My pick for 2008 rock hall from 1982 debuts

BEASTIE BOYS
METALLICA
MADONNA
STING

Janet jackson can wait till 2011 when its 25 years after control

Posted by martin on Sunday, 06.10.07 @ 23:11pm

Beastie Boys, Metallica, and Madonna are all locks. Sonic Youth absolutely should be inducted, but with a band like that you never know. Might take a while.

Sting? I guess he's had a nice career as a solo artist, but nice shouldn't be enough.

Posted by c.w. on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 08:25am

Do not forget Afrika Bambaataa, he is a legend and defnitely belongs to the great pioneers of hip-hop just like the Beastie Boys.
Sonic Youth is needed absolutely(in my opinion they are better than R.E.M)
Madonna can wait, she is secundary.
And Metallica is great but they are lots of previous acts that deserve to enter before them(Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Thin Lizzy maybe,grand funk railroad and Mountain)

Posted by roméo on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 09:00am

Really, Sonic Youth is the only necessary induction for the time being. Maybe Metallica for their influence, but I can't stand the cheese factor and wouldn't mind them waiting a tick. Madonna can certainly sit around plenty of years if Leonard Cohen/Nick Drake/Stooges/Brian Eno, etc..are all waiting to be enshrined. Beastie Boys should probably wait a few years because this year is the 25th anniversary of their shitty hardcore recordings, not 25 years since Licensed To Ill.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 06.13.07 @ 21:05pm

there are several acts that deserve induction first:

Chicago: Rocked HARD in late 60s, early 70s. Terry Kath might be all-time greatest guitar player!

Doobie Brothers: Many hits, should be in.

Hall & Oates: All-time best-selling duo. Think of all the big songs they had. Hard to deny.

Three Dog Night: Underrated.

Dire Straits: Underrated.

Among the newbies, Metallica and Sting should get it. Tears for Fears is borderline. Madonna and Janet Jackson ARE NOT ROCK!

Posted by C on Friday, 06.15.07 @ 19:52pm

who says u have to be rock to get in. there no rule

Posted by martin on Saturday, 06.30.07 @ 01:30am

Have you checked out the new feature that's been put in today - the nominating commitee, name by name with associated links about each person?
Friggin awesome, Neil! Well done!!

Posted by shawn mc on Sunday, 07.1.07 @ 16:47pm

Where are the MONKEES..... on this list???
They sold how many RECORDS????
They helped define a generation.....
MONKEES.....................

Posted by Robert on Monday, 07.2.07 @ 04:19am

My picks for the 2008 inductions are:
Janet Jackson
Madonna
Lionel Richie
The Beastie Boy
Metallica
Sting
Ice T and
Afrika Bambaataa

simply because these are people who have had a major effect on the music of that time and the music of today. these are people whose influence is still relivent in todays music we listen to. Janet, Madonna, Sting, Lionel Richie and the Beastie Boys are still making critical acclaimed and top selling music today. so that is the reason i feel the list above should be inducted next year.

Posted by miquel on Tuesday, 07.3.07 @ 18:05pm

I understand your criteria, but Sonic Youth is tops in the category of influence/innovation and you didn't even list them. :(

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 07.3.07 @ 20:01pm

I must have missed Lionel Richie's latest blockbuster.

Posted by Kit on Tuesday, 07.3.07 @ 20:25pm

Lionel deserves it Kit. He's an instantly recognizable name to ClearChannel listeners everywhere. And for most on this site, that's justification enough.

:(

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 07.3.07 @ 22:03pm

You don't have to play screeching guitars to be considered cool or hip. Lionel Richie's career has been stellar both with the Commodores, as well indiviudally. To claim in a few strokes of the keys on this blog that he is not talented is superficial and uninformed.

Personally, I do not care much for his music, but I am able to remain objective, unlike many others on these blogs...tisk, tisk

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 07.3.07 @ 22:25pm

Missing the point again? Old habits die hard, I suppose.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 07.4.07 @ 00:08am

I didn't say word one about Lionel Richie's talent, one because I couldn't find it with a microscope, and two, that wasn't relevant to my point. The person who listed him said one of his criteria was that person must have had a recent hit record, and, uh, yeah, no.

Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 07.4.07 @ 01:43am

"I didn't say word one about Lionel Richie's talent, one because I couldn't find it with a microscope"

It was implied and obvious that you think negatively of LR...and then proven with the above quote. He has no talent??...What??? hmmm...you just outed yourself as a "husker du" fanboy....nice...try to move beyond talentless punk music...

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 07.4.07 @ 05:50am

Richie was a hack who was one of the people who killed R&B and soul in the 80s, along with Billy Ocean and Marvin Gaye's Dad. His influence is practically nil.

Husker Du recorded seminal punk and hardcore albums and their influence is still heard in many bands today. You're boring to talk to. And stupid. And you probably smell bad. Like old people and fish.

Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 07.4.07 @ 11:53am

Reviews:

"Richie left the Commodores in 1981 for a solo career, becoming one of the most successful artists of the Eighties with five number 1 hits and thirteen consecutive Top 10 hits in the U.S."


"As his popularity skyrocketed, Richie moved farther away from his R&B origins and concentrated more on adult contemporary balladry."

"Can't Slow Down hit number one, eventually sold over ten million copies, and won the 1984 Grammy for Album of the Year."

He did not "ruin" R & B, he just went in a different direction, and became more of a "pop" artist. Boy, you really attribute a lot of "power" to one man to completely ruin an entire genre - pretty far fetched. Anita Baker's Rapture came out in 1986. Luther Vandross was succesful during the 80's and 90's, etc. There were also a lot of R & B acts during the 90's that were big. Sure, R & B changed from the 50's and 60's, but that is inevitable.


Hey even Marilyn Manson likes him:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1285/is_2_31/ai_69757506

The problem here Kit is that you are a jack of all trades and master of none (well, except punk, I will give you that).

Posted by Anon on Thursday, 07.5.07 @ 10:45am

"He did not "ruin" R & B, he just went in a different direction"

Direction - as in through the guard rail and into the liquid manure pond.

Dude, are you picking this MOR schlock just to be contrary? Why are Lionel Ritchie and "R & B" even in the same sentence? Because he is black? Please. He was flacid Adult Contemporary Pop from the start. You can't be serious.
"Hello"?

Posted by shawn mc on Thursday, 07.5.07 @ 12:18pm

Oh no, not another dumb "conversation" in which the facts of history and music are totally ignored to make a personal point - yuk, oh noooo....

Directly from Wikipedia:

"Back as a student in Tuskegee, he formed a succession of R&B groups in the mid-'60s. In 1968 he became the lead singer and saxophonist with the Commodores. They signed a recording contract with Atlantic Records in 1968 for one record before moving on to Motown Records."

He WAS an R & B artist - duh he was on Motown records. R & B artists vary in style. Yes, I agree that later he became much more of a pop singer and songwriter. That is all I was saying - and he was huge. But, again, I realize records sales "means nothing." Oh, well....

Posted by Anon on Thursday, 07.5.07 @ 12:33pm

"He WAS an R & B artist - "

When I said "from the start" I was assuming you understood me to mean from the start of his solo career, because that was the context which was being discussed, you tedious, obfuscating bunghole.
You began your post in support of Ritchie with this: ""Richie left the Commodores in 1981 for a solo career..."
MY GOD a debate with you is like a conversation with a goddamn 5 year old. Kit's right - you are boring to talk to; it's mostly nonsense with you. What's the point.

Posted by shawn mc on Thursday, 07.5.07 @ 13:17pm

Solo career, group, whatever...what are you an attorney? Objection, overruled....I was merely pointing out that he started in R & B and even in the 80's, many would still consider him an R & B artist.

Posted by Anon on Thursday, 07.5.07 @ 14:44pm

Review of the 1983 LR album from the RRHOF "Definitive 200 List":

"Can't Slow Down is probably Lionel Richie's best solo album, full of songs that would become hits--"All Night Long (All Night)," "Running with the Night," "Penny Lover," and "Hello." Like all of Richie's best music, the vocals are spare and the choruses inviting, with each track falling somewhere between straight-up pop and smoochy R&B."

Note "R & B" at the end - obviously, anyone knows that LR's solo career is not "straight" R & B, that is obvious, but it has its part in the music due to his "roots." And, not because he is "black."

Overruled!

--Courtney Kemp

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 07.5.07 @ 17:16pm

"..even in the 80's, many would still consider him an R & B artist."

Yes, and many would consider Carrot Top funny; it's still a lie, no matter the number.
What makes Lionel "Say You, Say Me" Ritchie any more R & B than other 80's era bromides Rod Stewart, Michael McDonald or Christopher Cross?
His Afro-Sheen and slightly darker skin? What about "Stuck On You", "Dancing on the Ceiling", and "Endless Love" scream soulful rythmic vibe?

Fucking Culture Club was more R & B oriented than Lionel. Now... I challenge you to just make an opposing counterpoint without retreating to cut and paste someone else's irrelevant article about his old GROUP The Commodores, of which, by the way, he sang all their ballads: "Easy", "Sail On", and "3 Times a Lady", while Walter Orange was lead vocals on their funk anthem "Brick House".

Posted by shawn mc on Thursday, 07.5.07 @ 17:26pm

"..somewhere between straight-up pop and smoochy R&B."

Ooo - well if you cut and pasted that opinion, then it must be so! Now that you've brought in your certificate of authenticity let me just say - Cram it, I don't care. Here's what my ears say:

Genuinely R&B in the 80's:
- Michael Jackson
- Janet Jackson
- Prince
- Rick James

Adult Comntemporary American Idol ammunition:
- Whitney Houston
- Billy Ocean
- DeBarge
- Lionel Ritchie

Posted by shawn mc on Thursday, 07.5.07 @ 17:41pm

Dude just take it easy, for a 41-year old guy you get all worked up over debating whether an artist is pop or R & B. I only sent that review because 1) It is from the RRHOF site, and 2) It demonstrates that many people still categorized him as pop and R & B during the 80's.

In any case, that list is your opinion, and I am sure plenty of people would categorize MJ and Prince as Pop too....and whats up with the AI comment, you and I can only wish that we were referenced on that show - it would mean that we were super wealthy and huge in the mainstream music business.

Aren't you the same guy that defended JM for being popular and saying that it is okay - now its not?? Hmm....can't wait for the next response..oh, and btw, if I am so boring, as you claim, then why do u even respond to me?

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 07.5.07 @ 17:55pm

I love how any time someone responds with more than one sentence to Anonymous they're getting worked up. And how suddenly critic's opinions are the Holy Gospel when before they were worthless. Do you think he just throws things at a dart board to decide what ridiculous position he will take today?

Posted by Kit on Thursday, 07.5.07 @ 22:13pm

ps: Shawn never mentioned pop as a genre in this thread. He was making his line between R&B and Adult Contemporary.

Posted by Kit on Thursday, 07.5.07 @ 22:42pm

"Aren't you the same guy that defended JM for being popular and saying that it is okay - now its not??"

Uh.. derr..- what?
Who brought popularity into it? Anon, seriously - are you mildly autistic? Are you capable of following a line of thought that actually remains connected to the matter at hand?

"and I am sure plenty of people would categorize MJ and Prince as Pop too"

Ummm...who brought a delineation between pop into this? Pop is an incredibly wide category. As Kit points out, I was challenging the R&B credentials of Ritchie and calling him an MOR toady; never faulted him by calling him "pop" - that's irrelevant.
Oh wait -- I see! - that's why you blurted that out: that's your bag. You work in irrelevance, tangentry and wacky logic like others work in clay and watercolors - you're an artist in the craft of ass talking.

" if I am so boring, as you claim, then why do u even respond to me?"

I dunno, really. I guess sometimes I just like to beat foul-smellimg things with a stick to see what happens.

Also: American Idol is nothing more than a vapid karaoke contest and a tool of Beelzebub himself. That's why there's sure to be a Lionel Ritchie songs night eventually.

Posted by shawn mc on Friday, 07.6.07 @ 01:50am

As far as AC type POP goes in the late 70's Lionel Ritchie pretty much was callin all the plays with hit after hit after hit....

Of course that in itself doesn't mean he warrants induction.

Many can catch a wave and ride it a ways.

I was NEVER really into him or his group.

But I must say that his song "Sail On" is a very interesting piece of music that is very hard to hang a label on. To me it is a combination of soul, pop-even modern country all blended into 1. I consider it one of the more unique mainstream hits songs as far as its musical influences are concerned. Usually when encountering such unique pieces of music there has to be a certain amount of musical knowledge/talent involved in creating them.

Posted by SG on Friday, 07.6.07 @ 01:57am

SG, I agree with you about "Sail On", and I'd throw "Easy" in there too as songs I find very captivating and appealing. Perhaps Ritchie's time with The Commodores was the apogee of his soulfullness.
Likewise, I enjoyed Michael McDonald very much as a Doobie Brother, but as a soloist in the 80's he bored me.

In my irritation over Anon's blathering I probably came off as dismissive of Lionel's talent. I'm just saying Ritchie wasn't driving the R&B bus in ANY direction come 1980-85...he got OFF of it and took the transfer to Adult Contemporary MOR when he started releasing the likes of "Truly" and "Penny Lover" and "Hello".

Posted by shawn mc on Friday, 07.6.07 @ 02:39am

Kit says: "I love how any time someone responds with more than one sentence to Anonymous they're getting worked up."

My conclusion that Shawn is "worked up" has nothing to do with the # of sentences typed - never said that or implied that. It has more to do with him saying:

"sometimes I just like to beat foul-smellimg things with a stick to see what happens."

"you tedious, obfuscating bunghole."

"you're an artist in the craft of ass talking."

I think they are kind of funny to read, but it suggests to me that he is a bit worked up over a RRHOF blog, which is strange to me.


"And how suddenly critic's opinions are the Holy Gospel when before they were worthles"

Never said critics werre "worthless." My only point of "pasting" that review was not to show whether the reviewer liked or disliked the music, which is the main point of a reviewer or critic. I did that only because the reviewer referred to one of his 1980's albums as having somewhat of an R & B sound. Which of course goes to the crux of what we had been talking about. Shawn was saying no way was he R & B and a reviewer contradicted him - that was it. So, you were off base again....

"I'm just saying Ritchie wasn't driving the R&B bus in ANY direction come 1980-85...he got OFF of it and took the transfer to Adult Contemporary"

He was an adult contemporary artist or pop (they are pretty synonomous), but some of the music had an R & B flavor -(i.e. see review of album "Can't slow Down" above).

As for my reference to the word "pop" - that was due to the reviewer's categorization of LR as a cross between "straight up Pop and smoochy R & B"). Remember that line?

Oh, and as if "Adult Contemporary" is not a fancy word for pop. He was a pop artist. Pop stands for "popular" music which often can include elements of Jazz, rock, r & b, etc. What is funny is that Wikipedia has a website page for "pop music." Listed there, among others for the 1980's, are Michael Jackson, Prince, Madonna,etc. and of course Lionel Richie is listed.

In any event, this is really getting old. If you want to think that his whole solo career was nothing more than AC, so be it. But, just realize that there are those not in full agreement. That was my only point....

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 07.6.07 @ 05:53am

"..an adult contemporary artist or pop (they are pretty synonomous).."

That's like saying horses and mammals are synononmous.

"Oh, and as if "Adult Contemporary" is not a fancy word for pop."

No, it's not.
All horses (AC) are mammmals (pop), but pop is a diverse categorization. Jazz, country, blues, rock, techno, reggae, dance, hip-hop, rap, metal, prog, folk, soul, punk, garage, funk, r&b... these all float about in the melting pot called pop. Pop is not an isolated sound or genre. In fact, its mere definition is elusive.

Some would tell you that "pop" means a level of simplicity in song structure, maybe an "accesible" melody, maybe it means "a beat you can dance to" - but that would not take pop ballads into account.

Some would proffer that "pop" signifies a broad appeal - something that, for whatever reason, is marketable to a larger audience than "non-pop", commonly known as "underground".
Husker Du, Rush, King Crimson, Particle, The Stooges, Kraftwerk, Sonic Youth - NOT pop by this definition.
How about Outkast or Gorillaz or Brian Eno? Depends on the individual song then, don't it?

Point is that your conjoining of Adult Contemp with Pop is bad science. Top 100 POP(ular) hits by Elvis Costello, U2, The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Prince, hell.. Joan Jett - by your rule they all must be AC.

Posted by shawn mc on Friday, 07.6.07 @ 12:16pm

You desperately need a life...

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 07.6.07 @ 15:34pm

Did you just refer to horses as "Adult Contemporary" and Mammals as "Pop"?


LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL,.....dude I honestly could not help laughing at that one...thanks for bringing a smile to my face :-)

I think it is safe to say that this "conversation" is over....

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 07.6.07 @ 15:37pm

Analogy = headache.

Posted by William on Friday, 07.6.07 @ 15:39pm

That's understandable Anon - computing an analogy is too much to ask out of you after you've had such a demanding day of stacking alphabet blocks and chewing on your blanket. Go take a nice nap and make a dooky; I'll leave you alone now, laughing boy.

Posted by shawn mc on Friday, 07.6.07 @ 17:43pm

Like I said, you desperately need a life, even William says you are giving everyone a headache...

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 07.6.07 @ 18:37pm

William was sarcastically imitating your reaction to the pretty standard analogy. Are you missing the point out of some sort of bizzarre streak of pacifism?

Posted by Kit on Friday, 07.6.07 @ 23:26pm

Now, you speak for William? My take was that William was trying to say that it was indeed a "headache" to read through the post. But, who knows, I would not "speak" for someone else.

In any event, my take was one of laughter (I truly was laughing as I was reading it) at the unbelievable effort he put into providing such a silly analogy...it was more funny than straining (i.e. as in a headache), particulary since LR was certainly a pop artist in every sense of the word (i.e. see Wikipedia page)...that was also the humor in it, that he put in so much effort in the post, and in the end , he is right, but also wrong...hey, didn't I say enough already??

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 07.7.07 @ 01:30am

"My take was.." Ha-ha-ha-ha...
Oh Anon - you amuse me so, clown. You are a wellspring of bitter buffoonery.


"my take was one of laughter..at the unbelievable effort he put into providing such a silly analogy"

It was really a very elementary analogy Anon, clean and easy and spontaneous; no such imagined "unbelievble effort" was expended. I'm sorry I made your brain sweat with it. How's that headache?

Tell me, what did you find "Silly" about it? Here, let me hand you a shovel; how deep is that hole now?

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 07.7.07 @ 11:29am

I agree it was elementary, but it was also silly. It can be both you know. What did I find silly about? I don't know, ask William.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 07.7.07 @ 12:12pm

OK, here's a less silly one: saying Adult Contemp is equivalent with Pop is as Geddy Lee's vocals are to noise. One is a sub category of the other, not a synonym, as you submitted.

Shall we abandon this and change the subject?
If you could pick 10 artists/bands for the 2008 induction ceremony, who would they be? Explain if need be.
What if you had to limit it to 7?

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 07.7.07 @ 13:14pm

Too much of a backlog, too much rancor over who's still outside lokking in. If I was on the nominating commitee, I'd say it's time to widen the doors.

Time to force the voters to invite in the underground/indie acts who are influence giants AND.... finally let some of the commercial successes over 10 years gone ignored now.

You've got to be realistic about the need to keep it mostly populist, and thus interesting to the public at large. But the so called underground scene needsshelf space each time too; otherwise it's a joke.

With all that in mind, here would be my hopeful inductions for the next 3 years:

2007

1. KING CRIMSON - get the prog ball rolling with the granddaddys.

2. GENESIS - prog needs some catching up anyway.

3. BIG STAR - just too goddamn affecting and legendary to let their obscurity be an excuse.

4. KRAFTWERK - seminal giants; have some fucking respect. Plus, removes the obstacle for Depeche Mode and Brian Eno.

5. MC5 - they should ride the Punk horse in just before Iggy does.

6. JEFF BECK - ask Dezmond why if you don't know.

7. THE CURE - post-punk/new wave mythical figures. These guys were too successful to make them wait behind Joy Division, who comes next year to fill in the history.

8. ALICE COOPER - time to recognize glam and an iconic character in rock.

9. STEVE MILLER BAND - underrated psychedelic blues artist who was a ubiquitous 70's hit machine. Some of the bestest, bestest pop-rock gems ever!!!

10. HUSKER DU - seminal... landmarks... post-punk essentials. They need in so that Sonic youth can follow.


2008

1. SONIC YOUTH - must haves.

2. THE REPLACEMENTS - unbelievable loads of influence. Raises the Hall's credibility stock by leaps to induct.

3. STEVIE RAY VAUGHAN - come on.

4. YES - logical next chapter for prog lessons.

5. DEEP PURPLE - get the heavy metal ball rolling again. It's been how many years since Black Sabbath now? Blue Cheer? Remember what I said about appeasing the masses; another year.

6. THE STOOGES - finally.

7. JOHN MELLENCAMP - if Petty, Joel, Browne and Seger are in this is a clear snub. Besides, he fucking deserves it because he's damn good.

8. JOY DIVISION - now New Order can procede with a clear conscience.

9. DOOBIE BROTHERS - they were rock/pop figureheads for like an entire decade; probably inspired 100's of barbands (don't get smart-) their string of instantly recognizable GOOD hits and giant 70's presence should trump any bitching about McDonald.

10. KISS - undeniable cultural phenoms, hate 'em or not. The Kiss Army and all; give them their goddamn due.


2009

1. ROXY MUSIC

2. THE BEASTIE BOYS - time for another rap act. It's alright, they were more than just rap-crap; very seminal.

3. MADONNA - irrefutably influential. Pop is rock; get over it.

4. BRIAN ENO - innovative and influential up the wazoo.

5. RUSH - fine, fine already. Their longevity and eternal commercial success is actually amazing.

6. CHICAGO - again, just a wildly succesful 70's band, blended many styles with rock, innovative sound, underrated - they've waited long enough and it's silly to not have them in.

7. TOM WAITS - influentially a heavy hitter. Rain Dogs alone..

8. HALL & OATES - astronaomically successful pop craftsmen; underrated early career. Please look beyond the cheese factor and appreciate how good they were at what they did.

9. BILLY PRESTON - a crime that they waited until he was dead. Legendary Where's Waldo-loke career through the 70's and a funky muther. The Hall is a poorer place without his afro.

10. RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS - innovative kick ass act that blended metal, funk, rock, punk. They were mega successful for a reason - they matured and wrote nasty, funky, lovely songs. Should get in just for being creative enough to turn their trademark hardcore-Fishbone-spazoid sound into eloquent accesible stuff. Blood Sugar Sex Magic is epic.

I eagerly invite your differing views and substitutions.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 07.9.07 @ 17:22pm

Shawn, thanks for putting in Rush, but before Rush, you left out a progressive giant - icons of music - The Moody Blues! Yes, I said that - BEFORE Rush... :-) (See Kit, I aint so bad)

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 07.9.07 @ 20:02pm

"..but before Rush, you left out a progressive giant - The Moody Blues!"

Yea, I had to make a choice between the Moodies, Jethro Tull, Yes and Rush for prog. I just took into account Rush's phenomenal staying power, fanbase, concert prowess and commercial longevity and thought they merited a Hall pass first by all tose accomplishments. But chronologically both the Moodies and Tull come first I guess.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 07.10.07 @ 02:53am

Hey Shawn !!! Nice draft picks. What about Run-DMC!!! Talk about leaving out Icons...

Posted by Joe-Skee on Tuesday, 07.10.07 @ 08:24am

Yes, I know Joe! My bad. Think I'd substitute them for The Beasties in 2010 (ceremony) and make BBs wait until 2011.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 07.10.07 @ 09:31am

Tou know Joe-Skee, I'd also think it'd be fine to make Madonna or Red Hots wait one more year and have Run DMC take their spot in line... but there'd probably be a full scale riot if 2 rap acts walked in simultaneously.

Also on 2nd thought, I forgot about Joe Cocker, eligible for 13 years! Cocker takes Red Hots spot, they get in 2011 ceremony. No shame in one a year wait; Prince did.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 07.10.07 @ 09:46am

all fighting aside, whom do you feel has a genuine chance in making the hall of fame. out of all the names above, which artist have a chance in this upcoming ceremony or ones to come. in a perfect world both madonna and janet will get in at the same time, but lets face it, madonna is going to get in before janet because madonna is the bigger artsit in that genre of music, but with a minor difference, janet is a cross-over hit, not just a R&B/Pop and dance artist, she's an all around pop star with music in every genre but country and metal(lets not argue about this fact, it's unnessary. you know it's true). i know it as much as you all know it, madonna is going to get inducted before her, despite her limited range in musical explorations and sticking to want she does best,100% pure pop/ dance music, nothing more or less. Madonna is the bigger star(fake english accent and all). She will be inducted without a doubt, but we mustn't forget her less appreciated and more daring competitor janet.

Posted by miquel on Wednesday, 07.11.07 @ 19:17pm

ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA..... JEFF LYNNE..GREAT SONG WRITER......

Posted by ROBERT on Tuesday, 07.17.07 @ 07:49am

HEART, PAT BENATAR ... HATE TO SAY THIS BUT FEMALE ROCKERS ARE GETTING OVERLOOKED BIG TIME.

Posted by MIKE on Thursday, 07.26.07 @ 12:40pm

I'm surprised to see that most list include only whites as being picked for favorites for the Rock & Roll Hall.

Hopefully the Rock & Roll Hall will do like they did last year and choose a minority whether the masses of people like it or not.

Don't worry Ms. Janet Jackson you're in.

Posted by guess on Saturday, 07.28.07 @ 22:39pm

Minorities (who'da thunkit?) represent a smaller portion of the population, ergo they represent a smaller number of eligible groups, ergo fewer are inducted. Looking at many of the past inductees, I'm not seeing any racial bias.

Posted by William on Sunday, 07.29.07 @ 19:03pm

Nominations for the ballot getting close for 2007.
Should there be less (5?) or much more (10,9?) inducted now?

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 08.22.07 @ 10:00am

I think inducting 5 a year is fine, but they need to nominate a lot more acts - at least 15, but I'd prefer 20.

Posted by A-Killa on Wednesday, 08.22.07 @ 18:56pm

Huh A-Killa? How does nominating 20 but still inducting only 5 help anything?

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 08.22.07 @ 19:45pm

I'd like to see more acts get a shot at being inducted. Last year only 9 acts were nominated, which meant the nominating committee was basically deciding who was going to be elected. I think electing 5 per year is more than enough, but the voters should have more choices.

Posted by A-Killa on Wednesday, 08.22.07 @ 20:41pm

The voters often don't know what to do with the choices offered them. They have passed on The Stooges 6 friggin times now, they passed on Kraftwerk, took them (3?) times to induct Patti Smith.
There is way, way too much of a backlog and catching up to do to accept 5 as "plenty". No way the likes of Sonic Youth and The Replacements and King Crimson are going to make it in unless there are more slots available each year.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 08.22.07 @ 21:00pm

I agree with A-Killa. I would like to see more nominees each year, but then actually inducting a steady 5 each year is fine. Yes, there is still a backlog now, but the real deserving choicing start thinning out pretty soon, so let's not rush to get too many favorites in now and then in the years to come we are scraping the bottom just to find worthy nominees.

What needs to be fixed is not the number of inductees, but the quality of the inductees. Like last year, passing up The Stooges (again) for The Ronnettes? If they could be better at electing the worthy inductees from the nominee list, then many problems would be solved and over the next years we would get rid of the backlog of worthy artists still waiting their turn.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 08.23.07 @ 10:14am

Would you like to see the backlog unclogged and the upcoming candidates all inducted in, say, 10 years?
If so, they could induct 8 per year and STILL be behind in a decade. And this is without giving a second thought to the "Maybe's" list of 37 I compiled below.
Do the math: just dividing up the "Likely's" list (which I know, I know not all of you will agree with) by 10 years requires over 6 per year. Added together with the Likelies from each upcoming year... some ewill still be left out - and probably dead before they can perform at the ceremony, which would be nice.

Upcoming Likelies:
(2007) Beastie Boys, Janet Jackson, Madonna, Metallica, Sonic Youth, Sting (??George Clinton, Violent Femmes, Afrika Bambaataa?)
(2008) Run DMC, Stevie Ray Vaughan (??Pulp, Bon Jovi?)
(2009) Red Hot Chili Peppers, Jesus & Mary Chain, (?? The Pogues, The Pet Shop Boys?)
(2010) Dinosaur Jr., The Flaming Lips (?? My Bloody Valentine, Stone Roses, LL Cool J, Happy Mondays?)
(2011) The Melvins, Yo La Tengo, Guns N' Roses
(2012) Public Enemy, Jane's Addiction, Pixies (??Sugercube?)
(2013) (?? De La Soul, Melissa Etheridge, Living Colour, Mudhoney?)
(2014) Nirvana, Green Day (??Mother Love Bone, NIN, Lenny Kravitz, Pavement?)
(2015) Smashing Pumpkins, Blur
(2016) Pearl Jam (??Stereolab, Tori Amos?)


63 "likely" Artists waiting:
Love, MC5, Jeff Beck, Deep Purple, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Leonard Cohen, Steve Miller Band, T.Rex, Alice Cooper, Chicago, Joe Cocker, King Crimson, Nick Drake, The Stooges, Warren Zevon, Yes, The J. Geils Band, Bill Withers, The Doobie Brothers, ELO, Kraftwerk, Steve Winwood, War, Big Star, Hall & Oates, Lou Reed, Richard Thompson, Roxy Music, Brian Eno, Judas Priest, Kiss, ABBA, Tom Waits, Rush, New York Dolls, Todd Rundgren, Donna Summer, John Mellencamp, Cheap Trick, Chic, The Jam, Peter Gabriel, Television, Wire, XTC, The Cars, The Cure, Dire Straits, Gang of Four, Joy Division, Kate Bush, The B-52's, Pat Benatar, Depeche Mode, Eurythmics, Husker Du, New Order, The Replacements, Robyn Hitchcock, Sonny Boy Williamson, Billy Preston, Cat Stevens

37 "maybe" Artists waiting:
The Moody Blues, Jim Croce, Harry Chapin, Steppenwolf, Blood Sweat and Tears, Dr. John, Blind Faith, Flying Burrito Brothers, Johnny Winter, Linda Ronstadt, Three Dog Night, The Meters, Gentle Giant, Mountain, Supertramp, Bruce Cockburn, Carly Simon, Little Feat, Thin Lizzy, Pete Townshend, Peter Frampton, Graham Parker, Heart, The Runaways, The Buzzcocks, Black Flag, The Fall, Siouxsie Sue & the Banshees, Squeeze, Toto, X, Rick James, The Dead Kennedys, Iron Maiden

Posted by shawen on Thursday, 08.23.07 @ 11:56am

WOW...that's a mouthful

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 08.23.07 @ 20:18pm

Of note, The Stooges weren't passed over simply by The Ronettes. In fact, The Ronettes likely finished in fourth place. We know that Dave Clark Five had more votes than Grandmaster Flash once the late ballots rolled in. So that puts The Stooges at seventh place at best, not counting the reports that Chic was heavily in the running for selection. Horrifying when you consider that they were the most integral act to the rock canon of all nine nominees. :(

Posted by Casper on Friday, 08.24.07 @ 15:08pm

Well pointed out, Casper. Shameful and bewildering.

Posted by shawn on Friday, 08.24.07 @ 16:48pm

Personally, I think it would be a travesty if the Beastie Boys and Madonna were not put in with their rightful class. Their impact on music is undeniable, and without question.

Metallica is indeed a front runner, along with Janet Jackson, although I think she would prefer to be inducted in 2011, coinciding with the release of Control.

Having said that, it is IMPERATIVE that both Afrika Bambaataa AND George Clinton with their class as well, as there are countless artists (like Prince, who has already been inducted) who list these two musical giants among their influences.

Finally, they've got to make up for last year and SERIOUSLY consider inducting Chic - Nile Rodgers has influenced modern music in ways that are too obvious to ignore.

Not only them, but Luther Vandross deserves STRONG consideration as well, as he served the music world not only as a backup singer but also as a writer and producer. Let's not forget the fact that he, too, has been mentioned among any number of artists as one of their influences.

Posted by Dr. DiRossi on Sunday, 08.26.07 @ 08:30am

George Clinton is already in the Hall for his work with Parliament / Funkadelic. Not sure he needs induction for his "solo" work.

Posted by c.w. on Sunday, 08.26.07 @ 10:59am

K. This year's ballot is....

1. Dave Clark Five - Finished fifth after the late ballots came in. Here to rectify last year's bad publicity mishap.

2. The Stooges - Of all the previously nominated acts, this one will continue to hang around until finally ushered in. If the ballot listed them as "Iggy & The Stooges" as some of their album printings did, I think they'd be a shoe-in. Yes, the voters are that uninformed.

3. Beastie Boys
4. Madonna
5. Metallica
6. Sonic Youth - This upcoming round is extremely annoying because all four of these seem like locks, meaning little to no room for any lesser knowns cracking the top spot.

7. Sting - Police wankfest will continue with its frontman's only solo nomination.

Janet's considered a joke, Joe Tex probably earned like six votes in the last election. For number eight, I'll go with....

8. Chic - And this is only based off of substantial rumors that they were doing well in last year's voting.

#9 will be like The Crystals or something. The Hall will continue to ignore indie, Nick Drake, Leonard Cohen, etc...

Next year is when things will finally start happening and they'll need to take a look back at prior omissions or else suffer the ramifications of a really shitty ballot.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 08.29.07 @ 12:43pm

I wouldn't even try to guess what Wenner and his lackies will come up with this time. If I was the Boss of the Ballot though, this would be my list for 2007:
1. KING CRIMSON - prog already.

2. GENESIS - prog redemption.

3. BIG STAR - no excuses. Shut the hell up.

4. KRAFTWERK - have some fucking respect.

5. MC5 or The Stooges - either way, get it done fer Krist's sake.

6. JEFF BECK - c'MON!

7. THE CURE - don't look like dorks again.

8. ALICE COOPER - Wenner shoulda been guillotened by now for this miss.

9. STEVE MILLER BAND - underrated and forsaken.

10. HUSKER DU - They need in so that Sonic youth can follow.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 08.29.07 @ 13:52pm

How many get in ach year? 5-6?

Anything can happen, but I'd think Madonna would get in her first year of eligibility. It's not like bypassing Elvis Presley- yeah, we know, she isn't Joni Mitchell in terms of the music in and of itself (though she surely has the template fore great pop music over the last 25 years). Bu the impact- in entertainment/music spolling over to cultural- is undeniable.

I read something that maybe voters will not look to Beastie Boys at first, because it wasn't until 1986/1987 that their impact took shape- but, would that really make a difference in voters' minds?

Janet Jackson? As far as being an automatic inductee, I don't think so. She has done some things that have been great- but she took control post-Madonna, and her impact has never been anywhere near as big. Maybe down the road, but not now.

Metallica? Good chance there. However, there'a always past ones who were snubbed, who could get the in this year.

Is there something on this site that outlines who got in when first eligible?

Posted by JR on Thursday, 09.6.07 @ 21:49pm

It won't make much of a difference to voters about when The Beasties actually jumped over to hip-hop, but it might result in the nominating committee refraining from their ballot placement this year. Not sure if I agree with that.

Here's all of the artists that got in during the first year they were eligible. Note that there are plenty of artists (take Van Halen/The Ronettes for example) that made it in the first time they were on the ballot.

2007 - R.E.M.
2005 - U2/The Pretenders
2004 - Prince
2003 - The Clash/Elvis Costello/The Police
2002 - The Ramones/Talking Heads/Tom Petty
2000 - Bruce Springsteen
1998 - The Eagles
1995 - Led Zeppelin/The Allman Brothers Band
1994 - The Band/Elton John/John Lennon
1993 - Creedence Clearwater Revival
1992 - Van Morrison/The Doors/Sly & The Family Stone/Jimi Hendrix
1991 - The Byrds
1990 - The Kinks/Simon & Garfunkel/The Who
1989 - The Rolling Stones/Stevie Wonder
1988 - The Beach Boys/The Beatles/Bob Dylan
1986 - Buddy Holly/Chuck Berry/Elvis Presley/Everly Brothers/Fats Domino/James Brown/Jerry Lee Lewis/Little Richard/Ray Charles/Sam Cooke


Of Note: Neil Young's debut solo album was released in late 1968, so he might not have made the qualifications for being on the 1994 ballot and was therefore left for the next one. Same for The Beach Boys.

There was certainly a backlog at the start and they didn't want the ballot to be TOO large, but these results certainly prove the notion that the nominators/voters aren't ever "modern" to be quite accurate.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 09.6.07 @ 23:17pm

Few addendum, I meant to put Neil Young in the 1995 column and BROOOOOOOOOOOOOCE went in during 1999.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 09.6.07 @ 23:20pm

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Don Henley as a solo artist.

Doen't he attend the induction ceremonies often?

Henley seems likely to make the Final Ballot with Madonna, Metallica, Sting & the Beastie Boys.

Janet Jackson, Afrika Bambaataa, Ice-T and Sonic Youth are also possibilities but not definite.

Posted by David on Saturday, 09.8.07 @ 18:43pm

David, we try to delude ourselves into thinking Wenner's cronies are above placing Henley on the ballot.

We're so wrong. :(

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 09.9.07 @ 13:43pm

Casper -

I wish there was a messageboard on this site. I like reading your posts.

It is not all Wenner's fault. Look at the RRHOF's permanent exhibit: The 500 Songs That Shaped Rock And Roll. http://www.rockhall.com/exhibithighlights/500-songs/

This exhibit is like a radar detector for who has been getting inducted. It is also the only rationale for questionable inductees like Percy Sledge, The Ronettes, etc.

Posted by David on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 07:51am

Metallica and probably Madonna are locked in to be Hall of Famers within the next couple of years.

Metallica is by far my favorite band of all time, but it would not sit all that well with me if they are inducted before Judas Priest and KISS; no excuses why those bands haven't been inducted yet

Posted by James on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 22:10pm

Metallica and Madonna are locks. Their influence and artistic merit is not( by reasonable people) questioned. I like both of them and feel they have raised the artform of music. I have really come to respect Madonna more in the last 5 years listening to her old stuff as well as current stuff. It is remarkable how many noncommercial/experimental tracks she has put on many of her CD's. I was particularly impressed that, after her career hit a temporary skid in 1994, she finally had a huge hit again, Take A Bow. Most other artists would release the most commercial song as their next release. What did Madonna do? Released the least commercial song next, Bedtime Story( Co-written with Bjork) against WBR strong objections. THAT I respect her for.

Beastie Boys are almost certainly in. I am not sure if the committee will nominate Sonic Youth. That is a toughie.

Posted by Andrea on Monday, 09.24.07 @ 13:49pm

This is a very interesting list. I don't think they will nominate the Beastie Boys this year - although they most certainly will get in in the near future or sooner. I like Madonna and think she has had an absolutely brilliant career. However, I have read in music publications that she lip syncs in her concerts. If this is true, she should be automatically disqualified from being in the rock and roll hall of fame.

I would love to see Ice T get nominated for the Rock hall of fame. Ice T is the godfather of west coast rap, which was a huge commercial force in the 1990s. His band, Bodycount, also foreshadowed a lot of the Nu-Metal that is very popular right now. On top of that he is well known to be one of the top live performers in rap and is well liked and respected within the music industry. He is also known and remembered for many of his acting roles in films and TV.

Posted by Sneak on Tuesday, 09.25.07 @ 00:54am

The Rock n Roll hall of fame should stick to ROCK, NO disco or dance or RAP, these arn't rock. Also personal opinons by "people of power" should keep out of any voting. People who like rock will not be as interested in a ROCK HALL OF FAME if it includs non rock acts, or change the name to "THE RAP, DISCO AND DANCE HALL OF FAME!!

Posted by gary on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 10:05am

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU LOSERS. YOU DONT NEED TO BE ROCK TO GET IN & IF IT WAS ONLY FOR ROCK ARTIST THEN CALL UP THE ANTI DISCRIMINATION BAORD & THEYLL BUIST THE ROCK HALLS ASS

Posted by martin on Friday, 11.2.07 @ 00:24am

Interesting little list here at year's end:
http://www.spinner.com/category/the-hit-list/

Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 19:04pm

How in god's name are the Go Go's (first and still only females rock band who played their own instruments and wrote their own music) and KISS (most theatrically influential band of all time not in the hall of fame. (I am not even fans of these bands, but, what a rip that they are not in and Elvis Costello is? The guy had like 2 hits!

They need to get some truly deserving in there before we start seeing 1 hit rappers in there every year from now on. My God, it tood Earth Wind & Fire forever to get in. Who's next? The Partridge Family? Damn... get it right, Hall.

More who deserve to be in...
Hall and Oates
The Cars
Doobies
I don't know if ZZTop is in... if not, that is an absolute crime.

Posted by ron mikell on Saturday, 01.12.08 @ 00:09am

Doug Sahm gave his life to music. Why is he not in there?

Posted by r bazet sr on Saturday, 03.1.08 @ 07:13am

No doubt that Doug Sahm was a very talented musician, but outside of the Sir Douglas Quintet, he didn't do a lot in rock. He made most of his noise in country (another sub-genre called "Tex Mex"). Maybe as a sideman??

Posted by Terry on Saturday, 03.1.08 @ 08:03am

Is Stevie Ray Vaughan eligible this year or next year. He should be a lock

Posted by Collen Kelton on Wednesday, 03.12.08 @ 17:21pm

Sting's already been inducted with the Police so give him a few more years to go in as a solo artist. I'm hoping for Berlin, Big Country, Culture CLub, John Waite, and Wham! I wonder what the Wham! induction speech would sound like....I hope George and Andrew can put their differnces aside.

Posted by Julie on Wednesday, 03.12.08 @ 22:44pm

My picks:

1. Sonic Youth
2. Cocteau twins
3. Metallica
4. Beastie Boys
5. Talk Talk
6. Violent Femmes

Maybe a few others, like Bad Brains or The Waterboys, but those six are definitely necessary.

Posted by Liam on Wednesday, 03.26.08 @ 12:08pm

In order of importance:

1) Sonic Youth
2) Metallica
3) Cocteau Twins
4) Violent Femmes
5) Beastie Boys
******************
6) Janet Jackson
7) Dream Syndicate
8) Bad Brains
9) Talk Talk

I personally love the Waterboys but don't see enough influence. Sting may get Hall support as a solo artist but his most important work is biggest influence is with the Police. As a solo artist someone like Peter Gabriel has a better argument than Sting. Same with George Clinton who is already in.

As for my picks? Sonic Youth is easily one of the biggest snubs so far. Anyone that doesn't hear their leasting influence is oblivious. Metallica gets in this year. Cocteau Twins? They pretty much defined dream pop also setting the stage for what would become known as shoegaze. Where would bands like My Bloody Valentine, Spiritualized, Stereolab, Mazzy Star, Galaxie 500, etc be without them? Violent Femmes? Perhaps no other 80's album struck a chord with disaffected American youth like the Femmes S/T debut did. Folsky, raw and energetic at the same time. It's a widely regarded classic, and was instrumental in bringing college radio (and what would become alternative) to a larger audience. Their subsequent releases were not as strong, but certainly noteworthy. I do think they have a chance. Beastie Boys. I hated License To Ill but the Beasties actually made some rather eclectic recordings after that.

Next tier. The Hall will induct another Pop/R&B Diva and Janet certainly has better credentials than say Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey or any of the other 80's & 90's divas. Dream Syndicate? An important band on the early 80's Underground and Paisley rock scene. Enough to get in? No, but a good band. Bad Brains? An all-black hardcore band that mixed in a bit of reggae, jazz and metal. Pretty influential but member changes and a rather spotty output keeps them out. Talk Talk? Many only remember a couple of MTV hits, but they were one of the more expirimental and album oriented bands to emerge from the "New Wave" scene. The "Colour of Spring" and "Spirit of Eden" are excellent albums.

Posted by ms.music on Friday, 10.3.08 @ 17:55pm

i think it's a disgrace that Billy Preston has not been in either.....got to be kidding me!!!

Posted by FeFe on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 14:12pm

The Fixx
Violent Femmes
Janet Jackson
Beastie Boys
Dokken
Kenny G

Posted by on Tuesday, 02.24.09 @ 17:02pm

Mercyful Fate
Manowar
Sonic Youth
Violent Femmes

Posted by S.R on Saturday, 03.28.09 @ 16:44pm

So many artists became eligible in 2007....and they all suck

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Posted by Kerryboxy on Sunday, 07.5.09 @ 19:54pm

Okay, I've put on my official "Wenner-Marsh Thinking Cap", and here's the 2009 inductees...NO DOUBT (no, just "no doubt"...not the group);

-1910 Fruitgum Company
-Menudo
-Bay City Rollers
-The Village People
Steve Perry (solo...couldn't resist)

Early Influence-Johnny Ray (he'd tear the stage down if he were still around)

Sideman-the guy playing the washboard on Mungo Jerry's "In The Summertime"

If I did an informed guess, it probably wouldn't be that close...

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 07.7.09 @ 20:12pm

The Archies are a shoo-in, since "Archie & Jughead" (aka Wenner & Marsh) are on the nominating committee...

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 07.7.09 @ 20:31pm

Bad Brains
Beastie Boys
Janet Jackson
Sonic Youth
Sting
Violent Femmes

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 07.9.09 @ 15:43pm

Sting solo is another long shot

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Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 07.15.09 @ 18:05pm

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Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 07.15.09 @ 18:03pm
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Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 07.15.09 @ 18:36pm

Ohio Players. What does it take for these funk pioneers to be in the Hall? With 15 gold records to their credit I would think they are shoo in.

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