People seriously voted yes...?

Posted by cc on Saturday, 03.31.07 @ 20:47pm

i know rlly who would vote yes to this? god people with no talent or taste

all of u who voted yes should vote yes to AFI because theyre awesome and so much better than gay-z

Posted by cm on Saturday, 03.31.07 @ 20:49pm

Meh...one of my favorite rappers...but he hasn't really done much with the rock industry so I really can't give him the nod for the hall.

Posted by maplejet on Thursday, 04.5.07 @ 15:19pm

Could somebody please explain to me why this dork, of all people, is SO successful and popular? Just read that he broke Elvis' record of the most #1 Albums in the States. Phhheeeewww!! I just don't get it, man! I mean, his rapping is absolutely boring and annoying. He has absolutely nothing to say except "Check out my Bling-Bling" blah blah blah, "I'm fucking CEO of fucking Shawn Dickhead Enterprises" blah blah blah, "Check out my bitch Beyonce" blah blah blah, "I came, I saw, I conquered, from record sales, to sold out concerts" blah blah blah "I'll retire... NOT" blah blah blah...

What more can I say?

In a perfect world, The Roots and The Pharcyde would have Jay-Z's props... Word!

Posted by denyo on Friday, 11.16.07 @ 16:55pm

"Could somebody please explain to me why this dork, of all people, is SO successful and popular?"

Because people (esp 14-24 year olds) are sheep - morons - lemmings. They "like" what they think they should to be hip. That is the only explanation for why so much egregiously SHITTY product (I won't dignify it by letting it be called music) is so ubiquitously popular.

That, or there is a pandemic of legitimately horrible taste. But I doubt that. Here's an example of how we (meaning the radio/buying population at large) conform our tastes to what's in the air: an INXS song came on a week ago and my 15 year old daughter scowled and said, "Ugh - what's this?" I told her that in the this was a very popular tune in 1986, and tried to uliminate her that had she been 15 in the 80's, she too would have liked it - that what we find cool vs dated is so relative to the era we live in, particularly high school through college age.

She didn't believe me. She will in 15 more years when her kids hear "Rockstar" by Nickelbacl or "My Humps" and go, "What the hell was that?!".

Posted by shwan on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 10:05am

Right. Forgot about that. It still kinda freaks me out, though. Not that I'd mind anyone's success. Couldn't care less about that. It just bugs me that the majority of people is still listening to some consensus crap without ever knowing that there's so much great music around, no matter how old. That guy is like the Robbie Williams of Hip-Hop.

Posted by denyo on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 19:21pm

For my part, it sounds like hip-hop stations are playing the same "song" over and over...it all sounds the same...how boring is that?? No originality!! They should use it in interrogation rooms...as torture!!

Posted by Terry on Sunday, 02.3.08 @ 14:47pm

Terry, I bet your parents (or grandparents) were saying the same thing about rock and roll back in the 50's and 60's. Old people never understand that tastes of youth and never will. That's part of the appeal.

Posted by mel on Tuesday, 02.5.08 @ 08:24am

Hey mel...I have to readily admit that it took rap to turn me into my father, a fact I find particularly ANNOYING...lol!!!!!

Posted by Terry on Tuesday, 02.5.08 @ 20:01pm

Jay Z is an appropriate name cuz all I can think of is Zzzzzzzz
Zzzzzzz.....

Zzzz.....

Posted by JayZ Sucks on Tuesday, 08.26.08 @ 11:49am

To Hell with Jay-Z!!!!

He can scrap

Posted by Finkles on Saturday, 08.30.08 @ 12:01pm

He will be elegible 2014.He made his debut 1989.He was the DJ for Hip-Hop artist Jaz.You Tube the video Hawiian Sophie.I think he should get in he's been dropping hit albums 10 years in a row.Hopefully who ever inducts him will do it with more energy than him when he inducted
Flash.
To anyone that don't want any Hip-Hop in the Hall Of Fame I think. I know why.When people hear Rock and Roll they think its something White guys invented.I remember growing up getting clowned by my friends because I listened to Rock or what they would call white boy music.If I knew then what I know now,I would have told them that artist like Little Richard'Bo Diddly,Chuck Berry,Ike Turner(Before he lost his mind)Jimmy Hendrix and The Isley Brothers(yes they did Rock and still Rock)not only did Rock but invented it.They were Rock and Roll.Over the years we(Black People)lost interest in it!Artist like Elvis(The King?)and Pat Boone were the flavor of the day.Hip-Hop is the only genre of music that white people don't dominate.Hip-Hop is from the ghetto you have to be in the urban areas to really get it.I think if there were more White Hip-Hop artist there wouldn't be a problem with it.I think its a Race thing and a Class issue.If there was a Hip-Hop Hall Of Fame I wouldn't have a problem letting Rock artist in.Rock artist do influence Hip-Hop.Some even defend it.Case and point David Bowie(
They really get it over seas) asking an MTV VJ about the lack of Black Artist on that network.Good music is good music those of you that are closed minded about things Its your lost

Posted by Leon on Friday, 09.5.08 @ 02:40am

O.O
53% yes????????????
Induction chances: 53%????????????
or i am blind?
something is seriously wrong here...

Posted by Jana on Friday, 10.31.08 @ 13:41pm

re Leons comments: you say people think Rock and Rock is "something White guys invented."

well I don't know who those "people" are? do you think thats reason for a bias against hip-hop? I know a lot of people don't like hip-hop, they don't think it really is rock and roll (or rock). I watched VH1's countdown of Top 100 Hip-hop songs on television ... open-minded to it. watched most all of #56 on up to #1. here's why I don't like it much (w/ few exceptions):
* most the artists cannot sing - Lauren Hill, Mary Blige, maybe Queen Latifah are exceptions
* many of the rimes are jive - the #1 song Fight the Power said "Elvis Presley is a racist" - but much of what I hear from rappers is charged with racist and sexist lyrics. who wants to listen to that?
* they don't have instruments. any compelling music is usually sampled (aka ripped-off) stuff

to me rap is just poetry with a beat behind it (is hip-hop something different)? I don't dismiss it completely. I have the Method Man' Tical CD and it has a lot of bite and musicality. most other stuff is 2nd rate (my opinion). and why do all the rappers get in gun battles??? maybe cause they "sing" about and glorify violence constantly.
hip-hop or rap is not an offshoot of rock. at best rock should sample from rap, not the other way around. Run DMC infused some rap into Walk This Way but the Aerosmith music was the main component in it.
sorry, but I think hip-hop has reached the saturation point and will probably go the way of disco in not too much more time.

Posted by benny on Friday, 10.31.08 @ 20:14pm

So you guys who say Jay-z should not be in ... I want to hear your opinions on Run-DMC. Do they not deserve to be in the Hall?

Posted by Andrew on Tuesday, 01.6.09 @ 14:30pm

Run-D.M.C., yes. You can say that the contributions they made were very germane to the perpetuation of Rock'n'Roll, even if they themselves weren't rockers. I'm not sure if the same could be said for Jay-Z.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 01.6.09 @ 15:20pm

I've already posted this on several pages (Slick Rick being the one I can remember) but I'll say it again: This IS a rock & roll hall of fame. I do not have any issue whatsoever w/hip-hop getting in, providing that the artists in question actively engage the rock music process.

Let me put it this way: many who post on here for hip-hop in the Rock Hall secretly want a hip-hop hall to be established. If there was one, hypothetically, and it had the same set up as the rock hall, there would be a place for early influences. Many of these would be rock oriented, ala' Aerosmith (courtesy of Run DMC). Would you necessarily induct a band like Foghat as an early influence on hip-hop? There would be no logic at all in doing that, since Foghat never did anything for hip-hop.

Now take that same logic and invert it for the rock hall. Just what did Jay-Z actually do FOR ROCK? Nothing. Neither did Biggie, Tupac, Eminem. If you can hear the direct influence on rock (Grandmaster Flash - turntable cutting & scratching) then I say place them in. Run D.M.C. is another excellent case where you can hear the merging of the two in a fresh new way, so yes to them getting in.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 01.6.09 @ 15:33pm

Maybe N.W.A. and Public Enemy in the future induction process. That's about it for Rap's influence on Rock and Pop music. Beasties and Bambaata.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Tuesday, 01.6.09 @ 16:47pm

Easy there Cheese - you know how some people hate logic on this board ;-)

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 01.6.09 @ 19:29pm

Jay-Z, like a lotta rappers, is very into his image. He somehow got himself invited to Glastonbury last year. I guess he was a man on a mission to prove something? So he hired a band, took stage and immediately proceeded to wreck the song "Wonderwall" by Oasis. Then he did a rock version of his hit "99 Problems." The crowd went along, but to me the performance was painful. Only thing he proved (to me) is that he is NOT a rock star! Heres the video link if you need to prove it to yorself:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrDIOVXx-y8

Sorry Jay-Z, but Im not feelin ya as a rocker.

Posted by Telarock on Tuesday, 01.6.09 @ 20:21pm

If he do get in I hope who ever inducts him does a the same half ass job he did when he inducted The Furious 5!

Posted by Leon on Wednesday, 01.7.09 @ 17:25pm

Anyone who thinks jay-z is one of these new-school morons like lil wayne and 50 Cent is likely ignorant to jay-z's career.Is he overrated?a little bit.Is he bad?Far from it.Reasonable Doubt,The Black Album,and The Blueprint are all great albums.
And what makes Run-Dmc and The Beastie Boys better than him?Jay-z is clearly a superior emcee to anyone accosiated with either group.
He has a good delivery,a nice flow,and is a sharp and witty lyricist.Personally I would like to see Nas get in and not jay-z though.People around here tend to discredit 90s hip-hop for some reason.I just never here anyone mention it on this website.

Posted by Antonio on Friday, 02.6.09 @ 12:25pm

You people must not know anything about Hip Hop let alone Jay-Z.Cause if you did you would know Hov is the most influential rapper alive.If you asked your favorite rapper who he look up 2 the most in the game he would most likely say Jay-Z.Jay-Z not only has the most impressive catalog in hip hop history but has sold over 50 million records 3rd only to Tupac n Eminem.Lets get real for people who bring up the he's 2 commercialized,So,Em is Pac was Biggie was and even Nas.if you sold multiplatinum records you're commercial.But that was these artist intent 2 be successful.And Jay-Z has done things for rock from mash albums w/ LP 2 colabs w/ Cold play.He exposed a young hip hop audience 2 rock.So yes Jay should be in the Rock H of F

Posted by Cyrus on Saturday, 06.20.09 @ 23:15pm

Cyrus, is he influential only to other rappers or is he influential to the whole of Rock And Roll music? If the former, then no, he should not be enshrined. If the latter, then yes. IMO, for his sampling of Annie, and for his half-hearted Blackberry speech for GF&TFF, he should have a restraining order keeping him at least 100 miles from the Museum itself in Cleveland.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 06.21.09 @ 06:47am

"Ether"

Posted by Joe-Skee on Sunday, 06.21.09 @ 13:01pm

Philip,is he influential to R & R music as an whole?Definitely not but what do you expect he's a Rapper not a Rocker.Hip Hop inspires Hip Hop n Rock inspires Rock that is just the way it is.But good music is good music no matter what the genre.Although few Rock artists acknowledge him LP,Cold Play,Fall Out Boy,Travis Barker,KId Rock and even the great Paul McCartney performed with him.Not 2 mention Oasis now LOL.Besides how many rock musician are influenced by GF&TFF?or by any rapper for that much.Men lie,Women lie,#'s don't~Jayz.Give the man his cred.

Posted by Cyrus on Sunday, 06.21.09 @ 22:41pm

"Philip,is he influential to R & R music as an whole? Definitely not"--Cyrus

Then he really shouldn't be inducted.

"but what do you expect he's a Rapper not a Rocker.Hip Hop inspires Hip Hop n Rock inspires Rock that is just the way it is."

Bulls***. Grandmaster Flash himself took the hooks from rock'n'roll records from artists like Queen and Blondie, as well as other Rock'n'roll/R&B records. Run-D.M.C. said that they used rock records because they had the best beats. Eminem's music incorporates rock stylings. Kid Rock's early recordings used a rapper's vocal delivery. And don't tell me OutKast's "Bombs Over Baghdad" has nothing rock about it.

"But good music is good music no matter what the genre.Although few Rock artists acknowledge him LP,Cold Play,Fall Out Boy,Travis Barker,KId Rock and even the great Paul McCartney performed with him.Not 2 mention Oasis now LOL."

IMO, that doesn't mean his music is good. I just have no love for the jigga man myself.

"Besides how many rock musician are influenced by GF&TFF?or by any rapper for that much."

How about R.E.M.? Michael Stipe himself when he was inducted mentioned how he owned the very first GF&TFF album and took something from it.

"Men lie,Women lie,#'s don't~Jayz.Give the man his cred."

#'s don't lie? How about the three kinds of lies: regular lies, damnable lies, and statistics? Ever heard that expression before? Not to mention a record label's practice in doctoring the numbers so that a song or album will have a huge debut number on the charts? Oh yes, numbers can definitely lie. And I'll give the man his cred when he earns it.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 06.26.09 @ 19:36pm

Philip, You'll give the man his credit when he earns it?Like he hasn't already have.The man has had arguably the best Rap career ever.His Hip Hop catalog is the best in history.And are saying Hov has had no rock influence in his music?Cuz if you are you need 2 read up on your history.Plus are you saying he manipulated his career and his success?WTF are you serious?Stop playing into conspiracy theories & focus on the facts.Also you only gave me only one ex. for Gf&TTF and no other rapper that had inspired Rock artist's.And for the record Eminem has an way inferior track record with rock music then Jay-z. And you just said you got no love for jigga.So it is clear that you are a hater and wouldn't admit Jay-z has done or deserve anything.Obviously pointed out by your conspiracy theory. Give me a break (-_-)

Posted by Cyrus on Saturday, 06.27.09 @ 14:33pm

"Plus are you saying he manipulated his career and his success?WTF are you serious?Stop playing into conspiracy theories & focus on the facts"

Did he do it? Not necessarily. But it is a fact that record labels buy a large quantity of their own products to give an artist's song or album a higher debut slot on the Billboard charts. A higher debut slot means more likely to climb higher. It's a fact of the industry.

"Also you only gave me only one ex. for Gf&TTF and no other rapper that had inspired Rock artist's."

How many do you need? That is just one easy example to point out. I also mentioned Kid Rock, too, for that matter. Not to mention the entire genre of "speed metal" which combines hip-hop elements with heavy metal. Do a quick scan of all the artists in the speed metal genre. All of them fall under the banner of being influenced by hip-hop artists.

And Eminem simply hasn't been around as long as Jay-Z. It really isn't a fair comparison to say that at this point.

"And you just said you got no love for jigga.So it is clear that you are a hater and wouldn't admit Jay-z has done or deserve anything"

Well, he was good in "State Property." Does that count for anything? I'm just not a fan of his music. But I'm not a fan of Madonna, Aretha Franklin, Neil Young, Janis Joplin, Joni Mitchell, but I willingly admit that all of those artists deserved their Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction. I can separate personal emotion.

"Obviously pointed out by your conspiracy theory. Give me a break (-_-) "

That 'conspiracy theory' is a common practice in the music industry. I'm sorry this is so frustrating to you, but it's a fact. I simply don't believe a few collaborations with rock artists is substantial enough. Sorry if that cheeses you so much, but I'm not seeing a good reason.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 06.27.09 @ 15:42pm

I think one problem that the genre of rap has at this point in time is saturation...there are simply too many of them...and there are no clear-cut "leaders of the pack", none that stand head & shoulders above the rest.

Quite frankly, I don't know if I'd know Jay-Z if I heard him on the radio...a surprising fact given my life-long involvement (either listening or playing) in popular music.

I'm still waiting for that kid sitting on the edge of his bed right now whose gonna come along and make everyone go...WOW!!!! There haven't been any of those lately...not a lot of pioneering going on right now...

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 06.27.09 @ 16:03pm

Hey Philip if you're not a you're just not an fan.But you'll be hard press to find any other single emcee that deserves to be in the R & R HOF more then Hov.I am a huge hip hop fan but a even larger fan of music. And I don't think the rap game is completely saturated. It's a lot of up and new comers like Charles Hamilton,B.o.B,Asher Roth and Lupe Fiasco who is undoubtedly the best rapper to come out in the last decade.HE is just starting to make his mark.Plus they're plenty of vets still in the game like Nas,Hov,Eminem,Cube,Andre 3 stacks,Common and so fourth.I feel Def. feel better about the game then I did a few years ago.People always say it shit on the radio which is mostly true.But the radio has always had an bad wrap.

Posted by Cyrus on Saturday, 06.27.09 @ 22:24pm

"Hey Philip if you're not a you're just not an fan.But you'll be hard press to find any other single emcee that deserves to be in the R & R HOF more then Hov.I am a huge hip hop fan but a even larger fan of music."

Well, I can at least respect that last part there. And I think you have a strong point, but I don't agree fully with it. I think we'd be more hard-pressed to find a single emcee more likely to actually be inducted than Jay-Z.

But with the possible exceptions of 2 Live Crew and Sir Mix-A-Lot, I doubt there's a hip-hop act more responsible than Jay-Z for turning the format into the quagmire of mindless booty music that it now is. Just my opinion.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 06.27.09 @ 23:24pm

Philip "I doubt there's a hip-hop act more responsible than Jay-Z for turning the format into the quagmire of mindless booty music that it now is. Just my opinion." What?You can't be serious.I'll admit Hov has had his little part in it.With videos like big pimpin and some bits of it in 99 Problems but that was more video then lyrical content.Artist like Ying Yang Twins,ludacris,Nelly,Lil Wayne,The hot boys,Birdman,Mystikal,And Master P. and countless others are to blame way more than Jay-z.Come on even you would have to admit that.

Posted by Cyrus on Sunday, 06.28.09 @ 01:13am

I would admit it if they'd been around as he has. My head's f***** killing me right now, so thinking clearly's a little difficult, but hasn't he been around since the early 90s? I don't think any of the others have (maybe Master P).

But the other half of the equation is that none of those have been as successful or had the staying power that he has. He's been able to do it more, and has done it more for those reasons. I'm not sure if I can express myself the way I mean to, but it seems that because he's been more successful he's been able to keep doing it more. And has done more of it. Therefore, I place more of the blame with him.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 06.28.09 @ 01:41am

I think he's a genius.

Posted by chase on Thursday, 10.8.09 @ 12:19pm

I think he's a genius.

Posted by chase on Thursday, 10.8.09 @ 12:19pm

You're right, "he" is a genius (By "he" I take it you mean Nikola Tesla?)

Posted by Keebord on Friday, 10.9.09 @ 00:15am

Music cannot be separated into distinct categories as easily as a lot of people seem to think. Especially with this generation, people don't have any loyalty to a specific genre. Most people just seek out songs and artists they like, and don't worry about what genre it's labeled as. Many kids that grew up listening to Jay-Z are gonna form rock bands and be influenced by his music, as all musicians are influenced by the music they grew up listening too. In the future the lines between genres is only going to continue to blur.

Posted by Kevin on Monday, 11.9.09 @ 15:30pm

Rock 'n roll? He's a rap artist!! Do you think any rapper is interested in your 'hall of fame'? They're just happy getting hundreds of millions for rhyming about guns,girls and cars. So you guys need to discuss Taylor Swift or sumtn..........

Posted by Coriba 13 on Tuesday, 11.24.09 @ 05:30am

Since there are rap artists in the list of Future Rock Legends, why the hell is 2 Live Crew NOT there? They are more than deserving of a nomination as they influenced rap - they had a brilliant sense of humor and kicked down the door for dirty lyrics in hip hop, plus they have fun beats that actually stand the test of time. Go to Youtube and you'll find comments saying this stuff is still good or cool even though they did not hear them for like 20 years or so... I'm not sure how many rappers can enjoy this perception from listeners...

Posted by Antonio Santos on Friday, 03.5.10 @ 20:38pm

The most overrated rapper in the history of rap has no place in the ROCK N ROLL hall of fame.

Posted by Dan on Sunday, 08.1.10 @ 19:55pm

How can you vote for Jay-Z? I thought this was predictions to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame... not Rap Hall of Fame. Inductees to this prestigous hall of fame and museum are artists that play rock and roll, not gibberish about getting shot or some woman he/she choked the other day. That, is certainly not rock and roll.

Posted by Joshua Clark on Friday, 08.20.10 @ 21:44pm