed in top 10. I'll recheck."

I suppose Mick got that high for his influence, and because The Stones were able to do different styles (they started the trend of rockers doing disco), and he can actually hit some high notes (listen to "Sympathy for the Devil".)

"How high?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ&feature=fvst (4:13 mark)

Damn it, by the looks of it that might've been Roger Taylor, actually. I'll check. Ah, my bad. From Wiki: "Roger Taylor tops the final chord with a falsetto B♭ in the fifth octave (B♭5)." Okay, but Freddie's still awesome.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 06.13.10 @ 17:28pm


"Is he the best ever or does he have the best "range" ever...emphatically no!" Gitarzan

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion!

"Steve Perry is the GREATEST VOICE EVER!!!" (MR 7/'08)
--

Guess the "Wheel in the Sky keeps turning" for the Perry/Journey, and guess people are still loving that "corporate rock."

Journey's Greatest Hits
Journey
Billboard Top 200
56*
104 Last week's position
122 Weeks on chart
10 Peak

Journey's Greatest Hits
Journey (Catalog)
2*
5 Last week's position
774 Weeks on chart
1 Peak
Greatest Gainer launch visualizer*

The "DD" a/k/a "The Dirty Dozen" as they call'em:
1. Lights
2. Wheel in the Sky
3. Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin (The Voice, kinda Sam Cooke'sy)
4. Anyway You Want It (a must play)
5. Who's Crying Now
6. Open Arms
7. DON'T STOP BELIEVEN (Suicide if not played)
8. Faithfully (a must play)
9. Separate Ways
10. Stone in Love
11. Be Good to Yourself (Steve Perry)
12. When You Love a Woman (That Voice)

I think that's it, plus 4 more on the Greatest Hits CD.
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"The question here is whether his solo work warrants a Hall of Fame induction...which it simply doesn't!" Gitarzan

No Kidding!, but most of my favorites are solo on Street Talk (incl. OH Sherrie and Foolish Heart) and on FTLOSM.

"However, there isn't anyone that can take that successful body of work away from him...not even Neal Schon!" Gitarzan

Indeed!

Would be nice if Steve Perry gets in!

Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 06.19.10 @ 20:13pm


"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ&feature=fvst (4:13 mark)" Sam

Hey, is there another song with Freddie's more subtle singing, maybe just at piano?

Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 06.19.10 @ 20:25pm


"Hey, is there another song with Freddie's more subtle singing, maybe just at piano?"

Yes, "Somebody to Love" sprung to mind immediately, and Freddie did play piano on that one, and there were subtle harmonies from the rest of the band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxbFLYa0_bw&feature=related

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 06.20.10 @ 14:35pm


Then, at the Tribute Concert George Michael sang it and did very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c7x2JD_j-0&feature=related

You should also check out "Don't Let the Sun Go Down On Me", done by George and Elton John. Perfect pop song.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 06.20.10 @ 14:40pm


“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxbFLYa0_bw&feature=related" Sam

Is that subtle? Is there one of Freddie and band singing WITHOUT theatrics or was just what their shows were about, and guess people really loved it? He seems to have a nice softer side to voice, but can’t seem to hear….
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"Then, at the Tribute Concert George Michael sang it and did very well."

Wow, George quite powerful there. Can't believe same George that I listen to on "Careless Whisper." Did I read somewhere that Queen wanted him to tour with them?
--

Would you believe a while back there was a Queen's FB fan thread wanting Steve Perry to tour with them.

And, Perry was same, softer in studio and much more powerful live (have to tune him down sometimes..). Really like Perry's soulful/subtle voice, i.e. "When You Love a Woman," "such character."
--

What you think of Glee Bohemian Rhapsody w/ Jonathan Groff? Is he sounding a lot like Freddie?

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 06.20.10 @ 19:30pm


Well they were one of the first glam bands (Bowie, Slade, T. Rex, Mott the Hoople and Sweet all being ahead of them in the UK), and yeah in the 70's their show was all about theatrics and entertaining the audience. I've seen clips of them performing and they certainly put on a great show, even if critics hated them at first (even more so when second-wave punk and first-wave post-punk came along, as all those excesses were considered out of fashion.) It's pretty good, the Glee version, but it seems like they're going for the same kind of version and vibe (even production wise.) Really great harmonies... second verse beginning now. Not bad, actually, even if it doesn't rock as hard as the original. And they didn't bother trying to do Roger Taylor's high note, so loss of points there. All in all a very commendable effort.

They wanted SP to tour with Queen? That would've been interesting back in the day. I think people thought Paul Rodgers didn't work out because although he's one of the all-time greats he's from a completely different background (blues-rock), so... yeah. My guess is the mindset upon hearing the news was "really? That's like Rob Halford touring with Blur."

Posted by Sam on Monday, 06.21.10 @ 17:52pm


"Steve Perry is known in the annals of rock history as being one of the biggest a**holes to ever go platinum." from CRAVE ONLINE article by Johnny Firecloud, Mar 21, 2010

Posted by David Jenson on Thursday, 06.24.10 @ 19:22pm


That must be where the baritone part of his range comes from...

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 06.24.10 @ 21:26pm


Hey David,

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion(s).

"Steve Perry more than accomplished his childhood dream; he went on to front one of the biggest, best-selling stadium rock bands of the late 70s and early 80s - Journey. And if that wasn't enough he also launched a successful solo career in 1984 with the release of Street Talk. despite the album's massive success Steve Perry took his mother's advice and returned to Journey instead of pursuing a solo career." Off The Record, December 10 2006

'Sopranos' Finale Puts Journey Back in the Spotlight
"In order to feel good about me approving the song use, they had to tell me what happened," Perry told People magazine's Bryan Alexander. "I didn't want the song to be part of a bloodbath, if that was going to be the closing moment." "Show creator David Chase swore Perry to secrecy, then told him how he planned to end the wildly popular crime drama." Laura Coverson June 14, 2007

"Steve Perry, who fronted the band during its biggest years and is now retired, possessed a voice so remarkable that every Journey singer since has essentially been a clone." Jeffrey Lee Puckett jpuckett@courier-journal.com August 21, 2009
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"Add that to the fact that he seems to have fallen off the musical planet!" Gitarzan 7/15/08

Not until he made his mark.....

"Steve, thanks for doing what you did. You touched a lot of our souls with those vocal performances. I'm still pissed at you for quiting, but I now understand better why you did. You made your mark by being the BEST VOCALIST EVER TO WALK THE PLANET." "Cheers to Steve and what he did give to us fans." MR 11/2008

Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 06.26.10 @ 04:17am


One more thing on Freddie Mercury: Someone put his highest notes beside each other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoYz9ZT6AGU&feature=related

And check out "Freddie Mercury's Vocal Range" in the side-bar.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 06.26.10 @ 13:13pm


Also, took a listen to highest and lowest notes video, but that's studio, right? From what I've read from the ranking site there were difficulties with his replicating studio to live, thus causing him to make many improvisions. Didn't often go for the big ones?

RS 100 Singers makes reference to Perry "those high notes."

Come on Sam, there's gotta be just ONE video with Freddie singing that's not so theatrical or musical. I'd like to hear it!

And, looky, looky at whose name is shown in a comment under that vid! Guess he made a wrong turn on his Journey :).

Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 06.26.10 @ 21:11pm


Y'know, S L Ballard...I figure I could take you a lot more seriously if you'd even ONCE talk about even one other artist. Your opinions are obviously jaded and almost totally devoid of anything resembling objectivity. What if we were to start digging up everything BAD that's been said about Perry (which I know I've read plenty over the years)...my guess is you wouldn't like it much. There's a reason why people will remember the likes of Elvis and Freddie Mercury forever, while Steve Perry has pretty much turned into an "afterthought" (by his own doing, I might add) in popular music history. Comparing him to those two and a handful of others is just total nonsense...that's just the way it is. History has decided that.

Now, could you maybe force yourself to talk about someone else? No amount of words from you will ever convince at least some of us that Perry is anything more than what he is...and at this point in time that would be a "has-been"...soon to fade away altogether...

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 06.26.10 @ 21:44pm


Y'know, S L Ballard...I figure I could take you a lot more seriously if you'd even ONCE talk about even one other artist." Gitarzan 6.26.10

Like Mercury, Lambert, Abba, Def Leppard, Dio, Vivian, Temptations, Hall and Oates, Bowie, Jackson, Joy Division, George Michaels......

I believe you do take me seriously, for you initially contributed some Perry's bashings!

"Your opinions are obviously jaded and almost totally devoid of anything resembling objectivity."

99.5% of the time I post others' opinions.

"What if we were to start digging up everything BAD that's been said about Perry (which I know I've read plenty over the years)...my guess is you wouldn't like it much."

By all means, go ahead...

"There's a reason why people will remember the likes of Elvis and Freddie Mercury forever, while Steve Perry has pretty much turned into an "afterthought" (by his own doing, I might add) in popular music history. Comparing him to those two and a handful of others is just total nonsense...that's just the way it is. History has decided that."

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion(s)and likes and dislikes. If Perry has turned into an "afterthought" ("by his own doing") then so be, but that doesn't seem to be the case for many. I prefer Perry over the two aforementioned.

"Now, could you maybe force yourself to talk about someone else?"

Like the people above, and I think we were discussing Mercury. Is this board for Perry?

Really AWESOME rendition by George Michaels at that tribute.

"No amount of words from you will ever convince at least some of us that Perry is anything more than what he is...and at this point in time that would be a "has-been"...soon to fade away altogether..."

They are not my words, but words of others! Glad I got to know of him more before "he fade away altogether." Will respect him more for knowing when to bow out...






Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 06.27.10 @ 04:04am


Yep...you do have a tendency to post others' opinions...don't you have any of your own? When you do this posting, I've noticed that you go to great pains to "pick the peanuts out of the trail mix", which isn't being at all objective. While you do talk about other artists, it's only to compare them to Perry (on the Steve Perry page).

Let's compare Perry to Elvis...and see what we come up with...

"Michael Parkinson once asked the famous New Zealand soprano Kiri Te Kanawa about the greatest voice she'd ever heard, probably expecting her to name [Luciano] Pavarotti or Maria Callas, but she said, 'The young Elvis Presley, without any doubt.'

Examples...let me think! I gave this one to Sam once...let me know if you'd like a whole lot more..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8APTMRfDmKY

...and to think, he was raw and 21 years old when he recorded that!

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 06.27.10 @ 07:28am


"Elvis is the greatest cultural force in the twentieth century. He introduced the beat to everything, music, language, clothes, it's a whole new social revolution — the 60's comes from it."
Leonard Bernstein

"It's rare when an artist's talent can touch an entire generation of people. It's even rarer when that same influence affects several generations. Elvis made an imprint on the world of pop music unequaled by any other single performer."
Dick Clark


"When I first heard Elvis' voice, I just knew that I wasn't going to work for anybody, and nobody was going to be my boss. He is the deity supreme of rock and roll religion as it exists in today's form. Hearing him for the first time was like busting out of jail. I thank God for Elvis Presley."
Bob Dylan


"Without Elvis, none of us could have made it."
Buddy Holly

"Before Elvis, there was nothing."
John Lennon

"That Elvis, man, he is all there is. There ain't no more. Everything starts and ends with him. He wrote the book."
Bruce Springsteen

"A lot of people have accused Elvis of stealing the black man's music, when in fact, almost every black solo entertainer copied his stage mannerisms from Elvis."
Jackie Wilson R&B singer

"Elvis was a giant and influenced everyone in the business."
Isaac Hayes

"He helped to kill off the influence of me and my contemporaries, but I respect him for that. Because music always has to progress, and no-one could have opened the door to the future like he did."
Bing Crosby

Hmmm...now, correct me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be just a hair's difference in the people you quote compared to mine. Makes your argument look a little ridiculous, doesn't it?





Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 06.27.10 @ 07:43am


As a matter of fact, this is the last time I'll mention Elvis on this page...because Perry doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with him...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 06.27.10 @ 07:45am


I'll tell you what...maybe Perry can go to the folks at Aunt Jemima and ask to be a spokesman for them, as much as he's "waffled" about his career.

One thing that he'll definitely be remembered for is a total waste of talent. He "knew when to bow out"...what a cop-out...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 06.27.10 @ 07:59am


"Hmmm...now, correct me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be just a hair's difference in the people you quote compared to mine. Makes your argument look a little ridiculous, doesn't it?"

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 06.27.10 @ 07:43am
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Like I said EVERYONE is entitled to his/her own opinions, and as I said, "I prefer Perry over the two aforementioned." You forgot to cite the source articles and dates so I may read. Is Big Mama Thornton the original artist on "Hound Dog?" Did Jackie Wilson die penniless? Did Elvis write or co-write any songs?
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Think I may like the analyzing better....There's been a proposal (Elvis' fan) for an update of the list.

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:16 pm Post subject: 100 Greatest Live Vocalists at ddd (Elvis fan and Mercury too):

"It's so tough. But after just re-listening to some early live Perry, he's staying at #1. Patiently 1980 is just too perfect, and I much prefer it to anything I've heard from Farnham. Better improv and runs, that's for sure.

I may not care that much for Journey's commercial period (I like the early pre-Perry stuff more), but the man is just untouchable in a live setting."
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Mercury his #1 and Perry his #2 artists:
"I agree with you, Perry should stay at first place. Even if disparity is called a tie (and it should), acclaim should really be Perry's.
Also,difficulty is definitely Perry's. While Farnham scores high in disparity because he makes songs better live, his studio songs are not nearly as difficult to reproduce as Perry's."
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The Elvis fan and Mercury too:
"Plus, although Elvis does poorly in improv and difficulty, he absolutely SLAYS almost everyone in acclaim, pitch and longevity. And imo, those are the most important things. I've also included Aretha, as she certainly deserves a high placing.

1. Steve Perry
2. John Farnham
3. Jackie Wilson
4. Ronnie James Dio
5. Roger Daltrey
6. Aretha Franklin
7. Ian Gillan
8. Elvis Presley
9. Freddie Mercury
10. Jeff Buckley
11. Etta James
12. Tim Buckley
13. Adam Lambert
14. Rob Halford
15. Stevie Wonder
16. Ann Wilson
17. Adam Lambert
18. Eddie Vedder
19. Bruce Dickinson
20. Chris Cornell"

Ann Wilson finally..Yeah!
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:59 am Post subject: 100 Greatest Live Singers / Mercury is his #1

"Oh, I never said that Freddie was the best live singer (that honor belongs to Steve Perry), I initially got on this topic, because I saw comments like "Freddie s..ks/was s..t live," and "Freddie's a mediocre live singer." "Had to even up the playing field!"

Mercury his #1 and Perry his #2 artists:
"Glad you agree about Perry!"
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"As a matter of fact, this is the last time I'll mention Elvis on this page...because Perry doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with him..." Gitarzan 6.27.10

To each his own.... I'll take Perry anyday...
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"One thing that he'll definitely be remembered for is a total waste of talent. He "knew when to bow out"...what a cop-out..." Gitarzan 6.27.10

Maybe it's best to go out sane rather than overweight, doped or coked up with meds, w/o any resemblance of talent.......

"Cheers to Steve and what he did give to us fans." MR 11/2008

Gotta go!













Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 06.27.10 @ 12:52pm


"Maybe it's best to go out sane rather than overweight, doped or coked up with meds, w/o any resemblance of talent......."

Woah there. I can't not come to this page for two days without something being cooked up. Originally Steve didn't go out sane (the split in 1986 he was completely burned out), but he seems to have found peace in retirement. Personally I think Layne Staley went out the most embarassing way... dead at 34 from a speed-ball, addicted to dope, weighing at best 100 pounds, decomposing for two weeks before anyone found him... what a pathetic way for one of the greatest and most influential singers of the 90's to go. Personally I thought ABBA went out the best way... They split amicably and healthy in their prime, and their refusal to reunite has avoided them any embarassment and kept the fans' memories of them young. One that stands out for me in terms of both positives and negatives is John Entwistle... OD'd on coke at 57 in a hotel room, in bed with a stripper... Now THAT'S rock 'n' roll! (Obviously the positive was dying in the Hard Rock Hotel with a stripper.) I'll have to say, Gitarzan, I agree that Elvis' death was undignified, dying fat on the toilet addicted to prescription drugs. He did have talent though. We can discuss how various people went out if you like (applies to both of you.) As many Elvis quotes as I could find:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley

No, he didn't write his own songs, but neither did most people in that era. It wasn't until The Beatles that you HAD to write your own songs to be taken seriously, as they gave their contemporaries like The Stones and The Who the confidence to write for themselves. I don't think it's necessary to look for quotes on Freddie Mercury.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 06.28.10 @ 19:05pm


Is this so? Do you like and what particular songs are more stripped down?

“ Sheer Heart Attack”
“Funnily though, I'd say it's one of the least popular albums among Queen fans... I guess the stripped down, rawer sound disagrees with alot of fans who prefer the more theatrical/layered albums. Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:05 p" ddd
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"Originally Steve didn't go out sane (the split in 1986 he was completely burned out), but he seems to have found peace in retirement." Sam

I beg to differ for he got out to retain his sanity. He "got off the merry-go-around" (I believe he said), w/o delay, knowing he was "toast," thus proving his sanity.
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"Read about 'Live Aid' from Wiki, who may not be the ultimate authority." SL 5.27.10

“It isn't because they don't always cite sources.” Sam 5.28.10

Seems we've had discussions above about that "Wiki" so are you playing favorites now? Is all of this legit?

"http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley" Sam
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"I'll have to say, Gitarzan, I agree that Elvis' death was undignified, dying fat on the toilet addicted to prescription drugs." Sam

Glad when I came to know and read about Perry that wasn't the case. I guess a living "has been" is better than being dead with loads of accolades, huh? Lives cut short b/c proper etiquette was forsaken, is quite often the case.
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Happy Perry is "glee" b/c he lived to "see."

"Journey's Steve Perry admitted to the L.A. Times that his initial skepticism about the show has given way to, well, glee. "They really worked hard to make it their own … it's actually brought people's attention to go check out the original," he said. "It's something I never thought I'd see in my lifetime." (Coldplays New Direction.. / RS 6.15.10)
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I believe Arnel goes "word for word and note for note" like Perry on the rerecords, not making anything his own.

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 06.30.10 @ 22:17pm


“Sheer Heart Attack”

Brilliant album. "Stone Cold Crazy", "Death On Two Legs"... I guess the reason it's not as popular among fans is that they were still breaking America at that point (they would do so the following year.) They had achieved popularity in England but, likewise, still hadn't peaked in popularity. Among many critics, that was where they found a direction and focus (less Zeppelin worship and beginning the operatic stuff.) I guess as far as stripped down songs... "Stone Cold Crazy" (first thrash metal song?), "Keep Yourself Alive", "Tie Your Mother Down"... less theatrics and more rocking out.

"Seems we've had discussions above about that 'Wiki' so are you playing favorites now? Is all of this legit?"

Most of it... hang on. Here, try these:

http://www.elvis.com/elvisology/quotes/aboutelvis.asp

"Lives cut short b/c proper etiquette was forsaken, is quite often the case."

Ironically, I just watched Billy Idol's Behind the Music. A bad-ass, but also completely nuts. Ohhh, just fierce, he is.

"Is Billy Idol just doing a bad Elvis pout, or was he born that way?" - Freddie Mercury

Well, he came out of the London punk scene, which would explain all the sneer and swagger.

"Freddie Mercury was - and remains - my biggest influence." - Katy Perry. God help us. Well, I suppose not everyone you influence will be brilliant.

"If I didn't have Freddie Mercury's words and lyrics to hold onto as a kid, I don't know where I'd be... I never really had a bigger teacher in my life." - Axl Rose. Better.

I haven't actually heard any records w/Steve Perry replacements.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 07.2.10 @ 12:27pm


I gave reference points on the "Elvis Presley" page if you're interested in where the quotes came from...

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 07.2.10 @ 19:27pm


I have seen Steve Perry live several times and all I can say is - if the guy has been retired since 1998 and we are still talking about him; he must have put on a great show. What a vioce!!! And I have seen a lot of the greats - Freddie Mercury, Robert Plant, Steven Tyler. All belong in the RNR Hall of Fame. Journey came together when Steve became their singer.

Posted by Joanne on Monday, 07.5.10 @ 15:00pm


I forgot, don't forget to go online and sign the petition to put Steve Perry in the RNR Hall of Fame. You can find it under google.

Posted by Joanne on Monday, 07.5.10 @ 15:03pm


Those petitions do absolutely no good (the nominating committee doesn't like to be dictated to) and the only reason they still talk about Perry is because of Journey...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 07.5.10 @ 15:06pm


"Those petitions do absolutely no good."

Okay, will send a registered letter.
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Hey, I overlooked this scolding...Quite fickle aren't you?

"Your opinions are obviously jaded and almost totally devoid of anything resembling objectivity." Gitarzan 6.26.10

"Yep...you do have a tendency to post others' opinions...don't you have any of your own?" Gitarzan 6.27.10
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"When you do this posting, I've noticed that you go to great pains to "pick the peanuts out of the trail mix", which isn't being at all objective."

Peanuts are more discernible and objectivity is overrated.

"While you do talk about other artists, it's only to compare them to Perry (on the Steve Perry page)."

Think you're exaggerating a bit, for I sometimes peruse other artists' pages.

By the way what do mean by this, and where is that page?

"I gave reference points on the "Elvis Presley" page if you're interested in where the quotes came from..." Gitarzan 7.2.10
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"and the only reason they still talk about Perry is because of Journey..." Gitarzan 7.5.10

Correction: the only reason they can talk about Journey is b/c of Perry...
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"What a vioce!!!" Joanne 7.5.10

However it's spelled - MY OPINION is Ditto!
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Looks like someone is a bigger fan than I...

"If Perry was still performing on a yearly bases and in England (therefore it wouldnt be as big a deal seeing him live). I would pay very good money to watch a intimate TBF album performace from start to finish. I love that album so much.
Now i'd pay good money to watch him eat an apple." MR 6.25.09

Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 21:14pm


"I guess as far as stripped down songs... "Stone Cold Crazy" (first thrash metal song?), "Keep Yourself Alive", "Tie Your Mother Down"... less theatrics and more rocking out." Sam 7.2.10

Wow! that drummer in "Keep Yourself Alive." Really like "Tie Your Mother Down" - Freddie looks so cool, fully clad in white....

By the way, think I read that Brian is a pretty good singer and sing a couple of songs better than Freddie. Any vids?
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"http://www.elvis.com/elvisology/quotes/aboutelvis.asp" Sam

Had difficulty accessing it initially - thought you were playing hide and seek...

Anyway, looks like Frank Sinatra did a 360 from statements in 1950 to Elvis' death in 1977. But if my memory serves me well, I may have read similar attitudes.
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"Freddie Mercury was - and remains - my biggest influence." - Katy Perry. God help us. Well, I suppose not everyone you influence will be brilliant." Sam 7.2.10

Really, thought Katy was one of the biggest stars out there today, along with Miley, Beyonnce, Lady Gaga.... Don't you like?

Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 21:37pm


"Really, thought Katy was one of the biggest stars out there today, along with Miley, Beyonnce, Lady Gaga.... Don't you like?"

No, I don't. Well, I don't like the first two big hits she had, so no I guess I don't. I don't like what I've heard from Gaga or Beyonce either. Ditto for Miley, but she might turn out okay now that she's broken free from Disney. It's the same reason people hate Pat Boone, because he apparently took those 50's rock 'n' roll tunes, sucked the edge and excitement out of them and watered them down for the masses... Gitarzan? You probably know better than I do. I'd like to hear both your viewpoints on this list:

http://www.blender.com/lists/67198/50-worst-artists-in-music-history.html?p=1 (Boone is #18)

"Freddie Mercury was an incredibly innovative singer and frontman for the band. He was a very good friend of mine and it was my privelege to have known him for some of his life. He was very funny, extremely outrageous, very kind and he was a great musician, one of the great frontmen of rock'n'roll bands... Quite simply, he was one of the most important figures in rock'n'roll in the last twenty years. I will miss him, we will all miss him, for his music, his humanity...We will remember that Freddie Mercury was something special." - Elton John (That's good, except the admins misspelt "privilege")

"I didn't know Freddie. I only met him twice, but he had such a profound effect on me as a child. I was a total worshipper of his music. I kinda drank in everything he did." - George Michael


"Freddie Mercury was the very acceptable and positive side of pompous and big. He was like a male version of Liza Minnelli. He was this big, old character that was larger than life. I imagine the closest thing you'll ever get to Freddie Mercury is Wrestlemania, and that's including the show, the building, the people inside it and the ring!" - Joe Elliott, Def Leppard (Has cited Queen, T. Rex, Mott the Hoople, Sweet and Slade as influences.)

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 07.7.10 @ 17:02pm


Where did you get your citations?

Was rather surprised, but like what I've heard from Miley. Maybe she will get pass her Disney image...

Michael Bolton #3 (No Otis Redding, but like. Why do they pick on him?)
Lee Greenwood #9 (Huh)
Kansas #6 (saw and liked)
Air Supply (thought people liked them)
Yanni #15 (how dare they...)
Yngwie Malmsteed #14 (thought okay, think Jeff Scott Soto former Journey front was with him/them)
Latoya Jackson #11 (well)
Bad English #24 (Do Neal and Jon know this?)
Creed #23 (Really?)
Celine D. #26 (what's wrong with her?)
The Doors #37 (thought people liked them)
98 Degrees #36 (teens loved them)
Master P #48 (Really? he's everywhere)
Whitesnake #41 (Really, thought popular, thought headliners '09 Download Festival)

Let the people speak!




Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 07.7.10 @ 19:41pm


"Creed #23 (Really?)"

Well they're just dull in my eyes. A second-rate Pearl Jam combined with a second-rate Alice in Chains. Stone Temple Pilots, on the other hand, managed to combine the sounds of the two bands and get some great music out of it (then of course they changed their sound, which is one of the reasons why they're better than most other post-grunge bands.)

"thought okay, think Jeff Scott Soto former Journey front was with him/them)"

Ing-Vay? He's a talented player certainly, but many people think he doesn't have songs. Ritchie Blackmore's a better player to me, and Yngwie himself would admit that.

"thought people liked them"

I don't mind them. I give Jim his due because without him there isn't the two Ians (Astbury and Curtis), possibly no Perry Farrell, and Eddie Vedder might be a bit different.

"(Really, thought popular, thought headliners '09 Download Festival)"

Most critics haven't liked them. The stupidest thing I hear about them is when people call Coverdale just a Robert Plant wannabe; the man has one of the greatest voices of all time! "Slow and Easy", "Here I Go Again" and "Still of the Night" are excellent songs, but I have a hard time stomaching "Is This Love?" It's possible that the Blender guys liked Coverdale okay in Deep Purple though. Anyhow, they lost some credibility with me when the Alternative section of their "500 CD's You Must Own" contained no Alice in Chains, no Blur, no Suede, no Stone Roses. I hope that list had to do with personal taste and not the two I's. If it was based around the two I's then those are inexcusable snubs. "Oh Sherrie" and "Don't Stop Believing" both made their 500 Greatest Songs since 1980. Some bad picks for that list ("I Want to Know What Love Is"), but also some very good picks.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 07.8.10 @ 17:23pm


"Oh Sherrie" and "Don't Stop Believing" both made their 500 Greatest Songs since 1980."

Wonder if same list I've seen b/f. I think "Stairway to Heaven" may have been #1 on list I read.

"Some bad picks for that list ("I Want to Know What Love Is"), but also some very good picks."

Like that song, but it sounds weird, as if Lou is singing then s/one else hitting notes... Could you brace yourself, listen to it and tell me what's going on...
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Have you heard Wilco?
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Just visited Elvis' page and saw that he was inducted in 1986, same year Steve Perry did "Raised on Radio" Tour...

Also saw my name over there...

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 07.8.10 @ 22:20pm


"Wonder if same list I've seen b/f. I think 'Stairway to Heaven' may have been #1 on list I read."

Can't have been, as it's Greatest Songs since 1980. Here's the list, some great songs: http://www.blender.com/lists/68125/500-greatest-songs-since-you-were-born-451-500.html?p=1

"Like that song, but it sounds weird, as if Lou is singing then s/one else hitting notes... Could you brace yourself, listen to it and tell me what's going on..."

No can do. It's unbearably whiny and pleading to the point of being grating to my ears. Fortunately, Wiki helped me out: "The song features backing vocals from the New Jersey Mass Choir (of the GMWA), Dreamgirls star Jennifer Holliday, and the Thompson Twins. The choir appears in the song's music video." It was later covered by Mariah Carey and actually sounded a bit better to me, more natural if you will.

"Have you heard Wilco?"

I think I have, and I think I liked what I heard. I think one of their guys died last year.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 07.9.10 @ 16:24pm


"Fortunately, Wiki helped me out: "The song features backing vocals from the New Jersey Mass Choir (of the GMWA), Dreamgirls star Jennifer Holliday, and the Thompson Twins. The choir appears in the song's music video." It was later covered by Mariah Carey and actually sounded a bit better to me, more natural if you will."

Thanks a Lot! So that's what h/been irritating me so... Oh well, kinda been listening to their new album "Can't Slow Down" with Kelly Hansen and like, but pretty SURE you don't...

Don't really care for Mariah's version (too slow?), but can understand your saying it sounded "more natural", would still give the big edge to Lou though, as RS did.

"Foreigner: now with 100 percent more whistle pitches! While it's doubtful "I Want to Know What Love Is" will become the "Don't Stop Believing" of 2009, Mariah Carey takes a whack at one of our 500 Greatest Songs of All Time..." (RS 8.28.09)
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"I think I have, and I think I liked what I heard. I think one of their guys died last year."

Yep, "On May 25, 2009, former band member Jay Bennett died in his home in Urbana, Illinois" Wiki

Maybe Bragg now wants to take this back:

"Bennett called Bragg about the possibility of remixing Bragg's songs, to which Bragg responded "you make your record, and I'll make mine....."

Yep, think I liked too, need to revisit. First started paying attention maybe last year when Kuralt Sunday Morning did a special about this great band, not so big/garnering attn... And now often read about him/them in RS. RS seems to love'em.

Now, back to "Wiki," seems they have been feuding and changing players quite a bit (another Journey). Their albums, full of critical acclaim, nominated 4x grammys and won 2, but all seven seem to not have sold much over one million (big one 590K). Guess Jeff Tweedy, frontman, doesn't care much about that:

"Reprise's A&R department, however, they demanded a radio single for the album. Wilco agreed to do this "once and once only" and recorded a radio-friendly version of "Can't Stand It" at the request of David Kahne, the head of the A&R department. The single version of "Can't Stand It" failed to cross over from Triple-A radio to alternative rock stations. Consequently, the album sold only 200,000 copies, significantly less than Being There. This was despite critical acclaim; the album placed eighth on the Pazz & Jop critics' poll for 1999."

"...leading to more pressure on Warner's record labels to cut costs....the band agreed to leave the label with the master tapes of Yankee Hotel Foxtrot."

July RS article have them leaving their present label ("Wiki" reads they've been mostly indie w/labels). Guess big labels aren't what they used to be unless you're a megastar bringing in big bucks.

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 07.11.10 @ 15:29pm


Sorry about the spelling in "voice", sometimes my fingers are faster than my brain. (you can laugh) So, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame does not like to be dictated to????? What does that mean to the fans of music and musicians that just aren't Maddona? Do you believe she is on there; and Heart isn't? Oh, another dream gets shattered!

Did I ever tell you about the time I interviewed Nikki Sixx?

Posted by Joanne on Sunday, 07.11.10 @ 15:33pm


OK, before you call me on it - do you believe she is "IN" there? Once again, too fast with the fingers. LOL Got to keep your sense of humor, that's all we have left.

Posted by Joanne on Sunday, 07.11.10 @ 15:37pm


Hey S.L. - Does Steve Perry perform in England yearly? Haven't heard that one; but need to know when to book my flight.

Posted by Joanne on Sunday, 07.11.10 @ 15:41pm


"What does that mean to the fans of music and musicians that just aren't Maddona?"

Must we learn to love Madonna? Huh, whose fingers are too fast this time?
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"Does Steve Perry perform in England yearly?"

Will defer that question for Sam. Maybe he will answer quickly so we may get those bookings done.

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 07.11.10 @ 17:32pm


I am just saying, Madonna does not have that great of a voice. Yet, those who do have that great of a voice are often overlooked. Heart did so much more for women who rock and they blazed a trail. Nancy Wilson is a gifted guitarist and Ann Wilson a great lead singer. So, why Madonna and not Heart, or Steve Perry? Don't tell me, it comes down to money!!!!!!

I'm slowing my fingers down, as you can tell.

Posted by Joanne on Sunday, 07.11.10 @ 23:59pm


I am a rotten singer. So when I say Madonna can't sing; it takes one to know one. Range means everything. She and I just don't have it. That's why I love when someone can belt it out!

I am serious about England.

Posted by Joanne on Monday, 07.12.10 @ 00:23am


"Thanks a Lot! So that's what h/been irritating me so... Oh well, kinda been listening to their new album "Can't Slow Down" with Kelly Hansen and like, but pretty SURE you don't..."

No problem. I haven't heard it (the album.)

"Did I ever tell you about the time I interviewed Nikki Sixx?" - Joanne

No, but please do. The guy's so cool. He penned some balls-out songs in the 80's.

"Does Steve Perry perform in England yearly?"

As of now, he's pretty much retired. I'm pretty sure he didn't tour behind his second solo album, then he got back with Journey, and then he became a recluse after the hip injury. I haven't heard about him performing in England yearly, much less performing anywhere (though I'm pretty sure Journey played Monsters of Rock a couple of times, which was a big deal.) I actually moved to New York ten years ago and have been here since (though I'm most likely moving back in a month or so.)

As far as Heart goes: Some good music, the Wilson sisters are very talented, but if I had to pinpoint one female group as having a major impact on females to follow I'd pick The Runaways (I'll see the movie when it comes out on DVD.) As for Madonna: There are a bunch of people (including The Runaways) that should've been in before her, she's never innovated anything, she follows trends (albeit very well and smartly), and I don't think much of her music. However, she was very influential and is an international icon, so her induction doesn't make me cringe too much. You can bet, however, that her induction was partially due to the huge publicity surrounding it. That's also why Bon Jovi might be inducted but Motley Crue won't (at least under the current regime,) and why Def Leppard have a better shot than T. Rex, Slade, Sweet and Mott the Hoople, even though they were influenced by those bands.

"I am a rotten singer. So when I say Madonna can't sing; it takes one to know one. Range means everything. She and I just don't have it. That's why I love when someone can belt it out!"

Likewise, I have no range. Sometimes, however, technically brilliant people bore me (Celine Dion, Mariah Carey.) On the other hand: Jon King. Jimi Hendrix. Bob Dylan. Ian Curtis. John Lydon (Johnny Rotten.) Joe Strummer. Kurt Cobain. Michael Stipe... I may think of more at some stage. These guys are not good singers by any means (were not, in the cases of Kurt, Jimi, Joe and Ian), but they had plenty of things to say, meaningful things. Unique guys who found a lot to say in spite of their limitations. Or a guy like Steven Tyler. He's got an amazing voice, but because he's untrained he's got that certain something to his high notes that makes some people cringe, but I love it because there's that gorgeous sense of rawness to it.

"Guess big labels aren't what they used to be unless you're a megastar bringing in big bucks."

Precisely. That's why indie is the way to go. There's less of a guarantee of making money, but there's more of a chance they'll treat you fairly (way more of a chance), and you'll have creative freedom with the music (The Smiths decided what artwork would be used and what would be the next single, not Rough Trade.) To show you how great non-major label life is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsE4fisJucg

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 19:06pm


"I'm pretty sure he didn't tour behind his second solo album, then he got back with Journey"

Good you didn't bet your life on that one. Don't know how accurate or how many shows he actually did though b/c (And, before Gitarzan says "waffle") he got bronchitis (I think) and had to cancel. Then back to Journey. Didn't tour behind first solo album, but was allowed to sing couple of songs on ROR tour.

STEVE PERRY
For The Love Of Strange Medicine Released 1994
Oct. 21, 1994 Riverside Theater. Milwaukee, WI Sass Jordan
Oct. 22, 1994 Minneapolis, MN Sass Jordan
Oct. 28, 1994 Taft Theater. Cincinnati, OH Sass Jordan
Oct. 29, 1994 Music Hall. Cleveland, OH Sass Jordan
Oct. 30, 1994 Arie Crown Theater. Chicago, IL Sass Jordan
Nov. 1, 1994 A.J. Palumbo Auditorium. Pittsburgh, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 3, 1994 Fox Theater. Detroit ,MI Sass Jordan
Nov. 5, 1994 Stabler Arena. Lehigh Campus. Bethleham, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 7, 1994 DAR Constitution Hall. D.C. Sass Jordan
Nov. 10, 1994 A.J. Palumbo Center. Pittsburgh, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 14, 1994 Albany, NY Sass Jordan
Nov. 15, 1994 Massey Hall, Toronto, ONT Sass Jordan
Nov. 16, 1994 Tower Theater, Philadelphia Upper Darby, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 17, 1994 Central Maine Civic Center. Lewiston, ME Sass Jordan
Nov. 18, 1994 Orpheum Theater. Boston, Ma Sass Jordan
Nov. 20, 1994 Hershey Park Arena. Hershey, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 22, 1994 Fox Theater. Atlanta, GA Sass Jordan
Nov. 23, 1994 Jacksonville, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 24, 1994 Bob Carr Performing Arts Center. Orlando, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 25, 1994 Sunrise Musical Theater. Sunrise, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 27, 1994 Mahaffey Theater. St. Petersburg, FL Sass Jordan
Dec. 2, 1994 Municipal Auditorium. San Antonio, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 3, 1994 Will Rogers Memorial. Forth Worth, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 7, 1994 Aladdin Theater, Las Vegas, NV Sass Jordan
Dec. 9, 1994 Fort Worth, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 10, 1994 Warner’s Theater. Fresno, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 12, 1994 Speckles Theater .San Diego, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 16, 1994 Pantages Theater. Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 17, 1994 Pantages Theater . Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 18, 1994 Pantages Theater . Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Jan. ??, 1995 Seattle, WA unknown
Jan. 11, 1995 Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall Portland, OR Sass Jordan
Jan. 15, 1995 Abravanel Hall. Salt Lake City, Utah Sass Jordan
Jan. ??, 1995 Paramount Theater. Denver, CO Sass Jordan
Jan. 19, 1995 Memorial Auditorium.. Burlington, IW Sass Jordan
Jan. 20, 1995 Memorial Hall . Kansas City, Kansas Sass Jordan
Jan. 22, 1995 Veterans Memorial. Columbus, OH Sass Jordan
Jan. 25, 1995 Wings Stadium. Kalamazoo, MI Sass Jordan
Jan. 27, 1995 Shea's Performing Arts Center. Buffalo NY Sass Jordan
Jan. 28, 1995 Rochester Auditorium Center, Rochester, NY Sass Jordan
Feb. 2, 1995 Washington, DC Sass Jordan
Feb. 13, 1995 State Theater, New Brunswick, NJ. Mar. 10, 1995 Abraham Chavez Theater. El Paso, TX Bone Pony
Mar. 11, 1995 Mesa Amphitheater. Mesa, AZ
Mar. 13, 1995 Bren Events Center. University of California. Irvine, CA Bone Pony
Mar. 14, 1995 Santa Barbara, CA Bone Pony
Mar. ??, 1995 San Francisco, CA
Mar. ??, 1995 Warnors Theater. Fresno, CA
Mar. 22, 1995 San Juan, Puerto Rico

Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 07.20.10 @ 22:38pm


"and then he became a recluse after the hip injury"

Why do people keep calling him a "recluse." I think the word is RETIRED, and maybe not particularly favorable to public attention, but often does interviews. I believe one article said he did a "Salinger" (JD Salinger, who died back in January, retreated from public attn. during his popularity.)
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"Likewise, I have no range. Sometimes, however, technically brilliant people bore me"

Huh, Mercury was for the most part and is that why you don't like Perry for he's been referred to as "almost flawess live." Number 1 on their list.
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"You can bet, however, that her induction was partially due to the huge publicity surrounding it. That's also why Bon Jovi might be inducted but Motley Crue won't (at least under the current regime,) and why Def Leppard have a better shot than T. Rex, Slade, Sweet and Mott the Hoople, even though they were influenced by those bands."

So you think BJ will get in.. Who has more of a chance BJ or DL? BJ is still so popular and huge still - still filling stadiums..
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Are you familiar with Traci Guns (LA Guns), formerly Guns & Roses and was he in Motley Crue too? The Reality Show "Rock Star INXS" runner-up sang with him for a while in LA Guns (his version). Don't see or hear any talk of Traci now, and I thought he was supposedly a great guitar player.
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"There's less of a guarantee of making money"

Unless you desecrate your "Greatest Hits" to get a Walmart deal. Read that band receipts were $7.00 out of the $11.99 CD cost.

Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 07.20.10 @ 22:49pm


"Huh, Mercury was for the most part and is that why you don't like Perry for he's been referred to as 'almost flawess live.' Number 1 on their list."

What I've heard from Steve's solo work so far hasn't interested me, but I liked him in Journey (braces for my dad and brother to walk in and flame me for that.) What I meant was some of the divas (Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Beyonce... I recognize their talent, but their voices and their songs don't interest me.) I am kind of intrigued by Perry-era Journey however.

"So you think BJ will get in.. Who has more of a chance BJ or DL? BJ is still so popular and huge still - still filling stadiums.."

Excellent question. Most critics prefer DL's 80's stuff to BJ's 80's stuff (me too, though there's gems in both), and they've both mostly fallen out of critical favour past that era. Rolling Stone feels likewise (David Fricke, who I do have lots of respect for, is a huge fan, and wrote the liner notes for the "Pyromania" reissue. Both Pyromania and Hysteria made it onto the 500 Greatest Albums list, and BJ had zero appearances. Fricke is also on the Nominating Committee, which might be why DL have been previously considered for Nomination.) However, BJ have a five-word advantage: Jann Wenner and Little Steven. Both are on the Nominating Commitee and both are friendly with the band. I wouldn't be surprised if BJ were inducted, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they weren't. I don't think they should be. Yes, they have the advantage, though it'll be tougher for them after this year (no newly eligible locks this year, though there are some worthy bands.) DL may get in eventually, but it'll take time. They're a tough call, but I lean slightly in favor of inducting them. Likewise for Motley Crue, though it'll take a whole new era for them to have a chance (critically despised back in the day and there hasn't been enough of a turnaround from that except among some Hard Rock critics. Not to mention no real supporters among the Nominating Committee.) Of course, it's equally possible that they could ignore all three, especially since Van Halen's already in. Now that KISS has broken through the Dave Marsh glass ceiling they could be inducted soon, which I favour. The rest? Quiet Riot preceded all except KISS, but their 15 minutes of fame and lack of critical respect will keep them out. Ditto for Twisted Sister. Ratt have been around for as long as Motley, but lack of importance, relevance and an inability to stay in the public eye. Dokken? Likewise. Guns 'n' Roses are the only real lock out of the remainder of the scene. Bands like Poison, Cinderella, Skid Row, Warrant, Great White, Night Ranger and White Lion (some good, some not so good) were second and third wave and stand no chance of induction. (I was just going to answer your question but instead decided to do a complete rundown of the scene.) Yes, I know of Traci Guns. He was in the original Guns 'n' Roses, and there are indeed two versions of L.A. Guns touring (I've listened to that band a bit; pretty good.) He was never in Motley Crue as far as I'm aware, but he did form a new band with Nikki Sixx. They did one album.

"Unless you desecrate your 'Greatest Hits' to get a Walmart deal. Read that band receipts were $7.00 out of the $11.99 CD cost."

The Wal-Mart deal worked out well for The Eagles. What did Journey do, re-record some songs with Arnel? Are you saying that $7 out of $11.99 went straight to the band?

Posted by Sam on Monday, 07.26.10 @ 20:53pm


"I am kind of intrigued by Perry-era Journey however."

"INTRIGUED"! If only I could "turn back the hands of time." Meaning - a real sucker here for a story and probably s/not follow so. Really like that "voice" (yearning, anx, "road weariness," i.e. Faithfully), but prefer his solo work and that's basically all I listen to now, especially FTLOSM - so real. Don't like their redoing his songs... Perry seems to be such an enigma. Guess or do you know the last song he sang on in 1998 b/f bowing out gracefully?
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"Excellent question."

EXCELLENT ANSWERS - Thanks!

"Most critics prefer DL's 80's stuff to BJ's 80's stuff (me too, though there's gems in both), and they've both mostly fallen out of critical favour past that era."

"inability to stay in the public eye"

Definitely not the case with BJ. In a BJ interview on 60 minutes a while back or maybe just a short special about him, they spoke of his never really receiving critical acclaim.. But, maybe it doesn't matter if you're filling stadiums, huh? People and money talk.

Read a not so favorable review of one of Journey's CD, but the reviewer went on to say that his review didn't matter b/c record was snuggled nicely at #3 to stay or s/thing to that effect. People supported Journey no matter what reviews said and it was/is the same with BJ.

"Both Pyromania and Hysteria made it onto the 500 Greatest Albums list, and BJ had zero appearances."

Heard about those two from DL being good.

Hope to see KISS soon!

Azoff (Live Nation, also manager of Eagles and Journey) is suing Axl Rose for 1.8m and Axl is countersuing saying Azoff caused Chinese Democracy to flop in order to force a tour of original band, s/thing to that effect. Think that G&R is now with same mgr. as KISS - Doc McGhee.

"Yes, I know of Traci Guns. He was in the original Guns 'n' Roses, and there are indeed two versions of L.A. Guns touring."

Poor Traci.. Everywhere he goes they take his name (G&R, LA Guns) and kick him out supposedly, then keep his name...

RS said it was a toss-up as to which version was better, Traci or Phil, orig singer, but that was when the Rock-Star runner-up was w/Traci.

Is Traci considered great like Top 100 list material or comparable to Neal S or better?

"but he did form a new band with Nikki Sixx."

That's it.
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"The Wal-Mart deal worked out well for The Eagles. What did Journey do, re-record some songs with Arnel? Are you saying that $7 out of $11.99 went straight to the band?"

I believe the Eagles did all new material on their two CDs (for platinum one sale two counts, just like Journey). However, Journey, not being as hot as the Eagles, got the deal only if they would redo "Greatest Hits." Supposedly, Walmart only wanted 4 new songs, but band did a full CD Disc 1 and Disc 2 GH. And yes, they rerecorded (desecrated)Perry's songs with Arnel. A poster at another site spoke not so elegantly of that so I won't post it, but it's true.

Did read the band actually got $7.00 out of the $11.99 b/c Walmart aka Wally was/is interested in bringing in bodies to purchase other things. So in essence, guess the deal was reliant upon trafficking pot pies at Wally's and mooching off the "Greatest Hits."

Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 07.27.10 @ 23:23pm


"Definitely not the case with BJ. In a BJ interview on 60 minutes a while back or maybe just a short special about him, they spoke of his never really receiving critical acclaim.. But, maybe it doesn't matter if you're filling stadiums, huh? People and money talk."

Yes. The people I support for induction over BJ in the 2008 class are Pantera, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Anthrax, Slayer and The Smiths, but Stevie's dead, Pantera's forever gone, I'd be delusional if I thought The Smiths would ever reform, and Anthrax and Slayer are theater bands... so what do I know :) BJ have actually gone up in critical respect over the years. Two of the UK's main rock mags, Classic Rock and Metal Hammer, have given them major props. They made one apperance on CR and MH's 100 greatest hard rock albums, and two appearances on CR's 100 greatest rock albums, so some people out there like them. I expect Little Steven to try and push them onto the ballot. This year they have a shot, since none of the newly eligibles are locks (though some of them do fit the criteria), but after that it gets tougher. 2011 they'll face competition from Soundgarden and GNR, 2012 Jane's Addiction, Public Enemy and N.W.A. (and possibly George Michael and the Pixies.) 2013: Nirvana (of course), possibly Living Colour, and hopefully Massive Attack. 2014: Nine Inch Nails and Green Day. If they decide to keep up with this 5 inductions a year thing many people will be lost, only hurting the Hall's credibility even further.

"Heard about those two from DL being good."

Yes, IMO. Great production, lots of hooks, so if you like Journey those two could be right up your alley (though they have mostly seperate influences from Journey.) If you want polished and riff-based go with Pyromania (apparently High 'n' Dry is less polished and heavier, and their debut even more so.) If you prefer smoother songs and more polished go with Hysteria.

"Azoff (Live Nation, also manager of Eagles and Journey) is suing Axl Rose for 1.8m and Axl is countersuing saying Azoff caused Chinese Democracy to flop in order to force a tour of original band, s/thing to that effect. Think that G&R is now with same mgr. as KISS - Doc McGhee."

McGhee also managed Bon Jovi and Motley Crue to their success in the 80's (opening for KISS helped both bands.) One of my only gripes about 80's BJ is the pretense. They weren't influenced by glam, so I feel the public were kind of conned if they brought them based on their looks. Motley were glam descendants, BJ weren't. Jon is the Springsteen type, and Ritchie is blues and Aerosmith, Clapton and Zeppelin influenced. As for Axl, I don't think Irving Azoff took 14 years to make an album, dragged the Guns name through the mud by cancelling several tours, tried to get people to buy into a GNR missing several important links (the name should've been buried in the mid 90's when those links were gone), forced everyone else to sign over the bandname... rant over.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 07.30.10 @ 14:35pm


Hi Guys, Been traveling (no-not to England); and thought I'd stop by and see if Steve Perry was in the R&R Hall of Fame yet! WHAT? NO! Looks like you have been having a good discussion about the 80s. Yes, Bon Jovi will be put in the Hall, Def Lep should be, but does not seem to care; and Motley Crue should - but will not for a long time.
Interview with Nikki Sixx right after Dr. Feelgood came out. At the time he was just married (1st time), sober (1st time). and had a number one album (1st time). Motley Crue is great 80s band and still goes strong today; and then Sixx did this album called Sixx A.M. that should cement the deal that he is a great songwriter. I know he worked In "Brides" with Traci Gunns, and that was good. He has always been good with the words to a song and has twisted a line to make it interesting. Between Saints of LA and Sixx A.M.; he proved he is worth the tip of the hat from R&R Hall of Fame. Funny, at the time I interviewed him, the usually outspoken Nikki was not as outspoken, he a lot of changes going on in his life. I think this was about the time they changed Managers away from McGhee.

I agree the Runaways opened many doors for the future of women in rock. Planning on watching the DVD this weekend.

A good song "Belter" can catch the ear, but it's the heart in the voice that keeps someone listening. By the way - got tickets to see Heart they are in town 9/4.

And, Steve Perry did tour in 1994, I saw him with Sass Jordan in St. Louis.

Talk to you soon. Joanne

Posted by Joanne on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 10:52am


I'm moving back to England in 3 weeks, so I'll seek out The Runaways movie once I'm settled in. In the meantime, let me share with you THE GREATEST Bowie cover ever from, in my opinion, one of the UK's more musically overlooked bands:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a_YQXFs7Ts&a=GxdCwVVULXfSRddAJLP4rhuwZR0OeJz-&playnext=1

Then again, they are from the county I was raised in (and the town I was born in), so I am biased. If you end up liking them, I'll give you similar reccomendations. Yes, the Crue and Leppard should both be inducted. I called them both toss-ups for awhile, but right now I'm leaning in favor of inducting them.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 21:06pm


HELLO HE MADE DONT STOP BELIEVIN FAMOUS EVER HERE THAT SONG ITS LIKE A AMERICAN ATHEM EVERYONE KNOWS THAT SONG AND STEVE PERRY IS "THE VOICE", STEVE PERRY FOR INDUCTION!

Posted by John on Tuesday, 09.28.10 @ 20:21pm


Good, he can go in with Journey then.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 09.30.10 @ 13:22pm


"STEVE PERRY IS "THE VOICE", STEVE PERRY FOR INDUCTION!"

Ditto!


#600!

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 09.30.10 @ 21:28pm


"You can bet, however, that her induction was partially due to the huge publicity surrounding it. That's also why Bon Jovi might be inducted but Motley Crue won't (at least under the current regime,) and why Def Leppard have a better shot than T. Rex, Slade, Sweet and Mott the Hoople, even though they were influenced by those bands."

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 19:06pm
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Seems you were on to something.....

By Andy Greene / Rollingstone
Sep 28, 2010 10:30 AM EDT

"Later this morning, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will announce their 2011 ballot. Rolling Stone can confirm that it includes first-time nominees Bon Jovi, Alice Cooper, Tom Waits, Donovan and Neil Diamond, plus previously nominated acts LL Cool J, J. Geils Band, Beastie Boys, Donna Summer, Chic, Dr. John, Laura Nyro, Joe Tex, Darlene Love and Chuck Willis. Artists must have released their first single in 1985 or earlier to be eligible in 2011. The top vote-getters will be announced in December, and formally inducted on March 14th 2011 at the Waldorf Astoria in New York City."

Think Bon Jovi will get in at first nomination?

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 09.30.10 @ 21:49pm


Tough to say. As I said before, I wouldn't vote for them. It's debatable, but I wouldn't say their achievements measure up. They have name power working for them. I was confident Red Hot Chili Peppers would fill this category, and that this would be the year they got it (the "name artist" last year ended up being Genesis, though I still think RHCP will get in within a few years.) Think of how many tickets would be sold if Jon and co. were inducted and performed at the dinner. They also benefit from this being a toss-up year: Alice Cooper is way overdue, but he's been hanging around for years, so they wouldn't necessarily rush him in straight away. On top of that, the last time two rap acts ended up on the same ballot neither one got in; it seems the vote was split, so the same thing could conceivably happen this year. Same thing has happened elsewhere, with two disco acts on the ballot. Disco and rap are two artforms that the Hall seems reluctant to recognize, that damned "rockism" thing. The rest of them aren't big names except Neil Diamond. However, critical respect has been their Achilles heel, so that may hurt them. Alice Cooper has more, and I think most people can recognize they should be the Hard Rock man to go for. However, if forced to pick I'd say they do, but can you confirm for me whether Journey influenced them or not? I've never seen or heard them cite them but people keep saying they did. If it's true that might be the Hall's worst nightmare, them getting up there and calling for Journey to be inducted :) Jon will probably call for J. Geils to get in if the latter don't, a move I wouldn't agree with. If he wants to he can, just as long as he remembers Motley and KISS, two bands that helped them greatly in the early days...

Posted by Sam on Friday, 10.8.10 @ 11:57am


Long write-up of BJ & Richie talk of Lost Highway 10th - Nashville.... make no mention of Journey.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4906706324

But

What about this... could not copy or post the link (spam)...

The rough guide to rock By Peter Buckley

"dismissed for their slickness; yet vacuous though as they could be, they played a crucial role in the development of pomp-metal - Bon Jovi for one bear their influence."

They are NOT "vacuous." Does their pomp-metal influence carry any wait?

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That "DSB" is setting all kinds of records...

"Don't Stop Downloadin'
24th September 2010

Journey’s Don’t Stop Believin’ has passed the four million downloads mark.

The song is the first track to be released pre-2000 that has surpassed the 3m downloads mark, let alone 4m. It is an amazing story for a song that was just the 65th best selling single in the US in the year that it was originally released (in 1981).

‘Don't Stop Believin' hit the 1 million mark in paid downloads in August 2007 following a high profile spot during the finale of US TV classic, The Sopranos. It reached 2 million in October 2008. It hit 3 million in August 2009. And thanks to dire musical TV comedy Glee, which featured the song during an early episode, Journey have managed to shift another MILLION copies in just a year.

The song peaked at number 9 on the Hot 100 in the US in the week ending Dec. 19, 1981. It has sold more than twice as many digital copies as all the other songs that were in the top 10 that week combined."
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No wonder Perry may hang out at baseball games.

Posted by S L Ballard on Friday, 10.8.10 @ 21:32pm


SF Giants games? That aside, I've never heard of pomp-metal and neither Journey or Bon Jovi are metal even if we stretch the boundaries of the term. Perhaps they meant to say pop-metal, which BJ is (that's a seperate thing from metal: Bands there bear some metal influence but inject lots and lots of hooks.) That said, who in the pop-metal style is actually metal? The only one who I can think of is Motley on their first two albums, and even that might be a stretch. Def Leppard, the band credited with beginning the style (with Pyromania), are not as far as I can tell, but I'll have to check the first two albums, because apparently those are heavier. I know Foreigner and Bad Company have sometimes been called metal, but that's by people who lack a serious knowledge of the genre. Anyway, the preview to the book you mentioned (a preview on Google Books) doesn't include Journey. I guess one would have to go get the book if they really wanted to know.

Very impressive numbers for DSB, and no doubt Glee (which I haven't watched, but my cousin loves it) had a great deal to do with it.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 10.10.10 @ 13:15pm


Yep, the Giants...

"Padres beat Giants again to pull within a game of NL West lead
Updated 10/3/2010 6:32 AM |
By Jorge L. Ortiz, USA TODAY
SAN FRANCISCO — As the Journey anthem Don't Stop Believin" blared through the public address system in the seventh inning of a 4-1 game Saturday, singer Steve Perry was shown on the AT&T Park scoreboard leading cheers for the trailing San Francisco Giants."

He has many fans out there waiting and waiting....for his next solo album. Should he get his priorities straight...good he's enjoying retirement.

How did a guy who really likes the normal things in life get in a band with a guy who wants to play and play till death do him part.
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Couldn't find anything about pomp-metal either and as I realized my goof "carry any wait"(weight), my goof may be appropriate being that they've been waiting since 2000 to get in.

Thought Journey was pop-rock, but if Foreigner is called metal why not Journey.. Weren't they s/what lumped together..

Would you think LL Cool J's new hit show may propel him in this time...
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How does this look..

first-time nominees

2. Bon Jovi
1. Alice Cooper
? Tom Waits
? Donovan
3. Neil Diamond

plus previously nominated acts

4. LL Cool J, J.
? Geils Band
8. Beastie Boys
7. Donna Summer
? Chic
? Dr. John
? Laura Nyro
6. Joe Tex
9. Darlene Love
5. Chuck Willis

? need to research
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What is it with "Glee" - just pounding the charts..

By Daniel Kreps / Rolling Stone
Oct 08, 2010 10:23 AM EDT
"With six new entries on this week's Hot 100, thanks to their Britney Spears-themed episode, Glee has toppled the Beatles' four-decade-old record for most singles placed on the chart. The cast has registered 75 total singles total, surpassing the Fab Four's 71, the BBC reports. Only Elvis Presley (108 singles) and James Brown (91) have scored more. But even those two icons might see their records fall by the end of Glee's second season: the show's Michael Jackson episode will reportedly air after Super Bowl XLV."

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Trying again..

http://books.google.com/books?id=7ctjc6UWCm4C&pg=PT557&lpg=PT557&dq=journey+influenced+bon+jovi&source=bl&ots=YCqlCqWFH9&sig=DFW15FHd3rvmZzGfuwNn2EB_1gc&hl=en&ei=cNKvTNmPMMLhnAeJ3MjyBQ&sa=X&oi=book_re#v=onepage&q=journey%20influenced%20bon%20jovi&f=false

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 10.10.10 @ 19:35pm


"Thought Journey was pop-rock, but if Foreigner is called metal why not Journey.. Weren't they s/what lumped together.."

I don't know, I just know neither were metal in the slightest. Perhaps Foreigner were considered heavy for their time, but one listen to the first four Aerosmith albums (particularly "Rocks") or "Van Halen" or "Let There Be Rock" or "In Rock" or the first four Zeppelin albums or the first six Sabbath albums shows that to be an absurd notion. Yes, Foreigner and Journey were both stadium rock acts at the same time, and both were called corporate rock (a terrible term.) Other acts that got that title from critics were Boston, Styx, Toto and REO Speedwagon.

"Would you think LL Cool J's new hit show may propel him in this time..."

I think he will get in eventually, and I'd have no problem with that. I just think the Beasties should go in first. I'd also put Afrika Bambatta in first, but it looks like his window of opportunity might be closed. First-time nominees: Bon Jovi, Alice Cooper, Tom Waits, Neil Diamond and Donovan. Previously nominated: LL Cool J (second nomination,) Beastie Boys (second,) J. Geils Band (third,) Donna Summer (fourth or fifth, I think, Dr. John (?) Laura Nyro (second I think) Joe Tex (third?) Darlene Love (third? fourth?) and Chuck Willis (second or third.)

Found it. Apparently SP was influenced "by an unsteady alliance of Ozzy Osbourne and Sam Cooke." It says the same thing you quoted, but there's no such thing as "pomp-metal." If they're referring to the hairbands then it's not true. Bon Jovi and Def Leppard MIGHT have drawn from them but if they did they've never actually stated it to my knowledge (the latter in particular were drawing mostly from UK glam.) In fact, an excerpt from "Justice for all: the truth about Metallica" by Joel McIver: "This movement, latterly known as glam metal (or less politely, hair metal and poser metal), was kickstarted by Motley Crue's debut album Too Fast For Love. Released in November 1981, it attracted enormous attention from fans who were tired of the slow, antiquated chart-rock typified by bands like Journey." Even the second and third-wave hair bands, which were partially responsible for the downfall of the scene due to overdoing the ballads and lacking an edge, don't seem to have taken much from any of the "corporate rock."

Posted by Sam on Monday, 10.11.10 @ 13:32pm


"if Foreigner is called metal why not Journey"

Anyone who calls Foreigner "metal" doesn't know a damn thing about metal.

Posted by Ralph on Monday, 10.11.10 @ 13:45pm


Did I goof again...was giving my predictions on who gets most votes: Think Alice Cooper will be #1....

"How does this look..

first-time nominees

2. Bon Jovi
1. Alice Cooper
? Tom Waits
? Donovan
3. Neil Diamond

plus previously nominated acts

4. LL Cool J, J.
? Geils Band
8. Beastie Boys
7. Donna Summer
? Chic
? Dr. John
? Laura Nyro
6. Joe Tex
9. Darlene Love
5. Chuck Willis

? need to research"
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"was kickstarted by Motley Crue's debut album Too Fast For Love. Released in November 1981, it attracted enormous attention from fans who were tired of the slow, antiquated chart-rock typified by bands like Journey.'"
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Guess people weren't/aren't too too tired of it...

Journey's "Escape" from 80/81 went on to sell over 9 million and "Frontiers" 81/82 over 6 million. And "Raised on the Radio" 1986 over 2 million. Then Journey throws in the towel for almost 10 years, comes back in 1996 with "Trial By Fire" that debuts at #3 and sells over 1/mil b/f the year-end, and comes back in 2008 with quasi-platinum "Revelation" that debuted at #5.
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"don't seem to have taken much from any of the "corporate rock."
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I guess not, Mr Joel McIver, with the "greatest karaoke anthem of all time"

Oct 13 2010 04:33 PM ET
TBS orders 'Undercover Karaoke' pilot: Who should sing?
by Keith Staskiewicz
Categories: Made Us Think

"What does Steve Perry sing at the end of a night of karaoke? It would seem narcissistic of the former Journey frontman to belt out “Don’t Stop Believin’”, but why should he be forced to give up finishing off the evening on an epic note with the single greatest karaoke anthem of all time just because he happens to be the one who wrote it? It doesn’t seem fair."

And over "4 million downloads"

"The song peaked at number 9 on the Hot 100 in the US in the week ending Dec. 19, 1981. It has sold more than twice as many digital copies as all the other songs that were in the top 10 that week combined.'"
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If "DSB" continue to go "on and on" maybe that will help Journey's case..
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Motley Crue...wiki

"sold more than 80 million album copies worldwide,[1][2] with 25 million in the U.S.[1]"

so has Journey with over 47 mil in U.S
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"The band members have often been noted for their hard-living lifestyles, and the persona they maintained. All members have had numerous brushes with the law, spent time in jail, suffered from alcoholism, long addictions to drugs, had countless escapades with women, and are heavily tattooed"

Why must Journey be punished for being good guys... or as Perry has said "considered not cool"
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Hey Sam, I like your process of determination cited by s/one on the Journey page...

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 10.13.10 @ 19:21pm


"I'm moving back to England in 3 weeks"

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 21:06pm
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Safe travels, hopefully!

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 10.13.10 @ 19:29pm


"Anyone who calls Foreigner 'metal' doesn't know a damn thing about metal." - Ralph

Very true, my friend.

I do think Alice Cooper will get the most votes. Despite the Hard Rock barrier, he's second only to the Beastie Boys in critical respect among this lot (his critical respect is mostly serious), he's part of the Classic Rock era which plenty of people love, and he was gracious about his nomination (more gracious than I'd be if I'd been unfairly passed over this long) so he could very well show up and perform. Donna Summer and Chic could cancel each other out. Beasties will beat out LL Cool J, Bon Jovi's success should get them in... that's 3 inductees. God, I don't know.

"Guess people weren't/aren't too too tired of it..."

I think he was writing in the context of Hard Rock/Metal fans. I guess he was saying they wanted something raw and rocking. It was kind of a cross-roads time there... it's hard to explain. I wasn't around at that time, so I just have my revisionist viewpoint as to what was going on.

"Then Journey throws in the towel for almost 10 years, comes back in 1996 with 'Trial By Fire' that debuts at #3 and sells over 1/mil b/f the year-end"

Although they weren't as big as they were in the early 80's they could've been huge if they didn't break up. The come-back might've been huge if not for Perry's injury. The first couple of post-Perry albums did nothing, and then this resurgence.

"Oct 13 2010 04:33 PM ET
TBS orders 'Undercover Karaoke' pilot: Who should sing?
by Keith Staskiewicz
Categories: Made Us Think"

Is he appearing on a show then?

"If 'DSB' continue to go 'on and on' maybe that will help Journey's case.."

Perhaps. It wouldn't bother me if they did get in, but you'll need some new blood in order to make that happen. Clearly this Nominating Commitee isn't interested in them. Since critical respect has come upwards a bit in recent years who knows what would happen if they were nominated? However, there is one thing that helps their cause a bit: Last month VH1 did a new 100 Greatest Artists list, an upgrade (well, partial updgrade and partial downgrade) of their 1998 one. Journey came in at #96 on that list. Since I'd already moved I wasn't able to watch the show, but my guess is a mixture of critics, fans and musicians voted. Apparently on Journey's segment Corey Taylor from Slipknot and Jonathon Davis from Korn gave them props; you cannot get much musically different from Slipknot and Korn than Journey. So there is that (the list itself is inconsistent and sometimes maddening but I would check it ou; just go to the Immortals page and you'll see it.) Combine the commercial resurgence, the many lives of DSB and this list placement, and what conclusion can you draw? That Journey is, much to some critics' dismay, one of the older bands that actually means something to the younger population. That says a lot. It didn't do them any favors with the Hall this year, but further down the line who knows?

"Hey Sam, I like your process of determination cited by s/one on the Journey page..."

Eh? What did I determine? I determined alot of things on that page. The move was just fine, thanks.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 10.15.10 @ 10:31am


"Why must Journey be punished for being good guys... or as Perry has said 'considered not cool'"

Well, according to Herbie Herbert, Schon did do some coke and drinking and womanizing. So there is that. I suppose that kind of behavior makes for interesting writing. Though the Crue were loved by many people for that kind of thing because it made them even more interesting plenty more hated them for it and viewed them as posers; this was especially true among the hardcore metal fans. Motley may have thought themselves the hardest guys in the world in the beginning, and they certainly weren't the type of guys you'd invite home for dinner with you, but then they began to really break nationally with Shout at the Devil and got a place opening for Ozzy, and he was so out of control on that tour that even they were scared. Zeppelin and the Stones really wrote the book on rock debauchery, and the Stones were doing some of that stuff while half of the Crue were learning to read and write. I think lack of scandal may be hurting Journey, I'll concede that, but I think it's more down to critics. It takes alot for a band to be despised by critics during their heyday and still make the Hall, and not many have done it. Journey weren't the first band to not be considered cool in the eyes of the critics, and they certainly won't be the last (it's worth noting that Motley have an even more lackluster critical reputation than Journey do, so trying your hardest to be bad-ass doesn't always get you points.) Several people who didn't take part in that kind of behavior and were farely uncool guys are still in the Hall (see The Dave Clark Five, Elvis Costello, U2, Crosby Stills & Nash, The Hollies, Percy Slege, Pink Floyd and R.E.M. There might be more.)

As far as sales are concerned: According to something someone posted on Wikipedia Motley have sold approximately 50 million records worldwide, Journey 75 million.) The biggest two sellers are of course Elvis and The Beatles with something in the region of a billion records sold.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 10.15.10 @ 10:58am


Long ways from home, are you? Anyway, here are some articles you might enjoy reading….
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Paul Liberatore: An incredible journey for band's new frontman
Posted: 12/27/2007 11:52:55 PM PST

“My source told me the erstwhile superstars were also re-recording their classic '80s hits, trying to make them sound as close as they can to the originals, which had been sung in Journey's heyday by the golden-voiced Steve Perry’
Journey guitarist Neal Schon, who wants the band to get back to what it used to sound like in the Steve Perry era, gets the credit for finding Pineda.
From Pineda's perspective, he's not trying to be Steve Perry, one of his idols, but he's trying to sound as much like him as he can.’
‘We have to make sure the hard-core fans will be satisfied listening to the songs,’ he said. ‘They're so used to Steve Perry's voice, so we have to be really close to how Steve Perry has done it. That's the hardest part.
‘Anytime Steve Perry wants to walk in, I would be glad to step out,’ Pineda added. ‘It's his right. It's his band. I'm just here to celebrate the legacy of Journey."
Paul Liberatore can be reached at liberatore@marinij.com
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"Revelation – Nomota
Tony Soprano’s favorites return with a new singer who won’t stop believing.

IF A BAND STICKS around long enough, its turns into a tribute band. For years, Journey have slogged around the oldies circuit with a rotating cast of singers trying to impersonate Steve Perry, who belted out the group’s Seventies and Eighties hits. But this double-CD set, which also includes a live DVD, features the most unlikely Perry sound-alike yet: Arnel Pineda, a 40 –year-old Filipino who spends an entire disc delivering note-for-note remakes of classics like “Don’t Stop Believin.’” On the second disc, Journey also pull off a tribute-band coup: some damn good originals. With guitarist Neal Schon in tow, the riff-heavy “Change for the Better” and the ballad “like a Sunshower” hew to the formula that served the group well back in ’81: Start with stately keyboard arpeggios, flavor with guitar heroics, top off with warbling, high-tenor choruses. It’s pure schlock, but the craftsmanship is formidable, and there is undeniable pleasure in young-lovers-battling-the-odds arias like “Faith in the Heartland.” The message remains the Same: Hold on to that feeling." (Rolling Stone July 10-24.2008, p108)
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"Charts Top 40 Albums
Journey Believe
Journey’s Wal-Mart exclusive with Filipino Steve Perry soundalike Arnel Pineda – sold 89,240 copies its first week. The set includes a live DVD, a disc of new songs and a disc of rerecorded hits." (Rolling Stone 7.10-24.2008 p110)
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guardian.co.uk/music/2009/nov/05/journey-back-in-charts
Series: Jude Rogers on music
guardian.co.uk 11.05.2009
Why is Journey's Don't Stop Believin' back in the charts?
The 17th bestselling track in the country is the power ballad Don't Stop Believin' from 1981. How did Journey get so popular?

“This isn't because of Journey's sterling work. The American FM rock band –put together in 1973 by former members of Santana – have spent recent years gigging quietly around the world since their US chart pomp more than a quarter of a century ago. Don't Stop Believin's is in this week's charts because of its appearance on last weekend's X Factor. This week, baby-faced beauty Joe McElderry sang the song for the show's Rock Week, and in doing so spoke directly to "smalltown girls" living in "lonely worlds", many of whom picked up their mobiles and kept him in the contest.

This gave Steve Perry's classic American narrative about finding hope in the streetlights a new, oestrogen-fuelled twist; it also inspired 7,000 viewers to find the original online, and click "buy".”……
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nypost.com/p/entertainment/music/believin_one_W1Tv6f7blCuLDjDbH52IOP
Believin’ one song’s Journey
Story of the hit that won’t die
By REED TUCKER / New York Post
Last Updated: 8:22 AM, May 23, 2010
Posted: 11:04 PM, May 22, 2010

“The phrase came from my father,” Cain says……

From there, Perry mostly dictated the structure.

“He worked backwards,” Cain says. “He said, ‘You need to start this thing like it’s going somewhere. Give me some rolling piano.’ So I started playing.
Then I think Neal came up with the bass line.
Steve scat on that.”
Schon then added his urgent, 16th-note arpeggiated guitar riff, played on a Les Paul, after Perry suggested he needed to sound like “a train.”
The next day, Cain went over to Perry’s house, and the two wrote the full lyrics about a “small-town girl” and a “city boy.”
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Vistaprint: A Distant Vision
by: Scott Wachsler August 09, 2010 | about: VPRT

We admit it, for many of you, we are about to bring back a few memories, and just maybe, create a few new ones.
How many remember the band Journey? Hmmm..that's more than we thought. Okay, how many remember the song Faithfully? Wow, we are impressed.
Imagine you and another at a Journey concert in the early 80s. Steve Perry starts to sing Faithfully. The crowd starts to lip sync with Perry and all of sudden it isn't two people lost in the music, it's one person living the music.
Who would have thought that the next 25 years would pass that fast? I know at Wax Ink, those days seemed such a short time ago.

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 10.17.10 @ 17:56pm


“Although they weren't as big as they were in the early 80's they could've been huge if they didn't break up. The come-back might've been huge if not for Perry's injury. The first couple of post-Perry albums did nothing, and then this resurgence.” Sam

Yeah, scored platinum in ’96 w/o touring… So ironic how critics bashed, but fans seem to just love/crave their music. It was said on one board that their new album “Revelation” is second only to Eagles album for best sales at Wally’s. Anyway, if Perry could have returned I believe even now they could be huge for fans seem to stick with them, but fans are so divided now.

September 4, 2010 / SPOL
“Steve, as a 36 year old man who certainly grew up in the 80′s…I have only three musical wishes. I saw The Police reunite ( which was never gonna happen ) and that came true. I saw it with my own eyes and cried the first 2 songs…
I hope that The Cars will reunite with Rick, but who knows…
I, as well as everyone I know, pray that Journey will tour again with Steve Perry…
Gents., we’re gettin old…you guys ARE old…Let’s do this already!!
Your loyal fans will pay top $$
If the Police can do it; why can’t you guys ?
WTF ??”
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"Oct 13 2010 04:33 PM ET
TBS orders 'Undercover Karaoke' pilot: Who should sing?
by Keith Staskiewicz / Categories: Made Us Think

“Is he appearing on a show then?” Sam

Don’t think that’s exactly his cup of tea. Still seems to be deciding on whose song.

"http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/10/13/tbs-orders-undercover-karaoke-pilot-who-should-sing/
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“That Journey is, much to some critics' dismay, one of the older bands that actually means something to the younger population. That says a lot. It didn't do them any favors with the Hall this year, but further down the line who knows?” Sam

Mighty fine words, pretty sure the guys would be thrilled to hear them.

And Perry these too, for he’s said “for the fans not critics.”

July 25, 2010 / SPOL
“Hey Steve Perry, im only 20 years old but with my love for music and for Journey… there is only one wish i would like to come true….please please please reunite with your former band i was born in 1989, and i never got to see you guys perform, just do a ten song set or hell even one song, just make sure it”s faithfully, you are the reason i love Journey, and hopefully in the future maybe i will be able to see the voice in person.”

September 8, 2010 / SPOL
“Steve Perry, I remember seeing you in We Are The World and I asked my dad, who’s that guy, as I’m a little older now, I am able to listen to Journey and understand how special you really are, your stage presence and the voice are unmatchable, I respect you as an artist, and I miss you in Journey but respect that everything can’t last forever, I’m only 15 but I miss Journey, I hope to see you one day performed, your modesty have inspired me because I sing as well and it taught me to pick my battles well, to be original ad that I can’t always fit in, so I make my own rules, I saw behind the music on VH1 and how you said you don’t feel apart of the group and people didn’t understand, I do, I know what’s it’s like to be in something and feel somewhat trapped or put aside, to like one part of something and not the other and to wonder is this really for me, we face those problems everyday living in America, but all I can say is the voice is something all rock artist should fear, I think that music is great because no matter how old it gets, somebody is always discovering it, thank you Steve for giving us songs like Foolish Heart, Lovin’ Touchin’ Squeezin, and the long hair what I consider the Perry-do! One thing is also respect is how you didn’t get caught up in the rock star thing, you wanted a normal private life, which makes you my favorite Rock Star of all time!”

and it “goes on and on and on”
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“Eh? What did I determine? I determined alot of things on that page. “ Sam
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“I'm in favor of their induction, but they're somewhat borderline. I figured I'd do a Keltner analysis and break things down”
Sorry, for #12 I meant Journey, not AIC. I got the Keltner analysis off of Sam's post on AIC lol.”

Posted by Jimbo on Friday, 09.3.10 @ 21:43pm
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Well, I guess it came from Keltner...

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 10.17.10 @ 18:15pm


"Long ways from home, are you? Anyway, here are some articles you might enjoy reading…."

I'm at a temporary home. Next year I should have a permanent home.

How many bands that were scorned by critics in their heyday have made the Hall? Well, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Van Halen and The Velvet Underground (and maybe AC/DC, Genesis and Aerosmith.) Bon Jovi and Alice Cooper (actually I'm not sure what the reaction was to him) are close to joining those ranks. KISS came close last year.

I pulled the Keltner analysis from another site, where someone else was using it for the Hall. Apparently it's based off the analysis used for the Baseball Hall of Fame (great visit.)

I haven't been to that many shows. I went to a prog show at the Electric Factory in Philly last year and yes that anthemic sing-along with the crowd thing does give you a hard-on. I saw Merle Haggard at a festival this summer, and that was a religious experience. As far as Glee is concerned, I haven't watched it yet but my cousin loves it. Although it's been described as kind of lightweight, apparently it's not all it appears. I've heard in some circles that it's just as much Waterloo Road as it is American Idol (check the comments section here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/oct/13/glee-gorillaz-damon-albarn. I adore what you've accomplished Damon but aren't you forgetting about your original band, who should do a new album?)

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 10.21.10 @ 05:40am


"I've heard in some circles that it's just as much Waterloo Road as it is American Idol (check the comments section here: guardian.co.uk/music/2010/oct/13/glee-gorillaz-damon-albarn"

"The Gorillaz and Blur frontman claimed the US TV series would be "forgotten in a few years" and that he would not allow his music to be used on the show."
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Sir Paul is doing it....so maybe there's just a "Blur" (or fur) in the way of the "Gorillaz"/s’ clear thinking..

Were all the good names gone when their pick out of the hat came around....

nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2010/08/03/2010-08-03_paul_mccartney_sends_glee_creator_ryan_murphy_beatles_songs_for_show_susan_boyle.html
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"Apparently on Journey's segment Corey Taylor from Slipknot and Jonathon Davis from Korn gave them props; you cannot get much musically different from Slipknot and Korn than Journey" Sam 10.15.10

Journey performed at 2009 Download Festival and I think Slipknot and Korn were headliners or at least Slipknot was headliner.

Blazing "DSB" kinda bringing recognition to them...
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“How many bands that were scorned by critics in their heyday have made the Hall?”

Queen too....

Do you think staffing changes, etc. with bands affect entry subconsciously with the committee?

Where do the "Eagles" fit in the scheme of things?
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Looks like part of this guys wishes are coming true..

September 4, 2010 / SPOL
"Steve, as a 36 year old man who certainly grew up in the 80′s…I have only three musical wishes. I saw The Police reunite ( which was never gonna happen ) and that came true. I saw it with my own eyes and cried the first 2 songs…
I hope that The Cars will reunite with Rick, but who knows…
I, as well as everyone I know, pray that Journey will tour again with Steve Perry…
Gents., we’re gettin old…you guys ARE old…Let’s do this already!!
Your loyal fans will pay top $$
If the Police can do it; why can’t you guys ?
WTF ??"
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By Daniel Kreps / Rolling Stone
Oct 22, 2010 12:51 PM EDT
"The rumors floating around since July have finally been confirmed: After a 23-year break, the Cars have reunited with original frontman/songwriter Ric Ocasek and are working on their first album together since 1987's Door to Door."

Do you like the Cars..
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"I'm at a temporary home. Next year I should have a permanent home."

Hang in there – just a few months to go!
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Is this applicable...

“Just small town girl (boy) living in a lonely world, took a midnight train going anywhere...”

Is this where I say “DSB”

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 10.24.10 @ 16:56pm


"Sir Paul is doing it....so maybe there's just a 'Blur' (or fur) in the way of the 'Gorillaz'/s’ clear thinking.."

My dad can't stand McCartney. He likes The Beatles, as most of us do, but doesn't think his solo career amounted to anything. However, that aside... too big to make a new Blur album Damon? Come on, give everyone a call and do just one more. Think Tank was almost unlistenable, so surely with Coxon back in the fold one more album wouldn't be a bad thing...

"Journey performed at 2009 Download Festival and I think Slipknot and Korn were headliners or at least Slipknot was headliner."

It was Slipknot. I forgot about Queen being critically detested back in the day. I also forgot about Genesis, Van Halen, The Hollies and The Dave Clark Five.

"Do you think staffing changes, etc. with bands affect entry subconsciously with the committee?"

It's possible. The name Black Sabbath was kept going by Iommi for years, through multiple lineup changes, and the original four ended up being the only ones inducted, though I think Dio and Appice should've gotten in as well. I don't think that's what kept them out for years, but that's just one example. In the case of Journey it might be a bit confusing:

The stadium rock lineup of Perry, Schon, Cain, Valory and Smith: All of them should get it. Gregg Rollie and Anynsley Dunbar should as well, as they were founding members. There have been quite a few other Journey lineups as well, and which of those lineups, if any, should be recognized? On the other hand, Bon Jovi has been nominated, and that's easy: If and when they get in, it's merely a decision of whether or not you recognize Alec John Such (I probably wouldn't: He was around for the first 11 years, yes, but he was an average bassist and was of absolutely no importance to the band. He didn't write anything, and you could stick me back there as a replacement [no I don't play bass, but still] and you wouldn't know the difference.) Similarly, Blur have had only two different lineups ever (the second one from 2002-04 without Graham Coxon,) so that's not the thing which makes their chances for induction (when they become eligible in 2015) borderline at best.

"Where do the 'Eagles' fit in the scheme of things?"

Nowhere. They were inducted in 1998, and the members inducted were: Felder, Frey, Henley, Leadon, Meisner, Schmidt and Walsh. Fairly easy, that one.

I've never been able to get into The Cars. I appreciate that they're good at what they do, but their music has never grabbed me or moved me like some of their new wave contemporaries (INXS, at least the INXS singles, The Police, New Order, The Cure, Echo & the Bunnymen, Eurythmics, Joe Jackson and some others.)

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 10.27.10 @ 12:22pm


"Nowhere. They were inducted in 1998, and the members inducted were: Felder, Frey, Henley, Leadon, Meisner, Schmidt and Walsh. Fairly easy, that one."

Happy to hear! Those guys played for over 3 hrs and were simply fantastic! Can see why they sell so many records. Those fans LOVED LOVED them....

They probably won't make any great singers list (or did they), but they bring to mind a post of yours above about singers using what they had.... Gotta find that...

Don't get it...why did Perry's voice suffer so. Guess "Eagles" songs weren't as strenuous on vocals..

Who did they influence, etc....
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Now "Heart" or did I miss their induction...
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"There have been quite a few other Journey lineups as well, and which of those lineups, if any, should be recognized?"

Weren't too productive with Steve Augeri, but the guy was with the band from 1998-2006 or '07.

Deen, the drummer, been with them since 1998..

There was a Tichenor(?) that started out with them, I think...

Any chance of the "Dawg" Randy Jackson, getting in...

Think Perry would show up?
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Have you seen or heard about this...

Steve Perry's Giant Resurgence
Journey's Steve Perry is back in the spotlight in part thanks to the Giants
By LORI PREUIT
Updated 3:00 PM PDT, Thu, Oct 28, 2010

nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/Steve-Perrys-Giant-Resurgence-106126148.html
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Is format of my above-post different or is it "just my imagination"...

Posted by S L Ballard on Friday, 10.29.10 @ 22:11pm


"Who did they influence, etc...."

Who did Journey influence, you mean, or The Eagles? The Eagles were one of the first country-rock bands, and are highly influential even today (Sheryl Crow, for example.) The "country" you hear on the radio today may not be very good, but influence is influence (something that some people don't get.) The point is it's a succesful template that was copied many times over. They had great harmonies as well.

"Now 'Heart' or did I miss their induction..."

Heart are not in. To see who is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees

With the exception of a couple of picks they've pretty much gotten it right with who they have inducted. It's who they haven't inducted that's the cause of criticism (for me, at least.) Anyway, Heart: I like some stuff, and they are talented. I don't necessarily view them as a major oversight, but I wouldn't be opposed to their induction. Apparently Alice in Chains and Soundgarden have cited them, and when two of the best bands of the last 20 years cite you (if not all time) then there's something to be said for that. I'll post a full snubs queue once the inductees have been announced.

"Any chance of the 'Dawg' Randy Jackson, getting in..."

If Journey gets in? Highly unlikely, since he was there for only one album, and not an album which affected their legacy in any way. His best hope might be as a sideman, though all the time he's been on American Idol may have ruined his street cred a bit; I don't know.

"Think Perry would show up?"

Would any member show up, is what I'm curious about. They were passed over eight times before Perry's appearance on the Rolling Stone list (which Randy Jackson probably played a large part in; when talking about him for the list he called him second only to Robert Plant as far as rock singers are concerned.) Since Rolling Stone has a large hand in the Hall, with Wenner heading the whole process and several RS writers (including David Fricke, one of the guys there I genuinely respect) being on the Nominating Committee (and probably some RS connections among the 500 voters), some people took that list appearance as a sign that the Hall was changing their minds on Journey. Two years (and three nominations processes) later, that hasn't happened, with Journey still waiting to be brought into discussion for Nomination. They've had to fight for respect from the rock establishment for years, so at this point they're probably just shrugging it off or are resigned to it, if they ever cared at all. Herbie Herbert's still Neil's pal, and in that one interview he expressed his frustration over them being passed over time and time again.

Interesting article there. Clearly he'll have plenty of support if he decides to make a comeback. I'm a Yankees fan myself. George W. is a Rangers fan, and so is Kelly Clarkson... so I'll say go Giants. Oh dear, Nancy Pelosi's a Giants fan. Good DSB remake though, and they can win it tonight.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 11.1.10 @ 14:18pm


Oh, and the full list that Journey appeared on:

1.The Beatles
2.Michael Jackson
3.Led Zeppelin
4.The Rolling Stones
5.Bob Dylan
6.Jimi Hendrix
7.Prince
8.Elvis Presley
9.James Brown
10.Stevie Wonder
11.Bob Marley
12.David Bowie
13.The Who
14.Nirvana
15.The Beach Boys
16.Madonna
17.Queen
18.Pink Floyd
19.U2
20.Marvin Gaye
21.Bruce Springsteen
22.The Clash
23.AC/DC
24.The Velvet Underground
25.Chuck Berry
26.Neil Young
27.Aretha Franklin
28.Elton John
29.Radiohead
30.Aerosmith
31.John Lennon
32.Black Sabbath
33.Guns N' Roses
34.Tina Turner
35.Johnny Cash
36.Paul McCartney
37.Fleetwood Mac
38.Sly & The Family Stone
39.The Kinks
40.The Police
41.Van Halen
42.Metallica
43.Ray Charles
44.Joni Mitchell
45.Al Green
46.Ramones
47.Jay-Z
48.Rage Against The Machine
49.Parliament-Funkadelic
50.Sade
51.Billy Joel
52.Beyonce
53.Little Richard
54.Public Enemy
55.Peter Gabriel
56.KISS
57.Iggy & The Stooges
58.Cheap Trick
59.Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
60.Whitney Houston
61.Cream
62.Genesis
63.Notorious B.I.G.
64.Talking Heads
65.The Doors
66.Justin Timberlake
67.Coldplay
68.Otis Redding
69.Tupac Shakur
70.Def Leppard
71.R.E.M.
72.Janis Joplin
73.Van Morrison
74.The Cure
75.Rush
76.Run-D.M.C.
77.Lynyrd Skynyrd
78.Judas Priest
79.Eminem
80.Mary J. Blige
81.ABBA
82.Steely Dan
83.Earth, Wind and Fire
84.Curtis Mayfield
85.The Band
86.N.W.A.
87.George Michael
88.Bee Gees
89.Beastie Boys
90.Elvis Costello
91.Green Day
92.LL Cool J
93.Pearl Jam
94.Mariah Carey
95.OutKast
96.Journey
97.Pretenders
98.Depeche Mode
99.Hall & Oates
100.Alicia Keys

I'd love to hear what you think of it.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 11.1.10 @ 14:22pm


"Oh, and the full list that Journey appeared on:"

"I'd love to hear what you think of it."

Well, let me take a quick shot (? means vaguely or not familiar):

1.The Beatles
2.Michael Jackson (guy made $270 million in 2009 since death, #1 on list and Elvis $65m #2)

3.Led Zeppelin (Robert Plant! People at DDD site keep listing Freddie M. as #1 as a couple of guys argue ferociously. Most lists have Plant as #1 or always b/f Freddie.

4.The Rolling Stones
5.Bob Dylan (Need to research him. Why is he always so high?)
6.Jimi Hendrix
7.Prince
8.Elvis Presley (Surprise they didn't try to list him higher.)
9.James Brown
10.Stevie Wonder
11.Bob Marley
12.David Bowie (Like Bowie, but never would have thought of him being so high.)
13.The Who
14.Nirvana (Not much talk about now-a-days?)
15.The Beach Boys
16.Madonna (Just amazing how popular she is w/o really being a bonafide singer, unless I miss that when I hear. BUT UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY - SHE'S A ONE NAMER..WHOSE KNOWN EVERYWHERE)

17.Queen (Were they really that revered?)
18.Pink Floyd
19.U2
20.Marvin Gaye
21.Bruce Springsteen (Should he & U2 switch?)
22.The Clash (?)
23.AC/DC
24.The Velvet Underground
25.Chuck Berry (Should be higher.)
26.Neil Young
27.Aretha Franklin (Queen of Soul s/take her place next to the Godfather of Soul, James Brown)
28.Elton John (Should you go up above Neil Young?)
29.Radiohead
30.Aerosmith
31.John Lennon (Seems would be higher, but maybe his way of death brings him much notoriety, at least in my mind.)

32.Black Sabbath
33.Guns N' Roses
34.Tina Turner
35.Johnny Cash (This guy & Ray Charles just seem s/b higher)
36.Paul McCartney (Should Paul move down a bit?)
37.Fleetwood Mac
38.Sly & The Family Stone
39.The Kinks
40.The Police (w/Sting?)
41.Van Halen
42.Metallica
43.Ray Charles (Need to move up!)
44.Joni Mitchell
45.Al Green
46.Ramones (know name but just don't know them)
47.Jay-Z ("King of America Jay-Z" RS 6.24.10)
48.Rage Against The Machine (?)
49.Parliament-Funkadelic
50.Sade (higher than Beyonce?)
51.Billy Joel
52.Beyonce (Hubby Jay-Z made 63m & she 80m+ so maybe she's Queen of America)
53.Little Richard (R&R - need to move up)
54.Public Enemy
55.Peter Gabriel (inducted w/Genesis, solo?)
56.KISS
57.Iggy & The Stooges
58.Cheap Trick (They opened for Journey in 2008.)
59.Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
60.Whitney Houston
61.Cream
62.Genesis (Did Phil Collins come after Peter G.)
63.Notorious B.I.G.
64.Talking Heads (?)
65.The Doors
66.Justin Timberlake (Like JT but maybe s/move down pass next 3)
67.Coldplay
68.Otis Redding
69.Tupac Shakur (probably should take Justin's place)
70.Def Leppard
71.R.E.M.
72.Janis Joplin (Seems too low.)
73.Van Morrison
74.The Cure (?)
75.Rush
76.Run-D.M.C.
77.Lynyrd Skynyrd
78.Judas Priest
79.Eminem (Really, awfully low?)
80.Mary J. Blige
81.ABBA
82.Steely Dan
83.Earth, Wind and Fire
84.Curtis Mayfield
85.The Band (?)
86.N.W.A. (Were they really known enough for list?)
87.George Michael
88.Bee Gees (s/probably move up don't you think)
89.Beastie Boys
90.Elvis Costello
91.Green Day
92.LL Cool J
93.Pearl Jam
94.Mariah Carey
95.OutKast
96.Journey (take out SP and make him numero uno!)
97.Pretenders
98.Depeche Mode
99.Hall & Oates
100.Alicia Keys

???
Noticeably missing: Eagles, Temptations, Heart, Alice Cooper, Christina Aguilera, Poison (Kinda following Brett M. since illness captured the media)

Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 11.2.10 @ 18:51pm


"The Eagles were one of the first country-rock bands, and are highly influential even today (Sheryl Crow, for example.) The "country" you hear on the radio today may not be very good, but influence is influence (something that some people don't get.) The point is it's a succesful template that was copied many times over. They had great harmonies as well."

Yeah, think I read s/where that "country twang" - really like their sound!
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Schon on FB seems upset about SP getting attention at the Giants game and his not being invited.
A board polled: was it a swipe or compliment..
What do you think...seems an obvious swipe to me...

Neal Schon wrote 10.31.2010:
"It was great to see Steve Perry helping at the Giants game...
To bad he didn't sing- the National Anthem...
or God Bless America...
Im sure they would have let him....)
Oh well... You can come see Us this next year
and the year after that perform all over the world...
Have a Great weekend."

Sounding like an upset kid.

Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 11.2.10 @ 19:11pm


"17.Queen (Were they really that revered?)"

Critics detested them in their heyday, but they got plenty of respect from musicians (they were friends with Bowie and Bob Geldof, opened for Mott the Hoople, and in the 90's they really began to get their due, with Metallica, Smashing Pumpkins, Guns 'n' Roses, Iron Maiden and Def Leppard being among the bands to claim them as influences.) They were one of the top concert draws from 1975 until they stopped touring in '86. Them appearing at Live Aid was one of the things that made that show. They were the first band to really break South America; when they went down there for the first time they were already playing 150-200,000 seater stadiums. Their Greatest Artists is the biggest selling album in the UK EVER, and to date they've sold 200-250 million records worldwide... all this was with not breaking the US until '75 and not having much support there from '82 or '83 until Freddie's death, when they experienced a revival of sorts. I haven't even gone into the musical accomplishments yet. Other notes:

-You're right. For legacy alone, the position of Ray Charles and Little Richard and Chuck Berry is criminal. They should all be moved up at least ten spots, as should Johnny Cash. Cranking up the Bee Gee's a bit? Sure, why not?

-Talking Heads were one of the innovators and stand-outs from the new wave era. They were also one of the main attractions at CBGB's. From AllMusic: "At the start of their career, Talking Heads were all nervous energy, detached emotion, and subdued minimalism. When they released their last album about 12 years later, the band had recorded everything from art-funk to polyrhythmic worldbeat explorations and simple, melodic guitar pop. Between their first album in 1977 and their last in 1988, Talking Heads became one of the most critically acclaimed bands of the '80s, while managing to earn several pop hits. While some of their music can seem too self-consciously experimental, clever, and intellectual for its own good, at their best Talking Heads represent everything good about art-school punks." Quite a bit of influence as well, if their list of followers on AllMusic is to be believed.

-N.W.A. are certainly worthy of being on the list. Inventing gangsta rap is not exactly something to be proud of considering what that style has become, but influence is influence. As far as whether they were known enough: They did release 4 albums. A band with violent (and sometimes misognyist) messages isn't really going to be the recipient of major airplay and MTV time, in my opinion. In spite of that, they had a #1 album, and two other Top 40's. 3 Platinum albums, one double platinum and 3 Gold (reduce it to one Gold and 2 Platinum if you don't count compilations.)

-Yes, Phil Collins was the second Genesis frontman. He was originally the drummer. Under Peter Gabriel they were a second-wave prog band who were mostly a cult band, but did achieve some success in England. When Gabriel left Collins became the frontman, and eventually they became the Genesis the whole world knows. With them getting into the Hall last year it's not really a surprise that they made it this time around. It also shows how monumental a musical figure Gabriel is that he made it on the list TWICE (he made the '98 list as a solo artist as well.)

The Band... well, one of the major country-rock bands. Rage Against the Machine were one of the first bands to combine rap and metal, and were one of the main influences for nu-metal/rapcore. They only put out three studio albums and one covers album, but all were excellent. The Cure were one of the original post-punk bands (one of the founding goth bands as well, some people say, but Robert doesn't like to hear that) and are more popular than most of their contemporaries, briefly achieving stardom while still maintaining their alt-rock credibility. They're second only to Joy Division as far as post-punk is concerned to many people, but that's only because they were influenced by JD; it's worth noting that JD were excellent but they only had two albums, while The Cure have twelve to date. The Ramones were one of the first punk bands (some people say the first, but I'm not sure about that.) The influence of The Cure and The Ramones is massive, and I might argue for each to be moved up 5-10 spots.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 11.4.10 @ 06:13am


-Yes, The Police were Sting's original band. That pick is just a representation of them; Sting's solo career has nothing to do with it.

-I'm not sure whether Cheap Trick belong, but I can't argue with it. Guns 'n' Roses, Stone Temple Pilots, Smashing Pumpkins, Motley Crue, Nirvana... all A-list bands as far as I'm concerned (no, STP aren't important but their music's great) and all draw from CT. Since you mentioned Poison in there, apparently they do as well. There was a Poison-CT-Def Leppard tour in '08 that was pretty succesful.

-Hard to argue with Tupac being there, and yes I might move him up a few spots. Same with Janis.

-Bowie's one of the most diverse and talented artists of all time, and his sound has impacted many musicians, so no surprise that he made it. He's gone through many musical incarnations. Pretty much all have been met with widespread critical acclaim, and all produced at least one or two big hits.

-Nirvana's career may have been short, but they accomplished more in seven years of existence (two years in the spotlight) than most bands ever have. Nevermind and In Utero really do deserve most of their accolades in my opinion. Even people who dislike them have said "in terms of influence they have few peers." They brought a whole new movement into the limelight. Surprisingly, despite being gone for so long, Cobain's shadow and legacy have increased, if anything. That said, although I think they belong, they are too high for my liking, whereas R.E.M. and Pearl Jam are too low (I'd propose a 10-15 spot increase for the former and a 5-10 spot hike for the latter, maybe the same for Green Day.) On a related note, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Smashing Pumpkins are curious omissions.

-Dylan's in about the right spot. "Bob Dylan's influence on popular music is incalculable. As a songwriter, he pioneered several different schools of pop songwriting, from confessional singer/songwriter to winding, hallucinatory, stream-of-consciousness narratives. As a vocalist, he broke down the notion that a singer must have a conventionally good voice in order to perform, thereby redefining the vocalist's role in popular music. As a musician, he sparked several genres of pop music, including electrified folk-rock and country-rock. And that just touches on the tip of his achievements. Dylan's force was evident during his height of popularity in the '60s -- the Beatles' shift toward introspective songwriting in the mid-'60s never would have happened without him -- but his influence echoed throughout several subsequent generations, as many of his songs became popular standards and his best albums became undisputed classics of the rock & roll canon. Dylan's influence throughout folk music was equally powerful, and he marks a pivotal turning point in its 20th century evolution, signifying when the genre moved away from traditional songs and toward personal songwriting. Even when his sales declined in the '80s and '90s, Dylan's presence rarely lagged, and his commercial revival in the 2000s proved his staying power." Madonna's too high, but yeah she belongs. Michael Jackson shouldn't be Top 10, and wouldn't be if he hadn't died, I'm sorry to say, but yes he belongs as well. Springsteen and U2 are both fine where they are.

-The Beatles deserve the #1 still, but I don't get the hype around Lennon or McCartney solo.

-Alicia Keyes, Justin Timberlake, Beyonce... way too early to be putting them on here. If they do this again in 2020, then maybe... but they're just not there yet (though bonus points to Justin as "Sexy Back" sounds great, especially when you're drunk.) Whitney Houston? Sure, she made it possible for divas like Keyes and Beyonce, so she deserves it. Mariah Carey? Well, her voice is better than any of them and she writes her own songs, so I'll let her be on here. That's it as far as divas are concerned, however. George Michael and Sade were surprising picks. I like them, especially George, and I think you might be able to make a case for HOF (though it would require a long and back-and-forth conversation) but no way are they Top 100.

Big omissions: Too many to narrow it down to a few.

I'm not sure how to interpret the Neal message... I could go either way. I'd ask the Perryphiles if they were still around.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 11.4.10 @ 06:45am


"Their Greatest Artists is the biggest selling album in the UK EVER, and to date they've sold 200-250 million records worldwide... all this was with not breaking the US until '75 and not having much support there from '82 or '83 until Freddie's death, when they experienced a revival of sorts."

I believe RIAA certify US sales only. Where are worldwide sales found. Queen is only certified for at RIAA for 32m +.
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"A band with violent (and sometimes misognyist) messages isn't really going to be the recipient of major airplay and MTV time, in my opinion."

Way Eminem started but supposedly has calmed down. Did they?
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"There was a Poison-CT-Def Leppard tour in '08 that was pretty succesful."

Heart will be touring with Def Leppard 2011. Heart was great on DWTS.

Journey should be touring UK & Europe next year with Foreigner and Styx. S/one called it a "Replacement Lead Singer" tour but s/one else cited that Styx lead person not sing so much. When I saw both of them and Kansas, everyone in Styx seem to be singing. Don't remember names, do you or do you not like enough to follow... S/one's friend works at TM so he gave board a heads-up. Is that legal..
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"Surprisingly, despite being gone for so long, Cobain's shadow and legacy have increased, if anything."

Death seems to be popular.. Go figure...
Reminds me of a comedy where this guy bought a painting of an unknown artist then heard he was badly ill, but was upset when he pulled through.
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"Dylan's in about the right spot. "Bob Dylan's influence on popular music is incalculable."

Yep, for s/one I don't really know, yet know him so well. He seems to always be talked about everywhere... RS loves him..
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"Michael Jackson shouldn't be Top 10, and wouldn't be if he hadn't died"

I beg to differ here. The child prodigy, although weird and eccentric. Thriller alone should put him at #2.
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"The Beatles deserve the #1 still, but I don't get the hype around Lennon or McCartney solo."

Maybe not Paul, but isn't John s/what of an iconic figure, several steps above Paul. Although, like I said could be with me the manner of his death, and wife Yoko....
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"Alicia Keyes, Justin Timberlake, Beyonce... way too early to be putting them on here."

Maybe not Alicia and Justin but Beyonce made RS list of tops for the decade.. She left Destiny's Child and just blew up big, no faltering at all..
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"Whitney Houston? Sure, she made it possible for divas like Keyes and Beyonce, so she deserves it. Mariah Carey? Well, her voice is better than any of them and she writes her own songs, so I'll let her be on here."

Of course Whitney, but hopefully she's remembered for how great she sounded rather than how she fell/fell from glory.. Think Whitney's voice is probably better, but prefer Mariah. Mariah was the artist of the 90s with 10 or so top ten hits.. Think Whitney #30-40 while Mariah #79 I think on RS Top 100 Singers 2008. That not to be sealed in gold, though, just certain people's preferences.
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"George Michael and Sade were surprising picks. I like them, especially George"

More familiar with George and his music, but mostly know the name Sade.
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It was posted that Neal shut down his FB, except fan page, supposedly b/c of spaming... Guess he upset Perry's fans. He also said he was working on trying to get to play "America the Beautiful" at the game..
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"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees"

Few quick noticeable(s)...

Eric Clapton seems only one in three time two bands and solo.

Guess everyone loved Ricky Nelson and he's done everything, but what about influences...

Thought Tina Turner was as big if not bigger than she was w/Ike.

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 11.7.10 @ 15:06pm


"I believe RIAA certify US sales only. Where are worldwide sales found. Queen is only certified for at RIAA for 32m +."

That's album sales. The RIAA has 18 million in the US in studio album sales and 5 million in live album sales, and 13 million in compilations, so 36 million album sales in the US at their last tally. Plus 3.5 million in singles sales. 12 million in album sales in the UK, plus 1,400,000 in Singles. So 52.4 million records sold when both sides of the Atlantic are combined. These UK sales have been brought to you by the BPI (British Phonographic Industry), our equivalent of the RIAA. Throw in the fact that they were playing stadiums when they first came to both Japan and South America (and those South American stadiums can fit 200,000 people,) plus Live Aid was watched by 700 million people, and who knows? Their estimated sales are between 150 and 300 million. Their total available certified sales are 87.3 million, which is still huge. I'm getting all this from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists but just keep in mind most of this is estimated, except where it says it's certified.

"Way Eminem started but supposedly has calmed down. Did they?"

Not entirely, but that stuff doesn't get noticed by the pop market. Ironically, his first album is by all accounts LESS offensive than the stuff he made later, and yet it didn't chart. His celebrity dissing is wearing thin on some people, but he has managed to mix it up a bit. None of the stuff released since his comeback has offended anyone, so there is that.

"I beg to differ here. The child prodigy, although weird and eccentric. Thriller alone should put him at #2."

I prefer Prince.

"Maybe not Paul, but isn't John s/what of an iconic figure, several steps above Paul. Although, like I said could be with me the manner of his death, and wife Yoko...."

Yes he did make some great music in his solo career, but I'm not sure about Hall of Fame. Probably does have a bit to do with his death, but who knows? Yoko is popular in the art-rock world as an avant-garde musician, which means her art is highly unnaccesible, so I doubt she has anything to do with any positive perceptions of it ("the woman who broke up The Beatles" is the common perception of her, which is highly unfair.) My main opinion is that slagging off Paul or John's career for the sake of boosting the other is childish.

Mariah... well, 19 #1's. 18. Second only to The Beatles. About 20 other Top 40's, quite a few of them Top 10. Credit where credit's due. She's influenced quite a few of the people around today, most notably Beyonce and Christina Aguilera. As well as her voice (which irritates some people by being over the top in delivery), I respect the fact that she writes her own stuff. If any of her contemporaries or descendants do that I haven't heard about it. She's even one-upped her hero Whitney Houston* in that regard. Put them both in the Hall. I never thought I'd say that, no. The favorite for 2015 is The Smashing Pumpkins at this point, but I'd say Mariah will get her chance. Alice in Chains will, but not right away.

*I'll post my personal snubs queue if you like.

"Eric Clapton seems only one in three time two bands and solo."

Cream and The Yardbirds were no-brainers, but I'm not quite as sure about his solo career. Still, his solo career was the best way to represent his guitar playing, so...

"Thought Tina Turner was as big if not bigger than she was w/Ike."

Yes, but Ike was one of the first rock 'n' rollers.

"More familiar with George and his music, but mostly know the name Sade."

"Smooth Operator" was one of the best pop songs of the 80's.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 11.8.10 @ 09:50am


By the way, the worst pick for the Hall was Percy Sledge. I enjoy "When a Man Loves a Woman" as much as the next guy, but let's get real here. It was only one hit (or at least the only one that's remembered), and although it was a fairly influential hit (thank you for correcting me on that Philip) it was nowhere near important enough to warrant the 500 voters passing The Stooges over for him (just goes to show how out of touch the Hall is, and how too many Atlantic Records people have a say.) Although if The J. Geils Band get in on this try they'll replace Sledge as the worst pick. Good band, but no credentials for induction at all; even resident FRL poster Ralph, a huge fan of the band, has admitted that their worthiness is at best borderline.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 11.8.10 @ 10:12am


"even resident FRL poster Ralph, a huge fan of the band, has admitted that their worthiness is at best borderline."

You called?

I did say that. I will qualify it, however, by pointing out that I am firmly entrenched in what someone (you?) called the "Small Hall." Most of the names discussed and debated on this website are names that I would vote "no" towards. While I am a fan of the J. Geils Band, and while I would (somewhat reluctantly) vote No if I had a vote, I would still put them in line ahead of all but a dozen or two acts that aren't currently enshrined.

I would certainly induct them before Steve Perry (or Percy Sledge).

I've said it before and I'll say it again - when you induct anyone, it cheapens the honor for everyone. Keeping it exclusive is what makes the honor noteworthy.

Posted by Ralph on Monday, 11.8.10 @ 13:36pm


"I would certainly induct them before Steve Perry (or Percy Sledge)."

What? Steve Perry, The Voice, has touched so many lives with his music... and surely Percy Sledge had more than one hit, but then again that "When A Man Loves A Woman" song just resonates so like many and if an "influential hit" ...why not put him in the Hall.
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"*I'll post my personal snubs queue if you like."

okay...

Posted by S L Ballard on Monday, 11.8.10 @ 18:38pm


Well said Ralph. I have trouble trying to narrow the Hall down, as the "all-time greats only" thing is slightly subjective, but I think your idea is a good principle. But I've ended up in heated arguments with people on here over who has been/should be/might be when they're eligible inducted, so I'm not having that discussion again. For example: I like Ratt (or at least some of their stuff, and Warren DeMartini can definitely shred) but I would quite rightly be lauged at if I tried to present a case for their induction, as there isn't much of a case to be made. On the other hand, what I've heard from Kraftwerk I didn't care for (especially compared to their descendants New Order, and to a much lesser extent Depeche Mode) but they've touched so many musicians and styles (hip-hop, synth music, new wave, electronica, post-punk) to be ignored.

An example of the bar being significantly lowered would be parts of the latest VH1 list (if you want to see the show itself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozUGyZeehWQ&feature=related). As I touched upon, there are some major snubs overlooked for people who are too early in their careers to be considered for something like that (I love "Sexy Back", it sounds especially great when you're drunk, but there's just no way he's at this stage yet.) Objectivity is required. When people are calling for Michael Jackson or Green Day to be #1... (shakes head.) I don't really like either, but I do respect them and do agree with them being on the list. On the other hand, as much as I love Joy Division I wouldn't put them on a Top 100 list (spoiler alert: they didn't make it, but one of their contemporaries did.) A Top 100 calls for the bar to be raised even higher than a Hall of Fame.

I will post my snubs queue later. My apologies for rambling; I have a tendency to do so.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 11.9.10 @ 10:33am


All right, my snubs queue:

2010: Dinosaur Jr. Faith No More, Happy Mondays, Megadeth, My Bloody Valentine, Rites of Spring, Sepultura, The Stone Roses

Minor: Exodus, Green River, Joe Satriani Megadeth, Primal Scream

2009: The Flaming Lips, The Jesus and Mary Chain, LL Cool J, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Whitney Houston

Minor: Nick Cave, Pet Shop Boys, The Pogues, Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen,

2008: Anthrax, Pantera, Slayer, The Smiths, Stevie Ray Vaughan

Minor: Butthole Surfers, Cyndi Lauper, Dio, Pulp (I favor them being inducted, they're just not an essential indie pick), Suicidal Tendencies,

2007: Bad Brains, Beastie Boys, Cocteau Twins, George Clinton (as a Non-Performer), Sonic Youth, Talk Talk

2006: Depeche Mode, Husker Du, Motley Crue, New Order, Jim Steinman (as a Non-Performer), Ministry, The Replacements, Venom (if you want to properly represent metal)...

Minor: Anvil, Bad Religion, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Meat Puppets, Minor Threat

2005: Afrika Bambaataa, Ozzy Osbourne,

Minor: Diamond Head, Girlschool, The Go-Go's, INXS, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, UB40 (nostalgia),

2004: The Dead Kennedys, Iron Maiden, Killing Joke, Madness, The Specials,

Minor: Accept, Bauhaus (if I'm being objective, though it would be nice to see them inducted), Def Leppard, Echo and the Bunnymen (see Bauhaus), Saxon, Sugarhill Gang, “Weird Al” Yankovic,

2003: Black Flag, The Cars, The Cure, The Fall, Gang of Four, Joy Division, Kate Bush, The Misfits, Siouxsie & the Banshees, X

Minor: Devo, Dire Straits, Gary Numan, The Human League, Public Image Ltd.

2002: The Buzzcocks, Cheap Trick, Chic, The Jam, Motörhead, Peter Gabriel, Suicide, Throbbing Gristle, Wire, XTC

Minor: Quiet Riot

2001: The Damned, Cabaret Voltaire (someone want to help me sort out all these early industrial acts?),

Minor: Boston, Heart, The Runaways

2000: Television, Peter Tosh

Minor: Journey, Rainbow, Ted Nugent,

1999: Brian Eno (as a Non-Performer), Donna Summer, Judas Priest, KISS

1998: The E Street Band (as Sidemen), New York Dolls, Rush, Tom Waits,

1997: Big Star, Roxy Music,

Minor: Blue Öyster Cult, Hall & Oates, Neu!Scorpions, The Spiders From Mars (maybe as Sidemen), Styx

1996: Kraftwerk, Sparks, Thin Lizzy, War,

Minor: Budgie, The Doobie Brothers, Electric Light Orchestra, Nazareth, Rory Gallagher

1995: Bernie Taupin (Non-Performer), Emerson, Lake & Palmer, The Last Poets, Todd Rundgren (Non-Performer)

Minor: Hawkwind, Mountain, Sweet, UFO, Uriah Heep

1994: Alice Cooper, Chicago (fine, I give in), King Crimson, Lee "Scratch" Perry (Non-Performer), Yes

Minor: Linda Ronstadt, Mott the Hoople, Nick Drake, Slade

1993: Can, Deep Purple, Dr. John, Jethro Tull, Silver Apples, T. Rex

1992 Laura Nyro (Non-Performer), Procol Harum,

1991: Captain Beefheart, MC5, The Monkees, Toots & the Maytals

1990:
Minor: Bert Jansch, Donovan, Merle Haggard

1989: The Moody Blues, The Zombies

1987: Dick Dale

1985: Link Wray
Minor: Cliff Richard & the Shadows

1984:
Minor: Lightnin' Hopkins, Sonny Boy Williamson

1982: Screamin' Jay Hawkins

1981: The “5” Royales, Johnny Burnette and the Rock N Roll Trio

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 11.11.10 @ 07:11am


Great but this is better!

www.13wham.com/entertainment/story/Perry-asks-to-rejoin-Journey/5x__tM0kwE-qIjTiCIW2xA.cspx

www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/genre/e3ic1904d9b2e94022a0eed41105fc7929e

Guess anything to stir ticket sales for their next year UK 5 days tour sponsored by Classic Rock...

An all-new magazine from the Classic Rock stable – Classic Rock Presents AOR – goes on sale November 17.

"We’ve got a major melodic-rock exclusive for the cover story: Steve Perry, the legendary former Journey frontman, talking about the band’s pivotal album Escape – the record that gave the world the song Don’t Stop Believin’.
The issue comes in a special cardboard wallet featuring an all-new, specially commissioned interpretation of Journey’s distinctive scarab logo."
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Your snubs or ones snubbed to your disagreement?

Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 11.13.10 @ 19:25pm


Damn it, I'm drunk so it's taking me awhile to type this. Sorry.

Wait... Classic Rock SPONSORED the Journey tour that's happening next year? That's interesting. I knew they liked them (they put Escape at #22 on their 100 greatest rock albums, and they collaborated with Metal Hammer on a 200 greatest albums of the 70's, 200 greatest albums of the 80's and 200 greatest albums of the 90's, none of them in any particular order, and Journey appeared on the 80's list 4 times) but I didn't know they had the resources to do that? Still, Geoff Barton and Malcolm Dome are both writers I really respect, so...

That snubs queue is both people I don't like or haven't really listened to but I feel have been unfairly kept out and people I listen to and I feel should be inducted. Some of those snubs will be corrected soon (some of them could be taken off the list in January), but yes those are people who are not in and I feel should be. Minors are ones who I think there are cases to be made for but aren't essential, and some of the majors I could drop down to minors or vice versa. I forgot Chuck Willis and Dr. John on the queue, both of whom have been nominated. Also:

2011: The Melvins and Soundgarden (not eligible yet but I'm predicting they don't get in first year.) I'm going to analyze the rest of the 80's in the next few days.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 11.14.10 @ 10:13am


It's interesting that SP wants to rejoin Journey after all this time. Clearly Neal is happy with the way the band is now, so he'd be better going out on his own if he wants to get back in the game. Arnel Pineda has said that if SP wanted to rejoin he'd happily step aside. It'll be interesting to say if anything more develops.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 11.14.10 @ 10:15am


"However, if forced to pick I'd say they do, but can you confirm for me whether Journey influenced them or not? I've never seen or heard them cite them but people keep saying they did"

Sorry to interrupt this conversation, lol.

The whole Journey-Bon Jovi thing has to do more with the fact that Bon Jovi do have the whole Journey "sound". Listen to song like Always and you can definitely hear Open Arms. Bon Jovi also copied the formula forever linked to Journey (maybe not invented by them, some have said Styx were responsible for this) of the power ballads, anthems and hard rockers. Jon cites Thin Lizzy, Alice Cooper, Springsteen, Bob Dylan and Aerosmith but musically their songs has alot more in common with the arena rock bands.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 11.14.10 @ 10:52am


"Bon Jovi also copied the formula forever linked to Journey (maybe not invented by them, some have said Styx were responsible for this) of the power ballads, anthems and hard rockers."

The Beatles? Zeppelin? Thin Lizzy? Out of those, I only knew Jon had cited Springsteen and Dylan. He's also cited Southside Johnny and J. Geils (hey, the first bit of influence I can confirm for J. Geils; yay.) I knew Richie had cited Aerosmith, Jimmy Page, Clapton and Johnny Winter as influences on his playing (apparently Stevie Ray Vaughan as well, but I can't confirm that?) We know that BJ's getting in this time around, and hopefully Alice Cooper will as well. Hopefully Jon will do the right thing and give KISS (who BJ opened for,) Def Leppard (listen to their 80's work, there's elements of DL in there) and Motley Crue (Doc McGhee managed Motley to national fame before he even signed Bon Jovi) their due, and Thin Lizzy as well if he really did cite them, as they're for some reason commonly overlooked when it comes to Hard Rock legends. Get a copy of the Dedication compilation, you won't regret it. Hopefully next year some of these will begin to show up on the ballots, but then we say that every year, don't we?

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 11.14.10 @ 11:26am


"2000: Television, Peter Tosh

Minor: Journey, Rainbow, Ted Nugent," Sam

Explain - Are you placing that Television and Tosh over Journey? Who are they anyway...
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"Wait... Classic Rock SPONSORED the Journey tour that's happening next year?"

I guess that what it's saying. You are in the Uk(?) so have you heard anything about Journey, Foreigner and Styx touring together there.. Only 5-6 dates though.
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"Bon Jovi also copied the formula forever linked to Journey (maybe not invented by them, some have said Styx were responsible for this) of the power ballads, anthems and hard rockers."

But propelled and/or made known more so by Journey, right?
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"It's interesting that SP wants to rejoin Journey after all this time." Sam

Surely you don't believe that do you? Other than recording the TBF album in 1996, Perry hasn't actually performed w/the guys in over 22 years so I don't think so. Is "Something's rotten in the State of Denmark."



Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 11.14.10 @ 18:11pm


"Hopefully next year some of these will begin to show up on the ballots, but then we say that every year, don't we?"

Nothing wrong with being optimistic. Alice said on my local television channel that he thinks Deep Purple should be in, so he may push for them if he gets in. I hope Jon and the boys will do the right thing, but something tells me hes gonna be under Wenner's thumb.

"But propelled and/or made known more so by Journey, right?"

I personally think so. Sam mentioned The Beatles, Zeppelin and Thin Lizzy (?), but the first two were so much more genre wise than the 3 types I mentioned. (Unlike Journey, really). I do think a clear line can be drawn in musical style from Journey's musical formula to Bon Jovi's, and then to Nickelback, and that is influence to me. As far as the Beatles, they never really dabbled in real hard rock with the exception of Helter Sketler, and besides, they weren't putting THAT out as a single like Journey would. That would've scared people.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 11.14.10 @ 18:23pm


"Explain - Are you placing that Television and Tosh over Journey? Who are they anyway..."

Tosh was part of The Wailers, Bob Marley's band. He's considered to be one of the best reggae artists of all time, so it would seem that a proper representation of reggae in the Hall couldn't be done without him. Here's a biography on him: http://allmusic.com/artist/peter-tosh-p104237/biography (For perspective, AllMusic lists about twenty five followers, but they limit the number they list in order to not crowd the page. One of those followers listed is Bad Brains, who are one of the major punk snubs.) I'd be willing to put Journey as a major snub, it's just easier to argue that they're a minor than a major. As for Television, AllMusic again:

"Television were one of the most creative bands to emerge from New York's punk scene of the mid-'70s, creating an influential new guitar vocabulary. While guitarists Tom Verlaine and Richard Lloyd liked to jam, they didn't follow the accepted rock structures for improvisation -- they removed the blues while retaining the raw energy of garage rock, adding complex, lyrical solo lines that recalled both jazz and rock. With its angular rhythms and fluid leads, Television's music always went in unconventional directions, laying the groundwork for many of the guitar-based post-punk pop groups of the late '70s and '80s."

They're the last major CBGB's band not yet in the Hall (with The Ramones, Blondie, Talking Heads and Patti Smith all in), and indeed Smith was the only one of those that was around first, and the only one to release an album before them, thus making Television the second major attraction at CBGB's. They were around a year before The Ramones (beating them to the punch by a year as far as the first album thing was concerned), a year before Talking Heads (and had their first album out two years before) and one year before Blondie (and first album out a year before.) U2 is listed as a follower as well, and indeed when they were inducted they listed them (Television) as one of the bands that was in their Hall of Fame.

I haven't heard of any Journey-Foreigner-Styx tour; I don't really keep up with what most of the older bands are doing. Perhaps they can call it "The Replacements Tour", assuming they'd be allowed to use the name "The Replacements".

Posted by Sam on Monday, 11.15.10 @ 06:56am


Analysis of next year's newly eligibles. Here, I'll give an overview of the top 5 commercial successes from this class:

Guns 'n' Roses (also the most critically acclaimed of this bunch)

Why they will get in: Great band. Heads and shoulders above the rest of their class in success. They have plenty of friends connected to/in the Hall who will support them.

Why they won't get in: Odds are slim that the current Axl-led incarnation will show up, let alone perform, so any performance would be Slash, Duff and Matt (maybe with Izzy, but probably not) with a guest vocalist, and maybe another guest or two. How many people would tune in to watch that? In addition, the Hall's shown a distaste towards plenty of Hard Rock.

Who would benefit from their induction? Well, some of those Hard Rock snubs I alluded to might be rectified after that. If Slash shows up, he'll probably give Motley Crue a shout-out. Hopefully their induction would get KISS, New York Dolls, MC5 and Alice Cooper (that's assuming he doesn't get in on this try, which I think he will) back on the ballot; there are at least good chances of those.

Verdict: No doubt they get in. Strong chances for getting in first ballot, it could be tougher second year if they don't, third year Nirvana could overshadow them, but after that it gets easier. If not first ballot then a few years after. Lock.

New Kids on the Block

Why they will get in: A commercial power-house, the second biggest success story here behind Guns 'n' Roses. For a couple of years they were one of the biggest bands in not just the US but the whole world, to the tune of 70 million records sold. The induction of ABBA last year and this year's nomination of Neil Diamond has shown they don't view pop music as a dirty word.

Why they won't get in: They were detested by both critics and rock purists back in their heyday, and nothing's really changed since then. Specifics on this: There are two teen idols in the Hall, and those are Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers and The Jackson 5. They got in because they were such titans of R&B that it was difficult to overlook them. Teen idols with the exception of them, from The Monkees to Take That to Britney Spears, have struggled for respect; that's just how it is, fairly or unfairly.

Who would benefit from their induction? Obviously the stand-out teen idols that followed them: The Backstreet Boys, N'SYNC, Britney. It may also force the Hall to get The Monkees on the ballot, as they did eventually become legit. Maybe other major pop stars from NKOTB's heyday like George Michael could have an easier shot.

Verdict: Highly unlikely, for the reasons I mentioned. Fairly or unfairly, the Hall would lose lots of the credibility they have left if this happened.

Poison

Why they will get in: A fun band with some decent tunes. Are respected in some quarters for how hard they work. The fact that Bon Jovi is probably getting in this year means that they should have an easier time. with it.

Why they won't get in: Critics. Many Hard Rock and Metal fans will also fight this happening. Shoot, even in the hair metal/pop-metal world some people despise them, as they've sometimes been accused (apparently Nikki Sixx did) of watering the sound down and contributing to it's ruin.

Who would benefit from their induction? They might give Motley a proper look. Def Leppard might get on the ballot, as might other overlooked glam and Hard Rock artists. KISS might get back on the ballot, as might New York Dolls. Other hairbands might get in as well, like Ratt and Warrant.

Verdict: Odds are slim to none. Motley Crue, Def Leppard and KISS would all have to get in before they got a proper look, and I don't see that happening.

Bobby Brown

Why he will get in: Very succesful for a decent period of time. The Hall likes R&B.

Why he won't get in: I don't think he's very important to R&B, and there are other more notable snubs before him. He hasn't been succesful for about 15-20 years, and sometimes his personal life has overshadowed his music. Not very critically respected either.

Who would benefit from his induction? More notable R&B snubs.

Verdict: Slim chances.

Soundgarden

Why they will get in: As far as innovation and influence are concerned they're easily worthy; for one thing they're first-wave grunge. Each member of the band has great chops, and they have plenty of critical respect: They rank high on various Hard Rock related polls, Chris Cornell and Kim Thayil have charted well on various singer and guitarist lists, respectively, and Superunknown is widely considered one of the best albums of the 90's. It sold well as well. They're also the third most critically acclaimed act of this class.

Why they won't get in: Hard Rock and Metal aren't areas the Hall knows much about. In addition, Soundgarden didn't really start breaking into the mainstream until Badmotorfinger, and didn't become stars until Superunknown, meaning that some people might overlook them and make them wait behind Nirvana, Pearl Jam, RHCP and Rage Against the Machine.

Who would benefit from their induction? Well, if they were to get in before Nirvana and Pearl Jam (almost no chance of that), then it would be even easier for those bands to get in. The roads for Alice in Chains and Tool would be easier. Some post-grunge bands such as Stone Temple Pilots who owe a debt to them. Early American Alternative bands such as Husker Du, The Replacements and Sonic Youth could be given a proper and fair look after this, as could Soundgarden's first-wave/underground grunge contemporaries such as The Melvins.

Verdict: Actually, I don't think it'll be too difficult. They'll be inducted in due course, it'll just take awhile.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 11.19.10 @ 14:19pm


Other major critical stand-out: Eric B. & Rakim

Why they will get in: Second most critically acclaimed artist from this class behind Guns 'n' Roses, and one of the most respected rap groups of all time. Considered highly important in the world of hip-hop.

Why they won't get in: Their sales are rather low (not that it should matter at all, just saying it could hurt them). In addition, the Hall is struggling with hip-hop: The only first-ballot induction so far is Run DMC. It took three tries to get Grandmaster Flash in, and even they technically didn't get in on that try, when you take into account that The Dave Clark Five would've beaten them for the final spot if everyone had turned their votes in before the deadline. There are earlier hip-hop pioneers not in yet, though either The Beastie Boys or LL Cool J will likely get in on this try.

Who would benefit from their induction? Whichever one doesn't get in on this vote, of course. The earlier hip-hop pioneers could benefit, as could rappers that come later who have a real chance.

Verdict: 50-50 on this one. I think it's just a "wait and see" kind of thing.

Some people would induct Babyface and Bob Geldof as Non-Performers. I'd also induct The Melvins but they'll never even be nominated.

2012 to be examined later.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 11.19.10 @ 17:05pm


If anyone should be in the hall of fame it is steve perry, he has a gift from god, and has helped a lot of people with his musical talent, and also would not have been a jourmey without him.... GREATEST SINGER EVER.........

Posted by joetta gregory on Monday, 11.22.10 @ 15:08pm


"has helped a lot of people with his musical talent"

He's done more harm than help to the world of music.

"and also would not have been a jourmey without him"

This alone is reason enough to issue him a perminent ban from the Hall.

Posted by Chalkie on Monday, 11.22.10 @ 15:34pm


"has helped a lot of people with his musical talent" joetta

Indeed! just check SP Online and his other sites where people still drop in to thank him even though he hasn't performed in over 15 years..

"He's done more harm than help to the world of music." Chalkie

You're entitled to your opinion, but his many fans beg to differ, considerably.

"This alone is reason enough to issue him a perminent ban from the Hall." Chalkie

That alone is reason enough to issue you a permanent ban from this Hall.

"GREATEST SINGER EVER" - Ditto!

Posted by S L Ballard on Monday, 11.22.10 @ 19:54pm


Perry denies asking to return to Journey
Print Story Published: 11/16 2:33 pm ShareThisUpdated: 11/16 2:34 pm

Former Journey frontman Steve Perry has rubbished reports he asked to rejoin the group in the wake of the rockers' recent revival.

Rumors swirled last week that Perry, who quit the Don't Stop Believin' hitmakers for a solo career in 1998, wants to return to the band.

But a spokesman for the singer has blasted the gossip, insisting it is untrue and that Perry is happy for Journey to continue without him.

The rep tells the RockAAA website, "It's just not true... Steve is enjoying his retirement."

myabc50.com/entertainment/story/Perry-denies-asking-to-return-to-Journey/IU23ZZzp_kW2pUTIKO-6Fw.cspx
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Steve Perry Didn't Ask to Rejoin Journey, Says Rep

"A spokesperson for Journey is denying reports that surfaced Friday claiming that former lead singer Steve Perry had asked for his old job back. The report, which appears to have originated in the London tabloid the Daily Star, claimed that Perry asked to rejoin the band after seeing the Glee cast perform "Don't Stop
Believin'" on the show. That report featured a quote by Journey guitarist Neal Schon, who allegedly said, "The fact is, he's no longer the lead singer. He walked out." But Journey's rep told ABC News Radio that the report was "not true," and said that she had no idea where the Neal Schon quote came from. She added that Journey "wish nothing but the best for Steve."

http://www.963wdvd.com/Article.asp?id=2021520&spid=

Clear it up or lawsuit time...
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Perry quit for surgery in 1998. Steve Perry is writer/co-writer on 99.5% of Journey songs, including that "DSB" so no need to rejoin b/c the band is "living off past glories" (12/'09) -
nothing new.
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"Clearly Neal is happy with the way the band is now" Sam 11.14.10

He might show it by not bashing Perry for leaving.

"Arnel Pineda has said that if SP wanted to rejoin he'd happily step aside."

When did Pineda get a say so in anything....

"It'll be interesting to say if anything more develops."

Rubbish! That's the development.
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I didn't know this...

"Don Heneley was an awsome solo artist. He belongs in the Hall of Fame. "Boys of Summer" is one of the greatest rock songs of all time."

Posted by Brhett Lemberger on Friday, 12.29.06 @ 12:13pm

Posted by S L Ballard on Monday, 11.22.10 @ 20:29pm


Can't really see any of those boy bands getting in for they just don't seem to be same league as Michael Jackson was with Jackson 5 and don't think they lasted as long.. Read that one of those bands set a record for album opening sales. Not sure which one...

Bobby Brown's misdeeds may have outlived his great times. Does anyone remember when he was doing so well...

Chris Connell/Soundgarden and Dave Clark 5 not in already...and KISS s/be.

Will Brittany get in like Madonna.. Would think Madonna far better artist though than Brittany.

I think LL Cool J will get in.

Babyface great songwriter for self and others should be in. Guess that's why Smokey Robinson is in solo, but not with the Miracles.

Posted by S L Ballard on Monday, 11.22.10 @ 20:53pm


"A spokesperson for Journey is denying reports that surfaced Friday claiming that former lead singer Steve Perry had asked for his old job back. The report, which appears to have originated in the London tabloid the Daily Star"

Ah... that would explain it. Most of our tabloids have just as much of a reputation for crap journalism as yours, if not a bigger one.

"Don Heneley was an awsome solo artist. He belongs in the Hall of Fame. 'Boys of Summer' is one of the greatest rock songs of all time." - Bhrett Lemberger

Personal taste isn't really relevant; on the contrary, that's why there are so many omissions from the Hall. Some of them are disliked by the Committee, so they're not in.

"Can't really see any of those boy bands getting in for they just don't seem to be same league as Michael Jackson was with Jackson 5 and don't think they lasted as long.. Read that one of those bands set a record for album opening sales. Not sure which one..."

It was N'SYNC (or would I write it as N*SYNC?) with the record for first week sales by an album, and speaking of which the premier UK boy band Take That (a one hit wonder in the US) have just racked up the highest first week UK sales of the 2010's so far, with 520,000 copies (about 235,000 copies on the first day), the highest such first week sales since Oasis' third album in 1997. N'SYNC getting in though... they appear perfectly happy doing their own thing at the moment, and ironically enough Justin Timberlake solo has a better shot at this point. He's only released two albums so far, but they were highly regarded by critics (apparently indie writers Pitchfork even gave one of his albums a rave review.) I'm not ashamed to admit I love "Sexy Back" (sounds even better when you're drunk). This is quite interesting, let me know what you think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPiHZUhUIpM
No, I don't think any of those boy bands are getting in either.

"Bobby Brown's misdeeds may have outlived his great times. Does anyone remember when he was doing so well..."

No. I either wasn't around yet or was far too young to remember them. VH1 Classic sometimes plays some of his videos.

"Chris Connell/Soundgarden and Dave Clark 5 not in already...and KISS s/be."

Soundgarden isn't eligible until next year, so if they're not in the nominations list next September then we can start a riot. I doubt they'll get in first go-around (in fact, they may be forced to wait behind Nirvana and Pearl Jam, which is an inversion of how it should be) but after that their chances of being inducted are very good, deservedly so. KISS... that's a wait and see thing, but I think they're just too big of a name to be ignored for too much longer. The Dave Clark Five are in, they were inducted in 2008. They were nominated in 2007 but didn't make the cut. As for the other points:

-I'd put Britney in the 30-40% chances range right now. Most of her critical acclaim revolves around a couple of hits, and yes Madonna's hits are miles better. However, keep in mind: Artists with less critical acclaim have made it, and she's the survivor of the whole teen idol thing, as she's still packing stadiums and topping the charts while The Backstreet Boys are slowly being forgotten. I could increase her chances to 50% depending on what happens over the next 13 years. Wait and see. LL Cool J will get in eventually, but I think it's the Beastie Boys who get the nod this year. I wouldn't have an issue with Babyface getting in as a Non-Performer, and the issue of The Miracles not being in is baffling. I don't really know what to say to that.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 11.23.10 @ 09:49am


"and ironically enough Justin Timberlake solo has a better shot at this point. He's only released two albums so far, but they were highly regarded by critics..."

Great, the way he was able to keep going solo. Not listening to him much so when heard he won award for R&B - I said what... Then s/one told me that he is pretty good. He seems to have jumped in with hip/hop... developed his style and now s/what of a force to be reckoned with, with only two albums out. Right..
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"(This is quite interesting, let me know what you think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPiHZUhUIpM"

Well, okay I guess, but will take JT's.
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"Soundgarden isn't eligible until next year, so if they're not in the nominations list next September then we can start a riot."

Sure there w/b a riot at ddd.com. They love Chris C.
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"KISS... that's a wait and see thing, but I think they're just too big of a name to be ignored for too much longer."

Yep, just don't get the Hall. Guess, they just consider KISS to be costumes, huh. Not really listened much to their music, but it's almost like "KISS" is maybe a part of everyone's psyche or something...
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"...and she's the survivor of the whole teen idol thing, as she's still packing stadiums and topping the charts while The Backstreet Boys are slowly being forgotten..."


Yep, for I thought she was pretty much done after that Kevin F. fiasco, but she bounced back BIG TIME so we s/take our hats off to her, was able to pull it together..even w/little sister's troubles..
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"and the issue of The Miracles not being in is baffling. I don't really know what to say to that."

Well, he had a couple of solo hits or one, but don't think a big enough solo career to write home to moma. Could see him in as songwriter b/c he wrote hits for everyone...Temptations "My Girl", Mary Wells "My Guy" on and on and was Gordy's right hand, probably. But then, what was the name of those other guys in the group... Unlike Tempts, etc., the Miracles was Smokey.
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"A spokesperson for Journey is denying reports that surfaced Friday claiming that former lead singer Steve Perry had asked for his old job back."

Hope Perry does not go back into seclusion. Anything to try to get their album news out for every response from Journey camp is followed by mention of new album. No "Dirty Dozens" to propel sales this time.

Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 11.23.10 @ 18:39pm



Steve Perry is one of the most recognizable rock voice of the last 30 years! I hear him on the radio everyday! With his vocals on songs on current shows like GLEE.....I say....DON'T STOP BELIEVING!

Come on RNR Hall of Fame give credit to those who deserve it!

Posted by C Fletcher on Wednesday, 11.24.10 @ 17:02pm


"Well, he had a couple of solo hits or one, but don't think a big enough solo career to write home to moma. Could see him in as songwriter b/c he wrote hits for everyone...Temptations "My Girl", Mary Wells "My Guy" on and on and was Gordy's right hand, probably. But then, what was the name of those other guys in the group... Unlike Tempts, etc., the Miracles was Smokey."

The Miracles were an anomaly (spelling?) among the Motown groups in that they wrote their own material, credited to all of them, not just Smokey. Most Motown groups or performers sang material that had been written for them, which makes it a double standard that the Hall uses that as an excuse for keeping The Monkees out. They actually still continued to have hits after Smokey departed, and they were also one of the original Motown groups. You can't say you've properly represented R&B if you don't have them in. It turns out Smokey's solo career first began in 1973, which would have made him eligible for the Hall in 1998; however, he was inducted in 1987 (one of the first people inducted), meaning that the Hall broke their own rules. Apparently they did the same thing with Rod Stewart.

Oh, and on my Eric. B & Rakim analysis, I'd like to make an amendment: If the Hall just chooses to induct those in rap who have impacted rock (both Run DMC and Grandmaster Flash fall into this category, and this year's likely inductees the Beastie Boys do as well), then they'll be left out. If they choose to induct those who they consider to be the elite, then they'll have a legitimate shot. Same thing applies to LL Cool J.

Roy's annoyed a lot of us plenty of times, but hats off to him for putting up the Behind the Music. I recommend it to you, SL, you might find it interesting.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 11.26.10 @ 05:27am


"Well, he had a couple of solo hits or one, but don't think a big enough solo career to write home to moma. Could see him in as songwriter b/c he wrote hits for everyone...Temptations "My Girl", Mary Wells "My Guy" on and on and was Gordy's right hand, probably. But then, what was the name of those other guys in the group... Unlike Tempts, etc., the Miracles was Smokey."

Posted by Sam on Friday, 11.26.10 @ 05:27am

What the hell are you talking about Sam?

Are you talking about Steve Perry or are you talking about Smokey Robinson on a Steve Perry page.

Your post makes is sound like Steve Perry wrote all those songs for the Temptations and Mary Wells. Steve Perry was Berry Gordy's right hand man?

Smokey Robinson solo hits: Being With You, One Heartbeat, Just To See Her

Steve Perry solo hits: Foolish Heart, Oh Sherrie

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11.26.10 @ 05:45am


"The Miracles were an anomaly (spelling?) among the Motown groups in that they wrote their own material, credited to all of them, not just Smokey. Most Motown groups or performers sang material that had been written for them, which makes it a double standard that the Hall uses that as an excuse for keeping The Monkees out. They actually still continued to have hits after Smokey departed, and they were also one of the original Motown groups. You can't say you've properly represented R&B if you don't have them in. It turns out Smokey's solo career first began in 1973, which would have made him eligible for the Hall in 1998; however, he was inducted in 1987 (one of the first people inducted), meaning that the Hall broke their own rules. Apparently they did the same thing with Rod Stewart." Sam

Smokey persuaded Gordy to "be the man" instead of "work for the man." Miracles had hits after Smokey - apparently no one new or cared... He was just too big of a stand out in the group and he wrote not only for group, but others mega hits. I thought Nesbitt (?spelling) of the Monkeys was a writer. Did you say the Hall likes R&B, guess whether you wrote it or not. And, of course Rod Stewart belongs in the Hall or they w/hear from me. You might call him R&B.
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"If they choose to induct those who they consider to be the elite, then they'll have a legitimate shot. Same thing applies to LL Cool J."

Think he may just be considered "elite" with a hit show under his belt.
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Has there ever been such an outrage..where the Hall has really had to justify its induction(s) or do they just, so the speak, tell people to take a hike who do not approve...
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"What the hell are you talking about Sam?" Roy
("What'Ya talking about Willis.." late Gary C.)

Hey Roy, I wrote this and was talking about Smokey...

"Well, he had a couple of solo hits or one, but don't think a big enough solo career to write home to moma. Could see him in as songwriter b/c he wrote hits for everyone...Temptations "My Girl", Mary Wells "My Guy" on and on and was Gordy's right hand, probably. But then, what was the name of those other guys in the group... Unlike Tempts, etc., the Miracles was Smokey."
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"Smokey Robinson solo hits: Being With You, One Heartbeat, Just To See Her" Roy

I thought "Crusin" was his biggest solo hit...
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"Steve Perry solo hits: Foolish Heart, Oh Sherrie" Roy

Believe or not, Perry charted about 7 songs in Hot 100 incl FH and OH Sherrie....

You Better Wait, Missing You and I think "Strung Out... and of course he had solo writings in Journey - LTS, Sweet and Simple, Walk Like a Lady and "The Party's Over." Lights and Who's Crying Now were actually his creations.

And, think he contributed his "When I Think of You" to "We are the World."

Posted by S L Ballard on Friday, 11.26.10 @ 17:15pm


Correction above to "knew"

You should check out that Journey board, you may edit your post anytime, months later.
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"Roy's annoyed a lot of us plenty of times, but hats off to him for putting up the Behind the Music. I recommend it to you, SL, you might find it interesting." Sam

Were his intentions less than honorable... Seen it many times and each time kinda incensed with their pushing Perry for surgery b/c surgery IS a "personal decision." And, that statement "not feel a part of the band" that seems to have gotten everyone enraged, is fully understood by me and even this 15 year old..

(SPOnline/September 8, 2010)
“Steve Perry, I remember seeing you in We Are The World and I asked my dad, who’s that guy, as I’m a little older now, I am able to listen to Journey and understand how special you really are, your stage presence and the voice are unmatchable, I respect you as an artist, and I miss you in Journey but respect that everything can’t last forever, I’m only 15 but I miss Journey, I hope to see you one day performed, your modesty have inspired me because I sing as well and it taught me to pick my battles well, to be original ad that I can’t always fit in, so I make my own rules, I saw behind the music on VH1 and how you said you don’t feel apart of the group and people didn’t understand, I do, I know what’s it’s like to be in something and feel somewhat trapped or put aside, to like one part of something and not the other and to wonder is this really for me, we face those problems everyday living in America, but all I can say is the voice is something all rock artist should fear, I think that music is great because no matter how old it gets, somebody is always discovering it, thank you Steve for giving us songs like Foolish Heart, Lovin’ Touchin’ Squeezin, and the long hair what I consider the Perry-do!
One thing is also respect is how you didn’t get caught up in the rock star thing, you wanted a normal private life, which makes you my favorite Rock Star of all time!"

Posted by S L Ballard on Friday, 11.26.10 @ 17:34pm


True.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 11.28.10 @ 09:28am


Elaborate.

Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 11.30.10 @ 19:49pm


I kind of see where the kid is coming from, that's what I meant by "true".

We're getting close to the time of year when the inductions get announced, so with that in mind I'm going to review my analysis of the nominations.

When this year's nominations were announced I predicted those inducted would be:

"Bon Jovi, Donna Summer, LL Cool J, Tom Waits, Alice Cooper."

I stand by the Bon Jovi pick. I don't know why I picked Donna Summer over Chic, I just did. I could go either way on that one, though I'm leaning towards Summer. I suppose I picked LL Cool J for the rap selection because of his newfound popularity as a TV star; that was a foolish mistake. The Beastie Boys were more popular, more influential and are generally considered to be better, so I should've picked them instead. Tom Waits is a critical darling, but he's a left-field pick, whereas Neil Diamond is still big. Replace Waits with Diamond. I'm going to stick with Alice at my own risk.

If they induct 7, I'll add Waits and Chic OR LL Cool J OR Donovan.

In conclusion, revised predictions:

5 inductees: Bon Jovi, Alice Cooper, Neil Diamond, The Beastie Boys, Donna Summer

7 inductees: Those 5, Tom Waits, Chic (I made up my mind).

8 inductees: Those 7 inductees plus LL Cool J OR Donovan (probably the former).

Who I would induct:

5 inductees: Alice, Beasties, Waits, Chuck Willis, Donna Summer (as well as providing the second disco act, this also breaks the glass ceiling on electronica, which could force the issue on Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode and New Order).

7 inductees: Those 5, plus Chic and Neil Diamond.

8 inductees: Add LL Cool J (rockism's most hated ballot if this were to happen, with the exception of Alice and possibly Waits and Diamond).

I think they've said it'll be 7 inductees. We'll find out next week, I think; last year it was on Dec. 7th.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 12.1.10 @ 10:49am


Got a feeling....

Bon Jovi, Alice Cooper, Neil Diamond, Donna Summer, LL Cool J, Joe Tex, Chuck Willis and Chic (if not band, seems would as writers/collaborators.)

wild-cards.....Donovan, Wait, Dr. John..may be better than some of the ones I'm picking, but I'm going s/what too with popularity..

Maybe not really feasible that BJ would get in on his first nomination, but he is just everywhere right now after so many years so will stick with him.
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Beastie Boys seems to have done really well, but don't see much about them like in RollingStone mags, TV grammy shows.... or have I missed it...(not that I'm a staunch hardcore punk or hip-hop follower...) Wiki shows some influence maybe..
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Is this how she would get in...

Laura Nyro was best known, and enjoyed her greatest commercial success, as a composer and lyricist rather than as a performer. (Wiki)
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We will see.....

By Andy Greene
Sep 28, 2010 10:30 AM EDT

"Later this morning, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will announce their 2011 ballot. Rolling Stone can confirm that it includes first-time nominees Bon Jovi, Alice Cooper, Tom Waits, Donovan and Neil Diamond, plus previously nominated acts LL Cool J, J. Geils Band, Beastie Boys, Donna Summer, Chic, Dr. John, Laura Nyro, Joe Tex, Darlene Love and Chuck Willis. Artists must have released their first single in 1985 or earlier to be eligible in 2011. The top vote-getters will be announced in December, and formally inducted on March 14th 2011 at the Waldorf Astoria in New York City."

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 12.1.10 @ 17:17pm


Sam, I don't blame you for not knowing why you said Bon Jovi. I was seriously considering them in my pick too. Looking back, I probably should have. I'd probably now list BJ as a surer bet than JGB, but we'll see. I'll stand to be convicted by the pics I've posted.

BJ's not a bad prediction though just because Van Halen got in on their first try, too.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12.1.10 @ 18:21pm


"Beastie Boys seems to have done really well, but don't see much about them like in RollingStone mags, TV grammy shows.... or have I missed it..."

Rolling Stone rates them highly in their lists, for example the "Immortals" list.

Philip: I was certain about BJ from the get-go. I could go either way on the disco pick, so I don't know why I was so quick to pick Donna Summer when it's really an "either/or" thing.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 12.2.10 @ 17:00pm


"It's interesting that SP wants to rejoin Journey after all this time. Clearly Neal is happy with the way the band is now, so he'd be better going out on his own if he wants to get back in the game. Arnel Pineda has said that if SP wanted to rejoin he'd happily step aside. It'll be interesting to say if anything more develops." Sam 11.14.10

Journey's producer, Kevin Shirley...

www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/producer-kevin-shirley-on-joe-bonamassa-iron-maiden-led-zeppelin-316822/3
Plus Mr Big, Journey - and career advice!
Joe Bosso, Wed 1 Dec 2010, 9:35 pm UTC

There was a rumor going around recently that Steve Perry wanted back in.

"Well, that's just that - a rumor. But I can tell you he's still a key component of the decision-making part of the band. Nothing gets played or released without Steve Perry signing off on it. I'm not privy to the details of their arrangement, but I can tell you this: if Steve Perry wanted to be back singing with Journey, everybody would find a way to make that happen."
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Don't think SP would have signed off on those "note for note" rerecords.

Do you like Iron Maiden..
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http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/classic-rock-presents-aor-goes-on-sale-tomorrow/
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Can you believe this...Grammy

By Erica Futterman RollingStone
Dec 07, 2010 11:48 AM EST

Q&A: 'Glee' Creator Ryan Murphy Reveals Plans for Rest of Season'We will continue to use Journey songs,' says Murphy

What do you think it is about "Don't Stop Believin'" that made it the song from Glee to get nominated for Best Pop Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocals, out of everything else you've done this year?

"For us, it was the first song that we did. It was the first single. It sold a million copies for us. It was in the pilot. I think it was the musical thing that got everybody talking about the show because the pilot aired in May [2009] and that song played all through the summer and sold all through the summer and was there in the fall when we went back in the air."

Have you heard from any of the guys in Journey since the nomination?

"Since the nominations, no, but we did speak to Steve Perry [before]. He's stopped by the set, he's very supportive of the show, I think so much because the show is so much about arts education and he particularly really loves that and got that early on. I haven't heard from him [since the nominations] but I want to. I want to tell him how excited we are about it."
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May not hear from "the guys" and "the guys" may not care "how excited" they are...

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 12.8.10 @ 21:16pm


"Beastie Boys seems to have done really well, but don't see much about them like in RollingStone mags, TV grammy shows.... or have I missed it..." SL

I missed it but see it now.... and too at Billboard...

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 12.8.10 @ 21:20pm


"Do you like Iron Maiden.."

Yes, a lot. Annoying omission. New album out a couple of months ago, came in at #1 in the UK (the first time in 18 years they've done it, and the fourth time overall), #5 on Billboard, and now they're off on yet another sold-out world tour. They can pack stadiums in Mexico and South America still. Who else can do that? Well, possibly AC/DC (in), possibly Metallica (influenced by Maiden, in), possibly U2 (in), possibly Bon Jovi (probably in next week). #4 on MTV News' 10 Greatest Metal Bands, behind only Metallica (in), Judas Priest and Sabbath (in). #3 on VH1's Greatest Metal Bands, behind only Metallica and AC/DC. #24 on VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock. Of the 23 ahead of them, 14 are already in the Hall (it'll be up to 15 if Alice Cooper gets in next week). Four more ahead of them on the list will almost certainly be inducted over the course of the next decade.

They were at the forefront of a whole new movement. They were undoubtably innovators, and have left their mark on several different metal sub-genres, influencing countless bands in the process. They've survived over 30 years despite changing tastes and different trends. Chock full of talent. Estimated to have sold 85 million records worldwide despite (mostly) not making radio friendly music, not getting much airplay and being supported only by Hard Rock writers and MTV Headbanger's Ball. I don't care too much about popularity figures, but these ones are just the icing on the cake. There are 67 artists estimated to have sold more than Maiden, but 26 are in the Hall already. That number could be up to 28 by next week. Are some of the remaining 47 more qualified to be in the Hall than Maiden? Yes. Are there some that have sold less that deserve in first? Yes. But some of the ones that have sold more are also far less qualified. Take a look for yourself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists) and decide. What more do they need to do to get inducted?

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 12.9.10 @ 03:52am


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

Abba and Madonna hanging in there with the Big Boys. Wow, no one should be complaining about Madonna.

1 billion for Beatles and Elvis...

Journey - over 25 million outside US, not bad for a band that was all US...except Japan..

Ricky Martin 60 million - no wonder jumping around like a young Elvis.

Cher - 60 million (w/o Sonny..)..

Rihanna 60 million and Beyonce' 50m...is that right..

Spice Girls 75m....

Britney and Janet J 100m

Mariah and Celine 200m

Elton J sold 250m more than Pink Floyd and Rollingstones

Was Brett M/Poison not that big, name not on list.

Could go on and on....How did I miss that list..

What's the biggest surprises for you.

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 12.9.10 @ 18:13pm


I suppose the fact that Lady Gaga's already sold 55 million. I don't believe that. I'm skeptical about Rihanna's sales as well.

"Was Brett M/Poison not that big, name not on list."

The US was their primary market. I haven't really heard about them dominating any overseas markets.

"Journey - over 25 million outside US, not bad for a band that was all US...except Japan.."

I think they're big in the Phillipines now. Other markets is how Iron Maiden, Deep Purple and KISS got it done. Same with Robbie Williams (who never broke the US, though Take That did for about 30 seconds) and Oasis.

"Abba and Madonna hanging in there with the Big Boys. Wow, no one should be complaining about Madonna."

They do because Madonna's "not Rock 'n' Roll", which was the same thing hurled at ABBA when they were inducted. One person called the latter "the Spice Girls of the 70's". They formed on their own, wrote, played and produced their own stuff and DO have rock cred (if you watched the VH1 thing you'd have seen some heavy guys giving ABBA their props, while Zeppelin, Genesis and Roxy Music all used Polar Studios). I'm not a fan but I admire the fact that they've stayed not reunited in order to stay fresh. They even turned down a billion dollar offer to do a reunion tour. For some reason I don't think the Spice Girls will be getting those kinds of offers in 30 years... Anyway, obviously the Hall's just using the term "Rock 'n' Roll" as a catchphrase, because if they were taking the name literally there would've been very few inductions.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 12.10.10 @ 11:05am


"I think they're big in the Phillipines now"

Would think so with Arnel. He's probably their only star..
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"I'm not a fan but I admire the fact that they've stayed not reunited in order to stay fresh."

Who else has.. What is Brian May/Queen doing now-a-days..

I think Perry was hoping for s/thing like that for Journey but history now.. Probably continue as they are playing a couple of years then off to try to keep the spark since new music is not doing anything.

Most times when you hear of old bands, reuniting or not, there seems such bitterness. Are there a couple out there that like each other that could easily reunite joyfully..
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"Anyway, obviously the Hall's just using the term "Rock 'n' Roll" as a catchphrase, because if they were taking the name literally there would've been very few inductions."

Think all music is "R 'n' R" - that's the way the see...
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Only one Opera guy on list - Luciana P. with 100m

Can't get over Mariah 200m - knew big seller in 90s but didn't think that..

Do you think Tupac's 75m is pretty accurate...

Nirvana w/Kurt C... and Police w/Sting only 50m..
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What's the status of hard rock now-a-days...





Posted by S L Ballard on Friday, 12.10.10 @ 16:20pm


"What is Brian May/Queen doing now-a-days.."

He hasn't done much musically in the past decade, but he has gotten another degree. He studied physics and mathematics (the complete opposite of me) at the Imperial College in London, and got one degree. He then continued later on in life, and got his PhD in astrophysics in 2007. He graduated in 2008, and was also named Chancellor of Liverpool John Moores University.

"Nirvana w/Kurt C... and Police w/Sting only 50m.."

Sounds fine for Nirvana, but The Police? Nah, I don't really believe that. They were one of the first bands besides Queen to focus on being big in markets not named Canada, the US and the UK (okay, The Beatles were big in most places, but you get the point). 50 million sounds a bit too low for them.

"What's the status of hard rock now-a-days..."

Not that great in the mainstream, but I guess there's some smaller bands that are alright. I don't really keep up with it.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 12.11.10 @ 05:43am


Dameon said, way back when:

"Here are a few that deserve it much more:

Deep Purple
ELP
King Crimson
Alice Cooper
The Stooges
NY Dolls
Cheap Trick
Joy Division
Procul Harum
T. Rex
The Cure
The Smiths
Def Leppard
The Runaways
Pat Benetar
Gang of Four"

The Stooges and Alice Cooper have since been inducted, so we'll replace them with the MC5, Motorhead, KISS, Thin Lizzy and Judas Priest. I can add more names if needed. Just thought I'd repost it in case any further discussion was required. I'll post my snubs queue if said discussion happens. Oh, and I'll share a ballad since people here seem to dig them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNy0ZRLrtis&feature=related

Thinking that Lea Michele should maybe sing with Journey if things go wrong with Arnel,

Sam

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 01.12.11 @ 12:45pm


This person deserves it much more....nuff said!

Steve Perry
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Like that ballad, thxs!
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Is Lea Michele a "copycat." If so, she would get the job.
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Have you purchased your Journey, Foreigner and Styx uk tour ticket yet? I'm sure you can't wait, but hurry, only 5 or 6 shows scheduled.

Have a Great day!

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 01.19.11 @ 13:57pm


"Is Lea Michele a 'copycat.' If so, she would get the job."

No. If you've seen Glee (I have, and occasionally it's interesting to me) then you will have heard her sing. I think she's got some pipes on her.

"Have you purchased your Journey, Foreigner and Styx uk tour ticket yet? I'm sure you can't wait, but hurry, only 5 or 6 shows scheduled."

I think there needs to be a sarcasm font installed. I don't hate those bands, I'm actually just ambivalent, for the most part. Who knows, Journey may headline Download again at some point. The Big Four will be touring the UK this year though, so maybe I'll see that. My boys Suede have continued their reunion, so maybe I'll be able to spend my money seeing them at some point. Too late to get tickets for the Judas Priest farewell tour, though.

Glad Alice Cooper's finally been inducted.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 01.29.11 @ 14:32pm


Haven't been able to brace myself enough to tolerate watching Glee.

Have you seen the new American Idol? What do you think about the new judges? I like, for was never a Simon fan anyway.. Quite surprise with S. Tyler b/c thought he would be too crazy; but think he is just fine and kicks in quirky just at the right time. Judging by some of the contestants thus far, J Lo and ST may have to provide some entertainment.

Always hated "sarcasm" for the Greek meaning is "tearing of the flesh."

Did I get more RRHOF inductions right than you? Would go back and check, but s/times I may be s/what indifferent to being incorrect.

Bon Jovi topped 2010 touring with over 200m. If he continues his popularity and bringing big crowds, they won't be able to keep him out of that....RRHOF.

Journey participated, but did not headline Download in 2009. They are doing a world tour Brazil, Puerto Rico, Germany, etc. Neal says he always wanted to be world band, but "he who cannot be named" did not want to go. Do you know to whom he is referring? (oops!- more sarcasm)

"The Big Four will be touring the UK this year though, so maybe I'll see that."

name...

Alice Cooper should have been in along with KISS.

For RollingStone's Top 100 Artist people are upset that Pink Floyd is not listed.. Seems most that you like are listed, except Queen.

Do you agree with top 20.....

1. Beatles
2. Bob Dylan
3. Elvis P.
4. Rollingstones
5. Chuck Berry
6. Jimi Hendrix
7. James Brown
8. Little Richard
9. Aretha Franklin
10. Ray Charles
11. Bob Marley
12. Beach Boys
13. Buddy Holly
14. Led Zeppelin
15. Stevie Wonder
16. Sam Cooke
17. Muddy Waters
18. Marvin Gaye
19. The Velvet Underground
20. Bo Didley

Are these about the same as the other above-list that we analyzed? Think that was a VH1 list...

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 01.30.11 @ 16:01pm


Did you hear anything....

Read on one site last week that Mick Jagger was dead at age 68, then searched and checked RollingStone and never found, nor was it all over the news/net as IT WOULD HAVE BEEN!

That site should be SUED, but they pulled article after my informing them of their credibility or lack of cred...

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 01.30.11 @ 17:43pm


o you agree with top 20.....

1. Beatles
2. Bob Dylan
3. Elvis P.
4. Rollingstones
5. Chuck Berry
6. Jimi Hendrix
7. James Brown
8. Little Richard
9. Aretha Franklin
10. Ray Charles
11. Bob Marley
12. Beach Boys
13. Buddy Holly
14. Led Zeppelin
15. Stevie Wonder
16. Sam Cooke
17. Muddy Waters
18. Marvin Gaye
19. The Velvet Underground
20. Bo Didley

Are these about the same as the other above-list that we analyzed? Think that was a VH1 list...

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 01.30.11 @ 16:01pm

Led Zeppelin at 14????

Posted by akeem on Sunday, 01.30.11 @ 17:43pm


"Have you seen the new American Idol? What do you think about the new judges?"

Nay. I watched one episode once out of curiosity with a friend, but it didn't do a whole lot for me. I'm not sure about Mr. Tyler doing it, but if he enjoys it then cool... he's earned the right to branch out a bit at this point. I'll just go listen to Rocks (Aerosmith's peak) if I ever feel uncomfortable about him doing it.

The Big Four of Thrash Metal, I was referring to. Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth and Anthrax.

"Read on one site last week that Mick Jagger was dead at age 68, then searched and checked RollingStone and never found, nor was it all over the news/net as IT WOULD HAVE BEEN!"

Ha... there was a news item saying that Van Morrison had been removed from the Hall for illegally betting on his albums... turned out to be false, thank God. You don't want to stir the Irish blood (quarter Irish) in me by doing that, as that would leave U2 as the only representatives. Yes, VM is Northern Irish, a place I have no connection to, but for a long time they were the same thing.

"1. Beatles
2. Bob Dylan
3. Elvis P.
4. Rollingstones
5. Chuck Berry
6. Jimi Hendrix
7. James Brown
8. Little Richard
9. Aretha Franklin
10. Ray Charles
11. Bob Marley
12. Beach Boys
13. Buddy Holly
14. Led Zeppelin
15. Stevie Wonder
16. Sam Cooke
17. Muddy Waters
18. Marvin Gaye
19. The Velvet Underground
20. Bo Didley"

Fair enough, though I might take Zeppelin up a bit, as they're more relevant today than the Beach Boys. Yes, I think Queen and Floyd should've made the list.

"Bon Jovi topped 2010 touring with over 200m. If he continues his popularity and bringing big crowds, they won't be able to keep him out of that....RRHOF."

Yep. Next year Guns 'n' Roses and/or KISS could replace them, but since it's the 25th anniversary of Slippery When Wet I think they'll return to the ballot.

My predictions... I predicted the following would be nominated:

1. Red Hot Chili Peppers.
2. Stevie Ray Vaughan.
3. The Moody Blues OR Yes OR ELP.
4. Depeche Mode OR Eurythmics OR Kraftwerk.
5. The Cure.
6. Darlene Love.
7. Afrika Bambatta OR LL Cool J OR Beastie Boys. 8. MC5 or New York Dolls.
9. KISS.
10. Johnny Burnette and the Rock 'n' Roll Trio.
11. Donna Summer OR Chic OR War.
12. ?

The first 5 were wrong. Darlene Love I got right. The rap pick: Two of the three names I threw out were correct, so I'll give myself two correct picks there. Same with the R&B pick, Donna Summer and Chic. If what I'd picked had panned out, that would've been a pretty good ballot. However, 5 out of 15; awful picking. I then changed my mind and picked:

Red Hot Chili Peppers, Beastie Boys, MC5, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Peter Gabriel, Donna Summer, Johnny Burnette & the Rock 'n' Roll Trio, KISS, Kraftwerk

2 out of 9.

More in a minute.



Posted by Sam on Monday, 01.31.11 @ 07:13am


They came up with a surprisingly good list of nominees. I finally picked:

Alice
Bon Jovi
Beasties
Diamond
J. Geils
Chic
Waits OR Dr. John OR Willis OR Tex

Dr. John and Waits got it, so that's 4 out of 7. Not bad. I do have ideas for who might be nominated next year, but it might be too early for me to talk about them.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 01.31.11 @ 07:41am


What is that? Can someone delete?

Bon Jovi will be nominated next year, and hopefully Steve Perry!

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 02.17.11 @ 20:29pm


"Bon Jovi will be nominated next year, and hopefully Steve Perry!"

Alright, who I think are the top contenders for nomination next year:

-KISS
-Laura Nyro (with Neil Diamond and Tom Waits both in they'll need a new singer-songwriter to induct, and Alice Cooper will vote for her)
-J. Geils Band
-Guns 'n' Roses (first ballot induction in my opinion)
-Chic
-Bon Jovi (the ticket sellers, plus extra publicity as it's the 25th anniversary of Slippery When Wet)
-Deep Purple
-Red Hot Chili Peppers
-MC5 (the biggest Detroit Rock omission with Alice Cooper in; I actually thought The Stooges being inducted would get them back on the ballot, only for Alice to beat them)
-Beastie Boys (LL Cool J has been on the ballot two years in a row, much to the dismay of some people, who feel these guys would have got in last year if not for his presence on the ballot. This year they'll be the sole rap act, as it's the 25th anniversary of Licensed to Ill)
-LL Cool J
-Donovan
-New York Dolls
-Joe Tex

Other possibilities:
-Yes (if anymore prog gets on the ballot it'll be them, and if they get nominated they'll get in, I think)
-Soundgarden (will get in eventually, but I doubt it'll be right away)
-Chuck Willis
-Def Leppard (Been discussed before, and Bon Jovi's nomination could be what it takes to get them on the ballot)
-Eric B & Rakim
-The Cure (if any pre-Radiohead British Alternative gets inducted it'll be them)
-Depeche Mode (see The Cure)

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 02.20.11 @ 12:16pm


Nice list, Sam, but there's not enough first-time nominees on the list. They usually have a good crop of first-timers on the ballot. I don't think Eric B & Rakim are going anywhere until LL Cool J, the Beastie Boys AND Afrika Bambaataa get in, and even then, they might still have to wait for Public Enemy, NWA and Ice-T.

With Nile Rodgers' announcement of battling cancer, the imperative to induct Chic will overwhelm the NomCom. The question is will it sway voters?

Posted by Philip on Monday, 02.21.11 @ 07:46am


I've kind of given up on Afika Bambatta at this point. His last nomination was awhile ago and he's being overtaken now as far as rap priorities are concerned.

The Chic thing is an annoying thing about the Hall (both the Nom Com and voters). They don't get people in originally, and then get them in when they're dead. Why was George Harrison not worthy when alive and then worthy when dead? See also: Ron Asheton, Dave Clark Five... just recently Captain Beefheart and Gary Moore both died as well. Not that Moore snuffing it is going to increase Thin Lizzy's chances for induction, but there you are.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 02.23.11 @ 08:25am


"They don't get people in originally, and then get them in when they're dead." Sam

"Death is becoming"?

Do you think Justin Bieber should have won the grammy for best new artist... I must have fallen asleep s/where along the way b/c don't really know much of the person who won, jazz vocalist Esperanza Spalding. But know her now.

RollingStone cover 3.3.11 "Justin Bieber Super Boy"

Posted by S L Ballard on Wednesday, 02.23.11 @ 17:59pm


"Do you think Justin Bieber should have won the grammy for best new artist"

I'm sure I could find someone better if I tried hard enough. His ignorance in saying only married people should get it on isn't going to help him either. Actually, I don't really follow awards shows. 1989: An aging Jethro Tull somehow beat Metallica for best Hard Rock/Heavy Metal Grammy. 1992: Eric Clapton's (who I like) acoustic rendition of "Layla" beats "Smells Like Teen Spirit" for best Rock Song Grammy...

It's not just the Grammy's either. There have been about 3 (maybe 4) Brit Awards in my lifetime which mean anything to me... 2 (or 3) of those I'm too young to remember.

"With Nile Rodgers' announcement of battling cancer, the imperative to induct Chic will overwhelm the NomCom. The question is will it sway voters?" - Philip

That would be nice. Donna Summer getting in would be cool as well, to finally get some electronica in.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 02.24.11 @ 04:23am


No time to check, but is Gloria Gaynor in? Donna Summers should be own her way. How many times was that Love lady nominated before she got in.

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 02.24.11 @ 04:59am


Donna Summer WILL be on her way!

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 02.24.11 @ 05:01am


Gloria Gaynor will NEVER get in the Hall... nevermind the slim pickings on disco in the first place, but Gaynor was not a big presence on the pop charts, and the NomCom people take very little notice of the R&B and Dance charts if the artists they're looking to prop up weren't big on the pop charts. Otherwise, the Bar-Kays and Charles Wright and the 103rd Watts Street Band (I can never get the name right) would be no-brainers. Gaynor has zero chance.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 02.24.11 @ 17:42pm


Really? I thought that "I Will Survive" song was huge, huge, to the point of getting her in like that other guy who got in b/c of one song, Percy Sledge with "When A Man Loves a Woman."

Even the States former President Clinton likes "I Will Survive."

How did Otis Redding get in? I think his only poppish song was "Sittin on the Dock of the Bay."

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 02.24.11 @ 20:56pm


Posted by Joe on Thursday, 02.3.11 @ 23:03pm
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Does Joe's post on the Journey Board have a ring of truth that if Steve Perry returned to Journey .....

Posted by S L Ballard on Thursday, 02.24.11 @ 21:07pm


Percy Sledge is pretty much the only one-hit wonder (what Gloria Gaynor is) to date to make the Hall... I think, and it's probably going to stay that way. By "hit" I mean a top 40 hit.

Otis Redding got in because he's considered to be one of the greatest singers of all time.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 02.25.11 @ 04:17am


I do think Joe has a good point there.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 02.25.11 @ 04:19am


What do you think about this song....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIBvmm9bQ0k

Posted by S L Ballard on Saturday, 02.26.11 @ 19:23pm


It's all right. I rarely come to a full judgement after one listen, so I'll listen again later. Neal's solo was pretty cool.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 02.27.11 @ 06:15am


Actually, Sam, some other only-one-Top-40-hit inductees include Carl Perkins, Janis Joplin, the Grateful Dead, the Jimi Hendrix Experience, and the Buffalo Springfield... probably a few others, plus those who never made the Pop's Top 40 (in the U.S.) like Muddy Waters, the Velvet Underground, the Sex Pistols, Buddy Guy, the Stooges, and next month, Tom Waits.

The difference is, all those other artists have a legacy beyond the one or no Top 40 hit. Gloria Gaynor doesn't. Not even her version of "Never Can Say Goodbye" adds anything substantial. All she is, is "I Will Survive", and unlike "When A Man Loves A Woman", which helped usher in a new era of smoother soul, "I Will Survive" did NOT usher in the era of disco, it was NOT the first pro-woman anthem in pop music, it didn't pave the way for anything in music... it's just a pro-woman anthem that unlike "You Don't Own Me" or "I Am Woman" is danceable, which is ironic, because imo, women look the most absurd dancing to that song, because they feel so "liberated" that they create moves that would make Elaine from Seinfeld feel secure about her dance floor skillz.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 02.27.11 @ 09:09am


I might be missing something here, but Percy Sledge did have a few songs other than "When a Man Loves a Woman" on the Billboard Hot 100 charts on a higher position than 40: "Warm and Tender Love" (17), "It Tears Me Up" (20) and "Take Time to Know Her" (11).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Sledge#Singles

HOWEVER, "When a Man Loves a Woman" was his only Top 10.


Also, I loved the bit on Gloria Gaynor, Philip.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 02.27.11 @ 09:26am


And no that was not a justification of Percy Sledge's induction

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 02.27.11 @ 09:33am


Well, since "The" Elton John seems to think "I Will Survive" is the big standing anthem for now, I just thought that was huge, huge to maybe have incited induction.....

"Lady Gaga's New Single 'Born This Way'
The first song from Gaga's new album debuted today
By Matthew Perpetua
February 11, 2011 8:55 AM ET

"Lady Gaga has been teasing fans with hints about her new single "Born This Way" for over a month – and the song finally debuted on radio today. Now you can listen for yourself to the song that Elton John says will be "the anthem that's going to obliterate 'I Will Survive.'"


Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 02.27.11 @ 15:35pm


Oh goodness no.... if Elton John's trying to get YOU inducted, then yes, you've got a good shot at it (see: Leon Russell). If Elton John loves your one big song, no, not enough. And again, I Will Survive became anthemic for two major reasons: it was more danceable and more of a party song than "I Am Woman", and two, because the context of the song is about getting out of a bad relationship, which is more common and more accessible than the broader lexicon that Reddy or Gaga sing with.

And "Born This Way" has little chance of becoming anthemic if Madonna decides to ask the courts to compare it to "Express Yourself." It'll make the song more popular... for the moment, but not anthemic.

I think if men really wanted to undo feminism, all they would have to do is put "I Will Survive" on repeat play and then hold session to establish a patriarchal society for good. Women would be too busy dancing and making fools of themselves on the floor to stop the men from getting their way. If a man wants to go out for the night and his wife's trying to stop him, just play "I Will Survive" on repeat, and she'll still be dancing by the time he returns from the bar, good and soused.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 02.28.11 @ 06:58am


Mmm... going to the bar. Sounds excellent.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 02.28.11 @ 07:39am


+11111

Long ways from home again, huh....
----

"March 3, 2011 at 4:42 pm / SPOL
Hey Mr. Perry, I’m a senior at a school named Niceville Senior High School. This year has been a one of a kind. The beginning of the year I found that our marching band named Eagle Pride was going to perform Journey songs. Everyone in the band, (close to 300), knew about the songs and was excited to be able to play a tribute to the band. We had a composer, who’s name escapes me, compose the songs in different keys that you wouldn’t hear from a marching band on the field. It wasn’t till after hard sweat and blood before I found out how inspiring your music is and how much depth there is in it. I want to know if you would like to see a video of our band playing your music and see how much your music has touched out hearts, not just mine. The link to the video is below, its from youtube….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60qYh0fpCGE

Sincerely,"

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 03.27.11 @ 19:45pm


No other singer embodies the emotion and soul Steve Perry has. He delivered every time he stepped on stage in a true energetic, rock and roll fashion. His voice soars and takes you to places your ears didn't know exist-he's magic!
A true legend!

Posted by M Jones on Tuesday, 04.5.11 @ 10:30am


I find it interesting how whenever a candidate for the RRHOF has no chance due to their footnote worthy career in music history (I'm referring to Steve Perry solo here, not Journey), always begin using vague words like "magic," "legend," "energetic" when describing their pet projects and consistently fail to acknowledge any influence or innovation or lasting impact.

It's just a darn shame for 'ol Stevie P that "being magic" isn't enough to get in the Hall of Fame, isn't it?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 04.5.11 @ 17:29pm


Peter Cetera is better than Steve Perry and Dennis DeYoung.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 04.5.11 @ 17:43pm


Speaking as a Journey fan, let me say that Steve Perry needs Neil Schon (and to a lesser extent, Jonathan Cain)to be good. His solo career is great proof of this.

Posted by Jim on Tuesday, 04.5.11 @ 19:36pm


Steve Perry is better than that Cetera. DD's voice seems just as strong and great now as it is on Styx's records.

Steve Perry's solo albums are BETTER than Journey. And what has Schon and Cain done w/o Perry? Here you go....

"Journey believin with the Filipino Steve Perry sound-alike." RollingStone 7/2008

That's sound-alike #2 and #1 was Steve A and #3 Jeff Soto, not really, although he tried hard to be, but unfortunately was dismissed. Three influences right there....

"fail to acknowledge any influence or innovation or lasting impact." Tahvo

More influences...?

spin.com/articles/best-worst-moments-sxsw-2011-day-1 / March 17, 2011

"BEST NEXT KINGS OF LEON: MONA
This Nashville quartet, who were recently scooped up by major label Universal, offered up raucous, arena-ready burners reminiscent of the Followill Brothers' smashes like "Sex on Fire." And while singer Nick Brown's vocal style veered occasionally into Steve Perry pomp, it's the vitriolic, lung-busting screams that he unleashed in their set-closing punk anthem that could be the band's secret weapon. -- K.O. "

abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=resources/lifestyle_community&id=7847962 /December 17, 2010

"Drawing from musical influences that include Ella Fitzgerald, Ann Wilson (Heart), Steve Perry (Journey) and her extensive live performance work, she is taking her soulful four-octave range on a new voyage with her album release, "Time Signatures." In collaboration with mentor/producer Jim Peterik (Grammy award winner, Oscar nominee for "Eye Of The Tiger," writer of "The Search Is Over,"

"Influenced Chris Daughtry, Chad Kroeger, Rob Thomas" RollingStone Top 100 Singers 2008

'ol Steve P" is just fine.


Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 04.5.11 @ 22:54pm


"Steve Perry's solo albums are BETTER than Journey."--S L Ballard

And I stopped reading here. I was too busy being doubled over with laughter.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 04.5.11 @ 23:35pm


Rightly or wrongly, Steve will not be inducted, though no comment on what's transpiring here. The only likely inductee from 2009 is the Red Hot Chili Peppers, who will be inducted sometime in the next couple of years. Honorable Mentions:

-Steve Perry
-Whitney Houston (Talented, but too lightweight, and represents an era most of us would rather avoid)
-The Pogues (Could be a case to be made here, but too Irish to be considered, and that's a good thing; I wouldn't have it any other way)
-The Jesus & Mary Chain (Have the good old I&I down, nobody who's properly followed Alternative and Indie will deny them their due [Psychocandy alone hits on all the criteria] and too obscure; if they were inducted they'd be the first inductees to never chart on the Top 200)
-The Cult (Some solid stuff, but there's a lot of bands who can say that)
-Pet Shop Boys (Probably some influence, but the Hall will not accept synth-pop; Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode and Eurythmics would all likely have to come first, and that'll take awhile)

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 04.7.11 @ 10:26am


"Peter Cetera is better than Steve Perry and Dennis DeYoung"

Nope, I'd rank Perry 1st, and Chris Cornell's better than all three.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 04.7.11 @ 10:28am


Sam, if you don't mind, I'm going to weigh in a bit here, just felt like throwing my opinion in:

"-Whitney Houston (Talented, but too lightweight, and represents an era most of us would rather avoid)"

No, Whitney Houston should not be in, I agree with you. However, I disagree that her omission should be due to some sort of selective disregard. just because she represents a style most people cringe at. It'd be like ignoring the Carpenters just because of a hatred for AC. I'd rather see Whitney stay out due to a lack of overall I, I & I.


"-The Pogues (Could be a case to be made here, but too Irish to be considered, and that's a good thing; I wouldn't have it any other way)"

If one takes a listen through the Pogues' discography, specifically everything from Red Roses for Me to Hell's Ditch, it becomes obvious what an amazing talent they possess. Their innovation and experimentation is way too cool for the Hall anyway, even though they deserve to be in, without a doubt. Especially considering their influence that has become apparent in recent years.


"-The Jesus & Mary Chain (Have the good old I&I down, nobody who's properly followed Alternative and Indie will deny them their due [Psychocandy alone hits on all the criteria] and too obscure; if they were inducted they'd be the first inductees to never chart on the Top 200)"

Another act who have a better case than most, but who Cleveland will continue to snub, unfortunately.


"-The Cult (Some solid stuff, but there's a lot of bands who can say that)"

I've been familiar with the Cult for a while now, and I know they're respected in some circles. Never quite got into their stuff, even though I've tried. I know they certainly had innovation and their influence is probably shared with their contemporaries. I certainly wouldn't be opposed to it, but I can't see it happening, at least not for a while, just by seeing how the NomCom seems to operate.


"-Pet Shop Boys (Probably some influence, but the Hall will not accept synth-pop; Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode and Eurythmics would all likely have to come first, and that'll take awhile)"

The Pet Shop Boys are an interesting case for me, in terms of their obvious mainstream hits, I love some of it ("It's a Sin," "Always on My Mind") and yet feel seasick to some of it ("West End Girls"). An impressive synthpop and New Wave act with excellent orchestration and a house/dance music feel to them. They've sold over 100 million albums worldwide and are usually highly praised which means they must have done something right/have influence somewhere. Like you said, however, the Hall won't get around to them for a long time (if ever).

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 04.7.11 @ 11:19am


"Peter Cetera is better than Steve Perry and Dennis DeYoung"

Nope, sorry. Perry is better than either of those two.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 04.7.11 @ 11:30am


Actually Tahvo, TJAMC did get into the top 200, only at 98.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 04.7.11 @ 12:37pm


Ah, I see. I was quoting Sam specifically, but I didn't know that myself.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 04.7.11 @ 12:40pm


"I'd rather see Whitney stay out due to a lack of overall I, I & I."

I think you misread. I stated the reasons I think she won't be inducted. I'm not a fan myself, but you could make a case based on the influence factor.

I checked and GFW is correct; TJ&MC had all but one of their albums chart on the Top 200, but the highest position was #98. My bad. They also had some success on the Modern Rock Track Charts, and did have some real commercial success in the UK, so I'm not sure why AMG calls their chart success "non-existent". I may have been thinking of My Bloody Valentine, one of the bands they influenced.

The Cult: The album Love is pretty good with some classic tracks; kind of post-punk meets Zeppelin meets The Doors. "She Sells Sanctuary" was the only track Rolling Stone dug, really; on it's release the first line of their review of it (David Fricke was the reviewer) was "Just what the world needs: A post-punk Grand Funk Railroad". Some other great songs as well, though they're at best a borderline case for me.

I agree on The Pogues. RS&TL alone gives them a strong case.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 04.8.11 @ 12:01pm


"And I stopped reading here. I was too busy being doubled over with laughter." Philip

Well, that is the problem, you just haven't listened to Perry's solo albums to really appreciate how great they are... Give them a few spins and you'll see...
----

"Rightly or wrongly, Steve will not be inducted" Sam

wrongly!

As you stated on the Journey board, that if someone were on the committee to really appreciate the 70's and 80's, things could possibly swing to the bands' favor.

And, it has often been said that if only one singer could define that musical era/AOR, it would be Steve Perry. With that thought in mind, that in itself would probably incite a solo induction for SP. (1 + 1 = 2)
-----

Thought Whitney had lots of influences... Maybe should blame here exclusion, if so, on someone else who may have truncated her career.

Posted by S L Ballard on Sunday, 04.10.11 @ 03:12am


With Journey, and with Journey only.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 05.18.11 @ 16:40pm


Steve Perry is the most identifiable voice in arena rock...will never be another with his clarity, pure talent, range, emotion. Whatever he sang, you knew it was Steve Perry. Furthermore, what a great entertainer, fun, upbeat, sexy...solo, he could work a crowd like I've never seen another. And, let's don't forget his writing ability. He's stood the test of time and still getting radio play in 2011. Screw Journey...Steve Perry was Journey!

Posted by GNT on Tuesday, 05.24.11 @ 00:29am


http://digitaldreamdoor.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=187&start=330

"Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Live Rock Vocalists Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 4:32 pm

Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:07 pm
Posts: 604 Steve Perry is the greatest live vocalist of all time!"




Posted by S L Ballard on Tuesday, 05.24.11 @ 21:30pm


"He's stood the test of time and still getting radio play in 2011."

If airplay is your criteria then why don't I see you making a stand for Britney? (Yes, I'm being fececious.)

"Screw Journey...Steve Perry was Journey!"

Nonsense. I've already argued this point and was forced to agree to differ.

SL: I will check out that link, certainly.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 05.28.11 @ 11:59am


Seen it. Never mind.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 05.28.11 @ 12:03pm


That is Freddie and Lambert's country at DDD, but Steve Perry gets this nod: "no one touches Perry live."

I beg to differ Sam. Shall agree with GNT: Steve Perry is Journey." One fan posted this review after Journey's show in 2/2011:

"What so amazing about the new singer is every lick is Steve Perry, yet different." That difference must be "his own little twist" as some say.

Hey Sam, Journey's new album, Eclipse, debuted with only 21,000 + sales. I guess fans have stopped believing. That quasi-platinum Revelation debuted with about 100,000. Eclipse has been called a "Neal Schon guitar fest."

You never did give that song another listen and tell me what you thought. Did you not like it?

Posted by S L Ballard on Friday, 06.3.11 @ 22:27pm


Didn't get round to it. I forgot about it, in part because I was involved in the album project. I had to focus on my voluntary work (in a school) and finishing an online course, and by then it was mid-to late April and I'd forgotten. I then went on vacation for a couple weeks in May, but yeah I'll give it another listen.

21,000? Guess they'll have to stick to touring. No shame in that; it's just inevitable sometimes with the passage of time. The Stones, The Who, Rush, Foreigner, Depeche Mode, Pearl Jam, The Cure and Def Leppard have all remained popular touring attractions even though people aren't interested in what they've done lately. (Foreigner is the only one of those I don't care for, and not entirely coincidentally the only one I would not put in my personal Hall of Fame.)

Posted by Sam on Monday, 06.6.11 @ 06:32am


Don't sweat it Sam. Hope the class and all went well, and vacations are always super.

Yeah, many at the Journey forum were predicting 100k sales. I guess they will stick to touring, for it fell to #47 with 9,000 sold this week. It seems like Revelation was just a fluke and now we have Eclipse, a flop. They are touring other countries so will pick up a few sales till US tour, but most small countries pale in comparison to magnitude of North America sales.

Dep Leppard has a new release titled Mirror Ball and right now it is #77 on itunes. Looks like the Walmart exclusives are different now b/c DL and Journey were exclusives, but both at itunes now, instead of two years later like Revelation. Guess it all depends on the contract.

I really like Foreigner, Lou Gramm and Kelly Hansen.

Posted by S L Ballard on Friday, 06.10.11 @ 23:51pm


"Hope the class and all went well"

Results next week

"They are touring other countries so will pick up a few sales till US tour"

Are they doing Download again this year? Not that I'm going to that or any other festival, I'm just curious.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 06.14.11 @ 10:44am


Hey Sam,

How've you been? Hope the results were good!

Look what's coming!

I guess since Eclipse was such a colossal flop, and Greatest Hits I have been certified over 16 million copies sold, time for something new (or redone, maybe.)

Journey’s Greatest Hits Volume 2 is now available for pre-order at Amazon.com, it will be released on November 1, 2011. See tracklist


1. Stone In Love
2. After The Fall
3. Chain Reaction
4. The Party s Over (Hopelessly In Love)
5. Escape
6. Still They Ride
7. Good Morning Girl
8. Stay Awhile
9. Suzanne
10. Feeling That Way
11. Anytime
12. Walks Like A Lady
13. Little Girl
14. Just The Same Way
15. Patiently
16. When I Think Of You
17. Mother, Father (Live In Houston 1981)

Posted by S L Ballard on Friday, 08.26.11 @ 20:37pm


Even if you don't like the music of Steve Perry or Journey you have to admit that his voice is a miracle. Could have been classified as a tenor altino had he chosen to go the route of being in opera. He was a great songwriter and entertainer and no one can touch his "live" voice, and I don't even want to hear it from you Freddie Mercury fans. Freddie almost always sang a step down and rarely did his money shot notes. Steve Perry worked hard during his time with Journey and toured incesantly and deserves the recognition.

Posted by Melissa on Tuesday, 10.18.11 @ 14:02pm


I stand corrected. If being dependant on his solo career, I would say no. Only being inducted with Journey would I say he deserves.

Posted by melissa on Tuesday, 10.18.11 @ 14:23pm


"no one can touch his "live" voice"

Even with these guys though in Mercury and Lambert land, that seems to be the consensus thus far....

digitaldreamdoor.com/forum

100 Greatest Live Rock Vocalists
UPDATED: 6/23/10

This list is based on the following criteria:

- Ability to stay on-pitch.
- The difficulty of the material that is attempted.
- How long their careers have/had produced impressive Live material.
- Ability to improvise.
- According to all of the Vocal criteria, how big the disparity is between Studio Recordings and Live performances.
- Reputation / acclaim as a Live vocalist.


1. Steve Perry
2. John Farnham
3. Jackie Wilson
4. Ronnie James Dio
5. Roger Daltrey
6. Aretha Franklin
7. Ian Gillan
8. Elvis Presley
9. Freddie Mercury
10. Jeff Buckley
11. Etta James
12. Tim Buckley
13. Adam Lambert
14. Stevie Wonder
15. Rob Halford
16. Ann Wilson
17. Robert Plant
18. Eddie Vedder
19. Bruce Dickinson
20. Chris Cornell

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Posted by unsuttSaum on Monday, 01.16.12 @ 13:14pm


Perry haters are SOOOOO annoying and SOOOO clueless.

Posted by Terry C - NJ on Monday, 02.6.12 @ 20:40pm


Defined 70's /80's Rock, yes, Journey....
I don' think he had enough Solo hits to be nominated as a solo.

Posted by indepmo on Friday, 04.13.12 @ 05:24am


THERE IS ONLY ONE STEVE PERRY! THE BAND CAN TRY AND GET ALL THE GUYS THAT SOUND LIKE STEVE OR LOOK LIKE HIM, BUT IT WILL NOT HAPPEN! THEY DO THIS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT STEVE IS THE "voice", and that is what made journey!!! he should be in the hall of fame, because journey is (steve perry).....

Posted by PATRICIA on Wednesday, 07.25.12 @ 12:17pm


Roy said "Peter Cetera is better than Steve Perry and Dennis DeYoung" Roy you are wrong, SSteve has a great voicebetter then then Peter Cetera, Cetera is good but he is not Steve Perry.
Gitarzan You and your Steve Perry put downers have no idea why he should be put into the put into the rock and roll hall of fame
1In 2005, Perry produced "The Secret of Moving On", a track on a solo album for former Ambrosia lead vocalist David Pack. Perry also provided background vocals for "A Brand New Start," among the many songs he and Pack co-wrote shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks. The album, released in September 2005, includes covers of two of Pack's biggest hits with Ambrosia, "Biggest Part of Me" and "You're the Only Woman."

2. Street Talk went 2x Platinum and For the love of Stange Medicine went gold

3. Steve also did a song called "Don't Fight it with Kenny Loggins and a song for a children's move"Quest For Camalot.

Journey sucks now, they don't play any of their music on the radio. Steve is the voice and always will be

Posted by Janet on Monday, 11.12.12 @ 01:52am


Steve Perry is Journey and without him they are no longer Journey. Nothing against Arnel. I think he's probably a nice guy. Anyways, Steve Perry's voice is second to none and his songs he either wrote or co-wrote are the best songs ever written. He deserves the Hall of Fame induction for that very reason and also because he was just a genious when it came to singing. Hitting high notes and low notes and wailing like no one else. He will be inducted and we will see new music from this marvelous artist. Thanks!

Posted by Debbie on Tuesday, 11.27.12 @ 01:57am


I love Steve Perry. He's known as "The voice" for a reason. This man can sing any song and make it feel like he's singing just to you. He has been gone from singing for some time now but still has legions of fans all over the internet loving him and wishing him well and wanting him to come back and sing again. I think Steve deserves this honor because he's a real man. He doesn't mind stopping for a picture and he is a real nice guy.

Posted by Maria Day on Tuesday, 06.18.13 @ 18:47pm


The fact that Journey/Steve Perry are not in the Rock n Roll Hall of fame is shocking - things like this have destroyed the credibility of the Hall - Journey not only one of the most successful bands of all time - also one of the best live bands of all time - no computers were needed with there amazing talent.

Posted by George Turner on Friday, 01.17.14 @ 17:11pm


Steve Perry should have been in the Rock and Roll Hall of fame a long time ago, there's no reason for him to not be inducted. I hope he gets in this year, if he doesn't all Steve Perry fans must unite to get a petition started

Posted by Anitamaria Jones on Tuesday, 01.21.14 @ 00:04am


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