The 2012 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

The 2012 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees were announced on December 7th, 2011.


Early Influence:

  • Freddie King (nominated as a Performer, but inducted as an Early Influence)


Musical Excellence:

Performers named by special committee on February 9th, 2012:

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It looks like based on the leaked information, here are the 2012 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees:
* Guns N' Roses
* Red Hot Chili Peppers
* Beastie Boys
* Donovan
* Laura Nyro

Early Influence:
* Freddie King (nominated in the Performer category, but inducted here)

* Don Kirshner

Musical Excellence:
* Tom Dowd

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 18:55pm

I can't complain about that class. Granted Laura Nyro is a bit dodgy in the performer category and I'd rather see the Cure than RHCP, but I figure they'll have to pay their dues on the ballot for a couple years. All in all, any class that isn't dominated by B-list boomer nostalgia acts is good with me.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 19:29pm

Assuming the leak is accurate, I like it (mostly). If you dropped Laura Nyro and put in The Cure instead, that would be almost perfect.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 19:45pm

I thought the Women In Rock exhibit was supposed to generate an inductee or 2. Guess not. Happy for Donovan though.

Posted by classicrocker on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 19:54pm

I did not expect that AT ALL. I didn't think they'd have the courage to go w/Guns, the Chili's, & the Beasties all in the same class.

Perhaps this is a sign that things are changing at the Voting Committee. It may not be immediate, but give it a yr. or two, and I think the walls may start coming down on some acts that have been held out for a long time. I think a diff. point of view regarding rock is being disseminated w/in this voting group.

It'll never be what it could've been, but then again it was more of a private club to begin with.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 19:59pm

Interestingly enough, the Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses and Red Hot Chili Peppers had the three highest induction chances of any eligible artists on this site.

Also, Beasties and GNR were the only two artists nominated from Rolling Stone's Top 100 artists list.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 20:13pm

classicrocker - Did it generate Laura Nyro?

If this is true, I am really happy about Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers and the Beastie Boys getting inducted. This is one biggest inducted classes in a long time. Not a huge fan, but I am happy for Donovan. Still don't understand the huge support for Laura Nyro.

Don't like the fact that they switched Freddie King to the Early Influence category after getting nominated in the Performers category (a la Wanda Jackson). Good for him to still get recognized though. Lastly great to see Tom Dowd and Don Kirshner get inducted. I wonder if Kirshner's induction will help open the door for The Monkees.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 20:24pm

Yeah, there's something not right about Freddie King getting in through the back door like Wanda Jackson did.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 20:28pm

If the leak is true then the only one I think that doesn't deserve it is Nyro. I never thought GNR was first ballot material but their induction always seemed inevitable. I understand the Beastie Boys and I'm happy for Donovan. I don't have any strong feelings regarding RHCPs. Disappointed about the Cure: good band.

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 20:49pm

Bah, totally sucks that they did the back door thing with Freddie King. On the other hand, it looks like this is what we wanted when we did our Revisited/Projected thing. There's no way we'd have ever gotten Freddie into the Performer category. We definitely would have stuck him in the Influence category. I guess with him getting in as EI, I can call myself 2.5/5. Yeah, I'm going to do that. Don't like it? Tough.

What I don't particularly care for though is the lack of "Early". It seems like it really is sliding the timeline to make the Beatles the beginning of rock and roll and not the '50s. Also pissed because this was the best chance ever to get Sister Rosetta Tharpe inducted. Now it may never happen. Way to jilt this category again, Rock Hall.

But yay for Kirschner. I think Neil Diamond's induction last year open the door for him, but this is one I didn't think would ever come. And good for Tom Dowd, too, though this now puts and even more quizzical spin on what "Musical Excellence" means. I'm REALLY hoping this means that the category is being used more as a Lifetime Achievement category, rather than a mere renaming of the Side-Man category. If so, then Dowd truly deserves that honor here.

As for the Performers, as I said, I'm calling myself 2.5/5 because of the King back door induction. I feel pretty proud being one of the few to officially predict Laura Nyro getting in this time, too. While I didn't predict Donovan or the Beastie Boys, I'm glad they made it because I really like both of them (and had predicted both of them to make it last year... I was in the right place, but it must have been the wrong time, lol). RHCP... they deserve it. I hate their music, but they do deserve the nod. Congrats all around to them.

Other than Tharpe missing out, I'm most bummed about the Spinners. I really love them, and unlike GnR, they weren't a lock. I was really hoping we'd get the soul nod this year, but alas and alack, no such luck.

And now look for the Race Card Drivers to start claiming racism in the votes, since all of this class except King are Caucasian. Bring it on, asshats.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 21:07pm

I think I'll wait to see the official list from the Rock Hall. I find it hard to believe that they didn't induct a minority in our political correct world.

Posted by Paul on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 21:11pm

Don Kirshner joins the small crowd that's enshrined in Cleveland but were never inducted here in Rock Hall Revisited/Projected.

1. Moonglows - 2000
2. Dells - 2004
3. Percy Sledge - 2005
4. Wanda Jackson (Early Influence) - 2009
5. Art Rupe (Non-Performer) - 2011
6. Don Kirshner (Non-Performer) - 2012

We knocked out seven other snubs if you count the remaining inductees from 2012, so progress was made yet again.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 21:16pm

Like several others, I'm most disappointed about The Cure. (Assuming this leak is true), I can't stand the fact that Laura Nyro is being inducted. From what it sounds like, she's a huge influence on female singer/songwriters, but I don't feel like she was in the top five choices here whatsoever. Rufus with Chaka Khan was the only inductee who never deserves to be inducted whatsoever, so I'm glad Nyro was chosen instead, but she's my second-to-last pick.The Cure would have been ideal instead, but Heart and Donna Summer are past-due alternative female inductees.

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 21:55pm

The leaked information does seem legitimate. On my accord, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has conjured up a rather decent and commendable class for 2012; led, of course, by Guns N' Roses. Now all attention will be focused on if Axl Rose will re-unite with Slash, Izzy Stradlin, Duff McKagen, and either Matt Sorum or Steven Adler. I am willing to predict that this will not happen. Heck, I doubt many of the GNR alumni will show up. If Axl and co. (current or previous) show up, expect a long night at the induction ceremony. Not to mention a long wait.

I am pleased that Laura Nyro, Freddie King, and Tom Dowd have gotten inducted: albeit posthumously. Although I do think Dowd and/or Nyro could have easily been inducted as Non-Performers; a distinction bestowed upon the 2 in the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project.

Donovan is an ingenous choice, and I would haope this leads listeners among younger people to have a look at Donovan's singing and songwriting. Many of the commenters in that New York Times piece listed on the front page truly do not know what good songs and albums there are if only they had the ears to attentively listen. Getting back to Donovan, I am pleased the British Isles are getting representation again in what is primarily an American art form.

I agree with Gassman that inducting Guns N' Roses along with Red Hot Chili Peppers and Beastie Boys in the same year is a wonderous sign of hopefully getting unique and interesting artists to get the RRHOF seal of approval. Maybe this will bode well for future inductions. Equally glad that the alternative/hard rock/hip hop scenes are being given recognition.

Honestly, I am not too sold on inducting Don Kirshner. This might be because it for me appears as a consolitary honor for someone who died earlier this year. Indeed, Kirshner lived a good life: bringing artists such as Neil Diamond and The Monkees to the forefront of pop psychadelia and standards is nothing to frown upon. In addition, "Rock Concert" innovated the live music for home viewing concept, which was rather minimal at the time. However, I could think of several non-performers more worthy of induction than Don Kirshner. Quincy Jones, as always, comes to mind.

Those are my initial thoughts on the Class of 2012. Fortunately, 7 out of 8 inductees were inducted into our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project before the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame sought to induct these individuals and groups. This proves beyond all doubt the validity and influence of this website; moreso than other like minded sites, perhaps. I of course look forward to contemplating 2013 inductees in the near future. Right now, my 5 Performers category predictions for induction are Peter Gabriel, Public Enemy, the Pixies, Soundgarden and Donna Summer. Hopefully more than 5 get in next time out. yet again, the RRHOF certainly is a lot better in choosing inductees than other Halls of Fame. On a side note, congradulations to the surviving family of Ron Santo for his posthumous Baseball Hall of Fame induction. Albeit only 1 of 4 predicted inductees came to pass.

November Rain turns into December Flush,


Posted by Lax28 on Tuesday, 12.6.11 @ 22:01pm

Well I honestly wasn't expecting Donovan and Laura Nyro. Not too convinced on Nyro, but I'm pleasantly surprised with Donovan's induction.

As for the predictions, it appears I got 3/5 right (GNR, RHCP and the Beastie Boys) even though I had some doubts with RHCP and the Beasties towards the end there. Since I also predicted Freddie King in the Performer category but he got in as an influence, I'm going to go with Philip's route and give myself a 0.5 there for 3.5/5. Not too shabby.

Really surprised Heart didn't make it in as I was expecting the Women Who Rock exhibit to have sealed the deal for them. Not disappointed though, as I'm hardly a Heart fan. My only big disappointment here is that the Cure has been snubbed but I really wasn't expecting them to get in on first nomination.

It seems really surprising they had an opportunity to acknowledge Rod Stewart who they love and didn't. This probably has to do with the controversy about the joint nomination for The Small Faces/The Faces.

Nice to see putting two rap acts on the ballot hasn't split the voting for once, 25 year anniversary of Licensed to Ill has sealed the deal for the Beasties.

I was sort of hoping to see War in even though I didn't predict them, it didn't happen but perhaps soon enough.

I'm also disappointed they pulled a Wanda on us and inducted Freddie King as an early influence even though he was nominated as a performer, but as long as he's recognized I'm happy.

Don Kirshner, good for him. There are others I'd like to see get the nod (and would have liked to see more than 1 inductee in this category this year), but Mr. Kirshner is deserving. We'll see if this opens the door for the Monkees.

I'm more than ecstatic with Tom Dowd's induction but feel he should have been inducted in the Non-Performer category. It seems they have merged the sideman and Lifetime Achievement categories together and named it "The Award for Musical Excellence." Can't say I agree with the Hall's inconsistency here, but as long as Tom Dowd gets recognized somehow I'm happy.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 02:36am

This changes everything! Here it also says the Small Faces/the Faces have been inducted, this means 6 inductees!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 04:42am

Steve Marriott finally gets his respect but alas he's not here to smell the roses. Thanks a lot Rock & Roll Hall of Fame... but I bet they only inducted them just so Rod Stewart can try to mingle again. Also it means Ron Wood is a two-time Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductee...

Posted by Tim on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 04:47am

And hear it says Cosimo Matassa and Glyn Johns have also been inducted along with Tom Dowd in the "Musical Excellence" category!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 05:03am

That should be here not hear!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 05:04am

This makes Cosimo Matassa another artist we recognized at Revisited/Project before Cleveland.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 05:09am

Another article on Matassa and the 2012 induction.

Sorry for flooding this page with news articles, this is the last one, I promise!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 05:13am

Man, there have been surprises all night. I went to bed around 5 pm yesterday afternoon and woke up to find out that GNR, the Beastie Boys, RHCP, Donovan, and Laura Nyro were going in as Performers, Freddie King as an Early Influence, Tom Dowd in the Music Excellence, and Don Kirschner in the Non-Performers. I go to bed again for a few more hours. Now I wake up to find the Small Faces/Faces are making history and becoming the 6th inductee, the first time the Hall has inducted more than 5 artists since 2004. In addition Glyn Johns and Cosimo Matassa in the Musical Excellence. What else is gonna happen over the next few hours? This is exciting!!

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 05:43am

Nice. Good class. We knew GNR was going in, but everything else was a toss-up. I became a bit hesitant about RHCP and The Beasties on the same ballot because they could've cancelled each other out; glad they didn't. Dissapointed The Cure didn't make it, but this one was pretty stacked, and they'll eventually get in. I'm still not convinced about Laura Nyro, and they have once again cheated with Freddie King. Early Influence is supposed to be people who had a major impact on rock but also predated it; I checked, and King's first single was released in 1956. Cheap. Also, yet another posthumous induction; Don Kirshner deserves it, but why couldn't he have gotten it before he died?

Still, solid class and little else to complain about. I'll have more analysis later.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 05:46am

Rolling Stone's website is now reporting all of the inductees, which all of the above articles confirm....

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 05:46am

A few thoughts:

1.) Happy for Beasties, Chilis and GNR. That sucks for Heart, Donna Summer and The Cure though.

2.) Meh about Donovan and Nyro. They sure love their songwriters but I would've preferred if they got around to Warren Zevon and Cat Stevens for the men and Carole King (as a performer) and Carly Simon for the women instead.

3.) NOT happy about Small Faces/Face. After years of having a consistent 5 they sneak in a random 6th induction. It seems like they just stuck that induction to appease Rod and Wood. urgggh. And yet The Zombies comntinue waiting.

4.) On the plus side, I guess this is a plus to get Joy Division/New Order (I'd rather see them in together than not in at all). Also, I hope this "6th" inductee leads them to be more fluid on the number of inductees in the future.

5.) Beyond thrilled that Tom Dowd and Cossimo Matassa are being inducted. BUT why the hell are they in the Musical Excellence category and not in Non-Performers (Ahmet Ertegun) where they are more apt. Oh well, as long as they're in, I consider them to be NPs. LONG OVERDUE for both.

6.) I guess the sidemen category is well and truly screwed. just like the early influence category, which brings me to point...

7.) THE BIGGEST WTF of the year. Ok, they sneak in a backdoor early influence induction for Freddie King (why not Chuck Willis last year as well who actually had a claim to be pre-rock) but this is the perfect way to also induct ROSETTA THARPE. There is absolutely no logical reason she was left out. They pimped her all year long with the women who rock exhibit (who only has Laura Nyro, what a badass, as a representative this year) as well as showing her documentary, and had a blog post about questioning why she wasn't at the hall already. She was probably the biggest lock of the year. This sis so stupida and illogical. I mean seriously!

Ranting and raving over. Bring on Public Enemy next year!

Posted by rockstar23 on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 05:59am

rockstar - completely agree on Rosetta Tharpe and good point on Chuck Willis.

Also, regarding the Small Faces/the Faces, I'm just hoping this means they'll get to the Zombies and the Spencer Davis Group next.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 06:04am

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame just posted the inductees on Facebook, and they now have it up on their website. Who wants to go to Cleveland for the ceremony? I do!!!

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 06:14am

For some reason, I'm not all that bothered that Freddie King is going in as an "Early Influence." I agree that he was a part of the rock and roll era and should thus, in theory, go in as a "Performer," but he was a blues musician a genre that is technically "outside of rock and roll." Blues was a genre that pre-dated and influenced rock and roll music, so I can somewhat see it. Wanda Jackson on the other hand was pure rock and roll at the same time that Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, and the Everly Brothers were around. How can she be an "Early Influence?" That's the dumbest thing the Hall has ever done in my book besides not inducting the Miracles with Smokey Robinson back in 1987.

As for lumping the Small Faces and the Faces, I kind of disagree with it as well, but again, I'm not as bothered as I probably should be. I'm not a huge fan of either band (I don't dislike them, I just haven't listened to them too much), so it doesn't really bother me that they're both going in. Plus their sounds aren't really all that different, and their careers kind of just blended together when you think about it. Unlike Joy Division and New Order who had two different styles and two truely separate careers.

However, now that the Small Faces and the Faces have been inducted together as well as Parliament and Funkadelic (who should've been), this does make for a high possibility that if New Order and Joy Division are ever inducted, they will be inducted together. That I would have a problem with, although I would be glad just to see them inducted. And the good thing about joint inductions is that it leaves room for other acts to be inducted. If the Faces/Small Faces hadn't been put together we would only have four other inductees instead of five.

As for the complaint about the Hall breaking their pattern and going with 6 inductees and not 5. Screw that!!! That's a good thing. The Hall should've stuck with 7-8 inductees like they did through most of their history. I hope the Hall goes back to that.

My guess is that there might've been a tie for the final 5th spot, so the Hall just decided to go with 6 inductees, which was the right thing to do if that was the case. Or, politics played a hand and the Hall didn't want to leave out the Small Faces/Faces and/or Laura Nyro, so they chose to have 6 inductees so both could make the ballot (I get the feeling that Guns N' Roses, the Beastie Boys, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers led the ballots).

And Freddie King got in as an Early Influence to ensure that the class wasn't all white which would bring forth cries of racism to the Hall of Fame. That's my opinion.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 06:34am

So why did Wanda Jackson and Freddie King get the early influence treatment, but not Chuck Willis?

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 06:39am

The 2012 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

Beastie Boys
Guns N' Roses
Laura Nyro
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Small Faces/The Faces
Freddie King
Cosimo Matassa
Glyn Johns
Tom Dowd
Don Kirshner

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 06:41am

A few more thoughts:

I REALLY hope The Cure returns next year. Same as Heart (not really a big fan, but I really think they should be in the Hall). Summer should deservedly be on the ballot again and I'm betting that the nominating committee won't be giving up on The Spinners either.

I'm assuming Eric B. & Rakim and Rufus w/ Chaka probably got the lowest votes and are not poised to return any time soon.

I really hope they only put Public Enemy on the ballot next year and leave NWA till 2014. If both are on the ballot, I think Public Enemy may be deprived of a deserved first-ballot induction.

Now that Donovan and Nyro are in, who are going to be the next singer-songwriters the Hall will try to get in? Warren Zevon seems the likeliest fit.

I hope Freddie King's induction early influence induction won't be a one off like Wanda's seemed to be. I really hope this category becomes active again but the exclusion of Rosetta doesn't give me hope. If she or anyone isn't inducted in this category next year. I guess it's safe to assume this will be reserved for back-door inductions from now on. This is my favorite of the side-categories and it's a real shame the Rosetta Tharpes and Wynonie Harrises of the pre-rock world aren't given their due recognition yet.

This will be the biggest induction ceremony in a long time. GNTR, The Beastie Boys and RHCP are all headliners. If they get huge ratings this year, this can only bode well for the big 3 snubs (Kiss, Rush and Deep Purple) to get put on the ballot.

Posted by rockstar23 on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 06:42am

No Miracles anywhere!!!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 06:48am

Oh and I'm not complaining at all that there are 6 inductees. I'm just annoyed that they bent the rules for Rod, when gthey probably wouldn't if it was some lesser name. I mean 2007 could have had 6 inductees with the Dave Clark 5/Grandmaster Flash controversy but they stuck with five. The more inductees the better, but the 6th random induction just reeks of politics.

Also, I hope that when Joan Jett returns to the ballot it will be with the Runaways instead of the Blackhearts. Joan Jett should be in the hall, but the more I analyze it the more I think that the Blackhearts are unworthy (basically a glorified cover band). The Runaways, however, at least have influence on their side and who wouldn't want Lita Ford and Cherie Currie in the hall?

Finally, I expect Albert King to follow in Freddie's path.

Okay, end of rants for real. This is actually a pretty solid class. The 3 headliners outway a lot of the bad.

Posted by rockstar23 on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 07:00am

I certainly ain't complaining about 6 inductees, just surprised they decided to break their unwritten 5 inductee rule.

"Now that Donovan and Nyro are in, who are going to be the next singer-songwriters the Hall will try to get in? Warren Zevon seems the likeliest fit. "

Randy Newman, Cat Stevens or Warren Zevon, one of those three are next, two of them have already been previously nominated. I'd like to see Jim Croce too.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 07:09am

Wow, more surprises. Kinda nice though. Still not thrilled about the joint nomination, even moreso now that they've actually been inducted, but oh well.

As for Dowd and Matassa as "Musical Excellence", I'm willing to bet that the category is more of a replacement for the Lifetime Achievement category than the Side-Man. Reading up on Dowd, it seems he was a junior John Hammond of sorts. And it's a good call if that is indeed what this is.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 07:12am

So, The Small Faces/Faces are one of only four acts in the Performers category that haven't been inducted at all here in the Rock Hall Revisited/Projected. The others are The Dells, The Moonglows and Percy Sledge. Which is the worst?

Glyn Johns is yet another name to add to our small list of those that we didn't induct. I always preferred his version of the "Get Back" album to Phil Spector's "Let It Be" release.

To answer Roy's question, it's painfully obvious. Chuck Willis just didn't have very vocal supporters involved in the Hall. If a titan of the institution wants somebody inducted into one of the categories that doesn't involve votes, they'll get them in. Wanda Jackson had Elvis Costello begging to have her inducted and Freddie King recently finished extremely high on Rolling Stone's greatest guitarists list (voted on by guitarists), so he clearly had a lot of inductees pushing his case.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 07:59am

To Mr. FRL, the Cosimo page shows up briefly and then re-directs. And there obviously isn't one for Glyn Johns yet. Also, The Small Faces page says that they were nominated in 2012 twice.

And, in the future, could you at least link to the Wikis for members of the Sidemen, Influences and Non-Performer categories that don't have pages on this site yet? They don't really need one on FRL until they're inducted, but linking to the Wikipedia pages would be nice for those wondering who is who.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 08:09am

^ And I was referring to Rock Hall Revisited/Projected, obviously. Sorry, it's late.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 08:09am

Since Freddie King got in via the backdoor, FRL technically got 3 inductees right again. And our voters were 3 for 5 (nailed Guns, Beasties, Peppers - missed Heart/Cure) for the umpteenth time.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 08:15am

Casper -- good idea, it's set up now to link to Wiki.

Posted by FRL on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 09:59am

as far as i am concerned, the 6 inductees that are part of the class of 2012 is a good class, not great but i give it a solid B with the inductions of rhcp, guns and roses, laura nyro(even though heart would have been a better choice), donovan, beastie boys, and the small faces/faces. freddie king is good for the early influence category and the musical influence class is good also. hopefully by next year with the 2013 class, it will be a clean-up year like inducting a prog rock band like yes, moody blues, or rush, another hard rock band like deep purple or kiss, a singer-songwriter like cat stevens or jim croce, another r and b act like the spinners nominated again, and maybe a jazz rock act like chicago. that is what should be accomplished by next year in 2013.

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 11:17am

"I hate their music, but they do deserve the nod. Congrats all around to them." - Phillip referring to the RHCP.

This quote right there, in a nutshell, is why the NomCom sucks and we make better choices. The NomCom basically thinks their tastes match who should be in the Rockhall. The more thoughtful people here (and elsewhere) realize that even though they personally may dislike an artist, they can look beyond their personal preferences and see who really deserves induction.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 11:26am

Aww man come on now the Spinners should have got nominated their music is all over commercials redone time and time again and they are a couple of world class guys, I guess they all have to die before they get nominated.

Posted by Rikkita on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 11:30am

I'm... actually pretty happy with this. It's ,in my opinion, close to perfect. Only thing I would change is go back to 7 inductees and get The Cure in for goodness sake!

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 11:55am

My top 3 picks got in: Small Faces/Faces, Nyro, and Donavan. RHCP, and GNR are adequate enough to get inducted now, but Beastie Boys, they should have waited another few years, but whatever its a good class this year

Posted by danny on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 12:47pm

Looking at the now official Class of 2012, I am also quite pleased with it. A point nobody here has made yet, now that RHCP, Beastie Boys and GnR are inducted, they are also voters. Perhaps they will have more knowledge of important 80's artists as well.

Anyway, this is the strongest class I've seen in awhile. RHCP, Beasties and GnR are exciting, newer and deserving inductees. I have long been a proponent of Donovan, so I am very happy (and surprised) to see him make it. Small Faces/Faces, I agree, it is ridiculous to combine them into one. I would say they are marginally deserving, but I like them (especially Faces era). I have also long been a proponent of Freddie King. I agree, it is BS how he got in through the backdoor, but that's not his fault. He should be in the Hall some way, and he is, so I am happy about that. And as an influence, he did influence a ton of guitarists, so the category fits, if not chronologically. LOVE to see Dowd in.

Laura Nyro is the only questionable to undeserving one, in my view. The Cure should have that slot!!!!

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 13:27pm

I predicted only two of the inductees, and frankly am shocked that Heart was snubbed. Not only are they deserving, but they seem to be in the right age range and have the right industry friends. I want to meet the voters that picked Laura Nyro and not Heart. It just makes no sense to me.

On the other hand, I thought that the voters would pass over the Beastie Boys yet again, and I'm pleased to be wrong on that one.

So why have six inductees when the ballot instructed the voter to pick exactly five nominees? Why induct a nominated performer in a different category (again)? This whole thing is so damn silly, you just have to laugh.

Posted by A-Killa on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 13:33pm

So with Laura Nyro getting in does this open the doors for the performers who sang her songs: The 5th Dimension, Blood Sweat & Tears, etc?

Amazingly, this will be quite a reunion for Donovan, Anthony Keidis and Adam Horovitz. I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet but Horovitz was once married to Donovan's daughter, Ione Skye, and Keidis was once in a relationship with her. Just bizarro.....

Posted by Jason on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 13:43pm

Here is my blog on my Facebook page in which I talk about the 2012 Inductees....!/note.php?note_id=10150403046915423

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 13:59pm

On the RRHoF's list of inductees on their site, they list Matassa, Dowd, Johns and Kirshner as "sidemen" which is really silly.

Posted by DC on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 14:34pm

Jason, thanks for bringing up some excellent awkwardness. Should be an interesting ceremony.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 17:25pm

Speculation and prediction time:

Who will benefit from GNR's induction?

-KISS. Most of the band will vote for them; Steven Adler said that they wouldn't have existed without KISS. With their success continuing into it's 5th decade it seems like only a matter of time before they end up back on the ballot.

-New York Dolls. Another big influence on GNR... and on KISS... and punk... Dave Marsh is pushing them, so they could end up back on the ballot.

-Soundgarden. Supported GNR on tour, Slash and Cornell have collaborated, so it seems like only a matter of time before they receive nomination #1.

-Motorhead. No way Slash will forget about them at the ceremony, and he'll join Metallica in putting the pressure on the Hall for a long-overdue nomination.

Who will benefit from the Beasties' induction?

-Public Enemy. Now that the spotlight is on influential rap, that should guarantee them being the stone-cold lock for next year.

-N.W.A. See Public Enemy, but I reckon this one will take a few years like LL Cool J and EB&R. All three will be in the mix next year.

Who will benefit from RHCP?

-Jane's Addiction. Two things in common: Both key players in the overgrounding of Alternative and a major funk influence.

-Pixies. Now that there might be a shift towards younger bands.

-Black Flag. One of their main influences.

-The Cure. They really had no chance sharing a ballot with RHCP, but if they can be nominated with no Alternative/Indie acts...

More tomorrow.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 19:00pm

Thanks for the kind words Dezmond. I did in fact rank RHCP as the #1 most deserving act from an attempted objective standpoint, even if I did also place them dead LAST in terms of personal preference.

GFW, I can't call it perfect without the Spinners. I know soul bores you, but there's almost no R&B presence in this class, and Philly soul is divine anytime for me. They'd better be back in the future.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 21:15pm

Wow, I just put myself through the pain of perusing comments on news sites around the internet. Did you guys know that KISS and Rush haven't been inducted yet, but Madonna has and the Hall is overrun with Rap acts? Who knew.

It's refreshing to come back here and read comments by educated grown ups.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 22:16pm

Couldn't agree more, DarinRG.

Posted by FRL on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 22:38pm

I think that the Board of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Don't care what the Fan's would like in the Hall of Fame we pay to go and see the Artisit's that should be in the Hall of Fame. KISS should be in the Hall of Fame along time ago Singer's like PRINCE shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame until 2015. That is why my Family don't go to the Hall of Fame because they don't put Artist's in there that deserve it like KISS.

Posted by Carolyn on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 23:11pm

Oh God, they're finding their way over here now.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 23:24pm

Well, most of it I've already said, but now my thoughts are all in one central post. On my blog.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 01:59am

Whe you stop to consider it closely, I believe this class does mark a turning point in the voting for the Hall. I know everyone is trying to figure out who might get in down the line. I have a feeling that almost everyone who is routinely shuffled out of the crowd will in fact get the call w/in a few yrs. time.

So how can you best figure it out? Consider the list of future potentials. From now till 2020, there are, as I can figure, only four 100% undeniable "they're getting in on the first ballot" artists. Nirvana (2013), Green Day (2014), Pearl Jam (2016), and Radiohead (2017). Leaving aside all personal opinion, what does this suggest for the future?

Scenario 1: The KISS/Deep Purple/Rush crowd.

Nirvana, w/metal-friendly Dave Grohl, make it in in 2013. Already inducted: Van Halen, GNR, Metallica. I'm thinking that, w/Pearl Jam on the way, the voters will not wish to deny Seattle's other two bands. Add Soundgarden & Alice in 2014/2015. Fact is, many "grunge" acts that 80's metal fans got worked up about have attested to their own love for metal - especially 70's metal.

It's going to take a large block to do it, but the combined influence of Van Halen, Metallica, GNR, Nirvana, Soundgarden, & Alice In Chains would be enough to tip the scales in favor of the KISS/Purple/Rush crowd. In addition, reinforcements will be on the way via Pearl Jam, in 2016. I'll wager that by 2016, Deep Purple is already in the Hall. They may throw their own support into the mix for the others. I'll say that Rush & KISS are in before the decade ends.

Scenario 2: The New Wave scenario

Start once again w/Nirvana. If we rightly assume that 2013 will be a Nirvana party, then look for at least two other acts to get in, either both in '13, or one in '14: Sonic Youth & the Pixies. My $ in on SY first; it's a very visible connection. In 2014, Green Day is getting in. Remember that metal block above? O.K., a block composed of R.E.M., Nirvana, Sonic Youth, the Pixies, & Green Day (I believe) would, I feel, easily go to bat for at least two other acts of note: Cheap Trick & The Cars. Nirvana is already quoted as having liked CT, which will go a long way. As 2017/2018 approaches, the band Weezer will also be coming into view, & they certainly have a connection to the Cars.

I can easily pressure being applied, & the Cars & Cheap Trick getting in, somewhere between 2015 & 2019.

Post continued:

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 06:04am

Continuation of post:

Scenario 3: The Britpop scenario.

There's not much connecting the American acts to the English music scene. It may take until 2017 till you see an acknowledgment of Britpop. If Oasis get's in w/out anybody's help, I'll be a bit suprised, even w/their track record. However, I once saw a video where members of Metallica acknowledged they liked the band. It's an unlikely line of support, but nevertheless.

In the end run, it may come down to Radiohead. If R-Head pushes for their contemporaries, & Metallica joins in, I'm thinking Oasis may get the nod. In addition, there's always a chance that the New Wave crowd may hook up w/this push. I can see Blur joining Oasis, perhaps somewhere around 2016-2019. If this happens, it may cause them to backtrack & add at least the Smiths, if not the Stone Roses as well, around this time. I'm not sure whether the Cure would get the call as well, but I'll wager they might make it.

Scenario 4: 80's Metal.

I'll be honest: I'm not sure how this one's going to work. You've got Van Halen & GNR, but I'm not sure what Metallica's stance on the Def Lep/Crue/"glam" acts is. Grohl has admitted to liking some of the stuff, but in a roundabout manner. I once read somewhere that Soundgarden were good friends w/Skid Row, though I'm not sure if this is still the case. I can recall that Rivers Cuomo thought Yngwie Malmsteen was great, though there's no banking on Weezer making the cut, as it were. If all goes right, you might have something of a base to work with here (VH, GNR, Nirvana/Grohl, Soundgarden, Weezer/Cuomo).

My feeling is, it will take the inclusion of an act like KISS to put it over the top. It probably won't happen till the 2020's, unless EVERYONE can be brought in to the cause.

T-rex might get in, courtesy of the Britpop element, but you'd need Oasis, Blur, Radiohead, the Cure, the Smiths, etc. all making the push, providing you can't corral some metal/grunge/alternative folks into the mix. Once again, perhaps a 2017-2019 proposition?

I will say that I believe that between 2013 & 2019, the following groups will in fact go in:

Deep Purple - Rush - KISS - Cheap Trick - The Cars - Oasis - Blur - The Smiths - the Cure - T-Rex (I hope).

This also doesn't count acts like the Smashing Pumpkins, Beck, etc. who I also think will get in, but who may not need a massive lobbying campaign to gain entrance.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 06:28am

Phillip, soul dosen't bore me, or at least not the classic stuff.
But The Soinners... I dunno, it just bores me.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 12:04pm

Meant spinners.
Also, I'll never get that, how is the hall filled with rap acts? theres only the Beastie Boys, Grandmaster Flash and Run DMC, and DMC and the Boys are pretty rockish.
Carolyn: Gene SImmons wished he had the skill Prince does.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 12:17pm

Chesseecrop: I would add Public Enemy to your list of 4 "100% undeniable "they're getting in on the first ballot" artists". Great analysis otherwise!

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 12:30pm

Sorry GFW, guess I'm not getting what does and doesn't bore you. To me, the Spinners ARE classic soul, or at least part of it. You also said you weren't big on Fats either, who isn't soul, but certainly lends towards it. Not sure what your soul bag is then. For me, it's Philly, Stax/Volt (including most of Muscle Shoals), and Sam Cooke. There are some others, but those are the main ones. I'm not big on James or Aretha, just because I don't like their voice, and Motown's alright, but I got inundated with it originally being from Michigan, and it never struck me as the best soul ever.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 13:36pm

Cheese - I enjoyed reading your take and believe your analysis is top notch, although I cannot say for sure as to whether it works within the voting structure of the Hall.

I would add that Def Lep will most likely get pushed into the Crue/LA Scene, although I believe their induction might well depend on the NWoBHM, Priest, Maiden, etc.

You make no mention of the NY Dolls who I believe to be a massive snub, and the Prog Rock bands starting with King Crimson and ELP. Do you have a take on that?

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 13:38pm

Good post as always Phillip

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 15:12pm

The following artists should get in as a result of the 2012 HOF Class

Laura Nyro-Jim Croce, Cat Stevens, Carly Simon,
Carole King (performer), Loggins/Messina, Three Dog Night, Joe Cocker, Blood Sweat and Tears, Steve Miller, Doobie Brothers, Warren Zevon

Small Faces-Zombies,Grass Roots, Spencer Davis Group,Turtles, Monkees, Tommy James and the Shondells, Gary Lewis and the Playboys, Billy J. Kramer and the Dakotas, Troggs,

GNR and RHCP-, Duran Duran, Foreigner, Journey, Rush, Deep Purple, Pogues, Squeeze, Joe Jackson, J Geils. Band, KISS, Cheap Trick,

Donovan-Slade, T-Rex, Mott the Hoople, King Crimson, Moody Blues, Jethro Tull, Yes, ELO, ELP, Procol Harum,

Beastie Boys- Can't think of any because I'm not a rap fan, but maybe The Sugarhill Gang, or any other rap pioneers.

Posted by danny on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 15:43pm

Geez, how much mediocrity do you WANT in a HOF, Danny (and what does Duran Duran and Joe Jackson have to do w/Guns N' Roses anyway?)???

Posted by EDS on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 18:47pm

Gass - didn't go into hip-hop, since most of the talk re: complaints are about older rock acts.

Cheese - I enjoyed reading your take and believe your analysis is top notch, although I cannot say for sure as to whether it works within the voting structure of the Hall.

I would add that Def Lep will most likely get pushed into the Crue/LA Scene, although I believe their induction might well depend on the NWoBHM, Priest, Maiden, etc.

You make no mention of the NY Dolls who I believe to be a massive snub, and the Prog Rock bands starting with King Crimson and ELP. Do you have a take on that?

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 13:38pm
The Prog Scenario:

Some of the progressive elements may be in play already, but a lot of folks may be missing it. We're talking thrash, which has that heavy prog complexity. This is going to sound rather weird, but here goes:

Let's say that the metal end of what I suggested starts to become a reality. By 2016-2017, you see Purple & Rush get in. At the same time, Radiohead will be going in. At the same time, the light shed on prog/metal might just shine on a band like Iron Maiden. I think a Metallica/Purple/Rush trio might have some influence on getting Maiden in. From that point onward, you might start to see some movement on the earlier acts.

It sounds strange to suggest that Iron Maiden & Radiohead might ever be linked together, but this might be the place. Both fit the Progressive style, & certainly could go to bat for those older acts. A weird amalgamation of Metallica/Radiohead/Purple/Rush/Maiden might drive King Crimson, ELP, Yes, etc., through the doors, though it would probably take until 2018-2022 for the full effect to take hold. It's all speculation, but it Could take hold - providing certain elements fall into place.

Let me continue in another post, when you mentioned whether it could take hold, committee-wise.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 18:56pm

When I wrote this earlier this morning, I had yet to read what FRL had posted regarding Freddie King, & the site's "Rant". I have to agree w/the site here.

What's more, having read it, I have to acknowledge that it would invalidate everything I've written here.

The rant is basically that they've moved Freddie King from the performers section into the influences area in order to get him in. If this is the case, then it will be impossible to get anyone through the doors. Call it the Freddie King embargo, if you will.

If the Rock Hall can do this, then they can stonewall anybody out of the picture by placing a nominee of their choice in the way, then shift him/her into another category once the votings finished. They could take Al jolson, stick him in the way of KISS in the nominating process, & then when the votings all over, they shift Jolson over to the influences category. Using this method, anyone can be blocked indefinitely.

This Houdini-esque sleight of hand has pretty much made all the scenarios I envisioned look rather foolish. I'd like to believe those events could play out, but....

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 19:10pm


I think you should revise your list of artists getting in as a result of Laura Nyro's induction to include:

The 5th Dimension
Randy Newman
Harry Nilsson

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 22:19pm


Also include Phoebe Snow and Janis Ian under Laura Nyro, and Al Stewart and Bruce Cockburn under Donovan.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 22:26pm


Also, Rickie Lee Jones and Joan Baez under Laura Nyro.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 22:48pm

Also Todd Rundgren, Harry Chapin under Laura Nyro, Fairport Convention, Richie Havens,Gordon Lightfoot, Love,Pentangle, Spirit and Steeleye Span under Donovan and the Association and Paul Revere and the Raiders under the Small Faces

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 23:10pm

I think Joan Jett probably deserves to be inducted but the problem is that I can't see the Runaways or the Blackhearts deserving it separately. Nor do you have a Faces/Small Faces option. The best way to do it would be the Patti Smith method; induct Jett individually without the bands. Not sure how that would go over, but no one seemed to bother with Ivan Kral, Richard Sohl or Lenny Kaye so there is a precedent.

Posted by astrodog on Friday, 12.9.11 @ 00:05am

Here are some names the RRHOF should consider for the Special Categories (NP & AME)

Lou Adler
Ashford & Simpson
Irving Azoff
Neil Bogart
Bob Crewe
Brian Eno
Albhy Galuten & Karl Richardson
James William Guercio
Dave Hassinger
Jimmy Iovine
Guincy Jones
Eddie Kramer
Giorgio Moroder
Mickie Most
Andrew Loog Oldham
Robert Stigwood
Bill Szymczyk
Ted Templeman
Phil Walden

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Friday, 12.9.11 @ 02:02am

Like many of you I was surprised with Nyro but overall I was satisfied. I hope the Cure get another chance.

What do you guys think of Wilco's chance in the future?

Posted by Hal J on Friday, 12.9.11 @ 08:25am

What do you guys think of Wilco's chance in the future?

Posted by Hal J on Friday, 12.9.11 @ 08:25am

I think that Wilco will get the nod soon into their eligibility. They've got both critical acclaim and a decent level of commercial success and are by most measures the premier act in their genre. Rolling Stone seems to love them, too.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 12.9.11 @ 18:17pm

"and the Hall is overrun with Rap acts"

Very astute observation of that line of thinking, Darin. Barring the fact that Public Enemy is likely going in straight away next year, we have only 3 rap acts in, only one of which got in first-ballot. "Overrun" indeed.

Let me run with Cheesecrop's analysis:

1. Soundgarden eventually gets in, but I don't know when. Could have to wait until Nirvana and PJ; shame, but oh well. They'll likely want all three in before they tackle AIC (as well as AIC contemporaries Jane's Addiction and RATM) so they'll have to wait a few years as well.

2. KISS will be in within the next five years. We know GNR and Metallica will back them. Not sure whether Grohl's a fan, but Novoselic is, so there's it. NIN could be first-ballot and I read something about Reznor being a fan. Some of the Pearl Jam guys have mentioned them being big as far as picking up instruments, and they're first-ballot, and Soundgarden could be in at any time. Not sure when RATM will be in, but Morello will back them if it takes that long.

3. Metallica have been lobbying for Rush since Day 1. Who else will join them? Again, I'm not sure where Dave Grohl stands here, but you do have Reznor, RATM, Billy Corgan, Soundgarden, possibly some of Pearl Jam. This'll happen soon as well.

4. Deep Purple is another matter. Who's going to help Metallica here?

5. I'm not sure if I'd give way that quickly, but Sonic Youth and The Pixies both Pass Go in the next 5-7 years. Nirvana and Green Day and Weezer back Cheap Trick, yes, along with Billy Corgan and possibly some of GNR.

6. The Britpop connections to Radiohead: Bernard Butler's played with them. Remember this: That "group" featured Jarvis Cocker, Phil Selway, Jonny Greenwood and Steve Mackey. I know that Greenwood is a massive Graham Coxon fan. Not sure how much that means in the long run, though. Best to hope for is the Hall's equation being Oasis (probable)+Blur (maybe)+The Smiths (probable, and rightly so, though they're more to Britpop what Cream were to metal)=Britpop. Lars Ulrich and Kirk Hammett are indeed big Oasis fans, and I believe Bono might be, so that'll help. The Cure and Depeche Mode likely get in too, but I don't view them as relevant to this lineage.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 12.9.11 @ 19:16pm

My Rap comment was sarcastic. Listening to the average poster on mainstream news sites you'd think that every Rap act ever has been inducted. I was making fun of that.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 12.9.11 @ 19:31pm

Okay, who will give the induction speeches?

Beastie Boys - EMINEM

Donovan - Elton John, Billy Joel, James Taylor, Carole King, Judy Collins, Joan Baez

Laura Nyro - Elvis Costello, Elton John, Billy Joel, James Taylor, Carole King, Judy Collins, Joan Baez, Fionna Apple, Alanis Morissette

Freddie King - B.B. King and Eric Clapton

RHCP & GNR - I don't know!

Small Faces/Faces - I don't know

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.10.11 @ 07:17am

Guns N' Roses, Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers Chosen for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Laura Nyro, Donovan and the Small Faces/Faces will also be inducted in 2012

By Andy Greene
December 7, 2011 3:30 AM ET

The votes are in and next year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame class will include Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Beastie Boys, the Small Faces/Faces, Donovan and Laura Nyro. Freddie King will enter the Hall of Fame as an Early Influence, while the late producer and TV host Don Kirshner will receive the Ahmet Ertegun (nonperformer) Award and producers Cosimo Matassa, Tom Dowd and Glyn Johns will receive the Award for Musical Excellence. The ceremony will be held April 14th at Cleveland's Public Hall. It will be broadcast on HBO in early May.

Red Hot Chili Peppers frontman Anthony Kiedis got the news while his band was touring Europe."I called my dad and he cried," he tells Rolling Stone. "The most emotional part for me was thinking about [late Red Hot Chili Peppers guitarist] Hillel Slovak . . . It's really kind of his induction that I'm the most excited about. He's a beautiful person that picked up a guitar in the 1970s and didn't make it out of the 1980s, and he is getting honored for his beauty . . . It really fills my heart with the reality of how much we love doing what we do, and how much Flea and I love each other. We have stuck together through thick and thin and we want to keep on trucking and continuing to do what it is we do."

Guns N' Roses are the only group to be inducted on their first year of eligibility. The original line-up hasn't performed together since drummer Steven Adler left the band in 1990. During an interview last month with VH1 Classic's That Metal Show, Axl Rose didn't completely rule out a reunion. "I don't know what it means in terms of me with the old band and the old lineup," he said. "If we were to be invited, I don't know what they would ask of me. It's up in the air."

Adler remains skeptical that Axl will be willing to perform with the original lineup. "You figure that time heals all wounds," he tells Rolling Stone. "But some people just REALLY hold a crazy grudge. I just had lunch with Slash two days ago. He loves Axl. He holds no grudges towards him. Twenty years of great music wasn't created because of some stupid grudge . . . Can't we just be people who played music and accomplished a huge goal in their life and just play a couple songs? It's only rock & roll, my god! It's not rocket science."

For Faces/Small Faces keyboardist Ian McLagan, the news was somewhat bittersweet. "I was not happy that the Small Faces and the Faces were lumped together," he tells Rolling Stone. "I've given it a lot of thought and I figure, well . . . I'll take it." The Faces have been touring with former Simply Red frontman Mick Hucknall, but original singer Rod Stewart recently said that he'd like to reunite with the group at the ceremony. "I'll be happy if he does that," says McLagan. "It certainly would be wonderful."

Rod Stewart tells Rolling Stone that he has every intention of performing with the Faces at the event. "I'd love it," he says. "If they're all available, I'll definitely make myself available . . . I'm absolutely over the moon about this." He's none too pleased that McLagan has voiced his unhappiness that the two bands are getting inducted together. "I think that was a little out of order," he says. "I think Mac should think himself lucky that he's in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I'll knock him into shape when I see him, McLagan."

Scottish folk icon Donovan was overjoyed when he learned of his induction. "I'm pleased as punch," he tells Rolling Stone. "Honors and awards are very interesting, and I truly accept them. I have very high regard for what they mean. What they mean is that they're pointing to the work. For me, the work was always to show others, to lead others, to experiment, to break all the rules. I've had lots of recognition . . . but this one is singular."

The Beastie Boys are only the third hip-hop act to get inducted into the Hall of Fame. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five got inducted in 2007. Two years later, Run-D.M.C. got the nod as well. The Beastie Boys released their eighth studio LP Hot Sauce Committee Part Two this past April, but have been lying low while Adam Yauch receives treatment for cancer.

"We're in the rock and roll hall of fame?" the Beasties said in a written statement. "That's f----n' crazy and awesome! While we are very proud of the music we make, we have to acknowledge the inspiration from our families, friends and musicians like The Slits, Bad Brains, X-Ray Spex, The Treacherous Three and too many others to possibly name. And most of all, we give thanks to New York City and the world of musical influence it provided for us."

Laura Nyro was an incredibly gifted and under-appreciated songwriter whose work has been covered by everyone from Peter, Paul and Mary and Three Dog Night to the Fifth Dimension. Her late-1960s LPs Eli and the Thirteenth Confession and New York Tendaberry weren't huge sellers, but were tremendously acclaimed and they inspired an entire generation of songwriters. "I idolized her," Elton John said in 2008. "The soul, the passion, just the out and out audacity of the way her rhythmic and medley changes came was like nothing I've heard before." Nyro died from ovarian cancer in 1997.

This is the third time that the ceremony will be held in Cleveland, home of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum. As in 2009, the ceremony will be open to the public.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.10.11 @ 07:28am

I'll have a go at the induction speeches:

The Beastie Boys: Eminem or Chuck D (Chuck D has long been a fan of the Beastie Boys, and his induction speech could be a sign of things to come the following year when Public Enemy likely gets inducted)

Donovan: Paul McCartney, James Taylor, or Mike Love

Guns N' Roses: Maybe the Black Keys?

Laura Nyro: Elton John or Alice Cooper (probably Elton John)

The Red Hot Chili Peppers: Eddie Vedder

The Small Faces/Faces: Pete Townshend, Ray Davies, or Robert Plant (a huge fan of Steve Marriott)

Freddie King: Eric Clapton

Posted by Donnie on Saturday, 12.10.11 @ 14:03pm

Why not?

Beastie Boys: I like the Chuck D theory. Eminem laid it out in full for Run-D.M.C., so it would seem disingenuous for him to also induct the Beasties.

Donovan: Bob Dylan? *snicker* Okay, I'm liking Alice Cooper as a selection. Or maybe Paul Simon. I don't see Macca taking the time to do it.

Guns N' Roses: Sammy Hagar. I think it'll be one of their contemporaries or one of their influences to talk about Guns N' Roses carried on in their tradition/footsteps.

Freddie King: Eric Clapton... just seems obvious. Maybe B.B. too.

Don Kirshner: For some reason, I'm seeing Neil Diamond doing it. Or maybe a star who appeared on Rock Concert a few times. I don't think Jann will allow Davy Jones or Ron Dante to do it, but maybe.

Laura Nyro: Elton was there last year for Leon Russell. Doubtful he'll do two years in a row. My best guess would be Marilyn McCoo and Billy Davis, Jr. or possibly Chuck Negron.

Red Hot Chili Peppers: I just don't care. Vedder seems like a safe bet.

Small/Faces: It should be a member of the NomCom to speak on the committee's behalf and explain this joint nomination. Probably Plant or a member of the Clash, maybe Elvis Costello.

Tom Dowd, Glyn Johns, Cosimo Matassa: I believe there'll be one presentation for these three like they did for the songwriters in 2010. And I think it'll be a producer. Or a musician who also knows how to produce. Maybe Nile Rodgers to also bolster Chic's chances for next year.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.10.11 @ 15:55pm

On a different note, which of the failed nominees of this year do you think will score another nomination next year?

Like most, I hope for The Cure, but I suspect that they may have to wait another year, and a different alternative rock band will represent that genre.

They may swap Donna Summer with Chic, but one or the other will be on the ballot, I'm almost certain.

I think the single mostly candidate to make a return will be War, unless the fit that they threw makes the Hall raise an eyebrow.

I could also see Heart getting another nod.

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Saturday, 12.10.11 @ 20:06pm

I agree I don't see the Cure being back next year. Maybe the year after that, but not next year.

Joan Jett And The Blackhearts, I'm hoping are one and done.

The Spinners had BETTER be back next year.

Eric B. And Rakim I see as taking a back seat for NWA and Public Enemy next year.

Heart... your guess is as good as mine.

Rufus with Chaka Khan, maybe.

Donna Summer... she might get the next year off while they resurrect the push for Chic.

I think the fit War threw actually HELPS them. They're kissing ass big-time by whining about how much they deserve and want in, but have done so without trying to defame or discredit the institution itself. They'll be back...maybe not next year, but they will be.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.10.11 @ 20:24pm

My induction speech guesses:

Guns N' Roses: Metallica

Beastie Boys: Eminem or Chuck D are insanely obvious, safe bets, although the Hall could always throw us a curve ball like Flea giving Metallica's speech

Donovan: Jimmy Page

Small Faces/Faces: Mick Jones of the Clash

Laura Nyro: Elton John

Red Hot Chili Peppers: Perry Farrell of Jane's Addiction (see below)

As to who I foresee making the ballot next year, of the newly eligible artists Public Enemy and NWA are definites (although of the two Public Enemy is the only shoo-in for actual induction in 2012). Less likely but highly probable first-time nominees are two new alt-rock bands: the Pixies and Jane's Addiction. If the Pixies make the ballot, I foresee them making it into the Hall since there are prominent past inductees (U2, David Bowie) who are huge fans of the band, and an overwhelming number of music critics with ballots with vote for them.

Donna Summer will be back next year, and Heart too. We might see War again. The Cure is semi-likely, but if the Pixies and Jane's show up they might be crowded out. With GNR in, the hard rock/metal push is going to be shifted back to Bon Jovi; I don't see Kiss making the ballot again next year. Next's year's random "eligible artist being nominated for the first time" might be Soundgarden--but FAR more likely (and I'm STUNNED she hasn't even been considered yet) is Janet Jackson. If Soundgarden doesn't make its ballot debut then, then surely in 2013, when Nirvana is the only no-brainer from 1988 to nominate, with De La Soul being highly probable too.

Posted by AJ on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 02:50am

Who I think will be back from those who failed to make the cut:

The Cure-I think they will be making a return appearance, if not next year then the year after. I don't think the Hall will be moving on to The Smiths, Joy Division/New Order, Sonic Youth, Pixies etc. until The Cure is inducted. I think they will try to get the most commercially successful and recognisable act in first.

Eric B. Rakim-could return, but definitely not next year. The rap slot will deservingly go to Public Enemy and a second slot I imagine will be granted to NWA.

Heart-This is an induction waiting to happen, they are on good graces with Cleveland and is a fan favorite. They will be back.

Joan Jett-should only be back once Heart is inducted and hopefully with The Runaways instead of the Blackhearts.

Rufus w/ Chaka-Maybe. Depends on how bad they want Chaka in the Hall. I'm guessing they won't show up for another few years if at all.

The Spinners-I'm almost certain they will be back. I think they will be the nominators' new pet project and will most likely be back until they gain induction.

Donna Summer-The nominators' current pet project. Highly deserving and is most likely to return or maybe she and Chic will be taking turns on the ballot till they both get inducted (let's face it the Hall won't give up on these two and nor should they, they belong!)

War-Could go either way. Waited a few years to gain their second nomination so who knows if they are a high priority in the nominators' minds. I'm gonna say no for next year, but could show up for return appearnces in the future

Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 03:00am

Oh and if KISS will make a return to the ballot, I am almost certain they will be inducted. Esp. if Guns, Alice, Metallica , The Pepers push for them.

Can you imagine how entertaining a ceremony with Public Enemy and KISS would be. Throw in Donna Summer, The Cure and Heart and voila awesome induction class. One can dream right lol

Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 03:05am

I don't see the Pixies having to wait for the Cure to make it into the Hall. Though I love the Cure more personally, they can be sidelined due to the recurrent American bias and a potential knee-jerk dismissal of goth. While the Pixies had less of a commercial impact than the Cure, their influence outstrips handily, and the fact that they directly influenced Nirvana and many of the key '90s alt-rock bands will play into the Hall's tastes.

Posted by AJ on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 04:16am

I could actually see the Spinners and Heart both making it back on the ballot next year.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 05:10am

how are the pixies more influential than The Cure?

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 07:27am

@rockstar 23: It could happen. The Neil Bogart/Casablanca Records biopic is due out next year starring Justin Timberlake. I'm assuming it will include music from both Donna Summer and Kiss. Next year might be the year that these former Casablanca Records artists get their due.

Posted by Paul on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 07:58am

I was thinking that if you are going to induct Nyro as a performer, why not Ellie Greenwich? Nyro got in mainly by virtue of other artists having hits with her songs, although the only major hit was Wedding Bell Blues with the Fifth Dimension. By any measure Greenwich had a better track record.

Posted by astrodog on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 14:12pm

@GFW: The Pixies pretty much refined and established the parameters of the sound of '90s American alternative rock, and much indie rock to the current day. Husker Du and Dinosaur Jr were also important in the same vein, but the Pixies are overwhemingly cited as a direct influence by musicians. And as someone who's done quite a bit of research on The Cure, I can say with full confidence that I can name more bands that were influenced by the Pixies than were influenced by the Cure.

Let's put it this way: The Cure aren't the most influential post-punk act; Joy Division is, and PIL, Wire, and Gang of Four have as much influence as The Cure. They're the best-known goth band, but Bauhaus invented the genre; The Cure started going goth on 'Seventeen Seconds' and arguably weren't full-on goth until 'Pornography, when the first wave of goth was almost finished. They aren't the most influential British alternative rock band--the Smiths are, by an enormous margin. The Cure's most important contribution to music--aside from some of the best songs of the 1980s--is bringing goth to the mainstream. I strongly feel The Cure should be in the Hall--but as they didn't make it in this year, it's a very strong possibility that the Pixies will make it in before them.

Posted by AJ on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 01:30am

I'd say The Cure definetly have more influence than PiL and Wire.

And yeah, i kinda see your point. i guess it's just the fact that it annoys me when people ignore uk alternative bands and in the same breath praise us ones. I know that's not what you're doing, you said british alt deserved consideration, it's just that some people are like that, praising the us and dismissing the uk.

Posted by GFW on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 12:26pm

Allow me to chime in:

-I'd induct all of those mentioned except Bauhaus (sorry Northampton) and maybe Public Image.

-I'd probably say The Pixies were more influential than The Cure.

-As were The Smiths, though The Cure were better.

-Joy Division and New Order both were more innovative and influential as well. It's worth mentioning that Robert Smith drew inspiration from both in the 80's, and you can hear evidence for this if you listen hard enough.

-If goth exists (another music press created term, this one having little meaning) then Siouxsie & The Banshees would actually be the first, as their first album was released a year before Bela Lugosi's Dead. Smith was a touring member of The Banshees and also took something from them, as heard on the Pornography album. (I don't care for that album, to be honest.) The Cure were the more influential of the two.

-Ditto with Wire. The Cure opened for Wire in their early days and Smith has cited them as an influence, as heard on the first two albums. I don't care for TIB as it draws on Wire and The Buzzcocks but doesn't do much with those sounds. Seventeen Seconds is quite good though, as they began to find their own identity there.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 16:48pm

Question - is Matt, Gilbey and Dizzy being inducted along with the original 5 members of Guns?

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 12.14.11 @ 13:46pm

According to John Soeder's Plain Dealer article, it will be the original five plus Dizzy Reed and Matt Sorum.

Posted by FRL on Wednesday, 12.14.11 @ 14:36pm

Thank you Oh Great Oz.

Too bad - I really liked Gilbey. His solo albums were pretty good and a lot of fun, especially the first one.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 12.14.11 @ 16:35pm

It's actually a good thing that Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses and Red Hot Chili Peppers are all being inducted together now. We won't have to see them on the ballots anymore! More room for more 60s-70s artists.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.14.11 @ 20:52pm

While there definitely are worthy 60s-70s time period artists still out there, the majority of the major snubs now are from the late 70's and 80's.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 12.14.11 @ 21:00pm

Exactly. Hopefully ballots like this year's will become the norm.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12.14.11 @ 21:22pm

Depends on your definition of "Major snub". IMO, Chubby Checker and the Marvelettes are bigger snubs than the Pixies or the Misfits. IMO, the biggest snub (even bigger than my pet cause of the Tokens) is Stevie Ray Vaughan And Double Trouble (80s), and I have no problem with sufficient representation with late '70s and early '80s artists, but I still maintain that we're nowhere near ready to slam the door shut on the pre-punk era, or even the pre-Beatles era.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12.14.11 @ 22:19pm

I'd go with The Smiths or The Cure for Most Wanted Snub, but in my eyes, the most important (and most urgent) snub is Deep Purple.

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Thursday, 12.15.11 @ 00:03am

I'm far from a fan (more of an alternative/hip-hop guy) but I have to say that KISS is probably the biggest snub. Just because of their ubiquity with rock. Their rock hall bio from two years ago sums it pretty well I think, other than the Beatles, KISS pretty much inspired a lot of people to pick up instruments and rock.

Deep Purple is a very close second.

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 12.15.11 @ 04:51am

Personally I'l lalways uphold Kraftwerk as the biggest snub simply because you remove them from the equation and very likely you can say bye to synthpop and electronic dance/techno/whatever.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 12.15.11 @ 15:07pm

Yeah, but would that be such a bad thing?


I keed! I keed! I actually like electronica. Not a devotee, but I like it. Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Kiss might possibly all make my Top Ten.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.15.11 @ 15:25pm

IMO, biggest snubs are Miracles, Deep Purple, Moody Blues, Doobie Brothers (in no particluar order).

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12.15.11 @ 15:25pm

Honestly, all of the bands mentioned in the last few posts are definitely way past due for induction.

Touche about Kraftwerk, GFW. They are definitely underknown and therefore underappreciated by your average music listener. Before coming to this site a few years ago (I only became active when our projects started up last year), I had never heard of them. They were instrumental in the foundation of one of the largest sectors of music, even if it largely remains underground to this day. Pun intended.

The Miracles should have been inducted the moment Smokey did. That pisses me off. Knowing the Hall, a foolish sidemen induction might be pending...

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Thursday, 12.15.11 @ 17:35pm

"IMO, Chubby Checker and the Marvelettes are bigger snubs than the Pixies or the Misfits."

Technically the Pixies haven't been snubbed yet. However, is Checker a bigger snub than Sonic Youth? Black Flag? The Cure? Joy Division/New Order? Motorhead? Iron Maiden? Eric B. & Rakim?

I agree that there are a few 50's and 60's artists that need to go in, but I just don't want to crowd the ballot with them. Shall we say 1 or 2 a year? Joan Jett & The Blackhearts and J. Geils Band staying off the ballot would help...

Not a fan, but Kraftwerk are to me the biggest snub.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 12.16.11 @ 14:09pm

Sam, with the possible exception of the Cure, I would say yes, Chubby Checker is a bigger snub than those acts you've mentioned. He had a lot more to his resume than The Twist.

And similarly, I don't want to "crowd the ballot" with 80's artists or alt-scene acts either. This year's ballot had a decent amount of balance to it.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 12.16.11 @ 22:33pm

If the Hall were straight "rock n roll", Chubby Checker would hands-down be the single biggest snub. Coincidentally, if that were the case, this site would be very, very different. and I would not be on it. Luckily the Hall is inclusive to all genres under the branch of rock.

Sure, Chubby Checker deserves induction. I don't think he's better or more important or influential than any of the artists in Sam's comment. He's not even close. But if I look at it from a purist perspective, and take the Hall's name to be literal.... he is the biggest, and most culturally relevant snub. I guess it all depends on perspective.

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Saturday, 12.17.11 @ 00:15am

With a lot of the usual suspects cleared this year from the ballot, I'm actually really excited to see who the NomCom puts on the ballot next year. I think about half will be new faces. Any early guesses?

Here's my early guesses for now:

the newly eligibles/rap acts
1. Public Enemy
2. NWA

perennials/disco acts:
3. Donna Summer
4. Chic

returning from this year's ballot:
5. The Cure
6. Heart
7. The Spinners

past nominees:
9. Gram Parsons
10. Cat Stevens

11. Warren Zevon
12. Carly Simon

random first ballot apearances:
13. Soundgarden
14. Dick Dale
15. The Commodores

Posted by rockstar23 on Saturday, 12.17.11 @ 03:54am

Conversely, I wouldn't object to any of those acts getting in that Sam mentioned either with the possible exception of Black Flag. They're a lesser Sex Pistols, imo, but I wouldn't lose all hope and faith in the Hall if they got in either. The big difference for me though, is that Chubby was a major influence on the national, mainstream in terms of practically flat-out spawning the dance-rock movement that kept rock'n'roll thriving and vital in the cultural scene, at least until the Beatles showed up.

The others have had some cultural mainstream influence, but none of them were as big and influential at a single moment than Chubby. The rest of them (except Motorhead and Eric B. And Rakim) were primarily alt-scene that influenced primarily other alt-scene. The analogy I've used in the past was "ripples that caused other ripples, but not huge waves." The fact that you prefer alt-scene more and give it more artistic credibility is certainly your opinion, but I don't give it as much weight because as objective.

And again, I'm not saying any of those acts don't belong in. I wanted the Cure to make it this year, I'd love to see Motorhead and Eric B. And Rakim make it. I just thing Chubby's more imminent a snub.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.17.11 @ 14:32pm

Good class. Now if they can only get Peter, Paul, and Mary, they can have all the sixties folk musicians.

For those who are whining about "how come X 70s/80s band didn't get in", just wait. You'll get your artists once the 60s and earlier are depleted. Also, the more underground the artist, the less likely they are to get in. So shut up about post punk bands and prog groups. They're not getting in any time soon.

I'm surprised it took this long to get RHCP in, considering the history of the Hall. Still, glad to see them in.

Posted by Lucario on Saturday, 12.17.11 @ 18:03pm

Lucario - I don't see anyone whining. I see people discussing who they think should be inducted into the Hall of Fame. That's what this site is for. Discussing the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and who should be inducted into it.

And if you really think that the 70s-90s acts are going to be taking a back seat to the 60s leftovers at this point you've got some very disconcerting years ahead.

I do agree with you, though, that this was a good class.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 12.17.11 @ 18:25pm

Wednesday, December 7: 5:30 a.m.
Posted by Rock Hall

The 2012 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductions in Cleveland!
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Today, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announces its inductees for 2012, and the inductees are:

Beastie Boys
Guns N’ Roses
Laura Nyro
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Small Faces/The Faces

Freddie King

Don Kirshner

Cosimo Matassa
Tom Dowd
Glyn Johns

“We are pleased to announce this year’s Hall of Fame inductees, who represent the broad spectrum of artists that define rock and roll,” says Joel Peresman, President and CEO of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. “We are also thrilled this year to again be partnered with HBO, who presented the Hall of Fame’s 25th Anniversary Concerts.”

The 27th annual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony will take place on Saturday, April 14, 2012 in Cleveland and premiere on HBO in early May. The 2012 ceremony will again be open to the public, as it was – for the first time in the event’s history – at the 2009 Inductions in Cleveland.

“Our previous collaboration with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was a landmark television event,” says Michael Lombardo, president, HBO Programming. “We are delighted to team up with the Hall of Fame again for what should be a memorable evening.”

Leading up to the April 14 ceremony, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will host more than a week of special events, including the grand opening of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s new Library and Archives, tours of the newly-redesigned Museum interior space, the unveiling of a major new exhibition, the Rock My Soul gospel tribute, a free concert for Cleveland and a special series of education programs designed to teach students across the nation about the history and impact of rock and roll. Once open, the Library and Archives will be the world’s most comprehensive repository of written and audio-visual materials relating to the history of rock and roll.

To learn more about the 10 days of events celebrating the 2012 Inductions in Cleveland and tickets to the Inductions Ceremony, click here.

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Tags: 2012 inductees, beastie boys, donovan, faces, freddie king, guns n' roses, hall of fame, laura nyro, red hot chili peppers, small faces

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.18.11 @ 06:14am

BTW, I don't think we have inducted Chubby Checker into FRL Hall. Just saying...

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 12.19.11 @ 08:14am

Who do you think will perform for Laura Nyro. I'm thinking they might have Blood, Sweat, & Tears, The 5th Dimintion, or Three Dog Night since they all had hits with her songs.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 12.21.11 @ 19:34pm

Some major changes I'd like to see on the Rock Hall Committee:

1. Increase the number of inductees from 6 to 8 once again.

2. More women need to be on the committee. I feel that without more female representation, the significance of artists' such as Kate Bush, PJ Harvey, Tori Amos, Ani DiFranco, Bjork and Sleater-Kinney won't ever be acknowledged.

3. Starting in 2012 we're going to see a huge influx of late 80's and 90's titans becoming eligible every year until about 2021, and yet every single person on the committee was born in the 40's, 50's and 60's (with the exception of Toure). They need to start including music experts who came of age during the 80's and 90's that have a different perspective and a deep knowledge of signifcant artists' of the past thirty years.

I'm sure there are more. :)

Posted by IcarusHibiscus on Thursday, 12.29.11 @ 09:24am



Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.29.11 @ 12:41pm

Ron Paul also rhymes w/John Stahl.

John Stahl was a movie director in the 1930's who did romantic melodramas.

Alas, John Stahl will not be running for election this yr. More's the pity, as the Romantic Melodrama of this yrs. (ahem) politicians (ha-ha-ha!) would be an excellent backdrop for some overdramatic hysterics.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 12.29.11 @ 17:30pm


Harry Belafonte
The Crewcuts
The Doobie Brothers
Duane Eddy
Percy Faith
Ferrante & Teicher
Al Green
Tony Orlando & Dawn
The Osmonds
Donny Osmond
Marie Osmond
Dolly Parton
The Pointer Sisters
Bruce Springsteen

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 01.7.12 @ 20:47pm

This month's Rolling Stone magazine: Page 17 - The 2011 Rock Hall Ceremony will be in April, but the ceremony won't be broadcast until May on HBO.

If it's going to be on HBO, that means commercial free, and hopefully that also means they will show the entire ceremony unedited!!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01.10.12 @ 13:25pm

So disappointed that once again, one of the most talented singer/songwriters of our lifetime has been left off of the inductee nomination list. Dan Fogelberg should have been one of the first inductees in my mind. Multi-talented instrumentalist, songwriter, singer, environmentalist and one of the best live concert draws in history. How can you deny him a spot? This is one woman's vote for Dan Fogelberg, his music soothes my soul and brings hope to my heart.

Posted by In Dismay on Monday, 01.16.12 @ 00:36am

If the Rock_Hall does indeed induct the Midnighters, Crickets and Comets, they will have corrected a longtime injustice. Good for them. about 9 hours ago
It will be interesting to see which backing groups the Rock_Hall inducts. Wailers? E Street Band? Miracles? Blue Caps? Famous Flames? about 9 hours ago
Wow! Could there be others? RT @jetfan1 Exclusive! Crickets, Comets, Midnighters to be inducted into the #RockHall about 9 hours ago


ARE The Crickets, Midnighters, Comets Rock Hall Bound?
The Comets, Crickets and Midnighters may be inducted into the Rock Hall this year.

Got this info from a trusted source.

Rock Hall not confirming this or denying it. They will send out a press release if this happens.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01.25.12 @ 19:49pm

How will the Midnighters, the Comets and the Crickets be inducted if the sidemen category is now called musical excellence? What's going to happen?

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 01.26.12 @ 20:34pm

Roy, I imagine they would just add those artist to the main performer's induction plaque/status. So the site/museum would now say Hank Ballard & The Midnighters, Buddy Holly & The Crickets, etc. If that is indeed the hall's plan, then I imagine they will just induct every notable snubbed group, so The Miracles would be locks and the E-Street Band quite likely.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 01.26.12 @ 20:39pm

But The Miracles were not sidemen. Smokey was a Miracle to begin with. All those other groups can go in as sidemen using addendums, but not The Miracles. The Miracles have to be nominated and inducted in the main performers category. All 7 members! If the Rock Hall just adds the Miracles to Smokey Robinson's 1987 induction, would Billy Griffin (Smokey's replacement/Love Machine) be included?

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 01.26.12 @ 22:24pm

I'm not saying they'd be inducted as sidemen being listed alongside Smokey Robinson, the inducted members of The Miracles will have been inducted as Performers. Had that been the case from the start, I don't think anybody would whine that they were inducted as Smokey Robinson & The Miracles rather than as The Miracles...especially since Smokey's name was listed on the singles towards the end of their Motown run if I remember correctly.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 01.29.12 @ 01:34am

If it happens this year...


Henry Booth
Charles Sutton
Sonny Woods
Alonzo Tucker


Jerry Allison
Tommy Allsup
Joe B. Mauldin
Niki Sullivan
Larry Welborn


Joey Ambrose
Franny Beecher
Danny Cedrone
Johnny Grande
Billy Gussack
Ralph Jones
Marshall Lytle
Rudy Pompilli
Al Rex
Dick Richards
Billy Williamson

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02.6.12 @ 22:33pm


Henry Booth
Charles Sutton
Sonny Woods
Alonzo Tucker


Jerry Allison
Tommy Allsup
Joe B. Mauldin
Niki Sullivan
Larry Welborn


Joey Ambrose
Franny Beecher
Danny Cedrone
Johnny Grande
Billy Gussack
Ralph Jones
Marshall Lytle
Rudy Pompilli
Al Rex
Dick Richards
Billy Williamson


Angelo d'Aleo
Fred Milane
Carlo Mastrangelo
Frank Lyndon

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02.7.12 @ 01:31am

Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Smokey Robinson getting second inductions this year!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02.7.12 @ 10:24am

Joel Peresman is having lunch right now.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02.7.12 @ 11:59am

Okay, here we go, it's working now! The Rock Hall is making edits to their 2012 inductees page. Watch them in action!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02.7.12 @ 15:14pm

Sure hope the post about The Miracles is correct.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 02.7.12 @ 15:19pm

Is the announcement being made from Ohio or New York?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02.7.12 @ 16:16pm

Future Rock Legends just got rid of their tweet that stated that there would be a big announcement today.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 02.7.12 @ 16:30pm

The Midnighters and The Famous Flames were not sidemen either. Both Hank Ballard and James Brown started their careers as members of their respective groups. Neither group started with their lead singer's names in front of the group. Those groups'ORIGINAL names were The Midnighters and The Famous Flames. PERIOD. James Brown and Hank Ballard weren't EVEN the original lead singers of the groups. Bobby Byrd and Henry Booth were.

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 02.8.12 @ 00:19am

Do you think Hank Ballard is going to be inducted a second time with The Midnighters?

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02.8.12 @ 06:17am

I don't know, Roy, but if you could tell us what time it is every half hour like you did yesterday that would be awesome.

I'd especially like to know what time Peresman's eating lunch today.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 02.8.12 @ 07:56am

The fallowing backing groups will be added to the original inductees:

The Blue Caps (Gene Vincent)
The Comets (Bill Haley)
The Crickets (Buddy Holly)
The Famous Flames (James Brown)
The Midnighters (Hank Ballard)
The Miracles (Smokey Robinson)

I am really happy that all these groups will finally get their due. This is the best way they could have solved this issue. Hopefully this will lead to the inclusion of the E Street Band, Silver Bullet Band, Belmonts, etc.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 02.9.12 @ 01:43am

Big Brother and the Holding Company
The Mothers of Invention
The Silver Bullet Band
The E Street Band
The Belmonts
The Revolution

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02.9.12 @ 05:32am

Big Brother and the Holding Company
The Mothers of Invention
The Silver Bullet Band
The E Street Band
The Belmonts
The Revolution
The Wailers

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02.9.12 @ 06:10am

Is this going to be a 10 AM or 3 PM announcement?

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02.9.12 @ 08:19am

I don't know, but at least you found your caps lock button.

Seriously, though, congrats to all of our Miracles crusaders here, and especially to all of the long snubbed pioneers who are getting their long overdue recognition.

Hope to see the Wailers, the Belmonts, the E Street Band and a few others who have already been named in previous comments get the same treatment next year.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 02.9.12 @ 08:26am

I agree, congrats to all!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 02.9.12 @ 08:40am

The new 2012 inductees have been added, and the individual members of each group are on the artist pages (pulled from the Rock Hall website).

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Thursday, 02.9.12 @ 13:24pm


01. Parliament-Funkadelic (16 Members Inducted in 1997)
02. The Grateful Dead (12 Members Inducted in 1994)
03. Bill Haley And The Comets (11 Members Inducted in 1987/2012)

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02.9.12 @ 20:19pm

This is great news!

Glad to see that the Rock hall has corrected several severe past errors of theirs, and in the best way possible!

Hope to see the same happen to the E-Street Band, Silver Bullet Band, the Belmonts, etc. in the near future.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 02.10.12 @ 02:09am

Our web host had a hardware failure this afternoon and we lost the last 12 hours of comments and voting data. Sincere apologies to anyone who left a comment and lost it. This is the first time this has happened in nearly six years.


Posted by Future Rock Legends on Friday, 02.10.12 @ 14:56pm

Meh, it happens.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 02.10.12 @ 15:36pm

Probably for the best. Most of what got lost was overbearing repetition and drunken nonsense, anyway.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 02.10.12 @ 18:00pm

Rock Hall Monitors weighs in on the six additional groups getting in.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 02.13.12 @ 11:51am

I hope they are not going to get one person to give the induction speeches for all 6 additional inductees.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02.13.12 @ 21:24pm

Digital Dream Door hasn't posted their critique of this year's inductees yet!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02.15.12 @ 07:22am

Remember last year when Alice Cooper was inducted, but only one trophy was brought out to the podium? I hope the Rock Hall does not continue with this this year too. Bring out all the trophies for the band inductions!!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02.20.12 @ 20:26pm

The 2012 Songwriters Hall Of Fame

Bob Seger
Gordon Lightfoot
Jim Steinman
Don Schlitz
Harvey Schmidt
Tom Jones


Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Songwriters Hall of Fame Announces 2012 Inductees

Gordon Lightfoot, Bob Seger, Don Schlitz, Harvey Schmidt & Tom Jones and Jim Steinman to be Inducted June 14th in NYC

New York, NY – February 21, 2012 – Musical geniuses Gordon Lightfoot, Bob Seger, Don Schlitz, Harvey Schmidt & Tom Jones and Jim Steinman will become the newest members of the Songwriters Hall of Fame at the organization’s 43rd Annual Induction and Awards Dinner. The star-studded event is slated for Thursday, June 14th at the Marriott Marquis Hotel in New York City. Additional special award honorees will be announced soon.

“Each of our 2012 inductees has created a unique range of extraordinary contributions, a body of work that has resonated with audiences around the world, and greatly enriched our global culture,” said SHOF Chairman Jimmy Webb. “We are looking forward to celebrating their craft and careers at our Annual Awards Gala.”

Established in 1969, the Songwriters Hall of Fame (SHOF) serves as a vital bridge between music’s past and future. In the Hall, musical pioneers are enshrined and celebrated, while the organization’s music community outreach grooms the next generation of troubadours.

Gordon Lightfoot:

Performing songwriter Gordon Lightfoot is credited for helping to define the folk-pop sound of the 1960s and 1970s. He is the author and voice of many timeless songs including: “Early Morning Rain,” “Canadian Railroad Trilogy,” “Sundown,” “If You Could Read My Mind,” “Carefree Highway,” “The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald,” “Beautiful,” “Ribbon Of Darkness,” “Rainy Day People,” “That’s What You Get For Lovin’ Me,” “Did She Mention My Name,” “I’m Not Sayin’ That I Love You,” “Race Among The Ruins,” “Softly,” “Song For A Winter’s Night,” and “Summer Side Of Life.” Many of Lightfoot’s albums have achieved gold and multi-platinum status internationally and his songs have been recorded by some of the world’s most renowned artists including Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley, Sarah McLachlan, Barbra Streisand, Peter Paul & Mary, Harry Belafonte, Jane’s Addiction, Richie Havens, Glen Campbell, Toby Keith, Anne Murray, Nana Mouskouri and George Hamilton IV. He has received five Grammy® nominations and seventeen Juno Awards in his native Canada, and was inducted into the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame, among his many other distinctions. Lightfoot is slated to release his first record since 1994 in the spring of 2012.

Bob Seger:

Performing songwriter Bob Seger is universally acknowledged by fans and musicians as one of the defining voices of American music. Some of the classic songs he has penned include, “Against The Wind,“ “Turn The Page,” “Night Moves,” “Hollywood Nights,” “Rock And Roll Never Forgets,” “Katmandu,” “Mainstreet,” “Still The Same,” “We’ve Got Tonight,” “The Fire Down Below,” “Like A Rock,” and “Beautiful Loser,” to name a few. His songs have been recorded by artists such as Metallica, Kid Rock, Tina Turner, Bette Midler, Rod Stewart, Cher, Johnny Hallyday, Martina McBride, Waylon Jennings, Dottie West, The Pointer Sisters, Barry Manilow, Brooks & Dunn, Conway Twitty and Keb’ Mo’. Seger and his Silver Bullet Band have sold more than 51 million records worldwide, with twelve platinum and seven multi-platinum RIAA-certified album sales awards. Seger holds the distinction for the #1 Catalog Album of the Decade (2000-2010) for his Greatest Hits, which has sold more than nine million copies in the U.S. to date, posting an unbroken 17-year streak on Billboard’s Top 200 Albums and Catalog Albums charts. In 1981 Seger won a Grammy® for his song “Against The Wind” in the Best Rock Performance by a Group or Duo category. In 2004 he was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Don Schlitz:

Songwriter Don Schlitz’s first recorded song “The Gambler,” sung by Kenny Rogers, won him the 1978 Grammy® for Country Song of the Year. Randy Travis’ “Forever And Ever, Amen” earned him the same award in 1988. His songbook includes 24 #1 hits, with such country standards as: “On The Other Hand,” “I Feel Lucky,” “Houston Solution,” “One Promise Too Late,” “He Thinks He’ll Keep Her,” “40 Hour Week (For A Livin’),” “Rockin’ With The Rhythm Of The Rain,” “When You Say Nothing At All,” “Deeper Than The Holler,” “Learning To Live Again,” and “Strong Enough To Bend.” His songs have been sung by Reba McEntire, Garth Brooks, Keith Whitley, Alison Krauss, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Tanya Tucker, The Judds and many others. In 2001 he wrote the songs for the Broadway show The Adventures of Tom Sawyer. This four-time ASCAP Country Songwriter of the Year was inducted into the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame in 1993 and the North Carolina Music Hall of Fame in 2010. Schlitz has won three CMA Song of the Year Awards and two ACM Song of Year Awards. Schlitz received the ASCAP Creative Achievement Award in 2007, and in 2010 was honored with the Academy of Country Music’s Poet’s Award for Lifetime Achievement in Songwriting.

Harvey Schmidt & Tom Jones:

Composer Harvey Schmidt and lyricist Tom Jones are the legendary writing team best known for shaping the American musical landscape with their 1960 hit, The Fantasticks. The show, which was awarded Tony Honors for Excellence in Theatre in 1991, is the longest running musical in history. Its best known song “Try To Remember,” has been recorded by hundreds of artists over the decades including Ed Ames, Harry Belafonte, Barbra Streisand and Placido Domingo. “Soon It’s Gonna Rain” and “They Were You” are also among the musical’s most recognized songs, for which Schmidt composed and Jones crafted the lyrics. In 1963 they wrote the Broadway show 110 in the Shade, which earned the duo a Tony Award nomination for Best Composer and Lyricist. I DO! I DO!, their two-character Broadway musical followed in 1967, also earning them a Tony Award nomination for Best Composer and Lyricist. In 1998, the duo was inducted into the American Theatre Hall of Fame. Other awards and honors include an Obie Award, induction into the Broadway Hall of Fame, the ASCAP Richard Rodgers Award, and their “stars” added to the Off-Broadway Walk of Fame outside the Lucille Lortel Theatre in NYC.

Jim Steinman:

Jim Steinman began his writing career in theatre with Joseph Papp and the NY Shakespeare Festival in 1969 after Papp was stunned by Dream Engine, a sensational rock opera Steinman wrote and starred in at Amherst College. Steinman moved to recording in 1977 when he wrote every song on the legendary Bat Out of Hell album sung by Meat Loaf, selling 44 million copies. In 1993 Steinman wrote and produced Bat Out of Hell II: Back Into Hell, which sold 26 million copies. Overall, Steinman’s repertoire has sold more than 190 million records. Top #1 songs include “Total Eclipse Of The Heart,” “Making Love Out Of Nothing At All,” “Paradise By The Dashboard Light,” “I’d Do Anything For Love But I Won’t Do That” and “Two Out Of Three Ain’t Bad.” His “It’s All Coming Back To Me Now” won the 1997 BMI Song Of The Year Award. The same year, he earned a Grammy® for Album Of The Year for his work as producer for Celine Dion’s Falling Into You. Moving back to theatre, Steinman wrote the music for Tanz Der Vampyr, now in its 16th year selling out in Europe. He is currently writing book, music and lyrics for the musical Bat Out Of Hell for Imminent Production and Nutcracked, a heavy metal version of The Nutcracker with lyrics set to a Tchaikovsky score. He also wrote the lyrics for the musical theater production Whistle Down the Wind, with music by Andrew Lloyd Webber, as well as music for films such as Footloose, Streets of Fire, The Shadow and Mask of Zorro.

Posted by April Anderson [SHOF] on 02/21 at 08:04 AM

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02.21.12 @ 18:39pm

There is a link here in the latest rock news section that talks about what wines will accompany the Rock Hall ceremonies.

Am I the only person who thinks it's rather odd that in celebration of a music that claims to be at least a tad decadent, we have articles that suggest the folks throwing this shindig are all gourmands?

Unless they plan on drinking their wine "Spo-Dee- O' Dee" (I believe that's how Jerry Lee had it), I'm wondering when the fop & frill brigade will overrun this ceremony?

Personally, I prefer Chateau Swill - it has an exquisite gutter bouquet that's light on the nose, yet pleasing to the palette...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 02.24.12 @ 19:23pm

How about the Pinot Grigio from France, Cheesecrop? Tastes excellent :)

Posted by Sam on Monday, 02.27.12 @ 19:00pm

I think the HOF did the right thing in inducting the backing groups. It may be 20 years after the fact, but at least some recognition is coming their way.

Posted by danny on Sunday, 03.4.12 @ 18:36pm

does anybody know who and when will they announce the presenters that will present and induct the 2012 rock hall inductees because it is getting to the point where we should know who the presenters are going to be?

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 03.6.12 @ 10:25am

In 2009, they released the presenter list about two weeks before the induction ceremony, so it could be a few more weeks until the announcement this time.

Posted by FRL on Tuesday, 03.6.12 @ 12:57pm

does anybody know who is most likely or their predictions of who will present the inductees for the class of 2012?

Posted by chris on Thursday, 03.8.12 @ 10:18am

The Rock Hall gets their hands slapped -


The latest article, dated 3/14/ By Todd Baptista:


Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 03.15.12 @ 12:57pm


The latest article, dated 3/14/ By Todd Baptista:


Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 03.15.12 @ 12:58pm


Beastie Boys - Chuck D
Donovan - John Mellencamp
Guns N' Roses - ?
Freddie King - Billy Gibbons and Dusty Hill
Don Kirshner - Carole King
Laura Nyro - Bette Middler
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Chris Rock
The Small Faces/Faces - Steven Van Zandt

Cosimo Matassa, Tom Dowd and Glyn Johns - Robbie Robertson
The Blue Caps, The Comets, The Crickets, The Famous Flames, The Midnighters and The Miracles - Smokey Robinson

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 03.20.12 @ 04:12am

Where did you get that list from? And who is Darlene Love performing for and why?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 03.20.12 @ 07:30am

Here is the article from Rolling Stone

Chris Rock to Induct the Red Hot Chili Peppers Into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Better Midler, John Mellencamp, Steve Van Zandt and Robbie Robertson will also speak at the event

By Andy Greene
March 20, 2012 12:05 AM ET
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has announced the presenters for this year's induction ceremony: Chuck D will induct the Beastie Boys, John Mellencamp will induct Donovan, Steve Van Zandt will induct the Small Faces/Faces, Chris Rock will induct the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Bette Midler will induct Laura Nyro, Billy Gibbons and Dusty Hill from ZZ Top will induct Freddie King and Carole King will induct Don Kirshner. They have yet to announce who will induct Guns N' Roses.

For only the third time in it's 26-year history, the Hall of Fame's induction ceremony will be held in Cleveland. The April 14th event will be held at Public Hall and broadcast (in edited form) on HBO on May 5th.

The ceremony will also feature Robbie Robertson inducting Cosimo Matassa, Tom Dowd and Glyn Johns and Smokey Robinson inducting The Blue Caps, the Comets, the Crickets, the Famous Flames, the Midnighters and the Miracles.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 03.20.12 @ 07:36am


Chuck D for Beastie Boys
John Mellencamp for Donovan
Guns N' Roses
Bette Midler for Laura Nyro
Chris Rock for Red Hot Chili Peppers
Steven Van Zandt for The Small Faces / The Faces
Billy Gibbons and Dusty Hill for Freddie King
Carole King for Don Kirshner
Robbie Robertson for Tom Dowd
Robbie Robertson for Cosimo Matassa
Robbie Robertson for Glyn Johns
Smokey Robinson for The Blue Caps
Smokey Robinson for The Comets
Smokey Robinson for The Crickets
Smokey Robinson for The Famous Flames
Smokey Robinson for The Midnighters
Smokey Robinson for The Miracles

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 03.20.12 @ 07:52am

They still don't know who will give the induction speech for Guns N' Roses. Maybe it will be Jann Wenner if GNR decides to change their mind and not show up ala Sex Pistols. Maybe Elton John will induct GNR.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 03.20.12 @ 08:39am

Elton John's guitarist, Davey Johnstone should induct Guns N' Roses.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 03.20.12 @ 08:45am

Did you really need to post the list again?

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 03.20.12 @ 09:23am

Chris Rock for RHCP? Seems random, but interesting nonetheless.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 03.20.12 @ 12:23pm

Elton John has a show in Vegas the night of the induction ceremony. It won't be him.

Posted by FRL on Tuesday, 03.20.12 @ 14:38pm



It's gotten to the point where the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame can be viewed like a private social club that once upon a time had the best of intentions and lofty ideals but along the way became increasingly controlled by a select few who attempted to steer it in a direction to suit their own personal and self-centered needs. In the process it has become the very thing rock 'n' roll itself has always railed against - moldy establishment figures dictating conformity and upholding the status quo, resistant to change and too narrow-minded to see their growing irrelevance as the musical landscape changes around them at lightning speed. Over the past decade the stagnant nominating committee and decrepit voting rolls have systematically turned the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame into a personal referendum on their own limited tastes and shortsighted view of what rock 'n' roll was, is and should be. The late 60's and early 70's period of rock continues to be given far too much attention, unsurprising considering the most visible members of the voting body came of age during that period. The overwhelming white male demographic among the voters perpetuates the racial neglect, as evidenced by the fact that six of the nine white nominated acts made it in this year while just one of the six black artists on the ballot got in, and he, Freddie King, was a bluesman who is far more idolized by white British guitarists than even known to black audiences today. As this disturbing trend continues the Hall of Fame refuses to address its most glaring problem, that those making the selections represent an inordinately small cultural demographic, and compounding the problem further is that by refusing to apply objective standards to the voting process and instead leaving it up to each voter's personal musical taste when casting their ballots the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame has become increasingly open to criticism and worse yet, completely irrelevant to accurately assessing rock history.

While this year's inductees include some very deserving artists, notably Guns N' Roses, The Beastie Boys and Red Hot Chili Peppers, the overall slant of the other artists is so heavily tilted towards the voting body's predictable demographic tastes that it would be widely seen as scandalous if anyone outside a select few took this process seriously anymore. But anyone who truly wants to view the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame as a legitimate historical institution have had their hopes dashed year after year by the voting body's repeated transparent efforts to validate their own myopic tastes, something that reaches its nadir in 2012 with four of the seven inductees.

So congratulations to those responsible for these systematic failings, The Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame's ongoing quest to be treated with respect has sunk to new lows thanks to their own inherent cultural and musical biases. Sadly, while it's an easily remedied problem, the Hall has shown time and again it cares little about historical accuracy and so purging their ranks of those guilty of this ongoing cultural elitism and diversifying the nominating committee and the voting body at large to bring about much needed new blood into the system seems far-fetched at best, and so the slow death of the institution continues unabated. Here then is the autopsy for their credibility:



At least the Hall Of Fame kicks off its inductees alphabetically with a group that is long overdue and entirely justified, but once again until the race issue is finally shown to be a moot point with the Hall Of Fame the question has to be raised - Had the Beastie Boys been black would they have gotten in? Answer: Eric B. & Rakim, equally qualified and more influential rap artists from the same era were on the ballot and they failed to get in. But then that's not the Beasties fault, for while they unquestionably benefitted from their race, both on the ballot for the Hall and historically, as they became the first rap artists to top the album charts at a time when hip-hop was being stigmatized culturally in the mid-80's, they also faced an uphill battle initially for respect within the rap community precisely because they were Caucasian. They quickly proved their mettle however and became legitimate stars in the field, and were among the most experimental in charting new territory, particularly with advances in sampling, while maintaining their high quality across two decades of releases in an increasingly diverse manner. Still in the eight years since anyone from the genre first became eligible, this brings the total hip-hop artists inducted to a measly three, a shameful blight considering how dominant and revolutionary the style of music was from the start. By contrast punk rock, a far less popular and groundbreaking style whose peak was much shorter lived, has five artists in the Hall. It's not for lack of qualified hip-hop candidates either, as this was already the Beastie Boys fourth time on the ballot, and their peers from the 80's rap scene have made numerous appearances as well to date, with the voters showing little awareness or respect to the most culturally significant and enduring popular forms of rock 'n' roll to ever be created. Decades after they fought for their right to party, they had to fight for their right to be properly rewarded for their efforts and even with their official induction this year the fight continues for their brethren.


What are the odds that a 60's act would be elected to the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame? Statistically, almost 100%. In 26 of the 27 years of its existence, there has been at least one inductee whose primary career achievements took place in the 1960's. The one year that failed to qualify was 2006, when Miles Davis, who recorded extensively in the 60's, though it was his 1950's and 70's work that may have taken precedent in his résumé, came closest. Additionally, over the past decade or so, as the most deserving of the 60's artists had long since been enshrined, many of the Hall's most questionable inductees (Darlene Love, The Hollies, Jeff Beck, Buddy Guy, Percy Sledge, The Righteous Brothers, Brenda Lee, Gene Pitney, Dusty Springfield) have continued to come from that era at the expense of the other, far more overlooked, decades since rock's late 40's birth. Now add Donovan to that list. Like some of those others he's not totally undeserving, he was a consistent hit maker, a strong songwriter and seemed to embody the hippy cultural idyll that much of the 60's lore is based on. But whether that is an accurate image of the decade to begin with, and whether Donovan's contributions to the rock scene overall earned him the right to get in, especially over far more qualified candidates of a much more recent vintage, is still debatable. He doesn't have to apologize to anyone for getting in, he at least earned the right to be taken seriously after years of being viewed as a pretentious second rate Bob Dylan, but his presence among this year's inductees points to far greater systematic flaws that marks the Hall's growing cultural isolationism.


Funny that the ultimate symbols of controversy over the course of their stormy career are in fact the least controversial inductees in the class of 2012. There was never any doubt they'd get in, nor any reasonable objections to their qualifications for being deserving of the honor. They were the biggest headline grabbers of their generation, as much for their anti-authority attitude as their platinum selling records, as GnR embodied the rebellious spirit that many feel is rock's most important cultural facet. They also backed that up with music that was wildly popular on a mass level, six Top Ten hits in their brief career, with all of their albums of original material going multi-platinum many times over, while still maintaining their credibility with the anti-consumerism mindset that dominates much of the hard rock audience. Since rock 'n' roll, more than any other style of music, thrives on larger than life figures, conflict and excess, both good and bad, GnR fit the bill as well as any in history and made them infallible candidates. Since bursting onto the scene in the mid-80's, a time when much of the dominant form of music was synthesizer driven, clean-cut and polished for maximum appeal, this bunch of hoodlums, drug addicts and outlaws from the seedy underbelly of the L.A. club scene shook up the music biz, brought riff heavy guitar rock back to the forefront and gave the press a new poster child for decadence... and truly fitting their image, they reveled in it. Unlike many who preceded them as rock 'n' roll bad boys, who seem trite and musically shallow when looking back years later, Guns n' Roses' reputation, both personally and musically, has never waned. The craziness surrounding them made them infamous, but their music made them enduring and earned them their ticket to the Hall.


Here's where the defenders of the Hall of Fame's apartheid-like racial view will bitch and moan in an attempt to claim there's really no bias in the voting because Freddie King is black and made it in. Yet he is the lone black inductee this year. For the record that makes a total of THREE black artists in the past three years, or 11% of those who've gotten in during that time for those keeping score. In 2008 there were no black artists inducted, the second time in the past decade that there's been an all-white class. This for a style of music - rock 'n' roll - invented and popularized by blacks. More damning is the fact that all three of those inductees over this time were far more popular with white audiences than with blacks, and in the case of King, who was a bluesman, not a full-fledged rocker to begin with, he was someone who was idolized by the white British 60's guitarists that the Hall kowtows to. In other words, it wasn't hard to see this one coming. For the record, King was a phenomenal guitar player with two lasting hits to his name, but he was a bluesman and that style of music, while important to rock, has already seen far too many artists get in as Main Performers, often as substitutes for black forms of actual rock music that the voting body remains resistant to properly crediting, such as disco, funk and rap. King's induction no doubt alleviates, at least in the Hall's mind, some of the serious questions regarding the ongoing disproportionate racial makeup of the inductees, when in fact it should only serve to raise more questions. Such as why is it that the only black artists that seem to be assured of making it are those who appeal to the type of white 60's/70's oriented person that is allowed to dominate the voting body? When the focal point of King's induction in the write-ups and the ceremony is his influence on the likes of Eric Clapton and other white guitar gods, that only serves to show where the true heart of the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame lies. King should absolutely be remembered musically, but for the right reasons and in the right way, neither of which is the case here.


Rest easy Leonard Cohen, Ritchie Valens, Neil Diamond and ABBA, no longer are you the Hall of Fame's least qualified Main Inductees and unless they decide to enshrine the likes of Freddie & The Dreamers, Menudo or Fabian, there's not much chance of Laura Nyro losing this dubious honor anytime soon, though if anyone can find a way to do so it'd be this Hall Of Fame. How Nyro was even nominated, not once but three times, is hard enough to fathom. Her hit making career as a singer consisted of a bland cover of the Drifters classic Up On The Roof, which barely reached the Top 100 on the charts, and as a writer she penned hits for the likes of The 5th Dimension, Blood Sweat and Tears, Three Dog Night and Barbra Streisand, which hardly places her in the epicenter of rock 'n' roll. Her influence was nonexistent, for while she was a fairly talented songsmith, that work broke no new ground and implemented no stylistic shifts to the musical landscape, which is where influence is derived. Her most notable moment in the spotlight during her career, an appearance at the Monterey Pop Festival, was widely considered a disaster, and in the annals of rock history her presence is insignificant at best. Was she without talent? Of course not, she could write and she could sing, and she released some fairly well-received, though poor selling, albums, but that's a résumé that literally hundreds, if not thousands, of artists can easily top. How on earth could anyone justify having Nyro in when Joe Tex, who wrote every one of his 27 hits, all of which were far bigger than her lone cover version hit, and was very influential stylistically as well, failed to get elected the four times he was on the ballot? Just confining it to women, Salt-n-Pepa haven't even been nominated yet since first becoming eligible a few years back, despite huge influence in breaking ground for female MC's in rap and having a string of hits that remain widely known decades later, while nothing in Nyro's career accomplishments come remotely close to those achievements. More pressing, how could voters ignore Donna Summer for the fourth time this year when she was by far the most popular female artist in all of rock over a ten year stretch, writing much of her own material no less, totally defining the most dominant style of music during her era, while by contrast very few music fans who grew up during Nyro's productive period were even aware she existed? There are no answers, only more troubling questions. Message to Pat Boone, get your speech ready as you now have a legitimate chance at making the Hall of Fame, because if Laura Nyro's in without doing anything to deserve even remote consideration then apparently anyone can make it.


Finally another eminently worthy inductee. Three out of seven isn't bad, is it? Well actually, yeah, it is, but the overall disgraceful quality of the Class of 2012 shouldn't detract from the Chili Peppers legitimate qualifications for enshrinement. However even in this case it wasn't as easy as it should've been for them to make it, as two years ago they were passed over on their first appearance on the ballot, but the much maligned voters rectified their mistake rather quickly for once, bringing this year's inductions some desperately needed credibility in the process. Their credentials should've made them shoo-ins from the start, after being lumped in with the alternative movement as the 90's dawned, they quickly showed they were far more versatile than most in that field. Unwilling to be confined to any one narrow stylistic compartment, their meshing of influences from funk to punk to elements of rap, hard rock, metal and alternative, along with having some of their most notable songs done in an acoustic setting, kept them from ever becoming stale and made them among the most interesting bands of their time. Their musical chops, in particular Flea's work on bass, can stand with anyone, and their songwriting was always first-rate. The RHCP's often controversial stage shows and mix of tender, intricate ballads and harder riff-oriented rave ups made them among the last few generation's most notable bands, sometimes taken for granted or obscured by the glow of a few shorter-lived shooting stars. All this despite enduing an unusual amount of turmoil, with death and detox, members coming and going and coming back again, while still maintaining a remarkable consistency and popularity that finds them every bit as relevant in the 21st Century as they were when they first hit big in the late 80's and by all rights will be expected to add to their already stellar credentials in the years ahead.


If Nyro is unquestionably the most unqualified inductee this year, and Donovan the most emblematic of the Hall's voters personal affinity for a specific era, and King the token minority aimed at keeping the critics at bay while still not betraying their devotion to their own musical interests, then the Small Faces/Faces selection is simply the Hall's "Ahh, fck it, let's put them in, we can do whatever the hell we want to anyway" inductee that exemplifies the voting body's collective arrogance when it comes to their dismissal of any objective standards. It's not that the Faces assemblage doesn't have some merit as artists. They were fairly successful, much more so in Great Britain than America, and they had an impressive roster over the years, featuring not just previous solo inductee Rod Stewart, who became lead singers of the reformed Faces, but also longtime Rolling Stones guitarist Ron Wood, as well as original Small Faces visionary Steve Marriott, later of Humble Pie. For those reasons some moderate consideration had to be given them, even though they'd still fall well short. The real issue is their induction over far more qualified candidates on the ballot this year and what that, along with the other aforementioned dubious inductees, signifies. Simply look at the characteristics of the six (out of eight) who didn't make the final cut who have far greater qualifications than the Faces and you doesn't have to be a conspiracy theorist to see the skewed pattern at work. It is inarguable the Hall has an overwhelming racial bias, both for individual artists and the successful rock styles that are continually snubbed. This year the Spinners, Rufus with Chaka Khan, Donna Summer, Eric B. & Rakim and War were all objectively superior candidates than the Faces (more successful in four out of five cases, more influential in every instance and all of whom were absolute cornerstones of their vital respective styles), yet all were minorities and they got sent to the back of the bus yet again in favor of another white act. The other remaining artist with more in the way of credentials who got left out, Heart, who are white, had the misfortune of having much of their respected rock legacy be compromised by the negative view of their later ballads, a form the Hall voters are always uneasy about, feeling that balladry equals pop-sellout. By contrast look at what the Faces represent - the late 60's/early 70's British reinterpretation (some would say misrepresentation) of black American music, which voters and white critics are always more comfortable praising than the authentic form under their very noses. Add the earlier Small Faces incarnation that was even more Anglo in nature and the fact they have such big names in their midst, even though two of those names are already in the Hall, and it's easy to see why a voting body made up of people who are devoted to that constituency and for years now have constantly rewarded that area of rock to a far greater degree than its earned, would give them a pass while ignoring the more significant achievements of artists outside its comfort zone. The Faces can make an outside case for their inclusion, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny when the candidates they beat out to sneak in this year all easily trump their rather shaky credentials. As an underserving inductee their inclusion itself isn't horribly offensive, but when the underlying voter rationale becomes apparent the offense becomes far less tolerable and it winds up being yet another black eye for the institution.


Tom Dowd

Coinciding with this year's Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame selections, the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame announced that, after years of failing to get in despite being thoroughly deserving, former Cubs third baseman Ron Santo was finally elected by the "golden era committee"... a year almost to the day after he died. Long the Baseball Hall of Fame's most visibly egregious oversight, this honor comes too late for Santo to enjoy it, as he rightfully deserved to, during his lifetime. A similar point can be made for Dowd, who was without question the single most important engineer in rock history, perhaps in all of music history in general. He got his start working on the nascent nuclear bomb program in World War Two before taking his vast technical knowledge to the music world where he helped to build Atlantic Records into the most respected company in the business. Along the way he was among the pioneers in stereo recording, eight track, 16 track and 32 track recording, just about every advancement made between the mid-50's and mid-70's in fact, and, just for good measure, as a trained musician himself, he acted as producer for dozens of major sessions, from Aretha Franklin to Lynyrd Skynyrd, including coming up with the Indian beat that turned Cream's "Sunshine Of Your Love" into a hit. No one behind the knobs was more versatile, talented, or personally beloved by artists than the affable Dowd. But he died a few years ago having watched the men whose careers he helped make with his expertise, Ahmet and Nesuhi Ertegun, Jerry Wexler, along with so many artists, get inducted into the Hall while he was cruelly left out in his lifetime. The accolade itself is entirely deserved, he is, even more than headliners Guns n' Roses, the single most qualified of this year's inductees, but a posthumous enshrinement is bittersweet, and in his case, totally unnecessary. Too often the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame does this - recently with Jesse Stone - and as much as any of its faults, it's this habit which is most shameful and most easily remedied.

Don Kirshner

Excuse me? Could you repeat that? Don Kirshner? In the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame? Is this a joke? It'd be hard in a year where Laura Nyro gets inducted for anyone to compete for the most bewildering undeserving selection, but Don Kirshner may just pull it off. Like Dowd, Kirshner is another inductee who is recently deceased, but unlike Dowd, virtually everyone involved is glad that Kirshner's gone and won't be around to further taint the ceremonies with his presence. Known as the man with the golden ear, Kirshner was a song plugger from the famed Brill Building during it's early 60's heyday when it was churning out hit after hit for dozens of rock artists. He started Aldon Records, a publishing house, which signed many of the hottest up and coming writers, but a publisher, while a vital entity in the music business, is by no means a creative endeavor, but rather a business enterprise. He was in no way personally responsible for any of the hits his writers submitted, other than possibly as the final arbiter of their potential. He didn't write the lyrics, he didn't write the music, he didn't write the arrangements, he simply wrote the checks and then, most tellingly, CASHED the checks those songs written by others reaped in publishing royalties. His primary claim to fame was creating the Monkees, the group and TV series, which was the most reviled concept of its era by the newly formed rock critic contingent, who oddly enough are now voting for the Hall Of Fame. Yet while that group has never recovered from its initial image problem, despite being among the most popular, innovative and yes, influential groups of their era (pioneers in music videos, the Moog synthesizer and country-rock), Kirshner, who strove to keep them locked into rigid formula and stifle any and all attempts at artistic creativity, was ultimately fired for his stringency. Bitter at his ouster, he then got his wish for total control over an artist however by creating another group, the Archies, but in order to not have to actually deal with such nuisances as human beings he presented them as cartoons with anonymous session singers who couldn't overrule his authority. So essentially Kirshner gets rewarded with an induction to The Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame for giving the world the hit Sugar Sugar and the bubblegum teen pop of that era when all along he was one of the most reviled men in the business. Somewhere Mike Nesmith just put his fist through a wall in frustration.

Cosimo Matassa

The Hall of Fame gets criticized no matter what they do, which is to be expected when deciding (often arbitrarily) on whom to bestow immortality in a field of music that inspires so much devotional passion as rock 'n' roll. Which is why those complaining about its questionable decisions need to look at each case individually using purely objective measures of an artist's career, eliminating their personal taste as much as humanly possible when deciding on a candidate's merits. Either someone's achievements are easily proven or they're not, and that should be the only standard that applies, regardless of one's own tastes or musical interests. When these criteria aren't followed, and too often they fail to come close to any reasonable standard of qualification, the Hall deserves every ounce of criticism leveled at them. They hear it too, though they are reluctant to admit they pay it any attention, and are adamant about clinging to the source of their problems in maintaining the current nominating committee and voting body. However, history has shown that they often use the secondary categories, which are not put to a general vote as the Main Performers are, to try and blunt some of that criticism each year. When the artists in a particular class are all white they'll name a black producer to prevent the ceremonies from looking like Lester Maddox's family reunion. When women are nowhere to be seen among the performers they'll name a female songwriter, or possibly even manipulate the entire voting process to get Wanda Jackson in as an Early Influence. And when, year after year, their glaring historical blind spots are brought up, the Hall tries to placate its critics by scanning the Non-Performers categories and cherry picking a long overdue candidate for induction, hoping perhaps to shut certain voices up... (ah-hem). Well, good. If that's what it takes to get Cosimo Mattassa in the Hall Of Fame, where he deserved to be twenty five years ago, then everyone out there with an appreciation for the full history of rock music should keep on complaining as loudly as ever. Mattassa was one of the first, and certainly the most important, of the independent rock studio owners and engineers. His J&M Studios in New Orleans housed sessions for the cream of the crop of 50's rock icons, from Fats Domino to Little Richard. Producers craved the sound he got from his makeshift setup, artists appreciated the personal touch he lent them and record companies respected the fact that no studio churned out more hits than his. So why did it take so long for Mattassa to make the cut? Maybe we didn't yell loud enough. Will his induction shut us up and get us to stop complaining about the many injustices the Hall perpetuates every year? Not by a long shot, but for a moment at least, when Mattassa's name is called and he takes his rightful place in the Hall, we'll be quiet and join others in paying our respects for his accomplishments as he so rightly deserves.


No doubt people get tired of reading the same complaints each year about the Hall of Fame's dismal record centered around a lack of historical accuracy, troubling racial injustice and preferential treatment for the idols and bygone teen crushes of its voting members. Truthfully, it gets even more tiresome writing about it year after year. But if the Hall of Fame wants to be taken seriously, and by all accounts it does, then it needs to have its built-in systematic flaws and biases corrected once and for all and to have any hope of doing that they apparently need to be continually called out on their shortcomings. It's fully understood that nobody will ever agree with all selections, no matter the qualifications of those inductees, because properly crediting achievement runs counter to the subjective tastes of following music as a fan, but certain standards for an artist's credentials can always be objectively weighed and must be insisted upon, and certainly who is doing the selecting, what their agenda is, and the demographics of the voting body and the corresponding blind spots they're shown to have can all be easily remedied. Greater diversity in the voting rolls in terms of age, background, gender, race and point of origin... A revolving nominating committee to ensure differing perspectives in naming the candidates to the ballot each year... A few clearly defined procedural changes to guarantee its integrity. If these alterations were to be enacted would there still be complaints over who makes it in? Of course, but the methods for arriving at those selections would stand up to intense scrutiny, something which can not be said now and which causes the Hall to crumble in dishonor a little more each year.

Ultimately a Hall Of Fame that treats induction as the ultimate award reserved only for the most deserving candidates is a much greater monument to the legacy of rock 'n' roll than anything tainted by rampant cronyism, whispers of voting irregularities, a lack of definable criteria, outright biases and widespread corruption. A Hall of Fame that doesn't insist upon the highest standards in its methods of operation can't ever expect to be afforded the respect it seeks from others. Until it strives to get to that point it will always face entirely justifiable criticism and unfortunately this year was no exception.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 03.20.12 @ 16:15pm

when in doubt, play the race card.

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 03.20.12 @ 17:20pm

I am sure many will agree,that the RRHF do a darn go job picking such great talent!

Posted by Happy on Tuesday, 03.20.12 @ 22:35pm

I ment good job lol. darn it
It is almost impossible to make everyone happy!
Thank goodness we have them, it's a tough job

Posted by Happy on Tuesday, 03.20.12 @ 22:39pm

What if Queen or Bernie Taupin induct Guns N' Roses?

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 03.21.12 @ 22:27pm

I wonder if Smokey Robinson will be giving the induction speech for The Miracles separately from induction speech for The Blue Caps, The Comets, The Crickets, The Famous Flames, and The Midnighters. That is how it should be done.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 07:48am

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 2012 Induction Ceremony: Tease #2

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 08:14am

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 2012 Induction Ceremony: Tease #1

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 08:18am

The 2012 Nominees video from NBC

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 08:29am

lol they made a gaffe in teaser number 2. As they scroll down the previous inductees, you can clearly see Ella Fitgerald's name when she hasn't even been inducted.

Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 08:31am

Someone at HBO wants Ella Fitzgerald inducted!!

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 10:37am

Ella SHOULD be inducted as an Early Influence. Her "influence" factor is through the ROOF !! Her style of "scat singing " has influenced everyone From Basia and Mel Torme to Natalie Cole and The Intruders !! Yes to Ella !!!

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 14:29pm

Seriously? “We won’t actually be going on stage to accept for my grandfather because they’ll have one person doing that for all the groups."


Who are you talking about?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 03.26.12 @ 10:26am

HBO removed their teaser that showed Ella Fitzgerald as an inductee and uploaded a new one.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 03.30.12 @ 21:00pm

April has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 04.1.12 @ 10:53am

When does Liam Gallagher inducting Guns N' Roses become official?

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 04.1.12 @ 21:30pm

Never. Green Day are doing it. An odd choice, but making far more sense than the idea of LG doing it. As far as I'm aware he's never even met any of GNR, plus Oasis' music was so different to that... where does these ridiculous rumors even come from?

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 04.3.12 @ 18:55pm


Chuck D for Beastie Boys
John Mellencamp for Donovan
Green Day for Guns N' Roses
Bette Midler for Laura Nyro
Chris Rock for Red Hot Chili Peppers
Steven Van Zandt for The Small Faces / The Faces
Billy Gibbons and Dusty Hill for Freddie King
Carole King for Don Kirshner
Robbie Robertson for Tom Dowd
Robbie Robertson for Cosimo Matassa
Robbie Robertson for Glyn Johns
Smokey Robinson for The Blue Caps
Smokey Robinson for The Comets
Smokey Robinson for The Crickets
Smokey Robinson for The Famous Flames
Smokey Robinson for The Midnighters
Smokey Robinson for The Miracles

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 04.3.12 @ 21:47pm

Here is Axl Rose's open letter regarding the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame:

To: The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

When the nominations for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame were first announced I had mixed emotions but, in an effort to be positive, wanting to make the most of things for the fans and with their enthusiasm, I was honored, excited and hoped that somehow this would be a good thing. Of course I realized as things stood, if Guns N' Roses were to be inducted it'd be somewhat of a complicated or awkward situation.

Since then we've listened to fans, talked with members of the board of the Hall Of Fame, communicated with and read various public comments and jabs from former members of Guns N' Roses, had discussions with the president of the Hall Of Fame, read various press (some legit, some contrived) and read other artists' comments weighing in publicly on Guns and the Hall with their thoughts.

Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out. Taking into consideration the history of Guns N' Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make), and how (albeit no easy task) those involved with the Hall have handled things... no offense meant to anyone but the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected.

For the record, I would not begrudge anyone from Guns their accomplishments or recognition for such. Neither I or anyone in my camp has made any requests or demands of the Hall Of Fame. It's their show not mine.

That said, I won't be attending The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction 2012 Ceremony and I respectfully decline my induction as a member of Guns N' Roses to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf. Neither former members, label representatives nor the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame should imply whether directly, indirectly or by omission that I am included in any purported induction of "Guns N' Roses".

This decision is personal. This letter is to help clarify things from my and my camp's perspective. Neither is meant to offend, attack or condemn. Though unfortunately I'm sure there will be those who take offense (God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout), I certainly don't intend to disappoint anyone, especially the fans, with this decision. Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around.

In regard to a reunion of any kind of either the Appetite or Illusion lineups, I've publicly made myself more than clear. Nothing's changed.

The only reason, at this point, under the circumstances, in my opinion whether under the guise of "for the fans" or whatever justification of the moment, for anyone to continue to ask, suggest or demand a reunion are misguided attempts to distract from our efforts with our current lineup of myself, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba.

Izzy came out with us a few times back in '06 and I invited him to join us at our LA Forum show last year. Steven was at our show at the Hard Rock, later in '06 in Las Vegas, where I invited him to our after-party and was rewarded with his subsequent interviews filled with reunion lies. Lesson learned. Duff joined us in 2010 and again in '11 along with his band, Loaded, opening in Seattle and Vancouver. For me, with the exception of Izzy or Duff joining us on stage if they were so inclined somewhere in the future for a song or two, that's enough.

There's a seemingly endless amount of revisionism and fantasies out there for the sake of self-promotion and business opportunities masking the actual realities. Until every single one of those generating from or originating with the earlier lineups has been brought out in the light, there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion.

Maybe if it were you it'd be different. Maybe you'd do it for this reason or that. Peace, whatever. I love our band now. We're there for each other when the going get's rough. We love our fans and work to give them every ounce of energy and heart we can.

So let sleeping dogs lie or lying dogs sleep or whatever. Time to move on. People get divorced. Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense.

But hey if ya gotta then maybe we can get the "no show, grandstanding, publicity stunt, disrespectful, he doesn't care about the fans" crap out of the way as quickly as we can and let's move on. No one's taking the ball and going home. Don't get it twisted. For more than a decade and a half we've endured the double standards, the greed of this industry and the ever present seemingly limitless supply of wannabes and unscrupulous, irresponsible media types. Not to imply anything in this particular circumstance, but from my perspective in regard to both the Hall and a reunion, the ball's never been in our court.

In closing, regardless of this decision and as hard to believe or as ironic as it may seem, I'd like to sincerely thank the board for their nomination and their votes for Guns' induction. More importantly I'd like to thank the fans for being there over the years, making any success we've had possible and for enjoying and supporting Guns N' Roses music.

I wish the Hall a great show, congratulations to all the other artists being inducted and to our fans we look forward to seeing you on tour!!


Axl Rose

P.S. RIP Armand, Long Live ABC III

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Wednesday, 04.11.12 @ 16:42pm

They already have his signature in the induction wall after you the leave the hall of fame viewing area. I don't know if they'll take it out.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 04.11.12 @ 16:53pm

I was looking forward to an outright brawl on stage. Oh well.

Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 04.11.12 @ 17:41pm

Give baby his bottle. No MTV tonight, straight to bed.

Posted by classicrocker on Wednesday, 04.11.12 @ 20:15pm

Rock Hall completes the bios of the 2012 inductees and announces the inducted members of the bands:

The Small Faces/The Faces

Kenney Jones (drums; born September 16, 1948), Ronnie Lane (bass, vocals; born April 1, 1946, died June 4, 1997), Ian McLagan (keyboards; born May 12, 1945), Steve Marriott (vocals, guitar; born January 30, 1947, died April 20, 1991), Rod Stewart (vocals; born January 10, 1945), Ron Wood (guitar, vocals; born June 1,1947)

Guns N' Roses

Steven Adler (drums; born January 22, 1965), Michael Andrew “Duff” McKagan (bass; born February 5, 1964), Darren Arthur “Dizzy” Reed (keyboards; born June 18, 1963), William “Axl” Rose (vocals, piano; born February 6, 1962), Saul Hudson aka Slash (guitar; born July 23, 1965), Matt Sorum drums; born November 19, 1960), Jeff Isbell aka Izzy Stradlin (guitar; born April 8, 1962)

Red Hot Chili Peppers

Michael Balzary aka Flea (bass; born October 16, 1962), John Frusciante (guitar; born March 5, 1970), Jack Irons (drums; born July 18, 1962), Anthony Kiedis (vocals; born November 1, 1962), Josh Klinghoffer (guitar; born October 3, 1979), Cliff Martinez (drums; born February 5, 1954), Hillel Slovak (guitar; born April 13, 1962, died June 25, 1988), Chad Smith (drums; born October 25, 1962)

Beastie Boys

Adam Yauch aka MCA (vocals, bass; born August 5, 1964), Michael Diamond aka Mike D (vocals, drums; born November 20, 1966), Adam Horowitz aka ADROCK (vocals, guitar; born October 31, 1966)

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 04.11.12 @ 23:13pm

Pay attention Hall of Fame!!…

Ringo Starr – Seven (7) Top Ten Singles - Ten (10) Top Forty Singles

Beastie Boys – One (1) Top Ten Single - Two (2) Top Forty Singles

Donovan - Four (4) Top Ten Singles - Eleven (11) Top Forty Singles

Laura Nyro - Zero (0) Top Ten Singles – Zero (0) Top Forty Singles - only One (1) song to ever hit the charts at #92 for two weeks!!

Lets start with the fact that:

a) 7 of his first 8 singles were in the US top 10, with 6 in the Top 5;

b) '92's Weight of the World hit 43 on the US Rock charts; e)and his last 7 albums are among his best though largely ignored (as are Pauls and Julians) by the US radio czars, with 4 charting in the US top 100 - with 2010's Y Not peaking at #58!

c) Ringo 2012 made the ranked in the top 100 this year – he is still going strong!!
Not to mention the obvious…

d) the Beatles actively sought out and recruited Ringo;

e) each of the others chose to work with him on both theirs and his solo projects;

f) drummers everywhere state Ringo as a major influence!

What more do you need??

Pay attention Hall of Fame!!

Posted by ratio on Thursday, 04.12.12 @ 09:08am

CLEVELAND (April 12, 2012) – Today, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announces an additional presenter and some artists who will perform at the 2012 Inductions. The 27th Annual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony will take place on Saturday, April 14 in Cleveland and premiere on HBO on Saturday, May 5 (9-11:30 p.m. EST/PST). In addition, HBO Signature will present a 24-hour marathon of the HBO special, beginning at midnight that same day, and concluding Sunday, May 6 at midnight.

The following artists are the newest additions to this year’s show:

• Faces (Kenney Jones, Ian McLagan, Rod Stewart, Ronnie Wood) to perform
• Donovan to perform with John Mellencamp
• Red Hot Chili Peppers to perform
• Billy Gibbons and Dusty Hill of ZZ Top along with Joe Bonamassa and Derek Trucks to perform for Freddie King
• Darlene Love to perform for Don Kirshner
• In addition, LL Cool J, along with Chuck D, to induct the Beastie Boys

The full list of currently announced performers, presenters and inductees with the newest announcements noted is below:

• Beastie Boys will be inducted by Chuck D (new addition: LL Cool J to present)
• Guns N’ Roses will be inducted by Green Day
• Donovan will be inducted by John Mellencamp (new addition: both to perform)
• Small Faces/The Faces will be inducted by Stevie Van Zandt (new addition: The Small Faces/Faces to perform)
• Red Hot Chili Peppers will be inducted by Chris Rock (new addition: Red Hot Chili Peppers to perform)
• Laura Nyro will be inducted by Bette Midler
• Freddie King will be inducted by Billy Gibbons and Dusty Hill (new addition: Billy Gibbons and Dusty Hill to perform)
• Don Kirshner will be inducted by Carole King (new addition: Darlene Love to perform)
• Cosimo Matassa, Tom Dowd, Glyn Johns will be inducted by Robbie Robertson
• The Blue Caps, the Comets, the Crickets, the Famous Flames, the Midnighters and the Miracles will be inducted by Smokey Robinson

More details about performances, additional presenters and special guests will be announced at a later date.

Leading up to the April 14th ceremony, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame hosts more than a week of special events, including the grand opening of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s new Library and Archives; tours of the newly-redesigned museum interior space; the unveiling of Grateful Dead: The Long, Strange Trip exhibition; a Rock My Soul gospel tribute honoring Kirk Franklin; a free concert for Cleveland featuring inductee George Clinton and Parliament Funkadelic, plus Kid Cudi and Kids These Days; live performances from inductee Bootsy Collins as well as Girl Talk; and a special series of education programs designed to teach students across the nation about the history and impact of rock and roll.

For more information regarding the inductees and 27th Annual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductions, visit

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 04.12.12 @ 22:39pm

How could they let a tool like axel rose in on the first ballot and keep KISS waiting 13 years.
disgrace. Youtube travesty of justice KISS and the rock and roll hall of fame

Posted by Corey Macri on Friday, 04.13.12 @ 19:29pm

Who's the guy singing in place of Axl??

Posted by AS on Sunday, 04.15.12 @ 00:09am

It is Myles Kennedy from Slash's band.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 04.15.12 @ 00:25am

Claudette Calls herself the First Lady of Motown (no applause) and Matt Sorum mentions Deep Purple (applause) at the 2012 Rock Hall induction ceremony.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 04.15.12 @ 07:55am

Questlove mentions Kiss and Blue Oyster Cult

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 04.15.12 @ 08:14am


Posted by Roy on Sunday, 04.15.12 @ 20:58pm

Why hasn't the Rock Hall posted photos yet on their pages for

The Crickets
The Famous Flames
The Midnighters
The Comets
The Blue Caps
The Miracles
Glyn Johns

Posted by Roy on Monday, 04.16.12 @ 06:45am

The Rock Hall has gone back to including timelines with inductee bios. This year's class has timelines.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 04.19.12 @ 10:21am

"Why hasn't the Rock Hall posted photos yet on their pages for

The Crickets
The Famous Flames
The Midnighters
The Comets
The Blue Caps
The Miracles "

Posted by Roy.

Probably because any photos that exist of these groups are WITH their lead singers. Those photos would be misleading beacuse the lead singers AREN'T being inducted this year...They're already in.

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 04.22.12 @ 13:19pm

Bill G. wrote:
"Why hasn't the Rock Hall posted photos yet on their pages for

The Crickets
The Famous Flames
The Midnighters
The Comets
The Blue Caps
The Miracles "

Posted by Roy.

Probably because any photos that exist of these groups are WITH their lead singers. Those photos would be misleading beacuse the lead singers AREN'T being inducted this year...They're already in.

Bill G. I got an email from the rock hall and they said they were still waiting to get permission to use the photos.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 04.22.12 @ 19:59pm

"Bill G. I got an email from the rock hall and they said they were still waiting to get permission to use the photos"

Posted by Roy.

Be sure to tell them to use a photo that includes ALL SIX ORIGINAL MIRACLES...MARV was left out of the photo in the Museum. I saw it there last week.

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 04.23.12 @ 01:35am

2013 induction ceremony they need to put kiss or deep purple in or induct a prog rock band like yes or rush, because this is getting ridiculous

Posted by chris on Monday, 04.23.12 @ 16:05pm

We could use some help with some research... We're trying to put together a comprehensive list of inductees who didn't perform at the induction ceremony, but had somebody else do a couple of songs in their place (like Metallica did for Black Sabbath in '06 or Phish for Genesis last year).

Feel free to post them here, via Twitter, or send them through the Contact page. Please include a source if you have one (a YouTube video, a NY Times article, etc.)

Here are some that we already know about:
All of the 2012 ones
Van Halen : Velvet Revolver
Madonna : The Stooges
Genesis : Phish
Black Sabbath : Metallica
Ramones : Green Day

Also let us know if there were certain artists who didn't perform at all, and none of their music was peformed live at the ceremony (like Run-DMC).


Posted by Future Rock Legends on Tuesday, 04.24.12 @ 13:37pm

I think Heart played for Led Zeppelin. Can't find a video though.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 04.24.12 @ 14:18pm
Led Zeppelin performed themselves in '95.

Posted by FRL on Tuesday, 04.24.12 @ 14:44pm

Bill G. attended the 2012 Rock Hall ceremony. Bill G, what was the order of inductions at the ceremony

Posted by Roy on Monday, 04.30.12 @ 19:47pm




Posted by Roy on Monday, 04.30.12 @ 19:54pm

What was the order of inductions?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 04.30.12 @ 23:39pm


Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 05.5.12 @ 12:00pm

The HBO page for the 2012 Rock And Roll Hall of Fame

Posted by Roy on Monday, 05.7.12 @ 06:42am

I guess this means The Monkees, Donna Summer and Whitney Houston will all be inducted next year.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 05.18.12 @ 10:41am

The 2013 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

The Monkees
Donna Summer
Whitney Houston
Dionne Warwick
Janet Jackson
Quincy Jones
Burt Bacharach and Hal David
Giorgio Moroder

Chic because of the disco connection to Donna Summer, and Nile Rogers is recovering from cancer treatment.

Dionne Warwick because she is Whitney Houston's older cousin, and she deserved to be in there before Whitney Houston. Seniority.

Janet Jackson and Quincy Jones because Michael Jackson died recently.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 05.20.12 @ 05:25am

Jesus christ how horrifying.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 05.20.12 @ 08:10am

Also you really think Dionne will beat PE, N.W.A or The Pixies?

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 05.20.12 @ 09:05am

It's an interesting proposition, Roy. However, I don't think the Hall would let a year go by without acknowledging at least one rock act/band. I'm hoping that it'll finally be Deep Purple. Especially with Slash campaigning for them and all.

The Hall can't ignore Deep Purple forever! (Or can they?)

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 05.20.12 @ 11:49am

I certainly hope not!

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 05.20.12 @ 12:59pm

Death or not, Roy's prediction even with Public Enemy et al is still more than enough to piss off true 1970s classic rock fans once again and unfortunately there was nothing prog related on their ballot this year, so if people think 2011-2012 got a lot of backlash, you ain't seen nothin' yet, the Rock Hall will continue becoming irrelevant!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 05.20.12 @ 14:23pm

Green Day inducts Guns N' Roses

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 05.22.12 @ 20:31pm

Green Day inducts Guns N' Roses

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 05.22.12 @ 20:38pm

Chuck D and LL Cool J induct The Beastie Boys

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 05.22.12 @ 20:41pm

Steven Van Zandt inducts The Small Faces/The Faces

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 05.22.12 @ 20:44pm

Bette Midler inducts Laura Nyro

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 05.22.12 @ 20:47pm

my 2013 rock and roll hall of fame nominees:

deep purple
the monkees
donna summer
cat stevens
the cure
the spinners
ll cool J
bon jovi
public enemy
Joan jett
and hall and oates

and my predictions:

deep purple
the monkees
the spinnners
donna summer

Posted by chris on Friday, 06.8.12 @ 11:55am

My list of 2013 inductees:

Donna Summer (posthumously)
Heart (two sisters who had dominated a band, whose great singles are still being played on the radio)
Rush (their long term snub is starting to reach critical mass, even Rolling Stone magazine readers are in favor of this. Rush was voted greatest prog rock of all time by their readers). They are ranked third in most consecutive gold and platinum albums behind The Beatles and The Rolling Stones.
Yes (IMHO, if you induct Rush, then you absolutely must induct Yes), but probably not necessarily in 2013.
Yes was instrumental in starting prog rock, plus 90125 was a danceable hit album.

I think that The Moody Blues deserve a nod also, for inventing the "prog rock" genre, but inducting Rush and Supertramp should push the Moodies and Procol Harum, in within the next several years. Compared to the amount of time that they have waited, this will be relatively soon. Technically, Rush is not really heavy metal, and most of their songs are not that hard anyway.

Although one could argue for King Crimson as well,
"ITCOCK," "Red" and "Discipline" are bonafide masterpieces.
Supertramp sold millions of albums, especially "Crime Of The Century" and "Breakfast In America." therefore they are the most likely prog band to get in this year.
Monkees (Davy Jones will be inducted posthumously)

Posted by Keith on Sunday, 06.10.12 @ 02:12am

gee, what a wonderful way to ignore all the very deserving people eligible next year.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 06.10.12 @ 06:51am


Keith isn't even trying to hide his bias, that's for sure!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 06.10.12 @ 09:27am

It's ridiculous, not a single band their started after 1980!

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 06.10.12 @ 10:27am

My picks for 2013 (strictly IMHO, so don't complain if you don't see any of your favorites):


Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Roxy Music
Cliff Richard and the Shadows
The Cars
Public Enemy (like it or not, rap has its place in the hall, just dreck like 50 Cent and Wiz Khalifa)
Donna Summer
The Runaways

Early Influence:

Wynonie Harris


Don Cornelius


Mick Ronson

Posted by Zach on Sunday, 06.10.12 @ 19:42pm

What I meant to say was "rap has its place, just not dreck like 50 Cent and Wiz Khalifa."

Posted by Zach on Sunday, 06.10.12 @ 19:46pm

i would induct yes before rush since they really began the prog rock movement along with pink floyd and genesis

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 06.13.12 @ 10:19am

Tonight is the 2012 Songwriters Hall of Fame induction ceremony at the Marriott Marquis Hotel in New York City.

Lyle Lovett will be inducting Gordon Lightfoot. Lyle Lovett and Gordon Lightfoot will both be performing. Meatloaf will induct and perform for Jim Steinman. Kenny Rogers and Emmylou Harris will be speaking and/or performing for Don Schlitz. It hasn't been stated yet what Dave Grohl and Stevie Nicks will be doing there though for Bob Seger. Not clear yet who will induct Harvey Schmidt & Tom Jones, but Cheyenne Jackson, Constantine Maroulis, L.P., Jerry Moss and Take 6 have signed on to be either a presenter and/or performer at the 2012 Songwriters Hall of Fame Annual Induction and Awards Dinner as well.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 06.14.12 @ 08:45am

Yes, I will admit that I am a progressive rock aficionado; I have been one since 1980, or did I become one when first introduced to "Hemispheres," in February, 1979.

My favorite bands presently are: Yes, Rush, Pink Floyd, Genesis, The Moody Blues, Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, ELP, Jefferson Airplane, Fleetwood Mac, Procol Harum, Alan Parsons Project, Supertramp, Kansas, Talking Heads and Styx.

My favorite solo artists are: Peter Gabriel, Sting and Stevie Nicks.

I also really like Cars, Roxy Music, Duran Duran, Asia, Heart, Andreas Vollenweider and Yanni.

I can accept the nominations of Dick Dale, SRV and others.

I am not an aficionado of "heavy metal," nor "rap."

Posted by Keith on Saturday, 06.16.12 @ 12:15pm

Don't mean those two genres don't deserve to be in.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 06.16.12 @ 13:00pm

Yes, I will admit that I am a progressive rock aficionado; I have been one since 1980, or did I become one when first introduced to "Hemispheres," in February, 1979.

My favorite bands presently are: Yes, Rush, Pink Floyd, Genesis, The Moody Blues, Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, ELP, Jefferson Airplane, Fleetwood Mac, Procol Harum, Alan Parsons Project, Supertramp, Kansas, Talking Heads and Styx.

My favorite solo artists are: Peter Gabriel, Sting and Stevie Nicks.

I also really like Cars, Roxy Music, Duran Duran, Asia, Heart, Andreas Vollenweider and Yanni.

I can accept the nominations of Dick Dale, SRV and others.

I am not an aficionado of "heavy metal," nor "rap."

Posted by Keith on Saturday, 06.16.12 @ 15:59pm

what is everyones predictions for the 2013 rock and roll hall of fame?

Posted by chris on Friday, 06.29.12 @ 13:44pm

Hey Chris, here is my prediction for 2013

2. Peter Gabriel
3. Donna Summer
4. Whitney Houston
5. Public Enemy

Posted by Kyle on Friday, 06.29.12 @ 14:34pm

N.W.A or the Pixies might have a shot as well as PE (who are a lock) probably pixies, the hall won't like to induct two rap acts.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 06.29.12 @ 16:05pm

I do have a strong feeling Heart might be inducted in 2013, considering they released a box set (Strange Euphoria) on June 5, and will release a memoir (Kicking and Dreaming: A Story of Heart, Soul and Rock and Roll) on September 18 and a new CD (Fanatic) on October 2.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnelld on Friday, 06.29.12 @ 20:46pm

no way in hell that donna summer is going into the hall of fame, hell no!!!

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 07.3.12 @ 10:39am

stevie ray vaughan for the 2013 rock and roll hall of fame a big glaring omission there

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 07.3.12 @ 14:12pm

The 2012 Hit Parade Hall of Fame Nominees

Jan & Dean
Bob Dylan
Jimi Hendrix
Jefferson Airplane/Starship
The Lettermen
Ronnie Milsap
The Staple Singers
Steely Dan
Ray Stevens
The Turtles
Dinah Washington

See, they are nominating them as Jefferson Airplane/Starship!

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 07.8.12 @ 07:10am

I would thik that tacking on Starship to the Airplane would make them less worthy, not more.

Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 07.8.12 @ 08:23am

I would say they might nominate:

Public Enemy
Deep Purple
Donna Summer
Whitney Houston

I hope they nominate:

Joan Baez
Kate Bush
Carole King
Carly Simon
Harry Nilsson
Roxy Music
Blood, Sweat, & Tears
Jane's Addiction
King Crimson
Captain Beefheart
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Arthur Brown

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 07.9.12 @ 03:02am

2013 inductees;

deep purple
donna summer
cat stevens
stevie ray vaughan and double trouble
and heart

Posted by chris on Saturday, 07.14.12 @ 16:14pm

anybody commenting on the 2013 rock hall predictions?

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 07.17.12 @ 14:36pm

The is starting to look like the 2013 Rock Hall

The Monkees
Deep Purple
Donna Summer
Dionne Warwick
Whitney Houston
Janet Jackson

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 07.17.12 @ 21:43pm

4 black solo females & a disco band in the same class????? I don't see it.

Posted by Arrow Man on Tuesday, 07.17.12 @ 22:23pm

Donna Summer is pretty much a lock. Deep Purple will HOPEFULLY finally be nominated. Other than that, I dunno what they'll do next year right now. I'll try and think about it.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 07.18.12 @ 02:56am

omg if donna summer gets in, i am going to puke. its the rock and roll hall of fame, not the disco hall of fame

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 07.18.12 @ 10:00am

I'm going to repost my dream ballot for the Class of 2012:


Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Roxy Music
Cliff Richard and the Shadows
The Cars
Public Enemy
Donna Summer
The Runaways

Early Influence:

Wynonie Harris


Don Cornelius


Mick Ronson

Posted by Zach on Wednesday, 07.18.12 @ 13:23pm

shut up chris, bee gees are already in.

Roy, that would be a horrid class. No new acts?

Zach, I'm surprised by your advocation for Public Enemy. I thought you hated politics in music? PE's politics are horrid!

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 07.18.12 @ 14:10pm

I was being objective with my pick of Public Enemy. I personally don't care for their music, but I can respect their impact on rap and the fact that they helped fuse rap with rock by collaborating with Anthrax. Furthermore, they played a significant role in developing a style of music, namely rap. The other politically-oriented artists whom I've slammed (Phil Ochs, Barry McGuire, Rage Against the Machine, Joan Baez, Country Joe and the Fish) can hardly be called significant, no matter what their fans think.

I don't care for PE's politics either. I was very infuriated when I heard Chuck D slam Elvis Presley in Fight the Power, but since Chuck has retracted those comments, I have no beef with him. Now if Chuck D wanted to namedrop a white artist who covered songs by black artists without any respect for them, he should have picked Pat Boone.

I've got no problem with rap acts being inducted in the RRHOF. After all, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Run-D.M.C., and now The Beastie Boys are all enshrined. Personally, I would like to see The Sugarhill Gang, Kurtis Blow, and Whodini all be inducted within the next 5 five years. As a matter of fact, I think I'll substitute Kurtis Blow for PE on my class of 2013. As with all other styles of rock, rap artists need to be inducted chronologically.

Posted by Zach on Wednesday, 07.18.12 @ 14:46pm

Ah right.

Personally I think I might induct N.W.A over PE, as kick starters of Gangsta Rap they've had more influence. I'd also induct Pixies as the hall is doing a real disservice to Alt Rock and the Pixies are perhaps the biggest american alt rock artists until you get to Grunge that aren't inducted.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 07.18.12 @ 15:08pm

I'd argue that Donna Summer isn't just a no-brainer for nomination, I'd say there's a very good chance she gets inducted this year too. There aren't many artists that members of the hall will get in public fights for when they die without being inducted, so I'm sure she'll get the sympathy vote now.

Public Enemy is getting in whether the "classic rawk" fogeys like it or not. And they deserve it too. And this likely means LL Cool J will be waiting at least five years before getting inducted, as now the gangsta rappers are become eligible.

There'll probably be 1-2 spots for an R&B act. Wouldn't surprise me if Whitney Houston is one of them, as dying always gives an artist's music legitmacy unfortunately. The other spot will probably go to a Philly Soul act, so I'm guessing either a repeat nomination for the Spinners or, if they didn't do very well on the ballot, a nomination for Daryl Hall & John Oates.

There was a far bigger public outcry when Davy Jones died than what Jon Lord is getting right now (which is unfortunate), so I could see Jann finally letting the Monkees on a ballot.

With that being said, I wouldn't put a Deep Purple nod completely out of the question. Them and Yes are two bands who have a relationship with the hall that's equivalent to Charlie Brown and the football. Everybody thinks this is the year they'll be nominated, and then they don't. But hey, maybe.

Hopefully now we start to have at least 1-2 alternative artists on the ballot. I would say there's no way the Hall is nominating the Pixies first ballot, but I pretty much said the same thing about Eric B. & Rakim too and got the pie in my face, so there's a possibility. The Cure could be making a repeat appearance if they performed well enough on the last ballot. Soundgarden SHOULD be a no-brainer for a nomination, but the Hall may not consider them eligible yet or thinks Nirvana should be the first true 90s rock group inducted. (Unless you consider RHCP to be 90s)

I mentioned Deep Purple as the token hard rock band that's nominated, but there are other possibilities. Heart's out of left field nomination would suggest that the Hall is softening up their view towards AOR rock, which would help the likes of Journey, but 80s cheese can kill an artist's rep and I'm sure it's still gonna be awhile (and a Heart induction) before the Hall decides to go into those treacherous waters.

There's also the question of the other end of the 80s hard rock spectrum, which is Hair Metal. Similar to how LL Cool J was nominated early as a means of getting a jump on things before he was overshadowed by Public Enemy, NWA, etc., it's possible the Hall could go for a repeat Bon Jovi nomaination or go for Def Leppard as a way of trying to get a "true" hair metal band in before the 800 pound gorilla named Nirvana busts down the doors next year. If it doesn't happen this year though, there's a good chance they're waiting at least a good five years, as it doesn't get any easier until 2019ish.

Of course, there's always the token old white rock band that sneaks in a nomination. In 2010 it was the Hollies, 2011 J. Geils Band, 2012 The Small Faces/Faces. So god knows what surprise the Hall will hit us with this time.

Posted by Jim on Wednesday, 07.18.12 @ 17:59pm

they need to put in more hard rock/heavy metal bands in the rock and roll hall of fame

Posted by chris on Thursday, 07.19.12 @ 10:38am

Some thoughts:

Donna Summer is a lock for nomination and a near-lock for induction at this point, I'd say. Ditto Public Enemy (bit less confident on the induction part though). The rest of the ballot will essentially be fighting for the last two spots.

Of last year's nominees I think Heart is an induction waiting to happen. So I'm willing to bet they get the nod again this year.

I think The Spinners will be the nominators new "pet project" as well, so I think they'll likely return.

Also, I think The Cure will come back for the alternative spot. With the nominators ignoring Sonic Youth time and again,I don't think the Pixies get the nod this year just yet.

NWA will likely make an appearance seeing as there have usually been two rap nominees on the ballot.

Chic are always good bets to return but I can see the committee keeping them off in order for the voters to focus on Donna Summer.

I think it's smart to bet on the nominators other pet projects as well, so I expect a Joe Tex or Graham Parsons appearing. Just please spare us another J. Geils nomination.

I also think we will probably see at least one of the big 3 popular snubs on the ballot, with recent inductees lobbying for them as well. Deep Purple seems most likely given Jon Lord's recent death. But I can just as easily see KISS returning or Rush debuting on the ballot.

Speaking of recent deaths, Whitney Houston also seems like a good bet especially with the industry and especially Clive Davis behind her. The Monkees on the other hand, I have less confidence in. Don Cornelius looks good for a non-performer induction as well.

Finally, now that the Hall has seemingly cleaned slate with singer/songwriter inductions in the last couple of years (Neil Diamond, Tom Waits, Donovan, Laura Nyro) look for new and returning names to figure in the ballot such as Cat Stevens, Carly Simon, Warren Zevon and Carole King.

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 07.19.12 @ 11:04am

I think that your thoughts are bang on rockstar23.

Out of the newly eligible acts, I think that Public Enemy is a lock for at least a nomination. Given that 2 rap acts are typically on the ballot, I agree that N.W.A. has a great chance at a nomination as well.

I don't think Jane's Addiction will get a nomination yet, and I think that the Pixies will probably be overlooked at least until The Cure gets inducted. I think The Cure are a good bet for a repeat nomination.

I agree that Donna Summer, Heart and The Spinners are likely repeat nominees. If all 3 return to the ballot, I think at least 2 of those 3 will be inducted next year.

There should be at least one singer-songwriter nominated again, and I will add Randy Newman and Gram Parsons as possibilities for repeat nominations. I think out of that group, I'll go with Gram Parsons and Cat Stevens as my guess.

I think from the hard rock group, we'll see either Deep Purple or KISS on the ballot. My money would be on Deep Purple given Jon Lord's recent death. I also think we'll be Bon Jovi return to the ballot.

Given her the crazy amount of attention around her recent death, I think Whitney Houston is a likely nomination.

Filling out the ballot, I think we'll see a couple of random previously nominated bands return. I'll go with Joe Tex, The Chantels and War. There will likely also be at least one British Invasion band, so I'll throw The Zombies in as that nomination (and a likely inductee). For my final guess, I'll go out on a limb and say that Peter Gabriel gets a much deserved nomination.

To sum up my prediction, the 15 nominated artists will be:

Public Enemy
The Cure
Donna Summer
The Spinners
Cat Stevens
Gram Parsons
Deep Purple
Joe Tex
The Chantels
The Zombies
Peter Gabriel

Posted by BSLO on Thursday, 07.19.12 @ 12:14pm

Oops, and Whitney Houston

Posted by BSLO on Thursday, 07.19.12 @ 12:15pm

In two months' time, we will know who will be the finalists for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2013 in the Performers category. Similarly, Future Rock Legends will allow us to elect the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2028 at the least by September.

With the untimely deaths in 2012 so far including Whitney Houston, Davy Jones, Donna Summer, Jon Lord, Don Cornelius and Andrew Love; I would not be surprised to see momentum occuring for Whitney Houston, The Monkees, Donna Summer, Deep Purple, Don Cornelius and The Memphis Horns to all be inducted by the end of the year. Yet, as painful it is for me to say this, I do not think all inductees will include those that died this year. Nor do I believe the inductees will be limited to only those thatpassed away this year. The RRHOF is not the Down Beat Magazine Hall of Fame awards: a jazz music year-end honor which routinely inducts recently deceased greats. Of the seven listed, I think Donna Summer is a lock for induction this year. I do think Whitney Houston and Deep Purple will be locks for being finalists at least.

Now, I think that the future RRHOF inductees for the next decade or so will be based on whom has been inducted into the Revisited/projected Rock Hall Project. We have certainly influenced the Nominating Committee the past 3 or so years. Thus, my predictions and inferences on who will be inducted into the actual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame rely on these artists having a Revisited/projected induction. Here then are the six Performers I infer and believe will be inducted for 2013.

Peter Gabriel
Donna Summer
Public Enemy
The Pixies
Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)

I will explain my reasoning for these potential inductees in a later post. Needless to say, they are all deserving. Here are nine other Performers that I believe will at least be finalists. Though an induction might not occur this year.

Whitney Houston
Deep Purple
The Runaways
Gram Parsons
Eric B. and Rakim
Depeche Mode

I will explain my thoughts on why these artists will be finalists in that same later post I mentioned in the preceeding paragraph. Let me know what you think of these predictions. I am, so to speak, all ears.

I'm Glad You Came sounds like Talk, which sounds like Computer Love,


Posted by Lax29 on Thursday, 07.19.12 @ 22:04pm

how about progressive rockers yes or even the moody blues? they should be considered too. and the bee gees, abba, michael jackson, the jackson 5, and madonna should not be in the rock and roll hall of fame, they are sugarcoated pop artists who have no business being in that hall of shame. its the rock and roll hall of fame, the pop music hall of fame. we need more hard rock/prog rock in not these pop groups. ridiculous!!! soon they will induct the carpenters before kiss, what a disgrace of an insitution!!!

Posted by chris on Sunday, 07.22.12 @ 17:43pm

But Michael Jackson is much more important than any prog rocker apart from Pink Floyd, you bloody rockist.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 07.22.12 @ 17:47pm

Give me one could reason why pop acts shouldn't be in the rock and roll hall of fame, but prog groups should. If there was one genre that strayed away far from the original sound of the 50s, it's prog. Michael Jackson is a lot closer to Little Richard than Yes is.

Furthermore, the line between rock an pop is a very thin one. Just think about Owner of a Lonely Heart, or I Was Made for Loving You. If someone would claim they are pop songs, I wouldn't necessarily disagree. Same goes if somebody would say Beat It is a rock song.

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 07.22.12 @ 18:27pm

I'd say the line is very obvious. Those musicians who are surrendering their freedom & willingly submitting to an array of producers to make sure they have a radio-friendly sound can be considered pop.

Those musicians who've stuck to their guns, created an original sound, or have found a way to interpret a traditional sound in a non-pop manner, are most likely your rock acts.

It's unfiltered musicianship vs market driven sounds, roughly speaking.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 07.22.12 @ 18:35pm

"Give me one could reason why pop acts shouldn't be in the rock and roll hall of fame, but prog groups should. If there was one genre that strayed away far from the original sound of the 50s, it's prog. Michael Jackson is a lot closer to Little Richard than Yes is."


Exactly. The ones that always make me laugh my ass of are the "Rap isn't rock" zombies who then post a laundry list of prog bands who should be in. You can't have it both ways.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 07.22.12 @ 19:04pm

"Give me one could reason why pop acts shouldn't be in the rock and roll hall of fame, but prog groups should. If there was one genre that strayed away far from the original sound of the 50s, it's prog. Michael Jackson is a lot closer to Little Richard than Yes is."


Exactly. The ones that always make me laugh my ass of are the "Rap isn't rock" zombies who then post a laundry list of prog bands who should be in. You can't have it both ways.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 07.22.12 @ 19:04pm
Couldn't you also say that rap was as far away from Little Richard as Yes was?

Little Richard never did any cutting and scratching of records, a'la rap of the 80's, nor did he ever use samples,, as rap did in the 90's & 2000's.

Just noting the differences here... :)

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 07.22.12 @ 19:15pm

i suppose so. but the fact that prog rock and hard rock/heavy metal is underappreciated in the rock hall is ridiculous. i mean expand the number of inductees or the nominee list if you have to, cause the fact that only two prog rock bands and two heavy metal acts in the rock hall doesn't cut it for me, im sorry, it just doesn't.

Posted by chris on Monday, 07.23.12 @ 10:25am

On that we can agree, chris. Prog rock is vastly underrepresented in the Hall. Hard rock is doing a little better (I counted 8 bands that could be considered metal: Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Alice Cooper, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Van Halen, Metallica, and Guns N' Roses), but the omission of Deep Purple is inexcusable, and it's about time they nominate Motorhead.

Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 07.23.12 @ 12:54pm

well I can agree on that chris, the halls attitude towards prog and metal is stupid.

Posted by GFW on Monday, 07.23.12 @ 14:22pm

well they need to put in bands like deep purple, yes, the moody blues, rush, kiss, chicago, hall and oates, cat stevens, steve miller band, among other very soon, because its getting ridiculous.

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 07.24.12 @ 10:39am

August has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 08.2.12 @ 07:23am

no really roy? come on now

Posted by chris on Thursday, 08.2.12 @ 10:25am

In all fairness, Roy is correct this time.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 08.2.12 @ 10:55am

Time to make my predictions then. I didn't try to name who will be the suprise nominees of this year, as those artists usually tend to be the ones you never thought to see ending up on the ballot in the first place. So here's my list of people you'd probably expected anyway:

1. Donna Summer
2. Public Enemy
3. Deep Purple
4. Whitney Houston
5. The Spinners
6. The Cure
7. War
8. Chic
9. Chuck Willis
10. Lou Reed
11. Kraftwerk
12. KISS
13. Yes
14. Sonic Youth
15. Linda Ronstadt

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 08.2.12 @ 19:33pm

deep purple, yes, kiss, the spinners, and linda ronstadt for me from that list no donna summer, no disco!!!

Posted by chris on Monday, 08.6.12 @ 10:35am

Why is there no link to youtube videos on the pages for The Blue Caps, The Comets, The Crickets, The Famous Flames, The Midnighters and The Miracles?

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 08.11.12 @ 09:15am

"With the untimely deaths in 2012 so far including Whitney Houston, Davy Jones, Donna Summer, Jon Lord, Don Cornelius and Andrew Love; I would not be surprised to see momentum occuring for Whitney Houston, The Monkees, Donna Summer, Deep Purple, Don Cornelius and The Memphis Horns to all be inducted by the end of the year. Yet, as painful it is for me to say this, I do not think all inductees will include those that died this year. Nor do I believe the inductees will be limited to only those thatpassed away this year. The RRHOF is not the Down Beat Magazine Hall of Fame awards: a jazz music year-end honor which routinely inducts recently deceased greats. Of the seven listed, I think Donna Summer is a lock for induction this year. I do think Whitney Houston and Deep Purple will be locks for being finalists at least."

Last year (2011)we lost Gladys Horton , the lead singer of THE MARVELETTES. She sang lead on hit after hit for this Motown group. Yet, The Marvelettes have NEVER even been nominated in the entire 27 year history of the RRHOF.

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 08.30.12 @ 14:27pm

""With the untimely deaths in 2012 so far including Whitney Houston, Davy Jones, Donna Summer, Jon Lord, Don Cornelius and Andrew Love; I would not be surprised to see momentum occuring for Whitney Houston, The Monkees, Donna Summer, Deep Purple, Don Cornelius and The Memphis Horns to all be inducted by the end of the year. Yet, as painful it is for me to say this, I do not think all inductees will include those that died this year. Nor do I believe the inductees will be limited to only those thatpassed away this year. The RRHOF is not the Down Beat Magazine Hall of Fame awards: a jazz music year-end honor which routinely inducts recently deceased greats. Of the seven listed, I think Donna Summer is a lock for induction this year. I do think Whitney Houston and Deep Purple will be locks for being finalists at least."

My ORIGINAL quote was changed here. I DID NOT include all of those names....nor did I mention ANYTHING about "Jazz" , The Memphis Horns, or "Down Beat Magazine" .

What gives ?

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 08.31.12 @ 11:54am

I watched my 1st R & R Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony last night on HBO.

I sang, laughed, cried, and danced.

It helped me to get in touch with more of myself.

Thank you everyone for sharing your Fantabulous talents with the world.

Posted by Jenn J on Wednesday, 10.31.12 @ 14:34pm

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