Def Leppard

Not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

Eligible since: 2004 (The 2005 Induction Ceremony)

Previously Considered? Yes  what's this?


Inducted into Rock Hall Projected in 2011 (ranked #207) .


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Pyromania (1983)
Hysteria (1987)

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Photograph (1983)
Rock Of Ages (1983)
Pour Some Sugar On Me (1987)

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Will Def Leppard be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
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WHat can we, as fans, do to get this band in the hall of fame? It is the least we can do to thank them for the many years of music they have given us. If any band has influenced the music industry, Def Leppard, with all of their trials and tribulations, are still rocking as hard as ever.

Posted by Dawn on Monday, 10.9.06 @ 22:43pm


Hey Future Rock Hall. I'm happy to see that Def Leppard is elegible to be inducted. That means it probably won't be too long until they get in. I'm sure they will be inducted. They released one of the five top-selling records of all time. As wikipedia puts it: "Hysteria is one of only a handful of albums (and the third in rock history) that has charted seven singles or more on the US Hot 100." "Def Leppard is one of only five rock bands with two original albums selling over 10 million copies each in the U.S. The others are The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and Van Halen." -www.wikipedia.org
Def Leppard is also largely responsible for introducing the genre of "Pop Metal" to the world, although they're more accurately associated with the New Wave of British Heavy Metal. How's that for influential? Perhaps they were merely the most successful of the Pop Metal bands with their achievements listed above. Those achievements are said to have happened in the bands heyday, but I believe they have accomplished much more since then. Adrenalize was released in 1992, Retro-Active in '93, and Euphoria in 1999. All three of those are albums with which the band stayed true to their unique sound. They did this in the face of a changing trend in music. As I believe Joe Elliott put it, "It was the whole grunge era, and a big 'Def Leppard sucks' time." (Paraphrased- These comments were on a DVD I have at home.) I think they deserve props for continuing on with their sound even if most of the mainstream music fans were migrating to bands with different styles. They all seem to be very down to Earth and humble, as well. I don't think they would have any disdain toward being inducted like the Sex Pistols, but everyone's entitled to their opinion. They would be honored. Perhaps, as proof of their humility, their most recent new album, 'Yeah,' they put their own style into songs by other artists who came before them. These are artists they feel have influenced them in some way. It could be said that Def Leppard is arrogant in assuming they could do these songs justice by covering them, but I think it's emulation out of admiration. Throughout their history, they have been a transcendant rock band, and, more importantly six(five still with us, one not) tremendous human beings. They are an inspiration. Thank you.

Posted by Nathan Caldwell on Friday, 10.27.06 @ 07:39am


I like the solo albums the drummer's arm put out after it left.

Posted by Kit on Friday, 10.27.06 @ 10:40am


def leppard should be nominated ASAP!!!! seriousl what do we hafta do start a petition...cuz ill gladly start it!

Posted by Ashley on Saturday, 11.4.06 @ 10:28am


Rock of ages ring a bell?? What do you want? I WANT ROCK AND ROLL!!! They shouldve been on the first ballot!! The Hall is turning into a joke

Posted by Marc on Saturday, 12.30.06 @ 05:46am


I used to be a big Def Leppard fan. I made a Def Leppard pin in metal shop. Pyromania was my favorite album the year it came out. I even got the tee-shirt. I now know them for what they are... the gate through which the great corporate spandex butt rock hair band conspiracy was led through.

Yeah, they were a better than average band. But I can't stand what they represent. They managed to make rock boring. Def Leppard was the tip of the iceberg. Underneath lay the bland bands like Poison, Winger, Cinderella, Stryper, Whitesnake, Ratt, and scores of lesser bands who made music in the late 80's bland and mechanical. Metal Ballads were the bane of rock and roll in the 80's.

It took Grunge to rescue rock and roll from itself. Spandex bands forgot how to rock.

I wonder if I still have that Def Leppard pin somewhere?

Posted by lightninli on Sunday, 01.7.07 @ 01:33am


Hey lightninli - Thank you for your uninformed comment. Grunge music! Yeah, I love hearing about Mommy and Daddy not loving me - please! Your taste may not be 80's hard rock, but do not take away the credit that is due Def Leppard. And never put them in the same category as Warrant and Stryper. Def Leppard deserve the honor - end of converstaion!

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 01.10.07 @ 03:32am


Hard rock? Hard like clay. They made metal safe for Soccer Moms everywhere. You can hear "Pour Some Sugar On Me" on "Pop Hits of the 80's" stations everywhere. Def Leppard scares very few parents out there.

Photograph proved that you could make a ton of money selling a metal tune you could slow dance to. And thus begat tunes like "Every Rose Has it's Thorns" (Thank you Poison) and "Is This Love" (Thank you Whitesnake)"The Final Countdown" (Thank you Europe)and ". Not all Def Leppards fault, no... but it was the start of a very bad trend.

You want some 80's hard rock bands in the HOF? Metallica, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Guns and Roses, and Slayer all deserve entry into the HOF before Def Leppard. Deep Purple deserves entry before they do. Bad Company deserves entry before they do.

Don't get me wrong... I think they'll get in. The suits in Cleveland tend to reward bands that had big hits, and Def Leppard ushered in a veritable vault of cash for record producers wrapped in a nice spandex package. There's only a finite amount of HOF slots, and there are more deserving truly hard rock bands out there.

I fear not the scorn of the spandex fans.

Posted by lightninli on Friday, 01.12.07 @ 14:06pm


Lightninli, while I agree with most of what you said, I disagree with the idea that grunge saved rock. I love '80s grunge as much as anyone can, but '90s grunge (everything post-Nirvana) quickly turned into boring alternative pop and post-grunge was as bad or worse than hair metal.

Posted by William on Friday, 01.12.07 @ 20:17pm


sign the def leppard 4 rock hall petition. remember theres oly 3 months till i send it in

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/def-leppard-4-rock-hall.html

Posted by Martin on Sunday, 01.14.07 @ 02:37am


Def Leppard sure are legends and deserve to be in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

Posted by DL on Thursday, 01.18.07 @ 15:31pm


You put in the dells and traffic ahead of def leppard .Just shows you how watered down the selection process is.Growing up in the 80's the mtv decade.I remember when photograph came on for the first time it change times.i didn't grow up in the 60's so i don't know about the hysteria of the beatles.But when def leppard hit the scene i bet it was the closest experience we witness.They are IMMORTAL.

Posted by james damico on Thursday, 01.18.07 @ 22:05pm


Awful glam-metal like Def Leppard should not be in the same town as the Hall of Fame. They should be made to stop at Akron and take the long way around. Just a terrible terrible band.

Posted by Kit on Thursday, 01.18.07 @ 22:54pm


Def Leppard wrote fantastic hard rock music. Talented performers, flawless production, and hit after hit after hit. High 'N' Dry was an amazing album, but they (and Mutt Lange) took it to another level with Pyromania, the album that every other hair band in the 80's tried to copy. After Rick Allen lost his arm, their comeback LP Hysteria was nothing short of a masterpiece, truly "Star Wars for the ears."

For a band that survived Rick's accident and Steve Clark's death (see VH1's Behind The Music) and given us an amazing catalog of timeless rock music, Def Leppard deserve to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

With Van Halen going in this year, KISS should come before Def Leppard, though.

Posted by Ken on Tuesday, 01.23.07 @ 13:32pm


Finally, I agree with Kit!! Total corporate rock with no influence except on "How to be played on the radion non stop with watered down meaningless music." Not worthy in my mind

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 02.10.07 @ 18:10pm


I totally agree with the comment above. Bands like Def Leppard, Ratt, etc. - - was probably the worst era of rock music during the 80's. My friends and I used to refer to those bands as "cheese" metal with all the makeup and talentless crap that they produced. When Pearl Jam, etc. came to be, what a relief! Bottom line, I think it was corporate rock with no substance at all.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 02.10.07 @ 18:14pm


i'm nolt a real big fan of their's but they had a big impact of rock music of the eighties. you can't talk about music in that decade without mentioning them.

Posted by reid on Monday, 03.19.07 @ 19:18pm


The rock & roll HOF is the biggest joke on the planet. They let in way too many one hit wonders. Legitimate bands that deserve getting in have to fight to get in. Sometimes they don't even get in. (Sabbath,Maiden,Priest,Purple). The HOF doesn't deserve the attention it gets.

Posted by RicSark on Tuesday, 03.27.07 @ 07:34am


Yo Ric!!! Black Sabbath was put in the Hall last year.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Tuesday, 03.27.07 @ 09:58am


The number of hits a band has don't always have much to do with their influence, and never has anything to do with their innovation.

Def Leppard have little of the first and none of the second.

I agree that the HoF is crappy, but for other reasons.

Posted by William on Tuesday, 03.27.07 @ 10:23am


Def Leppard deserves to be on TOP!! They are a band that has stuck together through hard times and still came out ahead!! These guys have fans everywhere!! THEY DESERVE TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK!!

Posted by Cindy on Saturday, 03.31.07 @ 19:50pm


Def Leppard should be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, they have been an art insparation for me, no to mention everthing that has happened to the band, from Rick Allen loosing an arm to Steve Clark loosing his life, and they haven't quit. For that alone they deserve it.

Posted by Donna on Sunday, 04.1.07 @ 12:51pm


They should have been first ballot hall of famers. Hard rock bands usually have to wait awhile though while lesser bands get in. I know that there is a back log of fine artists waiting to get in. That does keep some bands out for awhile. But they only seem to use these bands that have been waiting to get in for years, as an excuse to make hard rock bands wait. Seriously. If the Police or R.E.M. are eligible you won't hear about rockers from the early days that are still waiting to get in. But if a hard rock group comes up for induction they wan't to make them wait so some guy that your grandpa used to listen to can get in. That's the truth. I could see if someone is better than you. I could even see if someone isn't as good as you getting in before you, if they have had an extended wait to get in. But why don't they use these golden oldies to keep the critics darlings from getting in? By the way I'm tired of hearing about influential. There's a difference between being influential and good. Influential music is critics garbage. The reason why the hall uses it as a factor, is so sucky bands that the critics love and the public doesn't can get in. Sorry for the ran't. This band has been eligible for at least three years and hasn't gotten in. What a joke. The were the biggest band of their time. Yes they are one of the greatest bands of alltime. So why the wait so sucky alterative rockers can get in?

Posted by Mike Cox on Wednesday, 04.4.07 @ 20:54pm


Mike, Def Leppard is:

1) Cheesy - Would you really wear their t-shirts to a respectable university or social gathering?

2) Uncreative - What did they do that a million other hair bands weren't doing already?

3) Those "sucky alternative" acts you refer to actually influenced future hordes of qualified and challenging musicians. Def Leppard simply allowed for more cheese, which takes us back to point number one. It's a loop you can keep reading over, if you like.

Now would any knowledgeable person that listens to a lot of music (underground stuff, hip hop, whatever) say that Def Leppard is more important than...

Patti Smith? Nope, Smith was a poet. Leppard's lyrics read like drunken frat boy anthems.

R.E.M.? Definitely not. That would be saying that Leppard's one of the ten most influential acts of all time.

Grandmaster Flash? Hah. No, Def Leppard certainly doesn't bring the word "pioneer" to mind.

The Ronettes? Certainly Not. Was Leppard the ultimate hard rock act the way that the Ronettes were arguably the ultimate girl group?

Van Halen? Well, that's who they tried to emulate like a thousand other knockoffs that filled the mainstream airwaves in the 80's.

Hope this helps! With any luck, you and many other posters here will stop living in their childhood and delve deeper into other artists. You'll be more informed, earn a more discerning palate, and enjoy much, much better albums! :)

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 04.4.07 @ 21:10pm


"It took Grunge to rescue rock and roll from itself. Spandex bands forgot how to rock."

You've got it completely backwards. Hair abds represented everything rock is about. It's the shitty Seattle bands who turned rock into crap and launched the era of musical darkness which we still live in today

Posted by Creepozoid on Tuesday, 04.10.07 @ 03:12am


All you hair metal haters need to STFU. D-Lep is easily one of the five best bands of all time. They were the bridge between arena rock and hair metal (the two best musical styles ever) and knew how to rock like no one else.

Kit, you aren't worthy of sucking Rick Allen's nuts. He's an amazing drummer who should probably have a wing of the Rock Hall named after him

Posted by Creepozoid on Tuesday, 04.10.07 @ 03:25am


I have read all of these posts and I have to reiterate that I think that these 80's commercial so called "metal" bands was music manufactured for the masses and just was not that good.

Sure Def Leppard was easy on the ears, but it was not very creative, different or influential. I lump them with Posion, Winger, Ratt, etc. There were so many I cannot recall. Yes, it is true that when bands like Pearl Jam came out it was a relief. That being said, that genre became a bit jaded as well. And, as one person said, a bit dark and pessimistic.

In any case, I do think that Def Leppard was hugely successful commerically, but other than that I really do not see them as a big influence or innovator in Rock music. To me, they epitomized the phrase "Corporate Rock."

I have posted to Rush and cited sales as a factor for them, but have always said that it has to be taken within context for an assessment of that particular band. In the case of Rush, I cite sales (i.e. fifth most consecutive gold albums) because it is highly relevant when it comes to a semi-obscure band like Rush - you tell people that fact, and they are somehwat surprised.

Conversely, if you tell people that Def Leppard was a huge seller they are not surprised at all because the music was in fact created for the masses. Thus, the fact that they sold a gazillion records makes sense since that is what they were built for.

Hope this clarifies my points with regards to how sales in some instances can matter greatly while in others has no relevance, as with Def Leppard.

Posted by ANON on Wednesday, 04.11.07 @ 15:17pm


OK, why the hell is everyone lumping D-Lep with the rest of the hair bands (who knew how to rock unlike those gay grunge bands) when they are the ones who birthed hair metal to begin with. It's easy for you to say that they "weren't innovative" when you don't even give them credit for the fact that all the hair bands were basically trying to copy them in some way or another.

Posted by Creepozoid on Sunday, 04.15.07 @ 10:35am


Hair metal was influenced by glam and '70s hard rock, the latter of which featured a lot more artists than Def Leppard (who didn't come along until '77 anyway).

So there goes that bright idea.

Posted by William on Sunday, 04.15.07 @ 15:18pm


"So there goes that bright idea."

Up yours. Yeah, hair metal was "influenced" Which is a pretty vague term) by 70s rock and glam, but Def Leppard was the band they were all trying to emulate.

Posted by Creepozoid on Thursday, 04.19.07 @ 09:51am


Oh my God....
I am laughing so hard at Kit's comments that tears are forming.Great stuff!
The drummer's arm's solo album...
Don't allow them into Akron...
just aterrible, terrible band.
Holy sh*t that is funny, Kit! Please come back.

Posted by shawn on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 15:00pm


What, is the Rock Hall broken? Batteries run out? Someone shake it. There must be a bug or defect... Surely some rational explanation as to why Def Leppard is not in this institution.

Try kicking it.

Harder.

Posted by Moni3 on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 20:22pm


"Kit! Please come back."

Why don't the two of you get a room :-)

Posted by Creepozoid on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 12:33pm


Yeah, making fun of someone losing an arm is really quite funny (note sarcasm)....

Posted by Anon on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 12:34pm


I'd find it quite funny if someone would make a joke about Anon/Secret Boy losing his head.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 13:13pm


Def leppard is the best band ever hands down end of discussion. Its better to burn out than fade away and they have done neither.

Posted by Pyromaniac502 on Tuesday, 05.15.07 @ 07:14am


I too used to be a big DL fan. Now I think their music sounds really, really dated. That said, lumping them into a group with Poison and Motley Crue is like lumping Pearl Jam into a group with Candlebox and Fuel. Unfortunately for Def Leppard, being better than Poison isn't enough to make a case for the Hall. Good band, very popular for a while, falls a little short.

Posted by A-Killa on Monday, 05.21.07 @ 10:06am


Earlier, someone posted a comment about "awful glam metal bands like Def Leppard". Proving on two counts that they know nothing about the band in question as Def Leppard is neither glam, nor metal. Two of Def Leppard's albums are consistently ranked on the larger versions of "best/greatest albums since X" lists. They are the only band out of the hair metal era that gets such consideration. If you were truly going to object to Def Leppard stylistically for some reason, there would be a lot of artists in the hall right now who in my estimation, wouldn't belong. The first class inducted included ten bands/artists, and of them only four were what would be considered straight rock.

I'm not saying Def Leppard is by any stretch the biggest snub ever, but at some point, they have to go in. They survived a dead guitarist and their drummer has one arm. ONE ARM. In arena rock, he's a God.

Posted by Strangef8 on Friday, 07.13.07 @ 19:58pm


Obviously, the people who are Leppard haters, are probably focusing on the Hysteria and Adrenalize era.. they were commercial then, albeit I still think Hysteria is brilliant mix of pop and hard rock.. Adrenalize sucked a**

I have come to the conclusion the haters stopped listening to DL after Adrenalize, thus they never heard "Slang" an extremely creative album or "Retroactive", full of rockers that could have been on Pyromania; or "Yeah!" a fun rocking disc as well

lastly, no matter what you think of their newer material, how can you discount their first 3 albums as being kickass hard rock records with their signature sound that were very influential

Posted by Ken on Tuesday, 07.24.07 @ 21:37pm


I also don't understand how some people don't think of DL as being creative

they practically invented the wall of sound hard rock, big choruses, mix of pop and hard rock...

regardless of whether you like that style, doesn't mean it wasn't being creative or original

Posted by Ken on Tuesday, 07.24.07 @ 21:42pm


One more for Casper the friendly ghost or other music snobs... I am so sick of hearing music snobs telling me what is original, authentic, pioneering... whatever the term..

I am not embarassed to liking DL as much as I like Dylan, Neil Young, Type O Negative, In Flames, Killswitch Engage, Roberta Flack, Iron Maiden, Jeff Buckley and all my other favorites... to like DL you don't have to be a brain dead, mullethead like you're closed mind might think we are

Posted by Ken on Tuesday, 07.24.07 @ 21:47pm


It's not us being snobbish, we just listen to a ton of stuff, and therefore are very OPEN minded for branching out. You can't argue against what we like because you've never listened to most of it. We, however, are certainly more informed because people like Kit and myself down albums by the bucket load and we can tell you that Def Leppard is exactly the 14,448th greatest band of all time. Sorry, but the hall isn't big enough to include them or their hair.

And I certainly don't think those into Def Leppard would all fit in with the Run Ronnie Run cast. This is a site with opinions and we gave ours about the bands, not the fans. Now, it will occasionally get personal when you start spewing uninformed comments about us or groups you've never bothered listening to or recognized the obvious importance of...that's when we start complaining about fans of a particular act, when they suddenly start flooding this place with a barrage of posts that reek of manure and don't lead to solid debates.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 07.25.07 @ 22:57pm


Congrats,

you've listened to a lot more bands than I have; I'm sure you know a lot more about the best Emo band from Albania currently, that's wonderful...
you should have a doctorate of musicology, I'm sorry I should have realized who I am texting to, please forgive..

now I may be an amateur next to you, I only own about 500 CD's, including a lot of music which you probably consider brilliant but apparently I have to give you a music history lesson.. cause when High N Dry and Pyromania came out it basically started the pop metal genre, see... every pop metal band for the next 10 yrs or so rewrote Pyromania or High N Dry and when Hysteria came out, everyone tried to write songs in the vein of that album

now why should Def Leppard be penalized cause hundreds of imitators brought the cheese, the hair and the overall saturation of the sound.. it is well documented how much of an influence Def Leppard was on not only those bands but even modern bands today (Jerry Cantrell is a huge early Lep fan, Dave Mustaine is a big fan, System of a Down are Lep fans, to John Mayer, to Creed, to All-American Rejects, to Fuel, to Faith Hill, to Mariah Carey, to My Chemical Romance etc..)

why do the catalogs of critic's favorite artists like a Patti Smith or Joy Division for example sell a tiny fraction of what Def Leppard catalog sells today? who is influencing who, in sheer #'s??

Posted by Ken on Friday, 07.27.07 @ 22:50pm


<rant> If you want deep lyrics, read a fucking poem. 80's metal was all about the sound and much less about the lyrics. Most 80's bands will admit that much. Any Che Guevara t-shirt wearing art school nutsack can write drivel about how his mommy and daddy didn't love him/her and how they want to repaint the walls with their brains. Hell, since for most grunge bands the melody of the song seems to be a very brief afterthought (to let the listener know it's more than just simple bitching and whining,) most of them could bang out three or four albums worth of that crap in one night. I doubt one of those pseudo intellectual grunge assholes would have the patience (4 years in the studio), much less the skill, to make an album with the complex melodic sound of pyromania or hysteria even if they wanted to.</rant>

Posted by Justin on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 14:14pm


So you're basically whining because we're judging your band by standards that aren't low enough for it?

Posted by William on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 14:44pm


RIGHT ON JUSTIN -I could'nt have said it any better-down with these artsy-fartsy chablis drinking abstract art loving lonely wimpy whiny creeps who are really just jealous of metal bands and hid behind thier psuedo-intellectualism and their many shortcomings to put down hard-working blue collar rock and roll-they are nothing but pathetic lonely arrogant upper class snobs-they are everything that rock and roll stands up against!!

Posted by Tecumseh91 on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 17:46pm


Def Leppard is pansy metal. Is that "intellectual" enough for you?

Posted by William on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 19:40pm


Let's get this right once and for all. DL wrote songs; not noise. They recorded music, not whiny poems. I am sorry that Warrant and Europe and the rest of those useless bands tried to rip them off. But Def Lep should not be punished for those other bands failures. If the most over-rated, over-hyped, no talent Patti Smith can get inducted, then surely the band that opened up the radio airwaves to guitar rock surely belongs in it. Def Lep and Van Halen slapped that New Wave crap right off the radio stations. Thank G*d for that.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 10.26.07 @ 06:42am


Despite my urgency to argue wih almost every point you made there, why did you put an asterix in God?

Posted by liam on Friday, 10.26.07 @ 06:52am


Dedicated to Kit and Casper - You both have the combined knowledge of music as my pinky. I had the pleasure of being raised in the 60's and my first record was "I Want to Hold Your Hand". I own over 100,000 pieces of music and "music" was one of my minors in college. But I still don't know everything and never will. Casper - your posting on 4/4/07 clearly shows your complete lack of knowledge. I will say this one more time; having seen P. Smith on stage at CBGB's more times than I care to remember; she was about as innovative as *****. She was a nothing and needed Bruce to finally get some name recognition. So please stop with her. D.L. never was and never will be a "metal band", they were a great Rock and Roll guitar band who knew how to construct a song. They never claimed that they were metal. And they certainly were not one of the LA Hair Bands. They are one of only a handful of bands that released consecutive "Diamond" albums. Why don't your google that and see what recording artists show up on the list. Yeah, they lost something when Steve Clark died, but Pyromania alone should put them into the HoF. And let's all remember, D.L. was one of the first bands that the PMRC went after. Just for the fact that they pissed Tipper Gore off is reason enough to put them in. The only thing Grunge brought back were hairy under-armed chicks. Don't get me wrong, I loved the music, especially Alice and Soundgarden, but the scene lasted a whole 5 years. The Seattle bands deserve their musical credit, but if anything, Grunge killed Rock; look what followed (Creed, Nickelback, Korn, etc.). It certainly did not save it! The last 10 years in rock have been the least inspiring period in Rock and Roll since Fabian and Paul Anka. Def Lep deserves the honor. Whether you like it or not, Pyromania did create a formula that other bands followed. Now whether you liked that formula or not, the fact is that it must have been innovative for other bands to want to copy it. Hate D.L. if you like, but give them their props!

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 11.5.07 @ 13:18pm


Dameon says:

1)"I had the pleasure of being raised in the 60's and my first record was "I Want to Hold Your Hand". I own over 100,000 pieces of music and "music" was one of my minors in college."

2)"I will say this one more time; having seen P. Smith on stage at CBGB's more times than I care to remember; she was about as innovative as *****."

3)"The only thing Grunge brought back were hairy under-armed chicks."

Wow, moron, you just managed to rant for about 1000 words and made almost no case for this band you champion. Nice job. Tell me again how going to CBGB's is relevant to Def Lep?

Here's what you did manage to fart out:

1)"They are one of only a handful of bands that released consecutive "Diamond" albums. Why don't your google that.."

I will, if you promise to use Dictionary.com and look up: RELEVANT. We just need a sign that says: SALES ALONE ARE NOT A GOLDEN TICKET. Money earned alone does not annoit a band Hall worthy. It's a known fact.

2)"..but Pyromania alone should put them into the HoF."

You of course are speaking of the cardboard, glitter and colored macaroni HoF you have built beside your 100,000 recordings, right?

3)"Just for the fact that they pissed Tipper Gore off is reason enough to put them in."

Right. Because Twisted Sister and Two Live Crew also pissed her off, so naturally......


"Whether you like it or not, Pyromania did create a formula that other bands followed."

Did I say it just the other day? This is where you suffer the backlash from the chant "Influence is KING!" Do we congratulate and reward the farmers of the crap crops too?
(BTW, the correct answer here is.... NO. We have the audacity and courage to call out shit when we see it. Get bent, Def Lepard fans)

Posted by shawn on Monday, 11.5.07 @ 13:44pm


The whole post reeks of BS. Tip #1 when claiming to have extensive musical knowledge is to not to state facts that are demonstrably wrong, such as "grunge lasted five years." Even if you don't count Malfunkshun (and I do), who formed at about 1980, and only start with Green River's '84 release, and then assume that it DIDN'T carry on after Cobain's death in '94 (which it did, as two notable first-wave grunge bands, The Melvins and Mudhoney, are still playing to this day) you're still half a decade off. Congratulations.

Don't even start with the BS "music isn't good anymore" doomsaying that's been going on constantly for about fifty years or more. All it does is expose you as the vapid radio parasite you pretend not to be.

Posted by William on Monday, 11.5.07 @ 19:42pm


To me it all comes down to two factors: commercial success vs. substance. In order to be inducted, you must have substance (which presumably leads to innvoation and influence). The first category is not necessarily a requirement for induction. That being said, like I have said before, the bands with both substance AND commercial success are the true giants of rock music (i.e. see U2, Police, Zeppelin, Rush (yes, I had to throw Rush in there :-), Smiths, Black Sabbath, Metallica, etc.

To me though while Def Leppard certainly had commercial success, I am not hearing the substance (i.e. "pour some sugar on me"). Again, it does not make DL a "bad" band, just not worthy of hall induction.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 11.6.07 @ 13:38pm


Disagree with you Anon.
Its not a matter of "do they (he/she) have both substance - as you choose to recognize what I call quality - AND commercial success?"

That test is also too limiting. IMO artist or band can be worthy of "significance" (the Hall's actual official canon) from many angles. Some of those can be commercial combined with quality/critical acclaim, some without, some for reasons that are less purely musical and more dryly historical.
Some bands merit recognition despite never acheiving great sales numbers, many, many who deserve it who never sold more than 500,000 copies of an album.

It's a maleable and inexact science, this recognition test, with "Significance" as its flag. But there should be no one, rigid criteria - no Bridge of the Questioner.

We can discuss specifics if you like.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 11.6.07 @ 14:26pm


Don't use the Smiths as an example of a band with commercial success

Posted by liam on Tuesday, 11.6.07 @ 15:44pm


Shawn, you disagree, that is real surprising. You are so verbose, what the fuck are you talkin' about...

As for the Smiths, when I said commercially successful, I meant in the UK (all of their albums were 1 or 2 over there)

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 11.6.07 @ 19:09pm


"Shawn, you disagree, that is real surprising. You are so verbose, what the fuck are you talkin' about..." -Anon (off his PMS meds)

Whoa there little buddy. You didn't understand what I was saying, or you think I am wrong?
Or are you just confused and mad beacuse?

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 11.6.07 @ 19:25pm


My response was a comment to Casper and Kit who stated how Patti Smith was deserving, but not bands such as D.L. And you are correct, I did go off subject a bit. But what I was attempting to say is that D.L. has certainly met, IMO, the criteria for a band to make the HoF. So do tell us Shawn, what criteria should we use when deciding who should and who should not get into the HoF? And Grunge, whether real or perceived did in fact die after 5 years and its death had nothing to do with that pathetic anti-hero Cobain. The music itself was just good Rock and Roll. The term Grunge, IMO had to do more with the fashion and sense of angst that may have been felt at the time by the listening audience. Personally, I never appreciated all these terms which were created to categorize Rock and Roll. So, I guess my question to all those who have wanted to deny D.L.; what do you all consider substantial?

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 11.6.07 @ 20:03pm


Mad, that is funny. No Shawn, when you say shit like: "no Bridge of the Questioner" - it makes me wonder. But, in reading your post, it really does not seem that you are in fact disagreeing. Do you think you cannot assess a band based upon commerical success and substance?

i.e. "Some bands merit recognition despite never acheiving great sales numbers.

Yeah, that would be the band with low commercial success and high on substance - such as VU.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 11.6.07 @ 21:11pm


"And Grunge, whether real or perceived did in fact die after 5 years"-Dameon

No, it didn't. You are wrong for all of the reasons I have already stated.

Posted by William on Tuesday, 11.6.07 @ 22:19pm


Of course grunge did not "die", but if I am deciphering correctly, I think what he meant by "died" was that for a number of years grunge was mainstream and was all over the radio during much of the 90's as the music that was "it." It no longer occupies that status, for whatever that is worth.

From WIKI:

"Grunge became commercially successful in the first half of the 1990s, due mainly to the release of Nirvana's Nevermind and Pearl Jam's Ten. The success of these bands boosted the popularity of alternative rock and made grunge the most popular form of hard rock music at the time...Although most grunge bands had disbanded or faded from view by the late 1990s, their influence continues to impact modern rock music."


But, you are right Bill, just because a music style is not commerically popular does not mean it "died." For instance, the peak of progressive rock was in teh 70's. It is not as "big" now, but for those that like progressive rock, it is still very much "alive." Like you said, if you only listen to mainstream FM radio, then what can you expect?

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 11.7.07 @ 05:51am


Thank you Anon, that is exactly what I was saying. People take things a bit too literal around here. "Grunge" is no longer the popular RnR of today and has not been for quite sometime. My apologies for such a broad term as "Died". Again, this has to do with the fact that I really do not like terms as Grunge, Hair Metal, etc. My point in defense of D.L. is that IMO, they were not sell-outs because they did really introduce a different perspective on their type of musical style. Whether you liked it or not does not come into the equation. One of the reasons that "harder" rock started getting played on the radio in the early 81 and 82 was because of some of D.L.'s songs. And whether we feel it should be counted or not, they also were one of the first "guitar" bands to get heavy play on MTV. They helped push bands like Human League, Dexie's Midnite Runner's and Flock of Seagulls to the side. So again, I ask this question; what should we consider "substantial" when discussing whether a band has what it takes to be inducted into this museum (RnRHoF)? Where do we draw the line in the sand? When the time comes, will a band like "Guided by Voices" deserve any such honors? My mind is open and I am just waiting for one of the D.L. bashers to explain it to me.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 11.7.07 @ 11:41am


"People take things a bit too literal around here." - Dameon

No, what some of us do is read what you wrote, then give you the respect of assuming you mean what you say, that you are capable of articulating your actual thoughts.
If you didn't mean for reals that grunge died after 5 years...... then put it another way and stop being a crybaby because we can't read your mind from our monitors.

If you'r e going to go down this road and start claiming that everybody misinterprets you - Anon and you are going to be best buddies.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 11.7.07 @ 13:22pm


What is with you Shawn? I made my apology and now be done with it. The issue is not Grunge or my writing style anyway. The issue is whether D.L. meets the criteria to make the Hall. I stated why I think they deserve the honor and I asked those who feel they do not belong the simple question of why? I have read here that they were sell-outs, part of the hair band scene, that they had no substance, etc. And none of these answers make any sense to me. All I ask is one of the Lep bashers elaborate a little more. I have never understood the hostility that some have towards this band.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 11.7.07 @ 15:32pm


Dameon - you are dead on whether Shawn agrees or not. These guys here are quite literal. I knew right away what you meant when you said grunge was dead - it was not rocket science. But, with them, they tend to be, as we say in my profession, "concrete."

That being said, overall they (i.e. Shawn, William, Dez, etc.) often make very valid points with regards to music and are pretty knowledgeable, despite the fact that they are often opinionated and arrogant about it. But, hey thats the fun of it...I wouldn't take it that serious though. Hey, you think Leppard should be in - thats fine, and you should keep defending your position. But, there I would tend to agree with them - I think they fall short of hall standards.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 11.7.07 @ 17:43pm


"I have read here that they were sell-outs, part of the hair band scene, that they had no substance, etc. And none of these answers make any sense to me." -Dameon

Well Dameon, let's try it this way: they suck.
Seriously, that's it. Don't know how to make it any clearer to you.
You still like their sound, so this will never make sense to you. I can't make a 10 year old really understand the concept of cheesy and juvnile when explaining Hanna Montana either until she grows up. The same limits me here with you.

Back in 1981 when I was 15 years old, I too thought that "Photograph" was bitchin - I too mouthed the words to "Rock of Ages" and thrust my head forward. But then I eventually matured into an adult and I can mow hear with these things on the sides of my head - right here, below my hairline - that "Pour Some Sugar on Me" and its cousins bite the weiner. Spandex silliness. Electronic drum kit weenie-music, man.
It's just bad music - you know it when you hear it. Not afraid to say it.

The fact that Def Lep took what they thought they saw/heard from Van Halen, T.Rex, Judas Priest, Queen, fucked it all up and gave unholy Alien egg birth to the repugnant hair teased spawn of the worst of 80's glam metal (AAGGHH!!! - W.A.S.P., Stryper, Quiet Riot, Ratt, Dokken, Autograph... I just ralphed on myself) yes - that is Def Lepard's legacy whne you shine the bluelight on their Influence resume - deal with it; this just adds to their rap sheet of crimes against music.

Maybe you will understand one day Dameon when you hack off that mullet and stop thrusting your fist to "Awwwww F-F-F-F-FOOOOOOLIN!!!!!!!"

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 11.7.07 @ 23:38pm


"Shawn, you disagree, that is real surprising. You are so verbose, what the fuck are you talkin' about..." -Anon

The Bridge of the Questioner was actually kind of an obscure reference to that bit in Monty Python & the Holy Grail where the knights reach the Gorge of Eternal Peril and the Bridgekeeper asks them three questions they must anser correctly in order to pass and not be tossed into the gorge. My bad for screwing up the name.

My point in that (by the way..) was that there is no ONE formula - not even one secret combination of criteria that all hall artists must satisfy to get in. There are many doors, and one will work for one artist while it is not relevant for another.
I thought at first that you were proposing such a definitive formula: substance+commercial success. But upon reading your post over, I see I misjudged what you were saying.

I guess we actually weren't disagreeing; though I'm not sure we are exactly on the same page either.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 11.7.07 @ 23:51pm


Thank you Shawn. You have clearly explained everything to me. You enjoyed Lep when you were a teenager and when you matured, you no longer liked them. What happened, did the chicks in their tight spandex mini-skirts and leather boots give you the brush off? Now that would make all the sense in the world to me! So now you hate them; therefore they do not belong. And now that you are a mature gentleman, you feel it is the right thing to come onto these websites and spew your arrogant b.s. at anyone who disagrees with you. Good for you. I am sorry that bands like Europe, Warrant and Stryper came onto the scene - they were f'n horrible. I would listen to Patti Smith before I listened to them. And because of these bands, good time rock and roll fell by the wayside and deservingly so. Enjoy the music and bands that you like Shawn. I am sure we probably share similiar opinions on some of these bands. But get off your high horse; it looks and reads "Stupid" when you are hidden behind a computer monitor. Anon - thanks for your thoughtful opinion. It is always good to agree to disagree. And to all Lep fans, keep screaming for their induction. Or maybe don't scream for it. This Hall of Fame is clearly turning into a Hall of Shame. By the way - Shawn - I am 49 y.o., successful in life and career and my hair is still half way down my back. I haven't sold out yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 05:29am


LMFAO! It's Better To Burn Out then Fade Away. Rock and Roll exists for the purpose of having fun and Def Leppard provided a hell of a lot of fun for millions of people. There is no reason why middle-aged should mean the end of fun. I guess you have not grown up yet Dameon. Good for you.

Posted by Jesseyeric on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 06:27am


"..and I asked those who feel they do not belong the simple question of why?"
"My mind is open and I am just waiting for one of the D.L. bashers to explain it to me" - Dameon

What happenned to this sentiment, Dameon? You got what you asked for; quit throwing your mullet-fit now.

"I am 49 y.o., successful in life and career and my hair is still half way down my back. I haven't sold out yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" - D

SOLD OUT: Ah, the vague war cry of those with real no idea what that means. Just for laughs, tell me how Def Leppard would, hypothetically, do that - "sell out", since you bellow that hey (and YOU MAN! WOOOOOO!!!) are to be congratulated for not commiting that sin.

"But get off your high horse; it looks and reads "Stupid" when you are hidden behind a computer monitor." - Mullet Man

Who's hiding? Did I miss a face to face at the local Starbucks with you that I am not aware of?
High horse? So you imply that I am pretentious or something because as my eras/taste evolved and came to walk upright I recognized that Def Lep was crap pie? How would you respond to a Quiet Riot or Warrant fan who accuses YOU of the same because you can hear the dookie factor in their product?
I've said this before: so tell me Dameon, if I refuse to eat a Shit Sandwich, does that make me a culinary snob?

"Anon - thanks for your thoughtful opinion." -D

Hey Dameon... check out this 'thoughtfulness" from your new pen pal Anon regarding your Def boys:
"Finally, I agree with Kit!! Total corporate rock with no influence except on "How to be played on the radion non stop with watered down meaningless music." Not worthy in my mind

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 02.10.07 @ 18:10pm"

Congrats on your dedication to being a 15 year old in a 49 year old's body. Business in front.... party in the back! Rock on - Unteen-Gleeten-Glouten-Globin!

Posted by shawn on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 08:33am


You still don't get it. Music is different for each individual. But trying to have an intelligent conversation with you is something that could never happen, so I will end this little give and take. It is not worth the effort. For those who like Lep, keep pushing for them to get in. For those who hate Lep, go to the blogs of the bands that you do enjoy and push for them to get in. Ultimately, it will not matter because the nominating committee could care less what we think.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 09:40am


"You still don't get it. Music is different for each individual." - Dameon

What a worthless bromide that statment is. That's all you have to say - "I like what I like, so be quiet."?
Again I ask you Dameon, what will you say to the W.A.S.P. or Autograph fan who tells you that you just don't get it? How about a Taylor Hicks fanboy? Let's get to some substance here, Joe Dirt.

I do get it - you think Def Leppard is radical,man, and I say they are ear fungus. The question is - do they belong in the Rock Hall? One vote from you for YES, one from me for NO.

Independant of either of our opinions is the truth - it does exist, even amid the clouds of subjectivity that this kind of debate is shrouded in. One of us is more on the mark than the other. The truth is there. So far all you've given me is vague shout outs of THEY Rock! and insults.
The person here who seems unable to contribute to an intelligent debate is the one with the mullet.

By the way, in case you haven't "got it" yet, this is not a Def Leppard fan site - I'm right where I should be arguing with you. If you want to see nothing but "I Heart Def Lep" posts, you should take refuge at a Def Leppard fansite.

Posted by shawn on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 11:01am


"Anon - thanks for your thoughtful opinion." -D

Hey Dameon... check out this 'thoughtfulness" from your new pen pal Anon regarding your Def boys:

"Finally, I agree with Kit!! Total corporate rock with no influence except on "How to be played on the radio non stop with watered down meaningless music." Not worthy in my mind...


Hey, Shawn, you "told on me"...you know for a guy in his 40's, you are pretty fuckin immature...Plus, I have been consistent all along...I said then and I still think they should not get in. But, that is my opinion only and Dameon is free to disagree. The difference between you and me is that you say DL should not be in as if it is a fact, but I say it as merely my opinion...we "come off" quite differently.

Posted by Anon on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 14:51pm


"But, that is my opinion only and Dameon is free to disagree. The difference between you and me is that you say DL should not be in as if it is a fact, but I say it as merely my opinion...we "come off" quite differently" - anonynony

(Groan) Oh brother - your whole softcore "it's just my opinion... if I may" act is insufferable, you boob. Yea, you're the model of TACT, Clarabell. You're so godamn trasparent anon - Dameon was the new kid on the playground who didn't know you well enough yet to kick your knucklehead ass, so you were being "nice" to him. And he was putting his buddy arm around you co-opt your illusion of support - I didn't tell on you - I just pointed out your hypocrasy.
Buzz off.

Posted by shawn on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 18:45pm


What hypocrisy??? - I said back then they should not be in and the same thing now - so what the fuck you talkin about?

Co-opt illusions of support? What? I don't know the guy, nor do I give a rats ass about him on any personal level. I was merely poiting out that I knew what he was talking about when he said grunge was "dead." Shawn, please get a new hobby or at least drop this one...

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 19:05pm


" Shawn, please get a new hobby or at least drop this one..." -anon

And there is catchphrase #3 from Anon's Greatest Mouth Manure. In a pinch, he's sure to pull it out! Also heard this week from Anon:
- "Wikipedia says:.."
- "Don't Be So Literal"
- "That's Just My Opinion"

And Anon, regarding not sucking Dameon's toes: Bullshit. (hint: "Hey,.."

Posted by shawn on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 19:15pm


And Anon, regarding not sucking Dameon's toes: Bullshit. (hint: "Hey,.."

I was talking about the band Def Leppard and being in the same class as some major acts - I was not aware of that fact until I researched it - that was the only point there ya weirdo...

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 19:22pm


Def Leppard belongs. You may not like them, but music is a choice and we all like and dislike different styles. I agree that after Hysteria, the music got a bit too lazy for me. I thought there attempt to blend into the grunge era with 'Slang' was not the best of moves, although I did like some of the songs. It just was not their style! However, High and Dry, Pyromania and Hysteria were all excellent albums that reached out to millions of people and influenced a genre, whether we like it or not. Even Def Leppard hates the fact that they may have spawned Warrant and some of the others. Here is a question, why do you people get so bloody nasty with each other. Kit and Anon, this is just a comments page on band selections to a museum that truly has no place in Rock and Roll to begin with. The Hall was created to put money in the pockets of "what's his face" from that rag "Rolling Stone". I am just sorry that the musicians that we love and grew up with accepted it as some sort of badge of honor.

Posted by Frankie on Saturday, 11.24.07 @ 08:17am


There are from Blade country. They define arena rock. Hall of Fames are an American thing and they conquered America back in the early eighties. they deserve to be there even if they probably don't give a crap as long as The Blades beat Wednesday this any season.

Posted by Alex The Charleston Blade on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 18:24pm


Who really cares how deep and meaningful some artists lyrics are? Is that an excuse to keep a really great band out, but induct an artist who writes serious lyrics but sucks. Yes Patty Smith sucks.

As far as trying to copy other artists they didn't. Actually it was the other way around. Yes later on they got to commercial. But they had a great body of work before that. You can't compare them to glam bands. Or even the bands today. Some just don't get how technical of a band they were. We'll just keep seeing artist like R.E.M. get in first ballot while artist like VH and Def Leppard wait.

Posted by mike on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 07:11am


I'd be hard pressed to listen to DL's first four albums and hear any T.Rex influence, well maybe a couple songs on Hysteria..lyric-wise

those albums are brilliant and Liam you are a tool! find another hobby

Posted by Joe on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 15:22pm


R.E.M. did more for rock's sound than VH/DL combined...geniuses create new sounds rather than string together forty chords in a solo. Anybody that argues against the importance of R.E.M. has never listened to Murmur.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 21:02pm


Briefly (since this isn't really the proper place for an extended discussion of REM) could you please explain just how REM and its songs of "Murmur" were "new sounds" created by "geniuses?"

Don't "Radio Free Europe", "Laughing", "Talk About The Passion", "Moral Kiosk", "Catapult", "Sitting Still", " 9. 9-9", "Shaking Through" , "We Walk", "West Of The Fields" all sound like Tom Petty & his Heartbreakers singing with a clothes pin on his nose??

Wouldn't "Perfect Circle" pass for any old 70's MOR easy listening tune?

Wouldn't the only song on the album that has a remotely new sound to it be "Pilgrimage" with its interesting percussion sounds?

Posted by interviewer on Monday, 12.17.07 @ 01:02am


Um, because there was no band that sounded as mysterious...like four woods spirits came out of the trees after a century of hiding away in somber. Show me someone before them with a sound so organic, a singer so mumbley and lyrics so vague, yet powerful. Do that, then I might balk. Most likely, you'll put on a track like "Harborcoat" and agree with me.

Def Leppard on the other hand, just another cookie cutter metal act from the top. Not that "Photograph" isn't a complete power-pop masterpiece. I don't see anything they did besides the expected meat-and-potatoes meal.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 12.17.07 @ 02:14am


"those albums are brilliant and Liam you are a tool"

Hey, I'm not the one sticking up for the crappy pop group. Twat.

Posted by liam on Monday, 12.17.07 @ 11:25am


Casper:

Wouldn't the most mysterious band ever be Klaatu??

But seriously, the answer to your question or the question to your answer of someone as organic as REM with cryptic yet meaningful lyrics would be............................


"Who is Love- Forever Changes?"

Posted by interviewer on Monday, 12.17.07 @ 23:24pm


Fine choice....but I still have no solid reasoning as to why an act like R.E.M. could be used in a paragraph bemoaning the hall's recent inductees list...if anything, only U2 stands on reasonable footing from the last few years. And Def Leppard anywhere the equal of those two? Nah. Maybe Mellencamp, Sledge or Dave Clark.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 12.18.07 @ 17:43pm


REM is already in the HoF. Why are they even in this discussion? What does one band's selection have to do with another's consideration? REM was a great, great band, there is no questioning that and they received their just accolades, but it is not like every song they did was a masterpiece. Everytime I hear "Losing my Religion", I lose my lunch. But I still love REM and that won't change. D.L. wrote and recorded some great straight up rock and roll. Photograph is one of the great songs of the 80's! Every band cannot be deep. We need some bands that make us smile and tap our foot. D.L. did that better than most bands in the 80's and I see nothing wrong with it. If you hate this genre, that is fine and when bands like Nelson, Europe and Warrant are up for consideration, go ahead and bash away. I will be standing right next to you bashing away as well. But D.L. deserves their due, although personally, I don't see them ever getting it from this disaster called the Hall of Fame.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 12.20.07 @ 10:29am


I was just looking at some of the comments for other bands like Nirvana and The Cure and I find it interesting that D.L. is brought up in conversations regarding these other bands. I am not quite sure why. I wonder if it is because D.L. is blamed for the likes of Warrant, Winger,and all those other late 80's bands which were horrible. Or perhaps D.L. disappointed many with their post Steve Clark albums and made what many would consider a poor attempt into the realm of Grunge with the Slang release. But I dare to say that any band which brings out such fan appreciation or such repulsion must have done something right.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 07:55am


is it possible to water down water? once again, a big fat NO for Def Leppard, who have brought nothing new to music. At all. Ever. Except for the one-armed drummer circus sideshow.

Posted by gary on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 14:30pm


I don't think it is possible for every band to bring something new to the table. No matter what you listen to that you think is new, I guarantee it has been done before in some form or another and this includes the Beatles. We all agree that after Steve Clark died the music lost its bite. And I would guess that HoF will probably agree with you and not induct them, but for a 4 year period, they were the biggest band in the world and that says something whether you like them or not. I enjoyed them; to me D.L. and V.H. brought fun back to music.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 15:27pm


"for a 4 year period, they were the biggest band in the world and that says something whether you like them or not." - Dameon

Not really. In an ideal world, the Hall would totally ignore sales, as most of the people buying aren't musicians, and therefore cannot be counted as "followers" ofthe band.

Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 15:37pm


DL had two albums in the Rolling Stone Top 200 ALL-TIME albums, and the people who voted aren't just fans..

Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 19:29pm


I cannot believe I will do this, but I will use the adapted version of the Keltner List which is listed on this site to see if D.L. meets the basic criteria (excuse any and all typos):

1. Was Def Leppard ever regarded as the best artist in rock music? Did anybody, while they were active, ever suggest that Def Leppard was the best artist in rock music?

Regarded as the best in all of rock? Perhaps not. Critical respect hasn’t always followed D.L. around, however on the few supposed lists that exist which were created by industry sources, D.L. has continually ranked in the top 25 of all-time Hard Rock bands. However, Senior Editor of Rolling Stone David Fricke is counted as one of their bigger fans.

2. Was D.L. ever the best artist in rock music in there genre?

Even though AC/DC's album 1980 album is considered a watershed mark for Hard Rock, The single "Bringing on the Heartbreak" from the High and Dry album is considered by many to have reopened the doors for that genre to be played again on the radio. At the time, radio was dominated by bands such as The Police, Blondie, The Cars, Talking Heads, etc. Starting in 1983, the Pyromania album was in the top 10 for months on end, peaking at number 2. The song Photograph is considered by many to have been a breakthrough song for not just the band, but for the genre as well. Only Michael Jackson's Thriller kept them from the #1 spot. Hysteria charted 7 different singles. At the time, they were only the third "Rock" band to ever do so. Def Leppard is only one of handful of rock bands who have ever succeeded in scoring two "diamond' albums in a row. According to VH 1's top 100 songs of the 80's, "Pour Some Sugar On Me" was number 2. I am not sure if this list was compiled by industry sources.

3. Was any member of D.L. ever considered the best at his instrument/role?

To this day, on most of those cheesy top 100 Guitarist lists, Phil Collen, Steve Clark and Vivian Campbell consistently rank in the top 100. None of them are being compared to Hendrix and the other guitar gods. Rick Allen plays drums with one arm - give the boy some credit.

4. Did Def Leppard have an impact on a number of other artists?

According to both Def Leppard supporters and detractors, D.L. is credited with the 80's Hard Rock/Hair Band sound. Basically, Hard Rock songs with serious hooks in them. They refuse to take the blame for the late 80's scene.

D.L. may have had an impact on the use of music video in promoting recording artists.

D.L. was one of the first Hard Rock bands to successfully use the new video medium called MTV. They were also one of the first Hard Rock bands to move away from just using concert footage as the basis of their videos.

5. Was D.L. good enough that they could play regularly after passing there prime?

Whereas most of their 80's counterparts are long gone as continous muscial entities, D.L. is still recording and touring successfully. Supposedly their new album is near completion.

6. Is D.L. the very best artist in history that is not in the Hall of Fame?

Best? Depends on your respect for pop/rock music and phenomenon-creating.

Biggest? No.

7. Are most artists who have a comparable recording history and impact in the Hall of Fame?

As of yet, the Hard Rock scene of the late 70's, early 80's has yet to make an impression into the Hall. Bands such as D.L., Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motley Crue have received little HoF support. Only Van Halen has been inducted.

8. Is there any evidence to suggest that D.L. was significantly better or worse than is suggested by its statistical records?

D.L. were big in the 80's, but by 1987 after the release of Hysteria, the market became so oversaturated that the genre became a laughing stock by 1992. But at the time of the Hysteria release, they were one of the biggest bands out.

9. Is D.L. the best artist in her genre which is eligible for the Hall of Fame?

D.L. clearly followed Judas Priest and Iron Maiden in the so called "Heavy Metal British Invasion", although D.L. had more of a crossover appeal than the other bands. Their concerts were not just for denim clad teenage boys. Women also dug them which for some reason is considered bad by many Hard Rock/Metal fans.

10. How many #1 singles/gold records did D.L. have? Did D.L. ever win a Grammy award? If not, how many times was D.L. nominated?

I do not believe they were ever nominated for a Grammy. The song "Two Steps Behind" appeared in as the lead song in a movie soundtrack, but I have no idea if it was ever nominated for anything. It was a horrible song in my opinion. It would be too long to list their charted singles but their albums charts are:

2 #1's, 1 #2, 1 #9, 1 #10, 2 #11's, 1 #14, 1 #15, 1 #16 and 1 # 38. Their first album did not chart in the top 100, peaking at #138.

11. How many Grammy-level songs/albums did D.L. have? For how long of a period did D.L. dominate the music scene? How many Rolling Stone covers did D.L. appear on? Did most of the artists with this sort of impact go into the Hall of Fame?

I cannot say that D.L. dominated because of the gaps between albums which was due to injury or death. So all I can use as a barometer is album sales and tours and they were huge in this area. I am not sure if they made the cover of the Rolling Stone, but they made the cover for other publications such as Guitar Magazine, Cream, Circus, etc. Some bands with this type of success have been inducted, some have not.

12. If D.L.was the best band at a concert, would it be likely that the concert would rock? I have seen D.L. three times; once as an opening, twice as headliners and I can say yes to this question. They kicked arse, especially during the Pyromania tour.

13. What impact did D.L. have on rock history? Was D.L. responsible for any stylistic changes? Did D.L. introduce any new equipment? Did D.L. change history in any way?

For better or worse, they are blamed by many for spearheading the Hair Band scene. I don't agree with this, but their ability to combine Hard Rock and Pop was transformed into a formula for bands from L.A. I think David Lee can be credited for reintroducing spandex to rock bands. I don't know if you want to count the two years that many people were walking around wearing the Union Jack T-shirt. D.L. did try and give their live audience a show. They didn't just stare at the floor and play their instruments. No, they did not change history.


14. Did the band uphold the standards of sportsmanship and character that the Hall of Fame, in its written guidelines, instructs us to consider?

They lived all the "Behind the Scenes" fodder that make up the mystique of Rock and Roll. Founding member tossed out because of excessive drinking, one lost arm due to reckless driving and one dead due to stupidity (alcohol and drugs).
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Based on this criteria list which i personally don't understand, D.L. meets the basic requirements, although not in an overwhelming manner. I am not sure if they will ever get in. Maybe 15 years from now, who knows, but as a fan of music, I will say that IMO, I think they should get in.

I am now retiring from defending Def Leppard. go ahead and bash them if you want, I really don't care. I like the band.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 19:32pm


Wooh, wooh!!!! Hold up man....I'm not reading all that shit....Keep it simple...and short.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 12:54pm


Sorry Joe - usually I do, but I have been catching hell for my believing D.L. has earned consideration. I used the a criteria list that has been used by this site.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 15:24pm


F**k grunge, who the he** wants to sit & listen to bunch of whinny, boring a**, I'm gonna kill myself bunch of losers. In fact, one lead singer did manage to blow his pathetic little brains out. Music is supposed to make you forget about life's problems, kick back, let your hair down so to speak, especially with the way the world is today. That's what the music of the 80's did, yeah it may have been a bit cheesy, but so what, and sure, most of those bands weren't revolutionary, but I'd sure as he** rather listen to that than all the crying in my beer (Babbling Prozac) crap that came along in the 90's & even on to this day. Music today isn't music, it's just a bunch of lame useless noise.

Posted by Greg on Tuesday, 03.11.08 @ 08:35am


"Music today isn't music, it's just a bunch of lame useless noise."

Shut the hell up, kid. If you strayed away from daddy's record for all of 5 minutes you'd be pleasantly surprised.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 03.11.08 @ 11:35am


Shut the hell up, kid.

Liam - you have to be the most pleasant person I have ever met in real life or the cyber world.

What did he say that was so wrong? He doesn't like Grunge and some of the newer stuff. What should we do, hang him? Maybe he is comfortable in the music that he enjoys.

Will you ever understand that some people just want to be entertained? He wasn't making any commentary on who should or shouldn't be in the Hall. All he did was express an opinion of his likes and don't likes. I admit his use of language was not the best, but at least he used * and aimed his words at some music and not at people. Save the bickering for people who attack you.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 03.11.08 @ 11:42am


"What did he say that was so wrong?"

He said "Music today isn't music, it's just a bunch of lame useless noise," which is a load of small minded bullsh*t. Unless, ofcourse, you agree with him?

"All he did was express an opinion of his likes and don't likes."

No, he didn't. Thanks for playing.

"Save the bickering for people who attack you."

This is a forum. An open forum.

An. Open. Forum.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 03.11.08 @ 11:48am


He said "Music today isn't music, it's just a bunch of lame useless noise," which is a load of small minded bullsh*t. Unless, ofcourse, you agree with him?

So why don't you say that instead of "Shut-up kid)? He certainly made no comments about your beloved bands (Joy Division, New Order, etc) which would have got your panties all knotted up. A lot of today's music does s*ck, just like a lot of the music from the 90's 80's 70's 60' and 50's s*cked.

No, he didn't.

Yeah - he did, but you took it personal as usual because you don't agree.

Thanks for playing.

Your wit is not all that, trust me - save it for the fanboy.

This is a forum. An open forum.

That's right, it is an open forum which people get to express opinions on what they like or don't like. I may not have appreciated the way he expressed these thoughts, but I don't tell him to shut-up. He doesn't seem to be a serial poster. His opinion on this open forum is to be accepted no less than yours. Tell him you agree or don't. Give him your opinion as to why you feel like you do, and let it go. Although I may not always agree with William's opinions, he always tries to explain it so others understand where he is coming from. We already know you have no use for the music that came from that genre. But you come here and tell people they are stupid and don't know anything. You don't know more than everyone; maybe some, but not all.

Why must you always be such a hard a**?

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 03.11.08 @ 12:33pm


I don't know whether you got it last time, but could you please start using something to separate the quote from your speech?

"So why don't you say that instead of "Shut-up kid)?"

Dunno. Guess I need to be hanged because I didn't write out a 1000 word essay on why Greg's comment was stupid. Thanks.

"He certainly made no comments about your beloved bands (Joy Division, New Order, etc) which would have got your panties all knotted up."

What, did I ever say he did? No.

"A lot of today's music does s*ck, just like a lot of the music from the 90's 80's 70's 60' and 50's s*cked."

Yeah, I agree, but that's not what he said at all. He said ""Music today isn't music, it's just a bunch of lame useless noise," as in all music, which isn't true.

Do you always feel that over-whelming urge to spank me for things I never do?

"That's right, it is an open forum which people get to express opinions on what they like or don't like."

I really cannot be bothered with this today.

"His opinion on this open forum is to be accepted no less than yours."

When you go around shouting "ALL DA 2000s MUSIC IS CRAPPY", or whatever, your opinion gets taken down a notch in respect.

Or are you a communist?

"Tell him you agree or don't. Give him your opinion as to why you feel like you do, and let it go. Although I may not always agree with William's opinions, he always tries to explain it so others understand where he is coming from."

Way to go totally over board on a passing, trivial comment. If I'd have known that Mr. Dameon was going to grade my comments, I'd have put more effort into it.

"But you come here and tell people they are stupid and don't know anything."

You give people way to much respect than they deserve.

"You don't know more than everyone; maybe some, but not all."

Never claimed to. I'd bet a fair sum that I know more than Greg, though.

"Why must you always be such a hard a**?"

Why do you wast time on passing comments? Jeez, it's not like I insulted his mother or anything. I just told him that he'd find out that there is much better music than Def Leppard.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 03.11.08 @ 12:53pm


Liam - enjoy your life.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 03.11.08 @ 13:14pm


plain and simple def leppard is truely one of the best bands ever and in mine and many peoples opinions the absoulute best of the 80s seriously, how many other bands are still alive from that period? hysteria and pyromania havent hardly left my tape player cdplayer and ipod in years there still selling out concerts and still going on strong long live them and they deffinately deserve to have the rock and roll hall of fame honor

Posted by kimberly on Saturday, 03.15.08 @ 10:43am


I honestly believe that DL should be in the hall of fame. Wether you like them or not this is a little info for everyone. When Adrenilze came out in the spring of 1992 it ended up selling about 405 million records. This is one of the few "hair" bands (if that is what you want to refer to them as) that still could compete during the early grunge era. This says alot about the band. Hey now...everyone ejoy the music ya like!!

Posted by Dano on Sunday, 03.23.08 @ 03:25am


When Adrenilze came out in the spring of 1992 it ended up selling about 405 million records. Dano

I have defended D.L.'s right to be considered for the HoF. But please tell me where you came up with the sales number of 405 Million for Adrenalize? Are you sure you don't mean 4.5 Million? And Adrenalize is not the album you should use for this arguement; it was not as strong as previous recordings. I think D.L. lost its soul when Steve Clark died.

And they were not a "Hair Band". However, many bands who became the genre followed their pop-metal formula. So I guess we can say they were the precursor of the Hair Bands. And because of this connection, I fear they will never be judged on their own merit.

Hey now...everyone ejoy the music ya like!!

This I must agree with!

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 03.23.08 @ 05:32am


Dameon I meant 4-5 million which I still believe is a very good total for the time of which it came out. And if I am not mistaken isn't adrenalzie the last "new" album that had any input from Steve Clark? (except for Retro-Active whcih was all older songs not used on previous albums) I have been a Lep fan since Pyromania came out when I was 10.I just think it's funny how well Adrenalize did during the "i hate everyting including myself" grunge phase. I aslo agree that DL is not a hairband because they were a hard rock band when they came out (and never used any makeup I believe). But it seems to me that some of these people on this forum believe that in order to be a HOF band you must sign about how life sucks or be a poet (then blow your freaking brains out cause life sucks and you don't want to be a spokesman for your geration). By the way White Lighting is a sad song because it's about Steve Clarks life going south.

Posted by dano on Sunday, 03.23.08 @ 05:53am


"why do the catalogs of critic's favorite artists like a Patti Smith or Joy Division for example sell a tiny fraction of what Def Leppard catalog sells today? who is influencing who, in sheer #'s??"

Because the public are f*cking idiots, that'll be why.

BTW, Def Leppard don't have a SPOT on Patti Smith or Joy Division in terms of both quality AND influence and innovation.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 03.30.08 @ 13:42pm


Because there's very little correlation between the people who buy records and the people who make music. If Band X sells N-million records, we don't assume that 100% of those N-million people were in a band. Similarly, a band that doesn't have much going for it in terms of originality is going to have a hard time winning converts when competing against other potential influences who did what they did earlier. Conversely, a band with a very distinct and original sound isn't going to be "competing" for followers; everyone who comes after wanting to copy that sound will end up drawing inspiration from them either directly or indirectly. Def Leppard's own influences might have been innovative, but they were not, so their importance is diminished greatly. They are a redundancy in the musical timeline, furthering the evolution of sound by exactly nothing. Thumbs down.

Posted by William on Sunday, 03.30.08 @ 15:56pm


I know I know number of albums sold or hits or even concert attendence has nothing to do with how good a band is. Def Leppard was the first of the so called hair bands and others copied them. Just like the grunge artists. You are one of those people who say if they are popular and became "commercialized" the band gets no merit.

Posted by dano on Monday, 03.31.08 @ 00:41am


"Def Leppard was the first of the so called hair bands and others copied them."

You misspelled "Van Halen."

"Just like the grunge artists."

Not really.

"You are one of those people who say if they are popular and became "commercialized" the band gets no merit."

I just read over William's comment, and no, nothing of that is in there. Maybe you have a reading difficulty, I don't know.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 03.31.08 @ 02:07am


Liam your a freaking grunger!!! And yes dano is right Def Leppard was the first so called hair band. I don't believe Van Halen fits that. And by the way this will really piss you off Def Leppard is one of what four or five rock acts that has two lbums that sold 10 million plus copies. Def Leppard not an influence tell that to the dozens of hair bands that followed in thier footsteps. If you don't like their music thats fine but don't lower their significance in music. Oh wait it only counts if your a freaking Nirvana grunge freak!!

Posted by morterfly on Monday, 03.31.08 @ 04:44am


You know what would be really good, Moterfly? If you started using English properly.

"Liam your [sic] a freaking grunger!!!" - illiterate piece of sh*t

No I'm not, idiot. You and I have never spoken before. I doubt you're even remoely aware of some of the music I like (ie The Fall, Cocteau twins...might wanna Wiki them).

"And yes dano is right Def Leppard was the first so called hair band. I don't believe Van Halen fits that." - illiterate piece of sh*t

Errr...yes, they do. Dork.

"And by the way this will really piss you off Def Leppard is one of what four or five rock acts that has two lbums that sold 10 million plus copies."

Wow, look at me, I just snapped the keyboard in two....yaaawn

"If you don't like their music thats fine but don't lower their significance in music."

Doesn't matter because Def Leppard have literally no significance in music.



Now, if you'd come back with an actual f*cking agument, rather than the illiterate crap you just vomited over your keyboard, we can talk.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 03.31.08 @ 05:42am


Liam

Loser loser loser. Oh the fall cocteau twins. Better hope they don't have a hit or I will hate them forever. Sorry that you love bands that spill out hate and darkness. Boy your still not over Cobain blowing his brains out are you. He was such a master of dark songs. Lets hate the bands that sell millions of records and are played on the radio and tour and make people smile and happy. Lets lower them to losers because in your idiotic opinion they have "no" significance. And again no Van Halen was not a hair band just a hard rock band. So liam if Joe Elliot would of offed himself after Hysteria that would fit into your opinion of greatness right??

schmuck

Posted by moterfly on Monday, 03.31.08 @ 06:28am


What, are you 10 years old or something?

Posted by Liam on Monday, 03.31.08 @ 06:31am


Also, you're not nearly as interesting as you seem to think you are. Normally, I would follow this up with insults to people's mothers, but I seem to have developed a bit of maturity, so I won't.

Maybe later, if you sh*t out another of the usual illiterate-dirge comments.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 03.31.08 @ 06:35am


After hearing the album, Hysteria, I have loved Def Leppard. They deserve to get in. To all those who don't agree, get a life, get off your butt and listen to some good music.

Posted by Robert on Monday, 03.31.08 @ 08:07am


Hey Robert! I'm listening to "Hex Enduction Hour" by The Fall right now: surely that counts as good music, and I don't think DL should come anywhere near the HoF?

What's that? You've never heard The Fall? Well...

Posted by Liam on Monday, 03.31.08 @ 08:18am


As I've said, the number of hits do not matter either way. Black Sabbath had a good number of hits, but the difference between them and Def Leppard is that they were both original and actually good. You couldn't go back five years and find other bands doing more or less the same thing, which is where the Van Halen comment came in, I assume.

"So liam if Joe Elliot would of offed himself after Hysteria that would fit into your opinion of greatness right??"-moterfly

I'd say yes, but not in the way you're thinking.

Posted by William on Monday, 03.31.08 @ 11:07am


Liam

Your an idiot. If you are against DL then go to the site of your big bad Fall.......asuuming that they even have a site.Go back to your dark grunge and listen to your master Kurt!!! Wow right now this site says 88% of the voters believe DL should go in. Eat it!!

Posted by moterfly on Tuesday, 04.1.08 @ 04:46am


Motorfly - Liam is not much of a Cobain fan either.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 04.1.08 @ 04:49am


I believe that Liam is one of those people that so badly wants to be in a band that is sucessfull. He is jeolous of any that have any commercial sucess that he must be negative. Oh to be the great know all Liam! Wow the Fall is the best group ever they are so rad!!! Did one of the band memebers give you an autograph or something?
You wanna be a rock star but you suck...its all in the way you write!!

Posted by dano on Tuesday, 04.1.08 @ 05:39am


It's funny how I can be more literate when I have a hang-over than you D.L. fans are on a good day.

And no, I'm not a big Cobain OR grunge fan. I do like Soundgarden alot, though, but that's all really.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.1.08 @ 05:51am


It's funny how I can be more literate when I have a hang-over than you D.L. fans are on a good day. - Liam

Stop patting yourself on the back with what you believe to be awe inspiring commentary.

Go Yankees! opening Day was rained out, let's hope they get tonight's game in.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 04.1.08 @ 06:07am


I'm actually not, Dameon. Read more carefully, and you'll see.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.1.08 @ 06:17am


Dameon

You seem to be down to earth and rather cool on this site. I can't say the same about Lame (Liam) and his twin William. Especially if you don't agree with them.

Posted by dano on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 03:33am


Hold a grudge why don't you...

Posted by William on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 04:15am


It's not a grudge its just my opinion. I've read both of your opinions on several bands on this site. It just seems to me (and others who have posted to you) that if someone likes a band/musician that you do not like you are rude. I can tell that I do not listen/enjoy the dame kind of music that you two do. But I do not think that your opinion is useless and that you are lesser people. All I am saying is that is how you two come across.

Posted by dano on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 05:07am


"It just seems to me (and others who have posted to you) that if someone likes a band/musician that you do not like you are rude."-dano

It has nothing to do with like or dislike. Try to wrap your head around this concept for once. They want this band, because they happen to like it, to be honored as being important to the development and perpetuation of rock. Whether they like that band or not is irrespective of whether it deserves that honor. Whether I like that band or not is irrespective. It doesn't matter. Too many people are making bad cases for undeserving bands based on wishes and dreams. That doesn't cut it. So yeah I'll jump on those people because they let their fandom get in the way of objectivity. They think their band is special because THEY like it, and not because it actually is special. And they're the majority of music fans: Egocentrists. I don't think every band I like is special and deserving, but I'm certainly not picking on bands who do deserve it just because I don't like them. My arguments are consistent and based on the Hall's own set standards: influence and innovation. If you think I'm wrong about that, fine, but don't try the cheap crap about preferential treatment.

Posted by William on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 07:24am


Clarification: What I meant was, if you think I'm wrong about a particular artist's influence and innovation, feel free to argue.

Posted by William on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 07:26am


Dano - thnx, but let me comment on your point. I believe William to be a purist when it comes to the HoF. He doesn't base his comments on his likes or dislikes. If I have read him correctly these past few months, he feels inclusion should be based on objective understanding of the criteria which the Hall has supposedly set forth (not that they always do). Since this site/forum is mostly visited by the fans which tend not to be objective in their viewpoints, there will always be points of contention with William's observations. William and I rarely agree on many points, but he does expect the arguement presented here to be more than just "They sold millions of albums" and I agree with him on that. If that was the only criteria, then the Hall will be opening their doors to the likes of Mariah, Britney, Backstreet Boys, Bon Jovi and other garbage. He can be gruff, but when you have a good, solid foundation for your arguement, it can be an interesting dialogue with him. He has pointed a couple of things out to me.

I have no comment on Liam anymore. He is what he is and it is up to you if you want to attempt to engage in dialogue with him. I have nothing bad to say about him. I save that for when we argue over things (see Europe and the arguement we just concluded)

I will repeat this - Def Leppard was and is not a "Hair Band". But if everyone wants to blame them for the Hair Metal scene, then they must be considered to have been an influencing factor in a musical genre and it shouldn't matter as to whether you liked or disliked that genre. They basically took the Hard Rock sound of Judas Priest, Saxon, and Iron Maiden and blended it with a more melody based sound. The song Photograph was as well written a Hard Rock song as you will hear. The opening guitar chords had a hook, the verses had a hook, the chorus had a hook and the lead break had a hook. And it is this that the bands that followed picked up on it the mid to late 80's. "HOOKS"!! By the time Hysteria was released (not including Pour Some Sugar), their sound had matured. Hysteria was aclaimed by both many critics and obviously the fans who made it a huge selling success. Pour Some Sugar On Me, although not one of my favorite songs is what it is - a song for strippers. And really, what is so wrong with that. When Steve Clark died, IMO, the soul of the band died. I have made my arguement for their inclusion into the Hall, but if they don't get in, I am certainly not going to lose any sleep over it.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 08:35am


hmmm the definition of influence. Power to sway or affect based on prestige, weath, ability or position. William you lose this arguement. Def leppard definatly influenced several bands after them because they all wanted to play how they were playing. And if you really look at it they SWAYED people to buy thier album with their ability to play rock n roll. And seriously if Blondie is in the HOF Def leppard certainly should be as with other groups. heck there are powers that be on the voting commettee that want bands that they helped get in the HOF and ones that dissed them kept out.

Posted by dano on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 06:49am


"hmmm the definition of influence. Power to sway or affect based on prestige, weath, ability or position."

Relevant?.....

Again, crud argument. This is about musical influence, which was made somewhat obvious by the fact that this is a music discussion site.

"William you lose this arguement. Def leppard definatly influenced several bands after them because they all wanted to play how they were playing.

Rather than relying on unsubstantiated hearsay, it would a good idea to actually give examples to backup your point. Otherwise, you can pretty much guarantee to lose respect.

"And if you really look at it they SWAYED people to buy thier album with their ability to play rock n roll."

This one actually makes no sense at all.

"And seriously if Blondie is in the HOF Def leppard certainly should be as with other groups."

Somehow I don't think you're even remotely aware of Blondie influence on New Wave.

"heck there are powers that be on the voting commettee that want bands that they helped get in the HOF and ones that dissed them kept out."

And there are also (a few) powers that be that manage to keep mediocre groups out of the Hall. You know, mediocre groups like Def Leppard.




PS Try using grammar properly. If your not going to make any relevant or coherent points, at least make them legible.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 07:34am


i love def lepard their my nimber one idol rock and roll love you guys always katie

Posted by katie on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 21:31pm


Liam that was for William. And if you don't like my opinion on the influence part that's fine. We don't agree, period.You act like making records that sell millions along with many hits is something that anyone can do. Actually Def Leppard worst commercial album (yet most critically aclaimed) was SLANG. That was when they threw their hats into trying to make an alternative record.I agree with dameon..they influenced the hair metal scene.

Posted by dano on Tuesday, 04.8.08 @ 00:10am


Sadly, I must pull all my support for Def Leppard from possible induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Having found out that they performed on the hit television show "Dancing With The Stars", I can no longer find it in my heart to back them. Although I understand the need for a musical artist to promote their new work; this is wrong on so many levels. Steve Clark must be rolling in his grave.

I reserve the right to reverse fields and punt on this subject, just in case they do something worthy in the future.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 04.30.08 @ 14:32pm


Dameon... oh Dameon - I actually feel sorry for you. This is a tragic day. It could have been worse - they could have played American Idol.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 04.30.08 @ 22:37pm


It was probably Joe Elliot's idea. What a wuss! I always wanted to beat the crap out of him. But I thank you for your condolences.

My new position is the induction of Mott the Hoople and Mountain.

Also, The English Beat!

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 05.1.08 @ 03:14am


Liam - if you say one negative thing about Mott, I am getting on a plane and coming to look for you.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 05.1.08 @ 13:01pm


One of few "hair bands"(don't deny it) with cred. They should get in.

Posted by Patrick on Thursday, 06.5.08 @ 22:25pm


Denied!

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 06.6.08 @ 06:43am


I admit to being caught off guard by how the Kiss conversation turned to the Beatles. There are plenty of pros/cons over the Beatles early work. While it was interesting, no one seems to have followed up with any real answer to my contention about instrumental technology as a leveller in the I&I debate. I have switched over to the Def Lep page to make a point. Follow me there if you will.

What strikes me about the Beatles argument (early vs later) is the focus on the technology. How is it that the Beatles can be hailed for using what would have been then cutting edge studio tech. while a band like Def Lep 15-20 yrs. down the line is lambasted? At the same time (66-68) the Velvets are out there purposely pursuing a minimalist approach. Leap ahead 25 yrs. or so and Pavement is doing the same thing. Speaking from a studio standpoint, Pavement has the ability to out do all of them if they so wished, but their choice was lo-fi. So how is it that following a purposeful lo-fi route is still acceptable after all these yrs., while aiming for top line studio tech. is frowned upon? I've always felt Def Lep should be in the Hall, and for those reasons. They (and all hair bands for that matter) should not be punished for purposely pursuing the tech. of their day.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 06.17.08 @ 04:42am


Without getting into the arguement as to whether they are deserving of induction one day, I don't recall ever reading Def Lep getting trashed because they made use of hi-tech studio equipment. They were basically kids who went along with their producer (Mutt Lange)who had quite a successful track record. Who wouldn't? Maybe critics blasted them a bit for having released a technically perfect album (Hysteria), but who really cares what the critics have to say?

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 06.17.08 @ 06:13am


Does anyone know the history behind the "Top 40"? Why did they pick that number and not 50?

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 06.17.08 @ 06:52am


I think DL are/were lambasted because their actual output sucked wholly.

*braces for flaming*

And I DO like Van Halen btw - hair-metal wasn't totally crap IMO.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 06.17.08 @ 09:41am


Hey Dameon, go to Wikipedia and type in "Top 40". That will tell you how it all began.

Posted by Brian on Tuesday, 06.17.08 @ 11:33am


Tsk, Tsk, Liam... you're disappointing me here. You're falling into the fanboy column you so seem to despise. That's not so bad though, when you think about it. We're all allowed to be fanboy's (& fangirl's I suppose) from time to time.

I'm all for Tom Jones and Chicago getting in. I'd also cast a vote for Heart, but I'm afraid they might have a bit of a problem, despite their obvious success. Unlike Chicago or Jones, their track record is a little short, and I've a feeling that might stick in the craw of a few voters. Maybe if everything were tossed in, including the fact they played a semi-direct role within the 90's Seattle scene(C. Crowe might not have filmed Singles had he not had such access to the scene - marriage certainly helped there) they might get in.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 06.17.08 @ 18:46pm


Liam a fanboy - Noooooooooo! He is the most objective person on this board.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 06.18.08 @ 02:51am


From Liam "hair metal wasn't otaly crap.!' All is now good in hollywood! I will fight to the death for DL to be in the HOF. IMO they were influenced alot of music. And with what Dameom said they were not a hair band. Hey Liam I am still waitng for your help on Danger Danger and Ratt being inducted.

Dameon the best Danger Danger song ever... INO "don't balme it one love" off of the Album Srew It. To bad it came out in 1991.............two year ealier it would of gone 3X platnium!!!!

Posted by dano on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 02:22am


Sorry about my spelling!!! A hard night of drinking after softball!!! oh well!

Posted by dano on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 02:24am


Dano - I am glad someone will carry the D.L. flag because after they appeared on "Dancing With The Stars" a couple of months ago, I had to withdraw my support for now. That being said, I still believe that they have met most of the stated criteria to enter the Hall. But as far as I am concerned, Def Leppard ended when Steve Clark died.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 05:18am


Seriously, Dameon? One appearance on a silly reality show is going to change your commitment to Def Leppard? Artists and record labels are flipping out about the decline of album sales. They don't know what to do, so they try to get as much publicity as they possibly can. Would DL have done this 10 years ago? No way. But things have changed and sometimes you sacrifice a little dignity, but was DL ever known for their integrity anyway?

Posted by mel on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 09:17am


but was DL ever known for their integrity anyway? - Mel


They were, right up to the point where Steve Clark died.

One appearance on a silly reality show is going to change your commitment to Def Leppard? - Mel

No one has argued more for D.L.'s induction here than me. And I am fully aware that albums need to be promoted, but couldn't they have done it on some cheesy musical performance show as opposed to a dancing reality show? I said it before and I will say it again, that night, Steve Clark rolled over in his grave.

Def Leppard always has my support for induction. Everyone hates them for influencing the 80's scene. Well, no matter whether that music scene is respected or not, influence is influence. Therefore, let them in; but please no more reality TV.

And Liam - I have heard everything there needs to be heard from you on this subject, so just leave it alone.

Shawn - be nice and leave my guilty pleasure alone.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 09:37am


"Everyone hates them for influencing the 80's scene."

No people hate DL because their music is painfully derivative.

Posted by Liam on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 11:13am


Liam

I asked you nicely not to comment. Why? Because all you do is spew the same exact crap; much like you charge Def Leppard with. And really, the only thing painful around here is you.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 11:27am


Hahahaha, I could have written your response perfectly before you'd even read my previous comment!

Posted by Liam on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 11:31am


Then you should have saved me those 30 seconds which I will now never get back and wrote it yourself.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 12:15pm


yes yes YES<3

Posted by trixxie on Wednesday, 07.9.08 @ 00:41am


One last point on D.L. and what they did prior to Steve Clark's death. For those of you who have access to a hi-fi system that can actually break down the song instrumentation on a record, listen to Hysteria. Listen to the guitar harmonizing in the melody. What they were doing was fantastic. It was not completely original, but it was something we had not heard in a long time and they did it amazingly well.

For The Record: Hair Bands - Spandex, poofed hair, pretty make-up. D.L. was not one of them.

1981 - High and Dry
1983 - Pyromania
1987 - Hysteria

There is nothing formula about these albums because no one else was doing anything like them. They took the Hard Rock of the earlier 70's, harmonized the guitars and slowed it down just a tad and added Beatle/Beach Boy type vocal harmonies. They sort of married Zeppelin with Duran, Duran and through in a touch of Mott.


After Steve Clark died - it all went to hell; although some of the tracks on Slang are pretty amazing. I did like the tribute album "Yeah".

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 07.30.08 @ 05:27am


You hit the nail on the head, Big D!

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 07.30.08 @ 06:03am


Correction - "Threw"

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 07.30.08 @ 06:31am


Ooops - one more thing of note.

Although Wiki cannot be perceived as the end all of anything, it is interesting to note that when reading the Wiki definition of "Hair Bands", you will not see one reference to Def Leppard anywhere.

There song structure, pop sensibility and arrogant youth may have influenced the sound of many of the Hair Band's sounds, they never were one of them.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 08.22.08 @ 08:05am


O.K what's been going on here??!!! I've been missing a lot over the last week.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 08.23.08 @ 05:04am


Def Leppard Suck. The only thing that could make someone stay awake at one of their concerts is that it's too loud. Seriously, if you could tattoo a shit it would say Def Leppard on it.

Posted by D. Stroy on Tuesday, 09.9.08 @ 20:52pm


Another "informed" critique by D. Stroy!!! I'll bet it took you WEEKS to think that up!!! Is there a full moon or something???

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 09.9.08 @ 21:07pm


Def Leppard was considered Heavy Metal in the UK not in the U.S.A. Therefore, a slow song every now and then was not a bad thing. They deserve to be in the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame for being able to understand the lyerics if nothing else.

Posted by ShortShot on Friday, 09.19.08 @ 21:18pm


come on 65 million records sold....countless hit singles....and most of all whether you liked 80's rock music or not , they not only influenced it they started a whole era of rock music. Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it wasn't infuential. and as for you grunge lovers...where is it now??? gone because in the end grunge became exactly what it rebeled against.A bunch of lesser bands copying a few talented originals..

Posted by deflep71 on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 18:29pm


so funny...I have "wasted" an afternoon reading about this Def Leppard debate. The D.L. haters are non-conformists and hate them because they are were so popular....what? did you have to sit at lunch all by yourself in high school and scribble Iron Maiden logos on your text book and dream of the day they would get the recognition Def leppard gets.....so sad....so you developed a life-long opinion that any thing popular is not worthy. That is why you identfy with loser loners like Patti Smith that hide outside popular culture. I am sure that is why you consistenly dog down album sales as a criteria. Patti Smith as sold 5 cds in 30 years...I guess that is a badge of honor to you.Bottom line....I think Def Leppard belongs in the Hall for a lot of reasons....heck, if the Hall can let Blondie in, then shit, my 12-yrd son's garage band should be in the Hall. Rock! Rock! Til You Drop!

Posted by bquest on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 15:44pm


Heck, I liked metal & grunge equally. It was possible to be a non-conformist and still like commercial metal. As a matter of fact, when I was in high school the metalheads were not the issue. The real problem came from the cool kids, who ironically enough were into mostly dance & techno music, w/the odd rock song thrown in (some B-52's, "Love Shack" and what have you). When grunge hit I was more happy to see the jocks and cheerleaders sweat it out as opposed to the metal folk, minus a few general jerks who would've been that way no matter what they listened to. You can like Def Lep & Nirvana equally and get away w/it. Those who are ridiculously pigeon-holed are the worse for not trying it this way.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 17:21pm


def leppard deserves to be in. people say they dont because of their genre of rock. they say it is the least liked, if it is then how do they sell millions of albums every album. they sell more than some types of music and people say it is the most disliked genre of rock? thats kinda funny. to me it should go by album sells and history not by how they influenced other bands or how they were pioneers to types of rock

Posted by mike on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 19:49pm


No one has defended D.L. here as much as me and I do believe they will be inducted one day. The music they recorded with Steve Clark is top notch and very influential. And I did enjoy Slang, but it seemed too calculated in the sound change. But before they get in, some others from the Hard Rock/Pop Metal scene need to get in first: Deep Purple, Alice Cooper, Cheap Trick and a few others. But I think D.L. will have their day.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 02:59am


To Lilth and Carla(from the Coven page)-

You argued that big $ is driving the music world, while pining for what appears to be a more bucolic, less corporate past. The simple fact is you may be pining for it cause yoou've lost touch w/contemporary rock. Let's explore that past, shall we:

How many people are running around w/tickets from Woodstock? They paid for it. The concert itself was to hype the building of a studio, itself a $-making venture.

The Jeff. Airplane once did a commercial for Levi's Jeans in the 60's. The Doors - "Come on Buick, Light My Fire". On a doc. on drugs I saw a 60's 7-up psychedelic commercial.

The best though, is the video "Message to Love". It concerns the Isle of Wight Festival (Aug. 26-30, 1970). The poor promoter, "Rikki", at one point has to explain to the pampered audience why they must pay 3 pounds. "This is the way the world works" he notes. Later Joan Baez covers herself for not playng more freebies by claiming that "these kids have been handed a rotten stinking world, and there rebelling against it". 25 yrs. later Gen X said the same thing, but the boomers called it whining.

Oh where, oh where did the trip from "hip"pie to "hyp"ocrite begin? Don't feel bad though. I once told myslef the same things about 80's metal and 90's grunge.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 06:17am


Def Leppard should be inducted.

"....to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll..."

Notwithstanding the albums sales, as they are not considered a criteria, it's hard to disagree that Def Leppard did advanced the metal genre and rock and roll at a time when music was going in the synth direction. Additionally, they influenced countless other bands from the eighties and although most will disagree with me, it's the "hair metal" of the eighties that spawned the "grunge" of the nineties. Remember seeing Alice in Chains, Sound Garden and PEarl Jam on Headbanger's Ball before you ever heard the word "grunge"?

From a writing standpoint, their songs and the recording processes they were created under excel against a good portion of the music written since the 80's. It's the reason you can enjoy the songs as much today as 10, 20 years ago.

But to be fair, I believe there are other bands out there that should be placed ahead of DL. I think Kiss had a huge effect on R&R, but they don't seem to get credit either.

Posted by Phil on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 19:57pm


They have just blown any chance of making it into the American Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame. Here's why:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmxZyr-juB8

Posted by prognosticator on Friday, 10.10.08 @ 14:06pm


That is too f'n funny! What do you want from a bunch of lads from Sheffield? Is Wenner a hockey fan?

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Friday, 10.10.08 @ 14:20pm


Def Lepoard will eat your soul!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Mike on Sunday, 10.12.08 @ 05:43am


Has DL been a nominee since becoming eligible, or just been discussed by the Hall as a possible nominee? The band hasa couple decently acclaimed albums, and singles. Not as much as, say, Metallica, but enough that you'd think it would at least be considered more seriously than a Bon Jovi, Journey, Foreigner, etc. etc.

Posted by JR on Monday, 02.2.09 @ 09:53am


I want to get a ping pong paddle that says DEF LEPPARD on it.

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 02.4.09 @ 14:31pm


Some favorites (no order):

Bringin On the Heartbreak
Animal
Let It Go
Rocket
Gods of War
Armaggedon It
Photograph
Saturday Night High & Dry
Foolin'
Hysteria

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 03.28.09 @ 14:04pm


Def Leppard not getting inducted into the R&R HOF is like Babe Ruth not getting inducted into the baseball's HOF. Make it happen and do the right thing! Show me any band that'd stick with their drummer even after he loses an arm. Show me a band who's non-greatest hits records are better than most greatest-hits records out there. Tons of hits, tons of records sold, still rockin' hard... influenced all the pop metal bands of the 80's and 90s. They rules the universe during the 80's... Pyromania almost unseated Michael Jackson's "Thriller" from #1. Adrenalized debuted at #1, the same week Bruce Spingsteen released his album.

Posted by Patrick Gwon on Monday, 04.13.09 @ 11:29am


Show me any band that'd stick with their drummer even after he loses an arm. Show me a band who's non-greatest hits records are better than most greatest-hits records out there. Tons of hits, tons of records sold, still rockin' hard.
Posted by Patrick Gwon on Monday, 04.13.09 @ 11:29am

Great band... but Sandy Nelson lost his leg and was the hottest rock drummer in the early 60's from studio to his Hit songs "Let there be Drums" "Birth of the Beat" etc.. If it were not for Sandy it could of been wh .."Who are the Who ..? and Cream What..? or Surfaris "Wipe Out" my have never even charted..
Yes to SANDY NELSON..!

Posted by mrxyz on Monday, 04.13.09 @ 11:43am


mrxyz - I do not believe that the point Patrick was making had anything to do with what other bands did. His comment was regarding one specific band who had everything to lose by sticking with their drummer, but did it anyway.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.13.09 @ 13:46pm


mrxyz - I do not believe that the point Patrick was making had anything to do with what other bands did. His comment was regarding one specific band who had everything to lose by sticking with their drummer, but did it anyway.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.13.09 @ 13:46pm



Since the drummer could still drum what did they have to lose..?...I am glad they kept him and my point was other hot drummers{Sandy Nelson} before him stll made it big...Sandy was one of the first drummers in rock to do drum solos as a hit rock tune.. With only 1 leg !! Sandy was taken on by the great Lew Chudd of Imperial Records who also found and signed Fats Domino and he also was the first to have a stereo LP .I stll wonder why Lew and Sandy are not in or even up to be in the RRHOF,,,?
Thats show biz.........?

Posted by mrxyz on Monday, 04.13.09 @ 17:05pm


Since the drummer could still drum what did they have to lose..?...mrxyz

I think the point is that he couldn't drum. And this was at the point where they had to follow up the second best selling album of that year; only surpassed by M.J.'s Thriller. They waited; he retaught himself the drums and helped design the drum kit which he now uses. He is playing his left hand with his left foot. And with all due respect to Sandy Nelson and all he accomplished; missing an arm as a drummer is slightly more significant; especially for a touring band.

Again, I am not taking anything away from Nelson, but it is a different story here. But bravo to both musicians.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.13.09 @ 18:31pm


Dameon his point was


Show me any band that'd stick with their drummer even after he loses an arm. Show me a band who's non-greatest hits records are better than most greatest-hits records out there. Tons of hits, tons of records sold, still rockin' hard.
Posted by Patrick Gwon on Monday, 04.13.09 @ 11:29am




I said Sandy Nelson lost a Leg and His biggest it was after the loss...Leg or arm are both mportant when drumming.. Also Name any drummer that has had his own BIG HIT...?

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 04.14.09 @ 16:51pm


said Sandy Nelson lost a Leg and His biggest it was after the loss...Leg or arm are both mportant when drumming.. Also Name any drummer that has had his own BIG HIT...?



Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 04.14.09 @ 16:51pm


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Other than Ringo and that is not a drum hit... Sandy was the first.. it was a drum solo hit.. BTWAVE
he was the first rock drummer to have his own hit.. and a drum solo hit on top not many drum solo hits in rock ! funny and odd as it may be.. and less a leg WOW ..!!

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 04.14.09 @ 16:59pm


Being a drummer allow me to chime in here. Depending on your style of play, a one legged drummer can achieve much more than a one armed drummer can. If you don't count the high hat or double bass the left foot of a right handed drummer does nothing. Don't get me wrong, the high hat is important, but if you leave it closed a one legged drummer can do anything a two handed drummer can, more or less.

Now about a one armed drummer. You are very limited to what you can do as a one armed drummer. You basically become a beat drummer and much less of a roll type drummer.

That being said Rick Allen was a very average drummer before he lost his arm so it was not difficult to maintain that style when he did lose it. It was an incredible undertaking for him to re-teach himself to play his new kit with one arm, I won't take that from him but can you imagine Neil Peart or Keith Moon or Carl Palmer or John Bonham and so on losing an arm, it would be over for them to play the drums at any level even close to what they could do before.

So giving Def Leppard any kind of props for keeping him is no reason to induct them. I don't even understand why that is a topic of discussion. And there's another one of those over the top statement's "Def Leppards studio albums are better than everyone else's best of albums". Okay we get it, you are a big fan, that's great but that statement is a bit much.

"You take a mortal man and put him in control, watch him become a god, watch peoples heads aroll"
Megadeth

SpaceTrucker

Posted by SpaceTrucker on Tuesday, 04.14.09 @ 21:52pm


Well said Spacetrucker. having a one-armed drummer is not a free pass into the movie theater, much less a Hall of Fame. As far as Rick Allen's drumming being nothing but average, I will say that he was only in his early 20's when he had the accident. Drummers get better and he was getting much better. You can here it from the first DL album to Pyromania.

If D.L. is to be enshrined, it will be on the basis of their influence on the 80's scene and their recordings prior to the death of Steve Clark. And it doesn't matter whether you liked the 80's Hard Rock scene, influence is still influence.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 04.15.09 @ 05:37am


but can you imagine Neil Peart or Keith Moon or Carl Palmer or John Bonham and so on losing an arm, it would be over for them to play the drums at any level even close to what they could do before.Posted by SpaceTrucker on Tuesday, 04.14.09 @ 21:52pm


Well Sandy lost his right leg.. Can you imagine the above with out 2 legs LOL Sandy is known for his drum solos less the leg.... He can do with one foot/leg that most need 3...I give them both credit...

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 04.15.09 @ 05:42am


mrxyz - first off Sandy's biggest hit was in 1959 with "Teen Beat"; he also charted with a couple of other songs but this was also before his 1973 Motorcycle accident.

Second, as ST states, losing a leg does not hinder you from playing drums as losing an arm will. I could be wrong on this, but Sandy never played a Double Base Drum Kit, so the only thing that was affected was his use of the high hat.

Either way, props to both musicians.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 04.15.09 @ 08:17am


mrxyz - first off Sandy's biggest hit was in 1959 with "Teen Beat"; he also charted with a couple of other songs but this was also before his 1973 Motorcycle accident.

Second, as ST states, losing a leg does not hinder you from playing drums as losing an arm will. I could be wrong on this, but Sandy never played a Double Base Drum Kit, so the only thing that was affected was his use of the high hat.

Either way, props to both musicians.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 04.15.09 @ 08:17am



He lost his leg in 1963 you use your right foot/leg on the kick drum... most of your drumming is used with the kick and snare.. the balance is fills or accents...
many of the HOT rock drummes are double bass/kick...
He was still hitting on the charts well into the mid late 60's and I saw him live in 66 he was smokin and rockin hard .. Like I said he was the first rock drummer under his name to have a hit and there were no vocals! .Not may rock drum solo hits.. that are just instrumentals other than WIPE OUT and Sandys stuff..LOL

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 04.15.09 @ 12:11pm


mrxyz - first off Sandy's biggest hit was in 1959 with "Teen Beat"; he also charted with a couple of other songs but this was also before his 1973 Motorcycle accident.

Second, as ST states, losing a leg does not hinder you from playing drums as losing an arm will. I could be wrong on this, but Sandy never played a Double Base Drum Kit, so the only thing that was affected was his use of the high hat.

Either way, props to both musicians.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 04.15.09 @ 08:17am



He lost his leg in 1963 you use your right foot/leg on the kick drum... most of your drumming is used with the kick and snare.. the balance is fills or accents...
many of the HOT rock drummes are double bass/kick...
He was still hitting on the charts well into the mid late 60's and I saw him live in 66 he was smokin and rockin hard .. Like I said he was the first rock drummer under his name to have a hit and there were no vocals! .Not may rock drum solo hits.. that are just instrumentals other than WIPE OUT and Sandys stuff..LOL

BTWAVE

Kick right foot snare left hand if you are right side person LOL



Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 04.15.09 @ 12:20pm


You guys need to stop bitching...shit. There are so many different opinions on who is the best band ever and who had "talent". How can you say one band sucks and one is the best? You can't because it is a metter of OPINION. But grunge def did not save rock and roll....I always though it killed rock and roll. 80's rock that was actaully enjoyable to listen to vs. 90's depressing, grunge music...I think the winner is obvious.

And putting Def Leppard in the same sentence is total bullshit. They were not "hair metal" like Warrant and Poison. If Def Leppard is hair metal just because the had long hair, then so is Led Zeppelin'.

Posted by Gage on Thursday, 04.30.09 @ 08:10am


Agreed, Def Lepppard were never a hair metal, but like Van Halen, they were one of the first pop-metal bands. There is a difference. I also agree that Def Leppard should not just be inducted because of Rick Allen. Instead they should be inducted for being one of the most important, rock acts of the 1980s. They start out as one of the last major bands of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, also known as the NWOBHM, and were one of the few who translated really well into getting huge, top 40 hits in America. They sold roughly 35 million albums in the U.S alone, about 65 million worldwide, and still get radio play. Truly an injustice that the Hall of Shame has denied this band thier place like so many others.

Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 04.30.09 @ 13:28pm


"Truly an injustice that the Hall of Shame has denied this band thier place like so many others."

No it's not

Posted by Reveinstein on Thursday, 04.30.09 @ 13:34pm


Oh, come on Reveinstein. If you actually don't think the Hall of Shame fails to reconize certain band because of thier bias opinion , then you are an idiot. This Hall clearly only reconizes whom they feel is "cool", not caring about what fans want or if the band has left an important mark on rock music or if the bands/people they induct are actual rock artists. It is essentially an elitist, dictatorship. It has all the same qualities and... I bascially had this same speech on the Madonna page, so I don't need to go on and on. Bottom line, in the immortal lines of The Sex Pistols the hall is a "piss stain" on rock music.

Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 04.30.09 @ 13:50pm


Reveinstein..do you have some kind of a hobby do come on this site, copy and paste someone's comment, and then write "no its not?"

Posted by Keebord on Thursday, 04.30.09 @ 14:23pm


Just realized this was my first time commenting on Def Leppard, so I'll list some songs I like:

Animal
Hysteria
Bringing on the Heartbreak
Let It Go
Photograph

Posted by Keebord on Thursday, 04.30.09 @ 14:26pm


"Bottom line, in the immortal lines of The Sex Pistols the hall is a "piss stain" on rock music."

No it's not

The Pistols were a bunch of talentless jerk offs with no charisma or good music

Posted by Reveinstein on Thursday, 04.30.09 @ 15:07pm


I'm not a Sex Pistols fan and really don't enjoy any of thier music myself, but they were right about the hall of shame. And Reveinstein, like Keebord said, everytime you post a comment are you just going to quote me and put no you're wrong or something like that at the end of every single one.

Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 04.30.09 @ 17:46pm


Listen I think that Def belongs in the hall but No metal band should be getting in as long as they keep snubing Judas priest. For God's sake they have been making amazing heavy metal since the early 70's. The voters don't like them because most of their carrer in the 70's was not mainstream and in the 80's when they got mainstream with British Steel they didn't kiss MTV's a** by making crappy videos so they would get cheap advertisment they just kept putting out kick a** metal and aren't appreciated for it by the voters.

Posted by Bob on Monday, 06.15.09 @ 20:45pm


I feel like making a favorite list:

Disclaimer: I use the term Hair Bands as only a way of clearly defining exactly which era (80-89) I am not listing any Metal Bands (Priest, Maiden, Motorhead) Too me, there was a distinct difference in the music.

Top Hard Rock/Hair Bands

Def Leppard
Guns And Roses
Tesla
Queensryche
Motley Crue
Dokken
Ratt
Enuff z' nuff
LA Guns
Saigon Kick/Kix (Tie)

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 05:57am


I screwed up my own list - forgot Cinderella

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 07:03am


Daemon, I think it's fair to say, by your list of "hair bands," that you don't understand metal.

"Hair band" was a derogatory term for bands – mostly (but not all) from LA - who were all about the image, and not at all about the music. Def Lep, even though they're from England, certainly qualify. Big hair, makeup, cornball songs about chickz & carz, glossy, sugar-coated production. Yep. They qualify. I would offer a blanket condemnation of this entire subgenre and disqualify all of them from ever being considered for The Hall. They were, and sadly still are, a blight on music. Bon Joke, Poison, Winger, Slaughter, Motley etc. are all examples of this form, but you also included several bands that you shouldn’t have included.

Some bands, i.e. Maiden/Priest/Dio/Saxon/etc. may have had long hair and ugly clothes, but were all about the music. The song structures were more sophisticated, the themes were deeper. These aren’t hair bands.

Thrash bands were the ones who coined the phrase Hair Bands in the first place, as a way to differentiate themselves from these other bands and put them down at the same time. The Big 4, of course, are Metallica/Megadeth/Anthrax/Slayer.

Some bands may have embraced that image, but had been around long before the term ever got coined. I’m thinking about Van Halen, Alice Cooper, Scorpions, Kiss and Aerosmith.

The trick is, and this is where you totally don’t get it, there were a handful of bands who got lumped in where they didn’t belong simply for marketing reasons. Remember – in 1987 – “rock” was so passé that the word itself wasn’t even used. You were either “top 40” or “metal,” (or occasionally punk). Record stores (remember them?) didn’t have a “rock” section. Record labels didn’t sell “rock” records. So if you were a straight-up rock band, you needed to be lumped in with something else in order to get marketed. A LOT of the bands you’re dismissing as Hair Bands fall into this category. Faith No More, Queensryche, Tesla, Skid Row, The Black Crowes, The Cult – they all got lumped in because there wasn’t a convenient category for them at the time. Amazing as it seems now, The Black Crowes first airplay was on MTV Headbangers Ball of all things! Listen to the songs, and it ought to be self-evident. The music itself is the great differentiator.

Then we get to Guns N Roses. On the surface, you had guys wearing silly bandanas and stupid hats, with dumb names like Izzy and Duff and Axl. Speaking of, he had the full-on hair-band look in the first video. So it’s easy to lump them in. And the songs certainly greasy and dirty, so at first listen, again, it sounded like just another hair-band. It’s only when you dig deeper that you see they had a level of musicianship and quality that the hair-bands lack. So they’re either the one hair band that was any good, or they’re not a hair band, and defy category. I’m still not sure which is true.

Since this thread is allegedly about Def Leppard, I’ll bring it back to them and conclude what turned out to be a much longer then intended post by saying simply that the music world would be a much better place if Def Lep never existed.

Posted by MetalUpYerAzz! on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 07:32am


Thank you so much for your diatribe. Let me just make a few points regarding your opinion on the issue. Did you even read my f'n comment? Look at the sentense that follows the word disclaimer. I used the terminology "Hair Bands" in this comment as to differentiate how the scene in the late 80's was labeled. Do you see the words "Distinct difference" in my previous comment?

Being a major fan of Tesla, Queensryche, Skid Row, and several others that you mentioned, I know damn well that they were not hair bands. I have been argueing that point on this site for quite some time. In fact, I hate the term "Hair Bands" to begin with.

As for your opinion of Def Leppard, well that is all it is, an opinion! And as with all opinions, as Tesla would say, "Some are good and some should be put where the sun don't shine".

And as far as me not knowing what Metal is; considering the fact that I am now 50 and have been into Rock since I first saw the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show in February, 1964 and caused my poor mother to run to church whenever I blasted the Black Sabbath, Paranoid and Master of Reality lp's when they were first released, I think I have a clue what Metal is. I just don't live and die by it like some do.

FYI - that would have been on vinyl.

By the way, thanks for mentioning Skid Row - how the f'k did I forget them?

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 08:34am


You can't put Guns N' Roses, Enuff Z' Enuff, Queensryche, Tesla, and Def Leppard on a hair metal list!

Guns N' Roses were too heavy and not that pretty to be hair metal, Enuff Z' Enuff's musically have more in common with Cheap Trick with makeup, Queensryche are progressive-metal, Tesla had lots of blues influence and didn't use all that much hair spray, and Def Leppard are NWoBHM.

Here's some of my favorites that really count as hair metal in no particular order:
Quiet Riot
Twisted Sister
Ratt
Motley Crue
Whitesnake(Note that in the '70s they were a blues-boogie rock type band but in the '80s Coverdale changed thier style)

Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 08:40am


And only Skid Row's first album counts as hair metal. After that they got much heavier.

Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 08:42am


For the record - the list I created was not a list on "Hair Bands" or "Metal". Although, to much of the masses, they have been lumped into that category.

The commonality in my list has more to do with song structure; melody, harmony, etc.
Here is a question for all - WTF is Hair Metal? I know why the term exists - as Dudeman states, it was a way of defining the LA scene. But is there any specific link in the music itself. LA Guns sounds nothing like Whitesnake, Bon Jovi, etc. So musically, they should not be part of the same genre.

If you want to see and hear the original hair band, go pick-up "Angel".

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 09:10am


Hair metal is basically a general term for pop-metal bands that wore a large amount of makeup and/or female clothes. Originating in LA, but not all the hair metal bands were from LA.

Bon Jovi is not even metal and never will be metal. They have more in common with arena rock like Foreigner, Journey, and those type bands in my opinion.

Actually Quiet Riot were the original hair metal band if I'm right. They started out in 1973 predating Angel. Albeit Angel released an album two years before them, Quiet Riot came first.

Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 09:26am


You have the years correct, but I think Angel comes first based on the fact that they released an album before QR and I don't believe QR was attempting to establish an image as unique as Angel. Angel of course being marketed as the polar opposites of KISS.

I guess the first hair band was the Beatles.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 12:13pm


Quiet Riot formed first, so as far as I'm concerned they are the first hair metal band. They did have an image in the '70s too. If you look at the cover of Quiet Riot's first two albums(sadly they were only released in Japan) or thier complilation The Randy Rhoads Years(if your a fan of Randy it's a must) they are wearing bright colorful clothes.

"I guess the first hair band was the Beatles"

Hilarious.

Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 12:57pm


Dudeman - I guess the whole point of this is that the term Hair Band is just ridiculous. It has absolutely nothing to do with the music itself.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 13:11pm


Also, lets not forget that Angel had some border-line progressive tendecies in thier music too.

And since Def Leppard are part of the NWoBHM, I made a small list of the precursors to the rise of the NWoBHM:
1. Budgie(formed 1967)
2. Judas Priest(formed 1969)
3. UFO(formed 1969, but early in thier career they were a space rock band not metal)

Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 13:12pm


Maybe "Hair Band" is a ridiculous term made famous by the idiots behind MTV, but sadly it will still have to be used to describe a select group of bands that made the term popular.

Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 13:16pm


You are absolutely correct DM.

But for the record and one more time: Def Leppard, Tesla, Enuff z'nuff, Queensryche, Skid Row, GnR, The Cult and several others are not "Hair Bands".

And on this D.L. page; I proclaim - put the NY Dolls into the Hall.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 13:46pm


put the NY Dolls into the Hall.



Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 06.23.09 @ 13:46pm

I'm not a Dolls fan but I wouldn't have much of a problem with this

Posted by Keebord on Wednesday, 07.8.09 @ 18:56pm


Rock & Roll Jeopardy
Subject; If They Collaborated

The combo of Def Leppard and Elvis Presley lead to this massive smash hit:

What is "Bringin on the Heartbreak Hotel?"

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 07.23.09 @ 20:00pm


Def Leppard one of the best hair metal bands.\... if not the best. Def Leppard. Def is Def up there with Motley, and Aerosmith (80's era)

Posted by Greggg on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 12:03pm


Def Leppard are NWoBHM not hair metal!

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 12:29pm


Dude Man... I'm running on no sleep right now... NWoBHM? New Wave of Big Hair Metal?

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 12:42pm


Close Dude Man, but NWoBHM actually stands for New Wave of British Heavy Metal. Bands such as Def Leppard, Judas Priest, and Iron Maiden all fall into this category.

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 12:57pm


The New Wave of British Heavy Metal or NWoBHM for short was a movement in the late '70s/early '80s. After what I suppose can be called the first wave of British metal(Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, etc.), heavy metal was being overshadowed by punk bands. It wasn't until the NWoBHM that the genre began to pick up again in the U.K. It was pushed by a club called The Bandwagon and a magazine that I believe was called Sounds.

The music of the NWoBHM usually lacked the blues roots of the genre and some bands even had punk influences(Motorhead, early Iron Maiden). Def Leppard were one of the few acts to break through in America because they were one of the poppier of the bunch.

Go to the Iron Maiden page for more info. I think I posted a documentary on it thier.

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 13:06pm


Steve Z, Philip said it stands for New Wave of Big Hair Metal not me.

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 13:08pm


Ah jeez, my mistake. I looked at the wrong name.

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 13:11pm


I would also recommend Budgie for anyone looking up the NWoBHM. Even though they kind of predate it, they were one of the major influences of the movement.

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 13:13pm


No problem Steve.

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 13:14pm


I just want to say this one last time that Def Leppard is NOT hair metal. They are a NWoBHM act.

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 13:29pm


Def Leppard sucks balls, stupid hair metal fag crap for lowlife teenagers with no freinds except mtv and little metal bands and hot chickd poster laters

Posted by i'm so cool on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 13:34pm


I'd say DL evolved into it. To me, Hysteria and Adrenalize are not quite NWoBHM like Maiden and Priest were.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 13:35pm


Agreed - D.L. started as part of the NWoBHM, but with the release of Hysteria, emerged as just a great Rock and Roll band who had the chops to do whatever they wanted. Sadly, the death of Steve Clark ripped the soul out of this band.

And everyone keeps stating and which I will concur for the 100th time, Def Leppard is not and never was a "Hair Band".

Hey - I'm so cool - it seems you know a lot about sucking balls and taking it up the arse.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 14:17pm


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Got to have me a woman
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Try your luck, don't be a cluck, disco
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All right
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Posted by Mr. T on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 16:12pm


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Got to have me a woman
Disco, disco duck
Oh, get down, mama
Try your luck, don't be a cluck, disco
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All right
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Posted by Mr. T on Sunday, 08.2.09 @ 16:15pm


They're not a slam dunk by any means, but I think they should be inducted. No they're not really innovative, and T.Rex, Deep Purple, Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and Slade or Mott or Sweet should go in first, but look at the formula they used in the 80's. Loud but catchy riffing, big choruses, clean production, and lots of hooks. Suddenly, lots of bands started to do that, and they helped get hard rock a spot on MTV, and this is why Pyromania is considered by many to be the beginning of pop-metal. As I said, their cause is kind of shaky, but their impact on the 80's is undeniable, and they should be inducted.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 02.6.10 @ 17:01pm


I always thought Def Lep had a unique sound, kind of Sweet or Queen meets ACDC, they definitely took big choruses to another level

Posted by Ken on Monday, 02.8.10 @ 20:22pm


Hi All I’m a Music Fan and a student of Music. First of all Music is Music. Each band Artist Era & Genre had there Fair share of the mainstream light and success. The sound Tone Pitch dynamics rhythm melody texture harmony and all music elements will have a different appeal to different people.
Music has been Recycled for Centuries from the great works of Great Classical Composers like Bach Mozart Beethoven it influenced millions of people of their era.
Same can be applied to The Beatles Led Zeppelin Michael Jackson Elvis Run DMC or Beyonce.

What I am saying is Music is simply Music. Sounds pitch’s or Noise arranged to make sense. Grunge Or Metal they are both are the same
Musically and basically have the same blueprint as most of all Modern music of today.
Creativity and uniqueness of Music arranged or composed is what we should judge on.
Influence is evident to any Artists and Bands who are successful. Who usually become influential to others. Def Leppard In my opinion are both Creative and unique there music is arrangement is basically pop tunes recycled but have a different edge musically to all that exist in there Era of success. By closely listening to there early work there music is fairly well calculated with the amount of different elements and different music genres infused with there Hard Rock/Metal sound. Is very amazing. Same can be said to Nirvana or Michael Jackson. Other bands of D.L’s Era have closely imitated the Def leppard sound. Therefore some label Def Leppard to a wrong crowed Genre or music.
Musical arrangement of the band is simple but effective and efficient. Simple but rich in presences and tone color. Vocally there harmony is almost perfect in as sense. The great use and innovation of the multi track is evident in there creativity and sound power.
There tone color of the guitars are very unique yet rich (RIP Steve Clark Riff Master).
If any band deserves to get in its Def Leppard. Forget about the Lyrics WORDS of there music pay close attention to the music and the LESS to the success of the music. Perceptions of great music can be illusioned by the success of the music itself. So can be said to Mozart’s classic Don Giovanni. Peace Rock On \m/.

Posted by Steven on Monday, 03.15.10 @ 22:16pm


Hi Steven. Please stick around. You are right, Def Lep had the formula of big choruses, loud but catchy riffs and hooks, and lots of bands followed that formula to their own success. They also got hard rock going on MTV, as far as I know. They did bring harmony into pop-metal, that's true. It is true that some people view massive success as a bad thing, because they feel you have to compromise your integrity, and thus they forget about the music itself. I feel they do deserve induction, but to me there are many who deserve it first. Sorry, they are a good band, but that's just how I see it. Peace.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 03.16.10 @ 19:57pm


Oh shit I was in a rush when I typed that up... Gee so many mistakes anyway I aint an English teacher. I’m a Music fan ha-ha what do I know English is my 3rd language anyway.
I speak four different languages.

Yeah I do agree those other great bands you mentioned should get inducted first. But really I don’t care as long as they all (Great Rock Bands & Artist) get in. I’m not a big fan of Rap/hip hop music and I think they should have there own hall of fame... Live the R&RHOF for only the true rockers. Any band or Artist that play a real instrument especially the guitar should be first priority. Not MC’S there Drum machines and turn tables.

When I heard that Run DMC got inducted I got sick. Truly the true rockers are still waiting.

Posted by Steven on Saturday, 03.20.10 @ 13:51pm


I'll take the hip-hop/rap artists that were original and the ones that contributed to rock getting in. With that in mind, yes to Afrika Bambitta, Sugarhill Gang (two of the first), yes to the Beastie Boys (played their own instruments, and helped get white people into hip-hop), yes to Public Enemy (helped create rap-metal with Anthrax), yes to N.W.A. (godfathers of gangster rap and let's face it, they and PE have much more of the rock 'n' roll spirit than some of the acts people clamor for, i.e. Journey, Boston, Foreigner; nothing against them, just not important in any way, and not edgy or rebellious.) No to the rest until they do something original or contribute to rock. With that said, my snubs in the exclusively "Rock" world:

-Def Leppard
-Motley Crue
-Alice Cooper
-KISS
-Thin Lizzy
-Slayer
-New York Dolls
-Anthrax
-Sonic Youth
-Replacements
-Husker Du (barely listened to any of the three, but big players in alternative)
-The Smiths
-Joy Division
-New Order
-Judas Priest
-Diamond Head
-Hawkwind
-Venom
-Motorhead
-T.Rex
-Moody Blues (not really listened to them, but a no-brainer)
-King Crimson (see Moody Blues)
-Ozzy
-Emerson, Lake & Palmer
-Rush
-Yes
-Sweet (debatable, but an influence on Def Lep)
-Slade (see Sweet)
-Mott the Hoople (see Sweet, and Queen opened for them)
-MC5

If I remember anymore I'll let you know.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 03.21.10 @ 20:33pm


Instantly remembered The Runaways and Stevie Ray Vaughan :)

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 03.21.10 @ 20:34pm


Jerry Cantrell is a huge early Lep fan, Dave Mustaine is a big fan, System of a Down are Lep fans, to John Mayer, to Creed, to All-American Rejects, to Fuel, to Faith Hill, to Mariah Carey, to My Chemical Romance etc..) - Ken

We had a good conversation briefly so I hate to contradict you. I am a fan of Jerry Cantrell, Dave Mustaine and SOAD, but being a fan and being influenced are different things (though Lars Ulrich is a huge Lep fan; ditto for David Coverdale and Taylor Swift.) Jerry plays metal, hard rock and/or alternative-metal (AIC is difficult to define), and I know nothing about AIC being influenced by Def Lep, and I can't hear any influence in them. Mustaine sounds completely different from Def Lep, as do John Mayer, Faith Hill, Mariah Carey and Creed, and I know nothing about any of these artists being influenced by DL (and I've seen and read plenty of interviews with Mustaine, and he's never mentioned DL.) I haven't listened to MCR, but All-Music Guide calls them "emo-punk" and "goth", so it's unlikely they were influenced by DL. It says they were influenced by Bon Jovi but not DL. I know nothing about All-American Rejects.

"RIGHT ON JUSTIN -I could'nt have said it any better-down with these artsy-fartsy chablis drinking abstract art loving lonely wimpy whiny creeps who are really just jealous of metal bands and hid behind thier psuedo-intellectualism and their many shortcomings to put down hard-working blue collar rock and roll-they are nothing but pathetic lonely arrogant upper class snobs-they are everything that rock and roll stands up against!!" Some idiot snob accusing others of being snobs

First of all, I haven't had much interest in art since middle school (unless you count art-rock.) Second, WTF's chablis? Third, if you're going to call someone "lonely", "arrogant", "pathetic", "whiny", "creep" and "whimpy" you'd best be able to back it up. Fourth, I'm none of the above, except I can be arrogant. Fifth, I hope you are blue-collar (I am) to be touting the blue-collar ethics. Sixth, I struggled down the stretch to graduate, so I wouldn't call myself "pseudo-intellectual". Seventh, I like alternative and metal; in fact, the two can mesh together rather well. Eighth, I'm middle class. Ninth, I think all legendary rockers have been arrogant at some point. Tenth, your post contained nothing significant. You, sir, are obviously nothing but a load your mother forgot to swallow. Go away.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 04.18.10 @ 18:43pm


"Influential music is critics garbage. The reason why the hall uses it as a factor, is so sucky bands that the critics love and the public doesn't can get in. Sorry for the ran't. This band has been eligible for at least three years and hasn't gotten in. What a joke. The were the biggest band of their time. Yes they are one of the greatest bands of alltime. So why the wait so sucky alterative rockers can get in?" - Mike Cox

Influential music sucks? I agree, Black Sabbath, The Who, R.E.M. Metallica, Van Halen, The Clash and Pink Floyd are bloody awful bands, aren't they? Okay, sarcasm over. If you're truly stupid enough to believe that statement I pity you. Not to mention you couldn't get through that post without several spelling and grammatical errors? And care to explain who aside from Patti Smith you're talking about? R.E.M. were popular for a while, so were Blondie and the Talking Heads, Joy Division should be in but aren't, Stone Roses will have to fight like hell to get in... any other ridiculous statements to make? I could use a laugh.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 05.16.10 @ 14:44pm


Influential in the eyes of a critic usually doesn't mean popular. They seem to try to find obscure half-assed bands that nobody cares about. Then they go out of the way to hype them up.

It may make you laugh but Patti Smith, Talking Heads, Joy Division, and the Stone Roses all suck. Get a clue, get a life, go suck Williams balls. I'm really surprised you found your way here. What happened? You couldn't tune into Lifetime? For a person who claims to know so much about grammatical errors your dumbass should know not to start a sentence with the word AND.

Posted by mike on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 11:31am


"Influential in the eyes of a critic usually doesn't mean popular. They seem to try to find obscure half-assed bands that nobody cares about. Then they go out of the way to hype them up."

Talking Heads had several hits, you dumbass. I should get a clue? "Mike Cox" said: "Influential music is critics garbage." Which is of course a stupid comment. The Beatles, Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, Prince, The Clash, Aerosmith... Just a few names who were influential and popular. Loved by critics and the public. Effectively, he was saying anyone who is very influential sucks.

"It may make you laugh but Patti Smith, Talking Heads, Joy Division, and the Stone Roses all suck."

I actually don't care that much about Patti Smith.

"Get a clue, get a life, go suck Williams balls."

Before you get a clue and a life (because you clearly are lacking in both more than I am), maybe you should get some therapy to cure that homosexual fixation you have.

"I'm really surprised you found your way here. What happened? You couldn't tune into Lifetime?"

What a waste of time that was. You're just pissed because someone dares to disagree with you. Suck it up. You won't gain any respect if you're that thin-skinned.

"For a person who claims to know so much about grammatical errors your dumbass should know not to start a sentence with the word AND."

Another useless point. One minor mistake, that's all. I actually LIKE Def Leppard (scroll up and read that), and I could accept their induction, but quit being bitter about the fact that they're not first in line. You won't gain any respect around here if you can't do anything but throw around insults.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 20:20pm


One good song "Rocket"

Posted by Anna-Lee on Thursday, 07.15.10 @ 07:48am


That's pretty hard, Anna-Lee. What about 'Photograph' or 'Rock of Ages' or 'Pour Some Sugar'?

Do you think they stink?

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 07.15.10 @ 10:52am


I've always liked "Animal" but I can understand why someone wouldn't

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 07.15.10 @ 13:18pm


I'll give three more good songs:

Bringin On the Heartbreak
Let It Go
Foolin

Posted by Doug on Thursday, 07.15.10 @ 17:46pm


I like Paul and Tahvo's suggestions, and Doug picked out at least two more good songs. Let me add:

"Too Late For Love", "Armaggedon It", "Women", "High And Dry". Plus, "Rocket" isn't a good song, it's a great song.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 07.15.10 @ 21:07pm


Induct them!

Posted by James on Wednesday, 07.21.10 @ 17:28pm


this ones a toss up. i dont see their influence though, gonna say no

Posted by quota on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 10:49am


I'm a big Def Leppard fan, well fan of High-N-Dry, Pyromania, Hysteria and Slang. However I do not believe Def Leppard should be in hall of fame. Yes they sold a lot of records, but there wasn't anything artistic about them at all. It was purely commercial. Also they put out a ton of crap in the last 15-20 yrs. to effectively destroy any legacy they had from the 80's. So, no to DL in the HOF.

Posted by TheTruth on Sunday, 08.22.10 @ 04:02am


I disagree about Def Leppard, they pretty much made pop metal an art, big layered choruses, melodies, hooks...

put on Hysteria for instance and listen to all the various layered guitar parts and choral parts, I think this is certainly as "artistic" and innovative in its wall of sound quality. They had a lot of immitators in the 80's who didn't do it nearly as well

Posted by Ken on Sunday, 08.22.10 @ 05:46am


I've been going back and forth on this one, but right now I agree with Ken.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 08.23.10 @ 19:24pm


I find it ironic that in 3 years Bon Jovi and Guns N' Roses, who don't meet the hall requirements of influence and innovation, will be in while Def Leppard and Motley Crue, who did the actual influencing, while still be out. (Though DL has a legit claim to being inducted someday)

Posted by Jim on Tuesday, 11.9.10 @ 15:02pm


Yep. I'd consider Motley a bigger snub; more influential and much more badass (Scott Ian considers them the best out of all those bands, as does Lemmy.) I'd stop there as far as that style is concerned.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 11.11.10 @ 05:24am


I think Motley's biggest problem is that critics either hated them or never took them seriously. They are kinda in the same boat as KISS, except theres beem a pretty good critical turnaround on KISS (at least enough to get a nomination) and they have a much larger influence.

I guess if for completions sake, you'd have to include all of the "big 4" of pop metal ( Def Leppard, Motley Crue, GNR and sometimes Bon Jovi), although only Def Lep and Motley have enough credentials to get in without any real debate.

Guns N' Roses made some great music, but people still seem to treat them like its 1987 and they're this great band with alot of potential, apparently forgetting they put out 75% of the UYI's (which has a few good songs), The Spagetti Incident?, and Chinese Democracy. I think Avenged Sevenfold cited them as an influence (per Wikipedia) and Buckcherry bears some stylistic resembalance, but that could just as easily be attributed to Motley Crue, so their influence is rather weak. A case could be made that November Rain was innovative, but there was nothing done there that wasn't done by Bohemian Raphsody IMO.

Its not cool to admit it, but Bon Jovi actually have a better hall case than GNR. The All-American Rejects cited them as an influence, and All-music also mentions My Chemical Romance, Skid Row and Cinderlla. (The last two are somewhat plausible.) They might have at least a decent influence. Jon and Richies acoustic performance at the 89 VMAS also did help start the idea for MTV Unplugged. Add their longevity and they at least have a decent, if toss-up, case for induction. I personally would induct them, but not as early as the hall wants to, and certainly not before Motley, Def Lep, or Journey (whom BJ pretty much ripped off musically and gave a pop metal sheen, they also ripped off Springsteen as well but he's already in.)

Also Sam, nice to see you've finally come to the "dark side" of supporting Chicago lol.

Posted by Jim on Thursday, 11.11.10 @ 11:37am


There has been a huge turn-around on KISS, so I expect them to get in at some point. It'll be easier for them if Bon Jovi and Alice Cooper are both in (I expect both of them to get in on this try.) There hasn't been enough of a turn-around for Motley, so you can probably write them off. The Leps? Uh, maybe, there's still a possibility it'll happen. As for the Skid Row and Cinderella (the latter are better players than BJ, and I don't know if BJ ever topped Long Cold Winter) thing: Jon was friends with Sabo back in high school, so when he put Skid Row together he got them signed (they also rode on the coat-tails of BJ, Motley, Ozzy and Scorpions by being taken along to the Moscow Music Peace Festival in Moscow in August 1989.) Cinderella were actually at that show as well. Jon discovered them performing at a club in Philly in '85. He met them and eventually convinced Mercury (Bon Jovi's label) to sign them. There is kind of a musical similarity between 80's Bon Jovi and early Skid Row, except that Skid Row were heavier, even on the ballads. I haven't actually heard Skid Row cite them as an influence, but it's possible. No real comparison between Cinderella and Bon Jovi musically; Cinderella were definitely heavier, and much bluesier, and their 80's sound had much more to do with the Stones or 70's Aerosmith than Motley Crue or KISS or Def Leppard. If you're into this kind of music then I reccomend a copy of Long Cold Winter; some terrific songs there, and yes that's the album that has "Gyspy Road" and "Don't Know What You Got (Til It's Gone)".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Music_Peace_Festival

"Also Sam, nice to see you've finally come to the "dark side" of supporting Chicago lol."

I figured I was wasting my time arguing about it. Plus their chart success was incredible.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 11.17.10 @ 14:19pm


"what? did you have to sit at lunch all by yourself in high school and scribble Iron Maiden logos on your text book and dream of the day they would get the recognition Def leppard gets" - bquest

1. Record sales: Iron Maiden 85 million, Def Leppard 65 million. The last Def Leppard charted at #5 on Billboard, the last Maiden album charted at #4, and at #1 in the UK. Maiden play more stadiums these days.

2. Iron Maiden have more recognition sometimes. Probably because half the time they get higher in Hard Rock and Metal lists, broke more ground, impacted more bands and were better players.

3. Iron Maiden>Def Leppard

4. Way to try and make yourself look big by using such populist snobbery (yes, I made that term up).

Just imagine how I'd respond to that if I didn't like Def Leppard.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 12.14.10 @ 12:48pm


I see this guy's comments all over the place and it makes me laugh at how incredibly one sided he is. But enough of observing others' comments...

Glam Metal, regardless if anyone calls it "crap" was the epi-center of the 80s and early 90s. You can't avoid that it will get into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, just as long as they pick the right Glam Metal bands. Bands like Motley Crue, who intentionally didn't want to sell out but got stuck in a record deal where they had to. Or Def Leopard who originally appeared on the scene like ACDC but fell into the corporate scandal over Glam Metal and Rock & Roll.

FYI, Winger was not part of the record company control over Rock & Roll. Kip Winger actually thought that he and his brother (I think it was his brother, or his friend, or something) could make a band and make money off of it as if it were a typical career. However, at the time of their arrival to the music scene, most of the 80s was already over and a lot of people were giving up hope on glam metal and rock & roll (mainly because nobody wanted to look at David Lee Roth's groin for 3 hours on MTV) and newer bands who wanted to get into music couldn't do anything. Most of these bands, like Winger, didn't want to transition into the Grunge movement because they believed what they played was better (and that grunge would eventually sell out, like it did).

Posted by Minoru on Thursday, 07.7.11 @ 15:31pm


Not here to challenge anyone regarding the bands that cae out of the NWoBHM scene. IMO, Iron Maiden, Def Leppard and Priest have all had major impacts on the music scene.

As for Lep - whether you like them or not, the one fact that remains is they changed the landscape of the 80's pretty much all on their own. The High and Dry album was the start of the cross-over to bring new Hard Rock back to the radio stations. Pyromania alone changed the landscape of MTV. Photograph, both song and video allowed The Scorpions, Dokken, The Crue, Ratt to dominate both sales and MTV rotation playlist. They took their influences, Mott, T-Rex, AC/DC, etc. and changed it up just enough to cross-over to mainstream. They were never a Hair Metal Band even though there style of writing most likely influenced it. Sadly, the death of Steve Clark killed the soul of the band.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 12.2.11 @ 10:26am


Quit ignoring our guys! Def Leppard DESERVE to be inducted. I'm 39 & I have been a fan for 30yrs. This band has gotten me through so much.

Posted by Mary Ann on Thursday, 05.10.12 @ 20:52pm


For Kit, the arm comment is quite tasteless.

For Nathan Caldwell, I count seven-Elliott,Savage,Allen,Collen,Clark-god rest his soul,Campbell, and Pete Willis. He was part of Pyromania for songwriting and guitars, and was there for the first five years. He should be counted. I wouldn't want another Bob Walsh.

Posted by Mr.Stone on Wednesday, 05.30.12 @ 19:04pm


People who call def leppard "hair metal band" shows how ignorant they are probably as the same label the voters in the HoF that everybody hate so much.
First of all def leppard is not metal their pure hard rock n roll, they never used wigs, make ups or anything like that, their sound was copied for hundreds of bands in the 80's but the copycats never achieved the substance and perfection of hysteria era. They were responsible for the surge of NWOBHM and the popularity of pop metal in the 80's without the success of pyromania the 80's would be full of new wave bands, in other words no pyromania, no bon jovi, no whitesnake 87', no guns n roses (in the hall already), pyromania helped the popularity of rock in the 80's If no pyromania the music would be ful of flock of seaguls and stuff like that, many contemporaries bands has cited def leppard as influence such as soundgarden, foo fighters, corey taylor. These guys has sold over 70 million albums (not records - ALBUMS) like the guy debating maiden has sold more records than leppard yes probably because maiden has a huge compilation of everything but they are not even close as album sales. again this is other topic that shouldn't be discussed. Thing is this band deserves to be recognized not just by this hall of shame club museum but the people in general. God bless these guys for such as perfect music.

Posted by rick on Wednesday, 05.29.13 @ 21:28pm


Def Leppard, having been rocking for 36 years now.
They, are one of the best and most talented hard rock bands ever.
They, have released great albums like hysteria, pyromania, adrenalize, retro active and high : dry.
They , also had awesome songs love bites, pour sugar on me, let's get rocked, animal, 2 steps behind, rock of ages, to late for love, Bring on the heart break, rocket, let it go, switch, when love and hate collide.
Joe Elliot is, a superb frontman, Vivian Campbell a great lead guitarist, phil collen awesome, the late steve clark, was also terrific,
Rick Savage a master on the bass and Rick Allen an incredible drummer.
Def Leppard have also sold more the 70 million albums world wide.
def leppard deserve to be elected to the rock and roll hall of fame!

Posted by ROWAN cAMPBELL on Sunday, 06.30.13 @ 12:37pm


Members of Deep Purple, Def Leppard and Guns N' Roses are forming a supergroup!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.14.13 @ 21:05pm


Def Leppard should be inducted based on the power of Pyromania & Hysteria alone.2 of the best & most popular albums of the 80's.

Their early 80's hits like Photograph & Rock of Ages really opened up avenues for future metal bands to become successful & brought metal to the mainstream.

I'm not a fan of their later poppier material. Seems Def Leppard gets points docked because they happen to be 5 good looking guys.Like Duran Duran. Maybe,if they were uglier & wore scruffy beards they would be in already.

Can't think why Def Leppard isn't in RRHOF. They rank high on album sales,popularity,hits,longevity,etc. Two thumbs up for Def Leppard RRHOF. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 01.28.14 @ 16:44pm


Def Leppard should be in the Hall without a doubt. This Group put loyalty ahead of money by staying together but not performing until their drummer could play again despite losing his left arm in a car accident.

They also dealt with the tragic death of Steve Clark and dealing with the Bellis Palsy issue in the face of Sav Savage.

This group continues to make music and stay one family who are loyal to their many fans and the industry.

Bands that were formed and influenced by Def Leppard are in the Hall but Def Leppard is not. Makes no sense whatsoever.

As King stated: They rank high on album sales, popularity, hits and longevity.

If any group true to Rock should be in the Hall then it is Def Leppard.

Posted by Cameron on Sunday, 02.2.14 @ 17:28pm


With Pyromania and Hysteria both certified Diamond by the RIAA, Def Leppard is one of only five rock bands with two original studio albums selling over 10 million copies each in the US.[12] The others are The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Van Halen.[12] Both Pyromania and Hysteria feature in Rolling Stone's list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time.

The other 4 are in the RRHOF...whats the hold up Wenner?! Get your head outta yur ass and rock rock til u drop!

Posted by mg on Friday, 02.14.14 @ 14:41pm


Def Leppard should be inducted in 2015 RRHOF!!! Their great songs Rock of Ages,Photograph,Hysteria,Armageddon It,Bringing On The Heartbreak, have stood test of time.

I remember 1983 when I first heard & saw Def Leppard sing songs from Pyromania. At 8 years old, they quickly became my FAV group. They have been in my Top 5 FAV groups for over 30 years.

Give Def Leppard credit. Most groups would have quit 20 years ago with all the tragedy but they never quit. You see groups break up all the time from petty squabbles or addictions. Def Leppard continues to make music & preservere.

Pyromania & Hysteria were Diamond smash albums nobody can deny that success.

I think Def Leppard were innovative with the rock choruses & double guitar fire Clark & Collen possessed. I don't think Joe Elliott is Freddie Mercury but he squeezes all the talent out his voice.

Remember KISS picked Def Leppard to tour with in 2014. They could have picked hundreds of bands but they chose Def Leppard. That should carry weight with KISS fans & music fans as well.

Can't see more bands that are as deserving for RRHOF than Def Leppard. Thanks for this forum. King over & out!!! KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 05.24.14 @ 14:39pm


Still confused as to why some cite commercial success as an argument for an act's induction. Def Leppard is similar to Bon Jovi- they may get in one day, but they were never no-brainers for first-year induction or anything close to it.

Posted by JR on Monday, 05.26.14 @ 20:35pm


Hope this is the year Def Leppard gets nominated. I think they have checked off most of the important RRHOF criteria. Everytime I play my Pyromania & Hysteria Cd's I'm still impressed by the songs & their staying power. Def Leppard going strong into their 50's & this KISS tour shows the band can still deliver.

I guess it's like a prisoner standing in front of a parole board. He or she can state all the positive things they did in prison taking college courses, restitution to the victims, repentance & rehabilitation but it is up to the parole board to grant freedom. Similarly, Def Leppard has done all they can do musically over 35+ years .... They now need the RRHOF Committee & voters to give them the right to induction. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 08.15.14 @ 02:32am


Def Leppard is an interesting candidate. First time i heard or saw them was on MTV with Bringing on the Heartache. The drummer only had the Union Jack flag on, the singer had good range and they built momentum going into the chorus. Good song. Around 81-82 rock on the radio started to change. Remember Life is just a Fantasy by Aldo Nova and Turn Me Looseby Loverboy. Rock started going high energy, louder guitars and big anthums. Then Pyromania broke and took over radio and MTV. Great songs and energy, high notes and loud guitars. Every kid had tha. Record blasting from their car stereos that summer. They influenced a hell of alot of 80's bands. But i was ddisappointed with everything after that. Too much synths, too little energy and guitars.

Posted by Rock Authority on Thursday, 08.28.14 @ 22:02pm


This band should never be inducted into such a prestigious organization as the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. First off, they are talentless idiots whose songs were not about substance but music I have named "Getting into as many girls pants songs" Secondly, the focus was always about their image, money and drugs/booze. Like garbage bands such as Bon Jovi there is no place for crappy, girly music such as Def Leppard and Bon Jovi.

Posted by Michele on Sunday, 02.1.15 @ 17:39pm


Def Leppard paved the way for future hard rock and metal acts in 1983 with the powerful album Pyromania. Its success with radio and video hits Photograph, Rock Of Ages, Foolin' etc made stations play this kind of music. Pyromania and Hysteria were both Diamond selling albums. Groups that have these high selling albumsare in RRHOF. Like Duran Duran, the history of 80'susic could not be told without mentioning Def Leppard. Who knows how many great albums Def Leppard could have been made tragedy struck in Rick Allen's accident, death of Steve, and other misfortune. They had to change their sound as Allen learned to use the new drumming machine. They were influential and innovative with the rock choruses and harmonies. RRHOF worthy for sure. What say you music fans? KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 05.15.15 @ 18:46pm


I think Def Leppard has a chance for nomination in 2015. The Def Leppard song catalog is an impressive one. Animal, Hysteria, Photograph, Rocket, and Rock of Ages to name a few. Two Diamond albums Pyromania and Hysteria cements the RRHOF. I think Def Leppard should have been 1st ballot but I won't complain if they are inducted 2018 or whatever. I've heard many bands over the years but the Def Leppard sound always a FAV. It should be a crowded ballot this year and Def Leppard could be squeezed out. Like to see Deep Purple and Duran Duran inducted if no Def Leppard. Simply the best. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 06.13.15 @ 03:38am


Def Leppard should get nominated in 2016 or 2017. I have given up this year because of Deep Purple probable nomination and induction. Could be another nomination for Bon Jovi too. Pyromania and Hysteria should place them over the top. They were popular and Diamond selling CDs. It will be an excellent day when Def Leppard receives a nomination. One of the greatest 80's bands and deserving. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 07.20.15 @ 02:38am


Two diamond albums among all their other bestsellers and still not in the Hall?

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 12.30.15 @ 14:53pm


On Def Leppard: They might receive a surprise nomination this year. My guess Judas Priest & Motorhead next in the pecking order. Pyromania in my Top 5 albums of all time. High-energy songs not a weak track. Foolin', Photograph, Rock of Ages classic songs. Def Leppard returned with Hysteria another Diamond selling album. I prefer Pyromania to Hysteria but both enjoyable. The title track Hysteria always resonated with me. Truly brilliant work. Animal uptempo loved that as well. Def Leppard like Duran Duran continue to make music and tour. They will be inducted sooner rather than later. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 10.9.16 @ 02:54am


They were the only pop-metal band that actually had any major musical talent. Def Leppard deserves the
Rock & Roll Hall of Fame immensely!

Posted by Luke Madigan on Monday, 05.8.17 @ 14:12pm


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