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Posted by FRL on Friday, 08/24/2018 @ 21:39pm

Still wanna get through my Songs of Proof special before I post my predictions. Still haven't given it too much thought, though I'm reading everyone else's thoughts.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 08/24/2018 @ 22:03pm

My 19:

Bad Company
Beck
Chaka Khan
Dave Matthews Band
Def Leppard
Eurythmics
Gary U.S. Bonds
Jane's Addiction
Janet Jackson
Johnny Nash
Kraftwerk
Lionel Richie -or-the Commodores
LL Cool J
Phil Collins
Radiohead
Snoop Dogg
Stevie Nicks
War
The Zombies

If you're interested in the detailed version of this list, check out my new blog: http://rockhallwhatever.blogspot.com

Posted by Jason Voigt on Friday, 08/24/2018 @ 22:13pm

Bad Company
Beck
Janet Jackson
Kate Bush
LL Cool J
Pat Benatar
Rufus/Chaka Khan
The Smiths
Depeche Mode
Whitney Houston
Warren Zevon
The Commodores or Lionel Richie
Kool & The Gang
Peter Tosh
Roxy Music
Jethro Tull
The Zombies
Dionne Warwick
Eurythmics
The Doobie Brothers
Def Leppard
Judas Priest

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 08/24/2018 @ 22:36pm

1. Doobie Brothers
2. Cher
3. Janet Jackson
4. T. Rex
5. MC5
6. Depeche Mode
7. The Smiths
8. Stevie Nicks
9. Rufus/ Chaka Khan
10. Kraftwerk
11. Rage Against the Machine
12. Bad Company
13. Duran Duran
14. Motorhead
15. The Cure
16. Radiohead
17. Wu-Tang Clan
18. Carly Simon
19. The Guess Who

Posted by John Mutford on Friday, 08/24/2018 @ 22:42pm

My 2019 Rock Hall Predictions

Beck
Depeche Mode
Eurythmics
Janet Jackson
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Love
Outkast
Phil Collins
Radiohead
Rage Against the Machine
Roxy Music
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
The Doobie Brothers
The Go-Go’s
The Spinners
The Zombies
Todd Rundgren

For more analysis and discussion on each of my choices, I started a new blog and here is the link: https://celluloidandrecordsrepository.squarespace.com/blog/2018/8/14/2019-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-nominee-predictions.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 08/24/2018 @ 23:20pm

Here are my selections, in no particular order:

Soundgarden
The Doobie Brothers
Julio Iglesias
Radiohead
Patti LaBelle
MC5
The Zombies
Janet Jackson
A Tribe Called Quest
George Michael
Loggins & Messina
Cher
Judas Priest
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Joy Division/New Order
Nine Inch Nails
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Mary Wells

Posted by dmg on Friday, 08/24/2018 @ 23:54pm

Julio Iglesias? Based on WHAT???

Posted by EDS on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 02:52am

I've already listed my 2018 Nominees earlier in August but I guess it's only right to repeat my other list. In no particular order:
1. Stevie Nicks & Steve Winwood
2. Depeche Mode
3. Alice In Chains
4. Janet Jackson
5. Procol Harum
6. Def Leppard
7. Bryan Adams
8. Bad Company
9. Nine Inch Nails
10.Kool & The Gang
11.Radiohead
12.The Offspring
13. Foreigner
14. Chaka Khan/Rufus
15. Beck
16. Social Distortion
17. LL Cool J
18. Rage Against The Machine
19. Judas Priest
20. Peter, Paul, & Mary
21. The Eurythmics
Those just missing the cut: The Guess Who, Pat Benatar, Soundgarden, Roxy Music, Mariah Carey, Duran Duran, Blue Oyster Cult, The Spinners, WAR, Scorpions, etc. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 02:54am

WHY on earth would Nicks & Winwood get nominated together? Because of their first names???

FTR, Bryan Adams, Procol Harum (thanks to the Singles induction fiasco), Social Distortion, and PP&M have no shot at the ballot in reality; who on the NomCom would even being those acts up???

Posted by EDS on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 03:38am

If Joan Baez can get in, why not Peter, Paul & Mary? And Bryan Adams is not that odd of a choice. Commercially very successful (Everything I Do, I Do It For You!), worked with several inductees, so he seems to have the right connections. And many people love Summer of ‘69. Sure, his songs tend to be safe and sappy, but I don’t think it is impossible to see him inducted someday. I personally don’t see it happening soon, but I don’t think it is such an odd choice from KING.

But I don’t get the joint nom for Nicks & Winwood either. If you think both will get nominated, why not list them separately?

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 04:55am

I already posted on the Northumbrian Countdown, but to recap, I think the nominees will be:

1. Radiohead
2. Rage Against the Machine
3. Janet Jackson
4. Depeche Mode
5. Chaka Khan
6. The Zombies
7. Eurythmics
8. L.L. Cool J
9. Joe Tex
10. The Shangri-Las
11. Judas Priest
12. Duran Duran
13. Pixies
14. Roxy Music
15. The Doobie Brothers
16. Stevie Nicks
17. The B-52s
18. Kool & the Gang
19. Beck

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 05:26am

So, who will the list of 2019 nominees be? I happen to believe that Alex Voltaire has really come up with a good list with one particular exception and we all know by now who that happens to be. I will definitely not support an artist who lip synchs, dances and exposes their breasts. Sorry, but playing a musical instrument and singing is paramount. Otherwise, I could vote for most of his list. However, his list is missing Jethro Tull. I also really like Charles Crossley Jr.’s list with the same possible exception. So, perhaps a hybrid of both lists is a good compromise. Once again, here is my list with a few slight modifications and if you want to know my reasoning behind it, you will have to read several blogs.

01. Duran Duran
02. Jethro Tull
03. Doobie Brothers
04. Sade
05. Carly Simon
06. Soundgarden
07. Glen Campbell
08. Radiohead
09. Judas Priest
10. Iron Maiden
11. Eurythmics
12. Procol Harum
13. Foreigner
14. Zombies
15. Cher
16. The Cure
17. Stevie Nicks
18. LL Cool J
19. Snoop Dogg
20. The Monkees
21. Pat Benatar

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 06:12am

1. Soundgarden
2. Radiohead
3. Pixies
4. Kraftwerk
5. Depeche Mode
6. Eurythmics
7. The Cure
8. Willie Nelson
9. MC5
10. Janet Jackson
11. Iron Maiden
12. The Spinners
13. The Shangri-Las
14. Jim Croce
15. Little Feat
16. Sir Douglas Quintet
17. Thin Lizzy
18. Tommy James & the Shondells
19. LL Cool J

Posted by MichaelEU on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 06:14am

My Predictions for the 2019 ballot:

1. Radiohead
2. Rage Against the Machine
3. Janet Jackson
4. Chaka Khan
5. Judas Priest
6. Depeche Mode
7. Eurythmics
8. The Zombies
9. Kool and the Gang
10. Doobie Brothers
11. The Cure
12. Jane's Addiction
13. Snoop Dogg
14. Phil Collins
15. Def Leppard
16. Soundgarden
17. Sade
18. Nine Inch Nails
19. Living Colour

Missed the cut: Bad Company, Todd Rundgren, Roxy Music, New York Dolls, War, Kraftwerk

Posted by Zack F on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 08:52am

Bad Company
Chaka Khan / Rufus
Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
Gil Scott Heron
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
Joe Cocker
Judas Priest
Kate Bush
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
OutKast
Radiohead
Soundgarden
Stevie Nicks
The Commodores
The Cure
The Smiths
Warren Zevon

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 11:41am

I’m expecting the nominees to look like this:

The Zombies
MC5
Beck
Dave Matthews Band
Snoop Dogg
Def Leppard
Bad Company
The Doobie Brothers
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Dionne Warwick
Cher
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Phil Collins

Who would win the most?

Janet Jackson
Def Leppard
Jethro Tull
Duran Duran
The Doobie Brothers
Dave Matthews Band (If room for six)
Dionne Warwick (If room for seven)
Soundgarden (If room for eight)

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 12:08pm

2019 Nominees:
Janet Jackson
Radiohead
NIN
The Smiths
Judas Priest
Black Flag
Warren Zevon
LL Cool J
Pat Benatar
The Commodores
Duran Duran
Eurthmics
Harry Nilsson
Soundgarden
Beck
Kraftwerk
T Rex
Dr. Dre
Bad Company

Singles:
American Pie - Don McLean
Please Mr. Postman - The Marvelettes
Time of the Season - The Zombies
My Guy - Mary Wells
Layla - Derek and the Dominos

Posted by Classic Rock on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 17:45pm

Enig-- I'm glad you are here, but I think you are being unreasonable toward Janet Jackson. First of all, there's a difference between "exposing one's breasts" and "having one's breasts exposed by accident due to someone else's screw-up." If she lip-synchs on occasion...so what? Virtually every Hall of Famer did so in some context-- music videos, on television appearances. Let's not be wedded to one, narrow definition of authenticity.

Some of you are listing singles, and I'd like to as well.

-Stand By Me (Ben E. King)
-Please, Mr. Postman (The Marvelettes)
-Wild Thing (The Troggs)
-Le Freak (Chic)
-Miserlou (Dick Dale)

-Time of the Season if The Zombies are nominated and don't get in, American Woman by the Guess Who, otherwise.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 21:27pm

Alex,

My reasons for not supporting Janet’s induction do not only have to do with her exposure of various bodily organs, nor her lack of instrumentation in concert, but also the fact that so many of her so-called supporters had consistently voted against my favorite artists. This had raised my ire tremendously and had caused me to definitely reconsider my position. If her supporters are going to vote against my favorite artists, then obviously there is a certain amount of fear and trepidation in their ranks. I had to ask, just what are they afraid of? I had originally been receptive to her nomination, but repeatedly I would see something like 12 yes for Janet votes and every single other artist had no next to them. Now, it doesn’t take a genius to realize just how rabid her fans are. Yet, what is their justification?

I remember critic David Wild telling his audience that Rush would never be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. That had raised my ire also and a little more than a year afterwards, I had created my long-archived website. Not quite sixteen years later, Rush had been inducted into the Rock Hall and David Wild had to eat his words. But Rush’s induction had changed history, had it not? Then Yes had been inducted four years later and of course, The Moody Blues had been inducted this year. All at once, those extremely complicated equations were no longer indecipherable. So everybody thinks that they can easily predict the nominees and inductees now. Does that explain my reasoning?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 22:35pm

Alex,

My reasons for not supporting Janet’s induction do not only have to do with her exposure of various bodily organs, nor her lack of instrumentation in concert, but also the fact that so many of her so-called supporters had consistently voted against my favorite artists. This had raised my ire tremendously and had caused me to definitely reconsider my position. If her supporters are going to vote against my favorite artists, then obviously there is a certain amount of fear and trepidation in their ranks. I had to ask, just what are they afraid of? I had originally been receptive to her nomination, but repeatedly I would see something like 12 yes for Janet votes and every single other artist had no next to them. Now, it doesn’t take a genius to realize just how rabid her fans are. Yet, what is their justification? Also the Induct Janet campaign had been supporting N.W.A.- a group which is racist, misogynistic and homophobic. That had really infuriated me!
I remember critic David Wild telling his audience that Rush would never be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. That had raised my ire also and a little more than a year after Pink Floyd had been inducted into the Rock Hall, I had started to create my long-archived website. Not quite sixteen years later, Rush had finally been inducted into the Rock Hall and David Wild had to eat his words. But Rush’s induction had changed history, had it not? Then Yes had been inducted four years later and of course, The Moody Blues had been inducted this year. All at once, those extremely complicated equations were no longer indecipherable. So everybody thinks that they can easily predict the nominees and inductees now.

Yet, the Rock Hall is still quite enigmatic. Does that explain my reasoning?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 22:42pm

I would put Pete Townshend's Top 100 solo songs up against any of the artists listed here: http://supergroup.netfirms.com/index7.htm

Posted by JCSI on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 23:42pm

Enig, you stated that playing a musical instrument is paramount. Did you oppose the induction of people like James Brown, Sam Cooke, Jackie Wilson, Otis Redding, Janis Joplin? How about the Motown acts and the other vocal groups?

Posted by Greg P. on Saturday, 08/25/2018 @ 23:57pm

I don’t see your point at all Enig. You claim to not support Janet Jackson because her supporters/fans would not vote for your favorite (cough Progressive Rock cough) artists? What evidence do you have that backs up your claim that Janet’s supporters would be against your artists? Can’t someone like both Progressive Rock and Janet Jackson? HOF voter Rob Tannenbaum voted for both Yes and Janet Jackson on his 2017 Ballot (he shared it on social media) and those two artists are on opposite sides of the rock and roll canon. Your arguments aren’t really adding up and instead I think your afraid that the HOF will start putting an end to Progressive Rock and move on to different genres. I would prefer the HOF to move on to more contemporary artists and neglected genres. And also who cares if an artist didn't play instruments or write their own songs? That didn't stop the Rock Hall from inducting the likes of Linda Ronstadt and 2Pac in recent years.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 00:07am

Let’s say that we start inducting artists who lip synch and dance. Then eventually what reason would there be to learn how to play a musical instrument at all? When individuals stop playing a musical instrument, then why even bother to create music? If you stop creating music, then you remove one major form of art. Why even have art, in the first place? Within three generations, music and then art will be outlawed. Do you really want that? Music and art are creative forms which enhance the spirit. Without them, you have oppression. Do you really want a future without art?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 00:19am

No, because most of those aforementioned artists had musicians accompany them on stage. Do you see any visible musical instruments being played during a Janet Jackson concert?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 00:22am

Nick,

I have at least a dozen reasons why I would not vote for Janet Jackson. You have not made any effort to change my mind.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 00:28am

I don't normally post full prediction lists, but I did accurately predict that Dire Straits would get a nomination last year out of the blue which I'm pretty proud of.

The only strong gut feeling I have for this year is that Judas Priest will get another nomination. They were the only act to get into the Top 5 of the fan poll that didn't get elected, and it's definitely easy to see that they have support from older and newer voters. Rob Halford, much like Mark Knopfler and Ric Ocasek, is another "rock icon" name that just jumps out at you as someone that's not yet in.

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 00:38am

I also think its pretty obvious that Radiohead and maybe Rage Against the Machine will get nominated this year as well.

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 00:40am

I still don’t follow your logic and I wasn’t trying to change your opinion. But rather try to understand your dismissive stance towards a specific artist who many consider one of the biggest Rock Hall snubs. In turn you have not convinced me that Jackson doesn’t belong in the HOF. By all means (and I’m genuinely curious), please post your dozen reasons why Jackson shouldn’t be in HOF and see if it stacks up.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 01:06am

1. In my honest opinion, her cover of Rolling Stone Magazine was tres de classe; it had not been iconic. If she had been from Alabama, Georgia, or perhaps Mississippi, it may have been acceptable, but because she is from Encino, California, it had been highly inappropriate. If she had appeared topless it would have probably been less controversial, but more poignant, or if she had worn a see through dress that would have been more iconic. However the fact that she had the audacity to appear with her boyfriend cupping her breasts had made the photo somewhat titillating, overall it had made that photo erotic, not assertive. Did it improve women’s lives or give in to various stereotypes? Also, acts of this kind, or nature should be in private, not public, in my honest opinion.

2. It is allegedly a well-known fact and several critics tend to agree that she frequently lip syncs in concert. Once in a while that may be okay, but repeatedly doing it begs the question of whether she can actually sing or not. Since, I have never actually heard Janet Jackson’s singing voice, I cannot say what it actually sounds like.

3. Relying on collaborators to write your songs for you, dismisses the overall impact of your songs. It is almost akin to how a committee or a corporation operates. If we were inducting the Janet Jackson band then that’s one thing, but instead she is a solo artist. She had certainly needed Jimmy Jam Harris and Terry Lewis’ assistance, in order to create her records. If you want to induct her, you really need to also induct all of her collaborators, which is extremely impractical.

4. Have you ever seen Janet smile during a performance? No. She had been happiest when she had been acting, then she had smiled. If you are not really interested in doing something, then you are really not going to put your best foot forward.

5. Her monotonous dance routines had frequently interrupted my brief opportunity to actually watch MTV. Imagine coming home after a hard day of work, only to be bombarded with dance video after dance video, instead of being able to watch what you want, when you had wanted to watch it. Unless you like that kind of thing, you may become quite annoyed by it, rather quickly.

6. Janet Jackson is from a famous family, therefore her access to various resources is certainly much different than you or I. She can afford to hire the best choreographers, the best writers, the best lyricists, the best dancers, the best vocalists, etc. is it fair to others who do their own work? So, what did she actually do?

7. I have never seen her actually play a musical instrument; have you?

8. Her deliberate attempt to be sexually provocative may be okay for some, but I happen to find it rather tedious. On the other hand, when she portrays an intelligent person that appeals to me. Unfortunately this happens only when she is acting.

9. She has received numerous industry awards, but these are based supposedly on sales, rather than other factors. If you have a big enough hype machine created by your record company, then you can accomplish having your songs played on the radio. Other artists are not quite so fortunate.


10. Although the “wardrobe malfunction” may have been accidental, in my honest opinion, it is wholly inappropriate to be sexually provocative during the Super Bowl. Please remember that kids tend to watch this. Although Justin Timberlake had been let off scoff free, her previous 1993 cover of Rolling Stone had probably set a precedent in the minds of Viacom which had banned her for several years.

11. None of her songs resonate with me, because I have never been either a teenage girl, nor a young gay man. So, although the album “The Velvet Rope” might have been critically praised, it had been highly controversial for the depictions of various sexual fetishes. Now, I can certainly understand writing a song about depression, but S &M, really?

12. I had attempted to watch the Billboard Icon award, but it had been quite painful. Plus those dance routines with that very short dress had been too risqué for my tastes. Also, her speech did not to be seem heartfelt. It had been contrived. I had difficulty remembering every single Rush song in order after that. It had been mind numbing and it took over 2 weeks for me to fully recover from it. ;-P

You asked if I had known of any individual who had enjoyed
prog and the work of Janet Jackson? Other than perhaps openly gay men, I cannot really think of a single individual.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 03:58am

On a positive note, at least Janet Jackson has made the effort to recognize her collaborators, whereas some artists end up being uncredited for their contributions. :-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 04:24am

Nick,

I have now given you 12 reasons, but I could have given you more, although those are quite personal. Of course, many of these responses tend to deal with my own personal tastes. So, I may appear to be quite prudish. It certainly comes with the territory. If you had asked me how long it had even since I had last fooled around with another person? The answer would have been not quite 40% of the time since my last proper vacation. My last proper vacation was in October, 1988. You can do the math. ;-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 04:43am

1 - Radiohead
2 - Janet Jackson
3 - Def Leppard
4 - Bad Company
5 - The Doobie Brothers
6 - Judas Priest
7 - LL Cool J
8 - Kraftwerk
9 - Depeche Mode
10 - The Smiths
11 - Nine Inch Nails
12 - Chaka Khan
13 - The Spinners
14 - Pixies
15 - Eurythmics
16 - Rage Against the Machine
17 - Jethro Tull
18 - Kool & the Gang
19 - Jane's Addiction

I'm very pessimistic about them trying something new, they'll probably go for all the Classic Rock Bands and maybe Radiohead and/or Janet Jackson. Trying to get them to induct something like Joy Division is like asking Donald Trump to be more friendly in his attitude towards mexicans, women and transgender people.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 05:07am

So, sorry I had meant to say, tres déclassé instead. I had instead placed a space in between. Pardon moi!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 05:58am

Enig, these aren’t really reasons to discount Jackson’s HOF creditability and it’s more your personal dislike of her work.

All musicians tend to lip-sync from time to time (it’s not right but it’s a fairly common practice sometimes). I’m sure Duran Duran has lip-synced once or twice in their career.

Elvis Presley (as an example) hardly ever wrote any his own songs and relied heavily on his producers and studio musicians. And nobody ever discredits Elvis’ impact on Rock (he was in fact one of the inaugural inductees back in ‘86). Jackson shouldn’t be held to a different standard. And she did write plenty of songs on her own like ‘Black Cat’ (her most rock-sounding songs in her career). Isn’t Music all about collaboration, so does it really matter if it’s one person or five people credited to a single song? Also there are a lot of pop singers who didn’t play instruments in their career. The voice is considered an instrument too, even if you don’t like her singing style.

Here is a video of Jackson briefly playing the keyboards on MTV in the late 1980s (admittedly not a lot of playing but she has played an instrument contrary to what you claim): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uDBUg8D0xoo

And by the way, you don’t have to belittle or stereotype an artist’s demographic. Gay men and women are not the only people who enjoy Janet Jackson’s music. She’s sold well over 100 million records, so her appeal can’t be that niche. I like Jackson’s music and I don’t identity with either group you claim resonates with her music. That’s like if I said only middle-aged, straight white men only like Progressive Rock. You would be offended by this statement (although I don’t subscribe to this viewpoint as I don’t equate music fandom with race/gender). You see how absurd the previous statement sounds. I’m more offended you think only two segments of the population enjoy Jackson’s music.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 12:17pm

Nick,

Back in the early days of Rock & Roll, artists did not have the ability to write their own material. Their songs were provided for them by other individuals. Even such “prog” groups as Procol Harum, King Crimson, ELP and Renaissance had relied upon designated lyricists. Fortunately, Yes, Rush and The Moody Blues for the most part had written their own songs, although, (they have also done covers of songs by other artists) throughout the majority of their career. Therefore, we know how Geddy, Alex and Neil, Jon, Steve, Bill, Alan, Rick, Tony, the late Chris Squire and Trevor Rabin feel about a certain subject. We also know how Graeme, Justin, John, Mike and the late Ray Thomas feel about a certain subject. If you hire outside collaborators to do your writing for you, then the whole essence of how you feel about a subject tends to lose it’s poignancy. If you happen to compose a song by yourself, then it is your work. Most of the individuals who enjoy progressive rock are middle aged males, but there are quite a few women also.

I simply do not understand Janet’s primary motivation to be sexually provocative. Perhaps if she had wanted to follow a more intellectual course, I would be onboard. But all of this other behavior detracts from her message. Why did she decide to do such a cover for Rolling Stone Magazine? Why did she create numerous dance routines? I do not understand it. I know about the old adage that sex, or perhaps controversy sells, but providing a less controversial image would have impressed me and I would have had a general feel for her music. Remember I have the ability to remain celibate, for extremely long periods of time, unlike many other individuals. If you are going to move me intellectually, I may enjoy what you have to offer. Otherwise, I have little desire to appreciate what you are offering.

The majority of Janet’s audience does happen to be young gay men and women who are in their 40’s. I have never met a heteronormative man who will admit to even listening to Janet Jackson.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 12:56pm

Enig, what does it matter if her audience is primarily women and gay men? Is someone less Hall worthy because of it? Your issues with her seem more to do with your own issues regarding women and their sexuality. Plenty of make rock stars have used their sexuality, Elvis shaking his hips for example, and don’t get nearly that hate for it. Just because something might be distasteful to you doesn’t mean that for other people it’s not liberating and empowering. Not everything has to be for you in order for it to be iconic or Hall worthy.

Posted by BJ on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 14:08pm

I've lost all hope and faith

THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. The Spinners
02. The Meters
03. Rufus/Chaka Khan
04. Jethro Tull
05. King Crimson
06. The Doobie Brothers
07. Kool & The Gang
08. The Commodores
09. Bad Company
10. Foreigner
11. Phil Collins
12. Janet Jackson
13. Rage Against The Machine
14. Radiohead
15. Soundgarden
16. Nine Inch Nails
17. LL Cool J
18. Dr. Dre
19. Snoop Dog

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 14:26pm

BJ,
I had actually been raised to be anti-sexual. I was told if you touch women, then they will cry rape and fooling around with men well that is a taboo also.
Therefore, you are correct. I am either anti-sexual, or asexual depending upon who you ask. So, I am primarily motivated by that which I happen to process through my mind, not through my hips. Yes, plenty of Rock Stars have used their sex appeal and for the most part, I have been completely turned off by it. As I have stated previously, appeal to me intellectually and I will be onboard. Now, for the most part, I do not generally dance either. Am I even human? It is anyone’s guess?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 14:44pm

BJ,

Also, I am not condemning Janet for appealing to either young gay men, or women in their 40’s, I am saying that I am completely turned off by her deliberately sexually provocative behavior. Show me an intellectual Janet and I may be much more open to listening to her. No, not everything has to be personally for me, but in order for me to endorse an artist, that artist has to appeal to me intellectually. If they do not, they will not receive my vote. ;-P

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 15:13pm

BJ

From a woman's perspective - back in her 80s videos JJ was putting on a sex show in order to sell music. I have seen men drool over her videos. This goes against what women have fought for in regards to equal rights and demanding respect. Same goes for Madonna but at least she could sing.

There are a lot of people who can not stand her or her family and this has to do with charges against Michael and how the family turned on LaToya. There is also some question about Micheal having ghost writers. What LR has to say about how they wrote We Are The World lends credence to this theory.

All being said I feel she simply does not have the talent to be in the hall. She has virtually no influence on r & r. She is straight up pop and not r & b as some people claim. I think a lot of what is said about her and is paid for publicity agents posing as fans. There were strange things happening in the poll under her name that points to a paid for operation running up her numbers

Lastly per Beyonce TLC set the mold for female r&b artists. She does not mention Janet.

I feel she simply does not have the talent

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 15:44pm

Wow, Enig mentioned the existence of his own sexuality TWICE in a 24-hour time period! He must be nearing his time of pon farr. I do feel sorry for his mother, though, knowing that's one child that will never give her grandbabies.

And yes, a lot of early rock and rollers could and did write or co-write their own songs. It just wasn't expected of them. But yes, Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Carl Perkins, etc. did write or co-write many of their songs. And a lot of members of vocal R&B groups wrote their songs, only to have the credit strong-armed from them... y'know, because they were Black.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 17:21pm

Enigmaticus makes some salient points about Janet Jackson's lip singing and the dancing routines. However, I have included Janet Jackson in my list of nominees for the last few years. It's important to look at the totality of an artist's work. Control was an important 80's album. Janet was only around 20 at that time. It was Janet taking "control" of her life. Also, symbolic of young women to take control of their lives. Rhythm Nation might be the best album. It touches on many topics. Black Cat might be my FAV JJ song. It's like heavy metal. I don't remember a sensual or sexualized Janet until the early 90's when Janet album dropped. She would have been around 26,27 then. Janet probably had grown up like most of us do and was more comfortable about her beliefs and her body. I think the Jackson Family Name cuts both ways. Sure, the Jackson name open doors but she succeeded on her own terms. If it was that easy 3 or 4 Jackson siblings would have been as Big as Michael, that did not happen. I believe the Super Bowl incident was overblown. It's a shame Janet had to carry that cross for so many years. In the end, it has been hammered into many of us about an artists Influence & Innovation. No doubt, Janet's influenced the female singers 90's time Brittany, Christina etc and the singing/dance bands that hit the charts. The different singing and dance numbers you can look at as innovation. It takes talent and energy to sing, dance, and remember several sequences over a 2 hour concert. I don't see Janet's voice as powerful as a Mariah Carey, Chris Cornell, Dio, or a Celine Dion but it was good enough to sell millions of records and CD's. I also think a JJ induction will open up spots for Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston in the future. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 17:46pm

Men have no business thinking that they can speak for women. Only a women can do that. The Jackson family paid for publicists became very evident after the accusations were made against Michael. It wasn't the name that gave JJ an edge. It was what the family money paid for. What is put out there is from publicists. It is different from the way fans act This was quite evident in the hall fan vote. Instead of a normal fan build up, voting levels jumped up. When the complaining started her voting levels pretty much died. That is indicative of a paid for effort and not a natural fan reaction.

How convenient to forget about LaToya. Family money must have been pulled when she said that Michael molested those children and that there was abuse in the family.

Again per Beyonce TLC was the big influence not JJ.

JJ does not need to be felt sorry for and no she did not grow up like you. She brought it all on her self. She used sex to sell records - not talent. 2 times her peers have said no. There are much more deserving women out there and it is bad enough that her brothers were put in. Since when is teenie bopper music rock and roll?

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 19:54pm

Beyonce’s biggest musical influence is Janet Jackson. A quick google search will explain it. She’s said it dozens of times.

I’m sure she liked TLC but I have no idea what you’re trying to imply.

Posted by Marissa on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 20:01pm

Marissa,

Look it up. Yes she says that JJ is a personal influence and I do not recall seeing her say biggest influence but just an influence. She has said that TLC set the template for female r&b artist,

My point is that JJ is not as big an influence as several people make her out to be. My point is that it isn't only me. Beyonce thinks TLC is more important as an influence and she has been rejected by her peers 2 times already. So there are plenty of artist who do not think she is deserving of induction either.

By the way I am not impressed with a woman who grew up so close to Chicago liking LZ. Her dad brought the kids up to Chicago trying to get them on the radio. She doesn't know that they stole from Howlin Wolf and Willie Dixon and tried to pass it off as their own original work. I am not impressed with a bunch of Brits who said that they could get American women to do whatever they wanted.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 20:19pm

AC/DC, The Animals, LaVern Baker, Hank Ballard, Beastie Boys, Black Sabbath, Bobby "Blue" Bland, Booker T & The M.G.'s, Ruth Brown, Buffalo Springfield, Solomon Burke, The Cars, Johnny Cash, Bobby Darin, The Dave Clark Five, Deep Purple, The Dells, Dion, Duane Eddy, The Flamingos, The Four Seasons, Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five, The Impressions, Jackson Five, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Gladys Knight & The Pips, Brenda Lee, Little Willie John, Darlene Love, Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Martha and The Vandellas, John Mellencamp, Joni Mitchell, The Moonglows, N.W.A, Laura Nyro, The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Wilson Pickett, Gene Pitney, The Platters, Lloyd Price, The (Young) Rascals, Jimmy Reed, Lou Reed, Sex Pistols, Del Shannon, The Shirelles, Patti Smith, Steely Dan, The Stooges, Donna Summer, The Supremes, Ike & Tina Turner, Ritchie Valens, The Velvet Undergound, Gene Vincent, The Yardbirds, Yes, and Frank Zappa.


All of these were rejected by their peers twice and, according to Zuzu, should not be in the Rock Hall.

Posted by Greg P. on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 22:45pm

Greg P

DO NOT TWIST MY WORDS!!!!!!

I never said that. I pointed out that she has been rejected 2xs.

1 There artist that are calling for oversight of the voting process. So we really do not know if the numbers now do we? Remember DC5? How many other times did this happen? The only reason the public heard about this one is probably because one of the nom com felt their toes were stepped on. Artist do talk to each other and I am sure they have heard more stories.

2 Was there competition or was the tickets they were on a garbage dump?

I don't know. Maybe you are just naive.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 08/26/2018 @ 23:07pm

Philip,

That was really quite hilarious. But actually, I had only experimented with sex for slightly more than a year. It had taken me 43 years before I had even wanted to try it in the first place and before I had turned 45, I had been completely over it. Now, that is what I definitely call- self control. I am much more Vulcan than most Vulcans! Vulcan’s had to do it every 7 years, remember? ;-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 08/27/2018 @ 01:55am

I definitely feel Janet Jackson has a great case for the Hall and should be inducted in the next 5 years.

She's not my cup of tea, musically, but she damned sure has a case.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 08/27/2018 @ 06:58am

Zuzu,

I'm not twisting your words. In two separate posts, you brought up the fact that she has been rejected two times by her peers. You implied that this proves many artists don't think she's deserving. I simply pointed out all the artists that were rejected at least twice before finally being inducted. I'm using facts, as opposed to some of the wild allegations you are making. But like you said, maybe I'm just naive.

Posted by Greg P. on Monday, 08/27/2018 @ 07:40am

Greg

When you read about artist saying the hall needs oversight you should question what is going on.

When you read about artist saying that there are people who have no business being in the hall maybe you need to open your mind to the possibility that it isn't about being a racist.

When judging an artist the first thing I look at is all music to get a general picture of who they work with and who is covering their work. 2 main things I keep in mind. An artist that has a mix of artist that were established before them, contemporary peers and artist that came out after them. Stop and think about the artist voting. They mostly came before who is being put up. Now look at JJ, she does not have much in the way of established and current. mostly it is those coming afterwards. Not a good sign that she will get votes. now look for diversity with genre. she has a very narrow band mostly influencing dance music. Not good the more artist from different genres that work with an artist the greater chance of getting votes.

Come on Greg way too many people are running off as if she is a shoe in. They need to be reminded that she has been rejected 2 times already.

You are not presenting facts. You are presenting JW's unvalidated assertions that these people got the vote.

I am not making wild allegations. I am basing this on what artist and former non com members are saying. Did you miss the links to what was said that were listed on this site?

You need to also look at what boomers think of the Jackson's. Most of the African American's I know that are my age listen to soul, funk and gospel. They do not listen to disco. They do not listen to J5 which is teenie bopper music and they do not listen to Michael Jackson which is again teenie bopper music.

Now is there actual support for JJ. I do not think so. When I looked up what her fansites were saying, there was no conversation and one did not even mention her nomination. So who is supporting her? There is a facebook page that only had a couple of hundred followers when all of a sudden that number ballooned into thousands. Did you know that followers can be purchased? If she is not getting support from fans then where is this support coming from? Could it be paid for manufactured support?

I think so. It is based on reading and interpreting the the data. It is not wild accusations. I am a numbers person. I have always been good with math and unlike most adults I still am able to perform higher level math calculations. I was even able to pass a programing class with flying colors about 15 years ago when I was about 45. Most adults can not do that. Most adults are barely capable of 3rd grade math. One of my instructors validated this. Now I have seen evidence that there are individuals on here are barely capable of 3rd grade math. So I have very little hope that what I am saying will make any sense to them and just go over their heads. I would not be surprised there will be mockery to cover up their deficiencies.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 08/27/2018 @ 09:26am

Zuzu,

"maybe you need to open your mind to the possibility that it isn't about being a racist"

When did I ever say anything remotely close to this?

I agree that the Rock Hall could use some overhaul in their induction process. I've been obsessed with the Rock Hall for 17 years - more than half of my life- and I'm the first one to admit the process needs more transparency. I think voting results should be audited and certified. I would also love for ballots to be required to be made public, as they are for baseball. That's the only way we will truly know who got the votes in a given year.

I don't think anyone is saying she is a shoo-in. Many people are predicting she will be nominated again this year, and arguing that her nomination and potential induction is deserved. If you disagree, that's fine. That's what is great about this forum. We all have our favorite artists who we think should be in and other artists we don't think should be in. It's fun to go back and forth.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I just love engaging in spirited debate, and the Rock Hall is one of my favorite subjects to talk about. Congrats on passing your math class- that is quite impressive. Math is very important and many people struggle with it, so it's admirable that you continue to study and practice.

Posted by Greg P. on Monday, 08/27/2018 @ 10:08am

Greg

Sorry to infer that you are a jerk. I sometimes am on the defensive because on numerous occasions I have had to deal with the bully squad coming out intending to ridicule and put down what I say as if it had no backing. It usually involves 5mor 6 people ganging up and I have also seen this done to other people. It is as if there are topics they refuse to allow to be discussed and they go out of their way push people out who do not agree with them. I really feel that this is a shame since when I look through past comments there was more open and diverse opinions that led to lively debate.

The racist comment is one I get a bit of on here. It wasn't targeted at you personally but as a general comment on what is said on this site in general. I do have the tendency to do that and it does get misinterpreted as being personal. There have been instances where trap and bait questions are used and then the bully squad shows up if you do not answer according to their dictates,

You need to go back and look at past comments to see why I see several people on here who think she is gaining support or that they know better than the voters who consist largely of inducted artist who have an insider's view and are professionals and need to be educated.

Another thing that gets blown off on here is that she may have the most yes votes (which I am suspicious of the source) she also has one of the most no votes. A lot of people do not consider the negativity toward the whole family due to the accusations against her brother. I think there are people that are afraid that if they speak up about this that they would be labeled a racist. They forget that when William Kennedy Smith tried running for office, women's groups banded together to put a stop to this. Anybody that knows survivors of rape or molestation knows that only a small percentage of instances result in conviction. I feel that less than 1% is not far off of actual figures.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 08/27/2018 @ 10:58am

Philip,

That was really quite hilarious. But actually, I had only experimented with sex for slightly more than a year. It had taken me 43 years before I had even wanted to try it in the first place and before I had turned 45, I had been completely over it. Now, that is what I definitely call- self control. I am much more Vulcan than most Vulcans! Vulcans had engage in Pon farr every 7 years, if I remember correctly. However, I have read that once every seven years, it is necessary to engage in this ritualistic activity to prevent them from dying. Luckily, I have no such restrictions, I am able to avoid intimate physical contact with another person for a much longer period of time. Just perhaps, I do not require it. I awaken with the ultimate realization that no one has ever loved me, no one loves me and no one ever will. That is how I start and end each and every day. Was that not fun? ;-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 08/28/2018 @ 02:37am

Philip,

That was really quite hilarious. But actually, I had only experimented with sex for slightly more than a year. It had taken me 43 years before I had even wanted to try it in the first place and before I had turned 45, I had been completely over it. Now, that is what I definitely call- self control. I am much more Vulcan than most Vulcans! Vulcans had to engage in pon farr every 7 years, if I remember correctly. However, I have read that once every seven years, it is necessary to engage in this ritualistic activity, in order to prevent them from dying. Luckily, I have no such restrictions, I am able to avoid intimate physical contact with another person for a much longer period of time. Just perhaps, I do not require it. I awaken with the ultimate realization that no one has ever loved me, no one loves me and no one ever will. That is how I start and end each and every day. Yet, I keep going. Was that not fun? ;-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 08/28/2018 @ 02:40am

1. Radiohead
2. Nine Inch Nails
3. Todd Rundgren
4. The Spinners
5. Kraftwerk
6. The Smiths
7. Roxy Music
8. Jethro Tull
9. Judas Priest
10. Janet Jackson
11. Bad Company
12. LL Cool J
13. New York Dolls
14. War
15. The B-52’s
16. Chaka Khan
17. Blue Oyster Cult
18. The J. Geils Band
19. Big Star

Posted by Ryan on Tuesday, 08/28/2018 @ 19:28pm

2019 ballot prediction:

1. OutKast
2. Beck
3. Radiohead
4. Janet Jackson
5. LL Cool J
6. Eurythmics
7. The Go-Go’s
8. Phil Collins
9. The Doobie Brothers
10. Carole King
11. The Spinners
12. Judas Priest
13. Bad Company
14. Joe Cocker
15. The Marvelettes
16. The Zombies
17. Neil Sedaka

Posted by Spinning45 on Tuesday, 08/28/2018 @ 21:18pm

Rufus and Chaka Khan
Beck
Radiohead
Nine Inch Nails
The Marvelettes
Alice in Chains
Soundgarden
Bonnie Tyler
Sonic Youth
Smashing Pumpkins
Pixies
Janet Jackson
Whitney Houston
The Cure
Bjork
Kraftwerk
Alanis Morissette
Rage Against The Machine

Posted by akeem on Tuesday, 08/28/2018 @ 23:16pm

This fan vote that is going on at the hall is totally meaningless.

First off we do not have any assurances that they are not playing with the vote totals. there have been comments made by artist that suggest this is very possible.

Second this is a statistically unsound sample, What about people who do not go to the hall? My stat instructor brought up mall surveys as an example and this is right in line with that.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 09/1/2018 @ 16:30pm

Ben,

Welcome back to this forum. You may find this to be quite a fun read; it can often be quite hilarious at times! Enjoy!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 09/4/2018 @ 10:04am

Zuzu and Enig are the same person. Please look it up.

Posted by Marissa on Tuesday, 09/4/2018 @ 11:08am

Marissa,

Is this a case of accusing somebody else of something you are guilty of?

It would answer the group think question.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 09/4/2018 @ 11:15am

Hello everyone,

I had no idea that the predictions site was on here. I think thats different than other years. I will have a full list of predictions in a few days. I feel that some of the Nominees will be Bad Company,Judy Collins, The Cure, Def Leppard, Jethro Tull and Judas Priest as well as Beck and Dave Matthews Band as new eligibles. I will have full list in a few days.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 09/4/2018 @ 22:09pm

Marissa,

LMAO! That would be the second-most bizarre case of multiple accounts I would've ever encountered. But yeah, I don't think so.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 09/4/2018 @ 22:38pm

Zach o wait I mean Marissa now I mean Philip

The only one getting fooled is you.

Suggestion you really need to look things up before you open your mouth because you only end up looking the fool. all anybody needs to do is look up Radio hall of fame pbs broadcasters hall of fame to know you have no idea what you are taking about,

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 06:06am

I missed out on this Forum in August. I guess its time to give up to date list of predictions for the 2019 Rock Hall.

Bad Company
Beck
Blood,Sweat & Tears
Judy Collins
The Cure
Def Leppard
The Eurythmics
J. Geils Band
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Dave Matthews Band
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Tina Turner
Steve Winwood
The Zombies
Those just missing the cut:Alice in Chains, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, The Monkees and Roxy Music

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 09:04am

Marissa,

Does listening to Janet Jackson repeatedly happen to obscure your objectivity?if so, then please count me out!

For one thing, I am not a woman, of Eastern European ancestry. I am not almost 60 years of age and I have actually never lived inside the city of Chicago, therefore I cannot be Zuzu.

Let’s see, I would probably have to lose approximately 100 lbs and several inches in height, have a sex change operation and shave off my 14 year old beard, in order to even remotely qualify. Oh and by the way, I am not the only individual who does not think that Janet Jackson is not worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame either. Outside of this particular website, most of the people who I know (in the real world) happen to feel exactly the same way.

To put it quite simply, Janet Jackson has not been snubbed; she has been nominated twice previously and has been rejected my most of the voting populace. :-P

Ben,

You see, I had told you that this page could be quite hilarious, or is it ridiculous? I will let you decide.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 09:58am

Marissa,

Does listening to Janet Jackson repeatedly happen to obscure your objectivity? If that is so, then please count me out!

For one thing, I am not a woman, of Eastern European ancestry. I am not almost 60 years of age and I have actually never lived inside the city of Chicago, therefore I cannot be Zuzu. Enigmaticus does not equal Zuzu.

Let me see, I would probably have to lose approximately 100 lbs., several inches in height, have a sex change operation (which I am most definitely not willing to do) and shave off my 14 year old beard, in order to even remotely qualify. Oh and by the way, I am not the only individual who does not think that Janet Jackson is not worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, either. Outside of this particular website, most of the people who I know (in the real world) happen to feel exactly the same way.

To put it quite simply, Janet Jackson has not been snubbed; she has been nominated twice previously and has been rejected my most of the voting populace. :-P

Ben,

You see, I had told you that this page could be quite hilarious, or is it ridiculous? I will let you decide.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 10:06am

You're a sad individual. THANK GOD you have no influence on anything. Although I think you think you do.

Crazy Train!

Posted by marissa on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 10:54am

So now I will discuss some details about my list above. I posted a prediction list back around May. I have edited that. Now that the great Moody Blues are finally in I think Jethro Tull is easily the next in line for a Prog Rock Group. Bad Company and J Geils Band make sense as some other 70s Rock choices. I expect these to be nominated. I do NOT think that J Geils Banf will be inducted. The committee can keep trying.

So talk about Wild and kind of ridiculous. I agree with a lot of Enig's choices. So many are terrific. Enig makes some Valid points about Janet Jackson with her lip syching and Dance moves. I personally dont think belongs in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. She is very much Pop. However, having said that the Hall does NOT agree. These are predictions. I DO NOT like all my predictions. I dont like the Cure either. They have a depressing style to me. Ahh But the Cure have a huge following and many of my friends in College back in the 80s loved the Cure.

Now Blood, Sweat and Tears and Judy Collins are 2 60s choices that have been totally snubbed before. Hey if Joan Beaz could even be nominated why not Judy Collins. I dont know that much of her material but she was a very successful folk act of the 60s and 70s.

I do think The Spinners will get another try. They represent Old R&b nicely. I happnen to think Tina Turner could be nominated out of Nowhere. I expect acts kike Def Leppard, Eurythmics and Steve Winwood to be nominated. Steve Winwood was inducted with Traffic but NOT for his Solo work. Just like the Dire Straits, Steve Winwood would be a strong 80s choice due to his Classic Rock appeal. He could probably be inducted easily. Thats it for NOW.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 12:15pm

Ben,

Welcome back.

Some info on Judy Collins:

Farewell To Tarwathie - infused whale song in a song and set the groundwork for sales of an album totally devoted to whale song

Inspiration for the the breakout song Suite Judy Blue Eyes

Helped new artist by putting them on the map
Leonard Cohen - Suzanne recorded and she dragged him on stage with her
Joni Mitchell - recorded Both Sides Now and put Joni on the map

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 13:07pm

Janet will and SHOULD get in. Carry on.

Posted by Yep on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 16:24pm

I just want to mention a little known fact. Steve Winwood was nominated around 2002. I looked that up a year ago. When that failed the Hall went with Traffic. Years later it makes sense to have Steve Winwood on the Ballot. He would have one of the best chances as an 80s act. Arc of a Diver and Back in the High Life were very successful. He also had a huge hit with Roll with It in 1988.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 16:43pm

Sorry, he does NOT deserve to be a member of the Clyde McPhatter Club!

Then again, neither does Clyde McPhatter...

Posted by EDS on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 17:52pm

I'm curious why these prediction lists don't have more Alice In Chains. They recently released Rainier Fog and should be the next in line of the Seattle scene groups inducted. Jerry Cantrell is a widely respected musician and AIC has continued to be popular after Layne's death. Cantrell & Ann Wilson contributed to the Chris Cornell tribute last year. They have been influential to the new metal groups and innovative in the Cantrell-Layne trade off vocals. I wouldn't be surprised if AIC receives a nomination this year. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 18:16pm

I know what some of you are thinking. Let it go about the J. Geils Band. I would but I dont think Steve Van Zant. I do NOT think J. Geils Band will ever be inducted.Little Steven Van Zant and the Hall will try. They could make it as a Blues Rock choice in the Hall. However there are other choices with a better chance. Nonetheless J.Geils Band can probably be nominated.

Now another 70s Rock choice can be Jethro Tull. They have a strong catalog of Albums.They could easily be the Prog choice for the Hall. They had a whole bunch of Key Albums. Stand Up, Benefit, Aqualung and of course Thick as a Brick.

Another side of the 70s would be Rufus featuring Chaka Khan and The Spinners. Old 70s R&B groups are usually nominated. The Spinners have been nominated a bunch of times. Now Years back the O'Jays were inducted yet the Spinners always miss. I have never understood that. They had plenty of hits like Could It Be Im Falling and Games People Play. So There is some 70s acts to go over.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 19:00pm

Ben,

I think the NomComm is likely to figure that Soundgarden would be from the same relative group of artists, and with the Chris Cornell tribute, Soundgarden's a more likely pick.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 22:59pm

Phiip,

I do agree. You may have been partly responding to the Post from King. He talked about Alice in Chains earlier. Soundgarden is indeed from the same group of artists. The Chris Cornell tribute was a perfect sign that they are a more likely pick. I had NOT given details of my 90s choices yet.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 23:24pm

I thought Outkast was up next year? To me, pretty much a 1st ballot lock.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 09/6/2018 @ 06:59am

My predictions for this year's nominees are:

Bad Company
Black Flag
Chaka Khan
Eurythmics
The J. Geils Band
Janet Jackson
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
MC5
Nine Inch Nails
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Roxy Music
Todd Rundgren
The Spinners
Toots & The Maytals
War
The Zombies

Posted by richie on Thursday, 09/6/2018 @ 12:50pm

My predictions:

Bad Company
Beck
Bjork
The Doobie Brothers
Eurhythmics
The Go-Gos
The J. Geils Band
Janet Jackson
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
The Meters
Motorhead
The New York Dolls
Radiohead
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Gil Scott-Heron
The Smiths
The Zombies

Posted by Ian on Thursday, 09/6/2018 @ 15:45pm

Now like last year. I expect a lot of 80s nominees. There was last year. I dont know if anyone has noticed but I predict the Cure each year in recent years. This is a perfect example of an act that dont like that much at all but I acknowledge their chance for nomination in tbe Hall. Def Leppard is much more up my alley. I am predicting them too for sure. Def Lep can represent Arena Rock the way Journey and tjen Bon Jovi did. I happen to think the Eurythmics have a good chance getting on ballot. Annie Lennox and also Dave Stewart are well liked in tbe Music business.

Janet Jackson and Tina Turner are 2 other picks of the 80s for me. They are both Females with big careers in the 80s and 90s. I prefer Tina T but Janet J probably would have more of a chance. Nonetheless I can see a nomination for Tina Turner.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 09/6/2018 @ 19:31pm

I wouldn't be surprised to see Ben E. King back on the ballot after a long absence. Spanish Harlem and Stand By Me are some great songs. It seems every year the Nom Com nominates a recently deceased artist for nomination. I know it's been a couple of years since Mr. King's passing but maybe this is the year he is nominated for his solo work. He has plenty of respect from artists and singers in the music industry.

Posted by KING on Friday, 09/7/2018 @ 07:23am

King,

I do agree that Ben E. King has some good songs with Spanish Harlem and Stand By Me. But I think Ben E. King may b inducted instead through the new singles category. Stand By Me could easily get inducted. That could happen the same way as Louie Louie and Whiter Shade of Pale last year..

Ben E. King could be a possible 60s choice but I am going with Blood, Sweat & Tears, Judy Collins and the Zombies. I feel these acts have more than just one single that is real known. It is clear that The Hall is still open to acts from very long ago in the 60s or before. Hey Nina Simone, Sister Rosetta Tharpe and Joan Baez have been nominated in recent years. There is Now this new Singles category to consider.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 09/7/2018 @ 08:27am

SECOND INDUCTIONS

Ben E. King
Carole King
Tina Turner

MOTOWN

Mary Wells
The Marvelettes
The Spinners

POP

Dionne Warwick
Chubby Checker
The Monkees
Jan & Dean

FOLK

Phil Ochs
Judy Collins
Peter, Paul & Mary
The Kingston Trio

PROG

Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Emerson, Lake & Palmer

JAZZ-ROCK-R&B

Blood, Sweat & Tears
Kool & The Gang
The Commodores

ROCK & ROLL

Foreigner
The Doobie Brothers

Posted by Roy on Friday, 09/7/2018 @ 16:19pm

Roy,

If this is your list, it is probably your best one. Congratulations! In accordance with genre, I will repost my list, accordingly.


PROG

Procol Harum
The Zombies
Jethro Tull
Duran Duran

SINGERS/SONGWRITERS

Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Stevie Nicks

HARD ROCK/HEAVY METAL

Foreigner
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden

JAZZ and RHYTHM and BLUES

Sade
Crystals

ROCK AND ROLL

Doobie Brothers
Monkees

ALTERNATIVE, NEW WAVE and/or GRUNGE

Eurythmics
Radiohead
The Cure
Soundgarden

SINGERS

Cher

SINGERS/ MUSICIANS

Glen Campbell

RAP ARTISTS

LL Cool J
Snoop Dogg

Of course, the Rock Hall could surprise us with other nominees. In my honest opinion, either Garth Brooks, Shania Twain, or Bjork could show up on this list also.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 09/7/2018 @ 19:55pm

I would do my list by Genre but I find some of my picks are hard to categorize. Jethro Tull is clearly Prog. Bad Company and J. Geils Band are Rock n'Roll. Beck, The Cure, Eurythmics and Soundgarden are New Wave/Alternative/Grunge. However some are hard to categorize on my list. I dont know how to categorize Steve Winwood and the Zombies. I dont feel those 2 go in either Rock n'Roll or Prog. I feel Prog was first created by a group like the Moody Blues. The Zombies pre date that. So some are tricky. So will abstain from that kind of list. There are other ones that are easy like Judy Collins-Folk and JanetJackson, Rufus, the Spinners, Tina Turner-R&b. There is a couple others that are clear like my Rap choice and Hard Rock/Heavy Metal. But NOT alll of mine are.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 09/8/2018 @ 16:18pm

Here is my prediction of who I think WILL be nominated this year, in no particular order (assuming they have 19 on the ballot again this year):

MC5
J. Geils Band
Beck
LL Cool J
Depeche Mode
Outkast
Janet Jackson
Eurythmics
Sheryl Crow
Radiohead
Kate Bush
Roxy Music
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
Doobie Brothers
Soundgarden
Def Leppard
Spinners
Zombies

These are the 19 I believe SHOULD be nominated:

J. Geils - Depeche Mode - Janet - Radiohead - Kate Bush - Zombies - Beck - Outkast - Roxy - Soundgarden

Monkees - The Jam - Kraftwerk - Weird Al Yankovic - The Cure - Replacements - Husker Du - New York Dolls - The Smiths

Cheers,

Dano

Posted by Dan Paquette on Sunday, 09/9/2018 @ 18:03pm

I do think the nominees for the 2019 Rock Hall I have are diverse. As far as Janet Jackson. Enig makes some good points about Janet Jackosn's lip synching and dance routines. However, like King I have included Janet Jackson in my list of nominees in the last few years. Control was an important album of the 80s. She was about 20 at that time. Rhythm Nation might be her biggest album, Now the thing is if Judy Collins is on the ballot I think it will be Judy Collins who wins as an inductee NOI Janet Jackson. This is where I veer off from King. I think only one Female act would end up inducted. Judy Collins would be inducted hands down. 2 years ago Joan Baez was inducted and last year it was Nina Simone. Janet J. was NOT even on the ballot last year.

It is about the Votes. I just don't think Janet Jackson can get enough votes from the Voters. Judy Collins is logical as both a nominee and inductee. Judy Collins would blow away Janet J. Just like the last couple years a female folk singer has a good chance. Both Sides Now was a huge hit. It was also done by Joni Mitchell. The entire album Wildflowers was a key album for Judy Collins in 1967. I do know of Farewell to Tawarthie. So I was covering more about Judy Collins here.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 09/10/2018 @ 11:22am

I did Have to look it up. The Album with Whale sounds on it is Whales and Nightingales. It came out in the early 70s. I have heard her version of Send in The Clowns. I own a couple Judy Collins songs. I do at least own Both Sides Now. I do think she can easily be nominated. I do think some Folk or Jazz artist will be nominated. I heard a lot of Folk shows on New York radio. Thats why I know a bit about Judy Collins.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 09/10/2018 @ 11:49am

That time of year again! My picks are:

1. Bad Company
2. Janet Jackson
3. The Monkees
4. Alice in Chains
5. Depeche Mode
6. Whitney Houston
7. The Spinners
8. Kraftwerk
9. Def Leppard
10. Snoop Dogg
11. Duran Duran
12. Kate Bush
13. Pat Benatar
14. Radiohead
15. Rage Against the Machine
16. Smashing Pumpkins
17. Herman's Hermits
18. Jethro Tull
19. Iron Maiden

My picks to go in, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Rage Against the Machine, Monkees, Jethro Tull, bad Company and Whitney Houston

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 09/10/2018 @ 13:11pm

So the question becomes, will the Rock Hall forego prog now that the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) have been inducted, or will they give groups such as The Zombies, Procol Harum, Jethro Tull and Duran Duran a vote? My feelings are that since The Cars and the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) have been inducted, the door should swing open for Duran Duran and Jethro Tull. So, I think that K-Dawg, The Dude and a few others have done an outstanding job with their nomination lists, with one exception.

I think that the posthumous inductions of the late great Sister Rosetta Tharpe and of course, the late Nina Simone attest to the fact that the Rock Hall wants to include more influential women. My guess is that Helen Folasade Adu and her namesake band- Sade will end up being being the recipients of this trend. Sade has been long overdue for nomination and they may be releasing their 7th studio album in the near future.

Someone always complains about the exclusion of Pat Benatar, especially Kristen Studard of the “Who Cares About The Rock Hall Podcast.” Kristen may get her wish and a Pat Benatar nomination would not be outrageous. There has also been quite a buzz about Cher, so I have included her on my list also. Before Cher had become a television personality, she had been a recording artist, first with her late former husband- Sonny Bono and later as a solo artist. Also, although Stevie Nicks has previously been inducted with Fleetwood Mac, I think that her solo career is quite noteworthy also. Of course, my all-time favorite female singer/songwriter is Carly Simon and I think that since Joan Baez had been inducted in 2017, they may add Carly Simon to the Nominee’s list, as well.

Rolling Stone Magazine has recently gone country, because country has become more Rock & Roll over time. When the members of Zac Brown’s band had played ‘The Spirit Of Radio’ in Toronto, you may begin to realize just how much influence bands like Rush and The Moody Blues had on the country genre. This is a wildcard. Who may receive a nomination? I think that the late Glen Campbell, who had also been a session guitarist and touring member of The Beach Boys and Willie Nelson could be quite probable, plus Garth Brooks and Shania Twain are also quite possible, due to their crossover appeal. There is also a contingency in favor of Dolly Parton and the late Patsy Cline, but I would be extremely surprised if they did receive a nomination. .

Heavy metal and hard rock artists should be given a chance also. Last year, Judas Priest had been nominated, but had failed to get enough votes. However, I do not think that Judas Priest will be alone in this. I think that Iron Maiden will be appear as their competition.

As far as hard rock/arena rock bands are concerned, I think that Foreigner is a huge possibility. Foreigner had been extremely successful in the U.S. plus the previous inductions of: Heart, Cheap Trick, Journey and Bon Jovi May work in their favor.

As far as alternative bands are concerned, I think that the fact that the late Chris Cornell had received a posthumous tribute at the 2018 Induction Ceremony speaks to the idea that Soundgarden will probably receive their first nomination. Radiohead, who I am not particularly enamored of will probably receive a nomination also.

Eurythmics had received a nomination last year and had done relatively well in the polls. I think that they will be back, plus there has been a contingent interested in The Cure. So, a nomination for The Cure May not be outrageous. Bjork is also a possibility.

I am not particularly fond of gangsta rap; I absolutely detest Dr. Dre and N.W.A. and had been quite lukewarm about Tupac’s induction. However, I do not think that rap is an illegitimate form of self expression either. I think that LL Cool J and Snoop Dogg would be good representatives of this genre.

Regarding R & B, I think that either Tina Turner, or Chaka Khan would be great choices. Although I had originally chosen The Crystals, I now think that either Lionel Richie, or Kool and The Gang are good choices. I personally am okay with both making the ballot.

Now, what you have all been waiting for- two legitimate Rock & Roll bands- both long time snubs- The Monkees and The Doobie Brothers. With Irving Azoff’s interest in seeing The Doobie Brothers inducted, plus the possibility of a Monkee’s nomination probable, especially due to posthumous member Davy Jones. why not place both of them on the ballot?

My preliminary list, therefore is:

01. Duran Duran
02. Jethro Tull
03. Sade
04. Pat Benatar
05. Cher
06. Stevie Nicks
07. Carly Simon
08. Glen Campbell
09. Willie Nelson
10. Garth Brooks
11. Shania Twain
12. Judas Priest
13. Iron Maiden
14. Foreigner
15. Soundgarden
16. Radiohead
17. Eurythmics
18. The Cure
19. LL Cool J
20. Snoop Dogg
21. Lionel Richie
22. Kool & The Gang
23. The Monkees
24. The Doobie Brothers

Who does not make the list? Neither Procol Harum, nor The Zombies. Maybe, they will receive a nomination next year.

Well, what do you, think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 09/11/2018 @ 10:29am

Corrections:

Heavy metal and hard rock artists should be given a chance also. Last year Judas Priest had been nominated, but had failed to get enough votes. However I do not think that Judas Priest will be alone in this. I think that Iron Maiden will also appear as their competition.

As far as hard rock/arena rock bands are concerned, I think that Foreigner is a huge possibility. Plus, the previous inductions of: Heart, Cheap Trick, Journey and Bon Jovi may work in their favor. Plus, Lou Gramm and Mick Jones have been previously inducted into the Songwriter’s Hall Of Fame.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 09/11/2018 @ 10:57am

Corrections:

Heavy metal and hard rock artists should be given a chance also. Last year Judas Priest had been nominated, but had failed to get enough votes. However, I do not think that Judas Priest will be alone in this. I think that Iron Maiden will also appear as their competition. By the way, I had also considered Def Leppard also.

As far as hard rock/arena rock bands are concerned, I think that Foreigner is a huge possibility. Plus, the previous inductions of: Heart, Cheap Trick, Journey and Bon Jovi may work in their favor. Plus, Lou Gramm and Mick Jones have been previously inducted into the Songwriter’s Hall Of Fame.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 09/11/2018 @ 10:59am

Pop:
Janet Jackson

Metal/Hard Rock:
Iron Maiden
Nine Inch Nails
Rage Against The Machine

Electronic/New Wave:
Duran Duran
Kraftwerk
Roxy Music

Alternative:
Radiohead
Beck
The Cure

Punk:
Black Flag

Hip-Hop:
LL Cool J
OutKast (Doubtful, but wishful thinking)

"Classic" Rock:
J. Geils Band (Unfortunately)
The Doobie Brothers
The Monkees
Stevie Nicks

Country:
Gram Parsons

R&B/Soul:
Joe Tex

Who I want: Radiohead, NIN, Kraftwerk, Janet Jackson, Roxy Music, OutKast

Who deserves it most: Radiohead, NIN, Kraftwerk, Janet Jackson, The Cure, Gram Parsons

Who Will Get It: Stevie Nicks, The Doobie Brothers, Radiohead, NIN, Janet, Duran Duran

Posted by Tinky Winky on Tuesday, 09/11/2018 @ 12:19pm

I'm surprised so many of you are missing OutKast. They will be nominated. 99.999% chance on that.

I consider them pretty much a 1st ballot lock, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 09/11/2018 @ 13:00pm

Hey "enig" -

Get ready to writhe in agony when Janet Jackson makes the ballot. It's a smidge bizarre to read about your consistent obsession with Janet.

My hopes are with The Cure, The Smiths, Outkast, Kate Bush, The Spinners, Depeche Mode, Pat Benatar among others.

Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 09/11/2018 @ 14:14pm

1. Def Leppard
2. Warren Zevon
3. Roxy Music
4. Soundgarden
5. Duran Duran
6. The Monkees
7. Doobie Brothers
8. Todd Rundgren
9. Commodores
10. Janet Jackson
11. Kraftwerk
12. Radiohead
13. Depeche Mode
14. J. Geils Band
15. Chaka Khan
16. Zombies
17. Nine Inch Nails
18. Judas Priest
19. Eurythmics

Inductees

Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
Radiohead
Doobie Brothers
Duran Duran
Warren Zevon

Life Time Achievement

The Monkees

Posted by Kyle on Tuesday, 09/11/2018 @ 15:41pm

Monkees not happening; give it up already...

Posted by EDS on Tuesday, 09/11/2018 @ 18:41pm

KING'S FINAL 2018 RRHOF NOMINEES LIST and 2019 INDUCTEES. My only change will be The Cure adding on and splitting up Stevie Nicks & Steve Winwood to satisfy the complainers. I inadvertently left off The Cure from the 1st list.
1. Bad Company
2. Stevie Nicks
3. The Cure
4. Alice In Chains
5. Def Leppard
6. Procol Harum
7. Janet Jackson
8. Foreigner
9. Nine Inch Nails
10. Steve Winwood
11. Depeche Mode
12. Judas Priest
13. Radiohead
14. Kool & The Gang
15. Bryan Adams
16. Rage Against The Machine
17. Chaka Khan/Rufus
18. The Offspring
19. Beck
20. LL Cool J
21. Peter, Paul, & Mary.
2019 INDUCTEES!
1. Stevie Nicks
2. Bad Company
3. LL Cool J
4. Judas Priest
5. Janet Jackson
6. Def Leppard
SPECIAL AWARDS-Musical Excellence. The Zombies & Willie Nelson.
INDUCTED SONGS.
1.American Woman-The Guess Who
2.Turn, Turn,Turn-The Byrds
3.Stand By Me-Ben E. King
4.Get Together-The Youngbloods
5.Surf City-Jan & Dean
6.Crystal Blue Persuasion-Tommy James & The Shondells. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 09/12/2018 @ 08:07am

King,

I see you added the Cure. I agree with this. I am not a fan at all. I grew up when they were big in the 80s. I have always generally been into Classic Rock and Old Rock in general as well as some 80s Hard Rock. I have expanded my scope of the Hall to include The Cure and the Smiths. There is almost always some 80s Alt act nominated in the last 7 years or so. I don't expect any of these 80s Alt acts to be inducted all that soon. There is too many Veteran Voters like Pete Townsend and Paul Simon that vote.

Now Steve Winwood is another I agree with. His solo career was in high gear in the 80s. He appeals to lots of vintage Classic rockers. Many veteran musicians have played with Mr. Winwood.I think you accidentally Had Steve Winwood together with Stevie Nicks.

As far as 90s picks I am sticking with Beck and Soundgarden as well as Dave Matthews Band. I don't there will be more than 3 90s acts at one time. So Limiting to 3 90s acts I chose those.

I think the posthumous inductions of Sister Rosetta Tharpe and Nina Simone certainly attests to the fact the Hall wants to induct more Woman who do Folk, Jazz and Gospel. I see you chose Peter,Paul and Mary to cover folk music. I am predicting Judy Collins instead since she is a Solo woman in the Folk genre. These are some thoughts on your list.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/12/2018 @ 11:42am

Should be there since long time:

Performer

1. Gram Parsons

2. T. Rex

3. Joe Cocker

4. Johnny Winter

5. Thin Lizzy

6. Roy Buchanan

7. Marianne Faithfull

8. Nico

9 Cliff Richard & The Shadows

10. Rory Gallagher

Early Influence

Big Mamma Thornton

The Carter Family

Sideman

The Jordonaires

Nicky Hopkins


Non Performer

Ed Sullivan

Posted by Denis on Wednesday, 09/12/2018 @ 18:25pm

Blue Oyster Cult should be in the HOF

Posted by Walt on Wednesday, 09/12/2018 @ 20:20pm

Mike,

Will I writhe in agony if Janet Jackson receives a nomination, however unlikely that it actually may be? No, but I can think of at least a hundred, or perhaps maybe even a thousand artists, who are much more worthy of induction than your favorite artist is. By the way, my three favorite artists aka “the holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) have already been inducted and in exactly the numerical order of my preferences. Have your favorite artists been inducted yet?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 09/13/2018 @ 10:44am

Lostprophets
MC5
Kraftwerk
Rage Against the Machine
Gram Parsons

Link Wray (early influence)

Ed Sullivan (non-performer)

Posted by Jared Brown on Thursday, 09/13/2018 @ 14:53pm

Poison
Willie Nelson
The Cure
Iron Maiden
T. Rex

Posted by Fifi on Thursday, 09/13/2018 @ 14:54pm

Enig, as far as prog rock goes, my gut really tells me this is Jethro Tull's year. Of course, I was sure Bad Company was going to get in last year, but I feel the trends are far more in the favor of Jethro this year. How have they never even had a nomination with one of THE most famous riffs ever with "Aqualung" alone?

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 09/13/2018 @ 23:41pm

K-Dawg,

I would not disagree with you at all. I expect to see both Jethro Tull and Duran Duran receive nominations for Rock Hall inductions in October of this year. Inducting “prog” bands with constantly changing lineups is really hard to do. Who do you induct, when you induct Jethro Tull?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 09/14/2018 @ 10:18am

My predicitons :

Bad Company
Beck
Janet Jackson
Eurhythmics
Nine Inch Nails
Warren Zevon or Harry Nillsson
Snoop Dogg
Todd Rundgren
Peter Frampton
Smashing Pumpkins
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Procol Harum
The Spinners
War
Rufus or Chaka
J. Geils Band
X
Stevie Nicks

Posted by Scotty Mac on Friday, 09/14/2018 @ 23:27pm

Scotty Mac.
I really like the X pick for nomination. They have some albums on the Top 500 or Top 1,000 lists. It seems there have been 1 or 2 picks the Nom Com pulls out every year fo mess up someone's perfect prediction. I'd love to hear Burning House Of Love at the closing Induction Ceremony. Looovvveeee! X was chopped off my Final 40 around 32. I'm thinking about bringing X on my ballot next year. Scotty Mac, you have 1 of the best prediction lists. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 09/15/2018 @ 02:00am

I may have to update my list and replace The Monkees with The Carpenters. I have also decided to re-add The Zombies and Procol Harum, therefore here is my revised preliminary list:

01. Duran Duran
02. Jethro Tull
03. Sade
04. The Carpenters
05. Doobie Brothers
06. Pat Benatar
07. Carly Simon
08. Stevie Nicks
09. Tina Turner
10. Shania Twain
11. Eurythmics
12. The Cure
13. Lionel Richie
14. The Zombies
15. Procol Harum
16. Radiohead
17. Soundgarden
18. LL Cool J
19. Outkast
20. Beck
21. Judas Priest
22. Foreigner
23. Bad Company
24. Willie Nelson
25. Garth Brooks
26. Glen Campbell
27. Kate Bush

I have removed: Cher, The Monkees, Snoop Dogg, Kool & The Gang and Iron Maiden; I have added Tina Turner, The Carpenters, Bad Company, Kate Bush, Beck and Outkast.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/15/2018 @ 11:55am

You realize they're NOT gonna nominate that many acts, right?
#espthecarpenters

Posted by EDS on Saturday, 09/15/2018 @ 13:37pm

I still think we’re gonna get nineteen this year, but it’s possible we might get more than that if there are any changes coming. Look at the Baseball Hall of Fame. They’re most recent ballot had more than thirty nominees for the 2018 Class.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 09/15/2018 @ 14:54pm

*Their

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 09/15/2018 @ 14:55pm

Most of the Baseball HoF ballots have about 30 or so nominees- won't mean anything re. what the Rock Hall does...

Posted by EDS on Saturday, 09/15/2018 @ 16:13pm

Mike,

Will I writhe in agony if Janet Jackson receives a nomination, however unlikely that that outcome may actually be? No, but I can think of at least a hundred, or perhaps maybe even a thousand artists, especially Sade, who are much more worthy of induction than your favorite artist is. By the way, my three favorite artists aka the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) have already been inducted and in exactly the numerical order of my preferences. In other words, Rush had been inducted first, followed 4 years later by Yes, and 5 years later by The Moody Blues. Let me refresh your memory:

My list of 2013 inductees:

Donna Summer (posthumously)
Heart (two sisters who had dominated a band, whose great singles are still being played on the radio).

Rush (their long term snub is starting to reach critical mass, even Rolling Stone magazine readers are in favor of this. Rush was voted greatest prog rock band of all time by their readers). They are ranked third in most consecutive gold and platinum albums behind The Beatles and The Rolling Stones.

Yes (IMHO, if you induct Rush, then you absolutely must induct Yes), but probably not necessarily in 2013.
Yes was instrumental in starting prog rock, plus 90125 was a danceable hit album.

I think that The Moody Blues deserve a nod also, for inventing the "prog rock" genre. Compared to the amount of time that they have waited, this will be relatively soon. Technically, Rush is not really heavy metal, and most of their songs are not that hard anyway.

By the way, that is what I had written 6 years ago. My only mistake had been in thinking that Supertramp would have been inducted by now.


Which of your favorite artists have thus far been inducted?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/15/2018 @ 17:08pm

general prediction

Chubby Checker
Patsy Cline
Dionne Warwick
5th Dimension

Tommy James and the Shondells - alts - Ides of March - Buckinghams

Judy Collins - alts Gordon Lightfoot - Peter Paul & Mary

The Guess Who - alt - BTO
REO Speedwagon - alt Styx

Willie Nelson - alts - Kris Kristofferson - Kenny Rogers or Kenny Rogers & First Edition - Jerry Reed

Lionel Ritchie - alt Commodores
Pat Benetar
The Go Gos
Beck
TLC
Soundgarden
Iron Maiden
Stone Temple Pilots
Tori Amos
Sheryl Crow


Women prediction

Patsy Cline
Dottie West
Dionne Warwick
The 5th Dimension
Judy Collins
Melanie
Helen Reddy
Janis Ian
Emmylou Harris
Pat Benetar
The GoGos
TLC
Sheryl Crow
Toni Braxton
Roberta Flack
Melissa Ethridge
Tori Amos
Shangra Las
Connie Francis

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 09/15/2018 @ 17:52pm

Here are my picks.

First the (possible) 19 nominees:
The Cure
Depeche Mode
Duran Duran
LL Cool J (or Rakim; or Salt-N-Pepa if they start including female rap acts next year)
Janet Jackson (this year has been redeeming in terms of her entire reputation and her enjoying a new charted single in 2018 as well as receiving honors everywhere)
Soundgarden
The Shangri-Las
Rufus and Chaka Khan (or Chaka Khan solo)
Pat Benatar
Nine Inch Nails
T. Rex (Marc Bolan needs his just due, tired of them overlooking him)
WAR
Todd Rundgren (the fact he hasn't been inducted is downright criminal... if he gets in though, it'll probably be for musical excellence like Nile Rodgers)
Nine Inch Nails (though Trent is the WHOLE BAND, I'm curious to how they're gonna induct them since the members were a revolving door)
The Spinners (R&B has been ignored too much; time to induct Detroit's Spinners. NOW, while Henry Fambrough can still breathe and smell the flowers they're giving him)
Radiohead (they're gonna possibly be one of the main picks this year; I'd be surprised if they don't get nominated this year)
Kate Bush (I have a feeling RRHOF is gonna nominate at least three or four women this year but I'm putting her here JIC)
Def Leppard (Bon Jovi's induction gives them the leeway so they could be the leading picks)
Mary Wells/Dionne Warwick
Sonny & Cher

----
Now before I go with my picks for inductees, here is why I picked these 19:

1.) The Cure (I feel they're not gonna induct the Smiths right away; Morrissey may give them some viewers because he's a very controversial - and polarizing - figure, but Robert Smith is far more likable plus the Cure wasn't too depressing (sorry Johnny Marr). The Smiths would probably get in one day but it won't be next year and they're not getting a nomination)

2.) Depeche Mode (the RRHOF might nominate two new wave acts and Depeche Mode would fit the bill this year since they're still pretty active and I think they released an album last year)

3.) Duran Duran (if DM isn't picked, Duran Duran would be next. A DD induction will open doors for other legendary new wave acts who progressed to become legends of their own time like the badly disregarded INXS or even Culture Club; plus DD were the first true icons of MTV)

4.) LL Cool J/Rakim/Salt-n-Pepa (this will be tricky. LL COULD get in because he got the KCH but Rakim could be picked or SNP could be; it depends on what the committee would want but I'm quite confident ONE of these three would be picked but if Janet Jackson gets a third nod, SNP will have to wait another year so it's down to LL and (Eric B. and) Rakim)

5.) Janet Jackson (as I mentioned above, this year has been a redeeming year for her. She's again seen as a cultural icon in pop music and considered a legend by her peers, it's high time they induct her so she can complete the Jackson family cycle: J5 - MJ - Janet; also her induction will DEFINITELY open more doors for black female artists who came after or during her time: Whitney Houston, Salt-n-Pepa, MC Lyte, Mary J. Blige, TLC, etc.)

6.) Soundgarden (I would think after Chris Cornell's untimely passing, they would immediately nominate SG but they didn't but it's time for another legendary grunge act; Nirvana of course were the first, followed by Pearl Jam; Alice in Chains would have to wait.)

7.) The Shangri-Las (I battled with this. Between them, the Marvelettes and the Chantels, I feel either of these groups could be picked but since they're only inducting one R&B group at a time, the "bad girls of rock and roll" would do for now; this act should've been in a long time ago; a Shangri-Las induction COULD open doors for the Marvelettes if they pick them as well as the Go-Go's, who I feel were the '80s Shangri-Las.)

8.) Rufus and Chaka Khan (I know I said they may only pick one R&B group - wait until you see more of my picks but the RRHOF seems to love Chaka so I'm guessing they will get picked again or be passed over for Janet/another R&B group; we'll have to see.)

9.) Pat Benatar (RRHOF, why are you wasting your time? Induct her already. You already got John Mellencamp, who wrote one of her songs that he ended up releasing himself as his first hit; you inducted Joan Jett not too long ago, BRING HER IN THE HALL!)

10.) Nine Inch Nails (this is gonna be a nail-biter between them and Radiohead but if DM gets nominated, NIN might not get picked this year, we'll see.)

11.) T. Rex (David Bowie is in, KISS is in... T. Rex isn't? T. Rex basically FOUNDED glam rock but they're too cool for your Rock Hall? But if they get picked and get in, it opens doors for the New York Dolls to get picked in the future.)

12.) WAR (they'll probably get another pick but they'll be competing against the other funk act on this list - R&CK)

13.) Todd Rundgren (this should've been a no-brainer but apparently like T. Rex, he gets overlooked. Not only is he a great singer-songwriter himself, he is also a legendary producer, a band leader; he is responsible for the popularity of power pop, blue eyed soul and progressive rock; yet the "Wizard, True Star" is not considered part of the pantheon of rock gods? This must changed. They finally inducted the Moody Blues and Yes and Hall & Oates, who took after Todd, is in. PUT TODD IN ALREADY!)

14.) The Spinners (another nail-biter; it's between them and R&CK really but I have a feeling the Hall will nominate two R&B acts; I don't consider Janet an R&B act but more of a pop/post disco act like Madonna; and a group who has seen most of its members gone on to Heaven; it would be great for Henry Fambrough to represent his deceased brothers that birthed the "Motownphilly" sound.)

15.) Radiohead (I feel this is just an automatic pick like Ringo and SG, you will see them being nominated this year.)

16.) Kate Bush (in case Pat doesn't get in, Kate will. She'll be the Laura Nyro/Donovan of this bunch.)

17.) Def Leppard (probably another no-brainer after Bon Jovi's induction; a DL induction will also open doors for Motley Crue to get in.)

18.) Mary Wells or Dionne Warwick (I feel they'll pick more '60s acts and they about inducted all the boys so it's time they stop ignoring the girls. Mary could get in for Motown nostalgia if the Marvelettes miss the 2019 nominations or Dionne could get in because she was the second most popular female act of her time after Aretha; and a Dionne induction opens doors for, who else, her cousin Whitney.)

19.) Sonny & Cher (okay this may be a controversial pick but I feel S&C are rock icons; I Got You Babe and The Beat Goes On are pretty iconic rockers and we've seen acts who had one big iconic hit and some leftovers get in like Percy Sledge. If PERCY SLEDGE can get in, Sonny & Cher are a shoo-in.)

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Now the (possible) 6 inductees for 2019:
Radiohead
Duran Duran
Def Leppard
Soundgarden
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J/Spinners/Shangri-Las
Todd Rundgren (musical excellence)

Here's why I pick these 6:
Radiohead may not be a very popular pick but they've been critical darlings since they started. But they seem like first-run inductees to me.

As long as Duran Duran ain't in, Depeche Mode is gonna have to wait. Plus the MTV factor.

Def Leppard will be the Bon Jovi of this list. But they probably won't have to wait as long as Bon Jovi to get in.

Soundgarden will be the next '90s act after Radiohead to get in.

Miss Jackson, if you're nasty, is getting in. Real talk. Janet will bring the huge headlines. Trust and believe they're only inducting one female act this year but sadly it won't be Pat, Chaka, Cher and Kate. It's Janet's year to lose.

LL Cool J/Spinners/Shangri-Las... it could go either way IMHO. But these are the acts to look for if they get nominated. LL will be the sole rap act; Spinners sole R&B; and Shangri-Las sole girl group. But if Janet gets in, it's LL's year.

Todd Rundgren will probably be giving the Nile Rodgers treatment. They probably don't wanna go through a headache of angry Rundgren/Utopia fans wondering why he got overlooked. So if LL is inducted as the final "performer", Todd will be inducted another way. If they're smart enough to nominate him at all.

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As for some picks here, I have to laugh. Helen Reddy? The Carpenters?! LOL Now don't get me wrong, I love the Carpenters and if Dionne is nominated and gets in, that leaves the door open for Karen & Richard but this was an act that was embraced by Richard Nixon and were looked on as the antithesis of Led Zeppelin. Helen Reddy? No. Just no. Lol I just do not see it for Jethro Tull yet. I'm still not over them being nominated in and winning a Heavy Metal Award at the Grammys though it was some 30 years ago... and winning over METALLICA. METALLICA!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 09/17/2018 @ 19:08pm

I said "Ringo" in the Radiohead pick because I foolishly thought he wasn't inducted solo but he is lol

So the Beatles inductions are complete. Sorry about that.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 09/17/2018 @ 19:14pm

Any idea when they're going to officially announce it? Like around the last of September?

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 09/19/2018 @ 02:42am

The last two years, the announcement came in October.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 09/19/2018 @ 05:13am

My guess it might be earlier this year. There's a strong nominees holdover from last year and not many new additions. Beck probably will be the New Eligible. Maybe October 3. Think Judas Priest,Radiohead, The Eurythmics, LL Cool J etc will all be back. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 09/19/2018 @ 07:01am

Should be Bad Company & Foreigner nomination year. It's their time. I think Procol Harum has more support on the Committee than Duran Duran and Jethro Tull. Now that Moody Blues,Rush,Yes,are inducted, Procol Harum should be the next Prog group inducted. I could see Janet Jackson, Judas Priest, and LL Cool J all nominated and inducted. Each would help unbreak the logjam and go to the next logical candidates. Heavy Metal-Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Scorpions etc. R&B Pop-Mariah Carey & Whitney Houston. Rap-Dr. Dre, Eric B & Rakim, Ice Cube, Salt N Pepa, etc. My guess The B52's and or X could be Wild Cards this year and could be 1 of the under the radar selections. Duran Duran will be under consideration but 2020 or 2021 more likely for them. Blue Oyster Cult could fill plenty of different slots from metal to the classic rock. I think The Zombies will be a good case for Musical Excellence selection. High quality work but they split in the late 60's. Another year or two of mac and cheese and peanut butter sandwiches I think would have paid off for The Zombies. They could have been 1 of the celebrated 70's groups had they stayed together. However, they re-formed later and still tour. I hope Willie Nelson is inducted in some capacity. Over 60+ years of music. After the Radiohead situation last year, I guess there are no slam dunk inductions. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 06:06am

King

I have to ask once again what makes Bad Company and Foreigner even worth of nomination. I see only 2 reasons for their push.

1. Both were Atlantic Records artist.

2. Bad Company is British and Foreigner is American British mix.


Zombies were never going to be a 70s super group. They were low end British Invasion with a very small body of work. They were never going to get the votes. Stop wasting time and space by putting them in Musical Excellence. They do not deserve it. The nom com needs to stop scraping the bottom of the barrel and start inducting some garage bands. Tommy James and the Shondells is who people are calling for

No more slam dunks? Stop looking in the wrong era. Chicago and Journey were both slam dunks. I have listed who would be slam dunks several times. They are the artist that have been passed over for the induction of mediocre groups and individuals that were pushed in with garbage dump tickets. If you want I will gladly list them again. Start with Chubby Checker.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 09:17am

Influential NomCom member Little Steven has expressed support in a nomination of Bad Company, and he and Paul Rodgers appear to be friends. Foreigner not only has a connection with Atlantic Records, but also with Rolling Stone and the RRHOF: Mick Jones is a personal friend of Jann Wenner (it has been rumored that Wenner ordered that "I Want to Know What Love Is" would be included in the RS Top 500 Greatest Songs of All Time list because of this friendship) and gave the induction speeches of Eddie Cochran and Duane Eddy. That is the main reason why people are predicting them: Cronyism.

KING, I seriously hope that you are incorrect and that the RRHOF stops treating the Musical Excellence category as a consolation prize, like what they did with Ringo Starr. If your main activity in music was as the main performer, then you should be judged as such. If I were Rod Argent or Colin Blunstone, I would consider a backdoor induction of The Zombies deeply insulting. If they would use that category like that, the category will become a misnomer: bands that are musically excellent, but just not as excellent as the Main Performer inductees.

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 11:22am

The_Claw nailed it. It's not so much what makes them worthy, but why we think they have a strong chance to be nominated. It's really no secret that the NomComm plays favorites. Hard. But we could easily be wrong. No one here has ever gone 100% on their ballot predictions.

Personally, I agree about Foreigner and Bad Company. My distaste for Foreigner is pretty well-known (I think) and somewhat documented at that. Bad Company is better, but only marginally. Some of their later stuff is better. A friend on Facebook once asked if the song "Bad Company" was about Confederate soldiers. I replied, "It's basically the song that Bon Jovi dumbed down to give the world 'Wanted Dead Or Alive.'" A tad facetious, but the general spirit of the comment, I stand behind. Paul Rodgers and Lou Gramm have somewhat similar singing styles, so that might make both of them appearing on the ballot unlikely, but I personally was hedging my bets when I predicted both.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 11:43am

The Claw,

I can see the possibility of cronyism getting them nominated. But, Does either have anything to show they are worthy? I can only see either getting in on a garbage dump ticket.

The more I find out, the more convinced I become that the whole nom com needs to be replaced. Especially Little Steven. The more he opens his mouth the more I realize he really is clueless to what is important in the 60s and 70s.

I totally agree with you on the use of the Musical Excellence Category. For me it should be reserved for artist that have done a little here and a little there where each of these bits are not enough for induction but when added together they show an artist worthy of induction. I think Jim Peterik is a perfect example.

Ides of March
Survivor
songwriter
record producer
show organizer - he is still putting together shows with various artist.

Another is Gary Loizzo

American Breed
Without him there would be no Rufus
Studio work with such artist as REO, Styx and Bad Company among several others

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 12:02pm

Bad Company + Foreigner + Rock Hall = More possibilities for King Crimson to get an induction in the future.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 12:07pm

Dude

But what did either do that makes them worthy?

What connections do they have to King Crimson?

When I talk about Rufus getting more votes with Chicago groups there are connections.

All the garage bands are very tight lot and Rufus is included because they came out of American Breed. Hawk Wolinski performed at a benefit concert to raise money to pay Marty Grebbs' medical bills from cancer. REO and Styx are connected through Gary Loizzo.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 12:26pm

Ian McDonald (One of Foreigner’s original members) co-founded King Crimson and appeared on Red and In The Court of King Crimson. And the late Boz Burrel from Bad Company was also in that band too who only appeared on Islands.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 12:44pm

I still do not see their inclusion to be enough to get King Crimson votes. They still need something to show they are worthy enough to get votes themselves. I do not see them having the respect of their fellow artist. Paul Rodgers is not the member of Free that see being mentioned as influential to a great extent.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 12:52pm

@ Zuzu

It’s actually not a stretch at all; the Rock Hall has gotten more prog-friendly than they were before. So far, we have Pink Floyd, Traffic, Genesis (Including another for Peter), Rush, Journey (early), Yes, ELO, and most recently, the Moody Blues. Me and Enig are expecting Jethro Tull to be next on the list, and I think they and the Crims will be two of the last remaining prog bands from 60’s and 70’s to get inducted in the next few years.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 13:14pm

his is not the prog or Brit hall of fame. This has to be put on the side in order to in order to include some highly neglected categories. several of which were more influential. country folk women garage bands. Do you think any of these prog artist could stand up against the likes of

Paul Anka
Chubby Checker
Peter Paul and Mary
Melanie
Dionne Warwik
5th Dimension
Tommy James and the Shondells
Patsy Cline
Kenny Rogers and the 1st Edition
Emmylou Harris
Willie Nelson
Judy Collins
Steve Goodman
Roberta Flack
John Prine
Pat Benetar
The Guess Who
BTO
REO Styx
Kansas
Helen Reddy
Jerry Reed

I am ok with them getting a nom as long as they have some honest competition to prove themselves.

Not that awful ridiculous garbage dump ticket they put out last year. That was the worst. Nobody on that ticket proved that they earned their spot. They will always have a question mark hanging over their heads.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 13:42pm

There are more

Gordon Lightfoot
Dottie West
Janis Ian
Waylon Jennings
Connie Francis


The hall needs to stop putting up the same ole same ole yawn boring tickets. Let's start giving the people what they really want - ROCK AND ROLL!!!

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 14:10pm

@ Zuzu

I'm actually expecting at least ONE 60's/70's prog band per year. As for some of names you've mentioned, the current voting body may not accept all of them entirely. Some would also get in by the Nom Com's/the management's choice rather than the amount of votes they get, which is really just a business move.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 15:16pm

Zuzu, Philip, and Others.
I think Procol Harum like The Zombies has 2 or 3 Nom Com members who are supportive of their nomination. It should be Procol Harum's chance again now Moody Blues, Rush, Yes inducted. My guess the biggest argument for Bad Company's Induction is the greatness that is guitarist, pianist, singer/songwriter Paul Rodgers. He's a KING FAV and one of the respected musicians and vocalists around. Bad Company was also Bluesy and Classic Rock and strong platinum albums throughout the 70's. Bad Company also had successful hits without Rodgers with Howe as lead singer. Rodgers has influenced hundreds of singers over the years. His voice is unique. I just think it's Bad Company's time. Foreigner would follow the Bon Jovi, Chicago, Journey template. They had plenty of multi-platinum albums and hit songs that people remember. Gramm like Steve Perry was 1 of the best vocalists of his generation. Mr. Jones, he's like a Paul Rodgers. An excellent musician and well-respected in the musician community. Gramm/Jones also in the Songwriters Hall Of Fame. Obviously, nobody here gets a perfect paper Nomination Day. There are usually 1 or 2 surprise choices and a recycled choice from the past. Steve Winwood would be an example maybe this year or The Cure. Zuzu, I think The Guess Who is your best choice you list. They should have been in a decade ago. American Woman, No Time, Share The Land, These Eyes,etc. are Classic songs. Styx has a chance next year especially if Bad Company and or Foreigner is inducted in 2019. I think The Zombies should receive Musical Excellence. Their songs were excellent but had a small discography. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 16:15pm

Dude

one or two 60s or 70s artist has been the problem for almost every year since 2000. Instead of nominating 70s artist the stared doing garbage dumps to push through 80s artist. With a few exceptions all that they have left of the 80s is bottom of the barrel scrapings. Remember it took over 20 years to nominate Chicago and Journey. There are still some big artist from the 70s missing. They also did a skip on the early 60s. Go look at who has been nominated since the year 2000. This is why I get into such a big uproar about lists of 80s artist when we need to have several years to make up for the nom coms shenanigans.

They need to have at least half of the ticket be 60s an 70s artist over the next several years.

You do not find it funny that Bruce Springsteen, John Mellencamp, the Police and Prince were all nominated before the biggest rock group of the 70s? You don't think that it is funny that Rush gets nominated before the Guess Who, BTO and Gordon Lightfoot?

They did a jump over of the early 60s. You don't think it is funny that Chubby Check, The Big Bopper, The Spinners, Bobby Vinton, Paul Anka, Peter Paul and Mary, Dionne Warwick, Connie Francis and Patsy Cline. You don't think it is funny that none of these artist are in yet they are trying to push 90s and even more 80s artist in?

Record sales did a significant dump in the 80s. This was due to the disco backlash and record companies scrambling to put out any garbage to se if something would take. The 80s were considered the worst decade, so why is the nom com pushing so many 80s artist?

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 16:16pm

@ Zulu

There is nothing funny about some of the names you’ve mentioned for being longtime snubs, but I try to be more realistic the best I could based on my perspective on the guys we have currently on the Nom Com and the Voting Body.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 16:26pm

*@ Zuzu

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 16:28pm

King

thanks for replying.

Bad Company From what I have come across only a handful of Brits think highly of Rodgers. The member of Free that I do see several people speak highly of is Andy Fraser. There is not enough there to get the votes. There are way too many American and Canadian artist that were better. They need to back off of nominating Brits. What blues?

This what the blues sounds like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNzsmzE8gOc


You have your order wrong it was Chicago then Styx and REO and then Journey. Foreigner only had 1 or 2 relevant albums. not enough and they were followers that were outlived by the groups they followed. Then later in the 80s comes Bon Jovi.

Chubby Checker is finally going to get a nom this year or over the next year or 2. I went with this year because I am betting they got a huge backlash for only listing that song category.

Zombies had a chance and blew it on a garbage dump ticket. They do not deserve another chance. They were not around long and only had 2 or 3 singles. Not enough meat on the bone. Look at the other British invasion artist. They do not even come close. The nom com has enough B In and they need to look at the American response. Tommy James and the Shondells tops the list and would be a nominations that would make young and old happy.

Winwood - another Brit? There have been way too many lately


They need to start inducting women, Last year they had 2 big names for black women - now they need a couple of white women. no pop princes wanted. I have been hearing a lot about Judy Collins lately.

They have not had a good country artist in a long time.

You and several other people on here think they are going to do more brit loaded garbage dump tickets. They are getting too much flack for this, especially after that junk ticket from last year. If they think pushing a divide and conquer couple of black women is going to work - it will not. They only made people angrier.

They have to turn around or the hall will be shutting down in 7 years at the most. Too many people are not happy with the nom com. look at what boomers and artist are saying. You will not get it from the nom com brown nose rags.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 17:16pm

Dude

I meant funny as in does not pass the smell test.There have been a couple of recent interviews with former nom com members that have admitted that nomination for pay goes on. They have been listed in the tweets section. This kind of thing has been leaking out for years. It is why so many artist have been have been asking for less secrecy and more oversight. You do realize that they changed the rules to top 5 acts. This means that acts are being inducted with less than 50% of the vote.

There is a 60s blog that interviews older artist and sometimes you can fin interviews on local radio and in local papers. You just need to dig around a bit. A lot of those online rags are in the pocket of the nom com. If you search names you will find several are nom com or hand picked voters.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 17:30pm

It's kind of ironic that you want Little Steven replaced. True, I think he's losing touch, but he is still probably the most vocal and obvious proponent for any '60s artists, period. The Hall has been trying to be more and more modern/recent with their choices, and the biggest complaint against him is that he's the one keeping the Hall stuck in the '60's. He's the one who pushed for the Hollies, and I believe he's been one of the biggest proponents for Chubby Checker. And he has a true appreciation for garage-rock. Though it is sadly obvious that his agenda is blinding him badly.

Paul Anka has been considered, and I'd bet that Paul Shaffer was the one who brought him up once upon a time.

Hopefully the third-rate classic rock push is over, but I personally think the Hall is following the money right now, betting that's where it is. How much longer they'll be right (if they ever were) remains to been.

I would love to see Chubby Checker nominated, but the general consensus seems to be rabid support for the Singles category.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 18:14pm

Little Steven has been out of touch for a very long time. He thinks that boomers all wanted to be brits. It's on his tweet page. I guess he forgot about the Bicentennial. He keeps listing the wrong people.

Philip can the bs. people who use the term classic rock do not know what the f they are talking about. There is a genre called rock and that crap you keep insisting is rock or rock an roll isn't.

This 80s crap needs to stop. They need to induct 70s artist and no more of this brit crap. Theree is way too much of that and many have no business even being inducted.

You and your little friends may be all gaga about the singles category but that does not make a general consensus. It is just one more bs way to put in artist that should not be inducted.

Garage bands not garage rock. You really are clueless. And do not go rambling on with that nonsense that post 60s or brits were garage bands. It was the American response to the brits and not all of it was going gaga over the brits.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 18:32pm

"He keeps listing the wrong people." In your opinion.

And like it or not, "classic rock" as a marketing term, is here to stay. It's a format of radio station that is recognized. When someone says, "classic rock," you know which bands are going to be at the core of that programming style: Led Zeppelin, Queen, Neil Young, AC/DC... it's a format that not only includes Bad Company and Foreigner, but also Styx, Chicago, and Journey.

That was kind of the point. While you disagree about which artists Little Steven should be pushing for, he's far more likely to push for garage bands like the Shadows Of Knight than he is for '80's acts like Tears For Fears, Simple Minds, or Duran Duran.

And my apologies for not being specific enough. Yes, I meant the general consensus among the Rock Hall hobbyist community found on this site. Granted, we don't have any sway whatsoever with how the Hall operates, and it really remains to be seen if and how the Hall continues with this, but even among journalists, the most negative reaction I've seen about it has been "curious" rather than "hostile." I would, however, request you don't assume too much and paint with broad strokes about the entire community here, either.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 20:35pm

Those who use the term classic rock do not know what they are talking about. There is no consensus on what it means. Just a bunch of kids that can not come up with a term for their music and think what they listen to is even qualified to call rock. They therefore are clueless about what rock or rock and roll is. Case in point is you, You show a total lack of understanding of the rock era - like it or not.

He makes the wrong picks according to most of the people who lived through the 60s. Chubby Checker and Tommy James ring a bell. What garage bands have been nominated? That is the point. Plus he is clueless about the 70s. He is more likely to pick an rb artist or somebody like Link Ray which most people could care less about or somebody that can not get votes so therefore not my opinion only.

How many of those articles were written by non com brown nosers? I bet that most if not all are hand picked voters or nom com members. Just check I'm sure you would be surpised

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 20:52pm

My biggest thing is, the Nom Com seems to get stuck in the 60s. I get that so many people think, since the roots of rock and roll are from the 50s and 60s, every conceivable band and artist has an arguable case to receive a nomination. However, they've had 32 years to induct all these people. The 70s, 80s and 90s are rapidly coming, and their representation is as deserved. Rock is not just the old sounds; it has branched into every genre of popular music, even hip hop and some country has elements that evolved from those early days. I prefer to see these lists with a mix of 4 decades of worthy artists and not just screaming that the old days need to all be taken care of first. This isn't attacking anyone's opinion, just that we need to go past trying to scrape up every artist that might have been missed so far. That being said, Jethro Tull IMO is the most glaring prog rock omission that finally has started to get caught up; heavy metal is ridiculously underrepresented, as is electronic and arena rock. We can't even seem to get a consensus on artists who have ten or more number 1's (Janet, Whitney, Mariah to name a few). Some good debate going on though

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 21:04pm

K-Dawg

The hall put in most 50s artist but they skipped over the early 60s to put in Brit Invasion. They also were more willing to scrape the bottom of the brit barrel than put in any garage bands. Come to 95 they still are putting in 60s with maybe 1 70s artist and they are not picking the big acts but an artist with connections. Come 2000 they pretty much bypass 70s artist and jump to 80s artist.

Jethro Tull is not going to get in unless it is on a garbage dump ticket. They only have 2 hits. There are more deserving artist. There are huge misses with American and Canadian artist that arte more deserving.

They skipped over a lot of women - surprisingly more white women than black women. They have been too sporadic with folk and almost totally non-existent with country. Prog needs to go to the side for awhile till other areas are caught up.

There is no such thing as arena rock.

Look at my lists. I have 2. 1 women and 1 general. I tried to get a balance of decades. I also presented an idea to have a nominee for each year in the decade.

They need to have at last half the ticket be the overlooked. They need to back off the 80s and Brits. The problem with pushing ahead is what it does for somebody like the Spinners or Rufus or country artist. maybe they can hold back on later artist voting until things are caught up.

Something I think you are missing is that the 50s 60s and 70s are rock and roll era. By rights later decades should have fewer entries.


NOTE I think jj's hired people are voting no to push them up on the list of artist having the most no votes. She has gone from 2 to 4.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 21:46pm

"A bunch of kids" did not come up with the term "classic rock." It was created by business people to target-market a demographic that had stopped exploring the world of music, and many of those were from that generation, so they knew what they wanted.

Also, you realize that Little Steven is not the only person on the NomComm, right? He doesn't get every act he brings up on the ballot. But Tommy James And The Shondells have been considered, and I'd like to see them nominated, too. In fact, it's my hypothesis that the whole Singles category was created by Little Steven as a temper tantrum for not getting what he wants. Again, he's the most likely person to actually support garage bands.

Good grief, do you think every journalist who posts an article online is in the pocket of RS? FRL posted links to the articles when the ceremony this past year happened talking about the Singles category.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 22:02pm

The term classic rock was coined by a bunch of kids in the post rock era. I was never coined by the rock generation. Easy to understand when you lived in the era and see missing artist and artist that have nothing to do with rock.

You got this about the songs where? Just remember the songs were not put up for vote.

So you took the lazy way out and did not check. All you have to do is google the articles author with the hall name in it. You would be surprised how many are connected to the nom com. I love how in an interview one of the voters said they just started showing up. She also said that Chicago and Steve Miller were not rock. Why does she vote? She was picked for a reason an it was not her knowledge of rock.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 22:30pm

Good conversation and discussion by the FRL Regulars. I think choosing the slate of 15-20 Nominees like being a good detective. Looking at recent trends or the next logical Nominee to be selected. CASE IN POINT:PROG. ELO,Moody Blues,Rush,and YES have been inducted in recent cycles. My detective's hat would say Procol Harum would be next. They have support on the Nom Com and were nominated once before. Similarly, Def Leppard would be an obvious choice since Bon Jovi has now been imducted. They would fill a hard rock or 80's rock slot and have 2 Diamond Albums Hysteria and Pyromania. History suggests groups with 2 Diamond Albums have been inducted.
I don't have as many hang-ups with the Nom Com as others. J. Geils Band, Kraftwerk, WAR etc have been nominated multiple times. Maybe, some of the blame should be on the RRHOF voters. I could be on board if the music fans were allowed to vote 5 groups or singers onto the ballot. The Nom Com could still add 12-15 or other bands to the list.
At some point, we have to move forward. Ben E. King (Solo), Chuck Willis, Gram Parsons, etc. were nominated multiple times but missed their window for induction. It's a shame but that happens unfortunately. There are some excellent 80's acts: Bryan Adams, Def Leppard, Depeche Mode, The Cure, who are ready to be inducted. It should be their time now. The Smiths How Soon Is Now? would be appropriate.
I think the RRHOF voting process is more honest than is believed. They could have inducted Chic on their 5th nomination or J. Geils Band on their 3rd nomination. Who would really have known or cared? Both groups are still on the outside looking in today for induction.
Zuzu has a good list of possible nominees. I like The Guess Who, Tommy James, and Styx are inspired choices. I'm surprised Gordon Lightfoot has not been inducted as 1 of the singer/songwriters. He's close to 80 now. Like Willie Nelson, you don't know how many years these artists still have.
I think people on the forum take things too personally. Everyone is making their best-educated guess on who will be nominated. Nobody is right or wrong 100% of the time. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 22:38pm

Nope, not doing this. Not polluting this thread any further. Others are trying to stop it, and I think that's fair. You're wrong, on so many levels, and I had a longer reply, but I just don't care enough. I talked with another native Chicagoan, lived there for 26 years (but not her whole life), and she's never heard of Steve Goodman, thinks REO Speedwagon's a shitty band (her words) and thinks "Can't Fight This Feeling" is more appropriately called their signature song, and said that Chicago had record labels too, "but there's motown and nashville and NYC and ATL and CA". So that's it. If you can't be bothered to dredge up articles, then why should I? I at least pointed out that you could find them if you dug back far enough in FRL's Twitter feed.

Maybe the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame will change one day. And when it does, we'll adjust our observations on who has a chance of getting in based on those changes. We will, as REO sang, "roll with the changes." Right now, it is very strongly RS influenced, and we're basing our predictions based on that reality right now. And some of us are adding notes of pessimism to those predictions. You asked why Foreigner and Bad Company are so deserving that we predict them, and other people and I have responded it's not so much merit as it is politics. That's it and all that's relevant to point out on this thread, along with the probability that Little Steven probably isn't leaving the NomComm anytime soon.

My apologies to the community for getting sucked in. Back to discussion:

KING--I'm surprised at your optimism about Procol Harum. If the Singles category is what we suspect/hypothesize it is, Procol Harum's chances of being nominated are probably about the same as Chic's at this point. But again, we don't know for fact. So we shall see.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 23:15pm

"The term classic rock was coined by a bunch of kids in the post rock era. I was never coined by the rock generation." - Zuzu

Classic rock was invented by 2 baby boomers in 1981. Google "Dick Hungate."

Posted by joker on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 23:21pm

Philip

Simple cut your bs. I am sick and tired of it. I did not ask to talk to you. You butted your nose into a conversation I was having with somebody else. Something you are always doing.STOP STALKING ME YOU JERK!!!!!!

DO NOT TELL ME WHAT THE F TO DO LITTLE BOY. I can tell your friend does not exist. So can it. You get off your lazy ass and look it up yourself. You make up a person for bs. How low can you get jerk,

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/20/2018 @ 23:57pm

Joker

That is one theory. It still is not a boomer station. It is Gen x . He was doing basically what Steve Dahl did. Steve Dahl targeted gen x. Still is not what we listened to.

Dead giveaway that it is not boomer - metal,

metal is not rock.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 00:04am

My predictions for this year's ballot:

Beck
Kate Bush
Def Leppard
Depeche Mode
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
The J. Geils Band
Janet Jackson
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
MC5
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Roxy Music
Soundgarden
The Spinners
War
The Zombies

Posted by richie on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 01:21am

Zuzu, read the 1st paragraph of the Wiki page for "Heavy Metal Music."

Posted by joker on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 01:34am

Joker do you remember going to the record dept or the record store back in the 70s and seeing metal punk and prog in a separate category from rock.


Oh wait! Were you even born yet? You have a nerve telling me that metal is rock little boy. You aren't even old enough to know what you are talking about.

Back in the late 70s Steve Dahl played hard rock and metal to gen exers that people like my baby brother listened. Boomers like me did no listen to Steve Dahl, We listened to rock,folk,blues. country and fusions of all 4. We listened to 3 varieties of rock reg rock, hard rock and soft rock.

head banger derives from a drug term - you
have something for the head? It is also why stores that sell bongs and clips and such are called head shops.

What makes metal different from hard rock?

Both have intense guitar playing but metal is deeper and darker in tone. It was satanic or pseudo satanic. Hence band names like Black Sabbath and Judas Priest.

The devil's horns hand sigh is for metal not rock

The guys (that's right the ladies were not into this) were the pardy hardy bunch. They listened to shock jock morons like Steve Dahl and Howard Stern. They shot up heroin and did coke and dust. They also dropped acid. This was late 70s. This was the group that was going to od and die.

They listed to lz and metal.

metal head - head banger - terms that came from heavy drug usage.

You are not going to white wash metals nasty origins. I will not let you.

Do not forget this music became associated with skinheads and racists.

METAL IS NOT ROCK! METAL IS NOT ROCK!

Is it sinking in yet little boy? Shock Jock stations played metal and hard rock. They marketed to gen ex boys and not boomers. So metal is the music of gen ex. Instead of calling something else, the little jerks called something it wasn't rock and they thought it made them something they were not cool. Even my baby sister and her friends thought metal heads were wacked.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 09:11am

I don’t think calling “little boy,” “jerk,” “lazy,” and “naïve,” is appropriate or called for. These are all personal attacks against people and I don't like when people do that. There is a way to have a civil conversation with someone you don’t agree with. And this involves not writing responses in caps. It's basic netiquette.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 10:28am

Nick

This little boy in question has been stalking me all over this forum. He has been spouting unsubstantiated innuendos that I don't know what I am talking about. The second one has also joined in. I was having a nice friendly discussion when these two behaving like morons bur in to disrupt the conversation and there was no intention to join in.

One has been stalking and bullying me all over this forum. There have been a few occasions were a bully squad consisting of 5 or 6 people.

Add into this that these people have some racist and sexist comments.

Now I am one women am being set upon by 5 or 6 males that are young enough for me to be their mom.

Now I am defending them and yes these are little boys. And this is little boy behavior.

I would love to have discussions by I am going to defend myself against the VILE and sexist and racist behavior of this group.

I am not the only one they have done this to,

Why do you not address their behavior?

What does that say about you?

Nick do you want to label yourself as one of the racist sexist bully squad? Are you afraid they will turn on you?

So no you are wrong about saying what I did was not right.

Shame on you for not taking action against the bullies on this site. If people had stepped up on here and did something about this group it would be so much nicer on here. There would be some actual discussions on here like there used to be before this group showed up.

NICK WHY HAVE YOU NOT SPOKEN UP ABOUT THEIR BEHAVIOR?

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 10:59am

Anyone who thinks that 'Heavy Metal' is not a sub-genre of rock and roll is a dip, IMO.

You might as well argue with the clouds as to engage with someone with those ideas.

I'm 59. Lived thru it.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 11:00am

My o My one of the sexist racist bully squad member show up?

Paul

You do not talk the talk and you do not walk the walk

Thrown any white women under the bus lately?

metal disco which is it Paul? If you really as old as you say you know what I am talking about.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 11:13am

Zuzu, this is an open forum, and anyone who wishes to comment, may. That does not constitute stalking. I don't need your permission to post here. And if you'll recall, I supported your evaluation of Bad Company and Foreigner. I tried to be nice, stating both where I agreed with you and where I disagreed with you. I don't know what more you can ask from a civil discussion. You're not going to banish me or drive me away from this site. I come here frequently, as do you, and so I read the comments here. You can quit the little boy bs too. Just remember, I'm old enough to be president now. And there will be a millennial president one day. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to still be around when that day comes. My friend will be thrilled to know you don't think she exists. It's laughable.


Hey richie, sorry your post got lost in the melee. It's a pretty reasonable ballot, and if that were the ballot, the five I would vote for would be the Spinners, War, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, and Kraftwerk. Which five would you vote for?

Posted by Philip on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 11:45am

Pat Benatar
The Go-Go's
The Cure
The B-52's
Snoop Dogg

Posted by Barry on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 13:20pm

Commenting on almost everything I say and it may have turned into every time, with the express intent to breakup the discussion is stalking.

But when are your friends imaginary and how many alter egos do you have? This is the exact thing a bully does pretends they are an attack dog and then enters under their name all calm. Are you sure you agreed with me under your name? Have you just been busted? my oh my

So you think you are a big boy? So far you are acting like one of the little pervs.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 14:27pm

"Boomers like me did no listen to Steve Dahl, We listened to rock,folk,blues. country and fusions of all 4. We listened to 3 varieties of rock reg rock, hard rock and soft rock." - Zuzu

What about boomers not like you? I didn't realize you were the spokesperson for over 70 million people.


"Is it sinking in yet little boy? Shock Jock stations played metal and hard rock. They marketed to gen ex boys and not boomers. So metal is the music of gen ex." - Zuzu

But Zuzu, heavy metal was born in the late 60s. Who attended their shows and bought their albums? Even if Generation X started earlier than 1964, say 1960, we're supposed to believe that bands like Black Sabbath and Deep Purple became wealthy in the early 70s off the nickels and dimes of 7 year old paper boys??

It's 1971 and little 5 year old Timmy says, "Mommy, mommy! I saved up all my pennies and me and my friend Billy are riding our tricycles to the Black Sabbath concert! I promise we'll be home by midnight."

Right.

Posted by joker on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 16:24pm

All boomer knew sb did not get airplay.They were not selling records until late 70s when gen exers were coming of age.

What kind of record sales did deep purple have in the US.

What did you see in the record stores?

Like I said earlier you don't talk the talk you don't walk the walk.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 16:33pm

I never weighed in on your Styx debate with KXB, but that's more because I really want nothing to do with KXB, but congrats on actually getting him to say more than just pissing on other people's thoughts.

If you genuinely believe I have alter egos, you are deluded and possibly paranoid. I have no need or desire to play multiple roles. If nothing else, ISP traces should confirm that. Get over yourself.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 17:54pm

You need to get over yourself. leave me alone and I will leave you alone.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 09/21/2018 @ 18:09pm

Say you were on The Nom Comm and there were 5 bands discussed for 1 left spot on the slate of 18-20 artists comprising 2018 Nominees. Which 1 would you choose?
1. Blue Oyster Cult
2. Duran Duran
3. Smashing Pumpkins
4. The Cure
5. The Guess Who
What would be your decision? Blue Oyster Cult & The Guess Who have been waiting many years. Or would you base it on the strength of hit songs and impact like Duran Duran? Maybe, the power and strength of hits and CD's from the Smashing Pumpkins would sway you? What about The Cure and their long respected run? KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 09/22/2018 @ 10:15am

KING,

I would choose Duran Duran for the many reasons which I have elucidated over the past several years. Duran Duran will open the door for Roxy Music and King Crimson, in my honest opinion. ;-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/22/2018 @ 10:41am

KING,

I would choose Duran Duran for the many reasons which I have elucidated over the past several years. Duran Duran will open the door for Roxy Music and King Crimson, in my honest opinion. ;-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/22/2018 @ 10:41am

Or more specifically, in this order:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Cure
3. The Guess Who
4. Blue Oyster Cult
5. Smashing Pumpkins

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/22/2018 @ 10:49am

Who I'd like to see nominated (in no particular order):

Dream Theater
Ohio Players
Garth Brooks
King's X
Bryan Adams
George Thorogood
Herbie Hancock (unless he's already in and I don't know it)
Boyz II Men
Canned Heat
J. Geils Band
Boston
Kansas


Comments, anyone?

Posted by Nathan Milliron on Saturday, 09/22/2018 @ 11:01am

Nathan, not a ballot I would be enthusiastic about. I'd vote for Boyz II Men, Canned Heat, George Thorogood (provided the Destroyers are included), the J. Geils Band, and Boston. And even then, the last one would be just to have a fifth one marked off.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 09/22/2018 @ 11:12am

Nathan Milliron,

From your list, I would have chosen the following: Garth Brooks, Herbie Hancock, Kansas, Boston, Canned Heat, Ohio Players and Dream Theater. I am not that familiar with the discographies of King’s X, Boyz II Men, J. Geil’s Band, George Thorogood and Bryan Adams.

However from your list, Herbie Hancock is probably the most deserving artist.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/22/2018 @ 11:18am

Nathan
I like your Bryan Adams, George Thorogood, and King's X choices. Those are 3 I would seriously consider voting for if on the ballot. Strong work!

Richie-An inspired 2018 Nominees ballot with some mixing and matching of 4 or 5 different FRL Regulars ballots. Excellent quilt patch work with a few different choices. I'd give your ballot an A-.

ENIG
I'd figure you would pick Duran Duran. It's just something I created for some FRL Regulars discussion on the forum. Hopefully, Duran Duran is selected as a Nominee this year. I would definitely vote for them on the Fan Voting Ballot.

Philip-That was interesting you would select George Thorogood on Nathan's smaller ballot. You have any FAV Thorogood songs? Thorogood slips under the radar but that might be 1 of those left field choices. The Nom Comm usually selects 1 or 2 of these under the radar Nominees.
Great discussion on the FRL forum from Enig, Joker, Nick, Philip, The Dude, Zuzu, and others. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 09/22/2018 @ 12:28pm

George Thorogood raises some interesting points. He definitely has some of the most memorable songs. I don't know where to fit him, though, at least from my perspective. It is mystifying that I really have never seen him come up in the discussions, but Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble going in definitely opened a door for him at some point.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 09/23/2018 @ 03:52am

George Thorogood raises some interesting points. He definitely has some of the most memorable songs. I don't know where to fit him, though, at least from my perspective. It is mystifying that I really have never seen him come up in the discussions, but Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble going in definitely opened a door for him at some point.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 09/23/2018 @ 03:52am

George Thorogood raises some interesting points. He definitely has some of the most memorable songs. I don't know where to fit him, though, at least from my perspective. It is mystifying that I really have never seen him come up in the discussions, but Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble going in definitely opened a door for him at some point.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 09/23/2018 @ 03:52am

KING,

Don't know if I'd say I have any favorite songs by Thorogood And The Destroyers. "Bad To The Bone" is pretty definitive. His version of Hank Williams' "Move It On Over" is a wonderful fusion of blues into a country song. I also like his version of "Tail Dragger," a slightly less-known song. SRV&DT opens up a door for him, as K-Dawg said, but so also does Linda Ronstadt and Joan Jett And The Blackhearts. Thorogood was mostly an interpreter, and there's really no denying the unique and fantastic ways he interpreted songs and made them his own.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09/23/2018 @ 10:54am

Open question to everyone:

Which never-nominated act do you see as surefire fan ballot winners? The winners tend to be an act that's either never been nominated before or if they had, it was before the fan ballot came into existence.

The only group that really jumps out to me are the Monkees. They have a catalogue of songs that are still prevalent on rock radio, a fanbase whose demographic tends to align with those that follow the hall and vote on the ballots, several "big name" members who wouldn't seem out of place as inductees, and a longstanding grudge from "the powers that be" that would get fans to push their cause in full force.

But besides them, I'm not really sure to be honest. Janet Jackson seems to fit that bill, but she's been nominated during the fan vote era and still hasn't come out on top. So who do you think is likely within the next few years?

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 09/23/2018 @ 21:36pm

@ Steve Z

With Bon Jovi now in, I’m expecting Def Leppard to be on the ballot and win on a landslide from the fan vote.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 09/23/2018 @ 21:49pm

Steve Z,
I can see the following artists win the Fan Vote that have never been nominated, there are two that stick out.

1. Duran Duran - They are one of the most popular bands of the 1980s with too many hit songs to ignore. They have a devoted legion of fans and they will cast countless ballots to ensure Duran Duran will stay atop of the Fan Vote (like Chicago and Bon Jovi levels of devotion).

2. Phil Collins - He's a guilty pleasure choice. An artist most people will not admittedly like but listen to and buy his records. His influence might not be profound on first glance, but he has fans all over the music spectrum. Plus he is one of the most popular superstars of the 1980s and it's pretty amazing his solo work occurred simultaneously at the height of Genesis' popularity. His recent tour 'Not Dead Yet' might open a

I really hope a female artist wins the fan vote sooner or later. I wanted to say either Mariah Carey or Whitney Houston (both among the most talented and best-selling artists ever), but I don't like their chances given Jackson's performance on his second nomination (she finished 6th in 2015). Pat Benatar might be a great choice too.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 09/23/2018 @ 21:53pm

John Q. Public has a very narrow definition of rock and roll, and half the time, the winner of the fan poll has been the lowest common denominator, in terms of artistic quality, within that very narrow definition. Pat Benatar and solo Stevie Nicks are the only women I could see winning the fan poll, and with Hendrix already in, no Black acts.

Of course, it also depends on who's on the ballot. I think Def Leppard, Styx, and Foreigner could each easily win the fan ballot, but if they're nominated together, they can't all win.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09/23/2018 @ 22:41pm

As far as the fan vote goes very few artists/bands outside of the 70's and 80's populist classic rock category have finished in the top 5 each year.

The only ones that come to mind are Nine Inch Nails and Nirvana. Even Pearl Jam and Green Day, two massively popular 90's acts didn't finish in the top 5. Eurythmics came close last year as did Janet Jackson, but other than those acts, the fan vote has been dominated by 70's and 80's classic rock acts.

So more than likely the candidates that will win the fan vote are classic rock acts. Some examples might include Bad Company, Def Leppard, Foreigner, The Doobie Brothers, etc.

The Monkees also might be able to do it as well.

But even long snubbed classic rock acts like T. Rex, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Pat Benatar, Blue Oyster Cult, Boston, Iron Maiden, and Motorhead, I don't think are popular enough to win the fan vote. All those acts would likely be in the top 5, but not No. 1.


I don't really see any 80's new wave/synth pop groups winning either. Eurythmics came close to the top 5. Depeche Mode as popular as they are haven't. I don't think Duran Duran would win the Fan Vote either, even though they were far more mainstream in the 80's than Depeche Mode and Eurythmics were. I think they could make it to the top 5, but No. 1


Beings Janet hasn't been in the top 5, let alone won, I doubt that Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey would win it.


Again, history has shown that the people that vote on the fan poll the most are 70's's and 80's classic rock fans. Basically rock fans between the ages of 40-60. They're not gonna vote for Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Mary J. Blige, or Janet Jackson over Def Leppard, Bad Company, the Doobie Brothers, or even Motley Crue most likely.


As for 90's rock acts, they haven't done too well either, so the only band I seen possibly winning is the Foo Fighters who have probably been the most popular rock band in the mainstream for at least the last 10 years or so. I don't even think Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Oasis, Rob Zombie, Weezer, or Alice in Chains would win. If Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Rage Against the Machine, and Green Day couldn't finish in the top 5, those others 90's heavyweights' chances of topping the fan poll aren't good either.


The fan poll is a 70's and 80's classic rock band's game at this point in time.

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 09/23/2018 @ 22:49pm

Though like I've been saying for the last couple of years, the Hall is beginning to run out of worthwhile 70's and 80's classic rock bands to induct (I say another 2-3 classes with a heavy amount of 70's and 80's classic rock acts could solidly wrap those eras and styles up), so perhaps in the next 5-10 years or so R&B, rap, electronic, or alternative or indie acts could win the fan vote.

But as long as there are populist 70's and 80's rock bands on the ballot, they're gonna win the Fan Vote.

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 09/23/2018 @ 22:53pm

Donnie,
Pearl Jam finished 4th in 2016.

2017 HOF Top 5 Fan Vote Winners In Order:
Journey, Electric Light Orchestra, Yes, Pearl Jam, The Cars

I still think NIN's performance on their second nomination was absolutely bizarre. What can they finish 2nd in 2014 and yet finished 13th the following year. I know it was that year where the bots took over the fan ballot, but still.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 09/23/2018 @ 23:52pm

Donnie,
Pearl Jam finished 4th in 2016.

2017 HOF Top 5 Fan Vote Winners In Order:
Journey, Electric Light Orchestra, Yes, Pearl Jam, The Cars

I still think NIN's performance on their second nomination was absolutely bizarre. How can they finish 2nd in 2014 and yet finished 13th the following year? I know it was that year where the bots took over the fan ballot, but still.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 09/23/2018 @ 23:55pm

I think the fan vote also depends on how much a band cares about getting inducted into the HOF. For example, Depeche Mode is still one of the biggest touring bands in the world (ranked in the top 5 last year) and still going strong. But their success has not led to a spot in the top five. They have finished 7th and 9th in the last two years, so more or less middle of the road performances. They band has advertised their HOF nominations on their social media pages. DM fans are very rabid and I guarantee if DM shared the link to the fan vote site, they would easily be in the top five. I think it depends how much a fanbase really wants their favorite band/artist inducted and if the artist in question really cares about the HOF. If the artist doesn't care, why should their fans? A good counter example could be Dire Straits, but I think most of us though the Knopfler brothers would show up and perform and most of the controversy occurred after their induction was announced.

Posted by Nick on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 00:01am

Nick makes a very good point, in an interesting twist, Joe Elliott has said on numerous occasions that he doesn't care if Def Leppard goes in. That being said, I still can see them getting nominated by their fans, particularly if women in that age bracket are persuaded to vote, but the Hall has shown it will still honor artists that snub it, most famously the "piss stain" accusing Sex Pistols.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 02:44am

I'm curious who could be the mystery or left field selection that ruins many of our predictions. Could it be Big Star or X? Maybe Blue Oyster Cult or Roxy Music finally gets the nod? Could Phil Collins and/or Stevie Nicks earn a chance at a 2nd induction? Maybe Faith No More, INXS, The Cult one of those sneaks into the ballot. I was curious who are some of left field choices or dark horse candidates that might make it on the ballot. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 05:51am

Picks for the ballot

Bad Company- The AOR staple seems to be gaining momentum with many of their 70’s rock peers off the snub board.
Beck- Could fill the singer-songwriter slot and could inject some “youth” into the hall. I think he’d be a no brainer to make the ballot.
Def Leppard- Personally I’d rather have a pitchfork in my brain than see Def Leppard enter the Hall but with Bon Jovi in that opens the door to 80’s hair metal for better or worse
Depeche Mode- It was hard not picking Kraftwerk but I think that in order to get Kraftwerk in you might need to work on getting a few electronic/synth driven acts in first in order to build a voting block for them. With massive popularity around the world these guys would be a good pick, especially if they are committed to getting more 80’s acts in
Eurythmics- MTV icons. An easy sell for any music fan of that generation that could open the doors to other alternative acts.
Janet Jackson- Nuff said
Jethro Tull- I’m torn on this. On the one hand Jethro Tull is one of my favorite bands and is long overdue. On the other hand Prog Rock has been well represented over the past few years and I’d understand if the powers that be would want to give the subgenre a year off. Plus other acts might edge them out for the classic rock spot.
Judas Priest- No Def Leppard until Judas Priest is in. PERIOD! A good way to give love to metal while appealing to classic rock fans.
LL Cool J- I have a feeling that Outkast might edge him out for the Hip-Hop slot but I think he might get one more shot.
Nine Inch Nails- Trent Reznor is too good to keep out forever and it would be good to see NIN and Depeche Mode on the same ballot.
Peter, Paul, & Mary- A left field pick but it would be a smart way to give love to folk and the 60’s in general.
Radiohead-Should have gotten in last year. Better get in this year. THE END
Roxy Music- It’s gotta happen one of these years right?
Soundgarden- After botching a chance to nominate them last year after the death of Chris Cornell I think that the Hall will jump at the chance to not repeat that mistake, probably bumping RATM off the ballot in the process.
The Commodores- An R&B act that everyone can get behind. Hit songs? Check. Funky beats that could appeal to rock fans? Check. Star Power? Step right up Lionel Ritchie. Throw the Motown name around and you’ve got a smart way to get more R&B into the Hall.
The Cure- Easy sell for 80’s music fans in general (not just alternative)
The Doobie Brothers- see Bad Company.
The Spinners- Call it a hunch.
The Zombies- One of the only snubs left among British Invasion acts but I could see them sadly getting shoehorned into the singles category

Musical Excellence

Todd Rundgren- Thought about putting him on my ballot but I think he would be a better fit for the ME category.

Singles

My Guy - Mary Wells
Stand By Me- Ben E. King
Wild Thing- The Troggs)
Surf City- Jan & Dean
I Put A Spell on You- Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Chantilly Lace- The Big Bopper

Posted by Tom H. on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 16:53pm

Well, FRL finally released their 2018 Nomination Predictions. I think Outkast will wait. They probably want to give LL Cool J 1 more shot. Pixies will have to wait. There is a backlog of more deserving bands. Depeche Mode & The Cure for example.
Can't argue with many of the predictions. I think Bad Company & Stevie Nicks will be nominated and inducted. Hopefully, Judas Priest will be nominated and inducted. It's time for Iron Maiden. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 09/25/2018 @ 10:22am

It probably makes sense placing The Zombies in the Musical Excellence category sealing their induction. The RRHOF has been itching to get The Zombies in the RRHOF last few years but not enough votes. They have a short discography but the songs were of high quality. I'd say they were excellent songs. She's Not There & Time Of The Season particularly stand out. The Nom Com will probably be moving towards late 70's and 80's artists for nomination. Instead of dragging this out for another 5 years where more members of The Zombies could die off, I think they should place The Zombies in as a Musical Excellence choice with Willie Nelson. Or some other creative way to get them inducted. What do you think? KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 09/25/2018 @ 10:38am

A few long shots here, but these are my predictions for the ballot (not really “predictions” per say, but some names I’d love to see show up).

1. OutKast
2. Beck
3. The Smiths
4. T. Rex
5. Big Star
6. The Zombies
7. Slade
8. Stone Roses
9. De La Soul
10. The Jam
11. The Damned
12. Dick Dale
13. Joy Division/New Order

Posted by Tyler Partnow on Tuesday, 09/25/2018 @ 10:54am

"The Commodores- An R&B act that everyone can get behind. Hit songs? Check. Funky beats that could appeal to rock fans? Check. Star Power? Step right up Lionel Richie. Throw the Motown name around and you've got a smart way to get more R&B into the Hall."
Posted by Tom H.

************

That's the VERY REASON why The Commodores have never been nominated, Tom. Because they DON'T WANT really popular R&B acts nominated. They just MIGHT have a CHANCE to get IN.
They want to CONTINUE to nominate perennial R&B LOSERS (Rufus, Joe Tex, The Meters,etc) to insure that all of the voted-on spots will go to White Rock Acts. (Unfair, but TRUE.)
The R&R HoF THINKS that the public at large is not on to them...but it's happened for TOO MANY YEARS for people NOT to know.
Ever since Greg Harris took over as President/CEO...

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 09/25/2018 @ 23:15pm

Hello everyone. I Have Not been on this site and Forum for a Very Good Reason. My Dad passed away about 2 Weeks ago on Wed. Sept. 12th! He was 86. He lived a long life 1931-2018. It has weighed very heavy on me. It can be one of the worst things that Can Happen in Someone's life. I lost my Mom 3 Years ago. He was a great Dad and a Great man. He was an Author, Professor and Economic advisor.He gave many speeches across the country until about 15 Years ago He loved Presidents like FDR, JFK and Lyndon Johnson. He was a Professor at College of Staten Island 1977-2010. He was known in certain circles.

He loved Classical, Jazz and Early Rock n'Roll. My Dad's Funeral was on Sept 16th. RIP Yale Meltzer,My Dad. He loved Classical, Jazz and Early Rock n'Roll. He was a very hard worker. I want you all to know he was sharp to the end.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/26/2018 @ 06:41am

Ben, very sorry to hear of your father's passing. Wish I'd met him, sounds like he was a very accomplished & interesting fellow.

My condolences to your family.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 09/26/2018 @ 07:00am

Your dad led a great life, and I'm sure that you're feeling his loss keenly at this time, Ben. My wife and I wish you every comfort during this season of loss.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Wednesday, 09/26/2018 @ 09:30am

Ben,

My most sincere condolences on the passing of your father. My father had passed away at the age of 70, over 15 years ago. 2013 had been a difficult year. I had also lost my grandmother during that same year.

My belated condolences on the passing of your mother, as well. My mother had just turned 90 back in August. Neither of my parents had been college educated, in contrast to myself and my sister. My sister is an attorney. My late aunt had been a pharmacist; her late husband had been a general surgeon. I had developed my appreciation for science, especially medicine through them.

:-(

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 09/26/2018 @ 10:28am

Now then my Dad loved Science and Culture as well as Economics. He also loved Music. His favorite Music was Classical. That would be Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Schubert and soo many others. He Also loved Jazz. He loves some Big band like Glenn Miller and Tommy Dorsey. He was little during Big Band Era. As A teenager he loved Charlie Parker,Dizzy Gillespie, Louis Armstrong,

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/26/2018 @ 11:28am

I will continue. As a Teenager my Dad loved Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis and of course soo many other Jazz acts. Big Band was not around very long for him. My Dad was a teenager during the Be Bop time of the late 40s early 50s. He loved Bing Crosby a lot. We had many great talks for decades about Finance, Science and Music. He did like some Early Rock n'Roll in the 50s. He loved some Elvis hits,Five Satins, Silouettes and I think Everly Brothers. Many other 50s Oldies of course.

So in my Dad's Honor I will be Changing my prediction List slightly with one Very old act he liked a bit. Classical Music is Not Relevant to the RnR Hall of Fame. Some Jazz like Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie are tooo deep into Jazz to be relevant. So I was thinking of an act he liked thats more Relevant to the Hall. I am eliminating J. Geils Band for a 50s act. I gave it some thought for a 50s act in the early Rock n'Roll Era. 1954 and on is commonly comsidered the beginning of the Rock era. A new list is forthcoming. Just a switch of one name.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/26/2018 @ 11:49am

Ben,

I am sorry to hear about your father. Just keep his memory alive and that will help keep him close to you.

I know that the hall has not honored any classical musicians but that does not mean they were not an influence and one day they may be recognized by the hall. Buddy Holly, Chicago and prog have all used classical elements. You have:

Roll Over Beehtovan - Chuck Berry
Song of Joy - Miguel Rios
Joy - Apollo 100

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 09/26/2018 @ 15:11pm

This is my new and improved list of Predictions for the 2019 Rock n Roll Hall of Fame This includes a 50s act in honor of my Dad. Here it is.

Bad Company
Beck
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Judy Collins
The Cure
Def Leppard
Eurythmics
The Five Satins
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Dave Matthews Band
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Tina Turner
Steve Winwood
The Zombies

As you see I put in a 50s act in honor of my Dad.I chose the Five Satins. I dont know much about them. My Dad does. They did In the Still of the Night. The Five Satins came along in 1954. Its up my Dad's alley. I almost chose Ella Fitzgerald. My Dad loved her but I dont. think she had enough influence on Rock acts Five Satins at least came out at the beginning of the RnR era. I took out the J. Geils Band. The least deserving on my List. All else like Blood,Sweat & Tears, Judy Collins, The Cure, Def Leppard, Eurythmics,Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Rufus and alll others remain the same.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/26/2018 @ 16:50pm

Ben,

Deepest sympathies on the loss of your father. That is indeed devastating.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 09/26/2018 @ 23:08pm

Ben,

My most sincere condolences on the passing of your father. My father had passed away at the age of 70, over 15 years ago. 2003 had been a difficult year. I had also lost my grandmother during that same year.

My belated condolences on the passing of your mother, as well. My mother had just turned 90 back in August. Neither of my parents had been college educated, in contrast to myself and my sister. My sister is an attorney. My late aunt had been a pharmacist; her late husband had been a general surgeon. I had developed my appreciation for science, especially anatomy and physiology and medicine through them.

:-(

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 09/27/2018 @ 01:24am

I continue to heal from the Tragic loss of my father. Enig and Everyone else Thank you for your Condolences. I hope its Ok to have a 50s act on my list in his honor. I had a couple years ago that the Five Satins have never been inducted into the Hall. I recently had felt that 50s acts were done in the Hall. I dont know 50s very well at all. My Dad loves the music of the 40s and 50s. Now I almost picked Ella Fitzgerald. My father loved Ella F. I think some people on here would critcize her as a choice because Ella is very Pre Rock. I know Nina Simone was Inducted but Ella F. is even older. What are all of your thoughts on Ella as a nominee. Five Satins fits as a Noninee slightly better.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 09/27/2018 @ 06:58am

Hi Ben, I also would like to give my condolences for such a sad and terrible loss. Thank you for sharing your personal story with us, essentially a couple of strangers. I hope that the memory of your father will help to get you through this difficult time.

IMHO, Ella Fitzgerald is both too Pre Rock and not Rock enough to warrant an induction in the Performers category, but Early Influence could be a possibility. I'd personally like to see other artists with a bigger influence on the development of rock 'n' roll get in before her, like Ivory Joe Hunter, Wynonie Harris, Roy Brown, Amos Milburn, Lionel Hampton or The Carter Family, but if Ella gets inducted, the early Influence category is probably where she will be.

I'd have no problem with the Five Satins getting in, but I'd not be surprised if "In the Still of the Night" would be selected for the single category. If we're talking about 1950s vocal groups, The Clovers probably have a better chance on getting nominated.

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 09/27/2018 @ 09:14am

Ben,

I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. My deepest condolences to you and your family.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 09/27/2018 @ 09:25am

What I was saying is I checked it out a couple years ago that the Five Satins have never been Inducted. I dont know 50s very well. Im lucky I remember when the Who and Eric Clapton were very popular. I figure if Link Wray can be nominated why Not Five Satins. The passing of my father made me rethink the 50s thing for sure.

I am starting to recover from this Tragic event. Now to move on a bit. I expect a few 60s acts to be Nominated for sure. My Dad certainly did NOT like the 60s as much. He hated the Psychedelic Rock and Hippies. Soo My Dad had no idea about a lot of 60s Rock. So Steppenwolf is alll me. I would have had Steppenwolf as a nominee pick but they were inducted last year in tbe Singles category. I have chosen Blood,Sweat & Tears, Judy Collins and the Zombies. I know a lot about 60s Music. Judy Collins is a logical Nominee. It makes sense after Joan Baez and Nina Simone. Blood, Sweat & Tears and tbe Zombies were both successful 60s bands. They make sense. Talking about 60s is a way of getting back to normal a bit. Thats the earliest stuff of my Time.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 09/27/2018 @ 11:20am

1.Doobie Brothers- well liked among the classic rock crowd, and are currently managed by Irving Azoff, who's got pull and (probably) got Bon Phony in.
2.Judas Priest- hugely important to the metal world (really, only Sabbath is more important), not to mention the fair backlash to their exculsion last year as well as the band's civil relations to and with the Hall.
3.Soundgarden-Very respected group that has mainstream presence, and Cornell's tragic death, in addition to the tribute this past year, means there's definitely a push for them.
4.Janet Jackson-her stock has risen quite a bit in recent years, we're approaching the tenth anniversary of Michael's death, it seems to be her time to shine.
5.Def Leppard-Another big eighties act to win over populists, another crowd pleaser.
6.The Cure-They have sales, critical success, infuence, and I expect more eighties acts in the coming years.
7.LL Cool J-he obviously has advocates considering he's a repeat nominee, and there's almost certainly going to be a hip hop act on the bill.
8.Radiohead-Simply put, too huge to ignore.
9.Jethro Tull-Giving that the Nominating Committee is defrosting towards Prog, and I would be surprised if King Crimson was chosen, so I go with the next best option.
10.Boston- Again, another big name classic rock act for the ballot.
11.Bad Company-ditto.
12.The Zombies-a sixties rock/pop outfit for the ballot.
13. Warren Zevon-the token singer/songwriter for the ballot.
14. Rage Against The Machine- Regardless of ethics, Tom's presence on the Committee guarantees their return at some point.
15.Kraftwerk-they obviously have advocates, and modern music would be radically different without them.
16.Depeche Mode- How about a synthpop act for the ballot?
17. Todd Rundgren-seeing more of a push for him and he's got connections, so it could happen.

Posted by Zoot Marimba on Thursday, 09/27/2018 @ 12:21pm

Claw,

I agree with you on Ella Fitzgerald. Way top Pre Rock for the ballot. My Dad loved Ella F a lot but she just doesnt fit on the ballot. The Five Satins are a better shot. They could be initially nominated and then later In the Still of the Night can be selected for the single category. This happened with Link Wray. He was nominated as a performer first. Hey if not Oh well.

I think my 60s choices are on point. Blood,Sweat and Tears, Judy Collins and the Zombies. My 70s Choices of Bad Company and Jethro Tull make a lot of sense. They noth have a decent amount of albums.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 09/27/2018 @ 15:38pm

Were there as many as 19 nominees on the ballot last year?

Something like Sonny & Cher would be a nice surprise (Cher on her own, while an undisputed legend/icon, would have a harder time).

Posted by JR on Thursday, 09/27/2018 @ 19:58pm

Sorry for your loss, Ben. The Five Satins are a great example of a 50s group who really should get a long look. I do hope that they announce the date soon, it will be interesting to see what the assorted lists here got right and wrong, and if there is any act that flew under everyone's radar. I'm a bit tired to compile an entire list based on everyone's choices, but might attempt it this weekend. This really is my favorite time of year...until the act or 3 I think should go in somehow misses again. Such is life

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 03:07am

I continue to recover from my Dad's passing. I am now willing to go over my 70's choices. I have gone over details of my choices by decade before.
I have 4 choices for 70s acts. Bad Company,Jethro Tull, Rufus and The Spinners. All 4 of these were notable in some way in the 1970s. I have it split between 70s Rock and R&B for the 70s. Bad Company I believe are liked by Steve Van Zant. That gives them a good possibility. Also,Steve V Zant and Paul Rodgers are friends. Jethro Tull are very possible. Zoot Marimba pointed out that the Nominating committee is defrosting towards Prog ans I too would be surprised if King Crimson was chosen. The Nom Com may feel the Voters won't even give Crimson a chance. Tull are more widely known. I would like to point out that Prog was inspired by Classical which my Dad loved so much. No, I am Not adding another Prog in honor of my Dad's love for Classical. My Dad knew virtually nothing about the existence of Prog. Case in point my Dad was 40 in 1972. I don't think so.

So. my other 2 70s choices are R&B. 70s R&B usually finds itself somewhere on a ballot.I have chosen Rufus featuring Chaka Khan and the Spinners. They both have been nominated before. Rufus was nominated just last year. The Spinners have been nominated a few times before. I don't know if either will be inducted. I never judge inductions until the official Nominees. I don't see much point. I am chatting plenty about nominees. I think both these R&B acts have a good chance of being nominated. I feel bad for the Spinners. They always seem to miss induction despite being nominated.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 06:44am

Looking over some of these predictions seems like the twilight zone. Dave Matthews Band is a 99.9% sure of a nomination, and likely going to be the marquee induction (unless Radiohead plays along). Sure many people do not like their music, but that's not the point.

Posted by Dont_Burn_Eddie on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 08:34am

At this point, I feel like Radiohead is on the same situation Deep Purple was in; the real reason they’re not in the Hall yet has nothing to do with their lack of interest, it’s more to do with the impact of the radio industry. Most people can only name one song by them and that’s it. Some even mislabeled them as a “one-hit wonder.” They’re also aren’t commercial successful as Nirvana, Green Day and Pearl Jam, which would make it harder to capitalize the Hall in the management’s perspective unless they let the Nom Com add them by choice even if RH still won’t get enough support from the voting body.

This isn’t to say they’ll never get in, which I actually want it to happen. But there aren’t enough people looking at the band’s importance and it might take a long time.

I’m just looking at what gets in the way.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 09:58am

Dude,

The voting body is supposed to be made up of professionals in the music business. These are not your everyday person on the street. Well mostly and those that are not pros are hand picked by the nom com and they are more likely to vote for somebody like Radiohead. One voting member said in an interview that she did not think Chicago and Steve Miller were rock. This person was handpicked by the nom com. After hearing what they said. do you think this person has any business voting?

The rest of the voting body consists of inductees. They know the business. They talk to each other. They know what goes on that is not known to the average person. They know who is the real deal and who is corporate mfg bs and who is more deserving and who is not.

This goes back to what I have been trying to say. Look at what the artist are saying. They are angry with the nominations. They are tired with the push aheads. They will not vote for hip hop or rap because these professionals do not consider them rock and roll. If they think part of their work has rock and roll elements yes but not over somebody who is immersed in rock and roll. The nom com czn push out all the bs about what is r&r it wants but the pros are not buyin and neither is gen boomeer.

Too many people in the younger gens do not get that a lot of what the Brits did was not exactly r&r. They did not do so well in the 70s because of it. The nom com is garbage dumping too may Brits and the voting body is asking what about the deserving N American artists? Look at the voting patterns. 70s before 80s American before Brit and to some degree white over black with exceptions but the nom com is nominating very few of those black exceptions. Bet that Chubby Checker would get the votes hands down if he were nominated just like Bill Withers.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 10:43am

Now Eddie, have you been burning one? Dave Mathews Band would be an upset choice, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 10:49am

@ Zuzu

I still want Radiohead in as soon as possible though, but I just feel like they’re gonna wait longer. Generation gaps is another reason why they’re not in yet. RH’s musical styles are too alternative, modern and hipster for most of the voters’ taste at this point. I know this may sound divisive for me to say this, but I’m not afraid to piss anyone off here (especially for the laughs). DMB is more likely to get in before RH when it comes to the 90’s cause their sounds and styles are more Baby Boomer-friendly since you’ll hear more 60’s and 70’s influences.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 11:32am

I said a couple days ago that 1954 is commonly considered the beginning of the Rock era. Thats what I meant. I said 1954 and on. I just meant 1954. Now personally I relate much more with 1974.
1974 is a key year for Eric Clapton with 461 Ocean Blvd.,Grateful Dead were thriving and it was the debut of Bad Company.

I just wanted to shift things over 20 years into the 70s. Its a way of continuing talk on Bad Company for a minute. Bad Company released their debut album in 1974. A small fact is it was released on Swan Songs,the Led Zeppelin label. It was released even before Led Zep had a chance to release anything. Paul Rodgers is a known Rock vocalist in the music community. Jethro Tull also have a good chance this year now that Prog is more freely being nominated. I took out J. Geils Band. They have been nominated a bunch of times with No avail. They can easily be skipped this year. Thus I inserted the 50s choice in honor of my Dad. I was NOT about to flood my list with 50s acts. I recall only Link Wray was nominated from the 50s last year.

I also picked 2 R&B acts from the 70s. I don't have to repeat everything. I taled about it already. I am coming back into my own musical element on here. The 70s certainly. Rock and some R&B. Now last year. There was only 3 70s acts nominated last year. That is 3 acts that debuted around the 70s. They were J. Geils Band, the Meters and Rufus. The Meters debuted around 1969. Close enough. Around the 70s. The Moody Blues were key in the 60s and 70s. So Those 3 above were passed over. Similarly I predict 4 from the 70s this year. So thats as far as the 70s. I am trying to spark more discussion in the Performer category so I shifted my talk to the 70s. What do yu guys think of my 70s choices? The discussion would cheer me up.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 13:12pm

Dude,

Generation gap is not the problem. The problem is the nom com. They jumped over many deserving artist from the early 60s to push in Brit inv. They then skipped over the 70s to induct 80s acts. Note record sales went down in the 80s and these acts got exposure and were pushed by corporate and yet they did not sell. If people do not want to listen to your music or the music of the bulk of act influenced by you then how deserving are you?

Chicago, one of the biggest and despite what many people on here think, one of the most influential artist of the 70s waited over 20 years for a nom.

Chubby Checker a Rock and Roll icon has still not gotten a nom and neither has Tommy James and the Shondells despite repeated outcrys from the public.

Now I realize that you love Radiohead and would love to see them inducted but there are at least 20 to 30 artist that have waited a lot longer. I am talking about artist that should have been inducted a long time ago.

As a boomer I couldn't give 2 sheets about DMB. I personally find him annoying. He is mediocre at best. I like rock and blues and folk and country. There is not much of today's music I consider worth listening to.

T think the hall made a huge error in how they handled non-boomer inductions. They should have had separate inductions and housing for boomer, gen x and mil music with 3 induction ceremonies. This way boomers would not have needed to put up with waiting so long for our artist to be nominated let alone inducted. This would also allow for gen x early influence rather than pushing lesser artist on boomers. It would have made for less conflict. They said the hall was for our (music) and this push ahead is not fair to us.
?

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 13:21pm

Many of these predictions look solid. Going back to FRL's original predictions, Roxy Music needs to get in immediately. Huge band. Huge influence. Quality and innovation. Bryan Ferry is great, and it gets Brian Eno in somehow, some way. Seems a no brainer to me.

Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 14:11pm

First off, Ben- I am very sorry to hear about your dad. My sincerest condolences to you and your family.


I am loving reading everyone's predictions, and am getting very excited for the nominees to be announced. Does anyone have any inside scoop on when the announcement will be made? I know last year it was the first Thursday in October, so theoretically it should be coming next week.

Posted by Greg P. on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 15:11pm

Greg P.,

Its good to see yu on here. I am returning to my own Musical element. The 1970s is in my element It would great if yu comment on my 70s. I moved over 2 decades from my Dad. My 70s picks again are Bad Company, JlJethro Tull, Rufus and The Spinners. What do yu think of those. Did yu chooosse those?

Posted by Ben on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 16:03pm

Damn, I forgot about Outkast! Next year would mark their 25th year! I wouldn't be surprised if Outkast is picked as a nominee for 2019. Pixies would seem like the Smiths/Cure of that year if they get the nod. We'll have to see. I think they make their nominations early next month, right?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 19:58pm

Greg P.,

Thank you for your condolences. It means a lot. My Dad lived a long life.

As for the announcement. I got a tip somewhere the official announcement of the Nominees is early Oct. Thats next week.

Where is Your list? I did NOT see yours. I looked. Give me the Date you posted that. If yu did.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 20:01pm

Ben,
I’m so sorry to hear of your father’s passing. My deepest condolences to you and your family during this time of mourning. He led a great life.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 20:18pm

Ben,

I know last year the nominees were announced on Thursday, October 5th. I still have the email from the Rock Hall. So if they are following the same time frame, the announcement should come next week.


I haven't posted a list of predictions yet. I'm hoping to have one finalized this weekend.

Posted by Greg P. on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 22:29pm

My dream list (not in order):

1. Radiohead
2. Depeche Mode
3. Nine Inch Nails
4. Kraftwerk
5. Rage Against The Machine
6. Link Wray
7. Eurythmics
8. The Cure
9. The Smiths
10. The B-52's
11. Soundgarden
12. Alice In Chains
13. The Monkees
14. The Specials
15. Joy Division (JD/NO?)
16. New Order (JD/NO?)
17. Cypress Hill
18. Pixies
19. The Smashing Pumpkins
20. Beck

Posted by Michael on Friday, 09/28/2018 @ 23:39pm

Dezmond,

Although I agree that Roxy Music has definitely deserved induction, I still think that Duran Duran is a much more likely nominee and inductee, like Rush had been, before Yes and The Moody Blues had been inducted.

The induction of Duran Duran should openness the door for Roxy Music and King Crimson.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 08:58am

Dezmond,

Although I agree that Roxy Music has definitely deserved induction, I still think that Duran Duran is a much more likely nominee and inductee, like Rush had been, before Yes and The Moody Blues had been inducted.

The induction of Duran Duran should open the door for Roxy Music and King Crimson.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 08:59am

My 2019 Predictions, using 19 nominees as the model:

Bad Company
Beck
Kate Bush
Sheryl Crow
Def Leppard
Depeche Mode
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
Janet Jackson
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
Stevie Nicks
OutKast
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Soundgarden
War
The Zombies

Posted by Greg P. on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 10:41am

It's not a major concern, since they're largely interchangeable, but inducting Alice in Chains IMO is just as likely as Soundgarden. Chris Cornell tragically passed last year; similarly, Layne Staley has been gone 10 years. It seems to me AIC has had more impact with their albums and also can make the claim they are a bit heavier than Soundgarden so might be more of an inclination to be a nod towards metal for the committee. It's going to be interesting to see what direction with the 90s acts they go. STP has a case at some point as well, and they haven't been mentioned at all.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 10:42am

OK, I had to redo my list.
MY UPDATED LIST (which will probably never happen):

Alice In Chains:
One of the best bands of the 90's. Overlooked by Nirvana all the time.

Beck:
Not very popular but extremely influential. The critics adore him too.

Björk:
A lot of people said that technically she was eligible since 2002 I believe since she released her first album back in 1978 or something like that. The Rock Hall dosen't care about that album. To THEIR eyes, she will eligible this year (since Debut came out in 1993).

Cypress Hill:
One of the most important rap artists of the 90's. Even though the fact that they associate weed with them might off-put voters.

Depeche Mode:
They should've been inducted ever since they were eligible back in 2006!! One of THE best bands of the 80's, not to mention their impressive discography.Oh, also, they sold more tickets in 2017 than JUSTIN BEIBER AND ED SHEERAN. That's amazing.

Eurythmics:
Helped kick off the MTV movement. One of the leading bands of the 80's.

Joy Division:
This is kinda confusing. New Order is the same band, but no Ian Curtis. Do you call them when they get inducted, *Joy Divison/New Order?* This dosen't feel right. But still very influential.

Kraftwerk:
They're basically the electronic Beatles. Should've been in a long time ago.

New Order:
Same things as JD. Confusing, but influential. They also have the best selling 7" single of all time, Blue Monday '88.

Nine Inch Nails:
They (or he) nudged open the door for the industrial movement. Downward Spiral and The Fragile are considered the best albums of the 90's. He also recently released the last album of a trilogy that started at 2016, all 3 of them getting acclaim. Actually, Trent Reznor should actually be inducted as himself as well. He worked on mutiple soundtracks with Atticus Ross (who joined NIN) and their next project is the music for the HBO reboot of Watchmen.

Pixies:
Crinimally underrated. Also a major influence on Kurt Cobain.

Radiohead:
They need to get in this year. If they don't, Rock Hall is digging their own grave.

Rage Against The Machine:
Zack de la Rocha + Tom Morello = One of the best music partners. Tom is also a part of the commitee.

Siouxsie And The Banshees:
I haven't seen their name thrown around in this list. Weird. Here, here they are.

Soundgarden:
Seeing how they did a cover of Black Hole Sun this year, that's probably a clue to them for 2019...

The B-52's:
One day, I was on their inductee page. I wanted to see B-52's page. Then I found out that they weren't even inducted yet. *"really? I thought they were."* I'm surprised that they're not in. Major influence on new wave.

The Cure:
Extremely influential. But people probably won't vote for them because "they're too depressing."

The Monkees:
Just put them in already.

The Smashing Pumpkins:
One of the softest hits of the 90's.

The Specials:
Where IS ska in the hall of fame? They're long overdue.


BANDS I TOOK OUT OF THE LIST:

Link Wray:
He's not getting in anytime soon.

The Smiths:
Sadly, Morrisey being a dipsh*t might put a wrench on them anytime soon.



BANDS I HOPE DON'T GET IN (BUT THEY PROBABLY WILL):

The J. Geils Band:
Their music is nails scraped against a chalkboard. Just plain horrible.

Def Leppard:
I hate hair metal. I barely tolerated November Rain. Also, they're not influential.

Blink-182:
God, this band is so annoying. Why do people want them in so bad?? Keep them OUT!

Yeah that's it for me.

Posted by Michael on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 12:54pm

@Michael

J Geils Band has been nominated and rejected by the voters 5 times. The only reason I cans see for you to be worried is that on some level you think your list is weak.

All that is needed to block most nominees is 5 strong candidates on s ballot.

When it comes to J Geils band I think all it would take is 5 at least semi decent candidates on the ticket to keep them from getting in.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 14:58pm

As much as I want the Rock Hall to make "Automatic 8" an official thing, J. Geils band is a reason against that for me.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 15:28pm

@Roy wait is that the real nominee list?

Posted by Michael on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 17:57pm

Greg P.,

Very nice. You posted your own prediction list. We have a whole bunch in common. And I agree with a lot even though I didnt choose some. I can agree with the Doobie Brothers. But I dont think they are a priority for the Hall. I can Agree with War but picked Rufus and the Spinners.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 18:18pm

Thanks, Ben. It's not the most imaginative list, or even the 19 artists I would most like to see nominated.

Michael,

Where do you see a list from Roy?

Posted by Greg P. on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 19:56pm

It's all the way up. It says:

"I've lost all hope and faith

THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. The Spinners
02. The Meters
03. Rufus/Chaka Khan
04. Jethro Tull
05. King Crimson
06. The Doobie Brothers
07. Kool & The Gang
08. The Commodores
09. Bad Company
10. Foreigner
11. Phil Collins
12. Janet Jackson
13. Rage Against The Machine
14. Radiohead
15. Soundgarden
16. Nine Inch Nails
17. LL Cool J
18. Dr. Dre
19. Snoop Dog"

Posted by Michael on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 20:41pm

No it's not.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 20:46pm

No it's not.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 20:46pm

No it's not.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 20:46pm

No it's not.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 20:46pm

Why did you say it 4 times ?

Posted by Michael on Saturday, 09/29/2018 @ 20:54pm

Greg P.,

Lets do some Discussing. I can use that. You chose Bad Company, Doobie Brothers and War for your 70s picks. Good Choices. We both chose Bad Company. A lot of people Have. I chose Jethro Tull. A Prog rock choice.They are one of the my favorite bands. I am surprised you Did NOT pick

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 09:55am

Greg P.,

I am surprised you DID NOT pick Jethro Tull. Some feel The Hall will skip a year on Prog. I think Prog will continue this year in the Hall with Jethro Tull. The Doobie Brothers and Jethro Tull are 2 totally different acts of the 70s. I guess you picked the Doobie Brothers for their successful Laid Back A.erican approach.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 10:10am

Greg P.,

They are very different, but inducting Jethro Tull IMO is just as likely as The Doobie Brothers. They both have key albums. Doobie Brothers had a lot of hits too. The Doobie Brothers have been overdue. They had a lot of success in the 70s. And Jethro Tull were a very successful British prog act in the 70s.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 10:21am

Glitch!

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 12:28pm

Ben,

In all honesty, I am just not as familiar with Jethro Tull outside of the song "Aqualung". And the Irving Azoff connection made me think The Doobie Brothers are a likely nominee.

Posted by Greg P. on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 12:29pm

Then why did you say "ive lost all hope and faith."?

Posted by Michael on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 12:44pm

Maybe because it doesn't include the '60s acts? Besides from the Spinners (in a technical sense), none of the nominees on that list are 1960s acts. Definitely will be a bit controversial if this is in fact the list. We'll see in a few days.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 18:38pm

Greg P.,

I understand completely. The Doobie Brothers almost made my list but I didnt want to have more than 4 for the 70s. There wasnt that many 70s acts Nominated last year. So I am mirroring that pattern.
I was supporting the Doobie Brothers by stating they had a lot of hits. But since I picked Bad Company and Jethro Tull as 70s acts plus 70s R&b acts. So I left the Doobie Brothers out. The Captain and Me is a great album. Also Listen to the Music,Rockin Down The Highway, Long Train Running and China Grove are all great hits. As far as Jethro Tull. A lot of people only know Aqualung. I know many of their albums.

I will have to read up on Irving Azoff. I am not too aquainted with him. I think he is a music critic.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 18:50pm

Timothy,

I am reposting my picks. As you can see I tried to make picks from most decades.I have several 60s artist as you can see. I have also seen a couple of others pick Peter Paul and Mary and Judy Collins.

general prediction

Chubby Checker
Patsy Cline
Dionne Warwick
5th Dimension

Tommy James and the Shondells - alts - Ides of March - Buckinghams

Judy Collins - alts Gordon Lightfoot - Peter Paul & Mary

The Guess Who - alt - BTO
REO Speedwagon - alt Styx

Willie Nelson - alts - Kris Kristofferson - Kenny Rogers or Kenny Rogers & First Edition - Jerry Reed

Lionel Ritchie - alt Commodores
Pat Benetar
The Go Gos
Beck
TLC
Soundgarden
Iron Maiden
Stone Temple Pilots
Tori Amos
Sheryl Crow


Women prediction

Patsy Cline
Dottie West
Dionne Warwick
The 5th Dimension
Judy Collins
Melanie
Helen Reddy
Janis Ian
Emmylou Harris
Pat Benetar
The GoGos
TLC
Sheryl Crow
Toni Braxton
Roberta Flack
Melissa Ethridge
Tori Amos
Shangra Las
Connie Francis

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 18:54pm

Zuzu
I'm surprised Tommy James or The Guess Who hasn't been inducted yet. Those are my FAVS from your list. Patsy Cline is an interesting name I've heard floated last few years. She's In The Country HOF but there have been artists like Johnny Cash who are in both. Cline would be an interesting choice. I still think Procol Harum will be nominated from the Prog groups. I like the Iron Maiden and STP choices. Too bad we lost Scott and his singing. Real talent. I don't understand why Pat Benatar is skipped over every year. Like that choice as well. Pat had the attitude, the hits, the looks, the singing and presentation...The total package. I'm looking forward to the Nominees list in October. I've hit on some long shots or 1st time nominees for several years: Los Lobos, Peter Gabriel, Journey recently. I had Steve Miller predicted but dumbly made him a final cut. Of course he was inducted that year. I would be happy to see Alice In Chains, Bad Company, Def Leppard, Procol Harum, Stevie Nicks. Would vote for all 5. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 20:01pm

Checked through all of the prediction lists, and it's amazing, how consistent they seem to be with the potential 19 nominees! I don't think I ever seen another year that had that much consensus with the nominees. Now we know the Rock Hall committee can be unpredictable, especially concerning Jann Wenner and Little Steven's continued push for the '60s rock and blues acts, but unless they decide to pick someone out of their hat like a rabbit to someone like, say, Air Supply (CAN YOU IMAGINE?!), I say that this list will probably be what will be announced. Especially concerning Janet and Radiohead.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 20:28pm

King,

The last ballot was way too heavy on 80s and the Brits. In the past when they went heavy on a group they seemed to swing the pendulum in the opposite direction. This is why I see a ticket that does not have Brits or so many post 70s artist. I think I did a half way decent attempt to balance among styles and decades and if I have a shortfall I think it could be the 50s but Chubby Checker and Patsy Cline did have songs in the 50s too. If I were to make an addition it would probably be the Big Bopper to cover the 50s.

I see REO getting similar attention to Steve Miller before he was nominated. That is the only reason I picked them over Styx despite Styx getting a huge increase in support. I feel that if they are going to include a prog or prog leaning artist this year, they have to go American. That leaves Styx or Kansas.

The problem I have with Stevie Nicks is that she is already inducted. I feel that having artist with multiple inductions is on of the biggest reasons so many have been passed over. They need to catch up on women before we have women with multiple inductions.

For early influence I would go with Carter Family who should have been inducted around the time Woody Guthrie and Ledbelly were.

For non-performer I would go with Herb Kent. He was the first African American dj inducted into the radio hall of fame. He broke down walls for Black djs. It wasn't about a Black dj on a Black station. His first job wss at a classic radio station. Another Chicago dj, Yvonne Daniels, was inducted into the Radio Hall of Fame. She was a Black woman at WLS, a top 40s station. This is why he is so important.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 20:42pm

Zuzu,

Some of the picks seem to be ones who SHOULD'VE been in long ago (Patsy Cline, Dionne Warwick, Willie Nelson, etc.).

After the induction of Percy Sledge, might as well put Chubby in before he dies, or if not Chubby himself, "The Twist" in the song category.

The 5th Dimension... I get it in a sense, but they don't strike me as a "Hall of Fame" act despite their number of hits in the late '60s and early '70s. I'd say if the Spinners get in first before them, it'll open doors to a possible Fifth Dimension nomination/induction.

I still don't see Helen Reddy as a Hall of Famer. I get the importance of "I Am Woman" but I'm not too familiar with her output to really make an opinion on why she would fit in there. "I Am Woman" can definitely be a song inductee though.

Unless Janet gets in first, TLC and Toni are gonna have to wait (and for Toni, she might have to wait until Whitney is included as a nominee in the near future).

I can see the Commodores getting in one day, but not Lionel on his own (same with Phil Collins; both men were extremely successful in the '80s and can be argued that they were quite influential on the acts that came after them and were inspired by their music, but they've also been deemed sell-outs and acts who betrayed their respective roots as funk/R&B and progressive rock acts with their bands).

Ditto with Kenny Rogers. Willie, I can see getting in, because he was basically a rock and roller in a country boy's voice. The pioneer of outlaw country and the songwriter of so many classic songs covered by rock, pop and R&B acts over the years.

Beck, I'll be surprised, if he's not picked this year. I didn't put him in my initial list but he screams "first year shoo-in". His nomination/induction won't be shocking at all.

The Shangri-Las is another act like Dionne and Patsy that you'd think would be in there already especially if there's "such a love for '60s rock" but Jann and Steven keep picking lesser knowns like Paul Butterfield (who got in) and J. Geils (who hasn't gotten in). The Ronettes' induction should've been the door buster for the Shangri-Las but the committee seemed to be as slow with them as they were with the Ronettes, who were lucky enough for all three original members to be alive to receive it and at least Ronnie and Nedra Talley got to do the song live one more time (don't know if Estelle - RIP - joined them?).

The Go-Go's, I can see being nominated, if not this year, the next. Tommy James is another "wait, they're not in yet?" act.

Stevie Nicks will have to go in before Sheryl Crow or Melissa Etheridge does.

Connie Francis might get hers in the future. Is she still alive? They won't nominate Pat Benatar this year (though they need to).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 20:44pm

Can someone review my list?

Posted by Michael on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 22:14pm

To address Zuzu's point on them addressing the 80s on the last ballot, I see it more as a turning of the page than an oversaturation. The HOF has been inducting acts for 32 years. You can't keep inducting 60s acts as your backdrop for that long. At some point, the spectrum of rock that is focused on is not going to be the oldest of times. They've been dancing around eligibilities of 80s groups for 10-15 years now, and I think it's high time we started giving these groups a hard look and seeing if their staying power matches those of the "50s and 60s pioneers". I know there's a contingent that probably thinks nothing after the introduction of funk and disco is purely rock hall of fame material, but this is exactly where I believe we are at in the crosshairs. The 80s groups are going to be the majority from here on out, and I see the 90s and 00s taking them over eventually.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 22:21pm

Do we know when the Nominations will officially be out?

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 22:57pm

K-Dawg,

Go back and look at 2000 on they were entering 80s artist when they should have been entering 70s artist. There already is an over-saturation of 80s artist. This is why last year was more of the worst decade of music history and not a turning of the page. They also skipped the early 60s to push through brit inv. They missed the garage bands and Tommy James and the Shondells tops the list.

It took them more than 20 years to nominate Chicago. If that isn't a smack in the face to tell you something is wrong than how about considering that they have yet to even nominate one of the biggest rock and roll icons ever, Chubby Checker. What does it take to wake you up to the fact that something is terribly wrong here. Record sales dropped in the 80s because too much of the music was substandard. These artist do not even deserve to be considered for induction. There are only a couple of 80s artist left that deserve to be considered. On the other hand I can come up with about 30 artists from the 60s and 70s that at least deserve the chance to go before their peers.

The nom com has 5 to 7 years to clean up their act or house of Pei is going to come crashing down. Look into sources that have no connection to the hall and you will get the truth. Artist and Boomers are fed up with what is going on. Stop relying on nom com propaganda sources. Too much has come out about the scams that go on in the hall. There are people inducted that have no business being there while the deserving sit on the sidelines. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 23:08pm

@ Follower

Probably this week. If I'm not mistaken, the Hall normally announces the winners of the ballot a week before Christmas.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 09/30/2018 @ 23:42pm

Timothy,

Connie Francis is still alive; in fact, she will be 80 in December. She had a long career on the Pop charts thanks to Dick Clark and others; but unfortunately she had some personal tragedies in the last near-45 years, including rape. Though Connie has been out of the public eye for so long, she still performs (according to her Wiki).

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 00:33am

Seems like the nomination announcement is no later than Wednesday morning. This month's Rock Hall Nights event on Wednesday at the museum is
"Ballot Battle" and they'll be asking people who they want to see INDUCTED rather than nominated.

Seems to make more sense that the nominees would already be announced before that evening or else it's a "Hypothetical Ballot Battle"...it would also be ridiculous to have people participate in an argument about who should be ON the ballot considering that...

1) The nominating committee has already met, therefore the ballot has been decided on.

2) And it would be really misguided to have people waste their breath saying who they think should be on such a ballot and then announcing the list like two days later. Therefore, having people "vote" on the actual ballot at the museum would be a lot more fun for the guests since they can gauge what others visitors want.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 03:29am

@Casper so, expect the nominees to get announced on 10/3?

Posted by Michael on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 09:24am

October has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 10:53am

Jason,

Yeah I knew she had a lot of personal tragedies. I checked her bio years ago and it said that she was still touring but I don't know about now? Though it's possible she still is.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 11:38am

Casper,

Interesting that they are having a "ballot battle" (strange title lol) but yeah it would probably make sense for them to announce it Wednesday.

I think it was on a Wednesday in the first week of October where nominations were announced last year (I specifically remembered it being on October 4th). I could be wrong but I think that was the date last year when nominations were announced so it looks to be the same this year (just on the 3rd).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 11:41am

It's always strange how they do it, but usually they announce at least a couple days before when they are going to name the nominees. I wouldn't be surprised to see them delay a week or so, but I'm definitely not going to pretend to be in the know of what's going on in their heads. Look forward to seeing what direction they will take, as I am expecting them to expound on the direction they began to take last year.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 12:16pm

Timothy,

I found the email from when they announced the nominees last year. It was on Thursday, October 5th. So, if they follow the same timeline, we're looking at this Thursday, October 4th.

Posted by Greg P. on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 13:09pm

Timothy,

I was born in 1958, so I am old enough to remember the effect the twist had. Don't forget the Beatles did a twist song. Chubby Checker was so much bigger and more important than Percy Sledge and Chubby Checkers should in no way depend on him. The Twist was entered last year. It may not be reported on but I am sure the nom com is getting a load of flack for that one. As if the twist was the only song that Chubby Checker did. As a matter of fact I remember Let's Twist Again getting more airplay

5th Dimension did Age of Aquarius, an anthem. They were also known for recording songs by unknowns and putting them on the map. Their lea singer Marilyn McCoo hosted Solid Gold and was an exceptional vocalist. Just listen to Love Lines Angles and Rhymes.

Lionel Ritchie seems to be highly thought of by his peers. If he goes in solo I do not see the Commodores get in. If the Commodores get in it will only be because of Lionel Ritchie.

Kenny Rogers - nothing to do with rock? Go look up the First Edition. Look at the song Ruby Don't Take Your Love to Town. Look at his duets with Dottie West. She is his connection to the Outlaws. He also help Don Henley get his start. You my want to look up who recorded Mel Tillis' songs. There is more than the outlaws to tie country rock, folk and blues together. I love Willie but Kris Kristofferson is more important.

Helen Reddy set the bar with her version of I Don't Know How To Love Him. Nobody else come close. She also did.

Angie Baby
That Ain't No Way To Treat a Lady
You and Me Against the World

Nobody depends on JJ or Stevie Nicks getting in.

The Jackson family is very much looked down on for the actions of their family members, so I do not see JJ getting inducted. Stevie Nicks is already in with Fleetwood Mac.These other women stand very well on their own.

You may not be aware but Tommy James an the Shondells have the most backing of any garage band. He should not have to wait. Just give him a nom and let's see if he gets the votes.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 14:46pm

"Lionel Ritchie seems to be highly thought of by his peers. If he goes in solo I do not see the Commodores get in. If the Commodores get in it will only be because of Lionel Ritchie."

Not neccessarily. Please keep in mind that the Commodores'two big million-selling hits that, were not even LED by Lionel Richie, but by The Commodores' OTHER lead singer, WALTER "Clyde" ORANGE.

Those songs were "BRICK HOUSE" and the Grammy-winning "NIGHT SHIFT".
In fact, Richie had already LEFT the group when NIGHT SHIFT was released. He wasn't even ON it.

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 16:32pm

Greg P.,

Hmm, I had to think back and yes you're right, it was definitely on a Friday. I think I must've thought of a different Wednesday from the year before?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 16:35pm

I didn't post that right. Let me try this again:

"Lionel Ritchie seems to be highly thought of by his peers. If he goes in solo I do not see the Commodores get in. If the Commodores get in it will only be because of Lionel Ritchie."

posted by Zuzu.

Not neccessarily. Please keep in mind that the Commodores'two big million-selling hits that, are considered the group's SIGNATURE SONGS , were not even LED by Lionel Richie, but by The Commodores' OTHER lead singer, WALTER "Clyde" ORANGE.

Those songs were "BRICK HOUSE" and the Grammy-winning "NIGHT SHIFT".
In fact, Richie had already LEFT the group when NIGHT SHIFT was released. He wasn't even ON it.

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 16:36pm

Jesus, this site won't let you edit! <_< But yeah it was definitely on a Thursday, Greg P.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 16:36pm

Zuzu,

If the Jackson family was looked down on, then why did the Jackson 5 and MJ get in?

Plus the tide has turned back positive for Janet so why wouldn't they honor her? Don't look like the Hall has as much vitriol for the Jacksons as you may think.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 16:39pm

Bill,

Lionel Ritchie has worked with several artist. Brick House was more of a passing fad. I do not remember any big todo about Night Shift. For too many people Lionel Ritchie was the Commodores. I truly feel that most votes that would go to the Commodores are actually being cast for Lionel Ritchie. So by this reasoning I feel that if Lionel Ritchie gets inducted solo then there would less votes for the Commodores and I do not see them getting in. I only see the Commodores inducted if they are nominated before Lionel Ritchie.

It is not what you or I think of each of these two but what I think the voting body would do.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 16:45pm

Timothy,

I think a deal was struck with Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney which involved PM getting the rites to the Beatles songs after Michael died. When Michael died the family sold the rites to these songs to somebody else. Yes this is speculation and involves reading between the lines but jj not getting votes does lend credence to this theory and explains how Michael and j5 got enough votes. Also the noms came before the second set of accusations came out. If it had come out after those 2 might not have gotten in.

I think there is the illusion of more positive feelings for jj brought on by the Jackson Family paid for propaganda squad. Keep an eye on the the voting stats for most no votes. jj went from 2 to 4, Why? Because out of nowhere somebody has been putting up a lot of no votes for the people under her which is going to push jj off the list again, giving the illusion that there is no negativity towards her.

I remember when Latoya came out that there was abuse in the family and that she felt that Michael molested those children. Boy was the family vicious in how thy turned on her. Now somebody spent a lot of time and money to bury this info. I wonder who and I wonder how much it cost?

You kids may blow it off but people my age look at this and are disgusted. How old are most of the voters? That is going to tell you if she will get votes.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 17:03pm

MY 19.
1. Connie Francis
2. Paul Anka
3. Frankie Avalon
4. The Carpenters
5. Jan & Dean
6. Chubby Checker
7. Neil Sedaka
8. Johnny Burnette & The Rock N Roll Trio
9. Three Dog Night
10. SteppenWolf
11. Ozzy Osbourne
12. Pat Benatar
13. Peter Paul & Mary
14. The Zombies
15. The Monkees
16. Emerson Lake & Palmer
17. The Doobie Brothers
18. Huey Lewis and The News
19. Whitney Houston

Posted by Jessie on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 17:54pm

Thanks, Jessie! Someone who feels like I do, that Emerson Lake & Palmer should be inducted! Their music, done as far back as 48 years ago, still sounds fresh! And...Keith was just voted # 1 prog keyboardist of all time. He changed music!!! I love many types of music but ELP is my # 1 favorite band, They opened my eyes to other musicians I hadn't paid attention to (Robert Berry, Gary Moore, Marc Bonilla, etc), so they did lots for my own tastes! Hope everyone is having a great Monday afternoon!

Posted by Susan A on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 18:22pm

Jessie

Looking at your list, I find myself surprised that you didn't include Tommy Roe.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 18:56pm

Zuzu,

That MIGHT be true for your generation but y'all are beginning to see your impact decline quite a bit. The younger generations are coming up and they're pretty upset that Janet was passed over for so many years between 2007 (the first year she was eligible) to now. Obviously the younger generations feel the Jacksons should be looked on more favorably now than generations before. And MJ's death did his legacy a whole lot of good so I can't say that they're affected by the past.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 23:57pm

Zuzu,

Plus, Janet made her own mark without having to rely on her family connections so the Hall of Fame should honor that as well. I think the real reason she was excluded was due to the Super Bowl backlash and that's starting to recede now that she's no longer looking like the catalyst for it (which she was unfavorably deemed as).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 23:59pm

Jessie,

No way are the Carpenters getting in. I love me some Karen Carpenter but they ain't getting in. If Dionne isn't in, she ain't.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/1/2018 @ 23:59pm

Zuzu:

Not saying that you're wrong, but, I would call winning a Grammy Award IS a big to-do....And The Commodores did exactly that...with NIGHTSHIFT...WITHOUT Lionel Richie.
Richie won two Grammys AFTER he left The Commodores... but NONE while he was there. And The Commodores had BIG hits back then.Richie was already "going pop" BEFORE he left...with tunes like "EASY", "SAIL ON", "STILL", and "THREE TIMES A LADY". All BIG hits,to be sure, but no Grammys won.

With the unwritten BLACKLISTING of R&B groups over the last NINE years on the part of the voting body, If the Hall of Fame ship is only gonna sail ONCE, I'd rather it be for The Commodores as a GROUP than Richie as a solo artist. If he's as good as you say , He should be good enough to get in as a solo artist later. BUT....
As I've said on this site before, Richie's solo material is too POP. So much so, in fact, that he has been labeled "The Black Barry Manilow".

Is Barry Manilow in The Hall of Fame ?
(see my point ?)

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 00:25am

It's quite comical that Lionel Richie would even be a thought in anyone's mind to be inducted to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame much less his similar peer, Phil Collins. You know if either of them are gonna be picks, the committee would be laughed at so embarrassingly, they might have to reconsider!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 01:32am

I agree with you.

Lionel Richie ? no.

The Commodores ? YES !!

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 03:07am

Timothy,

LaToya proves that jj is being held up with propaganda paid with family money. jj did not do anything that qualifies her for the hall. You are relying on propaganda not fact to back up that she did anything. The Superbowl was an eyeroll moment. Just more propaganda bs. If she was really blackballed then why would the family allow CBS to do that thriller special? She took away from women that were actually hurt by LM. She and her family should be held accountable for this.

Hillary and Elizabeth Warren caught a lot of flack for the nasty girl bit.

Micheal's death did not wash clean the stink of what he was accused of. One season the voice had a woman that was supposed to perform at a concert with Michael and a boy that was based on a young Michael. The boy did not last long and as soon as the woman did a song by Michael she was gone.

By the way it is not just our generation, only a small portion of your generation are fans. It is only propaganda that makes it seem like more. One day you will learn an you will see exactly what I am talking about. Right now you are too wrapped up in the warm fuzzy feelings to see the cold hard facts. Only time will change your view.

Rock and roll is my generations music. In 5 to 7 years a good bulk of the last of the Boomers will be retiring. Just wait till there are enough of us with free time to go on the internet.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 05:38am

Bill,

The Commodores are not r&b but are disco. Rufus is a funk band and yet the kids think they are disco and that is part of the problem with them not getting the votes. The other part is the passing over of several artist connected to or from Chicago.

This is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and not the R& B Hall of fame. Different criteria. I do have a problem in who you define as r&b and who isn't. I am old enough to remember the twist and Chubby Checker was always called r&r never r&b. Bill Withers a soul singer not r&b - are you kidding me. Janet Jackson is a pop princess and not r&b. The dance thing comes out of jazz and not r&r or r&b. Please watch West Side Story to see what I am talking about.

Disco is not r&b or r&r. African Americans my age listen to soul, funk and gospel. They do not listen to disco Michael Jackson or j5. What you listen to as a young kid is one thing and then you grow up and you realize it was just teeny bopper music and of no real consequence.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 05:56am

Picks for the ballot with Explanations.

Bad Company: They were a key band of the 70s. Their first couple albums are a big success. Paul Rodgers is good friends with Steve Van Zant. That certainly helps.

Beck:Very influential and they critics have loved him since he started in the 90s.

Blood,Sweat and Tears: A good act that started in the 60s. Their album Blood, Sweat & Tearswas one of the top albums of 1969. They had a bunch of hits as well as a few albums. I mistakenly thought Spinning Wheel would be in the Singles category but I say No. They have a few key albums.

Judy Collins: This my folk music pick for the ballot. Following the inductions of Joan Baez and Nina Simone this one makes sense.

The Cure: A key group of the 80s. They have sales and critical success. It continues the move towards 80s acts. Not my bag.

Def Leppard: This a crowd pleaser. This is my Arena rock choice. A lot of people thik it will be Def Leppard's turn.

Eurythmics: A key group on MTV. The were icons on MTV in the 80s.

The Five Satins: This one is in honor of my Dad. He liked a lot of truly pre rock music but my Dad liked the song In the Still of the Night. They were key in the 50s.

Janet Jackson: One of the most popular acts of the 80s and 90s. She is part of the Jackson family. So that gives her a good chance at another nomination.

Jethro Tull: Since the nominating committee is warming up more to Prog this pick seems likely. They have more chance to be on the ballot than other prog rock acts. They have a lot of key albums.

Judas Priest:Very important in the metal world. The backlash to their exclusion last year gives them attention.

LL Cool J: He has been nominated a few times. There is always a hip hop act in recent years.

Dave Matthews: A very key group of the 90s. Dave Matthews is well liked by musicians.

Rufus featuring Chaka Khan: A major R&B act of 70s for the ballot. It features Chaka Khan. The Hall is trying hard yo get Chaka Khan somehow.

I will continue in a bit. There is 14 of my picks right there. The announcement is coming soon so I thought I should write up my explanations. I will be back.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 07:05am

I will now continue with Picks for the ballot of the 2019 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

Soundgarden: They are very respected. I don't know how they missed nomination last year. Chris Cornell's tragic death and the tribute early this year certainly shows they have support.

The Spinners: This group has been nominated several times. I had a hard time picking between Rufus and the Spinners but the Hall often picks at least 2 r&b acts. Henry Fambrough is the only member still alive. They helped pioneer the Philadelphia soul Sound.

Tina Turner: I haven't seen a lot of people pick Tina Turner. She was inducted as part of Ike & Tina Turner in 1991 I think. She is more known as a solo act of the 80s and 90s. She has a lot of hits in the 80s.

Steve Winwood: He was inducted as part of Traffic but he is also known for his solo career.

The Zombies: A 60s rock/pop act with a bunch of hits back in the 60s. She's Not There and Tell Her No were 2 big hits they had during the early British invasion. They also released Odyssey and Oracle during the psychedelic era.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 07:48am

A side note:

According to the recently updated Rock Hall Revisited and Projected Ranking list, these are the Top 19 eligible acts not yet inducted:

42. Radiohead
44. Kraftwerk
71. The Cure
88. The Smiths
92. Joy Division
93. Nine Inch Nails
95. Pixies
97. T. Rex
102. Roxy Music
104. Smashing Pumpkins
109. Depeche Mode
122. Janet Jackson
126. Beck
127. Outkast
129. Soundgarden
135. King Crimson
136. Rage Against The Machine
138. Sonic Youth
139. Judas Priest

Of course this is not how I think the ballot should be, but it really looks like the Hall needs a slight modern twist.

Looking at the rock era influence ranking, these are the top five acts not in yet (you know, the Joan Baez/Nina Simone spot):

5. Willie Nelson
7. John Coltrane
8. Patsy Cline
9. Lightnin' Hopkins
14. The Kingston Trio

And these are the highest ranked pre rock era influences that are not in yet:

11. Roy Brown
12. Frank Sinatra
16. Wynonie Harris
19. The Carter Family
20. Ella Fitzgerald

Posted by MichaelEU on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 13:10pm

I can not wait to see this group of nominees this year. My guess is with everything transpiring in the world today, this may be the first year the Hall gets the right mix of nominees. I doubt they will induct the right artists, but they have a chance to make a class of nominees far better than the previous decade or so.

My picks:
1. Outkast
2. Janet Jackson
3. Beck
4. Radiohead
5. Chaka Khan & Rufus
6. Chic
7. Nine Inch Nails
8. LL Cool J
9. The Cure
10. Joe Tex
11. Link Wray
12. Pat Benatar
13. Mary Wells
14. The Pixies
15. Def Leppard
17. Cher
18. Patti Labelle/Labelle
19. Willie Nelson

5 Possible Alternates
1. The Marvelettes
2. Soundgarden
3. Eric B. & Rakim
4. Judas Priest
5. J Geils Band

5 I would like to see but doubt will be there this year:
1. Kate Bush
2. MC5
3. Sonic Youth
4. Sade
5. The Five Satins

5 curveballs the Hall could throw
1. Patsy Cline - Sliding in as an Early Influence after not making the induction group.
2. Whitney Houston - The committee bypasses Janet Jackson's deserved nomination, and uses Houston as the big female nominee.
3. Tina Turner - A definite inductee for her solo work, but not yet nominated for it.
4. Conway Twitty - To give a little nod to that strange part of his career again, and a moment to look at Country without putting a definite inductee in the group (Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, Merle Haggard).
5. Dionne Warwick - Allows the Hall to begin to open up the doors to smooth R&B, mainstream Pop, and Soft Rock. ABBA is in, but Warwick could usher in the era of chart dominant artists from that subgenres. (Think The Carpenters, Barry Manilow, Bette Midler, etc..)

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 18:19pm

I have posted my Detailed explanation of alll my Nomineee predictions. What do alll of yu think of them. It would be very Coool to get response.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 18:46pm

Pretty good stuff, Ben. As well as Chris F and Jessie.

Good thinking.

Posted by joker on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 19:17pm

Ben,

I would love to see Judy Collins get a nod. Especially with Baez getting in so easily. I don't know if she will be the pick for the folk choice just yet. I would think someone like Peter, Paul, and Mary would have a better chance. And if the Hall wanted to be strange and throw someone in from left field they make pick an artist like Emmylou Harris who covers a lot of ground. I do think this year will have more female nominees than any previous year. So Collins may still get a shot.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 19:39pm

The Rock Hall tweeted a picture of the shirt that Jeff Ament (the bassist from Pearl Jam) wore at his band's induction. The shirt listed several influential artists that should be nominated.

The Cars, Nina Simone, Bon Jovi, and Tom Waits have already been inducted, so take a few off the list.

https://twitter.com/rockhall/status/1046811574764212224
https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/343/17/9c0562bb6ed77aa5.jpg

Posted by Tyler on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 19:49pm

Again, anyone who seriously thinks Lionel Richie has a chance at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is just living on a prayer. No way will that brother's name be called. Like Phil, he's good with a Songwriter's Hall of Fame and Hollywood Walk of Fame (and he got a KCH). Lionel's good lol (he doesn't meet the benefits of a Hall of Fame besides hit success, but no one inducted has ever got in on just that merit).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 23:25pm

Ben,

Tina has had an eventful year in 2018. Her son's death aside, she has had her life story once again dramatized in a musical stage play that could have a Broadway run in 2019. She's set to release her new autobiography sometime this month (think it's next week, she's supposed to release it, October 8th, I think). And she has a documentary to go along with it. I would think for the committee, her getting in with Ike was good enough. Maybe. Who knows?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/2/2018 @ 23:28pm

Timothy

Before you claim that I am living on pipe dreams may I suggest you look into who Lionel Ritchie has worked with. See this is the biggest problems with guesses on who will get inducted. Too many people only look at the nom com. They do not look at the voting body. The nom com catches a lot of hell behind the scenes. There is pressure building up against their idiotic choices. There has been bits and pieces coming out over the years They have to give in or they are going to go down. Even Cleveland is getting tired of their garbage.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 00:06am

I may be reading too much into this, but I thought it was worth noting. Yesterday, on the Rock Hall's Instagram story, they put out the question "Who do you want to see on the 2019 ballot?". Today on their story, they shared a few of the responses. The ones they shared were:

"Bad Company"

"Smashing Pumpkins or blink-182"

"The Go-Gos"

"Def Leppard"


I had responded with INXS. So, do you think they chose to share those specific responses because they are actually artists on the ballot this year? I doubt blink-182 is, but the rest of them seem likely.

Posted by Greg P. on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 00:37am

Greg P,

Iron Maiden! Something to give metal another nod.

Tomorrow is rumored to be the day but I think they're going to wait at least a few more days...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 02:39am

"Bill,

The Commodores are not r&b but are disco. Rufus is a funk band and yet the kids think they are disco and that is part of the problem with them not getting the votes. The other part is the passing over of several artist connected to or from Chicago."
Posted by Zuzu

Sorry, Zuzu. The Commodores are definitely NOT Disco. They are an R&B and Funk band. Listen to hits like "Sweet Love", "This Is Your Life", "Just To Be Close To You", and Lady (You Bring Me Up When I'm Down)" And you'll hear their their Motown/R&B roots.
Listen to Hits like "Brick House", Machine Gun" "Fancy Dancer", and Slippery When Wet"and you'll hear their Funk side,
They have even had some hit songs with a MOR/Country feel , like "Sail On", "Still", "Three Times A Lady", and "Oh No".

The Commodores have had many different hits of different genres....but DISCO? Certainly NOT.

And again, as I've said before many times on these pages, R&B is DEFINITELY a legitimate branch of Rock and Roll. In Fact , it's one of the PROGENITORS of Rock and Roll. So, R&B and it's artists most assuredly belongs in the Hall of Fame.The HUGE number of Rock and Roll acts that have covered R&B tunes over the decades is PROOF.

Case in Point: The J. Geils Band.

This is a group who has made up a BIG part of it's
recorded output covering classic R&B tunes:

FIRST I LOOK AT THE PURSE was originally recorded and made a hit by the Motown group THE CONTOURS.(the SAME group that had a smash hit with "DO YOU LOVE ME"... and it was written by two members of another Motown group, THE MIRACLES (Smokey Robinson and Bobby Rogers)

AIN'T NOTHING BUT HOUSE PARTY was originally recorded by R&B group THE SHOWSTOPPERS.


LOOKING FOR A LOVE was originally recorded by R&B group THE VALENTINOS (a group consisting of Rock & Roll Hall of Famer BOBBY WOMACK and his brothers)


WHERE DID OUR LOVE GO was first recorded by still another Motown group, THE SUPREMES.

LAND OF A THOUSAND DANCES was written and originally recorded by R&B artist CHRIS KENNER and was later made an even bigger hit by WILSON PICKETT.

The ROLLING STONES have , in their career, recorded at least 70 COVERS of classic R&B tunes .

Are you saying that R&B SONGS are OK, as long as they are sung by White Rock acts...but R&B SINGERS (many of whom actually ORIGINATED those tunes), should be EXCLUDED from the Hall ?

I'm sorry , I just can't accept that reasoning.

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 02:40am

Chris F.,

I like your Response about Judy Collins. I dont even know her too well. Its just a good educated Guess. I am think Judy Collins has a pretty good shot being on the ballot. I do find the Hall is pushing more female nominees. It is exactly because Joan Baez got in so easily that I chose Judy Collins. I could have picked Carole King for her Solo work but the Hall seems to be going for female nominees even older than Carole King. Judy Collins has a good shot based on this logic.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 05:53am

My most recent list had included 27 possible nominees. Although that list may be somewhat unrealistic, I think that the point is this- if you are going to only induct 5 acts- the list of deserving inductees increases. With that in mind, I have decided to amend my list slightly and present 21 instead.

01. Duran Duran- Now that the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) have been inducted and since The Cars are also in, I think that Duran Duran stands a great chance of garnering a nomination as well as an induction into the Rock Hall. Duran Duran are also an influence on Rush.

02. Jethro Tull- long overdue and of course, a major influence on Rush.

03. Procol Harum- Outside Of a ‘Whiter Shade Of Pale,’ Procol Harum still stands a chance of being nominated. Again, a huge influence on Rush.

04. The Zombies- a perennial favorite which seem to be returning to the Nomination list.

05. Sade- Now that the late great Sister Rosetta Tharpe and the late great Nina Simone have been inducted, I think that Sade is the next logical place to go.

06. Carly Simon- Joan Baez, Cat Stevens and James Taylor are in. Where is Carly Simon?

07. Pat Benatar- Kristen Studard wants to see a nomination for Pat Benatar. I agree, I think that she would make a great addition to the Rock Hall.

08. Garth Brooks- country is underrepresented in the Rock Hall. Garth Brooks would be a huge draw, plus he has a great deal of “rock and roll” in his music.

09. Shania Twain- another artist who has crossover appeal from the country genre.

10. k.d. lang- a suggestion from a good friend.

11. Lionel Richie- Lionel has crossover appeal, plus he has been quite influential.

12. Judas Priest- I think that they will return once again to the ballot.

13. Eurythmics- a good representative, plus they did quite well in the poll last year.

14. Björk- Yes, her work is strange, plus unexpected and eclectic.

15. LLCool J- once again, I think that LL is due for another nomination.

16. Bad Company

17. Doobie Brothers- long overdue, plus Irving Azoff is a strong advocate for their induction.

18. Radiohead- I really do not even remotely like Radiohead, but I suppose they had been influential.

19. The Cure- considered to be one if the most influential artists on alternative rock.

20. The Carpenters or The Monkees or Cher. It is really hard to decide.

21. Beck- His father David Campbell had arranged strings for Rush’s brilliant Clockwork Angels album and tour.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 10:46am

Greg P.,

BLINK-182?! They're tripping! HAHAHA (I love me some Blink-182, well I did, but come on now...)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 10:51am

Bill G.,

I think we can conclude Zuzu is a white boy. Only a white dude would think the Commodores was a disco act or that R&B acts don't belong in there, which is funny because when the Rock Hall was first created, three of the first artists inducted - James Brown, Sam Cooke and Ray Charles - were considered the founding fathers of the genre (and of soul music)! LOL

Then the R&B-heavy 1987 induction ceremony had greats like Marvin Gaye (the first Motown artist to be inducted, funny how one forgets that), Clyde McPhatter, Smokey Robinson and Jackie Wilson. OH AND LET'S NOT FORGET THE FIRST LADY OF THE HALL: MISS ARETHA FRANKLIN, aka THE QUEEN OF SOUL.

I can go on about the number of R&B/soul artists who earned their rightful place in the Hall over the years. Clearly someone who thinks Lionel Richie deserves an induction over the Commodores (who have more credentials to enter) is biased against black acts. And that's why he thinks Janet Jackson shouldn't get in because he thinks the media still frowns upon the first family of pop music lmao

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 10:57am

Timothy

A small suggestion look things up before you open your mouth because it only makes you look like a fool. I am a 60 year old women. All you needed to do was look up It's a Wonderful Life. The character Zuzu is a girl.

I do not think the Commodores were disco - I know because I was there. I am sure you can't say the same now can you?

I do not think jj even deserves consideration because I witnessed over the years what kind of scammers this family is. You on the other hand like so many other kids just lap up propaganda as if it were fact. Too lazy to get off you buts and look things up yourselves and vet you sources. Too lazy to think for yourselves.

If jj was blackballed by Les Moonves then why did the family allow CBS to do a Michael special?

If you want to see what blackballing looks like then check out what Bill Cosby did to Janis Ian.

I do not fall for Jackson Family propaganda.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 11:34am

Enigmaticus,

First of all, great screen name lol

Second, hmm, 21? I still think they'll go with 19. I don't know if there was ever a time the committee nominated more than that in the past (I could be wrong, of course).

Third, let's run down your list:

#1 - yeah I think other than new wave, they were also the first to make MTV an art form when MTV wasn't sure what it wanted to be: a rock channel or an artsy channel or something completely different. Before Michael Jackson, Prince, Madonna, Janet and Whitney Houston, Duran Duran were one of the faces of the channel and continued to do so until roughly 1985 though they've kept on going strong since so they earn a place. I did include them in my list and still think they should pick them but they probably would pass DD aside again for Depeche Mode or The Cure this year. But they're a deserving act of the Hall.

#2 - the one thing that gets me about Jethro Tull is how after the Grammy win for heavy metal, this band was almost made to be a joke. Least that's how I see it. Now to music critics, that may not be true because their music has been critically acclaimed so I wouldn't be surprised if they get in either this year or next. But JT's induction could open doors for more prog-rock acts that are not in yet like Emerson Lake and Palmer. Definitely can't argue with your pick of them.

#3 - Procol Harum - they're gonna have to wait next year. If JT gets nominated this year, Procol Harum won't until the year after next.

#4 - The Zombies - they've gotten the Chic treatment, that's likely to continue since the committee has been less biased towards '60s acts after the DC5.

#5 - God knows I love me some SADE (pronounced SHA-DAY) but Janet's (and possibly Whitney's) inductions will have to come first before Sade gets in BUT they're a deserving act to get in. Maybe not next year but 2020 could be their year if Sade makes their 2019 comeback as rumored.

#6 - I didn't think of Carly Simon initially (almost forgot she's not an inductee yet!) but I wonder after Laura Nyro finally got in, why has it taken Carly this long? But sadly I don't think she'll be on this list. Then again, the Hall is unpredictable!

#7 - Pat Benatar - if there are more than three female nominees this year, Pat will definitely be one of them. I agree with this pick. I have her in my list of potential nominees for 2019, how can they continue to overlook her???

#8 - Garth Brooks. NO. LOL this is the first pick that I'm giving the Rev. Bullwinkle treatment. :) I love some of Garth's songs, don't get me wrong, but he's right where he should be (Country Music Hall of Fame and possibly Pop Music Hall of Fame if he's not in yet)

#9 - Shania Twain. I love Shania but nah I can't agree with this one either, sir. "That don't impress me much". I get it: both Garth and Shania have rock in their country blood but they're still seen as just country acts.

#10 - k.d. lang - OKAY this is an act that was initially deemed as country that I can rock with because unlike Garth and Shania, she had an appeal that extended out of country and plus, she was one of the first openly gay artists to be a heavily successful mainstream artist and that should be enough. I get how influential she is so yeah I see your point about her. I love that voice.

#11 - Lionel. AGAIN... NO. NO. NO. NO. I don't know but some of y'all are really gunning hard for LYE-O-NEL (as we in the black community call him) haha. Again, I don't hate Lionel Richie, I actually do dig his stuff. One thing he has that is on the Hall list of things to be inducted for is crossover appeal (which is why you also listed Garth and Shania on there) but other than that? IDK... he may be influential to some adult contemporary acts and some pop-country-R&B acts, but... I'm still gonna have to make a hard pass at the brother from Alabama. :) Like I said before, I can see the Commodores being inducted (and that's an induction for Lionel anyway) but not solo Lionel. I get the enthusiasm but no. Also, no Tina solo induction (and her induction as a solo act would make BETTER sense), no Lionel. LOL

#12 - Judas Priest. Ahhhh much better. LOL yeah I agree with Judas Priest. It's high time they get in. Heavy metal has not been respected as much. Plus Rob Halford is a legend by himself for many reasons. :)

#13 - I would be deeply saddened if Annie and Dave are not nominated this year. DEEPLY SADDENED! Annie was truly an icon of gender bending pop music. But if they get nominated and get in, that opens the door for another pioneer of gender bending pop: BOY GEORGE!!!! (AHHH!) Sorry, I got too excited lol

#14 - Björk is another nomination that makes great sense but I'm afraid she's gonna have to wait. The committee doesn't nominate more than three women a year now.

#15 - LL Cool J - he'll definitely get back on the ballot if Outkast isn't on it this year and he'll get in. He won't get the Nile Rodgers/Chic treatment.

#16 - Bad Company - I think they will be nominated this year. It almost seems a given. They're another big arena 70s rock act and Paul Rodgers is a sanging mf lol

#17 - Doobie Brothers - they might get a chance since people keep bringing up the Irving Azoff connection but again, what's taken the committee so long? Thanks a lot Little Steven and Jann Wenner, I guess lol

#18 - Radiohead - it was a total shame the Hall didn't nominate them. The Hall can't help it if some acts (coughSexPistolscough) decide not to give the Hall a performance. Radiohead meets all the credentials. Induct them already, I agree.

#19 - The Cure - oh yes. Definitely. I think they'll be nominated again this year since the committee is thinking about the '80s acts. Surely Robert, Simon and company will see induction in the near future. I hope it's this year but if not, then 2020.

#20 -

The Carpenters - this may still be a controversial pick despite the reassessment of their work. Karen Carpenter is looked on as one of the greatest female singers of all time and Richard as one of the greatest arrangers and producers, but seeing as they were never darlings of rock music critics (or rock purists) during the age of Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath, they'll still get snubbed. But an induction would finally make them seem "legit". Something tells me if Sonic Youth gets nominated this year and inducted, they'll push for them so a nomination/induction is possible. Possible.

The Monkees - after KISS, Bon Jovi, Deep Purple and some other act I can't put a name to, they're a heavy favorite to get in. They may have started off as manufactured but with songs like I'm a Believer, Last Train to Clarksville and Daydream Believer, they proved to be a real rock act imho. If a '60s rock act does get nominated this year (if not Procol Harum or the Zombies), let it be them.

Cher - LOVE Cher. Living legend. Hits that spanned 40 years. Very influential to the divas that came after her. But no. I think a Sonny and Cher induction would make better sense simply because I Got You Babe and The Beat Goes On are just iconic. But the general perception of Cher by herself seems more personality than rock star and that's unfortunate because in portions of her large career, she's proven she can rock with the best of them especially during the late '80s and early '90s, but I think in terms of divas that left their musician husbands, Tina Turner has far more credentials to enter as a solo act than Cher. JMHO.

And finally, DRUMROLL...

#21 - Beck. Oh he's gonna be nominated. I'll be surprised if he doesn't. This year will be heavily influenced by the '80s and '90s acts with the '60s and '70s acts getting smaller notice. To not nominate Beck this year would be a shame.

Overall great list, though some picks are too enthusiastic despite my personal feelings about their music.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 11:35am

Bill

I will get back to you later today. I have a couple of medical appointments coming over today and I will reply to what you said after. I want to spend the time giving you a thought out reply since you want to discuss and not turn this into an insult slinging contest.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 11:38am

Zuzu, just admit you got a bias. Especially concerning Lionel. Lionel was considered a joke to rock critics and music critics in general never gave him the same respect they gave other crossover black acts like MJ and Prince because both of them were pretty influential and were seen as rock acts. Lionel's music was mostly soft rock/very soft R&B ballads. The ballad Hello is seen as kinda meme-ish at this point. Dancing on the Ceiling didn't help his credentials. The only songs people can agree on when it comes to LYE-O-NEL (lol) is "All Night Long (All Night)" and "Endless Love". And again, calling the Commodores a disco act is taking away from who they are as an act. You're CLEARLY showing your bias. Lionel may have had far more success but the Commodores are more of an act that the Rock Hall can entertain in the future. As Bill said, some of their biggest hits were sung by another singer in the group (Walt Orange).

In your list, you also seem to heavily favor black acts that appealed more to white folks than black (Lionel aside, you also listed Dionne Warwick and the Fifth Dimension). Your choice of Helen Reddy is still laughable, not just to me but to a whole lot of people when it comes to Rock Hall picks.

You also really seem heavily invested in Lionel but forgetting one thing, and I'm repeating myself, but Lionel is seen by many as a soft rock act. How many soft rockers do you know have been inducted to the Hall or even nominated? I'll wait on it lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 11:52am

So, are the nominees going to be announced on October 9th? I'm starting to have doubts about it being announced this week.

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 12:26pm

I'd say 2 weeks away minimum. I have seen no buzz at the RRHOF website, Facebook page, or anywhere else. They are taking their time, as if this isn't even the time of year for it. It's their style though

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 13:28pm

Announcements will absolutely not be on Oct. 9th; it would be widely announced by now if it was. For the past two years, the nominee announcements and induction classes have been closely coordinated with Sirus XM's Volume Channel; and that is going to happen this year as well. The announcement date will be scheduled and advertised ahead of time and the official press release will be distributed in conjunction with a live reveal on the morning Feedback show, with the HOF Museum chairman on hand for commentary and a Q&A; and followed up later with segments on Eddie Trunk's show with phone call interviews with any hard rock/metal related nominees, and the afternoon Debatable show with Mark Goodman and Alan Light (who is on the nomination board) featuring additional phone interviews with various nominees.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 14:45pm

Then the nominees will either show up tomorrow or on Friday, right?

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 14:51pm

I remembered when many of us was wondering when the nods would come last year and then was stunned to see they were announced that Thursday morning.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 15:04pm

OK - I take part of that back. Looking at last year, there was only a three day notice beforehand of the big reveal. It could indeed be done on Oct. 9; but if it is, it will be announced by the end of this week; possibly on Friday.

The press release last year was Oct. 2, announcing that the nominees would be revealed on the Feedback show on Oct. 5.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 15:55pm

"I think we can conclude Zuzu is a white boy. Only a white dude would think the Commodores was a disco act or that R&B acts don't belong in there, which is funny because when the Rock Hall was first created, three of the first artists inducted - James Brown, Sam Cooke and Ray Charles - were considered the founding fathers of the genre (and of soul music)! LOL"

Posted by Timothy Pernell

Also, Tim, don't forget the Architect of Rock and Roll himself...LITTLE RICHARD . He was ALSO one of the Founding Fathers of Rock and Roll..and was inducted in that VERY FIRST CLASS back in 1986.
Heis ALSO one of only TWO members of that First Class that is still ALIVE...him and Jerry Lee Lewis (who actually borrowed a lot from Little Richard's style and presentation of music.)

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 18:27pm

@ Bill

Actually, there are three living inductees from ‘86 - Jerry, Richard and one of the members from the Everly Brothers.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 18:37pm

Bill G.,

Yeah, who can't forget Little Richard.

Amazing that there are still three living inductees from the first class.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 19:32pm

Zuzu,

It is slightly off point to say a person has to be in a moment to understand the moment. The reason we look back at history is to better understand it. Just because someone wasn't around at the beginning of an era doesn't mean they are incapable of understanding it. That is true for all history. Not just Popular Music or the 20th Century. In fact I would say nostalgia clouds an argument moreso than researching it years later.

In regards to Disco, a subgenre of Rock, it is hard to say who is and was not in the mix. Disco essentially defined Dance music of the 70s. Many artists could be included into that sound but not be called Disco acts. The Commodores are certainly Dance acts to a degree, but you were more likely to hear Kraftwerk in an actual 1970s Disco Club. The Commodores were essentially a great R&B vocal group carrying on a tradition of sound left over from the 1950s and 1960s. Helping to diversify that sound like great acts do. They deserve a nomination, in my honest opinion they deserve an eventual induction. Disco needs more respect in the Hall, but a nomination for The Commodores does not give the sound of that era respect. In fact it sends a message that only artists similar to Disco are acceptable.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 20:56pm

Bill G.,

Did Don Everly pass away recently? I hadn't seen any news of that. I thought he was still alive too.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 22:41pm

My apologies, I didn't see others had posted the same inquiry.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 22:46pm

@ Philip

Don is still around and Phil passed away four years ago.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 10/3/2018 @ 22:47pm

I saw The Killer at Riotfest back in mid Sep. Had an excellent backing band with him. They did 4 songs before he came out. Can still play awesome piano, but no stage antics at all anymore (walks with a cane).

Looked to be very happy with his reception. Glad I saw him. Sure wish I'd seem him circa 1966 :-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 07:11am

Hey everyone. It is rather Clear that the Nominees for 2019 Hall are not being announced today. The announcement is Now closely coordinated with Sirius XM.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 08:27am

They're too quiet lol

Somebody's gonna leak the nominee list due to impatience lmao

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 09:02am

Who leaks the lists?

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 10:22am

Looks like it’s gonna be tomorrow for the announcement.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 10:44am

They do realize they could make this a much bigger and well-publicized and coordinated event if they announced when they were going to publish the nominees WELL in advance? Might give them advertising and other revenue opportunities as well and not drive us all crazy. Just a rational thought for a usually irrational process lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 11:30am

You know I don't recall any nominees ever being leaked in the past; but inductees have often been leaked. I think that is in large part because they don't advance notify the nominees, and the nominating committee members are good at keeping a lid on their activities. But they do start making calls before the announcement to try to get ahold of actual inductees; and their publicists and such wind up leaking the fact that their clients are getting in.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 11:48am

The Dude,

Are you sure of it?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 13:33pm

Last year’s nominees were revealed on the first week of October, so it could happen tomorrow rather today. But it’s doubtful the Hall will make an announcement next week.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 13:47pm

So i was on the Rock Hall website, and I bookmarked the Depeche Mode nominee page. I think it's unlisted in a way. I went on the URL and switched Depeche Mode nominee with Radiohead. Their page was there as well. I eventually typed up all of the nominees from 2018. Some band pages were deleted. Some were'nt. Could the ones that still have their page be nominees for 2019?


Yes means their page is still there.

No means it was deleted.

DEPECHE MODE- yes
RADIOHEAD- yes
EURYTHMICS- yes
J. GEILS BAND- yes
JUDAS PRIEST- yes
KATE BUSH- yes
LINK WRAY- yes
MC5- no
LL COOL J- no
THE METERS- yes
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE- no
RUFUS WITH CHAKA KHAN- no
THE ZOMBIES- no

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 14:43pm

Michael,

You are a sleuth! That seems about right with the roster of acts they seem to retain from the previous year.

I have always been more of the spread the love around type. There are plenty of acts that need at least to be considered.

On Kate Bush, it seems a little odd that she would be brought back on for a second year in a row. I am excited if it were true, I just hope it isn't one of those Darlene Love/Laura Nyro committee obsessions. Bush has more than enough merit. She doesn't need to be pushed on each ballot until the voting body just goes with it.

If Rufus is out I wonder if they will try a solo nomination for Khan again. Or could another Funk act be making an appearance?

If LL is out, a shame since he is getting the Kennedy Center Honor this year, I hope they manage to nominate more than a single other Hip Hop act outside of Outkast. De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, or Eric B. & Rakim for example.

I would be astounded if Radiohead didn't end up back on this ballot.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 15:33pm

Michael,

That's a good possibility. But I wonder if the same was said about the 2017 nominee list?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 15:34pm

I'm thinking if it ain't Outkast, Eric B. and Rakim will definitely get another stab but if this is true, we got eight of the potential 19 nominees out of the way then.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 15:48pm

Timothy,

What about Snoop? He is enough of an icon that he might get a nod. With Tupac and NWA, he's a potential logical choice (California rap)

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 16:42pm

Hey Guys,

The 2019 nominees will be announced this Tuesday, October 9th.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 16:52pm

K-Dawg,

I can see Snoop in the Hall in a couple of years. If not this year, maybe next, but he'll be nominated and inducted.

Richie,

Thanks. So that person who guessed the 9th was correct after all.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 17:18pm

@ Timothy

Even if Snoop didn't get nominated yet, don't expect his year to be 2020, 2021, or 2022. Those respectively belong to Biggie, Jay-Z, and Eminem.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 10/4/2018 @ 20:34pm

If ANY R&B acts are nominated, you can be SURE of THIS :
They will be MINOR-LEVEL ACTS , or PERENNIAL R&B LOSERS: Joe Tex, The Meters,Rufus,etc.
That NO ONE will vote for...
To INSURE that ONLY the acts that The RRHOF wants in....will get in...While R&B Superstars that actually have a CHANCE...
Will be IGNORED...AGAIN.
Don't look for BARRY WHITE, THE COMMODORES, THE POINTER SISTERS, THE SPINNERS or DIONNE WARWICK...
or maybe even JANET JACKSON.
***IT AIN'T HAPPENIN'!!!***
and so , ONCE AGAIN, only White Rock acts...and the occasional RAPPER...
will be inducted.
I will be TOTALLY SHOCKED if it happens ANY OTHER WAY....
But I'd be HAPPILY SURPRISED....
If it DID.

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 10/5/2018 @ 00:37am

The Dude,

Don't forget about Puffy, Lil Kim (as a female artist), or DMX either. Rap really hit its stride in the late 90s. 50 Cent is also coming up...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 10/5/2018 @ 00:42am

@ K-Dawg

Don't really see those future eligibles getting inducted their first years. But Biggie, Jay and Em will.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 10/5/2018 @ 01:06am

It is official...the RRHOF will announce the nominees Tuesday, October 9th at 8 am Eastern or 5 am Pacific. The Facebook page is lighting up with ideas and ultimatums. The Guess Who have gotten a lot of love there and have had a smattering here...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 10/5/2018 @ 11:50am

Thanks , Guys. I forgot that Don Every was still with us.
THREE surviving first-year inductees it is !!

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 10/5/2018 @ 14:49pm

The Dude,

I mean I'm in agreement with that, but we know how the Rock Hall runs lol

Bill G.,
I can't think of any "low rate" R&B artist that the Hall would nominate except probably Joe Tex or Chaka. And in 2016, they nominated both Janet and Chaka (I think in 2015, they nominated Rufus).

And Janet Jackson wouldn't be correctly labeled as R&B anyway, she's R&B, dance, pop with some occasional rock.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 10/5/2018 @ 15:50pm

@K-Dawg,

I didn't know the Guess Who was getting love like that (though I'm not surprised) lol

I'm also surprised they're NOT in!

I imagine there'll be some anger if they're not nominated this year.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 10/5/2018 @ 15:54pm

Oh PLEASE, the So What have NO chance of a nomination, just like Stevie 'Goat Voice' Nicks!

#americanwomanstinkslyrically
#andmusically

Posted by Demon Seeding on Friday, 10/5/2018 @ 19:27pm

So there it is the 2019 Nominees will be announced this Tuesday, Oct. 9th. Very good.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/5/2018 @ 21:52pm

Yeah Bill G., and only two from 1987: Smokey Robinson and Mike Stoller. There is at least one snubbed member of the Coasters still alive, but all the inducted members are gone.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10/5/2018 @ 22:52pm

So, in slightly less than 3 more days, we will see the official Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominating Committee’s list. As we speculate on who will return and who will not, let’s first examine where the Rock Hall has been heading lately. Of course, each of us have our particular preferences and mine happens to be “prog” artists. According to the article, “Why the Rock Hall Says: No Rush for you!” which had been written by Tony Sclafani on March 30, 2009- “The Hall began honoring performers in 1986, starting with pioneers like Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Elvis Presley. More recently, pop acts like Billy Joel, the Bee Gees and Madonna have made the cut, but Rush, Yes, the Moody Blues, Jethro Tull, the Electric Light Orchestra, Genesis, Emerson, Lake and Palmer and Soft Machine have not. Beyond Pink Floyd, the closest the Hall gets to prog is Queen (who flirted with the genre) and Police drummer Stuart Copeland, who played in Curved Air.”

Now, let’s subtract those bands which have recently been inducted. “……… but Jethro Tull, Emerson, Lake and Palmer and Soft Machine have not.” Now I know that seeing an induction of Soft Machine and Emerson, Lake and Palmer is highly unlikely, but Jethro Tull is not, therefore I have included Jethro Tull as a likely nominee on this list. Duran Duran’s recent admission that they have always had a “progressive” side to their music, plus being the number one snub on at least one major website, also makes them a likely nominee and inductee in 2019.

01. Duran Duran
02. Jethro Tull
03. Procol Harum
04. The Zombies

Although a nomination for King Crimson may still be a few years away, a return nomination for Procol Harum would not be. What helps all three of these bands is the fact that the “holy trinity” of “prog” (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) have recently been inducted, in the exact order of my preference, i.e. Rush is my favorite band, followed closely by Yes and The Moody Blues, as well as being in Tony Sclafani’s exact order.

So, which other “prog” artists may be on this list? I think that The Zombies will once again return to the list, however I can think of only three songs which have made them immortal- ‘Time Of The Season,’ ‘She’s Not There’ and ‘Tell Her No.’ is that enough to get them inducted?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/6/2018 @ 13:37pm

Enig,

I love Jethro Tull. I didnt discuss J Tull too much the last few years due to the Crusade for Moody Blues we both had. I always felt the Moodys would be inducted first before any nominations for J Tull. I certainly think J Tull are next in line. I fell flat when I predicted ELP last year.So I am skipping them a couple of years. Procol Harum is somewhat likely to have a return nomination. But I dont feel strongly enough to Change my list. I do have the Zombies. However I am not sure we can call them Prog rock. They are too early. They pre date Days of Future Passed from the Moodys. Can You clarify that?

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10/6/2018 @ 19:17pm

Based on Michael's post from a few days ago, which I buy 100%, I've changed my 19 artists slightly.

DEPECHE MODE
RADIOHEAD
EURYTHMICS
J. GEILS BAND
JUDAS PRIEST
KATE BUSH
LINK WRAY
THE METERS
Janet Jackson
NIN
Black Flag
Warren Zevon
Pat Benatar
The Spinners
Soundgarden
Beck
Kraftwerk
Dr. Dre
Bad Company

Singles:
Stand By Me - Ben E. King
American Pie - Don McLean
Please Mr. Postman - The Marvelettes
Time of the Season - The Zombies
My Guy - Mary Wells

I feel confident in this slate. Like 15/19 confident.

Posted by Classic Rock on Saturday, 10/6/2018 @ 20:47pm

@Classic Rock that's a good list! I hope that's it lol. But the real question is... who will be inducted?? Hypothetically that is.

Posted by Michael on Saturday, 10/6/2018 @ 22:00pm

Yeah, I think Michael is right on the money, I'm readjusting my list on who I think will be nominated Tuesday:

Depeche Mode
Radiohead
Eurythmics
J. Geils Band
Judas Priest
Kate Bush
Link Wray
The Meters
Janet Jackson
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Bad Company
Eric B. & Rakim
Beck
Kraftwerk
Nine Inch Nails
Pat Benatar
Todd Rundgren
The Cure

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I don't think Chaka will get another chance this year. She (and Rufus) are gonna have to wait. If they're gonna nominate anyone R&B (and I don't list Janet as just strictly R&B, she's more of a pop artist with R&B influences), it'll be the Spinners.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/6/2018 @ 23:38pm

Not buying Michael's so-called 'theory', esp. regarding Kate Bush, Link Wray (already repped in that hideous 'singles' category), The Meters, and (hopefully) J. Geils Band...

P.S.- How about NOT fanning the flames, FRL!

Posted by Demon Seeding on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 00:16am

Timothy
I think your new Nominees List shouldn't count towards the official FRL record since it was after October 1. Otherwise, anybody could catch wind of rumors or leaks a few days before the official RRHOF Nominees announcement and adjust their list accordingly. I thought the Official Final Lists Before Oct 1. What do you think FRL regulars? KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 00:33am

Demon Seeding and King,

Yeah you're right. I didn't think of it before... then forget that last post lol

I'll make a more coherent update tomorrow or Monday lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 00:37am

I know I'm not on here often, but I'm sticking with my list. I've heard some different names, but as long as either BC or Tull is on the list and J Geils does NOT make it, I'll be relatively satisfied

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 01:06am

My nominee predictions:

Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Soundgarden
Bad Company
Black Flag
Janet Jackson
Outkast
Beck
Judas Priest
Depeche Mode
Jethro Tull
Jane's Addiction
NIN
The Spinners
The J. Geils Band
Eurythmics
Roxy Music
The Zombies
Kate Bush

Posted by Zach on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 08:43am

I am NOT changing my list at all. King is right it is after Oct. 1. The last change I made was in honor of my Dad with the Five Satins from the 50s. Death of a loved one makes you think more of their era. At this point anyone can catch rumors. SO my list is final. Rufus and the Zombies will remain on my list regardless if their pages were deleted. I don't care. It's too late.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 09:07am

I'm not sure I buy into it either. The Hall's history with their website maintenance is notoriously slipshod, often treated as an afterthought.

It wouldn't be a bad thing to take note of, but nothing I'm gonna bank on. For those who didn't read my blog, I'm keeping the same 19.

Bad Company
Beck
Dick Dale
Def Leppard
Depeche Mode
the Doobie Brothers
Foreigner
the J. Geils Band
Janet Jackson
Judas Priest
Chaka Khan
Kraftwerk
the MC5
Stevie Nicks
OutKast
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
the Spinners
the Zombies

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 10:23am

Most of the lists posted so far have neglected an early influence candidate.
There is bound to be at least one in that category.
Possibilities:
Otis Rush
Roy Brown
Clara Ward
Big Bill Broonzy
Lightnin Hopkins

Posted by Mark on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 10:51am

Other early influences possibilities
Sonny Boy Williamson
Amos Milburn
Big Mama Thornton
Johnny Ace
Percy Mayfield

Posted by Mark on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 11:12am

Actually, when I really think about it, I happen to like my original list even better. However, I have nevertheless modified it to include 3 new artists.

01. Duran Duran
02. Jethro Tull
03. The Zombies
04. Procol Harum
05. Sade
06. Carly Simon
07. Soundgarden
08. Radiohead
09. Judas Priest
10. Iron Maiden
11. Eurythmics
12. The Cure
13. LL Cool J
14. Snoop Dogg
15. Outkast
16. Beck
17. Glen Campbell
18. Cher
19. The Monkees
20. Pat Benatar
21. Stevie Nicks
22. Foreigner
23. Bad Company
24. Doobie Brothers

Other possibilities include: k.d.lang, Shania Twain, Garth Brooks, Willie Nelson, The Carpenters, Björk, Phish, Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins and Kate Bush.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 11:34am

Oops, I had forgotten Lionel Richie and Tina Turner. Many apologies.

01. Duran Duran
02. Jethro Tull
03. Procol Harum
04. The Zombies
05. Sade
06. Carly Simon
07. Doobie Brothers
08. Foreigner
09. Bad Company
10. Soundgarden
11. Radiohead
12. Judas Priest
13. Iron Maiden
14. Cher
15. The Monkees
16. Eurythmics
17. The Cure
18. Glen Campbell
19. Pat Benatar
20. Stevie Nicks
21. LL Cool J
22. Snoop Dogg
23. Outkast
24. Beck

Other possibilities include: k.d. lang, Shania Twain, Garth Brooks, Willie Nelson, Lionel Richie, Tina Turner, The Carpenters, Bjork, Phish, Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins and Kate Bush.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 12:12pm

Which Sonny Boy Williamson should be an EI? There are two of them.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 14:25pm

The Sonny Boy Williamson I referred to is the Chess Records recording artist (Rice Miller)..
And as I noted earlier, most of the lists posted here are flawed as they omit an early influence.
There is bound to be at least one.

Posted by Mark on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 14:45pm

OK, my updated list is similar to my first one (and I still believe the nominees - if there are 19 again - will mainly be '80s and '90s acts with the '60s and '70s - definitely '60s - giving the less attention):

1.) Depeche Mode
2.) Duran Duran
3.) Soundgarden
4.) Janet Jackson
5.) Radiohead (their omission from the 2018 inductions remain controversial, they can surely right this wrong)
6.) Pat Benatar
7.) Eurythmics
8.) Def Leppard
9.) The Cure
10.) The Spinners
11.) WAR
12.) Todd Rundgren (it's a personal pick and he should be in but if they do induct him, it'll probably be for M.E. = musical excellence)
13.) Kate Bush
14.) Nine Inch Nails
15.) Eric B. & Rakim (or LL Cool J or Outkast)
16.) Judas Priest
17.) Beck
18.) The Doobie Brothers
19.) The Shangri-Las

----
My list has some new names... I've taken out Chaka Khan and Rufus though they'll probably be on the ballot, if not this year, then next.

I feel they may increase the number of inductees though. Inducting just five may make sense in a technical standpoint but it's too miniscule considering how many legends have yet to be inducted.

The reason why there are only a few '60s and '70s acts on my list states how I've been feeling about the committee's picks lately. While '60s and '70s acts have made the majority of some lists the last few years, that door is closing in on any more picks from those decades as the '80s and '90s come busting in. Especially with more cutting-edge hip-hop making its way in as well (the suggestion of Outkast being nominated this year).

We have to be for real here: whatever artist they choose, it's not gonna be taken well. Induct The Cure and Smiths fans would be pissed off at while their group got left behind. Induct Def Leppard and you hear people whining "oh now they're gonna induct Motley Crue now?!" Induct Janet and a series of pop divas being inducted suddenly becomes a possibility but people would complain about how they're not "rock" as opposed to "rock and roll". Induct a series of female artists (including Janet, Kate, Pat AND Annie Lennox, etc.) in the same year, "too many women". You're gonna always have some baseless complaint.

I definitely think there will not be another prog rock group nominated this year. That goes for Jethro Tull and Procol Harum (though some argue that they don't fit the prog rock label). I think the committee is secretly rolling their eyes at the possibility of nominating another progressive rocker and they're like "we're in the '80s and '90s now, they can wait!"

The Monkees are definitely not getting in though they do have fans. Alice in Chains is a GREAT pick and they'll get nominated one year but not this one. I'd induct Judas Priest before Bad Company but I wouldn't put it past the committee to nominate both since it'll lead to some great live performances from Rob and Paul respectively.

I replaced Chaka AND Rufus with WAR as the potential funk act. The Meters are not gonna get a chance THIS YEAR and they've probably given up on it.

And again, any list that has Lionel Richie in it is not to be taken seriously. What influence did he have? He has great songs, don't get me wrong, but as far as influential and even iconic? Yeah he's iconic alright but for reasons that would make you laugh. Some acts are never gonna get in and Lionel fits the bill, sorry.

Now if Tina does get a solo nomination, I'll be happy. She's more than proven she was more than just Ike's musical partner, she was always a force to be reckoned with and succeeded regardless of the odds that were against her being a middle aged black woman so for her to become a megastar of the '80s and '90s, yeah I can see her being inducted as a solo in the future. Let's hope she's around to smell the roses if that happens. I'm guessing the Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award win opened doors for a possible solo inclusion, we'll see.

I'll post my final five (or six) inductees of the nineteen for 2019 tomorrow.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 16:20pm

Recent trends indicate that the HOF will

1. Have 19 nominations
2. Induct 5 performers
3. Induct 1 early influence, non performer, etc.

Posted by Mark on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 16:41pm

Pretty good list Timothy. I think Def Leppard and The Cure are inspired choices. Have those 2 as well. Depeche Mode should already been inducted. They have checked off all the boxes. They sell out concerts and over 100 million CD's sold around the world. It's strange they don't have a better showing in the Fan Voting or with the Rock and Roll HOF voters. Radiohead should be inducted this year but it sometimes takes great bands a couple kicks at the can to be inducted. Bad Company could benefit with little competition unless they throw a Jethro Tull or Doobie Brothers on there. One thing is certain. Paul Rodgers and Stevie Nicks (Solo) will be inducted if placed on the ballot. Praying for Procol Harum. I think they are deserving. Exemplary music. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 17:34pm

THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. DEPECHE MODE
02. RADIOHEAD
03. EURYTHMICS
04. J. GEILS BAND
05. JUDAS PRIEST
06. KATE BUSH
07. LINK WRAY
08. THE METERS
09. JANET JACKSON
10. FOREIGNER
11. THE DOOBIE BROTHERS
12. BAD COMPANY
13. JETHRO TULL
14. KING CRIMSON
15. THE SPINNERS
16. THE MONKEES
17. WILLIE NELSON
18. DIONNE WARWICK
19. CAROLE KING

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 17:38pm

Roy those are just predictions, right?

Posted by Zach on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 17:40pm

Yes! Are you the same Zach from the Digital Dream Door forum?

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 17:57pm

IMAGINE IF ALL 5 INDUCTEES INTO THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME IN 2019 ARE SOLO ACTS:

Willie Nelson
Dionne Warwick
Carole King
Tina Turner
Janet Jackson

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 18:09pm

Hoping that

Dionne Warwick
The Shangri-Las

Are finally nominated..
Both should be inducted.
Also would like the

Zombies

Be nominated again and finally inducted

Here’s hoping

Posted by Mark on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 18:17pm

No I am not.

Posted by Zach on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 18:51pm

Oh my. My post is on their twitter... this really took off lol. Thx for spreading it Future Rock Legend people.

Posted by Michael on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 19:36pm

http://www.simonandschuster.com/books/My-Love-Story/Tina-Turner/9781501198243
******************TINA T.******************
Now if Tina does get a solo nomination, I'll be happy. She's more than proven she was more than just Ike's musical partner, she was always a force to be reckoned with and succeeded regardless of the odds that were against her being a middle aged black woman so for her to become a megastar of the '80s and '90s, yeah I can see her being inducted as a solo in the future. Let's hope she's around to smell the roses if that happens. I'm guessing the Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award win opened doors for a possible solo inclusion, we'll see."

Just read today that TINA is in poor health.
She has had a bout with cancer, and a stroke, and kidney failure. In fact , her husband Erwin has donated one of HIS to help keep her alive.To make matters even WORSE , she just lost her son be suicide. That's more than ANY mother can bear.
This may be the last chance to honor her with a solo induction.

P.S.- She has a brand-new book coming out in about a week, entitled: "TINA TURNER:MY LOVE STORY".

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 19:50pm

If Link Wray or Dick Dale can’t get in as performers, put them in under musical excellence.
Hope to see that they are nominationed on Tues,

Posted by Mark on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 20:50pm

https://www.goldderby.com/article/2018/the-monkees-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-induction-2019-three-dog-night-news/

The Monkees are your favorite choice for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction in 2019

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 21:23pm

For a last minute change, I'm going to substitute Jane's Addiction for Judas Priest.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 10/7/2018 @ 23:45pm

Bill G.,

Yeah, I know. She's been going through it and then some the last five years.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 04:18am

I just want to mention my 60s choices again. A couple of you responded to my Judy Collins pick. I think it is both logical and deserved. I am not a deep folkie but she is a key name in folk music. Blood, Sweat and Tears and the Zombies both make sense. There are only a few 60s acts on my list. The door is starting to close on this era but it is not over for the 60s in the Hall. There has been a steady flow of at least 3 or 4 60s acts the last few years. Blood,Sweat & Tears helped innovate Jazz rock in the late 60s. They were originally led by Al Kooper to show off some knowledge. The Zombies have been nominated a few times. There is no reason they can't be nominated again.

I agree with Timothy that the Monkees are not getting through for a nomination. I had the Monkees on my list a few months ago but deleted them. They were in fact a made for TV group. Maybe sometime they will be nominated but NOT this year.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 07:23am

Bill
It is really a shame that you can not stand up to a 60 year old woman on your own. This is what a man would do.

Instead you need to cover yourself with a bully squad. This is what a little boy would do because they were wrong and can not own up to it.

r&b is not a subset of r&r. I have related the story of how I once had a conversation with a person while waiting for a bus where thy pointed out that most rock groups were white, most r&b groups were black and that most blues groups were mixed. This person was trying point out that it all came from the blues. 2 different genres. NOW SINCE RACE AND SEX SEEMS TO MATTER SO MUCH TO YOU - the person who told me this was a black man. Obviously you are not color blind. This is called being racist.

Now about your complaints about not enough r&b artist. There have been more than country artist.

If you think songs came from only r&b artist guess again. Go look at who was covering Mel Tillis.

JJ has been nominated and rejected twice and the Spinners 3 rimes.

Shame on you for letting your bully squad trash talk Chaka Khan. The main thing that is hurting her and Rufus is the hall not nominating acts connected to or from Chicago. She has a gap with connections but picks up again. Just look at who she has work3d with.

low class r&b

Ike Turner
Jsmes Brown
Diana Ross

The Spinners have a 60s sound for the 70s
Gene Chandlier was a 1 hit wonder. The voting body does not want any more. He might be a good pick for the singles category

Dionne Warwick and Barry White - maybe? but they do deserve a chance to face their peers.

5th Dimension - all these vocal groups begin to sound the same. Marylin McCoo sets them apart from the pack

Roberta Flack

Minnie Ripeton - They might get luck and her daughter, Maya Rudolph will pick up her award.

How were you brought up that disrespecting women was okay, especially one old enough to be your mother or grandmother.

I was there. You obviously were not. Brick house and Three Times a Lady were played at discos. Whether you like or not the Commodores were considered disco. Rufus came earlier and was considered funk.

disco does not do well with the voters

I know what the problem is with some people regarding Lionel Ritchie. It has to do with what he said about writing with michael Jackson. So the Jackson family has to be scum and discredit him.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 10:26am

I just want to say a few last things before the Announcement of the actual nominees. I do not think the Door is Closing on 70s acts. Someone, Timothy I think said the door is closing on 60s and 70s acts. I say for the 60s Yes But not the 70s. There is all these 70s acts like Bad Company, Jethro Tull, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, King Crimson, Little Feat, T. Rex,

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 12:07pm

The door is going to close on the Brits. Little Feat - Who are they to even be considered.

Too much Brits and too much 80s. Close down on the 80s with one or two exceptions.

The 60s done?

DO NOT FORGERT

Peter Paul and Mary
Kingston Trio
Chubby Checker
Tommy James and the Shondells

Ben

You guys have got to stop pushing third rate Brits. Let's actually get the real deal 70s in.

Little Feat - are you kidding?

Enough with the jokes. Take a good look at who matters not this bs,

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 12:27pm

DO NOT FORGET

Patsy Cline

DO NOT FORGET COUNTRY

O NOT FORGET FOLK

The Carter Family is way overlookd

We waited over 20 years for Chicago. We are not waiting another 20 for the Guess Who, BTO,REO and Styx. Stop with bringing up people who did not make much of an impact. Yes that means the Brits. This is long past getting old. Stop with the joke ideas. Put in the people who deserve recognition.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 12:39pm

@Zuzu Hate to say it but, 80's bands are going to stick around for a while. At this point, i'm pretty sure Chubby Checker could be considered an Early Influence. Also, what's a third-rate Brit? I'm genuinely confused by that.

Posted by Michael on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 12:49pm

Michael

Talk to me wh4en you grow up and can read.

The is thee Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

It is not gee me music and it is not gen waI want it now music

How could anybody be ignorant of the fact that Chubby Checker is a Rock and Roll Icon. The 80s were the worst decade for music. It is passe. It is time to say good by to this crap and put in some good old fashioned rock. forget about the wannabes. They just stunk up the place.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 12:59pm

@Zuzu There's TONS of Brits who have made an impact in music. Joy Division, The Cure, Radiohead, Depeche Mode, e.t.c. I'm also pretty sure the door will stay open for 80's bands longer than you think. People want to vote bands they know, not actual underrated bands. That's why Bon Jovi got in. That band is pure garbage, but people voted because they probably just heard Wanted Dead Or Alive on the radio. 90's bands are also going to linger around for a long time too. Maybe if you're lucky, Guess Who and Carter Family will get in as Early Influences lol.

Posted by Michael on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 13:03pm

@Zuzu "Talk to me wh4en you grow up and can read?" "The is thee Rock and Roll hall of fame?" "It is not gee me music and it is not gen wal want it now music?" Sounds like YOU need to learn how to read AND spell in my opinion.

Posted by Michael on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 13:08pm

I did say I was gonna post my "should be" and "would be" list of inductees but I'm gonna wait after Tuesday morning. I have a feeling Tuesday is gonna either be a great day for some inductee wishers and a horrible day for others, there is no in-between when it comes to the Rock Hall.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 13:17pm

Ben,

Yeah that was me. I have to clarify, I don't think the door is closing for the '70s acts since there are lots of acts that should have been in there that still have a good chance but for the '60s, yeah that door is closing. I can only see them inducting bands and groups from the era. I think it's too late for solo '60s acts like Dionne Warwick and Patsy Cline (as a performer; but she'll likely be in as an "early influence" but it depends on how they plan to induct Willie Nelson) and we can forget Chubby Checker, he was never serious enough for the committee and never will be.

BUT I do think there's a chance for '60s groups, especially girl groups (Shangri-Las) and pre-metal bands (Steppenwolf) to get in but they need to hurry up because as the years will go on, you're gonna hear less and less of any act that came out between 1960 and 1965. Knowing the Hall though, they have picked some random '60s name out of the hat. Like I was stunned to see Darlene Love's name there and even more stunned when she got in but she always said there were politics involved with why it took her a long time to get on (Phil Spector connection).

But I think as time goes on, you'll see more '70s, '80s and '90s names popping up. The '60s acts will get the same treatment that acts in the '50s who have not been in are getting (reckon if there is any more '50s acts left to induct save for the Chantels).

But no I don't think the door is closed on the '70s at all. Not by a long shot.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 13:23pm

Funny thing is, we're a few years from 2025. Soon the 2000's acts will be eligible. Will Beyoncé make it in before 100 other deserving women?

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 13:31pm

I'm not going to get in to the petty disrespecting of each other over musical opinions - but I do want to step in to voice my support for one of my most favorite bands: Little Feat.

Outstanding songs, outstanding musicians. To call them a "joke" to me shows just pure musical ignorance. They were not pop hitmakers; but they were one of the absolute best live bands of the 1970s who have wound up being very influential on bands playing the modern festival circuit.

Let's put it this way, following are the musicians who are already in the Rock Hall Of Fame, who thought highly enough of Little Feat to cover their music.:

Gregg Allman
Jackson Browne
The Byrds
Bob Dylan
Bonnie Raitt
Linda Ronstadt
John Sebastion of the Lovin Spoonful
Bob Segar
Mick Taylor of The Rolling Stones
Van Halen
Joe Walsh of The Eagles
Bob Weir and Phil Lesh of The Grateful Dead

Zuzu - you have spoken at length here about your support for REO, who certainly have a much better track record on the pop charts than Little Feat, and sold many more albums. But let me ask this: has *any* Rock and Roll Hall Of Famer ever bothered to cover even one of their songs? not that I know of!

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 13:33pm

No offense at all intended towards Zuzu, but she speaks more like a fan than a music historian when it comes to who she wants to see inducted. Her generation of music obviously is the 60s. While I grew up in the 80s and 90s, I enjoy music from all eras and genres. When I say the 60s are coming to an end, I mean acts like Tommy James, Patsy Cline, and Chubby Checker and into the 70s with BTO, Styx, the Guess Who, among others, while possibly deserving, just don't have the staying power that others do. The 80s are not dead; on the contrary, they have only begun to cherry pick and not really get the more artistic acts, such as Depeche Mode and Duran Duran. The 90s are upon us, and they are also going to have some major contributions. We can't just have it be the Woodstock/Golden Oldie Hall of Fame. There are more deserving 60s acts, but you can't please everyone.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 13:53pm

K-Dawg,

I WOULD hope Pat, Kate, Stevie Nicks, Annie Lennox , Whitney, Chaka Khan and Cyndi Lauper (let's NOT forget her!) would get in before Beyonce (and I say this because I AM sure Janet will get in next year! LOL)

Fun fact: today FRL has stated that the Rock Hall has deleted all of the 2018 nominees except for the J. Geils Band (for some reason).

OK, I got a serious question but why is there SUCH a push for J. Geils??? I kinda got it about Paul Butterfield but J. Geils? I loved "Love Stinks", "Centerfold" and "Freeze Frame" but...I don't get it lol

I'm not trying to start anything but they seem to fit the "cult favorite" narrative of the Hall? Not that I have anything against them being nominated/inducted, just wondering.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 14:03pm

@ Tim

J .Geils is one of Jann Wenner’s favorites; that’s why they were nominated a few times. But yeah, I don’t see them as Hall material either.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 14:38pm

Little Steven is a big J Geils fan as well, and he seems to be pretty influential on the nominating committee, though less successful with the main voting block.

I'm pretty excited about tomorrow - Nominations day is the best part of the HOF calendar - it's the one day we usually get some actual interesting surprises. Inductee announcements have much fewer curve balls, and the actual ceremonies have sadly become more controversy causing than the nominations process.

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 14:51pm

I don't really grasp this "door is closing on the 60s acts" argument. The Hall's nominating committee has been pretty obsessed with 60s related acts since the beginning. That will continue for at least the next decade. The "quality" of artist may go down, but they are still going to take spots away from the most deserving of 80s, 90s, and eventually 00s acts. That is the committee's main issue.

As a die hard fan of Tina Turner, I truly hope she does not get the nomination this year as a solo act. She will by sheer presence shoot down Janet Jackson's ability to get inducted. I thought in the 1990s they should have inducted Turner twice. I thought in the 2000s they would have brought her in just as a headliner. Her health isn't wonderful by any means, but she is actually doing quite well at the moment.

Zuzu,

Calling any decade of music superior to another is a misguided point. One usually made by teenagers. Adult listeners are often nostalgic, but largely lose fanatic obsession with artists. Those fanatics tend to argue like they are not biased, as they show you their trophy room of the band America's memorabilia. Nostalgia always creeps in as we age, but people who actually enjoy music tend to see the merit of all decades of a genre.

As a side note. Ethel Merman was ironically played in many clubs in the late 70s NYC scene. Usually ironically. She must he a Disco act, that 50 odd years she spent on Broadway doesn't matter

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 15:01pm

Chris,

Yeah Tina is not healthy as an ox but she's been coping real well and it seems she's been back on her feet as someone close to 80 would. A true survivor. But yeah a Hall of Fame nomination this year for solo Tina would definitely harm Janet's chances and many predict Janet will be nominated this year anyway.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 15:35pm

@The Dude and Shrek,

Ah OK. I get Steven wanting them in but Jann? Jann has a bit of a bias and always has. If anything, he should get off the committee. But he probably won't unless he "gets his men" in lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 15:37pm

Timothy,

Plus Tina has that whole possible Broadway show run coming out next year. Hopefully they just hand it over to her then. Because if nominated as a solo act, she is a shoe in for a second induction. The more interesting mix, and a performer of the same age, would be Diana Ross for her solo career. She was played in Disco clubs of the 1970s however. So "some" may frown upon it.

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 15:43pm

J.Geils Band's page still ebing up makes me think the class will be 18 newcomers and them.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 15:48pm

Ugh...Centerfold is such an earworm, I'm glad I rarely listen to terrestrial radio any more because it got played to death...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 15:52pm

@ Tim

Jann’s attitude is kind of funky and cartoonish; he’s like a character from the Simpsons. He may not like certain bands who are in the hall, but the dude still cares about his favorites more than the general public’s including J. Geils. Jann also wants Foreignor in cause Mick Jones is one of his friends, which won’t bother me at all; that would actually increase more possibilities for King Crimson to get an induction.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 15:53pm

Jann Wenner actually has not been on the nominating committee in a few years. Still on the Museum board, and obviously has the ear of people who are on the committee, but no longer actually doing any nominations

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 16:09pm

Shrek

Who is Little Feat compared to the likes of

Patsy Cline
Willie Nelson
Kris Kristofferson
Waylon Jennings
First Edition
Dottie West - by the way is that the same Joe Walsh that hung out and jammed at Dotties. He never did that with Little Feat

Kenny Rogers - discovered and helped Don Henley get his start. Little Feat did not do tht for anyone.

Steve Goodman is actually more comparable and look who he is connected with. I made up a list under his name. A much more impressive list


REO

developed a music style - Little Feat did no such ting

look at Van Halen -they are a REO knock-off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAcwFYHbpI0

On a special no less - did Little Feat ever have that?

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 16:31pm

Chris,

Let me know when you learn to read. The sign says Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It does not say gen me or gen waa I want it now. When you kids come up with your own hall you can do whatever you want. Just remember which generations music it is. That is why our music has priority. It was started by my generation because our parents did not get our music. Your generation is always free to do the same.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 16:39pm

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/statistics.php

THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES BASED ON FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS VOTING STATISTICS

01. Janet Jackson
02. Whitney Houston
03. Depeche Mode
04. Devo
05. Jethro Tull
06. Radiohead
07. Blink-182

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 16:49pm

Shrek

add

Jerry Reed
Emmylou Harris

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 16:49pm

@Zuzu geez why are you being so rude? That's little kid behavior. Everyone's allowed to have an opinion.

Posted by Michael on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 17:09pm

The Dude,

Funny that that's always been my description of Jann too lmao so it's fitting.

Shrek,

Oh OK. That's good then. Because imagine if he was still on the committee! Wasn't it through him that Percy Sledge got in? I'm still scratching my head over that one.

DGMW, he had some great tunes but he never screamed Rock Hall inductee lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 17:40pm

Michael,

Zuzu thinks Helen Reddy and Lionel Richie should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame lol

And he's mad no one agrees with him so of course he's going on a rampage.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 17:44pm

Michael,

Rude and little kid behavior is several people ganging up on a 60n year old woman, calling hr a guy as if sh was one of your little friends. Now back off and I will talk to one person and not a gang of people. Sorry but opinion does not stand up against fact. So you and your little friends need to stop being rude.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 17:46pm

Chris F.,

Yeah Tina definitely will be a shoo-in for a solo induction if they consider her. I think she'll be around another 5 years so if she's passed over for this year, they could bring her in for 2020. Of course, maybe the reason they hadn't inducted her solo yet was because she was always in Europe but Curtis Mayfield accepted his induction via satellite prior to his death (and Tina accepted her Lifetime Achievement Grammy via satellite) so they can still induct her that way.

They would have to get someone to perform her numbers though if she does get inducted on her own one day.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 17:50pm

Michael,

See what I mean. Now imagine if I called the bunch of you little girls. There is a way to disagree with a 60 year old woman and still not disrespect them. Acting s if you know more about a time when they were a teen or young adult is not one of those ways.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 17:57pm

Zuzu,

I learned to read several decades ago. I also acquired the ability to discuss ideas in a public setting shortly after. A basic rule of that is omitting unnecessary snide remarks. They tend to cloud up any sound argument one may have.

The Rock'n'Roll definition has been settled. Move on from it. Specifically when it comes to the Hall, a body of musicians, critics, and historians all defining it for you to opine over. If you do not care for that definition, why even discuss the topic? The boundaries have been set. For decades.

I will not lie. I highly doubt anything I have read you write about your personal back story here. Even if your age were true, you still are sitting a generation behind on the creation of the genre. The Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino sounds established the concept that a talented next generation moved forward. That excellence has continued through each decade after. Not skipping a beat, and mostly staying in tune. Most music fans of a certain maturity level understand that. Furthermore I can not grasp why you adhere to this concept that you are talking to a group of people under 40. It is the Rock Hall. That brings out a diverse group of ages across the board.

While I doubt your honesty. I do respect your opinion. I just wish you could stick to the meat of it. I too love Helen Reddy. I doubt she has a chance in getting nominated ever. And even then Anne Murray is still in her way. The Hall could always use another Australian though.

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 18:26pm

Timothy,

The list of people ready to pay tribute to Tina would be pretty long. You could just toss Elton John, Cher, and Bette Midler on stage and wrap it up with Jagger or Bonnie Raitt closing out the set.

Look we have helped the Hall already plan part of their 2020 ceremony.

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 18:35pm

Chris

I was talkimg to Michael, so why are you answering for him


Michael,

Why do not answer for yourself and why do you need a group to back you?

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 18:41pm

Zuzu,

I was responding directly to your comment left with my name on it.

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 18:44pm

@Zuzu holy moly, do you assume!! I'm not part of a "group" at all! Here's a fun fact: Did you know that not everybody has to be on their phone all the time? It's true! I'm sorry if I apparently needed to reply in under 2 seconds. That's little kid behavior right there.

Posted by Michael on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 18:53pm

How many people are you? Aren't you the ones with a single ip address?

Same speech patterns

Speak for each other

Three card monty behavior

Same rude little boy behavior

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 19:03pm

Can we stop arguing and get back to predicting please?

Posted by Zach on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 19:11pm

I wouldn't pay attention to Zuzu.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 19:27pm

Chris,

Yeah Tina's got a who's who of people willing to pay tribute to her.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 19:35pm

Thought I'd try something a little different here- predicting the nominees based on a 'points' scale, where you pick who you think will be the 24 most likely eligible act to be nominated, in descending order; the act you think is most like to get nominated gets 24 points (if correct), all the way down to #24 (1 point)...

A 'perfect' score would be 300 points total (like bowling); though if only 19 are nominated (ala the last 2 years), the best possible score would be 279 (still not too bad). So let's see...


Radiohead (24)
OutKast (23)
Eurythmics (22)
Janet Jackson (21)
Beck (20)
The Doobie Brothers (19)
Rage Against the Machine (18)
Judas Priest (17)
LL Cool J (16)
The Zombies (15)
Roxy Music (14)
Nine Inch Nails (13)
Soundgarden (12)
Pat Benatar (11)
Pixies (10)
Phil Collins (9)
The Spinners (8)
The Cure (7)
Warren Zevon (6)
The B-52's (5)
Bad Company (4)
A Tribe Called Quest (3)
Jethro Tull (2)
Tori Amos (1)

Posted by EDS on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 19:40pm

Roy,

That wouldn't be a bad class :-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 20:09pm

Ugh, I'm glad the announcement is tomorrow, but 5AM here on the West Coast? I'm not even awake yet! Ah well. Ready to find out.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 22:23pm

Phil Collins
The Doobie Brothers
Foreigner
The J. Geils Band
The Spinners
The Zombies
Jethro Tull
Eurythmics
Kraftwerk
Depeche Mode
Todd Rundgren
Judy Collins
Judas Priest
The Clovers
Janet Jackson
Snoop Dogg
Beck
Radiohead
Soundgarden

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Monday, 10/8/2018 @ 23:15pm

Rick V
Great list of Nominees for the 2018-2019 cycle but this list has been submitted after Sept 30th and October 1st cutoff. I think it should be considered too late.
EDS
Love the point system idea. I will definitely use it next year's cycle. Only a few hours until the nominees list reveal. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 00:00am

My predictions from my blog I posted a few weeks ago. Not making any changes to the predictions.


Bad Company
Beck
Big Star
Blue Oyster Cult
Dead Kennedys
Def Leppard
Dick Dale
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
Janet Jackson
Joe Tex
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
L.L. Cool J.
Patsy Cline
Radiohead
Rufus feat. Chaka Khan
Soundgarden
Stevie Nicks
War
The Zombies


Yes, I'm predicting they up the amount of artists on the ballot to 21.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 00:52am