Way too early 2014 ballot prediction:

Nirvana
NWA
Whitney Houston
One of these: Cure/Depeche/Smiths/Roxy
One of these: Kiss/Bon Jovi
One of these: Moody Blues/Yes/Deep Purple
Two of these: T Rex/War/Tommy James/Chicago
Kraftwerk
Chic
Spinners
Stevie Ray Vaughn
NY Dolls
Linda Ronstadt
Some fairly obscure old dude: like Dick Dale

Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 07/25/2013 @ 19:34pm

My Predictions: The 15 Nominees for the 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

01. Mary Wells
02. The Marvelettes
03. Dionne Warwick
04. Linda Ronstadt
05. The Monkees
06. The Zombies
07. Jan and Dean
08. Deep Purple
09. Yes
10. KISS
11. Chicago
12. Chic
13. Nirvana
14. Stevie Ray Vaughan
15. N.W.A

Posted by Roy on Friday, 07/26/2013 @ 06:14am

I must admit that you have an interesting list Roy. Of course the idea of pitting Yes against Deep Purple could prove quite interesting. Stevie Ray Vaughan is a wildcard; he could show up on the list easily. When I came up with my list, I had taken into account and had considered the media presence of each of those groups:

Duran Duran has a great deal of media presence, have a rabid fan base and are going to bring in a large audience, besides artists such as: Bob Geldof, Niles Rodgers and Lou Reed have heaped high praise on them.

The Moody Blues have recently received 3 major
endorsements from present "hall of famers." "Prog" has become cool now and they are considered one of the founders of the genre.

Foreigner and Mick Jones, in particular has been loved by Rolling Stone for decades.

Carly Simon is considered one of the most popular singer/ songwriters of all time, she could easily take the spot vacated by Randy Newman.

The Doobie Brothers are a good old fashioned "rock and roll band" tied to previous inductee Steely Dan via Jeff "Skunk" Baxter and Michael McDonald. Plus, they are well liked by various critics.

Jeff Lynne and/or E. L. O. has been endorsed as being an important artist by Tom Petty and Sir Paul McCartney, both previous inductees. Plus, the video "Mr. Blue Sky" has been in constant rotation on VH1 Classic and Palladia for several months.

Sade has been loved by critics for decades, plus she wrote her own songs.

Nirvana is a no-brainer. They are considered as having a "pivotal" role in the development of grunge and continuing the punk ethos.

Therefore, here is my list:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Foreigner
4. Electric Light Orchestra
5. Doobie Brothers
6. Sade
7. Carly Simon
8. Nirvana













If I were to tweak last year's list of nominees and

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 07/26/2013 @ 10:12am

My early list is more a prediction list than a personal wish list (in no particular order):

1) NWA
2) The Marvelettes
3) Nirvana
4) The Spinners
5) War
6) Eric B. & Rakim
7) The Zombies
8) Kraftwerk
9) Deep Purple
10) The O'Jays
11) Albert King
12) KISS
13) Mary Wells
14) The Doobie Brothers
15) Peter Tosh

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 07/26/2013 @ 12:38pm

The O'Jays are already in!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 07/26/2013 @ 15:23pm

Rod Argent's little love letter to the Hall recently could set the Zombies up for nomination too. They put both Donovan and (Small) Faces on the 2012 ballot, they probably wouldn't hesitate to put both Procol Harum and the Zombies together too.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 07/26/2013 @ 17:36pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKuyTciWUXM

Roy is right. The O'Jays are already inducted. Class of 2005.

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 07/26/2013 @ 17:44pm

Philip-I had the Zombies pegged in my predictions last year, and I think the year before. After the Argent letter, I think I'll keep sticking with them until it happens.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 07/26/2013 @ 20:31pm

Most of these lists so far are solid and reasonable, but a couple are way too narrow and self absorbed to be taken seriously (and it's been explained to the parties in question multiple times why their predictions cant be taken seriously).

If I said that next year's class would be Kraftwerk, the Cure, Roxy Music, Buzzcocks, Black Flag, Siouxsie & the Banshees and Nirvana, how many people would take that seriously? Hopefully none, because that prediction is so far up my own ass that it shouldn't be taken seriously. But, that's what a couple of these lists look like to me.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 07/26/2013 @ 20:47pm

I am truly sorry, I had meant to say:

Duran Duran is another glaring omission.
Duran Duran has a great deal of media presence. Duran Duran has a large fan base. Duran Duran are going to bring in a large audience. Artists such as: Nile Rodgers, Bob Geldof and Lou Reed have heaped piles of praise upon them. Additionally, the Hall had been criticized for it's lack of 1980's acts. Unlike most of their contemporaries, Duran Duran are still going strong 33 years later and are still creating new music.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 07/27/2013 @ 11:29am

Oh what the heck, let's add Stevie Ray Vaughan to the inductee list as a "posthumous" induction for another blues great.

There is also, the possibility of seeing a renomination for Deep Purple as well. They certainly do have a great deal of support, Lars Ulrich of Metallica, Geddy Lee of Rush and Ann Wilson of Heart have called for their induction. Of course, I do think that "Smoke OnThe Water" is their signature song. They are also seen as a "prog" band, due to their first three albums. Their third album, "Deep Purple" with the Hieronymous Bosch cover is in my honest opinion, their best
recording, 'April,' 'Chasing Shadows' and 'Blind' are masterpieces.

So, taking that into consideration let's add both of those artists to the nominees list.

Chic
Deep Purple
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Duran Duran
Electric Light Orchestra
Doobie Brothers
Ice-T
Carly Simon
The Moody Blues
Sade
Foreigner
Nirvana
Kraftwerk
The Marvelettes
The Spinners

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 07/27/2013 @ 11:45am

Glad O'Jays are already in. Thanks, Roy.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 07/29/2013 @ 07:40am

Enigmaticus, on the subject of Duran Duran. I am not agin them getting in, yet I wonder if they have the 'sustained greatness' the Hall loves.

To use an example, I think Duran Duran's best songs are 'Hungry Like the Wolf' and 'Rio'. If they aren't the best songs, then they are right up there. Those songs came out quite early in Duran Duran's career.

Contrast that with a band like Garbage. This band has been around for a number of years. Although they never had songs early in their career (or probably any other time) that were as popular as the 2 I mentioned above, they have in their recent album a song called 'Blood for Poppies'. This song is (IMO) probably as good as any song they have ever done.

So, you have a band that has been around for approx 19 years & they have a song out that may be their greatest.

Has Duran Duran put out any songs (19 or more years in) that would compare to 'Hungry Like the Wolf' or 'Rio'?

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 07/30/2013 @ 14:36pm

I think "A View to a Kill" is another song that has to be mentioned in any discussion of Duran Duran's best songs!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Tuesday, 07/30/2013 @ 19:33pm

Paul - Love your breakdown of the situation. I might argue for some of Garbage's early works as being close to top flight Duran Duran.

I also agree w/Vendl about "A View To A Kill". It's either #1 or #2 on my DD faves (it switches w/"Hungry Like The Wolf", depending on what mood I'm in).

The problem of longevity is twofold. One, I'm privately convinced that precious few of the voters go beyond the big hits of a band's peak era. Though this may not be the best example, since they were locks to get in, I always thought Led Zeppelin's "In The Evening" was one of the top 5 songs they ever did. Coming in 1979, it should've been after their peak yrs. in the 1st half of the 70's. Had a slightly lesser band had a history like this, the song might've been ignored.

There's one other thing I can toss in here that's of interest. I have a book at home called "Milk It", written by a gent named Jim DeRogatis. DeRogatis briefly wrote for Rolling Stone in the mid-90's, & as a result, he was sent a ballot for one of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame classes. In an article he wrote in 1996 (for the New York Press) he noted that in addition to the ballot, he was sent a cassette tape with ONE song from each artist up for election.

Think about it. Granted the limited nature of technology in 1996, they still could've sent a CD w/more than one song. If that's all they sent in 1996 to a potential voter, I'm willing to bet not much has changed, except the formatting. The chances that any voter is hearing the extended catalogs of any of the artists is questionable. This means they've got to find it for themselves.

Kinda' sucks, unless you're an act like Led Zeppelin. It puts a lot of borderline acts out in limbo, & is probably keeping them there.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 07/31/2013 @ 06:43am

Rick, Cheesecrop, 'A View to a Kill' is among their best I agree. Forgot that song. It was released in 1986, so I think it would still fall in Duran Duran's early period.

'In the Evening' is a great Led Zeppelin song. Interesting about a voter geting 1 song on a cassette tape! I wonder if they really have any idea about some of the bands they are voting (or not voting) on?

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 07/31/2013 @ 08:14am

That is interesting, Cheese. I remember reading a similar story in EW, I believe, about the Oscars. Supposedly elligible Oscar voters recieve a DVD of the films in whatever category they are voting in. I remember being disappointed to read that many of the Oscar voters freely admitted that they "didn't have time" to actually watch all of the films that they were supposedly judging for the Oscar. So for many Oscar voters, it just came down to familiar names and reputation, vs. the actual works they were supposed to be judging that year.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 08/1/2013 @ 05:24am

And there you have the answer to why the Oscars have stagnated, lo' these many yrs. :)

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 08/1/2013 @ 06:01am

Paul in KY,

Yes indeed. In my honest opinion, Duran Duran has quite a few songs which rival, if not exceed 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf.' Among these are: the aforementioned, theme song from the James Bond film, "A View To A Kill," 'Ordinary World' and 'Come Undone' from "Duran Duran (1993) aka "The Wedding Album," 'Reach Up For The Sunrise' and 'What Happens Tomorrow' from "Astronaut," 'The Man Who Stole A Leopard,' 'Girl Panic,' 'All You Need Is Now,' 'Mediterranea' and 'Before The Rain' from "All You Need Is Now."

Thank you for your inquiry.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 08/1/2013 @ 09:22am

http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/topic/2011/Who-Do-You-Predict-Will-Be-on-This-Years-Ballot-2013#.UfsiDBbAVzs

Rock Hall expert Charles Crossley, Jr. made his 2014 predictions:

The Chantels
Chic
The Cure
Deep Purple
Depeche Mode
The "5" Royales
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
The Marvelettes
Nirvana
N.W.A
Gram Parsons
Procol Harum
Chuck Willis

Posted by FRL on Thursday, 08/1/2013 @ 23:07pm

My predictions for the 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees:

1. Nirvana - A no-brainer

2. Chic - Another no-brainer since there on their eighth nomination and Nile Rodgers has gotten good publicity with his collaboration with Daft Punk's "Get Lucky" and the announcement the he is all cleared for cancer

3. Yes - If their apperance in the Legends series next Wednesday turns out to be good, the Hall might give them at least a nomination (worked for Heart when they appeared in August of 2011 and got nominated a month later)

4. The Zombies - If Rob Argent's letter to the Hall doesn't help them, I don't know what will.

5. Procol Harum - Most of the time, Steven Van Zandt's nomination of British bands gets in every two years (DC5 in 2008, The Hollies in 2010 and the Small Faces/Faces in 2012). If they get in, they might be the 5th prog band to be inducted to the Hall (after Pink Floyd, Traffic, Genesis and Rush)

6. Stevie Ray Vaughn - With Albert King inducted, SRV might be next ever since he got mentioned most of the time during King's induction on April

7. NWA - A no-brainer for the Hip Hop slot on the ballot

8. Kraftwerk - EDM is getting really popular over the last few years and it was surprise that they were rising on the fan poll the Hall made before voting ended

9. Joan Jett & The Blackhearts - The Hall will keep nominating them until they are inducted

10. Patsy Cline - The blog in their website might give her the potential she need to be in the Hall of Fame

11. KISS/Deep Purple - With Rush finally inducted, the nominating committee might give one of them another chance

12. Mary Wells - She needs to be inducted right now and with The Marvelettes apperance on the ballot last year, the committee might revisit Motown again

13. LL Cool J - During the last 3 years, the Hall mostly nominates at least 2 Hip Hop acts. If they don't pick him, they might pick Eric B

14. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band - Jann Wenner still wants them in and the nominating committee might listen

15. Gram Parsons/Cat Stevens - One of them will get the spot for singer/songwriter

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 08/1/2013 @ 23:59pm

I'm up for the challenge. I was told by an economist that you cannot predict the rise and fall of the stock market; much to his dismay, I had predicted that to within one day; it had saved me thousands of dollars.

So, I consider the nominees for the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame to be even more nebulous. Four months prior to the nomination list coming out last year, I had predicted that the late Donna Summer, Heart and Rush would be inducted. After the nomination list had come out, I had voted for 4 out of the 5 inductees, on the fan's ballot. I had voted for: Rush, Heart, Randy Newman, Donna Summer and Procol Harum. Of course, I was not surprised that Albert King had been inducted, either.

The past several years, the Rock Hall has been criticized for not inducting many progressive rock, nor 1980's acts; personally, I cannot think of a 1980's act, more induction worthy than Duran Duran. Can you? Factor in the fact that Duran Duran had won a Bay area opinion poll earlier this year, along with the inclusion of "Rio" as a Classic album and the omnipresence of their Behind The Music remastered episode airing several times on VH1 Classic, in addition to several fan documentaries about them on youtube and and the fact that they are still around making great music and i feel that their nomination chances are very high. Therefore I
place them at the top of the list of acts that I feel are going to
be considered for induction in 2014.

Once again, here is my list:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Jeff Lynne and/or Electric Light Orchestra
4. The Doobie Brothers
5. Stevie Ray Vaughan
6. Carly Simon
7. Foreigner
8. Nirvana
9. Deep Purple
10. Chic
11. Kraftwerk
12. The Marvelettes
13. The Spinners
14. Sade
15. Ice-T


The nominees list is so variable and confusing, so I consider making up that list a major challenge. I happen to watch the media.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 08/2/2013 @ 15:47pm

The past several years, the Rock Hall has been criticized for not inducting many progressive rock, nor 1980's acts; personally, I cannot think of a 1980's act, more induction worthy than Duran Duran. Can you?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 08.2.13 @ 15:47pm
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Def Leppard.

Def Lep were huge in the 80's. Tell me "Pyromania" & "Hysteria" weren't everywhere when they came out. I know it's only two albums, but I'd rank them right alongside DD as definitive 80's omissions.

I know I do a lot of pumping for the 90's, but anyone who's been on this site & checked around knows that when I first showed up here yrs. ago, I pulled for some 80's acts as well. When I first arrived, we were on the cusp of the 80's acts becoming eligible for nomination in the Hall. It was still possible to think that they wouldn't mess up the 80's, or give them the critical short shrift. I know I was pulling for Def Lep, Tears for Fears, the Psychedelic Furs, and others. I think the days of the Hall getting it right by the 80's, During the 80's prime induction years, have gone. Still, it would be nice to see them get something right in the coming yrs.

btw - early Def Lep ain't so bad either. Now that I think of it, "Saturday Night (High & Dry) was another early Song Project number I was hoping would get in, but I'm still sitting on that one as well!

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 08/2/2013 @ 16:03pm

Does anybody know if 15 nominees are the cutoff, or could there be as many as 21?

If so, then I think that it is possible to add 6 additional nominees to my list:

Chicago
Yes
Lemmy and/or Motorhead
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Pat Benatar

Of course, if it were up to me than my list of 21 nominees would be somewhat different:

By genre: progressive rock and/or art rock (9 nominees)

The Moody Blues
Yes
Jethro Tull
Procol Harum
King Crimson
Supertramp
Electric Light Orchestra
Peter Gabriel
Gentle Giant

new wave and/or art rock (3 nominees)

Duran Duran
Roxy Music
The Cars

Hard Rock and/or Heavy Metal (3 nominees)

Deep Purple
Judas Priest
Twisted Sister

Singer songwriters (3 nominees)

Carly Simon
Carole King
Jim Croce

Hip Hop and/or R&B, Jazz etc. (3 nominees)

Ice-T
Queen Latifah
Sade












Hard rock and/or heavy metal (3 nominees)

Deep Purple

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 08/2/2013 @ 21:35pm

Of course, I was joking. The idea of nominating 9 progressive rock acts at the same time would be completely absurd.

Instead, I would not nominate more than 6

The Moody Blues
Yes
Jethro Tull
Electric Light Orchestra
Procol Harum
Chicago

Art rock and/or new wave

Duran Duran
Roxy Music
The Cars

Old fashioned rock & roll

The Doobie Brothers
Steve Miller Band
Stevie Ray Vaughan

Singer/songwriters

Carly Simon
Carole King, or Stevie Nicks
Jim Croce, or Pat Benatar

Hard rock

Deep Purple
Foreigner
Bad Company

R & B and/or Hip Hop

Ice-T
Queen Latifah
Sade

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 08/2/2013 @ 21:53pm

Artists who have been mentioned on the Rock Hall's website this year:

Patsy Cline
Dionne Warwick
The Zombies
Yes

Posted by Roy on Friday, 08/2/2013 @ 23:15pm

If Kraftwerk don't get another nomination imma be mad dissapointed.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 08/3/2013 @ 12:58pm

It is August. Thus, it means the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee are in the business of considering whom to at first nominate and then induct for their Class of 2014. In addition, it seems most likely the NomCom have been perusing this website to consider future inductees. To note, all 2013 Rock Hall inductees were honored by the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project beofre their induction outside of the website.

It thus comes to our attention that the inductees and finalists for the Rock Hall Class of 2014 will be drawn from those already in our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. I think there will be 7 inductees in the Performers category, and at least 2 non-performers inducted. In this post, my focus is on the performers that likely will be inducted.

Nirvana: a virtual lock.

N.W.A.: A second virtual lock.

Peter Gabriel: A tour of Europe in the fall, the release of the second portion of the covers collaboration with "And I'll Scratch Yours" bringing forth other artists recording Peter Gabriel's work: and a potential I/O and/or Odds and Sods release to coincide with important philanthropic ideals will likely result in an induction for Peter Gabriel by the end of this year. His induction needs to happen eventually: now would be the best time.

Deep Purple: proving the band's ability to soldier on after Jon Lord passed away with the release of Now What?! earlier this year, a Deep Purple induction is a near certainty. We shall see if this will bring Ritchie Blackmore to be in the same room as the other band members.

Kraftwerk: I believe the next time Kraftwerk gets on the shortlist for induction, they will be inducted. It may also be a prime opportunity for Ralf Hutter to meet again with his former bandmates.

Whitney Houston: an induction that should have occured in her lifetime is most assuredly to occur in the coming years. Whitney Houston was far more influential and unique than even a great deal of her backers and admirers would give credit for.

Soundgarden: Should be a virtual lock whenever the time comes for them to be named finalists. Also, a band that has succesfully reunited and continues to be great rockers at their age and time.

These are the 7 performers whom I believe to be inducted next year. I do, however, have ideas for 9 other artists that may likely be finalists by the September announcements; thus, potential inductions could occur for these greats as well.

The Pixies
Chic
Eurythmics
Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
Yes
Janet Jackson
The Spinners
The Runaways
LL Cool J

The remaining 9 finalists could change in all likelihood. It is not adirect inference but a probable guess. In addition, I do not think any artist not yet inducted into the Revisited/Projected Ropck Hall Project by the end of October will be a potential finalist for the Rock Hall NomCom to be considered next month.

Well, those are my ideas this night for what might be the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2014 induction ceremonies. Let me know if any of you have questions or comments about what was mentioned in this post. Just to let it be known, I have advocated for Peter Gabriel's induction since my first involvement with this website. I continue to advocate his induction for when the time comes. It is one of my unique trademarks on this website.

When was Foreigner ever considered highly praised by Rolling Stone?,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Sunday, 08/4/2013 @ 21:41pm

Rolling Stone gave all of Foreigner's albums between 4 and 5 stars.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 08/4/2013 @ 22:42pm

Rolling Stone also only had one Foreigner song their 500 greatest songs list (I Want to Know What Love Is) and none of their albums made it on to their 500 greatest albums list. They may have been highly praised in the past, but it hasn't lasted like it has for other artists like Bruce Spring, U2, etc.

Also why would the rock hall induct Foreigner before Journey?

Posted by Ryan on Monday, 08/5/2013 @ 00:01am

Ryan, because Foreigner is better than Journey.

Although (IMO) both bands will have to wait a long time for induction. Journey's will happen in an alternate universe.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 08/5/2013 @ 07:37am

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Posted by Roy on Monday, 08/5/2013 @ 20:52pm

1.- ELO (Electric Light Orchestra)

2.- Jeff Lynne

Posted by Dan on Tuesday, 08/6/2013 @ 05:13am

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I came to Cleveland to see winning sports team's.

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Carrier Pigeon's, Semaphores, Yodeling

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Whenever I think the KGB's onto me.

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Breed Yaks
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"I Can't Get No..."

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The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire would be nice.

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Is there money involved?

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Can I still enter any sweepstakes if I didn't make a purchase?

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I've been a member in spirit for many years now.

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This rises & falls in correlation w/how many good bands you induct or exclude.

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I sought sanctuary from a Viking assault there once.

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Sexism, I see!

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I was born a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...

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Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 08/6/2013 @ 06:30am

Cheese 4 member of the year 2013.

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 08/6/2013 @ 10:44am

Cheese 4 member of the year 2013.

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Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 08/6/2013 @ 16:44pm

Well done, Cheese.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 08/6/2013 @ 20:32pm

Locks To Be Inducted:

1. Nirvana
2. Chic - This time they will "get lucky"
3. N.W.A. - No splitting the vote with Public Enemy this year

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 08/7/2013 @ 22:32pm

The Other Nominees:

The Cure - People on the committee have recently said that the 80s new wave scene is the most ignored in the Hall...so if they want to do something about it, look no further than re-nominating this group

Deep Purple - Too many people in the institution pulling for them

Gram Parsons - For the obligatory Singer/Songwriter slot...if it's not him, it'll be Warren Zevon or Cat Stevens. Also, it's basically an automatic induction.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 08/7/2013 @ 22:32pm

MC5 - Been nominated before, still highly deserving. If not them, then New York Dolls.

The Marvelettes - Whoever pushed for them has no reason to stop now...most deserving of their ilk in my eyes.

Procol Harum - Sigh. Little Steven.

Stevie Ray Vaughan - Obligatory blues selection. An induction lock if he makes the ballot.

War - Mostly because of nominating committee laziness.

Yes - They've had too much association with the museum in recent years to not end up on the ballot soon.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 08/7/2013 @ 22:34pm

Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
New Order/Joy Division
KISS

Sorry that I had to break up my single message into multiple posts, but that spam protector is horrific. I am posting this without the reasons for the three artists listed above in order to get around said spam blocker.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 08/7/2013 @ 22:35pm

Here's what I Think the 2014 Hall of Fame will look like

Nominees

1. Nirvana

2. Whitney Houston

3. Peter Gabriel

4. The Pixies

5. Janet Jackson

6. Electric Light Orcesthra

7. The Cure

8. Kraftwerk

9. Deep Purple

10. KISS

11. Bon Jovi

12. N.W.A.

13. LL Cool J

14. The Spinners

15. Chic

Posted by Kyle on Friday, 08/9/2013 @ 08:52am

I'm a little surprised that absolutely *nobody* gives Phish a nomination chance so far.

Given the Hall's past history of ignoring progressive rock bands, I guess that's no surprise; since Phish and the jam bands that they inspired are as much children of Prog Rock as they are the hippie improv rock of the Grateful Dead.

But they are one of the 14 bands that Rolling Stone put on their "14 new Immortals" list recently, and they have in the past called the band one of the most important bands of the 90s.

Given that sort of hype, I would imagine that the ever influential Jann Wenner would be vocally supporting their nomination to the Hall.

Posted by BigTony on Friday, 08/9/2013 @ 12:51pm

Wish list...........
1 ..Sweet
2 ..Judas priest
3..ELO
4..Iron Maiden
5..The Cars
6..Kiss

Posted by Paul Horsley on Friday, 08/9/2013 @ 21:32pm

Unfortunately, I cannot seem to get any love for Sade, which is really too bad.

Now, Yes has recently started to get far more intention. Would the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induct more than one major "progressive rock" band in any given year? Yes just so happens to be my co-favorite band musically, but not lyrically. Can anybody guess what the other one is? With those cryptic lyrics, is it possible for anyone to really know, or do we have to guess what the heck Jon Anderson was singing about?

Even so, both Yes and The Moody Blues have deserved
induction into the RRHOF for quite a long time..

I'm up for the challenge. I was told by an economist that you cannot predict the rise and fall of the stock market; much to his dismay, I had predicted that to within one day; it had saved me thousands of dollars.

So, I consider the nominees for the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame to be even more nebulous. Four months prior to the nomination list coming out last year, I had predicted that the late Donna Summer, Heart and Rush would be inducted. After the nomination list had come out, I had voted for 4 out of the 5 inductees, on the fan's ballot. I had voted for: Rush, Heart, Randy Newman, Donna Summer and Procol Harum. Of course, I was not surprised that Albert King had been inducted, either.

The past several years, the Rock Hall has been criticized for not inducting many progressive rock, nor 1980's acts; personally, I cannot think of a 1980's act, more induction worthy than Duran Duran. Can you? Factor in the fact that Duran Duran had won a Bay area opinion poll earlier this year, along with the inclusion of "Rio" as a Classic album and the omnipresence of their Behind The Music remastered episode airing several times on VH1 Classic, in addition to several fan documentaries about them on youtube and and the fact that they are still around making great music and i feel that their nomination chances are very high. Therefore I
place them at the top of the list of acts that I feel are going to
be considered for induction in 2014.

Once again, here is my list:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Jeff Lynne and/or Electric Light Orchestra
4. The Doobie Brothers
5. Stevie Ray Vaughan
6. Carly Simon
7. Foreigner
8. Nirvana
9. Deep Purple
10. Chic
11. Kraftwerk
12. The Marvelettes
13. The Spinners
14. Sade
15. Ice-T
16. Yes


The nominees list has been so variable and confusing, so I consider making up that list a major challenge. I happen to watch the media.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 08.2.13 @ 15:47pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 08/10/2013 @ 06:11am

Joan Jett & the Black Hearts and Nirvana.

and maybe Bon Jovi.

Posted by Gwen on Saturday, 08/10/2013 @ 10:04am

Nirvana
NWA
Bon Jovi or Kiss
Deep Purple
Warren Zevon
Linda Ronstadt
The Marvelettes
Lou Reed
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Chic
MC5

Posted by Benji on Sunday, 08/11/2013 @ 16:30pm

nirvana
n.w.a
deep purple
the new york dolls
paul butterfield blues band
stevie ray vaughan
chic
yes
the zombies
cat stevens
kraftwerk
hall and oates
chicago
linda ronstadt
and the spinners

and my 2014 inductees(subject to change)

nirvana(first ballot)

deep purple(one of the 3 early hard rock british bands)

yes(one of the greatest prog bands along wit rush, genesis, and pink floyd)

stevie ray vaughan(great blues artist)

the spinners(for the philly sound/soul purpose)

linda ronstadt(great singer/songwriter)

and finally, the zombies(a stevie van zandt pick)

so seven inductees will be in for 2014 and like i said subject to change

Posted by chris on Sunday, 08/11/2013 @ 18:34pm

What about Todd Rundgren-singer, songwriter, musician, producer. He has done it all.

Posted by Anne on Sunday, 08/11/2013 @ 23:06pm

Here are my predictions for the 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nomination process later this year--

2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

1) Chic
2) The Cure
3) Deep Purple
4) Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
5) Kraftwerk
6) LL Cool J
7) The Marvelettes
8) The New York Dolls
9) Nirvana
10) N.W.A.
11) The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
12) Gram Parsons
13) Procol Harum
14) The Spinners
15) The Zombies

15 More Artists Who Should Be Considered/Reconsidered Regardless (But Probably Not for the 2014 nomination process):

1) Afrika Bambaataa (Nominated in 2008)
2) Bon Jovi (Nominated in 2011)
3) The Chantels (Nominated in 2001, 2010)
4) Patsy Cline
5) Duran Duran
6) Eric B. & Rakim (Nominated in 2011)
7) Peter Gabriel
8) Janet Jackson
9) Kiss (Nominated in 2011)
10) Mary Wells (Nominated in 1986, 1987)
11) MC5 (Nominated in 2003)
12) The Smiths
13) Stevie Ray Vaughan
14) War (Nominated in 2009, 2012)
15) Yes

Of the 15 Nominated Artists, Here are the 6 that will get inducted in 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame:

Typically each year, the Rock Hall inducts 2-3 rock Acts, 1 Hip Hop/Rap Act, 1 Soul/R&B Act and 1 Singer-Songwriter Act (As Seen in the most recent nominees and inductees), thus explains my predications for the 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees. Of course, it is too early to tell which artists the nominating committee decides to nominate (and eventually induct), but I feel really confident about the artists that the Rock Hall might lean towards later this year.

Chic (Despite Chic getting nominated 7 times in the last 10 years, the disco group can now be considered a lock for induction in 2014 due in large part to Nile Rodgers’ hugely successful collaboration with Daft Punk on their hit single “Get Lucky.” Plus, Rodgers is now completely cured from cancer, so 2013 couldn’t end much better for him with Chic’s inevitable induction into the Rock Hall)

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts (She has been nominated in the last two years and garnered one the most votes on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s fan ballot last year (Jett was definitely in the top five on the fan ballot). She has been rocking for 30+ years as a solo artist with no end in sight. Jett will probably be this year’s female rock artist to get inducted)

Nirvana (The next and most obvious First-Ballot Hall of Fame band/artist in recent memory; their influence on modern music—grunge and alternative rock—is undeniable. The Rock Hall finally begins to add important ‘90s rock artists and it seems appropriate that Nirvana would be the first important band of the decade to be recognized)

N.W.A. (N.W.A. will doubtingly be the 5th-Ever Hip Hop Act Inducted into the Rock Hall and a sure lock for induction in 2014. It’s a shame they didn’t get inducted on their first ballot last year (due to Public Enemy’s nomination and eventual induction as the Rock Hall typically only inducts one hip hop/rap act each year). LL Cool J will be probably be the next Hip Hop act to be inducted in 2015)

Gram Parsons (Parsons is LONG overdue to get inducted into the Rock Hall, especially considering Parsons’ long-lasting influence on the country-rock genre. Parsons fills the always reliable singer-songwriter slot on the ballot and will most likely get inducted. Keith Richards will probably be the one to induct Parsons as well, so the Rock Hall should make it happen)

Procol Harum (This will be Steven Van Zandt’s 1960s British rock band pick that occurs every 2 years [Dave Clark Five (2008), The Hollies (2010), Faces (2012)] on the Rock Hall ballot. However, I wouldn’t necessarily be shocked if the Zombies got inducted in the place of Procol Harum.

**The Only 3 Locks for getting inducted in the 2014 process are Chic, Nirvana and N.W.A., the other 2-3 inductees could be a toss-up of other acts mentioned in my 15 picks

Posted by Nick on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 02:35am

Excellent post and predictions, Nick. Please consider getting involved in some of our other projects around here.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 02:51am

Thanks DarinRG for your kind words. I am very interested to get involve with projects on the website. Leave me your contact info so we can work together.

Posted by Nick on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 03:18am

Nick- You or anyone else around here are always free to contact me at darinrgailey@gmail.com . We have the monthly Song and Album Projects, we're in a protracted Song ranking project and about to do the last round of round of rankings for 70s eligible songs and will soon start the 80s. We also have our annual Super Bowl, our Hall of Fame vote coming up soon. (Usually the week that the RRHoF ballot is announced.)

Gassman is our emeritus leader, Darren is is our current hard working captain of the ship and there are many veterans who can help you get oriented. Just ask, we'll help you.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 04:13am

It would be about a month before the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announced its nominees for the 2014 Induction Ceremony. We all know the rockist people will really angry when an act from either the 70s or early 80s isn't on the ballot but a rap act is in the ballot and blame Jann Wenner for getting a non rock act nominated/inducted. When they complain, they are mostly wrong, and here are some of my viewpoints on why rockist are mostly wrong.

Rockist always complain when a rap or pop act is inducted and saying that they are not "Rock and Roll". But pop and rap actually is rock and roll. Pop is another term for rock and roll in my opinion because Elvis, Chuck Berry, and the Beatles were using pop tunes in most of there songs. Rap is the same as rock and roll because they youth finds them more appealing and sometimes bring the message but I think the reason don't want rap acts because they mostly look on today's rap figures and didn't even give the 80s and early 90s hip hop a chance. They also say that hip hop keeps inducted, but there are only 4 inducted (Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, Beastie Boys and Public Enemy). The number of rap acts inducted is the same as prog inductees (Pink Floyd, Traffic, Genesis and Rush). I also want to state that every year, the acts that are classified as "Rock and Roll" is more than the ones that aren't are inducted. Mostly, the Hall inducts 60s acts instead of 70s/80s acts.

Jann Wenner is always the target for rockist when their favorite band is snubbed because he runs the whole foundation. But he doesn't have the power over the nominating committee because he is not in the nominating committee since 2006. The only thing is try influence them and vote on the ballot since he got inducted in 2004. Rockist also say the he wants put hip hop acts inducted, but Wenner mostly supports lesser knowing bands like The J. Geils Band and the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, but surprisingly, they are not even inducted. They think he is the one that picks them, if he does, then why does the Hall release a list of nominees and have to wait for 2 months. Its really stupid. The ones that pick the inductees are critics, scholars, fans (if they continue the fan poll again) and the current living Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees.

Here are viewpoints on why rockists are mostly wrong when they complain to the Hall.

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 04:38am

I disagree that rockism blends deeply into the 80s crowd. It seems to be more of a boomer, 70s mullet rocker phenomenon.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 04:44am

Actually, thinking on it, I retract my comment. The rockist element of the 80s is alive and well, I just try to pretend that that the worst of that decade didn't exist.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 04:52am

Actually, thinking on it, I retract my comment. The rockist element of the 80s is alive and well, I just try to pretend that that the worst of that decade didn't exist.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 04:53am

We all know the rockist people will really angry when an act from either the 70s or early 80s isn't on the ballot but a rap act is in the ballot and blame Jann Wenner for getting a non rock act nominated/inducted. When they complain, they are mostly wrong, and here are some of my viewpoints on why rockist are mostly wrong.

Rockist always complain when a rap or pop act is inducted and saying that they are not "Rock and Roll". But pop and rap actually is rock and roll. Pop is another term for rock and roll in my opinion because Elvis, Chuck Berry, and the Beatles were using pop tunes in most of there songs. Rap is the same as rock and roll because they youth finds them more appealing and sometimes bring the message but I think the reason don't want rap acts because they mostly look on today's rap figures and didn't even give the 80s and early 90s hip hop a chance. They also say that hip hop keeps inducted, but there are only 4 inducted (Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, Beastie Boys and Public Enemy). The number of rap acts inducted is the same as prog inductees (Pink Floyd, Traffic, Genesis and Rush). I also want to state that every year, the acts that are classified as "Rock and Roll" is more than the ones that aren't are inducted. Mostly, the Hall inducts 60s acts instead of 70s/80s acts.

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 08.12.13 @ 04:38am
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I'm not sure I follow you fully here, but I get the gist of it.

Artists like Elvis, Berry, & the Beatles were barely skimming the pop surface, especially Elvis & Berry. Pop in the mid-50's is all crooners, easy listening music, & what little acceptable jazz hit the market (not counting the more cerebral bop acts, or the avant garde stuff of the moment). When you talk modern pop, I assume you mean the stuff that started in the 1980's, namely the synth & drum machine crowd. I'm not sure how it can be rock if it's blues-less, jazz-less, country-less, folk-less music. I'm assuming your referencing more techno-ended new wave, & not the choreographed dance acts of the 80's onward. I don't think Anyone can really make a case for the New Kids/N'Sync/Britney-styled stuff.

You needn't worry about some of those groups being inducted, cause they will be, eventually. When it comes to rap, it'll be more of the same. I'm not sure it's a question of giving 80's/90's hip-hop a chance, as seeing the older rock acts being shoved aside for no apparent reason. If the Rock Hall went ahead in the next two yrs. & inducted KISS, Deep Purple, Chicago, Bon Jovi, Def Lep, Journey, etc., you probably wouldn't hear that much complaining about seeing a 2Pac or a Biggie Smalls getting in down the line. It's the old Simple Minds song title that says it all -"Don't You Forget About Me".

I agree w/you that Wenner doesn't have as much pull as he once had, but he still has some clout. Some of the complaining is just backtracking on the part of those w/a gripe.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 10:10am

http://voices.yahoo.com/is-rock-roll-hall-fame-becoming-racist-10626903.html?cat=9

"We all know the rockist people will get really angry when an act from either the 70s or early 80s isn't on the ballot but a rap act is in the ballot and blame Jann Wenner for getting a non rock act nominated/inducted."

Rockists also don't like it when R&B acts get nominated or inducted...either.

They should be very happy with the inductions of the last few years.

The Marvelettes, Mary Wells, The Spinners, WAR,Joe Tex, and Rufus (featuring Chaka Khan)have ALL been nominated and rejected...while Their Rock counterparts get nominated and inducted every year...
Rockists LOVE that.

(Rock + Racist= Rockist)

The change in demographics among the voters , not to mention their younger ages, not remembering the great R&B artists of the period prior to 1980 is a factor.
Another continuing problem is the ongoing induction of "fringe artists"..that is, artists who are Black...but are not R&B, as an excuse to keep R&B artists out of the Hall , while, at the same time , answering charges of racism with the claim that Black artists ARE getting in:

Examples of "fringe artists" are : Donna Summer (disco),Miles Davis (jazz), Jimmy Cliff (reggae), Freddie King (blues) Albert King (blues) Run DMC (Rap)

I am not saying that these artists are not deserving.I'm not even saying that they shouldn't be inducted...if I did, I'd be no better than the Rockists. But what I AM saying is...what makes THESE artists more deserving than artists such as:

Lou Rawls

Barry White

The Marvelettes

The Commodores

The Spinners

Gene Chandler

Dionne Warwick

Jr Walker & The All-Stars

The Manhattans

The Chi-Lites

The Delfonics

Harold Melvin and The Blue Notes

The Dramatics

The Whispers

...and numerous other great classic R&B acts who have been ignored...and continue being ignored...with the rise of Rap...and Rockists ?

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 14:27pm

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame did a lot to foster goodwill among R&B fans with the inductions of The Miracles, The Famous Flames,and The Midnighters (along with the Comets, Crickets, and Blue Caps) in 2012. But, these artists' inductions were merely corrections of prior mistakes. They SHOULD have been inducted with their lead singers decades ago in the FIRST place...the Hall was simply correcting mistakes that THEY THEMSELVES made...and the credentials of these groups were so towering, that the protests would have gone on FOREVER if they HADN'T gotten inducted.

(....and THE BELMONTS still haven't gotten in...)

Not counting the 3 aforementioned R&B groups, however, unless things change, fans of classic R&B artists will continue to see their favorites not inducted...

..and people wonder just WHY several executives of the RRHOF have left that organization to establish the new R&B Music Hall of Fame...

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-r-hall-and-how-it-might-affect-r.html

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 14:58pm

It's not even the middle of August but I guess I'll throw in my list of what I believe will be the 15 nominees for the 2014 ceremony:

NIRVANA-Self explanatory. The only newly eligible artist on my list.

JANE'S ADDICTION-The only band on my list that is not on this website's Previously Considered section.

CHIC

LL COOL J
AFRIKA BAMBAATAA
N.W.A.-I think the HOF will go crazy and put 3 rap/hip hoppers on the ballot. Sure to be a new norm.

THE CARS-because we need more new wave

DEEP PURPLE-the only hard rock act on my list. Hopefully more will show up than I think

KRAFTWERK-most people who know me know that this is the most influential and important group not in the HOF

THE COMMODORES-random left-field pick, as it has been the last 2 years

THE CURE-let's do this again

JOHNNY BURNETTE AND THE ROCK N ROLL TRIO-another left field pick (why leave out the nostalgia?)

PATSY CLINE-several different reasons why I put her on here. In fact, I don't even care if she sneaks thru the back door on this one

BON JOVI-Hey, its gotta happen sometime and out of the way soon, right?

There you have it. I'll admit it: it was hard for me to narrow it down to 15. I'm sure maybe at least half would show up on the real thing, but what do I know?

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 15:29pm

Nick, excellent picks, a lot of those will probably be on my list when I eventually get around to it. Definitely a welcome addition here.

Bill G., excellent commentary. My only critiques is that your definitions are a little narrow. Your definition of R&B kind of ignores the fact that R&B comes from the blues, and in itself is pretty blanket: rap, disco, and reggae are all considered forms, or subgenres if you will, of R&B music. Ironically, you list Dionne Warwick as an overlooked "R&B artist", while I remain convinced that if she were White, but EVERYTHING about her music sounded the same, NO ONE would consider her R&B, not even blue-eyed soul. She's almost as straight-laced pop as the Lettermen, imo. Also, you mentioned Barry White who was borderline disco, and his career certainly thrived in that setting.

Second, I think you (and a couple others from a cursory glance) jump the gun a bit on calling "rockists" racist. I don't think they are necessarily (or at least intentionally) racist. I recall all the backlash there was about making a comic book hero into a movie... using a Black actor when the character in the comic book was White. Nerds went apeshit about it, and were cast in a racist light. I don't think that was the issue for them. I think for them, "fidelity to canon" (albeit an oxymoron in the comic book universe) was the issue. They'd have problems with a redhead playing Thor. They couldn't conceive Hollywood not taking extra-special care to make the screen rendition look as MUCH like the comic book drawing as possible. There's a funny punch on it in the first X-Men movie when Wolverine snarks about the outfit and Cyclops says, "What would you prefer, yellow spandex?" Similarly, the term "rock" has been so heavily bogarted by guitar bands that for many people, it's the first definition of "rock" that they know, and unfortunately, for most it's the ONLY definition they've ever known. I even worked for a clown who said, "If it ain't hard rock, metal, or alternative, it's not rock at all." (Btw, I call him a clown for a myriad of reasons, of which this definition is the least.) For too many, "rock" means "guitar band" and any attempt to broaden their worldview is sacrilege to the term "rock". And since most guitar bands were White, (by design or accident--I don't know which and its pretty moot to my point) they just happen to want White bands in the Hall. They're just as hardcore of Hendrix fans, by the way, because it wasn't color, it was how hard they RAWKED.

Jason--"we need more new wave"... I assure you the Hall will not give two bags of llama droppings about that. Sorry, the Cars may make the ballot, but it will NOT be out of a sense of needing more new wave.

Great lists folks.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 17:11pm

I left out 'HUEY PIANO SMITH & THE CLOWNS' on my list accidentally. Those too, are another left field pick of mine. Next spring Huey will be 80, so why not a great birthday gift. But, knowing the Rock Hall, they probably forgot about him.

Philip-Yeah I know, new wave will probably shunned from nomination lists for awhile, but for some reason I just 'see' The Cars making the list sometime soon.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 18:23pm

http://www.examiner.com/article/dionne-warwick-to-speak-at-rock-hall-june-18th

" Ironically, you list Dionne Warwick as an overlooked "R&B artist", while I remain convinced that if she were White, but EVERYTHING about her music sounded the same, NO ONE would consider her R&B, not even blue-eyed soul."

You can say the same thing about Miles Davis... yet , here he is today...deceased, yet resting comfortably in the Rock Hall as an inductee.

People forget that, in addition to working with Bacharach and David, Dionne has also worked with noted R&B writers and producers in her career, such as Luther Vandross, Isaac Hayes, Thom Bell, and Holland-Dozier-Holland . And...she had HITS with them ALL.

Besides....you may yet be just a little surprised: Dr Lauren Onkey had scheduled Dionne for an interview as part of the Hall's "Legends" series.Dionne had to sadly, cancel the interview, (her financial problems have been the focus of much news of late), but that wouldn't have happened unless the RRHOF wasn't at least CONSIDERING Dionne for induction.

As for Barry White...everyone knows that he is a classic R&B artist who simply "rode the wave" of disco's popularity...just like a LOT of other R&B and Rock acts did...(Rod Stewart's "Do You Think I'm Sexy" and The Stones' "I Miss You" and "Emotional Rescue" are cases in point),But that does not in any way make him a "Disco" artist.

Remember, Smokey Robinson was interviewed by Dr. Lauren, and agreed with him that The Miracles should be inducted...and , a short time later, they were in...

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 18:42pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNrs-8KUWRI

"How quickly they forget..."

That Dionne had a number 1 Pop smash with THE SPINNERS called "Then Came You"... and THAT isn't R&B ??

(By the way, It's a duet with The SPINNERS' main lead singer BOBBY SMITH).

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 08/12/2013 @ 19:16pm

I caught the interesting, if flawed, breakdown on early 70's R&B, & the argument that somehow, the Rock Hall had missed the boat on this time. The following is a small list of artists who either started in the early 70's, or had their biggest hits in the early-mid 70's, who are already in the Hall:

Donna Summer
Bobby Womack
The O'Jays
Isaac Hayes
Michael Jackson
Earth, Wind & Fire
Curtis Mayfield
The Staple Singers
The Jackson Five
Parliament-Funkadelic
Gladys Knight and the Pips
Al Green
Sly and the Family Stone

I am going to suggest that perhaps, just perhaps, the Hall has not gone back & inducted some of the other acts mentioned in Bill G.'s posts, because they simply feel there is no need to go further. In John R.C.'s posting on "rockists", he duly mentions that the # of rappers in the Hall equals the # of progressive rockers.

This means there are already Three Times as many R&B acts from the early 70's as there are Prog Rockers.

I agree w/Bill G. on some of the acts he lists, but not all. I will always push for War as an overlooked act, & I'm pleasantly surprised by just how many songs the Spinners recorded that I do like. However, I Do seriously question whether acts like Gene Chandler, The Whispers, The Chi-Lites, etc., really do belong. There are countless rock acts that Do have a tremendous argument over some of the other artists listed. Not every R&B acts should be let in, just Because they are an R&B act.

BTW - for now on, I'd like to be considered the Site's resident "Rockist", or "Rawkist", or whatever you'd all like to term it. As a matter of fact, I INSIST on being thought of in those terms on this site for now on. What it let's me know is that I can handle the physical music that most others flee from. I'll wear it as a badge of honor. :)

Here's a few Rawk bands that fit the bill I think we should look into:

Bad Brains
Troublefunk
Sound Barrier
Fishbone
24-7 Spyz
Follow for Now

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 08/13/2013 @ 06:34am

Cheese- I'll gladly let you be the resident rockist, but most of the bands that you mentioned aren't rockist. True rockists only support wanky prog bands and white guys with mullets playing vanilla hard rock.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 08/13/2013 @ 09:17am

I caught the interesting, if flawed, breakdown on early 70's R&B, & the argument that somehow, the Rock Hall had missed the boat on this time. The following is a small list of artists who either started in the early 70's, or had their biggest hits in the early-mid 70's, who are already in the Hall:

Donna Summer
Bobby Womack
The O'Jays
Isaac Hayes
Michael Jackson
Earth, Wind & Fire
Curtis Mayfield
The Staple Singers
The Jackson Five
Parliament-Funkadelic
Gladys Knight and the Pips
Al Green
Sly and the Family Stone

Almost all of these acts started in the 60's ...and some even in the '50's.

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08/13/2013 @ 10:24am

Bill G,

Most of those acts didn't hit 'white conciousness' till the early 70s

All the stuff they did/money they made in 60s doesn't really count, as us white people had generally not heard of them back in the trippin 60s ;-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 08/13/2013 @ 15:13pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsxEfmhmDXg

"Bill G,

Most of those acts didn't hit 'white conciousness' till the early 70s

All the stuff they did/money they made in 60s doesn't really count, as us white people had generally not heard of them back in the trippin 60s ;-)"

...And that itself is one of the problems among several of the bloggers on this site: Too much focus on the Pop charts and Pop Chart sensibilities.

Don't you realize that , if the RRHOF had used that logic, artists such as RUTH BROWN, LLOYD PRICE, HANK BALLARD & THE MIDNIGHTERS,and THE DELLS would have never been inducted. But they GOT inducted because although many of their hits were relegated to the R&B charts,their INFLUENCE on the Pop Chart was HUGE.

There's more to life than the Pop Charts...believe it or not.

Case in point: In 1960, some 53 years ago, LAMES BROWN & THE FAMOUS FLAMES recorded a song called "I'LL GO CRAZY".

Although this song sold over one million copies, IT DIDN'T EVEN CROSS OVER TO THE POP CHART AT ALL...only reaching # 15 on the R&B Chart.

But,oh...what happened after THAT...(from Wikipedia):

"I'll Go Crazy" is a rhythm and blues song recorded by James Brown and The Famous Flames. Released as a single in 1960, It was Brown's fourth R&B hit, charting at #15. Brown and the Flames also performed it as the first song on their album Live at the Apollo.

I'll Go Crazy" has inspired cover versions by many different artists, including The Rolling Stones, The Blues Magoos, The Residents, The Moody Blues, The Buckinghams, Chris Isaak, Jerry Garcia and David Grisman, Buddy Guy, The Nighthawks, Tommy Quickly, Graham Bonnet, The Honeycombs live in Tokyo, and Clarence Clemons. Tommy James And The Shondells released a cover version of the song on their debut album, Hanky Panky. It was performed by Dan Aykroyd in the actor's tribute to Brown on his induction at the 2003 Kennedy Center Honors.

This song is used on the Late Show with David Letterman as theme music for the "Who Said It?" segment.

Pretty influential for a song that never "crossed over"...wouldn't you say ? SOME White folks must have been listening to it ...or there wouldn't have been so many "cover versions" over the decades .
So much for the "Pop Charts are the only ones that matter" argument.

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08/13/2013 @ 20:19pm

"LAMES" ? make that "JAMES". Sorry for the typo.

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08/13/2013 @ 20:22pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1rbpvpcHJk

Everybody from The Blues Magoos,to The The Moody Blues...have recorded "I'll Go Crazy".

Here is the original hit studio version.

****JAMES BROWN & THE FAMOUS FLAMES****

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08/13/2013 @ 20:29pm

how about duran duran? they should get some consideration for 2014?

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 08/14/2013 @ 16:06pm

http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/topic/1676

"I agree w/Bill G. on some of the acts he lists, but not all. I will always push for War as an overlooked act, & I'm pleasantly surprised by just how many songs the Spinners recorded that I do like. However, I Do seriously question whether acts like Gene Chandler, The Whispers, The Chi-Lites, etc., really do belong. There are countless rock acts that Do have a tremendous argument over some of the other artists listed. Not every R&B acts should be let in, just Because they are an R&B act."

I agree. yet,if that rockist logic should apply to R&B acts...then it should apply to ALL acts...period

I mean , come on...The Faces and Buffalo Springfield ??

Every act on my list, including Gene Chandler, BURIES these two groups in the number of hit singles charted .
And , while one could use the "influence" argument in favor of the two...I could do the same thing with the R&B acts.

A lot of bloggers on this site have dismissed Gene Chandler, for example , saying that he is undeserving...another Percy Sledge. Only one hit.yadda yadda yadda...yeah, I've heard it all before....

So did the bloggers over at "Top of The Charts"...

until I gave them info on the man and his career.

Now, they have a new respect for Mr. Chandler...the legendary "Duke of Earl". I suggest you read it too...before you make blanket judgements about Mr. Chandler.

A lot of you guys said the same thing about Bobby Womack....until you "did the research"

You also said the same thing about Ashford & Simpson...

And Barrett Strong...

"Do The Research" should be a required slogan for ALL of us here...

Also "Don't just look at the Pop Chart". ...

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 08/14/2013 @ 19:03pm

"You can say the same thing about Miles Davis... yet , here he is today...deceased, yet resting comfortably in the Rock Hall as an inductee."

No you can't. Even if he were White, nobody would say he wasn't jazz. I see what you're trying to say, but that's not a good comparison. Warwick's sound isn't all "rhythmic" or "bluesy". It's straight-laced Americana music, imo. Lady Soul did the world a favor covering "I Say A Little Prayer For You", showing how it should sound. FWIW, "Then Came You" is probably my least favorite Spinners song too.
That said, I will concede she has a strong chance of making the ballot this year given the activities going on at the museum and such.

And those acts Cheese mentioned may have been around since the '60s, but they didn't hit their prime until the '70s (except for S&tFS, and possibly GK&tP). That's not saying the earlier stuff didn't count, but those aren't the songs they're best remembered for, and those aren't the songs that got them to the Hall. Btw, a number of yours listed also had (low) charting hits in the Hot 100 in the '60s too.

FTR, I never had a problem with Womack, I just thought he'd get lost in the shuffle. A&S and
Strong, I've never had a problem with. As much as I probably top the list of those you consider guilty of "looking only at the pop charts", I just want to say that I've never truly been in that camp. I have said I consider the Pop charts the most important, because they're more collective of the public consciousness, but they're not the only thing to look at. Otherwise, I'd be championing Percy Faith and KC And The Sunshine Band, neither of whom I'm on board with. If anything, I'm more guilty of saying "look only at the singles charts", but even then, I've really only applied that to '50s and '60s acts, as the '70s onward have been the era when the album was more the focus, both for guitar-band rock and for disco and non-disco R&B (extended cuts and mixes anyone?). But just pop? No. Muddy Waters was a blues legend with a string of R&B hits and no pop hits. And although I'm not a huge fan of him, I'll never say he didn't deserve induction. And my current pick for biggest snub from the Hall is Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble, who as an outfit never hit the Hot 100 either. His only entry was a duet with his brother, not with the band.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 08/14/2013 @ 19:35pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Chandler

....Oh, and just for the record:

Gene Chandler has had a total of 40 Pop and R&B Chart Hits, spanning the Doo-Wop, R&B, Soul, and Disco Eras between 1961-1986.

And he's won numerous awards for his work .


I wonder: just how many of YOUR favorites have charted that long ?

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 08/14/2013 @ 19:56pm

"No you can't. Even if he were White, nobody would say he wasn't jazz. I see what you're trying to say, but that's not a good comparison".

Yes, he's Jazz...and yes, he's also inducted.

Being a Jazz artist didn't keep him out...

Nor should singing some Pop keep Dionne out either.

Philip : did you even read my previous statement:

"People forget that, in addition to working with Bacharach and David, Dionne has also worked with noted R&B writers and producers in her career, such as Luther Vandross, Isaac Hayes, Thom Bell, and Holland-Dozier-Holland . And...she had HITS with them ALL".

...or, did you think that Dionne simply fell off the map after Bacharach and David ? I assure you she didn't . Just because YOU didn't like "Then Came You" doesn't mean that's it's not a great song.I personally loved the song.

And, because it reached #1 on your beloved standard of music, "The be-all and end-all "POP CHART"...
A LOT of other people must have liked it too.

So, ABBA is in the Hall....ABBA ?? But, Dionne shouldn't be ?

Just for a moment, let's "accentuate the positive...eliminate the negative"...

And see what makes Dionne a contender, shall we?

From Wikipedia:

"Dionne Warwick (born Marie Dionne Warrick; December 12, 1940) is an American singer, actress and TV show host, who became a United Nations Global Ambassador for the Food and Agriculture Organization, and a United States Ambassador of Health.

Having been in a partnership with songwriters Burt Bacharach and Hal David, Warwick ranks among the 40 biggest hit makers of the entire rock era (1955–2012), based on the Billboard Hot 100 Pop Singles Charts. Dionne Warwick is second only to Aretha Franklin as the most-charted female vocalist of all time with 56 of Dionne's singles making the Billboard Hot 100 between 1962 and 1998."

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 08/14/2013 @ 20:20pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionne_Warwick#Awards_and_honors

Oh, and if you try to say that Dionne is not influential...

You'll really be shooting yourself in the foot..

Because you KNOW that's not true.

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 08/14/2013 @ 20:25pm

Chris,

I could not agree more. Therefore, here is one of my older posts:

Unfortunately, I cannot seem to get any love for Sade, which is really too bad.

Now, Yes has recently started to get far more intention. Would the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induct more than one major "progressive rock" band in any given year? Yes just so happens to be my co-favorite band musically, but not lyrically. Can anybody guess what the other one is? With those cryptic lyrics, is it possible for anyone to really know, or do we have to guess what the heck Jon Anderson was singing about?

Even so, both Yes and The Moody Blues have deserved
induction into the RRHOF for quite a long time..

I'm up for the challenge. I was told by an economist that you cannot predict the rise and fall of the stock market; much to his dismay, I had predicted that to within one day; it had saved me thousands of dollars.

So, I consider the nominees for the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame to be even more nebulous. Four months prior to the nomination list coming out last year, I had predicted that the late Donna Summer, Heart and Rush would be inducted. After the nomination list had come out, I had voted for 4 out of the 5 inductees, on the fan's ballot. I had voted for: Rush, Heart, Randy Newman, Donna Summer and Procol Harum. Of course, I was not surprised that Albert King had been inducted, either.

The past several years, the Rock Hall has been criticized for not inducting many progressive rock, nor 1980's acts; personally, I cannot think of a 1980's act, more induction worthy than Duran Duran. Can you? Factor in the fact that Duran Duran had won a Bay area opinion poll earlier this year, along with the inclusion of "Rio" as a Classic album and the omnipresence of their Behind The Music remastered episode airing several times on VH1 Classic, in addition to several fan documentaries about them on youtube and and the fact that they are still around making great music and i feel that their nomination chances are very high. Therefore I
place them at the top of the list of acts that I feel are going to
be considered for induction in 2014.

Once again, here is my list:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Jeff Lynne and/or Electric Light Orchestra
4. The Doobie Brothers
5. Stevie Ray Vaughan
6. Carly Simon
7. Foreigner
8. Nirvana
9. Deep Purple
10. Chic
11. Kraftwerk
12. The Marvelettes
13. The Spinners
14. Sade
15. Ice-T
16. Yes


The nominees list has always been so variable and confusing, so I consider making up that particular list a major challenge. Regarding how i determine my nominees list- I happen to watch the media.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 08.2.13 @ 15:47pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 08.10.13 @ 06:11am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 08/15/2013 @ 01:33am

very good predictions there enigmaticus

Posted by chris on Thursday, 08/15/2013 @ 13:31pm

any more predictions for the 2014 nominees?

Posted by chris on Friday, 08/16/2013 @ 20:57pm

My predictions of the 2014 Rock n Roll Hall of Fame nominees.(Some suprises some not) You heard it here first.

1.Foreigner-Most deserving rock group one of the most succesful, with a huge
Eagles like Fleetwood Mac size of number one hits in the 70's and 80's)
2.JD Souther-Out of left field perhaps but highly possible 'Think New Kid in Town' and "Best of My love'
3.Journey-A no brainer like Foreigner selling 100 million albums.The people's
choice.
4.Bon Jovi-Another group that has a good chance. Definitely a Rock Group.
5.The Cars-Big selling selling albums, sometimes outselling Van Halen. Great
Sound-Big contribution game changer to rock and roll.
6.INXS-A possibility.
7.Carley Simon-Singer songwriter category a chance.
8.Linda Rondstadt-Most amazing voice in rock and roll at times. Big contribution
working with the Eagles.
9.Duran Duran-Maybee-Big sales, a pop group though.
10.GO-GO's Suprise they could be. Think about it. A fan favorite.
11.B-52's Not a big fan, but they have a chance.
12.Depeche Mode-Yes and no. They're not rock n roll. That why you dont Trent
Renzor in there.
13.Stevie Ray Vaughn-Blues Rock Best shot.

This is just a prediction not an offical ballot. Sorry I'm
on the rock n roll hall of fame committe. Just a fan.

Posted by Brian Wozniak on Friday, 08/16/2013 @ 22:19pm

I typed a typo. I am not on the rock n roll hall of
fame committe. Not. I am just a fan. I am not.

Posted by Brian Wozniak on Friday, 08/16/2013 @ 22:21pm

I typed a typo. I am not on the rock n roll hall of
fame committe. Not. I am just a fan. I am not.

Posted by Brian Wozniak on Friday, 08/16/2013 @ 22:22pm

I typed a typo. I am not on the rock n roll hall of
fame committe. Not. I am just a fan. I am not.

Posted by Brian Wozniak on Friday, 08/16/2013 @ 22:22pm

Nirvana
Patsy Cline
Chic
Willie Nelson
Kraftwerk
Deep Purple
Roxy Music
Depeche Mode
Hall and Oats
The Moody Blues
The Cars
N.W.A
Graham Parsons
Peter Grabriel
Carly Simon

Posted by Brian on Sunday, 08/18/2013 @ 19:53pm

My guesses:

1) Nirvana
2) N.W.A.
3) Chic
4) Deep Purple
5) Joan Jett
6) Depeche Mode
7) War
8) LL Cool J
9) Johnny Burnette & the Rock N Roll Trio
10) Paul Butterfield Blues Band
11) Cat Stevens
12) The Marvelettes
13) Kraftwerk
14) The Doobie Brothers
15) Chuck Willis

Posted by BSLO on Monday, 08/19/2013 @ 00:54am

Once again, I will need to amend my list. The recent passing of Allen Lanier might change things for Blue Oyster Cult. To the members of Blue Oyster Cult and Allen's family, i would like to convey my most sincere condolences.

Chris,

I could not agree more. Therefore, here is one of my older posts:

Unfortunately, I cannot seem to get any love for Sade, which is really too bad.

Now, Yes has recently started to get far more intention. Would the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induct more than one major "progressive rock" band in any given year? Yes just so happens to be my co-favorite band musically, but not lyrically. Can anybody guess what the other one is? With those cryptic lyrics, is it possible for anyone to really know, or do we have to guess what the heck Jon Anderson was singing about?

Even so, both Yes and The Moody Blues have deserved
induction into the RRHOF for quite a long time..

I'm up for the challenge. I was told by an economist that you cannot predict the rise and fall of the stock market; much to his dismay, I had predicted that to within one day; it had saved me thousands of dollars.

So, I consider the nominees for the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame to be even more nebulous. Four months prior to the nomination list coming out last year, I had predicted that the late Donna Summer, Heart and Rush would be inducted. After the nomination list had come out, I had voted for 4 out of the 5 inductees, on the fan's ballot. I had voted for: Rush, Heart, Randy Newman, Donna Summer and Procol Harum. Of course, I was not surprised that Albert King had been inducted, either.

The past several years, the Rock Hall has been criticized for not inducting many progressive rock, nor 1980's acts; personally, I cannot think of a 1980's act, more induction worthy than Duran Duran. Can you? Factor in the fact that Duran Duran had won a Bay area opinion poll earlier this year, along with the inclusion of "Rio" as a Classic album and the omnipresence of their Behind The Music remastered episode airing several times on VH1 Classic, in addition to several fan documentaries about them on youtube and and the fact that they are still around making great music and i feel that their nomination chances are very high. Therefore I
place them at the top of the list of acts that I feel are going to
be considered for induction in 2014.

Once again, here is my list:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Jeff Lynne and/or Electric Light Orchestra
4. The Doobie Brothers
5. Stevie Ray Vaughan
6. Carly Simon
7. Foreigner
8. Nirvana
9. Deep Purple
10. Chic
11. Kraftwerk
12. The Marvelettes
13. The Spinners
14. Sade
15. Ice-T
16. Yes
17. Blue Oyster Cult
18. Judas Priest

The nominees list has always been so variable and confusing, so I consider making up that particular list a major challenge. Regarding how i determine my nominees list- I happen to watch the media.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 08/19/2013 @ 10:24am

My 15 Predictions for the 2014 RNRHOF Class Ballot

Chic
Deep Purple
Whitney Houston
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
LL Cool J
The Marvelettes
The New York Dolls
Nirvana
N.W.A.
Gram Parsons
The Spinners
Stevie Ray Vaughan
War
Yes
The Zombies

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 08/19/2013 @ 11:42am

A very good list indeed Donnie. I had 11 of the 15 potential nominees on my list compared to yours. I think one of the problems with this forum is that many people pick artists that catter to their musical tastes/preferences. The nominating acts in any given year are diverse (in terms of genre placement) and it would be a joke if the Rock Hall inducted only New Wave/1980s acts all in the same year. A lot of the predictions on this website are very narrow as well as it would be boring if all of the inducted artists came from either the same time period or genre. The Only Differences were that I had chosen The Cure, Kraftwerk, Paul Butterfield Blues Band and Procol Harum instead of Whitney Houston, Stevie Ray Vaughan, War and Yes [All of whom definitely have a shot to be nominated this year]. Again, very good list Donnie.

Posted by Nick on Monday, 08/19/2013 @ 15:28pm

My Top 5 2014 Inductees will be the Following:

KISS
Def Leppard
Bon Jovi
Yngwie Malmsteen
Motley Crue

Posted by Otis Mack on Tuesday, 08/20/2013 @ 16:57pm

The rock/not rock divide is interesting. There's people who screamed 'NAWT RAWK!, WHERE'S FOREIGNER?!' when Public Enemy is inducted. It reminds me of the stupid statistical divide with the Baseball Hall Of Fame: http://houston.sbnation.com/houston-astros/2011/12/28/2666970/steve-garvey-and-jeff-bagwell-comparisons-anyone

With both there's room for a middle ground. We can put white guys with guitars in AND we can put rappers and synthesizers in. Is that so hard?

Anyway, how I think it might go with the nominations:

-Nirvana: Flat-out lock
-N.W.A. Ditto. If not then LL Cool J might get another look
-Deep Purple: Way overdue, and they'll also get the benefit of the sympathy vote. They're the place to start when getting the ball rolling with hard rock and metal
-Bon Jovi: Little Steven and Wenner are in their corner, they'd be a popular draw at the ceremony and a way to represent the 80's without getting too far out of the comfort zone. I'd say KISS but them and Purple on the same ballot might be a bit much for Dave Marsh ;)
-Chic: They've been knocking on the door for awhile, and Donna Summer's induction helps their cause
-Procol Harum: Satisifes prog fans and the people who love the 60's. The Moodies, Yes and King Crimson are all much better choices but there you go
-Stevie Ray Vaughan: Very popular guy and he had some influential friends (like Clapton) who would perform in his absence. Then again I've been thinking he's close for awhile.
-The Cure: Nominated a few years ago, they're popular with critics and bigger sales than the other post-punk groups. The Smiths and Depeche Mode could also get a turn

Sadly I don't see Kraftwerk getting another chance this year

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 08/21/2013 @ 06:10am

The prediction of nominations is never an easy task. Every year brings a bumper crop of new talent, a few committee favorites, a few surprises, and a whole truckload of complaints about who was overlooked. Few of us ever predict more than 5 correctly, and even then that is an impressive feat. So here is my stab at who we may see on the ballot this year. They are ordered in likelihood of nomination.


1) Nirvana - Despite very good arguments, the only true lock I see this year for nomination are also the only guaranteed induction. Nirvana belongs, I think few would argue against it. What isn’t clear is how they will pave the way for the 90’s bands that follow. The Hall is still tackling the Rap style. Nirvana will skip over any Rap act this year, but their peers will have a harder time. Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, and Soundgarden will all be pitted against the large names of Hip Hop that dominated the 90s. The Hall’s 5 inductions each year, and it’s fascination with the 60s, are going to make it much more difficult for any of the 90’s styles to be represented. Nirvana’s nomination will most likely come at the expense of the Pixies or Sonic Youth receiving credit this year, a true shame considering at least one of the two should have already been enshrined.

2) N.W.A. - N.W.A. will almost certainly (but not definitely) return for a second nomination. Last year they faced impossible odds against Public Enemy. This year they will most likely be competing against another fellow Rap act. While their credentials are undeniable, the Gangsta Rap style has to overcome the more palpable sounds of LL Cool J, Afrika Bambaataa, and Eric B. & Rakim. All of whom are also likely to be nominated this year, and may jump over N.W.A. in induction chance. They also have competition in the more adventurous De La Soul, who become eligible this year. Until N.W.A. is enshrined they block the chances of all Gangsta Rap acts, including the newly eligible Geto Boys.


3) Yes - With Rush now in Progressive Rock can finally move on. Yes should have been in a long time ago. They face competition for the nomination, and I doubt you will see more than one Prog act nominated a year, but with their credentials deserve their first chance. Procol Harum may ride in and upset them (They are a 60s act afterall), and Kraftwerk also has a chance, but the buzz seems to point to Yes this year. They will most certainly be the act that keeps other deserving groups out for the next few years if not inducted. Those groups include King Crimson, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, and Jethro Tull. All of which probably won’t see a nomination until Yes and Procol Harum find their ways in.

4) Chic - Donna Summer was inducted, years too late and posthumously, but Disco is finally credited a second time in the Hall. Hopefully the voters have learned their lesson and Chic will finally be inducted on their 8th try. Nile Rodger’s work with Daft Punk makes them relevant again. And after the Bee Gees and Summer they are the most deserving Disco era act still out. They also help to fill the female artist niche. There are other deserving Disco acts out there, Kool & the Gang being chief among them, but none stand a chance with Chic still sittingon the sidelines.

5) The Zombies - The Hall is in love with the 1960s. So much that acts who may not compare to others in credentials get their chance for no reason other than being attached to the decade. Luckily the Zombies are qualified so a nomination and an induction wouldn’t be absurd. The big question every year is what random act will pop up in the nominees from the decade. This year is their chance. They see stiff competition from Procol Harum. However considering Procol Harum just failed at induction last year the Zombies have a pretty good shot.

6) The Chantels - This year may see an interesting spike in female acts. The hall desperately needs them, and so many have been overlooked it is almost criminal. The Chantels haven’t seen a nomination since the 80s, but being the big female Doo Wop group helps them stay memorable. While it would be wonderful to see a couple of girl groups receive nominations this year, it is highly doubtful. The Chantels are in direct competition with the Marvelettes for this spot, and either would be understandable. However both groups stand in the way of the handful of deserving Girl Group era acts out there. Which means The Shangri-La’s, Chiffons, Cookies, and ,possibly, the Crystals will be waiting in the wings for now.

7) LL Cool J - Rap will most likely continue to see 2 nominations a year. And until he is inducted LL Cool J has the best chance at always being that second nomination, if based on nothing more than name recognition. That will cause trouble as the Hall moves into the 90s, especially for less recognizable acts. It already causes problems for Kurtis Blow who would be more noticeable if LL was enshrined. He may take a backseat this year to another important Hip Hop duo in Eric B. & Rakim, or could see his spot taken by newly eligible De La Soul.

8) Gram Parsons - The Hall is infamous for having nominated artists that seem like pet projects. Laura Nyro’s induction being the most obvious in recent history (Joan Jett’s nominations lately being another). Parson’s hasn’t had a chance in a while, but with 3 previous nominations you can never count him out. Supremely talented, with a fantastic discography, he will most likely take the spot for singer-songwriter this year. Although Cat Stevens could always slip in undetected.

9) Deep Purple - After waiting years for a chance Deep Purple finally had a nomination last year. A glaring omission from the Hall, the question is now not if but when. Hard Rock acts have such a hard time garnering nominations that a prejudice against them is obvious. Hopefully Deep Purple comes back this year for another shot. An induction will free up this spot for other deserving acts not yet in, of which there are many.

10) Dionne Warwick - ABBA, Neil Diamond, and Randy Newman are showing that the Hall is accepting it’s more soft side lately. Warwick always straddled a fine line between Traditional Pop and Soul. “Walk on By” however stands as a testament to her relevance to the Rock’N’Roll genre. The hall has been focusing on her a bit this year, and if she is ever to get a chance this seems like the time. The Carpenters or Whitney Houston could show up in her place however.

11) Melissa Etheridge - Nirvana is the obvious choice for this years class of newly eligible artists, but someone else will accompany them onto the ballot. Joan Jett’s oddly consistent nominations encounters a potential snag this year with the eligibility of Melissa Etheridge. This spot could be Tracy Chapman’s as well, but it would be doubtful that both end up on the ballot this year. Then again the surprise could be the Traveling Wilburys grabbing a spot based on star power alone.

12) Rufus featuring Chaka Khan - The next funk act in the hall will be either Rufus or War that is undeniable. But with Donna Summer and Ann Wilson now in the committee will be looking for another legendary female vocalists. That gives Rufus a slight edge because of Khan’s ability. Still someone like Linda Ronstadt or Patti Labelle could finally see at least nomination recognition this year in their place.

13)The “5” Royales - The Chantels may take up the 1950s spot, but the “5” Royales may accompany them on the ballot this year. We haven’t had an inducted male vocal group in a few years which boosts their chance. Still with acts like The Dominoes, Harptones, and Orioles out there it is anyones game.

14) Ben E. King - Bobby Womack was the last R&B solo male vocalist inducted, and a handful of men seem to be vying to be the next inductee. This spot may very well go to Johnny Ace or Joe Tex. What would be even more interesting however is to see a first time nomination for Teddy Pendergrass or Donny Hathway.

15) Stevie Ray Vaughan - The hall is going to run out of Blues guitarists to induct if they aren’t careful. Vaughan’s legendary however, so it is really only a matter of time.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 08/21/2013 @ 09:32am

Nice analysis, Chris F, but The Chantels were never nominated in the 80s. They were nominated in 2002, and, recently, in 2010.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 08/21/2013 @ 10:43am

Casper,

Thanks! I tend to mix up Esther Phillips and the Chantels nominations. I have no idea why, considering how stylistically different the two acts are.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 08/21/2013 @ 10:52am

I really like most of the people's prediction for the 2014 ballot. My locks for nominees are:

*Nirvana
*Chic
*N.W.A.
*Yes
*Gram Parsons

Sorry, I like Kraftwerk and Deep Purple to be in the list, but I mostly can't see them getting nominated again for the second time in a row.
(BTW, FRL, shouldn't the eligibility date for the 2014 ballot be 1988, not 1987).

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 08/21/2013 @ 14:32pm

Stand by my assertion that Gram Parsons will never be inducted (in my lifetime & I'm 54).

Alot of HOFers consider him a dillentante & seem to have had an active dislike of him, back when he was alive.

Of course, now that I have typed this out, he'll be inducted this year ;-)

That's how it goes sometimes...

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 08/21/2013 @ 15:10pm

1) Nirvana - Despite very good arguments, the only true lock I see this year for nomination are also the only guaranteed induction. Nirvana belongs, I think few would argue against it. What isn’t clear is how they will pave the way for the 90’s bands that follow. The Hall is still tackling the Rap style. Nirvana will skip over any Rap act this year, but their peers will have a harder time. Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, and Soundgarden will all be pitted against the large names of Hip Hop that dominated the 90s. The Hall’s 5 inductions each year, and it’s fascination with the 60s, are going to make it much more difficult for any of the 90’s styles to be represented. Nirvana’s nomination will most likely come at the expense of the Pixies or Sonic Youth receiving credit this year, a true shame considering at least one of the two should have already been enshrined.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 08.21.13 @ 09:32am
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Awesome overall analysis. This is the only area I might question.

I think Seattle is going to be a cakewalk in the near future. I've noted in several posts that it would be foolish to dismiss the 90's, since they've already dismissed great swaths of the 80's. Using basic economics, this Hall will crumble in a couple yrs. time if they start to ignore both decades. No new fresh money rolling in, + Boomers moving onto fixed Social Security checks = disaster for an organization if it continues to live in the past. If anything, the sheer realization of this might make the nomination committee stop voting for the 60's acts.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 08/21/2013 @ 16:58pm

Cheesecrop,

I completely agree that the Hall needs to take a better look at how they represent the decades. For many reasons, most importantly because 80s & 90s acts are every bit as good as their predecessors. But it is always a little disheartening to see acts connected to the 60s jump over more deserving acts from any of the other decades (The 50s & 70s included). Most of the iffy inductions have actually been 60s acts.

I would like to think that Seattle would at least have an easy time with the big 4 acts. But Soundgarden has already been passed over, not to mention the committee struggles with getting Hard Rock of any style into the Hall. Metal only has 2, Hair Metal only has 2, Alternative has only about 6 (depending on how you cut it). So while Nirvana is a shoe in first time around, Soundgarden has already been passed on for now. Alice in Chain may benefit from a weak class (depending on how the Hall takes on Mariah Carey)but there are still artists around their caliber that are there (A Tribe Called Quest as an example).Pearl Jam seems to be the obvious choice in their class, but I have seen other acts get passed over.

The committee needs to let loose on the reigns a bit, with that I completely agree. But the perennials members haven't gone anywhere yet. Specifically the ones with pet projects like Paul Schaffer (who I can't see Darlene Love in without) and Steven Van Zandt. And whoever keeps placing Joan Jett as a nominee.

The voting body are some of the richest people in music, so donations aren't hard to come by. Especially considering how hard Rock'N'Roll acts try and push the importance of the music on history. Not to mention when you have Elvis, The Beatles, and The Stones in people of all ages will continue to come and see the museum itself.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 08/21/2013 @ 18:05pm

""People forget that, in addition to working with Bacharach and David, Dionne has also worked with noted R&B writers and producers in her career, such as Luther Vandross, Isaac Hayes, Thom Bell, and Holland-Dozier-Holland . And...she had HITS with them ALL".

...or, did you think that Dionne simply fell off the map after Bacharach and David ? I assure you she didn't . Just because YOU didn't like "Then Came You" doesn't mean that's it's not a great song.I personally loved the song."

No, I knew Dionne lasted awhile after B&D, but that's not the stuff she's best known for, even though, ironically, that's when she had her two #1 hits. But she is best-known as being the primary foil for B&D, and to a degree, I think that hurts her chances, especially since B&D aren't in yet either. But then again, if the Ronettes and Darlene Love can get in despite being Spector's foils, Warwick has a chance too.

"And, because it reached #1 on your beloved standard of music, "The be-all and end-all "POP CHART"...
A LOT of other people must have liked it too."

A lot of other people liked Nickelback's "Photograph"... just saying. And to restate a part you seem to have skipped:

"As much as I probably top the list of those you consider guilty of "looking only at the pop charts", I just want to say that I've never truly been in that camp. I have said I consider the Pop charts the most important, because they're more collective of the public consciousness, but they're not the only thing to look at. Otherwise, I'd be championing Percy Faith and KC And The Sunshine Band, neither of whom I'm on board with. If anything, I'm more guilty of saying "look only at the singles charts", but even then, I've really only applied that to '50s and '60s acts, as the '70s onward have been the era when the album was more the focus, both for guitar-band rock and for disco and non-disco R&B (extended cuts and mixes anyone?). But just pop? No. Muddy Waters was a blues legend with a string of R&B hits and no pop hits. And although I'm not a huge fan of him, I'll never say he didn't deserve induction. And my current pick for biggest snub from the Hall is Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble, who as an outfit never hit the Hot 100 either. His only entry was a duet with his brother, not with the band."

-"So, ABBA is in the Hall....ABBA ?? But, Dionne shouldn't be ?"

That's not what I said, though admittedly, I'd be happy with that setup. I'm just saying the campaign for Dionne shouldn't be about touting her as a soul musician. She's not. If you want to induct her for her pop craftsmanship, then I can agree to disagree as a matter simply of taste.

Btw, it's kind of funny you unleash so much venom toward me, since other than Roy, I agree with you more than anyone here.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 08/21/2013 @ 18:56pm

I completely agree that the Hall needs to take a better look at how they represent the decades. For many reasons, most importantly because 80s & 90s acts are every bit as good as their predecessors. But it is always a little disheartening to see acts connected to the 60s jump over more deserving acts from any of the other decades (The 50s & 70s included). Most of the iffy inductions have actually been 60s acts.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 08.21.13 @ 18:05pm
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Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!! I'm one of a few who've been saying these words for years now!

They'll eventually give in, & I've a feeling it's coming fairly soon. You figure if they've already let in Aerosmith, Van Halen, Metallica, G'N'R, & the Chili Peppers, that's a nice start. Add in Rush, who now have some sway, & certainly know what it's like to be on the outside looking in for a while, and you've got more pull. Nirvana's in next year, and the hype towards Deep Purple seems to be growing.

My feeling is that it will be a domino effect. As the amount of harder edged bands increase, they'll be forced to acknowledge what they've missed. The voices multiply, & after a while, the ball starts rolling to a point where you can't stop it. It may take another year or two, but it's coming.

btw - stick around, please. If you wish to jump in on any of the voting we're doing here, feel free to. No doubt you've seen all manner of lists here. We've set up our own little closet Hall on-site, complete w/monthly Song & Album voting, and larger projects as well. It's all voluntary.

You know, now that I read that last paragraph, I sound like a floorwalker at a department store. :)

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 08/22/2013 @ 06:20am

The rock/not rock divide is interesting. There's people who screamed 'NAWT RAWK!, WHERE'S FOREIGNER?!' when Public Enemy is inducted. It reminds me of the stupid statistical divide with the Baseball Hall Of Fame: http://houston.sbnation.com/houston-astros/2011/12/28/2666970/steve-garvey-and-jeff-bagwell-comparisons-anyone

With both there's room for a middle ground. We can put white guys with guitars in AND we can put rappers and synthesizers in. Is that so hard?

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 08.21.13 @ 06:10am
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It's not that it's so hard, so much as how the nominating committee goes about it's business. All of us proved over here that if you expanded the ballot out, even to seven votes, you could end some of the impasse.

If anything, they have gone by that logic. They have let rappers in, & here and there they've let in a smidgen of synth. The real problem is that they keep dredging up some act from the 60's every year, or every other year, for induction. In addition, they've only now expanded the ballot out to include six inductees. Add in the perceived "need" for a 60's act, & you've pretty much reduced the ballot right back to five choices. When you think about it, the five ballot inductions have only really been four ballot inductions, if you chalk up the mandatory 60's spot.

Any wonder there's a logjam, & so many complaints?

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 08/22/2013 @ 06:41am

Good discussion here, I would like to jump in when I have some more time. In the meantime, here's a fun game we should play:

We've been posting our nomination/induction predictions, but pretend that you have complete sway over the Hall's decision for 2014. In other words, with seven slots for induction, the Class of 2014 is completely up to you (following the actual eligibility rules, of course). Which seven would you induct and why? You might approach this as just listing your seven biggest snubs, or from a different perspective. I'll post mine soon.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 08/22/2013 @ 07:46am

First off, thank you Nick for the kind remarks on your list. When I saw yours, I actually thought to myself "geez, I don't even need to make a prediction ballot, I could just use his." But when I started going through my list of eligible artists and started getting to the final 15, it kind of sorted it out, and most of my predictions did end up with yours.

As for Dezmond's question on if I could pick any 7 currently eligible artists for the HOF, here's what I'd go with.

First off, I would try to my 7 inductee class decently diverse while also getting in some of the biggest snubs that I could.


Who I Would Induct for the 2014 RNRHOF Class


1. The Moody Blues

To me, they are one of the top 3 snubs of the RNRHOF (along with the next two picks I'll be going with). I feel they are vastly underrated in their importance to progressive rock. I recently read some Rolling Stone polls about the best prog albums, and they seem to credit King Crimson's 1969 album "In the Court of the Crimson King" as the "big bang" of progressive rock. That is so, ridiculously wrong. Even Jethro Tull put out their first album before King Crimson. Of course one can make the arguments about the albums of the Beatles, Frank Zappa, the Beach Boys, the Kinks, the Who and even Bob Dylan helping to pioneer prog rock. But even when it comes to "official" progressive rock, one of the first albums to really kickstart the genre was the Moody Blues' 1967 album, "Days of Future Passed." It has a cohesive and understandable theme and concept, with very innovative and ambitious instrumentation and music. And the Moody Blues are categorized as a prog rock band, so why are they not given more credit for kickstarting the genre. While most prog bands found most of their commercial success in the 1970's, the Moody Blues were a prog hit machine in the 1960's, before everyone else.

Not only do the Moodies fit in the British Invasion category (which the Hall loves), they also fit the prog category. And for chronological reasons, they should've been in before any other prog band, except for maybe Pink Floyd.

The Moodies should've been in at least 20 years ago, and if it were up to me, they'd be the first name on my list of inductees for this year.


2. Deep Purple

Another band that should've been in at least 15 years ago, at the latest. They are the last of the "big 3" pioneers of hard rock/metal not in yet (along with Zeppelin and Sabbath who are both in). I don't really feel I need to explain why they should be in. Because they have been eligible so long, I don't really feel any other hard rock bands (other than headliner of the class which is to come later) should get in before Deep Purple.


3. KISS

I know I'm going down the path of not having a diverse class, but this will be my last 60's/70's rock band on the ballot. KISS, to me, is the biggest snub of the HOF. Yes, I realize the HOF is about important and influential bands, who maybe weren't the most recognized and popular in their time. But it is a HALL OF FAME as well, and with that said, an act that gets to the point where they are a pop culture phenomenon for more than a couple of months, for at least a few years, to me that automatically means they deserve in. You can say their music is too simplistic, and they care more about their image and how much money they make than "the music." But the fact remains that KISS at their peak from about 1976-1980 was one of, if not the biggest bands in the world. I think any rock band that can get to that level for some point in time deserves in. Not to mention that their influence on pop culture and even musicians (what rock musician that came around in the 80's, 90's, and early 00's wasn't influenced by KISS?) warrants their induction. They are too big of an iconic band to not be in, even if the critics hate them.


4. The Spinners

I read the argument some had about how the Hall has represented 1970's R&B. While the Hall has mostly gotten "the giants" of 1970's R&B in, there are still a lot of R&B acts from the 1970's more than deserving of being inducted that have yet to even be nominated, let alone inducted. Amongst those acts, the Spinners are my favorite. And when you think about it, other than the O'Jays, what R&B vocal group (not band, but vocal group) has the Hall inducted? Especially compared to the doo wop groups of the 50's, and all of the Motown groups of the 60's. When it comes R&B vocal groups, the 70's are vastly underrepresented compared to the two previous decades. And what vocal group of the 1970's was more successful and defined the decade more than the Spinners. I'll admit, I'm a bigger fan of them than any other group from the 70's, when it comes to R&B groups, but to me no one else reached the pop charts and had more success than these guys. They're more than worthy. And they've been eligible for almost 30 years. Get them in already!


5. Kraftwerk

Kraftwerk is probably the single most directly influential group in music history, not yet in the Hall. For all of the flack that the Hall gets for not recognizing 80's synth pop and new wave, truthfully you can't really get to those bands until you get Kraftwerk in, the band who more than anyone helped influence this style (not to mention just about every aspect of modern popular music). I love Depeche Mode, the Human League, Eurythmics, Gary Numan, the Pet Shop Boys, New Order, etc. as much as anyone, but none should go in before Kraftwerk. The Hall, when it comes to most subgenres has skipped over the real pioneers for the bigger stars that made the genres popular. Thus far that hasn't really happened with electronic music. I'd like them to get it right for once and get the major pioneer in first.


6. N.W.A.

The class needs a rap act, and of all the rap acts eligible none were greater or more important than N.W.A. There are earlier acts like Kurtis Blow, Afrika Bambaataa and Doug E Doug and the Get Fresh Crew, but all pale in comparison to the massive influence on rap music, pop culture, and even our society than N.W.A. They're a shoe-in.


7. Nirvana

Duh. And your headliners.


That'd be my 2014 class, if I could choose every inductee with a 7 inductee class.

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 08/22/2013 @ 09:00am

Great choices Donnie,

Here is my list of 7:

1. Duran Duran:

I know what you're thinking, aren't they a pop band for teenage girls? Yes, but Duran Duran since their early days has been creating clever, experimental music. If their latest concert video is any indication, this band has been getting better and better, over the past 35 years, since their
inception.

2. The Moody Blues:

How can you induct Pink Floyd, Genesis and Rush and ignore the forefathers of "progressive rock?" The Moody Blues had influenced every "prog" and "prog adjacent" act since 1967 and the release of "Days Of Future Passed." Without The Moody Blues, would Genesis, Yes, Rush and others sound the way that they do?

3. Carly Simon:

I will elaborate on my reasons why at a later date.

4. The Doobie Brothers:

We need another great "rock and roll band" in the Hall Of Fame. The Doobie Brothers have spanned everything from soul to country.

5. Jeff Lynne and/or E.L.O.

Immensely innovative and the natural successor to The Beatles "Sergeant Pepper" era. Jeff has been instrumental in the success of The Travelling Willbury's, amongst others.

6. Ice-T

If you must induct a gangsta rap act, then I think Ice-T deserves the nod. This man is highly intelligent and very talented.

7. Stevie Ray Vaughan:

Long overdue for induction, blues musician, who is the successor to and an innovator to a great legacy, who's short
life was monumentally important to rock & roll.





7.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 08/22/2013 @ 09:51am

My bets for the nominees are (the names with a *by them mean i'm pretty sure they are locked to get in)


*Chic
Patsy Cline (maybe considered as an early influence)
The Cure
Deep Purple
Eric B. & Rakim
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
*Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
*N.W.A
*Nirvana
Gram Parsons
Procol Harum
Roxy Music
Mary Wells
Yes

Posted by EazyEluv on Thursday, 08/22/2013 @ 13:13pm

4. The Spinners

" I read the argument some had about how the Hall has represented 1970's R&B. While the Hall has mostly gotten "the giants" of 1970's R&B in, there are still a lot of R&B acts from the 1970's more than deserving of being inducted that have yet to even be nominated, let alone inducted. Amongst those acts, the Spinners are my favorite. And when you think about it, other than the O'Jays, what R&B vocal group (not band, but vocal group) has the Hall inducted? Especially compared to the doo wop groups of the 50's, and all of the Motown groups of the 60's. When it comes R&B vocal groups, the 70's are vastly underrepresented compared to the two previous decades. And what vocal group of the 1970's was more successful and defined the decade more than the Spinners. I'll admit, I'm a bigger fan of them than any other group from the 70's, when it comes to R&B groups, but to me no one else reached the pop charts and had more success than these guys. They're more than worthy. And they've been eligible for almost 30 years. Get them in already!"

Thanks, Donnie !!

P.S. : If either The Spinners or The Marvelettes get in, I'll be very happy !!

Both are deserving.

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 08/22/2013 @ 18:51pm

"12) Rufus featuring Chaka Khan - The next funk act in the hall will be either Rufus or War that is undeniable. But with Donna Summer and Ann Wilson now in the committee will be looking for another legendary female vocalists. That gives Rufus a slight edge because of Khan’s ability. Still someone like Linda Ronstadt or Patti Labelle could finally see at least nomination recognition this year in their place."

I also think that another act should receive serious consideration in this category:

"The Commodores"

The Commodores are perhaps the most successful Funk act of all time. Their only real rivals are Earth, Wind, and Fire. And THEY are already inducted.

The only thing that may hurt their chances are Lionel Richie's mega-successful ballads. The success of those songs really launched them into to the stratosphere of Pop success, but,I hope that doesn't hurt their chances to get in, because barring THAT, The Commodores could rock...or Funk, just as hard as ANY of them !!!

OOOOWWW !!! I'm a BRICK.....

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 08/22/2013 @ 19:09pm

As far as Patti goes...I think that she has one of the ALL-TIME great Female Voices...rivaled by few, unmatched by none...

But, that said, I STILL don't think that she should go in solo...she should go in with her group.

Just like the Hall credited The Faces/The Small Faces...

I think that Patti's group should go in as Patti LaBelle & The BlueBells/LaBelle

Because they're ONE and the SAME GROUP.

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 08/22/2013 @ 19:15pm

Oh...and Donnie: Thanks for not calling The Spinners a "band" . That term is being thrown around FAR too liberally here lately , and in the case of R&B vocal groups, it doesn't even APPLY.

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 08/22/2013 @ 19:23pm

My 7 alternate choices

1. Roxy Music

2. Chicago

3. Carole King, or Jim Croce

4. Hall & Oates

5. Yes

6. Sade

7. Todd Rundgren

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 08/22/2013 @ 22:23pm

Sade is not going to happen.

Posted by ..... on Thursday, 08/22/2013 @ 22:29pm

My 7 alternate choices:
1. Roxy Music

My first choice is of course, Duran Duran. But if for some reason they were not selected, my alternate choice would have to be Roxy Music. Roxy Music had written several great songs also. My favorite albums of theirs are: "Avalon" and "Country Life."

2. Chicago

If not The Moody Blues, I would choose Chicago. Chicago had three great vocalists: Terry Kath, Robert Lamm and Peter Cetera. Their first two albums are brilliant.

3. Carole King, or Jim Croce

If not Carly Simon, then Carole King, or Jim Croce. Carole King's album, "Tapestry" is a brilliant album. Jim Croce wrote several great songs in his all-too-short life: 'Operator,' 'Bad Bad Leroy Brown' and 'Time In A Bottle,' are classics.

4. If not The Doobie Brothers, then Hall & Oates. Daryl Hall and John Oates have written so many great Rock and Roll songs, it is almost impossible to keep track of them.

5. If not E.L.O. Then Yes. Yes is my co-favorite band musically. It would take me several pages to elaborate on them.

6. If not Ice--T, then Sade. Actually, I would prefer Sade.

7. If not S.R.V. then Todd Rundgren. Once again, his influence is immense.

4. Hall & Oates

5. Yes

6. Sade

7. Todd Rundgren

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 08/22/2013 @ 22:50pm

I have complete sway over the Hall here? Alright. Personally, I'd prefer a Hall which was more musician based. There's a lot of acts left behind, plus a few obvious ones in the modern era, so let's go.

1. Nirvana - The lock. No explanation necessary. There will be a pile of legit rock acts coming down the line who'll be entering over the next five yrs. or so, & this is the group that opened the doors for them.

2. Soundgarden - Why wait on them? Let the Hall show it's committed to really honoring everyone, & start the modern party right now. They've got the catalog, they've hit #1 on the charts, and their still being played over 25 yrs. after they debuted. Let 'em in.

3. Bad Company - A band that is always mentioned, but almost always behind other acts of their time. I'd let them in ahead of a few other high priority groups. In addition, there is a definite link between the careers of Paul Rodgers and SG's Chris Cornell. Both Cornell & Rodgers have seen success w/more than one act. Detractors may say the groups didn't last long enough to be Hall-worthy, but an acknowledgement of both Soundgarden & Bad Co. in the same yr. would let other artists who've staked a claim in multiple short-lived outfits know there's a place for them in the Hall as well.

4. Chicago - 1969-1976 has them racking up hit after hit. Musically they're solid, while commercially, they can quiet anyone who places sales over everything else. There's no reason why they should be left out.

5. War - See one spot above. They rule the roost from 1970-1976, they've got a Latin-edge to their funk that stands out from other's of the time, they've a #1 album to their credit as well. Kool & the Gang have a say here as well, for the majority of their 70's funk, but War had the earlier success, for those who have to play "follow the leader".

6. Deep Purple - The Prog-Metal, "we should've been here ten yrs. ago, at the earliest", contender. Would be nice to hear the greatest rock riff in history actually played at one of these ceremonies - preferably by the band who found the chords in the first place.

7. Link Wray/Dick Dale - Somebody ought to remember these gents. Dale's still kicking, so it'd be nice if they maybe brought him to the party. If you're not all in for surf, then do a homage to Wray. Heard a legendary story about how Townsend once fell on his knees in front of Wray, and thanked him for whipping up a little number called "Rumble". Methinks I might be able to find a presenter here?

A nice mixture of Instrumental, Jazz, Funk, Metal, Punk, & Blues.

*** One other name must be mentioned - the Funk Brothers. Am I allowed to induct them as a straight act, or as merely sidemen? If it's as sidemen, then they are going in this class. If, on the other hand, I can place them in under the performer heading, then I'm having them headline the class after this one. They deserve a headlining place, as they are the musicians who played on more #1 songs in the 60's than anyone else. It's unfair to put them on the same bill as Nirvana, since both should be given headline status. If they are going to be inducted as sidemen, then I've simply strengthened my class. If t's as performers, they get top billing the next yr.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 08/23/2013 @ 05:20am

1. Nirvana
2. Kraftwerk
3. N.W.A.
4. Gram Parsons
5. Roxy Music
6. Chic
7. Whitney Houston
8. T. Rex
9. Peter Tosh
10. Carly Simon
11. Kiss
12. Deep Purple
13. Stevie Ray Vaughn
14. King Crimson
15. Willie Nelson

Posted by Topest Lel on Friday, 08/23/2013 @ 08:57am

Bill G.,

The Commodores are so often underrated for being a phenomenal funk group. That is, like you say, Lionel Richie's fault. He so far outshines the other men that they get cast aside. To me they are one of those candidates who should have been in already.

As for the wonderful Patti. I think Labelle would have a shot as a group attached to Patti as a solo career. But the two part history of that group may make the hall exclude The Bluebells history. Which means Cindy Birdsong would miss out again for an induction, considering only the three Supremes of the early 60s were inducted. I wouldn't be surprised to see the hall only honor Patti however.

When it comes to females in Rock'N'Rolls history, the hall has done a horrid job at recognizing talent. For some reason if you are male and a fantastic vocalist you are enshrined easily and without question. Look at Sam Cooke, Jackie Wilson, Solomon Burke, The Righteous Brothers, Rod Stewart, and Percy Sledge. Sledge is a fantastic example of a man with one great song and a wonderful voice jumping over women that should be there with the same credentials. Mary Wells, Doris Troy, and Irma Thomas being examples.

Then again the Hall is strange, Darlene Love and Laura Nyro make the cut. Yet Patti Labelle, Chaka Khan, Linda Ronstdat, Pat Benatar, Cher, Whitney Houston, The Go-Gos, Salt-N-Pepa, Janet Jackson, Annie Lennox, Sade Adu, Kate Bush, Kim Gordon, Kim Deal, Lesley Gore, Gloria Estefan, Siouxsie Sioux, Exene Cervenka, Kate Pierson & Cindy Wilson, Natalie Cole, and so many others can hardly land nominations. That list will become so long as we move into the 90s classes that it will be laughable. Considering the domination of female acts in that decade.

Posted by Chris F. on Friday, 08/23/2013 @ 09:04am

If I had a dictator like grasp on the Hall the seven acts in without a doubt this year would be.

1) Nirvana - Headliners.
2) Deep Purple
3) Yes
4) Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
5) Janet Jackson
6) Mary Wells
7) The Pixies

Posted by Chris F. on Friday, 08/23/2013 @ 09:09am

I am sorry, but I have just realized that I cannot pick just 7. Of course, I happen to like my original list more than the others. Once again, I had chosen the following acts:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Carly Simon
4. The Doobie Brothers
5. Foreigner
6. Sade
7. Jeff Lynne and/or Electric Light Orchestra
8. Nirvana

In this order:

A possibly better order for the 2014 inductees:

1. Sade

'Smooth Operator'
'No Ordinary Love'

2. Doobie Brothers

' Long Train Running
'China Grove'
'You Belong To Me'

3. Carly Simon

'Nobody Does It Better'
'You're So Vain'

4. Foreigner

'I Want To Know What Love Is'
' Cold As Ice'

5. Nirvana

'Heart Shaped Box'
'No Apologies'

6. Electric Light Orchestra

'Livin' Thing'
'Mr. Blue Sky'

7. The Moody Blues

'I'm Just A Singer In A Rock And Roll Band'
'Legend Of A Mind'
'Nights In White Satin'

8. Duran Duran

'The Chauffeur'
'Ordinary World'
'The Man Who Stole The Leopard'
'What Happens Tomorrow'

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 08/23/2013 @ 09:17am

Cheesecrop,

"My feeling is that it will be a domino effect. As the amount of harder edged bands increase, they'll be forced to acknowledge what they've missed. The voices multiply, & after a while, the ball starts rolling to a point where you can't stop it. It may take another year or two, but it's coming. "

I think in the next year or two you are going to start seeing recognition of 70s acts that should be in. Yes, Deep Purple, War, Steve Miller, The Spinners, The Blue Notes, etc...

I would love to see an induction of mostly 80s acts happen sometime soon. The Pixies, Sonic Youth, The Cure, The B-52s, The Eurythmics, Pat Benatar, Dire Straits, N.W.A., Peter Gabriel, Eric B & Rakim, Salt-N-Pepa, Def Leppard, Iron Maiden, LL Cool J, Duran Duran, Motley Crue. Or an induction that excludes any 60s acts. Just for a year. I know that may be too much to ask.

Posted by Chris F. on Friday, 08/23/2013 @ 09:19am

Since I asked the question, I should give you mine. If I were in charge of the class of 2014, I would try to address my pet snubbed genre, prog, and era, the 80s.

1. Peter Gabriel. Already in with Genesis, deserves it even more for his solo work. Groundbreaking, innovative AND popular success. The whole package.

2. Yes. May be the most egregious snub. This pisses me off. You don't have to like them, but nobody can deny they are a leader in their genre and have innovated for decades. As a leading band in a genre, the influence is a given.

3. The Cars. Need more 80s, and they were a leader in New Wave and hugely popular. Ric Ocasek is one of our greatest pop/rock songwriters.

4. Duran Duran. Enigmatus already made the argument. Staying power, great musicians, massive success and very influential on today's pop music.

5. Kraftwerk. This is obvious. I can only guess lack of familiarity is why they are not in. Is anyone more influential?

6.Hall and Oates. 70s and 80s, huge hits and awesome.

7. KISS or Stevie Ray Vaughan. Can't decide. Cases have already been made for both.

Early Influence- Sonny Boy Williamson

Non-Performers- Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois. I know both are also performers, but I think their biggest influence is as producers.

Posted by dezmond on Friday, 08/23/2013 @ 11:07am

I meant Sonny Boy Williamson II

Posted by dezmond on Friday, 08/23/2013 @ 11:11am

Wow. So many acts to choose from and I know whatever the result there will be a contingent of people not only supremely disappointed but righteously angry. Unfortunate, but fact is not all can get in, some will have to wait, others will never get in who should and perhaps some will get in who maybe shouldn't. It's all so subjective. I have never taken too much issue with who does get in. I have had more issues with those who have gone unrecognized for too long. I am sure most of these will eventually get in though I have a concern for some who as time goes by will be forgotten but who have had such a profound influence without major sales. Last year it was Laura Nyro. I am convinced that had she not gone in last year she may never made it. Yet she composed so many great songs for others and set a template for people like Tori Amos and Suzanne Vega. Anyway, with malice towards none and charity for all here are my own meager suggestions for the 15 nominations. Although numbered they are in no particular order. The numbers are just helping me keep count at 12:30 AM not an indicator as one being more worthy of another.
1) Todd Rundgren
2)Linda Ronstadt
3)Deep Purple
4)Cat Stevens
5)Yes
6)Emerson Lake and Palmer
7)The Moody Blues
8)Electric Light Orchestra
9)Doobie Brothers
10)Tommy James and the Shondells
11)Steppenwolf
12)Mountain
13)Paul Butterfield Blues Band
14) Johnny Winter
15)The Zombies

So many others worthy. Lets sing all their praises and look forward to the jam.

Posted by crash on Saturday, 08/24/2013 @ 00:32am

"Bill G.,

The Commodores are so often underrated for being a phenomenal funk group. That is, like you say, Lionel Richie's fault. He so far outshines the other men that they get cast aside. To me they are one of those candidates who should have been in already."

I totally agree, Chris . The Commodores were a phenomenal group...and like The Miracles, The other members often wrote and contributed material...plus they all possessed superb on-stage style and showmanship: unlike most self-contained acts, they could dance as well as they played and sang...which is why, despite Lionel Richie's solo success, they should all go in together.(His solo hits, though very successful, were way too "pop" for my tastes). The Commodores' hits virtually kept Motown alive during the 70's , when most of their top-tier 60's acts had either broken up, or had left the label.

One of the group's all-time biggest hits, "Brick House" was not even led by Ritchie , but by the group's other lead singer, Walter "Clyde" Orange. Clyde also sang lead on their post-Richie mega-smash, "Nightshift". and their hit "Only You" .

William King, who also occasionally sang lead, wrote one of the group's final big hits, "Lady (You Bring Me Up)" a Top 10 Pop & R&B smash. Richie had nothing to do with writing THAT one.

The Commodores, Lionel Richie, William King, Tommy McCleary, Walter "Clyde" Orange, Ron LaPread, and the late Milan Williams , should ALL be inducted.

Also, another Motown group, The All-Stars: Junior Walker, Willie Woods, James Graves, Vic Thomas, and Tony Washington (the original members) should have also been inducted LONG ago. They were one of the PIONEERING Funk groups. They were Funk before the term became popular. And with some two dozen hits for Motown's "Soul" Label imprint, They opened the doors for many Funk bands that came after them. They are on the Rock Hall's "previously considered" list. It's past time for them to get in.

Songs like "Shotgun", "Road Runner" "Shake and Fingerpop", "What Does It Take" "Cleo's Mood" the incredible "Walk In The Night","Do The Boomerang","Hip City", and many more, really cemented this group's reputation as Motown's "Ultimate Party Band"

(THIS time,as with The Commodores, the term "band" is accurate) .

Their first Motown/Soul album, "SHOTGUN" was almost a "greatest hits" album in and of itself, with no less than 7 chart hits coming from that ONE album.

I'd like to see the Commodores and The All-Stars both get in....and The Marvelettes.

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08/24/2013 @ 02:11am

Here are my 8 alternate choices:

1. Roxy Music

2. Chicago

3. Carole King (or Jim Croce)

4. Hall And Oates

5. Bad Company

6. The Commodores

7. Yes

8. Pearl Jam

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 08/24/2013 @ 02:17am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uea5C9ASBeg

****WALK IN THE NIGHT****
(1972)

by Junior Walker & The All-Stars

(sounds like the Andantes are in this one too)

You have GOT to hear THIS one..one of their final big hits.

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08/24/2013 @ 02:18am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFfa0httSfc

*****ROAD RUNNER (1966)*****

By Junior Walker & The All-Stars

Top 20 Pop, Top 5 R&B,(#4) and # 12 UK

written and produced by Holland-Dozier-Holland


also:

*****SHOTGUN (1965)*****

Top 5 Pop , # 1 R&B

Junior HIMSELF wrote THIS one !!!

Junior Walker and All-Stars member Willie Woods on lead vocals

Two Motown MONSTERS !!!!

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08/24/2013 @ 02:30am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSEefQ6TLWI

JR.WALKER & THE ALL-STARS

(Willie Woods, James Graves, & Vic Thomas)

****DO THE BOOMERANG (1965)****

(#36 POP, # 10 R&B)

Junior & Willie Woods on vocals

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08/24/2013 @ 02:39am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xM_p0_ISGg

****SHAKE AND FINGERPOP (1965)****

JR. WALKER & THE ALL-STARS LIVE !!!

#29 POP, # 7 R&B

JR WALKER (VOCALS & SAX) WILLIE WOODS (VOCALS& LEAD GUITAR) JAMES GRAVES (DRUMS) VIC THOMAS (KEYBOARDS)

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08/24/2013 @ 02:59am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLDRbaX0Kog

****SHAKE & FINGERPOP****

(Original Hit Recording)

from the group's incredible hit-filled "SHOTGUN" album.

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08/24/2013 @ 03:03am

1. Nirvana
2. Chic
3. N.W.A.
4. Stevie Ray Vaughan
5. Deep Purple
6. Yes
7. Linda Ronstadt
8. Kraftwerk
9. The Cure
10. War
11. The Spinners
12. Whitney Houston
13. Eurythmics
14. Ben E. King
15. Patsy Cline

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 08/24/2013 @ 15:11pm

Guaranteed:

1. Nirvana - LOCK
2. Chic - Near Lock (could there be a more perfect time for them to get inducted! It's the year they Get Lucky)

Rap:

3. NWA
4. LL Cool J

We've been treated to at least two rap acts per year, I expect this year to follow suit and these two are the biggest names eligible. NWA guaranteed an induction in the next couple of years.

Hard Rock:

5. Deep Purple
6. KISS

I think recently, the Hall has been trying to make amends with the biggest snubs (Rush, The Miracles). I expect these two to be inducted within the next five years , the deal with HBO also encourages them to seek out more marquee names on the ballot.

Singer/Songwriters:
7. Cat Stevens
8. Gram Parsons

When in doubt, always predict a healthy amount of singer/songwriters. There's almost always one inducted every year. I went with the two that they've already nominated.

R&B:

9. The Spinners
10. The Marvelettes

These could be any number of groups/artists. I'm going with the two of the most recently nominated and seemed on the verge of induction.

60s:
14. The Zombies - I'm gonna predict this because the Rock Hall site seemed to make a big deal out of their visit. The same trick worked for Heart appearing in the ballot a couple of years back. Plus, they've got the artistic cachet and some significant name recognition.

80s:
12. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts - They want her in.
13. The Cure - They've gotta start acknowledging 80s alternative somehow. The Cure get the nod for being previously nominated.

EDM:

14. Kraftwerk - I think we may have found Chic's heir apparent. With the rise of EDM, the nomcom will keep pushing them. Given, their image and music style, I don't see them getting in until they reach near double digit nominations but hopefully, I'm proven wrong they get in sooner rather than later.

Miscellaneous:
15. Dick Dale

My WTF pick. There's always one. There's no rhyme or reason why they get in and usually they become dark horses for induction. I picked Dale because between Jeff Beck and The Ventures, there seems to be a snug space in the Hall reserved for him to eventually fill one day. Why not now?

Posted by rockstar23 on Saturday, 08/24/2013 @ 20:46pm

If they pick 7 again here are my predictions for inductees:

1. Nirvana - Do I need to explain why

2. Chic - 8 times a charm

3. N.W.A. - They are a shoo-in for the hip-hop slot. The problem for me is that the voters are ready to put gangsta rap in the Hall.

4. Yes - Their apperance in the Legends series and the bipartisans project from politicians, they might get in, but I don't think the Hall won't nominate a prog act two years in a row.

5. Linda Ronstadt - With the announcement of her getting Parkinson's disease and the support from the Eagles, they let her get nominated and get the slot for singer/songwriter, if not then Gram Parsons.

6. Kraftwerk - I know I said that they might not get nominated 2 years in a row, but I'll give them a chance.

7. Stevie Ray Vaughn - He will take the blues slot for the 2014 ballot.

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 08/25/2013 @ 00:02am

Once again, I will need to amend my list. The recent passing of Allen Lanier might change things for Blue Oyster Cult. To the members of Blue Oyster Cult and Allen's family, i would like to convey my most sincere condolences.

Chris,

I could not agree more. Therefore, here is one of my older posts:

Unfortunately, I cannot seem to get any love for Sade, which is really too bad.

Now, Yes has recently started to get far more intention. Would the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induct more than one major "progressive rock" band in any given year? Yes just so happens to be my co-favorite band musically, but not lyrically. Can anybody guess what the other one is? With those cryptic lyrics, is it possible for anyone to really know, or do we have to guess what the heck Jon Anderson was singing about?

Even so, both Yes and The Moody Blues have deserved
induction into the RRHOF for quite a long time..

I'm up for the challenge. I was told by an economist that you cannot predict the rise and fall of the stock market; much to his dismay, I had predicted that to within one day; it had saved me thousands of dollars.

So, I consider the nominees for the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame to be even more nebulous. Four months prior to the nomination list coming out last year, I had predicted that the late Donna Summer, Heart and Rush would be inducted. After the nomination list had come out, I had voted for 4 out of the 5 inductees, on the fan's ballot. I had voted for: Rush, Heart, Randy Newman, Donna Summer and Procol Harum. Of course, I was not surprised that Albert King had been inducted, either.

The past several years, the Rock Hall has been criticized for not inducting many progressive rock, nor 1980's acts; personally, I cannot think of a 1980's act, more induction worthy than Duran Duran. Can you? Factor in the fact that Duran Duran had won a Bay area opinion poll earlier this year, along with the inclusion of "Rio" as a Classic album and the omnipresence of their Behind The Music remastered episode airing several times on VH1 Classic, in addition to several fan documentaries about them on youtube and and the fact that they are still around making great music and i feel that their nomination chances are very high. Therefore I
place them at the top of the list of acts that I feel are going to
be considered for induction in 2014.

Once again, here is my list:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Jeff Lynne and/or Electric Light Orchestra
4. The Doobie Brothers
5. Stevie Ray Vaughan
6. Carly Simon
7. Foreigner
8. Nirvana
9. Deep Purple
10. Chic
11. Kraftwerk
12. The Marvelettes
13. The Spinners
14. Sade
15. Ice-T
16. Yes
17. Blue Oyster Cult
18. Judas Priest

The nominees list has always been so variable and confusing, so I consider making up that particular list a major challenge. Regarding how I determine my nominees list- I happen to pay close attention to various media.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/25/2013 @ 04:41am

Chic
The Cure
Deep Purple
Depeche Mode
The "5" Royales
MC5
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Jon Jett & the Blackhearts
Kraftwerk
Erik B. & Rakim
The Marvelettes
Nirvana
N.W.A
Lou Reed
The Zombies

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 08/25/2013 @ 05:53am

We've been posting our nomination/induction predictions, but pretend that you have complete sway over the Hall's decision for 2014. In other words, with seven slots for induction, the Class of 2014 is completely up to you (following the actual eligibility rules, of course). Which seven would you induct and why? You might approach this as just listing your seven biggest snubs, or from a different perspective. I'll post mine soon.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 08.22.13 @ 07:46am
--------------------------------------------------
I'd like to take this to an even greater, and fairly logical, conclusion. Since we all took control of the Rock Hall for a yr., but we all know that as individuals, we'd still have a massive backlog, I suggest taking it another step.

What would be your "total control" classes of the next three yrs.? Everyone keep what they wrote earlier, & work off it. Use the next two classes after that one (and keeping in mind artists coming up) & take over the Hall's voting. Re-Post your 2014 Class, & let's see what we'd do for 2015 & 2016.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 08/25/2013 @ 06:14am

My 2014-2016 Picks:

2014:

1. Nirvana (headliners)
2. Soundgarden
3. Bad Company
4. Chicago
5. War
6. Deep Purple
7. Dick Dale (I'm splitting the Dale/Link Wray combo up)

2015:

1. The Funk Brothers (headliners)
2. Green Day
3. Jethro Tull
4. Link Wray
5. Megadeth
6. The Cars
7. The Spinners

2016:

1. Chubby Checker (headliner)
2. Alice In Chains
3. Blur
4. Mariah Carey
5. Steve Miller Band
6. The Monkees
7. The Smashing Pumpkins

Outside of the headliner, I put them in any order (I don't ask for show placement)

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 08/25/2013 @ 06:26am

Taking a stab at the next three classes if I had a strangle hold on the inductions.

2014
1) Nirvana - Headliners.
2) Deep Purple
3) Yes
4) Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
5) Janet Jackson
6) Mary Wells
7) The Pixies

2015
1) Green Day- Headliners
2) Linda Ronstadt
3) Iron Maiden
4) Afrika Baambaata
5) Whitney Houston
6) Chicago
7) Chic

2016
1) Hall & Oates - Headliners
2) The Cure
3) A Tribe Called Quest
4) N.W.A.
5) Alice In Chains
6) Mariah Carey
7) Eurythmics

Posted by Chris F. on Sunday, 08/25/2013 @ 06:42am

Once again, if I had total control, my list would be "prog" heavy.

2014:

Duran Duran
The Moody Blues
Carly Simon
Foreiigner
Electric Light Orchestra
Doobie Brothers
Sade

2015:

Roxy Music
Chicago
Jim Croce
Deep Purple
Yes
Hall & Oates
Queen Latifah

2016

Jethro Tull
Procol Harum
Carole King
Blue Oyster Cult
King Crimson
Pat Benatar
Phish

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/25/2013 @ 11:03am

I'm sorry, I had meant Foreigner. I had two many i's in that last list.

Why not add one more year?

2017:

Styx
Kansas
Linda Ronstadt
Judas Priest
Gentle Giant
Martina McBride
Shania Twain

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/25/2013 @ 11:10am

Other alternatives for 2017:

Styx
Kansas
Stevie Nicks
Peter Gabriel
The Cars
Green Day
Eurythmics

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/25/2013 @ 14:36pm

Here's what the class would be if I had "total control" for the Hall:

2014:
Nirvana
Chic
N.W.A.
Yes
Kraftwerk
Linda Ronstadt
Stevie Ray Vaughn

2015:
Green Day
Nine Inch Nails
Warren Zevon
KISS
War
The Marvelettes
The Spinners

2016:
Alice in Chains
Blur
Smashing Pumpkins
Steve Miller Band
Gram Parsons
Whitney Houston
Eric B. & Rakim

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 08/25/2013 @ 15:07pm

2014:

Nirvana (Headliners)
Deep Purple
KISS
Kraftwerk
The Moody Blues
N.W.A.
The Spinners

2015:
Green Day (co-Headliners)
Janet Jackson (co-headliner)
Chic
Chicago
Depeche Mode
The Monkees
Stevie Ray Vaughan

2016:
Alice in Chains (co-headliners)
Soundgarden (co-headliners)
The Cure
Def Leppard
Whitney Houston
The Pixies
Barry White

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 08/25/2013 @ 21:47pm

Once again, if I had total control, my list would be "prog" heavy.

2014:

Duran Duran
The Moody Blues
Carly Simon
Foreiigner
Electric Light Orchestra
Doobie Brothers
Sade

2015:

Roxy Music
Chicago
Jim Croce
Deep Purple
Yes
Hall & Oates
Queen Latifah

2016:

Jethro Tull
Procol Harum
Carole King
Blue Oyster Cult
King Crimson
Pat Benatar
Supertramp

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 08/26/2013 @ 01:32am

My predictions for the next three years

2014
Nirvana
Moody Blues
Deep Purple
Steve Miller Band
The Spinners
NWA
Carly Simon

2015
Green Day
King Crimson
Bad Company
Jethro Tull
Def Leppard
Barry White
The Monkees

2016
KISS
Electric Light Orchestra
Emerson Lake and Palmer
The Funk Brothers
Doobie Brothers
Pearl Jam
Soundgarden

2017 Just for kicks
Smashing Pumpkins
Beck
Journey
Styx
Chicago
The Turtles
Yes

Posted by Tom H on Monday, 08/26/2013 @ 09:24am

Of course that'd still leave a backlog of great artists so here's my class of 2018 too

Supertramp
Procol Harum
Dave Matthews Band
Black Crowes
Foreigner
Herman's Hermits

Posted by Tom H on Monday, 08/26/2013 @ 10:01am

If all these projected lists do come true it looks like the RRHOF will be mostly all-male! By the way, I thought this was about 2014, not any other year?

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 08/26/2013 @ 12:14pm

Mostly male and mostly mulleted. These 70s Prog/ Vanilla wish lists are nauseating. People need to start thinking outside their own record collections.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 08/26/2013 @ 16:09pm

Any of these names would be ideal Early Influence inductions for next year:

Al Jolson
Charley Patton
Wynonie Harris
Roy Brown
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
The Mills Brothers
The Ravens
Sonny Boy Williamson (both the original and Rice Miller)
Lightnin' Hopkins
Big Jay McNeely

Tharpe, Harris, and Brown are easily the three most glaring omissions in the EI category. All should have been inducted during the first five years of the Hall's existence, but have sadly had sit on the sidelines while one hit wonders (Percy Sledge), flavor-of-the-month oldies acts (The Lovin' Spoonful), names who have only a slim link to rock n' roll (Miles Davis) and artists who fall more into the pop crowd (James Taylor) have been embraced. Read my posts on Sister Rosetta Tharpe to learn more about her significant influence on the development of rock 'n roll.

Bill G, I too would agree that the Soul Train era of soul/funk/R&B needs greater representation. The Spinners and War would be my picks, as well as the incomporable Don Cornelius. I'd also argue that the Hall needs more jump blues acts. As it stands, Louis Jordan, Big Joe Turner, and T-Bone Walker are the only representatives of this relentlessly exciting, never-boring genre in the Hall. The aforementioned Wynonie Harris and Roy Brown are the two other biggies that need to be honored. Cases could be made for Amos Milburn, Louis Prima, and a couple others.

As for performers, I will continue to argue for Screamin' Jay Hawkins, The Cure, The Cars, T. Rex, Roxy Music, Johnny Burnette & The Rock 'N Roll Trio, The Runaways, Kraftwerk, Ben E. King, Jr. Walker and the All-Stars, The Marvellettes, Mary Wells, Billy Ward and the Dominoes, Dale Hawkins, War, The Spinners, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Joy Division, New Order, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Joan Jett & the Blackhearts, The Smiths, and Pat Benatar.

Posted by Zach on Monday, 08/26/2013 @ 18:15pm

Whoops, I forgot to mention Link Wray and the Ray Men and Dick Dale and the Del-Tones. Two completely inexcusable snubs, and among the worthiest acts as yet uninducted.

Posted by Zach on Monday, 08/26/2013 @ 18:32pm

Whoops, also forgot to mention Cab Calloway in the EI category.

Posted by Zach on Monday, 08/26/2013 @ 18:49pm

Excellent question Dezmond. I'll have a go:

1. Nirvana (Honorable mention: Soundgarden)
2. Deep Purple (Honorable mention: Judas Priest)
3. King Crimson (HM: Moody Blues, Yes)
4. Chic
5. Eric B. & Rakim (HM: N.W.A., Boogie Down Productions)
6. Kraftwerk
7. The Cure

It's not perfect, but you keep it fresh by putting a new name in (and also get the big headliner), and you also get an electronic/synth group, hard rock, funk, rap, post-punk and prog. Something for everyone to be happy about. With The Cure in it becomes easier for Joy Division/New Order, The Smiths and Depeche Mode to gain momentum. The former and latter also benefit from Kraftwerk's induction. I picked King Crimson over The Moody Blues and Yes because the latter groups are bigger names and it'll be easier for them to get in; Crimson don't have a chance right now. Deep Purple helps the Committee start to sort through the metal backlog.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 08/26/2013 @ 19:04pm

I know what you mean, Jason and DarinRG. The voters will not pick around 6 70s prog/vanilla acts to the hall in a single year. My predictions on who I might think be inducted for the next three years Cheesecrop made has only one 70s prog/vanilla act. The ballot might look like this:

1 or 2 newly eligible acts
3 R&B acts
2 Hip Hop acts
2 Singer/Songwriters acts
2 Blues acts
1 Wild Card act
4 or 5 rockist favorite acts

The inducted class might also look like this

1 newly eligble act
1 Hip Hop act
2 R&B acts
1 singer/songwriter act
1 or 2 rockist favorite acts

Either way the class will still look good without inducting many 70s prog/vanilla artists.

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 08/26/2013 @ 19:42pm

Anybody got any good predictions about non-performers? Sorry, I just haven't taken the time to scroll thru all the comments. There's plenty of people behind rock and roll that didn't perform (such as producers, songwriters, labelmen, list goes on and on).

The only two I see in my crystal ball for this year is the songwriting team of Burt Bacharach and the late Hal David.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 08/26/2013 @ 20:23pm

John R.C- You sound like a guy who knows how this actually works.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 08/26/2013 @ 20:45pm

My wish list, I know that just about all of these will pretty much never be nominated or inducted, ever...

1 Electric Light Orchestra
2 Phil Collins
3 The Alan Parsons Project
4 The Doobie Brothers
5 Chicago
6 Three Dog Night
7 Foreigner
8 Bachman-Turner Overdrive
9 Journey
10 The J. Geils Band
11 The Spinners
12 The Cars
13 Fanny
14 Don Covay & the Goodtimers
15 "Weird Al" Yankovic

Non-Performers

Casey Kasem
Don Arden

Early Influences

Andy Williams
The Four Aces

Side-Men

SuMagNa (Susan Collins, Marge Raymond & Nancy O'Neill)
Daryl Stuermer

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Monday, 08/26/2013 @ 21:32pm

"Bill G, I too would agree that the Soul Train era of soul/funk/R&B needs greater representation. The Spinners and War would be my picks, as well as the incomporable Don Cornelius. I'd also argue that the Hall needs more jump blues acts. As it stands, Louis Jordan, Big Joe Turner, and T-Bone Walker are the only representatives of this relentlessly exciting, never-boring genre in the Hall. The aforementioned Wynonie Harris and Roy Brown are the two other biggies that need to be honored.
Cases could be made for Amos Milburn, Louis Prima, and a couple others.

As for performers, I will continue to argue for Screamin' Jay Hawkins, The Cure, The Cars, T. Rex, Roxy Music, Johnny Burnette & The Rock 'N Roll Trio, The Runaways, Kraftwerk, Ben E. King, Jr. Walker and the All-Stars, The Marvellettes, Mary Wells, Billy Ward and the Dominoes, Dale Hawkins, War, The Spinners, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Joy Division, New Order, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Joan Jett & the Blackhearts, The Smiths, and Pat Benatar.

Thanks,Zach !!

Posted by bill g on Monday, 08/26/2013 @ 23:36pm

I'm going to move Jr. Walker & The All-Stars'videos to their page-because there's less chance of them being removed that way .

Also, The Marvelettes, Mary Wells , Dionne Warwick, and Patti LaBelle & The Blue Belles/LaBelle should be considered...as should The Shangri-Las and The Chantels.

Posted by Bill G on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 01:16am

We posted our 2014 predictions up at the top.

Posted by FRL on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 01:34am

**ARTISTS OF THE "SOUL TRAIN" ERA**

Artists of the late 60's to the late 70's, who came to prominence during the run of Soul Train...mostly ignored by the Hall.

The STYLISTICS*The DELFONICS*BARRY WHITE*The SPINNERS*HAROLD MELVIN & THE BLUE NOTES*THE CHI-LITES*JOE SIMON*GENE CHANDLER(early 60's)*DIONNE WARWICK (ditto)*THE COMMODORES*LOU RAWLS*PATTI LA BELLE & THE BLUE BELLES/LA BELLE*THE WHISPERS*THE MANHATTANS*BILL WITHERS*EDWIN STARR*TINA TURNER (SOLO)*JOHNNIE TAYLOR*DAVID PORTER*ASHFORD & SIMPSON*RUFUS with CHAKA KHAN*BILLY PRESTON*THE DRAMATICS*THE MOMENTS*THE MAIN INGREDIENT*THE FIFTH DIMENSION*The CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD* CHUCK JACKSON*JERRY BUTLER*BEN E.KING

Posted by Bill G on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 01:36am

Fifteen nominees, my picks:

The Marvelettes
Moody Blues
Nirvana
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Deep Purple
The Spinners
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
Linda Ronstadt
Procol Harum
Afrika Bambattaa and the Soulsonic Force
Rufus and Chaka Khan
Def Leppard
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
KISS
Kraftwerk

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I don't know how accurate this list is but this is just my imagination.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 02:17am

Bill G,

"Also, The Marvelettes, Mary Wells , Dionne Warwick, and Patti LaBelle & The Blue Belles/LaBelle should be considered...as should The Shangri-Las and The Chantels."

I couldn't agree more with all of these being deserving. The female acts of the 1960s that had equivalent careers to their male counterparts just aren't getting the respect. If Percy Sledge is in, why have Doris Troy, Fontella Bass, Carla Thomas, and Irma Thomas not even been nominated? I don't know if any of their hits are as classic as Sledge's monster, but Carla Thomas had a much larger career and you would think the Otis Redding connection would get her in.

As for the girl groups. You would think with a finite number of possible inductions, and such longstanding hit songs, they would be all in for the most part. Yet still sitting out there are The Marvelettes, The Chantels (although to me they are purely a Doo Wop group, and not associated with these other acts), The Shangri-Las, The Chiffons, and the Cookies. I would have added the Crystals but Darlene Love's induction ended that chance. Although I truly think that the work outside of Darlene Love's deserves at least a nomination sometime down the road. Outside of that the only two I think that may even blip onto the committee's radar are the Dixie Cups and the Angels. But both groups were kind of swallowed by the sheer hit status of their big song and don't have that name recognition generations later the Hall seems to always go for.

As for your Soul Train era artists. They are all great, and really created a soundtrack to that time that is so important. Jerry Butler is a personal favorite of mine. So I always feel a little biased when I say he should be in the Hall twice. But I wouldn't complain about it.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 02:34am

Future Rock Legends predicts the 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees and states its reasons

01. Chic
02. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
03. Procol Harum
04. The Spinners
05. Deep Purple
06. N.W.A
07. Kraftwerk
08. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
09. Bon Jovi
10. Joe Tex
11. Nirvana
12. De La Soul
13. Stevie Ray Vaughan
14. Linda Ronstadt
15. Yes

NO Mary Wells, Marvelettes, Zombies, Monkees, Jan and Dean or KISS

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 05:52am

I don't know how accurate this list is but this is just my imagination.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 08.27.13 @ 02:17am
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You hit the nail on the head.

Everyone:

Don't forget, the whole idea from several days ago was to pick who You would vote in, had You full control of the Hall. If anyone's lists don't match up to what other folks think, oh well. This wasn't meant to be some serious thing anyway, it was just a extended goof for a bit.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 06:03am

Since today is the 60th birthday of Alex Lifeson, co-founder (along with the late John Rutsey) and guitarist for Rush, I thought that it would be very appropriate to ask this question, "Will Rush's induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame have any lasting impact, or will it return to the "business as usual" routine of induction, once again?"

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 09:27am

Oh yes, one more thing. After looking at the nomination predictions for last year, I had just realized that the list had 3 actual inductees on it, ironically 3 of the same artists that I had chosen as inductees a few months earlier. Of course, 4/5 of the names that I had voted for on the fan's ballot were inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame earlier this year (Randy Newman, Donna Summer, Heart and Rush). It's nice to see that my other choice for lad year, Procol Harum has returned to the ballot this year.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 09:47am

Enigmaticus,

It is really hard to say. Prog is one of the places the Hall gets slammed for being incapable of understanding. The last act before Rush inducted was Genesis. And then deciding on how you slice up an artists career the only other big Prog names are Pink Floyd and Traffic (where do you put Zappa?). All four have that name recognition the hall loves, and the sales. For some reason people tend to think the Hall doesn't look at popularity as a factor. But nearly every artist in there has had some kind of large sales achievement. The ones who didn't are massive influences on their respective styles.

Procol Harum seems like they are just waiting to get there now. And I think Yes will see their first nomination this year now that Rush is out of the way. I also think they may actually get inducted this year. As for the rest of the genre it is hard to say. The Hall has other styles that are underrepresented (Hard Rock, Punk, Doo Wop, & Metal being blatantly lacking, as well as Hip Hop) and more are coming in the following years (the Alternative, Grunge, & 90s R&B scenes).

As for who I could see eventually getting nominations. King Crimson's massive influence should get them there eventually (even if not inducted). ELP & ELO both have a good shot somewhere down the line (Personally I think both should have been in). Chicago has that Soft Rock career as an obstacle (though Genesis overcame it). Kansas is best remembered for a song that keeps them at arms length it seems. I am surprised The Moody Blues and Jethro Tull haven't popped up for consideration, and assume both will be enshrined in the next decade (considering an act like Steely Dan is in). Outside of those acts though I would say outside of that the only upcoming act that could stake a claim is Tool (I would like to say Dream Theater, but that is not going to happen).

Sadly that puts some really talented Rock outfits out in the cold. I am talking about Van der Graf Generator, Marillion, Dixie Dregs, and The Alan Parson's Project. Though some people who touched on Prog might have a chance (Kate Bush as an example).

On a similar note it bothers me that Jazz Fusion will really only ever be represented by Miles Davis in the Hall (sure there are plenty of artists who incorporated the concept...Zappa, Mitchell, Van Morrison). Unless Chicago could make it in. I will always stand behind Mahavishnu Orchestra and Weather Report deserving at least a nomination.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 10:21am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YHkGvrivPI

*** SOUUUULLLL TRAAAAAIINNN !!! ***

...And MOST OF ALL.... The Master Blaster HIMSELF :

Mr DON CORNELIUS !!!

(No....HE'S not inducted EITHER!!)

Posted by Bill G on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 15:49pm

******SOUL TRAIN******

FROM WIKIPEDIA:

Soul Train is an American musical variety show that aired in syndication from 1971 to 2006. In its 35-year history, the show primarily featured performances by R&B, soul, and hip hop artists, although funk, jazz, disco, and gospel artists have also appeared. The series was created by Don Cornelius, who also served as its first host and executive producer.
Production was suspended following the 2005–06 season, with a rerun package (known as The Best of Soul Train) airing for two years after that. As a nod to Soul Train's longevity, the show's opening sequence (during later seasons) contained a claim that it was the "longest-running first-run, nationally syndicated program in television history," with over 1,100 episodes produced from the show's debut through the 2005-06 season.
Despite the production hiatus, Soul Train will continue to hold this honor until at least 2016, if and when its nearest competitor, Entertainment Tonight, completes its 35th season. (If ET does not complete a 35th season, Wheel of Fortune would pass in 2018 if it continues to air.)

The LONGEST-RUNNING MUSIC PROGRAM IN TELEVISION HISTORY (35 YEARS) beating American Bandstand (31 years) and "longest-running first-run, nationally syndicated program (of ANY kind) in television history," with over 1,100 episodes produced from the show's debut through the 2005-06 season.

Yet, Don Cornelius has NEVER won a GRAMMY LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD never receiver a Kennedy Center Honor, and is NOT in THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME !!!

He was the creator, writer, executive producer, and star of the program from it's inception...and continued in those other capacities long after he stopped hosting the show after 22 years !!!

So, not only are the ARTISTS of the "Soul Train Era" NOT getting inducted...neither is the show's creator / host !!

Posted by Bill G on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 16:26pm

http://www.bet.com/video/newsbriefs/betnewsspecial/don-cornelius-news-1.html

Fortunately , Don DID get his STAR on the Hollywood Walk of Fame before his death.

Posted by Bill G on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 16:33pm

Dub pioneer Lee Scratch Perry, The Upsetter, the Phil Spector of Reggae, is the most influential person in pop music history not in the Rock Hall, and should be placed in the Musical Excellence category in 2014.

That being said, I predict that among this year's inductees in the non-performing category will be Norman Whitfield & Barrett Strong. These guys wrote some of the greatest records Motown ever published. I Heard It Through the Grapevine! Papa Was a Rollin' Stone! Smiling Faces Sometimes! War! The Hall loves Motown, and won't pass an opportunity to perform these songs again.

Posted by The_Claw on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 16:55pm

It has been quite some time since I last posted on this page. In the interim, Future Rock Legends has posted their list of predicted nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2014. The artists listed therein are worthy of indyction; yet I do not believe all will be nominated. I am of the inference that Joan Jett will likely be inducted one day as a member of The Runaways, before being inducted on her own. For that, I could see The Runaways get nominated next month. Three artists listed as predicted nominees will, I believe, not be nominated at all. In short, these three have not yet been inducted into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project: getting inducted by us posters is phase one of a probable induction. To be specific on these three:

Paul Butterfield: possibly will not be nominated precicsely because of Jann Wenner's advocacy of the late blues artist. A Wenner advocacy is not as important as it once was.

De La Soul: A lack of public recognition over the years for their groundbreaking artistry is a situation that may not be rectified for a first ballot nomination. Plus, there are still people that feel bitter that De La Soul's Hit song "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss" sampled Spandau Ballet's only US hit "True". I find it stupefying: De La Soul is miles better than Spandau Ballet could ever be. Again, selective memory is cause for concernm, and is assuredly not bliss.

Joseph Hassiez (Joe Tex): The late R&B icon is now basically remembered second handedly. In other words, more people of aware of what Joseph Hassiez was to those who heard him then; yet they not bother to hear his records now. Getting inducted on expanded reputation alone does not mean an induction is much deserved. Exibit A is for me, first and foremost, Percy Sledge. I will say though that Joseph Hassiez had more talent than Percy Sledge has ever had.

In point of fact, I am not too certain whom I would predict will be the finalists for induction as performers this year. I can however make an inference as to who will likely be inducted for 2014 and the next couple years afterwards. So, taking a page from Cheesecrop's idea, here is whom I infer will be inducted as Performers for at least the next three induction ceremonies. Albeit, there is no clear headliner to pick. Anyway, here are the likely inductees.


2014

Peter Gabriel
Chic
Eurythmics
Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
Nirvana
N.W.A.
Deep Purple

2015

Nine Inch Nails
The Pixies
Yes
Linda Ronstadt
Whitney Houston
Green Day
Kraftwerk

2016

Alice In Chains
Blur
Depeche Mode
The Runaways
Smashing Pumpkins
Jane's Addiction
Janet Jackson

Now, there may very well be headscratching on some of these choices. Let it be known though that these artists have already been inducted into the Revisited/projected Rock Hall Project. In addition, I infer that Peter Gabriel will join Nirvana and N.W.A. as the third virtual lock for induction this year. Mark my words; this is goin to occur.

Well, those are my opinions and inferences on these matters. You know, it is a bit disheartening to look to our recent past when discussing good pop rock. I took notice of MTV's 30th annual Video Music Awards; a ceremony which matters less and less these days. Of the people there, I can only name 4 other artists besides Nile Rodgers and Daft Punk that are worthy of either the Rock Hall and/or our Revisited/Projected project: Lady Gaga, Kanye West, Justin Timberlake and Kendrick Lamarr. The rest are poseurs. Perhaps if MTV started showing Video Music again, the perception would change.

Shocking is not shocking any longer, just damn depressing,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 20:59pm

What?? No KISS again??? WTH!!! Most of the bands in the HOF were influenced by KISS. The HOF committee are a bunch dumbasses with a personal agenda.

Posted by Perman on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 21:58pm

Perman: The official nominations have yet to be announced. Take a deep breath and exhale. It will help bring your blood pressure down.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 23:04pm

Here are my picks for the 2014 Hall of Fame

Nirvana- need I say more?

Yes- "Roundabout" and "Yours is No Disgrace" are thier best songs in my opinion.

Paul Butterfield Blues Band- It's sad that Jann Wenner hates like this group because they are a great bluesly rock band.

Journey- An arena rock band that has been ignored long enough by The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominating committee.

De La Soul- One rap group that sounds much more relaxed then N.W.A. or Pubic Enemy.

Cab Calloway- A flamboyant swing bandleader and a gifted scat singer. He would be perfect for be the Early Influence.

Ella Fitzgerald- A unique vocalist mixing scat and jazz. Another candidate for Early Influence.

The Pixies- Alternative rock icons who mixed classical pop influences with roaring guitars.

Linda Ronstadt- The best interpreter among the 70s singer/songwriters.

Albert Collins- Early Influence candidate.

Steppenwolf- How could the Hall of Fame forget about one of the fathers of heavy metal?

Posted by Andrew on Tuesday, 08/27/2013 @ 23:43pm

"Most of the bands in the HOF were influenced by KISS."

That was hilarious. You really have no idea who is in the HoF, do you?

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 00:42am

FRL's prediction list lacks the male singer-songwriter slot. There's no Gram Parsons or Warren Zevon or Cat Stevens or Nick Drake. We all know it would be incredibly unlikely for someone from that group to NOT be nominated.

I could be wrong, but I feel it's basically giving up a point if you're shooting for a list that accommodates as many real nominees as possible.

I don't see the De La Soul nomination happening. They've always been just below the borderline when it comes to lists of Greatest Rap Acts and they're also just outside of Rock Hall Projected. Putting them on the ballot ahead of those still outside (Afrika and LL Cool J) would be absurd.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 02:50am

Casper- I generally like the FRL picks, but I agree with you on the lack of the predictable Male Singer/Songwrier pick. The only name that I would add as a contender to that spot that wasn't on your list is Lou Reed.

I also have a problem with the lack of a Post-punk nominee in a year that we've heard at least one Nom Com member state that catching up there is very much on the radar (and I know that Mr FRL doesn't have an anti bias there). I'd replace Yes with a post-punk act. We got a prog band last year. It's not an important enough genre to require a band a year with some of the Hall's other deficiencies.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 05:06am

You know, it is a bit disheartening to look to our recent past when discussing good pop rock. I took notice of MTV's 30th annual Video Music Awards; a ceremony which matters less and less these days. Of the people there, I can only name 4 other artists besides Nile Rodgers and Daft Punk that are worthy of either the Rock Hall and/or our Revisited/Projected project: Lady Gaga, Kanye West, Justin Timberlake and Kendrick Lamarr. The rest are poseurs. Perhaps if MTV started showing Video Music again, the perception would change.

Shocking is not shocking any longer, just damn depressing,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Tuesday, 08.27.13 @ 20:59pm
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Question: Are you sure those four really are worthy of any of this? I think it would be a disaster if those, ahem, "artists" got into the actual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Our project is ours (& whoever else chooses to jump in), so that's wide open.

Now if you were to question MTV, they'd tell you they Are running videos, which is true. They're just running them at times no one can watch. The other thing I'd note (regrettably) is, what makes you think that if they did start to show more videos, it wouldn't be more of the same thing? They'll just feed you more dance/R&B/hip-hop clips.

This is the reason why your last line, about how "shocking is not shocking anymore, just damn depressing", holds weight. I pointed this out when talking with Astrodog, & compared the Madonna/Britney/Christina "shock" kiss, to the real, unplanned incident involving Rage Against The Machine bassist Tim Commerford at the MTV Awards from 1999? 2000? (somewhere around there). MTV fears the real thing, cause it's producing television, a.k.a. "show business", & doesn't want anything like this showing up. In a movie, a calculated shock is acceptable, because we are being asked to suspend our imagination & live in a characters world. There is nothing more depressing than seeing this same thing brought to life, & being asked to believe it's "real".

The reason so much of this dubious art is so sad is that, on top of this, we are being asked to believe that this phoniness should serve as the backbone for "art". This in a nutshell is the hip-hop world of now, which is why I have made many disparaging remarks about it. I find this to be utterly ridiculous, & I have no intention of buying into this.

It's not that MTV is a joke, though it's hard to argue with anyone saying so. It's that an entire generation is growing up not knowing what it Could be, that is sad.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 06:11am

Out of this list of 2014 inductees, I would endorse the following: Procol Harum, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Yes, of course.

Oh yes, one more thing. After looking at the nomination predictions for last year, I had just realized that the list had 3 actual inductees on it, ironically 3 of the same artists that I had chosen as inductees a few months earlier. Of course, 4/5 of the names that I had voted for on the fan's ballot were inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame earlier this year (Randy Newman, Donna Summer, Heart and Rush). It's nice to see that my other choice from last year, Procol Harum, has returned to the ballot this year.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 08.27.13 @ 09:47am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 09:54am

Here is my post from June, 2012 about the 2013 inductees:

My list of 2013 inductees:

Donna Summer (posthumously)
Heart (two sisters who had dominated a band, whose great singles are still being played on the radio)
Rush (their long term snub is starting to reach critical mass, even Rolling Stone magazine readers are in favor of this. Rush was voted greatest prog rock of all time by their readers). They are ranked third in most consecutive gold and platinum albums behind The Beatles and The Rolling Stones.
Yes (IMHO, if you induct Rush, then you absolutely must induct Yes), but probably not necessarily in 2013.
Yes was instrumental in starting prog rock, plus 90125 was a danceable hit album.

I think that The Moody Blues deserve a nod also, for inventing the "prog rock" genre, but inducting Rush and Supertramp should push the Moodies and Procol Harum, in within the next several years. Compared to the amount of time that they have waited, this will be relatively soon. Technically, Rush is not really heavy metal, and most of their songs are not that hard anyway.

Although one could argue for King Crimson as well,
"ITCOCK," "Red" and "Discipline" are bonafide masterpieces.
Supertramp sold millions of albums, especially "Crime Of The Century" and "Breakfast In America." therefore they are the most likely prog band to get in this year.
Monkees (Davy Jones will be inducted posthumously)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 10:02am

Yes, I will admit that I am a progressive rock aficionado; I have been one since 1980, or did I become one when first introduced to "Hemispheres," in February, 1979.

My favorite bands presently are: Yes, Rush, Pink Floyd, Genesis, The Moody Blues, Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, ELP, Jefferson Airplane, Fleetwood Mac, Procol Harum, Alan Parsons Project, Supertramp, Kansas, Talking Heads and Styx.

My favorite solo artists are: Peter Gabriel, Sting and Stevie Nicks.

I also really like Cars, Roxy Music, Duran Duran, Asia, Heart, Andreas Vollenweider and Yanni.

I can accept the nominations of Dick Dale, SRV and others.

I am not an aficionado of "heavy metal," nor "rap."

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 10:11am

Cheesecrop: Kanye West is a lock for the Hall when he becomes eligible. While Justin Timberlake and Lady Gaga are on the path to being a lock. All three are popular with the public and are critical darlings. I really don't see that changing over the next 15 years.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 14:24pm

I'll give this a try. First off I'll start with the obvious: Chic and Nirvana and Joan Jett

Female Singer/Songwriters: (One of These) Carole King, Carly Simon, Joan Baez
Male Singer/Songwriters: (One of These) Cat Stevens, Gram Parsons, Warren Zevon
Hard Rock: (One of These) Deep Purple, KISS, Bon Jovi
Rap: De La Soul, N.W.A.
Prog: (Any of these): Moody Blues, Procol Harum, King Crimson, Yes
Pop: Whitney Houston OR Janet Jackson
Blues: Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Stevie Ray Vaughin OR Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Soul: (Any of These): The Spinners, The Marvelettes, Mary Wells, The Commodores
Left Field Picks: Emmylou Harris, Captain Beefheart, Patsy Cline, Kate Bush

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 14:49pm

Lax, Set Adrift On Memory Bliss was P.M. Dawn.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 15:26pm

"We've been posting our nomination/induction predictions, but pretend that you have complete sway over the Hall's decision for 2014. In other words, with seven slots for induction, the Class of 2014 is completely up to you (following the actual eligibility rules, of course). Which seven would you induct and why? You might approach this as just listing your seven biggest snubs, or from a different perspective. I'll post mine soon."--Dezmond

I'll do this two different ways: my personal 7 biggest snubs, and 7 snubs that will have the toughest time getting any traction. First, my personal 7 biggest snubs:

1. Stevie Ray Vaughan And Double Trouble
2. The Tokens
3. Chubby Checker
4. The Spinners
5. The Marvelettes
6. Buddy Knox And The Rhythm Orchids
7. KISS

And seven deserving (even if not THE most deserving) that have the toughest obstacles on their road to induction:

1. Pat Boone
2. Ted Nugent
3. The Big Bopper
4. Petra
5. Harold Melvin And The Blue Notes
6. Janet Jackson
7. Buchanan & Goodman

Very different lists to be sure. Btw, I really like FRL's picks for the ballot. About the most well-balanced picks I've seen yet.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 16:56pm

Cheesecrop: Kanye West is a lock for the Hall when he becomes eligible. While Justin Timberlake and Lady Gaga are on the path to being a lock. All three are popular with the public and are critical darlings. I really don't see that changing over the next 15 years.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.28.13 @ 14:24pm
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I did not deny that they will go in. Rather, I simply question whether they would really be worthy.

I will say that being popular with the public and being critical darlings doesn't guarantee induction. Look at the names who show up on this site all the time, who fit the mold & aren't in. In addition, who's to say who will be part of the voting board a decade from now. It's entirely possible that they are held back a while, if not shut out for many yrs.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 16:57pm

I don't know about the other two quite yet but I can say with certainty that Kanye West is an absolute lock for first ballot induction.

Posted by rockstar23 on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 17:33pm

really worthy?

cheese would you really deny GOD his rightful place in the hall?

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 17:53pm

How did I forget Joe South?!

My wish list, I know that just about all of these will pretty much never be nominated or inducted, ever, at least in my lifetime...

1 Electric Light Orchestra
2 Phil Collins
3 The Alan Parsons Project
4 The Doobie Brothers
5 Chicago
6 Three Dog Night
7 Foreigner
8 Bachman-Turner Overdrive
9 Journey
10 The J. Geils Band
11 The Spinners
12 The Cars
13 Joe South
14 Fanny
15 Don Covay & the Goodtimers

Novelty/oddball/wildcards/longshots

16 Buckner & Garcia
17 "Weird Al" Yankovic

Non-Performers

Casey Kasem
Don Arden

Early Influences

Andy Williams
The Four Aces

Side-Men

SuMagNa (Susan Collins, Marge Raymond & Nancy O'Neill)
Daryl Stuermer

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Wednesday, 08/28/2013 @ 19:55pm

#153 - Posted 4/20/13 @4:54AM by Enigmaticus [contact]

#136, That "so-called" bad behavior of talking while others are giving speeches does not seem to be typical of the Rush fan base. I have not attended a concert when Rush fans, at least here in Arizona, were not highly respectful of the band.

As far as the booing of Jann Wenner is concerned, that is absolutely abhorrent, highly disrespectful, intolerant behavior and is in very bad taste. I doubt very seriously if any actual Rush fans were involved in this fiasco; this is more likely the fan base of those individual acts who have still not been afforded this honor. Nonetheless, I had made the decision not to attend the ceremony, even though two of my all time favorite bands (Rush and Heart) had been inducted.

The 5 inductees that I had voted on for last year's fan ballot were the following: Rush, Heart, Randy Newman, Donna Summer and Procol Harum. Four of those acts have since been inducted.

If there is a fan ballot next year, my top choices will be for the following: Duran Duran, The Moody Blues, Carly Simon, Sade and E.L.O. It is interesting to note, that although I absolutely cherish Deep Purple's third album, "Deep Purple," especially the masterpieces, 'Blind' and 'April' and the late Jon Lord's masterful keyboard playing, it was still not enough to sway my votes in their favor.

The Moody Blues, although critically disfavored, are another one of my favorite bands and with the possible exceptions of a portion of "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour," "Octave" and "The Other Side Of Life," I still enjoy most of The Moody Blues entire catalog, so much so, in fact that if given the choice between selecting The Moody Blues, or Deep Purple for RRHOF induction, I will always endorse The Moody Blues.

Not unlike Rush, Duran Duran has been another unfairly maligned act. Once, the poster boys for a pre-pubescent and adolescent fan base, primarily composed of the female gender, Duran Duran has since the early 1980's started to become recognized for the masterful songwriting abilities of Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, Warren Cuccurullo and John Taylor and the great musicianship of the aforementioned individuals, in addition to previous members Andy Taylor, Warren Cuccurullo and
present member- Roger Taylor. In fact, John Taylor was recently chosen as best bassist, even over Geddy Lee. Duran Duran has another immense fan base and not unlike Rush, have been releasing some of their greatest work, as of late. Also, due to their art school background, Roxy Music and David Bowie influence and symphonic treatment used on various songs, Duran Duran is also another major "art rock" band.

Carly Simon once sang a song called 'Nobody Does It Better' and even though, she is not the composer of that particular song, most of her songs are masterpieces, to name but a few: 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' 'That's The Way I Always Heard It Should Be,' 'Jesse,' 'Haven't Got Time For The Pain,' 'The Right Thing To Do' and 'You Belong To Me.'

Helen Folasade Adu had incorporated jazz elements into her band. Having at least four consecutive masterpieces amongst her studio discography, is a major achievement for any artist. Of course, Rush has twelve but that is for another discussion. Nonetheless, such songs as: 'Smooth Operator,' 'Sweetest Taboo' and 'No Ordinary Love' as some of Sade's greatest work and as such is a very noteworthy accomplishment.

Jeff Lynne of E.L.O. had incorporated the "Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" stylings of The Beatles and had evolved them into noteworthy albums, such as the masterful "Eldorado" and various well known orchestral pop hits, such as 'Mr. Blue Sky,' 'Turn To Stone,' 'Strange Magic' and 'Livin' Thing,' amongst others.

Those are the five of the artists whom I plan to endorse for next year's Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 08/29/2013 @ 02:26am

I don't know about the other two quite yet but I can say with certainty that Kanye West is an absolute lock for first ballot induction.


Posted by rockstar23 on Wednesday, 08.28.13 @ 17:33pm

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really worthy?

cheese would you really deny GOD his rightful place in the hall?

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 08.28.13 @ 17:53pm
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1. He probably Will get in, though when the time comes, I recommend he bring his publicist & marketing team along for the ride.

2. If he was formerly Weezy, does this make him Wod?

And if so, how much of his money did it take to get that promotion?

In short, how much Wad does it take to become Wod?

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 08/29/2013 @ 06:31am

*Yeezus

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 08/29/2013 @ 06:50am

Is there any law that says that there will only be 15 nominees on the list, or 6 performers as inductees? If not, then 18 nominees might not be unreasonable.

I had asked this question earlier, "Will Rush's recent induction, forever change the way that the hall goes about doing business, or will things go back to the way that they were?

If Rush's induction had any lasting impact, then my list of nominees is not completely outrageous:

First of all, let's look at whom the members of Rush have publicly endorsed during this past year:

The Moody Blues
Yes
Deep Purple
King Crimson

and whom they were influenced by, that are not in the hall, according to classic albums:

Jethro Tull
King Crimson

Now, the ultimate question is: "Would the members of Rush endorse Duran Duran?"

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 08/30/2013 @ 09:09am

We tallied up everyone's predictions from here and elsewhere, and have come up with the consensus picks for the 2014 Nominees.

Everyone selected:
1. Nirvana
2. Deep Purple

Almost everyone picked:
3. Chic
4. N.W.A

About two-thirds picked:
5. Kraftwerk

About half:
6. The Marvelettes
7. Stevie Ray Vaughan
8. The Spinners
9. Yes
10. Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
11. LL Cool J

Less sure:
12. Gram Parsons
13. The Zombies
14. The Cure
15. KISS / The Paul Butterfield Blues Band (tie)

Last year, the consensus picks did about as well as anyone on this site. The above looks like a pretty plausible ballot.

Some other popular choices that weren't in the top 15: Procol Harum, Linda Ronstadt, War, Patsy Cline, Whitney Houston, Mary Wells, the Doobie Brothers and Cat Stevens.

Posted by FRL on Friday, 08/30/2013 @ 09:58am

Is there any law that says that there will only be 15 nominees on the list, or 6 performers as inductees? If not, then 18 nominees might not be unreasonable.

I had asked this question earlier, "Will Rush's recent induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame have any lasting impact, or will things go back to the way that the hall did things, prior to their induction?"

If it did have impact, will the members of Rush's endorsement of the following bands lead to a nomination later this year?

The Moody Blues
Yes
Deep Purple
King Crimson

and whom they were influenced by, that are not in the hall, nor on this list, according to classic albums?

Jethro Tull

Will the fact that Rush was according to Neil Peart, "... Rush were young enough to be influenced by them..."

Ultimately, lead to a nomination for those long neglected new wave bands?

Now, the ultimate question is: "Would the members of Rush
endorse the induction of Duran Duran into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame?"

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 08/30/2013 @ 09:58am

Had Ronstadt overdosed in 1982 you'd be canonizing her. Hall of Shame is a joke without her. She was doing it before Parsons and taught him a thing or two. Screw Jann Wenner and his cohorts. The Hall has created a schlocky cable TV environment for rock and roll. Even Mr. Cobain(great talent) must be vomitting in his grave.

Posted by Blaster on Saturday, 08/31/2013 @ 15:40pm

I really don't understand the Linda Ronstadt hype.

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 08/31/2013 @ 16:46pm

Ronstadt is the real deal. If you don't get it you must have your head up the arse of Springsteen like Dave Marsh. And I repeat Kurt Cobain, one of the last great rock and roll artists,would not attend the schlockfest that the awards show has become.

Posted by blaster on Saturday, 08/31/2013 @ 17:14pm

Ronstadt is the real deal. If you don't get it you must have your head up the arse of Springsteen like Dave Marsh. And I repeat Kurt Cobain, one of the last great rock and roll artists,would not attend the schlockfest that the awards show has become.

Posted by blaster on Saturday, 08/31/2013 @ 17:15pm

Link Wray. A Rock Hall ignoree since 1985...long overdue.

Posted by Greg Laxton on Saturday, 08/31/2013 @ 17:27pm

There are at least 30 bigger snubs then Linda Ronstadt.

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 08/31/2013 @ 17:56pm

Eric B and Rakim, Chic are not rock and roll, Deep Purple, Kiss and Iron Maiden need to be in inducted the rock and roll hall of fame is so clueless.

Posted by Paul on Saturday, 08/31/2013 @ 22:02pm

Paul: If Disco and Hip Hop aren't rock and roll then neither is Metal, so unfortunately no Iron Maiden. You're the one who is clueless.

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 08/31/2013 @ 23:33pm

September has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 03:56am

Thanks, Roy. I thought that's what my calendar said.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 04:44am

I have a feeling Link Wray, Dick Dale and the Spencer Davis Group will be nominated.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 05:18am

About the 2014 Nomination Predictions, Enigmaticus wrote:
   Is there any law that says that there will only be 15 nominees on the list, or 6 performers as inductees? If not, then 18 nominees might not be unreasonable.

I had asked this question earlier, "Will Rush's recent induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame have any lasting impact, or will things go back to the way that the hall did things, prior to their induction?"

If it did have impact, will the members of Rush's endorsement of the following bands lead to a nomination later this year?

The Moody Blues
Yes
Deep Purple
King Crimson

and whom they were influenced by, that are not in the hall, nor on this list, according to classic albums?

Jethro Tull
In Chapter X (New World Men) of "Rush: Beyond The Lighted Stage," Neil Peart had stated that, "... We all loved the music of that time period, we were young enough to be influenced by .... and we never said that doesn't suit Rush, those words have never been uttered."

Will this ultimately, lead to a nomination for those long neglected new wave bands, or "art rock" bands?

So now, the ultimate question becomes, "Would the members of Rush endorse the induction of Duran Duran into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame?"

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 07:33am

Let's re-examine those 18 nominees once again, shall we?

1. Yes: Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson have stated that "they were influenced by Yes," as were various members of Heart. Geddy Lee is in favor of their induction.

2. Deep Purple: Geddy Lee has stated that "neither Rush, nor Heart would sound the way that they do, without Deep Purple."

3. The Moody Blues: Alex Lifeson has stated that both "The Moody Blues and King Crimson had a huge influence," Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson and Ann Wilson of Heart have mentioned The Moody Blues.

4. Procol Harum: If Steven Van Zandt is behind their induction, ate they a big contender?

Analysis: Nominating at least four, or five progressive rock bands in the same year, could be quite interesting. Deep Purple had stiff competition against Rush, how would Deep Purple fare against The Moody Blues, Yes, or Duran Duran?

5. Duran Duran: Who would endorse their induction? How about the members of Rush, Elton John, Niles Rodgers, Lou Reed, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, etc. To name but a few?

6. Carly Simon? I would expect many of the previously inducted singer-songwriters to endorse her induction, as well as perhaps several present inductees who have previously been named?

7. The Doobie Brothers?

8. Foreigner? We know that David Wild would endorse their induction.

9. Jeff Lynne and/or The Electric Light Orchestra?

10. Nirvana is a shoe in.

11. Ice-T, or Queen Latifah?

12. Kraftwerk?

13. Blue Oyster Cult?

14. Judas Priest? This could prove interesting.

15. The Marvelettes, or Sade? Sade wrote her own songs, did The Marvelettes?

16. The Spinners?

17. Stevie Ray Vaughan? He's a blues legend. If he gets on this list, he should be an immediate inductee.

18. Chic? Is the 8th time, the charm, or will Duran Duran be their greatest competiton?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 08:12am

Enig, there is no hard and fast rule that says only 15 nominees, that's just how many they've had the past couple years, so that's what we're guessing. 18 is plausible, but if you honestly think there'll be four or five prog acts, and don't take this the wrong way, you're out of your gourd. The Moody Blues won't see a nomination until Procol Harum is in, imo. Quite frankly, I don't get what all the belief for Yes is about. I know there's a more concentrated push for them, but the NomCom is a bit like Honey Badger: they don't care. As far as they go, Yes is as plausible as Jethro Tull, as Emerson, Lake, And Palmer... you just don't know.

Nile Rodgers won't endorse Duran Duran getting in until he's in with Chic first.

Carly Simon and Foreigner haven't even been considered yet. That's not a dealbreaker, as the Marvelettes had never been considered until their nomination last year, or Donovan in 2010, but that makes them left field candidates, not smart bets.

As for Ice-T, Queen Latifah, Judas Priest, and Blue Oyster Cult....not anytime soon. Sorry, but no.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 10:20am

You seriously expect Ice-T and Queen Latifah, but not N.W.A.? Or Eric B & Rakim/De La Soul, for that matter?

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 10:56am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marvelettes

"15. The Marvelettes, or Sade? Sade wrote her own songs, did The Marvelettes?"

No, but The Marvelettes are far more legendary and influential. They are also very important to Motown History (They had the label's very first #1 Pop Hit...ever), and they were extremely influential, not only to Motown acts , but the entire "girl group" era and genre...continuing to chart long after that era had passed.

The Marvelettes' success eclipsed that of the Chantels, outlasted The Shirelles, and opened the doors for many "girl groups" that followed,including their very own label-mates, The Vandellas & The Supremes. They also influenced The Beatles and The Carpenters, BOTH of which covered their hit "Please Mr Postman". The group has received several honors, including the Vocal Group Hall of Fame and the Pioneer Award from the Rhythm and Blues Foundation.

I really don't see how you can pit or even compare one against the other: Sade has an extremely different musical style .

Marvelettes member Kathy Anderson-Schaffner co- wrote Gladys Knight & The Pips' big million-selling hit "I Don't Want To Do Wrong".

Posted by Bill G on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 11:14am

Duran Duran has never been considered either. It was probably the main reason why most of us picked The Cure as the representative for new wave and affiliated genres. Robert Smith & co. were nominated once, which means they have a big chane to be nominated again. Simon LeBon & the Taylors haven't even been discussed by the NomCom.

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 12:39pm

Thank you, Philip.

Duran Duran may not get a Hall endorsement from Nile Rodgers, but they could get a Hall nomination from the following acts: Blondie, David Bowie, Talking Heads, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Rush, Elton John, et cetera.

Nominating 5 progressive rock acts, although highly unlikely, could happen if there are 18 acts. Choosing more than 2 in any given year is improbable, although the Hall has been criticized for not including enough of them.

Of course, how many of you had thought that Rush would be inducted earlier this year?

Yes, Sade is a longshot, but isn't Procol Harum? Even if Steven Van Zandt is in favor of Procol Harum's induction. Of course, it would be interesting to see what would happen if The Moody Blues and Procol Harum were nominated at the same time, would it not?

Now, The Doobie Brothers could be an interesting nomination. Would the members of Steely Dan (Walter Becker and Donald Fagen) endorse them?

What about Jeff Lynne? He would get endorsements from Sir Paul McCarney, Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Steve Walsh and others. In addition to being the genius behind E.L.O., he wa also a member of The Travelling Willburies, alongside the late Roy Orbison and George Harrison. Plus, his "Mister Blue Sky" documentary is very noteworthy.

I agree that Yes, may get a nomination, but an induction is highly unlikely until 2015.

Duran Duran does fit the bill for induction, however, due to the following reasons:

1. They are considered a post punk act.
2. They are considered a "new wave" act.
3. Their music is influential.
4. You can dance to their music.
5. They appeal to fans of "art rock."
6. They are still active, making new albums.
7. They won that bay area poll earlier this year against 31 other snubbed bands.
8. Musicians like them. John Taylor recently won a poll where he was named best bassist.
9. They have longevity, how many of their peers are still around?
10. They are starting to get critical praise.
11. They are a very recognizable act with regards to charitable endeavors, they have already received praise from Bob Geldof, amongst others.
12. They have influenced current Hall Of Famers, in addition to future "Hall Of Famers."

Why Ice-T, or Queen Latifah over N.W.A.? For one thing, both are celebrities. Plus, Queen Latifah is a positive role model and a lady. How many female rap acts have thus far been inducted?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 15:49pm

I am sorry, I had meant Sir Paul McCartney, many apologies.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 15:52pm

Thank you, Philip.

Duran Duran may not get a Hall endorsement from Nile Rodgers, but they could get a Hall nomination from the following acts: Blondie, David Bowie, Talking Heads, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Rush, Elton John, et cetera.

Nominating 5 progressive rock acts, although highly unlikely, could happen if there are 18 acts. Choosing more than 2 in any given year is improbable, although the Hall has been criticized for not including enough of them.

Of course, how many of you had thought that Rush would be inducted earlier this year?

Yes, Sade is a longshot, but isn't Procol Harum? Even if Steven Van Zandt is in favor of Procol Harum's induction. Of course, it would be interesting to see what would happen if The Moody Blues and Procol Harum were nominated at the same time, would it not?

Now, The Doobie Brothers could be an interesting nomination. Would the members of Steely Dan (Walter Becker and Donald Fagen) endorse them?

What about Jeff Lynne? He would get endorsements from Sir Paul McCartney, Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Steve Walsh and others. In addition to being the genius behind E.L.O., he was also a member of The Travelling Wilbury's alongside the late Roy Orbison and George Harrison. Plus, his "Mister Blue Sky" documentary is very noteworthy.

Why Ice-T, or Queen Latifah over N.W.A.? For one thing, both are celebrities. Plus, Queen Latifah is a positive role model and a lady. How many female rap acts have thus far been inducted?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 16:01pm

Why Ice-T, or Queen Latifah over N.W.A.? For one thing, both are celebrities. Plus, Queen Latifah is a positive role model and a lady. How many female rap acts have thus far been inducted?
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Ah yes, because N.W.A. has no celebrities. I mean, Dr Dre? No one's ever heard of that guy!

Female rappers aren't that common anyway, or at least not popular ones. Thinking any rap act other than N.W.A. will get inducted this year is madness, they're one of the most influential acts in the genre.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 16:18pm

Since Rush is described as a hybrid of Cream, Led Zeppelin and King Crimson. Let's discuss King Crimson and it's offshoots, shall we?

Pete Townshend Of The Who had described "In The Court Of The Crimson King" as "... an uncanny masterpiece.."

Kurt Cobain, late singer of Nirvana was an aficionado of "Red."

King Crimson has several offshoots, which might eclipse their parent band:

Emerson, Lake & Palmer:

Formed by Greg Lake, formerly of King Crimson, Keith Emerson, formerly of The Nice and Carl Palmer, formerly of Atomic Rooster and The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown. ELP are considered "over the top" kings of bombast: rock + spectacle.

Bad Company:

Boz Burrell left King Crimson to join Paul Rodgers and Simon Kirke, formerly of Free and Mick Ralphs, formerly of Mott The Hoople. Bad Company had continued the blues tradition, Paul Rogers has a great voice and they wrote a lot of hit songs.

Foreigner:

Ian McDonald left King Crimson to join Dennis Eliott, formerly of IF, Mick Jones, formerly of Spooky Tooth, singer Lou Gramm, Ed Gagliardi and Al Greenwood to form the hit making hard rock band, Foreigner.

Asia:

John Wetton, formerly of King Crimson, joined Carl Emerson, formerly of ELP, Geoff Downes and Steve Howe to form "prog rock" supergroup, Asia, another hit making band.

Discipline, aka King Crimson

Robert Fripp reconvened King Crimson in 1981, with Bill Bruford, formerly of King Crimson and Yes, Tony Levin of Peter Gabriel and vocalist and guitarist extraordinaire, Adrian Belew. Three brilliant albums followed. Note: Robert Fripp had worked with Talking Heads on "Fear Of Music" and Adrian Belew had worked with Talking Heads on "Remain In Light," considered their finest album.

In the interim period prior to reconvening King Crimson, guitar legend Robert Fripp had also worked with Brian Eno, formerly of Roxy Music, Daryl Hall and David Bowie, amongst others.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 16:59pm

Yes you're right GFW, I had forgotten about Dr. Dre, then again how many of us would consider the Rock Hall nominations to always be logical?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 17:07pm

Not many, i'd hope.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 17:17pm

Can someone,anyone on your nominating committee explain to me why the Moody Blues are not in the rock and roll hall of fame yet! This is way past overdue. Check their record,how many platinum albums did they have? seems to me that their is a vendetta against them.

Posted by Art Wilson on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 18:03pm

Maybe try the Rock Hall's website. Nobody who matters is going to read this.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 18:26pm

Just Dre? NWA is possibly rap's Beatles. Dre, Easy-E, Ice Cube, even Ren and Yella to a lesser degree.

Queen Latifah being a lady. I said this to many a people, both newbies and respected fellow members: if that's a serious point of contention for you, you have not been paying attention to the Hall.

Bill G. I couldn't have said it better about the Marvelettes. Which is why I let you say it. Well put.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 19:53pm

Excuse me?

Posted by Jann Wenner on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 20:13pm

Thank you for analyzing the stats on this page, FRL! It's interesting, statistically, what this website's fans have picked so far, and of course, YOUR picks. Knowing the HOF nominating committee, it will probably look completely different from everyone's lists, or they may just stick with the old formula: 60% previously nominated nominees and 40% newbies. I hope I'm wrong :)

I'm actually shocked not a lot of people selected Kiss and Bon Jovi on their lists! Seems a lot of people are focused on more prog coming in than hard rock. Not to put anybody down....but let's not forget KISS. After all, now that Rush is in, they stand alone as arguably the most neglected band not in.

As for Bon Jovi, FRL had it right about him and that was one of the reasons why he made my predictions list (see above). I really hope to get him out of the way sometime soon. We all know its going to happen, since he is one of the 'Jersey boys' and he's pretty tight with several current HOFers. So why not now and get his nomination and induction overwith?

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 20:21pm

And by the way, thanks for re-tweeting Link Wray! I didn't even know he was still alive LOL. As we all know, he is one of several 50s acts that needs to get in. I wouldn't mind adding him to the predictions list

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 20:32pm

Alright I stand corrected....Link Wray is deceased. Just looked him up on Wikipedia. Still I think he deserves to get in sometime soon.

And Roy, you said it right about him!

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 21:53pm

"Bill G. I couldn't have said it better about the Marvelettes. Which is why I let you say it. Well put."

posted by Philip.

A COMPLIMENT ?? From YOU, Philip ?? I'm SHOCKED !!!

(also, by the way, Marvelettes lead singer, the late Gladys Horton, co-wrote the group's second Top 10 smash, "Playboy" .

Posted by Bill G on Sunday, 09/1/2013 @ 23:34pm

In a perfect world, this is what this year's ballot "would" look like:

01. Nirvana
02. Kraftwerk
03. Joy Division
04. The Smiths
05. Pixies
06. Roxy Music
07. The Cure
08. Sonic Youth
09. T. Rex
10. New Order
11. The Jam
12. Deep Purple
13. Björk
14. Kate Bush
15. Depeche Mode

Unfortunately, we live in anything but.

Posted by Justin on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 01:25am

Don't know why you're surprised Bill. I don't usually lay them out that obviously like that, but when you make a good point, I'm usually pretty free about it.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 01:26am

Justin that ballot is BEAUTIFUL.

Posted by GFW on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 11:39am

On the Rap artists being mentioned. I would be surprised to see Queen Latifah (who isn't eligible until next year) find a nomination before Salt N Pepa are inducted. And there are plenty of deserving female Rap acts outside of those two who should be considered. Although I doubt that any female rapper outside of Lauryn Hill, Salt N Pepa, Latifah, and Missy Elliott will ever get a nomination, much less inducted. Although I could be wrong. It would be wonderful to see MC Lyte, Roxanne Shante, Lil Kim, Foxy Brown, and Eve get nominations. Or even female inclusive Rap groups like The Funky Four Plus One. Although I think the ship is sailing for Old School Rap acts. As we move into the 1990s the competition and name recognition is going to be too great for them to contend with.


On N.W.A., they are a supergroup of the genre. But does the voting body know that? I doubt the ballot will list the names of members of the group. And the voting body tends to get criticized for not being familiar with the history of the acts they are evaluating. So while I feel comfortable saying NWA will get nominated and inducted this year, I can't say it is a sure fire bet. They could always be overlooked for another deserving act with name recognition, like LL Cool J. Although I don't know if he will appear on the ballot this year with De La Soul being now eligible. They are a perfect artist to be considered a "pet project". At least they are deserving, which is more than can be said for other "pet projects" that have been inducted.

On a completely different note. Does anyone think that singer-songwriter spot this year may actually go to Tracy Chapman? She hasn't been discussed that much on here. And while Graham Nash and Cat Stevens seem to be getting the mentions, the Hall does nominate a few new acts. Could she be a dark horse?

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 11:41am

"Maybe try the Rock Hall's website. Nobody who matters is going to read this."

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 09.1.13 @ 18:26pm

DarinRG,,

We never really know who will show up at this site, do we? This site is much more important than you think. I know that If I just so happened to be on the nomination committee, I would certainly spend time at this site, seeing whom other individuals are endorsing. I must admit that I have found this site intriguing for quite a long time.

I remember watching the dialogue unfold between Kit and Anonymous and other individuals about how Rush did not deserve induction until "... really good prog bands were in..."

I remember reading about how one individual argued that Rush was a third generation band. Really? Did they not realize that Rush was formed in 1968, not 1973?

Of course, there were many nasty, unforgivable things said that made it all the more entertaining, as well. I have a different opinion, as far as I am concerned this is the conduit to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, yet many of you do not know it.

A long time collegaue of mine has often wondered why it is so important for me to see certain maligned acts inducted into this exclusive country club for very wealthy musicians. I tell him that it's about making those musicians immortal, he eschews my efforts as "mental masturbation."

I have not had a proper vacation since 1988, when I had the opportunity to go on safari in Kenya. I have agreed to take a vacation, if and only if, I am able to make certain that those acts whom I have previously listed get into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame next year, then I will not feel guilty about finally taking a vacation.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 12:47pm

Once again, here is my list:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Carly Simon
4. Jeff Lynne and/or Electric Light Orchestra
5. Foreigner
6. The Doobie Brothers
7. Stevie Ray Vaughan
8. Nirvana
9. Sade
10. Yes
11. Deep Purple
12. Ice-T
13. Blue Oyster Cult
14. Judas Priest
15. Chic
16. Kraftwerk
17. The Spinners
18. The Marvelettes

Accordingly,

My 2015 nominees would be:

1. Roxy Music
2. Procol Harum
3. Carole King
4. Chicago
5. Hall & Oates
6. Green Day
7. Queen Latifah
8. Jethro Tull
9. Bad Company
10. Garth Brooks
11. Phish
12. Twisted Sister
13. Lemmy and/or Motorhead
14. Pat Benatar
15. The Cars

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 13:04pm

Justin, when Deep Purple and T. Rex are your bluesiest acts, I have trouble calling that ballot beautiful. Sorry. Normally I let people post their dream lists without saying much, but ugh. It's one of the narrowest visions of a ballot that I've seen.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 13:05pm

In a perfect world, this is what this year's ballot "would" look like:

Unfortunately, we live in anything but.

Posted by Justin on Monday, 09.2.13 @ 01:25am


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Yeah, in GFW's and your perfect world, not everybody else's.

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 13:18pm

You know the funny thing about my list is that until Rush was nominated last year and inducted this year, I would have never thought about it being even remotely plausible. However, I happen to believe that if Rush could be inducted, so too can those aforementioned artists. I remember reading one Duran Duran fan's comments. He said something along these lines, "... once Rush has been inducted, Duran Duran will be next..."

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 13:46pm

Enigmaticus - I don't doubt that members of the NomCom have visited the site, but they don't give a rat's ass what we do or say here. They have their own agendas. Some people seem to come here to vent, thinking that they're speaking to the people in charge and saying something that's never been said before. Incorrect in both cases.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 14:40pm

DarinRG,

I have no doubt that certain members of the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame nomination committee have their own agenda, but thinking that the people on that committee have no interest in what people say here on this website is patently absurd.

I strongly suggest that you take a look at this long archived webpage from a certain website before you make that determination:

http://reocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1254/exitstageleft.htm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 15:33pm

So, a Rush fanboy page is supposed to prove that the NomCom cares about the activities on FRL exactly how?

I've been on this site for years. None of our projects or comments have ever translated to the Rock Hall ballot.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 16:27pm

Uh, guys?

Posted by Jann Wenner on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 16:38pm

My dream ballot would look something like this:

1) The Cure
2) Link Wray and the Ray Men
3) Dick Dale and the Del-Tones
4) The Spinners
5) The Intruders*
6) The Marvelettes
7) Depeche Mode
8) Kraftwerk
9) The Runaways
10) Screamin' Jay Hawkins
11) Roxy Music
12) War
13) Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble
14) Jerry Butler
15) T. Rex

I think there should be three inductees into the Early Influence category; my choices would be Cab Calloway, Wynonie Harris, and Roy Brown (all of whom should have been inducted at least 20 years ago).

Don Cornelius should be honored in the Non-Performer category.

For the record, I know that more popular choices for nominees would be Nirvana, NWA, and Deep Purple, and while I won't argue against their being inducted, I refuse to buckle to popular opinion and list them just because almost everyone else is doing it. I'm not a contrarian for the sake of being one; however, I feel that there are some very important earlier acts that should go in ahead of more popular choices like Nirvana and Deep Purple (Kraftwerk, Link Wray, and Dick Dale come to mind immediately)

*Bill G, you've definitely convinced me of the merits of The Intruders. After reading up on them, I've officially added The Intruders to my snubs queue and will argue for their place in the Hall.

Posted by Zach on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 16:49pm

^ Zach,

FYI

For the record, Deep Purple's formation in 1968 predates Kraftwerk's in 1970 by 2 years and IF you count Organisation, their early years both date around 1967!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 17:02pm

True, Rick, and I certainly agree that Deep Purple is an unforgivable snub. I may not be a fan of theirs, but their credentials as hard rock/metal pioneers cannot be overlooked. You are indeed correct that both DP and KW began their careers around the same time. I apologize for the error.

However, Link Wray and Dick Dale predate both of them and thus rank higher on my snubs queue. I'm of the opinion that any Hall of Fame should begin with the earliest possible candidates, and then chronologically work their way from there. When the RRHOF began, they correctly started with 1950s artists, but as soon as their beloved mid-to-late 1960s acts became eligible, quite a few worthy 50s and early 60s acts got ignored and are still on the outside looking in (i.e., Johnny Burnette and the Rock 'N Roll Trio, Link Wray and the Ray Men, Screamin' Jay Hawkins, Dick Dale and the Del-Tones etc.). Their dismissal of the 1980s is well-documented and doesn't need further examination, but it is silly that The Smiths, The Cure, Duran Duran, New Order, Judas Priest, Depeche Mode, The Cars, and others are not in the Hall while less qualified '60s also-rans like Donovan, Neil Diamond, and Buffalo Springfield waltzed in with no dispute.

In a perfect world, the Hall would have operated like this:

1986-1993 - All important 1950s/early 60s acts are inducted

1994-2000 - All important mid-1960s-early 1970s acts are inducted

2001-2008 - All important mid-1970s-early 1980s acts are inducted

2009-Present - All mid-1980s-early 1990s acts are inducted

As I mentioned earlier, the Hall initially followed this route, but abandoned it in the 1990s and is currently in a huge mess. Chronological inductions make sense so that each era's giants can be enshrined without being left out and inducted 10 or more years after they became eligible. To continue with the Deep Purple/Kraftwerk example, both bands were eligible in 1993 and 1996 respectively and should have been inducted right away or at least a year after their respective eligibility.

I excpect that I will receive a mixed response on how I see how induction ceremonies should be arranged, but it simply makes more sense to do it chronologically and induct all the first-tier acts of each generation in order.

Posted by Zach on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 17:47pm

Thank you Jann,

Were you surprised that Neil Peart had quoted from Bob Dylan at that ceremon? By the way, I was very disappointed with the booing at the ceremony; I thought that it was very inappropriate.

Otherwise DarinRG,

Do you recognize this statement

My list of 2013 inductees:

Donna Summer (posthumously)
Heart (two sisters who had dominated a band, whose great singles are still being played on the radio)
Rush (their long term snub is starting to reach critical mass, even Rolling Stone magazine readers are in favor of this. Rush was voted greatest prog rock band of all time by their
readers). They are ranked third in most consecutive gold and
platinum albums behind The Beatles and The Rolling Stones.


Yes (IMHO, if you induct Rush, then you absolutely must
induct Yes), but probably not necessarily in 2013.
Yes was instrumental in starting prog rock, plus 90125 was a danceable hit album.

I think that The Moody Blues deserve a nod also, for inventing the "prog rock" genre.

Posted by Keith on Sunday, 06.10.12 @ 02:12am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 18:06pm

Thank you Jann,

Were you surprised that Neil Peart had quoted from Bob Dylan at this year's ceremony? By the way, I was very disappointed with the booing at the ceremony; I thought that it was very inappropriate. Little did those individuals realize that the blue guide awarded Rush five four star albums.

Otherwise DarinRG,

Do you recognize this statement?

My list of 2013 inductees:
Donna Summer (posthumously)

Heart (two sisters who had dominated a band, whose great
singles are still being played on the radio.

Rush (their long term snub is starting to reach critical mass,
even Rolling Stone magazine readers are in favor of this. Rush was voted greatest prog rock band of all time by their
readers). They are ranked third in most consecutive gold and
platinum albums behind The Beatles and The Rolling Stones.

Yes (IMHO, if you induct Rush, then you absolutely must
induct Yes), but probably not necessarily in 2013.
Yes was instrumental in starting prog rock, plus 90125 was a danceable hit album.

I think that The Moody Blues deserve a nod also, for inventing the "prog rock" genre.

Who do you think wrote that?

Posted by Keith on Sunday, 06.10.12 @ 02:12am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 18:20pm

FRL had accurately predicted 4 out of the 6 inductees and 7 out of the 15 nominees for last year. How is this possible?

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/2013_Nomination_Predictions.php

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 18:44pm

"FRL had accurately predicted 4 out of the 6 inductees and 7 out of the 15 nominees for last year. How is this possible?"

Because FRL understands how the NomCom and voting committees work through observation. He's been doing this a while. Many other longtime observers have equally impressive numbers every year. If I remember right, Greg F had a freakishly accurate ballot prediction last year and our former Rock Hall Revisited member Tom Lane nailed the inducted class with 100% accuracy in his blog. How did they do this? They've been observing the trends and behaviors for years and put their own personal biases aside. The NomCom certainly didn't base their ballot around Greg's predictions and the voting committee most certainly didn't vote based on Tom Lane's predictions.

"Thank you Jann,"

I'll just let that one speak for itself.

Still, as usual, you've veered off topic. You're rehashing past posts that are putting over your favorite acts, but you're not making a case that the NomCom cares about what happens on FRL. That's what you challenged me on, not whether or not you're a Rush fan.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 19:09pm

DarinRG,

I had not previously read Tom Lane's blog. Thank you for mentioning it; it is quite fascinating. As far as my being a Rush fanboy is concerned, no i am not really, but I am a progressive rock aficionado. No Rush fan would consider me to be one, due to the fact that I have only attended 3 Rush concerts in my life.

Of course, I was so fed up with hearing about Rush being described as a "heavy metal" group that I had to ensure that those opinions would be challenged, therefore I had created that website 16 years ago.

I will not deny that since 1998, I have certainly supported Rush's induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame however.
My ultimate goal was to see other acts enshrined additionally, namely Yes, The Moody Blues, King Crimson and Jethro Tull. I still think that Emerson, Lake & Palmer's induction is still quite a few years away. I think that the induction of Supertramp, Styx, Gentle Giant and Kansas is far more likely.

Unfortunately, I had been concentrating on other things, namely my job since 1999, as a result I had lost interest in supporting that site. In the interim period, the website had disappeared and then it was archived.

I felt that I was always rowing against the tide, until 2009 when "PROG" magazine had debuted. Of course, I have been unable to find the first issue; the only one that I do not currently own a copy of. In the meantime, I had found another avenue for debating about these issues, namely this site.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 21:44pm

Because FRL understands how the NomCom and voting committees work through observation. He's been doing this a while. Many other longtime observers have equally impressive numbers every year. If I remember right, Greg F had a freakishly accurate ballot prediction last year and our former Rock Hall Revisited member Tom Lane nailed the inducted class with 100% accuracy in his blog. How did they do this? They've been observing the trends and behaviors for years and put their own personal biases aside. The NomCom certainly didn't base their ballot around Greg's predictions and the voting committee most certainly didn't vote based on Tom Lane's predictions.

"Thank you Jann,"

I'll just let that one speak for itself.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 09.2.13 @ 19:09pm


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I've known exactly how the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame works with its political agendas for years now, since 1997, I for one just refuse to play this creep's game anymore!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 22:52pm

With the time it's been and how popular they were and still are - and how successful they've been I can't see Chicago being out any longer.

Chicago
Kiss
Deep Purple
War
The Cars
The Zombies

Michael McDonald - Side Man
Phil Ramone - Producer


That would be a pretty good class! But I doubt only 1 or 2 will be in...but of all of them - Chicago should be in...

Posted by jweber on Monday, 09/2/2013 @ 23:53pm

Oh, did I forget to mention wanting to see Genesis inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame?

Well, although I do thoroughly enjoy "Nursery Cryme," "Foxtrot," "A Trick Of The Tail," "Second's Out" and "Duke," I have never really liked "Selling England By The Pound," except perhaps, for 'Firth Of Fifth,' 'I Know What I Like' and 'Dancing With The Moonlit Knight.' I like most of "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway," with the exceptions of 'Back In NYC' and 'Counting Out Time.' I am indifferent towards "The Wind & The Wuthering" and "And Then There Were Three." I like quite a few songs on "Abacab" and "Genesis." I like a few songs on "Invisible Touch" and "We Can't Dance." I have never heard "Calling All Stations."

As far as Peter Gabriel's solo career is concerned, I thoroughly enjoy "Melt," "Security," "So" and "Plays Live." I also think that "Scratching My Back" and "New Blood" are quite interesting.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 09/3/2013 @ 00:45am

Genesis were inducted. Peter Gabriel should be next. I'm more biased towards Phil Collins but I fear mentioning him would bring all kinds of "oh please" retorts lol

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 09/3/2013 @ 00:55am

I'm more biased towards Phil Collins but I fear mentioning him would bring all kinds of "oh please" retorts lol

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 09.3.13 @ 00:55am


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So am I, you will never here that from me or Cheesecrop, jritchey, Lax30 and GFW to name a few.

No Jacket Required, Hello, I Must Be Going! and Face Value are a trilogy, Invisible Touch, Genesis, Abacab and We Can't Dance are a quadrilogy.

Genesis with Phil Collins as frontman and solo are 2nd only to Electric Light Orchestra as my all-time favorites.

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Tuesday, 09/3/2013 @ 01:12am

As far as Peter Gabriel's solo career is concerned, I thoroughly enjoy "Melt," "Security," "So" and "Plays Live." I also think that "Scratching My Back" and "New Blood" are quite interesting.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 09.3.13 @ 00:45am


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1986's So is his best album by far, my all-time favorite Peter Gabriel solo songs are "Big Time", "Sledgehammer", "Steam", "Shock the Monkey", "Solsbury Hill" and "Games Without Frontiers".

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Tuesday, 09/3/2013 @ 01:17am

Yes Tim, I know that Genesis was inducted back in March, 2010. They were inducted by Phish. I had watched the induction ceremony on YouTube. My comment was referring to the website that I had previously created, back in 1998.

By the way, I would support either Peter Gabriel or Phil Collins being inducted as solo artists.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 09/3/2013 @ 01:21am

Here are my picks for the 2014 Hall of Fame:

Nirvana- need I say more?

Yes- "Roundabout" and "Yours is No Disgrace" are thier best songs in my opinion.

Paul Butterfield Blues Band- It's sad that Jann Wenner hates like this group because they are a great bluesly rock band.

Journey- An arena rock band that has been ignored long enough by The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominating committee.

De La Soul- One rap group that sounds much more relaxed then N.W.A. or Pubic Enemy.

Cab Calloway- A flamboyant swing bandleader and a gifted scat singer. He would be perfect for be the Early Influence.

Ella Fitzgerald- A unique vocalist mixing scat and jazz. Another candidate for Early Influence.

The Pixies- Alternative rock icons who mixed classical pop influences with roaring guitars.

Linda Ronstadt- The best interpreter among the 70s singer/songwriters.

Albert Collins- Early Influence candidate.

Steppenwolf- How could the Hall of Fame forget about one of the fathers of heavy metal?

Deep Purple would a nice group to get in this year too

So Zach, what do you think about my list of nominees?

Even through we share a lot in common with our tastes in music, there is other styles of music that I really like such as folk and roots rock that you don’t care for, but as you always say, music is like ice cream because it has different flavors and not everyone has to like it.

Out of all the people that I’ve met on Future Rock Legends, you were the first one to open up to me when I started posting comments on Little Richard, Sam Cooke, Ray Charles and Jerry Lee Lewis and you stood by me when Lax30 gave me all that crap about my list. You have been a wonderful friend to me and I'm truly blessed to have you in my musical life. Long live 50s rock and roll!


Lastly, I still havn't seen "Ray", but I intend to see it soon. Two other rock and roll films that I want to see are "The Buddy Holly Story" and "La Bomba."

Posted by Andrew on Tuesday, 09/3/2013 @ 02:54am

Who would be the biggest surprise on this year's ballot?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09/3/2013 @ 06:33am

In a perfect world, the Hall would have operated like this:

1986-1993 - All important 1950s/early 60s acts are inducted

1994-2000 - All important mid-1960s-early 1970s acts are inducted

2001-2008 - All important mid-1970s-early 1980s acts are inducted

2009-Present - All mid-1980s-early 1990s acts are inducted

Posted by Zach on Monday, 09.2.13 @ 17:47pm
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This IS the model they should've followed!

The real problem there is not the model, but rather that they did not continue with the expanded ballots they utilized in the first two years. Had they continued to induct that extra two or three acts, they could've kept pace with this set-up.

I've never been a fan of chronological order, but with an expanded ballot, you could've allowed for instant first-ballot inductees to make it in, & stuck by your timetable, and it would've stayed roughly on track.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 09/3/2013 @ 06:42am

Who would be the biggest surprise on this year's ballot?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.3.13 @ 06:33am
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Andrew nailed it when he mentioned Steppenwolf. Completely out of left field, never mentioned at all anymore, but with a catalog that's solid, & some (quasi) influence.

It would be a complete and total surprise if they showed up on the ballot this yr. (or any year from now on, for that matter).

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 09/3/2013 @ 06:47am

Chicago
Deep Purple
KISS
Public Enemy inducting 2 bands they sampled from, Slayer and Anthrax.
Jethro Tull
Albert King inducting SRV in a remembrance package
Motorhead
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest

There you go.

Posted by Hunter Morrow on Tuesday, 09/3/2013 @ 08:26am

I just thought I would make a quick post in defense of Linda Ronstadt, her career, the hype that surrounds her, and why she is one of the more substantial snubs in the Hall's backlog of artists.

To be fair I am not a huge Linda Ronstadt fan. But I do recognize talent and career achievements in those artists that deserve it.

The fact she hasn't received a nomination yet does point to a sexist theme that seems to run through the hall. But in all honesty her big hurdle to get over is the same one acts like Kiss, Chicago, and Foreigner face. She is/was just too popular of a mainstream act to ever get recognized as a gifted performer. The odd thing about that is, the Hall rewards popular artists. Some may try and establish an argument against that point. But it just isn't true. Popular acts, across decades and styles get in. In fact the majority of the acts are massively popular in some way or another (Sales or Chart Performance). That isn't to say every major popular act has been enshrined. But it does seem to be an overall go to for criteria (with a few massively influential acts as the exceptions)

Ronstadt has popularity down. She is among the most popular acts of all time across multiple standards of measuring those achievements (Singles, Albums, Career Longevity, etc...). When you move past that however and look at something like raw talent (Which can be a heated topic), you do have to recognize her vocal ability. She is as versatile as a singer can be, maybe the most versatile in stylistic choice period. A large range, what seems to be perfect pitch, and an emotional singer. The only thing that might work against her is compared to the other women in the hall her tone is a bit straight-forward. She doesn't have the vocal "prowess" of an Aretha or Gladys, and isn't as unique as Janis or Stevie. But she is in that caliber of singer.

The committee may view her as a sinner, considering her more mainstream Pop oriented blend of Country Rock. But incredibly Popular artists tend to draw attention to the more niche residents of a style. Heart Like A Wheel is one of the greater albums of the 70s, and she had a string of them in the decade. For people around that early to mid 70s she was the face of females in Rock'N'Roll. Franklin is undeniably the queen before her, and large group of ladies were fighting for that crown after, but for a time Ronstadt was the big female on the block. Not to mention her covers of Buddy Holly songs helped to bring him to a broader audience. And truly helped to give him that distinction of being a great contributor to the American songbook.

She went off on strange musical journeys in the 80s and 90s, and that may hurt her. Especially when you consider how outside of the Rock field she actually traveled. But she is one of the most memorable acts of the Country Rock movement, one of the most stylistically diverse singers, and in her own ways a trailblazer for what women singers could do.

I don't think she is the biggest snub for the Hall, yet. But she is among that group of artists who should have been in before others were inducted. Her Parkinson's diagnosis, and what that means for her voice, are really a clear signal that these great 70s acts are aging and need to be evaluated correctly. Donna Summer died before the Hall came to it's senses. That is one of the darker moments for the Rock Hall. Hopefully Ronstadt is in there while she can still enjoy what it means.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 09/3/2013 @ 17:51pm

To me, the biggest surprise would be any left-field pick from the NomCom committee. As I said above, I'm sure they'll stick to the 60% already nominated, 40% newly nominated formula.

Answering Roy's question: Nick Drake or any 50's act.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 09/4/2013 @ 00:08am

Addendums and Sidemen for induction in 2014

Wings
The Wailers
The Belmonts
The Jordanaires
The Funk Brothers
The Mothers of Invention
The Silver Bullet Band
The E Street Band
The Revolution
Double Trouble

Non-Performer Nominees

Willie Mitchell, Bernie Lowe, John Simon, Arif Mardin, Phil Ramone, Richard Barrett, Robert Blackwell, Rudy Toombs, Bob Crewe, David Porter, Bernie Taupin, David Foster, Jim Steinman, Carole Bayer Sager, Diane Warren, Wolfman Jack, Casey Kasem, Don Cornelius, Tommy Mottola

Kal Mann and Dave Appell
Bert Berns and Jerry Ragovoy
Norman Whitfield and Barret Strong
Burt Bacharach and Hal David
Henry Cosby and Sylvia Moy
Thom Bell and Linda Creed
Boudleaux and Felice Bryant
Nick Ashford and Valerie Simpson

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09/4/2013 @ 19:42pm

i wouldn't be surprised if linda ronstadt was nominated fo 2014

Posted by chris on Thursday, 09/5/2013 @ 09:02am

I'm going to revised my predictions sp here is my new list for the 2014 ballot:

Nirvana
Chic
N.W.A.
Deep Purple
The Spinners
Kraftwerk
Stevie Ray Vaughn (and Double Trouble)
Procol Harum
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
Linda Ronstadt
Yes
The Cure
Link Wray
De La Soul
Cat Stevens

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 09/5/2013 @ 19:14pm

Thank you for saying that I nailed it when I put Steppenwolf on my list of nominees, Cheesecrop.

Looking back on the RRHOF inductions, they've inducted Black Sabbath, The Yardbirds, The Kinks, Rush, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, Metallica, Cream, Alice Cooper, The Jimi Hendrix Experience and The Who and somehow, the "experts" have forgotten to induct Blue Cheer, Iron Butterfly, Mountian, and Steppenwolf.

It really makes me mad when a band like Steppenwolf is pasted up. Not only did they help pioneer heavy metal, but they also wrote and sang some of the best songs of the 60s.

While everyone knows "Born To Be
Wild," "Monster/Suicide/America," and "Drift Resister" are by far their best songs. I hoping that within the next few years, The Hall of Fame will induct Steppenwolf.

Lastly, have you taken a look a my song picks for a Disney film on the Song Project page?

Posted by Andrew on Friday, 09/6/2013 @ 02:20am

the "experts" have forgotten to induct Blue Cheer, Iron Butterfly, Mountain, and Steppenwolf

Posted by Andrew on Friday, 09.6.13 @ 02:20am
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Steppenwolf is the only one out of the four who'll receive consideration for induction, though you're right about all four. In another rock universe, all these gents made the Hall.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 09/6/2013 @ 06:03am

Dream Ballot

01. Chicago
02. Blood, Sweat & Tears
03. Kool & the Gang
04. The Commodores
05. The Moody Blues
06. King Crimson
07. Jethro Tull
08. Deep Purple
09. Emerson, Lake and Palmer
10. The Doobie Brothers
11. Yes
12. Kiss
13. Chic
14. Hall & Oates
15. Joy Division/New Order

Posted by Roy on Friday, 09/6/2013 @ 06:36am

the grass roots belong in first,followed by paul reverre and the raiders, then the doobie brothers. i dont agree with many of your picks, i have fair legal use of deadpal al, the mad magazine guy. i have renamed the band chicago,springsteen ,joel as al, the alfred e neuman e neuman band. the rock hall has too many musicians who do not belong in. i send the al material with school counselor applications. id follow my first 3 with linda rondstant,the fifth dimesnsion,america.

Posted by johnjarvis on Friday, 09/6/2013 @ 12:16pm

u wot m8

Posted by GFW on Friday, 09/6/2013 @ 13:17pm

Double Trouble can't be an addendum for 2014 since SRV isn't in yet. They haven't inducted the frontman, they won't induct the group.

Btw, RHM has their (my) predictions up.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 09/6/2013 @ 17:46pm

Hs anyone mentioned 'The Genius' Warren Zevon?
Others on my list are ELO, Chicago, Moody Blues, Linda Ronstadt and Peter Gabriel.

Posted by joenamherst on Saturday, 09/7/2013 @ 13:05pm

I like Roy's dream ballot a lot also. Kudos to choosing many great acts also, joeamherst.

Once again, here is my list:

Once again, here is my list:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Carly Simon
4. Jeff Lynne and/or Electric Light Orchestra
5. Foreigner
6. The Doobie Brothers
7. Stevie Ray Vaughan
8. Nirvana
9. Sade
10. Yes
11. Deep Purple
12. Ice-T
13. Blue Oyster Cult
14. Judas Priest
15. Chic
16. Kraftwerk
17. The Spinners
18. The Marvelettes

Accordingly,

My 2015 nominees would be:

1. Roxy Music
2. Procol Harum
3. Carole King
4. Chicago
5. Hall & Oates
6. Green Day
7. Queen Latifah
8. Jethro Tull
9. Bad Company
10. Garth Brooks
11. Phish
12. Twisted Sister
13. Lemmy and/or Motorhead
14. Pat Benatar
15. The Cars
16. Peter Gabriel
17. Brian Eno
18. Sting

I would add Peter Gabriel to my 2015 list of nominees also, by the way.

In a perfect world, my lists would be slightly different, of course:

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/7/2013 @ 14:13pm

Just now watched a replay on the RRHOF induction ceremony on HBO and after watching Dave Grohl induct Rush, I just happen to think: Who will induct Nirvana next year?

Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 09/7/2013 @ 14:30pm

Yes, the members of Rush would be a good choice, but if Duran Duran and The Moody Blues were inducted also, the members of Rush would be hard pressed to induct 3 acts. ;-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/7/2013 @ 16:03pm

Just now watched a replay on the RRHOF induction ceremony on HBO and after watching Dave Grohl induct Rush, I just happen to think: Who will induct Nirvana next year?

Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 14:30pm

Eddie Vedder or Paul McCartney

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 09/7/2013 @ 16:22pm

On the induction of Nirvana. I would be happy to see Vedder do the tribute. But I am leaning towards someone more like Iggy Pop or Neil Young.

Posted by Chris F, on Saturday, 09/7/2013 @ 16:33pm

50 Years Later: Voices of the March on Washington. I think Joan Baez will be nominated soon.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 09/9/2013 @ 06:43am

Has anyone heard any news yet on what day the Nominating Committee is gonna meet?

And in regards to Roy's last post, I'm surprised that Joan Baez has never been nominated in all of these years. Haven't heard any buzz for her being nominated, but she would make a good "left-field" pick for sure.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 09/9/2013 @ 10:10am

yes, when will it be announced or leaked as people would call it?

Posted by chris on Monday, 09/9/2013 @ 12:08pm

My Updated and Final Predictions
Nominees for the 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

15 of the following 20 will be chosen

Artists who were mentioned on the Rock Hall's website this year

01. Patsy Cline
02. Dionne Warwick
03. The Zombies
04. Yes
05. Joan Baez
06. Peter, Paul and Mary

OTHERS

07. Mary Wells (Motown inductees want her nominated)
08. The Marvelettes (Motown inductees want them nominated)
09. Linda Ronstadt (The Eagles want her inducted)
10. Gram Parsons
11. Deep Purple
12. The Monkees (Davey Jones died recently)
13. Jan and Dean (Name dropped three times in the past three years; Lou Adler wants them inducted)
14. KISS
15. The Moody Blues
16. Chic
17. Chicago (Obama is president)
18. Nirvana
19. Stevie Ray Vaughan
20. N.W.A

Posted by Roy on Monday, 09/9/2013 @ 22:36pm

anybody know when they will annouce the list or any leaks?

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 09/11/2013 @ 12:16pm

Late September, early October.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09/11/2013 @ 12:35pm

late September most likely since it happened last year in late september

Posted by chris on Thursday, 09/12/2013 @ 10:40am

Leftfield choice to induct Nirvana would Jay-Z. He sampled Nirvana in his most recent album and he has talked in lengh his love of the band and Kurt.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 09/12/2013 @ 11:33am

Actually last year they announced it during the first week of October. I really hope they don't wait that long again, let alone making it a new thing. If they do, this nomination list betta be good!

Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 09/12/2013 @ 13:28pm

2014 Rock Hall Class - Fine Fifteen

Chic
The Cure
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Gram Parsons
N.W.A
Chicago
Yes
Deep Purple
Kraftwerk
Kinda Ronstadt
ELO
Sonic Youth
Nirvana
Kiss
Duran Duran

Inductees:

Chic - They'll get lucky this year

Nirvana - Duh. Clears path for future noms like the Pixies, Jane's, Pearl Jam etc

The Cure - This year's Red Hots/Beasties: alt-rock giants getting the nod after a couple attempts. next up, smith/depeche. Joy Division/New Order?

Linda Ronstadt - Recent Parkinson's announcement will move hall to award her the singer-songwriter slot

N.W.A. - Fun to see Dre and Cube in the superjam. Who'll induct them? Chuck D? RIP EZ

Stevie Ray Vaughn - This year's Rush, first-time nominee who'll bring out the mad fanboys. Can't understate how pivotal SRV was in bringing the blues to whole new generation. Gen X's slowhand, helped put Austin on the map. And Double Trouble as the house band to boot

Deep Purple/Kiss/Chicago/Yes - One will occupy the third classic rock slot. Lots of Deep Purple sentiment - Dave Grohl would love it. Yes lords over prog rock. But both Chicago and Kiss have gone over 100 million records globally. Toss up!

Posted by VJC on Thursday, 09/12/2013 @ 14:26pm

About the 2014 Nomination Predictions, Enigmaticus wrote:
   Is there any law that says that there will only be 15 nominees on the list, or 6 performers as inductees? If not, then 18 nominees might not be unreasonable.

I had asked this question earlier, "Will Rush's recent induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame have any lasting impact, or will things go back to the way that the hall did things, prior to their induction?"

If it did have impact, will the members of Rush's endorsement of the following bands lead to a nomination later this year?

The Moody Blues
Yes
Deep Purple
King Crimson

and whom they were influenced by, that are not in the hall, nor on this list, according to classic albums?

Jethro Tull
In Chapter X (New World Men) of "Rush: Beyond The Lighted Stage," Neil Peart had stated that, "... We all loved the music of that time period, we were young enough to be influenced by .... and we never said that doesn't suit Rush, those words have never been uttered."

Will this ultimately, lead to a nomination for those long neglected new wave bands, or "art rock" bands?

So now, the ultimate question becomes, "Would the members of Rush endorse the induction of Duran Duran into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame?"

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 09/13/2013 @ 06:21am

I like Roy's dream ballot a lot also. Kudos to choosing many great acts also, joeamherst.

Once again, here is my list:

Once again, here is my list:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Carly Simon
4. Jeff Lynne and/or Electric Light Orchestra
5. Foreigner
6. The Doobie Brothers
7. Stevie Ray Vaughan
8. Nirvana
9. Sade
10. Yes
11. Deep Purple
12. Ice-T
13. Blue Oyster Cult
14. Judas Priest
15. Chic
16. Kraftwerk
17. The Spinners
18. The Marvelettes

Accordingly,

My 2015 nominees would be:

1. Roxy Music
2. Procol Harum
3. Carole King
4. Chicago
5. Hall & Oates
6. Green Day
7. Queen Latifah
8. Jethro Tull
9. Bad Company
10. Garth Brooks
11. Phish
12. Twisted Sister
13. Lemmy and/or Motorhead
14. Pat Benatar
15. The Cars
16. Peter Gabriel
17. Brian Eno
18. Sting

I would add Peter Gabriel to my 2015 list of nominees also, by the way.

In a perfect world, my lists would be slightly different, of course:
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 14:13pm

Posted by E igmaticus on Friday, 09/13/2013 @ 06:32am

that would suck if they announce it that late in october

Posted by chris on Friday, 09/13/2013 @ 12:13pm

I had written this post several months ago.

Given, that only 6-7 acts are inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame each year, here are my top 7 picks for induction for 2014- 2018.

2014

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Carly Simon
4. Sade
5. Doobie Brothers
6. Jeff Lynne and/or E.L.O.
7. Nirvana

2015

1. Yes
2. Deep Purple
3. Carole King
4. Chicago
5. Hall & Oates
6. The Cars
7. Styx

2016

1. Jethro Tull
2. Roxy Music
3. Chic
4. Pat Benatar
5. Stevie Nicks
6. Depeche Mode
7. Judas Priest

2017

1. Supertramp
2. Pearl Jam
3. Peter Gabriel
4. Procol Harum
5. King Crimson
6. The Cure
7. XTC

2018

1. Soundgarden
2. Iron Maiden
3. Dream Theater
4. Marillion
5. Mariah Carey
6. Kansas
7. Devo

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04.6.13 @ 13:29pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/14/2013 @ 15:12pm

Since September 12 was the 61st birthday of Neil Peart, I had thought that it was only appropriate to mention a little about the lyrical magnificence of Rush:

Over the past four decades, Rush has written several great songs which have tackled such issues as: religion, society, modernity, teen suicide, individualism and of course, love and relationships, in addition to mythology.

A few other great lyricists include: Justin Hayward of The
Moody Blues and Simon Le Bon of Duran Duran. When I listen to a song one of the key components of whether I like an artist or not, depends not only upon the musical magnificence, but the lyrical magnificence, as well.

That is one of the primary reasons that I have continued to endorse the following artists for induction in 2014:

Those are certainly interesting choices, Cheesecrop. I am still standing behind my inductee lists for 2014 & 2015, however. Of course, popularity has a tendency to override influence occasionally. However, it would be a huge travesty if The Moody Blues had to wait an additional year. In 2014, only two remaining members of The Moody Blues will not be over age 70: Justin Hayward & John Lodge. Since, The Moody Blues had influenced Rush and perhaps quite a few other bands, they definitely deserve to be inducted first. If I had my
choice, I would also induct Procol Harum along with The
Moody Blues, but that might be too much prog for the hall to
accept all at once.

I agree that Roxy Music should get in also, but their work is probably not as familiar overall, as perhaps their disciples, Duran Duran.

As of late, Duran Duran has been experiencing a renaissance of sorts, plus Classic Albums had chosen to profile, "Rio." Is there a classic rock artist whom Classic Albums has profiled that is not in, or on their way to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? Neil Peart had said in "Beyond The Lighted Stage" that "We were young enough to be influenced by them..." Who do you think that Neil Peart was referring to?

In another interview, Geddy Lee had said that Duran Duran was a good band and in yet another interview, Geddy had said that Alex Lifeson had wanted to dress like Simon LeBon.
Duran Duran's very clever, 'Girl Panic' video is another work
of art. Duran Duran is also becoming more progressive, the
inclusion of string sections to support their songs has become
more evident as of late. Rush has incorporated string sections
to support their songs since the mid 1980's and their brilliant
albums, "Power Windows" and "Clockwork Angels" attest to
that fact. Duran Duran had made state of the art videos to
support their songs, their music is arty, but danceable and
they have endured for over 30 years. I do agree that Roxy
Music and Brian Eno deserve to get in, because "Avalon" will
probably be known arguably, as Roxy Music's greatest work, but Duran Duran had started where Roxy Music peaked and then had simply become better and better.

Carly Simon is long overdue for induction, 'You're
So Vain' and 'Anticipation' are just a few of her self penned
songs which have become classics.

Can you name less than one brilliant album by Sade?

The Electric Light Orchestra had married rock & roll to
classical instrumentation, plus their founder Jeff Lynne has been quite active lately.

The Doobie Brothers have written many classic tunes which are still in constant rotation on the radio.

The same thing is true of Foreigner, plus Mick Jones and Lou Gramm were recently inducted into the Songwriter's Hall Of Fame.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05.6.13 @ 09:45am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/14/2013 @ 15:55pm

John Coltrane
Joan Baez
Nirvana
Deep Purple
Gram Parsons
The Smiths
Roxy Music
KISS
N.W.A.
Kraftwerk
Chic
Iron Maiden
Willie Nelson
Lee "Scratch" Perry
The Runaways

Non Performer:
Brian Eno (but he'd probably be inducted as a performer, as he kinda should be, but this might get him in)

Also notable:
Duran Duran
The Cure
The Carpenters
King Crimson
Peter Tosh
Judas Priest
Devo

Also, does anyone think Cheap Trick should be inducted? Rolling Stone had a list of artists/bands voted to be inducted by readers and Cheap Trick was ranked as number 3. In my opinion, no. At least not for a long, long time. Side by side induction with Jay-Z maybe?

Posted by Kekman Jones on Sunday, 09/15/2013 @ 14:34pm

John Coltrane
Joan Baez
Nirvana
Deep Purple
Gram Parsons
The Smiths
Roxy Music
KISS
N.W.A.
Kraftwerk
Chic
Iron Maiden
Willie Nelson
Lee "Scratch" Perry
The Runaways

Non Performer:
Brian Eno (but he'd probably be inducted as a performer, as he kinda should be, but this might get him in)

Also notable:
Duran Duran
The Cure
The Carpenters
King Crimson
Peter Tosh
Judas Priest
Devo

Also, does anyone think Cheap Trick should be inducted? Rolling Stone had a list of artists/bands voted to be inducted by readers and Cheap Trick was ranked as number 3. In my opinion, no. At least not for a long, long time. Side by side induction with Jay-Z maybe?

Posted by Kekman Jones on Sunday, 09/15/2013 @ 14:34pm

I believe Cheap Trick should be inducted for best rock group they have been over looked way to long time to acknowledge honor and celebrate these Rock Legends

Posted by Patricia Ceniceros on Monday, 09/16/2013 @ 02:43am

I believe it will be announced in the end of September just for the simple fact that it won't let it drag on and make people wait for the inductee list to come out during the early goings of october

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 09/17/2013 @ 10:49am

would there be any surprises that could come out during the nominations, if so, who and why would it be a surprise?

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 09/18/2013 @ 12:23pm

Chris, I'd love to answer your question!

As I said above, any random left-field pick we didn't see coming would shock me. If Nick Drake or, say, The Cars, popped up on the upcoming nominations list, I would be more than surprised. I'm sure each of us who follow the committee's activity would be freaked out! It seems like we all know the committee can be predictable and at times, unpredictable, which can be fun but at the same time, not fair to real fans of certain acts.

I remember nearly 2 years ago I was hella surprised when Heart showed up on the list (and eventually got inducted) and last year with the Marvelettes. Seemingly everyone forgot about KISS and if they were to show up on the list again this year that would surprise me.

While I'm at it, I'll be more than surprised if the Moody Blues, Jethro Tull and Huey Piano Smith and the Clowns make it this year.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 09/18/2013 @ 20:25pm

Jason,

When Heart was first nominated in 2011 for the 2012 induction list, I must admit that I was slightly surprised. However, when they were renominated in 2012 for the 2013 induction, I was not surprised. It did however signal to me that the way that things were being done, regarding nominations, was about to change. Therefore, I was definitely not surprised by either Rush, or Donna Summer being inducted in 2013. Although Rush had a long history of being disrespected by various critics, there was still the blue book. In case you are wondering, the blue book that I am referring to was the "New Rolling Stone Record Guide," published in 1983. The way that I see it, Rolling Stone had covered themselves for the possibility of Rush's future induction by awarding Rush 5 4-star albums. John Swenson, the co-editor had written that review, which was in sharp contrast to Alan Niester's review in the orange book, and Jann Wenner had probably signed off on it.

Knowing this information, I had started creating my "art rock" website back in 1997. Back in those days, PROG was still a relatively dirty word, but things were starting to change. The Allmusic Guide heralded the start of that change, the musicians had spoken and Rush was finally getting great reviews.

Within slightly more than a decade afterwards, "Classic Rock Presents PROG" had become a reality, Jerry Lucky had written "The Progressive Rock Files" and several others books on Progressive Rock were starting to come out. In 2010, the Rush documentary "Beyond The Lighted Stage" was released and Rush had received a star on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame.

The way that I saw it, two of my favorite groups from the early 1980's (Rush and Heart) were finally getting their well deserved respect. I had therefore reasoned that if Rush and Heart were to be inducted the same year, then the way that the Hall had been doing things was about to change.

Using those guidelines, I had come up with my present list of nominees.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 09/19/2013 @ 04:16am

Regarding the "orange book," aka "The Rolling Stone Record Guide" from 1979, Yes had fared quite well in this guide. They had been awarded two 5- five star albums for "The Yes Album" and "Close To The Edge," if memory serves. If the Hall nominating committee is using the orange book as a guide, then Yes stands a good chance of being nominated, if not inducted within the very near future.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 09/19/2013 @ 09:59am

it should shape up to be a interesting nomination list for 2014 and its only a couple weeks away

Posted by chris on Thursday, 09/19/2013 @ 11:37am

They'd be using the 2004 version, if any.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 09/19/2013 @ 17:47pm

any leaks yet for the 2014 nominees?

Posted by chris on Friday, 09/20/2013 @ 12:15pm

The Nominating Committee hasn't met yet to determine the ballot.

Posted by FRL on Friday, 09/20/2013 @ 12:40pm

When did they meet last year? Didn't Toure or somebody Tweet about the meeting?

Posted by Casper on Friday, 09/20/2013 @ 15:13pm

GFW,

Perhaps Rolling Stone Magazine will publish a 2014 music guide next year? It would be an appropriate opportunity for them to revise their ratings on a variety of artists and perhaps fix their omissions from the previous editions. It would also mark the 35th anniversary since their first Record Guide came out.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/21/2013 @ 10:23am

My thinking (perhaps wishfull) is a ballot looking something like this:

Nirvana
Deep Purple
NWA
Yes
Linda Rondstat
Kraftwerk
The Monkees
Duran Duran
Bon Jovi
Chic
The Spinners
Chicago
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
The Marvelettes
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Out of those I think these artists would get in assuming they induct six:

Nirvana (Duh)
Deep Purple (About Time)
Chic (Nile Rodgers has been quite visible this past year)
NWA (near lock)
Linda Rondstat (seems to have a lot of momentum)
The Monkees (Oldies selection that should have happened while Davy Jones was still alive)

If they induct seven:
Chicago (a personal favorite of mine)

Plus I'd like to see some more backing groups get in like The Silver Bullet Band, The E Street Band, The Wailers and The Funk Brothers

Posted by Tom H on Saturday, 09/21/2013 @ 19:09pm

October will be here soon!

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 09/22/2013 @ 08:23am

Tom H, you have a great list also.

I like Roy's dream ballot a lot also. Kudos to choosing many great acts also, joeamherst.

Once again, here is my list:

Once again, here is my list:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Carly Simon
4. Jeff Lynne and/or Electric Light Orchestra
5. Foreigner
6. The Doobie Brothers
7. Stevie Ray Vaughan
8. Nirvana
9. Sade
10. Yes
11. Deep Purple
12. Ice-T
13. Blue Oyster Cult
14. Judas Priest
15. Chic
16. Kraftwerk
17. The Spinners
18. The Marvelettes

Accordingly,

My 2015 nominees would be:

1. Roxy Music
2. Procol Harum
3. Carole King
4. Chicago
5. Hall & Oates
6. Green Day
7. Queen Latifah
8. Jethro Tull
9. Bad Company
10. Garth Brooks
11. Phish
12. Twisted Sister
13. Lemmy and/or Motorhead
14. Pat Benatar
15. The Cars
16. Peter Gabriel
17. Brian Eno
18. Sting

I would add Peter Gabriel to my 2015 list of nominees also, by the way.

In a perfect world, my lists would be slightly different, of course:
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 14:13pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/22/2013 @ 16:04pm

Concerning The Zombies, Colin Bluntstone and Rod Argent did a gig recently where Paul Shaffer showed up along with Hall inductees Ronnie Spector (The Ronettes), Art Garfunkel and Gene Cornish (The Rascals).

Certainly could bode well for their chance of being nominated/inducted soon.

http://rockwrite.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-zombies-release-first-ever-music.html?spref=tw

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 09/22/2013 @ 19:09pm

Oh what the heck, why not look at 2016, also?

1. Depeche Mode
2. Supertramp
3. Stevie Nicks
4. The Zombies
5. Jim Croce (posthumously)
6. Pearl Jam
7. Linda Ronstadt
8. King Crimson
9. Thin Lizzy
10. Shania Twain
11. Jefferson Starship
12. Def Leppard
13. Styx
14. Journey
15. The Monkees
16. Phil Collins
17. Todd Rundgren
18. The Commodores

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/22/2013 @ 20:05pm

THE 2014 HOLLYWOOD WALK OF FAME INDUCTEES ANNOUNCED

Holland-Dozier-Holland
Jeff Lynne
Mana
Ray Parker Jr.
Katy Perry
Rick Springfield
Tupac Shakur

Motion Pictures: Orlando Bloom, Ray Dolby, Sally Field, Jack H. Harris, Jessica Lange, Matthew McConaughey, Liam Neeson, Paul Mazursky, and Tom Sherak

Television: Dabney Coleman, Kaley Cuoco, Claire Danes, Giancarlo Esposito, Deidre Hall, Cheryl Hines, Don Mischer , Tavis Smiley and Phil Hartman (posthumous)

Radio: Renan Almendarez Coello (El Cucuy)

Posted by Roy on Monday, 09/23/2013 @ 10:11am

well they said they will meet this week to determine the ballot so by the end of the week maybe the full list comes out we hope

Posted by chris on Monday, 09/23/2013 @ 11:55am

Highly doubtful. Remember, they need to time once they decide the ballot to do the write-ups for their press release: what will be announced live and what will be up on the website. Plus, they need to print out the ballots and mail them out. Presumably, they'll do all this before they even announce the nominees. It'll take at least another two weeks, best guess estimate. It won't kill us to wait for them to do the physically laborious part of the job first.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 09/23/2013 @ 12:38pm

Shame it took Phil Hartman that long to get a star. One of the all-time SNL greats.

Glad to see Jeff get one.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 09/23/2013 @ 15:18pm

I remember 3 years ago yesterday (9/22) that the HOF nominees were announced that day. Reason I remember is, it was my birthday.

Point I'm trying to make is: Is it just me, or are they keep trying to push back the HOF nominations just to tease us in a way?

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Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09/24/2013 @ 11:33am

i highly doubt that, i think it will be announced by the end of this week or possibly on monday september 30th or october 1st, they can't possibly hold it off for that long so i believe it will be announced then

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 09/24/2013 @ 12:07pm

Just a general question. What does everyone think of the Scorpions' chances? If we mention Def Leppard, you can't leave out the Scorps. They never seem to get any love,and they have more than withstood the test of time.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 09/24/2013 @ 17:51pm

K-Dawg, I can't see the Scorpions ever getting in till after Styx, Cheap Trick, Jan & Dean, War, Doobie Brothers, The Cars, ELO, Def Leppard, Chicago, Bad Company, Jane's Addiction, B-52s, etc. etc.

IMO, they have about 4 really good songs (that have stood test of time). After that, sorta meh (IMO).

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 09/25/2013 @ 09:05am

In response to K-Dawg, I have to agree with Paul in KY that Scorpions' chances aren't too good at the moment.

The Hall, already at this point, has done a pretty poor job in representing the 1980's in just about all genres. Thus far, rap is about the only genre I've say that they've done a decent job with (3 rap inductees in a 4 year period is pretty solid). They've yet to induct an 80's hair metal band (unless you count 70's bands that pioneered or influenced that style like Aerosmith, Queen, and Van Halen), they've only inducted one thrash or real heavy metal band (Metallica), they've only inducted about two 80's alt-rock bands (REM and RHCP) and they haven't inducted really a single synth-pop/electronic or new wave group (they've inducted 70's pioneers of the style like Talking Heads, Blondie, Elvis Costello, etc.)

Even when it comes to the major, iconic pop stars of the 80's, they still haven't gotten around to Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins, George Michael, Janet Jackson, and Whitney Houston.

Heck, the Hall is just now starting to come around to more of the populist- classic rock-oriented bands of the 1970's, let alone the 80's.

Now that Rush has gotten in, I don't see many hard rock bands of the "classic rock" era getting in until the likes of Deep Purple, KISS, and maybe Cheap Trick get in, when it comes to the 80's.

Also, Scorpions are not on the list of "Previously Considered" Acts. Meanwhile 80's hard rock bands Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, and Iron Maiden have been, so even when it comes the 1980's they'll go for others before Scorpions.

Do I think they should be in there? I don't really consider them a major snub per se, but if they were to get inducted, I wouldn't complain really. A lot of people forget that the Scorpions were one of the biggest 80's hard rock/metal bands. They were on MTV just as much as your Motley Crue's, Def Leppard's, and Bon Jovi's were. I wouldn't really put them in for innovation and influence, because they weren't doing anything original and I don't think their style really influenced a lot of people. But I do think that if the Hall wanted to give a good portrait of 1980's hard rock, I think the Scorpions are definitely a candidate worthy of representing that era in the Hall.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 09/25/2013 @ 09:37am

We're waiting, HOF committee...

Posted by JR on Wednesday, 09/25/2013 @ 10:37am

Donnie, nice Rockhall/80's analysis.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 09/25/2013 @ 10:57am

yep, still waiting for the list to come out

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 09/25/2013 @ 12:02pm

My thinking (perhaps wishfull) is a ballot looking something like this:

Nirvana
Deep Purple
NWA
Yes
Linda Rondstat
Kraftwerk
The Monkees
Duran Duran
Bon Jovi
Chic
The Spinners
Chicago
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
The Marvelettes
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Out of those I think these artists would get in assuming they induct six:

Nirvana (Duh)
Deep Purple (About Time)
Chic (Nile Rodgers has been quite visible this past year)
NWA (near lock)
Linda Rondstat (seems to have a lot of momentum)
The Monkees (Oldies selection that should have happened while Davy Jones was still alive)


Wanted to eexpand on my earlier post concerning what I think the ballot will look like: As a huge fan of Prog Rock It pained me to not predict any going in this year (God I hope I'm wrong). My thinking with the ballot was to Include a little bit of everything to make it as all inclusive as possible. You have Nirvana representing the 90's (come on we all know they're getting in), N.W.A for rap/hip hop (plus 80's), Deep Purple (70's Rock/Hard Rock/Metal), Chic (70's Funk/R&B), Linda Rondstat (70's Pop/ Singer-Songwriter) and The Monkees (60's). This would also alleviate some of the logjam involving acts that have waited a long time.

With that it mind my ballot for 2015 would be as follows:

Yes
Krafwerk
The Spinners
Chicago
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
The Marvelettes
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Duran Duran
Bon Jovi
Green Day
Peter Gabriel
the Doobie Brothers
Carole King
Procol Harum
Soundgarden

The inductees would be:
Yes (Prog gets some love)
Green Day (Whether you like them or not they're probably going in quickly to have a big name)
Chicago (70's Rock)
Duran Duran (80's)
Kraftwerk (if nothing else rediculously influential)
The Spinners (70's R&B)

Posted by Tom H on Wednesday, 09/25/2013 @ 12:11pm

Before the Nominating Committee announces whom they have selected as performing finalists for the Rock and Roll hall of Fame Class of 2014; here is whom i infer will be inducted at least as performers.

Peter Gabriel
Chic
Eurythmics
Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
Nirvana
N.W.A.
Deep Purple

Waiting to see if the NomCom proves me wrong yet again,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Wednesday, 09/25/2013 @ 17:36pm

Interesting, it appears Hall & Oates could be a dark horse contender to be nominated this year.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 09/26/2013 @ 11:19am

yeah, since questlove is supporting them and all, could be a chance that hall and oates end ups on the 2014 ballot possibly

Posted by chris on Thursday, 09/26/2013 @ 11:49am

Nirvana
Deep Purple
Lou Rawls
The Marvelettes
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Belmonts
Jim Croce
Devo
Dick Dale
Chic

Posted by Lucario on Thursday, 09/26/2013 @ 14:27pm

the nomination commitee is meeting today to discuss the nominations so it looks like the full list will be announced either monday or tuesday of next week

Posted by chris on Friday, 09/27/2013 @ 12:05pm

Where did you read they were meeting today? Is it in the Trakin article?

Posted by Roy on Friday, 09/27/2013 @ 15:02pm

Yes, Roy Trakin said the meeting is today.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 09/27/2013 @ 15:07pm

This is my final predictions before the announcement:

Nirvana
Chic
N.W.A.
Deep Purple
Linda Ronstadt
The Spinners
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Yes
Procol Harum
Kraftwerk
Hall & Oates
De La Soul
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Gram Parsons
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 09/27/2013 @ 15:45pm

So we'll get the nominations announcement on either the 30th or the 1st? Hmm...

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CLICK ON THE LINK ABOVE TO VOTE FOR THE 10 ACTS YOU WANT INDUCTED INTO AMERICA'S POP MUSIC HALL OF FAME IN 2014

THE NOMINEES

The Bee Gees
Tony Bennett
Pat Boone
The Carpenters
Chicago
Dion
The Everly Brothers
The Four Seasons
Connie Francis
Buddy Holly
Elton John
Carole King
Dean Martin
The Monkees
Ricky Nelson
Roy Orbison
Patti Page
Gene Pitney
The Platters
Simon & Garfunkel
Smokey & Miracles
The Supremes
Three Dog Night
Dionne Warwick
Andy Williams

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 09/28/2013 @ 10:52am

Okay why not one more time for good measure

Kudos to Tom H. and The Claw for great lists, also:

Tom H, you have a great list also.

I like Roy's dream ballot a lot also. Kudos to choosing many great acts also, joeamherst.

Once again, here is my list:

Once again, here is my list:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Carly Simon
4. Jeff Lynne and/or Electric Light Orchestra
5. Foreigner
6. The Doobie Brothers
7. Stevie Ray Vaughan
8. Nirvana
9. Sade
10. Yes
11. Deep Purple
12. Ice-T
13. Blue Oyster Cult
14. Judas Priest
15. Chic
16. Kraftwerk
17. The Spinners
18. The Marvelettes

Accordingly,

My 2015 nominees would be:

1. Roxy Music
2. Procol Harum
3. Carole King
4. Chicago
5. Hall & Oates
6. Green Day
7. Queen Latifah
8. Jethro Tull
9. Bad Company
10. Garth Brooks
11. Phish
12. Twisted Sister
13. Lemmy and/or Motorhead
14. Pat Benatar
15. The Cars
16. Peter Gabriel
17. Brian Eno
18. Sting

I would add Peter Gabriel to my 2015 list of nominees also, by the way.

In a perfect world, my lists would be slightly different, of course:
Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 14:13pm
Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09.22.13 @ 16:04pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/28/2013 @ 13:30pm

My serious wish list, I know that just about all of these will pretty much never be nominated or inducted, ever, at least in my lifetime...

1 Electric Light Orchestra
2 Phil Collins
3 The Alan Parsons Project
4 The Doobie Brothers
5 Chicago
6 Three Dog Night
7 Foreigner
8 Journey
9 Bachman-Turner Overdrive
10 The J. Geils Band
11 The Cars
12 The Spinners
13 Blood, Sweat & Tears
14 Joe South
15 T. Rex

16 Olivia Newton-John
17 The Pointer Sisters
18 Fanny
19 Don Covay & the Goodtimers
20 The Marvelettes

Novelty/oddball/wildcards/longshots

21 Buckner & Garcia
22 "Weird Al" Yankovic

Non-Performers

Bernie Taupin
Bill Bottrell
Casey Kasem
Giorgio Moroder
Hipgnosis
Hugh Padgham
Ira Robbins
James William Guercio
John Farrar
John "Kosh"
Paul Williams (ASCAP)
Reinhold "Mack"
Richard Perry
Ted Templeman
Thom Bell
Don Arden
Phil Ramone
Richard Avedon

Early Influences

Andy Williams
Cab Calloway
Irving Berlin
Lena Horne
The Four Aces

Side-Men

SuMagNa (Susan Collins, Marge Raymond & Nancy O'Neill)
Daryl Stuermer
Leland Sklar
Jim Keltner
Jim Horn
Chester Thompson
Ellie Greenwich
Billy Preston
Bob Babbitt

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 09/28/2013 @ 13:50pm

Once more, let's look at 2016, shall we?

Oh what the heck, why not look at 2016, also?

1. Depeche Mode
2. Supertramp
3. Stevie Nicks
4. The Zombies
5. Jim Croce (posthumously)
6. Pearl Jam
7. Linda Ronstadt
8. King Crimson
9. Thin Lizzy
10. Shania Twain
11. Jefferson Starship
12. Def Leppard
13. Styx
14. Journey
15. The Monkees
16. Phil Collins
17. Todd Rundgren
18. The Commodores

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09.22.13 @ 20:05pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/28/2013 @ 14:49pm

That Survey Monkey poll has artists already in (The Bee Gees, Dion, etc).

Posted by Lucario on Sunday, 09/29/2013 @ 13:36pm

The survey monkey poll is not about the Rock Hall.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 09/29/2013 @ 14:41pm

Any word on when they will announce the nominees? Any notable leaks?

Posted by dezmond on Monday, 09/30/2013 @ 12:54pm

Artists I would like to see in the Rock Hall in the next few years:

The Marvelettes
The Shangri-Las
The Zombies
Bobby Womack
War
The Monkees
Tommy James & the Shondells
Deep Purple
Yes
Carole King
Sade
Hall & Oates
Mary J Blige
The O'Jays
The Cure
Duran Duran
Nirvana

Posted by Chris on Monday, 09/30/2013 @ 13:08pm

womack and ojays are already in!!!!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 09/30/2013 @ 13:49pm

Here are my picks for the 2014 Hall of Fame:

Nirvana- need I say more?

Yes- "Roundabout" and "Yours is No Disgrace" are thier best songs in my opinion.

Paul Butterfield Blues Band- It's sad that Jann Wenner hates like this group because they are a great bluesly rock band.

Journey- An arena rock band that has been ignored long enough by The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominating committee.

De La Soul- One rap group that sounds much more relaxed then N.W.A. or Pubic Enemy.

Cab Calloway- A flamboyant swing bandleader and a gifted scat singer. He would be perfect for be the Early Influence.

Ella Fitzgerald- A unique vocalist mixing scat and jazz. Another candidate for Early Influence.

The Pixies- Alternative rock icons who mixed classical pop influences with roaring guitars.

Linda Ronstadt- The best interpreter among the 70s singer/songwriters.

Albert Collins- Early Influence candidate.

Steppenwolf- How could the Hall of Fame forget about one of the fathers of heavy metal?

Deep Purple would a nice group to get in this year too

So Zach, what do you think about my list of nominees?

Even through we share a lot in common with our tastes in music, there is other styles of music that I really like such as folk and roots rock that you don’t care for, but as you always say, music is like ice cream because it has different flavors and not everyone has to like it.

Out of all the people that I’ve met on Future Rock Legends, you were the first one to open up to me when I started posting comments on Little Richard, Sam Cooke, Ray Charles and Jerry Lee Lewis and you stood by me when Lax30 gave me all that crap about my list. You have been a wonderful friend to me and I'm truly blessed to have you in my musical life. Long live 50s rock and roll!


Lastly, I still havn't seen "Ray", but I intend to see it soon. Two other rock and roll films that I want to see are "The Buddy Holly Story" and "La Bomba."

Posted by Andrew on Tuesday, 09.3.13 @ 02:54am

Hey Andrew! Sorry it took a while to respond to your comments. I did have a chance to read over your predictions and here are my thoughts:

Nirvana: Not a fan of theirs or the changes they ushered in, but I can't deny their influence and place in the Hall. They're the closest thing to a Lock for the upcoming induction year.

Paul Butterfield Blues Band - Where did Jann Wenner criticize them? I must admit that I'm a complete novice when it comes to the PBBB, so I'll have to pass on evaluating their chances for the Hall.

Journey - Not a fan of theirs, but out of all the '70s/'80s arena rock bands, they have the strongest credentials. A connection to Santana, enduring popularity/cultural impact, and they're far more acclaimed than contemporaries like Loverboy (who I do like, but don't consider HOF-worthy) and REO Speedwagon.

De La Soul - I too prefer them to Public Enemy and NWA, but haven't heard enough of their music to properly evaluate their case for the HOF.

Cab Calloway - God yes! Influenced everyone from Louis Jordan and Dizzy Gillespie to Little Richard and Michael Jackson.

Ella Fitzgerald - Ditto here. Very significant to jazz, traditional pop, and music as a whole.

The Pixies - Not a fan of theirs, and there are more important alternative bands ahead of them (The Cure, New Order, Joy Division, The Smiths, etc.) waiting to be inducted

Linda Ronstadt - With all due respect to Linda for the recent announcement of her having contracted Parkinson's Disease, I just don't see her as HOF material. She really didn't do enough to distinguish herself from the sea of '70s singer-songwriters. Her stab at jazz singing in the 1980s was laughable, as Will Friedwald noted.

Albert Collins - Absolutely. A seminal figure in the Texas blues scene.

Steppenwolf - They would make a great '60s candidate. As a pioneering hard rock/heavy metal group, they have a place in the Hall.

Deep Purple - Not a fan of theirs, but it's impossible to deny their place in heavy metal and hard rock. Should have gone in a long time ago.

So overall, I agree with most of your picks. I invite you to check out my personal choices and share your feelings.

I'm aware that we disagree on a few matters pertaining to music, but I won't let the occasional disagreement turn me against you. We share too much in common to allow petty dissensions tear us apart.

It's always an extreme pleasure to discuss music with you. You're a well-informed, friendly, and pleasant person to talk with and have great respect for the legends as I do. I'm sorry that you had regrettable encounters with Lax30. I too have clashed with some posters on this site (who shall remain nameless, as I don't want to give them any importance or dignity by naming them). However, I count you as one of my favorites here, along with Cheesecrop, Philip, Bill G, and Tahvo Parvianen (I wish he'd come back).

I hope to talk again with you soon, Andrew.

Posted by Zach on Monday, 09/30/2013 @ 20:50pm

Zach, thank you for that wonderful comment. I just wanted to say that I started working at a record store today. I'll keep you informed about it as the month goes on. I got introducted to Cab Calloway through watching the 1980 film "The Blues Brothers.

Lastly, here are some of my favorite films:

School of Rock
Monty Python & The Holy Grail
All the Star Wars films
All the Lord of The Rings films
The Hobbit
The Blues Brothers
Back To The Future
Planes, Trains, & Automobiles
Monty Python's The Meaning of Life
Animal House
All The Jurassic Park films
The Outsiders
Top Gun
Saving Private Ryan
Monty Python's Life of Brian
All the Indiana Jones films
Glory
Baveheart
Aladdin
Lincoln
The Last Samurai
Kingdom of Heaven
The Lion King
Young Frankenstein
History of The World Part 1

Posted by Andrew on Monday, 09/30/2013 @ 22:38pm

October has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10/1/2013 @ 05:04am

yes, and still no word on the 2014 nominees or any leaks to it whatsoever, i would have to think it would be this week, i don't know why they have to drag this any longer that it is but then again i am not part of the commitee

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 10/1/2013 @ 11:55am

"yes, and still no word on the 2014 nominees or any leaks to it whatsoever, i would have to think it would be this week, i don't know why they have to drag this any longer that it is but then again i am not part of the commitee"--chris

"Highly doubtful. Remember, they need to time once they decide the ballot to do the write-ups for their press release: what will be announced live and what will be up on the website. Plus, they need to print out the ballots and mail them out. Presumably, they'll do all this before they even announce the nominees. It'll take at least another two weeks, best guess estimate. It won't kill us to wait for them to do the physically laborious part of the job first."--me, several posts ago

Additionally, I would like to point out that I have to roll my eyes when I see people write "How can they keep us waiting?!" as if we're somehow entitled or if the Foundation is beholden to us. They owe us nothing. Seriously, what are we gonna do about it? Many music stars spew banal banter about "owing it to their fans" when they don't really mean it. If they believed that, Axl and Slash would reconcile, David Lee and Sammy would tag team on an ultimate Nirvana tour, Elvis would've gotten off drugs and fired Parker (though it may be that Parker had been blackmailing the King), the Beatles would have never broken up, etc. At the very least, you have to at least respect the fact that the Hall makes no qualms about saying it owes John Q. Rockfan jackshit. I've got ants in my pants about the pending news too, but I also doubt they're dragging this out any longer than it needs to either. I'm not defending the Hall overall, or even sucking up. Just sayin' like I'm seein'.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10/1/2013 @ 15:06pm

*Van Halen, not Nirvana tour. That's how much Nirvana's a shoo-in folks! David Lee and Sammy will join the surviving members for a tour! lol

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10/1/2013 @ 15:12pm

*Van Halen, not Nirvana tour. That's how much Nirvana's a shoo-in folks! David Lee and Sammy will join the surviving members for a tour! lol

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10.1.13 @ 15:12pm
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Kinda diggin' that!

What would you call that... "Van-Vana?" "Nir-Halen"?

"Nir-Van-Halen-a"?

As that famous philosopher, Kelly Bundy, may have said: "The Mind Wobbles..."

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 10/1/2013 @ 15:43pm

Van-vana quite frankly sounds like the place a really creepy guy asks children to get into before they disappear for good. No good Cheese. I however think "Nirvalen" would totally work.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10/1/2013 @ 15:47pm

Roy Trakin nominated Roxy Music, Hall & Oates and Nirvana. Robert Hilburn tweeted a response to me saying he won't announce his three nominees until the final list is announced by the Rock Hall, but he also said Nirvana was one.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10/2/2013 @ 08:49am

i give till the end of this week in which they will announce the nominations for 2014

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 10/2/2013 @ 12:06pm

the nominations for 2013 were announced last year around this same time, i believe it was october 4th, so i would have to think it would be this week in which they will announce it

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 10/2/2013 @ 12:57pm

Here is a theory I have that may or may not explained the hold-up inannouncing the Finalists for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame class of 2014. Obviously this would involved likely inductees.

I would tend to think that the Nominating Commitee or certain friends, family, colleagues, or followers of the likely inductees want to make the announcement at an event more grander than a mere press conference. Perhaps a concert or an interview would suffice. Here is how a scenario of this magnitude could play out with whom I believe to be a virtual lock for induction.

Peter Gabriel is currently on the European Tour leg of his Back To Front tour; a success in North America in 2012 and likely a success for 3013 as well. Gabriel is soon to have the tour be taken to his home nationality in the United Kingdom; London to be precise. There are 2 shows at the O2 Arena in the weeks ahead. Perhaps during one of these shows, an unannounced guest or more show up. Optimally, it would one of Peter Gabriel's bandmates from Gabriel's years with Genesis. They come onstage and announce, if not directly to Gabriel than to the audience, that Peter Gabriel is on his way to being inducted into the RRHOF this time on his own. Maybe even top it off with Peter Gabriel and/or his Genesis bandmates perfroming a song from that era. That would be a big freaking deal for a lot of us followers, since Gabriel has not performed any Genesis material live in 31 years.

Now, the same method could be applied to other bands. For instance, I could see Krist Novoselic coming onstage during a Foo Fighters concert to inform Dave Grohl that their former band, Nirvana, is on track to being inducted. Dr. Dre meets up in some form or another with the rest of the living members of N.W.A. to announce their pending induction. I am sure fellow posters can think of other ways these announcements could occur. Once again, here is whom I infer will be inducted as Performers for 2014. Notice I put in the inductees, as I am even not sure who will fill out the finalists ballot.


Peter Gabriel
Nirvana
N.W.A.
Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
Chic
Eurythmics
Deep Purple

I will say that I would be satisfied to see at least finalist recognition for Roxy Music, alongside Daryl Hall and John Oates. Honestly, so long as the NomCom became influenced by our crown jewel, The Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project; then the actual Rock Hall is on a path to important relevancy from us meer fans and listeners and viewers.

If it is October, why does it feel like Octaugust,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Wednesday, 10/2/2013 @ 22:00pm