New York Dolls

Not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

Eligible since: 1998 (The 1999 Induction Ceremony)

Nominated in: 2001   

Previously Considered? Yes  what's this?


Inducted into Rock Hall Revisited in 2002 (ranked #178) .


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I have too many comments about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but I will say this. The Hall of Fame continually neglects some of the most influental groups in all genre's It always pisses me off when I see the forerunners of a genre like "The New York Dolls" be cast aside only to induct bands that have admitingly wouldn't be where they are without them ie: "The Clash" (Who I LOVE) and "The Sex Pistols" (Who think they started Punk): insert joke here, but you also take Singer sonwriter like Tom Waits or Bands that started "New Wave" music like "The Cars" and although I am not a huge fan even "Van Halen" has a place in my opinion there. I truly hope the Hall gets a clue when it comes to induction of bands that not only deserve to be there, but also changed the face of their respective genre's, or they could just induct "Eric Clapton" again (Love him as well) but please see my point with an open mind. In closing I have two things to say 1. Thank You Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for keeping "Kiss" out of the Hall. 2. Stevie Ray Vaughn better get in on his 1st try or there really is something wrong with the Hall and it needs a injection of lifeblood..

Posted by Carney on Friday, 09.1.06 @ 09:30am


I'd disagree with their induction. A minor influence if anything, and the material wasn't very great in the first place. More deserving than about a half dozen in the Hall now, but that shouldn't be an adequate reason for their induction.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 01.4.07 @ 18:38pm


You are dead wrong Casper whoever you are. I wonder how old you are. I was there. The Dolls were so far ahead of their time. Johansen rapped before rap had a name. They were glam. They were punk. Before any of these things had a label. To me they were just kick ass rock n roll. They were responsible for starting a whole area in music. And got shit. And shit on. Innovation? Influence? Listen to how many bands who now admit they were influenced by the dolls. More deserving than half of who is in now, I agree. All the more reason they deserve to be there, before they are all dead would be nice.

Posted by Carol on Thursday, 06.14.07 @ 14:10pm


Johansen rocks....although he turned his back on rock n roll because he was bitter I think and trying to make a living, there was no one better back in the day, and he has certainly paid his dues.

Posted by Kate on Thursday, 06.14.07 @ 14:29pm


Feelin' hot hot hot!!!! Buster Poindexter.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Thursday, 06.14.07 @ 17:01pm


The NY Dolls belong in the Hall. That should be a no-brainer. There influence is still felt to this day.If it weren't for them there would have been no Clash- Sex Pistols - Motley Crue or Kiss. The had a major influence on 2 major genres of music, Punk and Glam.

Posted by Damian on Wednesday, 10.3.07 @ 14:35pm


If the Sex Pistols belongs, then the NY Dolls damn well deserve to be there as well.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 11.6.07 @ 20:06pm


I dont think them "Hall of fame people" Even know Just how influential The Dolls Really are, alot of ppl probely dont, In my opinion I think thier one of the most Influential bands of all time, everything after till the horrible horrible 90's came around had aleast something from them, From 70's glam rock, To The Punk scene, To 80's Glam Metal, look at other groups all ready in the hall of fame who all own so much to the New york Dolls, ( The Sex pistols, Ramones, Aerosmith, the hopefully soon to be in Motley Crue lol ) and most likey others i dont even know about

Posted by Rockstar Dreams on Sunday, 01.13.08 @ 02:23am


A minor influence if anything

Are you kidding me? If you don't mind, I am going to take the word of some extremely influential bands over yours. The following are just some of the bands that have sited the Dolls as a major influence: The Clash, Sex Pistols, Gen X, Morrissey, Bob Geldof, Pretenders, Big Audio Dynamite, Hanoi Rocks, and Iggy Pop.

They were so refreshing and colorful and outrageous and ballsy. Put the pink lights on in the HoF and get them in.

Posted by Frankie on Friday, 01.18.08 @ 06:52am


What is all this rock n roll hall of fame fuss anyway? their wasnt even a rock n roll hall of fame when these bands started playing! even the sex pistols admit how rediculous the hall of fame is, and quite honestly, i think you all should too. How cares who made it in the rock n roll hall of fame, it means nothing at all. the greatest bands and people that were ahead of their time and influenced many people never got the credit thay desirved because thay were always ahead of others and the current industry that noone wanted to listin to them.

Posted by taylor on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 20:30pm


So why are you on this site? The talk isn't always about the Hall of Fame, but its always about Rock & Roll. Its usually an exchange of ideas, music, or opinions. Since you've already drawn your own conclusions...don't know what to tell ya!!!

Posted by Terry on Monday, 02.25.08 @ 20:55pm


Just tryin to make a point! I'm probebly doing the world more good telling everyone how rediculous the rock n roll hall of fame is than joining everybody in this senceless debate!and yes,ive drawn my conclution quite well,thank you! I'm a very conclusive individual. And if you,however,learned from this conclution we can bring this discussion to an end, and move on.Or is there something you would like too add?

Posted by taylor on Friday, 02.29.08 @ 19:51pm


As someone whose been involved in rock as both a player and fan for a very long time, its interesting to see what the so-called experts see (or DON"T see) when they're making their decisions on who's in & who's not. There's actually been very interesting conversation on this site, and I've been able to pick up on new (for me, anyway) music and learned some things I didn't know.

I don't draw conclusions when it comes to music because that would mean I've stopped learning...and what fun would that be? I do welcome your opinion, though.

Posted by Terry on Friday, 02.29.08 @ 20:18pm


does anyone know if any of the members in the new york dolls are Gay? Because it really seems like The lead singer is!

Posted by CountryBoy 221 on Saturday, 03.1.08 @ 15:01pm


does anyone know if any of the members in the new york dolls are Gay? Because it really seems like The lead singer is!

Posted by CountryBoy 221 on Saturday, 03.1.08 @ 15:01pm

WHY?

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 03.5.08 @ 09:05am


Im totally Gay!so ya!i would know that the new york dolls are gay because i have gaydar! So yes they are gay and most likely bisexual!So theres you awnser lover Boy! wink wink!!!

Posted by gaywad on Wednesday, 03.5.08 @ 16:35pm


Thanks! that was just the awnser i was lookin for!It really seemed to hit the nail right on the head!!Long live country music and the New york dolls!

Posted by countryboy221 on Wednesday, 03.5.08 @ 16:42pm


Actually, from what I remember about the group that wasn't exactly their theme...I think they dressed that way to get a rise out of people...shock value...

Posted by Terry on Wednesday, 03.5.08 @ 17:05pm


But why would they drees like girls thats nasty!! Do girls like guys that look feminine or somethin? i'm askin this as a serious question so please awnser it! because why else would the new york dolls dress up like girls if there not gay?

Posted by Taylor on Thursday, 03.6.08 @ 17:05pm


you city folk are confusin the livin day lights outta me!Are the dolls gay or straight!

Posted by Countryboy221 on Thursday, 03.6.08 @ 17:16pm


Countryboys really got me thinkin!!someones got to tell me if the new york dolls are Gay. because this is going to either make of break my musical opinion towards them because if im listinin togay music, this means im gay. so please tell because i swear i like girls.

Posted by Taylor on Thursday, 03.6.08 @ 17:30pm


Are the dolls gay or straight! - Countryboy

because this is going to either make of break my musical opinion towards them because if im listinin togay music, this means im gay. so please tell because i swear i like girls. - Taylor

I really hope you boys are kidding? WTF does it matter? There are probably better sites to ask these questions, but not this one.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 03.6.08 @ 18:26pm


jeezoo! Just askin a simple question and you about grew a digital hand and hit me in the face right on down there in my computer!guess they dont like people askin questions about people's way of livin down here in the good old city do they!I just wish i could get some awnsers for cryin outload! im gonna go prune ma trees! Long live the new york dolls and country music

Posted by countryboy221 on Thursday, 03.6.08 @ 20:19pm


im just kidding! where is your sence of humor!you gotta lightin up a little bit to get along in this world!but dont you think its kinda strange that these guys dressed up as girls. there a great band dont get me wrong but its just really weird they dressed up like girls and kinda creepy as well.i really love rockabilly and punk but i just cant stand the new york dolls dresing up as girls!its the most discusting thing ive ever seen!

Posted by Taylor on Thursday, 03.6.08 @ 20:29pm


its going to be intresting where music takes off from here since its been so terrible lately. everyone is surching for a good band to listin too and i bet if their is a good band that comes out they will explode in popularity so dont ever get discouraged when your playin music because you could be the next big thing.

Posted by zZZZZZZZ on Thursday, 03.6.08 @ 20:37pm


I think they express some homosexuality in the song lyrics jet boy if you listin closley

Posted by t.u.k on Friday, 03.21.08 @ 18:13pm


No...the Dolls were not gay.

The Dolls saw themselves as musicians and were poking fun at the glitter scene and it's one dimensional fashion agenda. Noted photographer Bob Gruen explains who made a film about the Dolls even explains in his liner notes that the Dolls "were not transvestites or gay, they were just guys playing dress up."

Sylvain lives in Atlanta with his son. Johansen married photographer Kate Simon.

Arthur, had a girlfriend who tried to cut off his thumb. She ended up dating Dee Dee Ramone and she stabbed him too. Johnny Thunders was a good baseball player before he found music and actually tried out for the Phillies.

It was a schtick....much like Alice Cooper and Marilyn Manson. IT got them attention and sold records.

Posted by Anthony D on Wednesday, 04.16.08 @ 00:41am


gery glitter was a petifile. these glam rock people really creep me out. I absolutly love their music,and it's hard to believe that punks were so heviley influenced by their music.Punks just don't fit that whole gay,petifile type image like these glam rockers do.

Posted by sunshine on Tuesday, 05.13.08 @ 17:20pm


Are you serious the newyork dolls should have been in since 1999 they help start punk without them the sex pistols, ramones, the clash, and all the hair metal bands including Van Halen would not be around next year along with iggy pop and richard hell the new york dolls should be inducted if the beach boys and madonna can get in anyone can in fact the "rock and roll" hall of fame should be renamed the music hall of fame

Posted by rob on Friday, 06.20.08 @ 21:08pm


For once, get it right Hall of Fame. Dolls and Stooges in during the same year.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 09.4.08 @ 06:03am


"For once, get it right Hall of Fame. Dolls and Stooges in during the same year".
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 09.4.08 @ 06:03am

Agreed,the influence of The Dolls on early punk rock alone is enough.
Then in the hair metal 80's as deceased N.Y.Doll drummer Jerry Nolan observed "I see a Johnny Thunders lookalike in EVERY band".
He was accurate and correct,everyone from Nikki Sixx and on mimicked Thunders huge long teased jet black mane of hair.

Posted by My 2 cents worth on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 09:54am


I was just listening to Faster Pussycat. Anyone who says that the NY Dolls had minimal influence in RnR is missing the complete picture. Put the Dolls in already.

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Tuesday, 12.16.08 @ 14:23pm


Yes, they were a very important link between The Velvet Underground and the CBGBs scene and on and on.

Hell, I'd like to see them get in just so superfan Morrissey could give some incendiary speech during the induction ceremony. T'would be good stuff.

Posted by Elastic Man on Saturday, 01.17.09 @ 03:37am


The Dolls were a very important band...musically so-so, lyrically so-so, and sometimes a bit of a fashion show, but somehow when rolled all together it melded into everything that rock and roll is supposed to be.

Posted by John on Tuesday, 01.27.09 @ 19:56pm



welcome to the asylum where the crazies run it

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 08.18.09 @ 23:20pm


No doubt at all that the New York Dolls influenced just about all glam bands, punk bands, 80s hair bands, and others. Johnny Thunders' style has been copied over and over. It's obvious that his look was copied 10 after he started (Steve Stevens, Nikki Sixx, Tracie Guns, on and on). His guitar style and attitude were copied too (Sid Vicious, DeeDee Ramone, etc) The New York Dolls as a whole were a HUGH influence in Rock. They even influenced David Bowie. They did it before anyone else. David Johanson was a great frontman and still is. I saw them this past summer and they were awesome!

Posted by Liz on Wednesday, 11.18.09 @ 17:26pm


Just to make sure no one forgets. It is not a RnR Hall of Fame without the Dolls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9aBySJkRQ&feature=related

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 11.25.09 @ 18:35pm


Careful, Dameon, all that campaigning for the NY Dolls is bound to give you a Personality Crisis.

Sorry, it's joker's day off.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 11.25.09 @ 18:57pm


He's right though, they're a great group

Posted by The Drummer on Wednesday, 11.25.09 @ 19:37pm


I haven't listened to them much, but I understand Dameon's frustration. Motley Crue and Twisted Sister modeled their looks after the Dolls, and it's thanks to them that the hair band scene exists. You can definitely draw a visual (and possibly musical) connection between Thunders and the existence of Steve Stevens and Mick Mars as we know them. One of the guys looked just like Duff McKagan, and Malcolm McLaren managed them before he managed Sex Pistols, so you could find an influence there. Hell, even Morrisey has been influenced by them. Hell yeah they should be inducted.

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Posted by Flappealt on Friday, 09.3.10 @ 11:15am


"Motley Crue and Twisted Sister modeled their looks after the Dolls, and it's thanks to them that the hair band scene exists."

They are no-brainers for sure, but the above quote is better suited for an argument against them. Their primary influence/innovation is being the link between the Velvets and punk, that is to say, a large stepping stone in the evolution of not only punk but rock in general. They should be remembered for their influence on the Ramones and Richard Hell, rather than Kiss and Motley Crue.

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 12.15.10 @ 21:25pm


Hmmm, a Hebrew post, that's a first. Yes they belong in and are long overdue.

Posted by Chalkie on Monday, 12.27.10 @ 13:37pm


"They are no-brainers for sure, but the above quote is better suited for an argument against them. "

Influence is influence, even if one doesn't like Twister Sister and Motley Crue.

"Their primary influence/innovation is being the link between the Velvets and punk."

Probably the single biggest reason they should be in, summarized in a sentence.

"They should be remembered for their influence on the Ramones and Richard Hell, rather than Kiss and Motley Crue."

Maybe, but that's not to say they still didn't influence the bands your dismissing as stains on music (Like I've said, influence is influence).

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 03.24.11 @ 16:39pm


What nonsense on this thread. The New York Dolls weren't just an "influence" or "stepping stone." They were pretty much the best live rock n roll band of that era. Four nights in a Denver club in 1974 changed my life, and I'd been seeing bands since the Stones 1965 tour. And, yes, they really could play their instruments very well. Also hung out with them, and nooooo, they were not gay. They were consummate girl chasers. And this blathering on about why would they dress "gay". The Dolls came out of the Max's Kansas City scene of the late 60s/early 70s. This was the restaurant/bar that the Andy Warhol crowd ruled over, including some of Warhol's brilliant drag queens, such as Candy Darling, Holly Woodlawn, and Jackie Curtis. The Dolls loved them and started emulating their bizarre 40s/50s retro style. It wasn't a "schtick". It was fun. Remember? Rock n Roll??

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Posted by Arradodaw on Friday, 07.1.11 @ 10:37am


i saw the new york dolls show in australia a month ago (2011)
with silvain and johansen
awesome live act

Posted by booger on Friday, 11.4.11 @ 11:38am


Chalkie is correct, so let's not limit the influence the Dolls had on the 80's glam scene alone. As I mentioned in a previoyus comment, half the pioneering punk bands of the 70's cite the Dols as a major influence. They bridged the gap between the V.U., Stooges and what was to happen in Punk. For the most part, they brought the NYC underground scene to the masses.

FYI - The song Trash alone should get them in.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 12.4.11 @ 11:40am


This one is interesting. As an influence they cannot be overstated. They vitually built the NYC underground rock scene in 1972. And their impact spread across the Atlantic to the UK, where they had a very direct tie to the Sex Pistols.

The issue for me beyond the lack of commercial success is that I don't find their music too impressive beyond a couple of songs (Jet Boy, about a young boy who used to introduce them at shows in NYC and who blew himself up when he tried to warm himself with a gas stove when his junky parents left him home alone is my favorite-crazy story). As a comparison the Stooges had as great an impact but also had three great albums, especially Fun House and Raw Power. The Dolls were an exciting live act, but a lot of the excitement was less in the music and more in the attitude and style they conveyed. It was a geniune revelation in that era to see a band with that "who cares" attitude, that took the stage regardless of their raw sound, and that's what transferred to the punk era that followed. But it becomes very muddled if you conclude that their main influence was more style and attitude and less music.

Actually I'm not sure how I see this. Their historical importance is real, but other factors weigh against them. But if the Sex Pistols got in on the basis of influence, which was tangible, then the Dolls probably should follow.



Posted by astrodog on Monday, 12.19.11 @ 00:05am


Astro - RnR has always been more than just the music. But as stated by many here, including myself several times - The NY Dolls are so important to much of what came out after 1973.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 12.22.11 @ 08:50am


Why should the New York Dolls be inducted?

1. They started a movement (punk, and hair metal),and influenced so many musicians.

2. They remain to be one of the most original sounding rock n' roll bands. Nobody approached Rock N' Roll that way before, they were totally style based, and humor based in their lyrics.

3. They brought back the "3 min song" in the 70's a time of stadium rock, and "20 minute guitar solos". They brought life and youth back into Rock N'Roll.

4. Most importantly they are "Rock N' Roll" they embody it.


It's a shame people can't seem to appreciate the Dolls, they just don't seem to get why they are great. People try to say they copied the stones, when if you look at their music it doesn't sound like the stones, the only thing similar between the 2 bands is the frontmen, and the "rock n roll" attitude they both have.


Posted by UraniumRock on Friday, 05.18.12 @ 21:15pm


The dolls are not gay. PERIOD.

Posted by shel on Sunday, 11.25.12 @ 00:53am


RIP, Marty Thau, manager of The New York Dolls and Suicide.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Monday, 02.17.14 @ 18:05pm


Induct them already, damn it!

Posted by BulmaPunkRocker on Sunday, 07.6.14 @ 23:37pm


From Dee Dee Ramone's lips to my ears at CBs in 1978 "Without the New York Dolls there would be no Ramones" and countless other bands. They are as influential as the Velvets and yes as the post above states "Rock n Roll, they embody it".
Still a vibrant live band, saw them lay waste to Motley Crue and Poison opening for them a couple of years ago. Great songs- Frankenstein, Babylon, Human Being, Vietnamese Baby, Subway Train many others. Great solo records too Johansen, Sylvain and Thunders. C'mon let's put our arms around a memory...

Posted by weste on Monday, 02.9.15 @ 21:11pm


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