Foreigner

Not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

Eligible since: 2002 (The 2003 Induction Ceremony)

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Double Vision (1978)
4 (1981)

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Cold As Ice (1977)
Double Vision (1978)
Hot Blooded (1978)
Urgent (1981)
Juke Box Hero (1981)
I Want to Know What Love Is (1984)

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Will Foreigner be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
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PRobably my least favorite band ever. Why, Ian MacDonald, why?

Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 11.15.06 @ 15:59pm


Personal like or dislike has nothing to do with anything

Idiot

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 03.25.07 @ 11:11am


Way to reply to a four month old comment with nothing worthwhile to say. You're really creepy, do you know that?

Posted by Kit on Sunday, 03.25.07 @ 11:55am


I think pointing out that your personal like or dislike of a band has nothing to do with HOF induction is relevant. The fact that it is four months old is just a stupid thing to say. Uh, lets see...it was posted four months later because that is when I saw it. Talk about "nothing worthwhile to say."

Plus, you are the one who said: "Probably my least favorite band ever. Why, Ian MacDonald, why" and "Journey Sucks"

Talk about no elaboration.....idiot

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 04.28.07 @ 12:53pm


Hey Kit,

With this mouth breather Anonymous your best bet is to try something like, "I know you are, but what am I?..."
It'll save you a lot of wasted effort.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 14:00pm


Actually, your best bet is to ignore him until he makes points, which is something I reccomend to you. This pissing contest isn't doing anyone any good.

Posted by Kit on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 15:29pm


Agreed, Kit. I let it get out of hand.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 09:01am


Kit on Bon Jovi: "Can we please find another mediocre band to talk about endlessly?"

Kit would like to discuss Foreigner for a while!

Posted by shawn mc on Wednesday, 05.23.07 @ 15:05pm


Did anyone ever show that poor guy what love is?

Posted by A-Killa on Tuesday, 09.4.07 @ 09:03am


A British and American band...Go figure.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Thursday, 11.15.07 @ 10:54am


"Personal like or dislike has nothing to do with anything"

Really? Just one point: Who's going to argue in favour of a band they hate?

Posted by liam on Thursday, 11.15.07 @ 11:15am


I'm not too crazy for them. Their first album was pretty good but I think the rest of their material was just generic.

Posted by eric on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 23:28pm


It's actually surprising that they haven't even been nominated yet, because isn't their lead singer a good friend of Jann Wenners? I'm pretty sure I read that on the main page of this site before.

Posted by Fish license on Tuesday, 01.1.08 @ 22:47pm


THIS GUY KIT IS THE SAME GUY WHO WAS DISSING THE WILSON SISTERS ON THE HEART MESSAGE BOARDS!!!!! GET A LIFE JACKASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by BROWN FERTILIZER on Monday, 01.14.08 @ 22:36pm


Well, maybe they just really weren't that good, how bout that?

Posted by denyo on Wednesday, 07.30.08 @ 18:12pm


Denyo - You are right and they aren't.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 07.30.08 @ 18:47pm


If Kit was dissing the Wilson sisters of Heart then he's a genius. As for Foreigner I like "Double Vision"

Posted by qy on Friday, 08.22.08 @ 19:30pm


Foreigner were one of the better '70s supergroups.....Lou Gramm can flat out sing....one of the most underrated singers in rock. Maybe if he didn't sing such "generic" rock he would get more props.I am sure Forigner gets downgraded by y'all snobs because they sold a lot of albums, had like 15 songs crack the top-40 that are still FM staples today and packed stadiums for a whole decade. Too bad they didn't open for the Talking Heads at CBGBs.....then they would be considered genius.....right?

Posted by bquest on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 15:16pm


Sure,there's alot of history there but they were rather average at best.
Not RRHOF worthy

Posted by Ben Dover on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 15:24pm


Ask yourself: would music really be any different if it hadn't been for Foreigner, Toto, Journey etc.?


Hmm...?

Posted by denyo on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 09:51am


"Lou Gramm can flat out sing....one of the most underrated singers in rock"

WTF does that have to do with anything? Just because someone can sing that doesn't necessarily make them Rock & Roll. Should Maria Callas be inducted then, too? Dylan, Hendrix and Cobain all couldn't sing for crap, but they knew how to express themselves and more importantly, they had SOMETHING TO SAY. Do Foreigner have something to say (or any old band of their ilk), except for clichés in rhymes?

"I am sure Forigner gets downgraded by y'all snobs because they sold a lot of albums, had like 15 songs crack the top-40 that are still FM staples today and packed stadiums for a whole decade."

As for myself, I can assure you that selling a lot of albums alone is no reason for downgrading someone. On the contrary: I'd be glad if any artist would have the kind of commercial success he or she deserves on grounds of their talent. The Beatles sold millions and millions but they were actually great. Also note that those FM stations are all commercial stations who are run by conservative radio programmers who need to cater to advertisers rather than to their audience. They're not interested in public service, in musical diversity or providing profound information because that's not profitable so they rather play something safe.

"Too bad they didn't open for the Talking Heads at CBGBs.....then they would be considered genius.....right?"

If they had opened for Talking Heads at CBGBs they'd be a different band.

"Maybe if he didn't sing such "generic" rock he would get more props."

Well, that's sort of the point, innit?

Posted by denyo on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 11:00am


denyo....I agree with everything you state...I really do. I guess I wasn't really waving the flag that Foreigner should be inducted, I know they won't get in because the elitist snobs that vote for this stuff completetly dismisses "corporate rock". It's almost as if these bands are victims of their huge success.But some of these "generic"(that's not my term, that's the term a music snob uses) should be considered because they are the BEST of the BEST of corporate rock. It's not like these corp bands, you know the ones: Foreigner,Styx,Journey,AC/DC, Def leppard etc. were one-hit wonders and disappered into rock obscurity. They had looooooong successful historys. Most are still doing it and we hear them everyday on classic rocks stations 30 years later(right along side Smells Like Teen Spirit by the way). You state that classic rock stations are run by conservative radio programmers that cater to advertisers....I think you got it twisted around. A radio station is a business and if Classic "Commericial" rock bring in the highest Arbitron ratings then the advertisers are just spending their money where the audience is....duh, it's not "safe", it's just good business sense.....so bands like Foreigner are still throwing their influence around 30 years later. I'm sorry that Echo and the Bunnymen and New Order can't hold an audience anymore....some music just eventually fades away...but Foreigner seems to remain....whether "generic" or not.

Posted by bquest on Friday, 10.3.08 @ 16:50pm


I like where bquest is going on Foreigner, so I'll jump in, but with a different take on the affair. Now I have no intention of defending everything that Foreigner did (far from it), but I will defend the early recordings by saying this: when did blues-based hard rock exactly become "corporate" or "generic"? Could Foreigner have known that the style was officially out-of-date? In a post on Boston, MsMusic talked about how AOR went downhill roughly around the mid-70's. My question is, how apparent would it be to the musicians that the style could produce nothing new? I think of two cases that stand out.

On the Dokken page there was a brief fork in the road where the band Argent was mentioned. Argent created a very keyboard heavy psychedelic style in 1972, as acid-rock was fading away to a degree. It stands out as a later acheivement that proves that something still was left w/in the psych. style that was fading away. 25 yrs. later (frightening how it coincides EXACTLY!) as alternative was on the way out, the band Days of the New found a way to make grunge both acoustic & heavy at the same time. Most folks dismissed the album, but I recently heard a song amidst the billionth-generation versions of grunge today, and it truly stood out as amazing! I'm sure if I tried hard enough I could find a pop-metal version of what I described emanating from the early 90's.

I say some of that corporate rock from the second half of the 70's has been dumped on for precisely that reason. Later down the line, these acts might have sought to change their style, so I can't say all the work was worthy, but in 1975, 1976, 1977, who could be sure that this style didn't have some life left in it?

Now if I sounded like a pretentious d*** on this post, clue my dumb-*** in, please! (lmao)

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 10.4.08 @ 05:43am


Now if I sounded like a pretentious d*** on this post, clue my dumb-*** in, please! (lmao)
Posted by Cheesecrop

Not at all,it's cool to read interesting views.
I get longwinded myself,but at times one must if they hope to convey what they're thinking.

Posted by Gary James CA on Saturday, 10.4.08 @ 09:34am


CC - well said! And I would like to add -

By putting up these walls and saying this genre ruined this or that genre ruined that, we seem to forget that music itself should have no boundaries. It doesn't matter if it is simple blue-based music or something truly alternative. If their is a listening audience for it, then the music has some meaning, which in turn perpetuates the artform. And those bands which were the lynchpins should deserve some consideration for this Sham Hall.

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 10.4.08 @ 12:44pm


Cheesecrop....you make an excellent point and state it very well. I doubt that a band like Foreigner was sitting around in 1976 and conspired to write and produce some lame ass music that a bunch of elist snobs would target as corporate rock 30 years later. I can only guess because I was like 5 years old at the time but Foreigner must have been somewhat respectable back then if they got to a point that they were headlining stadiums. They were probably a lot cooler than Captain and Tennille...ha. I grew up with 80's metal and I hear the same thing when I hear people rip on how lame bands like Judas Priest or Scorpions are compared to something like Metallica or Godsmack now. Well, when I was a kid Judas Priest was some heavy shit....even Def Leppard were cool and somewhat heavy on their first two albums. I guess the point is that bands all take from other bands before them and the newer bands push the envelope farther. This is not really an argument that a band like Foreigner should be in the Hall but more a statement that bands get unfairly labled as "corporate rock" which subsequently and unfairly equals lame years later. The term Corporate, to me, gives the conotation of hugely and grossly successful......which is a turn-off to some. I am sure that some bands will come along that will make Nirvana sound lame and "corporate" 20 years from now.....then we will have to defend Nirvana....it's a cycle.

Posted by bquest on Monday, 10.6.08 @ 14:50pm


I am sure that some bands will come along that will make Nirvana sound lame and "corporate" 20 years from now.....then we will have to defend Nirvana....it's a cycle.

Posted by bquest on Monday, 10.6.08 @ 14:50pm
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I'm wondering exactly where the notion of "corporate" kicks in now. You've got me going here. Technically, didn't Nickelback make the Nirvana sound "corporate"? or was ir Creed a few years before them? or are we talking just Pearl Jam's sound here? This is one of the reasons I always like to hit the younger folks on this site w/questions about what they think is rock today. Even the Backstreet fan I questioned was interesting in this regard.

I'm also wondering when it happened in regards to Foreigner. If you figure it's straight blues-based rock you'd have to jump back to at least Cream, if not the Stones. Now Cream is 66, so would it be considered corporate by say, 70? If so, how do you judge Ten Years After? For that matter, how about Free vs Bad Company? Free hits big in 70, Bad Co. kicks it in around 74? I believe, so did it turn "corporate" during that period? It's been 8 yrs since Cream. Does this mean P. Rodgers has sold out and gone establishment? Foreigner hit big immediatly afterwards, and presumably somewhere in between they became "corporate". It's tricky to figure when your own style is ready to blowup in your face. I imagine the 80's metal guys & gals could explain it better than anyone, but I don't know any of them personally, so I'll have to make my own call.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 10.6.08 @ 17:53pm


Let's officially kill the term "corporate rock" altogether. All musicians are trying to make money in some fashion, so the label is pretty unfair from the get-go. Furthermore, even if it's silly assumption that some bands are trying to make money and more noble ones aren't is acutally true, it's selectively applied. Bascially, the term "corporate rock" is music critic code for "70's/80's AOR that I don't like simply because it sounds too pretty". This style of music is not meant to be deconstructed, it's meant to be fun (I wish more musicians in these dark times understood this concept). And music critics like the morons who work for Rolling Stone are being incredibly dishonest with this term. They want to say that they don't like the style but they can't make a legit argument against it so they attack its supposed intentions instead (which makes perfect sense and all).

And as for Foreigner. I love 'em. Hard to argue with their consistency. Had at least two Top 20 Hits on every album over a ten year period. Also, unlike other major AOR acts of time they don't seem to have a signature song (like "Don't Stop Believin'" or "Working For The Weekend" or "Eye of the Tiger") so much as series of highly recongnized tunes. I think they should have gotten in in their first year of eligibility but as per the discussion the Hall has already deemed this type of music too "corporate" to be Hall of Fame worthy.

Posted by Randy on Wednesday, 11.5.08 @ 01:22am


Randy.....you make some excellent points...well stated

Posted by bquest on Tuesday, 11.18.08 @ 17:12pm


Randy

You have another vote on your side. They rocked and they still rock. I saw them in Jackpot NV with their new leas signer. Though he is no Lou Gramm the songs were awsome. F*ck the RRHF they are a bunch of schmucks!!!!!!

Posted by dano on Tuesday, 11.18.08 @ 23:25pm


Everyone knows the RRHOF is a joke..who cares...I know Foreigner doesn't.

Isn't Blondie in the RRHOF? LOL....enough said...

Posted by scotty on Friday, 01.23.09 @ 15:34pm


Yes- it's a riot that an acclaimed act like Blondie would be in the HOF. Shameful. :)

Foreigner is just like Journey- popular (probably not as much as Journey overall, though), but little acclaim (or importance, musical greatness, etc.). Hence, lack of consideration.

Posted by JR on Monday, 05.18.09 @ 21:21pm


i know this comment is old, but i feel like responding to it anyway

"Really? Just one point: Who's going to argue in favour of a band they hate?"

who? well, i would. I would argue that Nirvana should get into the hall even though i hate them. They're influence is undeniable, whether or not i like them.

Posted by Justin on Thursday, 07.30.09 @ 16:58pm


I don't think they have any chance of induction, but they were a great band and the premier arena rock group of the late '70s/early '80s.

Critics like to poke fun at them for being commercial, well IMO if being liked by people, selling album, and actually making good quality rock 'n' roll is the definition of being commercial than screw the critics.

They weren't all that innovative, but they do have some influence. The '80s era Rainbow, Jeff Pilson(who's actually in the band now) said Dokken were influenced by them, and according to AMG Def Leppard and Pat Benatar as well were influenced by Foreinger.

Posted by Dude Man on Wednesday, 08.19.09 @ 23:11pm


"Critics like to poke fun at them for being commercial" - Dude Man

Indeed, I've noticed that often when someone doesn't like a particular band they throw labels like "corporate rock" around like hot cakes even though it doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Posted by Keebord on Thursday, 08.20.09 @ 07:09am


I agree with Dude Man and Keebord, I never understood some of the hatred that Foriegner gets on here. I say Yes to Foreigner.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 08.20.09 @ 14:01pm


Not a fan of Foreigner, chiefly for what they became in the 80s. And that's what may hurt them... they went "lite rock" at the same time as Journey did, Styx, and probably a few others. It was just a huge shift that left a bad taste in the mouth of many critics (I'm guessing). That's how I feel about it. But I've never been a big fan of the lead singer's voice. The only song of theirs I like is Hot Blooded.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 08.20.09 @ 14:16pm


I despise Foreigner and their tenth grade lyrics. "Cold As Ice" and "Hot Blooded" make me want to vomit every time the local oldies station plays them.

Posted by Derek on Tuesday, 01.26.10 @ 12:26pm


This might be unfair, because I haven't heard a whole album, but I've never understood some of the hype surrounding Foreigner. Yes, Lou Gramm is a good singer, but I just can't get into the hits. They're just kind of generic blues-rock/pop-rock in my eyes. Anyway, my take: They're not really groundbreaking or cutting edge, they may be somewhat influential, but not that much (not to mention their impact on the scene is somewhat limited) and let's not forget: "I Want To Know What Love Is." Whenever I hear that, I can't turn the dial fast enough; absolute wimpfest. Three strikes, they're out. No Hall for them.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 02.5.10 @ 19:02pm


"Maybe if he didn't sing such "generic" rock he would get more props.I am sure Forigner gets downgraded by y'all snobs because they sold a lot of albums, had like 15 songs crack the top-40 that are still FM staples today and packed stadiums for a whole decade. Too bad they didn't open for the Talking Heads at CBGBs.....then they would be considered genius.....right?" - bquest

That's the point. It sounded soulless and uninspired. I encourage success for deserving bands. The Beatles, Zeppelin, Aerosmith and The Stones might not have been viewed the same way if they hadn't had massive success (since part of The Beatles' legacy is being the first British band to do anything in the US.) Still, they sold 37.5 million albums in the US alone, and had 14 (!) Top 20 hits and 16 Top 40's, so they do deserve some credit. And no being an opening act at CBGB's wouldn't have changed things at all (and coming from someone who isn't much of a Talking Heads fan.) Still not Hall worthy.

Lou Gramm setting the record straight on Foreigner: http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/lou-gramm-why-my-foreigner-affair-turned-sour/

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 05.2.10 @ 17:38pm


Foreigner is another example of being a decent band, but you can't induct everyone...!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 05.2.10 @ 17:41pm


You and I agree again. I laugh at how backwards these classic rock baby boomers have things. I can just imagine how they'll be gritting their teeth and stamping their feet if Black Flag, The Smiths and New Order all get in (all three should be in.) Or god forbid they might do the same thing if Motorhead gets inducted (no, that'll never happen at this point.) "But Boston has sold way more records!" :)

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 05.4.10 @ 20:23pm


I despise Foreigner and their tenth grade lyrics. "Cold As Ice" and "Hot Blooded" make me want to vomit every time the local oldies station plays them.

Posted by Derek on Tuesday, 01.26.10 @ 12:26pm

You could just turn the radio off you know, that would help with the reverse digestion.

As for Foreigner, like Gitarzan said, good band, but you can't induct everyone.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 06.19.10 @ 03:06am


If any "corporate rock" bands should get it, it should be Journey, Heart, and probably Bad Company. Cases could be made for Boston and Styx, but both fall short due to the formers lack of productivity (i.e. 5 albums in 30 years) and the latters embarrasing music made after their 1977-1981 years (Mr. Roboto, Show Me The Way, Love Is The Ritual). As for Foreigner, I actually like them quite a bit, and think that Lou Gramm is an underrated singer, but they're the exact definition of "you cant induct everyone". Although I am surprised they haven't been considered, if only because Gramm is friends with Jann Wenner, and Wenner has shown that he can pull strings for them in the past ("I Want To Know What Love Is", was put on several "Greatest Songs of All Time" lists by Rolling Stone, reportedly on Wenners insistence).

Posted by Jimbo on Tuesday, 08.24.10 @ 22:09pm


Man, those boomers really played the someone-said-corporate-rock card.

I loved Foreigner when I was 7. Played the first two albums over and over -- which is what I suspect all of the Foreigner lovers did, too.

Fact is, however, Foreigner was a derivative band that broke no ground and will be forgotten in another generation.

Sure, the Arbitron ratings show that many people would rather listen to a track off Agent Provocateur than something off Remain in Light.

What does that prove? Not much beside the fact that a lot of people have bad taste.

Not a big fan of the Styx or Boston aesthetic, either, but both of them deserve to be in. Foreigner absolutely does not.

Posted by JoJo on Saturday, 01.22.11 @ 05:38am


(Applause.) Well done.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 01.22.11 @ 09:44am


Foreigner is lumped in with all of the so-called "corporate rock" bands prevalent from the mid 1970s to the late 1980s (or thereabout), which would include Journey, Bon Jovi, REO Speedwagon, Styx and quite a few others that we all can name. (Anyone else want to go over the song list of "Rock of Ages"?) That's okay; these were a legitimate part of rock history.

Of these, I would state that this group is best represented by Journey, not Foreigner. Not to say that Foreigner's musical quality is not worthy; I think others are in line before them. Just my opinion.



Posted by Joe on Friday, 03.4.11 @ 16:54pm


Rockin, at Sears, in Sweetwater, Tx. Foriginer is Rockin! Im just sayin.......

Posted by Dinah Heffernan on Sunday, 03.20.11 @ 10:21am


1977-1981 = Great, if unoriginal, hard rock music. 4 is probably one of the best albums of the "arena/corporate" rock era.

Post 1981- Diarrhea in the bed...although Say You Will was a good song.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 04.24.11 @ 23:46pm


Can't argue with Jim, the question is, is a career consisting of one part great but unoriginal music and one part "diarrhea in the bed" with some good songs and albums enough to get in the RRHOF?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 04.29.11 @ 16:39pm


"Can't argue with Jim, the question is, is a career consisting of one part great but unoriginal music and one part "diarrhea in the bed" with some good songs and albums enough to get in the RRHOF?"


In Foreigner's case, I'd argue the number of good material outweighs the bad. Thankfully time has shown their legacy to be stuff like "Hot Blooded", "Juke Box Hero" and "Urgent" rather than "I Want To Know What Love Is". And even as embarrassing as that song was, it didn't make them a punchline like "Mr. Roboto" did with Styx, and has gone on to become, perplexingly, their most critically acclaimed song. I suppose a good argument could be made for the perpetuation of rock and roll, as from 1977-1987 (I begrudingly give them another six years based on success) they churned out one rock radio staple after another, but theres no innovation and I'm not sure if theres any influence there.

Posted by Jim on Friday, 04.29.11 @ 23:46pm


Foreigner has more albums in the 'Album Project' than the Fall, Guided By Voices and Yo La Tengo... combined... beautiful.

Posted by Chalkie on Thursday, 08.11.11 @ 13:46pm


Foreigner was a band that made solid, well-produced, hard rock stadium anthems that, yes, were quite generic. They sold boatloads of records and receive a ton of airplay for their many hits to this day. (The other) Mick Jones has built himself a great reputation among some of music's elite over the years, through collaborations with Billy Joel & others. As far as influence, I think it's pretty obvious who the inferior likes of Loverboy & that ilk took their cues from. Shame, but those sort of things happen. For every <take your pick of an original Seattle grunge band> there is a Nickelback or Creed that responds.

Foreigner, perhaps, could be viewed in that relation to Led Zeppelin. But, I think Mick Jones, along with Lou Gramm & the various others, brought enough of their own to the table that they were truly their own band with a distinct-enough sound. In other words, they didn't completely suck. Fact, they didn't really suck at all ... they just were never the most interesting band by any stretch, but they sure were a well-oiled & professional hit machine.

They recorded one truly timeless song, 'I Want to What Love Is.' Yeah, I used to think it was cheesy, too. Then, I actually listened to it, and it is quite beautiful and moving. A younger me wouldn't go for something like that, but being in my 30s & more mellow, I can now appreciate an inspirational song like that. There was a reason this song was chosen at the one to close the Atlantic Records 40th anniversary show back in the '80s, when all those legendary artists joined them on stage and sang along. When one takes all of this into consideration, then Foreigner does become a strong candidate for an off-year induction.

Now, don't get me wrong. I wouldn't put them in ahead of Kraftwerk, or Guns N'Roses, or most anyone obvious like that. But, Lord knows there are already enough questionable acts in the Hall of Fame (which I have visited, many years back, and it was beautiful.) If Foreigner ever gets in, then I'm cool with that. How's that for a plug for a band I do not own any records from, and wouldn't pay to see in concert?

Posted by Sunking278 on Friday, 08.26.11 @ 20:58pm


I see no reason why Foreigner shouldn't get in eventually.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 08.27.11 @ 05:46am


Roy,

The first line in Foreigner's "Blue Morning, Blue Day" was:

Out in the street, it's six A.M., another sleepless night.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Sunday, 10.9.11 @ 00:46am


I dont know how a band with that lead singer and all those great songs doesnt get in. Foreigners 1st 4 albums were great. Too often, success is viewed as selling out or corporate rock. I dont like the direction Jones took the band after 4. But from 76 thru 81, they were unmatched. The thing for me is Lou Gramm had such a great voice, full of power and range. 4 straight albums of at least quadruple platinum. They have my vote.

Posted by Eddie Dobzanski on Monday, 11.7.11 @ 20:40pm


Im looking over the comments and keep seeing Corporate, lets discuss. When I think of that term relating to music, I think of an artist following a formula or recording a cheesey single that everyone knows will sell. Springsteens Born in the USA is the best example. Didnt The Beatles make history by having great songs. With Gramms voice, Foreigner didnt sound like anyone els

Posted by Eddie Dobzanski on Monday, 11.7.11 @ 20:59pm


"Foreigner has more albums in the 'Album Project' than the Fall, Guided By Voices and Yo La Tengo... combined... beautiful."

Behold the words of a music snob trying to impress others with his knowledge of obscure bands. I'm familiar with your type, Chalkie, and believe me, you're just an attention seeker of the worst kind.

Anyway, I have to agree with Eddie Dobzanski on many of the arguments he made. I loathe the term corporate rock in general and wish it would be killed off. To me, the label corporate implies that a producer went out and found some young guys, gave them a few weeks to practice playing guitars, got them a contract with a major label, and viola, instant band! Foreigner had been together for well over a before releasing their first album, so the corporate label ought to be chucked out the window. If you want to call anyone corporate rock, use that label for truly worthless bands like Nickelback, Godsmack, Simple Plan, New Found Glory, and all these other lame nu-metal and pop punk acts that emerged in the last two decades.

Based on the strength of Foreigner's first four albums (Foreigner, Double Vision, Head Games, and 4), I think you've a very strong case for an induction. Add to that their blues influence, a diverse range of songs (Who else could have gone from the down 'n' dirty blues based Dirty White Boy to the eerie, science-fiction tones of Girl on the Moon?), a gifted lead vocalist (Lou Gramm), some kick-ass guitarists (Mick Jones and Ian McDonald), and some other equally talented musicians, and you've got a pretty good band.

Posted by Zach on Sunday, 02.12.12 @ 12:30pm


amen. so what if foreigner weren't critical darlings, they still made good music!

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 02.12.12 @ 12:40pm


Foreigner has got to be the biggest ommision from the Hall. How long has it been and I still cant name 5 better singers than Lou Gramm. Their first 4 records are awesome. First rock group to have their first 4 records each sell 4million or more. Way too many great songs to not get in. God, Gramm had so much power and range.

Posted by Jersey steve on Thursday, 04.5.12 @ 23:14pm


"I still cant name 5 better singers than Lou Gramm"

Challenge accepted. I'll stick with male vocalists to make the comparison more relatable:

Freddie Mercury, Elvis Presley, Roy Orbison, Jeff Buckley, Prince, Solomon Burke, Smokey Robinson, Chris Cornell, Scott Walker and Roger Daltrey in no particular order. That's 10.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 04.6.12 @ 04:19am


"First rock group to have their first 4 records each sell 4million or more."

I'll take this one... Zeppelin for one?

Lou Gramm did have a very good voice, but I'll add to Tahvo's list:

David Bowie, James Dean Bradfield (no, seriously, give the Manics' first album a proper listen), Layne Staley, Bruce Dickinson, Axl Rose, Johnny Cash, Sebastian Bach... that's another seven.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 04.6.12 @ 07:54am


God, how'd I forget Steven Tyler?

Posted by Sam on Friday, 04.6.12 @ 07:54am


Just to clarify to Foreigner fans. I do agree Lou Gramm had a good voice.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 04.6.12 @ 08:08am


How about Ronnie James Dio also better than Lou?

Posted by bojanthebest on Friday, 04.6.12 @ 16:01pm


Yep. I also forgot about David Coverdale.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 04.6.12 @ 18:41pm


Yes there were many iconic singers in the 70s going into the 80s. The list of vocalists with power and range is relatively short. Lou Gramm is on that list. Foreigner immediately stood out with a sound that combined straight ahead rock with synths and sing along lyrics. Double Visions opening riff is an all timer. If you listen to all the songs, Gramm could hit the higher notes with such power. Four great albums, about 12 really great songs, put them in.

Posted by Warrior on Monday, 08.13.12 @ 00:46am


On the Lou Gramm singer debate i think Eddie is talking range and delivery. Plant had the power and range, certainly DIO, probably the Alice guy, Bach from Skid Row, maybe David Coverdale and Cornell from Soundgarden. That's a really short list. Mercury and Pretty could hit the high notes but lacked Gramms power. While Bowie, Orbison, and company area legends, we r talking voice.

Posted by dobbie on Sunday, 09.2.12 @ 22:43pm


Feels Like The First Time * Cold As Ice * Long, Long Way From Home * Blue Morning, Blue Day * Double Vision * Hot Blooded * Head Games * Dirty White Boy * Love On The Telephone * Women * Urgent * Juke Box Hero * Waiting For A Girl Like You * Break It Up * Luanne * I Wanna Know What Love Is * That Was Yesterday * Growing Up The Hard Way * Reaction To Action * Down On Love * Heart Turns To Stone * Say You Will * I Don't Wanna Live Without You * Until The End Of Time

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 09.2.12 @ 22:45pm


Feels Like The First Time * Cold As Ice * Double Vision * Hot Blooded * Head Games * Urgent * Juke Box Hero * Waiting For A Girl Like You * I Wanna Know What Love Is * That Was Yesterday * Say You Will * I Don't Wanna Live Without You * Until The End Of Time

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 09.2.12 @ 22:51pm


FOREIGNER: The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees

01. Mick Jones (1976-Present; lead guitar)
02. Lou Gramm (1976-2004; lead vocals)
03. Ian McDonald (1976-1981; guitar, saxophone)
04. Ed Gagliardi (1976-1979; bass guitar)
05. Dennis Elliott (1976-1991; drums, percussion)
06. Al Greenwood (1976-1981; keyboards, synthesizers)
07. Mark Rivera (1981-1989; guitar, saxophone)
08. Rick Wills (1979-1993; bass guitar)
09. Bob Mayo (1981-1988; keyboards, synthesizers)

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 09.2.12 @ 23:10pm


FOREIGNER: The Resumes

01. Mick Jones (Foreigner)
02. Lou Gramm (Foreigner)
03. Ian McDonald (King Crimson, Foreigner)
04. Ed Gagliardi (Foreigner)
05. Dennis Elliott (Foreigner)
06. Al Greenwood (Foreigner)
07. Mark Rivera (Foreigner)
08. Rick Wills (Foreigner)
09. Bob Mayo (Foreigner)

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 09.2.12 @ 23:27pm


You do realize hat the whole reason Roy becme famous was his voice, right?

Posted by GFW on Monday, 09.3.12 @ 04:35am


Were you thinking Lou and writing Roy?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 09.3.12 @ 08:24am


FOREIGNER: The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees

01. Mick Jones (1976-Present; lead guitar)
02. Lou Gramm (1976-2004; lead vocals)
03. Ian McDonald (1976-1981; guitar, saxophone)
04. Ed Gagliardi (1976-1979; bass guitar)
05. Dennis Elliott (1976-1991; drums, percussion)
06. Al Greenwood (1976-1981; keyboards, synthesizers)
07. Rick Wills (1979-1993; bass guitar)
08. Mark Rivera (1981-1989; guitar, saxophone)
09. Bob Mayo (1981-1988; keyboards, synthesizers)

FOREIGNER: The Resumes

01. Mick Jones (Foreigner)
02. Lou Gramm (Foreigner)
03. Ian McDonald (King Crimson, Foreigner)
04. Ed Gagliardi (Foreigner)
05. Dennis Elliott (Foreigner)
06. Al Greenwood (Foreigner)
07. Rick Wills (Foreigner)
08. Mark Rivera (Foreigner)
09. Bob Mayo (Foreigner)

Posted by Roy on Monday, 09.3.12 @ 08:34am


FOREIGNER: The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees | The Resumes

01. Mick Jones (1976-Present; lead guitar; Foreigner)
02. Lou Gramm (1976-2004; lead vocals; Foreigner)
03. Ed Gagliardi (1976-1979; bass guitar; Foreigner)
04. Al Greenwood (1976-1981; keyboards, synthesizers; Foreigner)
05. Ian McDonald (1976-1981; guitar, saxophone; King Crimson, Foreigner)
06. Dennis Elliott (1976-1991; drums, percussion; Foreigner)
07. Rick Wills (1979-1993; bass guitar; Foreigner)
08. Mark Rivera (1981-1989; guitar, saxophone; Foreigner)
09. Bob Mayo (1981-1988; keyboards, synthesizers; Foreigner)

THE ALBUMS

Foreigner * Double Vision * Head Games * 4 * Agent Provocateur * Inside Information * Unusual Heat * Mr. Moonlight * Can't Slow Down

THE SINGLES

Feels Like The First Time * Cold As Ice * Double Vision * Hot Blooded * Head Games * Urgent * Juke Box Hero * Waiting For A Girl Like You * I Wanna Know What Love Is * That Was Yesterday * Say You Will * I Don't Wanna Live Without You * Until The End Of Time

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.4.12 @ 08:01am


Two chances for guitarist and saxophonist Ian McDonald to be inducted into the Rock Hall (King Crimson, Foreigner).

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.4.12 @ 08:03am


Rolling Stone magazine likes Foreigner. They gave all their albums 4 or 5 stars.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.1.12 @ 11:54am


Mick Jones and Lou Gramm are nominated for the 2013 Songwriters Hall of Fame.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 20:54pm


Mick Jones and Lou Gramm are 2013 Songwriters Hall of Fame inductees!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 02.22.13 @ 15:16pm


Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02.23.13 @ 00:15am


oh no, Roy's discovered the image function!

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 02.23.13 @ 05:56am


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/steven-tyler-and-joe-perry-picked-for-songwriters-hall-of-fame-20130222

Steven Tyler and Joe Perry Picked for Songwriters Hall of Fame
Foreigner's Mick Jones and Lou Gramm are also among this year's inductees

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02.23.13 @ 20:47pm


THE 2013 SONGWRITERS HALL OF FAME NOMINATION AND INDUCTION BIOS

Mick Jones/Lou Gramm (p/k/a Foreigner)

Foreigner’s songwriting partnership of England’s Mick Jones and America’s Lou Gramm resulted in immense album sales and huge hits during the 1970s and ‘80s. Their songwriting prowess was proven from the outset with the self-titled 1977 debut album, which yielded the hits “Feels Like The First Time,” “Cold As Ice” and “Long, Long Way From Home.” Hits like “Hot Blooded,” “Double Vision,” “Urgent” and “Waiting For A Girl Like You” followed, and they reached No. 1 in 1985 with the massive gospel-inspired “I Want To Know What Love Is.”

Key songs in the Jones/Gramm catalog include “Juke Box Hero,” “Waiting For A Girl Like You,” “Cold As Ice,” Hot Blooded” and “Double Vision.”

Mick Jones & Lou Gramm:

Foreigner’s legendary songwriting partners, Mick Jones and Lou Gramm, have together propelled an arsenal of ten multi-platinum albums and multiple Top 30 hits. Universally hailed as one of the most popular rock acts in the world, the band is responsible for some of the greatest rock anthems of our time, including the worldwide #1 hit, “I Want To Know What Love Is,” which today remains as one of the 25 most performed songs in the ASCAP catalog. Other iconic songs include “Feels Like The First Time,” “Cold As Ice” and “Long, Long Way From Home” from their self-titled 1977 debut album. Major songs in the Jones and Gramm catalog include “Juke Box Hero,” “Hot Blooded” and “Waiting For A Girl Like You.” A multi-talented and multi-dimensional “musician’s musician,” Jones has also written songs such as “Bad Love” with Eric Clapton and “Dreamer” with Ozzy Osbourne, and produced records for others including Billy Joel’s Storm Front and Van Halen’s 5150. A Grammy® and Golden Globe-nominated songwriter, Jones is the winner of the prestigious British Ivor Novello songwriter award for the song “The Flame Still Burns,” from the soundtrack Still Crazy. In the late 80s, Gramm released two solo albums to critical and commercial acclaim entitled Ready or Not and Long Hard Look, respectively, which produced several Top 10 hit singles including, “Midnight Blue”, “Just Between You And Me” and the Top 40 hit “True Blue Love.” Gramm also contributed a song to the soundtrack for the 1987 movie The Lost Boys, titled “Lost In The Shadows.” In May 2013, Triumph Books will release Gramm’s biography, Juke Box Hero.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 02.24.13 @ 21:57pm


It can't be denied that Foreigner has accomplished
a great deal of commercial success. I would respect them way better if they had written more songs like Starrider and less songs for 16 year olds looking at daddy's Playboy like Hot Blooded.

Rolling Stone did not like Double Vision. Keith Tucker called it "incredibly self-absorbed and nearly paralyzed by redoubled caution." I have it and I don't think there's anything on it worth remembering except Double Vision and Blue Morning Blue Day. After Head Games it was all downhill into a sea of blandness and predictability. Urgent was a disco song that made them a lot of money. Waiting for a Girl Like You was elevator music that made them a lot of money, and so on, and so on.

Foreigner fits my definition of corporate rock because when an album by a band known for a certain type of music puts one or two songs on the album that don't sound like the others and it just so happens that those two songs go top 10, it's pretty obvious the band is trying to please the boys at corporate headquarters so they can continue to be employed. You saw the same with groups in the late 70s early 80s like Styx and Babe, Best Of Times and Journey with Whos Crying Now and Open Arms. It's so obvious, really.

In the end Foreigner was Mick Jones' baby. He ran it like a business from the start with the auditions in New York and then the time came to consolidate power, so he fired the most talented member of the band Ian McDonald who played with King Crimson as well as Al Greenwood the keyboard player. A power play any CEO would be proud of.

Posted by Darius on Monday, 04.29.13 @ 02:23am


Mick Jones and Lou Gramm will both be attending and performing at the 2013 Songwriters Hall of Fame induction ceremony.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 05.1.13 @ 13:45pm


Many aren't aware that Mick Jones was a session player for The Beatles. He was long considered a musical prodidgy in England before he discovered singer Lou Gramm fronting Black Sheep. Make no mistake, Jones followed a formula with Foreigner. This resulted in many of that eras greatest pop /rock albums and songs. Gramm was the difference market because his voice guarranteed no one else sounded like them. Put them in.

Posted by rock authority on Tuesday, 05.21.13 @ 23:04pm


Foreigner

01. Mick Jones (1976-Present; lead guitar)
02. Lou Gramm (1976-2004; lead vocals)
03. Ed Gagliardi (1976-1979; bass guitar)
04. Al Greenwood (1976-1981; keyboards, synthesizers)
05. Ian McDonald (1976-1981; guitar, saxophone; King Crimson)
06. Dennis Elliott (1976-1991; drums, percussion)
07. Rick Wills (1979-1993; bass guitar)
08. Mark Rivera (1981-1989; guitar, saxophone)
09. Bob Mayo (1981-1988; keyboards, synthesizers)

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 05.23.13 @ 10:30am


The 2013 Songwriters Hall of Fame

Billy Joel inducts Lou Gramm and Mick Jones

Posted by Roy on Friday, 06.14.13 @ 10:38am


Foreigner had been accused by critics of being a "faceless" band, or corporate rock for many years. I will not deny that Mick Jones had wanted to have a successful band, but what's wrong with that? Lou Gramm had been an outstanding vocalist and has been the co-writer of many great songs. As far as I am concerned, writing a great anthemic song like 'Cold As Ice,' (IMHO, one of the best songs of the 1970's) and being linked to King Crimson via original multi-instrumentalist Ian MacDonald is not a bad thing either. Of course, one could argue that their debut album and '4' were their greatest works. Not content to rest on their laurels, Lou and Mick were a hit making machine; Foreigner had even
written the anthemic, 'I Want To Know What Love Is.' Should a band be criticized for writing great songs and being successful? I think not! Foreigner certainly has a lasting legacy of great timeless songs and not just for this reason alone, does Foreigner deserve to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 08.1.13 @ 09:46am


Foreigner will definitely be inducted into the RRHOF in the next 5 years or so. They have several points favoring their induction in the coming years.

1.Lou Gramm is one of the greatest rock singers of the era & Mick Jones guitar playing was highly regarded.RRHOF Committee places some criteria on the best on instruments.

2.A collection of hits. Cold As Ice,Urgent,Hot Blooded,Juke Box Hero,Girl Like You,IWTKWLI, to name a few. It shows music fans supported their work & they were successful.

3."4" was a monster album. I think the Committee likes when a band creates an Epic work. It shows their greatness & it helps weed out the RRHOF type bands from the very good bands.

4."I Want To Know What Love Is..." I think this Classic song breaks ties with other similar bands. It was an incredible rock song,ballad,gospel choir all rolled
into one. Gigantic hit with a heavenly sound.

5.Longevity.Mick Jones & Foreigner still around today making music. Maybe,they dont have the popularity of the 80's but almost 40 yrs later,the group is still around. As long as a group remains in the public eye,they will get consideration when they have a respected run like Foreigner. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 01.29.14 @ 15:23pm


Foreigner with master musician Mick Jones leading the way produced wonderful songs in the late 70s & early 80s that still resonate today on classic rock stations. With a new lineup featuring frontman Kelly Hanson, Foreigner concerts are as good or better then ever with stellar guitarist Mick Jones still at the helm. No band is more deserving of the HOF.

Posted by Robin Hood on Thursday, 01.30.14 @ 18:54pm


"No band is more deserving of the HOF."--Robin Hood

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*gasp of air*

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Posted by Philip on Thursday, 01.30.14 @ 19:25pm


Lets see. To get into the HALL your supposed to be talented, successful, have longevity, and make an enduring mark. One of the greatest lead vocalists in rock history-check, 10 platinum albums-check, still going for over 30years-check, hits that ranged from straight ahead rockers to pop to balads-check. Exactly what hasn't this band done? This is how the hall loses respect. This is whats known as a "no brainer".

Posted by rock authority on Monday, 06.2.14 @ 17:35pm


Once again, the "Behind The Music: Remastered" episode on Foreigner is scheduled to air on VH-1 Classic @ 2 p.m. E.D.T. on Monday July 14, 2014.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 07.13.14 @ 13:06pm


I think that Lou Gramm's and Mick Jones' induction into the Songwriter's Hall Of Fame might be the impetus to garner them a Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame nomination. What do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08.31.14 @ 09:17am


Along with several other previously mentioned artists, Foreigner also deserves immediate induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05.2.15 @ 11:53am


Once again, the "Behind The Music: Remastered" episode featuring Foreigner is scheduled to air on VH-1 Classic at 7:00 p.m. E.D.T. on Saturday June 6, 2015.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 05.27.15 @ 09:10am


Foreigner is not really a corporate rock band, as much as they a "prog" adjacent band.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 06.12.15 @ 02:21am


Lou Gramm is now excited about the shake-up, perhaps he thinks his chances are better now.

I can't help but think of one of the worst commercials of the past year or so: the Hot Pockets commercial with an apartment party and everyone jamming. It uses the song, "Hot Blooded", but instead sings "Hot POCKETS". I hate this commercial so much, but I also can't help but notice, that the tribute/parody band that performs this version of "Hot Blooded Pockets" is actually rocking harder than the Foreigner original. Partially because they do the song in an AC/DC style rather than a Foreigner style. But still, Foreigner is outrocked on their own classic by a band that is hawking one of the four basic food groups for college students.

And that, dear children, is why Foreigner is having difficulty getting into the Hall.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 06.25.15 @ 22:17pm


With the recent Rock Hall committee shakeup, I think more “commercial” bands from the 70s and 80s will definitely benefit now. I agree that Foreigner deserves to be in the Rock Hall, but they can’t seem to shake up the commercial side of their music (this is probably their own fault). Foreigner, like many 70s/80s rock bands were heavily criticized for being “corporate rock” (which is unfair but there’s some truth to that). Phillip’s point is spot-on as to why Foreigner has and will have a hard time being taken seriously. Foreigner is still heavily played on classic rock stations which is a major plus for Rock Hall consideration. While not really being a critic’s darling, I think Foreigner will get in the Rock Hall the same way Hall & Oates got inducted last year: they have a ton of massive, still-popular hits under their belt. I think the Rock Hall will turn to the major 80s bands first: Bon Jovi and Def Leppard immediately come to mind (in addition to Foreigner). On a side note, I’m also thinking of other worthy 80s groups that should be considered now like The Cure, The Smiths, The Replacements, Sonic Youth and Duran Duran. BTW, Phillip I remember that terrible Hot Pockets commercial and that was a very cheesy ad (no pun intended).

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 06.25.15 @ 22:47pm


One of my all-time fave bands not yet there. As much as I love their music, I don't see an induction (or maybe even a nomination) until at least 2025. Rock on!

Posted by DJ Dave M on Monday, 07.6.15 @ 10:40am


Foreigner had been considered to be either faceless rock, or corporate rock for nearly 4 decades. Before I had even heard of The Moody Blues, or Rush, or Yes, or possibly even Kansas, or Styx, I had heard one of my first progressive rock songs, 'Cold As Ice' by Foreigner. Although I did not purchase my first foreigner album until 1981, I did buy a copy of an 8 track tape that had included 'Cold As Ice' in 1980. Foreigner and Heart were the first "prog adjacent" bands which I had become familiar with. I would later hear Journey and buy "Escape" on cassette in 1981.

Other than perhaps Steve Perry, Lou Gramm has one of the greatest voices in rock. Lou Gramm and Mick Jones are also two of the most successful songwriters of all time. In fact, they were both inducted into the Songwriter's Hall Of Fame in 2013 (the same year that both Rush and Heart were inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame). Does Foreigner deserve immediate induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I will let the Nominating Committee answer that question.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08.16.15 @ 06:36am


Once again, the "Behind The Music: Remastered" episode featuring Foreigner is scheduled to air on VH1 classic on Friday August 21, 2015 at 12 a.m. E.D.T.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 08.20.15 @ 05:35am



Foreigner

01. Mick Jones (1976-Present; lead guitar)
02. Lou Gramm (1976-2004; lead vocals)
03. Ed Gagliardi (1976-1979; bass guitar)
04. Al Greenwood (1976-1981; keyboards, synthesizers)
05. Ian McDonald (1976-1981; guitar, saxophone; King Crimson)
06. Dennis Elliott (1976-1991; drums, percussion)
07. Rick Wills (1979-1993; bass guitar)
08. Mark Rivera (1981-1989; guitar, saxophone)
09. Bob Mayo (1981-1988; keyboards, synthesizers)

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 01.12.17 @ 01:03am


Chicago > Journey > Foreigner

Posted by Roy on Friday, 01.27.17 @ 22:21pm


Foriegner was a great band with great song writing, great vocals, great musicians, sold a ton of albums and much better band than at least half of the inductees. Anyone that doesn't have some unusual bias against them should agree that they should be in the Rock and Roll hall of fame.

Posted by RCW on Wednesday, 03.22.17 @ 12:04pm


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