The 2012 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

The 2012 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were announced on September 27th. Our early impressions of the ballot can be found in our Rock Hall News section.

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The 2012 Nominees for the Rock Hall announced on the Rock Hall page

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 06:37am



Overall pretty solid set of nominees. The only ones I'm kinda iffy on are Freddie King and The (Small) Faces.

I hope there are more than 5 inductees this year but it probably isn't gonna happen. I thought they would nominate one of the big 3 hard rock snubs (KISS, Rush or Deep Purple) though.

BEYOND THRILLED FOR THE CURE! Finally!!!

My early 5:
Beastie Boys
GNR
The Cure
Heart
RHCP or Donna Summer

I don't think we'll get an R&B/Disco inductee this year. I think voters will be really torn between Donna, Rufus & Chaka, The Spinners and War. If there is one, I'm hoping the perennial choice Donna Summer finally gets her (and Disco) due.

I hope Joan Jett doesn't syphon off too much votes from Heart though. (Joan is deserving but Heart deserves it more chronologically and in the grander scheme of things).

Posted by rockstar23 on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 06:51am



Once again, no Miracles, no Deep Purple, and no Chicago!!!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 07:42am



The Spinners and Freddie King have been eligible since the RRHOF started inducting. If the Small Faces/Faces get in this year, three more people would join the Clyde McPhatter Club:

Ronnie Wood (The Rolling Stones, 1989)
Kenney Jones (The Who, 1990)
Rod Stewart (solo, 1994)

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 08:00am


This better be the top 5 that get into the HOF because they are the best 5 of the ballot this year:
Donavan
Small Faces
Laura Nyro
Donna Summer
War
FYI: What the hell is rap and newer RnR doing dominating the nominations list once again????

Posted by danny on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 08:18am


Will they still be inducting only 5 acts in 2012?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 08:37am


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees

Kenney Jones wasn't inducted with The Who, according to Wiki.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 08:40am


Wow. Just Wow.

This might be the strangest ballot I've seen in a LONG time.

Thing is, thats not a bad thing, infact, this might be one of the BEST ballots in a long while.

Sure, I'm disappointed the usual suspects have been left out (KISS, Deep Purple, Yes etc.) but I can live with that for another year.

I think a good way to describe this nomination group would be that we were mostly right in terms of what genres would be recognized, but totally wrong in terms of what acts.

They DID give blue-eyed soul a nod, just with the Spinners, not Hall and Oates.

They did give classic rock a nod, just with the Small Faces/Faces rather than the many other bands that could've been chosen.

They did recognize 80s alternative, just with the Cure and not Sonic Youth or the Smiths.

Strong as this class is, I do have a few gripes:

1. Idiotic move of putting 2 raps acts on the ballot again this year. Thrilled to see Beasties, Eric B. and Rakim and LL Cool J getting nods, but its never gonna work out that way. All 3 deserve it, but just concentrate your fire behind the Beasties for a year and see where that takes you.

2. Laura Nyro. Put her in as a non-performer.

3. They seriously haven't inducted Freddie King yet?

4. Rufus with Chaka Khan are a VERY iffy pick to me, mainly because when it comes to Funk music I really don't see them as being a "top priority". I'd much rather see the Commodores get a nomination first, for example.

5. Small Faces/Faces. Yeah Steve Marriott is influential, but all this would end up being is one big pat on the back ceremony for Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood, and they've got more important things to cover than that.

So yeah, great list, just an odd one.

Posted by Jim on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 08:53am


Whoops, meant "Philly Soul" not "Blue-Eyed Soul".

Posted by Jim on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 08:55am


Red Hot Chili Peppers
Beastie Boys
Guns N' Roses
Heart
The Cure

That's a pretty good class right there.

Posted by Frederik on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 09:03am


Perhaps Joan Jett's and Heart's nominations will make the Hall consider Pat Benatar in the future? While never a big critics' favorite (like those two females), her overall body of work is better than Joan Jett's, I'd say.

Posted by JR on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 09:18am


Somebody is going to be so disappointed that Peter Gabriel isn't here. So much for that so called certainty

Posted by George Michael Jackson on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 09:54am


JR--I agree with you on Pat benatar vs. Joan Jett. On Benatar's "Greatest Hits", Jett cites Benatar as an influence.

Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 10:15am


Glen Matlock was the Sex Pistol who was replaced by Sid Vicious in late 1976. When the Sex Pistols reunited in 1996 Matlock stood in for the deceased Vicious.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 10:19am


I went ahead and did the breakdown of acts' number of nominations and when they became eligible- thanks to Future Rock Legends for providing the info on this site. :)

Beastie Boys: Third nomination (second consecutive); eligible since 2007

The Cure: First nomination; eligible since 2003

Donovan: Second nomination (second consecutive); eligible since 1990

Eric B. & Rakim: First nomination; FIRST-YEAR ELIGIBILITY

Guns 'N Roses: First nomination; FIRST-YEAR ELIGIBILITY

Heart: First nomination; eligible since 2001

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts: First nomination; eligible since 2005

Freddie King: First nomination; eligible since 1986 (first year of inductions)

Laura Nyro: Third nomination (third consecutive); eligible since 1992

Red Hot Chili Peppers: Second nomination; eligible since 2009

Rufus with Chaka Khan: First nomination; eligible since 1999

The Small Faces/The Faces: First nomination; eligible since 1991

The Spinners: First nomination; eligible since 1986 (first year of inductions)

Donna Summer: Fourth nomination (third consecutive); eligible since 1999

War: Second nomination; eligible since 1996

Posted by JR on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 10:35am


I think the Runaways should get in before Joan Jett & the Blackhearts. The Runaways were Joan Jett's first band. Other notables that came out of the Runaways were Lita Ford and Michael "Micki" Steele of the Bangles. Also Joan Jett has cited Suzi Quatro as an influence. Suzi Quatro was big in England for years but didn't hit it big in America until the MOR hit "Stumblin' In" hit the top 40 in early '79.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 10:37am


Yes! The Cure! The hall must not be ignoring 80's alternative if they have been nominated.

Not suprised to see Guns N Roses. Out of the rap acts I see Beastie Boys getting in due to name power.

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 10:59am


Remember what happened in 2011? All the inductees were artists from the 50s-60s-70s: Darlene Love, Neil Diamond, Alice Cooper, Leon Russell, Tom Waits, Dr. John. Expect that trend to continue in 2012 with the voters voting for their peers, but with one exception. Remember what happened in 2009? Metallica, an 80s-90s metal act was inducted. Keeping all that in mind, here is my final prediction followed by more reasons why, but I'm only sure on 4 of the 5 inductees:

Thinking like the Rock Hall...

THE 2012 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. The Small Faces / The Faces
02. Heart
03. Guns N' Roses
04. Freddie King
05. War or Donovan or Laura Nyro or The Spinners

MY REASONING:

01. THE SMALL FACES / THE FACES

A lot of star power here! Big names with lots of big name friends who will be voting for them! Steve Marriott will finally be inducted, and Ronnie Wood and Rod Stewart will get second inductions. Hopefully Rod Stewart will attend this time. He missed his first induction in 1994 because an earthquake damaged his house and he had to tend to that.

02. HEART

Heart was interviewed by the Rock Hall this year. Out of all the women nominated this year (Heart Joan Jett, Chaka Khan, Donna Summer, Laura Nyro) Only Heart and Joan Jett are Rock And Roll. Heart came first and they should be inducted first. Plus, Joan Jett wasn't really that big. Also, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts shouldn't be inducted before Tommy James and the Shondells, a band that they have covered numerous times!

03. GUNS N' ROSES

Out of all the 80s-90s all-male Rock acts nominated this year (Guns N' Roses, Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Cure), Guns N' Roses are the biggest, the best, and the most respected by their predecessors. Members of The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Cream, The Yardbirds, Black Sabbath, Queen, The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Elton John, Metallica, and many others will be voting for Guns N' Roses (this year's Metallica). Bon Jovi they are not! The Rock Hall voters will continue to ignore the Beastie Boys and the Red Hot Chili Peppers this year.

04. FREDDIE KING

Legendary Blues-Rock guitarist. Need I say more? All inducted guitarists will be voting for him; B.B. King and Eric Clapton included. He is a shoe-in. Chuck Willis and Joe Tex he is not. Elton John mentioned Freddie King in his induction speech for Leon Russell earlier this year. Leon Russell worked with Freddie King. Leon Russell signed Freddie King to his Shelter Records late in his career.

05. War or Donovan or Laura Nyro or The Spinners

A second induction for Eric Burdon? Two singer/songwriters, and an R&B group. I don't know what will happen here!

A SIDE NOTE:

Three connections to Elton John and Bernie Taupin on the ballot this year:

Heart, Guns N' Roses, The Small Faces/The Faces (Rod Stewart)

Heart are known to be fans of Elton John and Bernie Taupin. They have mentioned it numerous times. Most recently, Ann Wilson's blog on the Rock Hall site. Heart recorded and scored a number one hit in 1985-1986 with the song These Dreams, written by Bernie Taupin and Martin Page.

Guns N' Roses are also known as Elton John and Bernie Taupin fans. Axl Rose gave the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction speech for Elton John in 1994. Elton John and Axl Rose appeared together in concert numerous times in the 90s: Freddie Mercury (Queen) tribute concert and MTV music awards.

Rod Stewart has recorded songs with lyrics by Bernie Taupin. Rod Stewart and Elton John were both inducted in 1994. Alice Cooper and Leon Russell were both inducted in 2011. Maybe we'll see Rod Stewart inducted again in 2012, as well as Heart.

All this is leading me to believe that Bernie Taupin will be inducted in 2012, along with other writers in the non-performers category.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 11:14am



My top five guesses for induction are the same as the top five leading the poll here: Beastie Boys, Cure, Guns 'n Roses, Heart and Red Hot Chili Peppers.

I can't really see The Cure or Guns 'n Roses not getting in when I compare them to the rest of the acts here. They have everything in spades unless there's 60's/early 70's cronyism where a lot of old fogeys will refuse to vote for newer acts, but I just don't see that happening given the fact that none of the other acts from that period are all that major.

Heart can suffer from Bon Jovi-isms. Like Bon Jovi, they were very mainstream and not all that groundbreaking and did their share of cheese. They will also suffer from votes being siphoned away by Joan Jett.

Beastie Boys will obviously have votes taken away by Eric B. and Rakim although the latter will hardly have enough support to get inducted, especially if a bigger hip-hop name without about the same influence on the genre, LL Cool J, failed to be inducted under the same circumstances.

The downfall for Red Hot Chili Peppers is that they weren't really all that innovative and frankly can be compared to Bon Jovi in a lot of ways if you look a little deeper. I feel they weren't inducted their first time around because everyone thought to themselves, "hmm...what did they really do that was all that important?"

However, this will be RHCP's year given the rest of the ballot choices. Rufus & Chaka Khan have absolutely zero chance whatsoever and could only help to take votes away from acts like The Spinners that don't seem likely to pick up much support either. Laura Nyro is in the wrong category again and her recorded material just isn't that well known to the voters or the public in general. Joan Jett did nothing new and had a career that was only marginally successful.

The other two (Donovan, Freddie King) are objectively deserving by anyone's metric and could very well get a slot given the track record for male singer-songwriters recently (Cohen, Waits) and guitar gods (Jeff Beck). They also harken back from the 60s and there's a lot of elderly voters submitting ballots. I'd go for either of these two having a shot at breaking into the top five.

I still think The Miracles will enter in through the Musical Excellence category this year or simply be appended to Smokey's induction.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 12:02pm


Very impressive, although Rufus and Joan Jett seem like filler to me. Also, Joan Jett seems like the obligatory "ok, ok, we like classic rock" act (2011 was the J. Geils Band).

I'LL SAY
Beastie Boys (they like hip hop)
Donna Summer (queen of disco, obligatory soul act)
Freddie King (obligatory non r&B/rock act)
The (Small) Faces (Rod Stewart)
Red Hot Chili Peppers (obligatory modern act)

Posted by Lucario on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 12:15pm


Guns 'N Roses is on the list? How'd that happen? (Please note the sarcasm there!)

But yeah, I like many others, am happy to finally see The Cure on this list. And Heart. And Joan Jett & the Blackhearts. I once met Jett a few years back and it was one of those 'bad meeting a celebrity moments'.

If they were to put in a rap act this year, I believe it would be the Beastie Boys. I would love to see Eric B. & Rakim get in, definitely before LL does. But like I said about GNR, given they were in the Top 50 on Rolling Stone's immortals list, they were already insured a spot. I won't be surprised in December if they're on the 2012 Inductees list. That is, assuming that they'll put the list out by then. Right now I can't narrow it down to 5 but hopefully they'll put a couple more in this year.

My prediction for 2012 Inductees list goes like this: I believe it will be something like last year, which is a majority of the acts who have been nominated for the first time will get in just because they're tired of seeing the same old names pop up on the list. That's just my two cents there.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 12:23pm


THE 2012 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. The Small Faces/The Faces
02. Heart
03. Guns N' Roses
04. Freddie King
05. War or Donovan or Laura Nyro or Donna Summer or The Spinners

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 12:30pm


The Rock Hall has Guns N' Roses spelled Guns 'N Roses.

So which is it? Guns 'N Roses or Guns N' Roses

Who needs fixing? It should be fixed on here if needed.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 12:36pm


I can't help but note the irony that very few commenters have said that the Red Hot Chili Peppers will be inducted.

It just goes to show how out of touch the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is. One of the biggest groups of the '90s will likely be ignored in favour of yet another '60s British act or '50s singer.

P.S. I have nothing wrong with those bands getting in. But, that should have been done years ago. It's time for the RRHOF to move on to the '80s and, soon, the '90s, but they're still stuck in the '50s and '60s.

Posted by Frederik on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 13:30pm


Over in the Rock Hall Projected page, we ranked all 98 performers that we inducted that Cleveland has failed to do so, here's where this year's nominees came in at:

3. Beastie Boys
15. The Cure
24. Guns N' Roses
34. Red Hot Chili Peppers
45. Donna Summer
48. Donovan
50. Spinners
57. Heart
75. War
78. Eric B. and Rakim

Inducted As A Non-Performer:

Laura Nyro


Not Inducted:

Freddie King
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Small Faces/Faces

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 13:50pm


Gotta say that I'm pretty pleased with this list of nominees. In my view, the only questionable ones are Chaka Khan, Laura Nyro and War. I think those slots would be better used with names like Rush, Yes, SRV, Peter Gabriel...the usual list of egregious snubs. But this isn't about the snubs today, because this list is quite respectable, overall.

I am SO pleased to see The Cure there. Finally, are they looking deeper into the 80's? Hopefully Joy Division, New Order, Replacements, Cars, Devo, etc. won't be far behind. Hopefully.

I know Freddie King isn't getting a lot of love here, but the guy was really an important blues/rock crossover guitar influence. Clapton and SRV, especially, were greatly influenced by King. I would love to see Freddie King get in.

My predictions:

G n' R
The Cure
Heart
Beastie Boys

The last slot is hard: Joan Jett or Freddie King or Red Hot Chili Peppers

Now, if I were given a ballot, here is who I WOULD vote for (in order of importance, for me):

The Cure
Guns n' Roses
Beastie Boys
Heart
Freddie King

I also really wanted to vote for Donovan, RHCP, Spinners and Small Faces/Faces.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 14:15pm


I really have no idea how this will work out. My gut tells me that this will finally be the year for the 80s and 90s, with the Beasties, The Cure, the Peppers and Guns N' Roses all getting in. But there's that little voice in my head that keeps telling me that most of the voters will more likely go for the artists they were influenced by or admired in their younger days, which could be good news for people like Freddie King, The Small Faces, The Spinners and Chaka Khan.

It will probably be a mixture of those two, so here's my predictions for the class of 2012:

Guns N' Roses, Beastie Boys, The Small Faces, Rufus & Chaka Khan, Freddie King.

Oh yeah, and I predict Sister Rosetta Tharpe and either Mother Maybelle Carter or the entire Carter Family will be inducted as early influences, thanks to the Women Who Rock exhibit.

Posted by The_Claw on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 16:39pm


This lineup just precipitates a big yawn. The only people I really care about here are Donovan (who was just as much a part of the 60s landscape as The Mamas and the Papas & Lovin Spoonful who were inducted ages ago), and The Small Faces. The Faces are a different band, so I think their inclusion is bogus. If you're gonna start combining 2 different bands and induct all those people, then I don't ever want to hear the argument that you can't induct Deep Purple or King Crimson or whoever because they have too many personnel.

The Guns N Roses first year of eligibility nomination symbolizes everything that's wrong with this organization-personal preferences above objective reality. Yeah, they were the moon, the stars and your choice of dessert from 89-91; if you want to induct them in another 4 years- fine, but how many other hard rock/punk bands had to wait for years/decades to be nominated that had a better overall impact and longevity of relevance than Guns N Roses? Alice Cooper - 16 years, The Stooges - 2 years, Jeff Beck - 16 years, Van Halen - 3 years,
Deep Purple - still waiting, Rush - still waiting. Hell, even Aerosmith, Black Sabbath and Metallica had to wait a year to be nominated after they became eligible. I'm supposed to believe that Guns N Roses are more important than Aerosmith, Van Halen, Black Sabbath and Metallica? Somebody at the RRHOF has a hard on for Guns N Roses, and this is why the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame continues to have 0 credibility with so many rock fans.

Posted by classicrocker on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 16:46pm


One thing you need to know before selecting the nominations. 25 years ago, what was the band/artist's discography then...and has just THOSE albums in particular been influential today.

25 years ago from 2012 (1987), the Chilis only had 3 albums in their arsenal, and it's not their breakout album. Seeing as Blood Sugar Sex Magik came out in 1991, I don't think RHCP will make it in until 2016. Maybe their chances will increase next year because of their first mainstream hit "Higher Ground".

Beasties should be in good contention though since License of Ill is more than 25 years ago...however the inclusion of Eric B. and Rakim could cause problems for the Beasties again.

The Cure became mainstream in 1987 so they do have a decent shot at making the hall.

Posted by maplejet on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 17:23pm


Interesting point on The Small Faces and The Faces really being two different bands who happened to have some of the same personnel, classicrocker. Nominating/inducting Small Faces and The Faces together would be akin to putting Joy Division and New Order in as one band vs. two very separate bands.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 17:26pm


"The Guns N Roses first year of eligibility nomination symbolizes everything that's wrong with this organization-personal preferences above objective reality."

I like Guns, but I agree with CR on this one. When one looks at the list of first ballot inductees Guns (should they get in this year) sticks out like a sore thumb when it comes to influence and innovation. Alot of their legacy has proven to be pure hype, and thats a shame. I still have no problems with their induction in general, but it being first ballot bothers me.

Posted by Jim on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 18:04pm


I'll admit to having no clue as to the exact five who will go in out of this group, but I'm willing to take a guess as to at least three out of the five.

Guns N' Roses
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Erik B & Rakim

The logic behnd these three: TELEVISION RATINGS.

In a perfect universe (ratings wise) the Hall is stunned to discover that Axl & Slash have put their differences behind them, & are willing to give it a go again, if only for one night.

Deep down inside, we know this ain't happening.

Hence, the Chili Peppers get the nod. Normally, the Hall would pass the Chili's over & go w/the Beastie Boys. However, having heard it from the rock crowd that they're putting in hip-hop over KISS, Rush, Purple, etc., the last thing the Hall wants to do is have a hip-hop act headlining the telecast. It makes them look the fool even worse. However, the Chilis are an acceptable rock act w/Hall pedigree, & not a hip-hop act. They make the cut.

Since the Chilis are in, this leaves the question of, "do you want the Chilis & the Beasties in together?" While a lot of folks wouldn't mind, I'm willing to bet the Hall would, especially since they've got the headliner locked up. Hence, no need right now for the Beasties. This leaves the door open for Eric B. & Rakim, who will please any hard core hip-hop fans from the past.

I'll say that what they'll want us to see is:

The Chilis - closing the show
Guns N' Roses - or Velvet Revolver + another singer
Eric B. & Rakim - for the hip-hop crowd

+

one older R&B act (I'm hoping War, though I'm not prepared to make a bet on it)

and one female (as yet undetermined)

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 18:33pm


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rilhrS4N_4s/ToGHCACB7GI/AAAAAAAABVo/4_a4y-AYR0A/s1600/Curerockandrollhof.jpg

The Rolling Stone article that left out Summer, Laura Nyro, and War!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 18:33pm


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rilhrS4N_4s/ToGHCACB7GI/AAAAAAAABVo/4_a4y-AYR0A/s1600/Curerockandrollhof.jpg

The Rolling Stone article that left out Donna Summer, Laura Nyro, and War!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 18:36pm


And the spelled Freddie King wrong! They spelled it Freddy!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 18:53pm


Not a big fan of this ballot. Guns & Roses will be inducted. Never liked them, but whatever. The Beastie Boys will also likely be inducted. After that it's a guess. Not sure either the Runaways or Joan Jett & the Blackhearts deserve to be inducted, but the whole Hollywood connection that resulted in the Runaways film has created a lot of momentum. The Cure would be a nice candidate.

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 19:19pm


Well, I have just looked at the 15 finalists for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2012 in the Performers Category. 12 of the 15 have already been inducted in our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. I might expect Joan Jett and/or The Runaways to join in fairly soon. I am not really interested in The Small Faces; indeed I feel peturbed that the Hall of Fame is practically double dipping with getting The (Small) Faces inducted if that includes the Rod Stewart era. The RRHOF has already inducted Rod Stewart; why induct his Faces work again? As for Chaka Khan, I never really paid much attention to it.

So, of the finalists listed, here is whom I believe will be the 5 inductees. Yes, again only 5 inductees.

The Cure
Heart
Guns N' Roses
Donna Summer
Eric B. and Rakim

And now, the bad news. For the 9th consecutive time, I have again been proven wrong by the nominating committee. Peter Gabriel has again not been considered as a finalist. Albeit Genesis has been inducted; yet an induction for Peter Gabriel is needed. One reason why the Revisited/Projected Project is miles better than the real thing is the fact that Peter Gabriel, along with other artists like The Euythmics, Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens), Chic and Depeche Mode have gotten inducted here. And I did not need to be the most vocal in getting many of these artists inducted. Well, with that out of the way, we should now get back to the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project for the Classes of 2027 and beyond. I look forward to it and am ready.

Jann Wenner and Co. do not care about art rock:(,

Lax28

Posted by Lax28 on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 19:40pm


This thing is so over! No need to discuss it any further.

THE 2012 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. The Small Faces/The Faces
02. Heart
03. Guns N' Roses
04. Freddie King
05. War or Donovan or Laura Nyro or Donna Summer or The Spinners

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 20:58pm


NON-PERFORMER CANDIDATES FOR INDUCTION INTO THE ROCK HALL

Bernie Lowe, Tom Dowd, John Simon, Arif Mardin, Phil Ramone, Quincy Jones, Richard Barrett, Robert Blackwell, Bob Crewe, David Porter, Bernie Taupin, David Foster, Jim Steinman, Carole Bayer Sager, Diane Warren

Kal Mann and Dave Appell
Bert Berns and Jerry Ragovoy
Norman Whitfield and Barret Strong
Burt Bacharach and Hal David
Henry Cosby and Sylvia Moy
Thom Bell and Linda Creed
Boudleaux and Felice Bryant
Nick Ashford and Valerie Simpson

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 21:04pm


http://www.billboard.com/#/news/rock-hall-nominees-include-guns-n-roses-1005371372.story

FROM Billboard

Guns N' Roses, Heart, Joan Jett & the Blackhearts and The Cure are among the first-timers on short list of nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's class of 2011, joining returning hopefuls the Beastie Boys, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Donna Summer and others.

Fifteen finalists are on the ballot that's been sent to the Rock Hall's more than 500 voters, who will in turn select five to be inducted into the shrine on April 14, when the 27th annual ceremony returns to Cleveland for the third time. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation will subsequently determine non-performing inductees and recipients of the Award for Musical Excellence (formerly Sidemen).

Other first-time nominees on this year's ballot include the Small Faces/Faces, the Spinners, Rufus with Chaka Khan, Freddie King and rappers Eric B. & Rakim. Donovan, Laura Nyro and War are making return visits to the ballot.

Acts are eligible at least 25 years after their first commercial recording release, meaning 1986 or before for this year's group. This is the first year for Guns 'N Roses and Eric B. & Rakim's eligibility.

Small Faces and Faces keyboardist Ian McLagan told Billboard.com that "it's about bloody time" his bands were nominated but said he felt that grouping the two together was "a bit insulting. If we have to go in as a combo, that's not right. It's a dollar short and many years too late -- but I'll take it." Two of the Faces are already in the Rock Hall: Rod Stewart as a solo artist; and Ron Wood as part of the Rolling Stones. Drummer Kenney Jones was briefly in the Who but was not inducted with them in 1990.

As in 2009, the 2012 ceremony will be open to the public. Individual tickets will go on sale in December, while tables and VIP packages are available now, Information can we found at www.rockhall.com. The Hall of Fame + Museum is planning 10 days of special activities leading up to the ceremony, including the unveiling of a new exhibit and the grand opening of its library and archives.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 21:25pm


Where the hell is Boston? How can the band with what reigned as the top selling debut album of all time for decades, whose songs are still played DAILY on the radio today after 35 years, NOT BE A CANDIDATE?!?!?!

Posted by KB in VA on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 22:17pm




I can't fathom how (or why) they'd lump the Small Faces together with (Rod Stewart and) The Faces. Anyone familiar with the work of both bands understands that the name should have been fully changed when Steve Marriott broke up the SFs and Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood formed the new band with McLagan, Lane and Jones. The record company made them keep part of the name for recognition purposes.

The Faces may have been much more popular back in the day in America, but the Small Faces were the real deal and clearly meet the "influential" criteria whereas the Faces really don't merit a nomination. And why bother going out of the way to give another nod to Stewart and Wood? Makes no sense to me.

Posted by Susie Q on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 22:29pm


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44685430/ns/today-entertainment/

Video of The 2012 Rock Hall Nominees on NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams - Joan Jett and the Blackhearts featured - I Love Rock And Roll. Women making strong showing-Brian Williams

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 22:33pm


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44693588#44693588

Video of The 2012 Rock Hall Nominees on NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams - Joan Jett and the Blackhearts featured - I Love Rock And Roll. Women making strong showing-Brian Williams

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 22:35pm


Well, I picked 5 of the 15. Not bad. And I think I was the only one who actually picked the Spinners, so I'm kind of patting myself on the back for that one.

My reaction to the ballot is on my blog.

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2011/09/initial-thoughts-on-2012-ballot.html

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 22:55pm


Where the hell is Boston? How can the band with what reigned as the top selling debut album of all time for decades, whose songs are still played DAILY on the radio today after 35 years, NOT BE A CANDIDATE?!?!?!

Posted by KB in VA on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 22:17pm

Because that is just one small reason on who gets nominated for the Hall of Fame.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 22:56pm


Philip - Good analysis as always!

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 23:01pm


1. Guns N' Roses (Hard Rock)
GNR Takes votes away from Red Hot Chili Peppers Heart, Joan Jett.
2. Rufus & Chaka Khan (R&B/Funk) look....remember when few people expected Bobby Womack to get inducted and yet he got in, well, the same thing applies to Chaka & Rufus.....just the NAME Chaka Khan will excite senior voters, as well as senior rockers.
3. Eric B & Rakim (Rap) reasoning: with Public Enemy definetly getting nominated next year, and with the reality that The Beastie Boys / LL Cool J will eventually get in, this may the ONLY chance they even get nominated.
4. Small Faces / Faces (British Invasion)
Takes Votes away from Donovan, some voters may feel they may be slighted again, so this is their best chance to be inducted.
5. The Cure (Alternative) They take votes away from Red Hot Chili Peppers (and besides, RHCP will eventually get inducted, just not this year). They also are considered as influential as R.E.M., The Police, U2.....They deserve to be inducted.

(6)Laura Nyro should / will be inducted as a songwriter
(7)Freddie King should / will be inducted as a sideman / influence

As far as The Spinners(maybe next year), War (close, but not yet), and Donna Summer (trust me, she will eventually get in, just not this year) .....it's unfortunate, because they are all well deserving....


(Heart went through a few commercial sell-out pop phases in their career which might hurt their chances....The Runaways should be inducted and NOT the Blackhearts...Sorry Joan Jett.....)

Folks, as much as I'd love to see Chicago, Kiss, Pat Benatar, Boston, Rush.....and all of the personal choices many feel are unfortunately omitted this year......you have to step away from self personal taste at times....the people who are behind the scenes (Yes, are a bit numb in the brain, but the others are already in the RRHOF...it's alot to think about)


With that being said... Where's Stevie Ray Vaughan???

Posted by Jason P. on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 23:42pm


Here's the list of every act that's been nominated but not inducted.


Total: 42 acts

Chic: 6 (2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011) - Eligible since 2002.
Chuck Willis: 6 (1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2011) - Eligible since beginning.

Donna Summer: 4 (2008, 2010, 2011, 2012) - Eligible since 1999.
Joe Tex: 4 (1998, 2006, 2007, 2011) - Eligible since 1990.

Beastie Boys: 3 (2008, 2011, 2012) - Eligible since 2008.
Laura Nyro: 3 (2010, 2011, 2012) - Eligible since 1992.
The J. Geils Band: 3 (2005, 2006, 2011) - Eligible since 1995.
Gram Parsons: 3 (2002, 2004, 2005) - Eligible since 1992
Ben E. King: 3 (1986, 1987, 1988) - Eligible since beginning.

Donovan: 2 (2011, 2012) - Eligible since 1990.
Red Hot Chili Peppers: 2 (2010, 2012) - Eligible since 2010.
War: 2 (2009, 2012) - Eligible since 1996
LL Cool J: 2 (2010, 2011) - Elgible since 2009.
The Chantels: 2 (2002, 2010) - Eligible since beginning.
The "5" Royales: 2 (2002, 2004) - Eligible since beginning.
Lou Reed: 2 (2000, 2001) - Eligible since 1997.
Johnny Ace: 2 (1986, 1987) - Eligible since beginning.
Esther Phillips: 2 (1986, 1987) - Eligible since beginning.
Mary Wells: 2 (1986, 1987) - Eligible since beginning.

The Cure: 1 (2012) - Eligible since 2004.
Eric B. & Rakim: 1 (2012) - Eligible since 2012.
Freddie King: 1 (2012) - Eligible since beginning.
Guns N' Roses: 1 (2012) - Eligible since 2012.
Heart: 1 (2012) - Eligible since 2002.
Joan Jett and The Blackhearts: 1 (2012) - Eligible since 2006.
Rufus with Chaka Khan: 1 (2012) - Eligible since 2000.
The Spinners: 1 (2012) - Eligible since 1992.
The Small Faces/Faces: 1 (2012) - Eligible since 1987.
Bon Jovi: 1 (2011) - Eligible since 2008.
KISS: 1 (2010) - Eligible since 1999.
Afrika Bambaataa: 1 (2008) - Eligible since 2005.
The Sir Douglas Quintet: 1 (2006) - Eligible since 1993.
Cat Stevens: 1 (2006) - Eligible since 1991.
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band: 1 (2006) - Eligible since 1988.
Randy Newman: 1 (2005) - Eligible since 1990.
Conway Twitty: 1 (2005) - Eligible since beginning.
Kraftwerk: 1 (2003) - Eligible since 1996.
MC5: 1 (2003) - Eligible since 1991.
Steve Winwood: 1 (2003) - Eligible since 1996.
New York Dolls: 1 (2001) - Eligible since 1998.
The Dominoes: 1 (1997) - Eligible since beginning.
The Meters: 1 (1997) - Eligible since 1994.

Inducted Via Another Category:

King Curtis: 6 (1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1996) - Inducted as a Sideman in 2000.
Carole King: 1 (1989) - Inducted as a songwriter in 1990.
Wanda Jackson: 2 (2005, 2009) - Inducted as an Early Influence in 2009.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 00:04am


Congratulations to The Spinners along with War, but still no Electric Light Orchestra, 15 years overdue and counting, the Rock Hall truly is a piss stain, no joke!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 02:18am


I've also come to the conclusion that the RRHOF Desperately needs to expand it's number of acts Inducted, maybe Increase to 7....and 3 extra slots for sidemen, songwriters, executives, or influences. It Should be along the lines of Eras also: Someone should always represent the 50's.

Posted by Jason P on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 02:28am



Thanks Gassman. I think I've got my five predictions figured out, but I wanna spend a little more time in research before I solidify my picks.

A couple points on a couple nominees that don't merit an entire blog entry:

Small/Faces: I'm sorry, but I think it was a good call to put them together. Their sounds may have been very different, but the personnel were pretty much the same and were pretty much called the same. For those who agree with the Joy Division/New Order analogy: I would say that'd be fine by me too. IMO, if they're gonna induct both eras of the Drifters together under one induction, then so can be the case with Small/Faces. The Drifters: now THERE'S a group that deserves split recognition! Different styles AND completely different line-ups. Even the Vocal Group Hall Of Fame recognized the separate entities, yet they're both included as inducted members of the group in the Rock Hall. Besides, a band is usually hailed as being masters of reinvention when they change gears like that. And my word to those who especially want separate recognition for the Small Faces: re-read the blurb on the Rock Hall site for the group. Not one Small Faces song is specifically mentioned, but TWO from Faces are. That should tell you all you need to know about what they think about the Small Faces; they feel they're doing you guys a favor by including the Small years.

Rufus With Chaka Khan: I have to laugh honestly. Not so much at their nomination, but the lumping together of Rufus and Chaka Khan. It's one instance of Front Man Fever that honestly wouldn't bother too many, I don't think. It wouldn't be that big a deal to induct just Chaka Khan without Rufus, and now we may even see tittering about inducting Chaka solo, even though it's clear this is meant to cover the entire span. It's almost comical to me.

Happy predicting to all!

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 06:03am


http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_halloffame_x1.html

DIGITAL DREAM DOOR'S QUALIFICATIONS RATING SYSTEM FOR POTENTIAL ROCK HALL INDUCTEES

1 - Non-existant
2 - Mostly Insignificant
3 - Recognizable, But Minor Credentials
4 - Modest Accomplishments
5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short
6 - Strong Case To Be Made
7 - Solid Choice
8 - Unquestioned Credentials
9 - Dominant Artist
10 - The Immortals

Digital Dream Door will post its annual critique of the Rock Hall nominees sometime this week.
Out of this year's 15 nominees for the 2012 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame 8 of them currently have pages on Digital Dream Door:

The Beastie Boys

One of the longest lasting, most versatile and innovative rap groups in history, the Beastie Boys also broke the color line in the process which helped bring the style into the white middle class teen realm, pushing sales of all rap artists higher. "Licensed To Ill" was the biggest selling rap LP of the 80's, but their follow-up "Paul's Boutique" was the album which contained the most experimental sounds and became massively influential on the sampling culture. Any thought that they had been a short lived novelty was erased when they topped the charts with two more albums in the mid-to-late 90's.

Qualifications: 8 - Unquestioned Credentials

Donovan

Maybe a better chance at being inducted than would first appear as his unique trippy folk influenced rock style makes him stand out against more mainstream contenders. Continues to have high name recognition thanks to a run of big hits from the 60's that have remained well-known through the years. This is the type of unexpected candidate who often garners surprising support, and though he hasn't yet, he seems sure to at least earn a nomination somewhere along the way at the very least.

Qualifications: 6 - Strong Case To Be Made

Heart

You'd think that this group would've been inducted by now, not only for having a deserving set of credentials, including nine Top Ten hits, but also because they featured two of rock's most successful in-band female performers in lead singer Ann Wilson and guitarist Nancy Wilson, which is a chance to spread gender equity the HOF voters usually don't pass up. In addition they were the rare hard-rock group that didn't become excessive, something the style was known for, and were remarkably versatile along the way. Why the wait?

Qualifications: 7 - Solid Choice

Joan Jett & The Blackhearts

Though sporting somewhat of a cartoonish image, despite some enduring songs, Jett has the name recognition that will always keep her chances of garnering at least a nomination alive. The Hall's propensity for wanting to see viable female candidates on the ballot will also help, but despite her one towering achievement, "I Love Rock 'n' Roll", she will face increasing competition from newly eligible women as time goes on, which will dim her chances even further.

Qualifications: 5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short

Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

Another group that had both success and critical respect in their day but have been widely ignored or pushed aside in the memory bank since. Khan may still hold some praise for being one of the best singers of her generation, which gives her solo career a shot in the future, but the whole group is deserving. It seems the fractured 70's "demographic" based audience seems to be doing them in, just as its done in many others of that era, all of whom were apparently listening to different stations and none had their ear tuned to it all to offer a consensus opinion.

Qualifications: 7 - Solid Choice

The Spinners

Numerous hits and a position as one of the top groups of the 70's hasn't resulted in much respect from the voters, who view the Gamble-Huff production teams as the real stars without giving credit to the singers who carried it off. Public support among fellow black vocal group artists who faced a similar lack of respect themselves before getting in after multiple tries might get them some attention from the voting body, but it still seems this is an area the Hall is lax in addressing.

Qualifications: 6 - Strong Case To Be Made

Donna Summer

The undisputed Queen Of Disco has only one nomination thus far, showing how little respect the style itself gets from the Hall Of Fame. Her credentials are uniformly solid, including being among the most successful solo artists in rock history, but the critical, or even mass public acceptance of disco as a whole remains shakey, aside from the occasionally goofy retro-hipness. Her popularity and absolute dominance over an entire major style of rock though should be more than enough to assure her of eventual enshrinement.

Qualifications: 7 - Solid Choice

War

One of the 70's top funk groups began as backup musicians for Eric Burdon's post-Animals career before going out on their own and scoring immediately with both singles and albums considered to be among the best the style ever produced. They initially seemed to be one of the 70's groups that would be inducted sooner rather than later but they've been eligible now for a decade and are still no closer to entry, leaving you to wonder what the voting body is thinking or if they're thinking at all.

Qualifications: 7 - Solid Choice

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 06:29am


This is what Digital Dream Door had to say about Laura Nyro in 2009 and 2010, and The Red Hot Chili Peppers in 2009.

From Digital Dream Door

Laura Nyro

It's not entirely fair to suggest that any artist is the worst nominee ever offered for official consideration for the Hall Of Fame, but it is perfectly legitimate to call Laura Nyro the least qualified artist based purely on objective measures. Her career is that of a cult figure appealing primarily to the literary based critic and intellectual rock fan that holds far too much sway in deciding which aspects of rock are most deserving of praise and canonization. Like the similarly unqualified Leonard Cohen before her (elected 2008) it is not that Nyro's style or appeal to that type of listener that is in question, it's the fact that absent the usual objective based criteria for which all candidates must be judged one finds her credentials sorely lacking. Both her and Cohen were renown as writers with their work more popular in the hands of other artists, but Nyro's songs found their popularity on the outermost fringes of the border between rock and pure pop with groups The 5th Dimension, Three Dog Night and Blood Sweat & Tears taking her material to the charts, hardly the cutting edge of rock 'n' roll that would gain her any influence points. She had one top 40 album and one top 100 single herself, which means she can't claim any commercial success as credentials either. Considering the sheer number of qualified artists from over sixty years of rock 'n' roll who have yet to even be nominated, let alone inducted, it is downright inexplicable and indefensible that the committee felt a relatively obscure, if respected, figure like Nyro, with no major impact on rock's historical evolution, was worthy of consideration.

Qualifications: 1 - Non-existant

FROM THE DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

Laura Nyro

For years the Hall Of Fame has wrestled with the question of how to reward artists whose work is largely unknown but for whom there is a level of critical respect that they feel is justified and deserves recognition. Laura Nyro is the perfect example of such a case. Her career is that of a cult figure appealing primarily to the literary based critic and intellectual rock fan that holds far too much sway in deciding which aspects of rock are most deserving of praise and canonization. Absent the usual objective based criteria for which all candidates must be judged one finds her credentials sorely lacking. Nyro is renowned by many as a peerless songwriter, but her songs found their popularity on the outermost fringes of the border between rock and pure pop with groups The 5th Dimension, Three Dog Night and Blood Sweat & Tears taking her material to the charts, hardly the cutting edge of rock 'n' roll that would gain her any influence points. She had one Top 40 album and one Top 100 single herself, which means she can't claim any commercial success of her own either. Yet she is deified by a small handful of fans, critics and artists who've chosen to support her candidacy over the far more prominent achievements of dozens of others who are more deserving. While it is nice that rock 'n' roll allows for niche and cult artists to have the spotlight shine on them from time to time, giving rock an enormous breadth that makes it unique, the immortalization of artists still needs to be reserved for those whose impact and influence is beyond reproach.

Qualifications: 2 - Mostly Insignificant

From Digital Dream Door

Red Hot Chili Peppers

Doubtless many armchair observers and perhaps even the Hall Of Fame themselves see the Red Hot Chili Peppers as the debut candidate of note as opposed to LL Cool J, as they are still near the peak of their careers upon their eligibility for induction. While their overall credentials can't quite compare to his, as their career has been up and down with various members coming and going, they are still probably a sure thing for election and rightly so. Combining a host of influences, from funk to punk, the RHCP were exactly the type of colorful, decadent and musically aggressive band that helped define the late 80's and early 90's rock scene when they exploded into the mainstream with two vital albums back to back. Following the departure of guitarist John Frusciante following their breakthrough album Blood Sugar Sex Magik, they hit a dry spell with several incarnations of the band failing to recapture their momentum before Frusciante was finally able to kick drugs and returned to the fold. Their creative rebirth with 1999's Californication cemented their legacy and gave them the career longevity needed to take their place alongside the best artists of their era. Defined by their energetic and often controversial stage shows, including a riot inducing set at Woodstock '99, the group's creative resurgence has continued throughout the new decade as their influence continues to spread.

Qualifications: 7 - Solid Choice

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 06:51am


Well.. probably more interesting than the nominees themselves are the comments piling in. I'm more than overjoyed that the Hall has finally realized they can't keep ignoring New Wave/post-punk in the way they have been doing (with a few exceptions) and gone with nominating the Cure. I would have preferred Joy Division, but whatever. The Beastie Boys' nomination comes as no surprise though I AM surprised they're putting two rap acts at once, haven't they realized that this has consistently split the voting and has kept a rap act from being indicted for a while? I predict that either the Beasties will get in or neither them or Eric B. and Rakim will make it. I just can't see the voters going for Eric B. & Rakim over the Beasties.

I'm pleasantly surprised to see Donovan, the Small Faces and (especially) Freddie King on the ballot. I really hope Freddie King gets his due but there's some really tough competition this year for the none-household names with Guns n' Roses and RHCP both nominated at once. In terms of lumping the Small Faces with the Faces, I do think it's a mistake and that it confirms my fears that when the Hall gets around to Joy Division they'll lump them in with New Order when the two should really be inducted separately. HOWEVER, Philip has convinced me somewhat with his reasoning as to why inducting the Small Faces/the Faces might not be that unreasonable.

It was completely idiotic nominating both Joan Jett and the Blackhearts and Heart at once as this will split the voting between both acts, this could cause neither to get in but I can see Heart having the upper hand here.

Back to GNR and RHCP, totally predictable to see them nominating GNR and I'm almost certain they'll get in. I find it unlikely they'll induct both at once, with only 5 inductees and all, but Cheesecrop has provided some interesting points as to why they might go with RHCP over GNR so I won't reiterate them.

I'm pleased to see War getting some recognition again but there's just to many bigger acts on here to give them any sort of shot this year, I have no idea what they'll do with Donna Summer this year, we'll just have to wait and see (taking note that the perennial Chic has fallen off the ballot), Rufus and Chaka Khan have next to no shot as probably the majority of voters have no idea who they are. Nice to see the Spinners but they'll probably get shortlisted, I find it very likely they'll take the easy way out and put Laura Nyro in the NP category.

I'll give some more thought about nomination predictions as well as who of this group I would personally vote for/induct.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 08:47am


Alice Cooper will be voting for Laura Nyro and Donovan

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 08:56am


classicrocker and Rick: Don't forget to sign up on the Rock Hall Project page to vote next week!

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 10:54am


After taking a further look at the nominees and reading the comments from other posters, I think that the Hall's biggest problem is the fact that they just don't induct enough artists per year.

As a result, they are left with such a huge backlog that you have fans of upwards of 200 bands proclaiming that a certain band not being in the Hall of Fame is something along the lines of a "complete joke". I don't think that any of the 15 artists nominated this year are total head scratchers and i don't think that any of the 5 artists inducted last year did not belong in the hall of fame in some capacity.

After voting in the Revisited and Projected projects, it actually has really made me sympathize with the voting body. As with the real Hall of Fame, we had members of the voting body who clearly favoured certain artists, certain eras and certain genres. While it's clear that many members of the voting body have their own agendas, it's hardly different from the opinions on here. Everyone has their own opinion on who the biggest snubs are, but the fact of the matter is that the Hall of Fame is a numbers game. There are five guys that get in every year, and while the Hall of Fame hasn't done a fantastic job over the past few years, there are signs of progress this year.

They have finally nominated a major alternative artist, they've nominated several deserving women/women-fronted bands, they continue to put major rap and R&B artists at the table and they have continued to do a good job of acknowledging deserving British Invasion bands and Singer songwriters. Also, they have finally skewed their nominations away from the 50's/60's a little bit. That is a clear sign of progress.

I'm not going to proclaim myself as a RRHOF apologist, but I do want everyone to put these nominations in perspective. There does appear to be progress and it does appear that the nominating committee made an effort to appease a lot of different groups this year.

That said, I REALLY wish that they would stop nominating pairs of similar artists. At this point, I worry that Freddy/Freddie King is the most likely person to be inducted this year simply because he's got no one similar nominated against him.

Posted by BSLO on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 11:15am


Also, on a side note, I completely agree with classicrocker on Guns N' Roses and he's really changed my mind on them getting in this year.

Basically every major hard rock band (and many great bands that have become eligible over the past 5-10 years period) have had to wait several classes to get in, and in some cases, wait to even get nominated.

It would be a bit of a shame to let GNR waltz in right away because realistically, they were a huge band for only 5 years tops and over time it's been clear that they had very little obvious influence on the hard rock bands that followed them. I don't see them as being more immediately deserving than the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and since that band has already had to wait a couple of classes, Guns N' Roses should have to as well.

Posted by BSLO on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 11:23am


Alright, enough of the Freddie King marginalization. I have been a proponent of King's nomination for years, and I was thrilled to see him finally nominated. I don't expect him to get in this year and I admit he is probably not amongst the five most deserving nominees in this batch, but still. The dude was a crucial link from classic blues to electric blues/rock, and he was actually a pretty big name even amongst rock fans in the early 70's with the series of Shelter records he recorded. His songs have been covered on records by many important artists, including Clapton, SRV and Jeff BEck Group, to just name a few. Clapton and SRV openly discussed how King was a huge influence on their playing. Freddie King is Hall-Worthy.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 12:46pm


Glad to see I'm not the only one wondering about GNR. (Rant Warning)

Let me start this with saying that I like GNR. Appetite is an incredible album, and the UYI's had great moments on there, but there's no realistic way you can tell me GNR deserves a first ballot induction, especially with who's on the outside.

The last great classic rock band? Please, classic rock is a continuously widening goal post as it enters the 90s new artists will inevitably get that title. And besides, Pearl Jam had took influence from alot of the same sources as Guns (classic rock and punk, namely) and ooze a classic rock sound, so why aren't they called that?

Even if you break it up into genres/eras, they still aren't #1 in anything.

Hard Rock? Nah. Try Deep Purple or KISS first.

Heavy Metal? Nope, try Judas Priest or Iron Maiden.

Hair Metal? Nope, Def Leppard is miles ahead of them, and if we go by the Influence and Innovation standard so is Motley Crue. They're pretty much neck and neck with Bon freaking Jovi.

80s? God no, thats a long list. Again, neck and neck with Bon Jovi.

Classic rock? Thats a big pond and Guns doesn't have the I&I to stand out of there.

So the best they can do is a #3 spot in Hair Metal, yet they're treated like this automatic first-ballot HOFers. And never mind the points already brought up about how Black Sabbath/Van Halen/Alice Cooper had to wait a ridiculously long time while Guns watlzes in because the Hall wants to force an Axl/Slash reunion.

And if the Hall wanted to "keep it fresh", they could've just nominated Eric B. And Rakim. Or if they were so desperate to nominate a "new rock band", nominate Soundgarden. Those guys have unquestioned credentials, can play at the ceremony, are a big name, have the hits, are well liked by everyone, and are going to have to promote a new album anyway, so why should they play second fiddle to what will most likely be Van Halen part 2?

Let's look at the list of first balloters since 1999, and do some theoretical adding of the 2 first ballot nominees:

Bruce Springsteen
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
The Ramones
Talking Heads
The Clash
Elvis Costello
The Police
Prince
U2
The Pretenders
R.E.M.
Madonna
Run-DMC
Guns N' Roses
Eric B. and Rakim

When it comes to influence and innovation, which of these sticks out really bad?

Don't get me wrong, GNR had a good 5 year run and if push came to shove I'd give them a yes based on their massive presence of force despite a disturbingly low amount of influence and innovation. So in theory, I have no problem with an GNR induction, but when even Eddie Trunk (a hair metal fanatic) is questioning whether or not you should be able to leapfrog over the VERYYYY long list of snubs, then I think something is very wrong with this situation.

Posted by Jim on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 16:39pm


Good points, Jim.

Also, consider that MICHAEL JACKSON and DAVID BOWIE didn't even go in until several years after they were eligible! Their resumes were way fatter that GNR.

Posted by classicrocker on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 16:56pm


I'm astounded Bowie wasn't first ballot. He bloody well should of been.

I'd go for GNR over any of the hair metal bands anyday but for hard rock I' definetly say Deep Purple first.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 17:09pm


I sometimes think we (I mean, our group of obsessives here at FRL) put too much importance on First Ballot inductees. I mean, in the end, you are either in the Hall or not in the Hall. Once you are in, it doesn't really matter how long it took to get in. It is like arguing over a football game that was either a blowout or came down to the wire. The winner still gets the win, regardless of how they got it.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 17:20pm


Neither were The Velvet Underground or Pink Floyd.

While I think these are all valid points, I don't think its really going to matter because I would be shocked if Guns N' Roses didn't get inducted this year.

I actually agree that Guns N' Roses shouldn't be inducted this year based on the Hall's precedent. As Jim pointed out there have only been so many 1st ballot Hall of Famers inducted. Yet with these chosen nominees its hard for me to pick 5 artists that would deem more worthy than Guns N' Roses. My preferences out of these nominees would probably be ranked:

1. Beastie Boys
2. The Cure
3. Guns N' Roses
4. Red Hot Chili Peppers
5. Donna Summer
6. Eric B. and Rakim
7. Heart
8. Spinner
9. War
10. Freddie King
11. Small Faces/Faces
12. Donovan
13. Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
14. Rufus with Chaka Khan
15. Laura Nyro

Now I had no problem/I voted for them to get inducted into the Revisited/Projected Hall of Fame on the first ballot because as a group we set a precedent of inducting a lot of acts on the first ballot and they seemed just as worthy as the other acts we inducted on the first ballot.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 17:36pm



"Now I had no problem/I voted for them to get inducted into the Revisited/Projected Hall of Fame on the first ballot because as a group we set a precedent of inducting a lot of acts on the first ballot and they seemed just as worthy as the other acts we inducted on the first ballot."

Not trying to push, but even then thats not really up to snuff.

Let's look at the list of inductees WE inducted first ballot that the hall either didnt or hasnt even inducted from 1996-2012

Black Sabbath
Michael Jackson
Aerosmith
Queen
KISS
The Cure
Joy Division
Van Halen
Depeche Mode
New Order
Metallica
Sonic Youth
The Smiths
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Soundgarden
Guns N' Roses

Even then, if one looks at innovation and influence as well as impact they fall short when compared to every other one.

This is not a slight against Guns musically. They were a great band, but they haven't really influenced any hard rock bands since, weren't innovative and are more of a fashion statement than a band nowadays. I'd still give them a nod do to their massive presence of force from 1987-1993, but I think people overstate their importance. To me, there's nothing wrong with making them wait a couple years. Hell, we made the Beastie Boys wait a couple years even though they're way more influential than Guns.

When it comes to the real hall, I'm much more annoyed that Guns is getting in ahead of many of their own influences than them getting in first ballot.

Posted by Jim on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 18:13pm


Is it possible that maybe the Rock Hall nominated them as The Small Faces/The Faces, but they will induct them separately, and we'll have 6 instead of 5 inductees next year? It could be what the Rock Hall's plan is. I'm going to email them and tell them to do it that way. If they nominated Wanda Jackson in the main performers category and then inducted her as an early influence, I think they could nominate The Small Faces/The Faces together and then induct them separately. Ian McLagan, Ronnie Lane, Kenney Jones will join Stephen Stills as the only inductees to be inducted twice in the same year. We'll get two separate induction speeches and two performances.

THE 2012 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. The Small Faces
02. The Faces
03. Heart
04. Guns N' Roses
05. Freddie King
06. War or Donovan or Laura Nyro or Donna Summer or The Spinners

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 20:45pm


Doubt It

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 20:52pm


The Small Faces/The Faces has to be the most ridiculous nomination in the history of the R&RHoF, even more ridiculous than Conway Twitty's nomination. That assessment has nothing to do with their worthiness, though. The Small Faces, featuring Steve Marriott, Ronnie Lane, Ian McLagan and Kenney Jones, were a great, influential band that straddled the subgenres of folk rock and psychedelia featuring the best work that Steve Marriott has ever done. The Faces, featuring Rod Stewart, Ronnie Lane, Ian McLagan, Ron Wood and Kenney Jones, were a great, influential, alcohol-fueled pub rock band featuring some of the best work Rod Stewart has ever done. Yes, they share three members, but they were two entirely different bands, and just because you liked one didn't mean you liked the other.

The only reasons to mash the Small Faces/the Faces together are (1) you didn't want to load up the Clyde McPhatter Club with Lane, McLagan and Jones, even though you're guaranteed to add Stewart and Wood by nominating the Faces that Stewart and Wood will be added, so what's the problem? (2) you couldn't get the nominators to agree on one or the other so you mashed them both together and it worked, (3) you were afraid the voters wouldn't vote in one or the other so you're gonna try inducting them both at the same time (4) the nominators aren't familiar with the work of each band and think that just because they both share three members and have similar names that the two bands are essentially the same when in essence you actually have two completely different bands. If that last reason were the case, those nominators need to be ejected from the committee for gross ignorance.

This is not another case of Parliament and Funkadelic, where although there were some differences, the lines between the two acts were constantly blurred. Yes, these two acts should be nominated, but because they are so different musically speaking, they should be nominated separately, not together.

Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 20:53pm


Blur/Gorillaz ; Tool/A Perfect Circle/Puscifer #rockhallmashups about 12 hours ago
Hüsker Dü/Sugar ; Rage Against the Machine/Audioslave #rockhallmashups about 12 hours ago
What other nominees are going to get that treatment in the future? Pearl Jam / Green River #rockhallmashups about 12 hours ago

THOSE WILL NEVER HAPPEN!

JOINT INDUCTIONS WILL STOP AFTER JOY DIVISION/NEW ORDER! TRUST ME!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 20:58pm


The Beastie Boys?? Chaka Khan w/Rufus?? Red Hot Chili Peppers????? This is NOT the ROCK N' ROLL Hall of Fame. This is the Anybody But Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. Seeing as how you put the RHCP
on this year tells me something else. This is the
Trendy Garbage Hall of Fame.
Do you listen to whom you nominate? It appears not. I mean Joan Jett & Heart have and continue
to produce REAL ROCK n' ROLL. Chaka Khan has as much to do with r n'r as the RHCP. In other words,
Nothing. The same goes for the Beastie Boys.
Axl Rose will just keep playing old Guns n' Roses songs for the money with anonymous backing musicians. Also, you do have a bias towards heavy metal. You say Ozzy because he's more popular than Sabbath. You are a biased organization run
by suits who have no idea what real Rock n' Roll
is.

Posted by Greg Barton on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 22:16pm


Remember what happened in 2011? All the inductees were artists from the 60s-70s: Darlene Love, Neil Diamond, Alice Cooper, Leon Russell, Tom Waits, Dr. John. Expect that trend to continue in 2012 with the voters voting for their peers, but with one exception. Remember what happened in 2009? Metallica, an 80s-90s metal act was inducted. Keeping all that in mind, here is my final prediction followed by more reasons why, but I'm only sure on 4 of the 5 inductees:

Thinking like the Rock Hall...

THE 2012 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. The Small Faces / The Faces
02. Heart
03. Guns N' Roses
04. Freddie King
05. War or Donovan or Laura Nyro or Donna Summer or The Spinners

MY REASONS:

01. THE SMALL FACES / THE FACES

A lot of star power here! Big names with lots of big name friends who will be voting for them! Steve Marriott will finally be inducted, and Ronnie Wood and Rod Stewart will get second inductions. Hopefully Rod Stewart will attend this time. He missed his first induction in 1994 because an earthquake damaged his house and he had to tend to that.

Is it possible that maybe the Rock Hall nominated them as The Small Faces/The Faces, but they will induct them separately, and we'll have 6 instead of 5 inductees next year? It could be what the Rock Hall's plan is. I'm going to email them and tell them to do it that way. If they nominated Wanda Jackson in the main performers category and then inducted her as an early influence, I think they could nominate The Small Faces/The Faces together and then induct them separately. Ian McLagan, Ronnie Lane, Kenney Jones will join Stephen Stills as the only inductees to be inducted twice in the same year. We'll get two separate induction speeches and two performances.

02. HEART

Heart was interviewed by the Rock Hall this year. Out of all the women nominated this year (Heart, Joan Jett, Chaka Khan, Donna Summer, Laura Nyro), only Heart and Joan Jett are Rock And Roll. Heart came first and they should be inducted first. Plus, Joan Jett wasn't really that big. Also, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts shouldn't be inducted before all the artists they have covered: The Arrows, Tommy James and the Shondells, and Gary Glitter.

03. GUNS N' ROSES

Out of all the 80s-90s all-male Rock acts nominated this year (Guns N' Roses, Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Cure), Guns N' Roses are the biggest, the best, and the most respected by their predecessors. Members of The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Cream, The Yardbirds, Black Sabbath, Aerosmith, Queen, The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Elton John, Metallica, and many others will be voting for Guns N' Roses (this year's Metallica). Bon Jovi they are not! The Rock Hall voters will continue to ignore the Beastie Boys and the Red Hot Chili Peppers this year.

04. FREDDIE KING

Legendary Blues-Rock guitarist. Need I say more? All inducted guitarists will be voting for him; B.B. King and Eric Clapton included. He is a shoe-in. Chuck Willis and Joe Tex he is not. Elton John mentioned Freddie King in his induction speech for Leon Russell earlier this year. Leon Russell worked with Freddie King. Leon Russell signed Freddie King to his Shelter Records late in his career.

05. War or Donovan or Laura Nyro or Donna Summer or The Spinners

A second induction for Eric Burdon? Two singer/songwriters, Disco, and an R&B group. I don't know what will happen here!

A SIDE NOTE:

Three connections to Elton John and Bernie Taupin on the ballot this year:

Heart, Guns N' Roses, The Small Faces/The Faces (Rod Stewart)

Heart are known to be fans of Elton John and Bernie Taupin. They have mentioned it numerous times. Most recently, Ann Wilson's blog on the Rock Hall site. Heart recorded and scored a number one hit in 1985-1986 with the song These Dreams, written by Bernie Taupin and Martin Page.

Guns N' Roses are also known as Elton John and Bernie Taupin fans. Axl Rose gave the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction speech for Elton John in 1994. Elton John and Axl Rose appeared together in concert numerous times in the 90s: Freddie Mercury (Queen) tribute concert and MTV music awards.

Rod Stewart has recorded songs with lyrics by Bernie Taupin. Rod Stewart and Elton John were both inducted in 1994. Alice Cooper and Leon Russell, who have also recorded songs with lyrics by Bernie Taupin, were both inducted in 2011. Maybe we'll see Rod Stewart inducted again in 2012, as well as Heart.

All this is leading me to believe that Bernie Taupin will be inducted in 2012, along with other writers in the non-performers category.

NON-PERFORMER CANDIDATES FOR INDUCTION INTO THE ROCK HALL

Cosimo Matassa, Willie Mitchell, Bernie Lowe, Tom Dowd, John Simon, Arif Mardin, Phil Ramone, Quincy Jones, Richard Barrett, Robert Blackwell, Bob Crewe, David Porter, Bernie Taupin, David Foster, Jim Steinman, Carole Bayer Sager, Diane Warren, Wolfman Jack, Casey Kasem

Kal Mann and Dave Appell
Bert Berns and Jerry Ragovoy
Norman Whitfield and Barret Strong
Burt Bacharach and Hal David
Henry Cosby and Sylvia Moy
Thom Bell and Linda Creed
Boudleaux and Felice Bryant
Nick Ashford and Valerie Simpson

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 03:51am



So the best they can do is a #3 spot in Hair Metal, yet they're treated like this automatic first-ballot HOFers. And never mind the points already brought up about how Black Sabbath/Van Halen/Alice Cooper had to wait a ridiculously long time while Guns watlzes in because the Hall wants to force an Axl/Slash reunion.

And if the Hall wanted to "keep it fresh", they could've just nominated Eric B. And Rakim. Or if they were so desperate to nominate a "new rock band", nominate Soundgarden. Those guys have unquestioned credentials, can play at the ceremony, are a big name, have the hits, are well liked by everyone, and are going to have to promote a new album anyway, so why should they play second fiddle to what will most likely be Van Halen part 2?

Posted by Jim on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 16:39pm
--------------------------------------------------
It's not that I don't hear you. (since I've a pretty good feeling this rant came from my earlier post)

The fact is, we can do nothing about the nominations. After your post, several others followed, and most folks were stating that Guns N' Roses should have to wait their turn. I think everybody out there knows I find this to be a silly argument.

This being said, I will address this question to everyone:

WHO ARE THEY WAITING FOR THIS YEAR?

KISS is not on the ballot. Rush is not on the ballot. Deep Purple is not on the ballot. Looking at the ballot this yr., there's simply no reason NOT to induct them (if you're going by who's listed already).

Sadly, my comment about television ratings holds much more weight than I'd like it to. Deep down inside, you all know that my words on that hold a great deal of weight - more's the pity for everybody here.

BTW - I am shocked that Soundgarden wasn't even nominated!!! This is something that also deserves a comment or two as well.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 06:44am


"Rufus and Chaka Khan have next to no shot as probably the majority of voters have no idea who they are."

-Tahvo Parvianen

I usually agree with your opinions but this is probably the silliest thing you have ever said. I'm not thinking higly of their chances, and I'm not supporting their induction (over other more deserving acts that is) but to say voters don't know who they are is ridiculous. They may not be very familiar with Rufus, but the voters surely know who CHAKA KHAN is. Outside of Aretha, she's probably the second most respected female r&b/soul singer and her name alone could gather enough votes to land a surprise induction. I really think the only act we can safely rule out of the race is Eric B. and Rakim (as much as I'm a fan, I would be floored if they make). Everybody else has a decent shot, some greater than others.

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 09:45am


There could be 6 or 7 inductees next year is The Small Faces and The Faces are separated.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 10:09am


They won't be separated. They would have been nominated separately if that were the case.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 11:34am


Let's not induct Gary Glitter Roy, that would just be shameful, and i'm not just going on about his peadophilia but also the fact his music was crap.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 13:10pm


I'm borrowing my mother's laptop as mine's broken and I have work to do, so I'll be quick:

Good list. Something for everyone. I picked 12 nominees, and got 6 of them right: GNR, Donovan, Donna Summer, Laura Nyro, Beastie Boys and RHCP. I'm particularly pleased at The Cure's nomination: Great band, high on the I&I scale and I had previously written that their window of opportunity was closing; glad to be wrong on that front. 1 other act that I didn't think would be nominated but would if any of my predictions were wrong made the cut: Eric B. & Rakim. Picks:

Beastie Boys. Once again, they stupidly put 2 rap acts on the list. However, this time it won't hurt the Beasties as Eric B. & Rakim aren't well-known outside of hardcore rap fans. This is also a bad thing as it'll be tough for them to get in (particularly with Public Enemy and N.W.A. up next year), but for now I'll be satisfied with the Beasties finally getting in.

Guns & Roses. I like them, but I tend to follow Jim's line of thinking. However, it doesn't matter in this context since people like KISS and Rush failed to make the cut; the worst complaint you could make would be Soundgarden not getting in instead, but that'll happen in due course. A reunion will never happen, but the delusions among the Hall and fans that it's going to happen in the ceremony will (combined with powerful allies and name-power) help them cruise through easily, and I'm happy about that if only because it shows a willingness to move forward and embrace the 80's.

Red Hot Chili Peppers. Made the cut first-ballot, only to shockingly miss out to (among others) The Hollies and ABBA; no disrespect to either (I find the latter to be one of the gold standards for pop music actually) but it could be argued that neither had quite the credentials of RHCP. Last year they even more shockingly weren't even nominated, as Bon Jovi became the "name" choice. They are facing problems here: The Cure have more critical respect and will draw plenty of votes, the Beasties are also in with the younger crowd and of course GNR's there. However they've inducted people before, are on tour and have a succesful new album under the belts. Two words: Ticket sales.

The Faces/The Small Faces: Only heard a couple Faces songs and nothing by TSF; surprised myself there since Noel Gallagher and Paul Weller are fans. Despite this, I can say they'll get in because the opportunity to lavish more praise on Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood will be too good to pass up.

The rest: Been there and done that with Laura Nyro, Eric B. & Rakim will take awhile. The Cure's nomination is long overdue but they'll be pushed out by RHCP this time around. Final pick: Donna Summer, I guess.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 16:52pm


Cleveland: The Worst Of


Names Inducted By Cleveland That Haven't Been By Rock Hall Revisited/Projected:

1. Lloyd Price - 1998
2. Moonglows - 2000
3. Dells - 2004
4. Percy Sledge - 2005
5. Wanda Jackson (Early Influence) - 2009
6. Jac Holzman (Non-Performer) - 2011
7. Art Rupe (Non-Performer) - 2011


Performers Nominated By Cleveland That Haven't Been Inducted Into Rock Hall Revisited/Projected:


Joe Tex: 4 (1998, 2006, 2007, 2011) - Eligible since 1990.


The J. Geils Band: 3 (2005, 2006, 2011) - Eligible since 1995.

Ben E. King: 3 (1986, 1987, 1988) - Eligible since beginning.


The Chantels: 2 (2002, 2010) - Eligible since beginning.

Lou Reed: 2 (2000, 2001) - Eligible since 1997.


Joan Jett and The Blackhearts: 1 (2012) - Eligible since 2006.

Rufus with Chaka Khan: 1 (2012) - Eligible since 2000.

The Small Faces/Faces: 1 (2012) - Eligible since 1987.

The Sir Douglas Quintet: 1 (2006) - Eligible since 1993.

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band: 1 (2006) - Eligible since 1988.

Conway Twitty: 1 (2005) - Eligible since beginning.

Steve Winwood: 1 (2003) - Eligible since 1996.







Artists Previously Considered By Cleveland Nominators That Haven't Been Inducted In Rock Hall Revisited/Projected:

Average White Band
Bad Brains
The Big Bopper
Big Brother & The Holding Company
Blind Faith
Blood, Sweat & Tears
The Blues Project
Boz Scaggs
Canned Heat
Captain Beefheart
Chubby Checker
Chuck Brown
Cliff Richard & The Shadows
The Commodores
Country Joe & The Fish
The Crystals
Doug Sahm
Dr. Hook
Fishbone
The Five Keys
The Five Satins
The Flying Burrito Brothers
The Gap Band
Grace Jones
The Harptones
Herman's Hermits
Hot Tuna
Iron Butterfly
Ivory Joe Hunter
Jack Scott
Joe Cocker
Johnny Hallyday
Johnny Winter
Judy Collins
Junior Parker
Junior Walker & The All Stars
Junior Wells
The Last Poets
Lee Andrews & The Hearts
Lee Dorsey
Lesley Gore
Los Lobos
Lucinda Williams
Manfredd Mann
Marshall Tucker Band
Mick Jagger (solo career)
Mitch Ryder
Neil Sedaka
The Neville Brothers
Pat Boone
Paul Anka
Peter Tosh
Poco
Ringo Starr (solo career)
Rufus Thomas
Sade
The Shangri-Las
Simple Minds
Slim Harpo
Sonny & Cher
The Spencer Davis Group
Sting (solo career)
Sugarhill Gang
Teddy Pendergrass
Ten Years After
Three Dog Night
Tim Hardin
Tina Turner (solo career)
Tommy James & The Shondells
Treacherous Three
The Turtles

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 17:16pm


So, the best prediction happened to be 7 out of 15, but if somebody had simply listed Guns N' Roses along with 14 of the most recent acts to be nominated but fail to be inducted, they'd have tied that mark. Shows that the Hall is still being a little too complacent.

And they really need to just ban Toure from showing up. I'm sure he argued for Eric. B and Rakim. Not only is he championing rap acts that have no chance of getting the votes to be inducted (although both EB&R and LL Cool J are clearly deserving), but he keeps causing the votes to split between rap acts, thereby letting none get in.

I, like most others, have no problem with Hip Hop being in the Hall of Fame, but I am rather annoyed that there's somebody on the panel ONLY trumping up Hip Hop acts. Just the same way that I know Little Steven won't really argue for anybody that's from after 1970 unless they have a working class rock theme (think J. Geils/Bon Jovi). Ugh.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 17:30pm


How many more artist from the 60's and 70's are they going to put in the RRHOF ???

Posted by Joe-Skee on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 19:15pm


http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2012.html

THE DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

THE 2012 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 21:17pm


I generally like what I read from Digital Door, but I think The Cure should be given more than a "6" from them.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 22:51pm


I generally like what I read from Digital Door, but I think The Cure should be given more than a "6" from them.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 22:51pm


Agreed. I think the issue was with DDD underestimating their importance and influence in the U.S. The charts don't always reflect those sort of things and they seemed to put too much weight there.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 23:47pm


THE DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

THE 2012 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

01. GUNS 'N ROSES Qualifications: 9 - Dominant Artist
02. THE BEASTIE BOYS Qualifications: 8 - Unquestioned Credentials
03. ERIC B. & RAKIM Qualifications: 8 - Unquestioned Credentials
04. THE RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS Qualifications: 8 - Unquestioned Credentials
05. DONNA SUMMER Qualifications: 8 - Unquestioned Credentials
06. HEART Qualifications: 7 - Solid Choice
07. RUFUS WITH CHAKA KHAN Qualifications: 7 - Solid Choice
08. THE SPINNERS Qualifications: 7 - Solid Choice
09. WAR Qualifications: 7 - Solid Choice
10. THE CURE Qualifications: 6 - Strong Case To Be Made
11. DONOVAN Qualifications: 6 - Strong Case To Be Made
12. JOAN JETT & THE BLACKHEARTS Qualifications: 5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short
13. FREDDIE KING Qualifications: 5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short
14. THE SMALL FACES/THE FACES Qualifications: 4 - Modest Accomplishments
15. LAURA NYRO Qualifications: 2 - Mostly Insignificant

Posted by Roy on Friday, 09.30.11 @ 05:24am


NON-PERFORMER CANDIDATES FOR INDUCTION INTO THE ROCK HALL

Cosimo Matassa, Willie Mitchell, Bernie Lowe, Tom Dowd, John Simon, Arif Mardin, Phil Ramone, Quincy Jones, Richard Barrett, Robert Blackwell, Bob Crewe, David Porter, Bernie Taupin, David Foster, Jim Steinman, Carole Bayer Sager, Diane Warren, Wolfman Jack, Casey Kasem

Kal Mann and Dave Appell
Bert Berns and Jerry Ragovoy
Norman Whitfield and Barret Strong
Burt Bacharach and Hal David
Henry Cosby and Sylvia Moy
Thom Bell and Linda Creed
Boudleaux and Felice Bryant
Nick Ashford and Valerie Simpson

Posted by Roy on Friday, 09.30.11 @ 06:19am


"I usually agree with your opinions but this is probably the silliest thing you have ever said. I'm not thinking higly of their chances, and I'm not supporting their induction (over other more deserving acts that is) but to say voters don't know who they are is ridiculous." - rockstar23

Really? Of all the things I've ever said on here, that's the silliest? Man, and here I thought I was making an idiot of myself, I'm going to give myself some brownie points now!!! But seriously, you're right I did go a bit overboard, I really should've just said I didn't think highly of their chances, always good to touch base.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 09.30.11 @ 16:02pm


Roy another non-performer possibility is Van Dyke Parks.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 09.30.11 @ 23:36pm


http://rockhall.com/blog/post/6574_2012-nominees-announced/

Comments on the Rock Hall's 2012 Nominees page

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.1.11 @ 21:40pm


My analysis on the 2012 nominees.



The Cure

Influence: The Cure have influenced pretty much all post punk/goth rock artists that have come since. 30
Innovation: The Cure, along with Bauhaus, basically created Goth rock. They also had a big hand in creating alternative rock. 30
Commercial Success: The Cure have sold 27 million records worldwide. 15
Critical Respect: The Cure have been shown a lot of critical love in their career. 30

(20 bonus for Boy’s Don’t Cry and Disintegration)

120

Beastie Boys

Influence: The Beastie Boys have been a definite influence on rap acts to come since, including Eminem and House Of Pain. 30
Innovation: They were one of the first to use sampling in rap significantly and to merge it with rock. 20
Critical Respect: The Beastie boys are probably one of the most acclaimed rap acts ever. 30
Commercial Success: They have sold 40 million records worldwide. 20

(20 bonus for Licensed To Ill and Paul’s Boutique)

120

Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Influence: RHCP’s influence can be hear all over the Nu Metal scene and on bands like RATM. 25
Innovation: They were the first to merge Funk, alt rock and metal. 15
Critical Respect: RHCP are one of the most critically respected groups of the past 20 years. 20
Commercial Success: RHCP have sold 65 million records worldwide. 30

(20 bonus for Californiafication and BloodSugarSexMagick)

110

Guns N Roses:

Influence: Guns N Roses are probably one of the biggest influence on the modern rock scene along with groups like Nirvana. 30
Innovation: None to really speak about.
Commercial Success: Guns N Roses have sold more than 100 million records worldwide. 30
Critical Respect: Rolling Stone featured them on their top 100 artists of all time, and considering Jann Wenner has a big hand in deciding thee inductees this is particularly important, the band is also praised by many others. 30

(10 bonus for Appetite For Destruction appearing in the RS top 500 albums)

100

Donna Summer

Influence: Donna Summer has been a big influence on modern day electro pop/R&B singers. 30
Innovation: She was one of the first true disco stars, and her recording “I Feel Love” was a milestone in electronic pop music. 25
Commercial Success: Donna Summer is estimated to have sold 130 million records worldwide. 30
Critical Respect: Her critical respect was high during the late 70’s/early 80’s but never reached those same heights again. 15

100

Heart

Influence: Heart have been influential to many female rock artists and hard rock bands. 30
Innovation: They were the first true female rock artists to have a noteworthy career. 20
Commercial success: They have sold 30 million records worldwide. 20
Critical Respect: Heart’s critical reception has been generally positive for the most part. 15

85

War

Influence: War’s influence can be seen on many bands, with groups/artists such as Janet Jackson, Korn and TLC using their music. 15
Innovation: War made an innovative blend of Latin, R&B, Funk and jazz. 10
Commercial: War have sold 50 million records worldwide. 30
Critical: War enjoyed success with the critics for their 70’s output. 15

(10 bonus for The World Is A Ghetto)

80

Eric B And Rakim

Influence: Eric B’s distinctive backing and Rakim’s great rapping combined to make them one of the most influential rap groups ever. 30
Innovation: Their music built upon the work of Run DMC and added James brown samples and scratching, apart from this they were a normal rap band. 10
Commercial Success: They never had the amount of success that Run DMC had. 0
Critical: They are often called one of the greatest rap groups ever, with Rakim being universally praised. 30

(10 bonus for Paid in Full)

80

The Small Faces/The Faces

Influence: The Faces/Small Faces have been called an influence by bands such as The Replacements, Guns N Roses, Pearl Jam and Oasis. They are also an influence on britpop and rock-revivalist bands. 25
Innovation: They were the first to use the technique of flanging. 10
Commercial Success: The faces had one very successful album, A Nod Is As Good As A Wink To A Blind Horse, but apart from that their other albums didn’t sell much. 5
Critical acclaim: The Simple Faces are one of the most acclaimed psychedelic rock bands and in general The Faces received good reviews. 20

60

Joan Jett And The Blackhearts

Influence: Joan Jett’s solo work was influential on hard rock acts, but probably not as much as her work with the Runaways. 20
Innovation: Joan Jett’s music was normal hard rock and by now the whole (woman rocking) thing wasn’t so revolutionary. 10
Commercial Success: “I Love Rock And Roll” was at number one for seven weeks straight, added to her other record sales and it’s pretty damn good. 10
Critical Respect: Joan Jett’s critical reception started off pretty good but then went mixed. 15

55

Freddie King

Influence: Many guitarists, especially blues ones, have cited him as an influence such as Eric Clapton, peter Green and Chicken Shack. 25
Innovation: Freddie King’s music isn’t considered innovative. 0
Commercial Success: Freddie King had very little success, his singles only once reached above the top 40. 0
Critical acclaim: Freddie king is considered one of the greatest blues guitarists ever. 30

The Spinners
Influence: The Spinners, while nowhere near as influential as, say, The Drifters, are still influential on the 70’s/80’s R&B/soul scene. 20
Innovation: None really to speak of.
Commercial Success: In the 70’s The Spinners had eleven top 40 hits and 4 top 20 albums. 10
Critical Respect: The Spinners albums from the 70’s were always highly rated getting on average 4 stars or above. 20

50

Donovan

Influence: Donovan’s influence. can be seen in psychedelic rock/pop bands and folk artists. 20
Innovation: His song Sunshine Superman set the standard for future psychedelic rock songs., along with his other music.15
Commercial Success: Donovan had a few hits, but in the big picture he didn’t sell much. 5
Critical acclaim: Donovan’s music is only now getting respect, throughout most of his career he was seen as a bad clone of Dylan. 10

50

Rufus And Chaka Khan
Influence: Chaka Khan’s influence on contemporary R&B is massive. 25
Innovation: Their music wasn’t particularly innovative. 0
Critical: Their critical success varied from album to album, generally on average it was around 8/10. 15
Commercial Success: They only had a few hits in the us. 5

45

Laura Nyro

Influence: Laura’s writing has been cited as an influence by such artists/bands as Joni Mitchell, Melissa Manchester, Rickie Lee Jones, Steely Dan, Todd Rundgren and Elton John. 20
Innovation: Her work built on the brill building tradition and was generally just the sort of music singer-songwriters would make around that time, mixes of pop and R&B. 0
Commercial Success: Laura Nyro pretty much never had a hit, other people did with her hits thought.
Critical: Laura Nyro’s work is hailed by many critics as brilliant. 20

40

So in short: here's who I believe should be inducted from an objective point of view.

The Cure
Beastie Boys
RHCP
GNR
Donna Summer

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 10.2.11 @ 07:46am


I like the analysis.

GNR gets in because they sold a zillion records. I can't think of any other reason why they would be inducted, but it's a decent enough reason all the same. But that opens up the whole Kiss, Rush, Bon Jovi issue. If you are going to put GNR in on the first ballot without their having done anything particularly new or original or profound, then keeping out other big selling rock bands gets very tough to justify.

Posted by astrodog on Sunday, 10.2.11 @ 12:58pm


Well you can't deny they're influential and critics love 'em so...

Here would be my analysis for kiss.

Influence: Kiss is probably one of the most influential, if not the most, hard rock band ever. 40
Innovation: None, rock as theater had been done by alice cooper amongst others.
Commercial: Kiss have sold 140 million records worldwide if I'm right. something like that. 30
Critical: Some critics accept them, some don't. 10

(20 bonus for Alive an Destroyer)

100

These analysis are mostly based on how likely they are to get in the hall then how worthy. if I had it my way Kiss would never step foot near the thing.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 10.2.11 @ 13:17pm


It's telling that GNR and Kiss get the same score by your criteria. That's my impression as well.

I have no earthly idea why critics would love GNR. They certainly did nothing to reinvent the wheel. Honestly they were as derivative as you can get. Which is all fine. There is certainly a place for ultrasuccessful commercial bands. (Appetite was 18 times platinum). I may not like their music with a couple of exceptions, but the public has spoken loud and clear.

What I cannot comprehend on any level-and what your own evaluation points to- is how a band like Kiss can now be excluded if GNR is inducted. Kiss also did not reinvent the wheel, although they have a better claim to it than GNR. And they also have a better claim to being influential. Yet GNR is apparently getting inducted on a first ballot basis for seemingly the exact same reasons-outsized commercial success-that Kiss has been excluded. And GNR is not just being inducted, they are being considered top line. It does seem arbitrary.


Posted by astrodog on Sunday, 10.2.11 @ 17:12pm


Wait a minute, if the Rock Hall nominated them as The Small Faces/The Faces, then why the hell didn't the Rock Hall nominate and induct Jefferson Airplane as Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship?

I bet when they announced this joint nomination, the members of Jefferson Starship got a little upset that they weren't included with Jefferson Airplane. (They can commiserate with the Miracles.)

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.3.11 @ 05:58am


Interesting read. I'm trying to put together a ranking as well, trying to be objective. I don't use a a numerical scale like you, but I try to balance in the factors somewhat evenly.

Roy, it probably wasn't considered much of an issue at the time. I don't know how the membership changed, nor do I care for a complete personnel listing. But it was essentially considered one induction at the time. The timeline on the bio page reads, or at least used to read to include the Starships' accomplishments with them.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 10.3.11 @ 08:05am


I don't know either astrodog, they were a great hard rock band but certainly not legends.

Posted by GFW on Monday, 10.3.11 @ 12:19pm


Actually, there is a precedent of sorts to Small Faces/Faces and that goes back to the third year of the HoF.

The Drifters were two different groups from two different eras, both groups were on the same label, but again, two different groups from two diferent eras, yet key members of both groups are in the HoF together.

The Drifters

Clyde McPhatter, Ben E. King, Rudy Lewis, Johnny Moore, Bill Pinkney, Charlie Thomas, Gerhart Thrasher

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.3.11 @ 21:02pm


http://zeenews.india.com/entertainment/celebrity/shakira-nominated-for-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame_97571.htm

Shakira is nominated for the 2012 Rock Hall according to this article.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.3.11 @ 21:08pm


^They seem to have made a big gaffe and mistook Chaka Khan for Shakira

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 10.4.11 @ 05:29am


Love GnR, really like RHCP, and dont mind the Cure, but why the hell aren't Heart and Joan Jett already in the Hall? They should stop catering to younger crowds and honor those who came before, because if it wern't for them lots of these other acts would not exist.

Posted by clane on Tuesday, 10.4.11 @ 14:59pm


Pretty sure Eric B, Beastie Boys and The Cure would still be here without joan jett. if it included her work with runaways than i'd support a joan jett induction.

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 10.4.11 @ 15:56pm


OK, I'm going to take a stab at this, as of this moment, here's who I'm predicting are getting inducted, assuming 5 inductees. I know my reasoning isn't as well thought out as it should be, but since I haven't done this yet I'm throwing it out there:

Guns N' Roses
They get in because they're headliners and because they've been in the spotlight in recent years more so than in the past, it's also around time to throw in another first-balloter.

Red Hot Chilli Peppers
They get in because ignoring such a big, relatively consistent act for a 2nd time would give them too much unwanted negative feedback, something they're already infamous for. Besides, what if Axl & Co. decide they don't want to perform? They need a big name headliner who will.

Beastie Boys
By now voters have realized that putting two rap acts split the ballot, so this time they focus on the bigger-name act. Besides, it's the 25th anniversary of Licensed to Ill.

Heart
If anything for the Women who Rock exhibit, I really cannot see Heart NOT getting in this year, and they've got the upper hand on Joan Jett.

Freddie King
Last year it was Dr. John, the year before, Jimmy Cliff, the year before that, Bobby Womack. This year, the unexpected pick is Freddie King.

If anything, I'll get at least two of these right.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 10.4.11 @ 17:37pm


As promised, my attempt to objectively weigh the merits of the nominees. The main differences between mine and GFW's are that I don't use a numerical grade, and when weighing in commercial success (part of Impact, imo), I give much more consideration to the singles' charts and less to the albums' charts than GFW does. I feel justified in doing so because I believe that the songs are more important. For the most part, when it comes to albums and their songs, I do not believe the whole to be greater than the sum of its parts. Albums get acclaim, songs get remembered.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.6.11 @ 19:49pm


Oops, forgot to give you the link!

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2011/10/who-deserves-it-most.html

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.6.11 @ 19:50pm


Good point about Small Faces/Faces being two different bands. Notice that it's Jefferson Airplane who are in the hall, not Jefferson Airplane/Starship. Of course, in their case, there is a MAJOR difference in quality between the two incarnations of the band. Personally, I don't think either Faces incarnation was all that influential. Both were bands who were just all right. But those guys are all insiders and have a really good shot at being inducted. I do think the Women Who Rock exhibit was a major factor in the number of women who were nominated this year, I just don't think the ones they nominated mattered as much as much as some that could have been nominated. Heart made one great album, their first one, "Dreamboat Annie", then they stalled creatively. By the mid '80s, they were doing the same kind of MOR wallpaper as the aforementioned Starship. But Rolling Stone always liked them, so they've got more than a 50-50 shot. While I am a casual fan of their '70s music, I don't think they really mattered any more than Styx, Journey, or R.E.O. Speedwagon. Joan Jett is not an insider and probably will be a long shot. I also agree that The Runaways should be in first. If they really wanted to nominate Women Who Rock....and who matter! To me rock 'n' roll comes in all shapes, sizes and genres, including offshoots like singer-songwriter music and disco,so it just might be the year for Laura Nyro or Donna Summer. If Laura doesn't win the voting as a performer, I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a non-performer induction. Of Course, I said that both of the last two years as well, but somebody really wants her in, and it doesn't seem to be the hall voters at large! A non-performer nod might be the only way her supporters get what they want. Donna Summer is deserving. Before her days as a disco queen when she did put out her share of cheese, ("Bad Girls"...'nuff said.) she started out doing Kraftwerk-style electro-pop that was a lot edgier, even ground-breaking in some ways. In the '80s, she became a legitimate soul singer. The Beasties & RHCP run the risk of cancelling each other out. They are both rap-rock bands and have similiar audiences. Both deserve induction but it may not happen this year. The Beasties have a slightly better chance. I don't think either will take votes away from Eric B & Rakim, because they were 'pure' hip hop, and just obscure enough to mainstream audiences. One obscure artist gets in every year. Freddie King & Donovan are snubs I think the hall wants to rectify. Both should have been in years ago, and both are a sure thing. I think the only thing that kept Donovan out last year was Neil Diamond being on the ballot. The other two probables are Guns 'N Roses and the Cure, for obvious reasons. War, Rufus, and The Spinners will likely cancel out each other's base of support. I wouldn't be upset if War or The Spinners got in, but I'm not counting on it.

Posted by Sounder on Thursday, 10.6.11 @ 23:12pm


There have been women in rock going all the way back to the early 60s girl groups like the Angels, the Ronnettes and the Shangri-las. I don't see 70's female rock bands as any sought of major innovation. (Think of Mitchell, Quatro or the often discussed Linda Ronstadt). It's worth considering as a factor, but the other usual criteria should predominate. I would say that the description of Heart as a band that stalled creatively after a strong introduction is a fair one, and personally I would hold some of the 80s songs they did through outside songwriters against them. They are a borderline case.

I for one don't think the Runaways merit consideration. I don't put much value in their being an all-female rock band in 1975. And bands like Fanny and Goldie & the Gingerbreads (from all the way back in 1963) beat them too it. The issue has to be their music and actual impact. Really the only place they made any sort of splash was Japan. My impression is that their actual influence is distorted by media attention, culminating in the recent Runaway's movie. But their influence in their own time without cinematic fueled revisionism is a separate question. Even the LA based Go-Gos drew from different influences. And despite attempts to place them within punk (they toured a few weeks with the Ramones), I always saw them as more traditional hard rock. If it could be arranged, Joan Jett inducted individually (like Patti Smith) would be more logical.

Donna Summer is deserving, but the case is not overwhelming. I was very surprised to realize that she only had one platinum-certified studio album (Bad Girls). She had a lot of help from the songwriting of Giorgio Moroder and Pete Bellotte among others that somewhat dilutes the songwriting credits she has in co-writing Bad Girls, On The Radio, I Feel Love and She Works Hard For the Money, etc. (Is I Feel Love influential based on its lyrics or Moroder's electronic contributions?). Of her four number ones, she only has a songwriting credit on Bad Girls. Still she has enough of a songwriting presence and has to be credited with the innovative nature of the music she put out. All in all I would say she was innovative enough and successful enough to be a reasonable choice.

Otherwise I would love to see the Cure inducted. I think the Beastie Boys and GNR will be inducted, although I would prefer to see GNR wait a year to reserve first ballot inductions to truly immortal acts.

Posted by astrodog on Friday, 10.7.11 @ 13:17pm


Phillip, I just checked out your blog post. I've a read a few individuals' critiques on. Yours is by far the best take, great read! Would you consider writing one on who you think the most deserving upcoming eligible artists from the next ten years or so are?

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Friday, 10.7.11 @ 13:54pm


Astro, I Feel love's lyrics are pretty generic love song lyrics, it's electronic backing is the influential factor.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 10.7.11 @ 14:30pm


GFW-Agreed.

Posted by astrodog on Friday, 10.7.11 @ 14:39pm


Chaka deserves to be inducted for her influence alone. For the last 30 years rock, pop and r n b singers have ripped her vocal style and topped the charts, but none can equal her style. If she and Rufus are snubbed it's just a testament to the favoritism that the nominating committee love to deny. They continuously disrespect and ignore so many deserving artist. Madonna inducted in 2008 presented by Justin Timberlake but no Judas Priest, PLEASE...it IS the ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame isn't it. You know Beyonce will make it in before they will. I can't wait for that Apollonia 6 or Billy Squire induction...500 rock "experts" and rock n roll "historians" my ass.

Posted by kkj on Friday, 10.7.11 @ 16:49pm


Email from Robert Hilburn:

He doesn't know how the trophies will read for the members of The Small Faces who were only members of The Small Faces, or how the trophies will read for the members of The Faces who were only members of The Faces.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.9.11 @ 10:59am


Paul Kagebein,

Thanks for the kind words. As per your request, I honestly do not feel that well-qualified to write about the upcoming classes. I can look at them and tell you who is most likely to get consideration, but as far as merit, I don't know that I'm your go-to guy for that. I was way out of the loop in the '90s... way WAY out of the loop. To make matters worse, I lived in a small town, so nothing indie (which many will say is infinitely more deserving than the mainstream music from about the 80's onward) ever trickled in by me. This is an area I would SERIOUSLY welcome a guest blogger. I can give it a shot, but my write-up would likely be an astronomical disappointment compared to the one about this year's nominees.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.9.11 @ 15:23pm


Phillip,

I fully understand, I don't think anyone should feel compelled to do something if they know they lack the knowledge and confidence to do it well. I'm just always curious in other people's opinions in things I'm interested in. Again, good job on what I have read nevertheless though :D

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Sunday, 10.9.11 @ 17:37pm


Next installment of RHM is up... this time, as promised, I'm ranking them strictly on personal tastes, as I believe this DOES play a factor with each member of the voting bloc when they decide.... they do want to vote for those they like.

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com

Posted by Philip on Monday, 10.10.11 @ 12:13pm


For those of you making predictions, with 15 nominees to choose from this year, there are 3003 different combinations of five inductees. So if you were selecting randomly, you would have just a 0.03% chance of getting all five correct. Chances of getting four right are 1.7%. Chances of getting three right are 14%.

We'll be making our (non-random) predictions soon.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Monday, 10.10.11 @ 13:56pm


Using the 'George Costanza' rule of predicting, since after my last few tries I haven't been close, here are my predictions for the 5 nominees:

Laura Nyro
Heart
Freddie King
Donovan
RHCPs

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 10.10.11 @ 14:25pm


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44693588#44693588

Video of The 2012 Rock Hall Nominees on NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams - Joan Jett and the Blackhearts featured - I Love Rock And Roll. Women making strong showing-Brian Williams

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.13.11 @ 10:03am


Nominees for The 2012 Songwriters Hall of Fame

No one that's nominated for the 2012 Rock Hall is on this list:

Non-Performer Songwriters

Don Covay * Jerry Fuller * Graham Gouldman * Tony Hatch * Sandy Linzer/Denny Randell * Tony Macaulay * Chips Moman * Artie Resnick/Kenny Young * Don Schlitz * P.F. Sloan/Steve Barri * Jim Steinman * Paul Vance/Lee Pockriss

Performer/Songwriters

Elvis Costello * Dion DiMucci * Deborah Harry/Chris Stein * Cat Stevens * Annie Lennox/Dave Stewart * Gordon Lightfoot * George Michael * Steve Miller * Lou Reed * Bob Seger * Pete Townshend * Tom Waits

3 ARTISTS WILL BE CHOSEN FROM THE NON-PERFORMERS CATEGORY AND 2 ARTISTS WILL BE CHOSEN FROM THE PERFORMERS CATEGORY.

The Songwriters Hall of Fame inducts posthumous artists the same way the Rock Hall inducts non-performers, sidemen, and early influence. You won't know who will be inducted until announcement is made.

2010 was the last year the Songwriters Hall of Fame inducted posthumous artists, which included Laura Nyro and Jesse Stone. Bert Berns and Jerry Ragovoy have been nominated numerous times in the past few years. Now they are both dead; Jerry Ragovoy died this year. I predict Bert Berns and Jerry Ragovoy will be inducted into both the Rock Hall and the Song Hall in 2012. They will join that short list of artists who were inducted into the Rock Hall and the Song Hall in the same year.

ARTISTS WHO WERE INDUCTED INTO THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME AND THE SONGWRITERS HALL OF FAME IN THE SAME YEAR:

01. 1986 - Chuck Berry
02. 1997 - Joni Mitchell
03. 1999 - Bruce Springsteen
04. 2000 - James Taylor
05. 2010 - Jesse Stone
06. 2011 - Leon Russell

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 22:19pm


http://www.songhall.org/news/entry/1281

Friday, October 14, 2011

Songwriters Hall Of Fame 2012 Nominees For Induction Announced!

New York, NY – October 14, 2011 – Jimmy Webb, Chairman of the Songwriters Hall of Fame has announced the slate of 2012 nominees for induction. The organization, which is dedicated to recognizing the work and lives of those composers and lyricists who create popular music around the world, holds annual elections to determine those who will make up the roster of inductees for the following year. Eligible voting members will have until December 12th, 2011 to turn in ballots with their choices of two nominees from a non-performer and two from a performer category. For information with which to register or renew as a voting member before November 18th in order to participate in this election, please go to songhall.org.

The 2012 Annual Awards Gala will take place at the New York Marriott Marquis on Thursday, June 14th.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.15.11 @ 06:35am


THE 2012 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME
WORST CASE SCENARIO

The Cure
Laura Nyro
Freddie King
Eric B. & Rakim
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.15.11 @ 07:47am


THE 2012 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME
WORST CASE SCENARIO

War
Laura Nyro
Freddie King
Eric B. & Rakim
Rufus with Chaka Khan

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.15.11 @ 07:52am


How can you have 2 worst case scenarios?

And in any case, a class having The Cure in it will never be worst case scenario.

Posted by rockstar23 on Saturday, 10.15.11 @ 08:08am


80s-90s Scenario

The Cure
Beastie Boys
Guns N' Roses
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.15.11 @ 08:25am


And in any case, a class having The Cure in it will never be worst case scenario.

Posted by rockstar23 on Saturday, 10.15.11 @ 08:08am

Same with Freddie King, IMO.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 10.15.11 @ 10:41am


Worst case scenario because Laura Nyro and Freddie King are dead, that is all. Eric B. & Rakim because they are rap. The Cure and Joan Jett because they are the least popular from the list of 80s-90s acts on this year nominee list. It would not be much of a show if that was the combination of inductees.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.15.11 @ 10:53am


Eric B. & Rakim because they are rap.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.15.11 @ 10:53am

Who cares if they are a rap act? It would be better than a lot of the rock acts that everyone here keeps whining about!

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 10.15.11 @ 11:00am


Holy jesus Roy, you must think the backstreet boys would be a brilliant induction because they sold a lot.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 10.15.11 @ 15:52pm


http://songhall.org/vote

The 2012 Songwriters Hall of Fame Nominees

Photos and bios added

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.16.11 @ 09:24am


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/2008_Nominees.php#11188

The above comment is over four years old now, but it is definitely worth revisiting, especially for you newer Rock Hall watchers. Take note as you make your predictions for 2012.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Tuesday, 10.18.11 @ 22:53pm


Sorry people but the Cure don't deserve to be in any Hall Of Fame

Posted by Mike Crawley on Wednesday, 10.19.11 @ 03:25am


Why not?

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 10.19.11 @ 08:03am


Mike Crawley, if you're going to play the "make statements without backing it up" game I can also partake. Here goes:

"Sorry people but the Cure don't deserve to be in any Hall Of Fame"

You're wrong.

See, I just proved you wrong. Wasn't that easy?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 10.19.11 @ 08:25am


Rock Hall Monitors predicts the inductees for the other categories:

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2011/10/dont-forget-other-categories.html

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.23.11 @ 20:09pm


Going back to Roy's "Worst Case Scenario" statement. King and Nyro's deaths are only WCS because it makes for a less exciting broadcast of the ceremonies, and because they had the least amount of sales (and name recognition) of any of the artists on here for both singles and album charts.

So if we really try to construct a WCS situation, those two are certainly possibilities. I'd also say The Small Faces / Faces and Rufus With Chaka Khan would be two horrible inductions to have because they'd actually be dignifying the joint nomination. I think it's a bad idea just because of all the backlash it causes. You've got four potentially Hall-worthy acts that you're trying to shoehorn into two inductions. It may not be unethical, but it ain't a good idea either. So I'd say those two would be candidates as well.

You could make an argument for Eric B. And Rakim, as they didn't, as someone else said, "transcend their genre", and their sales, even on the R&B scene don't stack up as well as a bunch of the other names on here. Still, I'd say that Joan Jett would be the fifth one simply because most of her hits were covers, and the Hall tends to prefer originality.

So, if Roy wants to play a WCS game, I'd say it's:
Laura Nyro
Freddie King
Rufus With Chaka Khan
The Small Faces / Faces
Joan Jett And The Blackhearts

And even that would still make a decent class. As I said, there's really no bad name on this year's list. Btw, my long-winded predictions (in analysis form) is almost done, so I'll give you guys that to chew on fairly soon, too.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.29.11 @ 16:08pm


November has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.1.11 @ 17:27pm


My prediction:

Guns N' Roses
The Cure
The Spinners
Freddie King
Laura Nyro

My full (and very long) analysis is available on Rock Hall Monitors.

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2011/11/predicting-final-five.html

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11.1.11 @ 23:12pm


here are my predictions:

Guns 'N Roses
The Cure
The Beastie Boys
Heart
The Spinners

Posted by rockstar23 on Wednesday, 11.2.11 @ 10:36am


The Small Faces / The Faces

The Inductees

Steve Marriott
Ronnie Lane
Ian McLagan
Kenney Jones
Rod Stewart
Ron Wood

I still think The Rock Hall is up to something. They nominated them as one entity, but they will induct them separately. You will see! They will bend the rules a little. Fearing one would get voted in but not the other in the same year, and they want them both inducted in the same year. Lane, McLagan and Jones will join Stephen Stills in being inducted twice in the same year. Joy Division and New Order are next and that is where it will stop. They will be nominated as Joy Division/New Order, but they will be inducted separately. You will see.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11.3.11 @ 10:34am


Wanna bet? If they get inducted, they will get in as one entity. The Hall has prided itself recently for being consistent (ya right, I know) with having 5 Main Performer inductees per year. Really, this doesn't even have to be explained.

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 11.3.11 @ 11:47am


Overall, I think rockstar is right. The joint nomination isn't settling too well even within the NomCom (at least it seems that way), but it was very clearly stated that the only induct five acts per year. It'd be nice, but it's also way too cheap a tactic.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 11.3.11 @ 15:05pm


Maybe they will vote to only induct the women this year, keeping in tune with this year's theme at the Rock Hall.

Heart
Laura Nyro
Donna Summer
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts

DOUBT IT!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11.4.11 @ 10:20am


Hope not.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 11.4.11 @ 14:51pm


That would really reek of vote tampering.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.4.11 @ 15:35pm


That would be a very weak class

Posted by Sam on Friday, 11.4.11 @ 20:15pm


Best Case Scenario:

Guns N' Roses
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Cure
Heart
Beastie Boys

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 11.8.11 @ 01:06am


Greg- Definitely not the best case scenario in my opinion. GNR and RHCP in the same class? Boring. Replace one of them with Donna Summer or the Spinners and I'd agree wholeheartedly.

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 11.8.11 @ 01:32am


How would that be boring? You get three big rock bands plus an 80's alternative band and a rap inductee.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 11.8.11 @ 02:19am


I dunno. I just like variety in the classes. I like both GNR and RHCP, and I like them about equally. But I'm not going crazy wanting to see either in.

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 11.8.11 @ 23:25pm


My votes out of those nominees would be:

Beastie Boys
The Cure
Guns N' Roses
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Donna Summer

3 honorable mentions would be:

Eric B. & Rakim
Heart
The Spinners

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 11.9.11 @ 13:21pm


I predict...

Guns N' Roses
Laura Nyro
The Cure
Beastie Boys
Donna Summer

Not exactly the best case scenario but it would be a nice class anyways.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 11.9.11 @ 20:25pm


Pretty good list of nominees this year; at least six I'd love to see inducted, and four others that wouldn't bother me at all. My predictions:
- Donovan
- Heart
- Red Hot Chili Peppers
- The Spinners
- Donna Summer

Yes, predicting a snub for Guns n' Roses. If that sounds crazy, remember how we all thought the Chili Peppers were a shoo-in two years ago. And the Beasties were a shoo-in four years ago.

Posted by A-Killa on Thursday, 11.10.11 @ 14:59pm


Haven't been around much and just got a chance to read this thread through.

My ballot would look something like:

The Cure
Guns N' Roses (I'm not as mystified by the first ballot thing as some are)
Beastie Boys
The Spinners
Freddie King

Honorable mention:

Eric B. & Rakim
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Donna Summer

Also, to Philip: I enjoyed reading all of your blogs. Very fair and lucid. They were refreshing to read after some of the garbage floating around by so many so called experts who have little more to say than the average main stream news site message board whiner. (See many of the Twitter links above for examples.)

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 11.11.11 @ 23:38pm


I agree. A good portion of those Twitter links are mostly grown men PMS'ing.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 11.12.11 @ 05:01am


I like how you'd vote, Darin. Of course, considering four of those five are how I'd vote too, that shouldn't be surprising.

Thanks for the kind words, too. I don't consider myself an expert, but I do try to be fair and even-handed with my predictions and critiques.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 11.12.11 @ 07:10am


I agree. A good portion of those Twitter links are mostly grown men PMS'ing.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 11.12.11 @ 05:01am


The one Twitter link that kind of amuses me is Doc McGhee's otherwise boring, cliche rant. But, his hyperbolic Ethiopian sax player that's supposedly been inducted sounds far more enjoyable and listenable to me than KISS or Bon Jovi. I kinda wish the guy really existed.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 11.12.11 @ 15:34pm


I always thought KISS's first 3 albums (KISS, Hotter Than Hell, Dressed To Kill) were prime pieces of 70s hard rock, on par with Aerosmith and AC/DC. Back then they still had some musical integrity and Gene Simmons didn't act (openly, at least) like a self-righteous douche. Anything post-Alive! isn't necessarily bad, it just isn't really respectable.

And I can enjoy Bon Jovi's music, but only in the same way I can enjoy an Ed Wood film: with my tongue firmly in cheek.

My ballot would probably look something like:

The Spinners
The Cure
Heart
Freddie King
Red Hot Chili Peppers

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 11.12.11 @ 22:30pm


That would be a pretty solid class, Jim.

I'll admit that Heart is one of those bands that has me tripping over myself to change the channel when they come on, but objectively I couldn't really make a case against them.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 11.12.11 @ 23:05pm


I actually feel the same way about Heart, but only because I can't go a 5 hour shift without hearing any 2 of the unholy combination of Never, These Dreams, Magic Man and or What About Love. So its more overexposure than anything else. I feel the same way about Bruce Springsteen and Phil Collins.

With that being said, I fully expect the hall to continue its method of "1 step forward, 2 steps back" and only induct GNR and the Spinners while inducting something like The Small Faces/Faces, Donovan and Joan Jett (god forbid the latter).

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 11.12.11 @ 23:35pm


I fear that your concern is well founded. This year we have a ballot of more current A listers competing with older B and C listers, but I have sneaking suspicion that the make up of the voting committe is still far more regressive than the make up of the actual ballot.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 11.13.11 @ 00:14am


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5sAWI0GI5w&feature=youtu.be&t=11m28s

From this interview on VH1 Classic's That Metal Show it doesn't appear that Axl Rose would have a problem performing with the original members of Guns N' Roses at the Rock Hall induction ceremony, although he wasn't asked that question directly. He just talks about how he inducted Elton John and Bernie Taupin back in 1994. Bernie Taupin wasn't actually inducted though.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11.13.11 @ 04:26am


"I'll admit that Heart is one of those bands that has me tripping over myself to change the channel when they come on" - DarinRG

"I actually feel the same way about Heart" - Jim

Me three. I can't ever listen to "Barracuda" without cringing slightly (yes, I said it). But I have nothing against Heart potentially getting inducted (in fact, I'm pretty sure they will be).

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 11.13.11 @ 07:01am


Heh, that interview was about the most sane and balanced Axl's been when in public in recent years.

Agreed about Heart. Until I actually went digging deeper, I'd yet to hear a Heart song I liked. Don't like "Barracuda" or "Magic Man", and especially not "These Dreams," "Alone," or that Swiffer jingle. But I do like "If Looks Could Kill" and can stand "Who Will You Run To".

Donovan wouldn't be a bad selection, honestly. I wouldn't be upset if he got it. SF/F, I have the issue of because of all the hoopla there is regarding the joint nomination issue. I just wish it would die (the hoopla, and the joint nomination actually). JJ&tB, while I like their stuff, just aren't all that deserving. I'd be happy to use her songs to represent a Non-Performer's contributions, but the band itself just doesn't merit it, imo.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.13.11 @ 09:17am


There could possibly be two or three bands with 10 or more members each inducted next year.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.15.11 @ 17:53pm


MY FINAL PREDICTION

THE 2012 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

Heart
Laura Nyro
Freddie King
Guns N' Roses
The Small Faces/The Faces

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11.17.11 @ 07:51am


The Rock and Roll Hall of Shame.

Where the heck is Yes, Jethro Tull, Deep Purple, Rush or the Moody Blues?

From this list I would induct:
Heart
Joan Jett
The Small Faces/the Faces
Donovan
Freddie King

Guns and Roses and The Beastie Boys? Really? If Guns and Roses has accomplished enough to get in then Bad Company should get in. GnR is no where near the class or accomplishments or longevity of Purple, Tull, Yes or Rush.

Posted by Vince on Thursday, 11.17.11 @ 10:26am


I'm almost surprised at the lukewarm response the Small Faces/Faces nomination has gotten. Between the two incarnations of that collective there were some GREAT albums ('Ogden's Nut...', 'The Long Player', etc.). These bands are a no-brainer for me.

Posted by Chalkie on Tuesday, 11.22.11 @ 23:33pm


My "vote"...

The Small Faces/Faces
Eric B. & Rakim
The Cure
Beastie Boys

as for my fifth...

Laura Nyro/The Spinners/Guns N Roses (pick one)

Posted by Chalkie on Tuesday, 11.22.11 @ 23:36pm


Donna Summer wouldn't be that bad a choice either. Freddie King is interesting but there's too many of his ilk that belong in before him.

Posted by Chalkie on Tuesday, 11.22.11 @ 23:37pm


Chalkie, the reason the response has been so lukewarm is because people don't particularly care for the joint nomination. Many feel that they were two separate bands, and should be nominated separately and inducted separately, and inducting them with one blanket induction is a disservice to both bands.

That's why it's so lukewarm.

And interesting picks, FRL.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 11.23.11 @ 13:17pm


As someone born in 1950, I have been following rock and roll since the early days.

Beastie Boys - THAT'S NOT ROCK AND ROLL.
GNR - Not enough longevity, 2-3 albums and then poof!

Donna Summer? Laura Nyro? Donovan? What are you guys smoking?

Heart - Slam dunk
Freddie King - Overdue
War - Sketchy
The Cure - not nearly successful enough
Joan Jett - really? Joan Jett? before the Doobie Brothers, she's a one hit wonder!

Faces/Small Faces - OK but where is Humble Pie??


Posted by Bobby Rogers on Monday, 11.28.11 @ 10:49am


The hall ain't just rock and roll.

Posted by GFW on Monday, 11.28.11 @ 11:01am


http://rockhall.com/get-involved/interact/poll/

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will announce the 2012 inductees on December 15th at 10:30am.

Who gave you this information?

The Rock Hall closed the poll!!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.29.11 @ 17:43pm


Bobby Rogers: That's the biggest mess I've experienced since I heard samples of that Lou Reed-Metallica collaboration.

First, you say that the Beastie Boys weren't Rock 'n' Roll. Well, if we were limiting to it to the original sound then we'd be halting all inductions after the Stones, with the exception of early Aerosmith and maybe AC/DC. Check Your Head and Licensed To Ill are both as much rock as they are rap (sampling isn't just limited to rap, and those albums do use guitars).

Second, you state that GNR weren't around long enough? Exhibit B for the jury, Buddy Holly. Notwithstanding that the key four in that band were together for six years (and three of those four for eight) and put out three albums and two EP's. Somewhat more than the flash in the pan you're implying.

Then you make the textbook error of telling us that The Cure weren't succesful enough. Define "succesful enough". If we're talking The Beatles, Madonna type success we'd have only 10-15 inductees. Smith and co. had 14 top 20 albums (11 Top 10) in the UK, with 7 and 2 respectively in the US. Since people bang on about singles being "important": 21 Top 40's (11 Top 20's and 4 Top 10's) in the UK. Granted, only 3 in the US (notwithstanding how huge Lovesong was), but 13 on the Modern Rock Tracks Chart, including 4 #1's. Those numbers are very good for their style.

Thirdly, try doing some research before calling someone a "one-hit wonder". In the case of Joan Jett, you were off by 8 if you were referring to Top 40's and off by 2 (Crimson and Clover and I Hate Myself For Loving You) with Top 10's. Try again.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 11.29.11 @ 19:16pm


After reading most of these, alot of the old timers are disregarding RHCP. They never have a bad song, always a distinctive style and one of the best guitarists out there. They have managed to stay popular and cool for 25 years.If you live in L.A. you know the sound of the streets IS RHCP.

Posted by Jimmy on Wednesday, 11.30.11 @ 15:11pm


"alot of the old timers are disregarding RHCP. They never have a bad song"--Jimmy

"Scar Tissue" and "Under The Bridge" are awful songs. "Scar Tissue" makes my Five Worst (Non-Ke$ha) Songs Ever Recorded

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 11.30.11 @ 18:11pm


That's really, really harsh Phillip. Neither song deserves to be called awful. "Scar Tissue" is a melodic and mellow masterpiece that meshes the anthem and the ballad. I have no clue how old you are, but maybe it's a generational thing when it comes to having a spot in your heart for it. If I were to poll every person I went to school with (I graduated high school in 2010) and restrict them to a list of songs in the Song Project, it'd be one of the most beloved, respected, and highly voted choices. Popularity =/= a good song, but I just think that's a hyperbolic and harsh statement.

To each his own, I suppose, but surely you can easily think of hundreds worse non-Ke$ha songs. I certainly can.

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Wednesday, 11.30.11 @ 20:28pm


Paul, I was the prime demographic for "Scar Tissue" when it first came out: a White male as an undergraduate in college. And I hated "Scar Tissue" from first listen. The descending "wah" that was at the end of every line in the verses, the joylessness of the vocals, it basically being a re-working of "Under The Bridge"... I don't know why you call it an anthem, but to me, it's an anthem of crawling on your belly in the middle of the most desolate spot in the desert, condemned to die of thirst. I can do without that, thank you very much.

FWIW though, ST only makes #5 on that list.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 11.30.11 @ 22:21pm


What's interesting is that now the Hall's website is featuring a public poll. They actually care now?

Posted by Lucario on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 01:26am


Red Hot Chili Peppers (surprised they're not in already)
Beastie Boys (obligatory hip hop act)
Laura Nyro (obligatory who the crap is that act)
Donna Summer (obligatory R&B act)
The Faces (Rod Stewart)

Posted by Lucario on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 01:32am


I like "Under the Bridge" and "Scar Tissue" is alright, but I can understand why someone wouldn't like the vocal on "Scar Tissue." Paul, I think Philip mentioned somewhere recently that RHCP were to him what Kiss where to Dave Marsh.

I don't know if there is a moderately respectable act (this "respectable" part disqualifies the KeSha's/Soulja Boy's/Milli Vanilli's of the world) I feel that way towards myself, though. Maybe.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 04:22am


Make that "Kiss IS to Dave Marsh" I don't Marsh is changing his mind anytime soon!

Same with Wenner and the Monkees and everybody else he doesn't like.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 04:23am


FWIW though, ST only makes #5 on that list.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 11.30.11 @ 22:21pm

Care to share the other 4, Philip? I'm curious, that's all. I think I already know one ("Physical")

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 04:26am


December has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 07:27am


Paul, I was the prime demographic for "Scar Tissue" when it first came out: a White male as an undergraduate in college.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 11.30.11 @ 22:21pm
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You don't mind if I ask you a question here. This is totally unrelated to RHCP, as it were.

Last week, on the Vanilla Fudge page (I believe), you spoke about the band Poison, and in doing so you inferred that the pop-metal era was in essence the era you grew up in.

I am wondering about this. Reading your post above, you would've been completely out of range of the late-80's timeframe. I am several yrs. older than you, judging by some of your postings. I have a full knowledge of the era (as I noted, first albums were Ozzy & Dokken, + my beloved King Diamond phase).

I was already in the working world by the time the Chili's released "Scar Tissue". Unless you possess a time machine of some considerable power, there's no way you could've experienced the era, at least in a relevant manner. The time frames you describe simply don't synch up correctly.

Unless you are attempting to relive a past you never had, something doesn't make sense here.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 07:48am


I'm a big Chili Peppers fan, and own all of their albums back to Blood Sugar Sex Magik, as well as their early compilation What Hits?, but I can see where Under the Bridge and Scar Tissue would irritate anyone who doesn't like Anthony Kiedis' voice.

I am more of a fan of their rhythm section personally, and feel that Kiedis is definitely the weakest link in the band (I'm not putting him down, but I feel his talent as a frontman is better than his talent as a singer), but I think his vocals are good enough that they don't prevent me from loving their music.

I really like both songs, but Kiedis hits some borderline cringe worthy notes in them. If that's where Philip's hatred of the band stems from, then as much as I don't agree with his opinion, I most certainly get it. :)

Posted by BSLO on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 09:06am


Hey Cheese, it's a fair question. The simple fact is I had older siblings who impressed their love of '80s hair metal upon me while I was just starting grade school. My oldest brother (11 years older than me) was in the KISS army, and my slightly older brother (2.5 years) was also into GnR and Van Halen as well. I also grew up with NKOTB, embarrasingly enough, thanks to a teenage sister (5.5 years ahead). Somehow, I got both of those worlds.

Tahvo, my top five most annoying non-Ke$ha songs:

5. "Scar Tissue" by the Red Hot Chili Peppers
4. "Ring My Bell" by Anita Ward
3. "I Love Onions" by Susan Christie
2. "Sunglasses At Night" by Corey Hart
1. "Physical" by Olivia Newton-John

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 09:11am


Oh snap, sunglasses at night! that was the first song I ever added to my spotify playlist!

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 12:23pm


For me, the most annoying would probably be "Ghostbusters," thanks for sharing, Philip.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 12:25pm


Yeah, it's pretty subjective. But if you've never heard the obscure "I Love Onions", don't EVER listen to it. I'm serious. Susan herself is a good enough singer but the song is just SO AWFUL in terms of writing, production, instrumentation....when you hear novelty songs like that, you quickly appreciate the genius that is "Weird" Al Yankovic.

BSLO hit it perfectly. On the Vanilla Fudge thread, I said the voice is the most important instrument. If I can't enjoy the singer's voice, it ruins my ability to enjoy the band. That's why I'm not into most B-list punk acts... the ability for the vocalist to be in the same key as the guitars does not seem to be of overarching importance. That's also why I'm not big on potentially Hall-worthy acts like System Of A Down or the White Stripes, and why I was so hot for the amazing voice of Darlene Love and really rooting for the Spinners this year. But I still feel that calling "Scar Tissue" a mere re-write of "Under The Bridge" is a pretty fair assessment.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 14:28pm


Yeah, most of the songs that have me running for the door or under the bed I hate because of the vocals/vocal deliveries, examples include but are not limited to:

"Hand in My Pocket" by Alanis Morissette
"If I Had $1,000,000" by Barenaked Ladies
"Mr. Roboto" by Styx
and the immortal "She Blinded Me With Science" by Thomas Dolby

And let's not forget about "Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm" by Crash Test Dummies (on shear stupidity alone but the vocal, THE VOCAL) or "American Life" by Madonna.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 14:36pm


I'm probably coming from the opposite direction here. Rock is in the instrumentation, and a band's sound & style matter. It's not that I don't mind the vocals, but I've often felt that the vocals should fit the collective whole of a band. If the voice fits the style, then more power to the act.


BTW - How can you hate Ghostbusters, Tahvo? That's an awesome song!

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 18:18pm


Cheese, all those things are important, I'm not saying they're not. I'm saying what makes a band and their songs listenable (not necessarily good from an objective point-of-view, but subjectively listenable), at least for me, relies quite heavily on the vocals, and whether or not I can stand them. A good couple of examples would be Neil Sedaka and Paul Anka: two singer/songwriters in the early days of rock'n'roll (hey hipsters, they were singer/songwriters berfore it was COOL to be a singer/songwriter!) Both have voices that most either love or hate. Myself: I love Sedaka and hate Anka. They have very simiar songs in the form of "You Are My Destiny" and "You Mean Everything To Me". Both have a haunting type of ambience/arrangement, quite comparable in several ways. But Sedaka's song gives me chills while Anka's gives me a headache.

In the case of instrumentals, the entire arrangement has greater overall impact, but the lead instrument carries the melody, and that's the most memorable part. That said, there aren't too many instrumentals I don't like.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 19:55pm


And again, these aren't hard-and-fast rules. Sometimes I'll like a song more for its beat or guitar line more than the voice, but just as a general rule.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 19:58pm


BTW - How can you hate Ghostbusters, Tahvo? That's an awesome song!

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 12.1.11 @ 18:18pm

Hate is a strong word, I suppose what I really meant was REALLY ANNOYING. As to why, it's probably because I heard it too much as a kid and it just really got to me eventually. (The annoying voices are what ruin the song for me more so than Parker's vocals).

I used to dislike the "Monster Mash" as well, but that song grew on me and now I appreciate it for what it is.

Hope this clarifies things ;)

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 12.2.11 @ 04:50am


Personally, I don't get any of these nominations & possible inductions, at least at this point in time. The Politcally Correct group want to make sure that Hip-Hop and Disco are covered. Okay - I see that, but not when there are so many RnR bands who truly influenced music long before them are still out there. Joan Jett, my favorite should be nominated with the Runaways, not the Blackhearts. Guns seems to be an obvious choice, but there are too many bands who influenced them who have yet to be inducted. I am hoping for the Cure to get in. The Small Faces and Faces are two different bands. And I am sorry and mean no disrespect to the Disco crowd, but the whole point of that genre as it grew out of the underground Gay Club scene basically became the anti-Rock and Roll scene. I just don't see it.

Thinking out loud; there is still zero respect for:

King Crimson (Godfathers of Prog)
ELP (Crossed prog over to mainstream)
Deep Purple (No need to explain)
NY Dolls (Influenced punk and 80's glam)
Suzi Quatro (She tore it up - influenced many)
Runaways (First real and true rockin chicks)
Cheap Trick (Beatles meet Hard Rock)
Rush (Not my favorite - but they belong)
Motorhead (Lemmy is Godfather of Thrash)
Iron Maiden (Early influence to Thrash)
Def Leppard (Changed the whole of the 80's)
Joy Division (Post-punk kings)

Criteria for the Hall: Innovation, Influence and Perpetuation of the artform known as Rock and Roll. All the bands listed above meet various parts of this criteria.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 12.2.11 @ 10:10am


I'd add kraftwerk to that.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 12.2.11 @ 12:07pm


woah woah woah.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 12.2.11 @ 14:58pm


Damn Chalkie, that was both callow AND uncalled-for

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 12.2.11 @ 15:03pm


A bit harsh perhaps, but that's such a typical macho, meathead, rawkist, racist, homophobic viewpoint and I'm sick of it.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 12.2.11 @ 15:05pm


Since the comment was deleted I've no idea what happened, so I'm keeping clear of this one until some clarification arrives.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 12.3.11 @ 18:47pm


Sam, basically Chalkie got really mad at Dameon for his comment about Disco and used a lot of profanity. GFW also made a comment about Constanza (I assume he was referring to George Constanza) which also got deleted. Not sure why, maybe FRL thought it was spam.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 12.4.11 @ 01:33am


The whole constanza.jpg thing was a refrence to 4chans music board, guess no one else here visits it.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 12.4.11 @ 06:42am


FROM BRUCE ON DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

It's fckng hopeless with voters like this.

I've been emailing back and forth with Terry Stewart, the CEO of the hall of fame. He buys records from me. He says that the commitee to assess the older artists nominate Roy Brown and Wynonie Harris every year, but they never get put on the ballot by the main nominating committee. He is personally pushing every year for the Mills Brothers and Ravens as early infleunces, but that's going nowhere either. Then there's the Clovers and the Dominoes who are still waiting.

Then there's sht like the whole Dave Clark 5 fiasco a few years ago, and stories of doo wop groups being voted in, but not getting inducted because they want a more modern act that will draw some people to the dinner instead.

The biggest problem with things is that there is no transparency. They don't tell the public who is on these nominating commitees, and they don't tell the public how many votes each nominee got, or anything like that.

The whole thing has just become one big farce.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.4.11 @ 08:02am


Future Rock Legends Predicts the 2012 Rock Hall Inductees

The Spinners
The Small Faces/The Faces
Heart
Freddie King
Guns N’ Roses

YOU COULD ACTUALLY BE RIGHT ON ALL 5 THIS TIME!!!

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.4.11 @ 09:15am


Chalkie - I didn't have the pleasure about reading your rant, but there is nothing homophobic about my comment. The origins of Disco are exactly as I stated. All I did was bring some historical content to the origins of what was to become Disco. That is not a knock on the anything. My point is that the bands who followed up the formula that was coming from that scene and crossed it over became a musical style that was very anti-Rock and Roll and for the most part, s*cked musically. Sorry - do the Hustle doesn't cut it for me.

My comment had zero to do with gays and all to do with the crap music. I am sorry, but I do not see why Donna Summer should ever be inducted before true legends of the music scene.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 12.4.11 @ 11:50am


One last thought - for many of us who have been coming to this site/forum to express our opinion for a number of years have basically accepted the fact that they named it the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for lack of anything else, but that we should basically consider it a music Hall of Fame. I thought about that recently and am now asking the question, why? One day there will be a Hip-Hop Hall of Fame. I believe there is a Country Music Hall of Fame already. There is a Motown Museum. There is zero chance that any true Rock Bands with the very rare exception will ever be put into any of these. So why does Rock and Roll have to be watered down?

I understand Run-DMC and Grandmaster Flash to a point. But what are the chances of Anthrax or Aerosmith ever being inducted into a Hip-Hop Hall. I am thinking slim to none. I hope I am wrong, but I would be willing to make that bet if I am still alive when that day comes. And someone correct me if I am wrong, but do the Beatles appear in the Motown Museum considering Smokey and Gordy both site the Beatles as a major influence and loved when the Beatles remade a couple of their songs. Just as the Beatles sited Motown.

Do you know that Page and Plant have not been inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame! Ray Davies as well! But get this, Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora have. Someone explain this to me. And it is not an American HoF as all members of Queen, Lennon, McCartney, etc have all been inducted.

The RnR Hall has an issue with Hard Rock/Metal and Prog. And I feel perfectly comfortable when I say that this is b.s. And Disco should not be inducted until the true snubs of RnR have been. Call me a RnR snob - sorry.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 12.4.11 @ 12:23pm


The whole Disco vs. Rock debate is incredibly tedious. It's the musical equivalent of a high school debate. I don't see any relevance to the origins of disco music. If it started in the gay club scene, so what? Good music is good music, period. But beyond being highly outdated, this attitude points to the narrow, anti-progessive stance of traditional rock and roll, and better still, its fans. Rock is literally on its last legs today, and you can point precisely to this narrow attitude, the idea that rock is a form of perpetual nostalgia, that rock music must subscribe to a standard blueprint and that any deviation is heretical. Think of the best bands/artsist of the last 40 years: The Clash, the Talking Heads, Roxy Music, David Bowie etc. Every one of them was willing to experiment and cross over. It demonstrates yet again the baleful stupidity of the whole "authenticity" question. Was there very cheesy disco music (Disco Duck anyone?)? Of course. But the best elements of it, such as the electronic eurodance we saw in the Moroder/Donna Summer collaborations, were not frivolous at all. So while I appreciate the "holier than thou, keeper of the sacred flame" attitide of "true" rock fans, I hope you realize that such an attitide has helped mightily to kill very whole genre you profess to love.

Posted by astrodog on Sunday, 12.4.11 @ 12:24pm


Disco has cast a surprisingly non-cheesy legacy (New Order, anyone)?

I'm pretty sure Run D.M.C. and Public Enemy would bring up Aerosmith and Anthrax (respectively) if a Hip-Hop Hall Of Fame were to be started, and both would have a borderline chance of getting in as early influences. Like how Cream would be an early influence in a Metal Hall Of Fame.

Signed,

The (attempted) arbiter of reason

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 12.4.11 @ 13:08pm


The rock and rall part of the name has been moot since they inducted aretha franklin amongst others. It's pretty much a popular music hall of fame.

Also rock ain't dead. Indie rock is now at its msot popular, rock acts are still the biggest concert draws, and rocka cts in the traditional sense are still being formed, they just aren't getting airplay.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 12.4.11 @ 13:42pm


More from Bruce

They get recommended for nomination by a special commitee every year. The commitee is supposed to evaluate old time artists who may have been overlooked, 50s and earlier artists. But every year the main nominating committee refuses to do anything with Wynonie and Roy. The way Terry Stewart was talking they have no chance of getting in under the current system.

Part of the problem is that unlike Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, and Robert Johnson, Wynonie and Roy were not big influences on any white guitar rock and rollers of the 60s. Their influences was directly to other black artists, like Jackie Wilson, who sings very similarly to Roy Brown, and James Brown, who recorded a couple Wynonie songs. Both were also influences on Elvis, but because none of their precious Eric Claptons or Keith Richards ever mentions Roy or Wynonie, these hippie schmucks who run the HOF are not really aware of their influence.

These 60s British guys were mainly guitar players, so they were not very influenced by 1940s R&B stars who were just frontmen. Elvis of course was influenced by those guys, but since their influence did not extend to 60s white rockers, it is discounted by these schmucks.

From "Fever," Susan Whitall's recently-published biography of Little Willie John.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.4.11 @ 15:38pm


GFW, it's just disheartening that your definition of "Rock And Roll" is so limited. Soul, Motown, British Invasion... it's all part of Rock And Roll as far as I'm concerned.

Regarding the name, with regards to its artists, imo, it's not just about artists who were rockers, but also those that were influential upon rock and roll music (or rock, if you prefer). There's gotta be more justification why artists like Streisand or Jim Brickman don't belong other than the NomCom/powers-that-be don't like them. It can't just be "Popular Music" either, or else truly deserving candidates like Tom Waits or the Stooges could never deserve to be inducted because they were never all that popular.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12.4.11 @ 19:42pm


One last thought - for many of us who have been coming to this site/forum to express our opinion for a number of years have basically accepted the fact that they named it the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for lack of anything else, but that we should basically consider it a music Hall of Fame. I thought about that recently and am now asking the question, why? One day there will be a Hip-Hop Hall of Fame. I believe there is a Country Music Hall of Fame already. There is a Motown Museum. There is zero chance that any true Rock Bands with the very rare exception will ever be put into any of these. So why does Rock and Roll have to be watered down?

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 12.4.11 @ 12:23pm
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Agree w/you 100%.

My feeling is that the folks running the show are obsessed w/the idea that rock is the centerpiece of all these genres, & not an outgrowth of them. In the case of blues & country, you'd have to argue against that, obviously. Inducting blues & country pioneers, pre-1954, is a smart thing to do. That being said, inducting anyone for whom a direct link to the modern rock of an era cannot be found, would be completely wrong. If a blues or country artist runs parallel to a rock era, while clearly influencing those around him (Buck Owens is a great example), then o.k., go for it. If they're just running parallel, but have no real influence, then pass.

In the case of hip-hop, I'm convinced the Hall simply wants to be on good terms w/this style. Somehow they must think that by going out of their way to embrace it, the rappers will think their "cool", or some such nonsense. If you want to put the early rappers in there, the ones from the first 10-12 years or so, o.k. You can justify it as following a creative branch on the rock & roll tree. Outside of that, there's no reason to induct anyone else, as hip-hop has always insisted it wants to be seen as separate from rock & roll. I don't see any modern rappers as considering rock to be cool; why are they suddenly going to embrace older rock in such a manner? (providing they don't hear samples & see dollar signs lol).

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 12.5.11 @ 05:59am


My original prediction still stands. Guns 'n Roses, The Cure, Beastie Boys, Heart and Red Hot Chili Peppers. I believe there's no chance that will happen, but I do believe that's it the best group of five to choose mathematically and that at least three will be inducted.

If the prediction from Future Rock Legends turns out to be entirely correct, I will shoot myself in the face.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 12.5.11 @ 22:24pm


Dang, they'll most likely be announced when I'm just getting my work day going. Of all the groups, I'm really hoping the strongest for the Spinners to make it. I'm more worried about either of the joint nominations getting inducted just because I worry about the can of worms it stands to open.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12.5.11 @ 23:30pm


If the prediction from Future Rock Legends turns out to be entirely correct, I will shoot myself in the face. - Casper

Agreed, that would be a really dreary class. I wouldn't make a case against any of those acts if they were sprinkled in amongst stronger classes with more big name contemporary representation or more adventurous choices, but they make for a really boring collective.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.5.11 @ 23:45pm


Unfortunately, most of the published ballots that I've seen are even worse.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.5.11 @ 23:46pm


Eddie Trunk posted on Twitter:" I have it from a very good source that @gunsnroses will get inducted for the R&R Hall 1st time eligible when officially announced this Wed."

Posted by LordKel on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 02:09am


I'm pretty much going in line with Future Rock Legends for my predicted inductees, but with one difference.

My final predictions for the 2012 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees are as follows:

Guns N' Roses
Heart
Freddie King
The Small Faces/Faces
War


The Spinners and Donovan, I think would be the other two top choices to slide in (The Spinners in place of War, and Donovan in place of the Small Faces/Faces). Getting the shaft once again will be the Beastie Boys, Donna Summer, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Laura Nyro. The Cure, Eric B. and Rakim, Rufus and Chaka Kahn, and Joan Jett and the Blackhearts will have to wait for a second nomination at least.


Guns N' Roses will get the induction, because they're one of the biggest acts in music over the last 25 years and will headline the ceremony. The Hall would be nuts to not induct them. The whole pop culture world will be paying attention to the ceremony to see if Axl Rose will reunite with Slash and the other former members, or get in a huge brawl onstage.


Heart will get the induction to represent females in the HOF, and because they were admired and respected by their peers, many who are currently in the HOF and I'm sure voted for them. Not to mention their influence on future female acts (including fellow nominee Joan Jett), and also many of the Seattle-based grunge bands from the late 1980's/early 1990's.


Freddie King will get the induction because anytime a classic blues artist is nominated, he gets in on his first try. Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, B.B. King, John Lee Hooker, Jimmy Reed, and Buddy Guy are just some of the blues artists to be inducted. Freddie King was another blues guitar great, consistently makes "Greatest Guitarists of All-Time lists" and was a major influence on rock-guitar gods like Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Keith Richards, etc. And Stevie Ray Vaughan who will be inducted the moment he's nominated.


GNR, Freddie King, and Heart, to me are the three locks.


War I think will get the induction over the Spinners because they are more respected in rock circles, as they were a full fledged band who played instruments, wrote their own tunes, and combined funk and rock music effortlessly. While the Spinners, while great, were just a vocal group. I think more of the musicians who are HOF inductees will go towards voting for a talented, R&B band, rather than a talented, R&B vocal group. Plus War has been nominated once before. So to represent R&B, I think War will get the induction. Though don't be surprised to see the Spinners get the induction instead to represent more 1970's Philly soul into the HOF (which presently only has the O'Jays as an inductee).


The final inductee was a tough call between Donovan and the Small Faces/Faces. However, I'm gonna go with the Small Faces because the groups were filled with highly respected members both living and deceased. Steve Marriott and Ronnie Lane were two of the most beloved and respected musicians of the 1960's British rock scene, a scene that included many now Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees. I'm sure 100% of the HOF inductees that were part of that scene will want to honor Steve Marriott and Ronnie Lane for the first time. In addition to that, the later incarnation of the group (The Faces) featured Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood two rock legends who haven't performed together in many years and are both current RNRHOF inductees. I'm sure many of the HOF inductees and the other voters on the Voting Committee would love to see a reunion of the Faces, which Rod Stewart has promised will happen if they're inducted. So I'm going with the Small Faces/Faces. If they don't get the induction, then it will be Donovan instead to represent 1960's British Rock. Donovan was also a highly respected member of the '60s British scene, and I'll bet the living Beatles (Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr) voted for him. Jimmy Page might've as well as he worked with him.


The Cure, the Beastie Boys, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers will be passed over because most of the voters on the Voting Committee are too old to recognize alternative rock. The Red Hot Chili Peppers have the best chance of the three because they have watered their sound down over the years to cross over into just general rock which the older voters can appreciate. But they're just not going to get the nod over Guns N' Roses which will be too much of a draw.


Rufus and Chaka Kahn won't get the nod over the Spinners or War, as they're not as recognizable and didn't have as many hits as the said groups. Donna Summer will be passed over again, because the voters still have a huge bias against disco (probably even moreso than on rap and alternative rock). It's going to be extremely tough I think for Donna Summer to ever get into the HOF which is a shame. Laura Nyro will be passed over because she is too obscure. Joan Jett will be passed over in favor of Heart who were much more influential and more respected by the present HOF inductees. Eric B. and Rakim are a hardcore hip-hop act through and through which will get no love from the present classic rock era HOF inductees (can you imagine Jimmy Page, Keith Richards, and Eric Clapton voting for Eric B. and Rakim? Absolutely not.)

That's my take on it. We'll see what happens.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 04:04am


To be honest, the only thing I'm hoping is that the Small Faces/Faces don't make it. As someone who, deep down and in spite of all our complaining here, loves the R&RHoF, I think the nomination is a terrible idea. If inducted, it will be their worst mistake.

Which is why I'm sure Percy Sledge voted for them.

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 04:18am


Interesting Donnie, out of my original predictions, the only ones I would be willing to bet money on are GNR, Heart and Freddie King which you mention as locks. My original predictions still stand (although I'm less convinced about RHCP's chances now)

My original predictions were the following:

Guns 'N Roses
Heart
Freddie King
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Beastie Boys

I would love for the Cure to get in, but I can't see the Hall recognizing them on first nomination. I'm actually less convinced about the Beastie Boys as well and could see them going for The Small Faces/The Faces over either RHCP or the Beasties.

Oh well, we'll see soon enough.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 04:24am


If I was voting, I would vote for the Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses, Heart, Donna Summer, and the Spinners. Though I would have no problem with the Cure, RHCP, or War taking place of the Spinners. I wouldn't mind Donovan in the RRHOF as well. Laura Nyro I don't feel is worthy, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts aren't near as deserving as many other acts looking on the outside, Chaka Kahn and Rufus, eh, probably deserving, but I just wouldn't vote for them. Same with the Small Faces/Faces and Freddie King. Eric B. and Rakim I'm not sure should be in. They're one of the most important groups in rap history, but I'm not sure they're big enough or associated enough with rock music to represent rap. They weren't near as influential on rock music as Run-DMC, Public Enemy, and the Beastie Boys are, and they aren't near as big of names as Jay-Z, 2Pac, or Eminem.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 09:06am


Re: Eddie Trunk... think Axl leaked to him?

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 09:31am


A while back I made for my predictions:

-Beasties
-GNR
-RHCP
-Faces/Small Faces
-Donna Summer

Despite reservations I'm going to stand by these picks. I must offer an apology on the reasoning for the 4th pick, however. I'd picked them because of the Hall's 60's fetish, without being familiar with them. I knew a couple of Faces songs but nothing about Small Faces. My loss.

I tried from the beginning with their first album, and didn't feel it. Marriott could sure sing (I totally understood the Robert Plant comparisons), I could hear where they influenced The Jam and I thought they were pretty good R&B players, but not much else that The Who or the Stones or The Spencer Davis Group weren't doing better. Second album same thing, though it is more evolved and it shows that they had some ideas. However, I'm on Ogden's Nut Gone Flake now, and... I like it, though it'll take a few listens for the concept to sink in and the spoken word bits are annoying. When they hit their peak on here it's better than The Beatles' psychedelia (yeah, I said it) and probably even on Pink Floyd. I can also see why people go on about their influence. I'm not sure why Blur were compared to them, and I think the so-called "influence on Oasis" was more just to do with Noel being a fan, but that aside it is clear, even though I don't like either, that Lazy Sunday and Rene were ahead of their time in that they partially laid down some blueprint for Britpop.

If all this sounds back-handed, it's not personal; it's more the ramblings of a new listener just being curious and calling it as he hears it on first listens. Count me in for their induction now, though I'm not sure if I'd vote for them this time.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 17:32pm


Keep an eye on our twitter feed... Leaks are opening everywhere.

Posted by FRL on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 18:35pm


No comments on DC's Percy Sledge joke? It got me laughing.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 23:54pm


No comments on DC's Percy Sledge joke? It got me laughing.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 23:54pm

Well, thank you. I'm only witty once a month, and I was afraid it was going to go to waste! LOL


Re: The Cleveland Inductees not in our HoF:

It's really funny how much we expanded the non-performer category here, and Cleveland still manages to choose people we didn't induct. It's like they're messing with us.

Posted by DC on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 00:44am


I'm confused about the information. How did it get leaked on the New York Daily News, which seems to be the culprit of who is picked for induction? Not saying I don't believe those in that article are to be inducted but it just seems strange to me. Why would they leak something like that?

Posted by Tim on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 00:49am



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