A snub - you have got to be kidding. Good to be on a snub list because he is black - what happened to not be racist means being color blind.

1 the rape song - still think he belongs in the hall

2 look at the comments on the video where he is performing the rape song on Soul Train. Several people thought the regular show dancer saved his but. Still think he has the quality level to be inducted.

3 SEXIST SEXIST SEXIST


remember black men before any woman got the right to vote. No that amendment only gave the right to vote to black men and not to black women. Look up Sojourner Truth.

human traffickating - Who do you think has the greater percentage of sex slaves black men or white women?

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 09/2/2018 @ 18:34pm

Wow, Queen Out of Touch goes racist again. Charming.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 09/2/2018 @ 19:05pm

DarinRG

Lets get a few things straight I WILL NOT BE BULLIED INTO SUBMISSION. NOW WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT GET? Disgusting backing to normalize predatory behavior

insults??

Can't come up with an intelligent argument I see.

Never heard of #MeToo I see.

Maybe you and your little friends need to pay attention to what is going on.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 09/2/2018 @ 19:33pm

For the record the only racist that I have seen on here are the rbist. So if you want to see a racist go look in your mirror. He is with you wherever you go. Not only racist but sexist. There are some little boy that really need to grow up.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 09/2/2018 @ 19:39pm

Yes, a snub.

Because when you look objectively at who the Rock And Roll Of Fame has inducted, you realize that the morality of those inducted has absolutely no bearing on it. Rock and roll was once derided as "the devil's music." So, when you wanna talk about rock and roll music, you're going to have to accept the fact that it's going to get a little impure at times, controversial even, and sometimes outright offensive. When inducted in 1989, Mick Jagger noted the irony of being asked to be on his best behavior to help celebrate 25 years of bad behavior. Heck, the Rolling Stones recorded the song "Under My Thumb," about a guy who took control of his relationship to the point of a double-standard being in place. Should that have disqualified the Stones? It clearly didn't.
I've said this enough times that it's probably a little cloying at this point, but here it is again: the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame isn't really a Nice Guys' Club, it's more of a Rogues' Gallery.

The people running the Hall Of Fame have no real duty to pay attention to the current cultural climate. If they feel that doing so helps their bottom line, they may choose to, but when they're evaluating music that's at least 25 years old, they aren't always going to. Heck, last year, I wrote an open letter to the NomComm on my blog, requesting the intentionally eschew the White male artists in protest of the Trump presidency. I PM'ed as many NomComm members on Twitter as I could to try and get them to read it. It clearly didn't work. They don't have to care about the cultural climate of today.

So despite the gospel influences that are part of rock and roll, you still overall find you need to parse out the morality of the music. And when you do that, there is an argument that Joe Tex is a snub. More to the point, he literally has been because he's been on the ballot a handful of times and got turned down, or snubbed, by the voting bloc. So yes, he is in fact a snub.

And if you are only seeing racism from the R&B fans, then you're either blind, not looking hard enough, or are defining racism in a very skewed manner.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09/2/2018 @ 20:07pm

Philip

interesting that bully squad shows up and once again you are in the middle of it.

Question why is the nom com so terrified of strong white females?

Question why is it that so many of you and your little friends so afraid of strong white females.


1 5 nominations is not a snub in any way shape or form. Before you go blathering on and on with your nonsense it might be a good idea to look up that video I talked about. He was rejected by his peers so that makes him a reject. Your misuse of this term is an insult to all the deserving artist who were not given a chance to stand in review with their peers...

2 artist are talking about the lack of women in the hall. Change is coming whether you or JWs cronies like it or not. White women have more to do with r&r than be relief for men. And you and all the sexist on here and all the sexist on the nom com need to wake up and smell the coffee.

The times they are a changing.

If you do not see how racist you and the other rbist are then you are blind. Why is it you and the other bully squad members come out to do a gang bang on anybody who disagrees with you? Well let's see 2 bullies down and 3 or 4 more bullies to go.

the Trump thing was a real brainiac move. It is right in line with the truth that you are avoiding. That is that there is too much racism and sexism in your actions. And you pretend not to see it. go read the definition of racism. It is not only action against blacks but any action that's discriminatory based on a persons race.

You do realize that you prove that sexism is a bigger problem than racism.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 09/2/2018 @ 21:07pm

No Zuzu, there is no "bully squad." I've been intentionally letting you say whatever you want. You recall the one discussion I interjected in, I was talking to The_Claw, not you.

The NomComm isn't afraid of strong, white females. That's a ludicrous accusation; in fact, the NomComm has been undergoing overhauls specifically to include greater diversity in its ranks. Is it still dominated by white men? Yes, but they have been working to add more women to its ranks to address the very thing you claim they're afraid of.

Same applies to us hobbyists. None of us are afraid of strong, white women. We're not actively working to drive them away. We're not afraid of you or what you have to say either. But you are not Chaka Khan: you are not every woman. Stop conflating the contentions about what you post with out-and-out misogyny. I don't hate women; I just disagree with your myopic views regarding rock and roll.

We're all on board with more women in the Hall. I could rattle off 20 deserving female acts that I think belong in the Hall. To wit: the Chantels, the Marvelettes, the Crystals, the Shangri-La's, Connie Francis, Lesley Gore, Chaka Khan, Janet Jackson, Grace Jones, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Jody Watley, the Go-Go's, Mary Wells, Esther Phillips, Patsy Cline, Judy Collins, Tina Turner, Carole King, Carly Simon.

Is it racist to accuse others of racism? Because that's pretty much the most "racist" thing that our primary R&B fanatic has had to say.

And seriously, stop saying "gang bang." You come off as extremely racist when you use that term. We're not bullying anyone. We discuss, we argue, sure, but people are welcome here. I don't even want you to leave here. Fwiw, I thought your prospective ballot was pretty good... except a big no to Kansas and Gordon Lightfoot. Swap 'em out with similar acts Boston and Jim Croce, and that'd be a better ballot... except it's woefully bereft of soul. The Fifth Dimension was about the only act that could be called soul that was on your ballot. Soul is part of rock and roll too.

My post may have been a little extreme, but it was evenly tit for tat.

Again, stop with the strawperson arguments; stop confusing the debating of your points for a personal beef with you, or against women in general. The two are not even close to the same. Your point of view is welcome, but so is debate contrasting your point of view. We don't argue with you because you're a women, rest assured of that. In fact, note that in my reply about Joe Tex, I didn't make any attack against you, period. You're not even the first person who tried to argue that someone is too much of a scoundrel to keep out of the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. The only people any rock and roll enthusiast would say that about would be Col. Tom Parker, and maybe Allan Klein. But there was no attack against you. If I wanted to go the personal route, I'd have said that if Joe Tex was a Windy City native, you'd be calling him a criminal snub who needed to be inducted immediately.

Good thing I didn't say that.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09/2/2018 @ 22:57pm

Let me rephrase that first paragraph:

I've been intentionally not responding to your posts this past week, because I want you to be a part of this forum too. No one is "letting you" say anything. You're saying whatever you want, regardless of what anyone would think.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09/2/2018 @ 22:59pm

Gang-bang is a type of rape wherein multiple men take turns raping a woman.

Stop acting like a sexist and I will stop pointing it out.

Obviously you have missed my opinion of Billy Courgan and my opinion of LZ

What nom ticket are you posting about? I have not listed one yet this year.

Boston and Jim Croce are both jokes. They were trying to push Jim Croce back in the 70s. He is faux folk and I would never consider him on my list.

Your list of deserving women is lacking and good portion of those women you list are laughable and undeserving. You also are doing the lets just induct people that have already been inducted. A big waste of time. You are also missing some very important women. Melanie, Janis Ian, Pat Benetar, Dottie West, Roberta Flack, TLC and Minnie Riperton. For the record Minnie Riperton was a back-up singer at Chess Studios so she got to record with some of the Blues Greats.

Carole King, Carly Simon and Janet Jackson will never show up on any ballot or be listed as deserving by me. I do not now nor will I buy into the paid for publicity that surrounds JJ.

Falsely accusing somebody of racism because they disagree with you is racist because your explanation for why they disagree with you is based solely on the color of their skin.

My complaints about sexism are however based on observation and the fact that women do not hang around here. I base this on your attitude towards me and other women. The logic comment. I have had to deal with this math prejudice my entire life and I do not need bs coming out of the mouth of somebody that has a 3rd grade level math comprehension. No, I am giving an evaluation that I am more than capable of using that nonsense you rattled off as if 1 variable can give you an answer for a multiple variable problem. I can also tell that you have difficulty understanding and working out word problems.

Note that I observe that you happen to pick mostly black women and you push ahead and this is the exact same problem that the nom com has. Thus we have a lack of white women while black women are not that far behind where they should be. The online college paper I read brought up how white women singers were not allowed to show sexuality but black women were allowed to. Rosemary Clooney was brought up a an exception to the rule. Then isn't interesting that the groupies were white. I would lay odds that most of those women were sexually molested as children.

You talk down to me and I have observed you talk down to other women. You have some nerve telling me I am wrong about the 70s. I was there and you and your little friends were not. You and your friends are clueless about disco culture, not one of you knew about the term dusties. Still this push ahead nonsense. Don Cornelius before his mentor, Herb Kent. the fist African American dj inducted into the radio hall of fame and also the first employed at many radio stations.

I am sick and tired of your attitude toward me and this delusion that you disproved anything I had to say. BS go check out before you open your mouth. You may get giggles, pats on the back, high fives and thumbs ups from your little friends, there are people shaking their heads an rolling their eyes at what comes out of your mouth.

The nom com has become less diverse just like this site. you and your little friends gang up on more than women. I have seen it done several times over the last few months. Yes the behavior of you and your friends drives other people away. There has been way too much group think on here and when I make my predictions I am going to base it on what I see and I will not make it on suggestions from somebody that has no respect for an artist.

Again whether you and your little friends and the nom com like it or not changes are coming. And this fear that you and your little friends and the nom com has of strong white women is going to have to stop. By the way a bunch of young males is not diversity. NO WOMEN NO COUNTRY NO FOLK NO AGE VARIETY TOO MANY PEOPLE WITH CONNECTIONS MISSING GAPS IN THE 60S AND 70S. WAY TOO MANY 80S NOMINATIONS WHEN THE 70S WERE NEVER ENTERED. 60S HAS BEANS AND 80S WANNA BES DO NOT THE 70S MAKE.


By the way about disco

my baby brother was part of the coho lips army

go google club 54 west. how many blacks do you see in those photos. bet you can count on your fingers. this was were bouncers were keeping people out. What type of people could that be now hum

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 09/3/2018 @ 00:26am

It's also a term referring to certain activities done by street gangs, which does include, but is not limited to, the "blessing" in of women to the gang.

The point was, that I was naming 20 women that I believe belong in the Hall Of Fame. Does it really matter how many of them were minorities and how many were white? Also, pretty sure Melanie considers herself Jewish, not white. Yes, some of them would be inducted a second time, but that doesn't detract from my point. I'd enjoy Pat Benatar getting inducted, as well as Roberta Flack and TLC. Melanie, I'm on the fence about, though I wouldn't object either. Same with Janis Ian. Dottie, I need to research further, but I'm okay with that. Minnie sounds like she'd be a better fit for AME than Performer.

Your conclusion is based on specious evidence. I don't deny that there aren't many women around here, but your connection between that phenomenon and my disagreements with you is specious. Your assumptions are faulty. Next, I just pointed out facts regarding the '70's. And "Dusties" is a term that is completely irrelevant outside of Chicago. Herb Kent was inducted a) because the Radio Hall Of Fame has a "local legends" category, and b) he had a big hand in the promotion, exhibition, and thereby, the growth of Motown Records. If you really want to argue for Herb Kent to be inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, THAT'S the angle you should be pushing, not his longtime program of looking back, i.e. "Dusties." The Hall is about honoring the evolution and the pushing forward of rock and roll music, not about those who spend the whole time looking back.

If you're referring to the David Cassidy fans, I didn't drive them off. You were the one that spent the most time arguing with them. I said a couple pieces, and left that discussion for the most part. You were the one that kept debating them. They were a swarm; they landed en masse, and left en masse. That's how swarms operate on message boards.

You keep accusing me of rampant sexism, and yet, in our first exchange, you tried to use the fact that you're a woman as credentials that what you say should be taken at face value without discussion, which I would also call sexist. I don't care which gender you are; if I disagree with your argument, that's what I'm going to argue with. I don't argue with your points because of your gender, but because of your narrow point of view that says rock and roll belongs to only one generation, one city in one country, and very little in the way of evolution of sub-genres.

I will welcome the change when it comes. I'd like to see more women inducted, and more women doing the nominating, and the voting. I'd like to see the country side of the equation get better representation. I'm not afraid of it, and neither are the good folks here. We're a community, not a gang. And I'm still fine with you being a part of it. Cheers.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 09/3/2018 @ 01:06am

Philip

stop your childish condescending bs. It will not fly. Can you anti Chicago bs too. It is getting old.

Herb Kent was more than a local legend and the term dusties is used outside Chicago. Stop pretending you do not know this. WTF does Detroit have to do with Chicago? If you actually got off your but and checked things out you would see that Chicago had some recording companies that dealt with R&B like Vee-Jay which had only one token white artist at a time. I think there may have been other record companies that did the same.

You are a Tigers fan aren't you well that would explain your cavalier attitude about who really is the Boss.

Chicago was of great importance to the entertainment industry from the mid 60s to the mid 80s. Get over your anti-Chicago hate. There is no local Celeb in the radio hall of fame. What did you find out that 1/3 of the djs are from Chicago stations. Get over it because I am not putting up with your bs anymore.

You're kidding you are on the fence with someone whose vocal style is copied by most indie artist along with Stevie Nicks and Cyndi Lauper. First I heard Melanie being Jewish. I have always seen Ukrainian and Italian. Maybe her husband was and she converted. Jewish lat names ended differently most Jewish people refer themselves like Geddy Lee saying he is Polish Jewish ancestry. He may actually be Lithuanian though because he got his stage name from his mother saying Gary like Geddy. r with a d sound is Lithuanian not Polish.

Phillips you are a naive child. I know US schools cover only the history of the Germanic people for European history, There are several other tribal groups that you are not taught in school. Europeans are a lot more mixed than you realize. raids by Huns Tartars and Mongels had an impact. A lot of people that I know that are classed as white have native American ancestry, Asian ancestry and several others.

It is commonly held that people like me that have olive skin coloring and darker hair probably have Tarter ancestry due to the raids.

Phillip but I have also seen you interact with other women on here. Do we need to bring up how shamefully you behaved. I am telling you that I find some of the behavior on here by you and your little friends offensive.

The gang initiation of sleeping with one guy after another is called a train meaning that the girl consented. Gang Bang as a term for rape was in use well before the term was used to refer to somebody in a gang. At one time there were gangs for different ethnic groups, the term I used describes what you and your friends do on here and yes it is a psychological form of rape that is intended to intimidate just like an actual physical rape.

Yes it matters because White women are the group with the mot snubs and that paper I read said the perception is racial so it is based on a racist notion that white women did not rock - this is racism. One other person on here wanted to throw white women under the bus to get a hi hop early influence in. This is racist and sexist. For centuries white women have been treated as little more than a man's property. Did you know that rape was originally as not sex without consent of the women but without consent of the man responsible for her such as a husband, father, brother, uncle or cousin.

See you do not question the choice if it is a black woman but you do with a white woman.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 09/3/2018 @ 03:51am

Zuzu,

I'm not anti-Chicago. I just oppose your viewpoint that "important/big in Chicago" should be a criterion for induction into the Hall. The fact that you were the only person on here who knew the term "Dusties" SHOULD clue you in that it is a local phenomenon. I've told you, everywhere else, it's called "Oldies."

And the National Radio Hall Of Fame doesn't explicitly state it, but digging deeper on their page, they acknowledge that they do in fact have six categories for inductees. And in their news section where they announce the 2018 inductees, they list Mike Francesca, whose claim to fame is as the longtime afternoon drive host on a New York sports nation, so yes, they do induct personalities of local historical importance too. But again, if you really want Herb Kent inducted, it might be better to talk about his accomplishments that helped rock and roll grow in popularity and evolve as an art form. Because that's what the Hall Of Fame cares about.

I don't see what my fandom of the Tigers has to do with anything. I'm also a White Sox fan. Have no love or hate for the Cubs. And the Boss is Bruce Springsteen, but that's neither here nor there.

Again, I don't hate Chicago. I've been there a handful of times, beautiful city. Taste Of Chicago is a great experience for tourists. I simply resent your attitude that being big in Chicago is the litmus test for whether or not an act should be in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. There's New York City, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Boston, San Francisco, New Orleans, and yes, Detroit too, among other major markets.

I'm not trying to be condescending, and I'm sorry that you're reading it that way. I've been on message boards for almost 20 years now and have taken part in many debates. This is just how I debate, and in my nearly 20 years, you're the only one I can say thinks I'm regularly condescending. But by the same token, I could just as easily say you've been condescending to me: talking down to me because I don't worship at the altar of Herb Kent, because I was born in the '80's, and because I dare disagree with your opinion about anything. In fact, I generally try to talk to other people as respectfully as they talk to me or others. Respond in kind, if you will.

And by all means, bring it up. I don't fight with Jennifer or Marissa on here. I generally respond in kind to others. Most of the time, I don't read the name at the top of the posts to see who said what first. The only other person on here that I know is a woman that I really got into it with was Sheri. And that had nothing to do with her being a woman. And truth be told, I do deeply regret how I handled that situation. I was trying to prevent a flare up from happening, and instead created one myself. Worse yet, it turns out I was basically taking the side of our resident "show up to throw up" troll. So yeah, I got into it with Sheri, and I admit that I was in the wrong about that. But I did try to be respectful when actually addressing her. So, do your worst. I'm not afraid.

It's funny. You say racism is about giving preference based on skin color, and that that's wrong; and then turn around and say that it's important to make sure white women are represented more. So which is it? Hey, I'm all for more White women and Black women for the Hall. I've long said that the simple solution is to have bigger classes. Having bigger classes simply eliminates the argument because there'll simply be greater representation of all types, which would be good. And I heard that Melanie was Jewish from my Jewish friends, so I wasn't gonna argue with them about that. And yeah, on the fence. I'm not proud to admit it, but I do tend to favor the more commercially successful artists, though that's something I'm getting a little bit better at. I still will take Lesley Gore before her though. The Teen Queen!

Also, note I said "Gangbanging" included, BUT WAS NOT LIMITED TO, a girl being "blessed." Not every aspect of it is sexual. Yes, I'm fully aware of the original meaning, but like other words in our dictionary, the meanings have evolved, even if only informally, and the term "gangbanger" has come to be a pejorative to denigrate a person, usually a Black man, who looks like they may be up to no good, being involved in illegal gang activities. And by simple etymology, the description of anything in keeping with "gang bang" tends to be more associated with that slurring, rather than the original group rape context.

And stop putting words in my mouth. Consent is important regardless of race. I never said otherwise. You're once again trying to draw inferences and conclusions where none exist. Women are not property of men. And men are not property of women. Unless it's with the submissive party's consent in a relationship. I've actually seen those kinds of relationships where one enjoys being treated like a slave, like property, even in public. I don't fully get it myself, but if they're happy with that dynamic, more power to them.

Now, I don't know about you, but I would really rather get back to discussing the actual musical contributions of artists or industry people. Stop obfuscating and deflecting, by making ad hominem attacks against others for simply disagreeing with you. As I said, other than Kansas and Gordon Lightfoot, I liked that ballot of names that you submitted, so we see eye-to-eye occasionally at least. Especially about Chubby Checker and the Big Bopper.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 09/3/2018 @ 22:38pm

Zuzu, you are very tedious. Please go away.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 09/4/2018 @ 08:15am

Paul

3 down - 2 or 3 more of the b squad to go

You obviously do not like diversity. I seem to recall that you were one of the people who was clueless about the term dusties.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 09/4/2018 @ 10:05am

To anyone who is actually interested in seeing more diverse opinions about Joe Tex and to see his treatment of women on Soul Train on clip on youcandoit113's channel.

You may also read this article for a point of view that is not sexist.


My Daddy Hated Joe Tex's Skeevy Song 'I Gotcha,' and Now I Understand Why
July 13, 2016

By Carolyn Edgar

This is the scary part

young women thinking there is nothing wrong with this and not realizing the full implications until they get older.

Saying these kind of things are okay and honoring these type of people is supporting rape culture. The hall has been called on their attitude toward women on several occasions. Several government bodies are making changes.

The hall needs to make changes or it will go under.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 09/4/2018 @ 10:17am

Fwiw, I also hate "I Gotcha", but I can't even make it to dissecting the lyrics. The whole song stylistically rubs me the wrong way. As does the body-shaming and misogynistic "Ain't Gonna Bump No More With No Big Fat Woman."

But to write off Joe Tex entirely because of those couple songs, imo, misses the point. To quote another song of his, "One Monkey Don't Stop No Show." Songs are works of art, which means three things to me. First, they are often fictitious. Yes, some of our most enduring songs come from personal or historic events, but many times they are not. Miley Cyrus, when interviewed following the success of "Party In The U.S.A." admitted she didn't really have a favorite Jay-Z song and wasn't familiar with the breadth of his work; it was just what the songwriter came up with. The point of view that a singer sings from when interpreting a lyric is similar to an actor bringing life to a role. It's just a role. Playing a villain doesn't make you an evil person. Nor does singing about immorality mean you actually endorse that lifestyle.

Second, art often endeavors to challenge us out of our comfort zones. Maya Lin, the artist behind the Vietnam Memorial said she believes that art should constantly be pushing the envelope. And I don't think that is limited to visual arts like sculpting or painting. Third, it often serves as a mirror to our society. So, if a song like "I Gotcha" makes us that uncomfortable, it would hopefully serve to be more observant about the world around us and work to change that world. Which serves to enhance, not detract the artistic value of that song. FTR, I don't think that's what Tex was trying to do with either of those songs: I think they were attempts to be funny in a culture that laughed at those kinds of things. Even so, mirror.

The last thing I'd point out is that you're dismissing the man's overall contributions to the evolution of rock and roll and to the cultural zeitgeist. For only a couple rather creepy songs late in the man's career, you're dismissing an entire discography that began with with a gospel-influenced ballad warning listeners not to take the special people in their lives for granted. To me, "I Gotcha" and "Ain't Gonna Bump No More With No Big Fat Woman" are aberrations of Joe Tex's overall oeuvre. Outliers, and hardly representative of his character or his music.

My $0.02

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 09/5/2018 @ 10:32am

Phillip

What is wrong with you?

Glorifying rape has nothing to do with comfort zone. This is not debatable.

Shame on you for thinking that it is.

I know way too many women that are survivors of rape. I know way too many women that are survivors of molestation. I know too many women that have been through domestic abuse. Just a couple of weeks ago a friend told me that her daughter's teacher was in am abusive marriage and had been killed by her husband.

Now if the song was by a white guy glorifying the physical abuse of a black man you would be singing a different song.

This kind of attitude is why you and the nom com and a few others are sexist and racist.

Carolyn Edgar's father got it. People commenting on the video get it.

DO NOT EVEN TRY TO GET A DEBATE GOING ON THIS. DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR?

Disgusting!!!!!!

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/6/2018 @ 03:26am

5 times the voting body has gotten it.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/6/2018 @ 03:27am

Zuzu,

It's not a debate. Singing about it is not the same as glorifying it. Learn the difference. This is the problem a lot of people have with rap culture too.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 09/6/2018 @ 21:07pm

Phillip

I told you there is no debate. So stop your shameful sexist behavior.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/6/2018 @ 22:00pm

I agree Zuzu! If you don't understand the difference between simply singing about something and actually glorifying it, then there is no point in debating it!

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 09/6/2018 @ 22:35pm

I told you there is no debate. So stop your shameful sexist behavior.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 09/6/2018 @ 22:39pm

And I'm agreeing with you about that! Why discuss a subject when there's a fundamental difference in opinion regarding the difference between singing about something and actually glorifying it? There is no debate!

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 09/6/2018 @ 23:39pm

I told you there is no debate. So stop your shameful sexist behavior which you refuse to stop after being told to stop.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 09/7/2018 @ 04:40am

I'm not being sexist; I'm agreeing with you that there's no debate to be had here. We're in agreement.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 09/7/2018 @ 22:26pm

You still continue your sexist behavior. I have told you to stop and yet you still persist in trying to make this a debate. Just stop.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 09/7/2018 @ 22:40pm

You still continue your sexist behavior. I have told you to stop and yet you still persist in trying to make this a debate. Just stop.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 09/7/2018 @ 22:41pm

How is agreeing with you being sexist? I'm not trying to get a debate going. We are at an impasse, and I'm fine with that. I'm willing to agree to disagree on this one. That's totally okay.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 09/7/2018 @ 23:13pm

You know exactly what you are doing and you know very well that it is sexist.


so do not pull I am mr innocent and I did nothing card.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 09/7/2018 @ 23:18pm

No Zuzu, you're wrong.

I really don't care to debate it at this point. I'm not trying to draw you into a debate. I'm really not. I may not be "Mr. Innocent," but I am not trying to get into an argument. I sincerely mean it when I say we're at an impasse on this subject, and I'm fine with agreeing to disagree.

But no, I'm not patronizing you, or trying to make you feel like a lesser-than, especially because of your gender. Gender has nothing to do with this.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 09/7/2018 @ 23:26pm

You just can not shut up. Funny thing is that the last time you did that was with a woman. And you are behaving like a sexist. There is no agreement to disagree. There is no debate because you crossed a line. There is you acting like a stalker trying to piss on everything I say and you just can not, shut up and let it go. Stop being a SEXIST - gender has nothing to do with this

STOP HARASSING ME!!! STOP STALKING ME!!!

STOP PRETENDING YOU WON AN ARGUMENT BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND HAD TO KEEP COMING BACK!!!!!

JUST WALK AWAY - I DO NOT NEED YOUR CHILDISH BS

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 09/7/2018 @ 23:48pm

Zuzu,

I'm not stalking you. Be sure of that. That's just slander. You're the one crossing the line when you do that. I've mentioned before that among my character flaws is always trying to have the last word. I don't do it to be a jerk, but as long as someone keeps arguing me, I feel like they don't understand a viewpoint. To understand without agreeing or having to win... I feel we all benefit from that.

I'm not trying to win an argument. You keep accusing me of it, but you are still wrong. It's not about the argument at all. Not by a longshot.

Every time you interact with others here, you try to call the shots, demanding deference to your omniscience because of either your gender, your age, where you're from, or based on some nebulous source that you came across years ago but can't find again. The vast majority of the questions you ask here are rhetorical. You're not interested in discussion so much as controlling the conversation and trying to make other succumb to your demands.

And if you're thinking how ironic that must be coming from me, well, that's kind of the point.
Talking to you the way you talk to me. And to paraphrase you, I will not submit to your bullying.

I don't want to harass you. I sure as heck am not gonna stalk you. I don't want to make you submit, or even ask nicely. But I've come across people like you (both men and women) who talk and behave very much like this on other forums. Give an inch, they go a mile and try to be the alpha of the forum. I don't want that for myself, but I'm not gonna let other people talk down to me either. That's what this is about. Not about the debate.

But by all means, keep calling me a stalker and a sexist. You just know better than everyone else here, don't you? To quote you, "I do not need your childish bs" either.

I wish only the best for you. Believe it or don't, makes me no difference.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 09/8/2018 @ 00:18am

Phillip

you are so full of it that it is not funny

do not play the innocent and do not pretend that you are some kind of protector.

You are the one trying to run the show and bully people away.

I have facts unlike you and others that think opinion is just as good as fact

You lie and twist just like you are doing now.

Stop stalking me and pissing over what I am saying.

You do harass me like you harass others who do not go along with your group think.

If it is true it is not slander. Just look at American Breed. That is stalking.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 09/8/2018 @ 00:28am

I'm not the protector. Others can speak for themselves. I'm just not gonna let you talk to me like that.

You've got facts that you can never duplicate or corroborate. It's no better than an opinion. If I'm so full of it, so are you.

I like to debate. I don't want to bully or drive folks away, I just want to discuss. If you don't want to believe that, that's on you.

It is slander. Our discussion on the American Breed was just that, another debate. I don't follow you across forums, I don't try to hunt you down on social media or in real life. We're here on the same forum. I don't go looking for posts of yours to reply to. You just come up in the Latest Comments feed. That's it. That's not stalking, that being denizens of the same message board. So yes, it is slander.

Have a good night.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 09/8/2018 @ 00:38am

It is not discussion when you comment on a lot of what I said with the express purpose of discrediting what I said. I present facts and I back it up. You however almost ever back up what you claim are facts. So stop lying. Go look at the nonsense you wrote that you can not back up. Definition of a superstation, where PBS stations get programming from. Then on Joe Tex I provided links so people could form their own opinions and see what others thought of him. Then you came on and started spouting sexist nonsense.

You do not want a friendly conversation but just show up to piss over facts that I do back up with links.

You have only backed up what you say are facts only a couple of times. The rest of the time you refuse to back yourself up.

By the way do you even know the difference between a DJ and a sports announcer which is often for a team and can be local or national like the major networks. If you look at the djs a third are from Chicago stations and WLS set the bar for top 40 stations during the mid 60s to the mid 70s.

One day when you are old enough, you will understand what it is like to have a smarmy little kid act like they know more about a time period you lived through and they were not even born yet.

Okay Mr I am a Sox fan

Who played for the Bulls, Sox and Hawks and is in the Baseball Hall of Fame?

Who is Pudge?

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 09/8/2018 @ 01:03am

" Is it racist to accuse others of racism? Because that's pretty much the most "racist" thing that our primary R&B fanatic has had to say."

Hmmm....

I wonder who he means by THAT ?? (LOL)

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 09/8/2018 @ 21:34pm

In a general statement that encompasses the whole group, yes it is racist. To say all whites are racist is a racist statement. I am not talking about an individual or a consistent behavior of an organization.

There are some African Americans that are racist against whites

out of all the women inducted this is the following breakdown.

AA - 33
European decent - 23
Mexican and European decent - 2

Take into consideration population breakdown and you have an even more glaring difference.

Check out this article

http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/centers/hitchcock/publications/amr/v43-2/gentry.php


You haven't commented on Herb Kent. I am surprised.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 09/8/2018 @ 22:32pm

Racism is WRONG and STUPID no matter WHO practices it.

Now ....will SOMEONE please tell the NON COM & VOTING BODY ???

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 09/9/2018 @ 00:06am

Hey Bill G., didn't want you to be dragged into it, but yes, you have accused the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame of being racist.

Zuzu,

That's part of what discussing things around here is. Taking people's arguments, questioning the veracity and validity of sources, etc. There's a world of difference between getting a news story from Reuters and getting it from Fox News, for example. That's just the nature of the beast, and I sincerely hope you're not taking it personally when I do. And sometimes it will come down to a matter of opinion based on what we believe is more important. And when it does, it's fine to agree to disagree. Even when I criticize your perception of rock and roll as myopic, it's usually not an attack on your general character. It really is simply about whether something is part of rock and roll or not. In fact, I actually do respect you, even though I don't agree with you that often.

But no you don't back stuff up. You say, "I once read" or something along those lines. You insist that others need to do their research, but you don't provide YOUR sources either. Just something that you read once somewhere. If a source can't be verified, it's pretty much the same as not having a source at all. Well, my Music Theory textbook called rock and roll a sub-genre of R&B, not a blending of R&B and country. I don't remember the name of the book or even my Music Theory professor's name. And the class was in the fall of '99. But it was academic enough for a college course. So, how much is that really worth to you? How well am I backing up my statement by giving you that much information about my source? Because that's about the extent to which you back up your statements too.

I've seen the "Soul Train" clip. I don't know what you're seeing, but the woman he's dancing with is playing a part, those facial reactions are scripted. It's a creepy song. I'm not denying that. I don't like that song. But it's one song in his entire catalog. It'd be like dismissing the entirety of the Beatles' work because of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer."

And yes, I do know what I'm talking about when I talk about superstations, and about PBS programs, though the nature of the industry has likely changed since I studied telecomm, due to various technological and other various advances. Not to mention the difference between deejays and sports announcers. I worked in radio for eight years. I was a board-op for affiliate work of both professional and college sports. But I also was an on-air talent for about five of those years too. I know what dayparts are, such as morning drive, midday, afternoon drive, weekend overnights, etc. So if someone has been a longtime host of an afternoon drive program in a market that is NOT the headquarters for the default first-run (live, satellite) sports programming, it's a local personality.

Chicago's a great place to make it big, I'm not saying it's not. But for a musical performer, it matters to make it beyond Chicago, at least if you want to make the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. And for a radio or business person, great place to make a living. But being well-known in the toddlin' town doesn't mean you're actually helping to spur along the evolution and perpetuation of rock and roll. As I said, though, Herb Kent actually does have a case, because he had a big hand in helping Motown's rise to prominence. I'll give him that credit. And if he makes the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, my song to salute him will be a Motown gem, maybe the Isley Brothers' "This Old Heart Of Mine," or Marvin Gaye's "Pride And Joy." Maybe go broader with soul for something by the Impressions. It won't, however, be Little Caesar And The Romans' "Those Oldies But Goodies."

And hey, lotsa respect for Carlton Fisk, but as a Tigers' fan, Ivan Rodriguez will always be "Pudge" to me. It's also worth noting that my love of MLB, to follow it like I do the Rock Hall, got killed off by the big strike in the early '90s. Since then, I haven't followed it nearly as intently (except for my radio career when I worked many a Tigers' game in our affiliate's studio). I still enjoy a good game, and will always be rooting for my Tigers to make the World Series. And if it's the White Sox versus the Jays or A's, I'm rooting for the White Sox. But I couldn't even tell you the current Tigers' roster. But I'm still a Tigers' fan, because that's the team I root for. Because that's what being a fan of a sports team means to me these days. Even though I should be rooting for the Mariners and Seahawks now. It's Tigers, Pistons, Red Wings... and yes even the Lions for me.

Again, the big takeaway is that you really shouldn't take anything personally. To discuss, dissect, debate, discredit, and to even be devil's advocate sometimes... that's par for the course here, at least for me. If I've ever come off as sexist, I apologize, but I also don't know what specifically you held as sexist. Because from where I sit, my diction, tone, and tenacity are pretty much the same for when I debated Bill G., mrxyz, and liam in the past. I respect them (well, liam a little less), and I do respect you as well.

Cheers.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09/9/2018 @ 00:12am

Apparently it's reached the point where you need to retain a battalion of lawyers, fact checkers, psychoanalysts, and PR consultants in order to make a post at Future Rock Legends.

SHEEEEEEEEEEESH

Posted by joker on Sunday, 09/9/2018 @ 03:27am

Phillip

Rock and roll never came out of r&b. R&b is a marketing term. It was a blending of country and blues. Forget some idiot posing as a college instructor. Based on what you say this was mot tenured professor. Just look up what early rock and rollers say. Look at what is said from people not connected with JW and the nom com. They are a propaganda source and are therefore not reputable.

Phillip

STOP LYING!!!!

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING

You never back up what you say because all you do is try to pass your UNEDUCATED OPINION off as fact.

WHAT PART OF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION ON THIS DID YOU NOT GET. I could give a F about what you think, seriously. I did not put a link to that video for you to piss all over it. I put it up so people could read non-sexist opinions and see the video themselves.


OBVIOUSLY YOU DID NOT LOOK UP HERB KENT.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 09/9/2018 @ 03:51am

Bill

.should be racism and sexism. Apparently RS thinks that the appropriate place for white women in r & r is being a groupie. Based on what I have been told by friends that are survivors of molestation those women were most likely molested when they were younger.

I really would like to hear what you have to say about Herb Kent. Several well known artist have had something to say about him. He was a torchbearer for soul and funk. He broke down many walls for African Americans in radio and was the first African American DJ to be inducted into the Radio Hall of Fame.

I notice you bring up Don Cornelius but you skip over all the breakthroughs in radio which came first. And shouldn't Don Cornelius' mentor from his WVON days be inducted first?

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 09/9/2018 @ 04:04am

Zuzu,

I'm not lying. I don't know what you think I'm lying about? You want to see a photocopy of my college degree? You need to see my resume from when I worked in commercial radio? Need to call the company I used to work for?

And yes, it was a tenured professor. The music class focused primarily on earlier music, primarily the Baroque and Classical eras. The book itself only gave lip service to the very concept of popular music in the modern era.

We must have seen different clips, because I watched a video of people dancing while Tex performed. If you're referring to the Comments section, I don't read YouTube comments as a general rule. And discussing it is not "pissing all over it."

AND I LOOKED UP HERB KENT! The *vast* majority of sources referred to him as a "Chicago legend" or "Chicago deejay," and that stars remember talking with him, and that he was always a great guy. The only sources that mentioned his work in actually being a big part in the promotion and exhibition of soul was that one PBS special you gave me a link to, and one obituary I found. I don't have the time or the inclination to read a biography on him at this point. And in any event, I said he has a case for the Hall. Isn't that enough? Is it really THAT important to you that I both agree that he needs to be inducted retroactively as a member of the Class Of 1986, and that I also have to agree FOR THE EXACT SAME REASONS AS YOU? Can't it be enough for me to agree with you, but for different reasons? Seriously, a person can have a different take on something and still come to the same verdict.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09/9/2018 @ 18:01pm

Phillip

I would not want a person like you knowing where I lived

You are a liar and I would not believe anything you sent me as being the genuine article.

You do not discuss - you hound and belittle and piss allover what I say. I do not know what the hell you are talking about me backing up what I say when more often or not I give links. And I also tell how to get info in general on what I am talking about.

You say it is not personal yet I do not see you demand sources from others and I have seen ambiguous statements like they are really influential yet do not list who or only come from sources like allmusic that often have the wrong info Exp Screamin Jay Hawkins and Steve Goodman both have a song called Yellow Coat. allmusic listed Hawkins song covered by artist. I went and verified every sing entry with another source. So do not give me your LIES AND BS that I do not back things up.

You do not treat the guys like this. The only time I seen you act like this is with another woman.

Superstation and PBS sources - You do not know what you are talking about. You make things up and bs your way to not owning up to the fact that you are wrong. All anybody needs to look up both to see that you are full of it

BS you have been insinuating that Herb Kent was only of local significance. How many times have you said only in Chicago. Well guess what. 1/3 of the DJs inducted into the radio Hall of Fame are from Chicago. That says that what happened in Chicago was of importance outside Chicago.

R&B is a marketing term. You have soul and funk. Blues and Jazz are two genres that have existed since the late 1800s. Little Richard and Elvis say Blues. Chuck Berry used country and Elvis already came out of country.

Phillip you are not squirming your deceitful way out of this one. I am putting my foot down because I am sick and tired of you offensive behavior.

You are only doing this now since I mentioned that my computer was fried.

In January I was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. Not dire - terminal. I was in the clear as of my last visit to oncologist. I have been having symptoms that may indicate the cancer has returned. I have told you I don not have the strength or time to play your nonsense game.

All you have done is to act like a total sexist jerk. I am not your mama to go cleaning up after your messes. GET OFF YOUR F'N BUT AND LOOK THINGS UP AND CLEAN UP YOUR OWN MESSES!!!!!!

I-Rod I knew it. How long did that computer search take? Still haven't found the other one. You are an unethical person to get that I-Rod and BS were both out of line to take the nickname of another famous person.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 09/9/2018 @ 20:39pm

"Hey Bill G., didn't want you to be dragged into it, but yes, you have accused the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame of being racist." -Philip.

I DO agree with ZUZU here...they are both Racist AND Sexist.
They prefer to induct White Males over virtually EVERY OTHER group. The statistics and inductees lists PROVE IT.
Now, it wasn't ALWAYS that way... but, since Rock and Roll President and CEO Terry Stewart was replaced by GREG HARRIS, and the NON COM members that are most likely to nominate female and racially diverse acts were fired a few years ago, everything changed.
1) The Voting Body has changed too: The LAST R&B- Identified Group actually inducted by The Voting Body was LITTLE ANTHONY & THE IMPERIALS...and that was NINE YEARS AGO !!

2) As inducted R&B acts of the past have started dying off,and more White Rock acts are inducted, they join the Voting Body,so R&B acts don't have a chance !! White Males now DOMINATE the Voting Body....and The Inductees' Lists.

3) The Non Com has assembled a list of perennial R&B LOSERS (Joe Tex, The Meters, Chic,WAR, Chaka Khan & Rufus) that they can depend on to LOSE, year after year, so they draw on, and nominate from, this list OVER and OVER, to INSURE that they'll NEVER secure enough votes to get inducted...while Superstar R&B acts (Male and Female) who actually have a CHANCE with the voters, are, for the most part, never put on the ballot. If the Nom Com never nominates them, they CAN'T BE VOTED ON....thus they have NO CHANCE for induction.

Case in Point:
SNUBBED FEMALE ACTS: Dionne Warwick, Patti LaBelle & The Blue Belles/LaBelle, Mary Wells, The Marvelettes, Connie Francis, Leslie Gore, The Pointer Sisters, The Shangri-Las, Pat Benatar, Phoebe Snow, Betty Everett, Cher,
Jackie DeShannon, Anita Baker,SADE (THE ARTIST and THE GROUP) JANET JACKSON, and numerous others.

SNUBBED SUPERSTAR R&B ACTS:
THE COMMODORES, THE SPINNERS, BARRY WHITE, LOU RAWLS, HAROLD MELVIN & THE BLUE NOTES, JR. WALKER & THE ALL-STARS, THE CHI-LITES, THE STYLISTICS, THE DELFONICS, RICK JAMES & THE STONE CITY BAND, THE WHISPERS, THE MANHATTANS, THE DRAMATICS (who were actially INTERVIEWED at the HALL of FAME, but never nominated ) The aforementioned SPINNERS, MARVELETTES, and MARY WELLS, JERRY BUTLER, BEN E. KING, JOHNNIE TAYLOR9who recorded the FIRST R.I.A.A. Certified Platinum Single in HISTORY !!)
GENE CHANDLER (SHOCKED that "The Duke of Earl" is not in...especially with some 40 chart hits and numerous awards !!) CHUCK JACKSON, DAVID PORTER, (ISAAC HAYES is in, but what about his award-winning songwriting partner ??) ASHFORD and SIMPSON (numerous songwriting credits...plus FOUR Certified Gold Albums as performers !!) NORMAN WHITFIELD & BARRETT STRONG) (DITTO), THE DOMINOES, and numerous others...

OTHER SNUBBED 50'S AND '60'S ACTS:
The BELMONTS, THE CLOVERS, ELLA FITZGERALD (definitely should be in as a Early Influence), ROY HAMILTON,THE CLEFTONES, JOHNNY MAESTRO,THE WAILERS, PAUL ANKA, NEIL SEDAKA, and others...

But....one ONE demographic group gets inducted OVER and OVER ?? And some people think that's OK ?

******* WOW.******
And ...as for YOU, Philip, I refer you to your own blogs of October 14, 2015, April 13, 2016, December 15, 2016, were YOU YOURSELF complain about the lack of racial, gender, and generational diversity....so WHY are YOU arguing with ZUZU about the EXACT SAME THING ???

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 09/9/2018 @ 20:44pm

Zuzu,

I missed where you said your computer was fried, and I am truly sorry to hear of your stage 4 diagnosis. That truly sucks. Cancer runs in my family, and I saw my maternal grandmother suffer from it. And she was already in her 80's, so her suffering wasn't nearly as long as yours has probably already been. I really can't imagine what you're going through, and I know you think I'm bs'ing you yet again, but I mean what I say.

I don't know what specifically about PBS stations you're calling BS. A quick search shows that they get most from outside distributors (such as the CTW), but some stations do raise enough money in member dues to produce or at least help underwrite some original programming. That's pretty much what I said, iirc.

Let me ask you this: what do you consider "discussing" that I am not doing? Am I not saying enough positive things? Maybe you are the only person I've asked for sources... I really don't think so, but I'm not combing through all the posts I've made on this forum. Pretty sure I've asked mrxyz a couple times for sources. But even if you are, I still argue with the same style and tone with others that I do you. When it comes to backing up, I suppose I'm more used to copy-and-paste quoting with listing of the source, but that's clearly not your style. And admittedly, that's more on other forums than here. When you tell me what to look up, it's a little vague. When you post the link to that Joe Tex video on Soul Train, I don't see any reactions that you wouldn't expect to see on a show of that nature. What are you seeing that you think I need to?

Re: Chicago... Okay, but how many of those Radio Hall inductees spent the ENTIRETY of their careers in Chicago? How many were hosts of syndicated radio programs that were distributed to the whole nation? And again, being a big name jockey alone doesn't mean you helped rock and roll music evolve.

As for Herb Kent... well, take credit there. You've actually helped change my mind a little bit. I still think it says something that a lot of people here who follow the Hall and keep track of notable personalities even in the Non-Performer category, hadn't heard of him until you got here, when they've advocated for Wolfman Jack, Cousin Brucie, and Casey Kasem. But hey, our collective knowledge isn't comprehensive either, and that's one reason I'm glad you're here. But it's clear that what Herb did in Chicago sent ripples throughout the rest of the country, in terms of promoting the music of Black artists. I give him credit for that, and think there's a case for him to be inducted.

As for Rodriguez, hey, I told you I'm a Tigers fan first. Why shouldn't I think of Pudge Rodriguez. The games I board-opped, he was never called "Ivan." He was always announced by Dan and Jim as "Pudge Rodriguez." Didn't need to search for that, or for Fisk. As I said though, I stopped following MLB closely by the early-to-mid-'90s after that major strike ruined it for me, and I've never been a historian of Baseball. Honestly, other than Kell, Kaline, Cobb, and Greenberg, I can't even name any Tigers from before the '80s... maybe one or two more that I can't think of this second. Anyway, Pudge Rodriguez. It's not a crime, or even a moral failing to be a Tigers fan.

Anyway, good luck with your cancer treatments. That really is terrible, and I hope it stays the hell away from you.


........................................

Bill, simply put, the debate is over who should be in and who shouldn't. Half the artists you rattle off, Zuzu would say don't belong and/or are not part of rock and roll. I have no problem with White women like the Shangri-La's, Lesley Gore, Pat Benatar, Patsy Cline, the Go-Go's, Judy Collins, et al. being inducted. But even when I gave my list, she pissed all over it saying I wasn't supportive of the right female artists (my summary, not her actual words), and she also got upset that most of my list of women I'd like to see inducted were Black female artists. Just because I support more women and minorities getting inducted doesn't mean I support ever minority or woman, or necessarily the same ones that others support. And we can hopefully agree to disagree.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09/9/2018 @ 23:27pm

Bill G., understand it is time consuming & tedious to try & get a sense of what the Zuzu is saying, but if you read her screeds closely, you'll see that she is advocating primarily for more white female inductees & says it is a form of racism, if these ladies are passed over for various minority acts.

As Phillip noted, at least 1/2 the acts you mentioned above she would say are not worthy of Hall recognition.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 09/10/2018 @ 12:40pm

I'm years late to the party but Zuzu clearly needs to get a life lol

Posted by :) on Friday, 10/8/2021 @ 12:39pm

He should be included in ME/EI category now. He deserves induction but will not have a chance on ballot. He is not as famous as the Spinners. I would also like to know why he is snubbed and Percy Sledge and Bobby Womack were inducted only using one try. Joe Tox was more popular and influential I think.

Posted by power on Friday, 12/1/2023 @ 20:56pm

power,

i disagree, ive heard 110th street and its all over now many times in many places, ive never heard a joe tex song anywhere

Posted by will m on Thursday, 02/8/2024 @ 08:44am

Will M,

I don't live in the United States, so I don't know how popular songs of these two acts are in the United States. I just checked the billboard list and found that Joe Tex has about three of the top ten songs on the billboard, while Bobby Womack only has one. Yes, what you said is right. I did not experience the true relevance and influence of their songs because I live outside the United States.

Posted by power on Thursday, 02/8/2024 @ 09:14am