One of the biggest oversights that the hall has made. They should have been inducted around the same time as Woody Guthrie and Lead Belly. They influenced rock and roll at least three times.

Rockabilly - 50's
Folk Revival 60's
Rock Folk Country Blues Fusion - 70's

Don't forget that Johnny Cash was so influenced by them that he married 2nd Generation Carter Family member, June Carter. She is the one that wrote Ring of Fire.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 07/11/2017 @ 07:28am

The Carter Family

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Family

The Carter Sisters

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Carter_Sisters

Posted by Roy on Monday, 08/27/2018 @ 16:19pm

They would go in the early influence category.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 08/27/2018 @ 16:20pm

The Carter Family and The Osmonds should have been inducted years ago. Donnie & Marie have influenced more singers than I can count. I would be hard-pressed to think of a 70's or young 80's singer who doesn't like or respect Donnie & Marie. They still are singing and have mostly sold out shows. Both The Carter Family & The Osmonds are glaring omissions. June Carter was the real deal singer and guitarist. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 08/27/2018 @ 16:42pm

Roy read the Carter sisters. They changed their name to the Carter family in 1960. I remember them being called the Carter Family on the Johnny Cash Show. Their first recording was done as the Carter Sisters.

Yes they qualify for early influence as do the Andrew Sisters and you list them in your list.

The Carter Family should have been inducted around the same time as Lead Belly and Woody Guthrie.

Did you know Woody Guthrie considered the Carter Family an influence as did many Folk artist? Think of it this way - all Country is - is a variant form of folk that is indigenous to Southern US.

All said and done, I would still not be surprised to see the nom com lup them both together, even though they are different groups.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 08/27/2018 @ 17:08pm

This is to all the people who are saying no to the Carter Family.

NO CARTER FAMILY - NO ROCK AND ROLL----PERIOD

This is where lead guitar came from

Now you can fall for the JW fantasy fairytale that says r&r came out of r&b or you can actually vet your sources to make sure they are not one of JWs propagandist and actually do your own research.

SIDE NOTE !!!!! r&b is a marketing term made up to define music that is MARKETED to African Americans. Blues and Jazz 2 separate genres were incorrectly placed in this category despite the fact that both of these genres had existed since the late 1800s.

Look up the Carter Family and the big names in eary r&r like Elvis, Chuck Berry and Little Richard.

Rock came out of a fusion of the blues and country.


Now people have said that rock and roll was an African American term for sex. If that was so than why did a country song come out in 51 titled Roll in My Sweet Baby's Arms.

Maybe just maybe these are general southern terms.

Rocket 88 is a big band song

listen to Move It On Over which came out 3 years earlier and has more elements that were picked up in r&r.

Now go look it up. Vet your sources and make sure that they have no connection to JW or the nom com.

You will find that the general consensus is that r&r is a fusion of blues and country and that r&r started in 1955.

NOTE !!!!! If you are going to use Alan Freed's playlist as an argument, just remember he played songs that payed to play.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 08/29/2018 @ 06:54am

Hey Zuzu,

I just voted Yes. I think you are correct on The Carter Family and and I have come to realize that they are very deserving to be inducted as an Early Influence. We may have our differences regarding the origin of rock & roll, but there is no denying that country is one of its main influences.

Regarding the No votes: you argue from the point of view that the Carter Family SHOULD be inducted. And I agree that you are correct that they should. But that is not the question asked. The site asks if they WILL be inducted. And one of the main concerns is that the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame doesn't really seem to care that much about the Early Influence Category. Since 2000, only four people have been inducted in the Early Influences, including two people that were not Early at all, Wanda Jackson (who should have been inducted in the Performer category, IMO) and Freddie King, and one that was just borderline early, The "5" Royales. I don't know if the No voters take this into consideration, but I am afraid that this neglect of this category could mean that an act like The Carter Family may never be inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 08/29/2018 @ 08:50am

Claw,

I strongly suspect most people vote on who they think belongs in the hall and not on who they think will get inducted. As much as I try to focus will instead of should I do occasionally fall into should from time to time. Especially when it comes to Rufus and Chaka Khan. This is a hard one for me because I grew up only about 3 or 4 miles away from Chaka Khan.

Look at who some of the artist that people on here are saying yes to. They may get a nomination but there is no way in hell that they will get the votes.

I realize they are pushing ahead and they have been having mostly garbage dump ballots since 2000 to bypass 70s artist in order to put in 80s artist. They use that little rule about 1st record to put in artist that took longer to become relevant.

Back in January or February I spilled water on my lap top and had to get a new computer. I lost all my bookmarks so it is a problem finding where I got info from. I think Wanda Jackson was pushed in because of a woman that was on the nom com. At least I recall that she was but I could not find who it was on a quick search and so it might have been a woman hand picked for the voting body. what I recall of my research was that she had written books on country artist and was big on Wanda Jackson. Problem is she seemed clueless about the importance of Patsy Cline.

Now as far as evaluation goes most people blow off boomers and their reactions on who is getting into the hall. The hall is in trouble. They really picked the wrong place because they have very low attendance numbers. Donations are what is keeping them afloat. The artist have been complaining about the process for awhile. Now the last of the boomers will be retiring over the next 10 years. With time on their hands there are going to be more and more noticing who has been and who has not been inducted into the hall. I think it is going to reach critical mass in 5 to 7 years and it will result in a huge backlash against the hall. I do not see the hall surviving this. Just remember which generation is known for going postal. It may not be the real reason for growing anger with people my age but it will be a symbolic representation.

Also consider what is popular today. A lot focuses on a fusion or rock, country and folk. Interesting enough the 70s focused on a fusion of rock, country, folk and blues. Right now the nom com is behind the curve and they need to get ahead of the curve to survive. The only way to do that is to go back and not forward and induct artist from the early 60s and from the 70s that were missed.

It has to be done in order to survive. There is no other way around it. I do not feel sorry for them because they brought this mess on themselves. they could have avoided this problem in one of 2 ways.

1 not pushing forward and getting important artist from the early 60s and 70s in before going to the 80s. Which was stupid since the 80s are considered the worst decade for music.

2 They could have separate inductions for gen x and millenials, each with their own group of early influence.

That last thing to note is that people forget about southern whites going north to get work. There are several state that are split between southern and northern culture because of it. States like Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, Michigan and Ohio. It might help to have country artist inducted to bring in people from their own state.

With all of this I have not given up on the possibility of country artist being and they better not jump ahead to more current artist. That will backfire against them because country fans tend to respect their past unlike some people who claim to be into rock and roll.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 08/29/2018 @ 12:08pm

I think you have a point regarding the voting behaviour of the people on this site. Many people probably don't even make the distinction between "will" and "should". You see that most clearly when a fangroup has discovered the website. Suddenly a band with almost no chance gets an influx of Yes votes. Ever heard of Tokyo Hotel?

I am not familiar with that Wanda Jackson story, but I will check it out. Let me know if you have found the name of the person that pushed for her. If I remember it well, the rumor that went around back then was that she was ill and that the Hall wanted to have her in while she was still alive. I don't know if it is true, as it is only a rumor. Luckily, she is still among us. But if it is true, it is kinda odd that they are not pushing for more artists from the first decade of rock n roll that are still among us, like Chubby Checker (don't get me started on the Single Category, I think it was well intended but ultimately a bad idea).

I don't know how we got from The Carter Family into a discussion on baby boomers. I don't want to spend too many time on this topic, because I don't think that is fair to that band, but a couple of points I would like to make:

I was interested in which years the most inductees released their first record. Between 1963 and 1969, each year saw on average 11 future inductees making their debut. In the next 7 years, 1970 to 1976, the average number was only 5. I didn't realize that. It always felt like the 1970s were well-represented, but it is clear that they are still well behind the 1960s.

Back to something that concerns the Carter Family: country. I could see artists with crossover appeal getting nominated. The name "Willie Nelson" is regularly uttered in conversations. Emmylou Harris also seems like a person with the right connections that straddles that fine line between folk, country, and rock. I predict that she gets inducted on her first nomination. And I'd like to think that Patsy Cline also has a chance, but there is currently not much interest in that time period on rock hall ballots. I am afraid that her momentum has passed, although I'd like to be proven wrong.

Respecting their past... That is exactly the reason why I think that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should pay more attention to the Early Influence category. They have a responsibility as an educational institute to also acknowledge the artists from before '55 that paved the way, whether they played country, blues, rhythm & blues, gospel, jazz, etc. And it might sound like something that doesn't bring people to the induction ceremony, but let's be honest: the Sister Rosetta Tharpe induction was probably the most impressive part of this year's ceremony.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 08/29/2018 @ 18:23pm

Claw... though neither Elvis Costello nor Bruce Springsteen are on the NomComm, they were both outspoken advocates for Wanda Jackson, especially Costello. If I had to guess, I'd bet that Landau did Bruce's bidding and led the push for Wanda in the meeting. That is of course merely a hypothesis.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 08/29/2018 @ 21:11pm

Claw,

I did a quick check and can't find the woman the I was talking about. I could be that she is just in the voting body. It could also be that I found this info through the back door (while searching for another person). I have a feeling that the only way I will find out who it is won't happen till I can access the bookmarks on my old computer. I will still keep searching and let you know if I find it. By the way it wasn't a story , but speculation on my part that this person pushed for Wanda Jackson.

You need to mention boomers vs gen x or mils when talking about country and rock or rock and roll. There is a big difference in perspective. The shock jocks refused to recognize country infused rock and a lot of rock went underground in the country genre. hint hint Kenny Rogers and the outlaws.

bad ideas from rs and nom com

Nashville and Bakersfield are not the centers for country music there is no country rock neither can tell the difference between folk and country elements and blues is also fused in. forget about Bakersfield and put in Austin. Outlaws

John Prine and Gram Parsons are not country

I should also include John Denver.

John Prine is folk go look up the Old Town School of music.

the rs list of most important country artist list is a joke

Stop nominating Gram Parsons and try Emmylou Harris. Sometimes the woman is more important

Conway Twitty did not have enough influence on r&r forget him and let's get the big Bopper


Country artist that I think should be considered

Carter Family gen 1 & 2
Patsy Cline
Willie Nelson
Emmylou Harris
Kris Kristoferson
Waylon Jennings
Dottie West - check out who jammed at Dottie's
Mel Tillis - Look at who covered him Detroit City
Jerry Reed - Guitar player extraordinaire
Glen Campbell
Kenny Rogers - solo or with 1st Edition
David Alan Coe
Highwaymen

on fence due to do they have enough and did they influence r&r

Bobby Bare 500 Miles
Bobbie Gentry
Jim Stafford - Wildwood Weed look who he has played with
Tanya Tucker
Dolly Partton
Loretta Lynn


I know once I hit send I'll kick myself for forgetting a name or two.


I do not think it is lack of interest but that they are digusted with JW and the hall. This is why hall attendance is low. You do know that Patsy Cline's greatest hits album released int the early 2000's is in the Guiness Book of World Records for being the album by a woman to stay on the charts the longest?

When the old artist get in then I will think about later artist

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 08/30/2018 @ 22:07pm

Hey Zuzu! Are you the same Zuzu who posts in the Digital Dream Door forum?

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09/1/2018 @ 12:34pm

Sorry Zuzu! I was confusing you with Zach.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09/1/2018 @ 12:38pm

Roy,

Did you ever see It's a Wonderful Live? It's the name of the youngest daughter. So you see if is a girl's name.

It is a Polish variant of my given name and what my Polish born grandmother called me.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 09/1/2018 @ 13:39pm

https://countrymusichalloffame.org/Inductees/InducteeDetail/carter-family

Only the three original members of Carter Family were inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame.

01. A. P. Carter (1927–1944, 1952–1956)
02. Maybelle Carter (1927–1978)
03. Sara Carter (1927–1944, 1952–1956, 1960–1971)

Carter Family

01. A. P. Carter (1927–1944, 1952–1956)
02. Maybelle Carter (1927–1978)
03. Sara Carter (1927–1944, 1952–1956, 1960–1971)
04. Janette Carter (1939–1940, 1952–1956)
05. Helen Carter (1939–1940, 1944–1996)
06. June Carter (1939–1940, 1944–1969, 1971–1996)
07. Anita Carter (1939–1940, 1944–1996)
08. Joe Carter (1952–1956)

Mother Maybelle and the Carter Sisters

01. Maybelle Carter
02. June Carter
03. Helen Carter
04. Anita Carter

Mother Maybelle and the Carter Sisters had four members who were members of the Carter Family as well.

Both groups can be inducted in the Early Influence category, and make Maybelle, June, Helen and Anita two-time inductees.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/7/2019 @ 16:10pm

I completely forgot this page was here.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/7/2019 @ 16:11pm

The name of the group is Carter Family, not The Carter Family.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 02/8/2019 @ 16:27pm

Early Influence

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 21:16pm

The Carter Family should be inducted under the Early Influence category.

Posted by J.W. on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 16:22pm

I'd put the Carter family over anybody - individual, group. rock 'n roll, pop, or you name it.

Posted by edward c. stengel on Friday, 12/8/2023 @ 15:28pm