Some of the comments made by the so- called 'music experts' on this threat make me laugh.

I have followed this band since the early days of White Clover and Saratoga, and the fact that, not only have they made a conscious decision to not write music that is chart-centric, but are preparing to celebrate their 40th Anniversary as a band, speaks volumes. If you don't like their music, you have every right not to. But the impact they have made on the evolution of not only music is general, but progressive rock in particular, is undeniable. That being said, they are likely never going to be inducted into the R&RHOF, simply because Jann Wenner is not a fan of progressive rock in any form. No matter. Their work will stand on it's own...for many years to come.

Posted by RyanL Stone on Thursday, 04/18/2013 @ 17:46pm

Carl Perkins got in for Blue Suede Shoes. Kansas can get in for Dust in the Wind. Those of us that were around in the 1970s remember how gigantically dominating they were.

Posted by Rockhall Gordo on Sunday, 05/5/2013 @ 20:36pm

Since Rush has now been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, expect many of their prog rock brethren to follow. It has been said by Tommy Shaw that his song, 'Man In The Wilderness' was inspired by Kansas. What appealed to me most about Kansas was Robby Steinhardt's violin and Kerry Livgren's songwriting acumen.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05/6/2013 @ 00:05am

The first time I heard UFO's "Love to Love" which is mistakenly called "Misty Green & Blue" by some people, I thought it was Kansas. Maybe that's the sound UFO was going for on this particular song. Their other songs don't even sound remotely like Kansas.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Monday, 05/6/2013 @ 12:04pm

Kansas

01. Phil Ehart (1973-Present: drums, percussion)
02. Steve Walsh (1973-Present: keyboards, synthesizers, percussion, vocals; Streets)
03. Rich Williams (1973-Present: guitars)
04. Robby Steinhardt (1973-2006: violin, vocals)
05. Dave Hope (1973-2000: bass, vocals; AD)
06. Kerry Livgren (1973-2000: guitars, keyboards, synthesizers, vocals)
07. John Elefante (1982-1984: keyboards, vocals; Mastedon)
08. Billy Greer (1985-Present: bass, vocals; Streets)
09. Steve Morse (1985-1991: guitars, vocals; Dixie Dregs, Deep Purple)
10. David Ragsdale (1991-Present: violin, vocals)

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 05/23/2013 @ 10:36am

I bet that a decent amount, if not all of you guys that are saying that Kansas is unoriginal and unlistenable, have heard 1 song and 0 records, you don't bass this stuff on hits, which are indeed brilliant, but it's the hidden gems! which you've probably never heard! The Wall, Icarus, Magnum Opus etc they're all excellent, and maybe you'd have a different opinion if you were to expand past the 1 or 2 songs you've heard...

Posted by Jack on Friday, 07/5/2013 @ 19:52pm

I agree with your comment Jack. Yes is my vote for Kansas.

Posted by Cokey on Friday, 07/5/2013 @ 21:10pm

All the people hating on Kansas must not have ears. They are one of the most genius bands especially in terms of composition. For example, just listen to the song The Wall, especially the ending and the way it alternates between major and minor chord tonality throughout. It's amazing.

Posted by edgar on Tuesday, 11/26/2013 @ 14:05pm

Great band, should be in. If heart and rush can get in(LOVE THEM BOTH!)Kansas deserves to be in also!Dont forget about other really great songs from them, Miracles out of no where and portrait(He Knew). They had really great music all across the board. Music that nobody else had at that time.

Posted by phil on Sunday, 01/12/2014 @ 17:07pm

It appears that there are some idiots who know little about the band Kansas. Kansas wasn't a typical progressive rock band. In fact, many of their best songs, such as "Carry On", "Dust", and "Lonely Street", were not progressive rock songs. The fact that the band had songs that could be classified as hard rock, AOR rock, acoustic rock, boogie rock, progressive rock, etc. confused many critics as well as some of the hardcore prog rock fans who wanted to hear nothing but prog rock.

There were 4 things that made Kansas special:

1) The awesome songwriting of Livgren which was far superior to that of most other prog groups including Yes & ELP. Livgren's brand of symphonic rock was powerful, complicated, melodic, and catchy all at the same time. As far as songwriting goes, only Pink Floyd and Genesis rivaled Kansas and this did not occur until these bands had been around for awhile and had since abandoned prog rock for AOR rock.

2) A first class vocalist (Steinhardt) and a world-class vocalist (Walsh). In the mid-1970's, Steve Hackett of Genesis said Steve Walsh was hands down the best singer in rock n' roll. When at his peak, singers like Jon Anderson, Phil Collins, Gilmore & Waters, Greg Lake, and Geddy Lee never came close.

3) Kansas was greater than the sum of its parts. Except for the Steve Morse era they may have lacked a virtuoso keyboardist or guitarist. However, the band was still able to play some very complicated songs. I agree that Livgren, Walsh, & Williams, were not as technically proficient as Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson, or Steve Howe, but their musicianship was perfect for the songs. With Kansas, the songs came primary, showing off was secondary.

4) Kansas had one thing that made them very unique: Violinist Robby Steinhardt. Unlike most rock or pop bands, Robby's playing accented the symphonic and classical side of the band. How many other prog rock violinists were there? Eddie Jobson?? No thanks, I'll take Robby anyday.

Posted by David on Tuesday, 06/24/2014 @ 14:58pm

I keep reading these posts by some "twit" named Kit. Why would anybody make so many posts against this band, if they were such a joke. I think Kit is a little intimidated by Kansas' powerful music.

Posted by David on Tuesday, 06/24/2014 @ 15:04pm

At the end of point #3 (above) I meant to say,
"With Kansas, the songs were of primary importance and showing off was of secondary importance."

Posted by David on Tuesday, 06/24/2014 @ 15:10pm

Kansas should definitely be in the HOF. They won't be however because they were never given their due by critics. Their musicianship is on par and many times better than most prog bands. People would refuse to tour with them because they would get blown off the stage by their talent. Respected by musicians, not by critics. Sounds like they deserve to be in to me.

Posted by Cameron on Wednesday, 08/20/2014 @ 21:06pm

I think that the first five Kansas studio albums were quite brilliant, especially "Leftoverture," "Kansas" and "Point Of Know Return." I had also liked "Masque" quite a bit. Of those five, "Song For America" had taken a while for me to fully appreciate.

I did like "Monolith" a little bit less than the first five albums. I wasn't as enthusiastic about what had followed, especially "Drastic Measures," however. For me, Kansas was trying to be the "prog band," who was attempting to convert their audience to Christianity and I had to draw the line. So, I did not listen to, nor buy their albums for at least an entire decade.

Then I had heard Gentle Giant. If you want a band that was really incredible, I would strongly suggest purchasing the following albums: "Acquiring The Taste," "Octopus," "Free Hand," "Gentle Giant," "Three Friends" and "The Power And The Glory."

Steve Walsh once had one of the greatest voices in all of "progressive rock" and I will agree that Robby Steinhardt's violin work had been quite wonderful. During the first five albums, Kansas was on a philosophical search and was not being too "preachy." So, I like those recordings quite a bit. However, the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame is supposed to be about enduring excellence. Does Kansas fit the bill for having more than a decade of greatness?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 08/21/2014 @ 09:57am

How Kansas is not in the RRHOF is beyond me. When I see that Blondie, the Sex Pistols, and the Stooges are there, it makes me wonder about the qualifications of the people voting. Kansas started performing in approximately 1973 and are still performing today. No, they do not perform at the same level today as they did years ago, but neither do the Stones. I think the RRHOF ignorantly looks at the lack of Top 40 releases by Kansas as one of their decisions to not vote them in. Kansas never wanted to be mainstream. They were pressured by Don Kirshner early on to produce snappy little 2 1/2 minute singles to bring in the bucks. Although they are what Kansas is most remembered for, "Dust in the Wind" and "Carry on my Wayward Son" were some of Kansas's worst work, in my opinion. Songs like "The Pinnacle", "Closet Chronicles" and "Magnum Opus" were just a few examples of their fine work that never made it to the airways and was never intended to.

Kansas was and is a one of a kind. Their musical arrangements were put together like the compositions by the great masters. There are more inductees in the RRHOF that I can count that don't hold a candle to Kansas.

Posted by Ray Ledbetter on Thursday, 01/8/2015 @ 11:25am

Kansas is on the cover of this months prog classic Rock magazine.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 01/8/2015 @ 22:33pm

To respond to Kansas haters bands that have made it in before them like rush what a crock every time I saw Rush they were back up to Kansas 3 times enough said also Yes is also not in that shows how clueless this hall of fame voting is. For the guy that wants to bash people's faces in what an idiot these are people's opinions give it a rest go pet a dog.

Posted by John on Friday, 01/30/2015 @ 21:41pm

Even worse than all of this discussion is the fact that Green Day is getting in... green Day people,,they weren't even thought of while all these great bands were cranknig out great music for decades.. RR HOF is a joke anyways.

Posted by Gary on Monday, 02/2/2015 @ 11:20am

and Kansas def Rocks out, Mysteries and Mayhem, No One Together, People of the South Wind,, the list goes on of great Kansas songs.

Posted by Gary on Monday, 02/2/2015 @ 11:27am

My first album purchase ever was Kansas' Mask.
I still love the music and band after 40 yrs.
they deserve to be inducted for their blood, sweat, and tears in the industry.

Posted by Eddy Pearson on Saturday, 03/21/2015 @ 02:56am

A new documentary about Kansas, "Miracles Out Of Nowhere," has been airing on VH-1 Classic and Palladia during this past weekend and during this week. Such artists as Garth Brooks and Brian May, of Queen, and my former nemesis, David Wild praise them highly. As I had said before, the first five albums released by Kansas were often quite brilliant, however their legacy should extend beyond those first five recordings, in order to be considered for Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction.

I think that the first five Kansas studio albums were quite brilliant, especially "Leftoverture," "Kansas" and "Point Of Know Return." I had also liked "Masque" quite a bit. Of those five, "Song For America" had taken a while for me to fully appreciate.

I did like "Monolith" a little bit less than the first five albums. I wasn't as enthusiastic about what had followed, especially "Drastic Measures," however. For me, Kansas was trying to be the "prog band," who was attempting to convert their audience to Christianity and I had to draw the line. So, I did not listen to, nor buy their albums for at least an entire decade.

Then I had heard Gentle Giant. If you want a band that was really incredible, I would strongly suggest purchasing the following albums: "Acquiring The Taste," "Octopus," "Free Hand," "Gentle Giant," "Three Friends" and "The Power And The Glory."

Steve Walsh once had one of the greatest voices in all of "progressive rock" and I will agree that Robby Steinhardt's violin work had been quite wonderful. During the first five albums, Kansas was on a philosophical search and was not being too "preachy." So, I like those recordings quite a bit. However, the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame is supposed to be about enduring excellence. Does Kansas fit the bill for having more than a decade of greatness?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 03/23/2015 @ 10:08am

Kansas is a pleasant inoffensive band, but extremely light weight. Their lyrics are almost a cliche for schmaltzy cornball in rock. They will most likely be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame some day, but I'm pretty sure they don't deserve the honor.

Posted by 54markl on Friday, 05/1/2015 @ 04:06am

These Kansas fans are just about what I would expect. I would just like to go on record as saying that although bands like The Ramones and The Stooges didn't make a fraction of the money that Kansas did, they are worth about 1,000 Kansases artistically. It is a good thing for Kansas that the main criteria for the Rock and Roll Hall of fame is Money and not Artistic Worth, or else they'd never get in. But because of their blockbuster mediocrities, they have a chance. Like Donna Summers did. LOL!

Posted by 54markl on Friday, 05/1/2015 @ 04:17am

Ive seen about a million Ramones T-shirts recently, but not one Kansas T-shirt. Guess platinum albums aren't everything, eh guys? Dust in the wind.

Posted by 54markl on Friday, 05/1/2015 @ 04:33am

Anecdotal evidence.

I've seen just as many Kansas t-shirts as Ramones recently, therefore they must be the same!

Posted by dmg on Friday, 05/1/2015 @ 09:29am

Kansas is one of the best Art and Progessive Rock groups of all time. They should get in because the songs.

Posted by Dan Windler on Saturday, 05/9/2015 @ 23:04pm

I think Kansas will fall short of induction. King Crimson and Moody Blues were early prog 60's early 70's who have influenced many bands and they haven't been inducted. Rush made it with excellent work over their totality and a rabid fan base who helped push Rush over the top to induction. There seems to be bands in Kansas way if the genre is prog, rock. They had 2 Classic songs Carry...and Dust In The Wind. Many groups have played the songs so that's influence. I think the violin playing was innovative to some degree. Don't know if Kansas will make it. KING.

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 05/13/2015 @ 05:44am

@ KING

I have to disagree with you about Kansas, King Crimson and Moody Blues. I feel That you are looking at Prog in and of itself and are not considering what dominated the era in general which included Heartland Rock, Folk and Country. I see very little chance for King Crimson.

Moody Blues has several factors in it's favor but one of those factors was that Moody Blues was first to use a Moog. Dennis DeYoung was considered one of the early Moog pioneers also. Styx was more successful and more widely known over a longer period of time. Also like Kansas, Styx not only could be considered Prog but could also be considered Heartland Rock.

When considering bands that had elements of Prog and Heartland Rock you can not forget about Chicago and the twenty or so artist of the era that are from Chicago, have a member from Chicago or were involved in the Chicago music scene.

Now remember that Smashing Pumpkins is due to be eligible next year. I think that just having an outcry from fans would be enough to trigger a backlash because NO rock artist is more important to Chicago than the band that bears it's name. And backlashes that come out of the city of Chicago have repercussions. Where did the Disco Sucks movement come out of and what were the results?

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 05/13/2015 @ 12:00pm

Great comments Zuzu! I've advocated Chicago in RRHOF in my last 2 or 3 guess Nominations. What the RRHOF ballot might appear. I think Smashing Pumpkins have a good chance as 1st ballot. They are one of the most influential and successful of the 1st year eligible bands and RRHOF likes a headliner. Ex: Green Day (2015) KISS (2014). Kansas seems to have a long road to RRHOF when deserving groups Duran Duran, Def Leppard, Judas Priest, Chicago, Deep Purple, etc have not been voted in Hall. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 05/13/2015 @ 20:10pm

In the whole scheme of things yes Kansas would have a long road but so would everyone you mentioned except Chicago. I think you are very much undervaluing Kansas. Their Point of No Return album had a huge impact.

Do you think Billy Corgan's attitude is going to bode well for Smashing Pumpkins with older voters? As far as Chicago goes - consider this: Steve Goodman wrote the Go Cubs Go theme song and his ashes are spread in Wrigley, REO's Riding the Storm Out is played at Hawk games, and the Blues Brother's version of Sweet Home Chicago is played at several events. The 05 Sox chose Journey's Don't Stop Believin Steve Perry attended the post season games and the rally. Jonathan Cain is one of the writers of that song. He is also one of the survivor's of the Our Lady of Angels fire - that is sacred ground. Chicago is much more influential than Smashing Pumpkins. According to Joe Montegna everybody knew everybody in the Chicago music scene in the 60's so the majority of those 20+ artist I mentioned were influenced by Chicago and that is just the start. A lot of people from at the time Chicago are within 2 or 3 degrees of separation of knowing one of the members of the band. So to have Smashing Pumpkins go in before Chicago would be a personal insult.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 05/14/2015 @ 04:09am

One of the posters brought up something interesting about not seeing anybody wearing Kansas T-shirts. I agree...Never saw anybody wearing Kansas T-shirts either. Don't see Kansas getting in when several groups The Cure, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Moody Blues, Def Leppard,Chicago etc. haven't been inducted. I'm curious where Kansas fans draw the line for induction. Ex:Kansas or Chicago, Kansas or Roxy Music,Kansas or The Cure, Kansas or Def Leppard, Kansas or The Cars, Kansas or Moody Blues, Kansas or Judas Priest, Kansas or Iron Maiden etc. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 05/21/2015 @ 16:42pm

@King

Let me add a few more names and really make this interesting.

Journey - Patsy Cline - Willie Nelson - Jerry Reed - Joan Baez - The Guess Who - Tommy James and The Shondells - Chubby Checker - Pat Benatar - Bon Jovi

Now add that to your list and pretend this is the list of nominees. From top to bottom how would those eligible vote on this list?

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 05/22/2015 @ 03:15am

I have probably seen 1 or 2 people wearing a Kansas T shirt. Not common at all, though.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 05/22/2015 @ 07:01am

Wrote them all down. Let's say RRHOF chooses 6 out of 19 for induction. I think Willie Nelson would be #1. He just turned 80 and RRHOF looked dumb when Donna Summer, Lou Reed died before induction. For his totality of work. #2 Chicago. One of the bigger snubs I keep hearing. Plus Chicago has vocal fan base. Won't give up. #3 Moody Blues They would give Prog a voice in Hall. Outstanding music and influence. Deserving 48 years recording songs and touring. After that, it's really tough. #4 The Cure They have been nominated before and have strong innovation and influence. A good headliner for year #5 Def Leppard Had 2 Diamond albums Pyromania and Hysteria. Nearly 40 years in the business. Good headliner. #6 Pat Benatar That's the female inductee. She had operatic voice and hits Fire and Ice, Hit Me With Your Best Shot, Invincible etc. Influenced young female voters. Think Judas Priest and Iron Maiden cancel each other out. The others wait another year. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 05/22/2015 @ 16:36pm

I would also pick Willie Nelson and Chicago.

Patsy Cline is an icon. She is the first country female to be a crossover artist. She is a huge influence. Fifty years later the songs she recorded are still being covered.

Journey - Steve Perry was dubbed the Voice by Jon Bon Jovi. Journey has influenced hair bands and metal prog. Journey songs are used a lot on singing shows.

The last 2 spots are a toss-up between the following. Moody Blues and Pat Benatar

Joan Baez - I would put her as the top female folk singer

Chubby Checker - the Twist was a cultural phenomenon.

Tommy James and the Shondels - Probably the most influential of the 60's Garage Bands. Part of the last Induction Ceremony

The Guess Who - BTO & 5 Man Electrical Band were spinoffs of this group

Jerry Reed - Highly influential and regarded guitar player. Pioneered a new style of picking. Kansas' Taking In The View is an example of Reed's influence. Check out Amos Moses.

I would consider the rest lower on the list. Of those remaining I would put Kansas on top. This is largely because Wayward Son & Dust In The Wind still get a lot of exposure. I have other projects that I am working on before I get to Kansas - so my evaluation of them may go up. Based on the Bible-Belt imagery used in their songs, I would start looking at Christian Rock, Country, Southern Rock and Heartland Rock for signs of their influence.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 05/23/2015 @ 10:52am

KING,

Thank you for your opinion about Rush. If for some reason, Kansas receives a nomination for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, I will support them, however since we are only allowed to choose 5 inductees, I will not be able to vote for them, regrettably, if Duran Duran, The Moody Blues, Yes, Carly Simon and Sade appear on the same list!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05/23/2015 @ 13:53pm

My thinking there will be big push to get Deep Purple & Willie Nelson nominated & inducted in 2015. That leaves 4 spots. I think Chicago or Moody Blues fight for spot. That would be 3. The female artist could be Stevie Nicks, Janet Jackson, Mariah Carrey Pat Benatar. That would be 4.The last 2 spots could be 5 groups fighting Duran Duran, Def Leppard, The Cure, Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins. A final inductee list could be 1.Willie Nelson 2.Deep Purple 3.Moody Blues 4.Janet Jackson 5.Duran Duran 6.Nine Inch Nails. If they go 7, NWA, Chic, or Smashing Pumpkins slide in...
Kansas seems to be a tougher sell to make RRHOF as long as King Crimson, Yes, Moody Blues, Chicago and several waiting. I'll keep waiting too. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 05/23/2015 @ 16:59pm

My thinking there will be big push to get Deep Purple & Willie Nelson nominated & inducted in 2015. That leaves 4 spots. I think Chicago or Moody Blues fight for spot. That would be 3. The female artist could be Stevie Nicks, Janet Jackson, Mariah Carrey Pat Benatar. That would be 4.The last 2 spots could be 5 groups fighting Duran Duran, Def Leppard, The Cure, Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins. A final inductee list could be 1.Willie Nelson 2.Deep Purple 3.Moody Blues 4.Janet Jackson 5.Duran Duran 6.Nine Inch Nails. If they go 7, NWA, Chic, or Smashing Pumpkins slide in...
Kansas seems to be a tougher sell to make RRHOF as long as King Crimson, Yes, Moody Blues, Chicago and several waiting. I'll keep waiting too. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 05/23/2015 @ 17:04pm

In the recent Kansas documentary, "Miracles Out Of Nowhere," Garth Brooks and Brian May have both sung their praises about Kansas. Back in 2010, several artists had similarly praised Rush in the documentary, "Rush: Beyond The Lighted Stage." Rush and Kansas are always mentioned together in most articles. Rush's music has often been compared to "classical music played with loud guitars." Kerry Livgren was also influenced by classical music.

Does Garth Brooks like Rush, also?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 08/17/2015 @ 06:36am

I will say this in Kansas' defense, if I was to compare Rush's first five studio albums with those of Kansas, Rush would unfortunately lose.

However, "A Farewell To Kings" does contain quite a few great songs, namely 'Closer To The Heart' and Rush's magnum opus, 'Xanadu.'

After those albums however, Rush wins easily. "Hemispheres" is Rush's first masterwork. "Permanent Waves" is even better. "Moving Pictures" is another masterpiece; personally, it is my fifth favorite Rush studio album. "Exit... Stage Left," Rush's second live album is not only Rush's greatest album, but quite possibly "progressive rock's" finest effort.

After that, "Signals" is another masterpiece, "Grace Under Pressure" is not as great, however "Power Windows," the album which follows is my third favorite Rush studio album, only eclipsed by "Presto," (number two) and "Roll The Bones," Rush's greatest studio album.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/23/2015 @ 00:38am

If we look at current trends, I would guess that Kansas may receive a nomination for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame within the next 3 years. Rush's documentary came out in 2010 and they were inducted in 2013. Kansas' documentary came out in 2015, so I am guessing that they might be inducted in either 2018, or 2019.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 08/26/2015 @ 09:49am

Enig, that is certainly an interesting hypothesis, but not one I feel is tenable. For starters, as my algebra teacher would say, "One point does not define a line." Unless you know for fact the function is linear, you can't use Rush as a fixed point and concretely conclude y=x+3. So I think you're starting with too grand an assumption. It's not as tried and true a method as certain trends like making yourself available for the Foundation to be part of an induction ceremony, putting out a new album or starting a new tour, or sadly, dying. Secondly, I think documentaries are as effective as biopics. Documentaries, for the most part, fly below the radar of public consciousness, and thus don't raise ground level support from the public. Biopics, especially ones that are well done, will generate much more hype and get murmurs going in favor of an act. Now, I realize that this is not a definite either, as most biopics of recent have been primarily about acts that are already in (see "Jersey Boys" and "Get On Up"), and we'll get the first real test with N.W.A. this fall, and even then it's not a strong test either as N.W.A. has been on the Hall's priorities list since becoming eligible. Still, biopics are made for a wider audience than documentaries can expect to reach (even if your name is Michael Moore), and have greater potential to generate buzz. So I think documentaries are at a disadvantage there. Thirdly, Kansas has never had the support that Rush has almost always enjoyed. While I'm not a Rush fan myself, I respect their artistry and also am not blind to the fact that they've long been regarded near the top of their field, almost regardless of how you define their field (within reason). Kansas, on the other hand, don't have nearly that prestige. Even amidst a relatively narrow definition of arena rock, Kansas is behind some names that are already inducted (like KISS), and several more that are not (Journey, Styx, Boston, Foreigner, et al.) Kansas were not a strong enough standout among their peers, and thus I don't think can expect nomination anytime soon, even with a documentary. Lastly, three years is a lot of time for something to be forgotten, especially in our ephemeral cyber-culture. A lot of acts can announce new tours, reunite, release new albums, make high-profile appearances or die in that time, and thus supplant Kansas from the line of forethought for any kind of consideration.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 08/26/2015 @ 13:14pm

Sorry, that should be under secondly, documentaries are NOT as effective.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 08/26/2015 @ 13:16pm

I just don't think Kansas has enough song firepower to get in. Maybe in 50 years.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 08/27/2015 @ 10:57am

I had been watching a portion of Kansas' recent documentary, "Miracles Out Of Nowhere" on BluRay today. Yesterday, I had watched "Mr. Blue Sky," the documentary about Jeff Lynne on BluRay. I had also watched the DVD version of "Rush: Beyond The Lighted Stage." All three of these documentaries feature prominent musicians and artists who sing their respective praises.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 09/14/2015 @ 01:33am

Ah, Kansas, such a controversial topic. Looked down upon by many fans of progressive rock music or just critics in general for being a pale imitation of their European brothers (or is it cousins), largely ignored by the public, yet despite this are still loved by millions despite the facts ringing some truth. The question is why but the answer isn't all that hard (at least in my case). For me European prog is just too foreign for me whereas Kansas feels closer to home. Admittedly this isn't much of an argument I know but it's just that Kansas is a band I kinda grew up and fell in love with due to being exposed to it at a young age thanks to my dad. The bass lines were groovy, the drumming complex, the piano lines lush, the guitar work stunning, the violin beautiful to the ears, the lyrics deep and meaningful, and the vocals outstanding. No matter what people say thay can never doubt the skill these players have even when they took different musical choices in the 80s and essentially changed what they were. No matter good or bad, through highs and lows, they are still to this day my favorite band of all time.

Posted by Connor the Critic on Friday, 03/18/2016 @ 19:42pm

Connor the Critic,

If the Rock Hall does decide to induct a major "progressive rock" band from the United States, then I think that Kansas would definitely be a great choice, due to their first five studio albums alone. Of course, most individuals are mostly aware of Kansas, due to their commercial successes with "Leftoverture" and "Point Of Know Return." Songs such as: 'Dust In The Wind' and 'Carry On Wayward Son' are still radio staples to this day. This year, will mark the 40th anniversary of the release of "Point Of Know Return" on October 11, 1977. Back in October, 2016, "Leftoverture" had turned 40.

The problem with Kansas induction, however may be their post "Point" material.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01/21/2017 @ 13:22pm

Growing up in the 70s there were many forms of rock n roll. Some I liked better than others. Kansas was one of my favorites because they were different than the mainstream pop songs of the day. Considering it is called the Hall Of "Fame", then Kansas should be a part of it. They helped bring progressive rock to the forefront and the early music was exceptional. Are there better bands in the hall, yes, are there worse musicians in the hall, yes. Are they famous? did they sell records? I am in my 50s and more than half of the artists in the hall I either never heard of or I am not familiar with. Why are they in there?
A Hall of Fame is suppose to be exactly what the name applies, famous and successful artists through the history of rock and roll.

Posted by Robert on Thursday, 05/25/2017 @ 13:42pm

a) Just wondering- so which acts/musicians in the HOF would YOU say are 'worse' than Kansas (aka a band most people only know 3 of their songs these days)?

b) If you don't know/aren't familiar with half the acts in the HOF, that's on YOU more than anything else...

Posted by E.D. Snidog on Thursday, 05/25/2017 @ 16:36pm

As I have stated before, I think that there is definitely a great possibility for a Kansas nomination later this year. Why do I think this?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/20/2017 @ 18:34pm

I have also written somewhat less extensively about Kansas. However, here is my first posting:

Since Rush has now been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, expect many of their prog rock brethren to follow. It has been said by Tommy Shaw that his song, 'Man In The Wilderness' was inspired by Kansas. What appealed to me most about Kansas was Robby Steinhardt's violin and Kerry Livgren's songwriting acumen.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05.6.13 @ 00:05am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 09/26/2017 @ 13:17pm

That's like saying because Aerosmith, Van Halen, and Guns N' Roses are all in the Hall, that means Motley Crue, Poison, and Whitesnake should/will be inducted as well... #defectivethinking

Posted by KXB on Tuesday, 09/26/2017 @ 13:39pm

KXB,

That is definitely a bad comparison, I do not particularly care for Aerosmith's work with 3 important exceptions: 'Dream On,' 'Livin' on The Edge' and 'Janie's Got A Gun.' I like "Van Hagar" more than Van Halen, although I do like 'I'll Wait.' As far as Guns' N' Roses is concerned, I do like 'November Rain.' I am not particularly fond of Motley Crue, or Poison either. Whitesnake is a different entity also, but it could be considered another form of "Deep Purple" Mark III, since the late Jon Lord and Ian Paice were involved in David Coverdale's band. Of course, 'Here I Go Again' happens to be an earlier song from an earlier album, "Saints and Sinners" and 'Is This Love' is a power ballad from their self titled album. Since, David Coverdale has that great bluesy voice, Whitesnake may be inducted sometime later.

Now, as far as Rush and Kansas are concerned, according to last.fm they are not that far removed from each other musically, i.e. they are both on the same page.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 09/26/2017 @ 16:45pm

Kansas will never be considered due to the religious connotation in their lyrics. Too bad

Posted by Dan Schwabenbauer on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 22:06pm

I cannot understand why Kansas has not yet been put into the hall of fame. Not only is their music a piece of art, their lyrics are also poetic as well as inspiring. I have seen other "artists" inducted that have produced lousy music. One of the attributes of Kansas's music is the modulations. They can go from quiet to loud, rocking, music within the same song. The recent DVD documentary included a multitude of artist endorsements such as members of Queen, Garth Brooks and others. Tommy Shaw from Styx has also endorsed Kansas as well.
I think this band has been unjustly been reviewed and deserve a place, with their peers, in the rock and roll hall of fame!

Posted by Jeff oneil on Friday, 05/4/2018 @ 08:47am

Kansas and STYX maybe two of the most American bands from the prog-rock world musically, but I still don’t see those guys getting in at all. Can anyone name a handful of acts who cited them as one of their influences?

With the Moodies now in, I really think Jethro Tull, ELP, Procol Harum, and the Crims are next on the HOF’s list - they’ll be done with the 60’s and 70’s prog-rock once they pick up all of them.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 05/4/2018 @ 12:19pm

Extremely doubtful Kansas will ever receive a nomination.
Very likely Jethro Tull will eventually receive a nomination and may be the last recognized “Prog” group for HOF induction.

Posted by Mark on Friday, 05/4/2018 @ 13:49pm

Kansas has NO CHANCE, people! They can't even crack the top 472 in the Rock Rankings here, so what chance do you think they will have with the Rock Hall???

Also, I don't see any more prog rock groups getting in (except maybe Tull, though King Crimson deserves it most)... #letitgoalready

Posted by KXB on Saturday, 05/5/2018 @ 16:55pm

Y’know, I’ve always wondered why no one talks about Tool being one of the possibilities to be next on the prog-rock train. I know they’re a 90’s band, and the the HOF is still playing catch-up with the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s. But if they’re one of the this year’s nominees for the 2019 class, then members from Pink Floyd, Rush, Genesis, Yes, Journey, Traffic, and the Moodies will very likely vote for them mainly because of musical styles despite how heavy and alternative they are.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 05/6/2018 @ 00:01am

HOW QUEEN RESCUED KANSAS FROM A LOUSY OPENING SPOT

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/queen-rescues-kansas/

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 03/17/2019 @ 14:01pm

Look, they deserve to be there. Kiss, which when younger, I was a fan of, is there. Truthfully, they suck (KISS). They have no depth as writers, they are marginally skilled as musicians. But, they are/were popular. They will whore themselves out for a dollar. If they can be there, why can't Kansas????? I mean really???? Why would KISS ever be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame if not or popularity???

Posted by dcbowen on Friday, 07/26/2019 @ 22:12pm

I am truly surprised by some of the comments posted that Kansas shouldn't be in the rock and roll Hall of fame.
I've listened to this band since the early 70's and I believe there is no band better, EVER! The writing of Kerry Livgren, both music and lyrics, to the phenomenal voice of Steve Walsh. The precision drumming of Phil Ehart, to the sweetest and rockiness violin playing o ft Robbie Steinhart. This is a class act of serious musicians and as technical as they are they cover it live to a "T".
While many of you don't like the music, and you don't have to, you should ask yourself a question - are you intelligent enough to understand this type of music? I'm not saying this to be rude I'm saying it because if Kiss and Bon Jovi are your style and you helped vote them into the hall then you really don't have much depth in your thoughts.
Kansas is the best period! Not as popular but is that what the hall is for - no! Musicianship. Thats the qualification to be in the hall and Kansas is unparalleled.
Thanks

Posted by Warren LaCore on Tuesday, 04/28/2020 @ 23:40pm

KANSAS should be in the RRHF! KANSAS is USA prog., like RUSH (CA) prog. who is in RRHF. Class of 76. Kansas albums were superlate party and car music. Today, KANSAS still plays sold out live shows, which I go out of my way too see. Go listen to their first album Kansas first track "Can I Tell You" (the whole album) underlines their 40+ years of progressive RR musicianship which is recognized by other bands. Next letter is to the RRHF!

Posted by Mike D on Saturday, 07/25/2020 @ 12:48pm

The latest Kansas album, "The Absence of Presence", is simply magnificent. The band has aged very very well.
They certainly deserve at least a nomination for the RRHOF.

Posted by Alvaro Gallegos on Tuesday, 08/11/2020 @ 15:16pm

Kansas has two entries on the list of 20 greatest prog albums on Sirius X-M's Deep Tracks.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/5/2020 @ 05:29am

Not unlike Duran Duran and Jethro Tull, Kansas' pathway to a nomination and possible induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame has already been paved by the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 10/23/2020 @ 05:43am

Mike D., Warren LaCore and Alvaro,


Thank you for the suggestions.


I had just purchased "The Absence of Presence" today. Meanwhile, I really wish that Kansas would release "Device-Voice-Drum" on BluRay, don't you?

By the way, I would definitely support Kansas for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/31/2020 @ 23:36pm

Lately, I have been watching the Kansas documentary "Miracles Out Of Nowhere" on BluRay. As I have previously noted, David Wild- my former nemesis had been a huge fan of Kansas. Also featured in this documentary are: Garth Brooks, Brendan O'Brien and Brian May, who sing Kansas' praises. Fortunately, this documentary intelligently focuses upon their first five brilliant studio recordings.

In my honest opinion, What helps Kansas immensely are their often quite brilliant first five albums, especially "Leftoverture" and "Point Of Know Return."

"Kansas" (1974) **** 1/2
"Song For America" (1975) **** 1/2
"Masque" (1975) *****
"Leftoverture" (1976) *****
"Point Of Know Return" (1977) *****

What also helps them are the recent inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 11/4/2020 @ 05:43am

Those first five albums are the only ones that I have heard and own. My favorites out of them are Leftoverture and Point of Know Return. They're all great though. Are any of the other albums that came after those five worth looking into?

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 11/4/2020 @ 11:46am

Greg F.,

Yes, as far as post "Point Of Know Return" studio material by Kansas is concerned, I did like "Power" and "The Spirit Of Things" and "Always Never The Same." "Monolith" had been okay, but I had not been particularly enamored of either "Audio-Visions," or "Vinyl Confessions" and I have never owned "Drastic Measures." I have a copy of "Somewhere To Elsewhere," "The Prelude Implicit" and "The Absence Of Presence," but I have not listened to them yet. I also own several compilations and of course, the dvd "Device-Voice-Drum," the BluRay versions of "There's Know Place Like Home" and "Miracles Out Of Nowhere."

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11/8/2020 @ 05:50am

There sadly are only 2 types of people:
1. The people who are smart enough musically and soulfully to understand the the greatness of Kansas.
2 And the people who just ain't smart enough

Posted by Kansasnut on Wednesday, 12/2/2020 @ 04:59am

"The Absence of Presence" is one of the strongest releases of 2020.

Kansas is still a great great band.

An induction is long overdue.

Posted by Alvaro Gallegos on Sunday, 12/13/2020 @ 18:37pm

People be hating on Kansas. Really, there is nothing to hate about them. They aren't your type that's it. I believe they should be in, even though I don't listen to them. Their influence is undeniable and the fact that they have such great hits, can't be ignored either. You can't just go around "oh man, they don't have any technical skills, shouldn't be inducted" with that logic, Ramones shouldn't be inducted as well due to the fact that John Cummings was only an average skilled guitarist, but because of their INFLUENCE, they were so great, and so should Kansas.

Posted by Jason on Wednesday, 04/21/2021 @ 20:50pm

As an accomplished musician, anyone who doesn't think that Kansas isn't deserving to be in the rock and roll hall of fame obviously doesn't have any sense of superb musicianship. Their very classical design of some of their works is far superior to a lot of the supposed bands that are in the hall. I guess like other hall of fame institutions you have to know the right people or pay to be considered

Posted by Alan Turner on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:30am

Kansas is easily one of the greatest bands ever. They are without question one of the top ten. The HOF is a joke as most of the members are not even rock bands. The musicianship in this group makes them more like a top three group of all time. Disagree? You're an idiot.

Posted by Mass Opinion on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 20:59pm

RIP Robbie Steinhardt (1950-2021)

Posted by Alvaro Gallegos on Monday, 07/19/2021 @ 11:54am

I just read about it too; I didn't know that Kansas had two "lead" vocalists. Anyhow, Rest in Peace Robbie Steinhardt, 1950-2021.

Posted by Joe on Monday, 07/19/2021 @ 18:28pm

I had just read the incredibly sad news on the PROG Magazine website.

My most sincere condolences to the family and friends of Robby Steinhardt on his unexpected passing. Robby's violin playing and vocals had added a rather unique element to Kansas' sound. Robby will truly be missed by all those individuals who had been touched by his extraordinary talents.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 07/20/2021 @ 01:18am

Robby Steinhardt, Violinist and Co-Lead Vocalist of Kansas, Dead at 71
Musician died after a bout of acute pancreatitis and sepsis, according to his wife
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/robby-steinhardt-kansas-obit-dead-1198999/

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 07/20/2021 @ 15:53pm

My Uncle died of pancreatitus and it is a very painful disease. He was a drinker. Loved his Makers Mark. Before he died, he told a family member that if he'd known he could have caught that disease, he never would have touched the first drop of alcohol.

Please moderate your drinking.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 07/21/2021 @ 06:28am

The recent unfortunate passing of superlative former Kansas violinist and vocalist Robby Steinhardt might lead to a Rock Hall nomination for Kansas in 2022.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 07/24/2021 @ 15:33pm

Enig,
Kansas certainly has the credentials to warrant them a Nomination for possible induction. I have never had any doubt about that. It was always the popularity factor in play here for them. You could put them squarely in the Jethro Tull category of Prog/Hard Rock.. although Tull's career goes back a bit further to the late 60's.
Kansas, unfortunately gets stereotyped as just having 2 great songs, when actually they have 30 or 40.
If the passing of an important founding member of the band in violinist/vocalist, Robby Steinhardt, brings them more noticibility, popularity and renewed interest, well I suppose that is a reality.
And although it should not have a bearing on their fantastic accomplishments and qualifications for the HOF, so if it does, I would say.. well deserved. Kansas has a deep catalogue of excellent, original, and highly influential great music..

Posted by Will N on Saturday, 07/24/2021 @ 21:24pm

Will N.,

Thank you for your response. I agree with you about the fact that Kansas has 30- 40 great songs in their repertoire also.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/15/2021 @ 15:16pm

They have a fricking violinist, that's like OP af dude. Where do you find such a big rock band with a rock violinist? Kudos to Kansas for that. Many of those "traditional rock" fan says they suck until I listened to them. They are actually pretty good. Instead of a guitar riff, they got a violin riff!!! That's like one of a kind, and they have some pretty big prog influence as well. They deserve to be in, and cmon boys, Steinhardt died almost 3 months ago, shan't we honor that?

Posted by Jason on Sunday, 10/3/2021 @ 21:13pm

For those of you who are interested, Robby Steinhardt's posthumous solo album: "Not In Kansas Anymore: A Prog Opera" is now available on cd from Solar Music. I had ordered 3 copies on cd after listening to Pete Pardo's review on the "Sea Of Tranquility" website.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 12/31/2021 @ 04:15am

Hall of Fame is meaningless, it's the music that matters. Thank Jehovah for Kansas band, AMEN. I AM THAT I AM.

Posted by John Baker on Monday, 01/3/2022 @ 22:10pm

Another no brainier. Made progressive rock better. One of the best rock style progressive rock bands. Excellent in concert. A real crowd pleaser.

Posted by Carl Hardy on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 21:14pm

Who the hell is Kit? What is Kit? Why is Kit so angry?

Posted by Madmic on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 20:18pm

I also think Kansas should be in the hall but what bothers me is why there are country singers and hip hop groups and people like Janet Jackson and Donna Summer are in there. Dolly Parton was nominated and she declined because she knew she didn't belong there. The Country Music Hall of Fame is for just that. Pat Benetar should have been in there a lot sooner than Janet and Donna.

Posted by Jeff on Friday, 01/20/2023 @ 13:58pm

Can't believe this band is not already in. One of the greatest touring rock bands of all time, Very tight band.

Posted by SCOTT sCHULER on Thursday, 03/2/2023 @ 09:48am

Definitely, I'd vote for them in a heart beat, Kansas for the RRHF!

Posted by Steve on Thursday, 03/30/2023 @ 17:24pm

I really love Kansas. It is puzzling why they aren't in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The original lineup of Walsh-Livgren-Steinhart-Williams-Hope-Ehart was phenomenal and they really owned a spiritual/emotional realm that resonated with many listeners. "Lonely Wind" from their first album and the ones that followed really showed that Walsh was a really talented singer. I often put him in a class with Paul Rodgers (Free, Bad Company, The Firm, etc). Livgren has to be one of the most talented guitarists I've seen. Livgren and Walsh together made a very solid songwriting duo. Steinhart added another dimension with his violin and filling in on lead vocals. The others that round out this band really complimented each other. Any Rock Hall inductee would kill to have "Carry On Wayward Son," "Dust In The Wind," "Point Of Know Return," "People Of The South Wind," "Reason to Be," and "Hold On" in their arsenals. Between 1974-1980, these songs had strong meaning for me. In 1981, Kerry Livgren and Dave Hope became Born Again Christians and a lot of Livgren's songs were about his new found faith. I heard some of the demos off Rich Williams page and was blown away by what would have become the new album. Livgren's songs "Children of the Shadows", "Fair Exchange", etc really complimented Walsh's "Imagine Love", "Gun Runner", and "Breakout". Those songs along with "Stay With Me Tonight" (later known as "Play The Game Tonight") would have really made this album very good to the level of "Leftoverture" and "Point of Know Return". Livgren was uncomfortable with the lyrics of "Stay With Me Tonight". Ultimately, Walsh was uncomfortable with the religious overtones and did not like this direction. He also wanted to do straight rock (He would form Streets for this purpose). It's sad. They settled on John Elefante, a talented songwriter and vocalist who was also a Born Again Christian. "Vinyl Confessions" almost resembled a Contemporary Christian Rock album which alienated the rest of the band. Steinhart would then quit. "Drastic Measures" would follow up with toned down religious overtones. These two albums did, however, produce hits but the band was not the same. Livgren and Hope would leave to form a Contemporary Christian Rock band AD. Walsh would return after Streets to participate in "Power" and all the following albums until his retirement. The addition of Steve Morse and Billy Greer made it a very good band. "In The Spirit of Things" is a very good album that was somehow overlooked. It makes me wonder if Walsh and Livgren had stayed together the whole time whether they would have already been in the Hall of Fame by now. Those two together were phenomenal!! All things said, there are Born Again Christians in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and that should not in any way exclude them their due. The uniqueness of the band and the body of work makes me feel KANSAS has a place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame!!! Please induct them!

Posted by Tim on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 00:56am

They aren't in and never will be because they did nothing important in the history of rock except create a theme song for Supernatural.

Posted by Robert on Friday, 02/2/2024 @ 17:05pm