Journey

Rock & Roll Hall of Famer

Category: Performer

Inducted in: 2017

Inducted by: Pat Monahan

Nominated in: 2017

First Eligible: 2001 Ceremony

Inducted Members: Jonathan Cain, Aynsley Dunbar, Steve Perry, Gregg Rolie, Neal Schon, Steve Smith, Ross Valory


Inducted into Rock Hall Projected in 2019 (ranked #240) .


Essential Albums (?)WikipediaAmazon MP3Amazon CD
Escape (1981)
Frontiers (1983)

Essential Songs (?)WikipediaAmazon MP3YouTube
Wheel in the Sky (1978)
Lights (1978)
Any Way You Want It (1980)
Don't Stop Believin' (1981)
Open Arms (1981)
Stone In Love (1981)
Separate Ways (Worlds Apart) (1983)
Faithfully (1983)

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Journey is one of the most successful bands of the 1980's. Steve Perry is one of the greatest singers of all-time. Neal Schon has kept the band alive year after year. They have so many classic hits such as "Don't Stop Believin," "Separate Ways," "Wheels In The Sky," "Lights," "Open Arms," and "Faithfully." It would be great to see this band inducteed, and to see Steve Perry, Greg Rolie, and Steve Smith attend the ceremony and perform on stage once again.

Posted by Kyle Van Pelt on Tuesday, 09.19.06 @ 12:25pm


You left out the part where they suck.

Posted by Kit on Tuesday, 09.19.06 @ 14:32pm


How in Gods Name did Van Halen get nominated BEFORE JOURNEY.. Come on....!!!!

Sammy Hagar should be inducted for the Montrose not Van Halen. But whatever.

Posted by Sherri on Tuesday, 01.9.07 @ 07:54am


To Kit -- saying "Journey sucks" is an uneducated and senseless statement, even if you don't like them. You can't deny their talent, influence and musicianship. Their music has stood the test of time. They are not in the Hall because they are lumped together with Toto, REO, Styx, Boston, etc. in an era where they were called 'Corporate.' Today, we have gangsta rap, industrial metal and mumbling 3-chord garbage 'rock' that just doesn't stand up to real musicianship and fantastic songwriting (ie., the bands I mentioned). There are only a few good artists today; most are talentless, image-conscious "photo ops" that record execs see as current cash cows. Vote Journey into the Hall!

Posted by Tim on Wednesday, 01.10.07 @ 11:27am


True, true. Everything is corporate, really, even rap and the marketing that goes along with it all. Those bands just got hit with that tag because hippie critics hated radio-friendly music and felt it wasn't hip enough. JOURNEY rocks and I think they'll get in the Hall within the next 5 years. It's just going to be awhile, but VH and the Police are opening the door for real bands to make it in now.

Posted by D on Wednesday, 01.10.07 @ 13:41pm


Actually, saying Journey sucks is a statement with positive truth value, undebatable and uncontestable, because they suck. Their songs are the most saccharine pathetic terrible things I've ever had the misfortune of being unable to avoid, and you should be very ashamed of yourself for listening to them and not dry-heaving violently.

Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 01.10.07 @ 14:33pm


Tim and D seem to be underestimating modern rock because they are umbilically linked to their radios. They also seem to be overestimating Journey for the same reason.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 01.10.07 @ 23:54pm


Hey Kit tell us how you really feel :-)

Posted by Joey D on Saturday, 02.10.07 @ 18:04pm


Part of the criterion is influence, and we can all wonder where Jon Bon Jovi would be without Journey. A definite shoo-in!

Posted by Joe on Monday, 03.12.07 @ 16:48pm


Journey does not "suck" as Kit says. They sold millions and millions of records, had sold out concert tours, etc. They may "suck" to Kit, but not to the millions and millions of fans. My only question to Kit is are you a masochist? If you really think they suck so bad, why do you even listen? Did you buy there albums? That I doubt. And, if you heard their songs on the radio, "turn the station" is what I think they say. But, I guess you needed a band to direct your unresolved anger towards. BTW, just because YOU personally think they suck does not mean much, except to you of course.

LATER

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 03.21.07 @ 03:12am


I forgot that no one is ever allowed to have a negative opinion on anything ever. Thanks for straightening me out.

Idiot.

Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 03.21.07 @ 12:45pm


As I have read on other posts from YOU - "There is nothing to even say here." You simply say they "suck" with no elaboration. That is not too constructive now is it? Take your own advice.........

get out!

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 03.21.07 @ 14:13pm


BTW, have not seen you on these posts lately - did you just get out of rehab? LOL, LOL, LOL

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 03.21.07 @ 14:20pm


Kit is an idiot...he posted "They suck" on KISS and several other Huge bands comments...he's just miserable and looking for an argument.

Posted by Mark on Thursday, 03.22.07 @ 13:47pm


You all are so afraid of opinions that aren't spoonfed to you. It's really ridiculous.

Posted by Kit on Thursday, 03.22.07 @ 14:05pm


Idon't know about Journey as they have been pretty much a tour, cover band for the past decade but Steve Perry should be in the hall of fame.

Posted by Steve Perry Fan on Thursday, 03.22.07 @ 17:20pm


"You all are so afraid of opinions that aren't spoonfed to you. It's really ridiculous."

No, people are perturbed by your arrogant, "know it all" attitude...look in the mirror dude

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 03.23.07 @ 10:52am


kit, you can hate them all you want. i see you hate a great deal of other bands. music is subjective! love them or hate them, it's your prerogative. that being said, it's about impact on the history of music. journey, (as well as other band's you've put down), have made an impact. to hate it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Posted by thomas johnson on Monday, 04.9.07 @ 02:37am


Music has both subjective and objective qualities, such as originality and stylistic diversity. The impact of Journey's overly slick excercises in reciting cliches is minimal.

Posted by Kit on Monday, 04.9.07 @ 19:24pm


I make no comment on journey at this time other than to say that they were a noteworthy band....I just gotta tell you guys that those postings gave me the biggest laugh!

Posted by Navy_gal on Saturday, 04.14.07 @ 16:33pm


Journey sucks???? What kind of music do you listen to Kit? You must have a black heart because Journey songs have more meaning to them then any other group out there!

Posted by Paula on Thursday, 04.26.07 @ 17:59pm


I love unqualified statements like "more meaning than any other group." It doesn't even begin to resemble an argument.

Posted by William on Friday, 04.27.07 @ 00:24am


Then let me explain....she enjoyed the meanining and passion behind the music. A lot of Journey was about love and broken relationships, etc. which a lot of women found meaningful and moving. Certainly, they did not feel the music "sucked." Talk about a lack of substance in an "argument." I am a male, but you see I have a brain and can figure these things out...

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 04.30.07 @ 04:59am


Can you explain how they had "more meaning" than other bands writing about the same things?

Posted by William on Monday, 04.30.07 @ 09:40am


I agree that Journey's innovations and contributions to rock are dubious at best (such as perfecting the 80's power ballad, etc.) At the same time, Kit and William, you should appreciate some of the good qualities they did bring to the table. For instance Neal Schon and Greg Rollie (while he was with Journey), both veterans of Santana's most lauded line-up, are formidable musicians who admirably displayed their chops in Journey's music. Schon is a fantastic guitar player who can play in a variety of styles, and Rollie is an equally talented keyboard player and was a fantastic singer for the band before Steve Perry came on board.

And say what you will about their music, Journey was an excellent purveyor of pop/rock in the late 70's through the early 80's. Many of the songs from 'Infinity' through 'Frontiers' are solid rock and/or pop tunes. I direct you to such tunes as "Wheel in the Sky", "Lights", "Anytime", "Feeling That Way", "Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'", "Don't Stop Believin'", "Escape", "Frontiers", "Separate Ways", "Send Her My Love", "Faithfully", "Only the Young", "Only Solutions"...honestly that is not a bad list of rock tunes there.

I'm not saying they didn't have their share of crap, because they did. And I am not even sure they should be in the Rock Hall of Fame. But to say they were a terrible band wholesale is not giving them their due. Give them a closer listen.

Posted by Dezmond on Monday, 04.30.07 @ 09:54am


Dezmond said it perfectly. But, I will get to that in a minute.

"Can you explain how they had "more meaning" than other bands writing about the same things?"

Absoultely not, you cannot quantify which bands had "more meaning" and to do so takes away the subjective experience of the music. It is personal, right? But, for a lot of women, and some men I guess, the lyrics and music were passionate and struck a chord with a lot of folks (i.e. see record sales, concert ticket sales). Sometimes, although not always, bands are popular for a reason.

I agree that mb that they were not the most innovative and probably were only influential minimally, but that I cannot be too sure about. As for the RRHOF, they are probably a bit too "corporate" and top 40ish to make it in - I will give you that. But, I will take Journey any day over bands like Posion, Winger, Motley Crue, etc.

Also, Kit saying, "they suck" is lame and wrong. As Dezmond said, I always enjoyed the guitar work of Schon. In fact, the guitar was one of my favorite aspects of the music. And, the music was passionate too, as noted above.

All in all, Journey was a quality, very listenable band with a fairyl large catalog of music that I think people will listen to for generations. As for the RRHOF, probably not though, that I would give you.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 04.30.07 @ 10:43am


you people can love your damn journey all you want. i think journey sucks a fat one too and every time my dumb friends play it i'd like to kick their fucking television screen in for ever having the bad taste to watch "the tube" music network which also plays post-beatles ringo starr, bo diddley when he's 80, and a solo pete townshend. jesus fuck.

Posted by the other kit on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 08:50am


Journey won't get in because, fairly or unfairly, they're considered "corporate rock" (whatever that means). Like many arena rock bands of the early '80s, their music was fun at the time, but now it sounds pretty dated for the most part. That said, I still enjoy some of their tunes. "Wheel in the Sky" kind of rocks and "Faithfully" is a quality power ballad. I'M FOR-EVAH YOH-OURS!!!!

Posted by akilla on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 09:24am


I have to admit KIt, I was reading that "review" of Journey and it was pretty funny....it made me LOL. Although, I gotta say, there not that bad....

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 17:51pm


There - thats my opinion

Posted by Kit Sucks on Friday, 06.29.07 @ 12:59pm


They've had 5 or 6 big hits and some successful albums, they've sold some 75 million albums, and one or two of the hits are hugely reconizable. Small in the 70's but big in the 80's so I'd think Journey would be in the hall soon.

Posted by MaulYoda on Monday, 09.10.07 @ 17:53pm


"..Small in the 70's but big in the 80's so I'd think Journey would be in the hall soon." -MYoda

And you'd be really wrong. Your thinking also describes Ann Wilson of Heart, and they're not close to induction either.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 09.10.07 @ 17:57pm


Journey will not be inducted. But I am a fan. Some of it is based on when I came of age, but I think they did release a string a great 70's and 80's rockers and power ballads. Underrated band (critically). Not really innovative, but they were solid pop/rock craftsmen. And there is definitely a place for that. But that place is probably not the RRHOF.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 09.11.07 @ 09:24am


My husband and I love Journey. That is "Journey with Steve Perry." Our son and daughter ages 12 & 14 enjoy both Journey's and Steve Perry's solo albums. I would say they must have something special when a family with such diverse tastes in music can all enjoy listening to at least one group. Journey is still playing on the radio and is not going away, so I think that shows they deserve to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Just who do you contact to voice your opinion?

Posted by Ruth on Sunday, 09.23.07 @ 23:20pm


Kit - saying you don't like Journey is fine. I know they have a number of sappy ballads (which I also like), but Schon is one of the best guitarists around (ask ANY guitar player - not to mention touring with Santana at 15). Steve Smith is an incredible and respected drummer. Steve Perry an amazing voice. If you don't like their pop-rock hits - give a listen to their deeper catalog that shows their depth and range of talent.

Posted by Tim on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 04:51am


I was amazed to see that Journey WASN'T already in! I can only think that the "hall" is keeping alot of worthy bands out because eventually they'll need them to put in when the current crop of NO TALENTS become eligible. For those of you who think they "suck" I got 2 words: STEVE PERRY.

Posted by Randy on Friday, 10.5.07 @ 12:12pm


That someone has actually bothered to go to the trouble of leaving a comment saying a band like Journey "suck" is quite amusing.
I enjoy their music today as much as I enjoyed it when it was released, sure, Mr Perry is missed, but I for one am grateful that the band has lived on and continued to produce truly outstanding music that put's many if not all newcomers in the shade..........and will continue to do so for as long as the band chooses to continue..........Suck on guys!

Posted by Nick Smith on Thursday, 10.18.07 @ 15:28pm


"and we can all wonder where Jon Bon Jovi"

well, we'll never be COMPLETELY sure, but my hope is that it would involve a speeding car and no brakes

""corporate rock" (whatever that means)"

its term critics like to use. just think of the 'qualities' that FOB, Bon Jovi, Linkin Park and Nickelback all share

Posted by liam on Thursday, 10.18.07 @ 15:38pm


"That someone has actually bothered to go to the trouble of leaving a comment saying a band like Journey "suck""

ermm...I don't think that Kit has said that any of Journey's contemporaries sucked.

Posted by liam on Thursday, 10.18.07 @ 15:49pm


YO KIT! Journey DOES NOT suck!! I love them, and I am a HUGE rap, hip-hop and R&B fan from now. THEY DO NOT SUCK!

Posted by Devyn on Tuesday, 11.27.07 @ 08:11am


Oh, BTW, If you think they "suck", Keep that to yourself. You dont need to put that on a board admiring them..No one needs to see that.

Devyn

Posted by Devyn on Tuesday, 11.27.07 @ 08:13am


"I am a HUGE rap, hip-hop and R&B fan from now."

Whether or not you are obese has nothing to do with the argument

Posted by micheal on Tuesday, 11.27.07 @ 10:10am


The hall of fame continues to reject some of music's greatest acchievers. For example Abba who were the biggest selling artists of the 1970s. How are they not in. Journey who had wide success on the 1980s are not in. wHY? And even Heart who had the first female rockers are not in. Why? SOmeone needs to get a new committee to nominate the true bands who belong in the hall of fame!!!

Posted by matthew on Tuesday, 11.27.07 @ 19:25pm


A lot of people here have described Journey as "corporate rock". It cannot be denied; if corporate rock can be defined, they were definitely that. But face it, corporate rock WAS the mainstream rock in the late 1970s and 1980s. As such, corporate rock is part of rock and roll history.

To name a few, Foreigner, Heart, Kansas, REO Speedwagon and Styx--and Journey--were all part of that genre. Of those, Journey was definitelythe most memorable, and the most influential, of the bunch. (As I said before, where would Bon Jovi be without Journey?) Journey undoubtedly deserves HOF induction.

Posted by Joe on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 07:42am


Some people may not know the name of this band but they definetly know at least one song by them. Any Way You Want It, Don't Stop Believin', Lights, some of the most famous songs of all time and there are many more awesome Journey songs to boot. I don't see why not

Posted by MaulYoda on Saturday, 01.5.08 @ 17:18pm


"(As I said before, where would Bon Jovi be without Journey?)"

Indeed. And where would head cheese be without bologna?

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 01.8.08 @ 00:13am


"Indeed. And where would head cheese be without bologna?"

Hilarious~!!

Anyone who listens to Journey -- or Foreigner, or Heart, Kansas, REO Speedwagon or Styx, for that matter -- does so for one reason: They were told to listen by mass media conglomerates, i.e. big record execs and brain-numbing radio stations... It's sugar-coated swill for the lemmings, talentless, mindless drivel with achingly bad guitar solos and embarassingly timid lyrics.

The old fogeys who got off on Journey are at the same mental level as the kids who listen to Britney Spears today. Pathetic. And the sad thing is, they don't even realize they're buying right into the program.

Posted by captain pete on Friday, 01.25.08 @ 14:26pm


The old fogeys who got off on Journey are at the same mental level as the kids who listen to Britney Spears today. Pathetic. And the sad thing is, they don't even realize they're buying right into the program.

What program might that be? I am so interested in knowing.

Who should the old fogeys being listening to now Capt? Please enlighten all.

Posted by Eric on Friday, 01.25.08 @ 18:36pm


The brain-washing program, I presume.

Posted by denyo on Friday, 01.25.08 @ 23:32pm


sorry joe i think heart is just a little bit more influential. Heart is more in the media today than journey is. But still journey is a great band

Posted by harry on Thursday, 01.31.08 @ 17:44pm


Yes they are a great band. Or they were, anyway. These days, without Steve Perry, there doesn't seem to be much point.

Posted by Metalsmith on Sunday, 02.10.08 @ 19:41pm


Be it good, bad, or indifferent, I'd have to say Journey was the poster band for arena rock. Giving credit where its due, Steve Perry is one of the great voices in rock history. Sticking someone else out there just doesn't seem right, since Perry was pretty much the face of Journey, too.

Posted by Terry on Sunday, 02.10.08 @ 20:05pm


Steve Perry was one of the leading vocalists of the 1980's
How in the world Van Halen was inducted or for that matter, MADONNA? come on....
before a very talented vocal who is known for his voice. please......
Journey best be inducted, Steve better be there, and forget this fake Perry dude who is with Journey, now, like Van Halen a REAL REUNION please not some half baked left out sub with your son crap.

Posted by Sherri on Friday, 03.7.08 @ 15:15pm


"Steve Perry was one of the leading vocalists of the 1980's"

No. He wasn't.

"How in the world Van Halen was inducted or for that matter, MADONNA?"

Van Halen got in because they were highly influential and sold alot of records. Madonna got in for the same reason.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 03.7.08 @ 15:32pm


One thing I could say about Steve Perry...you knew it was Journey when he opened his mouth!! They were a good band, but not particularly innovative or influental...just a good band, no more or less.

Posted by Terry on Friday, 03.7.08 @ 18:06pm


Gotta learn to proofread!!!

Posted by Terry on Friday, 03.7.08 @ 18:07pm


They should be put in as a reminder as to how much talent can be wasted at once.

Total shit.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 03.9.08 @ 06:46am


Hey capt. pete, I think you're a smug dipshit who doesn't know a damn thing about music. I listen to these bands because I like them and think they're WAAAAY better than the crap that's popular today. I wasn't even alive for the time when these supposed lemmings were programmed to listen to them. To lump them in the sme category as britney is completely ignorant. they actually wrote their own music and played instruments, unlike her. You think their lyrics are timid? That's understandable. But I'd take wimpy timid lyrics over preachy religious or political BS that I'm sure morons like you eat up. Achingly bad guitar solos? Boy, I'd love to see your bitch ass go toe-to-toe with Neal Schon in a shred-off. Might make for the funniest five seconds of my life.

Long story short, you have no clue what you're talking about.

Posted by Eddie on Thursday, 03.13.08 @ 01:43am


Now that I properly adressed that asshole. Let's get to Journey.

I realize that they are increibly polarizing and fall into the love 'em or hate 'em category. Here's some of the reaons I think they should get in that don't necessaily involve liking them.

A) Talent. No sane person is going to deny that Steve Perry had a golden voice. Jonathon Cain was as good of a keyboardist as any at the time (which is saying a lot). As for Neal Schon, well, he can play the axe better that most of the guitarists in Hall)
B) Top dogs in the arena rock movement (though I'm sure all the residents of Foreigner Nation will flame me for saying that). The RRHOF seems to have a pretty negative reaction to arena bands but they should include its biggest act
C) Expansive Catalog. Journey is one of thse bands who have a big and diverse enough song library (I think the ridiculous number of hits they spawned should be mentioned here as well) that there is bound to be something for the casual listener to enjoy. Not too many bands can say that.
D) Enduring legacy. This is one area where many of Journey's contemporaries fall short but they are still widely known among many who are too young to have seen them in their prime (even if it is for a really gay reason like hearing "Don't Stop Believin" on some shitty TV show)

Finally (and this is just me speaking frankly), have you looked at the comments by the haters on this board? It's blatantly obvious that these filthy mongrels have neither intellect nor taste in their corner.

Posted by Eddie on Thursday, 03.13.08 @ 02:06am


Eddie...I think if you dislike a band it doesn't mean you have bad taste, nor does it make you a dipsh*t, a**hole, or a "filthy mongrel"...GEEZ!!! As for me, I could take them or leave them...thought they were basically just another rock band. I was in my mid 20's during their heyday, and it seemed people would either love them or hate them. They had some hits, sold a lot of records, etc..., but their influence was a little lacking, and their music was pretty straight-forward...nothing really innovative.

...And what the hell is "arena rock"?? Another useless sub-genre?? In the late 70's EVERYBODY who sold a lot of records played in arenas and stadiums, and I do mean EVERYBODY!! Usually, three of four bands got together and sold out stadiums...and I don't need a history lesson on Journey, I'm well aware of what they accomplished!

If they're your favorite...great!! If people don't like them it doesn't make them musically illiterate, it means they have different tastes. As far as the HoF, don't hold your breath. As far as the name calling, keep it to a mild roar...it's boorish!!

Posted by Terry on Thursday, 03.13.08 @ 18:51pm


"Eddie...I think if you dislike a band it doesn't mean you have bad taste, nor does it make you a dipsh*t, a**hole, or a "filthy mongrel"...GEEZ!!!"

Terry, you seem to forget that kit, shawn, william, capt. pete, liam, etc. ARE all of those things by virute of not what they say abot Jounrey but what they say on all of these boards. The sad things is they're probably even bigger assholes in person. Bunch of smug, braindead pricks, every one of them.

"And what the hell is "arena rock"?? Another useless sub-genre?? In the late 70's EVERYBODY who sold a lot of records played in arenas and stadiums, and I do mean EVERYBODY!! Usually, three of four bands got together and sold out stadiums..."

You (should) know fully well what it is and what the term implies so stop trying to disect it into its literal pieces. If for some reason you don't know what that term means there is thing called wikipedia (and yeah, in that case so much for your vast musical knowledge).

Posted by Eddie on Thursday, 03.13.08 @ 19:29pm


I don't recall anyone calling anything "arena rock" back then. Like I said before, the higher grossing acts played the bigger venues...they didn't always sound very good in them. I saw Fleetwood Mac at Folsom Field in Boulder in '77...could barely see them and the acoustics were terrible. I saw the same line-up at Red Rocks A few years later doing basically the same songs...sounded totally different. Not a lot of places compare to Red Rocks as far as acoustics go, and that's what is important to me...the quality of the music, not the "bells & whistles". I went to see and hear the band, not the light show or pyrotechnics.

As far as my "vast musical knowledge" goes, you don't know anything about me so don't have any business questioning it. In 40+ years I have LIVED it, as both a player and fan. Feel free to test my knowledge anytime, I always try to give informed responses. I usually have good feedback from those guys, and have picked up on some good music I hadn't heard in the process.

Another thing, I didn't "insult" you, and if you wish to lower yourself to name calling or insulting musical knowledge, do it with someone else!!!

Posted by Terry on Thursday, 03.13.08 @ 20:15pm


"Terry, you seem to forget that kit, shawn, william, capt. pete, liam, etc. ARE all of those things by virute of not what they say abot Jounrey but what they say on all of these boards. The sad things is they're probably even bigger assholes in person. Bunch of smug, braindead pricks, every one of them."-Eddie

The first response to any conflict is to dehumanize your opponent. He cannot be a normal, functioning member of society with strong opinions, but must be a misanthropic recluse with anger issues and maybe an inferiority complex to boot.

Yawn. Heard it all before. Unfortunately Internet Psychology is not a professionally recognized field of study.

Posted by William on Thursday, 03.13.08 @ 21:43pm


There is no way Journey should be locked out of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame! If you grew up in the 80s, you either liked or loved Journey. If you say that you didn't, you're lying! They had a unique sound and Steve Perry has one of the greatest voices EVER! Neal Schon, Jonathan Cain, Steve Smith, Greg Rolie, Ansley Dunbar, Ross Valory... all outstanding musicians!

If they aren't in there then the Hall needs to shut down! There is NO WAY Madonna should be in there and Journey shouldn't. She has made absolutely NO impact on rock music. Her music has never been a staple on rock radio and there is nothing the least bit innovative about it. There is no denying her influence on pop and dance music, but it's ROCK & ROLL!



Posted by stingr22 on Thursday, 03.13.08 @ 22:48pm


"If you grew up in the 80s, you either liked or loved Journey. If you say that you didn't, you're lying!"-stringr22

You're full of crap. That is all.

Posted by William on Friday, 03.14.08 @ 06:31am


"If you grew up in the 80s, you either liked or loved Journey."

I listen to loads of music from the 80s (clearly more than you). Journey is not among that music.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 03.14.08 @ 13:08pm


"As far as my "vast musical knowledge" goes, you don't know anything about me so don't have any business questioning it."

Sounds like the typically bitchy reaction for someone who just put in their place by someone half their age.

"The first response to any conflict is to dehumanize your opponent."

It's theoretically impossible to dehumanize that which never had any humanity in the first place.

Posted by Eddie on Friday, 03.14.08 @ 13:48pm


"Sounds like the typically bitchy reaction for someone who just put in their place by someone half their age." - Braindeddie

Ofcourse, since calling absolute strangers a "Bunch of smug, braindead pricks" isn't at all a sign of hostility.

No wonder I'm calling you Braindeddie from now on.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 03.14.08 @ 15:06pm


And hey, if this is a night for useless posts, he's my millionth edit of my top ten lists

INDUCTED:
1 The Kinks
2 The Rolling Stones
3 R.E.M.
4 The Doors
5 Talking Heads
6 David Bowie
7 The Beatles
8 The Who
9 Led Zeppelin
10 The Band

ELIGIBLE:
1 Joy Division
2 New Order
3 The Cure
4 Roxy Music
5 Echo & The Bunnymen
6 The Stooges
7 The Fall
8 Cocteau Twins
9 Brian Eno
10 XTC

NEXT TEN YEARS (2008-2018):
1 The Smiths
2 Spiritualized
3 Pixies
4 Blur
5 Happy Mondays/Black Grape
6 Pulp
7 Soundgarden
8 The Verve
9 Radiohead
10 The Flaming Lips

CONTEMPORARY ARTISTS:
1 Arcade Fire
2 The New Pornographers
3 Dizzee Rascal
4 LCD Soundsystem
5 Franz Ferdinand
6 The Go! Team
7 Patrick Wolf
8 The Decemberists
9 The Coral
10 Yeah Yeah Yeahs

Posted by Liam on Friday, 03.14.08 @ 15:43pm


The likes of you...put me "in my place"? Hardly!! Age isn't the only thing you're half of to me!! By the looks of your "witty" comments, you're only half right there, too!!

Hey William!! Here's your first "Internet Psychology" subject...a largely nameless, faceless, tough-talking (and that's all it is...talk!!!) cyber-punk called Braindeddie!!

Posted by Terry on Friday, 03.14.08 @ 17:01pm


Try sticking to music comments and quit thinking you're putting anyone in their place...I doubt anyone here is impressed or "trembling in their boots"!!

Try contributing something worthwhile!!!!

Posted by Terry on Friday, 03.14.08 @ 17:07pm


What the hell did I do, Eddie Munster?

Posted by shawn on Friday, 03.14.08 @ 20:15pm


shawn...you're evil reincarnate like the rest of us!! Ain't it great...lol???

Posted by Terry on Friday, 03.14.08 @ 20:25pm


Liam...I'm sure our friend has been dismissed for his latest diatribe. You were probably in "la-la land" but it was way "over the top"...really nasty!! The usual stuff that happens when someone can't win an argument!

Posted by Terry on Saturday, 03.15.08 @ 11:17am


Journey does deserve the HOF before Madonna and I like both artists. But as someone mentioned earlier Madonna was sort of a Multi-Media Icon. No doubt Journey will be in someday and I hope Steve Perry, Greg Rolie and Steve Smith are all part of the festivity. I've never understood the Journey vs. Van Halen bashing over the years, that goes back to the 80's and I'm 44 years old. Both great bands with different styles, I loved them both! What song was playing on the Jukebox in the Last Moments of The Soprano's People?

Posted by Jeffrey Miller on Sunday, 03.23.08 @ 00:22am


Undoubtedly not all people agree on Journey or even like Journey, but that's ok. Every generation has it's band or favorite groups, that they believe belongs in the Hall of Fame. It is sad that Journey, for all that they did to revolutionize the "arena rock" by initiating the big screen videos in their concerts so all would have that front row feeling, no matter where you were sitting, still today are considered Corporate rock. Journey Manager Herbie Herbert fought the media execs tooth and nail over Journeys concert appearances and song dialog, but he was considered to pushy for his own good, and he refused to give in to threats of poor publicity and bad criticism of concerts all because he wanted the bands money to remain the bands money, and refused to allow the so-called corporate world to engage in antics which would have benefitted them all in the name of Journey. Kudos to Steve Perry for managing the rights and some lyrics to his account, Don't bad-mouth Journey, you either like them or you don't, but teither way, they belong in the Hall of Fame..

Posted by wes on Sunday, 03.23.08 @ 10:36am


when i think of the eighties, i think of journey. i'd say that if you're considered a classic rock band of sorts and you have 5+ songs still playing on the radio, you can't be that bad

Posted by sgt. pepperjack on Sunday, 04.27.08 @ 16:26pm


See this is what I hate! People arguing over a band!! C'mon people grow up. I want to support this awesome band but all I see is negativity strewn about. To those who like to spew negativity like it's their necklace, good luck with your life...you'll need it. Perhaps they can't stand how positive and heartwarming Journey's music was! And these were 5 of the most talented musicians...even for today's standards! I dare anyone to play guitar like Neal, a guitar which literally *sings* and the gazillion hooks he plays in the time it takes most guys to play 2 notes. Gosh or how massive the piano parts are in almost every song. The beginning of DSB is awesome. If you hate them then fine go on hating them but why do you have to argue about it and spread the hatred? And you cannot say they didn't rock, check out "Stone in Love" or "Lay it Down" pure rock 'n roll...I don't care what you all think but Rock 'n roll should never die and Journey is a great example of that classic rock sound and therefore should be inducted into the hall of fame!

Posted by anonymous on Thursday, 05.29.08 @ 00:07am


Due to Steve Perry's voice and the musicianship of Neal Schon, and the combined songwriting of those two and Jonathon Cain - they absolutely should be included in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by Laura McPhail on Wednesday, 06.11.08 @ 23:11pm


Journey deserves to be in the RRHOF as they are an iconic band who perfected the power ballad. Their songs have survived for thirty years and for good reason. Unfortunately, some out there are uneducated on their extensive catalog of music, having only heard the songs that are played on the radio. Listen to the albums for some of the greatest music ever. Steve Perry deserves his own place in the RRHOF and also along side of Journey.

Posted by loveodmusic59 on Sunday, 06.15.08 @ 11:11am


Why would Steve Perry deserve induction for his solo work? I don't recall him doing anything special once he left Journey.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 06.15.08 @ 12:22pm


I like Journey, but I just feel that there are too many bands that deserve to be inducted before they do, Deep Purple and Rush among others. It would be nice to see them inducted, but I'd think it nicer to see those two in first.

Posted by Drew on Monday, 06.16.08 @ 09:55am


JOURNEY IS THE BEST BAND,WHEN STEVE PERRY WAS SINGING.THEY DESERVE TO MAKE IT IN!!!!!!

Posted by Elaine on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 11:19am


Journey with Steve Perry is the greatest bands around.To still hear the classics on the radio after 30 years is unbelievable. Movies and television shows using their music is keeping Journey alive for future generations to discover. for that alone, they should definitely be inducted into the R&RHOF

Posted by vicki on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 20:12pm


i love your not the new but i love the old journey they are amazing and i think they made it so big is becuase of steve perry i mean he has the voice the looks and can wrright some of the most amazing songs ever and every one kows them and i think if journey dose make it on the wall then steve perry should be there when the get udacted i mean he was a big big big part of journey

Posted by Darrah on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 17:17pm


Can someone please tell me what happens when you get "udacted"...and is it a bad thing??

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 19:06pm


come on Journey fans keep voting. They, along with Steve Perry deserve to be in the R&RHOF.

Posted by vicki on Sunday, 07.20.08 @ 19:51pm


"come on Journey fans keep voting. They, along with Steve Perry deserve to be in the R&RHOF."- vicki

Okay...for the umteenth time (at least!!!!)...why??? Do you people even know the criteria, even though it's been stated in these posts countless times? What made Journey stand head and shoulders above everyone else (or did they??)? What made Perry the second coming of Caruso (or was he??)? Who are all the artists who were spawned as a direct influence of Journey or Steve Perry??

Try to be objective AND realistic!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 07.20.08 @ 20:09pm


I have read a lot of these comments and the one thing I want to know is, for all these people downing Journey and Steve Perry. I don't see you names on the list to be inducted into anything. Why not? If you can't do better than someone else, put them down to increase your own low self esteem. How sad.

Posted by vicki on Saturday, 07.26.08 @ 21:57pm


Funny thing is that, Journey had made a success as a live band in the '70s, most of the bands in the same bill supporting them at the time ARE already in the Hall (AC/DC, Aerosmith, even Van Halen), but Journey are still considered 'corporate rock', 'arena rock' and so on...

Posted by Harris on Tuesday, 07.29.08 @ 06:53am


Harris - I would love to know when and what tours did Aerosmith and/or AC/DC open for Journey? I have googled a few sources and have not been able to find any information on this.

Although I appreciate Journey; please do not put them in the same category as AC/DC and Aerosmith (pre- 80's).

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 07.29.08 @ 12:43pm


Dameon -

first of all, you should keep in mind than only a portion of people's knowledge is in the web; don't expect everything you "google for" to be there; it's in the books, libraries, LPs and so on (you can actually google this in MIT Technology review)

Secondly, I am not putting Journey in the same category; promoters did it in the '70s. In fact, Journey were way better than AC/DC, Aerosmith or any other act you could find at the time. AC/DC was mostly an underground act playing heavy boogie until they reached superstar status with an overproduced album of songs redone with another vocalist, 'Back in black'. On the contrary, Journey never poured so much money on their no 1, 'Escape'; even 1983's 'Frontiers' was not so polished. (By the way, despite I am a diehard Journey fan, I believe this to be their last album)

Now to the facts. Journey's live album 'Captured' is dedicated to Bon Scott, 'a friend from the highway' as stated in the inner sleeve. So it should be sometime around 1978 to 1980. Then, in 'Time 3' box set, while commenting on every song, Neal Schon argues about 'Where were you': 'It's a song inspired by AC/DC in the time we were in the road together' or something like this.

I am not going to spend time on Aerosmith because they were considered Rolling Stones copycats at the time; only post 1987 in the MTV-era they were made famous.

Anyway, I think they should ALL be in the hall, but since themselves decided to be Rock and Hop instead, it's no use being there and arguing about. Eventually it will disintegrate, when entering all these alternative rock, hip hop, electronica, techno and rave acts. End of story.





Posted by Harris on Saturday, 08.2.08 @ 05:15am


Dameon -

first of all, you should keep in mind than only a portion of people's knowledge is in the web; don't expect everything you "google for" to be there; it's in the books, libraries, LPs and so on (you can actually google this in MIT Technology review)

Secondly, I am not putting Journey in the same category; promoters did it in the '70s. In fact, Journey were way better than AC/DC, Aerosmith or any other act you could find at the time. AC/DC was mostly an underground act playing heavy boogie until they reached superstar status with an overproduced album of songs redone with another vocalist, 'Back in black'. On the contrary, Journey never poured so much money on their no 1, 'Escape'; even 1983's 'Frontiers' was not so polished. (By the way, despite I am a diehard Journey fan, I believe this to be their last album)

Now to the facts. Journey's live album 'Captured' is dedicated to Bon Scott, 'a friend from the highway' as stated in the inner sleeve. So it should be sometime around 1978 to 1980. Then, in 'Time 3' box set, while commenting on every song, Neal Schon argues about 'Where were you': 'It's a song inspired by AC/DC in the time we were in the road together' or something like this.

I am not going to spend time on Aerosmith because they were considered Rolling Stones copycats at the time; only post 1987 in the MTV-era they were made famous.

Anyway, I think they should ALL be in the hall, but since themselves decided to be Rock and Hop instead, it's no use being there and arguing about. Eventually it will disintegrate, when entering all these alternative rock, hip hop, electronica, techno and rave acts. End of story.





Posted by Harris on Saturday, 08.2.08 @ 05:16am


"Anyway, I think they should ALL be in the Hall... Eventually it will disintegrate, when entering all these alternative rock, hip hop, electronica, techno and rave acts. End of story."

I assume you man the hall's standards, questionable as they may be, will deteriorate when all that other garbage (you know, the modern stuff) gets put in. This unlike the time after the first wave of originals, ex. Elvis/Berry/Diddley/G. Vincent, when acts like the Beatles, the Stones, Zeppelin, started getting in. You know, the second wave... the imitators... the ones who came after THE ORIGINALS who actually started it!

Yeah, I agree w/you. Standards have fallen... it's been about, say, 50 yrs. now since it all went in the tank. To think the music of the 50's could be so thoroughly debased by everyone from the Beatles to Zeppelin to GNR to Nirvana to the White Stripes really is an utter embarrasment.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 08.2.08 @ 05:47am


I am not going to spend time on Aerosmith because they were considered Rolling Stones copycats at the time; only post 1987 in the MTV-era they were made famous. (Harris)

This statement alone tells me that I really cannot take you all that seriously. Sorry! The only comparrison made was Jagger and Tyler's lips. Yeah, Aerosmith was influenced by those that came before them, but they did not copycat the Stones. Do you think Journey was pure innovation?

Journey has their place in RnR history, I grant you that. But Journey was never better than AC/DC or Aersomith!!!!!!!!!!!

For the record, although they recorded some good music post 87; there true achievements were in the 70's.

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 08.2.08 @ 08:47am


The rock & roll hall of fame is a joke and Steve and the guys are too good for it period.

Posted by ME on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 23:56pm


Love 'em or hate 'em, everybody's talking about them, even people who can't stand them. They're as popular today as they were in 1981....and with the same song!

Posted by Charlie on Friday, 08.22.08 @ 11:02am


No!

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Friday, 08.22.08 @ 11:35am


Okay...for the umteenth time (at least!!!!)...why??? Do you people even know the criteria, even though it's been stated in these posts countless times? What made Journey stand head and shoulders above everyone else (or did they??)? What made Perry the second coming of Caruso (or was he??)? Who are all the artists who were spawned as a direct influence of Journey or Steve Perry??

Here is your answer:

Journey was the first band to ever use the large video screens at their concerts, it was Herbie Herberts idea. The company Nocturne (co-owned by Herbie and Neal Schon) still supply bands with equipment to this day. How many concerts have you been to in the last 20 years that did not have a huge video screen for the cheap seats to view the show? That was Journey, they started that.

Journey was the first band to have a "corporate" sponsor for their tour. Budweiser sponsored the Frontiers tour. Journey did that. Big corporations are climbing all over bands on tour to be the "official whatever" of that band/tour.

Journey is the 29th all time album sales leader.

Journey, whether you like the songs they came up with or not, have been innovators in the music industry. And that is a fact!

Posted by Vincent on Wednesday, 09.10.08 @ 00:03am


I have read comments on both sides of the fence when it comes to Journey, but you have to be kidding if you think Jumbotrons and Corporate sponsorship is the pathway to HoF recognition.

Sorry Vincent, but based on your comment, I have to now vote "NO" for Journey.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 09.10.08 @ 06:01am


Let's be real here. Journey's not getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Too many of their fans like them ironically, as opposed to similarly big bands like The Cars or Cheap Trick, whose fans have always been sincere. More importantly, during their peak years they were critically despised. There hasn't been near enough of a turnaround on that.

I like Journey, and not ironically either, but they have no chance in hell.

Posted by MBI on Wednesday, 09.10.08 @ 06:38am


They sold truckloads of albums,concert tickets.
I liked some of their very early material pre Steve Perry.
But did they really influence anybody?

Posted by Gary James CA on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 09:28am


Agree with Dameon...coming up with gimmicks or ways for people to see better from the "cheap" seats has basically nothing to do with the music itself....mb Journey should get in the technology innovation hall of fame :-)

Posted by 999999 on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 17:28pm


How in the world Van Halen was inducted or for that matter, MADONNA? come on....

You have to remember Eddie Van Halen introduced the whole "tapping" technique for guitar playing on a large scale.
(Although players such as Harvey Mandel,
Ollie Halsall,Allan Holdsworth all were doing it way before him.)
He revolutionized guitar playing,there were tons of Van Halen (the band) clones turning up.
Mimicking their staright ahead rock with the flashy guitarwork ethics.

Madonna,that entry one i still "don't get".

Posted by Gary James CA on Saturday, 09.27.08 @ 10:12am


to, kit

I think almost all of us fans of good music all agree that you should get off this site maybe throw out the hand lotion and go buy a good album and listen to the music if you feel the need to leave an offensive comment you have a real problem, If you still think that journey or kiss still sucks how about you look at all of us fans here dont leave any more comments.

from, a musician

Posted by Austen on Wednesday, 10.1.08 @ 11:00am


Yes to Journey

Journey rocks

Posted by Journey is #1 on Saturday, 10.4.08 @ 14:08pm


Journey is the greatest band of all time

The group is the MOST DESERVING

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Posted by Arnold Schearzinigger on Sunday, 10.5.08 @ 10:20am


Not a question. Journey should have been inducted years ago.

Undisputed greatest band on Earth from 1981 to 1984

Posted by AsDfGhJkL on Friday, 11.7.08 @ 16:47pm


HOLY CRAP!! Do I have to say this at every bands dang page? "Innovation and Influence" those are the requirements for induction. It doesn't matter how many "classic songs" you've had. It doesn't matter "how corportate you are" it doesn't matter what the critics said about you. The Reason Journey isn't in the hall, and the reason they won't get in the hall, is simply because there music wasn't anything new, and it didn't influence anyone. People point to musicianship and songwriting, once again, doesn't matter. Singing, oh yeah, doesn't matter. All that matters is that you did something that no one else had done, and that people followed in your footsteps. Van Halen influenced countless people, just about every hair metal band in the 80's. The Police influenced many people in the new wave genre of the 80's also, so don't put them in the same bag as "Journey".

Posted by Calzone on Friday, 11.14.08 @ 16:15pm


Journey will be remembered unlike Calzone. Now go back to the crazy house were you came from Calzone.

Posted by Brother on Friday, 11.14.08 @ 18:31pm


Brother, Did i say I would be remembered? Did i say Journey wouldn't be? All I said was that Journey wouldn't get in the rock and roll hall of fame, that has nothing to do with being remembered. And they won't get in, because they didn't influence anyone, and they weren't innovative. It's that simple. That comment you made said nothing to contradict me, nor did it prove anything about journey getting in. Show a little brains when writing these things, brother.

Posted by Calzone on Saturday, 11.15.08 @ 12:21pm


According to Rolling Stone Magazine's Top 100 greatest Frontman list. Steve Perry was ranked 76, and they listed some current artist who are influenced by Journey. Chad Kroeger of Nickelback, Rob Thomas of Matchbox 20, and Chris Daughtry.

Other people who are influenced by Journey include Garth Brooks, Bon Jovi, Limp Buzkit, and Lifehouse.

Journey also reinvented the way of stadium concert should look for the audiance. They added light shows, and big scene TV's for fans in lawn sits to get a look for the band from a far distance. Many artist that were around between the early 80's and now have followed Journey's foot steps.

They have influences and innovation, so they should deserve a place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

They won't get in because critics didn't like them, including Rolling Stone Magazine, but with Steve Perry making the cut on the greatest frontman list, maybe Jann and the committee can start thinking about considering Arena Rock Legends Journey into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by Kyle on Tuesday, 11.25.08 @ 11:45am


See, Now that's a comment that's actually respectable! good job kyle, i respect your arguements. But, the way i see it, do they really deserve to be ranked with the innovative likes of The Velvet Underground, Led Zeppelin, and all those? True, they were revolutionary in the way concerts are viewed, but did that do anything for rock music all together? Bon Jovi should get in, so maybe that will get journey in too if Bon Jovi was influenced by them, but from where i'm standing joureny never really had a good album. They had a lot of good songs, just, they had a lot of bad ones too. I still don't believe they should, or WILL, get in, but thank you Kyle for showing what a comment and arguement should look like :).

Posted by Calzone on Wednesday, 11.26.08 @ 00:44am


I posted my views in the SP section, but... I don't see Journey being considered, at least for a while. The band's been eligible since 2000, and have yet to even be considered.

Very popular (look at sales of Greatest Hits), but in terms of music and impact, it's not like Journey's on anywhere near the same page as U2, R.E.M., etc.- Journey, Foreigner, Bon Jovi can all be lumped together. And among newer acts, Nickelback would be just like them- very commercial-driven rock music, little in the way of taking musical risks.

Posted by JR on Tuesday, 12.9.08 @ 10:29am


"but from where i'm standing joureny never really had a good album."

Ummm, ESCAPE? FRONTIERS? Those generally viewed as two of the best albums of their style of music.

Also, they had just as much influence on 80's bands as Van Halen, if not more so.

Posted by Randy on Wednesday, 12.10.08 @ 20:36pm


To say that Journey "sucks" or isnt popular, is just rediculous. This band has sold over 80 million records worldwide. According the recording industry they are the 28th best selling band of the united states. Out of all the records sold, how can they not be influencial?? They paved the way for bands like Bon jovi. Even Jon Bon Jovi said he was influenced by Journey. How in the world did REM get inducted way before bands that have sold 3 times as many records?? Thats just sad.

Posted by Nate on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 10:49am


At least the Steve Perry asskissers are on the right page now. Journey - Yes. Steve Perry as soloist - Fart!

Posted by Worm on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 11:00am


"How in the world did REM get inducted way before bands that have sold 3 times as many records??"

Estimated worldwide record sales Journey: +75 million records
Estimated worldwide record sales R.E.M.: +100 million records

Number of bands that sold more than 300 million records worlwdide, but were not in the Hall when R.E.M. was inducted:

One. (ABBA: estimated sell of 370 million records)

Wake up Nate. Record sales do not equal influence. It doesn't work that way. Unfortunately for Journey, they completely lack the critical acclaim that could increase their chances.

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 11:20am


I find it hard to believe REM is more influential than Chicago, journey, and even foreigner. And by the way Chicago was another band that had a much larger influence than REM. They sold over 120 million records worldwide, and still not in the rock hall of fame.

To put bands like REM in the hall of fame, before Chicago and Journey is messed up.


Posted by Nate on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 12:34pm


You don't think R.E.M. is influential? Ever heard of a genre called "alternative rock"? Practically every artist in that genre owe their existence to R.E.M. You probably will have a hard time naming three bands influenced by Foreigner, while R.E.M. is one of the main influences of the most important rockgenre of the last two decades.

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 12:57pm


I am sorry Nate, but to say Journey was more of an influence than REM is just not correct. REM influenced an entire genre of Rock and Roll. You can still hear the influences of REM in much of todays alternative/indie scene. At best, Journey's pop sensibility influenced only a handful of bands. I made mention of a band in a post a little while ago called Angel. They are actually credited as one of the bands that bridged the keyboard/guitar clash. The difference between Angel and Journey is that Journey's music had more hooks in it. More radio friendly so to speak.

I am in no way saying that Journey does not belong in the Hall or that Angel does. I am just saying that when you look at the whole picture, REM was far more influential.

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 12:59pm


Didn't The Velvet Underground start "alternative-rock" a decade or 2 before REM??

Posted by interviewer on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 14:07pm


Yep! they did. VU has more influence on every band than REM for sure. And Journey is waaaaaaaaaay better then REM

Posted by Abandoned on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 14:52pm


What's with this contest between REM and Journey? I don't see that much similarity. How about using Incubus? Thats a group more like REM.

Posted by Bubble on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 15:06pm


Nothing? Okay, I will have to sign off. My point was REM is an alternative rock group and Journey is classic rock, so they aren't too similiar. But, Incubus is also alternative rock, and more alike to REM.

Posted by Bubble on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 15:23pm


No argument! JOURNEY IS JUST BETTER! Deal with it!:)

ps alternative rock sucks giant hairy balls!

Posted by Sherry on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 17:52pm


To say REM is more influential than mega bands like Journey and Chicago, is just hilarious. Come on lets be realistic. REM is not even in the top 100 bands for the united states.

Posted by Nate on Monday, 12.15.08 @ 10:49am


You have a strange kind of humor, my friend. But if you thought that was funny, how about this one? Bob Dylan made a bigger impact on music history than Kansas. Hahaha.

I'm very interested in that top hundred. Could you give us a link?

Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 12.15.08 @ 11:50am


I didn't say that REM started Alt/Indie; I said that there influence and impact can still be heard in todays bands. And as far as I am concerned, I think the Beatles did some music that would have been called Indie/Underground/Alt if it weren't for the fact that they were the f'n Beatles. I will add The Stones, Kinks and Who onto that list as well.

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Monday, 12.15.08 @ 13:31pm


And as far as I am concerned, I think the Beatles did some music that would have been called Indie/Underground/Alt if it weren't for the fact that they were the f'n Beatles. I will add The Stones, Kinks and Who onto that list as well.

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Monday, 12.15.08 @ 13:31pm
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Could you mention what the Stones/Who/Kinks did that would be "indie" or "underground"?

I'm also wondering just how a band stops being "indie" or "underground". After all, the Beatles weren't always the "f'n Beatles". They were once just the Beatles. What songs are you referring to? Perhaps "Love Me Do", or something from 62-63 --- would that have been their "underground" or "indie" period?

You said it was some music - is indie really a style or just social & cultural wrapping paper of sorts? I'm really interested here.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 12.15.08 @ 17:11pm


Ya know Cheesecrop, I will take a somewhat uninformed stab at your question. "Indie" as I know it is a term for an artist/group who independently publishes their own music - are not under contract to any record label. As such they have total freedom of artistic expression, which in turn often outlets unique/strange, but sometimes a wonderful sound. Of the bands you noted, (my opinion) The Beatles maybe were an indie-ish club band in their early years.

The strait answer: Indie really is NOT a style or genre. I would agree that it is wrapping paper, as you say -- am thinking of brown bag wrapping paper. no frills! (just thrills?)

Posted by Telarock on Monday, 12.15.08 @ 18:18pm


I completely agree with Telarock, Indie is not a really a genre, cause you can sound however you want, you just have to be independent. And I've never heard a more stupid arguement then Journey VS. R.E.M on Influence. Dude, Cmon, Journey? R.E.M. Influenced Pixies, Nirvana, Radiohead, Coldplay, They influenced more bands in Alternative Rock then anyone (except Velvet Underground of course :)) And, Paving the way for someone, isn't influencing them. Journey may have "Paved the way" for Bon Jovi, but so? Nirvana "Paved the way" For Pearl Jam, but that doesn't mean that Pearl Jam took influence from Nirvana! Journey won't get in the hall, it's the hard and rough truth. If Styx ain't getting in, Journey ain't getting in. The whole corporate rock scene was worthless. Go Listen to R.E.M If you want real music.

Posted by Calzone on Monday, 12.15.08 @ 22:54pm


People, wake up. These terms like "indie, punk, new wave" ,etc. are mainly tools of music marketers looking to entice the listener into breaking out their wallets and putting down $$ on the newest, hippest sounds to impress people they know by looking cool and cutting-edge. The late 70s are a perfect example. When disco was the new craze, the rock people had to figure out what to do to compete. Thus the terms "punk" and "new wave" were created to give rock a fresher image. (Even though this "punk" sound had been around for a decade or more by that time.) The same with indie........

Posted by prognosticator on Monday, 12.15.08 @ 22:56pm


"People, wake up." - prognosticator
=====================================================
Yo, prognos, thanks for the alarm! (joke) Some people seem to have this paranoia that we're all being mindlessly manipulated by marketers & media people. Now, c'mon, are you serious? As music evolves (and it does evolve) new vocabulary is needed. Sometimes the vocabulary itself even evolves - an older description of "grunge" would have been "garage punk."

Mind you, the vocabulary of a marketer is not necessarily academic, e.g., my own aversion to the term "soft rock" or "lite rock". Don't bring those terms into any technical discussion about rock music. However, when radio people use those terms - its colloquial, people know what they mean, so it makes sense to use them in that regard.

My point is, don't be paranoid of marketing people with their innate desire to write "new and improved" on everything they ever get hold of. All new vocabulary eventually has to pass through our collective resistance to it.

(Pls excuse my waxing philosophical. What the hell is wrong with me? omg! I must need help.)

Posted by Telarock on Tuesday, 12.16.08 @ 10:19am


The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a prime example of the word "corporate".I have been there on several occassions and as I walked through this
surface "museum" , I had to wonder why Journey
with Steve Perry had never been inducted?In my
opinion, so many artists who had talent inferior
to Steve Perry and Journey have their legacy on
display in Cleveland.Several artists who have been
inducted are included because of their political viewpoints brought to light in songs.I do not need a lecture on social consciousness to regard a band or artist as talented.Steve Perry and Journey wrote and sang songs about love and relationships in a heartfelt and sincere manner with words which reflected ( in my opinion ), a genuine admiration , love , and respect for women and the positive relationships possible between the sexes.Steve Perry and Jonathon Cain wrote and sang music that spoke to and for many sensitive fans who grew up in the late 1970's and
into the early 1980's, especially women.Influential and important music.

Posted by Sherie on Friday, 12.26.08 @ 11:08am


Journey should definitely get into the HOF. Sadly, most music nowadays, although it is crap, has a lot better chance of getting in than Journey because people dont have good taste. Bands like Journey, Boston, Foreigner, CCR, etc., deserve more appreciation than the crappy music made these days.

Posted by ???????? on Thursday, 01.1.09 @ 21:52pm


"most music nowadays, although it is crap, has a lot better chance of getting in than Journey because people dont have good taste."

I see that this board still gets some funny shit posted on it, but it's way past its best. I think it's time to call it a day.

Posted by An Old Friend on Friday, 01.2.09 @ 08:00am


Hell no!

well, maybe

Posted by Montrosecult on Monday, 01.5.09 @ 14:17pm


Look at the nominees before nominiating someone else.Plus look at the years before nominations.RUNDMC was almost the first rappers with Steve Tyler besides Blondie.Michael McDonald,Dtevie Nicks,and Lionel Ritchie were in groups.If you haven't had Doobie Brothers,Fleetwood Mac,or Commandores in the Hall of Fame than who is doing this?Many legands are being over looked and someone isn't paying attention.Many artists have given great music.

Posted by Kay on Thursday, 01.15.09 @ 17:58pm


I didn't see the rudeness of one person who decided to bring Jesus into the e-mail.Well.your beleif is your opinion not everyone sees what you have to say.No matter who the group,artist,musician is sometimes we need to recognize their work that they bring to others.Some music with cussing,expression,or loudness doesn't make me get upand dance or relax.Like Open Arms,Wheel In The Sky,and Don't Stop Believing. Plus classic rock is memories and fun.

Posted by Nicole on Thursday, 01.15.09 @ 18:15pm


Kit, you are a bitch! Does anyone force you to listen to Journey.....? I'll admit that no band can have all their songs be hits, but Steve Perry is and always be the Voice! get a life!

Posted by Judy Magill on Friday, 01.30.09 @ 17:34pm


Judy Magill...let's face it...the only ones who call Steve Perry "the voice" are Steve Perry fans. I've liked some of Journey's material, but I'm far from calling him anything so ridiculous.

Try listening to some vintage Elvis Presley or Freddie Mercury for starters and tell me with a straight face that you still think he's "the voice".

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 01.30.09 @ 17:44pm


Judy Magill...let's face it...the only ones who call Steve Perry "the voice" are Steve Perry fans. I've liked some of Journey's material, but I'm far from calling him anything so ridiculous.
Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 01.30.09 @ 17:44pm

I agree and his best work was with Journey...

I find him just Ok....I think he means well but.... He was being busy being a rock star rather than an artist...Just a un- educated opinion...
I never really got into his stuff.. All for I know I could be wrong..

Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 01.30.09 @ 19:09pm


Kit? You more than likely ICP. Which in 100% honesty? Is the worst band to ever grace the music industry. Grow up. Classics are labeled such because they are unfalible. They have been cherished by fans for generations on end. ICP will fade. The classics, like Journey, will live on forever. btw, if you do like ICP? You are a definite moron, Kit. They are just dumb. Quit your wrist slitting and listen to something worth a dime. Sorry to bring that wad of dung back to light.

Posted by annonymous on Wednesday, 02.25.09 @ 15:50pm


You say that REM was more influential? Did REM have their songs played in the comebacks, Family guy, or the sopranos? Did REM have their own video game? No. Journey did.

Posted by crab230 on Monday, 03.2.09 @ 14:52pm


As a matter of fact, "It's The End of the World As We Know It" can be heard in the Family Guy episode "McStroke" (episode 6, season 8).

But that's beside the point. Videogames and soundtracks show they can make nice cultural references, but isn't really proof of influence.

Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 03.2.09 @ 15:17pm


As a matter of fact, "It's The End of the World As We Know It" can be heard in the Family Guy episode "McStroke" (episode 6, season 8).

But that's beside the point. Videogames and soundtracks show they can make nice cultural references, but isn't really proof of influence.

Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 03.2.09 @ 15:17pm

Personally, I think if you have a significant amount of cultural influence, you should receive strong consideration for the RRHOF.

Journey should be in.

Posted by Ray on Monday, 03.2.09 @ 17:27pm


corporate blah blah diblahblah. do you really care? I'm so tired of wanna be arm-chair ANALysts decifering what is and what is not art and the criteria in which to make it. like we know what is what like to sit in the room, studio or wherever and write with these guys. anyone who blathers on about "corperate rock" better closely review their cd or record collections. we're all corperate if count in the desire to make money. as are musicians in every way. I am not a huge fan but as a musician i respect all that they have done. if your a REAL player then you drop the pathetic "corperate" crap. look at the body of work, the musicianship present and past and commend that they are still out there going for it. music is a business. no problem for me if they are currently on the road to make some cash. can they still play? hell yes. I dont like the filipino singer however.

Posted by spleege on Thursday, 03.19.09 @ 04:09am


I don't really care about all this corporate stuff. Im in 7th grade and everyone in my class knows all the words to "Don't Stop Believin".

Posted by Viking on Tuesday, 04.7.09 @ 08:36am


If anything this says that Journey does NOT suck and that it is still extremely popular with kids my age.

Posted by Viking on Tuesday, 04.7.09 @ 08:38am


Journey's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Scenerio

Presenter: Jon Bon Jovi or Chad Kroeger

Members Inducted: Steve Perry, Neal Schon, Greg Rolio, Ross Valory, Steve Smith, and Jonathan Cain

Opening Song: Anyway You Want It

Songs Performed: Wheels In The Sky, Lights, Don't Stop Believin

Posted by Kyle on Friday, 04.24.09 @ 07:59am


They only had a one hit wonder in that case, I think Carl Douglas should make it in for "Kung Fu Fighting".

Posted by Nick on Monday, 05.18.09 @ 21:02pm


Nick, did you just call Journey a one-hit wonder? They had 18 top 40 singles, including 6 top 10 on the hot 100 chart, have sold 47 million albums in the U.S. alone, 80 million worldwide, were one of the biggest arena rock bands of the 1980s, and still get a lot of radio play. Doesn't sound like a one-hit wonder to me.

Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 05.18.09 @ 21:14pm


I probably commented somewhere on this page, but Journey probably won't be considered for the HOF anytime soon. Too lightweight of an act- there's no denying the popularity, but, as we *should* know, that alone isn't enough for consideration, and in turn, induction. A song like "Don't Stop believin'" could be described as being a classic, but usage in ads, TV shows, etc. etc. definitely help that track sustain as it has. The band has not had much acclaim through the years, and hat will hurt any prospects.

Posted by JR on Monday, 05.18.09 @ 21:17pm


Dude Man, I'm just saying anybody who's not a fan only know them as the guys who sing "Don't Stop Believin".

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 05.19.09 @ 20:53pm


I disagree once again because anyone who listens to rock radio will hear "Separate Ways", "Any Way You Want It", "Wheel in the Sky", and "Open Arms". Also, Journey is one of few bands that are still relevant to this generation. I went to someone's kid's birthday once. The DJ only played two rock songs the whole time. One was "You Shook Me All Night Long", the other was "Don't stop Believin'", and the rest was all of the current bubblegum and rap that controls today's charts. Yes, "Don't Stop Believin'" is thier signature song, but they are the farest thing from a one-hit wonder chart wise or by what songs hold up.

Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 05.19.09 @ 21:17pm


I agree todays music is crap with very few execptions. I listen to rock radio and I only here "Dont Stop Believin and I guess "Any Way You Want It" but just because they sell good and have a couple well known songs dosent mean they belong In the Hall. So many other bands deserve it more like Genesis,Yes,and so on. But I agree with you somewhat.

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 05.19.09 @ 21:47pm


Nick, I don't see how you can consider them a One or Two hit wonder, especially when their Greatest Hits album alone sold 15 Million copies. That doesn't happen to bands like that. Plus you forgot songs like Lights, Who's Crying Now, Faithfully and Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'.

Posted by brian on Tuesday, 05.19.09 @ 22:11pm


I'm just saying anybody who's not a fan only know them as the guys who sing "Don't Stop Believin". (Nick)

Although I disagree with your statement, in reality that can be said about hundreds of relevant bands, both past and present.

Off the top of my head, I can only name one or two songs by Joy Division, but I certainly understand the historial importance of the band. Hell, I can only name a couple of Genesis songs off the top of my head. And most feel that to this point, they have been snubbed by the Hall

Journey certainly has a place in the history books of Rock. I have no problem with them being inducted one day, but I think that day will not happen for quite awhile. I cannot figure out the nominating committee's thought process anymore.

Now that there is a discussion on Journey, I wonder where all the fanboys are.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 05.20.09 @ 05:07am


I can't believe that Dude Man has been slagging Journey & we haven't seen the influx of 'Perryites' wailing & gnashing their teeth about how Dude Man doesn't know what he is talking about, etc. etc.

Maybe they're all on holiday, stalking Mr. Perry...

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 05.20.09 @ 05:50am


Paul - actually it is Nick and not Dudeman who is slapping Journey a little. If I remember correctly, a lot of the fanboys only cared about Perry and not so much about Journey.

What happened to Gitarzan?

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 05.20.09 @ 06:36am


Actually I think it is fangirls and not fanboys for Mr. Perry.

Posted by Brian on Wednesday, 05.20.09 @ 09:10am


Thanks Dameon. I was defending Journey the whole time.

Posted by Dude Man on Wednesday, 05.20.09 @ 12:09pm


Fanboy or fangirl - same sh*t to me. All they do is flame and nothing else.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 05.20.09 @ 14:22pm


Genesis has out sold Journey over all, and their Platinum Collection album features alot more hits then Jouney's Greatest Hits. I'm done thank you all for a good debate.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 05.20.09 @ 21:15pm


Both Journey and Genesis are great bands and both worthy of the hall of shame. I'm not going to debate which band was better because this is a case of apples and oranges. You can't compare two completely different bands. Albeit they do have a similar history. Starting out as struggling progressive bands(even through Genesis had some great songs when Peter Gabriel was in the band) that later became softer arena rock kings.

Posted by Dude Man on Wednesday, 05.20.09 @ 21:28pm


Nick - you are correct about sales. But according to the Hall, sales is supposed to have little impact on the voting process. That being said, if you look at the actual sales of Genesis, I think you will see that when they were a best selling group, it was after Gabriel and Hackett departed. I don't know all the exact sales number. As far as I am concerned, this version of Genesis was a completely different one than the band I listened to when I was a teen. I actually look at them as two completely different bands.

Anyway, this is just my opinion.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 05:55am


Dameon, thanks for correcting me on who was doing the dissing. I hope Gitarzan is having fun on vacation or something like that.

BTW, I say no Journey in Hall until about 40 other acts that are long overdue get put in.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 06:34am


Paul & Dameon...I've been busy moving, so I guess that qualifies as "something like that"...and no, I'm not having a lick of fun (LOL)!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 08:03am


Yes put in Journey the group. Forget about solo induction for their lead singer.

Posted by deemand on Tuesday, 06.2.09 @ 10:00am


Well, Journey certainly stands a better shot at induction as a group over Steve Perry as a solo act. But, still, Journey is viewed as too lightweight, I imagine, hence the fact that the band hasn't even been considered since becoming eligible. Doesn't mean the band isn't popular- it is- and it has its fans, but...

Posted by JR on Tuesday, 06.2.09 @ 11:22am


JR, methink you stated what is obvious. Journey should be in, no buts ... hence No to Steve Perry as solo artist.

Posted by deemand on Thursday, 06.4.09 @ 09:48am


It should also be mentioned that Journey sucks.

Posted by jdh on Wednesday, 06.10.09 @ 13:42pm


80 million albums sold. 18 top-forty hits, plus classics like "Wheel in the Sky," and "Lights" which despite not quite reaching the top forty have become rock classics, albums like Escape (9xmulti-platinum) and Frontiers (6x-multi-platinum) that bridge styles as diverse as heavy rock and soft ballads, while not losing a unique, recognizable sound: all of this makes Journey worthy. Whether or not one likes their music, they have to be recognized for creating a style that would influence the work of a very broad and diverse array of artists (Survivor, Bon Jovi, Mariah Carey, Josh Groban, Guff, Stryper). Yes, some of their most well-known songs are cheesy, but many of the best artists of rock history recorded some sappy stuff. Sap is wonderful when its done right-- Don't tell me that the Beetle's "I wanna hold your hand" isn't sappy.

Posted by Gabatxo on Thursday, 07.2.09 @ 21:44pm


hey Kit...listen to the guitar!!!!!

Posted by brian on Monday, 07.20.09 @ 19:54pm


Acts like Journey specialized in cheesy/light songs, though- so to mention a Beatles song doesn't make much sense. And for the uptempth time, commercial succes is not a big factor in determining HOF induction- it's clearly not mentioned in the criteria, so I don't know why some think it plays a large role in consideration. If it id, then acts like Journey would be in.

Since it hasn't been considered since becoming eligible, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Journey to pop up on the nominees list any tme soon.

Posted by JR on Thursday, 08.20.09 @ 21:31pm


Journey had one of the best singers to grace a rock stage, and has been cited as an influence by quite a few bands that have also succeeded. (Can you say...Bon Jovi?) Of all the 80s semi-commercial pop/rock bands--which, let's face it, were a legitimate part of rock history--Journey deserves it most.

Posted by Joe on Thursday, 10.29.09 @ 20:16pm


If anyone read the interview by Journey's old manager, Herbie Herbert, he had his opinion why they aren't in the HOF yet. Basically, after 1986's Raised on Radio, Journey was inactive for about 17 years or so. That's a long time to be inactive for a band. They got back together and did Trial by Fire, but by the time, the spark wasn't there with the original members. Steve Perry basically held the band hostage for 17 years while he did nothing. Herbie said that Journey should have continued without Perry after about 1984, because he was just an A-hole. It was all about him. The reason Van Halen got in the HOF is because after Roth left, they went out and got Hagar and were extremely successful with him as well. They kept their legacy going. If Journey wouldn't done that, they would be in by now. But they didn't. They let Perry dictate the band, and now this is where they sit. I they do get in though.

Posted by Alan on Thursday, 12.10.09 @ 16:21pm


You people that trash talk steve without knowing him are cruel . He is and will always be one of the top singers in rock or any other style. People that dont like him because they just dont understand him.There still good without him ,but not as good thats why they keep hiring singers that try to sound like him. I wonder why! lol They will be inducted just like Yes needs to be in to.

Posted by sean on Saturday, 01.16.10 @ 09:05am


Attention all Steve Perry fans:

Perry has a separate page from Journey. Journey has a separate page from Mr. Perry. Everytime you vote on the Steve Perry page, none of it contributes to "Journey" - the band. All you are voting for is Perry's SOLO work.

You ARE aware of this, aren't you?

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 01.23.10 @ 18:37pm


"According to Rolling Stone Magazine's Top 100 greatest Frontman list. Steve Perry was ranked 76, and they listed some current artist who are influenced by Journey. Chad Kroeger of Nickelback, Rob Thomas of Matchbox 20, and Chris Daughtry." While I will give that list some credibility, since there were some singers who participated, it's important to note that they put Kurt Cobain above Paul Rodgers, Roger Daltrey and Steven Tyler, while Ian Gillan, David Coverdale and Chris Cornell didn't even make the list. I haven't listened to Daughtry. Possibly true for Rob Thomas, since he and Journey are both pop-rock. I don't believe Chad Kroeger, though, because Nickelback are a post-grunge band, which means they're mainly drawing from Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam. Anyway, you'll need to find actual proof of that (citations as well, please.)

"Other people who are influenced by Journey include Garth Brooks, Bon Jovi, Limp Buzkit, and Lifehouse." I haven't listened to Garth Brooks, but I know he's country. I haven't listened to much LB, but they're rap-rock/nu-metal/rap-metal, so it sounds unlikely that they drew anything from Journey. Possibly Lifehouse. Possibly Bon Jovi from '92 onward, though in the 80's they were kind of Springsteen meets pop-metal. I haven't heard Richie Sambora cite Schon as an influence; I only know Jimmy Page, Aerosmith, Clapton and Johnny Winter. Again, I'd need citations to be convinced.

"Journey also reinvented the way of stadium concert should look for the audiance. They added light shows, and big scene TV's for fans in lawn sits to get a look for the band from a far distance. Many artist that were around between the early 80's and now have followed Journey's foot steps." That's more like it. Okay, the video screens; that's progress. I'm skeptical that light shows weren't around yet. Plus, WHO has followed in Journey's footsteps? (more on that later.)

"Bon Jovi should get in, so maybe that will get journey in too if Bon Jovi was influenced by them, but from where i'm standing joureny never really had a good album." No, BJ's credentials are borderline, and there are many more acts that deserve it first.

"Also, they had just as much influence on 80's bands as Van Halen, if not more so." (Sighs)... That's false in every way, so I can't even be bothered to elaborate. Any rock fan should know that's a lie.

"How in the world did REM get inducted way before bands that have sold 3 times as many records?? Thats just sad." I believe that they do look at sales and chart success, but you need a lot more than that. Again, if you can't recognize that R.E.M. have Journey beat in Innovation, Influence and Impact (the Three I's the Hall looks at) then you don't deserve to be posting here.

"I find it hard to believe REM is more influential than Chicago, journey, and even foreigner. And by the way Chicago was another band that had a much larger influence than REM. They sold over 120 million records worldwide, and still not in the rock hall of fame.

To put bands like REM in the hall of fame, before Chicago and Journey is messed up." I believe you could maybe make a case for Chicago for Innovation, but WHO did they influence? Again, the idea that R.E.M. deserve it less than Journey and Foreigner is absurd.
"ps alternative rock sucks giant hairy balls!" If that's what you think, fine, but don't expect many people on this site to agree with you.

"The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a prime example of the word "corporate".I have been there on several occassions and as I walked through this
surface "museum" , I had to wonder why Journey
with Steve Perry had never been inducted?In my
opinion, so many artists who had talent inferior
to Steve Perry and Journey have their legacy on
display in Cleveland.Several artists who have been
inducted are included because of their political viewpoints brought to light in songs.I do not need a lecture on social consciousness to regard a band or artist as talented.Steve Perry and Journey wrote and sang songs about love and relationships in a heartfelt and sincere manner with words which reflected ( in my opinion ), a genuine admiration , love , and respect for women and the positive relationships possible between the sexes.Steve Perry and Jonathon Cain wrote and sang music that spoke to and for many sensitive fans who grew up in the late 1970's and
into the early 1980's, especially women.Influential and important music." Woah there, that's a lot. I haven't been to the Hall, but while I think they've made some mistakes, most of the bands in the Hall right now do deserve it more than Journey, and there are many snubbed so far who deserve it more. As for the "less talent" I think you'll find a) there are many people in the Hall more talented than Journey and b) sometimes, less is more. E.G. A great many kids in bands coming of age hated the state of rock in the mid to late 70's. They felt that most of the arena rock acts sucked, most of them hated prog and the long guitar solos, and in general felt that what was going on was the opposite of what they felt should be happening. They wanted some raw, basic down to earth Rock 'n' Roll; this was the 2nd or 3rd wave of punk, following in the footsteps of the Stooges and MC5. Thus, The Ramones and New York Dolls leading the way in New York, The Damned, The Clash, The Buzzcocks and Sex Pistols at the forefront in the U.K. (Liam or Dameon, please correct me if I've got any of this wrong). So, sometimes less is more. As for the lyrics, if songs about love and relationships make people happy, more power to the band, but it's not relevant to a case towards their induction.

"Sadly, most music nowadays, although it is crap, has a lot better chance of getting in than Journey because people dont have good taste. Bands like Journey, Boston, Foreigner, CCR, etc., deserve more appreciation than the crappy music made these days." While I agree that there's a lot of crap around these days, plenty of great music has been made this decade, you just need to work harder to find it. However none of the 2000's artists are even eligible until 2025, so you can't say that any of them have a better chance than Journey (though the album Up The Bracket from The Libertines is better than anything I've heard from Journey.) Oh, and CCR's already in the Hall, and all those artists are being appreciated: With the exception of CCR all of them are still around (albeit playing much smaller venues), still making people happy, still getting classic rock radio play. Anything else you'd like?

Okay: Journey, Boston and Foreigner get plenty of play on my local classic rock radio stations. While I do hear some good songs (mostly from Boston), I mostly shrug and think, "Just another band." The idea is that to deserve induction you need to hit on at least one of the major categories: Innovation, Influence, and Impact. I'm not a hater (whatever that means), just someone who doesn't see anything major in any of the three, and therefore, Journey and their kin don't deserve induction, and most of the arguments in favor of Journey haven't been good. Finally: Don't ever ask why Journey's not in and Aerosmith, AC/DC, Van Halen and R.E.M. are. It's stupid, it's ignorant (anyone worthy of having a discussion with should know why all four of them deserve it) and no one on this site will take you seriously.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 02.8.10 @ 20:12pm


It seems to me that Journey is being punished by the Hall of Fame for achieving the kind of success that every band dreams of. Journey sparked a whole new type of rock and roll that in turn spawned several Journey-wanna-be bands. Even after 30 years, people young and old know their songs and love them. Maybe they did get too comercialized, but people could not get enough of them, so could you blame them for capitalizing on their fame?! If too much fame is a bad thing to the R&R Hall of Fame, maybe they should change their name... or just go away, because their standards are bogus and full of prejudice

Posted by Paula on Thursday, 02.11.10 @ 09:48am


"It seems to me that Journey is being punished by the Hall of Fame for achieving the kind of success that every band dreams of." Considering that there are many artists in the Hall who have found even more success I doubt that's true.

"Journey sparked a whole new type of rock and roll that in turn spawned several Journey-wanna-be bands." WHO? Who are these wannabes? What did they do or play that was new? The power ballads don't count, because the power ballads were around long before they were.

"Even after 30 years, people young and old know their songs and love them." You could say that about any artist.

"Maybe they did get too comercialized, but people could not get enough of them, so could you blame them for capitalizing on their fame?!" Well there is that issue of artistic integrity, but certainly I would grab the money if it was waiting for me.

"If too much fame is a bad thing to the R&R Hall of Fame, maybe they should change their name... or just go away, because their standards are bogus and full of prejudice" While I agree that the Hall has missed out on many deserving artists, Journey is definitely not one of them... I explained why.

Okay, I'm going to throw you lot a bone. No, Madonna wasn't innovative, but she spawned many imitators (Britney, Christina Aguilera, for example, so naturally I don't consider this a good thing.) I will also say that she's R'N'R in spirit, and while I have issues with her and Michael Jackson getting on while many more deserving artists were (and still are) waiting, she did kind of make a place for females on MTV; plus, Rock 'n' Roll is not exclusively guitar music. It is the bastard son of blues, R'N'B, pop, soul, and many other things thrown in. AC/DC weren't really innovative either, but they did give rock a kick in the ass, and they have a massive influence on rock, hard rock and metal. Ditto for Aerosmith, though "Dream On" is often cited as the first power ballad. If you still haven't figured out Van Halen and R.E.M. yet then you have my sympathies; I'll just say that whoever said that Journey has had as much, if not more, of an influence on the 80's as them, that's not even close to correct :)

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 02.11.10 @ 16:27pm


Anyone who criticizes Journey songs as pop or cheesy, it may only be because of the constant airplay they have gotten over 3 decades (= millions of fans and sales). But truly...take any Journey album and listen to the whole thing...then you will appreciate the range of their music and the contribution they have made to the misic industry.

Posted by Brad on Wednesday, 03.17.10 @ 12:59pm


Brad, agree with yor comment dude.

Posted by Telarock on Wednesday, 03.17.10 @ 16:36pm


I don't agree. The hits haven't given me any motivation to buy any of the studio albums, though I may try and check out the first three to see what they were like before they were radio-friendly (apparently there Schon had more room to shine.) Unless they broke new ground musically (which it doesn't appear they did), then how could their music have made any contributions to the industry? The three I's is what you have to answer. Innovation, Influence and Impact, though the first two hold more weight (citations with your arguments, please.)

Posted by Sam on Friday, 03.19.10 @ 20:39pm


I think Journey's influence is most apparent in Bon Jovi--guys who probably went to high school listening (like I did, at about the same time) to Rush, Van Halen, and yes, Journey.

But I think that Journey's most apparent credential lies in the kind of pop/rock that was popular in the early 1980s--corporate rock, for lack of a better term. Like it or not, this music (and I'm referring mostly to REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, Styx, Boston, Loverboy, and others too numerous to mention here) is a legitimate part of rock and roll history.

Of these "corporate rock" acts, Journey was arguably the best in terms of quality, mostly based on Perry's vocals--and undeniably one of the most popular. For that, I vote yes.

Posted by Joe on Saturday, 03.20.10 @ 09:13am


I'm going to give Brad Delp the slight edge for best singer, and I think Ann Wilson is a slightly better singer as well. Aerosmith laid down the prototype for the power ballad, and weren't REO Speedwagon called the kings of the power ballad in those days? I'd say Boston was the one who paved the way for that type of polished production, radio friendly pop-rock, as they were the first to break out, and Foreigner had big hits before Journey did, as did Styx ("Lady"). I cant really call anyone Year Zero for "corporate rock" as a) That term doesn't mean anything and b) None of those bands were really groundbreaking, so it's tough to say who paved the way for who. You could draw a line between Steve Perry and Jon Bon Jovi. There are many who deserve to get in first, but I'm going to be nice and not make a final judgement just yet. I won't lose sleep over it either way.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 03.21.10 @ 20:50pm


If you're talking about great rock vocalists, you can't leave Steve Marriott or Dan McCafferty off the list...Nazareth's version of "Love Hurts" was killer!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 03.21.10 @ 21:08pm


Yeah, Dan McCafferty's pretty underrated. That was a fantastic version of "Love Hurts". They could be soulful and they could rock!

Posted by Sam on Monday, 03.22.10 @ 17:13pm


"You can't deny their talent, influence and musicianship." Well I can't deny Perry and Schon's talent, but I can certainly deny their influence, probably because it's minimal.
"Their music has stood the test of time." Possibly.
"They are not in the Hall because they are lumped together with Toto, REO, Styx, Boston, etc. in an era where they were called 'Corporate.'" No, none of them are in the Hall because they don't meet the specified criteria.
"Today, we have gangsta rap, industrial metal and mumbling 3-chord garbage 'rock' that just doesn't stand up to real musicianship and fantastic songwriting (ie., the bands I mentioned)." Gangsta rap is crap for the most part, I agree. Industrial metal? If you're dissing Marilyn Manson, he's written some excellent songs. And three or four chords was the foundation of rock, Timmy.
"There are only a few good artists today; most are talentless, image-conscious "photo ops" that record execs see as current cash cows. Vote Journey into the Hall!" Tim cannot see that things are just fine in the music world because he finds it difficult to turn off his classic rock station. Yes, there are plenty of talentless acts around today, but turn off the radio and you'll find there ARE good artists around today. I swear, half the people around here don't really know what the real problems are with the Hall.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 03.30.10 @ 17:03pm


"Part of the criterion is influence, and we can all wonder where Jon Bon Jovi would be without Journey. A definite shoo-in!" - Joe

Well, since you only cited one example (which hasn't been confirmed), and they've gone without even being considered since 2000, you'd be wrong.

"Not a question. Journey should have been inducted years ago." - AsDfGhJkL

Why?

"Undisputed greatest band on Earth from 1981 to 1984" - AsDfGhJkL

Undisputed should only be said when there is absolutely no way to say the opposite; that does not apply to the above statement. Good band, certainly, but that statement is not correct in my opinion. Now, if someone said that Journey were "undisputably not the most innovative or influential band from 1981 to 1984" then that would be undisputably true.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 04.20.10 @ 20:41pm


Journey Sucks end of story the thats the reason there not in the hall of fame

Posted by jack on Thursday, 04.29.10 @ 18:58pm


I guess Neal Schon being a guitarist for Santana is not enough for the Rock Hall to induct Journey. Neil Schon was not inducted with Santana, but keyboardist Gregg Rolie of Journey, who was also a member of Santana was inducted with Santana. Percussionist Pete "Coke" Escovedo was also a member of both Santana and Journey. Not inducted.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 05.2.10 @ 13:42pm


Gregg Rollie was an original member of Santana. Schon only played on the third Santana album, and evidently in their eyes that wasn't enough for induction. Anyway, what does Santana have to do with it? You wouldn't give Robert Plant a second induction because he was in Led Zeppelin would you? The one thing keeping Journey in the discussion for me is the idea that they came up with the stadium rock video screens; I'm going to try and confirm whether they actually did or not. If they did, then we can start with a fresh discussion on whether they deserve it or not.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 05.2.10 @ 19:10pm


Journey represents the worst of 80's rock muzack.

Mindless and nonsensical lyrics like "Wheels in the sky keep turning, Don't know where I'll be tomorrow" and "She said, Anyway you want it, That's the way you need it" repeated over and over for 3 and one half torturous minutes. Add a few generic guitar licks and a couple of warbling and yodel-like “whooe.oh..e.ohhhs” and you have a Journey “hit”.

I suppose Steve Perry is a good singer if you enjoy listening to a cat in heat.

If you like this band, good for you. And the members of Journey are laughing all the way to bank, but the music they made is far from remarkable in any way, shape or form. Nothing more than record company “formula” band that filled the airwaves of “classic” rock stations with generic garbage and made the eighties the worst music decade ever and it’s not even close.

Posted by Mike on Friday, 05.21.10 @ 07:31am


Oh, f off Mike. Journey was not corporate rock. They toured their butts off for hitting the big time. Don't you know that Journey didn't start with Steve Perry, but was a jazz fusion quartet.

Do some research.

Posted by Tyler on Friday, 05.21.10 @ 09:33am


So because Apple Computer started in Steve Jobs' garage it isn't a corporation?

Chicago started out playing credible progressive type jazz fusion and they turned into AM radio staples. Also look at Heart.

You are judged by your entire body of work, not by what you did the first half hour.

I support Mike's post 100%.

Posted by prognosticator on Friday, 05.21.10 @ 10:29am


"Oh, f off Mike."

Truth hurts?

Journey was a nothing band who became famous by selling out and creating corporate schlock.

Posted by Jimbo on Friday, 05.21.10 @ 10:30am


"Today, we have gangsta rap, industrial metal and mumbling 3-chord garbage 'rock' that just doesn't stand up to real musicianship and fantastic songwriting (ie., the bands I mentioned)." - Tim

Damn it how could I forget about Nine Inch Nails? And Tim: Trent Reznor has more talent in one hand than Kevin Cronin does in his entire body.

"If you like this band, good for you. And the members of Journey are laughing all the way to bank, but the music they made is far from remarkable in any way, shape or form. Nothing more than record company 'formula' band that filled the airwaves of 'classic' rock stations with generic garbage and made the eighties the worst music decade ever and it’s not even close."

I'm not really a Journey fan, and I agree they weren't at all innovative.

"Oh, f off Mike. Journey was not corporate rock. They toured their butts off for hitting the big time. Don't you know that Journey didn't start with Steve Perry, but was a jazz fusion quartet.

Do some research." - Tyler

"I don't like the term "corporate rock" either, but where did he see they were corporate rock?

"You are judged by your entire body of work, not by what you did the first half hour." -prognosticator

I agree with that.

"Truth hurts?

Journey was a nothing band who became famous by selling out and creating corporate schlock." - Jimbo

It's posts like that which leave me feeling there's little hope for humanity. 200th comment, by the way.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 05.23.10 @ 20:49pm


"But, I will take Journey any day over bands like Posion, Winger, Motley Crue, etc." - Anonymous

Motley Crue, KISS, Quiet Riot and Ratt>Journey, and Poison are a lot more fun than Journey. And I hear Winger actually could play; certainly Reb Beach is a talented guitarist. That's not to say Schon and Rollie couldn't play, because they certainly could.

"Yes they are a great band. Or they were, anyway. These days, without Steve Perry, there doesn't seem to be much point." - Metalsmith

His hypocrisies have been exposed. Excellent.

"Top dogs in the arena rock movement" - Eddie

No they weren't. They were a decent band, but not the best arena band, and far from the most influential.

"Journey deserves to be in the RRHOF as they are an iconic band who perfected the power ballad." -loveodmusic59

Journey had massive success with the power ballad, but they didn't invent or perfect it. You might be able to trace the power ballad to the Beatles, you might've heard of them. If not there, then you could also look at (all preceding Journey):

-Led Zeppelin ("Babe I'm Gonna Leave You", "Your Time Is Gonna Come", "Thank You")
-The Rolling Stones ("Wild Horses", which I love, and "Angie", which I hate.)
-Aerosmith ("Dream On", in 1973, often considered the first power ballad or the prototype for the power ballad. Also "Seasons of Wither" in 1974, which I don't really like, and "You See Me Crying" from 1975, which I think is gorgeous.)
-The Guess Who ("These Eyes" from 1969)
-Styx ("Lady" in 1975)
-Queen ("Somebody to Love" in 1976, "You're My Best Friend" in 1975; love those.)
-Deep Purple ("Mistreated" in 1974; underrated.)
-Boston ("Hitch A Ride" in 1976)

All of this was before Journey broke out with Steve Perry. Either way, they cannot really be credited with perpetuating or inventing the power ballad. And I believe that during Journey's heyday REO Speedwagon were considered kings of the power ballad.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 05.29.10 @ 16:50pm


I'm in favor of their induction, but they're somewhat borderline. I figured I'd do a Keltner analysis and break things down:

1. Were Journey ever regarded as the best artist in rock? No, some delusion fanboy may have, but Journey are nowhere near the best, although VH1 recently ranked them #96 on their Greatest Artists of All Time list, if that means anything.

2. Were Journey ever the best artist in rock music in their genre? Classic rock? No. If you're referring to the arena rock explosion of the late 70s to early 80s, an argument could be made, although Bad Company and Heart were terrific bands. Boston and Styx had their moments of brillance as well.

3. Were Journey ever considered the best at their instruments? No, but Neil Schon is a respected guitarist who would probably be more respected if he hadn't been in such a critically disrespected band. Steve Perry was ranked in the mid-70s on Rolling Stone's Greatest Singers, a publication famous for hating on him. Randy Jackson said he considered Perry the 2nd greatest singer of all time, behind Robert Plant. (Jackson was an ex-bassist for Journey mind you so he may be biased, but my point still stands that Perry is somewhat respected.)

4. Did Journey have an impact on a number of other bands? The question everyone wants answered. Because their kind of music was considered "uncool", we haven't seen numerous bands cite them as an influence, so we can only speculate. Many later mainstream rock bands like Bon Jovi, Matchbox 20, Nickelback etc. often followed their formula of power ballads, anthems and hard rock songs to appeal to different audiences. All-Music also has Garth Brooks listed as a follower, but I'm not too sure about that.

5. Were Journey good enough that they could play after their prime? With Arnel Pineda, they seem to be doing well and their newest album wasn't actually half-bad, so I'd say yes.

6. Are Journey the very best artist in history not in the HOF? Of course not, but you could say that about alot of artists not in.

7. Are most bands with a comparable recording history + impact in the HOF? No, the hall has genrally ignored the arena rock era, the only band to have been considered is Bad Company.

8. Is there any evidence to suggest that Journey were any significantly better or worse than suggested by statistical records? No.

9. Are Journey the best artist in it's genre eligible for the HOF? Classic Rock? No. Arena Rock period of the late 70s/early 80s? I'd say so, but there are others who think Bad Company and Heart are better.

10. How many #1 singles/gold records did Journey have? Any Grammy wins or nominations? No #1's surprisingly. 6 muli-platinum records (Escape is probably Diamond by now since the last certification was in 1994) 2 platinum records. Nominated for a Grammy for "When You Love A Woman".
11. How many Grammy-level songs/albums did AIC have? For how long of a period did AIC dominate the music scene? Any Rolling Stone covers? Did most bands with this type of impact go to the HOF?. This is somewhat a personal taste thing, but some of the songs they did, like Don't Stop Believin, Open Arms, Stone In Love and Seperate Ways could be considered Grammy level, and Escape is an exceptional album and a benchmark of arena rock. From the 1981-1985 period they were undoubtedly one of the biggest bands in the United States and were one of the few arena rock bands to still do great in the new wave, early alternative and pop metal era. No Rolling Stone covers, as they detested them. I'm pretty sure bands with their size impact who weren't critically detested would have been at least nominated.

12. If Journey were the best band at a concert, would the concert rock? Yes.

13. What impact did Journey have on rock history? Were they responsible for any stylistic changes? Did they introduce any new equipment? Journey were the first band to use large video screens at concerts, so there is some innovation there. Their songs are still recognizable and despite being Johnny-come-latelys to the scene, are still seen as the definitive "arena rock" band. Open Arms helped set the standard for the 80s power ballad with the piano, soft build-up and huge chorus. And as I stated above, they started the path many mainstream rock groups would follow.

14. Did Journey uphold the standards of sportsmanship and character? No drug addictions or imfamous "rock and roll" stories, although their mid 90s reunion with Perry and his quiting the band made everyone in that situation look bad and like stuck-up assholes.

I know some will disagree, but they do seem to have merits which can not be ignored. I orginally was opposed to their induction, but have been persuaded by some of the arguments on here, as well as my own research. I say yes.

Posted by Jimbo on Friday, 09.3.10 @ 21:41pm


Sorry, for #12 I meant Journey, not AIC. I got the Keltner analysis off of Sam's post on AIC lol.

Posted by Jimbo on Friday, 09.3.10 @ 21:43pm


Well done Jimbo. As I think about it now I feel less cold about the idea of them being inducted.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 09.9.10 @ 12:12pm


Does Journey belong in the HOF?

Yes!

Why?

Success, relevance, concert power, talent, quality music, etc.

They were a successful headliner for a decade in their prime.

They never had a #1 song (did have a #2 - Open Arms) but did have #1 album (Escape - which has Open Arms, Don't Stop Believin', Who's Cryin' Now and some others).

Their hit Don't Stop Believin' is one of the top selling iTunes songs of all time...and iTunes didn't come out til 20+ years after the song was released.

The band is supremely talented. Neal Schon, who started with Santana, is one of the greatest guitar players in the history of rock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbJrfvMQupE). Gregg Rolie was their original keyboardist, who also is known as that killer organist on Santana's Evil Ways and Oyo Como Va, and was the vocalist on Black Magic Woman. Steve Smith (drummer) and Ross Valory (bass) are no slouches either. Add Jonathan Cain later, who played amazing piano/keyboard/rhythm guitar and was my idol growing up.

I know that many look down on the fact that Journey's music was labeled as "corporate rock" and sounds a lot like Styx & REO Speedwagon, but several of their songs are legendary (Don't Stop Believin', Any Way You Want It, Separate Ways, Open Arms, Faithfully) and many more are great listens.

I just hope TPTB see this someday...soon.

Posted by James on Wednesday, 09.22.10 @ 15:58pm


While it's truer that lots of acclaim isn't always necessary for induction (and Journey has not had a heckuva lot), the band still could be viewed as too lightweight (like Foreigner, possibly Bon Jovi, etc.) Popularity- especially the ever-popular "Don't Stop Believin" (boosted by use in various TV outlets)- isn't a reason for HOF induction.

Posted by JR on Wednesday, 09.22.10 @ 16:35pm


Some people in the Hall have had far less acclaim than Journey (I'm thinking The Hollies and The Dave Clark Five.) The difference there is that The Hollies had Little Steven campaigning for them every year, whilst Journey has no supporters close to the Hall (I do think Journey has contributed more to music than The Hollies to be honest.)

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 09.25.10 @ 12:00pm


KIT IS A GENIUS.

Posted by pete on Monday, 09.27.10 @ 22:25pm


Does Journey suck? Well I did see Journey with the Rolling Stones back in 1978. I saw Journey again back in 1979 with Ted Nugent, Aerosmith. Again I saw Journey with Black Sabbath, Cheap Trick and Molly Hatchet. Their musicianship,their guitar and drum solos were pretty tight.I thought: "their alright,good band"...forward to 1983: THEY SUCK! I got free tickets to the Los Angeles Forum August 1983 show and they were nothing like what I heard and seen before. Changed their sound, changed their look, horrible crappy ballads! I take it this all happened when Steve Perry thought he was Journey. He forced Gregg Rolie out of the band. Their sound was too Lionel Richie meets Culture Club for me...So yeah Journey does SUCK! And now they are just a TRIBUTE Band to themselves now that they have a Steve Perry sound-alike cone...pathetic!!!

Posted by cashman on Tuesday, 10.5.10 @ 09:40am


Journey along with Foreigner and Styx existed to sell records at the expense of any creativity.

Posted by EricP on Thursday, 10.7.10 @ 16:39pm


Journey

THE 2005 HOLLYWOOD WALK OF FAME
THE 2006 VOCAL GROUP HALL OF FAME

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11.14.10 @ 20:31pm


http://www.vocalgrouphalloffame.com/inductees/journey.html

THE 2006 VOCAL GROUP HALL OF FAME BIOGRAPHY FOR JOURNEY

During their initial 14 years of existence (1973-1987), Journey altered their musical approach and their personnel extensively while becoming a top touring and recording band. The only constant factor was guitarist Neal Schon (born February 27, 1954), a music prodigy who had been a member of Santana in 1971-1972. The original unit, which was named in a contest on KSAN-FM in San Francisco, featured Schon, bassist Ross Valory, drummer Prairie Prince (replaced by Aynsley Dunbar), and guitarist George Tickner (who left after the first album). Another former Santana member, keyboard player and singer Gregg Rolie, joined shortly afterward. This lineup recorded Journey (1975), the first of three moderate-selling jazz-rock albums given over largely to instrumentals. By 1977, however, the group decided it needed a strong vocalist/frontman and hired Steve Perry (born January 22, 1949). The results were immediately felt on the fourth album, Infinity (1978), which sold a million copies within a year. (By this time, Dunbar had been replaced by Steve Smith.) Evolution (1979) was similarly successful, as was Departure (after which Rolie was replaced by Jonathan Cain). Following a live album, Captured (1981), Journey released Escape, which broke them through to the top ranks of pop groups by scoring three Top Ten hit singles, all ballads highlighting Perry's smooth tenor: "Who's Crying Now," "Don't Stop Believin'," and "Open Arms." The album topped the charts and sold millions. Frontiers (1983), featuring the hit "Separate Ways," was another big success, after which Perry released a double-platinum solo album, Street Talk (1984). When the group got back together to make a new album, Valory and Smith were no longer in the lineup and Raised on Radio (1986) was made by Schon, Perry, and Cain, who added other musicians for a tour.

Following the tour, Journey disbanded. Perry went into a prolonged period of seclusion as Schon and Cain formed Bad English with vocalist John Waite. Bad English had several hit singles, including the chart-topper "When I See You Smile," before breaking up. Perry returned to recording in 1994, releasing For the Love of Strange Medicine. Although the album went gold, it was a commercial disappointment by previous standards. In 1996, Perry, Schon, Cain, Valory, and Smith staged a Journey reunion, releasing the million-selling Trial by Fire, which featured the gold-selling Top 20 single "When You Love a Woman," and going on tour. Perry and Smith opted out of the reunion after the tour, but Journey continued, hiring a new lead singer, Steve Augeri (formerly of Tall Stories), and a new drummer, Bad English's Deen Castronovo, who made their debuts on "Remember Me," a track on the 1998 Armageddon soundtrack. The band next reconvened in 2001. Arrival, Journey's 11th new studio album, was released in April, followed by a national tour. The band received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame on January 21, 2005. That same year they released a new album, Generations, and embarked on their 30th anniversary tour. Shows on the tour stretched over three hours long and were divided into two sets — one focusing on pre-Escape material, the other on post-Escape material. The archival release Live in Houston 1981: The Escape Tour appeared on both DVD and CD in 2006.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11.14.10 @ 20:36pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0DrvQGL6E0

THE 2005 HOLLYWOOD WALK OF FAME VIDEO

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.16.10 @ 19:05pm


Rolling Stone magazine likes Steve Perry's voice. Rolling Stone Magazine = Rock Hall. So why is Journey not in?

Posted by Qaz on Wednesday, 11.17.10 @ 16:19pm


That Vocal group Hall of Fame "Biography" is a copy of Journey's AllMusic bio.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 11.18.10 @ 10:02am


Yes, you are right. I just checked it. The Vocal Group Hall of Fame wrote their own biographies for other inductees though. I will have to read through the whole site to see if they did that to any other artists besides Journey.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11.18.10 @ 15:30pm


Journey has sold 75 million records world wide, has been Grammy nominated and their music has been used widely over the years, they seriously need to induct them soon, what are they waiting for, the sky to turn purple?

Posted by Domonique on Tuesday, 11.23.10 @ 00:51am


Also, Journey is a great band, stop hating on them ,their music will live, and how many bands had vocalist like Steve Perry? I don't mean screamers who annoy the heck out of everybody but singers, none, who writes power ballads like Open Arms and Faithfully, and Don't Stop Believin', not corny ones like Cryin' by Aerosmith and Every Rose Has its Thorn by Poison, what's wrong with the world. Journey is all American, hope, and an example of 80's music, I can't believe people don't want them inducted, they sold 75 MILLION RECORDS WORD WIDE, they happen to have done something right!

Posted by Domonique on Tuesday, 11.23.10 @ 00:56am


Journey will eventually be inducted because of their connections to Santana. Gregg Rolie will join the group of artists who have been inducted more than once into the Rock Hall. Journey is mentioned in the Santana biography at the Rock Hall.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.23.10 @ 05:00am


It sickens me how much Steve Augeri looks and sounds like Steve Perry. It makes Journey look like a joke for choosing him. Someone refresh memory and tell me why Journey and Steve Perry parted after their 1997 hit, When You Love A Woman.

Steve Augeri was a member of Tyketto (a Heavy Metal band who never charted) before replacing Steve Perry.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.23.10 @ 08:24am



"and an example of 80's music"

What do you mean by that? I know plenty of people who would say otherwise.

"Someone refresh memory and tell me why Journey and Steve Perry parted after their 1997 hit, When You Love A Woman."

While preparing for the physical demands of the comeback tour by hiking in... I don't remember where but it was somewhere tropical, Steve Perry began suffering a pain in his side while hiking up a mountain. It was discovered he needed some hip surgery of some sort, and he took a long time to decide whether to have it. Too long for Neal Schon, who lost patience and decided the band should move forward wihtout him. Watch the "Behind the Music" and you'll learn all about it.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 11.24.10 @ 12:13pm


Just found something interesting where Jim Vallance, who was writing partners for Bryan Adams during the 80s, stated they were very influenced by Journey's musical style, in particular the song Faithfully, when they were writing songs for Reckless. I thought they should've been inducted anyway, but theres some concrete evidence in case anyone was looking.

Posted by Jim on Monday, 12.20.10 @ 23:45pm


I am going to digress here, away from "SHOULD they be inducted" to "WILL they be inducted." Each induction class brings one (and usually only one) act that--though undoubtedly with merit, seems to be influenced by a thought of whether they will bring in people willing to part with $10,000 (or whatever it is) for a table to the induction ceremony. This year, it's Neil Diamond. The year before, it was the ABBA reunion that did not happen. Before that, Metallica. And of course, the year before THAT, Madonna.

As for that qualification, Journey would qualify...if and only if Steve Perry is somehow able and willing to rejoin. Him rejoining the band might almost be enough to push them over the limit for induction; without Perry, as several above have indicated, Journey is little more than a cover band.

Posted by Joe on Thursday, 02.3.11 @ 23:03pm


"It seems to me that Journey is being punished by the Hall of Fame for achieving the kind of success that every band dreams of."

Ya almost got it. The hall doesn't have any problem with commercial success, it has problems with commercial success that didnt go with at least a decent amount of critical acclaim. While their are exceptions (Billy Joel, Alice Cooper, Genesis), its the only way (excluding personal vendettas, more than a few which apply here) to explain the exclusions of artists like:

Hall & Oates
Heart
The Moody Blues
Chicago
Journey
Duran Duran
KISS (Got a nomination but it still might be awhile)
Deep Purple
Judas Priest
Def Leppard
Motley Crue
The Monkees
Yes
Cheap Trick
Rush

Then there's those artists who received quite a bit of commercial success and decent (compared to others) amount of critical acclaim, thus making them good compromise candidates, but are viewed as not important enough for either an induction or a quick one:

Depeche Mode
Joy Division/New Order
The Cure
The Doobie Brothers
Steve Miller Band
T. Rex (In the UK at least)
The Cars

And then there's the types of snubs that are the fault of the backwards voting committee, not the nominating one:

Beastie Boys (namely)
LL Cool J
MC5
Kraftwerk
Donna Summer
New York Dolls
Red Hot Chili Peppers

Those re your three types of snubs right there: The critically hated, open to compromise, and the voting comittees fault.

Posted by Jim on Monday, 02.7.11 @ 19:21pm


<<Rolling Stone magazine likes Steve Perry's voice. Rolling Stone Magazine = Rock Hall. So why is Journey not in?>>

Posted by Qaz on Wednesday, 11.17.10 @ 16:19pm

If you're referring to the "100 Greatest Singers" list about a year ago, it wasn't Rolling Stone Magazine that voted, it was a panel of independent voters (musicians, producers, various other music "experts", writers--only a few of which write for RS) that chose that list. If Journey still existed (in its earlier form and size) today, RS would most likely still hate them.

Posted by Joe on Monday, 02.7.11 @ 19:34pm


(from Jim, a few posts earlier under Journey):

<<Ya almost got it. The hall doesn't have any problem with commercial success, it has problems with commercial success that didnt go with at least a decent amount of critical acclaim. While their are exceptions (Billy Joel, Alice Cooper, Genesis), its the only way (excluding personal vendettas, more than a few which apply here) to explain the exclusions of artists like...>>

Interesting, Jim: From "The Book of Rock Lists" written by James Marsh, a R&RHOF voter (1994), there are three lists, of those "Critics' Pets: artists critics believe can do no wrong...

Arrested Development
The Beatles
James Brown
Butthole Surfers
The Clash
Elvis Costello
Cypress Hill
De La Soul
Peter Gabriel
The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy
Gang of Four
George Jones
Wynonna Judd
Jungle Brothers
The Kinks
KRS-One
Lyle Lovett
Nick Lowe
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Madonna
Biz Markie
Van Morrison
PM Dawn
The Pixies
The Posies
Public Enemy
Queen Latifah
Bonnie Raitt
R.E.M.
The Replacements
The Rolling Stones
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
Bruce Springsteen (ret.)
Takling Heads
U2
X
XTC
Yo La Tengo
Neil Young



Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 02.8.11 @ 17:51pm


Also (see above): "Sez Who? Bands and singers critics love to hate"...

Toto
2 Live Crew
Michael Bolton
Supertramp
Rush
Pink Floyd
Styx
Foreigner
Yes
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
The Grateful Dead
Led Zeppelin
Kiss
Aerosmith
Linda Ronstadt
THe Eagles
M.C.Hammer
Queen
Chicago
Genesis
Journey
Sting
Motley Crue
Too Short
Slick Rick
Kenny G
Billy Ray Cyrus
Duran Duran
Lenny Kravitz
Vanilla Ice
Madonna
Pat Benatar
Billy Idol
Kansas
Bee Gees
New Kids on the Block
Big Daddy Kane
Bobby Brown
Richard Marx
Marky Mark

Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 02.8.11 @ 17:55pm


And finally, "What about us? Musicmakers critics mistakenly ignore"...

AC/DC
Alabama
Jeff Beck
Bobby Bland
Cameo
Luther Campbell
The Crass
Rodney Crowell
D.J. Magic Mike
Bob Dylan
Earth, Wind and Fire
Everybody in gospel music
Everybody in Latin music except Ruben Blades
Janet Jackson
The Jesus and Mary Chain
Joan Jett
B.B. King
Kool and the Gang
Patty Loveless
Madonna
Maze featuring Frankie Beverly
Metallica
Midnight Oil
The O'Jays
Alexander O'Meal
K.T. Oslin
Professor Griff
Brenda Russell
Santana
Sir Mix-A-Lot
Social Distortion
Donna Summer
Sylvester
James Taylor (these days)
UB40
Luther Vandross
War
Kelly Willis
Stevie Wonder
Frank Zappa

I suppose Journey is not the only prominent act hated (or ignored) by the critics. I count 14 HOF members on the "loved" list, 9 on the "hated" list, (not including Sting, not inducted as a soloist) and 8 on the "ignored" list (not including Janet Jackson, same reason as Sting). Maybe the critics have too much HOF influence after all.

Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 02.8.11 @ 18:09pm


"T. Rex (In the UK at least)"

Eh? They're MORE revered in the UK. In the US they're a one-hit wonder; in the UK they were one of the biggest bands of the 70's.

"Gang of Four"

They did get tainted with the "sell-out" tag in the second half of their career, actually, when they got soft. I guess critics in the know quite rightly believe Entertainment! is flawless.

"The Jesus & Mary Chain"

Those must be critics who haven't heard of them. Critics who do know give them their props (not to defend Rolling Stone, but they did put Psychocandy on their 500 list). Also, from AMG: "Like The Velvet Underground, their most obvious influence, the chart success of The Jesus & Mary Chain was non-existent but their artistic impact was incalculable."

Other parts of those lists are equally brain dead. Who said that Metallica and AC/DC were ignored by critics? Oh, Dave Marsh knows everything (not), so he did. We can discuss specifics if you like.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 02.16.11 @ 09:53am


Sam (sorry I took so long to reply):

Someone (Jim) mentioned that Journey was being kept out of the Hall because of critical acclaim--or lack thereof--during their heydey. I happened to come across the Dave Marsh article, and thought it might be interesting--though I agree, not totally relevant to Journey. Journey, though, was dissed in their day. I never said I agreed with the article, I just thought it added to an interesting perspective.



Posted by Joe on Saturday, 03.19.11 @ 00:37am


Journey may be nominated (and perhaps inducted) this year for one reason--they're back in the spotlight, big time. ABBA was pretty much ignored until "Mamma Mia" hit broadway...and then inducted when it came to the movie screen. Journey has gradually been gaining in popularity, or at least airplay; about five years ago, "Don't Stop Believing" was featured on the last episode of "The Sopranos". Two years ago, it was the finale of one of the most memorable episodes (if there is such a thing) of "Glee". And now, that song is on Broadway, as the show-stopping finale of "Rock of Ages". ("Any Way You Want It", and SP's solo "Oh Sherrie" are also in the show) And that musical is about to be made into a movie. Heck, even Barry Manilow--among countless others--covered "Open Arms".

Fleetwood Mac was nominated four times before, but only got in after their reunion tour, which may not have hapened but for some unplanned publicity from then-President elect Clinton. Could unplanned publicity bring Journey in as well?

Posted by Joe on Saturday, 03.19.11 @ 00:46am


"I never said I agreed with the article, I just thought it added to an interesting perspective."

True. I think they may have a chance due to being back in the spotlight, but Fleetwood Mac was at least nominated. After a decade Journey has yet to be even discussed, so you'll probably need new people if you want to see them inducted. A committee that better understands the 80's and late 70's.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 03.19.11 @ 07:39am


A reunion with Perry would definitely increase their small chances IMO.

"A committee that better understands the 80's and late 70's."

The sad part about this line is that I can think of at least 50 more artists you can apply this statement to...shame on you Jann for not seeing the rich potential in late 70s/80s rock.

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 03.19.11 @ 13:47pm


Here are some of the best adjectives phrases to describe them: SUCKS, SUCKY, SUCKINESS, SUPER SUCKS, SUCKO,STINKY SUCKY, SO SUCKY THEY SUCK, SUPER ULTRA SUCKY STINKY SUCKERS, SADLY SUCKY.

Posted by joe on Saturday, 04.23.11 @ 18:57pm


I'm curious as to who joe's favorite band is, definitely.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 04.29.11 @ 14:14pm


Journey should be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. If they continue to be ignored, I will not take the RRHF seriously. Back in the late 70s and 80s they were accused of being too "coporate"...whatever that means. This is a travesty. I am confident they will be in the next few years. If they are, Steve Perry should be there front and center. No offense to the new guy, but no one, absolutely no one, sounds like Perry.

Posted by Terry on Friday, 05.13.11 @ 06:37am


journey unites three generations of stupid people

terrible band

Posted by anonymous on Thursday, 06.2.11 @ 18:49pm


Hmmm... someone makes unfounded generalizations and can't even sum up the balls to post their own name.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 06.8.11 @ 09:42am


Journey has a new album out!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 06.28.11 @ 23:09pm


If you like Journey,you probably voted for Sara Palin.Journey is music for dummies,and women with low IQ.The only musical "influence" they had on anyone else was other promoters who took this insipid model and duplicated it in the form of the Bon Jovis and Cinderellas,and piped it down your dumb little ears untill you bought it.The sad part is that you are willing to hand down your tradition of bland boring music to your spoiled little drape-apes.One hundred years from now musicians will remember true musicians who tested the boundaries of the musical scale and wrote lyrics with style.Journey will not be one of these bands.They will be remembered as a hair band.The Monkeys have twenty times more redeeming value and are better suited to the Rock Hall of fame.Bands like Yes,King Crimson,ELP,Zappa,Roxy Music,who challenge the listener, all stand a better chance of longevity.

Posted by davethecaveman on Wednesday, 07.13.11 @ 21:58pm


They made some decent songs, but that's about it.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 07.17.11 @ 09:17am


I've never been much of a Journey fan, but given their continued relevance and highly prolific songs, it's pretty ridiculous that they haven't even been nominated for induction. I mean, what criteria are they even using?

Posted by Mike on Friday, 07.29.11 @ 06:32am


The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees

Journey

01. Neal Schon (guitar)
02. Gregg Rolie (keyboards; vocals)
03. Ross Valory (bass)
04. Aynsley Dunbar (drums)
05. Steve Perry (vocals)
06. Jonathan Cain (keyboards)
07. Steve Smith (drums)

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 08.3.11 @ 22:01pm


The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees

Journey

01. Neal Schon (guitar)
02. Gregg Rolie (keyboards; vocals)
03. Ross Valory (bass)
04. Aynsley Dunbar (drums)
05. Steve Perry (vocals)
06. Steve Smith (drums)
07. Jonathan Cain (keyboards)

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 08.3.11 @ 22:43pm


Journey will eventually be inducted because of their connections to Santana. The Rock Hall eats that stuff up! Gregg Rolie will join the group of artists who have been inducted more than once into the Rock Hall. Neal Schon and Journey are mentioned in the Santana biography at the Rock Hall.

Quote:

At this juncture, the original six-man group was augmented by second guitarist Neal Schon (who later formed Journey with keyboardist Gregg Rolie) and percussionist Coke Escovedo.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 08.6.11 @ 20:55pm


The Rolling Stone Album Guide makes fun of Don't Stop Believin. Saying there is no such thing as South Detroit, and making fun of the line Streetlight People.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 08.17.11 @ 21:53pm


The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees

Journey: The Résumés

01. Neal Schon (Santana; Journey; Schon & Hammer, Hagar Schon Aaronson Shrieve; Bad English)

02. Gregg Rolie (Santana; Journey; The Storm)
03. Ross Valory (Journey; The Storm)
04. Aynsley Dunbar (Journey; Jefferson Starship; The Mothers of Invention; Flo and Eddie; Whitesnake)

05. Steve Perry (Journey)
06. Steve Smith (Focus; Steps Ahead; Journey; The Storm)
07. Jonathan Cain (The Babys; Journey; Bad English)

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.3.11 @ 17:35pm


The authority on music has arrived. When I was coming up it was Journey and Foreigner. Foreigner rocked harder with their first 3 albums while Journey was more known for ballads. Regardless, Journey was far too talented and sucessful to not get in. They had their share of rockers also. Stone in Love finally lets Schonn go, resulting in one of the greatest solos in rock history. Too often, when a singer and band can play like this, theyre labeled corporate or something similar. Isnt Nirvana and the Beastie Boys in? Come on ,talent has to count.

Posted by Eddie Dobzanski on Friday, 12.9.11 @ 20:45pm


Nirvana is not in. And how on earth do nirvana/beastie boys not have talent? Grohl is an great drummer and I'd like to see steve perry rao near as good as the beasties.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 12.10.11 @ 06:53am


Responding to GFW. Yes, Dave Grohl came from Nirvana. I like the Foo Fighters. But Journey was way more talented if you compare Perry to Cobain and Schonn to whomever. And the Beastie Boys were a rap group. You can never compare a rap group to a rock band that can sing and play, huge gap in talent.

Posted by Eddie Dobzanski on Wednesday, 12.21.11 @ 00:04am


Apples and oranges mate. Steve Perry can sing better than anyone from the beasties but they can rap better.
Kurt wrote better songs than perry or whoever writes the songs in Journey and Nirvanas work ended before it lapsed into mediocrity unlike Journey. Yes, Perry is a better singer than kurt but don't forget, instrumental talent isn't everything, It's like I said about Hendrix. There are technically better players who can hit more notes than he could per second, but his playing is better because it's got soul.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 12.21.11 @ 07:55am


Responding to GFW. Yes, Dave Grohl came from Nirvana. I like the Foo Fighters. But Journey was way more talented if you compare Perry to Cobain and Schonn to whomever. And the Beastie Boys were a rap group. You can never compare a rap group to a rock band that can sing and play, huge gap in talent.

Posted by Eddie Dobzanski on Wednesday, 12.21.11 @ 00:04am
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Key problem in all your arguments is you insist on pretending that these pop acts are rock bands.

The acts you mention are mostly pop groups. This makes sense, as most 80's acts were pop acts hiding behind a rock veneer. When genuine and superior rock acts from the 90's emerged to wipe away the pop-pretending-to-be-rock acts, those acts that were genuinely rock still had success. Hence, acts like Aerosmith, AC/DC, & Tom Petty continued to function alongside real rock acts like Nirvana, P. Jam, Alice, Soundgarden, etc., while pop groups like the ones you've mentioned disappeared.

Now don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong w/liking pop music. I have many of these acts at home myself. In addition, you're quite right in condemning rap. Yet in the end run, this is where your argument really lies. It wasn't the 90's rock artists that took away your world, but rather it was the hip-hop universe that did it in. Rap took over for pop, and this is where your greivances should be. It is Jay-Z & Beyonce you wish to attack, not the Pearl Jam's & the Stone Temple Pilot of the world. They were just rock bands being rock bands, & you seem interested more in pop than rock.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 12.21.11 @ 18:06pm


I'm not very keen on the whole pop/rock distinction. Define rock too broadly and you dilute its meaning. But define it too narrowly and it becomes nostalgia-driven and derivative, a self-parody. I always thought that grunge was a reaction to the frivolousness of hair metal. Compared to what was prevalent at the time it seemed much more substantial. But I don't think it ever compared well with the bands of the punk/post-punk era of the late 70s and early 80s. I have never been a Journey fan, seeing them as a heavier version of Air Supply, but I would include them under the rock umbrella. (Whether I think they should be inducted is another story). You don't want rock to become as stale as jazz, which is the logical result of defining it too restrictively, although that may have occurred already.

Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 12.21.11 @ 21:16pm


The Beastie Boys are a rap group. You cant compare a rap act to a rock band like Journey. Theres no musical talent or singing talent in rap. Kids in third grade can rhyme.

Posted by Eddie Dobzanski on Friday, 12.23.11 @ 01:45am


There is so much wrong with that last statement

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 12.23.11 @ 05:45am


Yeah, we've been needing a village idiot ever since Brittany Joe Green Day stopped gracing us with her wisdom. Eddie's been auditioning hard this week. I say he's hired.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 12.23.11 @ 06:01am


Eddie, are you suggesting kids in third grade can't have talent?

Journey was actually more of a pop group with a rock veneer, much like many acts around the same time going officially as rock (You'll pardon me for not expressing myself in the most erudite fashion here). These were the mainstream acts while the acts more in accordance with rock's origin were mostly denizens of the undie/indie scene during this time. It wasn't until the late 80's/early90's when rock would enter the mainstream again with grunge and Britpop and more recently the style that has been branded as post-punk revival. Rock acts who have remained true to rock's origins that are enjoying more mainstream success in recent years have been the White Stripes (up until they broke up, apparently) and the Black Keys among others.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 12.23.11 @ 06:09am


In addition, the Beastie Boys weren't strictly a rap act.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 12.23.11 @ 06:13am


"Theres no talent in rap"
HAHA, OH WOW.

Yeah, and being able to play guitar is such a rare talent! you are an idiot eddie, a 3rd grader can sing too.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 12.23.11 @ 08:37am


Where is the musical talent in a Rap act? Is it the guy scratching the record or the guy who plugs the drum machine in? I bet you guys still have a Vanilla Ice poster in your rooms.

Posted by Eddie Dobzanski on Tuesday, 12.27.11 @ 18:22pm


Ive always included Rap in my music collection. But if youre gonna compare a Rap group to a band that plays instruments and has a singer that can hit that many notes like Journey, then I have to agree with Eddie. The gap in talent is gigantic.

Posted by Bronson on Tuesday, 12.27.11 @ 18:39pm


To GFW. Pull your pants up and put that hat on straight. Ice ice baby.

Posted by Eddie Dobzanski on Tuesday, 12.27.11 @ 18:46pm


Hey, screw you, i'll debate rock v rap with no pants if I damn well please.

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 12.27.11 @ 18:51pm


Simply put, a true rock fan has it in their blood. If you like rap, rock aint in youre blood.

Posted by Warrior on Tuesday, 12.27.11 @ 22:11pm


Anybody have any popcorn?

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Wednesday, 12.28.11 @ 00:01am


Wow, this is the most ridiculous argument to spawn this week, but at least any argument for Steve Perry would be taking place on the correct page this time.

"Simply put, a true rock fan has it in their blood. If you like rap, rock aint in youre blood."

The ultimate dumb statement. Among the artists I listened to in the day were Young M.C. as well as Christian rap acts like E.T.W. and DC Talk. If you want evidence that rock and rap can blend together, and if you can look past the fact that it's Christian, listen to tracks from DC Talk like "Walls", "Time Is", "Luv Is A Verb", "The King (Alleluia)", and you will see that what Warrior said is absolutely retarded.

"Where is the musical talent in a Rap act? Is it the guy scratching the record or the guy who plugs the drum machine in? I bet you guys still have a Vanilla Ice poster in your rooms."
--Eddie

Not as stupid, but very myopic. First off, you purposely turned a blind eye to the whole art of cutting and threading and suggested that all that ever happens with records is the scratching effect. Second, as with any instrument, especially percussive, being able to control your fingers and hands to make the scratching fit inside the rhythmic structure of the track is part of the musical talent, like any playing of a percussion instrument.

Also, the actual ability to rap is a talent as well. I don't know why I even have to point this out. I'll give you four bases for my claim. One, and to use a broader stroke since it also applies to soul and doo-wop vocal groups, the ability to sing or rap, even if you don't play an instrument is still a musical talent. American Idol should have taught you that. The ability to verbally/vocally convey a message is a bona fide musical talent that people blithely dismiss and it needs to end promptly. Second, rapping must be a form of music because we have people like Ke$ha who actually manage to do it off-key. I didn't think it was possible to rap off-key either until I heard it done. But when you've heard it done wrong, you realize that when its done right, it IS a form of music and art. Three, the ability to rapidly deliver rap lyrics has been proven as a musical talent before rap was even invented. It goes back to Little Richard, who kept speeding up his vocal delivery just to make it more and more difficult for others like Pat Boone to cover him (and when you listen to some of his verses, his style of delivery has traces of the DNA of rhyme-bustin' too. Lastly, to actually write a decent rap within a solid rhythmic frame should also not be overlooked. When Ross Bagdasarian, Jr., whom you might recall as the '80's David Seville from Alvin And The Chipmunks, was planning a special to celebrate the Chipmunks' history in entertainment, he and his co-horts tried writing rap lyrics to show the Chipmunks in a more modern context, but even he admitted the lyrics and structure were terrible, and when Will Smith offered to fix it for them, it was a major boon to them.

Now, I don't stand against Journey getting into the Hall. I think they should be in, but your comments about rap not even taking talent, not being part of rock, or even not being a form of music is just absolutely ridiculous. Dig a little deeper into the facts.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12.28.11 @ 03:12am


Phillip got it better than I ever could.

Also, if having rock in your blood means you can't listen to anything else then I'm glad I don't.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 12.28.11 @ 10:08am


While I don't deny that it does take a certain level of talent to rhyme in such a manner, I'll be honest here - I'm actually on Eddie's side here, to a point.

While we'll never probably see eye to eye on everything rock, he's got a point regarding hip-hop not being connected to rock. Hip-Hop has been pop music for such a long time, it's impossible to remember if it ever was rock.

I'm well aware that some hip-hop certainly carried a rock spirit. Run D.M.C. fits the bill here, & I know Ice-T and Cypress Hill dabbled a bit in it. I know about the crossover end of the deal as well. Thing is, I can only think of two instances where rappers went so far as to engage a band-based style. Ice-T put together the group Body Count, & although they'd never make the cut, Rock Hall-wise, it IS a real group. The other case is The Roots, who are probably the only rap group that fits the bill on All acoounts. If they were ever inducted, I certainly wouldn't complain.

Leaving out rap-rock acts like Kid Rock (who works as legitimate rock, and tends to be semi-ignored by hip-hop), I couldn't give you anyone in the hip-hop community who truly Does deserve to be in a real Rock Hall - providing it was real.

The fact that they've opened up the door to pop, of course, pretty much leaves said door open for anybody...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 12.28.11 @ 11:37am


Oh well, they've inducted many different genres, no reason to exclude rap.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 12.28.11 @ 12:26pm


Cheese, what makes the Body Count or the Roots "real" groups but the Furious Five, the Soul Sonic Force, and the Beastie Boys NOT "real" groups? Is it instrument playing? If so, do you also object to Motown acts like the Supremes, the Four Tops, Martha And The Vandellas, the Temptations, and Gladys Knight And The Pips having been enshrined? Do you object to the O'Jays? Heck the Temptations were progentive for rap posses by helping pioneer the tag team style of vocal delivery that early rap groups were well-known for. Just listen to "Can't Get Next To You."

Admittedly, depending on what day it is and whom I'm debating, I can go either way on the rap question, but I want to know what you mean by "real groups", because the idea that only "RAWK BANNNNNDDSS!! WHOOOO!" should be inducted or even the only acts that should be called "rock" is so retarded, it has to ride an even-shorter-than-short bus.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12.28.11 @ 13:45pm


Michael Jackson didn't play the instruments on his albums, should he be banned from entering?

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 12.28.11 @ 14:09pm


What do I mean by "real" rock bands? What I mean by "real" rock bands is this:

The Garage = The Studio = The Stage

A band has a group of players. They come together & find a sound that works for them. They then take this sound into the studio (providing they are signed, naturally), where the SOUND REMAINS THE SAME, even with a producer on hand. The producer does not take over the recordings, but rather enhances the bands overall range of output. The sound of the band on the stage remains the same as well.

Do I believe that the sound of rock is a primarily instrumental one? Yes. Does it mean that great vocals are to be discounted? No. Providng they are a part of what came naturally in the bands instrumental mix, then o.k., I'm all for it. The Beach Boys (especially the early yrs. from 62-64) were a genuine rock band w/great vocals. CSN, when they added a drummer, became a rock band w/great vocals.

For years, I found myself listening to the radio (talking through the 80's, 90's, and 2000's to a point) instinctively knowing that certain bands had it over others. I was unable to put my feelings into words regarding why I felt this way. Several years ago, I purchased a book called "Rock & the Pop Narcotic", written by a gentleman named Joe Carducci. This gentleman managed to roughly encapsulate those reasons, & did so in a more coherent manner than I ever could. I do not agree w/the man completely on everything (if anything, he's even more of a hardliner than I'd ever be), but I do know that a great deal of what he wrote caught the gist of how I feel. I've tried to lay it out the best I can.

Would I remove some folks from the Hall if I had my chance? Most likely. At the same time, I have no ability to do so. Given the overwhelming inclusion of pop acts, there is no way to turn back the clock.

Put it this way: Would you all say Sinatra is responsible for the sound of the Big Bands themselves as a whole? If you cannot say so, then why would you think, therefore, that say, Mick Jagger is responsible for the sound of Keith Richards? And by this extension, are the Motown acts responsible for the sound behind them?

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 12.28.11 @ 16:28pm


So then everything The Beatles did from Revolver on isn't real rock & roll because the music couldn't have been recorded in a garage?

Posted by interviewer on Wednesday, 12.28.11 @ 16:58pm


Not necessarily. There is no way to stuff an orchestra in a garage, a'la "Sgt. Pepper". However, a great deal of what was recorded on the "White Album", could be done by any garage band, though obviously not as well. It is not beyond the technical limitations of someone at a lower level to reproduce it on their own.

In addition, it has to do w/how you approach the studio in general. If you're going to surrender what you came up with, so that the structure of the song sounds nothing like what got you signed in the first place, then you've gone pop, pretty much. For the most part, the Beatles never forgot that, since they were a legit rock act to start with. They may have gotten a little loopy round that time, but when push came to shove, they righted the musical compass. Most real rock acts can do just that when they choose to.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 12.28.11 @ 18:04pm


"Simply put, a true rock fan has it in their blood. If you like rap, rock aint in youre blood." - Warrior

So much wrong with that. For one thing, the Beastie Boys were just as much a rock band on Licensed To Ill and Check Your Head as they were a rap band. Second, you might recall that Aerosmith/Run D.M.C. collaboration. If you want to throw Aerosmith out of the Hall go for it; it's your credibility at stake, not mine. Third, you might want to know there is quite a list of respected rock bands who either like rap or are influenced by it/have incorporated elements of it into their music, even if it was a one-off for some and even if either I don't care for all of them. Blur, Anthrax, Happy Mondays, New Order, Faith No More, Rage Against The Machine, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Kid Rock, U2 (I am serious), The Verve. That's as many as I can think of but I might have forgotten some. Even ignoring the guys who like rap. Axl Rose is an N.W.A. fan (though they don't play instruments they and Public Enemy are still proper groups).

"Where is the musical talent in a Rap act? Is it the guy scratching the record or the guy who plugs the drum machine in? I bet you guys still have a Vanilla Ice poster in your rooms."

It does take talent to use a turntable... scratching and sampling are considered art-forms and have been for quite some time. I know I couldn't scratch and make it any good. I'd like to see you try it. I can't rap with any good flows either (I also can't make up rhymes or lyrics but that's besides the point).

"Yeah, we've been needing a village idiot ever since Brittany Joe Green Day stopped gracing us with her wisdom. Eddie's been auditioning hard this week. I say he's hired." - Darin

Seconded.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 12.28.11 @ 18:11pm


Paul weller said something to the effect of "I'd like to see the guys who say using samplers and drum machines isn't talent make decent music with them"

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 12.28.11 @ 18:16pm


Cheese, you're kind of avoiding the question. Do you think vocal groups like the classic Motown ones, the O'Jays, the Impressions, should never have been inducted? Are you saying that you SHOULDN'T be inducted unless you're slinging a guitar, mashing the keys, or packing the case?

Because if the answer to those is yes, I find the credibility in your argument severely weakened.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.29.11 @ 00:25am


"What do I mean by 'real' rock bands? What I mean by 'real' rock bands is this:

The Garage = The Studio = The Stage"

I think what Cheesecrop is trying to do here is to define what a rock band is, he's not necessarily saying non-rock bands aren't allowed in the Hall of Fame. Correct me if I missed your point, Cheesecrop.

A vocal group may not be a "rock band," but that doesn't mean they should be excluded from the Hall.

The main issue at play here is once again, in the naming. If the place were called The Popular Music Hall of Fame, nobody would have issues with any of the inductees (well, not the vast majority of them anyway).

"It does take talent to use a turntable... "

I agree, Sam.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 12.29.11 @ 05:23am


Do I believe that the classic vocal groups should've been inducted into the Hall? For historical accuracy, yes. Do I think that, in a real Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, they should be put in? No. I do not mean this as a slight against their talent, but rather as a means of defining a rock band, as in musicians.

Once again, I'll go back to the pre-rock era. Was Sinatra the actual SOUND of the big bands he played in front of? How about Crosby, or Dean Martin? Right now, we've literally taken over the Journey page, so ask yourself, is Steve Perry the sound of the whole band itself? Or do the Neal Schon's, the Gregg Rolie's, the Jonathan Cain's, etc., have more to do w/this?

The fact is, most African-American music has gradually moved towards pop as the decades have progressed. Once again, there's nothing wrong with pop. It's just that, if you're going to do a Rock Hall, then I'd find it hard to acknowledge these acts in a Rock Sense. The musicians in the documentary of a few yrs. back, "Standing in the Shadow of Motown", if you want to induct them, then go for it. Induct James Brown (who led a band), induct Booker T & the MG's, the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section, Hendrix, Sly, etc. You want to induct something from Motown? Induct the musicians, and then Note Who They Worked With. You want to induct Philly Soul? Induct TSOP, & then Note Who They Worked With.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 12.29.11 @ 06:37am


"Yeah, we've been needing a village idiot ever since Brittany Joe Green Day stopped gracing us with her wisdom. Eddie's been auditioning hard this week. I say he's hired."

No offense, guys, but there's no need to call Eddie the Village Idiot here. The man's just expressing an opinion. Besides, we all know I've been trying out for this position for yrs. now, & I can't take another guy trying to cut into my territory. (although I love that Brittany Joe Green Day tag!).

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 12.29.11 @ 06:46am


Honestly, I think the the title of "Village idiot" should go to someone on the "most comments" list off of this site's voting statistics:

"Most Comments

1. Tahvo Parvianen 2568
2. Roy 2585
3. Sam 2595
4. Gitarzan 2460
5. Gassman 2266
6. Philip 1958
7. GFW 1769
8. liam 2517
9. Cheesecrop 1433
10. mrxyz 1507"

Now, out of all the lists compiled on this site's voting statistics page, the "Most Comments" section is by far the most bizarre. I mean, according to it, I have the most comments on this site at present. HOWEVER, in terms of total # of comments, I have less comments than Sam and Roy, so how is it possible for me to be in first place when Sam and Roy have commented here more?

Also, why is liam in 8th spot when he has more comments than #4 through #7? And why does it say Cheesecrop has more comments than mrxyz? Since when is 1433 a higher number than 1507? Is this measured on quality of comments or something? (I know mrxyz for example tends to repeat himself a lot in his comments)

Really perverse, if someone could explain this to me I'd be ecstatic since right now I'm completely perplexed.

Also, I'm aware of the irony of me posting this will increase my number of comments to 2569 thus rendering the statistics in this post outdated by one post.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 12.29.11 @ 07:28am


Cheese, you're the Contrarian-in-Chief. You can't be that and the village idiot at the same time. Spread the wealth my friend.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 12.29.11 @ 07:58am


And yes, Tahvo, the true village idiot is exceptionally high on that list. Easy stats to gain when you repost your only three thoughts 1000+ times each, apparently.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 12.29.11 @ 08:04am


What do I mean by "real" rock bands? What I mean by "real" rock bands is this:
The Garage = The Studio = The Stage
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I wonder how any of the Eno produced Talking Head's albums would fare under this definition?

Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 12.29.11 @ 14:14pm


I'd be honoured to wear the village idiot badge if you need someone.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 12.29.11 @ 14:37pm


Cheese, I think that's incredibly disappointing that you think a "real Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame" belongs only to the "rock bands". Without the singer to convey the message, folk is just pleasant instrumentalism, political protest songs aren't political protest, and something truly great is missing. A powerful voice is indeed just as much of a rock instrument as a Stratocaster guitar.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.29.11 @ 19:34pm


Cheese, I think that's incredibly disappointing that you think a "real Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame" belongs only to the "rock bands". Without the singer to convey the message, folk is just pleasant instrumentalism, political protest songs aren't political protest, and something truly great is missing. A powerful voice is indeed just as much of a rock instrument as a Stratocaster guitar.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.29.11 @ 19:34pm
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I agree w/you that a powerful voice can be very effective. I have no issue w/that at all. Thing is, voices are not always a 100% necessity for rock. Think about the Link Wray's, the Dick Dale's, the Johnny & the Hurricanes & Ventures & so on & so on. Jeff Beck has done plenty of instrumentals that work as rock.

I do appreciate Elvis, Little Richard, Jim Morrison, John Fogerty, Grace Slick, etc. I think they all had naturally good voices. In addition, there are many voices that don't fit the conventional singer mode, but in rock they are tremendous. Robert Plant, Axl Rose, and Chris Cornell could drive some people up the wall, but w/in rock standards they fit just fine.

All those people, and many more, fit w/in the sound that a band created. It's just that it can also be done w/out vocals as well.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 12.30.11 @ 19:15pm


The problem with your argument is, one, that no one single instrument is required for rock'n'roll. Guitar can be switched out piano or saxophone, both of which can also replace bass. Drums can be done without altogether, with the rhythm being maintained by a bass and/or backup vocals. Look at all the classic doo-wop records. While none of them were done truly acappella (except for maybe Jan & Dean's "Baby Talk," been too long since I've listened to that), they all probably could have been for the most part. The classic low-pitched intro for "In The Still Of The Nite" could have been done by bass vocals. Or "Earth Angel", or "Only You". Think of the concept of street corner doo-wop groups, honing their group sound before any instruments ever got added. You're telling me, they're not "rock'n'roll" and therefore could never REALLY deserve an induction? That's nonsense.

The point is a vocal group is just as much "rock'n'roll" as is any band. It doesn't hinge entirely on the band concept.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 12.30.11 @ 23:25pm


Two, forgot to mention this in my last post, but a lot post-production gets done by engineers that make the records you know and love sound like the records you love and remember, too. And a lot of the use(d) pre-set hitpoints in their concerts for those production effect to be fed from backstage, behind the scenes, into the output for the audience to hear so it sounds more like the record. The band isn't always 100% responsible for a band's sound either.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 12.30.11 @ 23:28pm


Rock & Roll is such a lame term to describe so many different kinds of music. Does Tori Amos sound anything like Kayne West? Do The Police sound anything like ELO? Yet they're all supposed to be Rock & Roll. Rock & Roll was just a name created by someone trying to market something to kids. In 2011 it no longer gets the job done. Stop using that term and just describe whatever the music really is. If its hard stuff just call it metal, if its acoustic then call it country or folk. If its dance music then call it R&B, if its synth based then call it electronic. Forget rock and roll, its so yesterday of a phrase.

Posted by Arrow Man on Saturday, 12.31.11 @ 01:17am


I agree with Arrow Man. Rock & Roll does not mean every act since 1954 that's appeared. I think the only reason they named the rock and roll hall of fame that is because they were putting more emphasis on rock but still including all genres.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 12.31.11 @ 07:42am


From this whole discussion I'm more convinced then ever that "Grunge" was a creative low point that effectively killed rock and roll. It replaced creativity and innovation with a fake notion of authenticity, that "authentic" rock and roll bands play only certain instruments and only certain music styles and don't experiment, that they approach music with an straightlaced, orthodox attitude.

The difference between grunge and punk is fundamental. Punk started with three chord amateurism not because this was ever the goal but rather the means. The first wave punk bands were INSPIRED amateurs and they were willing to place artistic inspiration above techinical skill. But as their competence grew, so did the scope and experimentalism of their music. The Talking Heads, the Clash, Blondie, John Lydon from the Pisols to PIL, even Television from their initial raw recordings to Marquee Moon evolved and progressed. The only one that didn't was the Ramones and even that was only comparatively speaking when you listen to End of the Century.

With Grunge the bands seemingly adopted the initial back to basics approach and oppositional attitude of the initial punk bands but without the same artistic inspiration and willingness to grow. And frankly none of the main grunge acts ever went beyond their initial sound because in the place of inspiration they were trafficking in a cult of authenticity, that by being creatively restrictive they would be "real." Maybe Nirvana would have progressed, maybe not. But what you have with Grunge is a nostalgia movement bereft of the experimentalism seen in punk era albums like Remain in the Light or Sandinista! or Metal Box, that looked back and never concurrently embraced anything new. Yet that perversely became the conventional byword for "real" rock and roll. If "real" rock and roll is only backward looking, derivative, solemn and stale than it is hardly to be wondered that we are now in a post-rock era.

Posted by astrodog on Saturday, 12.31.11 @ 15:05pm


Arrow Man's actually pretty spot on, but the issue that we keep coming back to is: if it's a Popular Music Hall Of Fame, then where do we justify the omissions of one-time pop music juggernauts like Pat Boone, Barbara Streisand, and how will we justify keeping Celine Dion out, but go for acts that barely dented the album charts, and never had a pop hit, like the Velvet Underground, or Tom Waits, or Leonard Cohen? Why even have an Early Influence category at all then, since popular music predates rock 'n' roll, or even the recording industry itself? There's gotta be something more to that definition. Another reason I would love to see DC Talk get in one day is because their music, at least their influences, were of rap, rock, and soul. Now, doesn't that paint a pretty accurate picture of what goes on and in? It's a rhythmic thing. And rap, rock, and soul, all have their fundamental roots in similar rhythmic structures.

I think if there was a fitting name to give, I might say "Post-American-Vietnam War Rhythmic Music Hall Of Fame." Is it perfect? No, but it gives a better indication of what we put under the umbrella of the "Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame."

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.31.11 @ 15:06pm


From this whole discussion I'm more convinced then ever that "Grunge" was a creative low point that effectively killed rock and roll. It replaced creativity and innovation with a fake notion of authenticity, that "authentic" rock and roll bands play only certain instruments and only certain music styles and don't experiment, that they approach music with an straightlaced, orthodox attitude.

The difference between grunge and punk is fundamental.

etc., etc. (shortened for brevity & space)

Posted by astrodog on Saturday, 12.31.11 @ 15:05pm
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Astro, if anything I see it in compeletely opposite terms. The period between 1991 & 1997 (roughly) repreents one of the greatest genuine highpoints in rock history. Our hitting a low point has to do w/factors well beyond what "grunge" was.

One thing you've failed to take into account is the actual history of rock itself, AS EXPERIENCED BY THE MUSICIANS, FANS, ETC. As near as I can figure it, the musicians of the 2nd half of the 1970's did not have possession of a wormhole machine that could launch them into the future. Their reaction was distinctly to rock from 1954-1975. If anything, the punks of the late 70's strike me as being far more limited than the alt-rockers of the 90's. There's no way a 70's act could've handled Nirvana's acceptance of the Beatles & the Monkees (remember who got booted out of the Sex Pistols, & what for?). How could any 70's punk, fighting the fight against early 70's rock, accept Alice In Chains mixture of Black Sabbath & a bit of Crosby, Stills, & Nash? If anything, the 90's band didn't fear pre-1975 rock music in the manner that 70's punks did.

In addition, there WAS plenty of growth w/in the sound of 90's acts. Listen to the sound of Pearl Jam's "Ten", & then listen to the Middle Eastern Influences on "No Code" in 96. Listen to STP on "Core", and then listen to the jazz elements on their 3rd album, the "Tiny Music" album in 1996. Listen to Alice go from "Man in the Box" back in 90, to 94's "No Excuses", w/a latin beat & some harmonies.

How about Collective Soul's "December" in 95? Folk rock guitar, Latin background, and strings, all together? The Smashing Pumpkins went full orchestral on "Tonight Tonight", from that same year. Compare it to "Siamese Dream", or "Gish". Unless you think that one form of progress (moving from 3 chords to synthesizers) is more valuable than another (moving from 3 chords to experimenting w/Jazz, Latin, & Middle Eastern arrangements), I'm not sure just what your saying.

Grunge, or Alt-Rock, didn't cause any of what we have today. You need only listen to realize how FAR the 90's really are from today. You can number Clear Channel, late 90's MTV (pre-reality division), & the search for safe, producer friendly acts as accounting for the era of now. If anything, the 2000's were a throwback to the 80's, but w/only the bad stuff played up. Full-blown pop, a fear of rock brought on by the independence of those 90's acts, & a willingness to sell product, & nothing but product caused what we've got today.

Plus, as many others besides myself on this site have pointed out, there IS rock out there now. Maybe you're living in a "post-rock" era, but this can easily be seen as something of you're own choice. If this is the case, then don't go blaming something from the past for this (especially something that had nothing to do w/it).

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 12.31.11 @ 17:20pm


Cheesecrop-I think your characterization of 70s punk bands is far too limited.. The Ramones for example always identified with bands like Hermans Hermits and the Bay City Rollers. The idea that those bands could not handle liking the Beatles or the Monkees is not accurate. The Stones, the Beatles, the Who, Phil Spector, Bowie, T. Rex, et al were always mentioned as influnces. And even John Lydon liked the Rollers.
All the things you mentioned-jazz, latin beats, orchestration-were experimented with by those 70s bands. Some of the bands you mention are not grunge bands (Collective Soul, Smashing Pumkins). And the level of experimentation was minimal going by your description. Again, where is the 1991-97 equivalent to Remain in the Light or Metal Box or Sandinista? Heck, where was the equivalent to a band like Tuxedomoon? And yes, part of the restrictiveness of early 90s "alt" bands was that they did not experiment with sound and production. I grew up with Nirvana and Pearl Jam, but point to something like the Talking Heads or Roxy Music or PIL among those bands. But if "real" rock is garage rock and if that definition stems from your formulative experience with the early 90s scene, then we know the answer in advance.

Yes, it is post-rock for me and most of the rest of the world. There are always bands supposedly "out there". But out of sight and sound, out of mind. There are many factors for rock being at such a low ebb, but the popular definition of rock as nostalgia plays a definite roll.

Posted by astrodog on Saturday, 12.31.11 @ 18:52pm


"I think if there was a fitting name to give, I might say 'Post-American-Vietnam War Rhythmic Music Hall Of Fame.' Is it perfect? No, but it gives a better indication of what we put under the umbrella of the 'Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.'"--me

Sorry folks, this should say, "Post-American-KOREAN War Rhythmic Music Hall Of Fame". Korean, not Vietnam. BIG difference.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.31.11 @ 18:53pm


All the things you mentioned-jazz, latin beats, orchestration-were experimented with by those 70s bands. Some of the bands you mention are not grunge bands (Collective Soul, Smashing Pumkins). And the level of experimentation was minimal going by your description. Again, where is the 1991-97 equivalent to Remain in the Light or Metal Box or Sandinista? Heck, where was the equivalent to a band like Tuxedomoon? And yes, part of the restrictiveness of early 90s "alt" bands was that they did not experiment with sound and production. I grew up with Nirvana and Pearl Jam, but point to something like the Talking Heads or Roxy Music or PIL among those bands. But if "real" rock is garage rock and if that definition stems from your formulative experience with the early 90s scene, then we know the answer in advance.

Yes, it is post-rock for me and most of the rest of the world. There are always bands supposedly "out there". But out of sight and sound, out of mind. There are many factors for rock being at such a low ebb, but the popular definition of rock as nostalgia plays a definite roll.


Posted by astrodog on Saturday, 12.31.11 @ 18:52pm
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Astro - Once again, like Eddie on the pop-metal pages he's been visiting, you are making the same mistake of throwing pop up in place of rock, pretending that pop is rock, and then complaining that rock doesn't work for you.

Once again, liking pop is not a bad thing. I like Talking Heads & the Clash as well. However, by the time these bands reached the albums you mentioned, they were openly transfering out of rock & towards pop. Listen to "Psycho Killer", and then something from "Remain In Light". Go listen to "Garageland", & listen to anything from "London's Calling" onward. By the time the Clash reach "Rock the Casbah", they are tailoring the sound for the radio.

My argument w/Eddie was not about the bands so much as his insistence that these bands somehow represented genuine article rock. There wasn't a day on this earth that Pearl Jam couldn't blow all of those acts off the stage, rock-wise (though now even thery're making concessions to pop). By the same token, there wasn't a day that "Psycho Killer" era Talking Heads couldn't do the same thing. It's not about era's, it's about the music - IN ANY ERA.

Look, I'll make it as easy as I can think of. Take a test. It's easy to do, since there are approx. 50 to 75 million people each weekend who can assist you in this. Go into a club where there's live music. Get there before the band's start, stake out a place at the stage, and wiat for the drummer (or if the band's got a few bucks, a roadie) takes a few practice hits on the drum. I can guarantee you the sound will not be that of "Remain In Light", or "Metal Box" or whatever.

Go home & listen to an old ROCK record. Listen to Mitch Mitchell w/Hendrix. Listen to Ginger Baker. Bonham, Bill Ward, whoever floats your boat. Then listen to those albums you mention. Then listen to Dave Grohl w/Nirvana. Listen to Abbrussezze w/Pearl Jam. Listen to Matt Cameron w/Soundgarden. Ask yourself which are closer to the old records of the past? Which one's sound like synth drums, & which sound like they were made by the genuine article?

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 01.1.12 @ 16:43pm


If the moment bands like the Talking Heads, the Clash, PIL, etc. became experimental marked the moment when these bands began to transition towards pop and away from rock, what does that say about rock? (What about Pere Ubu's The Modern Dance with all its produced distortion?) Such a narrow definition takes away anything new or innovative about the music. In that case pop sounds a lot more interesting. If the only "real" rock is old rock then the music is permanently fossilized. I find no value nor any historic validity in trying to distinguish between "geniune" rock acts and others. Unless rock is stuck in its formative era then it can incorporate both the Soundgardens and Cures of the world. If not rock will go the way of jazz while the rest of the world moves on to something more cutting edge and diverse.
Anyway, Happy New Year.

Posted by astrodog on Monday, 01.2.12 @ 13:40pm


If the moment bands like the Talking Heads, the Clash, PIL, etc. became experimental marked the moment when these bands began to transition towards pop and away from rock, what does that say about rock?

Posted by astrodog on Monday, 01.2.12 @ 13:40pm
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You got me wrong here, Astro. Who said rock couldn't be experimental? Rock has experimented w/diff. styles & influences for years.

It's not my fault that these bands moved toward a more pop-friendly sound. I don't belong to any of these bands, & I've no say in how they chose to run their operations. Anybody can look progressive moving from rock to pop. It's just not a ROCK progression.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 01.2.12 @ 16:29pm


How on earth did PiL become more of a pop band when they made Metal box? Have you listened to albatross?

Posted by GFW on Monday, 01.2.12 @ 17:23pm


The new Journey, without Steve Perry is painfull to listen to and even more painful to watch.

Posted by Joe Huelsman on Monday, 01.2.12 @ 21:55pm


I must have missed something. Is there any reason that most of the recent comments about individual artists have at least one word mistyepd?

Posted by Joe on Saturday, 01.7.12 @ 12:34pm


Remember the good old days when Don't Stop Believin wasn't tired, boring and overplayed? Yeha, me neither.

Posted by Phil on Friday, 01.13.12 @ 10:35am


"From this whole discussion I'm more convinced then ever that "Grunge" was a creative low point that effectively killed rock and roll. It replaced creativity and innovation with a fake notion of authenticity, that "authentic" rock and roll bands play only certain instruments and only certain music styles and don't experiment, that they approach music with an straightlaced, orthodox attitude."

"Grunge" was a useless and meaningless term, and none of the bands involved actually used it. Alice In Chains and Soundgarden were great Alternative-Metal bands, Pearl Jam were classic rock revivalists and Nirvana were only briefly on that bandwagon, before they found their own niche and sound with Nevermind. I agree with what you say but these bands were creative individuals who made conscious efforts to innovate; blame can be placed on their conservative descendants, if anything.

Since you think that way, I must pass this along. Although I disagree with some bits of it I think you might find it interesting: http://www.collapseboard.com/features/columns/death-rattle-the-stone-roses-primal-scream-oasis-and-the-travesty-of-british-alternative-rock-in-the-90s/

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 01.14.12 @ 19:06pm


I definitely agree that terms like Grunge or Punk or Post-punk are just media created terms. But theses terms, as imprecise as they are, do reflect an effort to describe an actual wave or movement. I think part of the fault I described regarding "grunge" lies in how the music press interpreted these events and the lessons that were derived from it. There definitely was a revivalist attitude in the music press, and with this came limiting notions of "real" or classic rock and roll that definitely affected how the music press promoted and championed certain acts over others. But I also find fault with the bands themselves, with their (in my view) limited creative outlook and with buying into the idea of their own authenticity. (Eg, Pearl Jam, aka the unelected conscience of rock). There was definitely a reactionary element to these bands and what they were perceived as representing. In that sense the conservatism of grunge's descendants was something these descendants were easily able to glean from these earlier acts. The grunge era acts just seemed to lack the progressive musical attitude of many of their punk era predecessors.
Anyway, the article you cited was interesting as it talks about the same exact phenomenon happening in the British music scene of the 90s and the same buyer's remorse. There is certainly something valid in this critique that keeps cropping up. This passage from the article nicely summarizes the point:

"The success of The Stone Roses and what happened immediately afterwards represent the moment when both the British alternative music press and the British alternative music fan lost their nerve and lost faith in pop music’s ability to reshape itself amid changing times (the emergence of Uncle Tupelo in America represents a similar moment for US alternative music, with the difference being that I cannot stand Uncle Tupelo). They rallied to the classic rock flag and in doing so helped destroy the forward momentum of alternative music, along with its allegiance to the most radical musical innovations, and made the 90s a decade in which almost all of the headlines were grabbed by acts whose albums are not even worth dusting off anymore. That’s assuming most of you haven’t sold them already.
Punk, for all its faults, drew a line in the sand, making people move forward while Britpop was a delusional gateway to a distant past."


Whatever the cause, where rock was once at the center of musical innovation and edginess, this mantle is now carried by "pop" acts and rock acts are increasingly seen as passe. Pop performers are now considered more cutting edge and more modern than rock performers. I certainly think the 90s "authentic" rock revival and the purging of supposed "pop" elements played a central role in this occurrence. Today is there anything more cookie-cutter and predictable than "alternative" rock?

Posted by astrodog on Sunday, 01.15.12 @ 02:22am


Whatever the cause, where rock was once at the center of musical innovation and edginess, this mantle is now carried by "pop" acts and rock acts are increasingly seen as passe. Pop performers are now considered more cutting edge and more modern than rock performers. I certainly think the 90s "authentic" rock revival and the purging of supposed "pop" elements played a central role in this occurrence. Today is there anything more cookie-cutter and predictable than "alternative" rock?


Posted by astrodog on Sunday, 01.15.12 @ 02:22am
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Are you going to start this again? AGAIN?

We've been through it already. I noted elements of grunge that you claimed didn't exist. I noted how the original punks wouldn't have incorporated certain elements of rock, circa 65-75, into their sound. You in return pretended that they would've incorporated these things into their sound, & in doing so you completely took away the entire reason for punks original existence, i.e. a reactionary (there's that word again) stance against modern rock of the 70's. The fact is, most 90's alternative bands claimed many, many diff. influences. The fact that you continually deny this doesn't mean these influences didn't exist.

In addition, you argue that rock lost some sort of "cutting edge" status when pop was thrown out of the mix. However, you have left out a very vital component in the effort to push pop over rock. This is the de-regulation of the radio industry & the rise of Clear Channel (amongst others). The orig. alt-rock era ended partially due to the rise of a new crop of teen idols & a crowd that hadn't had this experience before. However, you fail to note that this coincided w/the rise of Clear Channel, which also had an effect. When radio became a full corporate conglomerate, it wasn't about to put itself in the hands of a bunch of grungy rockers. It wanted easy artists & easy profit.

If pop has been pushed as cutting edge, it's because it's been PUSHED as cutting edge. As I noted (& you denied) earlier, there is modern rock out there. I cannot say whether you will find it to be "cutting edge, but it is certainly not generic. Also, you're in luck. It just so happens that on the Song Project page, I posted a list of somewhat obscure rock, including some 2000's + modern rock. Why don't you look them up on your own? They may not suit you as cutting edge, but you'll be suprised to hear they each DO in fact have a diff. sound.

Your take on whether they are cutting edge is a personal thing. However, I will say that if you're grousing about this regarding modern music, and you're trying to pin it on musicians who did their best work some 15-20 yrs. ago, it strikes me as something of a partial cop out.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 01.15.12 @ 16:25pm


Cheesecrop-I really wasn't addressing you, although you did kind of lose credibility when you said that Metal Box was a pop album. :) Anyway (1) your view of the punk era bands is way to limited (bands like the Talking Heads, the Clash, Blondie, PIL, Joy Division, etc. were definitely not reactionary); (2) I think the Clear Channel explanation is doubtful and even moreso that it caused the same phenomenon on both sides of the Atlantic; (3) the 90s "alt" bands seem comparatively uncreative; for all their supposed vaunted influences you still can't point to albums anaologous to those made in the punk era like Remain in Light, etc., which you dismissed as "pop"; (4) can't say I've been in the least impressed with all the hidden rock bands you cite, and virtually no one else has either. Anyway, someone cited an article and I responded. I'm clearly not the only one who thiks the 90s were a reactionary low point. I came of age during that same period and looking back I think it sucked.

Posted by astrodog on Sunday, 01.15.12 @ 21:21pm


Cheesecrop-I really wasn't addressing you, although you did kind of lose credibility when you said that Metal Box was a pop album. :) Anyway ...

etc., etc.

Posted by astrodog on Sunday, 01.15.12 @ 21:21pm
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Yeah, I know.

Astro, I have to admit something to you... I haven't even believed some of the stuff I've been writing for nearly the past month. In all honesty, I've kind of been putting you on, at least a little bit. Let me explain.

In an earlier post, I briefly mentioned a gentleman named Joe Carducci, and a book entitled "Rock and the Pop Narcotic". I purchased this book seven years ago, read it several times, then forgot about it so much I thought I lost it. I re-discovered it a few months ago, read it again, & then I wondered how Carducci's hardline logic would play out on this board. So I turned around and adopted it for my own.

When we got into the argument over pop-metal, I saw a way to introduce it. Even as I was harping on this, I was looking at 80's metal albums I own :) Even as I tried to put down doo-wop & Motown, I was looking at my "Best of the Flamingos" compilation :) Normally I average a ratio of about 5:1 in regards to the amount of dumb jokes vs intelligent comments I leave here, but I had to find out if I could remotely pretend to be a hardcase on this site.

I didn't realize you would jump in, as whenever I saw your prior comments, they all seemed to be on pages from the 60's & 70's, & I didn't think you cared one way or another about hair metal, grunge, or any of that. I was copping Carducci's intense "pop vs rock" argument when I dismissed all those early punk/new wave albums as "pop".

Speaking as myself now, I will say this: Do I think there is a separation between rock & pop? Yes, though not nearly to the length that my Carducci-created alter-ego does. Do I think you've underrated the 90's acts, while over-inflating the 70's/80's artists? Yes, though not for the reasons I've been tossing out here.

One of things I grabbed from this book was the notion of synths being "pop". Truthfully, the main move of those acts were towards synths, at least after the early stuff. Deep down, I've nothing against synthesizers. However, your notion of "cutting edge" points to this progress from guitars towards synths as being that (if I'm reading it right). Technically then, there's really nothing going on that's cutting edge about these acts, since synthesizers had already been in use since the 60's. These acts were breaking as much ground as grunge, i.e. nothing. Outside of introducing world rhythms (once again, something done back in the 60's as well) I cannot for the life of me see what you're getting at that's "cutting edge".

Deep down, I think you are responding more to the way an artist interprets a sound perhaps moreso than the sound itself. For the record, I found the 90's to be an absolute breath of fresh air after the endless parade of stagnant metal acts that were everywhere. At the same time, I know this causes me to overinflate some aspects, probably cause of what I just said.

I think I was getting to you at the end. You made a comment about finding nothing impressive about the new rock bands I mentioned, & that "virtually no one else has either". You've no proof to back this up whatsoever, as you cannot speak for everyone, but I think your comment was made out of aggravation. For the record, I'm just as aggravated w/pulling this hardline style myself (ha-ha) :) I hope by the smile you included that you're not overly pissed off at me for this.

Are we cool...?

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 01.16.12 @ 18:04pm


Cheesecrop-Absolutely. This was all pretty tame in comparison to the arguments I've had here. I have a definite opinion about the whole pop vs. rock debate, and I do see rock at a low ebb. Not sure what's cutting edge anymore (dubstep?), but I do think that rock narrowed its own horizons to its own detriment. We'll see if another rock moment is in the cards.

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 01.17.12 @ 02:42am


Dubstep has been going since the early 2000's I believe but only recently became popular, and the stuff thats popular is all awful garbage obsessed with "sick bass" drops. It's the latest bad dance trend, like Eurodance was.

Rock hasn't died, what about indie/alt rock? Hell, kasabian and Flo + the machine got number ones over here quite recently!

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 01.17.12 @ 11:01am


"However, you have left out a very vital component in the effort to push pop over rock. This is the de-regulation of the radio industry & the rise of Clear Channel (amongst others). The orig. alt-rock era ended partially due to the rise of a new crop of teen idols & a crowd that hadn't had this experience before." - Cheesecrop

Actually, as noted many times, the early 90's was when Alternative started getting air play. When R.E.M. had a huge international hit (Losing My Religion) and started selling out big venues and having multi-platinum albums that was probably (I'm too young to remember) a sign that things were changing, which was confirmed over the following year or two when the Chili Peppers, Nirvana and Pearl Jam all blew up and achieved unprecedented success. On the other side of the Atlantic it was the same story, except it was called "Indie" rather than "Alternative". Like the big Alternative explosion and the Seattle sound, Britpop was a reaction to what was going on (even to the American side of things), except with much more of a desire to infiltrate the mainstream and get something exciting riding high on the charts again. Even if the long-term effects of both the American and British things in the early 90's were unwelcome, at the time it was a positive change. There were even some real innovations involved. Sorry, also addressing astrodog there, so back to your point:

It was also self-inflicted by the Seattle and Alternative thing, and also by the Alternative Metal scene. It was a gradual thing: Pearl Jam decided mass success wasn't for them and retreated inwards, stopping promoting. Alice In Chains stopped touring. R.E.M. slowed down a bit and experienced a dip in sales as a result. Kurt Cobain died. Soundgarden broke up. The Chili Peppers stopped selling with some line-up changes. That's when the teen idol thing starts to happen: When rock music's in a lull, and there's an unfilled void in the charts. Since the mid-2000's, when the teen idol revival stopped. That gap has been filled with the really conservative and recycled pop music; Black Eyed Peas, Lady Gaga, Rihanna etc. Devoid of ideas or freshness. Eventually people will get bored of it and something new will take it's place. It happens in cycles.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 01.17.12 @ 13:23pm


Rock has always had its peaks and valleys. The 70s gave us music from across the pond-Zepp, Purple, Sabbath, etc. In America, the supergroups emerged-Foreigner, Journey, Boston, etc. Add in the rise of the South-Skynerd, Blackfoot, ZZ, etc. And with the Ramones and The Clash, punk was emerging. Rock was readily available in all its forms. The 80s put more value on the guitar-loads of great high energy rock. I listen to the current crap and wonder where all the talent went.

Posted by Wizard on Friday, 01.20.12 @ 19:45pm


Why my good sire, it's gone into indie rock!

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 01.21.12 @ 09:33am


I listen to the current crap and wonder where all the talent went.

Posted by Wizard on Friday, 01.20.12 @ 19:45pm
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There is talent to be had, providing you are willing to be open-minded about the rock you're listening to. If you believe that rock has to sound one way AND ONLY ONE WAY - then you're stuck.

If you're taking recently (namely 2000 & beyond) there's a pile of stuff out there. I can give you a rough idea of a bit of it, if you'd like:

The Mooney Suzuki - "In A Young Man's Mind" - Very much like the Who

The Raveonettes - "Attack of the Ghost Riders"

The Burning Brides - "Heart Full of Black"

The Living Things - "Bom Bom Bom" - slightly poppier, more fuzz than distortion, but still good

The Soledad Brothers - "Downtown Paranoia Blues"

Blackstone Cherry - anything by these guys - little grunge/little metal/little Skynyrd

Band of Skulls - "I Know What I Am" - very much like the White Stripes

Rival Sons - "Pressure and Time" - Zeppelin-esque

You've got to dig around these days, but you can be suprised.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 01.21.12 @ 14:40pm


What are you people thinking. You need to think about the eligible performers who have packed arenas for 20 years and continue to sell out every performance. Then the people who really deserve to be a part of this farce of a list would be here and more people would take it seriously. As of now, it's crazy and deserves to be banned by some stars.

Posted by Susan on Saturday, 01.21.12 @ 16:25pm


Do some of you people like that "other liz" on 5.?.07. and others "know" any words other then "suck". When you watch bands like def leppard, bon jovi, journey, van halen, over and over, then you have a right to make comments. If you haven't, your time would be better spent looking up new words other than "suck".

Posted by Sandy on Saturday, 01.21.12 @ 16:45pm


What are you people thinking. You need to think about the eligible performers who have packed arenas for 20 years and continue to sell out every performance. Then the people who really deserve to be a part of this farce of a list would be here and more people would take it seriously. As of now, it's crazy and deserves to be banned by some stars.

Posted by Susan on Saturday, 01.21.12 @ 16:25pm
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For the record, you have read the disclaimer on this site, have you not?

This site is in no way connected to the actual Rock Hall of Fame. Yelling at the Rock Hall on this site is like yelling into a vacuum.

Though there those of us who hope someone has wandere over here & browsed around, & perhaps read a few opinions...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 01.21.12 @ 17:02pm


One more time about Journey: If they weren't considered influential, say, two years ago, that has surely since changed. A hugely popular television program dedicating one episode exclusively to their music, a Broadway musical using their song as their cast ensemble finale, countless sports teams using that same song as their theme song (or motivation song)--with the fans enthusiastically singing along...and this for one song that is now almost thirty years old? This isn't influence?

Come on. Journey deserves to be inducted.

Posted by Joe on Friday, 02.3.12 @ 23:28pm


Unfortunately that song (Dont' Stop Believing) has been reduced to an overused, cringe-worthy anthem. It says something about the vagaries of popular culture.

Posted by astrodog on Saturday, 02.4.12 @ 02:33am


Journey deserves in. Yeah, they should have had more rockers like Stone in Love and Anyway You Want It. Sure they were plenty pop. What has to be considered is with a singer like Perry, with all that range and feeling, naturally your gonna write ballads and anthems. Journey made you want to sing along and Schonn provided just enough guitar. And they did it longer and better than anyone else in that era.

Posted by Warrior on Friday, 02.24.12 @ 19:55pm


agreed.

I don't see where the hate against journey comes from, so what if they were "corporate" rock (stupid genre name btw) The hall was never about accepting just the cool, alternative people. everyone's welcome, there's no reason Journey and the Smiths can't share the hall.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 02.25.12 @ 16:07pm


This seems like as good a place as any given the discussion in this page, but the band Fun hit the top spot on the US charts, the first rock song in a long time. (A Superbowl ad didn't hurt). Well it's rock by degree. The band has two keyboardists and has swirling choruses. But they do have guitars.

Posted by astrodog on Friday, 03.9.12 @ 00:58am


One word...ABBA...now tell me why Journey does not belong in?

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 03.10.12 @ 20:00pm


ABBA and its music is more revered than Journey's- could be one reason. :)

Posted by JR on Thursday, 03.15.12 @ 16:10pm


@JR: Not true in the least. Journey's music is far more revered in the United States than ABBA's is. Regardless, that is a completely subjective claim and not a valid reason for denying one of the most successful rock acts of all time induction into the RRHOF which is becoming more of a joke every year.

Posted by Mackdown on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 05:51am


Why is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame even called the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Its not even about rock and roll. Playing rock and roll isn't even a prerequisite for being inducted. Most actual rock fans including myself think the entire institution is a pathetic joke. No Rush, no Journey, no Monkees, no Genesis, no Moody Blues....how many more of the top rock acts of all time do these morons want to leave out? Meanwhile we have inductees that contributed next to nothing to the evolution of rock music such as Abba and the Shirelles, and others who played more of a role in rock's demise than anything else such as Grandmaster Flash and the Beastie Boys. The whole thing is an absurd collection of the subjective musical tastes of some elitist pricks who write for Rolling Stone magazine.

Posted by Mackdown on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 09:08am


"and not a valid reason for denying one of the most successful rock acts of all time induction into the RRHOF"

I await your advocacy for Creed's induction with great anticipation ;)

Posted by Sam on Monday, 03.26.12 @ 19:25pm


Two more things:

1. You should try and be aware of who's inducted (Genesis ARE in the Hall)
2. Nothing against Journey, but I really wouldn't group them in with the rest that you mentioned. Genesis, The Monkees, The Moody Blues and Rush all have far more musical impact than Journey, and Rush are far better than Journey
3. I have no horse in the ABBA-Journey race that briefly started, but a brief glance would indicate that musicians prefer ABBA. The only reason I say this is because the opinion of the musicians is most important. What either critics or fans have to say is arguably far less important than the musicians

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 03.27.12 @ 06:02am


The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees

Journey: The Résumés

01. Neal Schon (Santana; Journey; Schon & Hammer, Hagar Schon Aaronson Shrieve; Bad English | guitar, vocals)

02. Gregg Rolie (Santana; Journey; The Storm | keyboards, vocals)

03. Ross Valory (Frumious Bandersnatch, Journey; The Storm | bass)

04. Aynsley Dunbar (Journey; Jefferson Starship; The Mothers of Invention; Flo and Eddie; Whitesnake | drums)

05. Steve Perry (Journey | vocals)

06. Steve Smith (Focus; Steps Ahead; Journey; The Storm | drums)

07. Jonathan Cain (The Babys; Journey; Bad English | keyboards)

Steve Perry's replacements (Arnel Pineda and Steve Augeri) will not be inducted. They arrived very late in the game. No hits with them, but the albums charted very high though. Who knows, maybe they will, but I hope not.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 03.27.12 @ 09:09am


Journey will eventually be inducted because of their connections to Santana. The Rock Hall eats that stuff up! Gregg Rolie will join the group of artists who have been inducted more than once into the Rock Hall. Neal Schon and Journey are mentioned in the Santana biography at the Rock Hall, but Neil Schon was not inducted with Santana.

Quote:

At this juncture, the original six-man group was augmented by second guitarist Neal Schon (who later formed Journey with keyboardist Gregg Rolie).

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 03.27.12 @ 09:14am


I'm listening to Journey now as I type this and they are amazing! Why they are not in the RRHOF is just beyond comprehension. I have been a fan of Journey since the 70's and it's a shame that the hall doesn't vote them in NOW. At least then we'd still have a small glimmer of hope Steve Perry would actually reunite with the band for one last time. The clock's ticking aholes....vote Journey in! Ten years from now will be tooooo late!
Beastie Boys rock and roll??? It's not the rap or hip hop hall of fame lol. What a joke. Get Journey, the worlds greatest band of all time in there now!

Posted by Dave on Sunday, 04.22.12 @ 16:32pm


"Beastie Boys rock and roll???"

Licensed To Ill and Check Your Head are albums as rock and roll as anything else. On the former in particular the lines between rock and rap are blurred*, and it wasn't even the first of it's kind to do that. On the latter they even played their own instruments, and they have continued to do so ever since.
*Kerry King even played guitar on No Sleep Till Brooklyn

"It's not the rap or hip hop hall of fame lol."

1. It's also not the Metal, Soul, Punk, Prog, R&B, Hard Rock, Pop, Funk, Rockabilly or Country Hall Of Fame.

2. I'm hardly a Hall Of Fame apologist, but the most basic criteria for induction is "influence and significance to the development and perpetuation of rock 'n' roll." If you can't see how Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC and the Beastie Boys did this I'm not sure what else to say.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 04.22.12 @ 17:14pm


Troof, Sam.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 04.22.12 @ 18:51pm


Hey Sam I realize and get what you all wrote. Hell I love the Beastie Boys to be honest. All I'm saying is it's a travesty that Journey is not in the hall.

Maybe they need to induct about 50 bands in one year to clear the mess up already. Way too many deserving bands out there who deserve to be in.

So called corporate labled band BS just kills me.
Boston, Cheap Trick, Foreigner, Heart, KISS..I could go on on and on. Get em in.

Long live Steve Perry and Journey!

Posted by dave on Thursday, 04.26.12 @ 17:03pm


Journey is kind of a dodgy one, a lot of melodic rock/AOR groups have taken influence from them and they have great sales. But no real innovation (Boston and others pioneered the AOR sound before them) and no critical appreciation. I do think they should get in overall though.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 04.26.12 @ 17:39pm


Styx is 3 times the band Journey is/was and they can't get a sniff of the Hall. No way Journey should get in (IMO).

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 04.27.12 @ 14:59pm


Say what you will about Journey, but they never put out a career-killer like "Mr. Roboto".

Posted by Jim on Friday, 04.27.12 @ 15:03pm


Ok fair play dave. My take: I'm not a fan but I think they've earned a spot, though there's others I'd like to see in first. Will they get in? Probably not. I totally agree about the "corporate rock" label; totally meaningless, and they have a double standard about who they apply it to.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 04.27.12 @ 15:16pm


Hey Sam wouldn't it be nice to see how every person voted? I'd love to be able to see how all these so called experts vote every year. And yeah big time double standard as to who gets in and who they shut the door on.
I just hate the fact some bands should be in there and we'd get one last time to see them play together. Ok not you Axel, but the rest.
Boston. I would have loved to see one more performace from them with Brad Delph. Phenominal singer, but now unfortunately he's dead. And speaking of Boston, just with More than a feeling is enough for me to say they're in. Who hasn't cranked that one up a million times in their car and sang away! And Boston was very innovative for god sake! Not to mention they're music was awesome!
OK someone tell me this. Blondie is in. I like them. A few hits. Heart, Pat Benitar, Joan Jett. Why not them. All better in my opinion, women and yet Blondie and the boys are in? I don't get it and I know I never will get the logic of the idiots who are voting.
Journey...get them in now! Steve Perry sing one last time with them. I'll duct tape Neil's mouth shut personally so he can still play but not speak!

Posted by Dave on Friday, 04.27.12 @ 16:01pm


The fact that it took Heart until this time around to get nominated is a bit strange. I'm not saying they're a major snub, but I'd put them in ahead of some other people. If the Seattle bands dig them that's a fairly convincing case for me. I'd (objectively) put The Cars and Roxy Music in as well as Blondie.

Regarding your last bit... If Journey were to be put in I'm not sure you'd get that reunion, since too much has passed between them. I do like your duct tape bit though. Reminds me of something Frank Zappa said, which is often relevant: "Shut up and play guitar" :)

Posted by Sam on Friday, 04.27.12 @ 19:15pm


It would sometimes be interesting indeed (or perhaps annoying) to know what goes on; be a fly on the wall.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 04.27.12 @ 19:19pm


Love that Zappa quote! Funny you mentioned The Cars. Oh man they were one of my favorites, still are. Another band that should be in. Of course Benjamin Orr is not gone also and he sang most of their best songs and big hits.
I just laugh when I read who's eligible. Don Johnson. Okey Dokey let's vote him in before Journey. Why the hell not! Insane!
Wait...... now 2 more votes for Nash Bridges!

Posted by Dave on Friday, 04.27.12 @ 19:31pm


As much as I would like to say that there are a great many inductees in the hall who are only there because the voters are full of themselves thinking that they're "enlightened" about what great rock is and what great rock artists are, I won't mention them by name. They don't deserve criticism since they didn't vote for themselves. I will say that there are FAR more deserving artists such as Journey, Boston, Chicago, Styx, Rush, Bon Jovi, Doobie Brothers and several others.

I don't know where else people are penalized for actually being popular with music lovers. After all, isn't that they're job- making music that is meaningful, sounds good and is worth us spending our hard-earned money for. Perhaps the voters believe the hall is reserved for the musicians who best appeal to the "artsy" critics. While I am not saying popularity is everything, I am saying that it means something since we, the rock and roll fandom, know a little bit about great rock ourselves.

Posted by Gary Gagliardi on Friday, 05.4.12 @ 21:19pm


Journey was just a harder version on Air Supply. Their music was dumbed down and appealed to the lowest common denominator. That said, I always favor bands that are highly commercially successful, that have an actual impact. Sill there is such a thing as being too conventional, never taking a chance and making music that lowers IQ points with each listen. I would probably vote for every band listed (maybe except for Rush). But the gold standard for me are not purely commercial bands nor pure art bands with their heads up their ass, but those few acts that successfully can combine the two. That definitely isn't Journey. If you hit someone in the knee caps with a baseball bat for playing Don't Stop Believing, would any jury convict you?

Posted by astrodog on Saturday, 05.5.12 @ 00:21am


I was reading a comment above about Heart, Joan Jett and Pat Benatar.
Heart is borderline. Good first album, petered out, crappy 80s ballads written by Diane Warren, nothing new.
Joan Jett I have always supported, but the wrinkle is that neither the Runaways nor the Blackherts deserve induction. She would have to get in individually like Joplin.
Benatar has a credible chance, but she had quite a bit of songwriting help from Mike Chapman, et. al.

Posted by astrodog on Saturday, 05.5.12 @ 00:29am


Joan Jett I have always supported, but the wrinkle is that neither the Runaways nor the Blackherts deserve induction. She would have to get in individually like Joplin.

Posted by astrodog on Saturday, 05.5.12 @ 00:29am
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This is one of the reasons the Hall needs to have some sort of set-up for those who had overall success w/several acts.

I'm one of many who has brought up Paul Rodgers, as the combination of Free/Bad Co./The Firm ought to be considered overall. If Soundgarden doesn't make the grade overall, Chris Cornell should be considered for SG, Audioslave, & his solo albums together. Joan Jett sounds like the same thing - The Runaways/Blackhearts/solo career combined.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 05.5.12 @ 06:25am


This comment is to Astrodog. Ok I get it you hate Journey, but to compare them to Air Supply is funny as hell. You wanted a comment with that stupid comment so here it is moron. Bait taken, but you're an idiot none the less.

Posted by Dave on Saturday, 05.5.12 @ 12:48pm


Ahhh the joys of aggression and name-calling anonymously over the internet!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 05.5.12 @ 13:12pm


Tahvo you're my hero!

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 05.5.12 @ 14:25pm


Dave-You're right. I should not have insulted Air Supply. Sorry.

Posted by astrodog on Saturday, 05.5.12 @ 23:08pm


Astrodog you are a God!

Posted by Dave on Sunday, 05.6.12 @ 19:47pm


I remember when my image posting used to suprise people ;_;

Posted by GFW on Monday, 05.7.12 @ 07:43am


I never got the "corporate" thing. When an artist signs a record contract, their music becomes a business venture. Every single release on a label is vetted, and the band themselves give consideration to how they want to present it. Everything is manufactured, literally.


Journey gets a bad rap from critics and would-be elitist music snobs, simply because they embraced what they were, rather than tried to run away from it like Morrissey, Buckley etc, and made some of the best pop records of the 70's and 80's. The Beatles, in the early-to-mid 60's, were as pop as pop can be, but they get away with it, due to the glaring double standards in the world of rock snobbery. As far as I'm concerned, Perry and Schon had a god-given talent and gift for melody that can't be denied, and I think it really ruins the angle for those who want to dismiss Journey as "talentless", or whatever.

Journey for HOF!

Posted by Journey in the Hall NOW! on Monday, 06.11.12 @ 00:28am


Journey and Kid Rock will be performing at the Republican convention.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 08.28.12 @ 12:15pm



Which band utilizes melodic vocals, big anthemic choruses, a high level of musicial technicality, and lyrics based around such topics as relationships, sprituality, and other aspects of everyday life?

(a) The Beatles
(b) Journey

Posted by GhostofCobain on Friday, 10.26.12 @ 11:21am



The Rock and Roll Hall of bands that are liked by Rolling Stone Magazine.

Just research who the judges are.

Posted by GhostofCobain on Friday, 10.26.12 @ 11:26am


Just cause they both use them don't mean they are equals.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 10.26.12 @ 14:17pm


^The Who? Pink Floyd?

Posted by Sam on Friday, 10.26.12 @ 18:25pm


"Anyone who listens to Journey -- or Foreigner, or Heart, Kansas, REO Speedwagon or Styx, for that matter -- does so for one reason: They were told to listen by mass media conglomerates, i.e. big record execs and brain-numbing radio stations... It's sugar-coated swill for the lemmings, talentless, mindless drivel with achingly bad guitar solos and embarassingly timid lyrics."

That's funny, because I don't remember Ahmet Ertegun coming to my house, tying me down to a chair, putting a pair of headphones on my ears, and forcing me to listen to the entire Foreigner discography in one sitting. I developed an appreciation for their music on my own without any external pressure. Their first four albums are top notch, straightforward rock 'n roll. I won't deny that their work suffered once they switched to a lighter sound with Agent Provocateur, but I think their work from 1977 - 1982 holds up tremendously.

Elitist attacks like yours will get you nowhere. No one forced me to listen to Foreigner against my own will. Last time I checked, it isn't a crime to like Foreigner. You take music way too seriously if you think there's something shameful about liking Foreigner. It's a good thing you tucked your tail between your legs and headed for the hills, because I'd rake you over the coals if you were still here.

Posted by Zach on Saturday, 12.22.12 @ 15:39pm


I don't remember someone forcing me to listen to (and for the most part enjoy) Frontiers.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 12.22.12 @ 16:03pm


Journey

01. Neal Schon (1973-Present; guitar, vocals)
02. Gregg Rolie (1973-1980; keyboards, vocals)
03. Ross Valory (1973-Present; bass)
04. Prairie Prince (1973-1974; drums)
05. Aynsley Dunbar (1974-1978; drums)
06. Steve Perry (1977-1998; vocals)
07. Steve Smith (1978-1998; drums)
08. Jonathan Cain (1980-Present; keyboards)

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01.15.13 @ 22:38pm


Journey

01. Neal Schon (1973-Present; guitar, vocals)
02. Gregg Rolie (1973-1980; keyboards, vocals)
03. Ross Valory (1973-Present; bass)
04. George Tickner (1973-1975; guitar)
05. Prairie Prince (1973-1974; drums)
06. Aynsley Dunbar (1974-1978; drums)
07. Steve Perry (1977-1998; vocals)
08. Steve Smith (1978-1998; drums)
09. Jonathan Cain (1980-Present; keyboards)

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01.15.13 @ 22:43pm


Roy, you are missing some people who have been in Journey. Randy Jackson (of American Idol fame) played bass for them on the 'Raised on Radio' tour, and perhaps on that album too. After Steve Perry, they've gone through 2-3 vocalists.

Now, if you are just listing members who you think would be inducted (IF they were ever to be inducted), I seriously doubt Prairie Prince, George Tickner or even Aynsley Dunbar would be included in an induction.

So the list doesn't work as either a complete roster of band members or a likely list of inductees.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 01.15.13 @ 22:48pm


Yes, I know all about Randy Jackson and all of Steve Perry's replacements. I just don't think they will be inducted. I think only the members of Journey who were interviewed for VH1 Behind the Music will be inducted. You are right about Prairie Prince and George Tickner, but not Aynsley Dunbar.

Journy: The Inductees

01. Neal Schon (1973-Present; guitar, vocals)
02. Gregg Rolie (1973-1980; keyboards, vocals)
03. Ross Valory (1973-Present; bass)
04. Aynsley Dunbar (1974-1978; drums)
05. Steve Perry (1977-1998; vocals)
06. Steve Smith (1978-1998; drums)
07. Jonathan Cain (1980-Present; keyboards)

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01.16.13 @ 06:40am


Journey: The Inductees

01. Neal Schon (1973-Present; guitar, vocals)
02. Gregg Rolie (1973-1980; keyboards, vocals)
03. Ross Valory (1973-Present; bass)
04. Aynsley Dunbar (1974-1978; drums)
05. Steve Perry (1977-1998; vocals)
06. Steve Smith (1978-1998; drums)
07. Jonathan Cain (1980-Present; keyboards)

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01.16.13 @ 06:43am


Roy, where is the Filipino guy who is now their vocalist?

IMO, He's a member of the band just like the guys you listed.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 01.16.13 @ 07:39am


I don't think I'm wrong on Dunbar. But we'll probably never find out, becaue I don't see an induction for them in the near future. Great band, though.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 01.16.13 @ 08:10am


I just don't think the Rock Hall will want to induct Steve Perry's replacements (Arnel Pineda and Steve Augeri).

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01.16.13 @ 08:49am


Roy, agree with their induction chances. Did not know in your initial post that you were listing the ones you thought should be inducted.

Just thought it was a summation of Journey band members over the years.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 01.17.13 @ 09:44am


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/dont-stop-believin-everymans-journey-tracks-lead-singers-rise-to-stardom-20130213

The new documentary Don't Stop Believin': Everyman's Journey tells the story of Arnel Pineda, a Filipino singer who rose from a YouTube sensation to the frontman of Journey. Directed by Ramona S. Diaz, the film chronicles the challenges Pineda faced before he joined the band in 2007, as well as his efforts to fill the shoes of the band's much-beloved frontman, Steve Perry, and embark on a massive world tour. Now you can check out this exclusive clip in which Pineda meets Jason Scheff – who replaced Peter Cetera as Chicago's bassist in 1985 – and the two bust out an impressive, spontaneous duet of Chicago's "Will You Still Love Me?"

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02.14.13 @ 07:44am


Music is art. So many artists and only so few notes...but, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts nomination and no Journey? Really?? WTF??? I'm appauled. What a joke.....

Posted by Kellie on Wednesday, 02.27.13 @ 19:12pm


Journey

01. Neal Schon (1973-Present: guitar, vocals; Santana, Schon & Hammer, Hagar Schon Aaronson Shrieve, Bad English)
02. Gregg Rolie (1973-1980: keyboards, vocals; Santana, The Storm)
03. Ross Valory (1973-Present: bass; Frumious Bandersnatch, The Storm)
04. Aynsley Dunbar (1974-1978: drums; Whitesnake, Jefferson Starship, The Mothers, John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers)
05. Steve Perry (1977-1998: vocals)
06. Steve Smith (1978-1998: drums; Focus, Steps Ahead, The Storm)
07. Jonathan Cain (1980-Present: keyboards; The Babys; Bad English)

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 05.23.13 @ 10:34am


I am biased in this post but I believe Journey should be in. Heart and Styx are in so obviously this genre is being recognized now.

Posted by David on Thursday, 10.3.13 @ 13:23pm


Styx isn't in now and never will be, but Journey does have more respect than Styx at the moment...

Posted by Sean on Thursday, 10.3.13 @ 13:38pm


Kit says Journey sucks, if that's true then Kit swallows.

Posted by Rick on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 06:11am


Journey is certainly deserving of a place in the hall. What is the criteria for election to R&R sainthood? #1 hits, top ten hits, total records sold, fan-clubs, politics??. I have been around since the dawn of R&R...think Elvis, Chuck Berry ETC...and am a musician of little talent...and venture to say politics is what gets most of them in. For my money Foreigner is on the short list of best R&R bands ever...and no HOF! Talk about lasting power...since starting in the late 70s Foreigner concerts today... with only founder Mick Jones still the driving force...are a tour de force in great music. Just trying to give credit where its due. Power to the people!

Posted by Robin Hood on Thursday, 01.30.14 @ 18:03pm


Journey will be inducted in the 2020-2030 window. The RRHOF will be scrambling for quality acts during this time. Journey had an impressive string of hits in the 80's. Open Arms,Separate Ways,Faithfully etc.

Steve Perry had 1 of the best rock voices & Escape was a Classic Album. Very good band & was a popular group for their big years.Loved the guitar work & the keyboards.

I have seen some bands inducted over the years that made me scratch my head. Journey made enough impact in their hit years to warrant induction. They even had their own Journey Escape video game. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 02.2.14 @ 04:41am


Journey will be inducted in the 2020-2030 window. The RRHOF will be scrambling for quality acts during this time. Journey had an impressive string of hits in the 80's. Open Arms,Separate Ways,Faithfully etc.

Steve Perry had 1 of the best rock voices & Escape was a Classic Album. Very good band & was a popular group for their big years.Loved the guitar work & the keyboards.

I have seen some bands inducted over the years that made me scratch my head. Journey made enough impact in their hit years to warrant induction. They even had their own Journey Escape video game. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 02.2.14 @ 05:00am


Journey will be inducted in the 2020-2030 window. The RRHOF will be scrambling for quality acts during this time. Journey had an impressive string of hits in the 80's. Open Arms,Separate Ways,Faithfully etc.

Steve Perry had 1 of the best rock voices & Escape was a Classic Album. Very good band & was a popular group for their big years.Loved the guitar work & the keyboards.

I have seen some bands inducted over the years that made me scratch my head. Journey made enough impact in their hit years to warrant induction. They even had their own Journey Escape video game. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 02.2.14 @ 05:00am


Journey will be inducted in the 2020-2030 window. The RRHOF will be scrambling for quality acts during this time. Journey had an impressive string of hits in the 80's. Open Arms,Separate Ways,Faithfully etc.

Steve Perry had 1 of the best rock voices & Escape was a Classic Album. Very good band & was a popular group for their big years.Loved the guitar work & the keyboards.

I have seen some bands inducted over the years that made me scratch my head. Journey made enough impact in their hit years to warrant induction. They even had their own Journey Escape video game. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 02.2.14 @ 05:00am


Journey should DEFINITELY be inducted!!! Steve Perry not only has one of the best singing voices of all time, he is also Portuguese and was born in Hanford, CA. Need I say more? I think not...... Induct them already!!!!

Posted by Hanford,CA. on Wednesday, 03.5.14 @ 12:38pm


You are right to point out yet another bias of the hall. People often point out the disparity between male and female inductees, or the lack of black artists in some induction classes. But rarely do people discuss the clear discrimination against artists of Portuguese heritage! The hall clearly hates Portugal!

Posted by dezmond on Wednesday, 03.5.14 @ 18:37pm


Please, I know music is subjective, so I won't argue taste. I just love Journey and Steve Perry. I'd like to get them inducted and see them all play together again at least one more time. SO COME ON FANS, LET'S PRESS THE ISSUE: JOURNEY INTO THE HALL OF FAME - 2015!!!

Posted by Marty Smith on Wednesday, 03.26.14 @ 19:55pm


To Kit....everyone is entitled to an opinion. But yours are ridiculous, ignorant and misinformed. So, I couldn't resist. I can list bands that I have negative emotions about, such as the Beatles, but that doesn't qualify me to determine their status. You are ranting....get over it and grow up. More importantly, your post says Journey "sucks" and that it is "undebateable" and "uncontestable". On what planet are you in charge of decided what and what is not debateable or contestable. How arrogant and pompous and ignorant is that? You are missing the point. Whether you like them or not and whether you like their songs or not is irrelevant to the post topic. It is about whether or not they belong in the hall, right? I am a musician of many years and I can tell you without a doubt that Journey does not "suck". All of the members of the band are exceptionally talented whether you like the product or not. Each of the members of the band shows not only excellent abilities but emotion and creativity. It is not simply "candy pop/rock".

Posted by Rob on Friday, 03.28.14 @ 10:55am


Journey is one of the best bands in the history of rock and roll - the fact there not in the rock n roll hall of fame to me is ridiculous - there are so many that have been inducted already that Journey is much better than in multiple ways - the rock n roll hall of fame is a joke and it's credibility is dropping like a rock

Posted by George Turner on Friday, 05.2.14 @ 16:10pm


Journey

01. Neal Schon (1973-Present: guitar, vocals; Santana, Schon & Hammer, Hagar Schon Aaronson Shrieve, Bad English)
02. Gregg Rolie (1973-1980: keyboards, vocals; Santana, The Storm)
03. Ross Valory (1973-Present: bass; Frumious Bandersnatch, The Storm)
04. Aynsley Dunbar (1974-1978: drums; Whitesnake, Jefferson Starship, The Mothers, John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers)
05. Steve Perry (1977-1998: vocals)
06. Steve Smith (1978-1998: drums; Focus, Steps Ahead, The Storm)
07. Jonathan Cain (1980-Present: keyboards; The Babys; Bad English)

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 05.28.14 @ 07:08am


Back in the earlier to mid 70's Journey was a fusion band. They plain just rocked without hardly any vocals except Gregg Rolie. In 1977 Herbie Hertbert tried Robert Fleisman, but he just didn't fit the band. So he hired Steve Perry. From Infinity, Evolution, Departure, Captured, Escape, Frontiers and Raised on Radio from the late 70's to the late '80's Journey sold out arena after arena. Then in 1996 they released Trial by Fire. There was never a tour and Neal gave Jon the job of firing Steve. That was a magical time for the band and the best music they'll ever put out. Seeing Journey live with Perry was unbievable, seeing them with Augeri was good and seeing them with Arnel was good also. Nothing, I mean nothing can compare Journey when Perry was there.

Posted by Rodge on Saturday, 05.31.14 @ 11:47am


I have one song for you: Don't Stop Believing. That song has stood the test of time. Our teenagers listen to it today, our sports teams use it, and it is the #1 downloaded song of all time. That being said, like or hate them, they made a huge impact on music. They should be inducted for writing the ultimate song.

Posted by Susan on Sunday, 12.14.14 @ 18:07pm


Journey goes in after Green Day, the Beastie Boys and Joan Jett and her 2 hits? I remember Journey selling out three straight nights in Minneapolis at the civic center. Springsteen owns the hall and his music doesn't stand the test of time like Journey. There is a reason people like Paul Stanley, Ozzy, Eddie Van H., DLR, Axle Rose and the rest of the best don't show up for induction or gripe about how dumb the whole thing is. I noticed the security question for me to leave a comment is "what letter is in the name of Springsteen's band. He owns it and it's b.s.

Posted by Dave on Thursday, 01.29.15 @ 01:17am


"Springsteen owns the hall and his music doesn't stand the test of time like Journey."

What are you smoking? Whatever it is, I'd love you have what you're having!

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 01.29.15 @ 08:38am


""Springsteen owns the hall and his music doesn't stand the test of time like Journey."

What are you smoking? Whatever it is, I'd love you have what you're having!"

It's about who is getting propped up and who is enduring despite lack of publicity. Remember the guy got booed off the stage!!! (ask yourself why.) Influence? At what point do you "wake up and smell the coffee and realize it's mostly just wink wink - pat on the back - vote for me - I'll vote for you.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 01.29.15 @ 11:14am


Zuzu, while I agree that Journey is hallworthy and has been unfairly snubbed due to prejudices against certain genres on the part of the powers that be, saying that about Springsteen is pure ignorance. Whether you like him or not, you have to at least have some objectivity and knowledge of rock history to be taken seriously.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 01.29.15 @ 12:28pm


Zuzu: I have no idea what you are talking about.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 01.29.15 @ 12:36pm


Dezmond, I can see where Dave is coming from as Jon Landau has been on the committee almost from the start and has also written for RS. Do you think that had no effect on Springsteen overcoming being booed on stage and getting into the hall as quickly as he did? Do I think Springsteen had influence? - yes, but I think some of that influence is due to his connections to the hall rather than his music.

Art is subjective. Nobody is going to be completely objective. Everybody's knowledge of rock history has gaps. I see influence used too much as criteria. I see way too little emphasis on the art form and people in general connecting to that art. Great art should touch a wide pool and I see a loss in popularity in rock over the decades. Shouldn't that also be apart of the calculation.

I see a problem with the committee. There is too much politics at play and there is too much rotation coming from certain clique groups. There needs to be better check and balances. I concur with the complaint of many artists that the committee should contain more artist and less critics and music industry personal.

Journey should have been in a long time ago along with several other ROCK artist from the 70's. It's almost as if 70's rock has been passed over. I think it's because industry was not pushing these artists and that many of theses artist stepped on industry toes rather than not being deserving.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 01.29.15 @ 18:47pm


Zuzu, I agree with much of what you say. Sure nobody can be totally objective, but there are some basic building blocks in rock history, and from the 70's on, Springsteen is one of them. Like him or not, surely you understand that. I don't know what booing incident you are fixated on, but if you know anything about live performance reputations over the decades, few hold up to Springsteen. I'm not saying that as a fan, I am saying that based on reputation amongst both critics and fanbases.

That's all. I agree with you complaints about the committee (and I also get irritated with Landau) and I agree that Journey absolutely has a place in the Hall.

As far as Springsteen getting into the Hall as quickly as he did, he was a first year eligible, first ballot no-brainer. He didn't need Landau or any insiders for that. It just takes people who understand simple rock and roll history, that is all. Honestly, Springsteen was as easy a choice as The Rolling Stones or The Who. No need for discussion at all, really.

Few artists have ahd the reach, influence or impact than Springsteen. Way more than Journey, by the way. That being said, it is indeed a travesty that Journey has not been nominated or inducted.

But I am not sure the solution on the committee issues is more artists, less critics, though. Frankly, many artists don't have enough knowledge beyond their genres or their own influences. That is a problem with the voting body as well. I love B.B. King, but what does he really know about The Smiths, Cure or Replacements?

70's rock passed over? Not nearly as much as the 80's (almost all genres), prog or metal have been.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 01.29.15 @ 22:19pm


Not that I particularly have any interest in the ongoing Journey-Bruce Springsteen (two artists I have no interest in, BTW), but as far as which musicians stand the test of time, let's remove the rockist blinders and account for all music here. If you were to construct an objective list of the most significant figures in music based on musical achievements, I think a lot of rock 'n roll sacred cows would rank significantly lower than they would on a rock 'n' roll-only list. I don't believe Springsteen would rank so highly if such a list were to be constructed, especially considering there's an ocean of classical and jazz names who have him beat in musical innovations, influence, technical ability, and other criteria. Then of course there's various international figures like Enrico Caruso, Edith Piaf, Luciano Pavarotti, not to mention names that are virtually synonymous with their respective styles like Scott Joplin and Bill Monroe, as well as less obvious names who may not have high name recognition but are nonetheless still highly important like Bob Wills and Louis Jordan. And I haven't even gotten to Les Paul, who in any objective list belongs no lower than the top 20. None of this detracts from The Beatles, Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, David Bowie, or other acknowledged RNR legends, but you gotta look at it from a different perspective.

Posted by Zach on Friday, 01.30.15 @ 00:02am


"let's remove the rockist blinders and account for all music here."

Why? As in, why is that relevant to this particular discussion? To take it out of the music context for a moment, it would be like debating great novelists, and someone jumps in and says "but Poe wrote great poetry!" That may be, but we weren't really discussing poets, were we? Or all writing. We were discussing novelists.

Zach, I am well aware of the artists you mentioned, and I know jazz and classical music in general rather well. But so what? We were discussing rock music here, and within that narrow frame, Springsteen and Journey's place in it. I could throw out Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and he is more significant that anyone you, I or Zuzu previously mentioned. But again, hardly relevant to the discussion at hand.

Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 01.30.15 @ 01:35am


Mind like parachute - only function when open!

In all seriousness, I just wanted to provide a different perspective on the issue of what constitutes timeless music.

Your comparison is interesting (I couldn't help but admire the Poe reference) but it's sort of a false equivalency in the sense that poetry and novels are forms of writing, whereas rock 'n' roll and jazz are genres of music. Two entirely different concepts. A more apt analogy would be if you and Zuzu were hypothetically discussing radio comedy and arguing over whether George Burns & Gracie Allen or Edgar Bergen were funnier, and I interjected to say "Well I like FDR's fireside chats!"

Since you mentioned Mozart, allow to make one amendment to my proposed list by excluding anyone who predates the dawn of recorded music. I wish not to marginalize their contributions, but since Beethoven and Mozart didn't live long enough to record their works, it would be unfair to rank them alongside those who did record. Even with that caveat, there's still plenty of room for classical musicians, performers, and conductors who did make recordings, such as Arturo Toscanini, Van Cliburn, Arthur Rubinstein, Leopold Stokowski, and others. In that case, I suppose I'd have to remove ragtime legend Scott Joplin since he never made proper recordings, only piano rolls.

Back to your regularly scheduled discussion...

Posted by Zach on Friday, 01.30.15 @ 02:16am


Dezmond,

If you were to make a list of who you think are 70's artist in the Hall I bet I could cut that list down quite a bit. Just because they produced records in the 70's does not make them a 70's artist. You will have some 60's artist that
are winding down and some 80's artist that had not yet hit their stride. Also keep in mind that who the Brits were istening to was not necessarily who Americans and Canadians were listening to and visa versa. One last thing to bear in mind is that you have a generational changing of the guard in the 70's. You have both tail end Boomers and first wave Gen Xer's coming of age in that decade and Gen X girls were not into the same artist as Gen X guys.

It's mainly a matter of perspective. You're talking about history and I'm talking about what I lived, about what I saw, what I talked about with people I knew and to some extent what I have read about. I have something to countercheck the
histories that are being put out there. Two examples I can give are what actually started the Disco Sucks movement and the whole story behind the term head banger.

Don't forget that the entertainment industry is a business. It's all connected from TV exposure to critic reviews to who the big record companies are going to push to does your manager have good inside connections. You play the game you get ahead. You step on the wrong toes and you get blocked or you could be made to even disappear. There is an interview with Melanie that gives a good inside look at the industry and changes that took place. classicbands.com/MelanieInterview

I've read about too many abuses from this committee. There are no controls. It should not be the same group as the majority with no changes. At this juncture most artist should be from the 70's and 80's with only a few being earlier or later. The point is to have several artist with different vantage points that would bring different perspectives. The problem has been that there has been little variety - mostly the same ole same ole viewpoint. There is a problem when an artist is nominated without discussion as has been reported. That is what happens when you have the same people year after
year. It needs to change.

The incident I'm thinking of was when Springsteen was booed off the stage when he opened for Chicago at Madison Square Garden in 73. There were also other instances around that time where he was booed. I've read that his manager blamed
Chicago. I'm not sure which manager it was referring. There are also more recent incidents. I have seen several explantions: PDA'S, the wrong song to the wrong crowd, conservatives and that they are actually saying Bruce. Well the Daily Show isn't conservative and I have seen waving thumbs down in a video.

I'm not sure where you see such a significant influence to warrent Springsteen getting in on the first year. I can see it with Elvis, the Beatles, The Beach Boys and Chicago. Rockabilly, British Invasion, The California Sound and Heartland Rock are all major shifts in geography and style that dominated a period of Rock. I don't see that with Springsteen. Maybe you could be a bit more specific to give me an idea of what you see that I don't. From what I have come across artists consider Springsteen an influence becauce of his ability to condense a story into a few moments of song. What I found suprising is that some of those artists also consider John Prine an influence also for the very same reason and a few of those actually consider Prine the stronger influence.

I don't think the Who or the Stones rate quite as high as you think either. I think that you will find that Americans and Canadians that were teens in the early 70's have a very different opinion. As a matter of fact The Who is a sore spot with
my neighbors to the North. I think you will also find that many Americans of that age agree with them completely. You might want to look at some early videos of both groups. Neither was ready to be put in the spotlight as early as they were. You may also need to look up info on the dirty underbelly side of the British Invasion. I did a quick check on All Music. I couldn't find info on Chicago, The Who or Journey on covers but I include some info I did find to give you some
insight into my perspective. I counted up Artist I knew the names of. Allow for an error margin since several artists were listed multiple times. Paul Mc Cartney 400, Mick Jagger 160 and Bruce Springsteen 80. Those are some pretty
significant differences.

Some things you may not have considered in your evaluation of Journey in comparison to Springsteen:

Don't Stop Beleiving is the most downloaded song on I-Tunes that is not from the 21st century

Journey has influences on the developement of the power ballad, hair bands and metal prog

Journey had Steve Perry. The man's ability to sing so high in his chest voice with such power is not only rare in rock but across the board. From what I read singing like this takes a toll physically and mentally. A singer needs rest and
retreat in order to recuperate after such an exertion. This has been known in classic music for some time. Prima dona may be used to describe somebody that is spoiled but prima donas were actually treated specially to protect their voices. There have been changes in other genres such as rock and pop in order to protect singer's voices and Steve Perry is a large part of the reason those changes took place.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 02.8.15 @ 01:34am


journey is the best and they deserve to put in here with steve perry got them going big neal kept them going

Posted by april parker on Sunday, 03.15.15 @ 01:08am


Personally I live in the Cleveland area and will not consider the R&R HOF until Journey is a part. There are many groups which appealed to specific audiences- blues, punk, ect. Journey appealed to an entire generation.

Posted by Ed on Saturday, 04.18.15 @ 10:15am


I'd like to hear an honest Pro Con discussion of Journey and their merits for RRHOF. My stance already mentioned on Forum that Journey gets in 2020-2030 time frame where there is a thinning of great eligible groups. As a vocalist fan, Steve Perry in my Top 5 vocalists. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 05.10.15 @ 00:20am


Will the Streetlight People and South Detroit keep them out of the Hall of Fame?

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 05.20.15 @ 09:08am


How the hell does Green Day get in before Journey

Posted by Mike Franklin on Sunday, 05.31.15 @ 00:50am


JOURNEY GOT ME THROUGH A LOT OF TOUGH TIMES. JUST LISTEN TO THE SONGS AND HERE WHAT THEY SAY. ITS ALL ABOUT LOVE AND LOST LOVES. NEIL PLAYS THAT GUITAR LIKE A MAD MAN AND PERRY SINGS LIKE NO OTHER. ITS ALL BULLSHITT

Posted by Mike Franklin on Sunday, 05.31.15 @ 01:05am


Why does the Rolling Stone Album Guide give each one of the Journey studio albums either 1 or 2 stars out of 5? Did they not play their instruments correctly? I'm not a music expert. I don't know what to check for when listening to a song.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 05.31.15 @ 13:57pm


I think Journey will be squeezed out of the 2015 Nominees List again. This should be a real stacked ballot with groups such as Chicago, Deep Purple, Roxy Music, Yes trying to get in and possible repeat nominees like The Spinners & War appearing once again. It helps that Journey has a strong and vocal fan base. The Journey songs have stood the test of time...Wheel In The Sky,Don't Stop Believing, Separate Ways, Any Way You Want It etc. Journey will be circled as well as a dozen other artists and groups who could sneak a spot. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 06.6.15 @ 01:58am


Journey needs to be in the Hall...are you serious? Easily one of the best bands of all time and they are not in the Hall...wtf!

Posted by Mac on Wednesday, 06.17.15 @ 08:43am


Saw Journey live on the infinity, departure, escape, tours if you ever saw steve perry live you have to be very concerned about the credibility of the hall of fame if this band is not in the hall..Besides Chicago this is the biggest travesty or snub of all, Both bands are excellent talent ask Randy Jackson he should know hes worked with everyone In the business..A invite to the hall may bring Steve back for a final performance.

Posted by chris on Saturday, 09.12.15 @ 11:21am


Kit, you are certainly allowed to your opinion. You think Journey sucks. Fine. But your delivery sucks. No level of maturity and lack of common courtesy to others who do like the band, makes the value of your opinion less than zero.

Posted by Lisa on Tuesday, 01.26.16 @ 17:36pm


Journey

01. Neal Schon (1973-Present: guitar, vocals; Santana, Schon & Hammer, Hagar Schon Aaronson Shrieve, Bad English)
02. Gregg Rolie (1973-1980: keyboards, vocals; Santana, The Storm)
03. Ross Valory (1973-Present: bass; Frumious Bandersnatch, The Storm)
04. Aynsley Dunbar (1974-1978: drums; Whitesnake, Jefferson Starship)
05. Steve Perry (1977-1998: vocals)
06. Steve Smith (1978-1998: drums; Focus, Steps Ahead, The Storm)
07. Jonathan Cain (1980-Present: keyboards; The Babys; Bad English)

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 05.10.16 @ 02:35am


I can't understand why Journey has not been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame yet! They've been around since at least 1978, that I am aware of, and they were at the peak of their success when Steve Perry joined in 1977. He made them a super group, back in the 80's. His voice is unforgettable, and yet, the band has had several singers to try and top it, to no avail. He should be recognized as the one who put them on the music map, so to speak. Even their former manager said something to that effect himself! They should definitely have their place in there. With Steve and Gregg. Aynsley Dunbar left not long after Steve joined. His loss. They need to be there. That's it, I'm done. Thank you.

Posted by Donna M. Burck on Friday, 07.22.16 @ 22:42pm


Journey

01. Neal Schon (1973-Present: guitar, vocals; Santana, Schon & Hammer, Hagar Schon Aaronson Shrieve, Bad English)
02. Ross Valory (1973-Present: bass; Frumious Bandersnatch, The Storm)
03. Gregg Rolie (1973-1980: keyboards, vocals; Santana, The Storm)
04. Aynsley Dunbar (1974-1978: drums; Whitesnake, Jefferson Starship)
05. Steve Perry (1977-1998: vocals)
06. Steve Smith (1978-1998: drums; Focus, Steps Ahead, The Storm)
07. Jonathan Cain (1980-Present: keyboards; The Babys; Bad English)

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 07.26.16 @ 06:32am


https://www.rockhall.com/nominee/journey

THE INDUCTEES

Journey

01. Neal Schon (1973-Present: guitar, vocals; Santana, Bad English)
02. Ross Valory (1973-Present: bass; Frumious Bandersnatch, The Storm)
03. Gregg Rolie (1973-1980: keyboards, vocals; Santana, The Storm)
04. Aynsley Dunbar (1974-1978: drums; Whitesnake, Jefferson Starship)
05. Steve Perry (1977-1998: vocals)
06. Steve Smith (1978-1998: drums; Focus, Steps Ahead, The Storm)
07. Jonathan Cain (1980-Present: keyboards; The Babys; Bad English)

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.19.16 @ 03:56am


Everyone is being inducted except for Steve Perry's three replacements. Good!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.19.16 @ 04:44am


Journey will win the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame online fan poll!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.26.16 @ 05:16am


Aynsley Dunbar: Drummer

01. The Bluesbreakers: 1967-1971
02. The Mothers Of Invention: 1970-1974
03. Journey: 1975-1978
04. Jefferson Starship: 1979-1982
05. Whitesnake: 1985-1987

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.26.16 @ 05:37am


Gregg Rolie will be voting for himself.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.27.16 @ 13:17pm


I wonder if bands like Heart, Rush, Cheap Trick, Deep Purple, Chicago, Blondie, The Pretenders, The Police, Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Guns N Roses, Green Day and the Red Hot Chilli Peppers will vote for Journey.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.27.16 @ 20:18pm


In my opinion, Journey is the only one of this year's nominees that doesn't deserve to be inducted. The only reason anyone should consider them would be because the Hall forgot to induct Neal Schon with Santana.

Posted by Max on Friday, 10.28.16 @ 16:48pm


Santana will vote for Journey.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.28.16 @ 20:50pm


http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7557778/journey-rock-hall-of-fame-nomination-members?utm_source=twitter

Why is Billboard magazine saying that Aynsley Dunbar isn't being considered for induction with Journey when he is listed with Journey on the Rock Hall website?

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.28.16 @ 22:47pm


https://www.rockhall.com/nominee/journey

Is Aynsley Dunbar nominated or not?

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.28.16 @ 23:07pm


Aynsley Dunbar is nominated Billboard didn't check their facts.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 10.28.16 @ 23:42pm


Dunbar drums for Journey not at their peak and is nominated.

Dave Abbruzzese drums for Pearl Jam at their peak (on much more popular and critically acclaimed albums) and is not nominated.

I'm sorry, that doesn't make a lick of sense.

Posted by Sean on Saturday, 10.29.16 @ 15:31pm


Sean wrote:

Dunbar drums for Journey not at their peak and is nominated.

Dave Abbruzzese drums for Pearl Jam at their peak (on much more popular and critically acclaimed albums) and is not nominated.

I'm sorry, that doesn't make a lick of sense.

Saturday, 10.29.16 @ 15:31pm


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Neither does no Kelly Groucutt, Mik Kaminski, Hugh McDowell, Mel(vyn) Gale or Louis Clark make a lick of sense for Electric Light Orchestra's nomination, an orchestra without any bassist, violin, cellos and conductor during their 1973-1986 heyday, WTF?!

>:-(

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 10.29.16 @ 19:28pm


ON JOURNEY: It's looking like a Journey induction will happen in December. Journey is leading the FAN VOTE which is impressive considering the ballot. The FAN VOTE LEADER has been a strong indicator for induction in recent years. Steve Perry one of the best singers in his time. It's looking for another outstanding year for Classic Rock fans and Prog. Journey & ELO look like certain inductees as a flood of recent Classic Rock inductees will vote for these bands. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 10.29.16 @ 19:54pm


Remember back in July when the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame got a new layout for their website and so many of the inductee pages were fckd up with names of artists who were not inducted with certain bands, or inducted members whose names went missing from the list of inductees for certain bands.

I really hope this is not what is going on with Aynsley Dunbar. He is listed to be inducted with Journey on the Rock Hall website. This better be true. Billboard thinks he is not being considered, and Rolling Stone only mentioned Gregg Rolie as the other member of Journey being considered for induction along with the 5-member classic line-up from the 80s. Rolling Stone did not mention Aynsley Dunbar.


About Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Roy wrote:
https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/joan-jett-blackhearts

Someone needs to be fired for this sick joke! According to the new Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame website, the inducted members of the Blackhearts are Thommy Price, Kasim Sulton, and Sami Yaffa.
Sunday, 07.17.16 @ 21:53pm

CORRECTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE

Posted by Roy on Monday, 07.18.16 @ 20:33pm

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.30.16 @ 20:14pm


Did anyone else see this?!

Headline:JOURNEY KEYBOARDIST (Jonathan Cain): STEVE PERRY MUST FRONT BAND AT ROCK HALL INDUCTION

http://womc.cbslocal.com/2016/10/28/journey-keyboardist-steve-perry-must-front-band-at-rock-hall-induction/

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 10.31.16 @ 12:56pm


Could be jinxing the band, commenting like they're in.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 10.31.16 @ 17:54pm


King,

Its good to see you on here. I do agree. Its looking like a Journey induction will happen next month. Its looking like another outstanding Year for Classic Rock fans and also Prog. Journey were one of the Best bands of the late 70s and the 80s. I am predicting ELO and Journey for certain induction. A flood of recent Classic Rock inductees and ones further back will vote for Journey.

Heart, Rush, Cheap Trick Deep Purple and Chicago surely will. Also, acts like Fleetwood Mac, Santana, Billy Joel, Aerosmith , Blondie and Van Halen will vote for Journey.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11.14.16 @ 08:53am


http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/10/rock_roll_hall_of_fame_2017_jo.html

Even Neal Schon thinks Aynsley Dunbar isn't being considered for induction, according to this:

Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2017: Journey open to reunion with Steve Perry

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.4.16 @ 19:48pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lhy3PJstMk

Is Steve Perry Rejoining Journey? Carlos Santana Is Trying to Make it Happen

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.4.16 @ 23:15pm


Dunbar needs to be inducted. Pineda? No.

They should play Winds of March from the Infinity Album (1978).

I defy anyone to listen to that song and then say "Journey Sucks."

Posted by Mark on Tuesday, 12.6.16 @ 18:12pm


Dunbar needs to be inducted. Pineda? No.

They should play Winds of March from the Infinity Album (1978).

I defy anyone to listen to that song and then say "Journey Sucks."

Posted by Mark on Tuesday, 12.6.16 @ 18:13pm


https://www.rockhall.com/nominee/journey

This could be the first time that the media says a member of a band is not being considered for induction, when in fact he is. I guess we won't know the real answer until the induction ceremony. Todd Mesek, Director of Marketing at Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum didn't respond to my email concerning Aynsley Dunbar's name being listed for consideration for induction on the Rock Hall's website, while Rolling Stone, Billboard and Cleveland.com say he isn't being considered.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.6.16 @ 19:22pm


http://www.celebritynetworth.com

NET WORTH RANKINGS

01. Steve Perry: $45 Million
02. Neal Schon: $40 Million
03. Ross Valory: $30 Million
04. Jonathan Cain: $30 Million

05. Gregg Rolie: UNDER REVIEW
06. Aynsley Dunbar: UNDER REVIEW
07. Steve Smith: UNDER REVIEW

$145 Million

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.18.16 @ 03:15am


Per the R&R HoF website, Aynsley Dunbar is included among the inductees.

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/journey

Posted by Joe on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 23:03pm


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/blogs/staff-blog/rolling-stones-list-of-the-25-undisputed-guilty-pleasure-bands-20070409

Rolling Stone's List of the 25 Undisputed Guilty Pleasure Bands

Journey is the fifth act from Rolling Stone’s 2008 List of the 25 Undisputed Guilty Pleasure Bands to be inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. The first was ABBA, the second was Rush, the third was Daryl Hall and John Oates, the fourth was Chicago.

Some of us still have a thing for Rush or Paula Abdul or RuPaul. That’s cool. To each his or her own and all that. But there are some artists who unequivocally leave much to be desired in terms of, say, quality or coolness, but still manage to rock, or at least inspire serious if shameful adoration on a mass scale. It’s these artists that we’re interested in. Artists who absolutely belong on a best guilty pleasures ever list, because that’s what we’re creating.

Those of you who proudly listen to Rush at top volume in your car all summer long, (ie thereby displaying the total lack of guilty in your pleasure), take note:? Rush come in at Number One on our official list of the Rock’s Undisputed Guilty Pleasure Bands. Like the rest of the acts on our list (which you helped put together), we love them to death, and can never forgive ourselves. The full list:

1. Rush
2. Electric Light Orchestra
3. Journey
4. ABBA
5. Chicago
6. Boston
7. Foreigner
8. Bread
9. Bon Jovi
10. New Edition
11. The Monkees
12. Motley Crue
13. STYX
14. Eddie Money
15. Simply Red
16. Kelly Clarkson
17. America
18. Wham!
19. R.E.O. Speedwagon
20. Poison
21. Lionel Richie
22. Kansas
23. Air Supply
24. Hall & Oates
25. Britney Spears

Posted by Roy on Monday, 01.23.17 @ 20:23pm


If not Carlos Santana, then Sammy Hagar should be the presenter for Journey. There is a connection there. John Waite maybe?

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 01.29.17 @ 19:50pm


Journey is a lowest common denominator inductee, and the choice of presenter should reflect that.

Cue Kid Rock.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 01.30.17 @ 12:28pm


Either him, or Matthew Morrison and Lea Michele. "Glee" is really what helped catapult Journey back into the American consciousness, so having them induct Journey together would be just as fitting.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 01.30.17 @ 12:56pm


I think Bob Dylan should induct Journey.

Posted by Classic Rock on Monday, 01.30.17 @ 13:11pm


Carlos Santana, Sammy Hagar, Jon Bon Jovi (or the whole band) should give the induction speech for Journey.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 01.30.17 @ 23:41pm


The person who inducts Journey should be knowledgable about the band's pre-Steve Perry albums.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02.2.17 @ 20:39pm


http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200

Journey's 1988 Greatest Hits album went to # 10 on the Billboard 200 Albums Chart. It's been on the chart for 445 weeks. It is currently at # 106. Why do people keep buying it if they already have it?

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02.4.17 @ 19:39pm


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/watch-steve-perry-declares-his-love-for-oh-sherrie-w465472

Flashback: Steve Perry Declares His Love for 'Oh Sherrie'
Tribute to his real-life girlfriend kickstarted the Journey frontman's brief solo career

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02.7.17 @ 23:14pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXykpa8WyT0

Journey Lights Don't Stop Believin' on Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2017

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 04.30.17 @ 15:39pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35qXOycoLBM

Journey's Steve Perry at Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2017

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 04.30.17 @ 15:41pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFdemFi-zJw

"Rockin' the Free World" Super Jam - 2017 Induction Ceremony Full Performance

Posted by Roy on Monday, 05.22.17 @ 12:24pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26ULwtFWNMg

Journey Tribute Film + Journey Rock Hall Induction Speeches 2017

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 05.27.17 @ 04:20am



Aynsley Dunbar mis-spoke at the beginning of his acceptance speech. He hopes he could be as funny as Chris Squire he said. He meant to say Rick Wakeman. Chris Squire is dead.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 06.10.17 @ 16:39pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XyCKJ-Z9dA

Journey Induction Acceptance Speeches - 2017 Rock Hall Inductions

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 06.10.17 @ 17:22pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySUftENpU3o

Pat Monahan Inducts Journey into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame - 2017

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 06.25.17 @ 10:03am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgDXwwa96_4

Peter Cetera Gives Hope To Steve Perry Fans

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 07.27.17 @ 14:11pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuR0NDtZLrE

Big Trouble in Journey After 3 Members visit White House : Schon Not Happy

Posted by Roy on Monday, 07.31.17 @ 05:47am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZd_Lxa58TM

Neal Schon Is Back on Twitter Destroying What's Left of Journey

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 08.2.17 @ 20:51pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7i0GCQxg5Y

Intuitive Speculation: Steve Perry and David Foster

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 08.2.17 @ 20:52pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uv3P9gDBnQ

Is Journey Ready To Break Up? Neal Schon Is Really Mad Now

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 08.6.17 @ 01:42am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uv3P9gDBnQ

Is Journey Ready To Break Up? Neal Schon Is Really Mad Now

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 08.9.17 @ 12:32pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYTZnJ1W_MY

Peter Cetera Versus Steve Perry

Posted by Roy on Monday, 08.28.17 @ 07:51am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AEYmqQQrX4

Steve Perry Derangement Syndrome

Posted by Roy on Friday, 09.22.17 @ 09:48am


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